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Yes, they've shown this last episode of twenty twenty three for the geek
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Pubs has led us he's gonna be he's working on a AI best of episodes,
so he's taking all our chat GPTs and putting him into one he's putting
on YouTube. And then he said we can all spoke them the feed.
So yeah, we're gonna do that because I swear next year I'm gonna try
and get back to the bloopers. I'm like, if I can do bloopers
next year when I have time, it's just with the movie editing. It's
gonna be like a best of the last three years, I have the time
codes for some I just got to really go back. It just got harder
when we started to do way more episodes. You know, when it was
like the one to two week that was easy for me. But there's just
there's just too much. So one time it's gonna happen, but I suppose
we'll be dropping that. So a big thank you to him. And he's
I've said, he's gonna he's gonna pick a movie for us to retro because
it's his free time. People might think he's a paid intern. He's not.
He's definitely an unpaid not intern. But he has this. He's not
getting anything. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He's still putting it on his
resume though when he applies. Absolutely that's fine. Good. Yeah, I'll
give him a good Yeah, put my phone number on there and call me
and a reference there you go. You hear that you got four You can
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stream job as this boss is going offful I hate like eat first, but
yes, we are here for what If Season two. We also we'd cover
it before, but sneaking in here in the later half, literally the last
week of the year. They did their dropped every episode from the twenty second
to the thirtieth, so we have the last episode. So we will do
an overall just what we thought of the season first, and then we will
take a break, we'll get to spoils and we'll go episode by episode.
I don't think you're gonna get like an analog breakdown for much. It's I
think it's gonna be similar to the probably the X Men animated series retro clone
Wars like that. I'm gonna have the Wikipedia page up, we'll go over
it, and we are gonna rank them at the end individually. And I'm
going to reveal the results of the MCU draft because what If was the last
one to wait, so and it's all fresh because Kirkland's points all got suspended,
so it's up for grabs. But let's start to delmost. What did
you think of what If? Season two? Overall? Yeah, I guess
you know. First what If? In general, Like I think I was
not lower, not low on the first season, but I think I'm lower
than most other people. It just didn't appeal to me quite as much,
partly as I don't really care much for the art style here, and you
know, it's the same thing here. I don't I don't really love what
they're doing with it. It's a little uh bland for me. Obviously there's
some moments that that look really great, but yeah, going going through this,
it uh, you know, it started on a low note for me.
The first episode to me is like complete trash, but then the rest
of it I thought was all very enjoyable. Uh and like honestly, when
you know, it's not to spoil my ranking, but it's like it's honestly,
like all just a big mess in the middle. Like I don't even
really feel that strongly about of certain ones over other ones, Like they're all
just very consistent in quality for me, except for that that first one.
So yeah, I thought there was some really fun stuff going on here.
But I think maybe another a negative point for me would be like the ending
was a bit weak and it's kind of tying a bunch of things together.
And I was a little lower on that one too, so a very weak
start in finished, but then everything else in limital was it was very solid
and very fun and surprisingly fun because you know, we talked about when we
got the episode titles and whatnot a couple months ago on a newscast and all
of us were kind of like, eh, there's a couple of ideas and
there that seemed fun, but for most parts maybe a little underwhelming. And
I think some of these ended up being more fun than I give them credit
for originally. So yeah, I had a good time watching through these in
the last couple of days. Here nice mister Batzer. Uh yeah, I
think across the board this is This is definitely just a step up from season
one for me, and I really love that season one, so I'm just
loving what they're doing with these what ifs. They just again like sticking to
what their formula is, just throwing characters that we know and love and into
different situations and just interacting with different characters that maybe they didn't get to interact
with on the main screen. It's just so fun. It's just I don't
know, this show is. I hope they just keep pumping this out like
forever. I feel like they could have endless ideas for the mix ups and
storylines what they want to do. Hands up in the air. Yeah,
well, we're not gonna cover it. But they dropped the first clip of
season three and they said coming soon. So it's not a confirm at it
this year, but they already dropped it with a clip of right, I
guess it's a Red Guardian Bucky episode, So I think that we might there's
a chance we might get it, especially because next year's a bit later on
content, so they might they might drop it. So you might be getting
more sooner than you thought, mister Patson. That's exciting news. I'm I'm
just really happy now. So yeah, I think across the board, I
like, I really had a great time with this season. It's it's kind
of hard for me to, uh to do like the rankings because I feel
like there's some that are really low on my list, but I'm like,
they're not even bad episodes, Like I feel like, I don't know,
if I compare them to some Season one episodes, like it would be like
right at the top. So really, I feel like just across the board,
it was it was great quality, and yeah, I really like what
they did. Kind of what you're mentioning, Dylan. When we first got
like the list of names, it seemed underwhelming, but they sure did a
good job with Yeah, with what they're they're doing here. I I actually
thought that, uh, the second last episodisode was the finale, Like,
I thought that it was all it was all out when I was watching it,
and then I'm like, man, what a weird way to end this
season. The two be continued supremest. I got talked into the fuck to
Peggy, So I am. I'm very happy that we did get a conclusion,
but uh, yeah, I'm excited to break it down. Yeah toa
that sounds like you were pretty similar to Kirklea when you just watched it all
in row. Hey, it wasn't a day by day thing. It was
a three hour venture. I I downloaded because like the first I think I
left after the first two episodes were out, and so I pre downloaded them.
I thought, I'll watch them on the plane. That's not happening when
you have a little kid, You're you're occupying to other things. I thought,
I'm gonna watch what if I'm gonna watch finish off Moon Easy? Did
you ever? I'm still finishing it. Check Fagber's review in twenty twenty four.
Yeah but yeah no, I I uh like we discussed with the titles
and the brief like synopsis for the episodes leading in to getting these episodes.
The titles are one thing, but actually, when you watch these episodes and
they throw in so many cool little extra things like cameos and just twists with
the story, seeing it is so much more exciting than reading what those titles
were. And so I'm very thankful for that, and a lot of these
episodes were really exciting what I thought was maybe not as hyped when I read
certain titles. I'm just getting to see, like, oh, this is
happening, and they have this thrown in there with a little extra of this,
It's well, this is fantastic. I love how crazy they're going with
some of these stories, and it really just amped it up for me.
While there's definitely some things in that first season that I really really love,
there's some things here that caught me off guard, really really got my excitement
up and really really make me want to have more. What if I hope
that they keep doing these crazy mashups. I don't know if you heard,
but I know, I'm so happy right now. They said coming soon and
I don't know, I mean this year or not. But I had to
repeat it because I know sometimes Taylor might to so he might he might have
missed that. I did watch what you watched the clip. I did watch
that. Yeah, it's a long clips, like three minutes of like Bucky,
which I was kind of surprised. Yeah, yeah, it's all their
next year's mini episodes. It's just four minutes. Yeah, yeah, they're
they're tying of that. I was surprised as they're getting Bucky and Red Guardian
Thunderbolts. I thought they were gonna kind of wait to do the interaction,
but no, we're getting it there. So Thunderboltz is canceled. Don't say
that. Yeah that's it too. Yeah and not a good note. Yeah
yeah, yeah it's and that sucks. But it's just kind of like echo
Chamber. I pretty much echo what these guys say. I think my only
difference is like I think I'm happier. I like the ending more than Dylan
and these tudents speak about. So we'll talk about that. But I like
that, And that actually got me jazzed for Secret Wars and just like man,
if we can pull this off in live action, like, we could
have some real fun here, So let's get the Secret Wars. I think
overall it's stronger, so I think that's a good thing. I think last
season there is a couple episodes, like the Peggy Carr episode, where we
like the character, but it's just a repeat of that. I think they
tried to do less of those. There's a few episodes that dip into okay,
we've taken like the Hell episodes, some from some Sheets, some from
Thorn. We've kind of combined them. So there is some episodes that are
all right, but they also provide characters that, like Hella, we haven't
got the scene in a bit, so that was good. So yeah,
I enjoyed it. The style I still like enough. I think some episodes
works better than the others, so I think overall it's better than season one.
But I think I guess my hat take is I still don't think there's
an episode as good as the Doctor Strange episode from last season, though I
still think that's like cream of the Crop. I don't think there's anything that
gets on that of emotional level or a thematic level, So that's why I'd
say, like, if it's like I could only pick one, I'd still
lean to season one because I got that strange episode and he's in here of
course, but and I think he's used greatly. But I don't think anything
gets to that hype. But I think overall there's not as much weakness there
was the other go around. Yeah, I know this is a concept,
that same thing a few episodes tells and go happy home and says Christmas.
I don't know, but then when you get like, Okay, this is
good, I still think that I want them to get even more weirder with
the stuff, you know, like more out there. I do appreciate,
you know, happy says Christmas and they tell a different story, but I
do really want some we still have just never gotten like a easy like what
a fanos won, you know, like very simple ones. I feel like
in MCU can and there is there is some strange choices they make, so
I hope that we kind of get a few more bigger consequence choices by then
they it doesn't matter. It's multiverse stuff, so it's just for fun.
I had a good time, and I'm still unsure how I feel about the
daily release you'd have to ask me in like a non Christmas time, because
I often just forgot about it, and not that it became homework, but
it became like, oh, I have to watch it because of X,
Y and Z and just because whether I was busy before. Luckily I was
sick later on, so the last few episodes I wasn't doing much. Sure,
I was just hanging around, but it just kind of fell to the
wayside. So I'm very curious to see what they do in the future,
if they go back to weekly or daily. I don't know what the pros
and cons were. So it was an odd experience because I'd be watching like
three at a time, and then one, and then two and then three,
so it's like, I don't I guess I'm just saying I don't know
if I enjoyed it, you know, I feel like it was It's almost
more like when we used to do the binge Netflix stuff, Dylan, where
it's like, yeah, you get it all, but at the same time,
it's like it was a lot at the same time, and I think
less starts to stand out. You start to you don't kind of salvate on
things for a little bit. It's just Okay, there to the next episode,
so who knows, but I think having the option to, you know,
like if I if I do have a three hour time limit to just
binge or or whatnot. But yeah, like I watched it in three different
instances where I watch a bunch of episodes and then I waited, and then
I watched bunch of episodes I thought it was done. So then I've finished
the last episode about an hour and a half ago, so I just kind
of gotten those moments of like, I'm really down to just keep watching this,
but I can't because I have to wait another day for at least one
more episode. So it's kind of annoying personally. I didn't love it initially,
and after going through it, yeah, I still don't love it.
There you go, first world MCU problem. So yeah, we will be
right back at this break with spoiler reviews of all nine episodes. So we'll
be right back and we're back. And because I forgot to say it down
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lot of GV favorites which they can find where Taylor, Ladies, gentlemen,
with your connection geek verses, he has our own base. Geek vers Cast
is our Twitter and geek Verse is our Facebook. What if Nebula joined the
Nova Core Nova Prime recruits Nebula, These are not like the X Men ones
where they are very thick. So I will read them, but I might
condense some of it if we don't necessarily need it, because it's just don't
need a full Wikipedia Wikipedia one. Yeah, they're a bit more detailed on
this one. But Nova Records recruits Jabula, Jesus and Nebula to join the
Novacore following run accusation successful coup against Thanos Xander sealed off from the universe to
protect from Roma's forces. Nebla discovers Yondu's body, which has been murdered,
and they investigate. But da it just about stuff there finding the main frame,
blah blah blah. She meets yong Rog you know Jude Law's character from
Captain Marvel, so I'm sure Tay was having a good time there. They
work together, but then he betrays, revealing that him and over Prime are
working together, uh to do some sort of shit with Zandar and Ronan coming
in and then the whole Nover Girl what is it? During the fight,
Neville reveals she's realized that Nova Prime's as signer to death and alter the code
so the Shield would close again. As the Dark asters and enters, Xandar,
killing Ronan, Novah Prime tries to escape but ultimately falls to her death.
The Shield reopens, never prepares defending XANDAR. You got a cast of
characters as a like, I said, uh, you got YELLANDU in there.
You got Howard the Duck, you got Cork, you got Nova Prime,
probably a few others, but yeah, I'll start with you Tail.
What did you feel about getting Jude Law back in there was actually Jude Law?
What if? It's always a continual it's always weird who comes back and
weird who doesn't. But you got Jude Law. What do you think about
this episode? The first episode of the batch? Yeah, I got I
got excited when I saw Jude Law's like name drop at the beginning when they're
like the characters, and that was super cool. But I totally did not
connect the dots that is his character coming back. And sure enough, when
his name dropped, I was like, okay, let's do quick google,
like, oh yeah, this is a Jude lost character. It all makes
sense now. So wait, wait, so you just said Jula in the
credits and you thought he was just popping into like voice of what if character?
I thought he was before number three? Well you never know, I
mean Marvel's double dipping. You know who knows the Mads but talk about another
day. So that that was exciting just to have that that pull pullback of
a character there. But then I thought the most anti climactic ending to to
Ronan. I mean, it's just super very much super shitty. Just these
gates open and then they just closed, and just the one snippet of him
just like h then he I thought he was gonna jump or something, thought
he's gonna do some epic but he just kind of took it like a little
bit like Captain Marvel too. Yeah remember what. Yeah, he came back
and said, oh, we got to get her, and then the Guardians
just kill him, so he never went to go get Like it's it's a
strange. There's some inside joke that they just must not like Ronan, so
they got to make them die or disappear in the most like useless way.
So pretty much, but overall the episode it felt to like a cool,
nitty gritty like cop investigation espionage, I guess kind of vibe just with Nebula
being like dark and like like narrating and just kind of like like trying to
like very nourish, is what, Yeah, yeah, very nourrish. So
the ensemble was a massive surprise. I was not expecting to see, like
Howard, the Duck and Corgan groups just all teamed up there. That was
pretty fun. Got you some points, Taylor, That got me some points.
Yeah, unannounced it appearance, I'm sure after everyone was in the trailer.
He was in the trailers? Was he really? Fuck most? No,
there was not really any unannounced because those trailers were showing off everything.
So season three we'll go for season three then. But yeah, it was
just it was great to see the characters all combined together and just do what
they do. Now. This was not Vin Diesel playing Groot, was it?
Or was it? I don't know because I saw some things like that
he was he was like Vin Diesel didn't play Groot or not. There's a
guy named fred Tatascoro. Did that affect your lovely character performance? All the
characters? Oh, Vin Diesel wasn't doing Groot. That really took me out
of it. Like, I just thought it was very peculiar why they would
like shake him up a little bit. But I don't even know why.
Why wouldn't they just use the same lines, Like why, I don't know
that's true. We need to pay a lot of money to get a guy
into say I'm grouped differently. I think Fred's might be getting a lot more
work in the future. So yeah, but overall, again, like like
I said, it's it's a good episode. I thought it was pretty fun.
Dylan on the opposite entry, because you open up with other than the
first one, you know, I had enjoyable time, So what was going
on with this first one for you? Yeah, it's it's not even that
I can point to any particular thing and say, like all these plot holes
or you know, bad performances. It's just super fucking boring to me.
This is there. There was, there was nothing in here that I cared
for. I'm not a big fan of Jude Law's character from Captain Marvel.
Thought he was a very weak villain, so I wasn't jazz to see him
come back. But like this whole like oh this backstab on her from Nova
Prime and and Jude thoughts like, I don't I don't care about these characters,
so why would I care if they backstabbed her? Like none of this
really matters because of because it's what if too? But yeah, I mean,
like the the the Disney Plus descriptions a lot quicker than the one that
Travis had there. But it was just like, you know, Nebula gets
to display her detective skills and it's like, oh, that sounds like kind
of fun. Then I was like, didn't this didn't really feel like a
detective show. It was just very bland and I don't know the crew of
characters. I think I'm a little sick of Cord at this point, just
generally speaking, I've had enough Chord in my life. And he pops up
again another episode two, so they get a lot of use out of that
pile of rocks as they like to call him. But I think I've had
no Cork. I mean, I don't know what is Howard's doing in this
Probably did someone did. I can pull up after I'll look right now,
but someone had Cork. And then even I don't know, Meek's in here
too, but he doesn't really do anything. I thought it was very funny.
There's like the battle at the end of this episode where the whole crew
of them are facing off against them, and like they all, you know,
have their weapons and whatnot. Meek like whips out his two knives,
but then it's just like a bunch people shooting at each other and Meek never
does anything because he just has knives, so he just like stands there with
his knives up. It's like, what's going on here? This is just
very weird, weirdly choreographed. So yeah, this episode just did nothing for
me. It wasn't funny, it wasn't interesting, it wasn't a fun what
if scenario, it wasn't an interesting uh deep dive on characters that I love.
I love Nebula, but I didn't really feel like she got to do
anything particularly fun here. So yeah, this was a complete dud for me.
If if we write what if episodes individually, like in our MCU wriking,
this might be like rate above Dark World for me, like this is
blow a low incredible Hulk. But yeah, I really could not care less
about this episode. Correctly skipping on a rewatch, no one had cork correction,
so no one got these two with the two points. Yeah, because
there was no what project would you have popped up? And like otherwise well
that would have been like thor Guardian was last year. Yeah, I think
he would have popped up. But I remember at one point and last week
it was rumored that we weren't getting one of this year. So I think
a lot of our what if picks were like, eh, like I don't
want to pick it. Yeah, I mean it's snuck in just in the
just in the nick of time, I guess. So yeah, so I'll
go. Because I'm similar to Delaware, I think I'm more positive on but
not in the sense of like I just don't think I had as much disdain
for it. But I was liking the whole setup of Okay, it is
gonna be like a Detective Blade running a war where she finds you on do
and here we go. But then it just became like an action adventure cop
movie instead of like a you know, the Batman Superhero cop move where it's
like it's Gordon and Batman figuring things out. It's like, no, and
I don't mind y wrong, but like he wasn't acting to me anything like
he acted. That's his name, right, Young Rong. I'm sure it
is, I just I don't I do not remember it, so yeah,
Young Rock. Like for me, he didn't act. He was acting more
like Jude Law than the characters and get because they're showing them all these like
he says something to the locking code and she's like, you don't need to
speak to the guy, just do that for fun. But it's like you
weren't like that, and Captain Marvel like he's trying to be also, and
I like Jude Law, but that's just it's like, okay, that that's
all right. So I didn't mind the combo. I liked because I don't
think we've got nothing in the movies. I loved the idea of putting the
Guardians and the Captain Marvel World together. There's these two space entities that haven't
really interacted. We got Thorign Guardians, so that's cool. So I'd like
to see that more in the future, like the Space world stuff, the
way we talk about oh one day able to do midnight suns and the horror
people be together. I wish the Space people, so I liked that aspect.
I didn't really care about Novacore. Like turnout Novacore was like a footprint
in the MCU Fanos killed them all off screen, so that shows to me
the importance of them, so I don't really invest in them here. So
I was liking the idea of okay, murder mystery who done it? But
then it just wasn't that exciting when it's like, oh, well, oh
everybody has done it except for these few characters. And I do agree that
I think the show sometimes does there. What if is just well, what
if we have this character get this power set and like her getting the yond
do thing. We see that later with Captain Carter, you know, like
it happens, it happens the hell. I think that's something I would like
them to rely on less of the next season. MC scenarios is not just
this character becomes yon due it's like, okay, well you can just like
do that and it doesn't have to be what the episode's about. You could
just have that as your setting. But yeah, but the something was literally
with the head and the whistle, It's like all right, so yeah,
this was like a fine, This was fine for me and you know,
probably for our rank. So I will say I'm bored of corg and but
I'll never get bored of that whistle needle. That's always cool. That was.
If there's any positive for me in this episode, it's seeing that thing
was around. She was very efficient with it as opposed to Sean gunned.
Some time, maybe this will be another cast a swimming strike content, But
Dylan, is that like the one MCU weapon you would have chose, Like,
you know, obviously starts people give me lights there, But if they
come to you and say hey, especially the last episode, there's lots of
weapons. If they say hey, don't you get your pick of the litter.
I mean if I can wield me older and I think that'd be pretty
sweet because I could fly with that, right, So that would be pretty
sweet. But honestly, the whistle, I don't know. I mean,
what am I gonna do? Go go around killing people? Like? I
feel like I would want a weapon that I could actually do something within my
daily life. I'm not gonna just like what else doesn't Yon do? Hold
it and like fly down with it? You can fly. You're a big
rock climber, Dian, so instead of the like instead of I forgot about
that, so I can just not rock climb. I can just no,
if you fall, you pull it out. That's what I'm saying, Like,
oh I fall on the spike and just stab Yeah, I'd have to
think that'd be a fun and butter topics sometimes, Yeah, it's up there,
though, I do love that whistle. I gotta go with the gauntlet.
I can't whistle. I guess that might be my history. Actually,
yeah, I can't whistle that well either I or Thanos Trons. I guess
yeah, yeah, I guess iron Man's because I feel like it had adapts
to all sizes, right where Thanosis was pretty big. I don't. I
think I would just snap inside the glove and nothing would happen the fingers.
When snap, you just be, which we did get a snap this season.
So Kirkland, were you happy to Young Rock back and the rest of
the crew. Young Rock didn't do too much for me, But overall,
I actually really liked this episode. I I agree with you guys points that,
like, I feel like they started us on an interesting journey of like
falling Nebula doing this uh investigation, but it just it was really like shallow
from that point on. They didn't go fully deep into it, which I
think really would have made this episode very special because it had all of like
the feel of that that Blade Runner like detective stuff, and I was digging
that. I feel like Nebula too, for her like deep voice, She's
just such a like it just fits for her to be this like old time
like cop that is willing to go beyond the line, you know, to
do what's right. And I just I don't know. I love Nebula too,
so I like seeing her more on the uh, the the good side
of the moral line. I like how she was kind of, I don't
know, like the one one man army throughout this because Nova was very no
I guess Novacore Nova Prime. Everyone was just very sussed to begin with.
And yeah, I love the design of Xander where they were and her,
Yeah, her just like hovercar that she was going on at the end when
they're on like the big skyscraper type aesthetic. I just really liked the design
of it. I thought it was really beautiful, the way that the shield
opened up and then like they had the sunrise and everything. Uh. And
I actually really did like our ensemble career. I like having Howard the duck
here and under how we're saying corg is overused, like the fact that we
got that new Guardians team at the end of the garden Stree and how a
duck still isn't on it. What are we doing here? Yeah? I
know, what are we doing here? I don't know. I just feel
like it was I personally would never like make all of those characters into one
ensemble. But I'm so glad that I did, because first, I don't
know, they just they just fit well, like Corgan Groot, They're they're
pretty similar actually, just like elemental type creatures. He got a rock version
as well as us as the tree Man, and I don't know, I
feel like Coorg's humor was really working for me too. I can't remember if
it was this episode later on when he was talking about like the rock paper
scissor thing and he's it's just like, yeah, it's my mortal enemy paper.
It's like, man, that's that's a great line there. But uh
yeah, overall, I I really did like this episode, even though it
didn't do anything like Steaks wise major major, I don't know, groundbreaking stuff
like Ronan went out like a little bit as we were talking about earlier,
and I don't know, I just kind of laughed, like when they dismantled
him the way he did, Like why wasn't that just their planet from the
get go? Just open the door and then as he's coming through, just
closed the BA just completely decimate him. He does nothing to stop it or
escape anyway. I was even no reverse or anything, just even the first
few minutes I thrown off. Guard were like that, what was their plan?
Just to lock the planet up? I was like, this is a
bold strategy, you know, like like as long as you have the resources.
But still eventually like you can't you can't wait them, And I guess
that was the idea, but I just like laughed, like, oh,
we're just locking up, okay, cool? And literally Ronan's just right there
waiting for them to open the door that whole time. He's just standing there
with his hammer, just waiting. Wonder if he gets meals delivered to him
or if he has to go and eat, you know, leave his post.
But you think the Supreme Leader Chick would have been okay or like happy,
like oh you killed Ronan? Okay, well yeah, like this is
great. Now we can open the gates and everyone wins. But she just
shees like die with like run in hey they were lovers or something. Shoes
corrupt at that point. And I'm just even surprised too, because like in
the first movie, I'm guessing that gate that went over the planet is the
same thing that they use in Guardians want right to like make a barricade.
I think, right, yeah, I don't know, because that bear cake
got fucking bopped. That's why I was wondering time just of like I'm trying
to think too, because in the Marbles, like a few months ago,
like what was that planet that got like locked off from the sunlight and all
that, It was like a similar kind of concept. That was the difference
between the Novacords and Guardians. And this would have been the was it like
the Focused Stone or the Powerstone? Right, yeah, that would have been
yeah, no focused Stone. So he because that's that was time space,
the reality focus. That was what threw me off because I was trying to
pinpoint at what point Ronan betrays Thanos here and I guess it. I assumed,
like, oh is it after he got the Infinity Stone Banos before?
So he Ronan could have been much more successful if he just waited it.
But it's fitting for Rona and he made a fucking mistake and betrayed him too,
says Agon, for sure, just accusing people. Yeah, that's all
he does. He's got buffed Marl snap though, looking for him, Oh
for him, he needs it. They saw us episode like we gotta from
a bone? Anything else do you want to do? Thumbs for these episodes.
We're doing a couple of thumbs. I can use thumb down for me,
something half for me, do one them up, a whole variety.
What if Peter Quill attacked Earth's mightiest heroes in nineteen eighty eight? The ragers
take Peter Quile, but this time he drops them off with the ego.
Six months later, again I'm paraphrasing. There's like eight there's like twenty sentences
I'm putting it, trying to get down to five. Six months later,
Uh, several heroes around the world. Uh, answer and response, Peggy
Carter, Howard Stark, Bill Foster, King Kachaka, Bucky Barnes, doctor
Wendy Lawson. Who, oh, right, that way I always got the
way, the way you forgot about young Rock, I always forget about in
that banning. And I'll reluctant hank him okay, who brings his daughter Hope
along for the ride. After a scuffle, not a scuttle, a scuffle
on Cony Island, the team detains Quill with the help of thor As.
The team discovers that it's not Peter Quill doing all this mischievous stuff. It
is, in fact ego and there's a bunch of stuff. Talking about oh,
Quill says, Stark reminds me of his best friend Steve Rodgers, Like,
whatever, if you saw the episode, you know, but that's what
happens. It's ego. They all fight ego. It's a big war.
So yeah, what do you think, doom about this one? Up?
We saw his preview of getting kind of the almost like eight seventies to nineties
Avengers characters, what if they were a team up at this point. Yeah,
No, I had a really good time with this episode. Yeah,
we obviously have been a bank drought here in terms of where is our Avengers
team. We've been waiting for a few years, and so this is like
a fun little supplement. Here's a little here's a fun little Avengers team.
And we actually get another one, a separate one later on in the season
as well. But I like the roster here. Is fun to see some
of these characters, like Goliath being in the team. Is kind of fun
to see him actually like using his powers because he's kind of just a human
hanging out in whatever A man two I guess, So fun to have him
in there. And yeah, I'm I'm a huge ego fan. One of
my favorite villains in the MCU, so it's fun to have him back to
you. And then yeah, I really like the Peter Quill stuff. I
like to see some more of this kid Peter Quill and interacting with Hope,
Like that's a very that's kind of a fun what if scenario just because of
the age differences or or I guess just the same age similarity, but because
they're you know, back when they're still kids in the eighties, nineties,
whatever it is, So that was fun to have that connection between them as
well. So and then yeah, I just really enjoyed the fight that we
had in the desert or Egos spawn and all these like sand clay creatures and
he turns himself into a mountain, Like it was just very goofy and fun.
So yeah, just good character stuff. I feel like m you in
general. I guess specifically what if because there is an episode in season one
whereas like Evil Hank pim right where he was like killing a bunch of the
Avengers or something like that. So I feel like they really they really like
Hank, they really want they really really really like Hank. So it was
fun. He was kind of the protagonist of the episode I guess. So,
yeah, I had a really good time with this, so it was
a lot of fun. Pats Uh. Yeah, this one was one of
the lower ones for me. I I don't I don't know exactly what it
was. I feel like I don't know, I really don't know what it
was. Guy and a lot of that. I feel like just the stuff
between like Peter Quill and Hope, like the interactions were were cute and wholesome.
But I don't know, maybe I was just being too hypocritical, but
I'm like, I feel like when Ego gets him, like Peter Quill right
at the start, he just like melts away his his disimon thing. And
then from there and then on I just kind of took it like he's like
brainwashed now and he goes in that direction. But then later on it's it's
like Hope is just giving him this this walkman, and this is the one
thing he's been whinting ever since he went to the planet. But I don't
know, maybe maybe that's just the way that it works in this story,
but it did not work for me. Brainwashed though, I think he just
came to Earth and they thought all the bad stuff was like how much time
would have happened, right, because even like this kid, he's definitely like
a guard. Yeah, but I feel like it's like a with Ego thing,
Like I like, he didn't show up to Earth and was just like
taking out like a like Hank Pim's house or something like that. It just
seemed like there had been like quite a bit of time from the time that
he was abducted to where he is now. But then just his interactions made
it seem like he I don't know, it was it was a really recent
thing. But again, maybe I'm just being a little too picking a straw.
I feel like Ego is just kind of like a busy guy and he's
simultaneously controlling so many different people and sometimes he just isn't controlling Peter for a
bit, so then he can go just hang out on the carousel do whatever
he wants to do, autopilot mode for him. Yeah, exactly. It's
not a very uh watchful father in that way. Yeah, that's fair.
I And then like the like the team up stuff with the Avengers. It
was fun having the Winter Soldier in here. Oh yeah, I love when
Peggy's season he looks like, yeah, he looks like identical of the day
we lost Like that was a good mode because also Howard too write that he
was around for that era, So yeah, I really liked that moment shut
his battison like eye paint on. That's one of my favorite winter in the
entire FCU is that peak Winter Soldier with the mask and everything, and yeah,
I've just seen him kick ass with those guns. That was fun to
see. But I don't know. I also like the big, big fight
at the end where he goes just summoning things. It didn't do too too
much for me, but I mean that being said, it was still it
was still a past spoiling my thumb, my thumb direction by the end of
this episode, the field well just on the Winter Soldier thing. So I
know that this is obviously a different date, but we year was Howard Stark
murdered by Bucky, This would have been after that, right, So I'm
assuming those events changed because Bucky was like on low is how I took a
tooth to them here, considering the how of Stark is a lot, I
would say, yes, it's definitely after that age wife left him alive.
Yeah, but and what if everything, because he like Peter is still a
kid, right, So that's what made me think like it was still it's
not present day, but it was like in the past a little bit,
and Danny's older than him. Danny like he gets killed when Dany like starks
about sixteen. So I think it could come after. But again with the
what if timelines, I'd just say like okay, like maybe this doesn't need
to happen anymore for X, Y and Z right in this universe. Yeah,
you reminded me of the d aged Robert Downey and that uh. And
it's just a real stereo especially when you get like these images he named it
barf and then that black and white shot like what we do home? Uh.
But yeah, the episode, though it was, it was again just
another crazy ensemble. I was not expecting to see. Uh, his name's
Giant Man, right. I did not realize this was Goliath. Yeah,
I didn't realize that that was Lawrence Fishburne's character. I think we talked about
this like on the newscast before, and you also forgot about it again totally.
It's easy to forget. I do not blame you at all. This
is another character, another character. I totally it clicks now who that ant
Man looking character was in those like Lego minifigure packs because I didn't random one
of the random yeah. So but it's it's cool though to see to see
him in there, uh with ant Man and all the other characters and Bucky
Barnes being there, totally surprised me. I was not expecting that, So
I I definitely put this episode on the higher end. And it's just the
outrageousness of just how many fucking egos appeared, Like like I felt, this
is like the Mummy. The Mummy returns and just have the fucking dogs the
sand appearing. It's just like unending. They just keep appearing and peering Anuwvis's
army, and that's ego summons of news much. I think it is a
great moment where they kill all those dogs and then they look over the hill
and there's just ten thousand more coming. There's like eighty guys. Like right,
I can't wait to red show the Mummy one. But this is some
good stuff there. This is one that I liked. I just wish I
liked it more. And I think this is one where it dawned me because
I think Dylan's right. I like all the action stuff and the battlefield very
Man of Steel Flash ESQ where they're in a big battlefield. But I like
Egos attacks. I love how he starts bigging that in a bunch of little
pieces of them the fucking dogs this Hair said. I think it just shows
that in a half an hour episode of what I was missing is I wanted
more of the team dynamic, and really it just gets to they get together.
They have one scene to establish their team and then it's just them fighting
a bunch, which that's why it's still like a pass from me. I
still liked it. I had a good time. I think it's more in
like the Middle Road, but that's where it's just like, if I could
have had one that was like an hour, this would be the one,
because that's half the fun with the Avengers, right as seeing them interacts,
seeing the dinner scene, seeing them try lit Thor's hammer, or the argument
over Loki's staff. We don't get it too much here, And I also
didn't. I don't know. I also didn't. I don't think it was
bad, but I wasn't invested in Peter Quill and Hope children interacting, you
know, like I wanted to keep going with the adults route. So that's
where it's just a good problem to have of it left me wanting more.
So maybe I would enjoy it if, like what if season three, if
we came back to them to be like, hey, this team's still together
and they're fighting this threat, you know, like whatever it may be.
So yeah, I enjoyed it was just hoping. When we got that trailer,
I was like, man, this is one of my most anticipate ones
because I like all these people. So I wanted a little bit more.
And I don't know, almost like the Drew Law thing, maybe swap at
Benning's character for like I she just didn't do much for me here. It
wasn't at Benning, but it's like, yeah, there's just something like I
wish they'd just said it before Wasp had disappeared and Wasp was on the team.
I would rather they gone that route, because I think it was kind
of fine, you know. But I do appreciate Hank Pim because he's original
member, and I wish we got more. I've always wanted. I think
it would be animated, but I always wanted like a sixties show with him
and Janet together. It's like as the original type of duo and stuff.
But right, yeah, anything else specifically on this episode, No, I
don't think so something for me, yep, I'm with you. Thumb We'll
do a half thumb, half them up. Do one one thumb, right
there, one thumb? All right? What if Happy Hogan saved Christmas?
On Christmas Eve? Happy Ogan is assigned to oversee security for Avengers Tower on
the annual holiday party until Justin hamm Ran his henchman, Sir Guy, and
Rusty break out of prison and lay siege to the tower looking for Tony Stark's
tech and Bruce Banners Hulk blood serum. Maria Hill's injured in the attempt the
attack. Murray Hill is like also the female version of Rone and they just
like it's just dirty. Yeah, and then eventually what happens is, you
know, there's a bunch of you know, high jinks. Hopey Happy gets
injected with the blood he turns into I can't remember the actual there is a
Marvel character name after this Purple Hulk called look, oh, the Freak,
That's what it's called. It's the Freak. So yeah, so it is
a version of this, but we get that, we get a lot of
where are the Avengers while they're doing some sort of charity Christmas event there with
kids, and you know, there's some fun stuff there. So it's pretty
much just die Hard with Happy Hogan aka the Freak as well. So Tyr,
I gotta go to you because you know Justin Hammer. I've always said,
of all the people that in the MCU, taire is he is for
sure Justin Hammer. He will say no, but he definitely is. Were
you happy to see you know him? Bag? You know we got chewed
law, we got I feel like we're getting a lot of characters in one
of season two that only had that one appearance and been gone. But you're
notoriously not a big and enjoy of Justin Hammer's. Did this turning around or
that kind of sink the episode? When he was the Alan Rickman role here?
I thought it was. It was kind of funny just seeing him back,
and again I was not expecting him to appear here, but uh yeah,
and behold just to see him doing it. It's been a twenty twenty
three let me tell you. I was laughing at the fact that they just
really captured and emphasized his mannerisms, and they do that with many of these
recurring characters throughout other episodes of what if they capitalize on those certain things like
when he walks in, he's he's doing like his fucking dance thing that he
does an Iron Man too, and he walks on stage and I was laughing
like, oh, this is yeah, this is a Justin Hammer attribute or
trait that he's just emphasizing here and exercising. So that was good and well
I'm definitely more in the positive and with Hammer here, I was laughing mostly
just one thing. Just fuck. I was not expecting it when the Happy
Hogan got the Hulk juice and just the way he like broke into the room
and the way the needles arm into his leg and he's, ah, logistics
of pretty that. Oh yeah, fuck it got me so good though when
his leg just blew into this purple Hulk leg. But I got super excited.
He's like, well, this is really cool just to see him turn
into this, this this character which I was not maybe he's maybe we talked
about it in the news newscast. Fuck, I was not expecting it.
It totally went over my head. This completely changed from the the title that
I was expecting, Like a John McClain Christmas style scenario to you know,
we're creating more wet of scenarios with the Hulk juice going into Happy Hogan's juice
and Justin Hammer trying to Again, that's not a statement I ever need recited.
But so this episode is much more on the positive spectrum than I was
anticipating. Yeah, I'll go next, I'm the same way. I did
not think it was gonna be that way. I think we all went oh
man, because I think what I was thinking is going to be is similar
to the Thor party episode, where it was all right, but and this
is a comedic episode, but that was just like, Okay, it's just
Thor high jinks. Some characters you can see lokis of Frost Giant, but
just felt like it was purely a comedy episode where it's all dumb Thor.
There wasn't much substance there, or at least even and I don't think they
did. I feel like we didn't see the freak in the trailers at all,
right, so I feel like they kept that hidden, and I think
that was a great call because I was like, Okay, this instantly makes
this episode better, especially that like they didn't turn in the freak right away,
it was like this ticking clock of Oh's arms bag now his legs big
and oh, it's like it's slowly building up. So I'm a big Justin
Hammer fan. I don't understand how this man's won an oscar since he's been
the MCU. We've not seen him anywhere in the MCU, Like, it
doesn't make any sense to me. But uh yeah, I end up enjoying
this a lot more. And this was probably one that with the kids they
enjoyed it, because there's a few episodes in here that actually didn't enjoy This
is when I think during chrismas I would put on it was like, okay,
this is this is a good time. And again the whole charity event
too, that felt some of the stuff I like with the Avengers of the
Party stuff where Natasha's like doing nutcrackers so she's in this you know uniform.
There's this great scene where it's Hawkeye, I can't remember who he's talking to
is Oh, it's Bruce and they're doing a Turboman skit when they're fighting over
the Ironman doll, and then the background all the toys that are not sold
are Hawkeye toys. Yeah, he's the booster and just like Congress, like
I really need this Iron Man toy. Like I don't know what the context
was, but like little stuff where they were like kind of pairting other Christmas
movies too, So it's like, okay for an episode, I really thought
it was gonna be the bottom of the barrel. It surprised me and I
was happy with it. So that was my thoughts on Happy saving Christmas.
So I loved Hawkeye's lying too, because he's like, yeah, my wife
told me if I don't bring home the Iron Man, don't come home.
It's like not even your wife wants her own Hawkman or Hawkeye toy. Oh
yeah, but uh, I guess I'll just I'll just go with this one.
I Yeah, I I truly love this episode. It was it was
so much fun. I feel like this was the one that I was probably
laughing the most at. Uh and like there was humor throat throughout the season,
but I don't know, there's just a lot of shocking moments that I
think I was expecting. Justin Hammer was such a pleasure and a delight.
I truly love that character for for what he is, and yeah, I
what's the actor named Sam Rock? Was Sam rockwell Thunderbolts, Armor Wars,
Ironheart, Like, he's gotta be in one of these. It's gotta be,
you know, come on. But like Taylor said, like him just
doing his dance and everything. I was just it was great. It's been
a it's been a drought without him in the some for some Hammertech. They
have no problems with the multiverse. You know, screw Kang switch Kang with
justin Hammer We're cooking. You know, he's a multiverse dynasty. Yeah,
that's a sick title. That also sounds like a super right wing group dynasty.
Like it's like, oh, I don't know if I want to go
there for Christmas, but they could write that in who Knows? But yeah,
no, this was This was a really fun time. The freak all
all that stuff was was was really really fun and like you said, just
like the the little the little glimpses of like different Christmas movies and stuff throughout.
It was hilarious just seeing like something like Steve and Tony like at the
mall, like just doing like their San and the Elf and all the moms
or like this thirst and over Steve. That was hilarious. So yeah,
this was this was a big surprise for me. I think I would definitely
was predicting this one to be a little bit lower on my on my list,
but it just kept creeping up there, kept creeping up. Yeah,
I don't think I've much had to be on what you guys said. But
I also thought it was a very just fun time. You know, one
character, what's her name, Darcy is her name, right, who's in
this She's a character I'm surprised as popped up as much as she has,
yeah, post whatever early Tower stuff, you know, popping up in WandaVision
and then being here again. You know, not too much say about her.
She's just fun to have a little along for the ride. But yeah,
honestly, I think you guys kind of covered it, but I agree
with you. This is just a fun time and yeah, a good surprise,
and also like, yeah, what's happy to do in these days?
Because he's like hanging out in some Spider Man stuff every once in a while,
but yeah, that's that's pretty much it these days. So it was
fun to have him back and have them kind of center stage. And then
I don't know, there's like a sequel ish to this part of this character.
But it's like, it's not the same Happy. I'm a little confused.
We'll talk about that. But that was also a thing. I agree
with you. It's a weird line to draw, but yeah, I imagine
the same thing we would have to see Happy and iron Heart or Armor Wars,
which arm War is not happening. I'm just telling you now. So
I feel like he has to appear in Ironheart, right, like it's Ironman's
tack possibly. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a TV show,
right, so why not? Why not? You can pop in for an
episode and he's only directing bad seasons in the Mandalorian, right, Yeah,
I feel like he's doing so much so I don't know, I feel like
he's pretty Yeah, I'm joking. He's a busy guy. So but you
gain this with the thumbs Dylan one Christmas thumb up, thumb and half for
me two thumbs, two thumbs, like just hammer look at that. Uh,
And now we get an episode that was like three four years in the
making, was supposed to be with one of season one but didn't happen.
What if Ironmen crashed into the Grand Master, which is a weird title because
it should say Cikar or met the grand Master because he didn't, you know
whatever, but uh. In twenty twelve, Tony Stark saves New York City
by rejecting the missile towards the Shitari mothership, but the wormhole closes just before
he get back to Earth, this leading to him landing on Sakar and is
forced to stay by its ruler, the grand Master. Stark interferes in a
death race to save one of the racer's Cork, and encounters Gomora, who
was sent by Fast to kill Stark for stopping the Shatur invasion. After this,
they imprisoned Gomora's Stark. There's a deal made. They it's very death
race and stuff like that. Fast and furious. They make their deal where
it's like, you don't to be a ruler. If you lose, you
have to be the guy you're gonna be just stuck here for I don't know
ever. Whatever. It's something like that. He gets a suit, all
right, he gets a suit. Yeah, that too, so and then
they have a race. Somehow Gamore of Valkyrie and Stark finding and Cork find
a way to overcome all this. Grand Master gets melted and they Iron Man
and Gamore team up to go see Thanos, which looks like it's Gamora taking
that or stark in, but it's not. It's a big trick to kill
Thanos, and we are assuming he got melted. So, uh, Dylan,
what do you think about this episode? That was, yeah, originally
intended for last season, but they just couldn't get it done in time,
which I appreciate them not rushing. So yeah, I'm trying to think back
to when we covered the trailers and some called the episode titles a couple months
ago. Did we know that that was the setup for this episode, that
that was like the ending of the Avengers? But no, we just knew
he landed on the car because to me, that's like a prime what if
scenario, right, That's exact thing we want to see more of. Yes,
and I'd love if I could just quickly come up with a bunch of
examples, but I'm sure there's tons of moments like that were just you know,
ten seconds different from a big classic MCU moment changes so much and then
obviously they kind of just like make them both through a wormhole and pop on
a cicar. So this is not really a whole lot of logic, but
I didn't really care. It was still just like what could be this scenario?
And then but then it's also like another one if of just what if
another character had popped up in Ciicar other than I guess when Thor and Hulk
were there. So it works kind of two ways, and in that way,
it was just a super fun fantasy episode in that way, just having
that scenario. So I really liked it. And yeah, you know,
I'm I'm sick of Corg he was here some more, but you know,
I'm not sick of his grandmaster. I'm sure at some point that humor will
be grading and I'll be sick of it maybe in years and years to come,
but so far not really. And was it actually Goldbloom? I could
never tell with yes it was, it was. Yeah, So I just
his delivery, the jokes, like almost every single one of them worked.
They had like the goog their joking about the gou Wan thing again, but
like all of it was funny to me. I just I loved it.
And yeah, we don't really see a lot of racing or I don't know,
vehicle action. I guess in the MCU like a couple times you'll get
like a bike chase or something. But it was fun to have this kind
of Mad Max sort of death race thing going on to I think the Gomora
part is maybe the weakest angle of this episode for me. You get some
good stuff between her and Iron Man, but it just feels like it takes
a back seater. It takes too long to get to the interesting bits.
So it's fine. It doesn't really detract from me. It just didn't really
add a whole lot. Like I feel like you could have easily changed a
couple plot points here and written her out and it wouldn't really affected my enjoyment
much. But overall, man, I had so much fun with this.
The car is such a weirdo freak plan and I like going there. So
yeah, this is a definitely a top tier episode for me. I'll go
just because I want to jump off something you said there. It's so weird
that because they're like, oh, you don't know Gamora from the you know,
last season she was in the Guardians of the Multiverse, but here's your
story, and it doesn't like if I recall all the other Guardians, they
all have like an episode where they were the main character. Then they joined
the team. This episode does not feel like Gamore is the main character.
It feels like they should be recruiting Tony for the team. Like yeah,
so I was like, okay, I was just surprised, Like I don't
mind, like I think Tony, even if he's not voiced by Danny great
character is fun. So I was very surprised how little Goamura was actually in
it and how much of a role, Like, of course she has a
pivotal role in two moments, but I thought it'd be much bigger. So
I was very confused. So maybe that's why two when they felt we don't
need have it for neck like the finale, it makes sense now because it's
like Gamore just pops up and she's there, and obviously she killed Danos.
It's like, okay, cool, But I'm curious if they like made a
change somewhere along the lines, like because they did know that it wasn't gonna
be ready for last season, like ah well, let's just do the Tony
things. Even even the Watcher does say like she originates in someone else's story,
so like it very much is the Tony story. It's not like till
the end that it's really her dethroning. Yeah, because tights Dan so Yeah,
but yeah, liked Dylan's point the racing. I think it's kind of
like what I wished with the nebla thing where I wish there was more noir.
This was like, Okay, this is like you know, pod racing,
fast, furious death bracers like this section shirt, It's like, okay,
this is like has like a different vibe to it. And yeah,
I can't say enough about grand Master live action even here. The good thing
is like, to me, when we watch Michael Douglas's ant Man, it
does just feel like he has a script and he's just reading those lines to
Mike like there's no soul there where Jeff Gold like this feels like the grand
Master. He's so funny and kooky, and I like, I just need
that character back. We need maybe him Hammer. We took to get a
bunch of these weirdos together and like get get rid of you know, task
Master gets really like put some of the like get grand Master with Florence p.
Let's see what happens, you know, But I don't know what he
do to the team. But no, it was even when he melts his
good So no, this this this was one For some reason, I had
really no anticipation for It's almost like I wrote it off because like, oh,
was season one and they delay it had that stories like whatever. But
I ended up enjoying it a lot more than I thought. It's very much
like the Happy Hogan one where I just kind of had, oh, this
will probably be like, especially because it was season one as well too.
I think this had more of a season two quality to it. So I
wonder if this was in season one it would have felt even better for just
the overall show. But uh, yeah, No, I enjoyed seeing this
is LIKEDL said, this is what if I want, We're perfect when it
was like, oh what if the portal clothes is like, oh shit,
Like that's such a cool idea, like what happens next? So no,
I really enjoyed this one, you know, barring a few even Valkyri,
she was good, but the same thing, like not in it too much.
I like it was more just Stark and Cork, like those were the
main with Grand Master. So I was chuckling at the end of this when
Valkyrie just kind of becomes King of Cigar. Yeah, because it reminded me
of the moment in Wakanda forever We've talked about a lot where like in Baku
took me and Travis at least it felt just like a throwaway line of like,
wait, sorry, in Baku is King of Bonda. Yeah, yeah,
but uh, for Valkyrie here, I mean, because it's a what
if scenario and it's just some random universe in Cicar doesn't really impact me in
the way that does for Wakanda. But yeah, that was a funny moment.
And like you said too, this is a type one too where I
would even like a follow up where it's if you follow the same trajector.
I don't know if you would, but Okay, if Hawk lands there,
now, what happens? If Thor lands there, now, what happens low?
You know, like it's completely different. It's not a Dictatorships. I
don't know. Yeah, what happens with iron Man at the end of See
Leave or is he still there at the well he goes with? Yeah,
I think the idea is because they talk about pay I think it's just to
get him back home, right, so I would assume that he gets back
on Earth, so right right? Uh? Yeah, I really like this
episode. I think the whole racing the death race dynamic was was just really
fun. I feel like, I don't know, that's not normally like my
movie archetype that I'm feasting for, but this one was just it just really
worked. The car is just so strange. It fits that like pod racing
type style where everyone has like a different style of ship. I like the
giant hologram of Master just just patiently waiting to allow them to go. And
then when he's racing, he just completely scumbags, which I would definitely,
uh, you know, expect from him. His car has all the gadgets.
Like that was that was lots of fun, I agree with. I
think it was Dylan that said, like the Gamor stuff seemed pretty back burnery,
like it wasn't too much in the U like the highlight of this episode
by any means, So that stuff kind of fell short for me. But
still just her trying to hunt down Stark, like throughout all this chaos was
it was a fun enough like a threat even though it wasn't a big threat
by any means. It seemed like but like, at no point in this
episode was I worried for Tony or anything. It just seemed like it was
gonna work out. Maybe it was just like the lightheartedness of or the light
yeah, the light hardness feel of the episode overall, but it was still
it was still lots of fun. I was definitely laughing at Grandmaster and uh
just just cork on on on the crew for sure, and just putting Tony
in this in this situation where like you guys have already mentioned like it just
this one seems like the most fitting of the what ifs, where like he's
just fading back to Earth and then the portal just barely closes before he gets
there, and then it's just immediately on that adventure from like taking from that
big moment of Avengers. It was cool to see it there. So yeah,
I don't think it's the top tier or the bottom tier for me by
any means, so somewhere in the middle, which is a pretty nice place
to sit on the season overall, because it's just really strong season. Yeah,
I think this is a really really good example of just what if portal
closes? I mean, I never I never pitch what if. This is
just the story I was I was unexpecting. I was I thought it was
going to be more Gamora centric. And and focused, and yeah, just
getting to really be like in on Tony Stark landing on the car and just
his kind of adventure and the whole racing theme that was thrown in there too.
I caught me by surprise, but I really really enjoyed it. And
yeah, just the Grandmaster. He he's just he's leazy, as you guys
already talked about, and it's just fun to see him kind of make appear
back. And they were again, like I was saying with Hammer, they
were emphasizing those those small minute things that people might just be meming off with,
like it's my birthday. It's my birthday. He's just like riding that
the whole episode. And yeah, so that was that was quite some fun.
And yeah, again we get some familiar characters, and it just that
set up at the end of Just Tony, before the setup of him going
to kill Finals with the Kamora, when he gets in and into the ship
and he's just talking like, oh, Pepper Potts, like I'm coming Pepper.
It was a weird like moment where I thought, like that would be
crazy if he the portal closed, but maybe Earth got fucked up. And
then I just went and destroyed it anyways, and he gets back and like
Earth is destroyed. That would have been a very wild scenario, but obviously
like a war. Almost like a war, but all those space and then
when he comes back ever, half the people are gone, right, Well,
that's true. It's it's crazy just to think that this what if scenario
exists where you lose three Avengers movies and a whole bunch of spin offs.
This movie, this what if episode alone probably eliminates what like how many like
thirty MCU films? Well hopeful that far because because there thirty four films,
I think I think we're just that's that's Captain America, incredible, Hulk,
I met one, Guardians one, two, and three, Well don't happen,
no one once we get yeah, there you go. Why wouldn't Captain
America happen? He's still in this that happens everything pre Avengers one would happen.
Everything else would be totally different. Yes, maybe I think Ultron still
happens because Tony is a bitch like that. It's like, all we got
to put a suit around the armor, so Guardians wouldn't because with the stones
for fantos and that changes a suit of arm around the world. Yeah,
Guardian of the Suit was around the armor. But I think Ultron and Avengers
probably still happens in a similar sort of way. You know, they don't
have Loki staff though, because Loki wouldn't. Oh no, they would,
they they would get the stone. It still happens. I think they would
Altron happen, and plus Kang or somebody still coming, right, so some
would happened. But yeah, maybe they were still live though, right,
Kang gets to fight down and everything. So the focus stone, though in
the staff focused, Yes, it's the most important stone, threw off their
calculations that a servant would still be alive. Right the mouth of Souran guy,
Yeah, he's gonna be the guy that leads you are here, wasn't
in pain? Oh, I can't wait two days. We're gonna you are
Lord of the Rings trilogy. Watch that. Anything else, I'll just quickly
shout out the I really like Tony's vehicle that he has in like the first
races, like the Halo Chopper pretty much, which is just like these two
huge wheels in the front and then like a little seat in the back for
him. So I like that. And then I also liked his kind of
Transformers inspired suit race car. That was fun as well. I really like
how when he finishes, goes to the finish line and then like breaks,
does like a bit of a drift and then just flies into the suit,
like come on, that's so cool. So uh yeah, all that was
really good and I love that joke at the end when Grandmaster's melting, He's
like, ooh, Viscus give me a bucket, Like yeah, so good.
I like the like the fake out too, and they give him like
this like chariot vehicle, but then he has like you know, on the
final right, it's a way to get there, so some cool, some
cool Arman tech stuff just to show a one quick thing. When Gimore was
using that like melter tool on Thanos, like for brief minute, it didn't
look like it was actually doing anything, don't right, Yeah. I think
she maybe like hit the armor first and then hit his body or something.
I think so, which would be more than enough time for Fantals to counteract.
But I think he was. I think he does melt because I think
they establish Gamore if I'm remembering in the finale of what if She killed Thanals?
Right, So I think she did take him out, So yeah,
maybe that that's their verse. It doesn't work and it just kills Gamora and
Tony Stark right there. So yeah, there is Aron. Yeah, it's
a lot worse thanos comes, like a lot earlier, with no tone with
the weapon. He's got the fucking Melter weapon. Yeah, he didn't even
need the Gauntlet in the mcconie. Should just have the Melter and everybody be
fucking done. I would double have any MCU films we'd have, so instead
of thirty four being like sixty four, Yeah, Fantas is still around too.
They haven't beat him yap. Yeah, yeah, I'll take that that
universe instead, or we get double the movies. Yeah, they're waiting for
a secret invasion to take him down, you know. So thumb and half
for me, I'll quiver it a big old juicy Sakarian thumb. One thumb,
I'll go a thumb and a half the one half, all right?
What if Captain Carter fought the hydra Stumper. Captain Peggy Carter and Natasha Romaff
finds Steve Rogers inside a hydro stumper. They also skipped over the part where
Peggy's part of the Avengers. They're just they've pretty much it's the exact same
to Winter Soldier. A briefing from Nick Fury leads Roam out to deduce at
Rogers, who went missing in nineteen fifty three, was brainwashed by the Red
Room. From this point on, they meet you know, there's a Bucky
Barnes' old senator. Now they meet Steve. They think they can fix him
and whatnot. Secretly, No, he's still in control of the Red Room.
From the Black Widow movie, you get Natalia what's her name, Lena
Melina, Natasha's you know, adoptive mother. She's leading the Red Room now.
And you know, so it's pretty much like Hydra and the Russia like
Red Room, like they've all like combined their source. So it's very much
like you get Winter Soldier in the Black Widow movie, which is funny because
Black Widow Movie, to me, it's just like a carbon not carbon cop
but it's pretty similar. So yeah, that's pretty much it. It's false
things a Winter Soldier. I think what I liked is it wasn't a complete
carbon copy where Peggan Carter the first episode, where like last season was literally
just a Captain American movie but with Peggy. This was some differences of Okay,
the Red Room getting in a lot earlier. I loved the setup of
the nuclear site. I liked a lot of the action going on there.
I liked the flip of you know, of course, it's very similar Steve
being the one that's been in water. I actually liked Bucky being like the
older center because yeah, at first time, Sam like, who is this?
Like? Okay, so I enjoyed. I think it's more the meddling
tear. I usually just in general, like Peggy Carter. I liked the
team of Peggy Carter and Black Widow, so I enjoyed this. There was
some repetition, but I think this was a It worked on the action set
pieces and uh yeah, I good time with this one. Yeah. The
biggest success for this episode for me is that I just love Captain Carter and
Black Widow is like a really fun duo like that. After watching this,
I'm like, man, I just want a live action movie of this.
And I don't know how I would work with timelines and characters, survival states
and whatnot, but I don't care. I still want it in some way
somehow. I guess this is where I'm gonna get it is the one if
scenarios instead, But yeah, I really really love that duo obviously, because
Captain America and Black would have such a great connection too, so it's fun
to see like just a slight variation on that too. And yeah, what
you said Travis, of like, I really kept Carter in the first season,
but that episode, like the plot of it wasn't really the most engaging,
but this is a lot a lot more fun to me. I love
the nuke Town setting. I thought it was super fun, and yeah,
to get a little bit of that black widow flavor in there with the Molina
and all that crew, I thought it was fun as well. So I
liked all the the action in there. I think maybe this episode's like a
bit too long, like you can probably shave off five minutes, just like
some of the battles go on for a very long time. But yeah,
I don't know. Just I really like this character of Peggy Carter. We're
gonna see a lot more for the season obviously, So yeah, just character
that I'm really vibing with. And I had a good time with stepisode as
well. Yeah, I enjoyed this one. I completely agree with you guys
saying, like the dynamic between Captain Carter and Black Widow was so fun,
and this episode, it seems like they're not just there to like help out
the other person like they eat. They each kind of have their ties,
like Captain Carter with the hydro stuff and then obviously Black Widow with the whole
Red Room thing. It seemed like they had like their own threats to deal
with, but it was like just going along together. So it just fit
really well. They had great chemistry back and forth. And I don't know,
I just I'm such a sucker for the whole Steve and Peggy thing.
It doesn't matter if it's Steve and the Captain America or if it doesn't matter
if it's it's like Captain Carter. Man, my brain fought there. There
you go. It doesn't matter who's who, it doesn't matter who has the
shield. I just love that dynamic. It seems like they're always losing out
on that relationship. It doesn't matter what universe it is. And they definitely,
I mean even in an episode later on, like they just really touch
upon that, like the tear on the heart string sort of thing. So
I thought this episode had that as well, and yeah, some good action.
Definitely loved the nuke Town setting that was great, and yeah, just
overall it was it was very solid episode. I was really surprised to just
kind of get all these Black Widow kind of like things coming back into play
here. That was just very interesting and just kind of see how like you
said, Travis, Hydra and the Red Room Rush is just kind of like
molded and meshed into one. I always like seeing Captain Carter. I feel
like it's good to see her shine here after she just got fucking bopped in
Wanda Multi thank you. Yeah, I wish they never did that as much
as I was all cool with them doing the killing all the cameos, but
maybe they should just left that one out because now she's grown. Yeah it's
not the same Captain Carter, but it's still like, you know, it's
just they're trying to put her on like a top tier status. Yeah,
but overall, the newke Town setting very freaky, very creepy, and I
liked how Steve was just he was a bait and he was just pretending.
I felt like that was a very different change up from Bucky. Because you're
right, Travis, it is very Winter Soldier esque Captain America Winter Soldier movie
asque. And so when Steve just changes like, hey, like, oh,
we did never have that dance or that date or whatever he's saying,
and I just I like how Natasha was apprehensive about it. But it was
just a cool twist of events. And so when you kind of get to
the the conclusion the fight and you get I can't remember Melana was her name,
right, and Natasha's adoptor mother. Yeah, when all the other black
widows are fighting Natasha and Lena's just commenting like, oh, go for,
go for like she heard it in third grade. It's like, I'm getting
so pissed if this person's just calling out your weakness as you're fighting. It
was really a voice actress soul. Yeah happened. I was laughing really hard
though, because just when the before I was laughing, just that sentimental moment
between uh, Peggy and Steve, and Steve just he doesn't really say anything,
but he knows he has to do and he just flies up to just
destroy the Red Room. And then Natasha just amazing fucking accuracy, like like
you're doing that Striker's shot and you're trying to go for the charge shot and
you get like the blue and the blue on that first fucking mark, and
she does it and she loses the grappling strikers yeah in the eyes, so
like I thought she was gonna grapple onto the hydro stopper and then I just
Molina's screamed. Just I was laughing because she's just fucking flailing. Nothing she
could do, and she just goes down. At that point, even if
you like get out of it, you're just gonna fall, Like would you
rather fall like five hundred feet or going to the exploding ship? I feel
like I still take the fall. Exploding ship would be I think instant because
at least to just be explodes. What happens if you get there and it
shoots you to like aside the ship and you're like they're burning alive, Like
that's my worry. Where the fall? You know, you're instantly dead,
right, but you might not and you might break your legs and your body
and your yeah, and then the fire lance on you. Yeah. Yeah,
that's the worst. That's the worst. Yeah, you fall, you
don't die, like you're looking like altver and then goldenyere like oh and the
things crashes on them, Like that's to do what happened? I just pictured
an Avengers tower like Vision and Black Wedd just having Gangbusters Strikers matches because she's
the best, and like he's a computer, so he's just adapt all this.
So they're just there for hours, just duking it out like a best
of fifty. That's the what if scenario I want to see first episode of
next season. Yeah. Everyone, everyone's like, oh, they make a
huge announcement, like guess what Nintendo's partner with Disney to do what. Everyone's
like, oh my god, what they're gonna do? And it's just Strikers.
Yeah, just like it's just fucking bullshit. Like I thought that's tournament
because then they can have like, you know, kill Monker in there he
plays around. Oh yeah, everyone ned, I bet that would be really
good and have a feeling, you know, he's got something there. Chair
there'sn't a good brand butter who would be good at it? We should do
a who would win a Striker? Yeah, a twenty seed tournament? Who's
in it and who would win it? You know, like Visions of Cheek.
He would just like hack into the main frame. Just yeah, then
the Quicksilver he could be really good because like he might not be good,
but he has enough time to like, you know, just really line up
those shots and we see him player games and the movies. True, yeah,
so fun. A good episode of do Hulk for sure is not Bruce
Hulk, No, not not no. Steve Rogers would be horrible. What's
this? I'll always be so kind to like past you guys. He'd be
down. He'd be like me and dim in the cord match, like,
oh great game, you know, like he wouldn't be pissed about it all.
He's like, oh, what a fun what a fun time, you
know, fun time. Oh yeah, Taylor. I was also laughing at
that part, not because of Melna going off into the sky, but because
like I love the Hulkbusters to like the Mark one Iron Man outfit, like
it's it's sick, but it always reminds me of the Iron Giant and when
he just flies off into the sky, I just I just thought of that
last scene an Iron Giant be who you want to be? Whatever the fuck
the line I am Superman. Yeah, oh that's what it is. You
are who you choose to be Superman. I just I laughed out loud watching
that because it's like the exact same thing, but Steve saying thumb up for
me, same thumb and a half. I came in there. Episode six,
What if Carhari I helped reshaped the world after sort of destroys Ashgar during
ragnar Rock, the Testra crash lands in a lake in a pre colonized America,
giving it magical properties. Numerous tribes people disappear while interacting with the lake,
which become known as the Forbidden Lake. In the fifteenth century, a
young Mohawk woman Kari, and her brother Wahati are hunted by the Spanish conquidors
and fall into this lake, discovering something that is a mysterious there's like eight
more sense two months to go first, I'll take it here. I so
obviously we knew this episode is coming. This is gonna be like the introduction
of a new character or character that I am not personally familiar with, a
new character. No completely okay, okay, yeah, new to Marvel overall.
Yeah, very very interesting. So I mean in terms of because of
that, you know, you do get a lot of origin story stuff,
and a lot of this episode doesn't really feel like I really what if scenario
just feel like, I guess this is where they chose to do this origin
story for the character. So that's kind of an interesting choice. Well,
sorry, the what if is the test tract. I think that's the only
whatf company I know, But that's what I mean where it just feels like,
Okay, that's that's how it if we came up with some hair brain
scheme to create this vide because you could have the test rack, you could
have it drop at any moment in this I get like, and it's not
even like the test rakt falls. It's just like the test ract put power
into this lake and it's just like floating in space or something. So like,
it's the way like Captain Marvel was like the First Avenger because her fucking
flight set, like her plan set of danger, right, Like you could
bring in the MC and be like, oh, you didn't hear this tale
of the test ract doing something. So yeah, Taylor, you're right.
But it's like it's in the way that we're talking about the Tony Stark episode.
How that's like an interesting what if scenario? This is just feels like,
Okay, I guess technically that is a what if scenario that could exist
but no one would ever would have predicted it to happen, So so yeah,
you know, because of that, like like I was saying all that
to get us the point where, yeah, like this is an origin story
for the most part, and because of that, it's kind of like boring
in an origin story sort of way. But other than that, like it
is, it is a fine enough episode. The story itself is pretty basic.
This group of people teaming up against these bad guys and they take them
out and whatnot. So yeah, it's it's nothing that's blowing my mind by
any means. But I also didn't hate it. It was just I guess
I'm very neutral on the episode overall. There's really not much more for me
to say, Like there isn't any big characters from the rest of the like
the Greater MCU, that are represented here. It's more of a a kind
of just one off scenario. So it was interesting enough, but not blowing
my mind. I'll go because I'm pretty in line with Dylan, I'm like,
that's where I am. I thought that was fine. I think it
shares very similar elements to Black Panther and being sung sheh, where it's like,
oh there's a hidden community that doesn't want to go out to the greater
world because what could happen X Y and Z. It's like we've seen that
beat before. I liked the character enough, but I was not in the
bad way. We're a lot to be like, oh, this is the
best episode, Like I I appreciate what it does culture wise, and I
think that's the two things I'll bring up here that were at one was like
a real life disconnect for me, and then one was a critique disconnect.
All the all works. I think the action set piece at the end is
really cool when you know, she gets hit by a cannon and they look
at the woods and all like the eyes probably like oh, that's really cool,
and like there's this action sequence of score. So it's like the third
act battle that to me was the highlight. There's two things. So one
when she falls in this lake right away she gotta get back and like all
you can't go back into their kind of teaching in the ways I think I
didn't like that. There's a lot of and thos. People say it's the
MCU, but there's a lot of like her joke in or like having a
good time, but she thinks like her people up there are getting slaughtered and
then she's just kind of like having a breezy go So that bugged me.
And then a real life thing, which was kind of disappointing, and I
hope they do something like this like Pray where Pray they had the English version
and then they had a Native American version or whichever they want to classified as
they don't know what is a Disney plus excuse me if that's not what it
is. That was the issue where the second it was about two minutes in,
it kind of cuts off its audience for a young people because Gwenn and
Logan could not enjoy this episode because they weren't gonna listen to me the whole
time, like read out the whole thing. So I thought, oh,
this would be cool for them to see a different culture, because I don't
think they've seen much like I think they've watched Man Pocons, but it's not
one that's really spoken to them. So I thought, oh, this will
be cool because even it's a new character, female led you know, different
rays, different backstory, different orgin like, oh, this would be great,
but that kind of secluded them away, and I thought it was kind
of odd. That they did that, especially when we get this character a
couple episodes later and she's just speaking English, like just full on English.
So I wish there was like The Prey where they did both versions because I
was excited for them to watch it, and then they just left because I
couldn't blame them because they're these characters are saying stuff they can't understand. So
I thought that was kind of kind of a mistake on their part, especially
if this is a character they do want to do a comic of or bring
them in. You want that to grow out, and it would kind of
be like if we met Miles Morales but he only spoke Spanish. It'd be
great for the culture and the representation, but my girls wouldn't have the same
attachment to what Miles that they do now, right, So I thought that
was kind of a miss on a production value to not have an option or
have the full episode that way. But over I thought it was like a
good episode, but it's not anything that I'll be returning to a bunch,
and I like the character enough, you know, So yeah, I was
curious how that was gonna go with your your little ones, Yeah, because
that's how went too they're out, you know, so I had to go.
I took two attempts on this one, because this one took me into
the wee hours of the night one night, and then I completely passed out
because I was like trying to keep up with the subtitles. And then yeah,
rewatched it the next day, and I actually really enjoyed it. I
feel like, I don't know, maybe I wrote it off on the first
half watch because it's just like a new character, a lot of Origin stuff,
as Dylan was mentioning, and when you're really tired, it's not usually
the best time to digest all those things. So stuff in thirty three minutes.
It's not like a full movie where it's okay, we've got two hours,
the first hour of the Origin, second hours, the okay, they're
a hero now or almost. This is like the whole thing is this is
the beginning. Yeah, and not like our lead character. She is quite
a bad as especially once she starts like really figuring out her powers. We
really get to see that showcase in the last episode. But my favorite part
about this was actually just the whole the whole dynamic of like just these conquistadors
coming to just fucking do what Conquista doors do and just like take the land
and these people's property and livelihood and murder them. But you know, we've
like superpowered the the Mohawk people, so that that was just really cool to
see like the defense of that, and visually, I feel like this was
the most visually appealing episode for me. I don't know what it was,
but just like the yeah, just like the setting and especially at the end
when they're like you have like the big ships off in the distance, and
just like the smoke going off from the gun and the blue crystal powers,
like just all of that was just really visually appetizing to me. I was
just really enjoying that. I loved all the action sequences, but there was
some moments throughout it that maybe were a little bit of a lull, But
maybe that's just more of like the the origin stuff or certain characters just kind
of having fun and lighthearted where I guess it's kind of to your point,
Travis, where they have like those mcuisms of everyone's can kind of have a
moment to joke around. Even though it does feel like a very serious at
least concept of an episode, A lot of people are you know, either
dying or having for them. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But yeah,
this one was kind of a surprise for me. I liked it a
lot more than I was maybe expecting to. Yeah, I think this episode
visually, I've really loved just how they interpreted the test act turning into a
different source of energy. Whereas we've seen how it's power, We've seen how
a few Infinity Stones, so it's power can kind of trickle down and create
different superhumans. And so when we see my example here would be Captain Marble
and we see how the tests tact basically affected her, it's neat to see
how this is basically a different form of that power reaching out because they're literally
just working with it. They're like ingesting it because it's part of their food,
their war, like everything that they've they've grown into. It's just a
part of them. And so I think that's really cool. And it reminds
me too of just how like Wakanda uses vibranium and like sows it into their
clothes and whatnot. So I feel like it's got a cool kind of blend
and mesh with that as well. But I think that focusing on just this
historically very negative moment and just how these Conquista doors are coming in and just
fucking shut up, like you said, Kirkland, And I liked how it
just kind of it gave this really cool spin of how they were able to
just pull this alternate world and this alternate plane was just again, it reminds
me of what Conda. What I say is just like you said, Luca
quote quote yeah, uh but the Yeah, I think that the separate realm
that they accessed and then when they were able to like go like super nova
and just like uh what was her name, Kahori that was her name,
when she was able to tap into like this inner like superpower and just really
create the portal and just basically harness the Test to Act power no matter where
they are, Like this is like ten times more powerful than Captain Marvel's ability
because they can literally create portals to wherever they want to go. Yeah,
very very strong. I thought that was I thought a big time with the
power set here. Definitely, that was that was with Loki Staff, right.
That wasn't with the Test Act, was it? It was powered by
Loki Staff, right, the Mindstone. I just love this sce here where
Taylor's just there being like, yeah, you guys got nothing to worry about
your more powerful captain and she just shows up and destroys everything like a Captain
Marvel too, like when she's the Annihilator, like it's like, don't worry,
there's nothing to fear here. It's like, like I agree like that.
I think they're use the powers in like a different set. I still
like Captain Marble would just like fly that place and it's gone, you know,
Like I feel like she's still pretty struck. Yeah, I think again
the function up this being and it fu Yeah, this being an origin story
for a new Marvel character, it's interesting that they chose to do it in
that wed if setting they could have, I don't know, maybe they it
would have been cool to see it in like a like a live action TV
series like on Disney Plus or something like that, because I feel like a
character like this to just have like a twenty nine to thirty minute story,
I feel like it can be rushed at times, and I feel like that's
where you see like, oh, you're a quick learner. That was basically
the fill in for her expedetting like her fast and all over powers, and
you know what, that's fine, because at the end of the day,
I'm just really happy that the representation is there. And I was reading people
just like praising this representation, just like hearing the language and hearing this never
seen this before, and I think that's really really wonderful that you get to
have that. And I think that as long as they don't I don't know,
they don't just kind of like cast this character aside and like mess around
with her, and I feel like we'll talk about later a little bit.
Like the just the transition to speaking English, I feel like that's I don't
know, that's just like, hey, we did your episode and we did
all of this like this, like here we go, yeah, yeah,
here's like speak English all this kind of stuff, Like you know, you
don't have to kind of like shaft it that way. I think, like
you said, Travis, put out different versions that address like different accessibilities that
everyone can enjoy different ways of experiencing this this story and this character because it's
a new character, new and like a new what if new adventure. So
yeah, just that would be my only kind of like feedback on it.
But other than that, I really like the setting. I like the characters.
I like how they just strutted in there and just like this Queen of
Spain, like she's like lifted her up, She's like trying to hold her
dress down, like ah, there's like my claim and all this, like
you know, fuck you, Queen, You're fucking get out of here.
And doctor doctor Strange just shows up, which is like the Queen's I don't
need to see a follow up, but the Queen's like what the fuck is
going on? Like yeah, I want to know what her next morning.
That changes so much about that the multi horse is in grave danger. They're
fucking ship up. Taylor. I'm thinking about how like every every character,
you know, if you go like Marvel WICKI has like superhero strength and like
enhanced stamina, like just those generic things. I'm picturing that like on her
page, we'll just say like quick learner, like that's just one of the
powers. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. I think it's just that there
this is like a testing ground, you know. It's the same way it's
like Miles Morales was not he was in the com books, but he was
not in like Spider Man six ones. He was in the Ultimate Universe and
then they merged them. So I think that's kind of I think it's been
successful. Like there's other characters like Agent Colson that's like he's not like a
Marvel character. They create them. But that's like a very minute with this
being a hero. So I think you could like maybe see her in like
a Secret Wars or maybe they dabble more what if and kind of see because
you know, there's like look at Harley Quinn. That's a characters start an
animation and then it's one of the most popular DC characters. So I think
it's just like, Okay, let's see what the reaction is here. And
I think the reaction has been good, so we will see. I will
go with a thumb up, thumb up for me as well, thumb up.
So I'm and a half those halfs are coming out an ore there.
Yeah, surprised. Uh. What if Hella found the Ten Rings, growing
weary of Hell's bloodlust, and the Nine Realms Own banishes her to Earth,
trips her over powers Strawing Millnaire and placing her on an enchantment or place an
enchantment on her crown, Hell Lah Jesus Christ, Hell of Lands and Medievil
China, and is confronted by the armies of Win the man, and she
attempts to retrieve the ground but fails. Win Wu keeps Hell lies and tries
to recruit her to his army, but Hell escapes his fortress after failing to
steal his ten rings. She is guided to hundon the realm of Tallau,
where she is where she convinces the leader to let her join her cause Uh
teaches the way of Tallah. Yeah. Own visits Earth to battle win Wu
in retaliation because he learns about the rings. Hella joins. When Wu fights
Own, ultimately winning regardless of regaining her worthiness to wield the crown, and
becomes the Angel or whatever, the guard whatever, what is her thing or
something. She's the goddess of death. She's a goddess of life. Now
that's what she is. She's a loss of life. And they've not the
same ring, and they become just like hit her and when Wu become like
they're stopping oppression and they yeah, they do that too, maybe, but
they just have like a quick moantage to them, like showing up to every
bad event in the MCU, and they would have saved the day. And
apparently it would have been perfect of Own just cast out Hella yeah, this
it's for me. It's weird because we talked about happy Hoganer's like, oh,
I had so low expectations, and then it was like it was happy
when well, this is one that when we got those lists, I'm like,
oh, this one sounds awesome. This was just fine for me.
I liked getting more hell up. But I just feel everything from the Hella
even arc was a little bit rushed to even It felt weird that Owen at
the beginning the episode casts out for his blood lust, but then he's like,
let's go invade fucking China and kill everybody to take these rings. It
was like this doesn't really compute at all, Like it just felt messy and
all over and again, this I felt was the closest to the Peggy Car
episode last year or last season, where it was like it just sung Sheet
and Thor and they melded the two movies together. What I liked about the
pay Car episode this one was they did that, but then the back half
was new stuff, new environment, new setting, new twists. This has
kind of felt like pretty much the same reci Repreat with a barring, like
a few other things. I'm glad that Kate Lanchette was actually back to voice
Hell, so that was cool. I think that even then too, when
we talked about I would have flipped it. I would have liked more in
the Avengers episode where I want more character dnamic instead of action. Here's where
I want it because I heard the episodes like oh, man like the Manner
versus Oh, and this is gonna be great, and I think we got
one. But I feel like I could have took a fifteen minute episode like
the fifteen minute back after just being like as Guard and the Manners people just
going to war with each other, kind of like what they did with the
Death Race, like a big sequence, and I didn't really get that.
So this is it's It's definitely in the bottom. I'd say three for me.
So it was kind of a disappointment unfortunately, not bad, but didn't
didn't match a lot of the other ones for me fair enough. Yeah,
I can't really blame you for that, but I think I enjoyed it more
nice just because I love Hello so much. She's just so fun. I
thought like her humor really worked for me here, and then also just like
her badass factor and I like that the whole time. You know, she's
like kind of trying to buddy up a little bit with win Wu, but
then she just like tries to kill him anyway, Like all these things of
she tried, you know, trying to fool them a little bit, but
she's still just like this evil person. But then I actually feel like she
goes on a pretty massive turn of character from like being pure evil to wanting
to be like the Savior of the Nine Realms and undo all this stuff.
But I've actually feels like it works for me. I don't know if it's
because of like the I guess implied time jumps or time skips that happened here.
I don't know if that that's what makes it feel better, but yeah,
I just I just had a really fun time with this journey. And
I think I agree with you though that, like I feel like the odin
when Wu altercation at the end was kind of underwhelming, But for me,
it's more the journey along the way that I particularly enjoyed. And yeah,
it was fun to see some of this shunk Chi stuff that we just haven't
really seen anything from that world or those characters since that movie came out,
So it's funny to get back into that world as well. So yeah,
I enjoyed this one. Yeah, I'm I'm a little like Dylan on this
one. I definitely had high expectations going into it because I love Hella.
I feel like I haven't seen enough of her, and just knowing what this
one was with the mixup of the ten, that was just really exciting.
And although like some like like turning to the the Angel of Life or whatever
they called it, the Goddess of Goddess of Life, her look was was
badass. I feel like maybe it was a little bit uh like quick,
but again, it is thirty minute episodes like like what are you gonna do?
Have a two parter, and I feel like that's yeah, that's he
That's got a ring to it right there, especially the Lord of the Rings
time with Kate Blanchett. Come on, now, I will say, other
than gan Off the White, no one should go by blank the white.
I think I think it's I think that's a reserve for one man. But
I don't think nowadays anyone should be the white anything white. Yeah, can't
that one? Yeah? Yeah, I don't want to be crickled. If
you meet anybody right away you're like, oh, hang on a second,
like your guard goes up right away after the narrator the white why are they
the white? Fair enough? You have a you have a you have a
good point there. But yeah, just like throughout this entire episode, I
just had a really good time. I think. I think I just like
Dylan was saying, I just really really like Hella, so having her interact
with when Wu and having some of that charm that like I'm not really used
to her having because she is just such a representation of evil here it's a
little bit more lighthearted, but she's still it's almost like a low key thing
where she's like smiling into your face but then like trying to stab you in
the back and get the rings away from you. And just seeing her interact
with what was it the people of Talel, I think that's what that tallow.
Just like that. Yeah, just like that training sequence she had with
I forget all the characters' names, but when she dismantles from the bow staff,
just like that was a really cool sequence. It's like what happens between
her and when Wu in shun Chi. So that was just really cool to
see. I really like her red outfit that she has just a really badass
look. And yeah, just just like the setup too of it being basically
the same thing as Thor. Right, it's the exact same thing that happens
with Odin, and he says with the with meal near those who can wheel
this or whatnot. So yeah, from start to finish, I I don't
think it's can wheel this and whatnot? You can function up with this?
Yeah, give you a Milner the white. I don't think this is a
perfect episode, but I definitely had just a fantastic time watching this. So
my enjoyment factor is, I think higher than what the quality of the episode
is. I love when she does like the hair thing that she does in
Ragnar or she like push her hair back to like spawn the helmet and she's
like, oh, that normally has a bigger impact. That doesn't. Then
she does like her like wrist blade thing too, and then that does nothing.
Then she like pops off. Still like her having to see her fight
when she doesn't have her op devices. Yeah too, she doesn't have a
crutch to lean on, you know exactly that's killed him. I really liked
this episode. My only biggest con is just when Odin comes back and gets
pissed off at her for her fulfilling her her mission to get her powers back,
and to him, that's like this is unacceptable these people now, Yeah,
that that's my only con And I was like vocally like saying out loud,
like a vocal outbursts like Oden, you fucking hypocrite, like really concerned.
That's not like Odin's ever a good guy, right, nobody. It
felt like they still these nine realms and like arbitrarily, he's like, yeah,
that's enough. That doesn't make him a good guy. Like that's different
though, because like he says like like should they should you be worthy?
Will wield the power of Hella like and even like you know, you exceeded
my expectations, like to reclaim your power whatever like she was. There were
standards that he set in his his like magic. But he is a hypocrite,
like in general. That's that's why I think of of Odin. I
don't think of I guess so, but he totally. But it even just
like because it's weird because like I feel like they're framing it in the MC
where they and Raight Rock they say that right where at one point he was
like this, but eventually he starts to change, so I feel like this
was like, oh this is Owen. On the episode learning, he started
to realize, hey, we went way too hard, we would kill a
way too make people. Because he gets rid of her because yeah, because
you're bloodlust. So it's just weird to me that she does have like what
is wrong with it? And same thing even with the like these people can't
possess these rings. It's like there's people all around the universe that have powerful
like I woulday it just didn't track for the I wish he got rid of
her for a different reason, like maybe the reverse of she wasn't like bloodlust
enough. I don't know because I forgot to mention. There was a scene
I did really like where when he takes the dog away and it showed him
being like, oh yeah, like really crucial, like our cruel on her,
like oh yeah, this is made for fighting in battle. It shouldn't
be loved and we have to take things away. So I was liking,
and I guess I just there's a disconnect on why he cast her out and
then why he was upset with her at the end. It didn't it didn't
make a perfect line. It's it's it's a god butt is it what?
He's an old crackpots in your death. You know, we saw him getting
ready for this. I wish they went back there in the Island. That's
where the same c g I, but it's live action. They cut it's
it's like Roger Rabbit situation where they're not this live action lot and the characters
are just like wireframes, like they're not even animated. Probably what if,
but yeah, what if. I I really did enjoy this episode though,
I think aside from that Odin thing, this was this is pretty cool to
see. I liked how hell I got redeemed and just became this powerful force
of light and just her teaming up with with the Mandarin, so many cool
things that were just coming out of this and then stopping than ouse and when
I thought it was really really cool. So I would love to see this
Hella got ess of life return in the future at some point with when we
I think it would be really really cool. And my favorite thing too,
is that they didn't unveil the mystery of the rings in this episode. They
still kept it pretty mysterious. They just said, like, oh, it's
a power from somewhere else. And I'm glad they did that because I want
to save that for whenever we get Sung Chi back on screen and we get
Bruce Banner back in there. Yeah yeah, fuck, So the save it
for the big screen reveal because I feel like there's something that they're still hiding
and I'm happy about that. So, and she's gonna fucking die before we
get the big screen reveal. My god, if all these other movies bomb,
it's Hammertech. That's what they're building up. It's called The Ex Wife.
Yeah, anything else thumbs up for me? Yeah, one thumb up?
Wait was that thumbs dilner? Thumb uh? One thumb Okay, I
thought I heard a like I said, I have two episodes that aren't and
then everything else is just a nice clean thumber Yeah and a half half or
all right, we got We're on our final two episodes here. So the
penultimate episode what If the Avengers assembled in sixteen o two after being transported to
the Renaissance Theme Universe by Wanda Merlin, Captain Carter agrees to help her and
Sir Nicholas Fury upon learning of the appendant encouragion. Nicholas sometime later, as
tears open She saves Prince Loki from being pulled into it, but is unable
to save Queen Hella. Carter is hunted down by Sir Harold, the Happy
Hogan, and the Royal Yellow Jackets under the King thors new orders. They
meet some outlaws Bucky Barnes, Scott Lang and of course Steve Rogers. They
fight the Freak again, they fight the Destroyer. A bunch of things going
on here, and at the end there's some things revealed. There's a big
reveal of Cap and then the doctor Rinch also comes to recruit her as he
did in the previous episode, and you go, oh, what's what's going
on here? So you know what you think about this episode? My god,
what a fun time. I love this episode. This is kind of
on that tier of the Zombies episode for me in terms of just being like,
this such a wild scenario to throw all these characters in, and there's
not really much logic for like why some of these characters are here or these
versions of them. But to me, it just kind of feels like a
D and D campaign where it's like, Okay, who's Steve Rogers gonna play
in this campaign? And he just picks like this kind of Warriors three type
along with these other two. So every minute I feel like just had some
reveal of Oh, like here's Red Skull, it's just like an executioner.
I love that. Or here's like, yeah, this army of yellow jackets
that Happy's shooting out of his blunderbus. Like all these scenarios are just so
fun and silly and like kind of stupid and like the best way possible.
So yeah, I think, to me, this is uh, maybe the
top episode of the season. This is kind of like the highlight, the
standout for me. And yeah, it's just because you get so many characters
in there, you get so many fun scenarios, and then like the actual
journey of it is pretty fun as well. So yeah, just from start
to finish shot this is a really good time. Yes, I also enjoyed
this. I definitely got the D and D vibes from it. It was
just so cool to see like the characters that we know in love with just
like those old timey medieval aesthetics to it, Like seeing Cap with just a
straight up like kite shield. That's just that's just such a great look and
not one that I ever thought I would see but man, it looks sweet
and having just like different characters like maybe like versus different characters like like like
like what you said, It's just it's so random having like happy Hogan shooting
yellow jackets out of his bunderbuss. But what a fun time it is.
It definitely this this one really just feels not even so much like a what
if scenario. It's just like a whole different idea of a show. Like
you have these these characters from the MCU, but it's just it's nothing like
the MCU by any means, but they still were able to I think maybe
like tweaks on people's powers, like having Wanda as like this Merlin type character
like with her her wizard powers. That was just really sweet to see.
And yeah, I just I just love the whole aesthetic of the medieval time.
So this is definitely a higher one on my list for sure. Yeah,
this episode totally caught me off guard. I I loved that. I
love the robin Hood vibes, the Renaissance to Shakespeare and just so many different
elements combining in. I was laughing so hard just getting to see these like
low key literally a low key low key just like into his like drama and
esque stuff, and just so many different things were just really really enjoyable,
and I would totally take a live action version of this. It's just this
might be just this might just be my favorite. Well, we'll get to
the ranking stuff there. I just I was just blown away by this.
There were so many cool things, and like you said, Dylan, just
the small like quality of life note like character notices like red Skull being in
there, like the yellow jacket, like for the crown, like like troops
and stuff like that. There's so many cool little things that I really really
do appreciate. So it was just a fun EMCU not even Avengers, but
MCU filled episode with so many different things, and I think most most MCU
fans would really just enjoy this and just enjoyed watching it like a few times
and nitpicking, just like seeing oh this is cool, this is neat,
Oh this is another cool factor brought in that I missed the first time.
So I thought it was great. And it of course it caps off with
Peggy and Steve Rogers kind of send off here as well after we got one
before, so she's just getting the fucking shittiest end of the shittiest stick so
the ronin end uh yeah, No. I really liked that. That was
like a very fun reveal the whole time because it was odd where it's like,
Okay, why is cap why is he like this? Because it never
makes like he's always skinny if he's not in from that era, right,
and what a like I have? That was a mind blowing moment for me.
And like he says like, yeah, the Peggy my world's dead,
so it's like you're leaving all this stuff. It's like, oh man,
he's like our cat from six one six, you know, like if and
we remember we talked what we saw the Infinity War moment in the trailer.
We're like, okay, what like what is that what if moment gonna be?
And that to me was like maybe my favorite like what if twist?
He was like, oh, this is really clever, well done, scream
can you move something like two inches? How could it change? Yea much?
Right? And that's where it's like it's probably you got this different universe
and then you have a Captain Carter from a different universe here, and then
you have a Captain America from a different universe here. So it's like that
great multiverse stuff where it's like, oh, yeah, this is when it's
singing and yeah, no, I think Dylan had the right comparison with zombies.
It's just a super fun time. They took a lot of care.
There's lots of good moments in here. My critiques are only minor ones,
but they wouldn't affect my thumb rating. Just like I kind of want a
bit more of Wanda because I think in the trailers made a big deal she
was in here, and I want more there. I did I really understand
why Captain Carter would be the character you'd get to close portals That didn't really
track for me. I was fine with it because it's like, cool,
she's our main character, but it's like why and then I lat what was
my last Oh, it's not a critique, it's something that someone brought up
and I didn't think about this as some of the jue g Ua people.
It's really I'm curious and it's really strange that other than him being like a
zombie and Marvel what if zombies and not even that choke, just that episode,
why is Sam like not and what if? At all? M Like?
Why was like and even though I know it's Paul Rubb, but like,
why, like even more so than Bucky, Like why is Sam not
with that merryman, Like, it's weird that he's not been any of this
season. He was at any last season to being a zombie. It's so
strange. This guy's like the new Captain America. Yeah, and he's like
nowhere to be found in these So I'm hoping in season three he does it
something. But someone brought that up and I was like, yeah, I
guess because this, to me would have been the perfect splotform right to be
a part of that crew, and it was very odd for him not to
be there. And then when I thought back, it's like, yeah,
he's no near. So that was a little bit. You guys brought up
Red Skull's executioner. The l Jackson thing was great. It was weird to
have the happy Hogan tie that he had the freak in him again, so
kind of that that just scares me if like is that a thing they want
to do in live action one day and that's what they're like setting us up
for, Like in Armour Wars, He's gonna turn into the fucking freak and
Rody has to fight him. Like there's a lot of hulks. Now there's
scar like like, I'm not saying it's had the realm of possibility. If
we're gonna get a red, if we're gonna get Harrison Ford looking like a
hulk, they'll definitely make Sean Favreau look like a hulk. So but yeah,
very very good episode, very fun time. This is one where just
like Marvel Zombies, if they were announced, Hey, we're gonna do you
know, uh, you know Avengers sixteen oh two, it's like a mini
series, like great, let's let's get it. I'd love more of it.
So yeah, yeah, I wonder why uh Sam's been sitting on the
bench so much. I mean, I'd have to really go through a list
of like what other care like obvious characters haven't really appeared at on it.
I haven't really rewatched season one recently, so hard for me to remember.
But that does seem like a weird emission. I wonder if it's something of
just the production timeline of these, like maybe they didn't know when things were
releasing, but you feel like Winter Sold, like that show came out so
long ago at this point that you think that that's something they would have prepared,
but even like, you know, I was hoping she huwk would pop
up somewhere in these but maybe just once again with the release state's production time,
they just don't really know when things are released seing in terms of what
reveals they can they can play play on or which characters. Yeah, Like,
there's obviously so much potential for any of these seasons that all all times,
but I guess you know, we're get another season next to next year.
I'm sure have our chance for some of those characters haven't appeared yet.
Yeah. And the other one, especially in next episode two that didn't appear,
was there's no Spindy this season either. We got him a couple of
times in season one, but I forgot that we even got him in season
one. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure I don't think there's like with Marvel
Television Animation. I don't think there's like a oh, you can't use him.
I think, yeah, Marvel can use him. So that was another
because obviously they're doing the show right, they're doing the friendly neighborhood spider Man,
So maybe that was the idea of they didn't want to do too much,
but it's like always take more spider Man. So I just feel like
Tom holmespier Man would have been perfect in this episode two, Like it's fun
some little gesture boy or like some little like like one of those like oh,
you know, I don't know what he would have been, but similar
something to what the fuck is that? Like a little like oh like oh
sire, you know, like a little kind of weakling pathetic guy like a
war or something like that. Yeah, late as the hour, Captain Roger's
you know, like I don't know what's something like that. I also,
you know, just because the Bred think about it and you had that good
list there of like not not plot holes, but just like issues with the
episode. I also felt like Thor in general, just like okay, like
Peggy's been here for like a month or something trying to figure out these wormholes,
can't figure it out, and then he's like it's your fault, like
it throws her. It's like, I don't know if that like one.
Yeah, with her power set, it's not like it's not like she's an
Iron Man type in terms of cracking all these codes. So yeah, it
felt weird to just throw her out and and blame the whole thing when her
didn't really makes it like was he doing sitting on his thrown not doing anything
trying to solve this issue anything else. I mean, I would have been
down if Sam was there, but he wasn't. Even though he wasn't,
I still love that trio. That was so fun to me of of Kat,
Bucky and at Man and Man obviously the very jokey goofball Paul Redd type,
but obviously that that works there. But even like the three of them,
just like robbing that caravan and that's when they find them is a funny
thing to me. Yeah. I loved the look of the Destroyer. I
thought that was so fucking cool, like the armor kind of night version with
like I don't know, all those little golden symbols whatever all around him.
I thought that was so sweet and uh, I guess yeah. My other
question for you guys is, like I'm trying to think back to that Captain
Carter episode in season one. Was there an interaction between her and the Watcher
and the way that in this season she's just talking to the Watcher like the
whole time. Well, it was the finale, right, I think the
finale happens in it. I don't think it was. It's because it's like
all of them from the stories you get together, and they're put together to
like stuck because remember Ultron fights the Watcher, and they're like, yeah,
we need remember Altron fighting the Watcher. But I guess I don't remember the
character. Okay, So she liked him there and I think she meets somebody.
It's like he talks to the group. It's not like a peggy and
like wat to want assembling his guardians of the Multiverse, doesn't he put her
into a timeline that he like he does something. Yeah, he puts her
in. There's there's already that like special like connection I think between the two
of them because he puts her somewhere else. Old timeline is maybe maybe after
rewatched season one day because I was just found by myself not confused by it,
but I was just I was curious why why the Watcher and her were
just had like this team up when he doesn't talk to anyone else. But
also it just seemed like a surprise, like she was like, oh,
I can hear you, you know, and he's like, oh, I
didn't even realize that. So it's like I feel like his power is so
strong that I don't know how that's just bleeding through. It just felt like
something that was kind of a through line of the season for whatever reason,
but wasn't really ever highlighted on. They gonna ge Jeffrey Rush in the MC.
You know what I'm saying. We gotta we gotta have them line there.
Jeffer Rush who plays Barbosa. Okay, I don't know. Yeah,
yeah, you know he can be. He can be in the m C.
He's he's already voices the watch it, right, so he's there.
He's there. Two thumbs. I'll go with a nice uh how about them?
And a half big shiny one A half yeah, two thumbs. I
got two firm thumbs right up for this. The last episode, what if
Strange Supreme interfeared in interview As I was saying it slow, that was me
realizing that's not interfered. But I was already saying it, but they got
me. Uh. Strange Supreme takes and Carter to a sanctum in Infinitorum,
where he reveals that he has been capturing various universe killers to atone for his
past since a Strange ass Carter to assistant capturing an escape farret who fled the
universe when Hydro used the Tesserec to destroy the world. Carter grees in spite
of a watcher's warning. You know, it's like at you don't want to
know what's coming. Next, she encounters Gahara. They explain, and I
now Strange is bringing there. He's a fucked up guy. He's actually capturing
just everybody lo and behold. You would have guessed that he's trying to bring
back Christine. He's trying to bring back his universe. And then pandemonium.
It becomes very multiverse a madness, very much what I think Cigaret Wars is
gonna be. Where they start breaking all these tubes and all these heroes,
villains, whatever you name from this season, from last season, from seasons
maybe in the future people haven't even seen, are just busting out of there
and becomes a multiverse war. They eventually stop Supreme. He kills himself,
but you know it's kind of an off screen you know death. Where is
he? Where is he not? I don't know? And then Carr asks
to show her the multiverse before taking her home. So she does go home,
but yeah, I'll start with doctor es Strange, what do you think
about Strange Supreme being back and you know it's a big favorite here in the
GV community last year or yeah, I just I liked how he started trickling
up into these episodes because like, oh this this fuck her Like he sounds
since here, like what's he up to? And then just him him popping
in and just like the thousands of them whatever, like it's just this the
just the goal to save Christine. I I it's it's it's amazing how and
what he was willing to just spend or compromise what would be the word for
that sacrifice. I guess I'm trying to say, Yeah, it's what he's
willing the sacrifice just to save her. And I always find it fascinating because
this is is such a simple narrative, but you can change it up different
in different ways. And I just say that because of what we've seen in
Multiverse of Madness and how you have all these really fucked up uh doctor Strange's
and and sid and just I always love seeing how you have the one who's
the Sorcerer Supreme and you have other ones that aren't and all these different SOMs
that have used like the what was the book called I can't remember the Dark
Dark Hold, the Dark Hold. Yeah, so there's just so many different
versions, and I really find that just to be so intriguing of a character
because of what he's capable of, and just how he's just supposed to be
like sort of like our gateway into the multiverse, at least in the live
action I'm see you way, because maybe it's just because we get the Multiverse
of Madness movie, but just what he's doing in this episode is so fucked
up. And again we get to see him like do his like shape shifting
a bit, and just yeah, his when he whips out like the the
fucking Armies of Annubis forms just you know, thousands of them. It's just
seen that before verse. It's just he's he's so such a cool, cool
villain. And I do hope that he does come back. I really really
do. Seeing uh Kahori come into play here with Captain Carter and especially them
they squared off for a little bit there, but just seeing them team up
and just like bringing you up to speed and like the Forge and all this
fucked up ship that's going on, and yeah, I just I think it's
it's interesting. But again, like we talked about earlier. I do feel
like this shouldn't have just been a right to English because the doctor Strange just
like give her like here's all like the psychre text on English. Yeah,
yeah, so I wish I wish they handled that a little bit better.
But this just this felt like a finale. It felt like it was just
like fucking Balls of the Walls one hundred high octane after everything that we've had
and just kind of like bringing in all like certain things that we've seen so
far to yea. So I really really enjoyed it. Yeah, I'm curious
who's gonna go next. I'll go, oh, because Taylor said something that
I'm about wanting to see him again, So I'm gonna say, yeah,
I love this episode. I think this was a I thought it was very
well done. I was happy for a Strange to prove to come back and
be like, oh yeah, I'm help because like it works where he started
very shady, but at the end of the season he had that art,
but it was more just like he busted out just to like help them,
you know, to get out of that ball thing, and like he's he
used to like I won't say good, but like That's why I like,
like, even in these minor episodes last season, he was always layer.
There's always something to him. So I was like, oh, this feels
very kind of generic. It's like, I don't want this to just be
strange, and like, sure, it is just saving Christine again, but
like that's just some of the best motivations for villains, just like this one
simple thing that we can relate to. Right with Fantas was solving all this.
He says like, oh, wouldn't you do everything to bring Steve back?
And that's the difference where said no, I wouldn't, and see wouldn't
want me to. So I liked the fake out. I like the setup.
I love the action of all these characters coming in. I thought it
was finale worthy. I think I even like it a bit more than last
finale. I think this goes back to kind Tayasan and also me and Dylan
when we did that newscast a couple of weeks ago, and we're talking about
what they should do with the Kang situation, and like, if you pluck
him out, what do you do. I don't think they will do it,
but I think they should be sitting in a room right now, and
the best replacement This episode convinced me before Kang is just to use Strange Supreme
because with whether you got Multiverse amanis them saying, oh, you're the biggest
threat to the multiverse. We met that evil doctor Strange. There, you
have this, you have all these ties, and I think it would work
if you get Bendick. You can even kill off our doctor Strange and bring
in this one. I don't think they will, but that's what I'm putting
in the universe, Like that's what I want if they don't recast Kang.
Strange Supreme is like he's right there, and it doesn't even feel like a
pivot. It feels like stuff they've already set up in multiple avenues. Like
he feels more set up than Kang does with multi Verse amnnas this season,
last season. And even if it is just bringing back Christine, it's like
they've had like Loki was taking over New York to get his father's love,
you know, like they like they've had villains that of Avengers levels have these
minor ideas. So after this episode, I say, man, this is
who I want to be the Secret Wars villain. I don't think it will
happen. I think they'll just go They'll go to Beyonder and say it's Kang
or whatever. But this is that's my hope, maybe that we get that
multiverse a Mannas three. But I'm with you, Taylor that I want to
see it. But that's my pitch that I think that's who they should that's
the break last. Don't go back to kingg. Get Strange Supreme, get
Bennet Cumberbatch to be a fucking villain and like let's go. So that that's
my pitch with this episode. Absolutely I loved it, had a great time
with it. So yeah, I I love your pitch. I hope it
happens. I'll do my little prayer tonight. I feel like the thing with
Little Prayer with Yeah, I feel like the thing with Strange Supreme is that
he's like he still has as that that uh that like I don't know,
comforting tone, maybe that like doctor Strange has where he doesn't feel like a
villain. But fuck, when you look at him, it's like, man,
that that guy, that guy's been through shit and like those eyes like
the fucking dead heights. That's how I feel looking at him. And just
like even in the previous episode when he's talking to Peggy, Like I kind
of had to remind myself. I'm like, man, he just has like
demons literally inside of him that he's just like in golf, Like this guy
is not like he is not all good or anything like that. Like it's
definitely he has that charming smile and demeanor when he talks to like a friend
or something. But I I think just having like the history that went on
last season carrying into here, it's just man, he's such a such a
complex character. And I I really am happy that they did the evil turn
for this finale, just it's it seemed like it was warranted and seem like
it was just an a nothing villain or anything like that. As you said,
Trav is like his his motivation, and it's a very human like motivation.
He just wants his love one back and this has just been like haunting
at him for all this time, and he's finally doing like the ultimate like
the ultimate plan essentially just to sacrifice all these people just to get his world
back, his Christine back. So I loved all that set up. I
love the location of what was it called the Sanctum Infinite infinite Infinitorum, I
think Infinitorum. Yeah, it was just a really really cool place to have
this giant war. It seemed like the Minds of Maria where it just went
on like forever. Even when Kohori I think that was her name, was
like running through like super fast Quicksilver style, it just seemed like it never
was ending. And there's so many characters just interacting there. I love like
the main chamber and everything so all. I really just love this finale.
I thought it was really really solid. I think it's on par maybe even
better than the last last season's finale. And yeah, I definitely loved what
you pitch. I love seeing just Strange going through all of his different forms.
He feels so powerful, and I feel like it can be tricky,
especially when you have all these characters like Gift Captain Carter, who's already wearing
this like infinity armor with all the stones. Now she is like Hella's helmet
all of these weapons and everything. You have Gohory with all all of her
weapons that have been gifted, and Strange is like still kind of like holding
on. Obviously he's going like Dragon form by that point, but I don't
know, it just it felt like it made sense. It's not just like
how the fuck is this character still alive, you know, like throwing on
near at his head like it just it felt like it. It worked.
So Yeah, I really really really like this family. I like the villain
and yeah, just liked all of it. Really really emotional end with Steve
there with the time Stone. I like how that was kind of plucked from
Infinity War there, like that version with the Wakanda shields and everything. Just
a really cool look, so it was cool to have that back. Yeah,
I guess I'm gonna be the contrarian here on this one. But yeah,
this this episode really didn't work for me. I think there's a few
reasons why I want is. I didn't feel like like this is such a
huge event. There's so many characters in here in this the scale and scope
of it is huge, But I didn't really feel like it was kind of
earned. It felt like we just randomly went here, and yes, you
have the thing where he scoops Captain Carter out of the end of that episode.
In Kahti, we talked about how they grabs her from her timeline,
but like, I didn't really feel like we were building up to this.
Uh, this felt like such a huge, huge stakes and all that.
I also, I just don't really get his plan, Like he's capturing all
these people, uh, and then and then what like he's gonna like create
a new timeline or what was his plan exactly? How is he gonna like
re resurgence his universe or something like that? But like what's that? So
he he can't do the plan because Khati is like stuck in this She's like
running around this icy field and he needs he's captured all these villains and stuff,
but like he can't get her in this field, so he sends Carter
Like it just felt weird. It doesn't really make any sense to me,
Like why why what his plan? Why can't he do his plan until he
captures her? I guess because she could like stop him or something. I
don't know. It doesn't work for me. It doesn't really plot wise,
doesn't really make any sense. And then I think for me, just like
we get the moment where everyone's breaking out of their little orbs here and you
have these fights that are going on, but they're all like all in the
background, and I feel like we don't actually really get any fun scenarios,
Like I kind of pause and was trying to look at stuff going on in
the background, like one of them like Star Wars just there and he just
like he's standing like a fucking mannequin, just like shoots a couple of shots
off, Like none of it's very exciting. And you get a couple like
cool looking versions of characters, but nothing actually fun happens, and you don't
like talk to any of them. There's no like character beats between them.
They're just kind of there. You get like the moment with Wanda being kind
of the zombie goddess, and that's sort of fun, but other than that,
there's not really too many exciting things going on. And then particularly just
the battle at the end with COHORTI keeps saying her name differently, but I
don't know how it's pronounced. And and Carter and they're like standing on this
platform and it's just I swear, like fifteen minutes of just them like shooting
beams at Strange and they're and he's shooting beams at them. There's a lot
of beams and like, don't get me wrong, I love a good beam,
but it was a lot of beams and then all the dialogue from Strange
is like I'm gonna kill you, You're gonna lose, Like it's all just
super generic dialogue. So I just feel like it was Maybe it was.
It's this huge thing and it should be, but itn't really felt built up
to. And then just the execution to me was was really weak in this
episode. So there's a couple of cool moments, of course, because you
get all these characters and whatnot, But for the most part, I was
pretty disappointed with this. It didn't really conclude the season in a nice way
for me. I like the moment with Captain Carter at the end. That's
nice for her character, but the Strange stuff was kind of a flop for
me, unfortunately. But I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. Yeah, anything
else on this episode, I don't think so. All right. I love
Killmonger's armor by the way, with the yeah sweet ye a fun little camera
to get him easily. She just removed him from his armor too. Oh
yeah he got destroyed, yeah big season one and then yeah he got rown
and you got fan hose by Ultron. So yeah, I don't know if
I that I liked the idea of he goes and snaps when I snaps.
That was cool. But yeah, I'm still two thumbs up for even little
Megan aves. I got thumb down for me. Oh two thumbs two erect
to erect. So there you go, all right, til must give me
your ranking of these episodes. Number nine is Nebula uh the Detective. Number
eight is the Strange Supreme Finale here. Number seven is Cocadi's Origin story.
Number six is Happy Saves Christmas. Number five Hella and the Ten Rings.
Number four is Peter Quill and Ego. Number three is Captain Carter's. Episode
Number two is iron Man on to Car number one Avengers in sixteen O two.
Nice, okay. Starting number nine, I got Peter Quill Attacked Earth
Mighty as Hero. Number eight Carter versus hydro Stopper number seven, Grand Master
episode number six, I got the Novacre episode. Like, I just kind
of deviated the names here. I don't know how accurate they are to the
actual titles, but anyways, Number five I have the The Conquista Door episode
number four, the Strange Supreme Finale. Number three, Hella and the Ten
Rings number two sixteen O two and number one Happy Saves Christmas. That was
that was a great time. I feel like it just really like aligned well
with the Christmas spirit too. I was just still in that mode. So
yeah, that was a fun one for sure. Did that one drop on
Christmas Day? It must have right before, Oh it didn't. It was
Christmas Eve? That fair. We'll get it. You watched all together and
stuff. So I'll go Taylor for the last because you never know. Number
nine Nebula joined the Novacorps. Number eight, Hella found the ten Rings.
Number seven of Cora rehived the world. Number six, Happy Hogan Saves Christmas
Number five. Peter Quill at tax Ers Mice Heroes number four, Kepta Carter
fought the Hydrostomper Number three I R. Man crash into the Grand Master number
two Avengers in sixteen o two and number one. What if Strange Supreme intervened
or interfered, whatever you want to call it, but he's doing something intervened,
interfered, interfering. Oh dare you interfere with my finale? Yeah that'll
be next season three? All right? Number ninees there for a second,
all right, hard to get wet, they get wet? Uh. Peter
Quill attacking rist mighty Zeros nine number nine for you damn Number eight. Nebula
joins the Noble Chorrel Number seven, Captain Carter Carter car tough interfer the cartographer.
You are now Hydrosoffer that's number seven. Number six, Iron Men crashes
into the grand Master number five, happy Hope and saves Christmas. Number four
Hella finds the ten Rings. Number three Gorre reshapes the world. Number two
What if Strange Supreme interfered intervened? Everyone call it number one Avengers assembled in
sixteen oh two. Yeah, here we go, so lazy gentlemen, so
damn s you draft has come to a hall. We're not sure we' gonna
talk about I don't if we're gonna do it next year, because we do
got some shows. We'll see, we got spermin fresh. We'll do it.
Yeah, it will be a more different year. Should include the Sony
verse. I think that would be a fund, be sure, like what
four hundred? Yeah? Alright, So in last place with fifty five points
was taylor Field. You got five for war Machine, twenty five for Gomorra
for the Darnas movie, five for appearance here. You got negative five because
Modoc died, you got a five for Cosmo, you got a and you
got a couple of fives for Howard the Duck, so fifty five for you.
I was third at one seventy five, with Loki getting me an appearance
point and a starring point Captain Marvel's starring point twenty five, star Lord twenty
five and five was with twenty five grow to twenty five drags of twenty five
nothing for Sam Wilson, and then I got three fives from four. Dylan
was second place with one ninety five, twenty five for Nick Fury for Secret
Invasion, five appearance points, twenty five for ant Man, five for an
appearance in What If? Twenty five for Miss Marvel No what of appearance here?
But Monica Rabou twenty five and then he got a nice, juicy end
credit appearance because she was with in the Marvels, right, so you had
that nice and then uh Rocket alsously was a star, so you got twenty
five. Nebula you got two stars because she had her own episode and was
a Guardian's star, so you got one ninety five, and then I guess
Kirkland wins with like an infinite amount if Kang didn't was there. If Kang
wasn't there, he had sixty five. Because other than Kang, you had
a lot of people that did not get votes. You had echoed that got
delayed. You know, I still argue because they did say Loki, they
jumped sixteenth centuries, so I would argue that Kang also died that many times
because you know, he was there. So I'm gonna say it's a flaw.
That's what I'm gonna say. Dylan come People's champion because he you know,
he got the one Night five. But I think I won last year
too, didn't I There you go? So now maybe Sony versuscality. I'm
a two year two years Yeah, good job, Kirklan, And I think
when we do the MC draft wills to do that on there. We should.
Fuck We're gonna have to do that before h echo, so I have
to turn some count. Yeah, that's coming out quick. We also,
yeah, off air, we gotta quickly talk about something about ECO too.
But yeah, we should probably figure out what we're gonna do with the TV
points because you can't have like, let's say, if I pick Wolf Raine
and he's in every X Men episode, you can't have twenty five for each,
right, So we got to figure out for maybe we might have it
with the animated because we got rumored what off season three Spider Man in X
Men ninety seven. Oh and we got I don't think we tell us on
news the Black Amber show coming out to animated show coming out next year.
I didn't hear about that. Yeah, I got announce two weeks ago Eyes
of Wakonda or something like that. So we'll have to talk about what we
could do with the animated ones, because we'll get six one six Wakanda going
on here the same. They haven't said much. There's a little like a
little it's I think it is six one six and I think it's stories about
Wakanda, so it could be yeah, T'Challa Junior or to Chaka, stuff
like that. So yeah, well we'll do that all live on air,
as we always do. So we'll figure that out. But thank you very
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