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Hello, everyone, Welcome back to
the fire Escape Cast. It is episode

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seventy seven. We're getting into getting
close to the eighties. This is always

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a great part of the episode where
I just talk about the numbers in a

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really straightforward way. I wasn't you
remember the eighties? I wasn't here last

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episode. I was. I do
not remember the eighties? Were you alive

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in the eighties? I was a
baby. That's been six years there,

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Yeah, yeah, how was it. I think it's like the six yiares.

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I don't well, I mean,
I guess I don't remember like thirty

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nine and a half years with my
memory, but I definitely don't remember the

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eighties. I remember the nineties pretty
well. You were not sentient in the

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eighties. You were like a lump
of meat, and your parents kept you

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alive. Yeah. I mean,
look, my parents are Mary until I

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was like four and a half,
and I don't remember them ever being married.

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So that cuts off everything up to
like eighty, like June nineteen eighty

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eight. We're right now, probably
about nineteen eighty nine. I don't remember

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anything post divorce. I think,
what's memory? What's your earliest earliest memory?

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Sitting on the floor at my dad's
place, post divorce, playing Super

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Mario Brothers. Sorry every time you
say post divorce some reason in my head,

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I'm finishing your sentence. I don't
remember anything post abortion, and I'm

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like, well you, I'm sorry, I've been tired. I'm i gotta

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just let you finish your se No, divorce is a completely different thing.

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Oh really Yeah, it's like if
you don't remember pre divorce, it's not

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like, uh, it's not like
you're talking about like uh ad you know

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what I mean, Like it's it
doesn't make sense because there was no pre

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divorce for you. It's just yeah, yeah, that's true. It's it's

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just I guess it is like an
ad thing, right, like that's the

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that's the way to timestamp things.
But I guess if I don't have anything

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pre time stamp, it's all just
kind of Yeah. Nineteen ninety is probably

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where I started. It's all a
d for you after two fours. Yeah,

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just like the Bible. Yeah,
it's God intended. I went to

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Catholic school. I remember everything ad
what was When was the golf war?

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And when did Beavis and butt Head
get popular? Golf? Like Persian golf

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was ninety one I think it was. Okay, so that you keep track

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of well, I remember being Dallie
North was doing his thing over in the

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Persian Golf and then Beavis and Butthead
were there. I'm thinking about it earliest

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memories. I remember laying in bed
trying to sleep, and I could hear

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from the living room my dad laughing
at Beavis and Butthead. And I remember

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the Golf War constantly showing up on
CNN, and I didn't know what the

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golf was, and I kept thinking
it was like a golf war. So

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like, I, yes, probably
like ninety one is about when I started

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coming into full consciousness. I think, yeah, Desert Storm was ninety to

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ninety one. Okay, that checks
out, Okay, yeah, yeah,

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So I know I don't remember the
eighties. I don't. I was I

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was nine, uh yeah, nine
when two thousand hit. I was born

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in ninety one, so like,
I sort of remember the nineties. But

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when you're that young, you're not
really participating in the culture all that much

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of the time. Like, yeah, sure, I'm into the TV shows

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that people are watching, playing the
video games, Like I can tell you

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that the video games I was playing, But it's not like I still barely

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consider myself a nineties kid. I
was nine by the time they ended.

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I mainly remember the nineties because I
was old enough, but also I hadn't

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started drinking yet, so like it's
like the perfect decade for me to remember,

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you know, it's like old and
I remembered things too young to be

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drinking. I remember the nineties more
than any other decade. For sure.

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They're coming back. Gen Z's really
into nineties fashion at least the pants,

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yeah, music, and the most
nineties I've ever seen. They're like baggy,

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yeah, like with like a metal
you know, what do you call

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the wall chains? Wallet chains?
Yeah? See, that was that was

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the thing in high school. Like
everyone had Jenko's and wallet chains. But

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like I was always way too much
of a coward to like participate in the

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trends because I thought I would do
it wrong. So like my entire goal

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was just like what can I do
to make sure no one notices me in

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any way good or bad, Not
like ooh, Dan's got cool pants or

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oh what the hell is Dan wearing? I just wanted to blend in and

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not be noticed at all. So
I never I don't think I ever bought

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a piece of clothing that was like
in style. You know, yeah,

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I've been like holding off on getting
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I'm still holding pretty fast to like
twenty tens fashion, and I think

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it's going all right. But if
you asked like a twenty five year old,

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they would probably disagree. What is
like timeless fashion jeans? Well,

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but it depends on what kind,
right, because like Jenko's sorry, like

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wide leg baggy jeans are in right
now, skinny jeans are out. But

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if you asked ten years ago,
you would wear skinny jeans and then flared

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jeans, which were like popular in
like the sixties seventies. Those are back

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to now, baby, So like
if we're we're back into flares as well.

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Is that the same as bell bottoms
splare jeans? Sure, but those

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are two different like scopes. Bell
bottoms are like massive where they cover your

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foot and everything, whereas like you
could have a flare that's like almost like

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a boot cut. So many different
types of jeans. Like what's weird is

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that if you talk to kids now, it's funny because I was like just

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hanging out with a bunch of people
who had kids and they were telling me

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about all the styles that are in
right now. They will tell you to

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your face if you wear skinny jeans, those are for moms, like skinny

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jeans, or for moms. Don't
wear skinny jeans. We wear baggy pants

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and we drink Prime and we it's
just crazy like to see like the trends.

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But yeah, skinny jeans are aged
now. Baby. So when I

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hear mom jeans, I think of
like, you know, the kind of

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like they're pulled up to like your
belly button, and they're like they like

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round the ass, you know,
Like, is that not? Are those

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not mom jeans anymore? Do those
not exist? High waisted jeans are in

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style, But in terms of that
specific kind of the ones you just described,

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no, they're not in style.
You're correct, But like high waisted

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genes are a big thing right now. I'll never go back. I will

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not go back to low rise jeans
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won't do it. I'm here now, I'm getting off the style train,

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and I will just look a fool. I don't care if I look like

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a mom, that's fine, I
accept it. I won't go back.

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But yeah, right now, you
could still have high waisted jeans, but

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they have to be baggy. And
like the other day, I went shopping

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at like kind of a trendy g
like they call it denim, right,

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like when it's a when it's a
trendy store and they want to charge one

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hundred dollars, it's you're paying for
denim, not jeans. And the denim

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was high. The cutoff like where
the gene ends was high, like almost

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bottom. Yeah, it's like where
your shin is and you can see your

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whole ankle in like some of your
leg And I was like it, just

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like these are high waters, like
they look. I would beat a kid

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up for wearing this kind of thing
in like middle school because I used to

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beat up kids for their clothes all
the time. And I got beat up

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for wearing high waters. Yeah,
and the lady was like a lady was

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like, oh no, this is
all the rage. You want them high

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like this, And I was like, I just can't do it. And

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I wanted to, like I went
to this trendy store to make sure I

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was on trend, and I was
like, I'm out. I just can't.

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I don't want to wear shoes.
I don't want to wear pants that

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are that high off the ground.
It was weird. So how does this

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like, how does that happen?
How do how do trends? Like is

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it just like one influence, like
oh, Kim Kardashian started wearing these tall

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jeans and now everybody's doing it or
is it just like a cultural ship that

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happens without any rhyme or race see
Double Wear's product. No, okay,

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first of all, you should wear
You should watch devil Wears Product's a really

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fucking good movie. But there's a
really iconic scene in it where who's who's

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the devil in Devil's Wears product street? Yes, Oh my gosh, she's

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so amazing. Okay, and Devil's
Wars Product there was like Glenn Close,

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it's always I think it's Meryl Streep, It's Meryl Shape. And uh,

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she's like looking at all these different
sweaters and her the person she's like training,

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she's a kind of new scoff setter
because she's like, oh, no,

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we need something that's lapis or whatever. And they were like and and

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the girl laughs and she goes,
why are you laughing? And she's like,

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well, because these are all blue. It's all the same, and

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Meryl Streep fucking ends this stupid bitch
in front of everybody, and this is

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like a family friendly movie, and
it was a death on camera. And

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she goes, you have no idea
that the sweater you're wearing, it's not

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Crulian, it's not Lapis, and
she gives it a very specific color and

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she goes, that's from like the
nineteen ninety six collection by this guy,

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and he came up with this color
and everybody thought it was amazing, and

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so it became the trend of summer
of nineteen ninety six, and then everybody

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wore it, and then over time
it made its way from the high end

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stores to the regular department stores and
then eventually into some sad sales bin which

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you fished it out of and now
you wear it and you think that what

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you're wearing doesn't matter. But they
decided it a decade ago. And I

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think she's fucking amazing, but I
also think she's right, which is like

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fashion people from like Paris Fashion Week, they decide fashion trends like now,

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and then over time it trickles down
into like average people's spaces and we get

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to find out what's trending like years
later when we can afford it. But

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it's like it's kind of like a
cyclical effect that carries its way down.

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But there is also cultural effects,
like the fact that all these kids are

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super into resale now and I used
to didn't. That wasn't a thing when

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I was a kid. I've always
yeah, resale, like back in my

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day was like something that people who
like, you know, if you couldn't

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ford name brand clothes, that's what
you did. But the kids today,

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they've turned resale and thrifting into like
a really fun hunt. And because the

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nineties are back, you can get
a really sick outfit for a pretty reasonable

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cost thrifting, And so I think
thrifting is altering culture as well. Now

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it's also but like the last thing
I'll say is I think people don't want

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to wear what their parents wear,
so then they start doing like the opposite,

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and then things that were not in
style ours are all of a sudden

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in style and whatnot. I mean
like that's the same thing with food,

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beer, wine, anything like service
industry is similar to I was kind of

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thinking about this recently because I've got
a cousin and she's probably like somewhere in

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the teens. She's like in junior
higher high school, and I noticed,

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like when I go back, she's
always wearing Nirvana shirts. And I follow

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her on Instagram and like she's always
posting like Nirvana stuff and everything. And

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I thought today, I think I
saw one of her stories pop up,

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and I was like, god,
damn, Like her being into like Nirvana

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in twenty twenty four is probably like
me wearing Zeppelin shirts. And I no,

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but it's crazy to think of that
because I remember, yea, that's

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just what happens when you get old, I guess. But like, it

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is crazy to think about bands that
you remember when they had new albums coming

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out being like, oh shit,
yeah, that person wearing appetype for Destruction

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shirt that's their LEDs up and poor
or whatever. Like that's that's kind of

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crazy. It's all cyclical, and
I think that is fair. But I

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don't think you can underestimate what Mike
said, which is nobody wants to dress

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like their fucking mom or dad.
And I think like the real cursor here

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is that, like whatever your parents
are probably rocking, you have to you

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have to mix it up, right, Like you have to update your look

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somehow and and break the mold.
And so I think that really presses the

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kids to be like, if my
mom is wearing skinny jeans, that is

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no longer cool, and I am
going with these high water baggy is fuck

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pants that I think look dumb as
hell, and I won't do it.

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I won't do it. I don't
care if that's what all the thirteen year

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olds are doing. I don't care. I'm glad I'm not at risk of

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dressing like my dad because I don't
have enough cigarette reward points or casino comps

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to get his free shirts that he
wears. Oh, Mike, did I

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send you the thing? Yeah?
I sent you the text he sent me.

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Right about the toilet paper? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know

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about his his gig to steal toilet
paper, right? I saw it on

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Instagram? Yeah, I saw to
hear it's it's batshit. Send him two

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hundred and two hundred rolls of the
cheapest, literally, the cheapest toilet paper

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I could find on Amazon. I
spent time trying to make sure his quantity

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was funnier to me than anything.
So I just bought. I sent two

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hundred rolls to his house, and
he sent me a text like two days

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later being like, oh man,
I feel like I feel like Mike Maherty

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with his fancy pants. Toilet paper
is two ply toilet paper to ply.

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That's his bar for sophistication is to
ply butt shake clean because it's the cheapest

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way to go. Also, he
has no idea what he's talking about,

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because Bianca bottom a bunch of toilet
paper three years ago for Christmas that he's

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still using, and that was definitely
better than two plies. She got an

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actual good stuff. And I think
he just assumes this is fainancy. And

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that's what I cannot believe that a
gift for your dad includes toilet paper and

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water, just like the basic necessities
of life. And he's just like,

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well, well well Ladi dah,
yeah, I'm a fancy guy, now

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look at this. That's that is
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fun of me for like justifiable things
of like me being a bit too high

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brow about something one thing or another. But other times you use, Mike,

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is it like forty I don't know
wine labels, it's just wine labels

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that squirts out one. My ass
has a different taste than my mouth does,

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and your ass palette is really refined, working on it. It's getting

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better. It's still really into like
like Oakie Chardonnais, and we're trying to

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move past that. A lot of
residual sugar wines. I don't know,

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but I have to have someone come
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a week. Mary. Back to
what you said about like, you know,

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you're fine, you know, dressing
like a mom or whatever. Like

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I feel like, as you get
older, isn't that the more like,

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uh gracious, graceful way to dress
as we all get older? Is like,

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rather than trying to wear what the
kids are wearing, isn't it the

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more graceful thing to just like wear
age appropriate clothes, Like isn't that like

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that's probably the way to go,
right. I mean, you can't get

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away forever. And I'm not gonna
get away with wearing Djenkos, Like even

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if I do it, I don't
think the kids are gonna be like,

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you know, hardly been kissed or
whatever, it never been kissed where they're

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gonna think I like, you know, missed the bus to middle school,

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like that ship has sailed. I'm
not getting away with anything. I just

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look stupid. I'm showing up to
Portland like in the Fall or sometime wearing

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Jenkos. I'm gonna get my first
pair of Jenko's in twenty twenty four.

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I would look weirdest in them of
all three of us, so stupid in

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Shakos, Like I know I do
look stupider. He don't, don't cut

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me shortier. I think I think
I would look stupider. Have some ba

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I wear on top of those net
tank top like the ones where you can

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see through them, like a cross
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I'm gonna get the shell necklace.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

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yeah. I went to I went
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a couple of weeks ago. It
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to dress like we would in the
nineties, and I did the craft so

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like black skirt like fish nets,
blacktop, and like I thought I had,

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I had really gone for it.
But there was a girl wearing like

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really wide leg pants that we used
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shell necklace, and I was like, a she did it, she really

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went to it. I feel like
I remember a bunch of dudes wearing that

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when I was nice? Was that
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I think it was like a thing
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the girls. And oh wow,
sure, fucking deep, I know,

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because you know that's how you anymore? Here he goes again, before we

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episode Every time, my wife and
I talk about this all the time.

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Whatever happened to the chival risks,
give your puka shell necklace to your girlfriend?

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Whatever happened to that? Is that
so hard pull a chair out for

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a woman? Give her a pukahell
necklace? No? But I mean it's

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the Seinfeld bit too. In season
three or whatever, where uh god,

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how does the plot work there?
George is trying to sell all his dad's

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old Cabana shirts to the thrift store
because he doesn't think he's ever gonna use

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him again, and then they decide
to go on a cruise and then he

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needs them, but Kramer accidentally led
a moth into the box and ate it

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all. But Jerry that they were
still doing the They were still opening episodes

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with the stand up at that point, so it must have been season five

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or before, because uh, Jerry's
doing like you ever notice how like men

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or like specifically Dad's, you could
tell what was the best decade of their

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life because they still just they just
dressed like that the rest of their life.

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So you could pinpoint like which guy
really liked the seventies or which guy

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really liked the nineties, because that's
still how he dresses when he's seventy five.

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I'm probably gonna keep dressing the way
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because sometimes I wear something that I
would not think I would be comfortable,

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and then all of a sudden,
it's like, man, this might I

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need to get like six more of
these from my wardrobe. I found it

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easiest in college because I never knew
what to do in anytime I tried to

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actually like get something nice, it
never worked or felt right. So I

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just switched to like the all band
T shirt all the time thing. So

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it's nothing but Zeppelin stones, you
know, just old bands. Did that

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from maybe oh three to twenty,
probably several years into Giant Bombs, so

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probably like fifteen years. I would
say I just did that. And then

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as certain points like okay, it
seems like like flannels and just like just

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nice just plain colored shirts and colored
shirts. But that seems like a fairly

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like I don't know if timeless is
the word, but like it's safe.

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It's safe just to like wear a
nice flannel shirts. Yeah. I don't

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think like button down Oxfords are ever
going to go super out of style.

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I'm sure like kids see me and
they think I look like I'm thirty two,

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but I still wear those quite often. The Okay, actually, here's

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here's the thing. And I will
credit Amando with this because she's definitely she

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encourages me to like try something new
if I want to do it. I've

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very much jumped on the like Tony
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Like uh, like the short sleeve
button downs. It's not a shirt

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that says the sopranos, it's the
Tony Soprano wardrobe. Yes, is this

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similar to the Larry David wardrobe?
Uh no, he's cause he does button

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down like Polo's. No, not
Polos specifically, like those nineteen fifty styles

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like like kind of like light billowy
button down shirts with like vertical stripes.

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Oh okay, oh these are nice. Yeah, I just searched Tony soprano

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shirt. Lots of good options here. Wow. Yeah, So like I've

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I have like twelve more of those
in my closet than I did two years

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ago. In the summer, They're
like the most comfortable thing to wear.

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They're not quite Tommy Bahama shirts.
They're not tropical, but like material wise,

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they might as well be. Or
like yeah those those like again,

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I think like it's almost like at
the nineteen fifty style came back when The

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Sopranos was in fashion and then everybody
watched it, and everybody who watched it

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in what twenty twenty was the Sopranos
biggest year ever, and I think it's

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still huge on Max. I think
that has definitely influenced it. I feel

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like I feel like there is a
crossover there. Take a look in the

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discord, like what do you you
would call this a Tony Soprano shirt?

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Right? Like I feel like yes, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah

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yeahah yeah. So like early two
thousands HBO Dad shirt, Larry David Tony

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Soprano? Yeah, yes, like
the same person. Wait, which one

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is Mike? More like uhrano?
Yeah? Because I don't think Larry David

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would come to Portland to murder me, yeah, paper Trail, he wouldn't.

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He would. Let's go down the
line here. So Mike is more

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Tony soprano. Absolutely, I'm which
one of my closer to You're Larry David.

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Yeah, absolutely, You're not as
as he is, but yes,

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neurotic. Yeah, you're the George
Castanza I think of the group. Okay

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and Mary, uh wait, we
did this like two episodes ago, didn't

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we, Larry David or Tony Soprano? We did this? Yeah, yeah,

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Mary's more of a Tony soprano.
Yeah, so I'm the I'm the

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one Larry David. Okay, I
think so. Oh absolutely, Jake,

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Jake might be more of a Larry
David. I could see it. There

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has to be a certain amount of
terrible danger in violence and Tony soprano,

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and I can see that out of
both you. Yeah, I'm harmless.

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I've seen Mary literally get in fights
with Jersey moms in New York, so

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like that's something Tony does quite off
here the show from New Jersey, and

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like half the episodes of the Sopranos
started it. Larry's always getting into fights

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for their verbal I don't really get
into either. I don't get into physical

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or verbal fights. Yeah, I'm
finding my own fucking business. If somebody

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gets in my face, that's on
them. I'm just sitting here, live

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in my life. Don't get in
my face, and I won't fucking threaten

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you. I don't see this problem. I don't understand why I'm the aggressor

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in these situations. Yeah, we
I think you you you calm down when

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you need it to that night,
largely because I literally carried you away from

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the argument picked me up. I
always forget with this story where that I

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was in the room right, What
was I doing the sometime busy though we

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had like a bunch of people,
this is a meet up, I was

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probably Yeah, Mary was in the
bathroom and like this woman who h was

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just like trying to barge into the
door, and it was a one person

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bathroom, and Mary kept saying,
hey, it's locked, I'm in here,

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and I think the she was just
based on evidence later, I think

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she was just pretty drunk, the
woman, not Mary, And yeah,

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I would say, trying to barge
in. And then Mary came out and

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I didn't see any of that happen. All I saw was I look over

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after going to talk to Amanda and
Jake or someone, and I see Mary,

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like clearly on some sort of mission
and angry coming out of the bathroom,

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which was enough to give me pause
or at least like alarm me a

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bit. And I saw her just
like scan the room, see the table,

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and storm over there, at which
point I started already following her to

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make sure nothing terrible was happening.
And then they started just jawing, chirping,

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because what's crazy is like I again, I didn't do anything at that

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point, and I just said,
you have to wait your turn. That's

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just how bathrooms work. I think
we're all old enough to understand what a

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line is, and I expect you
to wait in it like everybody else does,

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so that you can pee when it's
your time. And like usually when

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you tell someone like you have to
wait, you can't just come into the

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bathroom when someone's using it. Usually
the person would be like, oh my

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god, how embarrassing. I didn't
know, and I would be laz fine.

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She was like, what did she
say to me? I was kind

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of I was kind of lit too, so like she but she looked at

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me and she goes, she goes, oh, you're gonna come at me.

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You're gonna come at me, And
I was like, yeah, I

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a fuck. And that's when it
lit like she just wouldn't let it go

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then I and then I was like
I'll kill you. Her husband and like

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sixteen year old son were both embarrassed. Yeah, they were like I get

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the sense that that's either not the
first time that had happened, or something

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like public had happened for them,
or that whole night she had been maybe

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you know there's that one. There's
the airport guy that I forgot what the

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whole deal was there, but there's
almost a fighter the airport. What was

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Yeah, yeah, and he was
like trying to enjoy my dinner and I

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was like, oh are you trying
to enjoy your fucking dinner? And airport?

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The conflict follows you. I get
really annoyed when people are just full

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volume meetings, calls or whatever.
Marry do you take Yeah, I mean

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that's not as bad as like,
I'm okay. He was like trying to

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eat his dry ass steak and a
fucking clam bake earrant. It's so stupid.

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And his stupid wife was sitting there, she was obviously embarrassed to trying

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and enjoy her soup, Like you're
not going to have a very romantic dinner

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in this experience, like just eat
your stupid food, do you Guys?

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Being married to someone who's constantly doing
that thing where they're like causing trouble and

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get into fights and just dramas like
that would just be like non stop.

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Like I feel like you would never
be able to just relax. Yeah,

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you should. They they should seek
therapy, you know. I think that

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would be important because if they're angry
that much, that would be a problem

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for the marriage. I think I
wouldn't want to be around someone like that.

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No constantly, yeah, yeah,
yeah, every once in a while,

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I think confrontation is called for,
But yeah, when it's just a

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constant thing, it's like, oh
man, this person's seeking it out.

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Man. I I I pride myself
on the diffusing. I think it's a

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good it's a good trait to have. It keeps you out of travel,

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it keeps you out of fights.
It's like, yeah, I escalate and

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I I show I. Uh,
I just go all in and hope that

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that results in fear. If I
wasn't a podcaster or maybe I would have

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been a cop Nixon loving cop over
here. Yeah checks out. Yeah,

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Like I don't know. I think
about it, Like, you know,

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I think back at times like in
college where it's like I I distinctly remember

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a couple of times like walking with
drinks, you know, I bought some

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people drinks and walking back to the
table or whatever, and some drunk iy

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like you know, will like bump
into me and he caused like the spill

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or whatever and it got on him
or whatever. He turns around, yeah,

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but he's like obviously some like big
drunk ass frat guy or something,

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and it's like turns around with it
like oh d like obviously Logically in my

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head, hey this is your problem, buddy, this is you know,

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like but like what is the fucking
what is there to be gained by being

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like no, you fucking did it? Like and then I get punched in

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the face, and then's the whole
thing just fucking be like hey, yeah,

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sorry, man, yeah my body
is. I'm sorry. Let's build

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it way that it's the adult way
time. I don't give a shit.

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I have no pride in that,
Like I don't have any kind of like

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I got approve that. I nope, nope, I just it's not a

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pride thing. I would like to
clarify. I think it's a mouth thing.

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My issue is that if I feel
disrespected before I've processed what is happening,

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I will be like, well,
that's fucking stupid, and then I

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will like and then they will react
to me, and I will go,

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oh, no, I have gone
too far right, like I have fucked

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up, and that that happened in
San Francisco. Several times I told you

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that where like I would I be
like minding my own business and someone would

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00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:52.200
yell at me, and without thinking
it through, I would just be like,

405
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.839
eat shit, fucker, and then
they would like run at me and

406
00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.400
I would have to get out of
the way. The famous one was like,

407
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:04.079
when I was in Australia, I
was minding my own business, telling

408
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:10.799
a story and a group of three
pretty burly Australian women were walking the opposite

409
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:12.960
direction, pretty beefy. But I
wasn't paying attention to them. I wasn't

410
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:17.599
thinking about it, and I was
talking about shoes and I said, it

411
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:18.960
was a really nice pair of shoes. I'm really glad about them. And

412
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:23.039
as she passed me, the middle
girl said, oh, did you really

413
00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:26.759
like your shoes? Nice story,
and she was making fun of me.

414
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:32.160
That's that's kind of fun. Like
shit, terrible thing to do, but

415
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.799
still really fun. As we were
crossing. As we were crossing, and

416
00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:38.480
without like even thinking it through,
as we continued across, I said,

417
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:41.319
oh, did you like my story, cunt? And then she turned around

418
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:47.559
and tried to beat the shit out
of me. Yes. I had two

419
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:52.079
people with me and they kept us
separated, and she was like, you

420
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:56.279
fucking started it. And I was
like, you fucking started You've talked about

421
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.400
my shoes. Yeah, you were
just telling a story. You didn't start

422
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.559
anything with her. I was not
starting it, but she got really I

423
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:03.279
called her a cunt, and she
did not like that. Yeah, you

424
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.960
definitely escalated, but you didn't start
it. That's the definition. It wasn't.

425
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:12.599
There's one word you could use something. I think that's that's up there.

426
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.720
My instinct wasn't a fighter. My
instinct was you made fun of me,

427
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.920
so now I'm calling you a cunt. And then uh, they eventually

428
00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.640
like got her to calm, like
her friends kind of like chipped in to

429
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:25.880
like keep her. I wasn't trying
to fight her. I was just sitting

430
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:27.319
there like, oh, you didn't
like that, and they were all holding

431
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.279
her back, and eventually she like, let it go, and she pointed

432
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.000
at me and she goes, I'll
find you in the city, and then

433
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:38.680
she walked away. And someone someone
said that to me once and I responded

434
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:44.400
by telling them my exact address,
come find me. Good thing. I

435
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:48.440
think in their head they're probably well, they'd never intended to find me anyway,

436
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:49.960
but like even if they did,
they thought, well, no one's

437
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:52.200
dumb enough to give me their real
address, So that's not it. I

438
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:56.880
always forget about it. You've definitely
had some some fights in your day,

439
00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.759
but like in each of these situations, all of them, I wasn't going

440
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.799
out of my way to say I'm
gonna fight you because I'm like offended or

441
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.240
like you hurt my feeling. It
is a it is a fight or flight

442
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.519
instinct that I have when someone cuts
me down in a situation like that.

443
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:18.559
And typically not all the time,
but typically someone says something really like dastardly

444
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:22.519
to me out of nowhere, I
will just retort, without question, without

445
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.240
thinking it through, without proture.
I will just say eat shit, fucker,

446
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.759
and then I will be like,
ooh, this person is two hundred

447
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.119
and fifty pounds. They have a
bunch of friends and they're fucking coming at

448
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.319
me. I should not have said
that. I can't, Like, that's

449
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:38.440
so funny that that is a kneejerk
reaction for you, that like before you

450
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.839
even think, you do that,
And like I'm trying to think of what

451
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.559
could possibly get me to like,
I don't think even if I had time

452
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.000
to think, I can't think of
a scenario in which I would be like,

453
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:49.400
hey, fuck you dude. Well, I guess I don't know,

454
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:52.960
Like maybe I just have been lucky
and haven't been in those circumstances because certain

455
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.119
things would warranted. But like I
feel like every time I've gotten something and

456
00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.279
just been like, all right,
whatever, I don't encourage you to do

457
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.720
what I'm doing. I think that
one day this will haunt me, right,

458
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.680
I do think that one day it
will not be a fifty year old

459
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.519
drunk Jersey woman getting into the back. One day, it will be like

460
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:14.480
an actual person that will beat the
shit out of me because I called them

461
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:17.720
like a stupid bitch when I could
have just let it go. So like,

462
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:19.799
this probably isn't good advice. I'm
not asked. I don't think it

463
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.160
is advice. I'm not saying to
do it. I'm just saying that I

464
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:27.279
have built it ingrained in my system, probably from like middle school, when

465
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:30.480
like I was getting picked on or
something that if you say some shit to

466
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:37.640
me while passing by, I will
probably respond, And that's that's that.

467
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.920
That's just it's in there. It's
in like the subconscious of my brain.

468
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.720
I don't think about the things that
I say. Sometimes I test your levels

469
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.680
on this. Tell me how you
react to this, because this to me

470
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:49.720
so I saw it was very funny
and me and Jake laughed a lot about

471
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:52.440
it. I mentioned that when we
were in Belgium and he was shooting a

472
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:56.000
take with me to do an intro
for a video, and then he cut

473
00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.000
and then he goes perfect, and
then that Belgian guy on the street,

474
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:07.039
he's like perfect, perfect, hilarious. Mary, Would you go up and

475
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.640
just drop kick him? It depends
that kind of sounds like he's just having

476
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.359
a good time. It was funny. Yeah, it depends on like it's

477
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.559
entirely I would it sounds funny to
me off him, But if like his

478
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.359
he had a certain face that it
would probably annoy me more, or like

479
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.079
if he was just brilliant, if
he's stupidest faces that could be that could

480
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.119
be just a delightful, like cheeky
he Actually something really simple air happened to

481
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.960
me in Paris. I was getting
some stuff from a grocery store and I

482
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:40.359
tried to give someone a credit card
and then it was the wrong credit card

483
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:45.079
and I went oops, sorry,
and a guy who was restocking shelves behind

484
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:49.160
me went sorry. He kind of
repeated me. I don't think he was

485
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:52.920
making fun of me. I think
that the French were like, I've never

486
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:59.039
heard someone say sorry like that before, and he said it multiple times and

487
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:04.319
we started laughing because he was like
sorry, and it became a catchphrase throughout

488
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:06.200
the trip, and when we made
a mistake, we would look at each

489
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.759
other and go sorry, and it's
just like this funny thing. I think

490
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:14.160
in that exact scenario, I would
have found that very funny. I don't

491
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:15.839
think that's offensive. I don't think
he was hurting you. I think he

492
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:22.160
was like a cheeky language barrier and
he was enjoying like hearing you guys say

493
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.359
like piff perfect. Yeah, I
think that's funny. I think that's funny.

494
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:31.599
Yeah. He was like, oh, you guys, could it take

495
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:35.599
up the whole sidewalk? You know, like to shoot your stupid little thing.

496
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.039
I would have gotten in his face. I was, uh oh,

497
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:47.240
j Jake killed a guy notorious,
Yeah, notorious, like like not at

498
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:52.160
all level headed. Jake Decker freaked
out on somebody in Belgium. He's still

499
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.880
in Belgium right now. They've been
detaining him. Raised his voice. In

500
00:32:55.960 --> 00:33:01.480
my entire life, I've never heard
this person ever twice, the most even

501
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:07.000
mood, and I've never seen him
get visibly frustrated with anything. I've never

502
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.839
seen him be anything but just incredibly
pleasant. I've seen it twice, and

503
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:13.319
I like, even then, I
knew it was like a solar eclipse and

504
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:15.720
like, I gotta savor this because
I'm never gonna see it or it's like

505
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:21.720
Haley's comment, I don't know.
I was not on last episode. I've

506
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.599
been traveling a decent amount with a
new job and the way a wedding.

507
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:28.839
I just got back from San Juan
yesterday Puerto Rico. I don't know if

508
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.880
anybody's ever told you this before,
but Puerto Rico's like super nice. I

509
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:36.799
heard that, Yeah, San Juan, I'm joking, of course, it

510
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:37.960
was awesome. We were only there
for two days. I was a quick

511
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:42.640
turnaround. But we were right in
old Town, so like cobblestone streets,

512
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:47.680
like looking right at like each part
of Old Town has this old like fortress

513
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:52.279
on it where cannons used to be
for during the you know, piracy and

514
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:58.200
East India trading days. It was
it was super cool to see those ruins

515
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.440
and whatnot. But before that,
I was in Stead and it was my

516
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:06.400
first time ever in Sweden. Was
there for about a week and Stockholm is

517
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:12.320
unreal. I'm a huge fan of
Sweden now, really good food. I

518
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:16.079
did one night of Swedish food,
like Swedish ass Swedish, what what's that

519
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:21.000
look like? So it turns out
I thought Swedish meatballs were some dumb americanization.

520
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:25.119
They're they're super Swedish. Were they
just like they're not like they're not

521
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:28.400
made out of like lamb eyeballs over
there or anything? Are they? Or

522
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:30.360
they like no, I'm not sure
what would be in the Swedish meatballs.

523
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.719
I think what defines them as Swedish
meatballs, and it's they're like soaked and

524
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.079
resting in this pool of gravy,
like very buttery gravy. All right,

525
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:43.920
As someone who is developing lactose in
tolerance. It was definitely a risk reward

526
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.920
thing for me. I had to
like, you know, take a lactate

527
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:51.920
or two and like acknowledge that I
might have like an hour after eating where

528
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:52.719
it was not worth it, but
it was it was worth it. They

529
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:58.719
were great. I had like this
assordid plate of pickled herring with different like

530
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.559
mustards and whatnot on it, and
then my favorite thing, they were just

531
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.679
I don't know if I'm curious.
I know we have some Swedish listeners.

532
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:08.719
I didn't get the chance to ask
anybody at the restaurant, but they just

533
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:13.039
gave us toast. But then they
gave us row to spread along it.

534
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:16.960
Yeah, like they're little tiny orange
fish eggs you get on sushi sometimes.

535
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:22.000
Oh yeah, that was great.
Like the texture of the row combined with

536
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.239
the toast was awesome. I don't
know if that's a dinner thing there or

537
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:28.440
if that's like every time you have
toast, that's an option, but I

538
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.719
can't imagine it's the second one because
roe probably gets expensive. But it was

539
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:36.679
great. And then surprisingly the rest
of the nights I didn't realize, like,

540
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.079
I guess it makes sense. The
water there is really good water clean

541
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:45.840
so when they're doing like baked goods, and they're also like bread snobs and

542
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:52.119
flower snobs, so bakeries were unreal. Pizza and I came from North Jersey

543
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.800
and had more pizza in Stockholm.
It was that good. Beer was great.

544
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:02.079
I had solaris, which is like
Sweden's Uh they're native like there,

545
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:06.320
that's one of the only grapes they
grow that no one else does. I

546
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.360
had that. It was surprisingly good, but uh, it was great.

547
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.039
The people that were super cool too, Like I I didn't expect anything else,

548
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:19.280
but like, I really liked the
inhabitants of Stockholm just as much,

549
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.119
which is not always the case when
you're traveling. What's the worst city?

550
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.400
And I guess I shouldn't say the
like the people suck, but like,

551
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.719
there's definitely been cities where that didn't
feel as welcoming. Which city has the

552
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:38.159
worst people you're walking me into You've
traveled a lot, I'm just curious.

553
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:42.800
I will say that the city where
the people liked me the least was Colonne,

554
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.800
Germany, And I have to I
can't blame them because I have heard

555
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.199
and I've seen firsthand. I don't
think local. I don't know what the

556
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.639
word for people who live in Cologne
to be but the Cologne citizens do not

557
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.519
like colonialists. I think, oh
that's probably it. Yeah, it was

558
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:01.159
so, and everybody talks about not
liking you know, colonialists, So okay,

559
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:05.280
okay, wow, that makes sense. But I can't super blame them.

560
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:09.480
Yes, yep, colonizers. You
got to take a colon test to

561
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:17.159
get a citizenship, yeah, Colonne
powellstration. Yeah, I think they just

562
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:21.559
don't like games. Comm and how
many people come to the city like which

563
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.920
is a gorgeous city, which by
all means most of the time is fairly

564
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:28.920
laid back and fun and I always
I've done it once. I had fun

565
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:31.159
there. But they just didn't seem
to be happy about games. Colm Happening

566
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.960
did not like the idea of a
bunch of games coming to your city.

567
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.360
And I guess it's it's just a
sh ton of people descend on it for

568
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:43.719
a week, and half of them
are half of them are from America,

569
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:45.000
half of them are from I don't
know half, but like, you know,

570
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:49.599
people from all over Europe are coming
for one week, and you know,

571
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.480
I think that can be great.
But also just like people who like

572
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:58.000
their city might get a bit annoyed
then it's just there's fucking tourist left and

573
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:02.480
right during games com, which like
anytime we walk through Midtown Manhattan, we

574
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:06.440
want to fucking punch ourselves in the
face because of the tourists. So I

575
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:12.000
sure did, Sure, yeah,
But I'm most curious what like people coming

576
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.360
from elsewhere think of New York,
Because I know New York has I think

577
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:17.280
there's the reputation of New Yorkers for
having an edge and being like, hurry

578
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:21.119
up and order your bagel, like
you're holding a line up. I find

579
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:24.199
New Yorkers to be at heart extremely
kind. I don't think they're super nice,

580
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:27.760
but I think they don't put on
as, they don't put on airs,

581
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.760
but they're not actively rude. I
don't think curious if that translates to

582
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:37.000
people not feeling welcome here. I
think from what I've seen when I had

583
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.639
like family members from Kansas come out
to New York, I think the overwhelming

584
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.239
thing was not like, oh,
people being rude or anything. It was

585
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.239
just like, how do people live
like this? Everything's so expensive, everything's

586
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:49.559
so crowded, the traffic's crazy,
Like how do they just go go go

587
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:51.960
and it's so expensive? Like that
seemed to be. I don't know if

588
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.119
they're just my family, but that's
that's the overriding thing I always heard.

589
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:57.840
It wasn't about like, oh,
people are assholes like San Francisco. People

590
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.880
are assholes. LA. People are
assholes like New York. I think people

591
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:02.199
kind of respect, Like there's a
lot of like blue collar people that are

592
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:05.360
just going about their day and they're
not trying to be rude or anything.

593
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.199
You know, people will, Yeah, I prefer the New York style.

594
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:12.239
I've met some assholes in LA.
I think what I'm saying, LA is

595
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:19.239
filled with assholes, yearly experienced,
some like assholes, just self centered,

596
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.719
tough to get around people, not
really giving a shit about anyone else.

597
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.440
Yeah, and San Francisco's right up
there too. I think, like,

598
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:28.400
yeah, LA and San Francisco gotta
be like one and two of like asshole

599
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:30.840
cities. I think, I think
San Francisco, but like, I think

600
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:34.239
it's worth pointing out at least most
of the assholes I met in San Francisco

601
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.440
were definitely not like from there like
they had They were tech tech guys who

602
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.199
had come in and we thought they
were running the world. Oh and it's

603
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:43.559
same with LA, where it's like
a bunch of people from everywhere else that

604
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.679
think they're going to go be the
next big star or whatever, and they

605
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:46.840
go out there and they're just assholes
out there, and they get bitterer than

606
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:51.320
when it doesn't work out. Yeah, asshole in La. Yeah it's not

607
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.159
like the native people, like the
people that grew up there necessarily, it's

608
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:58.239
the people that fucking like came there
and yeah, just still shth heads or

609
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.079
shit heads and if they live there, a city full of shit ends.

610
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:06.760
Not everyone obviously, but people in
Stockholm are awesome. People in San Juan

611
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.639
for talk about a fucking touristy city. And we were there, like height,

612
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:14.920
we're there for a wedding my wife's
college friend. But it's spring break

613
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.400
season right now, so like there
were some college kids down there as well.

614
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:21.400
We luckily avoided most of them.
I will still say though, the

615
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:24.639
like servers and the bartenders in San
Juan, like to a tee, we're

616
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:30.360
all incredible, Like they have every
right to be annoyed by people, and

617
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:32.519
they were just unreal. It was
great. I mean it's I guess it's

618
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:37.400
hard to be super annoyed when the
weather's eighty five degrees in March but it

619
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:39.039
was a I like San Juan a
lot. We want to go back when

620
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:45.760
it's not such a quick turnaround.
But uh yeah, it's nice traveling for

621
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:47.760
work again. It's been a while
since I've done that. Now it's a

622
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:52.840
lot all of a sudden, but
I'm done. I mean, we're recording

623
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.079
this. All of us are getting
ready or Mary, maybe not you,

624
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:58.239
but Dan, You're going to PAxx
East in a couple of days. I'm

625
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:02.760
going to GC tomorrow. I'm packs
and WrestleMania. Yeah, Mary, are

626
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:07.599
you going to GDC? No.
I don't have a good justification. I

627
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:12.360
think that, Yeah, that's I
tried. I was like, Twitch,

628
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.000
listen, my best buds are gonna
be there, and they like each shit.

629
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:20.599
I don't have a good because I
don't work in BD, so there's

630
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:23.679
really no reason for me to go. Now. I have a stronger justification

631
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:30.519
to go to PAC's East just because
there's like a good potential for being on

632
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:35.840
a panel or something. But almost
every year I just find it more,

633
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.039
I don't know, more justifiable to
go to PACs West, and I put

634
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:43.880
my tokens into that. I've just
kind of found I'm not going to go

635
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.159
to every game event, so I
picked the top the top boys. I

636
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.440
did the same thing when I worked
at GameSpot. I used to be like

637
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.800
it was all calculated. I used
to be like, you're such a good

638
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:57.519
person, Jake, why don't you
go to PAS East? And I was

639
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:00.400
like, I'm going to fucking Tokyo
Game Show if it killed me, I

640
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:02.840
will give everybody else everything. And
then when Tokyo Game Show comes, get

641
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:06.400
the fuck out of my way.
I do I do that here. I

642
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:10.719
just kind of think of, like
which top game thing should I go to,

643
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.719
and I and I try to go
to those also Packs West and like

644
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.599
Summer Games First and Game Awards for
you that's like an hour hour nation.

645
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:24.760
I will say that I love doing
the Packs East Boston experience, and like

646
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:30.880
it's sometimes it's snows and it's like
pretty cool, Like it's a cool experience.

647
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:32.719
I don't regret any year I went
to PAX East. I just don't

648
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:37.320
have the same reasoning for going as
I once did. There's more of a

649
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.320
novelty to Packs East, I think
because it's like when you work in games,

650
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:44.000
like I've been to Seattle so many
fucking times because like there's so many

651
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.599
no Microsoft, Nintendo, you know, Soccer Punch is a million million developers.

652
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.719
Especially when I was gamingform where it
was like four times a year at

653
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.679
least had been going out there.
Now it's like, you know, Boston.

654
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:54.159
The only time I've ever gone out
there is for Paxis for the most

655
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:57.840
part, so there's more of a
novelty there. I haven't been there as

656
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.480
many times. Yeah, they were
the they were the development hot spot in

657
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:06.280
like the late nineties, like that
immersive sim crowd harmonics like Irrational was popping

658
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:10.519
up. But yeah, former dev
hotspot for sure. But like god,

659
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:15.760
going to I once. I'm at
GDC and this is my first time going

660
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.679
to San Francisco since I want to
say, like Game of the Year stuff

661
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.960
for game Spot back in twenty twenty, right before I left. If is

662
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:29.119
that correct? I think wouldn't that
be twenty nineteen because twenty twenty was like

663
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:36.639
deep in the pandemic there. Nineteen
March March of twenty twenty was when they

664
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:40.000
sent people home. Yeah yeah,
good, sorry, sorry, Game of

665
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:44.159
the Year twenty nineteen into twenty twenty. Yes, yeah, so that was

666
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:45.519
the last time we were probably out
there at the same time. Yeah,

667
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.760
yeah, it's been a while.
Every time that all the time. It

668
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:52.320
just so happens. I'm not going
when you're going to be there, and

669
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.840
I'll be there at first. Once
i'm there, it's great, But that

670
00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:00.000
fucking the flight from Newark to San
Francisco gets longer every time, I swear,

671
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:04.159
And I just did like Reykovic and
Stockholm and that was you know,

672
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.039
those were some decent flights, but
like that, flying west and then on

673
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:12.320
the way back on Friday, you
know, you're jumping forward three hours once

674
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.800
you land or as you fly,
and the prospect of San Francisco tomorrow compared

675
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:19.119
to like Boston, it's like,
ah, god damn it. But once

676
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:22.679
I'm there, I'm sure it'll be
great. And it's my first GDC largely

677
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:27.159
being there for like business development,
which is new for me. But yeah,

678
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:29.599
I'm looking forward to it. That
has been one of my favorite things

679
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.079
about being back in the Midwest is
like any domestic flight is like, I

680
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:36.159
don't know, three hours on the
high end, you know, it's like

681
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:37.320
no more that, Like, yeah, Newark to San Francisco, like that

682
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.760
was rough. You know, Game
of the Year every year. Oh god,

683
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:44.800
flying to Minneapolis in December was It's
always easiest. Shit, Yeah,

684
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.239
the airport's great. Yeah, really
eazy. That's an easy one for me

685
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:51.719
too. You have to like justify
all the flying and stuff that we do

686
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:53.920
anymore. Now, Like I fly
a lot. I actually am really looking

687
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:58.239
forward to. I think I have
two weeks where I'm not flying anywhere,

688
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:00.440
and it's just like, oh that's
so nice. Yeah, two whole weeks

689
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:05.440
where I get to like do nothing. I love that. So my tune

690
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.039
has changed. Whereas in twenty twenty, when we like stopped all flying,

691
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:14.360
I would have killed to fly somewhere
and like experience different city every once in

692
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.599
a while. But now I'm back
on the other We're swinging the pendulum the

693
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:21.840
other way, and I'm I'm I'm
out a lot, so I enjoy the

694
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.679
old home now. Yeah, when
I get back later this week where our

695
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:29.559
dating anniversary is going to be this
week, so we have like dinner plan

696
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:31.639
the day like the weekend after I
get back, and that's also kicking off

697
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:40.440
I think three solid weeks of no
traveling like anywhere. Can't wait. But

698
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:44.760
thanks for Jeff Grubb for coming on
in my absence, y for most of

699
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:46.840
the episode. It went. It
was it was super fun episode, Yes

700
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:51.800
it was. He was awesome.
Yeah, super He's super fun and it

701
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:54.000
was a good conversation. We all
agreed at the end of it we could

702
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:58.519
make this work. Yeah. I'm
glad I finally had an opportunity to talk

703
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:04.000
to Jeff Grubb on a podcast.
It's so rare. Yeah, so unique

704
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.320
to be able to have Jeff grab
on a podcast. Yeah right. He

705
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:10.159
normally refuses to be anywhere near a
podcast, you won't sit in the same

706
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:14.920
room as a podcast, but owns
a microphone. No, no, we

707
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.079
had to ship it to him.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, well Mike

708
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:21.800
drove it over. So Mananti,
do you guys want to talk about video

709
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:25.960
games? Yes, Mike Dan.
Isn't it amazing when you want to order

710
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.440
some wine and you get exactly what
you want and you didn't really have to

711
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:34.599
think about it or do nothing that
lazy type of wine mm hmm yeah,

712
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.199
or you didn't even or you got
something you didn't even know you wanted,

713
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.039
and all of a sudden you're in
love with it. It's so nice when

714
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:43.159
you're just like not paying attention and
life just works itself out for you.

715
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:45.199
Mike, tell me a little bit
about some of the wine you've been ordering.

716
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:47.599
Yeah, so if you sign up
for First Sleeve. Dan, you'll

717
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:51.840
talk about this more soon, I'm
sure. But you go through the steps

718
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.400
to say, like, I like
coffee, I like burnt toast, I

719
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:58.280
don't like walnuts, and they'll kind
of curate boxes for you. But like,

720
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:00.920
my favorite part is finding something I
had idea I even liked. You

721
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.840
know, the weather's starting to sort
of warm up here in New York and

722
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:09.079
it's a nice time to start getting
back into some rosees. I had a

723
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:14.320
grenache rose from California that I haven't
been doing too many California wines recently,

724
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:16.079
but this was great in the warm
weather out on the pier. I think

725
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:19.159
I've talked a lot about. One
of my favorite wines I've had in a

726
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.519
long time was this Chilean Carmen Air
that we had steak, which again would

727
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:24.840
not have been on my radar if
it wasn't for First Leaf. But yeah,

728
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:29.119
it's great for discovering wines and for
just reinforcing the stuff you already like.

729
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:31.519
But Dan, tell them how they
can get involved First Leaf, Well,

730
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:35.719
you can join pers Leave Today.
It's a wine club that really gets

731
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:39.519
you. Go to try persleave dot
com slash fire Escape to get your purse

732
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:44.760
box of wines. That's t R
y F I R S T L e

733
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:51.159
a f dot com slash fire Escape, try persleaf dot com slash fire Escape.

734
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.199
I'm gonna kick it off with a
game that you two have been talking

735
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.960
a lot about, but I have
not been on the show since I started

736
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:07.000
playing it. I think I'm sixteen
hours into Bilatro, okay, like like

737
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.360
I out of curiosity, I was
like, all right, I told him

738
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:12.639
I play this, and I was
flying to Reykivic. I was like an

739
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.880
hour in my flight. I was
like, I'm done reading, I'm gonna

740
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.920
try this game out. And all
of a sudden, I looked up and

741
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:22.679
I was like, in Reykivic,
four hours had gone by and I don't

742
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:27.679
know where they went. That's the
way. It seems like the perfect playing

743
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:29.760
game. I have not traveled since
I started playing, but like, I

744
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:31.920
cannot imagine a better playing game.
The touch screen is so easy, like

745
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:36.000
I could just like have one arm
while I'm also sipping coffee or whatever and

746
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:42.199
then just tapping every once in a
while. I it's We've talked about this

747
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.599
before at length on fire Escape,
but some of my favorite games in recent

748
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.840
years are the ones that like here's
the kingdom, like they want you to

749
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.159
break them, like, and that's
just what this game is about, is

750
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:58.719
juicing the stats how the poker works, because like we've talked, like apologies

751
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:00.639
if I'm like read or anything,
but like you barely even know need to

752
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:04.360
know how poker works. If you
understand the hands, that's fine. It's

753
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.199
broken by the time you figured it
out, like I had every time I

754
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:10.280
stream it. Someone in the chat
is like, you have a straight,

755
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:13.760
you have a straight, And I'm
like, listen, you stupid bitch.

756
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.840
Do you know how many points I've
put into two pair pair slaps? You

757
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:22.199
have no idea what you're fucking talking
about. That's a joke to me.

758
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.480
This is two pair city I'm getting. I was getting. I don't know

759
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:30.599
what you guys is like like a
number one hand has been but I was

760
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:36.239
getting. I was getting million dollars
scores, like million score, million points

761
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:38.840
scores on two pair. By the
end of my run million. The pair

762
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.679
just pops up a lot, And
you can also fashion it pretty well to

763
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.440
like you know, you can copy
cards to be like Okay, let's say

764
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:46.440
you get the two pair thing leveled
up quite a bit and you get the

765
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:50.039
tens and fours, the walkie talkie
Joker, and it's like, all right,

766
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.960
I'm going to turn every fucking card
I can into a ten or a

767
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.400
four. If it kills me,
then you can full house. You can,

768
00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:00.719
yeah, yeah, but seal put
a full house is yeah, that's

769
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:04.360
my bread and butter, like and
that that's what Deck was I using.

770
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:09.119
I forget what Deck I started with, but that becomes almost like so secondary

771
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:14.480
once you get far enough into a
round. So you've beaten the game once,

772
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:19.360
No, I think I've done it
more than twice. I've gotten very

773
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:25.920
cleve. I've gotten to the final
the Final Boss Blind four times, maybe

774
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.159
in sixteen hours. I don't know
if sixteen hours are super accurate, that

775
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.400
might just be Idle time as well. But it was like two trips worth

776
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:38.480
that I played that game. The
first time I got to the Boss Blind,

777
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:44.199
I was very the Final Boss Blind, I was very overconfident, and

778
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:49.480
I waltzed in and they gave me
the modifier was just extra big blind YEP,

779
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:52.760
so I needed and I just barely
missed it because like I had been

780
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.760
that's like the fun of that game, or it's not fun in the moment

781
00:50:55.800 --> 00:51:00.920
because you're losing, but you go
like you get through three boss blinds and

782
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:04.719
like two pairs been working the whole
time, and you keep juicing that,

783
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.719
and you get the neptune or whatever
does it increases that and then you keep

784
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:13.079
turning everything into one of two numbers
Uranus yeah, go on and Jupiter's slush.

785
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.639
And so I was like so like
comfortable in just juicing that that by

786
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:20.320
the time I got to a boss
where I needed like eight hundred thousand or

787
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.639
whatever, the points were like,
oh god, damn it, I'm not.

788
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.239
Yeah, I've been getting enough to
win everything else. But then all

789
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:28.119
of a sudden they throw that at
me. But they do it all the

790
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.159
time. I love when even when
you're not at the final boss right,

791
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.440
when you're like at the third it's
like the third round boss and it's like

792
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:38.119
you've been only you've been getting rid
of everything in your deck except for hearts,

793
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:42.960
right, and you've just been flush
flush City, and it's like hearts

794
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.800
don't work no more. Like your
boss is just like we're fucking you over.

795
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:50.079
Or you can only play one hand
against you, or you can't play

796
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:53.519
a hand more than once one andied, well one hand, have you gotten

797
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.760
the one that's like you get one, yeah, like that one that's a

798
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.119
killer. I've had decks that I
was just killed it with like all face

799
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:04.119
cards stuff, and one of my
jokers was like all cards are considered face

800
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.400
cards, and then the final joker
being like your final boss playing being like,

801
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:15.480
uh, face cards are rebuffed,
dock so screwed. Yeah, they

802
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:17.079
it's funny too. On the flip
side, I guess more than positive or

803
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:20.599
not that that's negative, but like
when the game's not fucking you over,

804
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.000
it's like, Okay, I just
got pretty far. I fucked up.

805
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:28.079
I got to restart, but I
got a new joker that I'm trying to

806
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:30.440
think of what the one joker was. I literally I was like that seems

807
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:36.159
way too hyper focus. That's never
going to be that useful. I put

808
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:37.400
my steam deck down and I went
to the bathroom on the plane, and

809
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.280
while I was pissing, it like
dawned on me how I could use the

810
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:45.719
card you kind of like dropped the
copy muguets I joined the Mile High Club.

811
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.039
If the Mile High Club as you
have a video game epiphany in the

812
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:52.719
bathroom like that, I almost had
to sprint back to my seat and then

813
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:57.599
test it out. What joker was
it? I should remember. I think

814
00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.559
it was the Curious. It was
one of the one where if you,

815
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:04.679
oh, okay, I remember what
it was. It was a combo of

816
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:12.079
one of the jokers where every time
you save up more money for each discard

817
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:15.159
or reshuffle withever that you don't use. So I was like, well,

818
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:16.599
I've kind of been using those because
I'm using those to get full house.

819
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:22.400
But then I had another one where
the joker was if I played a face

820
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:27.079
card, it would refill one of
my like re redeals or whatever for that,

821
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:29.880
so I could basically game it and
still get as much money. And

822
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:35.239
like those hands that are built around
making a shit ton of money surprise make

823
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:37.880
the game pretty easy because you're actually
buying every bonus. You're buying everything you

824
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:42.280
need, and you're diversifying. So
when you hit those bosses that are like

825
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:44.280
you can only play one hand,
you're like, I don't care. I

826
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:46.800
got my full house is ready to
go. And then right before the final

827
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:51.880
boss, you're just buying everything,
rerolling, buying all that stuff rerolling.

828
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:53.400
It's like, I've got two hundred
dollars, a motherfucker, I'm buying everything

829
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:59.639
here being flush is extremely valuable.
You don't want to be poor in Bilatro

830
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:02.480
and you can scrape by. But
usually I find the runs where I win

831
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:07.320
and I beat the game is because
I had enough money to spare. I

832
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.480
had. I had a really good
one. I had a really good joker

833
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:15.679
that was just cashing me out,
and I think I got it really early

834
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:19.880
in the game, and because it
added a dollar each round. By the

835
00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:25.480
time I was in seven, I
was just getting paid twenty three dollars every

836
00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:29.760
time. It was crazy. I
was making so much money I couldn't spend

837
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.880
it anymore. At that point.
My favorite joker that I ever got was

838
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:39.039
I'm curious like your favorite jokers,
My favorite was at the very beginning of

839
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:46.159
any hand, if the very first
discard is one card will kill the card.

840
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:51.079
It won't exist anymore. And I
think you even get money for it

841
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:52.440
or something like that. You get
like three bucks. I thought you were

842
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:54.719
gonna say, it's the one where
it shovels it back in your deck,

843
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:59.719
but it makes a copy. No, that one, it deletes the card

844
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:02.880
from from the deck, and I
was using it. I had enough disc

845
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:06.880
cards where I could afford to just
throw away my first disc card and I

846
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:13.639
was just getting rid of every spade
and uh yeah, I was just getting

847
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:16.199
rid of decks and that way,
I was like all hearts and diamonds.

848
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:21.199
It was really easy to get a
flush and it was super super fun just

849
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:22.400
being like each time I started a
hand, I was like, which card

850
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.840
will I murder this time? It
was really fun. I think the one

851
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:30.280
that you believe you two have talked
about it, but the first joker that

852
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:32.880
truly was like, oh god,
they really are trying to let me break

853
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:37.239
stuff. It's like, uh,
you can get a straight, but yeah,

854
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.920
that's the one you can suggest.
Golden Gate was well how do I

855
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:44.239
not get a straight? Now?
If you get that? And the one

856
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:49.119
where flushes and straights can be done
with four cards, the hoh choke at

857
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:52.039
that point, Yeah, like you're
not it's so easy. That's a really

858
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.119
fun one. I think that was
the first time I ever beat the game

859
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:58.800
was with the straight that you could
skip. You could skip a number.

860
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:04.320
It's laughing when I was playing it
is so stupid. Yeah, I definitely

861
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:07.519
like unlocked the game for me.
Such a good game. God, yeah,

862
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:13.199
so hot right now. It's great, But uh, newer game that

863
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:15.199
I know a couple of us have
played. Mary. I think you're holding

864
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:20.880
off for a bit Dragons Dogma two
yeah, like five, or you guys

865
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:23.039
are talking about SpongeBob square Pants Battle
for Bikini Bottom Rehydrated, not yeah,

866
00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:27.440
we'll save the best for last.
That's what I thought the game. Everybody's

867
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.880
talking about right now about the SpongeBob
SquarePants Battle for Rehydrated. Jess Christ,

868
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:35.599
that's a lot of first game.
So many words come up for Gody,

869
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:42.039
worst title or best. There's not
like six colons and a couple of hyphens

870
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.559
and amper sands in it. I
have a colon, okay, one or

871
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:53.679
two colons? Yeah, like a
Tilda They yeah, it's so Dragon's dog

872
00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:57.760
wa two. Dan, what is
your history? Did you play the first

873
00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:00.960
game? I think the only thing
I did with the first one was I

874
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:05.239
was on a video at Game Informer
of it where I created some called Steve

875
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.400
Austin and tried just to have a
bunch of monsters in the nuts. That's

876
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.440
all I remember. It was like
a thirty minute episode some video. Never

877
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:14.679
actually like spent any real time with
it. So this, for all intents

878
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:16.599
and purposes, this is my first
experience with Dragons Sogma. Okay, So

879
00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:21.159
for those who don't know, Dragons
Dogma was made by people at Capcom who

880
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:24.239
had like previously worked on Devil May
Cry like action games, and then they

881
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:28.480
wanted to make a more open world
game. But one of their big things

882
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:31.599
is they wanted to make it actually
feel dangerous and more systems driven. So

883
00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:36.440
I don't think it's that surprising.
Having said that that people that I would

884
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:39.159
say it's like, Dragons Dogma is
one of my top like twenty five games.

885
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:43.639
Ever. I love the first Dragons
dog Jesus really yeah, yeah,

886
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:47.000
wow, I've gone back to it
with Darker Risen on PS five when they

887
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:51.679
re released it. If that maybe
it was a PS four versus four,

888
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.000
right, It came out originally on
three like three six era, and then

889
00:57:54.039 --> 00:58:00.159
probably got Darker Risen the next one. Yeah, yeah, and it I

890
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:05.039
like system driven games, immersive sims. I like where I'm just kind of

891
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.599
figuring finding the story for myself.
So yeah, I'm about five six hours

892
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:12.639
into this. I haven't I literally
just played like yesterday and today. I

893
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.480
haven't been able to dig super far
into it, kind of rough around the

894
00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:21.440
edges, like the game itself,
Dan, I think are you playing on

895
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:24.840
PC. Now. I started on
PS five and I actually switched to PC

896
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:28.639
because, yeah, I could not
believe there was not a performance mode and

897
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.960
like I am kind of a I'm
not a resolution snob, I'm a frame

898
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:37.000
rate snob, and like it was
kind of killing me. Yeah, I'm

899
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:38.519
still playing PS five. It's rough. It's not even that they don't have

900
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:44.039
a performance option, it's there's just
there's no like I wouldn't even call the

901
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:49.719
base default resolution oriented. I mean, it's definitely low frame rate, but

902
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:53.760
it's it's didn't there's no run great
Yeah, no, yeah, it's I

903
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:57.920
got past it once I started playing
more. But yeah, I don't know.

904
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:00.719
I still am trying to figure out
a couple of weeks they've made to

905
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:07.559
the pond system and how that works. But I'm really enjoying how these quests

906
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:09.440
you're getting are time based, many
of them, and you start to see

907
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:12.360
this more and more as you play, where it's like, oh, I

908
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.639
guess if I play this one,
something could happen in the world that basically

909
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:21.960
fails this quest because I took too
long. But also you'll hire a pond

910
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.400
and those who don't know a pond
system is there are these like procedurally generated

911
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:30.199
characters? Well, they're two things. They're procedurally generated characters you can hire

912
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:32.480
to be your party members, and
you can have four now I think it

913
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:36.679
was only it was three in Dragon's
Dogma. Was it the same thing where

914
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:38.639
you had like your main one that
you created and others could summon, and

915
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:42.039
then there's just two others that you
bring on. Yeah, yeah, okay,

916
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:45.719
But now they've got a whole bunch
of new wrinkles to that where you'll

917
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:52.679
find these like broken rift stones in
the wild that either summon pawns of one

918
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:57.599
disposition or one vocation but they're really
good at it, or you could just

919
00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:00.119
randomly summon a very high level pond. But basically, like the characters in

920
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:05.079
the game, are these procedurally generated, like if you've played State of Decay

921
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:09.599
two or there's like shades of the
Nemesis system from Middle Earth, how they

922
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:13.800
react to what you're doing. And
you know, now they've added a lot

923
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:16.599
more where I'll be getting ready to
go continue on the main quest as I'm

924
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:21.679
going to the capital city and Vermond
or whatever you want to call the world,

925
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.320
and then this pawn I just hired
will be waving her hands and be

926
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:27.480
like, you got to come check
this out, and she'll lead me like

927
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:31.880
two hundred yards away onto a part
of the map where this other emergent kind

928
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:37.280
of quest pops up. And it's
tough to fully judge the game without just

929
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:42.360
like really getting deep into all of
that stuff, the actual you know,

930
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:45.400
the emergent systems the game, the
quest that are coming out of nowhere that

931
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:47.960
I didn't really plan for, because
that's the joy of the first game to

932
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.679
me was sure, you set off
on this this journey to go kill the

933
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:57.880
cyclops, and then you're taking a
bit longer, so night's falling and you

934
01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:00.679
don't have camping supply, so it
gets a bit tense because there's also you

935
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:05.280
really need to be resting at ends
in order to save, because the auto

936
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:08.719
save is purposely bare bones in these
games. There is a pop up that

937
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:10.880
says like, hey, don't rely
on auto stave, and I was like,

938
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:14.039
that's interesting. I don't think I've
seen a pop up like that.

939
01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:15.000
Yeah, that was very much the
first game, Like I think, you

940
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.119
know, they want to to actually
make it feel like you're going on this

941
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:21.760
overnight journey. It should feel dangerous, like if you come across this campground,

942
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:24.440
you can use camping supplies. However, if you don't clear out enemies

943
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:28.119
that might be in the vicinity,
you can get ambushed at night when you're

944
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:31.360
like caught off guard with your pants
down, so to speak. So that

945
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:36.079
is that was like why the game, the first game has such an indelible

946
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:40.719
place in my memory because I remember
those kinds of missions that were not really

947
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:45.239
scripted by or they were scripted by
the designers, but not necessarily like cut

948
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:49.079
scened or you know, part of
the main quest. It was just these

949
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:52.079
these missions that popped up that I
kind of dictated myself, and then the

950
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:55.760
game pushed back when it needed to
on certain aspects. So I'm seeing that

951
01:01:55.800 --> 01:02:00.840
a bit here. I think the
first game got off to a much faster

952
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:06.440
start than this game. But so
far, I'm intrigued. I want to

953
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:08.239
keep playing. I wish I didn't
have to you know, travel once I

954
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:10.840
started getting into it. But yeah, I'm curious, what, like what

955
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:15.559
your impression is, especially as if
this is your first one. Yeah,

956
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:17.280
I came in having no idea what
to expect at all. I knew people

957
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:21.239
generally liked the first one and that
dark Horism was a little bit better,

958
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:23.559
But like I came in, I
think I came in expecting what I expect

959
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:28.639
from most big kind of like fantasy
based RPGs, where it's like, all

960
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:30.519
right, there's probably gonna be some
really cool systems here, but like I

961
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:36.079
always kind of hate slogging through the
lore of like as much as I like

962
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.199
like Oblivion and Skyrim and and plenty
of fantasy based games, like I don't

963
01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:43.880
need to know like this novel's worth
of like the lore of Nerf and Herfin

964
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:45.480
or whatever the area is, you
know, like I don't give a shit

965
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:51.519
about that stuff or these characters,
and this is extremely dewey for a I

966
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:54.440
guess I would call this like a
fantasy action RPG. Is that fair,

967
01:02:54.480 --> 01:03:00.000
Like definitely RPG elements, but it's
like it's pretty action heavy. I didn't

968
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:01.079
I didn't know about the Devil May
Cry pedigree. Oh yeah, if you

969
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:05.639
look up the credits, it's Devil
May Cry people. That's that makes a

970
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:07.559
lot of sense, because like there's
a ton of combat here. Are you?

971
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:10.800
Did you go with a fighter vocation? You know? I? I

972
01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:14.800
almost always do, and I wanted
to kind of do things differently this time,

973
01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:16.440
and so I've never played. It's
like a thief. So I'm playing

974
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:20.719
so really fast. Yeah, like
so like I've got these double blades and

975
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.840
my main pawn is a wizard who
can like imbue my daggers with lightning and

976
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:27.760
stuff like that, and then I'm
hiring these other pawns. Actually, today

977
01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:30.119
I hired a I went into the
rift where you can hire random ponds,

978
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:32.800
and since it's pre released, it's
you know, you'll see people pop ups

979
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:36.559
like, oh, this is clearly
a capcom person. I hired a Chris

980
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:40.280
Plants pawn Apheliah. Yeah, we're
not, like we weren't on the same

981
01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:43.159
friends list, so I think I
just I was like, oh shit,

982
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:45.599
I know that. Yeah all right, so yeah Pillia, Chris, I

983
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:46.599
know you're listening. Pelia is doing
great, and I'll send her back with

984
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:51.920
some beef jerky or something. But
you offload them? Was that? Yeah?

985
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:54.599
I was gonna say, have you
hired out your pond yet to other

986
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:59.159
people? I think so, because
like you can set God, I forget,

987
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:00.679
there's something I like set pond quest
or something like that, and I

988
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:03.360
think I could maybe only set it
for like do a day in a night

989
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:06.679
or whatever. So I haven't really
gotten deep into that yet, and I'm

990
01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:10.719
still trying to figure out, Like, Okay, it seems like if I

991
01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:15.679
give upon equipment, like if I
give them stuff that they're wearing, that's

992
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:18.239
going back to their original owner.
But I think I can give them any

993
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:23.599
kind of like weapon upgrade stuff or
consumables and that comes back to me when

994
01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:27.000
they go away. Is that correct? Yeah? That sounds generally right.

995
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:30.639
Yes, Okay, okay, because
that's the things. I'm a thief,

996
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:32.320
and so I want to say super
duper lighte and like my abilities are ones

997
01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:34.880
where I'm doing these like concussive jumps
and I'm like doing flips and shit,

998
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:39.719
and so I want to be very
mobile. So I just offload everything except

999
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:42.440
for like the clothes on my back, onto all my different ponds and I'm

1000
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.639
just hoping it's all coming back when
I fire them or whatever. Yeah.

1001
01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:49.559
That was in the first game that
was a very popular pawn. Archetype was

1002
01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:53.599
a fighter with a very high carry
load. They're literally just like your pack

1003
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:58.119
mule. Okay. So I went
with Archer specifically because I found Archer to

1004
01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:00.840
be the most boring in the first
game. They have done a lot to

1005
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.679
make that clap. That vocation,
I should say, much more fun.

1006
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:08.000
You can get start doing acrobatic stuff
early on. You've got more options to

1007
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:13.599
be a sniper. So my pond
art, she's a fighter like Gigantic,

1008
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:15.719
just fucks people up. But I'm
already building her out to be much more

1009
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:23.119
aggressive and tanky, and I'm really
upgrading my And you upgrade vocations at inns,

1010
01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:26.519
you learn new skills, and then
anytime you rank up, it's just

1011
01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:31.480
a basic these twelve numbers went up. Other things change, but and you

1012
01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:35.159
can go to other vocations basically whenever
you want after a certain point in the

1013
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:40.679
game. But yeah, I'm definitely
working on developing my archer, and then

1014
01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:43.880
I have two other mages in my
party with me and the fighter. Right

1015
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:48.000
now, what are the enemy types
like? Generally speaking, like a lot

1016
01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:53.320
of dudes, harpies, little goblin
dudes, good Greek myth I mean,

1017
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:56.960
it's like Tolkien Fantasy kind of Greek
myth like. So there's also like the

1018
01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:00.280
monster hunter aspect of this game,
where some of your quests are to go

1019
01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:05.199
kill this hulking cyclops, troll whatever
dragon. Then you get supplies from them,

1020
01:06:05.199 --> 01:06:11.719
and then you can use that to
craft like more legendary type weapons,

1021
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:15.599
but yeah, it's largely like Tolkien
esque enemies. All some monster on are

1022
01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.239
like in a lot of meat cooking, although when you do it in this

1023
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:23.559
it cuts to actual footage of meat
cooking, which I find really funny.

1024
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:27.519
Did the first one do that?
I don't remember, I don't think,

1025
01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:29.880
so it's I don't know why I
love it so much. It's like when

1026
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:31.320
I go to cook at the campsite
and I'll see like five different kinds,

1027
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:33.440
like, oh, I don't think
I've seen them cook the tiny flank yet,

1028
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:38.079
I'll pick that one. Just here's
this nice b roll of just meat

1029
01:06:38.119 --> 01:06:42.880
cooking. Yeah, actual meat.
There's so much like Little I mean the

1030
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:45.239
first game too, and I'm seeing
that a lot here. There are certain

1031
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.960
times where the you know, like
the AI needs to be good in a

1032
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:50.719
game for the pawn system to work, because it's not just the ponds.

1033
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:55.840
There's also certain parts where in the
main quest, someone basically becomes your party

1034
01:06:55.840 --> 01:07:00.920
member with their entourage for a long
stretch, and there will be some rough

1035
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:03.159
patches where they're like, do you
want to join us on the way to

1036
01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:06.519
the capitol? Jump in this ox
cart with us and kind of basically not

1037
01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:10.719
even really fast travel, but just
like it's gonna be safe for anyone need

1038
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:13.760
to worry about supplies. And I
said, no, I want to kind

1039
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:15.559
of make my way to the capitol. Then I saw, oh, it's

1040
01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:16.920
farther than I thought it was,
So then I jumped in the ox cart

1041
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:19.519
with them. Wait, is that
the early one where you have to go

1042
01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:24.079
like when you first need to go
to the main city. Yeah, okay,

1043
01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:27.199
tell me what I did wrong here, because I went to that ox

1044
01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:30.280
cart and it seemed like I need
to jump in there, and I jumped

1045
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:31.519
in the back and they were like
they said something, and they're like,

1046
01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:33.920
oh, you can't do this,
And so I went the long way and

1047
01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:36.719
I remember thinking like, god,
damn, they spend like this is a

1048
01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:42.119
five or six hour fucking first mission
to like get to this place. So

1049
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:44.880
tell me what the fuck I did
wrong there. It took me a while,

1050
01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:47.880
and I brought that up because one
of two things I didn't realize you

1051
01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:51.679
needed to sit on the bench by
pressing circle next to the main guy and

1052
01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:56.079
then also front of the ox cart. No, on the back there's a

1053
01:07:56.119 --> 01:08:00.599
bench he's sitting on. And then
secondly, one of the his Ai who

1054
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:02.519
was supposed to get up onto the
front seat of the ox cart just was

1055
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:05.440
walking in circles, okay, because
no one was in the back of the

1056
01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:09.480
ox cart when I was there,
But like people like NBCs were talking like

1057
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:12.159
I should, but nobody was back
and I didn't see any prompts. I

1058
01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:14.639
looked for a while. It's like, I guess I'm And it took like

1059
01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:16.920
five buck hours to get to that
city, all right, I guess this

1060
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:20.039
is just an extended tutorial. I
assume. Yeah, And the game is

1061
01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:24.439
much like the first game. I'm
getting the sense, you know, like

1062
01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:28.800
I'm gonna have to be putting up
with some annoying shit like that, because

1063
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.920
like, honestly, I think you
did the right thing. It like,

1064
01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:36.439
this game is very much about the
journey, and like literally like those treks

1065
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:41.720
and the shit you come across,
And it's annoying in a way that that

1066
01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:45.000
main quest giver at the beginning of
that quest, when you leave border Watch

1067
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:49.439
or whatever in melv the town where
you first have those flashbacks to ship in

1068
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:57.279
your past, you're supposed to be
following him on the map. However,

1069
01:08:58.119 --> 01:09:00.039
if your PAWD suggests, oh shit, I think there's a treasure chest over

1070
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:04.039
in this area, based on like
when I was with another Arisen who guided

1071
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:08.520
me to there, and because basically
the lore is that it's a multiverse and

1072
01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:13.880
in each one there's one Arisen who
commands the ponds. That's basically there in

1073
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:15.079
your world, you're the risin and
I'm the risk And that's their way of

1074
01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:17.680
saying, like, this is how
you're sharing ponds. Because they're jumping between

1075
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:21.960
these realms, They're like, oh, I've been here before in another realm

1076
01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:25.079
with a different Orisin, there was
a treasure chest. We should joke check

1077
01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:28.560
it out. So you go to
check that out, and then the main

1078
01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:31.039
guy who you were following. Sometimes
it works really well where the game is

1079
01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:34.720
recognizing that, oh, they should
start following you on this little tangent for

1080
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:39.560
a bit. It's coming back to
the main road and them kicking back into

1081
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:44.359
follow me Captain Price mode. That
is not always smooth. They're path findings

1082
01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:46.439
sometimes, like if we go into
these ruins that are not technically on a

1083
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:51.399
main road, they'll like go way
back to a beginning part of the main

1084
01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:54.760
road before coming back to where you
just were five feet away. It's like

1085
01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:59.279
the path finding and a bad RTS
path finding. Mm hmm, there's a

1086
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:03.960
lot of that already, which Darker
great too. That there was uh like

1087
01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:06.760
it's all time based as well,
so if they're like, hey, you

1088
01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:12.399
need to do this, if you
dick around in enough time, you actually

1089
01:10:12.439 --> 01:10:15.479
do lose that pathway. Yeah,
some of them means or if people can

1090
01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:17.800
die if you don't help them in
time, and things like that, and

1091
01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:23.000
then it's it is it is yeah, which, again, like Darker Risen

1092
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:25.520
was much better because they like cleaned
up a lot of the game and they

1093
01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:30.760
added some other things to This feels
like the original era of Dragon's Dogma one

1094
01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.199
where I was putting up with a
lot of annoying things because I like the

1095
01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:36.399
rest of it so much. And
again like that is the danger in a

1096
01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:41.479
systems game that's so dependent on AI
and these things working smoothly. It's like

1097
01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:45.279
you start to see why so many
developers don't do stuff like that, because

1098
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:46.760
so much can go wrong. So, to be clear, I'm not saying

1099
01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:49.600
that has happened a lot so far
in the five hours, but it's noticeable.

1100
01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:55.520
The game is just rough around the
edges. However, I'm still very

1101
01:10:55.600 --> 01:11:00.000
much enjoying I want to keep playing
it. Like the pond system did not

1102
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:03.319
truly strike. I didn't fully like
understand how amazing it was in the first

1103
01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:06.239
game until like twenty hours in.
And I'm not saying it'll take you twenty

1104
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:09.800
hours to start liking this game.
I enjoyed, you know, some a

1105
01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:14.960
decent number of bits early on,
but once you start unlocking those high level

1106
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:19.720
ponds that also like have this weird
little pond quest about being in someone else's

1107
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:25.000
realm, and it leads you to
like finding this gryffin that you kill,

1108
01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:28.479
who then lets you craft this new
shield that has gryffin feathers on it,

1109
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:32.199
and then you know, you get
your your your pond back and like your

1110
01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:35.319
friend text you is like I just
used Arta that was She'd like saved my

1111
01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:40.199
ass like sixteen times. Like that's
texting Chris Plant today. I al cool.

1112
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:43.279
Yeah, this is That's when it
gets like fun. You know,

1113
01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:47.399
the pond system and also just how
the vocations work. This world map is

1114
01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:54.319
pretty or the world itself is very
Siri Diill Elders Girls four as the original

1115
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:58.399
Dragon's Dagma was. But I think
they've they've put enough interesting stuff in there

1116
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:00.840
and little side quests stuff that popping
up. I really wish I could just

1117
01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:04.159
really sink into it for a few
days. Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to

1118
01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:10.640
put it down for a week.
But I'm intrigued for sure. So I

1119
01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:13.800
have not fast traveled at all yet. And my assumption was, like the

1120
01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:15.600
thing they did teach me that I
haven't used is like you can buy those

1121
01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:19.640
stones or whatever, the ferry stones
or something and warp back to certain areas.

1122
01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:23.800
But like, I just got a
quest. I don't know if you've

1123
01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:26.560
done this in the main city.
And it's like a monster hunting thing where

1124
01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:28.319
it's like, Okay, there's three
spots on the map, you got to

1125
01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:30.239
go kill some monsters, and two
of them were really close to the city,

1126
01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:33.640
and one of them was like as
far away as that first you know

1127
01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:36.039
mission that sent me to the city. And so I was like, fuck,

1128
01:12:36.079 --> 01:12:39.359
I guess that's the game. I
guess I'm doing. I guess another

1129
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:41.880
five hour trek out there or whatever. So do I just need to be

1130
01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:45.239
looking for like carts? Is that
the main thing? Like, like,

1131
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:48.680
how do I am I expected to
to make that entire track? Like I

1132
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:51.359
don't hate that all the time.
There's stuff later on, I will say

1133
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:55.359
camping supplies are a big thing.
Make sure you bring those because you'll come

1134
01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:58.880
across campfires in the wild where you
can rest refill. I always have the

1135
01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:00.479
one. I've got like one graded
one that I have my pond carry and

1136
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:02.680
it seems like it's multiple use.
So it's just like, yeah, every

1137
01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:05.319
time I see a campfire, I
cook, I sleep, yeah, oh

1138
01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:10.239
yeah one of my my I keep
my fighters stocked with camping supplies as often

1139
01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:12.960
as I can. I didn't do
that specific one, but that's a fairly

1140
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:17.720
common quest structure in the first game. It I think they're expecting you to

1141
01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:21.960
really just try to enjoy that trek. Okay, I'd say I'm the wrong

1142
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:26.279
person to ask, because that was
the fun of the game to me.

1143
01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:28.479
And the first one, well,
I just want to make sure I'm not

1144
01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:30.600
missing anything, because I did miss
that initial thing when I did that long

1145
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:33.800
ass you know tracks, but I
did not. I really didn't dislike it,

1146
01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:35.560
like that was the game for me. I was just like, you

1147
01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:40.159
know, running around from campsite to
campsite killing monsters. Yep, it's it's

1148
01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:42.680
very much. I mean the way
I played the reason I love the first

1149
01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:45.880
game it's like make a cocktail,
settle in for a long trek, and

1150
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:49.000
like like, okay, the risk
reward of do I use camping supplies here?

1151
01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:51.920
I hope I can find one higher
up. It's like, well,

1152
01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:56.640
my maid is doing pretty well,
so we'll have healing. My supplies are

1153
01:13:56.640 --> 01:13:58.680
low, but I think I can
get back. Oh fuck, the sun's

1154
01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:01.199
going down now. It's getting scary. It's not like dying light levels of

1155
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:06.119
scary night, but it's up there
because bandits are more frequent at night.

1156
01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:12.000
In the first game, at least
you have finite lantern oil. So yeah,

1157
01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:15.119
it's like survival light elements. It's
not quite like Suns of the Forest

1158
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:18.800
survival, but it's you know,
it's there's survival elements for sure that make

1159
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:23.920
those those those long distance journeys like
those are the joy of the game.

1160
01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:26.520
I think that's why it's working for
me so much, is it does have

1161
01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:30.880
these elements that if they're done too
much will annoy me, Like too much

1162
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:33.560
story will annoy me, too many
like hardcore survival elements will annoy me,

1163
01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:36.760
and things like that. This one, it's like there's enough of a story,

1164
01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:40.439
it doesn't waste too much time.
It's just like, hey, okay,

1165
01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:42.760
you're the orisin we got to go
prove that you're the Arisen. All

1166
01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:45.439
right, let's go to the castle
and then the survival stuff. Like you

1167
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:47.239
mentioned, it's there's systems in place
there and everything, But I don't feel

1168
01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:50.720
like I'm slogging through like a million
different tutorial things like I feel like I

1169
01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:54.479
get it pretty quickly, and even
though it is rep around the edges,

1170
01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:58.199
I think it's got the right balance
and all of these different systems it's trying

1171
01:14:58.199 --> 01:15:00.319
to do. Yeah, it's it
is trying to do a lot much like

1172
01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:03.680
the first game was, and I
think it was a cult classic for the

1173
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:09.760
reason that it was really ambitious for
its size and budget and scope, but

1174
01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:13.720
it nailed those things really well.
I mean, Same State of Decay two

1175
01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:15.319
is not the cleanest game I've ever
played, but it's one of my favorites

1176
01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:18.760
because of the way those systems are
all interacting with one another, and I

1177
01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:23.840
get so much more attached to those
kind of characters or like Nemesis system enemies

1178
01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:30.560
than I do in most scripted situations. But yeah, I want to keep

1179
01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:34.680
playing it. I'm uha. I
made a maybe not surprisingly, I made

1180
01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:39.359
a cat man for my main character, the beast string. I believe they're

1181
01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:42.239
called Oh yeah, yeah, you
can basically just be a person or a

1182
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:45.279
cat person, So of course I'm
gonna be a cat. I have a

1183
01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:49.520
my uh my main paonnd is like
a seven and a half foot tall wizard

1184
01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:53.560
with terrible posture. Oh you made
it might hunch over? No, no,

1185
01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:58.960
no, he leans back when he
watchs and it's just like giant Yeah,

1186
01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:02.359
like he's got a gumby walk.
He walked back in his elbow angle

1187
01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:06.239
and his knee angle is both like
best man walk. You know. I

1188
01:16:06.279 --> 01:16:13.560
actually made my pond like semi normal. I guess she's but then she's she's

1189
01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:16.000
kind of a psycho. It's nice
in a world where you can be anything.

1190
01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:21.079
Mike is a cat and Dan is
gumby pon. I'm a cool thief

1191
01:16:21.159 --> 01:16:28.079
lady. Yeah, yeah, I
want to use your I gotta find your

1192
01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:32.560
what's your pawn's name? Uh?
Kan okay? R c A N Is

1193
01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:34.800
that did you write that? Or
is that the Moniker? No? I

1194
01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:38.680
picked the Moniker and then I just
named I did that with my main character

1195
01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:40.479
too, because like I didn't know
if it was going to be vocalized.

1196
01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:43.239
It like the just have to be
the same. Yeah, as I understand,

1197
01:16:43.319 --> 01:16:45.720
the moniker shows up in the world
like when you're looking at searching for

1198
01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:49.000
ponds, but then if you look
at their actual stats, the name name

1199
01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:56.159
will show up. I could yeah, yeah, but anyway, yeah,

1200
01:16:56.560 --> 01:17:00.560
I I I'm excited to play more
of that game. I didn't truly love

1201
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:04.520
the first game until like twenty hours
in anyway, so I'm maybe that will

1202
01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:06.880
happen again. I don't know,
we'll see. Yeah, I'm having a

1203
01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:11.920
lot of fun with this somewhere,
Mary, How's how's it going? Also

1204
01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:15.800
a very systems driven AI geeky kind
of game, Battle for Bikini Bottom.

1205
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:20.880
I know that's very complex and high
brow, more survival stuff, right,

1206
01:17:21.079 --> 01:17:27.079
Yeah, this has been a ten
year battle because anyone who knows Battle for

1207
01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:30.680
Bikini Bottom would understand that this four
has happened since two thousand and three,

1208
01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:36.199
which is when I first originally played
this game. Now rehydrated did refresh the

1209
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:43.760
graphics and some gameplay elements, but
the basics of it is the same game

1210
01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:48.319
I remember from when I was in
high school, which is a platformer where

1211
01:17:48.359 --> 01:17:59.880
you collect shiny objects and golden what
are they called flippity flues battle flip.

1212
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:02.119
Sorry, I can't believe you're trying
to get what I wanted off from a

1213
01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:09.720
flippity flu no aspatchela, and you're
basically like saving Bikini Bottom from a bunch

1214
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:14.640
of robots that planked and created,
but they actually self replicated and now they've

1215
01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:19.720
taken over the town. It has
a lot of the nostalgia that I was

1216
01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:26.199
looking for. This is actually the
reason that I purchased an Xbox many many

1217
01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:31.640
moonso, so you can thank Battle
for Bikini Bottom for how I kind of

1218
01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:36.960
got more hardcore into games. Originally
I was playing like more simple DS games,

1219
01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:41.600
but when Battle for Bikini Bottom came
out, I had to get that

1220
01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:45.239
Xbox to play it anyway, and
that kind of like started a cascading effect

1221
01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:47.199
of like playing Gears and a whole
bunch of other games. So anyway,

1222
01:18:47.239 --> 01:18:53.600
the point is is I actually never
finished Bump SpongeBob SquarePants Battle for Bikini Bottoms.

1223
01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:56.880
It was such a difficult game back
then, and some would say broken,

1224
01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:01.760
and so this is kind of my
redemption to rehydrated. It's, uh,

1225
01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:04.800
it looks a lot better. I
do think that the gameplay is still

1226
01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:11.319
outrageously stupid and uh, sometimes it
just doesn't make sense or I don't know

1227
01:19:11.319 --> 01:19:14.439
what they were thinking when they did
it. A good example is like you'll

1228
01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:18.760
see something that you want, like
a golden spatula, and it'll be above

1229
01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:21.560
water, and so you'll be like, cool, I'm gonna dive down and

1230
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:26.279
get it, and you dive and
you instantly die. Because a SpongeBob can't

1231
01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:30.439
swim despite the fact that he's in
the fucking ocean. Does he swim in

1232
01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:34.119
the show or is he always inside
like contained in the game he cannot swim?

1233
01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:40.560
Is he went in a show so
the the swimming water the whole time,

1234
01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:43.039
but I know he was in buildings. I haven't seen the show,

1235
01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:45.880
so I don't know if he's like
mine to water. I'm sorry. Have

1236
01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:53.680
you never seen an episode of Much
Mold? Simply generation it transcends, you've

1237
01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:56.800
you've never seen one episode? I
think. I think Bank showed me one

1238
01:19:56.840 --> 01:19:59.439
episode when we first met, and
I was like, oh, I would

1239
01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:01.520
have loved this if I was,
like, I appreciate it now, but

1240
01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:03.119
like you know, you get to
that age where it's like I don't want

1241
01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:06.000
cart doing it anymore, you know, unless Simpsons. But again, it

1242
01:20:06.119 --> 01:20:11.319
transcends, like it's no, it's
very funny. The chocolate selling episode is

1243
01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:15.119
like for all ages. It's not
a child's episode, that is for everybody.

1244
01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:17.640
Everyone can enjoy that episode. But
I find that fascinating that you have

1245
01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:23.279
no idea this universe because it's very
it's it's clearly developed for people who are

1246
01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:27.159
fans of the show. I think
you would not understand or give a shit

1247
01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:30.239
about this game Dan in any capacity. It's a lot of inside jokes about

1248
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:34.720
all the characters, Mister Crabs obviously, like selling you out for cash money

1249
01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:40.680
and squid word being like it's just
a selfish prick the whole time. It

1250
01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:45.279
just like it's it's the show manifested
into a game, but it's it's silly.

1251
01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:49.439
The answer to the puzzle where I
can't swim is that later on in

1252
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:57.680
the game you it's an underwear dive, and so like they they hook your

1253
01:20:57.720 --> 01:21:00.399
underwear and then you like stretch it
all the way to the bottom to get

1254
01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:05.000
this batula and then it like zip
zaxy back up. It's like an ability

1255
01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:09.039
that you get is the underwear thing. It's just a random hook and it's

1256
01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:12.119
just like, no, you can
dive now that you found this hook.

1257
01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:15.640
Yeah, it's so stupid. But
I was like, they didn't explain it,

1258
01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:18.840
so you instinct is to jump in
the water, and that's wrong.

1259
01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:23.800
The game is dumb. I think
the review is this game is stupid as

1260
01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:27.680
hell. It's a lot of what
I remember when I was in high school.

1261
01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:31.199
It is a silly game for silly
people. But if you it's on

1262
01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:33.359
game Pass right now, which is
why I played. I did not kiss

1263
01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:38.560
it wow, And I only played
it because I saw it on game Pass

1264
01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:40.760
and I thought to myself, oh
my god, is that the same game

1265
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:45.560
I played like so long ago?
And it is. It is the game

1266
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:48.720
that I played many moons ago,
and it's just kind of like a nice

1267
01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:51.880
to go back and actually beat it. So I'm gonna beat my high school

1268
01:21:51.920 --> 01:22:00.039
nemesis. Nice. That's it.
You've been playing anything else? Dan briefly

1269
01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:05.159
today tried out Windowkill on Jeff Grubbs's
recommendation. It is a weird little five

1270
01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:10.760
dollar game on Steam that like think
Geometry Wars, but it's done on your

1271
01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:14.960
desktop and it's opening up a bunch
of different windows for like you start in

1272
01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:16.439
a box and like, let's say, so it's you know, you're you're

1273
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:19.880
a ship and it's like a dual
stix shooter thing and you're shooting other enemies.

1274
01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:24.520
But let's say you hit the wall
of the window, it expands the

1275
01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:27.159
window out, and so the windows
kind of trying to box you win all

1276
01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:30.119
the time. So you're killing the
enemies and you're trying to shoot the windows

1277
01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:33.840
window to make it bigger like your
playspace, but then bosses will pop up

1278
01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:39.439
in other windows, and so you're
trying to make your window expand into theirs.

1279
01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:43.720
It's it's really it's a cool gimmick. It's it's it's a rogue light

1280
01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:46.439
too, So it's like Geometry Wars
rogue light that's opening up a bunch of

1281
01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:50.640
different windows on your operating system.
And uh, it's not like a like

1282
01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:55.640
a hypnospace or something like that where
it's all a fake operating system. It

1283
01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:59.359
is literally like these windows are popping
up over whatever you have on your desktop.

1284
01:22:59.760 --> 01:23:01.039
So, like I was looking,
I had, like in the background

1285
01:23:01.119 --> 01:23:05.239
of my game, I had Mike
Minatti playing Moratal Combat sub zero and I'm

1286
01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:09.039
shooting stuff over it and boxes are
popping up over his face and stuff.

1287
01:23:09.039 --> 01:23:12.920
It's a it's a cool gimmick.
I like it. I like an it

1288
01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:15.680
looks fun. Yeah, anything that
it kind of plays with like your actual

1289
01:23:15.800 --> 01:23:19.000
operating system in a novel manner like
that. Like, I think that's pretty

1290
01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:23.840
cool. Do you think though that
it is like five dollars is such a

1291
01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:26.800
reasonable price point, But like,
how long can you really see yourself playing

1292
01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:30.800
this game? Yeah? I probably
not a ton honestly. It's like there's

1293
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:32.920
nothing about the It does not feel
as you know, tight as like a

1294
01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:35.720
Geometry Wars or anything like that.
I mean, you can upgrade your fire

1295
01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:40.880
rate and things like that and splash
damage and it's not bad by any means.

1296
01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:43.680
But I do think the star from
what I've played, is the the

1297
01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:46.119
hook. They are the novelty,
the novelty value of it. Yeah,

1298
01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:49.159
I'm looking at it now. I
didn't realize I didn't. Maybe you probably

1299
01:23:49.199 --> 01:23:53.399
said this. I didn't hear you
saying that you can actually move the windows

1300
01:23:53.439 --> 01:23:58.760
though, or that's just on the
main menu. I don't I might have

1301
01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:00.399
missed that. I was playing with
controller, and then when I quit to

1302
01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:03.319
get on this call, I saw
it recommend that like, oh, hey,

1303
01:24:03.399 --> 01:24:06.279
you you can use the controller,
but we recommend keyboard in the mouse.

1304
01:24:06.279 --> 01:24:10.520
So like I am wondering if there's
more to it that I don't realize.

1305
01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:14.319
But yeah, they get makes seem
pretty solid. Okay, cool neat

1306
01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:16.920
that might be all the video games
this week, kind of like, no,

1307
01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:20.199
that's not real, that's not correct. What else? There's two more.

1308
01:24:21.119 --> 01:24:29.640
I'm not going to let us go
without talking about Hell Divers. There

1309
01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:32.119
have been several nights in the last
week where I've thought, after we talked

1310
01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:35.319
last week about how you're always like
excited if someone asked about Hell Divers.

1311
01:24:35.319 --> 01:24:39.319
I've had a few nights from like, am I in the mood for some

1312
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:41.680
Hell Divers? Here? I could
text Mary, I could ask her,

1313
01:24:41.840 --> 01:24:43.880
but I knew if I texted you
and we played, I was gonna want

1314
01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:45.680
to make a drink. And I
was like, ahh, I'll be good

1315
01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:48.600
tonight. I'll go to beout at
ten o'clock instead of drinking till one o'clock

1316
01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:53.239
playing Hell Divers. But I was
tempted several times. I'm still playing Hell

1317
01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:56.119
Divers. The reason I think it's
worth bringing up is that there's been a

1318
01:24:56.119 --> 01:25:00.439
really interesting evolution that I think has
had an impact in games. That's why

1319
01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:03.239
I'm bringing it up. Like if
we play every time, we play a

1320
01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:05.399
game like eight weeks in a row, you don't have to fucking talk about

1321
01:25:05.439 --> 01:25:10.560
it anymore. But hell Divers is
doing something really interesting right now. What

1322
01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:13.600
they're doing is, you know,
like when Destiny has an update, they'll

1323
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:18.560
be like, March twenty fourth,
there's a new chapter and here's what it

1324
01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:21.560
looks like, and here's the boss
you're gonna fight. Okay, hell Divers

1325
01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:27.840
is updating the game, and when
and when the people are finding out in

1326
01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:30.880
the game that they've updated it.
I'll give you an example. All of

1327
01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:33.680
a sudden, people are playing it
and there's bugs that are flying. They

1328
01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:39.640
will go to Discord or to Reddit
and be like, whoa wait, there

1329
01:25:39.640 --> 01:25:43.960
a flying bugs and the developer is
like, no, there's absolutely no evidence

1330
01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:48.279
that bugs can fly, and saying
so is actually counter your kind of like

1331
01:25:48.439 --> 01:25:51.319
siding with the bugs on this,
and we don't want bug apologists, and

1332
01:25:51.359 --> 01:26:00.439
they'll fucking like threaten from the discord. They're denying, they're pulling a propaganda

1333
01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:04.439
and the game that are like addicted
to they're getting in on it. They're

1334
01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:06.640
getting in on it, and they're
basically like, get out of here,

1335
01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:10.840
get out of here. We promised
you there were they said that bugs don't

1336
01:26:10.840 --> 01:26:13.239
fly, So what you're saying is
actually like out of line, and you

1337
01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:15.800
need to be quiet. And the
buds are fucking for how many people are

1338
01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:18.760
like going on the subreddit for the
first time with a very earnest question and

1339
01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:28.840
everyone just giving them misinformationists do it
for democracy, Like they're evolutionizing game updates

1340
01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:32.640
here, because we've had a system
where again, like Destiny, you're basically

1341
01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:38.119
feeding your audience and saying like,
here's a couple of nibbles to let you

1342
01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:41.319
be excited because we do have a
big update coming and here's the length of

1343
01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:44.720
it, and here's like, here's
what you can expect from it. This

1344
01:26:44.760 --> 01:26:48.199
game is doing the opposite. It
is updating the game and denying the updates,

1345
01:26:48.439 --> 01:26:55.920
and it is fueling this this game
fandom so hard. People who are

1346
01:26:55.960 --> 01:27:00.760
addicts of this game are freaking out
because they don't because the games are lying

1347
01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:03.880
to them or like, who's to
say, really, and there's something fucked

1348
01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:06.760
happening, Dan, there are people
who are like playing this game that are

1349
01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:11.479
all of a sudden getting sniped by
like lasers and it's never happened before,

1350
01:27:11.479 --> 01:27:15.960
It's never happened, and and they're
like where's this laser coming from? And

1351
01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:17.720
the devs are like, we've never
heard of this. I think you friends

1352
01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:23.239
whatever, dude, yes, either
their own friends are like, you're you

1353
01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:26.039
obviously have made that up. You
should just like be quiet and eat your

1354
01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:29.119
food. Well, I think it's
happening. We don't know. But what

1355
01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:31.000
what the audience is starting to assume
is that there's going to be a new

1356
01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:41.119
faction. That's right, that's right, Mike, there was, and so

1357
01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:45.920
this one is only bugs and uh
and robots, but this blue laser is

1358
01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:50.960
hitting people. Another rumor that's hitting
the town is that we're using a ship

1359
01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:56.399
ton of nukes to get the bugs, and everyone's like are these nukes good

1360
01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:59.039
for humanity? Like is this going
to impact us? And the devs are

1361
01:27:59.039 --> 01:28:00.880
like, don't worry about it.
Use as much gas as can, like

1362
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:03.880
get in that gas, like go
for it. And there's just like something

1363
01:28:04.039 --> 01:28:09.640
fucked about the way they're like feeding
us into using as much like gas related

1364
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:14.560
like nukee systems as possible and denying
like flying bugs. That makes everyone be

1365
01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:17.159
like they're gonna fucking they're gonna drop
a new faction and then they're just gonna

1366
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:21.239
deny it. It's that's so cool. It's fucking brilliant. It's so cool

1367
01:28:23.279 --> 01:28:25.880
that was happening. That's awesome.
That oh my god. Oh wait,

1368
01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:30.920
yeah, so the the the last
faction in the uh in helldivers was the

1369
01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:35.920
Illuminate. They were like the elite
aliens that use blue laser shit. Well

1370
01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:40.479
well well, and people are getting
sniped by blue lasers, like at the

1371
01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:43.439
end, like when the drop ship
is coming and they're denying it. It's

1372
01:28:43.680 --> 01:28:47.159
it's fucking fascinating, you guys.
I think this is like a new era

1373
01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:55.319
of uh of Dev's slowly unleashing gameplay
where there well that's like a way story

1374
01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:58.680
too though, like they're using the
format of like a live service game to

1375
01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:02.439
tell the story, Like they did
that a bit with the asynchronous worldwide multiplayer

1376
01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:05.239
the first game, but like they
did not have the resources. Also,

1377
01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:10.640
people were not even then as online
as they are today, so I think

1378
01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:14.840
they're embracing that in a way.
That's like now they're playing like the the

1379
01:29:14.840 --> 01:29:18.199
propagandists. Yes, they are the
propagandists, and they're playing the role really

1380
01:29:18.239 --> 01:29:21.560
well and it's working well for them. There's nothing funnier. The Red is

1381
01:29:21.560 --> 01:29:26.119
actually quite interesting. I do encourage
everyone to go check out the hell Diver's

1382
01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:30.199
read it, because even like not
just not the devs, other users will

1383
01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:32.039
be like, get out of here, you bug apologist. They said there's

1384
01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:35.079
no flying bugs, and you're feeding
into the system and the lies and it's

1385
01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:39.760
I just looked at a YouTube video
about flying bugs and all the comments are

1386
01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:42.720
like get out what is this bullshit? Like get out of here, Like

1387
01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:46.359
I find this offensive, even though
the footage is there of the bugs.

1388
01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:53.680
The footage is there, and people
are like, you've clearly doctored this.

1389
01:29:54.239 --> 01:30:00.800
This is very upsetting. You should
go to jail. It's just New World.

1390
01:30:00.399 --> 01:30:03.920
I can't tell you how much I'm
enjoying it. The drama associated with

1391
01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:08.319
like how they're doing this and how
much the community is eating it up,

1392
01:30:08.479 --> 01:30:12.199
to me is more interesting, Like
the game is obviously still phenomenal, like

1393
01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:16.600
it's it's just so alluring, Like
this is so interesting to me, how

1394
01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:19.720
they're how they're getting away with it
and how the audience is like feeding into

1395
01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:26.079
it. Is this the termicide stuff? Is that the gas ye safety sheets

1396
01:30:26.119 --> 01:30:29.319
like saying like it's not safe,
it's not saved, and then people being

1397
01:30:29.399 --> 01:30:33.159
it's completely safe. Keep using it
like that's fuckings are like, there's nothing

1398
01:30:33.159 --> 01:30:38.039
that's said that termicide hurts humans,
like keep keep go for it. It's

1399
01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:43.880
just giant, giant nukes are going
off and you're like shooting and everyone's like,

1400
01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:46.079
it's fine. They told us it's
fine. Don't fucking question them.

1401
01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:49.800
Oh my god. Someone I just
saw a clip on the Reddit. Someone

1402
01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:55.159
died and was coming back into a
pod and they landed on a moving drop

1403
01:30:55.199 --> 01:30:59.119
ship that was dropping a tank off, and they like got out on the

1404
01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:05.920
drop ship and then rode the tank
down to the ground. It's it's a

1405
01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:09.800
very it's very smart what they're doing. I'm very curious. I think we

1406
01:31:09.880 --> 01:31:13.640
all know what's about to happen.
But what's so juicy is you don't know

1407
01:31:13.640 --> 01:31:15.560
when it's going to happen, you
don't know how it's gonna happen. And

1408
01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:19.319
they're not going to like play this
as a usual update. This will not

1409
01:31:19.399 --> 01:31:25.640
be a standard release of a game. They are essentially going to deny it

1410
01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:30.119
and and we're going to eat it
up because it's brilliant. It's just really

1411
01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:31.960
cool what they're doing. Anyway,
Like that's my update. I think it's

1412
01:31:32.960 --> 01:31:36.399
it's one of the coolest things I've
ever seen. I already wanted to play

1413
01:31:36.399 --> 01:31:39.960
more of that, and now hearing
that, I just super want to get

1414
01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:43.640
back in. That's that's so cool. I love that there's little hints throughout

1415
01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:45.880
the game that they might be doing
something. There's like they're like releasing new

1416
01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:50.520
armor suits that are like like,
why are you releasing this armor suit right

1417
01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:58.039
now? Like the that's right,
the world is a buzz to what is

1418
01:31:58.079 --> 01:32:01.039
going on but that, but we
I gotta find it. There was an

1419
01:32:01.039 --> 01:32:03.520
interview that they did back with the
first game where they're like, in an

1420
01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:08.399
ideal world, we would do shit
like that where like you get this new

1421
01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:10.880
armoor set that's resistant to this thing, and you're like, well, what

1422
01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:13.159
the fuck is this thing? And
then all of a sudden, the stuff

1423
01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:16.520
like I could see that being the
world where these termicide nukes we've been using

1424
01:32:17.199 --> 01:32:20.800
are now creating maps where you are
just going to gradually lose health if you

1425
01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:26.159
don't have that kind of armor and
that's our fault. And there an image

1426
01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:29.359
on the separator here just titled it's
real with this, you know, picture

1427
01:32:29.439 --> 01:32:32.359
of a blue laser and then like
first thing being like this is like UFO

1428
01:32:32.439 --> 01:32:36.800
sidings taken as shittiest potato quality images
possible. Oh, I didn't think it

1429
01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:41.199
was possible for playground rumors for games
just still exists in twenty twenty four.

1430
01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:46.319
Oh, this is this is good. You can expose too long to the

1431
01:32:46.319 --> 01:32:49.800
thermicide chemicals, fellow, Hell do
I ever report the nearest infirmary. It's

1432
01:32:49.880 --> 01:32:55.960
chemtrails and conspiracy theories in a game, and everyone's just playing along. Everyone's

1433
01:32:55.960 --> 01:32:59.600
just in Kpe about this. I
love it. It's eating it up if

1434
01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:02.039
you if you're on the post truth
era, it's a game of our time.

1435
01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:11.199
Conspiracy City like theory City, everyone's
playing wrong. I think it's I

1436
01:33:11.199 --> 01:33:15.239
think it's the most interesting thing I've
ever seen in like recent years. I

1437
01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:18.880
can't think of another thing that is
like evolutionized. How you would update a

1438
01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:24.199
game like this? It's so interesting
to me. Yeah, this is awesome.

1439
01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:32.000
Yeah, it was very cool.
It Mary what you have? Frog

1440
01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:36.800
Detective? Oh yeah, I played
Frog Detective with my mom. It's not

1441
01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:42.199
nearly as interesting as Hell Diverse,
but I will say I played another episode

1442
01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:45.520
of Frog Detective. Is the most
wholesome, sweetest ship you'll ever play in

1443
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:47.399
your life. If you're like,
oh, my god, my niece is

1444
01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:50.880
coming over. My I've always wanted
to like connect with my parents, like

1445
01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:55.760
play play one round of like round, play a level of Frog Detective.

1446
01:33:55.800 --> 01:34:00.159
It's so cute, it's it's such
adorable writing. It's sweet as pie,

1447
01:34:00.720 --> 01:34:03.600
cool period. That's a you solve
the stupidest mysteries in the whole world,

1448
01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:08.039
and it's just adorable. And my
mom is a saint. She visited me

1449
01:34:08.079 --> 01:34:11.399
this week. Yeah, she was
great. We had a good time.

1450
01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:15.279
We went to Astoria, which is
where they filled the Gooni's oh yeah,

1451
01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:18.880
yeah, she loved it. So
Long Astoria? That's that? What that?

1452
01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:24.560
Or is that a story of Queen's
Oh I'm talking about so Long a

1453
01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:28.760
Storia from that was a band that
you be, the ones who did the

1454
01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:34.399
Boys of Summer right, Yes,
the ataris or Oregon. It's deaf,

1455
01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:38.039
it's got to be the same.
I don't know. I can't even like

1456
01:34:38.159 --> 01:34:41.479
say that with a straight face.
I have no idea. But it was

1457
01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:45.920
definitely during the same era of me
playing Battle for Bikini Bottom. So two

1458
01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:51.600
pieces of nostalgia coming at you hot
anyway, that's it. Now I'm looking

1459
01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:58.720
at more propaganda on here. The
propaganda is so fu, why aren't you.

1460
01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:01.680
I love when they give for not
playing the game because you're not helping

1461
01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:05.560
the war effort. Yeah, yeah, I get. I get. I

1462
01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:11.680
was in uh s F this week
for work and the people were like,

1463
01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:14.279
we're texting me. They're like,
we're about ready to drop, and I

1464
01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:15.680
was like, I'm sorry, I
only got to work there. I have

1465
01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:18.560
to work. And they were just
like, oh, you are so busy

1466
01:35:18.640 --> 01:35:25.520
working that you can't defend humanity.
Yeah's your job? What's your job going

1467
01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:28.039
to be worth? What's the stock
market going to be worth? Mary?

1468
01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:31.000
When humanity has been overrun by bunks? Is money that important to you?

1469
01:35:31.239 --> 01:35:35.439
Just like I guess I have to
work the stock market? Mary, Yeah,

1470
01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:41.760
it's absolutely ragging on me. Yes, it is Rob Handler and Peter

1471
01:35:41.800 --> 01:35:45.720
Brown. Oh my god, the
video you posted of him his voice over

1472
01:35:45.880 --> 01:35:49.680
when you were all dropping. I
don't uh dan if you've seen that.

1473
01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:56.279
But like every time we drop Dan
uh Dan, Rob pretends that he's dropping

1474
01:35:56.319 --> 01:36:05.560
in real life and screams like this
guy. Sometimes he'll be like, tell

1475
01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:12.279
my kids, I love them.
Does he live with anyone? His dog

1476
01:36:12.439 --> 01:36:15.359
freaks out? Mate? So sometimes
we'll be like, why didn't you do

1477
01:36:15.399 --> 01:36:17.680
it? He'll be like, my
dog's really upset. I can't do it

1478
01:36:17.680 --> 01:36:21.960
for the rest of the night,
does it. I'm just picturing like a

1479
01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:26.399
significant other in the house and like, what the fuck is happening around eight

1480
01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:32.439
times a night? What are you? Okay, that's really good, Jesus.

1481
01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:35.680
I gotta play more of that game. And Dragon's too. But I'm

1482
01:36:35.680 --> 01:36:39.680
just gonna be playing Billottro all week
in San Francisco. It's so hard.

1483
01:36:39.680 --> 01:36:42.479
There's so many good games right now. It is actually quite competitive. Like

1484
01:36:42.520 --> 01:36:46.119
my time is precious and my priorities
are. If I'm on a plane,

1485
01:36:46.119 --> 01:36:50.119
it's Billatro all day, all night, like that's where I'm at. If

1486
01:36:50.119 --> 01:36:54.840
I'm home and I'm thinking about playing
something, If I get a text,

1487
01:36:55.199 --> 01:36:57.840
that's it. It's hell Divers.
I'm playing Hell Divers with my buds.

1488
01:36:58.600 --> 01:37:02.000
And then if there's nobody and I'm
lone skis, it's probably DRAGONSGMA right.

1489
01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:05.159
Like it's like there's like there's systems
that I have and you have to like

1490
01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:08.760
if you're at home, you have
to set rules for like, Okay,

1491
01:37:08.840 --> 01:37:11.720
I'm not even gonna start Bilatro because
I don't know how many nights I've like

1492
01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:14.920
planned on playing something else and it's
eight thirty and I'm like, I'll do,

1493
01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:15.800
like, let me do a quick
run of Blatro, get one good

1494
01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:19.000
run in and then I'm fucking going
to bed and I'm bringing Blotro in there.

1495
01:37:19.039 --> 01:37:24.399
You know. The night that I
played, I played Blotro for like

1496
01:37:24.439 --> 01:37:29.479
five hours. Unexpectedly. I was
playing Frog Detective with my mother and we

1497
01:37:29.640 --> 01:37:33.439
beat the game. These these levels
are so short, they're like an hour,

1498
01:37:33.560 --> 01:37:35.960
right and I stream for three hours. So my mom was like,

1499
01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:39.399
that was a great level. I'm
going to bed now, and my mom

1500
01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:41.439
leaves, I have two hours left
to stream, and I was like,

1501
01:37:41.560 --> 01:37:45.079
whatever, I'll play like a huple
hands of Blottro. Four hours later,

1502
01:37:45.479 --> 01:37:50.000
I was fucking racking up points on
Blatro. I was fucking addicted again.

1503
01:37:50.039 --> 01:37:54.039
I was playing it in bed on
my Steam deck, like I have to

1504
01:37:54.079 --> 01:37:59.560
actually take a break from Blatro.
Yeah, I love Volatro so much that

1505
01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:01.279
one's like that one's really in there. I also think it's gonna be a

1506
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:04.600
great one for like when we're in
the kind of frenzy right now, because

1507
01:38:04.600 --> 01:38:08.760
it just came out fairly recently,
but I think eight months from now,

1508
01:38:08.880 --> 01:38:10.960
if I'm on a plane and I
just need to pass the time. And

1509
01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:14.079
I haven't played Blattro in two or
three months. I think that's gonna be

1510
01:38:14.079 --> 01:38:15.840
the most evergreen shit to just pull
up and be like, you're not gonna

1511
01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:18.680
forget like how the game works,
or how poker works or anything like.

1512
01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:24.880
I think that's gonna be a plain
game for years for me. I I

1513
01:38:24.960 --> 01:38:30.560
agree. I think Blatro will stick
around. It has extraordinary replayability. I

1514
01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:32.960
will say I've played it so much
to the point where I've seen I feel

1515
01:38:32.960 --> 01:38:35.439
like I've seen a lot of the
Jokers and I'm just like, whatever,

1516
01:38:35.479 --> 01:38:40.159
I know that Joker's trash and I'm
like, I'm burning through runs. But

1517
01:38:40.560 --> 01:38:44.039
you can easily update the game with
like additional Jokers, and the idea for

1518
01:38:44.119 --> 01:38:46.560
me to like get a fresh Joker
and play a completely different run. Plus

1519
01:38:46.560 --> 01:38:49.560
the different levels of run right,
like mistakes and everything. Yeah, yeah,

1520
01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:53.399
the different stakes, the different ones
that restrict you in different ways.

1521
01:38:53.399 --> 01:38:57.000
There's one challenge. Most the challenge
modes are nuts, and then there's Endless

1522
01:38:57.000 --> 01:39:00.560
Mode. Yep, yep. I
played Endless Mode where the small blind was

1523
01:39:00.640 --> 01:39:08.479
seven million. I was like,
well, I'm fucking dead, like twelve.

1524
01:39:08.479 --> 01:39:11.279
It starts getting like that and it's
like if you look at like the

1525
01:39:11.279 --> 01:39:14.199
breakdown, it gets sound to like, you know, to the twenty seventh

1526
01:39:14.239 --> 01:39:16.800
power and should say, Jesus Christ, I've only gotten to any eleven.

1527
01:39:16.840 --> 01:39:21.479
That's part as I've gotten I should
check. I wonder does it tell you

1528
01:39:21.560 --> 01:39:25.039
I got Yeah? The status there's
a couple of stat screens, like if

1529
01:39:25.079 --> 01:39:27.800
you look at the it's in a
weird spot, like it's something like the

1530
01:39:28.079 --> 01:39:30.760
blinds or the tags. When you
go to the collection, there's a thing

1531
01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:32.920
on the left that tells you like
what all the anties are. And then

1532
01:39:32.920 --> 01:39:35.560
if you go to your profile and
the stats, you'll see how many times

1533
01:39:35.600 --> 01:39:39.720
you've won. You see what your
your highest antie was. Things like that.

1534
01:39:39.800 --> 01:39:43.640
You're there's a straight up progress meter
and I've played fifty hours of the

1535
01:39:43.640 --> 01:39:49.000
game and I'm at like twenty three
percent. I want to look I that

1536
01:39:49.079 --> 01:39:53.680
sounds really interesting to me of like
how how far I've gotten in things like

1537
01:39:53.720 --> 01:40:00.479
that profile one is that where it
is yeah yeah, God, buttons where

1538
01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:04.319
it's just like we can reset your
profile is so rude. Why would you

1539
01:40:04.359 --> 01:40:09.800
do that? Why would you ever
reset a profile? What was your problem?

1540
01:40:10.479 --> 01:40:13.119
Did you say it's in collection?
If you want to see. If

1541
01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:15.159
you go to your profile and then
stats, it'll tell you that stuff,

1542
01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:19.039
but then there's like the actual like
what the the h the anti numbers are

1543
01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:23.319
is hidden in some collection thing,
But the profile thing will tell you some

1544
01:40:23.359 --> 01:40:26.720
interesting ones like your progress meter.
I don't see. So if it just

1545
01:40:26.760 --> 01:40:29.079
says like Mary or I don't know
if you said you're on Steam deck,

1546
01:40:29.880 --> 01:40:36.680
Uh, well I'm I've opened it
up right now in Steam on my computer.

1547
01:40:38.039 --> 01:40:41.800
This is dangerous. I haven't I
haven't played on there. But there

1548
01:40:41.800 --> 01:40:44.680
should be a part where you just
like click like profile or your name or

1549
01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:48.159
something like that. I am clicking
on profile, but I don't see where

1550
01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:53.159
it says all the cool stuff that
I've got to options. I'm gonna I'm

1551
01:40:53.159 --> 01:40:56.000
gonna let's come back to this in
the email section once you find it.

1552
01:40:56.279 --> 01:40:59.560
Do you guys want to do emails
and also talk about Mary's Balatro stats.

1553
01:41:00.199 --> 01:41:04.079
I'm going to play around, okay. As usually, you can read into

1554
01:41:04.079 --> 01:41:09.439
fire Escape cast at gmail dot com
for questions, comments, concerns, ask

1555
01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:12.760
us fun stuff about games or anything
else. Married did you find your stats

1556
01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:16.319
Fortro? My best hand, Uh, it wasn't as high as I thought.

1557
01:41:16.319 --> 01:41:20.399
I think that. Uh oh,
I thought I was getting sting.

1558
01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:25.920
It's my Auntie was eleven. My
highest round was twenty eight, and I

1559
01:41:26.039 --> 01:41:30.079
was getting over. I was getting
nine hundred and five thousand each hand.

1560
01:41:30.119 --> 01:41:32.840
Nine hundred and five thousand. Wait, it tells you like your average.

1561
01:41:33.159 --> 01:41:39.159
It says your best hand. And
I was getting nine hundred thousand each hand

1562
01:41:39.399 --> 01:41:43.279
because I had a system that was
essentially giving me the exact same almost number

1563
01:41:43.399 --> 01:41:45.239
each time. Crazy, Okay,
within like a couple thousand. So what's

1564
01:41:45.239 --> 01:41:50.760
your progress, mater at Oh,
that's a good question. Twenty seven.

1565
01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:58.359
Okay, I'm at twenty seven too, exactly twenty seven. That's so cute.

1566
01:41:58.760 --> 01:42:02.319
Yeah, I get fourteen percent of
the collection. Yeah, wow,

1567
01:42:03.680 --> 01:42:08.640
what are the odds? I'm probably
at like six. I have thirty six

1568
01:42:08.680 --> 01:42:11.960
percent of the collection. But I
don't think I have as many challenges and

1569
01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:15.399
stuff as you do. Probably I
haven't touched with challenges. I've just made

1570
01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:17.640
a point of, like, anytime
I see a not discovered joker, if

1571
01:42:17.680 --> 01:42:21.000
I'm having like a bad run,
I'll just buy stuff from the store just

1572
01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:24.720
to like fill out the collection.
I see what you're saying. I don't

1573
01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:27.760
do that. I go for the
like I try and get like the highest

1574
01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:31.119
whatever. It's interesting. Cool.
Okay. My most played hand is two

1575
01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:34.520
pair. I'm gonna play this after
how much money? What's your most money?

1576
01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:39.399
I'm just curious most money. Let
me see. I'm absolutely gonna start

1577
01:42:39.439 --> 01:42:44.920
this and play until I go to
bed. Collection ninety three joker stickers five

1578
01:42:45.000 --> 01:42:50.079
percent. Jesus fucking Christ, I'm
at zero percent. That's so sad.

1579
01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:58.800
Yes, okay, best hand is
four million, highest roundest thirty, highest

1580
01:42:58.840 --> 01:43:02.039
antis eleven. Most money is two
thirty. What was yours? Two hundred?

1581
01:43:02.079 --> 01:43:04.760
Most money? Okay, okay,
that was such a good hand.

1582
01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:11.159
I was just like, whatever the
cost, I'm so rich, you can't

1583
01:43:11.199 --> 01:43:15.079
stop me. What's your number one
most played joker? Oh? Hold on,

1584
01:43:16.159 --> 01:43:18.279
where do you see that? Mike? This is gonna be another two

1585
01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:24.760
hours, just so, now go
into card stats. This is the last

1586
01:43:24.760 --> 01:43:29.840
one. Then we're moving on.
Okay. My most common joker is three

1587
01:43:29.880 --> 01:43:32.760
times molt. If all cards held
in hand are spades, are clubs?

1588
01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:38.279
Okay, that's my second one.
My first one is plus one multi per

1589
01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:42.039
tarot card used. That's a second. Are we best friends? That's crazy?

1590
01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:45.960
The exact same setup. Either that
or the game is broken and like

1591
01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:49.600
you you need these jokers in order
the same. Yeah, wow, I

1592
01:43:49.600 --> 01:43:55.600
have not used the the three times
malt. If your hand's all what's your

1593
01:43:55.680 --> 01:44:03.640
number one consumable? Oh? This
is it's it's Jupiter. It's Jupiter.

1594
01:44:03.840 --> 01:44:13.000
Uranus is number two. Okay,
cool is number two. All right,

1595
01:44:13.079 --> 01:44:17.479
let's read stupid emails. All right, we're gonna start aside. Ye,

1596
01:44:21.159 --> 01:44:26.600
alright, read this. Read this
first one from uh Tim from Baldwin Mary.

1597
01:44:27.119 --> 01:44:31.199
Okay, hello, fire Escape.
The Masters Golf tournament has a tradition

1598
01:44:31.359 --> 01:44:35.239
where the last year's winner hosts a
dinner where he selects the menu. Only

1599
01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:39.680
past champions are invited to this dinner. That's awesome, actually very cool.

1600
01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:45.520
That's a very elitist thing to do. But there's stories about some of them,

1601
01:44:45.640 --> 01:44:48.560
just like, who fucking love KFC
and they just get a ship ton

1602
01:44:48.600 --> 01:44:54.479
of it? That's what I would
do. That says something about that person.

1603
01:44:54.840 --> 01:44:57.760
I wouldn't do that. Okay,
back to the email. You have

1604
01:44:58.079 --> 01:45:02.079
just won Gamer of the Year and
an all expenses paid dinner is being held

1605
01:45:02.199 --> 01:45:06.000
in your honor. What are you
selecting for your menu? They usually include

1606
01:45:06.000 --> 01:45:11.600
a couple of appetizers, soup and
salad, and Entrea dessert wine cocktail pairings.

1607
01:45:11.720 --> 01:45:15.239
Thanks Tim from Baldwin. That is
a good email, Thank you,

1608
01:45:15.279 --> 01:45:17.560
Tom. It is and I don't
want to do the obvious. So everything's

1609
01:45:17.560 --> 01:45:20.319
Scaco Bell thing, even though I
literally just had Taco Bell and McDonald's for

1610
01:45:20.359 --> 01:45:24.239
dinner in the same meal tonight.
What do you mean? Sorry? Well,

1611
01:45:24.840 --> 01:45:28.079
okay, so I wanted dinner before
this, and Taco Bell just introduced

1612
01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:30.479
the new canteena menu, which actually
it's kind of a pre release right now.

1613
01:45:30.520 --> 01:45:32.800
It's only for rewards members, so
I was able to get it,

1614
01:45:33.359 --> 01:45:39.239
so I went in. It's true, but it's also the last day for

1615
01:45:39.279 --> 01:45:42.279
the Shamrock Shake mcflurry, and I
really wanted that, so I drove to

1616
01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:45.199
both Taco Bell and McDonald's before this
and got a bunch of Taco Bell and

1617
01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:48.079
a bunch of McDonald's. And yeah, so that's why that happened. But

1618
01:45:48.159 --> 01:45:51.479
I'm not gonna do Taco Bell for
this dinner. I do want to do.

1619
01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:55.800
I know this is a gimmick thing, but the Oreo and nacho cheese

1620
01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:58.960
thing, because I've had enough people
try that and it's been like pretty much

1621
01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:00.279
one hundred percent success, right,
So that's like the ticket to get in,

1622
01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:03.279
you gotta try an oreo and anto
cheese at the door. Tell me

1623
01:46:03.319 --> 01:46:05.960
what you think of it, writing
a little notebook like you're signing a wedding

1624
01:46:06.039 --> 01:46:10.079
thing, and then you can go
in. And I would just have I

1625
01:46:10.079 --> 01:46:14.640
think Casey Joe's barbecue, you know, just the best barbecue I've ever had,

1626
01:46:14.840 --> 01:46:16.960
barbecue my hometown, my favorite food, A bunch of burn in.

1627
01:46:16.960 --> 01:46:20.399
It's just a bunch of Casey Joe's
burn ins. I think so good.

1628
01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:24.760
That's like one of the number one
things to get if I get barbecue mary.

1629
01:46:24.760 --> 01:46:27.880
The next time you're here, I
get the like the dry ice.

1630
01:46:27.880 --> 01:46:30.880
I get it shipped up here from
Kansas City. I will we will make

1631
01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:33.279
Casey Joe's burn ins, and you
will see it is the best cue you

1632
01:46:33.279 --> 01:46:36.319
will ever have. I usually when
I go to a barbecue place, it's

1633
01:46:36.319 --> 01:46:39.800
my instinct to get burn in.
It's not only because it tastes really good.

1634
01:46:39.840 --> 01:46:43.439
It's usually like so much more affordable
than all the other options. It's

1635
01:46:43.479 --> 01:46:46.279
like, I don't know, it's
like it's like the common man's barbecue dishes,

1636
01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:49.199
but it's like, let's messy,
Like I never get actual ribs because

1637
01:46:49.239 --> 01:46:51.319
like it's just like with burn ins, you can just eat it with a

1638
01:46:51.359 --> 01:46:55.039
pork your hands, don't get all
fucked up dirty and stuff. Yes,

1639
01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:59.680
it's you. You gotta try these. Oh that sounds good. Wait,

1640
01:46:59.760 --> 01:47:01.960
so like you do with oreos and
nata cheese, you do? That's my

1641
01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:05.239
appetizer and the demand thing is the
burn ins. Yeah. What what would

1642
01:47:05.279 --> 01:47:10.159
you do for dessert and drinks?
What? What? Like? What beverages

1643
01:47:10.159 --> 01:47:15.479
would you have? Mmm? I'm
such a novice in this stuff. You're

1644
01:47:15.479 --> 01:47:17.920
probably gonna be an open bar.
But like, what would you want served

1645
01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:24.119
to them at the dinner table with
like their food. My wedding, I

1646
01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:30.000
had those Baja Blast champagne flutes.
Those are pretty good. I don't know.

1647
01:47:30.039 --> 01:47:31.560
There's a few cocktails I've made in
my you know, a couple of

1648
01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:36.239
months of getting under that that I've
really enjoyed. Uh Yeah, I like

1649
01:47:36.279 --> 01:47:42.279
Schambourd and I like quantroe. I
like, uh is it a curse ow

1650
01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:45.319
anything with curs ow in it?
Swy am I saying that right now?

1651
01:47:45.319 --> 01:47:50.560
This does in this contro is CROs
right. That's like orange curse, right,

1652
01:47:50.560 --> 01:47:54.880
and this one's blue curse. Ow. I didn't learn this until very

1653
01:47:54.880 --> 01:47:58.640
recently. Blue Carousel and orange are
the same exact flavor, just blue color

1654
01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:03.199
coloring. Yeah, I've been suckered
again. Yeah, isn't Quantroe and like

1655
01:48:03.239 --> 01:48:09.439
Triple Sack and Grahm Marnier Like that's
all kind of the same the Currosow family.

1656
01:48:09.600 --> 01:48:12.039
Yea, okay, I think I'm
just a big curros ol. Guyra

1657
01:48:12.640 --> 01:48:15.840
is like more like acidic and like
kind of tart, which I like.

1658
01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:18.439
Quantro has got that like cloudy hazy
sugary which you can drink both on the

1659
01:48:18.520 --> 01:48:23.319
rocks. But but yeah, that
type of cocktaire like a Yeah, there's

1660
01:48:23.319 --> 01:48:25.960
this one I called the exam that
I've made a lot and I like that

1661
01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:30.640
a lot. So maybe that and
dessert, uh dairy quinn cake or shamrock

1662
01:48:30.680 --> 01:48:34.560
shake mcflurry are you asking us or
like that? Oh? Those are the

1663
01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:36.880
options that's I would have to decide. But to be one of those,

1664
01:48:36.880 --> 01:48:39.920
no, you could do both and
give people to like the the option.

1665
01:48:40.640 --> 01:48:44.720
Yeah, like when you r s
v P. Yeah, Marry, what

1666
01:48:44.720 --> 01:48:49.399
would your what would your appetizers be? Okay, so I would go with

1667
01:48:49.479 --> 01:49:00.199
my favorite meal theme, which is
brunch. My appetizer would be Like,

1668
01:49:00.399 --> 01:49:04.720
that's harder because I know I would
do like eggs, Benny and like hash

1669
01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:11.479
Browns eggs and million dollar bacon.
You guys know, million dollar bacon something

1670
01:49:11.600 --> 01:49:17.279
real. It's the thick bacon.
Millionaire's bacon is like so thick and it's

1671
01:49:17.399 --> 01:49:20.920
normal strips, but they're really thick
and they taste so good and they almost

1672
01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:25.880
have like a brown sugary like esque
to them. Dessert, obviously you would

1673
01:49:25.960 --> 01:49:30.720
choose between pancakes and French toast.
Appetizers like how do you. Drinks would

1674
01:49:30.720 --> 01:49:39.159
be mimosas and uh, Bloody Mary's. But appetizers like what like nobody has

1675
01:49:39.159 --> 01:49:43.479
a salad for brunch unless they're crazy. So there's a place near me that

1676
01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:48.359
does little like like shareable French toast. See, it would be like yeah,

1677
01:49:48.399 --> 01:49:53.439
like little doughnut holes or something like
that. Anthony David's near me,

1678
01:49:53.960 --> 01:49:56.960
they do. I think we got
it. Yeah, it was just so

1679
01:49:57.039 --> 01:50:00.720
good. Yeah, anyway, brunch, I forget what are like breakfast and

1680
01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:02.840
brunch person? You are like I
dropped the ball with next time you're here,

1681
01:50:02.920 --> 01:50:04.920
Mike, when you lived here,
did you ever go to Al's breakfast

1682
01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:09.319
and thank you town? No?
It is like I'm not a breakfast guy

1683
01:50:09.319 --> 01:50:11.079
at all, but it is some
of the best food I've ever had.

1684
01:50:11.159 --> 01:50:15.359
It's like this. I think it's
the smallest restaurant in like Minnesota. It

1685
01:50:15.439 --> 01:50:17.279
is just in an alley way basically
to like get in, you have to

1686
01:50:17.319 --> 01:50:20.600
shove behind a bunch of people and
stuff. There's like eight seats there and

1687
01:50:20.680 --> 01:50:26.159
it's speak easy brunch, but it's
just the most like there's nothing fancy about

1688
01:50:26.159 --> 01:50:28.560
it. It is just like there's
a griddle behind you. You're basically in

1689
01:50:28.560 --> 01:50:31.399
a trailer, and it is the
pancakes, the bacon and the hash bruns

1690
01:50:31.439 --> 01:50:34.880
everything, but it's just marry Okay. If we do wherever we do Game

1691
01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:38.840
of the Year or next time you're
here, we're doing Al's Breakfast and we're

1692
01:50:38.840 --> 01:50:42.079
doing case you do is Barbekeep for
dinner. That's so valuable to me.

1693
01:50:42.319 --> 01:50:45.119
I think like that will kind of
seal the deal for us coming back,

1694
01:50:45.159 --> 01:50:49.000
because like I love brunch so much, and obviously every table would have a

1695
01:50:49.000 --> 01:50:53.880
bottle of crystal hot sauce because that's
like my favorite hot sauce and I would

1696
01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:58.159
just douse everything in crystal and it
would be like just such a great meal.

1697
01:50:58.279 --> 01:51:00.760
I would love that meal. That
would also be like if I was

1698
01:51:00.800 --> 01:51:03.520
like on death row. That would
also be my meal. This is the

1699
01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:06.880
last thing I want before I die, or before I'm awarded Gamer of the

1700
01:51:06.960 --> 01:51:10.520
Year, whatever it is, like, that's the one. I guess mine

1701
01:51:10.520 --> 01:51:14.399
too. Casey Jos would be my
death row meal. Is the same question,

1702
01:51:14.680 --> 01:51:19.640
Mike, what would you eat if
I like had some overarching theme.

1703
01:51:19.720 --> 01:51:23.800
I think I would just try to
get like do the Joe's Barbecue route and

1704
01:51:23.880 --> 01:51:28.840
have like my favorite pizza from the
area there, and then also like,

1705
01:51:29.119 --> 01:51:32.359
uh, there's it would be hyper
specific. There's a seafood restaurant here that

1706
01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:36.840
does oddly enough, they do Mexican
streetcorn at Lothe and it's like one of

1707
01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:40.199
the best things ever. Even though
it's you know, it's a seafood restaurant,

1708
01:51:40.199 --> 01:51:42.680
you wouldn't particularly associate that. So
I think I would go, like,

1709
01:51:43.640 --> 01:51:45.600
try to do a little bit of
an around the world vibe, start

1710
01:51:45.600 --> 01:51:50.720
with Mexican streetcorn, and maybe I
don't I know. Oysters are hit or

1711
01:51:50.720 --> 01:51:55.640
miss for a lot of people,
but I fucking love oysters and like it's

1712
01:51:55.680 --> 01:52:00.039
my dinner, So I would do
like Prince Edward Island Canadian oysters alongside that.

1713
01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:02.079
If you don't like either of those, that's fine, the entre is

1714
01:52:02.119 --> 01:52:11.479
gonna be Margarita pepperoni pizza from tenth
Street in Hoboken, and then maybe another

1715
01:52:11.680 --> 01:52:18.279
entree I would do, like trying
to think if there's anything like that's been

1716
01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:25.199
No, I already did the entre. It would be tense three pizza.

1717
01:52:26.039 --> 01:52:29.359
But then I would pair that with
a cabinet franc get that like the green

1718
01:52:29.359 --> 01:52:31.000
notes in a little bit of a
kind of a fruit forward red that's going

1719
01:52:31.039 --> 01:52:33.359
to counteract the pepperoni, but you
know, you get a little bit of

1720
01:52:33.399 --> 01:52:38.600
green in there alongside the meat.
And then the oysters would be with a

1721
01:52:38.640 --> 01:52:46.720
sans are no avouvre. Because you
can do anything because it's whatever cost,

1722
01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:53.079
Like, why not just go with
like the most expensive wine you can Findlets

1723
01:52:55.359 --> 01:53:00.720
just metal and jewels. Yeah,
yeah it's nice, Shut up and eat

1724
01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:04.199
it. Covering eggs, put them
in my pockets. Yeah, I guess

1725
01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:13.359
For dessert, I would end with
what do I donant diamonds? Just shred

1726
01:53:14.840 --> 01:53:18.520
pooping them out next day? Uh? It would be like, uh,

1727
01:53:19.479 --> 01:53:23.079
what dessert do I really like?
Actually, at our wedding, I really

1728
01:53:23.119 --> 01:53:25.840
liked the dessert approach. It was
like a triplet. It was like a

1729
01:53:25.880 --> 01:53:30.640
mini cremberlet a mini pie. Didn't
you many key lime pie or no?

1730
01:53:30.800 --> 01:53:33.199
Yeah, there's a few things on
it, but it was great. I

1731
01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:35.640
think I would do something along those
lines and then give you, like a

1732
01:53:35.720 --> 01:53:40.640
Tokayazu from Hungary, some of the
best dessert wines in the world, and

1733
01:53:40.680 --> 01:53:44.000
then cocktail wise whatever you want.
But you know, I'm a sherry guy.

1734
01:53:44.680 --> 01:53:46.640
I know I would have sherry there
for Dan because I'm assuming you will.

1735
01:53:47.119 --> 01:53:50.840
We have to assume we would all
be there, because you guys would

1736
01:53:50.840 --> 01:53:54.600
probably have one Gamer of the Year, and then I would be able to

1737
01:53:54.640 --> 01:53:58.880
invite you exactly. Eligible. It's
a question of who I would invite because

1738
01:53:59.079 --> 01:54:02.359
if you're like you're making a large
assumption that Dan was previously Gamer of the

1739
01:54:02.439 --> 01:54:06.439
Year, Well, it'd be like
us and Greg Miller and like boogie,

1740
01:54:06.760 --> 01:54:12.079
I'm not going oh wait wait,
it was like Jack septic that I need

1741
01:54:12.119 --> 01:54:16.239
to be here yelling at my dinner. Yeah, Beauty Pie is there.

1742
01:54:16.920 --> 01:54:20.119
It's gonna be a weird dinner.
Guys, Okay, yeah, I would.

1743
01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:24.479
I change my mind. I don't
even want to partake it now.

1744
01:54:24.560 --> 01:54:28.279
I'm joking. I'm sure they're uh, I'm sure they're lovely people. People

1745
01:54:28.279 --> 01:54:34.359
to hang out with. Thank you
to, thank you to Uh. Okay,

1746
01:54:34.439 --> 01:54:39.079
you can't have any eggs, get
out, no fabers, eggs or

1747
01:54:39.119 --> 01:54:42.840
diamonds for you. You know,
freak. You get nothing. We need

1748
01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:45.319
to do like a halfway to Game
of the Year here, just so I

1749
01:54:45.359 --> 01:54:47.319
can take it to these places marry
and show you the casey Joe's and stuff

1750
01:54:48.479 --> 01:54:51.199
my way for brunch. I'm also
like one of those weird weirdos who will

1751
01:54:51.239 --> 01:54:55.920
like gladly wait an hour for brunch
you Like some people are like that's insane.

1752
01:54:56.039 --> 01:54:58.359
I will not wait an hour for
brunch. You need to do that

1753
01:54:58.359 --> 01:55:00.279
with that, I will. I
will wait as I think it's It's such

1754
01:55:00.279 --> 01:55:03.000
a fun experience for me, and
I love the whole thing, Like I

1755
01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:05.640
get right rally for it. I
get excited about it, and I wake

1756
01:55:05.680 --> 01:55:08.319
up and I'm like, where am
I going to go? Like I love

1757
01:55:08.359 --> 01:55:11.880
it. Next time you go across
coast, just set up one day that

1758
01:55:11.960 --> 01:55:15.760
you stop in Minneapolis, crash here
and we'll get up and then head home.

1759
01:55:15.840 --> 01:55:23.000
Yeah, okay, I go to
Owl's layover Bronchaction. Yes, Dan,

1760
01:55:23.039 --> 01:55:26.800
you want to read this one from
Phil Yes? Hi find folks first

1761
01:55:26.920 --> 01:55:30.640
off, shout out to Mike for
convincing me to spend a one hundred europe

1762
01:55:30.680 --> 01:55:35.039
dollars for the ingredients for in Alaska. It is now replaced for Net and

1763
01:55:35.079 --> 01:55:42.359
Coke as my signature cocktail. Boy, what question on the Lord's work in

1764
01:55:42.399 --> 01:55:45.600
that regard? Has a game ever
been so good for you that it makes

1765
01:55:45.640 --> 01:55:49.520
other games of the same genre just
tastes like ash in your mouth? I

1766
01:55:49.560 --> 01:55:53.560
used to play a ton of different
FPS games up until I started playing Overwatch

1767
01:55:53.600 --> 01:55:57.119
back in twenty eighteen. Now,
nothing feels as good as flying across the

1768
01:55:57.159 --> 01:56:00.319
map as Doomfiss assassinating people in any
new shooter I try, I drop after

1769
01:56:00.359 --> 01:56:04.680
a couple of hours that is filled
from Finland. This is the most boring

1770
01:56:04.720 --> 01:56:08.920
possible answer, and for me it's
Mario. I mean it's the first.

1771
01:56:09.279 --> 01:56:12.359
It's just any platformer two D or
three D. It's like, there's a

1772
01:56:12.399 --> 01:56:15.720
lot of twoting three D platforms.
I like a lot, but outside of

1773
01:56:15.920 --> 01:56:20.520
I think the closest has been Astrobot. I think the feel of Astrobot is

1774
01:56:20.640 --> 01:56:25.279
up there with the best marios.
I just don't think I play them all,

1775
01:56:25.680 --> 01:56:28.960
and I like most of them.
You know, Penny's Big Breakaway or

1776
01:56:29.079 --> 01:56:31.680
Sonic Mania or anything like. I
just compare everything to Mario, and Mario

1777
01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:35.680
feels the best to me, so
that's probably it. Yeah, Mine,

1778
01:56:36.840 --> 01:56:41.880
I guess two answers would be I
guess first person shooters. I still I've

1779
01:56:41.920 --> 01:56:45.039
played a lot of them. I
still don't think any has felt as good

1780
01:56:45.079 --> 01:56:48.880
as titan Fall two. Yeah,
for many reasons, but like the aiming,

1781
01:56:48.920 --> 01:56:53.359
the shooting, Like even Doom twenty
sixteen is just like stiff compared to

1782
01:56:53.359 --> 01:56:56.960
that, which there's such different games, like they're the same genre, sure,

1783
01:56:58.119 --> 01:57:00.279
but titan Fall two, it's just
like when I think of a good

1784
01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:02.439
feeling game, I think of that
game, and then in a wider sense,

1785
01:57:02.560 --> 01:57:04.640
I know this was I don't know
if it was like a meme or

1786
01:57:04.640 --> 01:57:10.720
whatnot, but I think when people
started getting really into dark souls and demon

1787
01:57:10.800 --> 01:57:15.920
souls, those games really just kind
of ruined all other games of any genre

1788
01:57:15.039 --> 01:57:20.079
when you're really into them. But
I had a friend who got like that's

1789
01:57:20.119 --> 01:57:24.079
still to this day, for the
past fifteen years, that's all he plays.

1790
01:57:24.439 --> 01:57:29.039
Fifteen Yeah, so like he really
just doesn't play other video games.

1791
01:57:29.079 --> 01:57:30.800
He's like, I just want to
be playing a from Soft game. I'm

1792
01:57:30.840 --> 01:57:36.199
not that extent obviously, but I
still like Bloodborne just in terms of like

1793
01:57:36.279 --> 01:57:42.199
action RPGs, Bloodborne has kind of
ruined how they feel for me and how

1794
01:57:42.199 --> 01:57:45.640
they're structured like that there's nothing more
rewarding. And then in those games,

1795
01:57:45.680 --> 01:57:48.600
just even finding a bonfire or a
short cut back to a bonfire that's just

1796
01:57:48.640 --> 01:57:53.479
so impactful in the way that,
like other games, boss fights don't even

1797
01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:59.960
come close to Do you put Bloodborne
above like elden Ring in good question overall?

1798
01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:02.640
Yeah, I still think I do. Wow, I need to go

1799
01:58:02.720 --> 01:58:08.600
I need to go back to it
blood Borne there in what sense, like

1800
01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:11.640
how they feel or just like in
general, what like overall is a game.

1801
01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:15.000
The thing is, when I played
Bloodborne like that until elden Ring,

1802
01:58:15.039 --> 01:58:17.039
that was the only from soft game
I'd beaten, or at least as far

1803
01:58:17.039 --> 01:58:19.439
as when we say from soft games, I'm not talking about fucking cookies and

1804
01:58:19.439 --> 01:58:23.239
cream on PS two, I'm talking
about you know the prompts, Yeah,

1805
01:58:23.279 --> 01:58:27.520
souls likes. Yeah, And I
think I did it through just it wasn't

1806
01:58:27.520 --> 01:58:30.920
through skill. I wasn't playing it
right, I wasn't recognizing boss patterns.

1807
01:58:30.960 --> 01:58:33.479
I was brute force leveling up,
and then I was I was streaming it,

1808
01:58:33.520 --> 01:58:35.880
and I was doing stuff where it
was like, oh, I got

1809
01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:40.640
this boss and Eric Tay jumped into
my game and I hid in a corner

1810
01:58:40.960 --> 01:58:44.159
and Eric Tay did all of the
work, and so it's like I feel

1811
01:58:44.159 --> 01:58:45.840
like, yeah, I saw credits
on Bloodborne, but like I didn't really

1812
01:58:45.840 --> 01:58:48.439
play it. And then when I
played eldon Ring, you know, properly,

1813
01:58:48.800 --> 01:58:54.239
it was like, oh fuck,
these might be like absolute masterpieces.

1814
01:58:54.239 --> 01:58:57.199
I should probably go back and play
Bloodborne. Right. I don't think you

1815
01:58:57.239 --> 01:59:00.000
were playing it incorrectly. I think
the reason you can grind them in a

1816
01:59:00.039 --> 01:59:03.199
way that it's like, that's kind
of its difficulty modifier if you're not really

1817
01:59:03.239 --> 01:59:05.359
But yeah, I think to your
point, now that you played elder Ring,

1818
01:59:05.439 --> 01:59:11.840
maybe Bloodborne's a whole different speed than
elden Ring. However, I think

1819
01:59:11.920 --> 01:59:16.199
because of your history with character action
games, Bloodborne will absolutely feel way more

1820
01:59:16.279 --> 01:59:19.920
natural to you than Dark Souls.
Dark Souls is lumbering, and then Deliver

1821
01:59:20.119 --> 01:59:23.760
Is I played. I just never
beat them, you know. Oh yeah,

1822
01:59:23.760 --> 01:59:27.560
but Bloodborne is one I like the
most. Like that's Bloodborne. Your

1823
01:59:27.640 --> 01:59:30.119
dashing is such an integral part of
it. But yeah, overall, I

1824
01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:33.800
still think Bloodborne is a better game
as a whole than elden Ring, which

1825
01:59:33.800 --> 01:59:39.039
it's hard to compare it because elder
Ring is such this gargantuan, fucking ambitious

1826
01:59:39.039 --> 01:59:43.760
thing, and maybe that's why.
Maybe it's just it's easier for me to

1827
01:59:43.800 --> 01:59:46.159
say that, like this more compact
thing, and Bloodborn is pretty expansive and

1828
01:59:46.199 --> 01:59:49.600
there's a lot of many layers to
it, especially once you start doing the

1829
01:59:50.600 --> 01:59:55.479
messing with the uh those like love
crafty and creatures that are kind of lingering

1830
01:59:55.520 --> 02:00:00.319
everywhere. But yeah, I still
put it above it put Bloodborn about felden

1831
02:00:00.359 --> 02:00:02.199
Ring. I'm going to shortlist that
when it's time to replay something, when

1832
02:00:02.239 --> 02:00:06.079
game releases actually slow down, then
yeah, yeah, I'm gonna write that

1833
02:00:06.119 --> 02:00:09.439
down right now, so don't forgot. I also just I think, still

1834
02:00:09.439 --> 02:00:15.640
to this day, Bloodborne is my
favorite or like just the tonally the most

1835
02:00:15.680 --> 02:00:19.960
incredible game world, Like, there's
really nothing else like it in the way,

1836
02:00:20.560 --> 02:00:25.119
and it's and I don't normally care
about lore, but I actually got

1837
02:00:25.159 --> 02:00:29.119
into the lore there because it was
so potent in the way they present it.

1838
02:00:30.159 --> 02:00:32.920
But yeah, I put blood Born
about it. Mary, what games

1839
02:00:32.920 --> 02:00:42.479
have ruined? Okay? I cannot
find another farming game like Stardoo Valley that

1840
02:00:42.520 --> 02:00:45.520
even comes close, And it's actually
ruined a lot of games that I think

1841
02:00:45.520 --> 02:00:49.600
are actually quite good. Slime Rancher
is really good, Ublitz Forager, my

1842
02:00:49.680 --> 02:00:55.079
time at Portie Coral Island, all
of them are like those are pretty good,

1843
02:00:55.079 --> 02:00:59.720
but like, why wouldn't I just
play Stardoo Valley, Like why wouldn't

1844
02:00:59.720 --> 02:01:03.079
I just play the good the good
good? And so it's actually kind of

1845
02:01:03.159 --> 02:01:08.359
ruined a lot of quite solid games
in my opinion, because Stardu Valley is

1846
02:01:08.399 --> 02:01:11.399
just the best. Yeah, I
Mary, you and I were both pretty

1847
02:01:11.439 --> 02:01:14.680
obsessed with starting when it came out, and like anytime I've played one since

1848
02:01:14.720 --> 02:01:17.000
then, like, oh, check
out this Dorymond story of seasons for a

1849
02:01:17.039 --> 02:01:20.159
quickly. So many there's so many, yeah, and I always like it,

1850
02:01:20.199 --> 02:01:23.239
you know, like I always like
these games. But then like the

1851
02:01:23.279 --> 02:01:24.840
whole time, I'm like thinking,
like, oh, yeah, this is

1852
02:01:24.880 --> 02:01:28.079
reminding of Sturdy Valley. Oh boy, I really like Sturdy Valley. I

1853
02:01:28.119 --> 02:01:30.560
should play Stardu Valley. Like that's
not a great set. Well, there's

1854
02:01:30.560 --> 02:01:34.960
nothing wrong with these games. It's
just telling us how fucking good Stardoo Valley

1855
02:01:35.000 --> 02:01:38.600
is. That it's just saying the
way my brain is wired, I'll tell

1856
02:01:38.640 --> 02:01:43.359
you how how wired it is.
When everyone got really into animal crossing,

1857
02:01:44.359 --> 02:01:47.000
I was playing Starduo Valley. I
was like the only idiot who wasn't into

1858
02:01:47.119 --> 02:01:50.920
animal crossing. I like, and
I understand they're different, they have different

1859
02:01:50.960 --> 02:01:56.760
focuses. I would rather play Starduo
Valley, and so I was struggling to

1860
02:01:56.840 --> 02:02:01.880
play Animal Crossing during the giant animal
crossing craze because my instinct was but Stardoo

1861
02:02:01.960 --> 02:02:08.319
Valley is the coziest game. And
I'm with you because starting when you're like

1862
02:02:08.319 --> 02:02:11.720
deep in the throes of one of
those runs, it's just like you can

1863
02:02:11.760 --> 02:02:14.479
play that for many, many,
many hours, and I always did with

1864
02:02:14.520 --> 02:02:16.640
stardo. Animal Crossing has been the
same since it was on the GameCube,

1865
02:02:16.640 --> 02:02:19.640
where it's like I love Animal Crossing, but you know, you play,

1866
02:02:19.680 --> 02:02:23.199
you do your thirty minutes a day, and you know, you put some

1867
02:02:23.319 --> 02:02:26.439
new thing in your house, shaking
trees whatever, like give a hippo a

1868
02:02:26.479 --> 02:02:28.479
carpet or something, and then it's
like, all right, I'm out of

1869
02:02:28.520 --> 02:02:31.000
things to do. Where Stardu It's
just like I gotta get to bed because

1870
02:02:31.039 --> 02:02:32.600
I got to get back to these
mines in the morning, like, oh

1871
02:02:32.640 --> 02:02:34.520
shit, o Tomorro's gonna be rainy, dam I'm spent all day in the

1872
02:02:34.560 --> 02:02:40.199
mind. It's like I couldn't stop
fucking playing that game. Yeah, yeah,

1873
02:02:40.479 --> 02:02:42.960
yeah, it's ruined games, I
guess. Breath of the Wild also

1874
02:02:43.000 --> 02:02:48.039
in just terms of open world games, didn't run Tiers the Kingdom. Yeah,

1875
02:02:48.359 --> 02:02:51.359
Breath of Wild, Tiers the Kingdom, I guess have Although Tiers the

1876
02:02:51.399 --> 02:02:55.319
Kingdom has ruined many other games that
aren't even open world, like Here's the

1877
02:02:55.359 --> 02:03:00.439
Kingdom has ruined most immersive sims for
me now, which is not to say

1878
02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:03.159
I still don't sometimes want to go
back and play Dishonnored too, because that's

1879
02:03:03.199 --> 02:03:10.000
such a tight game as well.
But uh yeah, god, now I

1880
02:03:10.000 --> 02:03:12.680
want to play all those games.
Yeah, a lot of good games.

1881
02:03:12.720 --> 02:03:15.960
I might do any Stardo Run on
the Flights if, like, just to

1882
02:03:16.239 --> 02:03:19.039
kind of ease off the Lottro if
I need to, which I don't think

1883
02:03:19.039 --> 02:03:21.720
I will, but like just to
vary it up a little bit. I

1884
02:03:21.800 --> 02:03:26.119
also curious because I haven't played in
almost ten years now, like I haven't

1885
02:03:26.159 --> 02:03:29.000
played since like you know, any
of the multiplayer updates, any of the

1886
02:03:29.079 --> 02:03:30.880
like oh pick a different like Farm
template at the beginning, like I played

1887
02:03:30.920 --> 02:03:34.439
like Launch Stardo and that's the only
one I played, and I played like

1888
02:03:34.479 --> 02:03:38.960
one hundred plus hours. Then,
yeah, they've added a lot. I

1889
02:03:39.199 --> 02:03:42.520
loaded up like two years ago or
no, it was twenty twenty. It

1890
02:03:42.560 --> 02:03:45.800
was. I got bored of new
horizons as well Animal Crossing. I was

1891
02:03:45.840 --> 02:03:47.680
like, I don't want to wait
until tomorrow, the real tomorrow, to

1892
02:03:47.720 --> 02:03:49.840
play the tomorrow in this game.
I want to just go to sleep and

1893
02:03:49.880 --> 02:03:54.720
wake up and I'm there. And
it was a lot. They added all

1894
02:03:54.720 --> 02:03:57.359
those new map sets, but like, I still think the original farm and

1895
02:03:57.760 --> 02:04:00.079
islands the best from what I I
didn't play all of them, but I

1896
02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:03.119
think Mary, you'd be more experienced
there. But yeah, start is still

1897
02:04:03.119 --> 02:04:09.000
great. I can't fucking wait for
the Haunted Chocolate Tear. No release date,

1898
02:04:10.000 --> 02:04:13.720
No, I think there's He's still
like he's still like slow dripping,

1899
02:04:13.800 --> 02:04:18.199
like just certain assets. He's like, here's a chair from the castle and

1900
02:04:18.239 --> 02:04:21.840
people freak out about it and Reddi
goes nuts. There's a blue laser now

1901
02:04:23.479 --> 02:04:27.840
yeah, no, sorry, I've
never heard of it. No, I

1902
02:04:27.840 --> 02:04:32.359
don't think I'm sorry. I'm sorry
to take it off Spotify because you mentioned

1903
02:04:32.359 --> 02:04:35.279
blue lasers, and I wouldn't.
I didn't know it was a referencing Sorry,

1904
02:04:35.479 --> 02:04:40.920
okay, are careful doing things like
that without doing your research? You

1905
02:04:40.960 --> 02:04:44.880
better come with proof, spoke.
I'm sorry, Jake, I hope so

1906
02:04:46.439 --> 02:04:51.800
oh god, oh man, this
is dicey. Now you have to Now

1907
02:04:53.039 --> 02:04:57.920
you have to. I A.
I'm gonna speak about this in as vague

1908
02:04:57.960 --> 02:05:00.840
terms as possible. I found out
that someone important in my life, close

1909
02:05:00.880 --> 02:05:04.159
to me. It's not my wife, I'll say that, or it's it's

1910
02:05:04.439 --> 02:05:12.079
a certain family member very into like
conspiracy. We are close. Who doesn't

1911
02:05:12.159 --> 02:05:15.399
have a close family member who's super
into weird And I come from a big

1912
02:05:15.439 --> 02:05:18.479
family, so like each one of
them has these things that I don't talk

1913
02:05:18.520 --> 02:05:20.960
about when we're hanging out around Christmas. I know this is just a family

1914
02:05:21.000 --> 02:05:27.199
thing, but I I just had
this weird someone sent into a group chat

1915
02:05:27.239 --> 02:05:30.560
I'm in, like a link to
something they had retweeted. So that was

1916
02:05:30.600 --> 02:05:32.880
a when I learned that they were
on Twitter at all. And then that

1917
02:05:33.039 --> 02:05:36.520
was b when I went to their
Twitter feed and was like, oh my

1918
02:05:36.640 --> 02:05:40.680
god, this is it was.
It was just it caught me off guard.

1919
02:05:40.880 --> 02:05:44.439
It's like, I don't even know
some people that I spent most of

1920
02:05:44.439 --> 02:05:46.920
my life with blood relation. Let's
try to let's do twenty questions here.

1921
02:05:46.960 --> 02:05:50.479
Okay, did I meet him at
the wedding? Who says it to him?

1922
02:05:50.880 --> 02:05:57.359
No? Yeah? Yeah? Did
I meet him before the wedding,

1923
02:05:59.479 --> 02:06:03.359
like before that weekend or before the
wedding day before the weekend? Yes?

1924
02:06:03.960 --> 02:06:09.439
Okay, yeah, this is so
this is not fun to listen to for

1925
02:06:09.479 --> 02:06:13.640
any of the listeners. I got
it. How close are we to the

1926
02:06:13.640 --> 02:06:18.760
eightieth episode? Again, we're close. We're seventy seven. I think that's

1927
02:06:18.760 --> 02:06:24.359
cool. Well, the number eighty
and the ancient Gregorian calendar. Here we

1928
02:06:24.399 --> 02:06:27.399
go, here we go. If
you just do some research, I'll send

1929
02:06:27.439 --> 02:06:30.960
you some links. It's actually we're
just it's Mary that I'm talking about.

1930
02:06:30.119 --> 02:06:33.720
Well, we know how she feels
about vaccines. But anyway, oh god,

1931
02:06:34.359 --> 02:06:40.199
there's those two back home. Yeah, it's always okay, okay.

1932
02:06:40.239 --> 02:06:43.000
Here, here's why I bring it
up. It's just funny because my wife

1933
02:06:43.079 --> 02:06:45.960
is from a she's an only child. She has a step brother, but

1934
02:06:45.000 --> 02:06:49.720
she grew up an only child,
smaller family, not many cousins, So

1935
02:06:49.760 --> 02:06:54.399
it's always eye opening to her how
big my family is. When like any

1936
02:06:54.600 --> 02:06:58.279
arch type of person gets brought up, whether it's flat earther or anti vaccine,

1937
02:06:58.279 --> 02:07:00.960
and like, I have at least
one of them my extended family,

1938
02:07:00.800 --> 02:07:04.079
and she's like, I forget that. Like turns out, you know,

1939
02:07:04.199 --> 02:07:10.039
more people increases the likelihood of different
Oh yeah, world, you're gonna have

1940
02:07:10.079 --> 02:07:12.600
a couple in there. Yeah yeah
yeah. I was like, I was

1941
02:07:12.640 --> 02:07:15.359
like, but again, I think
I know well enough to not bring that

1942
02:07:15.359 --> 02:07:18.279
stuff up when we go home.
Oh that that's yeah, that's I love

1943
02:07:18.319 --> 02:07:21.399
all these people with all my heart. They're they're very close to me.

1944
02:07:21.479 --> 02:07:26.680
But you know, there's a reason
I just don't talk. You gotta do

1945
02:07:26.720 --> 02:07:29.000
the fun thing where you do the
thing where it's like you went out to

1946
02:07:29.000 --> 02:07:31.720
the bar one night and then you
go back afterwards and you just like,

1947
02:07:31.960 --> 02:07:35.159
all right, here's my chance I
actually really talk to, you know,

1948
02:07:35.199 --> 02:07:39.079
a person who believes these things,
and let's just have it, talk about

1949
02:07:39.079 --> 02:07:41.279
it where we get along. Fine, obviously we're not gonna get a fight.

1950
02:07:41.520 --> 02:07:44.600
Let's talk about what you that's that's
that's my thing when I go home

1951
02:07:44.600 --> 02:07:46.720
pretty frequently, and it's it's always
interesting. I'll tell you, yeah,

1952
02:07:46.920 --> 02:07:50.520
like it's been that the times that
that stuff has brought up in my family.

1953
02:07:50.560 --> 02:07:55.159
It's always I think, there's always
we fall back on the love we

1954
02:07:55.199 --> 02:07:57.600
have for each other, so it
never gets like out of hand. Yeah,

1955
02:07:57.640 --> 02:07:59.760
you don't do it at the dinner
table with a bunch of people around

1956
02:08:00.119 --> 02:08:03.239
it. They all live there.
So when I go home, it's like,

1957
02:08:03.279 --> 02:08:05.880
oh, right, the leftist brother
is coming back. Yeah, And

1958
02:08:05.920 --> 02:08:09.199
I get I get how that's to
them. It's like they know they don't

1959
02:08:09.199 --> 02:08:13.439
want to bring certain things up around
me. It's just always like, let's

1960
02:08:13.520 --> 02:08:16.840
desperately talk about the things we know
we both like, dude, remember Majora's

1961
02:08:16.880 --> 02:08:20.439
mask. Oh let's talk about it
for six hours and nothing else. It

1962
02:08:20.600 --> 02:08:22.920
kills me when I go back home
and I feel like other people see me

1963
02:08:22.960 --> 02:08:28.760
as like I'm fucking Noam Chomsky,
like I'm just like a hippie liberal firebrand

1964
02:08:28.840 --> 02:08:31.119
or something. It's like I never
talk about politics at all, but I

1965
02:08:31.119 --> 02:08:33.880
bet they think that I'm like,
Oh, here comes mister elite coastal guy

1966
02:08:33.960 --> 02:08:39.479
or whatever. You Yeah, I
live in San Francisco. They must have

1967
02:08:39.479 --> 02:08:43.520
gotten to me. Me and Mary
are these elite coastal guys on this podcast?

1968
02:08:43.560 --> 02:08:46.439
Now? All my family is like, oh, we must be different

1969
02:08:46.479 --> 02:08:52.600
in Portland. It's just like we're
talking about real standard stuff here, like

1970
02:08:52.600 --> 02:08:58.760
like body autonomy. Yeah, I
don't understand how we got here. We're

1971
02:08:58.800 --> 02:09:01.840
like, I'm insane. America is
a big country. There's a whole lot

1972
02:09:01.840 --> 02:09:05.279
of different places. Yeah. My
family, a lot of my family thinks

1973
02:09:05.319 --> 02:09:09.760
I'm just like in a in like
just a de Lulu bubble of like flowers

1974
02:09:09.760 --> 02:09:16.119
and rainbows where it's ridiculous that I
would ever even consider any type of restriction

1975
02:09:16.279 --> 02:09:20.800
on any gun of any kind ever, just like there's no room for discussion

1976
02:09:20.840 --> 02:09:24.520
here. And they're like absolutely not. You know you like you just think

1977
02:09:24.960 --> 02:09:30.000
you can do whatever you want,
that nobody will ever break the laws were

1978
02:09:30.039 --> 02:09:33.800
we talking about. I am amazed
people think I'm insane. It's the Mary.

1979
02:09:33.880 --> 02:09:37.520
I think when you and I first
started working, or when I first

1980
02:09:37.560 --> 02:09:41.000
started working in game Spot and I
was getting to know you, I knew

1981
02:09:41.359 --> 02:09:46.279
I said that something about being from
Syracuse and someone's like, oh, so

1982
02:09:46.319 --> 02:09:48.159
like from New York, so it's
probably like they're just as liberal as us.

1983
02:09:48.159 --> 02:09:50.159
I'm like, no, no,
no, no, no, no

1984
02:09:50.159 --> 02:09:52.560
no no. And then you you
were like you being from Buffalo or like

1985
02:09:52.680 --> 02:09:58.119
it is not the same in that
part of the state. It's not.

1986
02:09:58.319 --> 02:10:01.039
It was A big state is a
big state. And if you are not

1987
02:10:01.079 --> 02:10:03.960
in this No. The thing you'll
find a lot of times if you look

1988
02:10:05.000 --> 02:10:09.640
at a map is that cities tend
to be more left right in a giant

1989
02:10:09.760 --> 02:10:16.119
state. Once you leave Austin,
Texas, you're fucked, bun. I

1990
02:10:16.159 --> 02:10:20.279
mean, you gotta stay within those
city limits. That's Minnesota. You look

1991
02:10:20.279 --> 02:10:24.520
at the Twin Cities, that's blue
red. You look at Kansas, there's

1992
02:10:24.600 --> 02:10:28.439
Lawrence, Kansas blue, just red. It's like you look at just the

1993
02:10:28.479 --> 02:10:30.880
map and it's like, well,
the thing like Trump is putting up like

1994
02:10:31.039 --> 02:10:33.119
maps in the White House is like, look at all this red. It's

1995
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like, well, yeah, but
a lot of people live in those blue

1996
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spots. Oregon is no different.
As soon as you get out of the

1997
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Portland city limits, you will see
the posters and everything and everything goes red.

1998
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It's as soon as you leave the
city for sure, everything is mostly

1999
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rural. If you're just looking at
like a map, you know, suburban

2000
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roll. Yeah, we very successfully
dodged. I'm really proud of us.

2001
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Brought that up at the end of
the episode risky biz. Honestly, I

2002
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don't know that's what we're known for. It was just surprising to me.

2003
02:11:07.119 --> 02:11:09.319
It's like, man, I gotta
I don't keep up with these people as

2004
02:11:09.359 --> 02:11:11.920
much as I should. I'd probably
be learning some really cool stuff. If

2005
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I talk to this person way more
often about their beliefs and everything, my

2006
02:11:15.760 --> 02:11:20.239
eyes would be opened. Mm hmm. Man, I'll talk to you guys

2007
02:11:20.239 --> 02:11:24.880
more offline about certain things I've I've
seen that I didn't know there were even

2008
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conspiracies about like X or Y,
Like it's an A, B, C,

2009
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D, E F G. I
mean, it's all of them.

2010
02:11:30.279 --> 02:11:33.079
It's conspiracies about everything, man,
like things I thought we could all agree

2011
02:11:33.119 --> 02:11:39.560
on. No, Nope. Yeah, I remember naively at the beginning of

2012
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the pandemic, you know, talking
to people and be like, wow,

2013
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you know what, this is interesting
because it was such a it was an

2014
02:11:43.640 --> 02:11:46.359
extremely polarizing time, as all years
have been recently, but it was like,

2015
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oh, here's this one issue that
ever, like, who's gonna who's

2016
02:11:50.000 --> 02:11:52.760
gonna not be like, oh yeah, yeah, we should all like you

2017
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know, be cool and protect each
other and this is a serious issue and

2018
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things that we're all on the same
page about this here pandemic thing. It's

2019
02:12:00.239 --> 02:12:05.640
always gonna be that way like a
week later. It's like, put a

2020
02:12:05.720 --> 02:12:11.239
blast fighters at my restaurant. What
Yeah, it was a no menu.

2021
02:12:11.680 --> 02:12:15.199
I've used a QR. Come,
I've got a fire bomb this place.

2022
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Just let grandma die. I'm not
gonna eject a computer into me. All

2023
02:12:24.319 --> 02:12:28.520
right, we did it. We
got there. We got to the controversial

2024
02:12:28.560 --> 02:12:31.560
part. Happy sat Patty's did to
you too, Same Patty's Day. While

2025
02:12:31.560 --> 02:12:37.279
we're recording this, I'm I'm bombed. We're not going to be in the

2026
02:12:37.279 --> 02:12:41.119
same city during Paxy Slash GDC week, but I don't know when we're gonna

2027
02:12:41.119 --> 02:12:43.920
be spread to the wind. He
might you might see my better half at

2028
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GDC. Yeah, I'm going out
to East Boston. Mary. You right

2029
02:12:50.840 --> 02:12:54.920
here, you're staying alright. I
got no travel for like two weeks.

2030
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I'm soaking it in. I'm sitting
right here, right at this computer.

2031
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Although I might visit a couple different
planets. Uh to shoot to shoot bugs,

2032
02:13:03.520 --> 02:13:09.720
as is the right on the grin. I have to do my part.

2033
02:13:09.960 --> 02:13:11.279
There is no other kind. Mike. I don't understand what you're even

2034
02:13:11.600 --> 02:13:15.680
just reminding you. Yeah, okay, good, I'm applying. You're inferring.

2035
02:13:15.800 --> 02:13:24.279
What are you inferring, I don't
make me commy. Commy commy sounds

2036
02:13:24.319 --> 02:13:28.960
like a comy is on this podcast. You will never take me a lot

2037
02:13:30.520 --> 02:13:35.079
fucking their pro vaccine and pro flying
bug. I'm not listening to this ship

2038
02:13:35.119 --> 02:13:41.199
anymore because I like fire Escape until
they got political. Oh god, okay,

2039
02:13:43.039 --> 02:13:46.560
bugs political about the bugs. But
as usually, you can write it

2040
02:13:46.600 --> 02:13:50.760
the fire escape cast email dot com. Uh, Mary, tell people where

2041
02:13:50.760 --> 02:14:01.000
they can get merch. Uh,
fire escape cast dot com. Escape tightly

2042
02:14:01.039 --> 02:14:07.279
oiled ship here, tightly oiled,
tightly oiled ship that's up tightly, that's

2043
02:14:07.319 --> 02:14:15.399
up. Okay, that was my
nickname in college. All right, fire

2044
02:14:15.439 --> 02:14:18.199
State Birds dot com. Go get
some beanies, go get some shirts and

2045
02:14:18.560 --> 02:14:22.920
mousepads. I was close well.
Firescapecast dot com is our patrioton. If

2046
02:14:22.920 --> 02:14:28.399
you want to unlock ad free versions
of our audio episodes or the video versions

2047
02:14:28.439 --> 02:14:31.760
of our episodes, go to Patreon, or you can just treat it like

2048
02:14:31.800 --> 02:14:33.399
a tip jar if you like what
we do, but the whole archive too.

2049
02:14:33.439 --> 02:14:37.680
At this point we have gotten a
good amount of Patreon only video stuff

2050
02:14:37.720 --> 02:14:41.680
on the Patreon, and if you
sign up you get access to all that

2051
02:14:41.760 --> 02:14:43.800
and like long full length like podcast
up you got, you know, hell

2052
02:14:43.880 --> 02:14:48.319
divers play, you got a bunch
of game footage stuff, podcast up,

2053
02:14:48.399 --> 02:14:52.079
in person stuff. It's a we
got a decent amount of stuff. Therapy

2054
02:14:52.119 --> 02:14:54.119
if you sign up for the first
time. Now, yep, Mary,

2055
02:14:54.319 --> 02:14:58.960
tell people what you have going on
that they can I stream on Monday,

2056
02:15:01.079 --> 02:15:05.680
so check that out and I just
update mostly on Instagram. Now that's my

2057
02:15:05.760 --> 02:15:11.880
safest space. Same damn, what
about you Instagram, That's the main thing.

2058
02:15:11.439 --> 02:15:16.079
By the time this podcast goes up, my packs East stuff will be

2059
02:15:16.159 --> 02:15:20.680
done, so don't try to find
me there. Yeah. Twitch so doing

2060
02:15:20.720 --> 02:15:24.359
that. Yeah, Twitch and Instagram. I would say, cool, we're

2061
02:15:24.359 --> 02:15:26.199
still talking about pass. We still
need to do like some sort of meetup

2062
02:15:26.239 --> 02:15:31.840
again somewhere. I would love to
do a meetup. I think it'll be

2063
02:15:31.880 --> 02:15:35.439
we can talk about this offline,
but I'm thinking like Al's Breakfast. Al's

2064
02:15:35.439 --> 02:15:41.800
Breakfast. Yeah, for all hundred
fire Escape people into that six table restaurant.

2065
02:15:41.239 --> 02:15:46.159
I will get French toast sticks for
as many as possible as many can

2066
02:15:46.199 --> 02:15:48.760
fit in there. He is,
Yeah, we should talk about that.

2067
02:15:50.439 --> 02:15:52.479
Yeah, because you know, Game
of the Year, we're so busy and

2068
02:15:52.520 --> 02:15:54.159
it's kind of in and out.
Uh, there's got to be some time.

2069
02:15:54.199 --> 02:15:58.439
We have no actual plans for this, but we would like to see

2070
02:15:58.439 --> 02:16:01.039
more Beia in person. It yeah, all right, all right. We

2071
02:16:01.079 --> 02:16:05.880
will be back in a couple of
weeks with episode seventy eight. I'm glad

2072
02:16:05.880 --> 02:16:07.760
to be back. It's been a
while. I think this is the longest

2073
02:16:07.760 --> 02:16:11.720
I've been away from the show,
and like since maybe I was on vacation

2074
02:16:11.840 --> 02:16:16.439
toward the beginning. Might be it. I think take like between like two

2075
02:16:16.520 --> 02:16:20.079
and five episodes off. Maybe.
Yeah. I've got a much calmer couple

2076
02:16:20.199 --> 02:16:24.720
months coming up, so I'm excited
to be back here more regularly. I

2077
02:16:24.800 --> 02:16:26.239
got some stuff coming up, but
I don't know if I'll miss any We'll

2078
02:16:26.239 --> 02:16:31.440
see, all right, Well,
we will see everybody in a couple of

2079
02:16:31.479 --> 02:16:39.040
weeks. Thanks for joining. Thanks
everybody, So yeah right, sound like

2080
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a muppe.