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The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. Now

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here is your host. DJ leaves
Well, we get ready for an interesting

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Friday card in Saudi Arabia. Rayfield
wants me to say it as many times

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as possible. Knockout chaos is coming
from Saudi Arabia Anthony, Joshua Francis and

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GTTU plus a lot of championship fights
on the undercard to go wold. But

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we're ready to talk about it on
the Big Fight Weekend preview. Again.

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As we released this, we understand
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time, Friday night late in Saudi
Arabia, Friday primetime in the UK and

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in Europe. Welcome in. Thank
you for finding us, however, and

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wherever you found us through Dan's substack, through the Big Fight Weekend dot com

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website. Make sure you're following,
make sure you're subscribing. Hey, this

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week has been a jumbled mess.
We've already done the bet Us Boxing show

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by the way that we typically do
to handicap, I'm all screwed up.

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I think it's like Saturday now,
and then it may be Sunday when it's

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actually still Friday, and it could
be Tuesday when it's actually Saturday. Did

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I confuse you yet? Hello Dan, ray Phiel. Good to have you

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back. Yeah, I don't know
what the hell you're saying. I don't

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know, but I've dealt with you
already, is my point. I dealt

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with you on Wednesday on the Live
bet Us show talking about this card.

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But it's coming up, it's about
to be here. They've had the way

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ends, they've had the press conference. You talked to Francis and Ganu recently,

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So we're going to break down that
fight card before we get there.

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We've got Jet Wait, Jake Paul
who Jake Paul, Mike Tyson News to

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talk about. You also have an
interview. Speaking of interviews that we're going

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to have that we're playing coming up
with Callum Walsh, who's on the Saint

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Patrick's Day weekend card on UFC Fight
Pass Junior Middleweight contender Prospect. You'll hear

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from Callum Walsh in a little bit, So all of that to come,

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we'll get to the we'll get to
the knockout chaos a pay per view in

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a moment. But you and I
are my our own business on Thursday,

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and then suddenly Jake Paul and Mike
Tyson and Netflix and MVP Promotions announce there

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do I air quote it fighting,
They're fighting, They're they're fighting Rayphael,

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they are Tell me more about this? What what have we learned? As

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the day has become the night here
on Thursday, I figured for the beginning

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of this, I'd get a I'd
get a here, what are we doing

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here? Is it the question I
kept getting And you've been getting this and

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I saw you answering on social media? Is this a legit fight? With

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Tyson about to be fifty eight years
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to be licensed in a legit fight? Or you know, is somebody going

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to show up like Logan Paul with
a folding chair and are we doing WWE

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stuff? Well? I don't think
we're doing that, Okay, but the

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the the official status of the bout
is not determined, at least not publicly

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disseminated. So just the backtrack a
little bit. They announced early on Thursday,

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the MVP people Ni Kisa Badari,
which is Jake's business partner, and

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Tyson and Netflix. They announced that
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is taking place on July twentieth at
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Texas, home of the Dallas Cowboys, where I have covered most of the

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boxing events that have taken place there. This will be the eighth event,

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by the way that takes their takes
place there in terms of boxing, and

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it will be live on Netflix,
not a pay per view. Remember when

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Tyson had his last exhibition in November
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the pandemic, they did an exhibition. He did an exhibition with Roy Jones

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Junior that did a huge number on
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at home not doing anything. And
as it turned out, Jake Paul with

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no fans there in the crowd because
it was a closed thing. It was

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just for the pay per view because
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had Jake Paul this second professional bout
on the undercard, scoring the viral knockout

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against Nate Robinson, the NBA player, a former NBA player, And now

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here we are four years later and
they are supposedly fighting each other. Now

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you said is it an official fight? In the official press release that was

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sent out to all the media,
it did not indicate it's any boxing match.

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It didn't say anything that it wasn't
official. It didn't mention anything about

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the change or amending of any kind
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whether shorter rounds or bigger gloves or
anything like that. It was projected as

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a full fledged boxing match. Furthermore, and this irritates me, they did

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not announce the number of rounds the
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you don't have to worry about the
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a heavyweight fight, because Tyson's not
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weight or anything like that. So
I did my due diligence. I sent

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the PR folks, who are very
nice and easy to deal with at MVP,

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a very friendly note asking the question, is this an official fight?

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How many rounds is it? I
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I sent a follow up. I
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this, I have sent I have
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MVP, who I have a very
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And I said to me in one
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nikkeis if you're listening, i'd appreciate
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to bother you. I know you're
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So if you could respond in some
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I'd appreciate it. Even if you
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accept that, just you know.
I don't like being ignored. So I

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didn't get a response back about that
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know. Now. What I have
done is I have spoken to my people

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at the Texas Department of Licensing and
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regulate any boxing event that takes place
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covered many fights over the year,
so I know people down there. And

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I called up one of the people
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I said, hey, you know, this fight got announced. You know

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what's the story? And what I
was told was the only thing that's official

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as it relates to this event is
that MVP has requested the date for an

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event at at and T Stadium,
which is the normal course of business.

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Anytime you're a promoter and you want
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you have to go to the local
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can get rolling. Now, they're
not obligated under Texas rules to provide them

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with at about lineup until or at
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anywhere at the main event whatever it
is, until at least twenty one days

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before the fight. So MVP is
on there, no obligation to ask them

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about anything to do with this.
But if it's going to be a real

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fight quote unquote real fight meaning official
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they're gonna have to make sure.
I mean, Jake Paul will get license,

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not a problem. He fought in
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the Na Diaz fight was in Texas
in Dallas. Yes, so they're familiar.

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They've worked with the Texas regulators before
on MVP event, So you know,

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getting a fighter like him licensed in
Texas is not going to be an

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issue. Is if they're going to
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Getting a fifty seven year old man
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years, no matter how great of
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an icon my tyson is, that
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Now it's gonna go, and it's
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the point. That's why you contacted
them. They're gonna have to prouse whatever

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it is, so we'll knowing like
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it would be one thing if they
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say the Roy Jones fight like they
did in California, which was an exhibition.

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But if they want to do a
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don't endorse this, but at least
they're like the same age bracket, right,

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Jake Paul is twenty seven years old, Mike Tyson soon to be fifty

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eight years old. He'd be fighting
a man, you know, thirty years

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young, right, thirty one years
younger than him Tyson soon I'm fifty eight

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later this summer. By the way, that's my point. So you know,

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I don't you know, I've never
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boxing match because typically you don't have
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matter, fighting that laid into their
lives in a real fight. Now,

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what I found to be ironic about
the whole situation is that as we tape

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this on Thursday, it was thirty
seven years and we're not gonna We're not

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going to cover this in nostalgia,
but I'll throw this out there. Thirty

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seven years ago on Thursday, it
was Mike Tyson as the reigning WBC and

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WBA heavyweight champion. This is even
before he became undisputed. He defended those

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titles on an HBO fight against James
Bonecrusher Smith. That fight took place ten

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years before Jake Paul was born.
I love that. So on the thirty

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seventh anniversary of this title fight that
Tyson was in, he announced his next

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fight. And by the way,
it was just a couple of days earlier

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that Mike Tyson made his pro debut. So thirty nine years after he turns

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pro, he announces his next fight. Now. Also of note, Tyson

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hasn't had He did have the exhibition
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he had another exhibition match, but
he hasn't had an actual official fight

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since he got knocked the fuck out
or quit really against Kevin McBride in a

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fight that I covered in Washington,
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far from where I live. And
you know he got stopped. That was

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in two thousand and five. And
remember also, you know, for all

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those who were given Mike a chance
at you know, saying well, he's

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still in great shape, and we
see the little eclips of him on the

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social media. He looks explosive.
He got knocked out by complete you know,

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by journeyman opponents in his in his
last two fights, and in his

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last three last fights he got knocked
out three times, got drilled by Lennox

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Lewis on a one sided fight.
Then he won his last bout a knockout

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against Clifford atn in forty nine seconds, and then got got shmered in his

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last two fights by Danny Williams in
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McBride, where he you know,
quit basically all right, So you gave

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us a lot. Here's details still
to come. Obviously they want as much

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attention as possible. They're gonna they're
gonna put this on Netflix, which I

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want your opinion on that here in
a couple of minutes. But to me,

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just sitting here from the cheap seats, this is not gonna get sanctions

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as a legitimate fight for the reasons
that you just gave. So I don't

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know what this is. I'm just
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the for the reasons you go.
Let's see, I just don't know the

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answer. I mean, we don't
know, we don't, we don't know.

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Now, what about the Netflix jumping
in on this, because there had

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been rumors that Jake Jake Paul was
looking at putting fight cards on Netflix and

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or Premiere Boxing Champions was talking to
Netflix. What do you make of that?

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to the sanctioning of a real fighter, an exhibition match or whatever. When

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they did the Roy Jones exhibition with
Mike Tyson. That was made very clear

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by Andy Foster and the folks in
California. This is an exhibition fight and

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there were there were certain rules that
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they may not have made this part
public, I know for one hundred percent

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fact that they went and spoke to
both men in the dressing room prior to

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it and made sure, listen,
guys, we're we're here to have a

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good fight, but we're not going
for knockouts. We're not looking to hurt

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each other. We're looking to move
around the ring and put the put a

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good show on for the fans,
and we want everybody healthy and good to

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go and this sober, and they
basically did that. I don't know what

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the situation is with this, but
I do know when they announced, for

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one example, when they announced Tyson
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of discussion, is to say real
fight in exhibition. They didn't make that

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clear off the bat either, and
they never really answered the question, and

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ultimately it obviously became the fact that
it was officially a fight. It is

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counting on their records. So in
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we don't know the answer. And
I also, you know, it was

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just a few days ago that he
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against an unknown, you know,
but professional boxer to some degree,

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as he wanted to developmental fights.
He didn't say what he wanted to do

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next, but what he did say
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money fight comes, you know,
I'm gonna look at that. Also,

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I don't blame Jake Paul for taking
this kind of fight. Who he's gonna

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Why why fight you know, some
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on a small ish, relatively speaking
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deal in Puerto Rico when you can
make crazy amounts of money from Netflix.

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You asked about Netflix. Now,
it's not a pay per view, so

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obviously there's a ceiling of what they
can earn because it's not a pay per

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review where you make money off every
buy. But the fact that Netflix is

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doing this, I don't think it
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somehow suddenly become a player in the
boxing space. I think they look at

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it the way that Netflix looks a
lot of things. This is a big

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event. It's like the same way
if they have a big documentary or a

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big, you know, limited series, or they acquire the rights to some

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you know, big screen player,
or whatever the case may be. So

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I mean, it's not a bad
thing if they want to get involved in

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boxing. And I assume if it's
done like MVP has done their events and

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any other boxing promoter does their events, it'll have an actual undercard, which

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will be great exposure and a chance
for professional fighters who may not be well

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known to the masses to show their
stuff to the public. Who's going to

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watch this fight because it's not going
to cost extra money and Netflix is everywhere

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all around the globe and it's going
to be hugely promoted, and it's going

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to be a spectacle, without question. Now it may not be everybody's comp

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of tea. I've seen the most
massive hatred for it already on social media.

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I don't have a problem with it. I just want to know the

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answer is that a real fighter is
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that's too much to ask for.
I don't endorse the idea of a thirty

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year gap between a twenty seven year
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his prime and a fifty seven to
be fifty eight year old Mike Tyson who

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hasn't been in a real fight in
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of his last four fights. That's
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one more thing on this, and
I promise we're moving on to the pay

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per view. And I wrote about
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So in June of twenty twenty one, nearly three years ago, because

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he had that original fight on Triller
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pay per view had the deal with
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five million dollars to be part of
that. That's documented in the lawsuit that

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Triller filed against Mike Tyson for breach
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outside of them and have a fight
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exhibitions, and Triller successfully stopped that
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reports later on I'm looking at this
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Lennox Lewis later in twenty twenty one. I don't know what the status of

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any of that is. It's three
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or three years ago. But why
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going to come back around on this
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a settlement of some kind. I'm
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that Ryan Kavanaugh, the CEO,
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contract and saying we have a multi
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So who knows. That's not going
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opinion. And the thing is,
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money for it because they view it
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tremendous amount of publicity. And eyeballs. And you know, when you're in

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the streaming business and there's so much
churn, you have to continually offer your

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subscribers some kind of you know,
some kind of interesting or hot thing to

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make sure that they're subscribing. So
you know, I'm watching, I'm probably

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gonna go to tell you the truth. You know, I'm gonna they feel

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ready for the cowboy hat, the
the the boots and the bear and the

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belt buckle. No, listen,
I've covered a lot of fights in texts.

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I never weard how many boots in
my life. You were there for

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the you you've been there for the
many Pakiow fight that was there. And

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I keep telling you every time that
you go up into the press area and

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at and T Stadium for the football
for your beloved Dallas Cowboys, just kidding

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you. And Mauricio Suliman, they
have the photo of that paki how pay

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per view from the up the top
of the stadium showing the show. Question.

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My question about Jake Paul against Mike
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all time United States indoor attendance record, which was set in two thousand.

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In twenty one, when Canelo Alvarez
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Joe Saunders. That you were there, I was. They drew a crowd

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of seventy six thousand in change.
It broke the record set by the rematch

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between Muhammad Ali and Leon Spinks and
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at the Superdomain, Ne Orleans,
and if they priced the tickets appropriately,

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you know, and I think it
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the iconic nature of the two men
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the fight. But like you said, there's still details to be uh to

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come out. I mean, the
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does drive me a little wacky that, you know, they can't announce some

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basic information, particularly the number of
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But it's like, I'm assuming it's
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has been fighting eight rounders Tyson as
Jones was an eight rounder. You know,

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I'd be a little surprised if it
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don't take the commission. Even if
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I can't see them allowing it to
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just one other thing, those who
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the fight. Obviously it's boxing.
If you land any but anything can happen.

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I talked to a matchmaker type in
the business, do I have a

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lot of respect for today to ask
their opinion about this, and it was

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not even It took about all of
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fight. So that does lead us
into Friday afternoon US time, Friday night

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late in Saudi Arabia, the return
of Anthony, Joshua and Francis and Ghanu.

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We just saw Joshua in December with
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well, as we've talked about leading
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fight against Tyson Fury. Okay,
we again, full disclosure. You and

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I have already been over this on
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so it's a little odd we had
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card being Friday, So I didn't
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the same thing here. Joshua wins, but ultimately in Ghanu is going to

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hang in there, all right,
So your thoughts here as that is the

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main event of them get into the
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the Friday pay per view. Listen, I'm always happy to see Joshua in

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the ring. And you know you
said that the gun who quitted himself,

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A lot of people thought he won
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and maybe too many people should have
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heavyweight world champion. So he did
more than to quit himself. Well,

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he went basically straight up with the
number one heavyweight in boxing. Now,

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maybe maybe Fury wasn't taking it as
seriously as he should have. That certainly

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seemed to be the case. He
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condition that you would expect. However, Anthony Joshua watched that fight, saw

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he knows what happened there. And
so the gun who's not sneaking up in

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anybody this time, that's right.
But I think the guy who realized he's

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not sneaking up on anybody this time, and he looked they both looked an

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unbelievable condition in terms of the Way, and that doesn't always necessarily tell the

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story, but here they go.
It's an interesting fight. You know,

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it's not for the heavyweight Championship of
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it's still, you know, one
of the more interesting fights you can make

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in the way class based on what's
happening today. And what people should also

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remember is that this was supposed to
be the weekend of Anthony Joshua against Deontay

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Wilder. It's not Anthony Joshua's fault
that the Deontay Wilder got completely outclassed by

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Joseph Parker on the undercart in December
and lost the fight, and therefore that

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deal went down the drain. So
now Anthony Joshua regroups with Matt True Boxing

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and Eddie Hearn and the Saudi's and
they say, well, what's the next

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biggest fight we can make. Well, Tyson Fury is not available because he's

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fighting Usik for the undisputed title in
May. Ferdy fought Usick twice. He's

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not available, So what's the next
biggest fight. It was pretty obvious that

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it was Francis Nagan, who coming
off of what most people felt, not

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most, but many people felt was
a victory against Fury to make a big

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spectacle, while Joshua waits to perhaps
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and Usik, or at the worst
fight for what will eventually become the vacant

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IBF title. So from that standpoint, he's making a ton of money,

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as is Naganu, and they're gonna
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together and I'm not kissing anybody's asked
here. This is just the way I

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feel, you know, and we've
listened to the show knows. I try

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to keep that real as possible.
Very good undercard for this event. Can't

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argue one iota about this at all. More on the undercard in a second.

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We didn't really cover this on the
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want and again they can watch you
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We're talking about a little bit here. We both think Joshua ultimately wins

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by decision. But let me pose
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does not win, Anthony Joshua,
he's thirty four years old, and this

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would now be a fourth loss to
a third different fighter. Again, he's

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favored to win. But if he
does not win, what do you think

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that means. Now for Joshua,
just to the short term speculate, what

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do you think. I mean,
anytime a big name loses a fight,

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if you know, even if it's
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god, he's going to retire.
He should retire. You know. First

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of all, I don't get into
that. Number one, You got to

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see what actually takes place in the
fight. Number two, let's try to

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say Gavar against say he did lose
to Naganu. I mean, if people

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still want to watch him, if
he's still has the wherewithal to go train

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and get in shape and be ready
to fight, you know. And again,

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he's not like he's forty five years
old. He's still thirty four,

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which relatively speaking, is not an
old man. He has had less than

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thirty professional fights. You know,
it's not like he's going to go suddenly

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find a cure for cancer. So
fight until you know, you know,

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as long as you're still healthy and
you can still make money and people still

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have an interest to watch you.
If he does lose, I mean,

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obviously some of that made diminish a
little bit, but it doesn't it doesn't

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take it away. So I don't
even entertain that it'll be up to him

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to decide. There's he's not in
a situation where even if he did lose

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where you should suddenly say, oh
my god, he should retire. The

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fact of the matter is this is
going to be his fourth fight in like

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eleven months. Maybe he wasn't fighting
the biggest names in the weight class,

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but he's fighting very solid, reputable
heavyweights, and you know, he's been

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a lot more active than some great
absolutely. I mean, he scored a

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nice victory against Otto Valleen, who
was at the time like a top twelve

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is kind of heavyweight, had the
big knockout against a used up Pillennius,

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but he came in at last minute. Wasn't Joshua's fault that Dylan White felt

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the drug test. You also had
him fighting, you know, a very

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reputable, solid opponent like Jermaine Franklin, who was not a bum by any

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stretch of the imagination, and then
you know, he gave him a pretty

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good fight. And so no,
I mean, what's going to be is

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going to be He's making a big, a big event and a shitload of

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money, and good for him and
good for Naganu, who, by the

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way, you know, is living
out his dream of being a professional boxer

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now after you know, being a
superstar MMA champion. Okay, So that's

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the main event immediately before that,
and again we've handicapped these I know where

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you're coming down, and I'm coming
down the same way. Off the bet

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Us Show, Julai Jiang defends the
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You mentioned Parker beating Deontay one,
and I like what you said earlier in

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the week. I mean, what
do we really know about that performance?

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How much of it was Parker being
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We do know this, Jang's got
the big punch, the big straight left

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hand, and he put it on
Joe Joyce not once but twice KO and

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then Ko validated in those two fights. All right. So that's on the

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immediate undercard, and there's obviously some
intrigue here because the winner, particularly if

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it's Jang, very much relevant in
the worldwide scope with the China angle and

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all of that. All right,
So thoughts on the co feature, Well,

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whoever wins is relevant because they're the
WBO interim champion, which more importantly

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makes them the mandatory to eventually get
a chance to fight the winner of Fury

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versus Usik, which would be certainly
very interesting. I mean, it's if

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it's Jang against either one of those
guys, it's interesting. Joseph Parker has

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held the WBO title, he has
lost a competitive fight to Joshua. I'm

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not sure if he's ever going to
fight Tyson Fury. They're very close friends,

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They're part of the same camp.
I mean, I guess you know,

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Fury would fight anybody for the right
amount of money. I'm sure Parker

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would do the same. But this
is a good fight. And what I

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like about it. Number one,
You know, every promoter whoever promoted boxing

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would tell you, you know,
as they often do when it's complete nonsense.

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But in this case, it's not
that this fight as a co feature

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could easily be the main event on
its own card. One hundred percent.

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This could easily be the main event
on its own card, no question about

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it. But I also like about
the fight is the fact that Joseph Parker,

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after he got by Joe Joyce,
who later himself got knocked out by

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Jang. You know, Joseph Parker
didn't sit around for a year crying about

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it and being ticked off about it
and you know, waiting for the phone

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to ring. He went out there
and proactively has fought and fought and fought.

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He's got like four fights in the
past year, and he's been very

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active. Now he's not been fighting
super top names, but he's been scoring

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some knockouts. He's looked very sharp. He then went in the ring against

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Deanty Wilder. While he didn't get
a knockout, he got a well deserved

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one sided decision. And he's earned
the opportunity nobody handed him this particular fight.

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He went out there, he beat
Deontay Wilder, he wrecked the Anthony

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Joshua fight, and this is his
reward, a big payday for an interim

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title, but more impoorantly, the
possiblity of a position to fight for the

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Big Boy title. And he's doing
it against Shang. Had no fear about

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taking on a guy. He was
outweighed TJ by what forty pounds or something

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like that. I mean he came
into the weigh in Joe Parker, and

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he's a big dude. I've stood
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He's two hundred and forty seven pounds. Zang was well proportioned. You

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might say that's ridiculous, but he
looked good at two hundred ninety one pounds

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and for someone that's believed to be
around forty and he was big even up

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against Joyce, who's a bigger heavyweight, he looked big up against him.

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This is this is This is a
very very good fight for the undercart.

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And there's a lot of other good
undercard fights, but this is, you

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know, whatever you think about the
crossover with when Naganu from MMA and and

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all that stuff, this is a
bonafide heavyweight fight. If you're making unbiased

407
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:33,160
heavyweight rankings, then there's no doubt
about it that Jang and Parker are among

408
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,279
let's call them the top five heavyweights
in boxing. It's Tyson in no particular

409
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:44,759
order. It's Tyson, fury Ooh
Sick Jang, Joe Parker, and Anthony

410
00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:48,240
Joshua again not necessarily in that order. Those are your top of the group.

411
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:49,759
I don't think that's I don't think
that based on the wins and the

412
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:52,799
activity. I don't even think that's
really up for debate. You might quibble

413
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:56,480
with the order here or there.
Maybe you put Joyce. You know,

414
00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:00,240
I mean, you put Parker ahead
of Joshua, now bye. He put

415
00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:03,480
Joshua ahead of him because he won
against him. You know, whatever you

416
00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:06,640
want to do. But those are
the guys, and they're and and three

417
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,720
of them are on the same card
together. And then you got Naguan who

418
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,759
was sort of like his own separate
situation off to the side. Really good

419
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,160
matchup. And again you and I
are on the record we like the Jiang

420
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,400
Ko So if that does in fact
happen, it becomes even more intriguing the

421
00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:25,359
China angle and the interest for that
for the future. I don't know when

422
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,000
he can get his hands on on
the winner of Fury and Usik. It's

423
00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:30,880
gonna be a little wild who knows, but it's gonna be a little while.

424
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,559
But it's at least he stays in
that position and he stays in the

425
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:37,319
mix of these major events in Saudi
Arabia, because, as everybody knows,

426
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:41,799
Fury and Usik have a two fight
deal. Joshua was probably gonna be first

427
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:45,400
in line after that's over it because
of the fact that he's got the name

428
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:48,079
and the Saudis can pay whatever they
want to pay. Maybe if he's waiting

429
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,519
for that, he'll fight for the
IBF title, which would then become another

430
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:53,960
unification fight. But there's a lot
of things that are gonna happen and nothing,

431
00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:57,599
nothing really matters right now until we
see what happens on on on fight

432
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,759
night. All right. Speaking of
fighting that and again, we've got the

433
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,680
interview with Callum Waltsh that you did
coming up in just a few moments.

434
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,200
We did not talk about this fight
on the bet Us Boxing show. You

435
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:14,319
did briefly mention this. This is
the Madromoff Urban Off vacant WBA Junior Middleweight

436
00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:15,480
ted to fight right, feel I
can't keep up. This fight was on,

437
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:18,119
this fight was off. This fight's
back on, all right, So

438
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,839
tell me more about what's been going
on the last twenty four to forty eight

439
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:26,359
hours. And as we put this
podcast to bed, we believe all is

440
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,720
good. Everything's medicals, and they
are fighting. So go ahead and clear

441
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,240
all of that up as we get
ready for that title fight on this car.

442
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,720
There are no issues. So going
back a few days ago, look

443
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,240
Israel Majmov and Maga met Burbanoff.
I've been in training and preparing for a

444
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:42,359
fight that was going to be on
this card. The question was was the

445
00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:45,440
WBA going to act in time for
it to be for the vacant title.

446
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,559
Jamel Charlot hasn't boxed in the weight
class for a while. He did fight

447
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:53,160
Canelo Algaism lost, He's not committed
to whether he will fight that weight class

448
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,799
again. He sidelined with his own
legal issues, and so the WBA did

449
00:26:57,559 --> 00:27:03,519
exactly what the WBC did, which
is they reclassified Charlot as a champion in

450
00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:06,000
recess. Said listen, let us
know if you're going to fight in this

451
00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:08,519
way class, how your legal situation
is going. And when you come back

452
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,599
and you want to fight for this
title, you've got the first shot.

453
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,319
And that's what's going to happen if
he decides to come back. In the

454
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,400
meantime. The title is now vacant
and these are the next available, top

455
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,759
leading guys in their rankings, Magi, Mov Kurbanov are fighting for the vacant

456
00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:26,119
title. So what happened was Israel
Madromov had an MRI or a normal pre

457
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,400
fight scan medical thing, and when
it was read, they found an anomaly

458
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:34,519
on the scan and they had the
people look at it or not look at

459
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:37,640
the actual scan. The way it
was explained to me. They read the

460
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,119
report of what was on the scan, and the British Boxing Board of Control,

461
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,039
which are the folks that oversee and
regulate the events that take place in

462
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:45,759
Saudi Arabia, said that he was
not going to be permitted to fight because

463
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,400
they didn't like what they saw or
what they read that they saw. So

464
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:55,359
his team went to the regulators.
They asked to have another test on and

465
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,799
to have a more in depth study
of the original scan taken. So when

466
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:02,759
the scan was read, combined with
the results of what we're seeing on the

467
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,240
second batch of tests, which took
place within about a five or so day

468
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:10,680
period of time, so they were
very close to each other the original.

469
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,960
As it turns out, according to
by sources, that original scan that was

470
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,440
the reason for him not being allowed
to fight was misread and that there wasn't

471
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,119
an issue, and the second one
backed that up, and therefore he was

472
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,839
licensed and now he and Kurbanoff will
get in the ring and fight for this

473
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,240
vacant title. It's an interesting matchup. Kurbanov is not a well known fighter.

474
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,640
He's twenty five and zero from Russia. His big win, which was

475
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,480
actually on ESPN Plus back in twenty
twenty one, he scored a very solid

476
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,640
but close decision against Liam Smith.
He's also defeated Patrick Decida, who's the

477
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,559
former WBO title holder in that weight
class. He's got to win over Michelle

478
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:48,440
Soro, who had the crazy back
and forth two fights with a Magic Model

479
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,240
and one was like a no content
or a technical draw because of an accidental

480
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:59,559
foul. And then there was a
very controversial knockout Lossity suffer because Magmuff hit

481
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,200
him well well well after the bell, but it wasn't his fault because nobody

482
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,160
including the referee heard the bell.
I mean, so he had to suffer

483
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,920
through that situation anyway. So now
they're fighting for this vacant title and that's

484
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,640
a really interesting matchup. But you
ask me all right again, well covered

485
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,279
on that and then but wait,
there's more. There's one more title fight.

486
00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:21,599
And we did handicap this as well
on the bet Us Boxing show that

487
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,000
again debuted on Wednesday. I keep
explaining, we've already done that. You

488
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:27,599
don't need to explain to them.
They know we're on the bet USh God,

489
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,559
I got you. They can go
see that. But for here and

490
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,920
for this purpose on the podcast,
if you didn't see it. We're intrigued

491
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,359
by Nick ball unbeaten out of Liverpool, England and Ray Vargas moving back down

492
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:47,200
to featherweight after having fought at junior
lightweight WBC featherweight title fight, and the

493
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,319
featherweights have been in the news after
the main events last weekend in Verona,

494
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:53,079
New York. All right, so
again, tell them more about this and

495
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:56,680
what's more and more agreement from you
and me about what's going to happen here,

496
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,039
But go ahead, yeah, listen. This is a solid interesting fight.

497
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:00,960
It's sort of a Ross Rose Is
kind of fight. Vargas is a

498
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,279
little bit older, Nick Balla is
much younger, still very fresh. The

499
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:10,759
first big opportunity for Nick to fight
for a world title. The thing about

500
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:12,440
Vargas is, as you mentioned,
he first of all, he'd been a

501
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,799
long time title holder at the junior
featherweight level. He had a layoff.

502
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,119
When he came back, he got
like a one, you know, a

503
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,000
tune up fight, and then he
fought Mark mcsio, who was undefeated at

504
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:26,359
the time. They did that fight
in July of twenty twenty two, and

505
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,359
Ray Vargas won a split decision and
won the WBC featherweight world title, and

506
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,319
though he didn't really immediately defend the
title. Instead he took the opportunity,

507
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:38,119
as lots of fighters do in one
way class too, with the approval of

508
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:41,839
the sanctioning body, if it's available, move up to the next weight class

509
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:44,119
and fight for the title there.
In this case, this was for the

510
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,119
vacant WBC Junior Lightweight title which had
been vacated, and so he fought O'shaki

511
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,039
Foster for the vacant title, and
O'shaki Foster gave him a boxing lesson and

512
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,000
won the vacant title. And at
that point, Ray Vargas has a decision

513
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,599
to make. Do I stay at
one hundred and thirty pounds where I'm really

514
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:02,200
not worth it anything without a world
title, Where I go back to the

515
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,720
to the featherweight division, where having
a title, you know, is an

516
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:11,319
economic important economic aspect from my career, because the title is what makes him

517
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,799
And so he made the only decision
that made sense, which as long as

518
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:15,680
he could make the way, he
went back to featherweight. So now he's

519
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,240
going to make his first defense coming
off of that loss. But at age

520
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:22,480
thirty three, five years older than
Nick Ball, having been in a lot

521
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,759
of tough fights, and he's defending
the title against Nick Ball, who was

522
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:29,160
an undefeated fighter. As you mentioned
Englin, who's looked really good. I

523
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,680
mean, he's got a bunch of
knockouts in recent fights, but he was

524
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:34,880
not. In his last fight though, that was the most impressive name anyway,

525
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,240
where he won a very clear decision
against the former junior featherweight title or

526
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:42,039
Isaac Dogbay. That was a really
outstanding performance and kind of made his name.

527
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:45,880
That was on the undercard of of
a card that had a whole bunch

528
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:51,640
of like you know, British title
fights and other you know, regional important

529
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,319
titles and so, but that was
like the standout performance on that show,

530
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:59,519
it seemed to me. And he
gets this opportunity because you have a Brandon

531
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:04,880
figure Out with the interim WBC title, but him and Vargas was supposed happening

532
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,440
end of last year. That was
a PBC thing. They couldn't get it

533
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,920
together for showtime, so figure Out
was still kind of on the shelf.

534
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:14,519
But there was the opportunity to make
this fight with Nick Bos with Frank Warren,

535
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:17,799
the promoter of the card in Saudi
Arabia, and so the WBC said

536
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:21,720
Okay, you can do that fight
because he was the mandatory. The fight

537
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:24,200
against Dougby was the eliminator, and
so therefore this is the fight that's happening.

538
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:27,400
The crazy thing about this fight is
when you see the pictures of these

539
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,200
two guys in the way in or
at the press commerce or the photographs,

540
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:34,039
Ray Vargas is like the jolly green
giant and Nick Ball is like, you

541
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:36,400
know, the tiny little guy,
like it looks like a smurf. Next,

542
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,680
I saw that interesting compact. It's
about five six different five six inches

543
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,720
difference in them. It's a big
big It's like, yet you and I

544
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:46,920
are believing in Ball, who's what
four years younger or five years younger.

545
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,319
We're believing all here. We're believing
in Ball that this is his moment here

546
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:54,880
against Vargas. And I know you're
concerned too about having to move back down

547
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,319
in weide here in the weight cut, he did make the weight. He

548
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,920
was even what a pound under.
I think I saw he's the one coming

549
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,759
off a year layoff. He's the
one that's fighting on and he's the champion

550
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:08,680
going into the fight. But it's
really Nick Ball's card, if you will,

551
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,240
from the standpoint that it's his team
that's involved in the fight. It's

552
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:15,839
the British Boxing Board that's overseeing.
I'm not saying anybody's doing anything untoured,

553
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,920
but if you're gonna go, you
always like to be on your own team's

554
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,640
car, not the other guy's card. So he's got a lot going against

555
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,599
him in that sense, and again
hasn't fought for a while. Well,

556
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:27,480
look, Ray Vargas, he's not
the most exciting guy in boxing in terms

557
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,079
of his action in his fights,
but he's a very competent boxer. He's

558
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:34,200
got a lot of experience and it's
a big moment for nick Ball and he's

559
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:36,200
I think he's got a real chance
to win. And the fact that he's

560
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,519
that much shorter doesn't really to me. It's not a big deal. Just

561
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:42,240
banging that body, you should be
fine. Bang that body, all right,

562
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:45,359
Four good fights on that saudy card. Again, as you're listening to

563
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,759
us, as who released this on
Friday, begins Friday afternoon, with the

564
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:52,039
main event probably coming just after six
Eastern time. Adjust your time zone accordingly

565
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:54,240
on Joshuay and Ganu, And again, a lot of it will have to

566
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:59,960
do with how long do the undercard
fights go if they go longer than the

567
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,440
main event, maybe a little later, but we'll see what happens with that

568
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:06,799
timeline. All right, With all
of that, let's get to a conversation,

569
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,360
not this weekend, but next weekend
as we release March fifteen, Saint

570
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:15,480
Patrick's Day Weekend, a Friday night
fight card from three sixty Promotions at the

571
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:22,880
MSG Theater, features Callum Walsh,
unbeaten prospect junior middleweight riser in the junior

572
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,320
middleweight division. While we're talking junior
middleweights, and here he is right now

573
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,639
on the Big Fight Weekend preview.
I'm very pleased to be joining on the

574
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:37,800
podcast today for my very first interview
with the up and coming junior middleweight prospect

575
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,199
soon to be a contender, I
guess Callum Walsh. Callum, thank you

576
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,360
very much for joining me on the
show today. I want to talk about

577
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,119
your upcoming fight, your career.
How you doing. Thanks for joining me.

578
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,719
Yeah, I'm very good. Yeah, thanks very much for helping me.

579
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,599
My pleasure. We'll tell the people
you're nine to zero with seven knockouts,

580
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:57,199
You're only twenty three years old,
you're training out in LA but you're

581
00:34:57,199 --> 00:35:00,519
from Ireland. Got the great trainer
Freddie Roaching, your owner, and you've

582
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:06,599
got the main event coming up on
March fifteenth at the Madison Square Garden Theater.

583
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:09,159
Being Irish, that's a big deal
because that's Saint Patrick's Day weekend,

584
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:14,000
and before we get to the Saint
Patrick's Day element of it, I'm interested

585
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,960
just from your perspective as a young
fighter. Anytime a young fighter gets a

586
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:21,599
chance to be the main event for
the first time or second time or whatever,

587
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,039
it's kind of a big deal.
You're doing it in a place like

588
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:27,480
New York City at Madison Square Garden
with a guy that doesn't even have ten

589
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,480
professional fights yet. Can you just
tell me what that means to you,

590
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:37,280
if anything, about the fact that
you're in this hallowed venue headlining. Yeah,

591
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,000
you know, it feels it feels
very good to be the main event.

592
00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:43,639
I've I've been the main event every
fight since my since my second fight,

593
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:47,119
just not there, not at a
venue like Madison Square, out of

594
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:50,360
the venue like that, but but
still, you know, I've been the

595
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,199
main event on every UC Fight Pass, Carol, I fought on everyone of

596
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,159
tom shows. I've been main event. And also I feel like, uh,

597
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:04,360
I feel good. Obviously it's some
people would feel a lot of pressure,

598
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,079
you know, being the main event
in a place like Mangins Square Garden.

599
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,119
But I don't know, twenty three
years old, and I'm enjoying it.

600
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:14,000
You know. I love being the
main event. I love going in

601
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:17,320
there and knowing that all these people
are showing up to see me, you

602
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,760
know, and just to be able
to do this at such a young age,

603
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,199
you know, I'm just I'm trying
to enjoy it as much as I

604
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,000
can and I not feel too much
pressure. Well, you mentioned your promoter,

605
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,480
Tom. That's Tom Loffler from three
sixty Promotions, a man I have

606
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:35,159
known for probably almost twenty five years, and I know that he's very,

607
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,760
very excited about your future and your
career. And he's doing, you know

608
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,920
what promoters are supposed to do.
He's going to put you where, you

609
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,599
know, as they say, fish
where the fish are. Not only is

610
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:49,519
he bringing, you know, a
top young Irish talented fighter like yourself to

611
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,960
New York City and putting him in
a place like the Madison Square Garden Theater

612
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,280
where there's a big Irish community in
the area. But he's doing this fight

613
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,559
with you and the garden on Saint
Patrick's Day, weekend. Can you tell

614
00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:02,000
me about your thoughts about being in
that position where you know it's going to

615
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:07,599
be a heavily Irish crowd that turns
out. And I've been at Madison Square

616
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:12,360
Garden on Saint Patrick's Day weekend for
fights involving Irish fighters and it's quite a

617
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,079
scene. What are your thoughts about
that that big spot. Yeah, I'm

618
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,880
definitely looking forward to I know,
the last time even I thought there in

619
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,280
November and there was still a massive
Irish crowd, So I can only imagine

620
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,039
how many of them are going to
show up Saint Patrick's that weekend. And

621
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,920
yeah, like I said, no, I'm just focus on the fight right

622
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,239
now. You know, I'm not
too word about the crowd. But after

623
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,000
I get the win, I get
my job done, I'll enjoy it.

624
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,519
Then, you know, I'll look
out in the crowd and I'll take in

625
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,119
I'll take in how many people showed
up to see me fight, and yeah,

626
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,320
we'll go out after and I'll enjoy
it. Then are you how aware

627
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,320
are you of the at least in
recent times anyway, of the other Irish

628
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,159
fighters that have done what you're doing
also in other words, fighting, you

629
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:59,639
know, becoming popular figures within the
Irish community, particularly in New York and

630
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:01,800
fighting out a place like the Madison
Square Garden or at the theater. And

631
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:07,360
I'm talking about and fighters I've covered
d Michael Comlin, John Duddy, Matthew

632
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,239
Macklin, you know in major fights, Andy Lee, you know who is

633
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,679
a world champion. That's a pretty
good group of guys that that you're sort

634
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:15,880
of following in their footsteps. Have
you do you know about them? Have

635
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,320
you thought about that? Yeah?
I know I know them fighters, Yeah,

636
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,079
yeah, and yeah, you know, I'm just I'm just doing my

637
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:29,440
own thing. So I'm not trying
to follow anybody's anybody's part or trying to

638
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,679
be like anybody, you know.
I'm just from just being myself and just

639
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:34,320
being Calum Wulch and seeing what I
can do. You know, they've all

640
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,639
made their own names and in the
sport of box and I'm trying to do

641
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,400
the same thing, just make my
own name. So for those who don't

642
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,960
know, you were obviously a very
top level amateur. You were you were

643
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:46,880
poised to fight in the twenty twenty
Olympics. They got derailed because of the

644
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,840
pandemic. You ended up turning professional. Uh So, you had that amateur

645
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,840
background, and you're moving, you
know, somewhat quickly as professional. As

646
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,280
we talked about a little bit.
You know, you had your first schedule

647
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,840
ten round fight only in your sixth
professional fight. And I know that,

648
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,519
like I said before, Tom Waffler, your promoter's got a lot of belief

649
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:08,000
in you. Obviously, Freddie Roach
must have the same feeling. How do

650
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:10,920
you feel about the way you're being
moved in the speed with what you're moving,

651
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,360
You like the pace you're at,
the type of levels you're stepping up

652
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,199
in your opposition. Yeah, I
definitely like you. You know, I've

653
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:22,360
had one hundred and twenty amateur fights
and I've had nine profiles now, so

654
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,760
I felt like I was at a
higher level earlier. You know, I

655
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:30,199
was fighting six rounds and just like
you know, I need more runs.

656
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:31,679
I need to fight ten you know, I need, I need to get

657
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:36,559
myself better fights. And because I
was, I was at a way higher

658
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:39,039
level than my opponents already. You
know, my first three fights in total

659
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:44,239
was like not even two minutes.
You know, I was in like thirty

660
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,119
seconds. You know, it was
like there was no point in me even

661
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:50,880
fighting them. So he needed more
runs we needed tougher opponents, you know.

662
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,440
And and that's the thing, you
know, That's that's why I'm being

663
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,000
in moved so fast because I forced
it. You know. I was just

664
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,960
knocking people out when I and they
were like, really, we need to

665
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,920
get better opponents to actually get cut
them from roans. So that that's why

666
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,679
I'm being fast tracked, because I
was just knocking everybody who and now I

667
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,199
have to fight tough opponents to be
able to have good fights and be able

668
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,280
to put on fights for the crowd
and get myself rones an experience. You

669
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:22,119
know. So your your last fight
that you had against Ishmiel villar Reale,

670
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:23,480
that was in November. I thought
that was your your best opponent, at

671
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:28,360
least on paper. Going into that
fight. You want a very spirited decision,

672
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,559
but clearly a victory for you.
It felt like that was maybe a

673
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:35,079
little bit of a turning point in
your development where you're now taking on i'm

674
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:39,920
not not superstar opponents but more more
professional competent like guys that are going to

675
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,440
give anybody probably at least a little
bit of a tough night. Did you

676
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,039
feel like that in that matchup,
and if so, what did you sort

677
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:49,119
of take away from the experience,
at least taking a somewhat of a step

678
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:52,559
up in your opposition that night.
Yeah, I knew. I knew it

679
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:53,079
was going to be a tough fight. You know. I knew he was

680
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:57,760
a young prospect. You know,
he was going to come and try and

681
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,480
beat me. And I was fighting
him in his own and his back out,

682
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,840
you know, and I was fighting
in his hometown. He brought a

683
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,000
lot of fans, you know,
he didn't want to lose there in front

684
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,440
of his family or whoever was there. You know. So I knew he

685
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,239
was gonna come and he was going
to fight hard, and he was he

686
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,400
was going to try to win,
and he did. You know, we

687
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,400
fought. We fought ten rounds.
I felt that wasn't easy enough. You

688
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,559
know, There's there was no doubt
there that I wanted to fight, But

689
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,440
uh, I wasn't really I wasn't
really happy with my performance. You know.

690
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,320
I know I'm a lot better than
what I showed that night, and

691
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:30,480
uh I'm looking forward to showing how
much better I am this next time than

692
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:34,199
I was last time. Well,
it seems like again you're taking another incremental

693
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:36,719
step up in your opposition. You're
taking on there and you loosen off.

694
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,920
He's a little older. He's eleven
three and one with ten knockouts. Like

695
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,639
I said, you're twenty three,
he's thirty seven. But he's got experience.

696
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:46,199
He comes from a boxing family.
His brother was an Olympic gold medalist.

697
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:51,000
How do you feel like that that
is in terms of your next step,

698
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:52,760
Like what do you expect that you
loosenough when you come into the ring

699
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,000
on that night? You know,
I don't expect. I just expect everybody

700
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:00,639
that that fights me, you know, to bring their bad everyone that's going

701
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:02,280
to show up and fight me,
especially as a main event in in Maxis

702
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,280
Square Garden, there's a massive opportunity
for anyone that anybody that fights me,

703
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,400
you know, if they beat me, that's that's a massive for them,

704
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,960
you know. So everybody's gonna bring
their best when they come to fight me.

705
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,199
And to be honest, I'm not
thinking too much about him, you

706
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,280
know, I'm just thinking about myself
on side. The show up and I'm

707
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,039
fitting, I'm in shape, and
I perform. There's there's nobody will beat

708
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:24,400
me. Tell me a little bit
about what it's like working with the great

709
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,119
trainer Freddie roach My old Palo.
I've known for a very long time.

710
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:30,480
He's not the kind of trainer that
just goes and works with anybody. You

711
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:35,119
know, He's usually got to be
excited about the fighter or see something that

712
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:37,079
he really feels like the guy has
a future or a chance to do something

713
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:42,199
if he's going to spend his his
time and energy trying to trying to help

714
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,760
the young man or woman and get
to where they want to go. What's

715
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,880
your what's your relationship and what do
you what's your take on working with Freddie

716
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,480
Roach? Yeah? No, me
and me and Freddie have a very good

717
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,079
relationship. You No, I don't. There's no I don't fuck around like

718
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:54,679
I go to the gym. I
do. I do what he tells something

719
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,119
to do. You know, he's
the coach and and I'm the student.

720
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:01,760
I suppose, you know. I
go there and I learn every day,

721
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,480
and I'm I'm willing to learn.
That's why Freddy likes to work with me.

722
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:07,159
So I don't go there and like
some pros, you know, they

723
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,440
want to do their own thing or
they want to be you know, the

724
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,280
boss or whatever. But I just
go there and I learned, and that

725
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,599
that's how it's always been since my
amateur career. You know, if my

726
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:19,719
coaches were always there and they tell
you what to do, I show to

727
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,239
the gym and they say what to
do, and you say yeah. If

728
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,280
you say no, you just go
home, you know, they just tell

729
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,679
you to leave. So I feel
like I brought that to the gym and

730
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,760
and Freddie respected it, you know. And I obviously brought a very big

731
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,679
amateur background and some good boxing mom
once I inspired here the first day,

732
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,960
Freddie wanted to keep me there.
So but I feel like it's a good

733
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:45,800
mixture, you know, from with
my amateur background and now Freddy's experiencing the

734
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,920
pros. It's like a good mixture, you know, for the styles I

735
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,239
can. I can box and move
if I have to, and I'll learn

736
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,440
from Freddy for the last three years. I can stand down to fight,

737
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:58,280
you know what I mean, and
get to get the fight over. So

738
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,000
one of the things that does intrigue
me at your career is it's sort of

739
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:04,800
being done in a little bit of
a non traditional manner. And I say

740
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,000
that because you and Tom uh you
know, it's being done sort of outside

741
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:13,480
boxing circles in many ways, because
of the relationship that you and Tom have

742
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,480
forged with Dana White from UFC.
You fight on UFC Fight Pass, not

743
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:23,360
really a traditional boxing platform. UFC
is tied corporately with the WWE, and

744
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:28,159
you had your this fight that you're
going to have coming up on March fifteenth.

745
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,440
You know, they promoted it and
showed you in video on their UFC

746
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,039
recent UFC card. They did the
same on WWE Monday Night Raw. How

747
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:40,360
do you feel about sort of being
put in front of that audience which is

748
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,480
not really a boxing audience, but
certainly can't help. I can't hurt.

749
00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:47,159
I should say the marketability and the
and the and the getting your name out

750
00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:51,639
there to not necessarily boxing fans,
but just people that are taking time to

751
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,719
watch combat sports. Yeah. Absolutely. You know when I when I was

752
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,119
growing up, I was a much
bigger UFC fan than I was a boxing

753
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,840
fan, you know I was.
I always watch UFC every weekend, you

754
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:07,159
know what, watch the UFC fights. And and now being able to actually

755
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,400
be around the UFC, be around
the UFC fighters, be able to go

756
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:15,400
to any UFC event I want,
like having like working with Dana White and

757
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,000
Tom lovel you know, and Freddie
Rose and I have the best team in

758
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:22,760
the game, I think right now, you know, and being able to

759
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:28,239
to combine both fans, you know, the UFC fans and the boxing fans

760
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,360
is a much bigger audience, you
know, for for fights. And you

761
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,360
know, I love I love UC. I love the sport of m m

762
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,159
A. You know, I love
to learn. I love to train sometimes

763
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:40,119
when I'm not not in camp for
for a fight or whatever. So who

764
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:44,599
knows, maybe some day down the
line, I might cross over and on

765
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,760
and and make my UFC davy.
That'd be interesting because these days it's usually

766
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,719
the the m m A fighter that
tries to come over to boxing, and

767
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,559
it's very it's much more rare.
I guess that the boxer that crosses over

768
00:45:55,679 --> 00:46:01,000
into the UFC cage. And I
know that that you that you love that

769
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,639
that Uh what what the UFC people
bring to the table for your career and

770
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,519
helping promote you and the things I
just mentioned. Uh, But do you

771
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:14,639
feel like at some point because most
boxing fans, which is really what you

772
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,719
want to grow, they're not no
offense to UFC fight Pass or anything like

773
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,199
that, but that's not a place
where most boxing fans look to watch boxing.

774
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,079
So your fights are primary only on
UFC Fight Pass right now, do

775
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:29,960
you feel like at some point you
need to be on a platform at least

776
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:35,480
sometimes that more that's more catered towards
boxing fans and MMA fans, So more

777
00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:37,719
of boxing fans can get a chance
to know you and see you and follow

778
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:43,239
you. Yeah, you know,
I don't make the plans. I don't

779
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,880
put the fights on the TV,
you know, I just didn't. I

780
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,840
get in the ring and I and
I do my job, and I presume

781
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,000
I don't know. I don't presume
I know Tom and then and however have

782
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:55,719
a have a good plan for me? So or just I trust them.

783
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,320
I just getting the ring and I
fight, and they make the plans,

784
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,480
they put the fight on the on
the TV and all that stuff. So

785
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:05,039
yeah, like I said, I
just I just fight. But I'm sure

786
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:08,159
they have a plan for me.
So I'll wrap up with this. Then

787
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,599
you talk about the plan. As
I mentioned, you are nine to oh,

788
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:15,440
but you're advanced as a nine to
OZHO fighter. You have been in

789
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:20,119
main events all the time, You're
fighting in a hallowed arenas like Madison Square

790
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:23,159
Garden. In your mind, how
how far in the future do you see

791
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:29,159
yourself stepping up against you know,
even top level opponents. Nothing against the

792
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:30,320
guys you've been fighting. You're being
brought along. It seems to me the

793
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,400
right way. But where you're fighting, you know, more meaningful fights,

794
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,199
Let's say regional titles, eliminators,
you know, names that other fight fans

795
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,440
might recognize. Do you have a
mind a mindset of how far along that

796
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:45,199
will take? You know, how
far in the future that may be.

797
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,440
You know, my mindset is my
job as a fight So whoever they tell

798
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,119
me to fight, you, wherever
they tell me to fight, I'll be

799
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:52,840
there and on fight. You know
that. That's it. It's just like

800
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,159
I said, I don't I don't
make the plans. I don't make the

801
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,880
fights. They just tell me you're
fighting whoever on this day and I just

802
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,480
okay, No. They don't even
ask me, do I want to pick

803
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:05,960
this opponent? What opponent? Do
it? They just say you're fighting this

804
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:10,480
guy this time, and I say, okay, So whoever wants to fight

805
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:13,840
me, whoever Tom wants me to
fight, Dana wants me to fight.

806
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:16,480
They just tell me when away and
I show up and we'll get the job

807
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:20,679
done. I have to think that
you got an opinion about like, you

808
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,679
know, when you feel like you're
ready for a bigger step up, right,

809
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,320
I mean, yeah, I know
you're leaving the business to the folks

810
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,519
that architect that, but you got
to have your own feeling about like you

811
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:32,320
feel like I'm ready for a twelve
rounder or I'm ready for a top a

812
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,039
better level of opponent. Do you
do you feel that at all? Yeah,

813
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:37,480
I feel like I'm ready for ending. You know, I'm in the

814
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:40,320
worldcaret Boxing Club. I'm sparing world
champions and sparing the best of the best

815
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,840
all the time, so I know
I know I'm ready. It's just whenever

816
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,199
they tell me to fight, I
just say, okay, Well they did

817
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:52,840
tell you to fight on March fifteenth
at the Madison Square Guard Theater, say

818
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,519
weekend, I know you'll be there
against Darren you loosener, Callum. I

819
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:58,840
wish you the best of luck and
I really appreciate you taking time to talk

820
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,480
to me today. Yeah, but
yeah, I appreciate thank you. Okay

821
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:05,199
again, so just to clarify that, it's not this weekend, that is

822
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,199
next weekend, March fifteen, Saint
Patrick's Day weekend. He's coming up.

823
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:09,599
But what about Callum Walsh. We
should be paying attention to this guy.

824
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:14,559
Yeah, good prospect, I mean
growing fan base. He's from Ireland.

825
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:16,480
He trains in Los Angeles, like
you heard us talk about. His trainer

826
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:21,320
is Freddy Roach. Freddie Roach is
one of the great trainers in boxing history.

827
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:23,199
He doesn't usually take on guys if
he doesn't see something in them that

828
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,519
he thinks they can get to the
next level. This kid, Calum Wash,

829
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:30,480
a tremendous amateur, you know,
because of COVID related reasons, wound

830
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,960
up not going to the Olympics or
not trying to finish off to kind of

831
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:37,360
you know, to actually fight in
the Olympics. He's linked up with Tom

832
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:42,400
Loeffler from three sixty Promotions, and
what I found interesting that we talked about

833
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,559
is they're doing it in a non
traditional way. Tom is putting him in

834
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:49,159
these shows. The Garden is interested
to bring in that Irish community. So

835
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,000
it's his second consecutive headliner at the
Madison Square Garden Theater. Most of his

836
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:59,679
fights have all taken place in southern
California, and they're building him, but

837
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,840
he's not being presented thus far in
front of a boxing audience, necessarily because

838
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,039
his fights are all on UFC Fight
Pass, and that is because Dana White

839
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,320
has a relationship with Tom Loeffler and
has met the kid and likes the kid,

840
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,280
and they're helping support his career by
putting his events on the UFC Fight

841
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,239
Pass. So the UFC fans are
seeing him and they're shout him out at

842
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,880
the at They gave like a video
thing and introduced him at the last UFC

843
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,880
event. They did the same thing
on a recent episode of Monday Night Raw.

844
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:30,159
Because UFC and and WWE are now
owned by the same company, so

845
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:36,239
he's getting some great exposure in terms
in terms of mainstream audience from you know,

846
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,599
big fan bases at UFCNWWE. He
just hasn't necessarily yet made the name

847
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:43,280
in boxing, but he's good.
I watched some clips and saw a couple

848
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,039
of fights and that, you know, talk to some different people that have

849
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:49,440
watched him. He's a lefties from
Ireland. He's got a good style,

850
00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:52,239
he's got a lot of knockouts.
He's been increasing his competition. You know,

851
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,000
he's got a chance. I had
him on my top fifteen prospect list

852
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,320
at the end of two thousand and
twenty three, So there's that, and

853
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,360
so luck to the kid. He's
a nice, nice interview and I wish

854
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:07,840
him good luck. So now some
news, and we have been talking about

855
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,719
this. We talked about it on
the Recap podcast. We also talked about

856
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:14,239
it on the US show midweek that
now it looks like we're headed to the

857
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,519
finish line Canelo Alvarez Heimimongia. What
is the latest on Thursday night? Still

858
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:22,440
fluid, but I know you've been
doing some digging here. What's the latest.

859
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:27,400
Well, the latest is that come
May fourth, at the Team Mobile

860
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,039
Arena in Las Vegas, Sinco de
Mayo weekend, we will see Canelo Alvarez

861
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:35,119
in the ring. He will be
fighting his Mexican countryman Heimimongia. If you're

862
00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:37,320
not fighting David benavite'z, that's a
tremendous fight as far as the action that

863
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:42,519
the fans can expect and it will
take place. And the curveball, if

864
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,920
you will in this is that it
will be not only an Amazon Prime pay

865
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,760
per view as part of the PBC
deal, but it will also be carried

866
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,719
on pay per view by de own. That was I guess. I'm sure.

867
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,440
And just to be clear about this, number one, it's not the

868
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,800
paperwork is not signed. The deal
is agreed to. I am told by

869
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,159
person with direct knowledge that's involved,
and that's no you know in the room,

870
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,320
so to speak. So that's the
that's the first thing. So they're

871
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,239
putting everything to paper, and if
everything on paper reflects what everybody believes they've

872
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,599
agreed to, we'll get a signed
contract. And we got to be real

873
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:16,519
careful about that stuff. Point being
it's not signed, but apparently there are

874
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:22,480
no issues, and that the fact
that it's Canelo going to be on Amazon

875
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:25,239
Prime. He did a one fight
deal with Hayman. Now, remember when

876
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,880
he fought to Charlot Fight in the
fall. It was the first of what

877
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:32,159
was supposed to be a three fight
deal. Then they had their issues and

878
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,920
he ended up splitting with them.
He's now been with two fights remaining.

879
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:40,000
He's now back with them on a
one fight deal. I am told that

880
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:45,239
he is. His his take is
north of forty north of thirty five million

881
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,679
dollars. I think it's probably close
to forty million dollars just for Canelo,

882
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:51,480
and I don't know this for one
hundred percent, but I am under the

883
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,199
very strong impression that the number for
Mongia is a little north of ten million.

884
00:52:55,639 --> 00:53:00,760
Interesting. So the bottom line is
that PBC and Hayman under stood that

885
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,920
if they have any prayer whatsoever of
making things work as an Amazon Prime pay

886
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,079
per view platform as a plan for
their events, you can't let the number

887
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:12,960
one attraction in the business walk.
And I don't know this, but common

888
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,599
sense, knowing enough about the business
you're reporting and watching all of this go

889
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:21,599
on, that obviously everybody is getting
something they want. What you just said

890
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:24,880
is important for premiere boxing champions.
They need a big name to kick off

891
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,400
their pay per view type stuff.
What Canelo gets out of this is he's

892
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:35,159
not obligated to another fight with them. And what obviously Dizone couldn't do is

893
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:37,239
they couldn't do this financially on their
own, or they would have done it

894
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:42,840
right. That's common sense. So
now everybody, everybody kind of gets what

895
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,320
they want because it's going to end
up that's interesting, It's going to be

896
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,800
offered on to Zonne pay per views. Yeah, but here's the thing,

897
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,559
A couple of things about that.
I understand what you're saying, but if

898
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,440
Hayman was not doing the fight in
the Zone, I think the Zone could

899
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,440
have guaranteed the money if they wanted
to, absolutely, but I don't think

900
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,840
Canelo wanted to work with Golden Boy. And so even though Golden Boy is

901
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:06,880
involved with Mangia and and the way
it's explained to me is they help negotiate

902
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,360
the Mangia deal. They are his
promoter along with Zanfer Promotions, but they

903
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,119
are not a co promoter of the
event. I don't know if that means

904
00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:16,119
that Golden Boy and Oscar will be
around, you know, there's team will

905
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:20,239
be around during the fight week.
Obviously, canelowhen Oscar don't have any kind

906
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,800
of relationship at this point, and
he's sort of kind of been, you

907
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:29,119
know, punitive against Oscar to some
degree. But that that's, you know,

908
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:30,920
the bottom line for you and me
and for the the person of watching

909
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,639
the fight, that doesn't really mean
anything. Who gives a shit who's up

910
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:37,280
there on the podium talking about the
fighter, whether it's Oscar de la Hoya

911
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,159
or you know, Tom Brown from
you know, TGB Promotions that handle the

912
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:45,679
PBC events or whoever. We're gonna
get this fight, and it's a good

913
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,639
one and it should be exciting,
and I'm sure that will be a huge

914
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,280
Mexican crowd and the like you mentioned. The biggest thing is that it allows

915
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,000
Canelo Alvarez when the fight's over,
to go and do what he wants to

916
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:58,559
do with this series of short term
deals are one fight deals, and he

917
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:00,719
can then go back to PBC if
he wants to, if he wants to

918
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,079
fight one of their guys, or
he can go talk to you know,

919
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:05,639
anybody else that has a fight that's
of interest in, whether it's another fight

920
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,599
with his own or a fight with
Matt Trow Boxing or you know, Golden

921
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:09,960
Boy or who knows, or top
rank or whatever's out there for him,

922
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:13,480
do it on his own however he
wants to do it. I mean,

923
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,280
he's basically running his career in the
similar manner that Ray Leonard ran his career

924
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,880
for all those years. He worked
with lots of different promoters to his career,

925
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,559
oftentimes with top rank, but oftentimes
not, and he had his advisor

926
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:27,760
that made the deals and he got
paid a huge amount of money. And

927
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,119
if you believe in your skills and
you're good enough, you don't have to

928
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:31,800
worry about losing, or even if
you do lose. Canela Obas's career is

929
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,840
not over. He can, you
know, get back on and get into

930
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,840
another fight with whoever, because he's
got such a popularity and such a big

931
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,199
name and such a legacy and all
that. And it's funny that this deal

932
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:45,880
comes, you know, like you
know, right around the anniversary, you

933
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,599
know, within a day or two
when Canelo first won his first world title

934
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,840
at the junior middleweight division. I
mean, tells you he's been around for

935
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,480
a long time, but he's still
at the top. He's still making big

936
00:55:55,519 --> 00:56:00,800
deals, still doing big fights,
and it's a testament to a staying power

937
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,679
and what he's done in the ring
as well as the team he surrounded himself

938
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,360
outside of the ring to help get
these deals done and make that decision to

939
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,719
go on his own. So it's
been thirteen years as of March fifth that

940
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,360
he won the first world title here
and is now undisputed supermdoweight chat and make

941
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:20,079
another big fight against Heimi Mungive.
And so this is a good segue.

942
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,320
As we mentioned earlier that our friends
at PPV dot com not only have knockout

943
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:28,039
Chaos, but they're going to have
the Canelo fight coming up as well.

944
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,440
And let's tell you a little bit
more about that right now. On our

945
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,960
podcast, we keep talking about Knockout
Chaos, and now we're going to talk

946
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:39,440
more specifically about how to see it
and why you want to utilize PPV dot

947
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:44,599
com. The senior vice president of
Marketing and Programming, Mark bro Carti,

948
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,639
is back with us. I don't
think I've gotten to say yet Happy New

949
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:52,079
Year to you. It's already March, and I'm just saying talking to you

950
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:54,920
in the new year, my friend. I feel neglected on my end right

951
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,079
now, but it's good to be
with you. Good to be with you,

952
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,119
and I think you're just about the
of saying happy New Year. So

953
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:07,639
let's just say Happy March. March
madness, going on, spring training,

954
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:12,079
baseball, any number of things,
flowers blooming, oh by the way,

955
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,320
boxing, boxing in Saudi Arabia,
and Knockout Chaos pay per view Friday afternoon,

956
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,360
US time. As they hear US
with Anthony, Joshua Francis and Ghanu

957
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,199
in the main event, all right
to I mean, we're looking forward to

958
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,440
whatever this is going to be,
and certainly in Ghanu made a lot of

959
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:37,000
believers out of how he looked against
Tyson Fury that he is coming with credibility

960
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:38,679
here and may have a legit shot
to win this fight, Mark, that's

961
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,239
me saying it. How excited are
you for this? Yeah, I'm really

962
00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:45,000
excited to see what this means for
in Ganu. I mean, look at

963
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,719
the other side first, Joshua.
He needs this win. He wants this

964
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,719
win, right. It sets him
up for a huge next event against the

965
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,599
winner of fury U six. So
he's coming in very motivated. In Ghanu,

966
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,840
as you referenced, looked great.
I say great. He looks way

967
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,800
better than anyone thought when he did
fight Fury back in December. I think

968
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,119
one question though, that remains unanswered, is was that a function of Benganu

969
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:15,280
really coming in as strong as we
all saw or was it an perhaps slightly

970
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:22,079
unmotivated, slightly lacksadaisical of Tyson Fury. So I think this fight will help

971
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:27,440
answer some of those questions. But
I love in Ganu's confidence coming into this

972
00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:32,639
event. Right, every interview,
every print story you read, every a

973
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,039
TV interview you see he's talking about
how confident he is coming in and that

974
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:42,760
is just fantastic to see from someone
who's had one professional fight. Very true.

975
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,280
The footwork, we keep talking about
this, the skill level. All

976
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,719
right, we'll see what it looks
like. And one thing that we keep

977
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,440
honing in on and promoting. They
want to watch this through ppv dot com

978
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:59,599
for a couple of primary reasons.
Number one, great interactive experience, tremendous

979
00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:02,239
ten eighty or better, four K
whatever, you have to be able to

980
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,719
view it with the interaction that you
have with your guest moderators, et cetera.

981
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:12,400
And secondly, no long term subscription
commitment here. You just buy the

982
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,960
pay per view through ppv dot com. Yeah, that's exactly right. Two

983
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,800
important things to hit on. The
second one is super important, no subscription.

984
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,400
It's free to create an account and
then you buy what you want,

985
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,079
you leave, you come back when
you want, which is great. Number

986
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:29,679
two in terms of watching the event, a little bit of news too for

987
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,599
your listeners. So for this fight
for our chat host, our chat moderators,

988
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,320
we have not only Jim Lampley,
but Kevin Ioli is going to be

989
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:43,280
the co chat host and Kevin is
pumped to join us. He'll be there

990
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,519
taking fans questions, all fight,
commenting on, commenting on it. So

991
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:51,920
it should be a really active chat
and to you know, legends within our

992
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,320
business. And again for Kevin,
for those who are not familiar, he

993
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,599
has been covering the big time fight
scene for the better part of four decades.

994
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,079
He and Jim Lampley can break it
down and terms of not only the

995
01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:06,840
current but the historical perspective here in
the heavyweight division. So that's fantastic.

996
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,480
Kevin Ioli there with Jim Lampley,
all part of the interaction WITHPV dot PPV

997
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:14,360
dot com. Let's hit on it
one more time though, too, because

998
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:19,480
so much is being pushed on people
with subscribe, subscribe, subscribe to whatever

999
01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:22,400
the streaming app or service is.
We hone in again. If you just

1000
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:27,079
want to watch the Knockout Chaos pay
per view all the fights, including the

1001
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:31,519
main event, you only need to
buy it one time at PPV dot com

1002
01:00:31,639 --> 01:00:35,960
with no further commitment, right right, Yeah, there's no ongoing obligation.

1003
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,480
You can buy this fight and then
lucky you, you can come back on

1004
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:44,760
March thirtieth and purchase the next big
pay that we have, which is the

1005
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,000
Therman Zoo event. So yeah,
the concept of the whole concept of the

1006
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:52,000
service is we didn't want anyone to
have any commitments. Everyone has enough subscriptions,

1007
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,400
so this is just a very simple
buy at a la carte. We

1008
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:59,679
love that again. In terms of
the heavyweight division, I know we've got

1009
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:05,840
Tight and Fury and Alexander Usik coming
up here. We don't know if Deontay

1010
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,599
Wilder ever gets back into the mixed
as one of the young guns suddenly get

1011
01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:12,880
into the mix. But one thing
we know to bring it back to Friday

1012
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,599
afternoon US time, Friday night late
in Saudi Arabia, Friday night primetime in

1013
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:23,559
Europe, is whoever wins this fight
Joshua Enganu, Mark Bucardi very relevant in

1014
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:28,320
the picture for later twenty twenty four
and twenty twenty five. One more time.

1015
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:30,440
Oh yeah, absolutely. I think
the winner of this sets up a

1016
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:37,280
mega heavyweight title fight against the winner
of the Fury Usik And that's as simple

1017
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,639
as I can say it, and
as clean and as big a fight in

1018
01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:45,239
boxing as you can have. Is
an undisputed heavyweight championship title fight. And

1019
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,119
that kind of feels like the path
that we're going on, which is really

1020
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:52,679
exciting as a fan of the sport. Gonna be a lot of fun.

1021
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,599
Again, Mark, thank you so
much. We appreciate the partnership with PPV

1022
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,960
dot Com. We repeat one more
time. If you are looking see knock

1023
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:06,079
out Chaos on Friday afternoon, March
the eighth, do it through PPV dot

1024
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:08,119
com. Thank you, my friend. Let's see what happens here with this

1025
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:10,559
one, and promise me I get
to chat with you again before we start

1026
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:15,960
talking Tim Zo, Kim Keith Thurman
on PPV dot Com at the end of

1027
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:17,320
March. We look forward to all
of it one more time, Mark,

1028
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:20,679
Yeah, no, it'll be great. We're gonna have a great spring on

1029
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,639
PPV dot com, a lot of
big fights and I look forward to not

1030
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:28,599
waiting so long to see you again
next time. Great stuff, And again

1031
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:32,800
we emphasize they're gonna be doing these
different one off pay per view purchases,

1032
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,920
whether it is the Saudi Card Friday, Zoo and Thurman into the month obviously,

1033
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,360
the Canelo obviously, the Fury Usik, and we're proud to have them

1034
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,719
partnered up with us here as part
of Big Fight Weekend, the podcasts and

1035
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,119
also the website. More news and
then a little bit of nostalgia. You

1036
01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:52,159
already touched on a little nostalgia,
but a little more nostalgia before we're done

1037
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,679
on the rest of the news.
What is it, Rayphaiel, What is

1038
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:00,639
this about? Connor, Ben and
Manny pakiaw they're in soul to Arabia.

1039
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:05,239
I saw the video and the pictures. Is this legit? Yeah, Pakial

1040
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,920
is gonna come out of retirement and
maybe fight Connor Ban. How legit on

1041
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,519
the ray field meter. Now,
whether they get the deal done or not,

1042
01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:14,599
that's going to depend on whether uh, you know, his excellency Turkey

1043
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:15,960
al Sheik wants to spend the money
on the fight. If he wants to

1044
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,960
spend the money in the fight,
and fight will get done. Connor Ben

1045
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:22,320
wants this fight, Eddie Hern wants
his fight, Nanny Pakia wants his fight.

1046
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,159
Sean Gibbons' advisor wants this fight.
And there they didn't just accidentally run

1047
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:30,159
into each other. They purposely traveled
to Saudi Arabia to see each other face

1048
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:32,239
to face and to make him think
about it. You might you might accidentally,

1049
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,840
like run into each other at a
New York airport. You might be

1050
01:03:36,039 --> 01:03:38,000
at a big fight in Vegas.
You don't accidentally run into each other in

1051
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:40,239
Saudi Arabia. I agree with you, right, I mean, so,

1052
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:44,199
I mean it doesn't surprise me that
Connor Ben win. It's you know,

1053
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:46,519
Eddie's this promoter, he's there taking
in the fights and all that. But

1054
01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:52,480
but Nanny Packou and Sean Gibbons,
you know, they went purposely to to

1055
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,480
get in front of Connor ben and
for him to see him, and to

1056
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:00,000
talk to Eddie Hearn and to hopefully
for you know, in their perspective,

1057
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:04,280
is to meet with with Turkey and
to try to make a deal and try

1058
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,239
to sell the fight. And obviously
one of the ways you do that,

1059
01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:10,920
more so than just tweeting about it
or making a phone call about it or

1060
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,400
sending some of you an email or
a text message, is you show up,

1061
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,400
you know, right there, get
all the media and the fans.

1062
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,639
They're excited about it, you know, have a face off, stare each

1063
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:21,840
other in the eye, start talking
some shit respectfully. So I'm you know,

1064
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:26,119
they were very respectful each other.
Pack has always been a respectful guy

1065
01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:28,719
to his opponents, and Connor strikes
me as the kind of guy that's not

1066
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,000
going to start up with his opponent
unless the other guy starts up with him.

1067
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,159
And so yeah, there are one
hundred percent serious. If both sides

1068
01:04:36,639 --> 01:04:41,039
get If Turkey gives the blessing and
decides to open the wallet to do the

1069
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:44,079
fight, this fight will happen next
and probably within the next few months.

1070
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:46,559
I would imagine it would happen sometime, you know, this summer, and

1071
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:48,840
we'll see this fight. I mean, I don't know if it's a fight

1072
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:53,400
that the world's clamoring for. I
was gonna say, because Pakil has been

1073
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,480
out of the ring for three years. Practically he's forty five years old.

1074
01:04:56,519 --> 01:04:59,079
Here we go again, like with
Mike Tyson at the beginning of this conversation,

1075
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:01,800
He's not he's not fifty eight.
I understand that. But but the

1076
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,320
thing about the thing about Manny is
this a couple of things. Number One,

1077
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,679
still an amazing condition. I've seen
videos, have been working out recently,

1078
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,480
He's had a couple, he's had
one exhibition, he's got another one

1079
01:05:11,559 --> 01:05:14,880
coming up. But he's always stayed
in tremendous condition. And the other thing

1080
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,920
people should remember is this. Don't
get me wrong, I'm not saying like

1081
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,519
I love the fact that Pakia might
come out of retirement to do this,

1082
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:24,880
but he's never wavered from the prospect
of coming out of retirement. Number one.

1083
01:05:25,239 --> 01:05:28,760
Number two, when he went into
retirement post the Yugos loss, Ay,

1084
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:30,199
it wasn't like he got beat up
in that fight. You know,

1085
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,199
he lost the decision, but he
didn't take punishment or anything like that.

1086
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:40,119
And secondly, everybody knows that that
retirement in quote marks was really more not

1087
01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:44,079
about him not having a love still
to do boxing and still being at least

1088
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:45,840
good enough to compete at the highest
level even if he didn't win the Yugas

1089
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,360
fight. That was because he was
about to launch his presidential campaign in the

1090
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,559
Philippines and he wasn't gonna be able
to run for president and also consider himself

1091
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:56,760
to be an active boxer. So
when he lost the election and then his

1092
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,800
Senate term expired because he didn't run
for reelection because he was running for the

1093
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,320
presidency. Here you have the guy
that the only thing he's known in his

1094
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,440
professional life is professional boxing, and
he still loves it. And if he

1095
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,480
can still find the right fight and
make money, he still might have another

1096
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:13,800
fight or too left in him.
And though this is the possibility of doing

1097
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,280
that, and it's a it is
a good name. It would definitely sell

1098
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,960
a lot of pay per view in
the United Kingdom. They would probably get

1099
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:25,360
a tremendous amount of money to do
this fight from the from the saudis my

1100
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:29,719
understanding from people I've talked to,
and my own estimations is it probably takes

1101
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,960
around thirty million dollars to get this
fight made in that ballpark, and we'll

1102
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,840
see what happens. But they like
to get it done this weekend, you

1103
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:40,079
know, as Pachio said in the
interview he did with his own I want

1104
01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:42,519
to get this done before we go
home, which is probably like some of

1105
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:45,199
us sun there one day, get
me my fifteen twenty twenty five million.

1106
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:50,480
Let's do it before I go home. You gotta get us before we just

1107
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:53,559
said that. Can't you get us
one of those kind of deals with the

1108
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:57,000
Saudis. Come on, they're right, all right, I know you're excited.

1109
01:06:57,039 --> 01:07:00,760
They have officially laid out the card
for MACE Tokyo Dome in Japan,

1110
01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:08,800
the Monster Naoya in a way fighting
luis near the undisputed junior featherweight champ and

1111
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,639
the WBC mandatory, and the rest
of the card has been laid out too

1112
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,239
as well. While we're going over
the news real quick on that for May

1113
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,199
sixth, Well, so they had
the press conference in Tokyo to make this

1114
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,440
fight official. I mean, there
was never a doubt that was happening.

1115
01:07:20,519 --> 01:07:24,239
The fight was signed, you know, quite a while ago, and then

1116
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,559
there was the one thing that they
just had the last hurdle, if you

1117
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:30,800
will. But it was pretty much
preordained that the Japanese Boxing Commission was going

1118
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,320
to lift the indefinite suspension on Neari
and he would be licensed and they'd be

1119
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,679
able to do the fight that happened
last week, and so they had a

1120
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:41,519
press conference earlier this week to announce
this fight officially. But so that's not

1121
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:44,360
really so much news, although that's
a big time fight and it's gonna you

1122
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:45,960
know, probably you know, sell
that place out fifty thousand or so.

1123
01:07:46,679 --> 01:07:49,039
I have to give a tip of
the hat to the people at Top Rank.

1124
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,599
Phenomenal job with the artwork. What
they did was they made the poster

1125
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:58,239
look very reminiscent of the Tyson Douglas
poster with the same colors and it was

1126
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,039
really sharp. So props to their
art apartment and the folks that do that.

1127
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,519
But the undercar for this fight is
absolutely loaded. And you know,

1128
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,599
we've talked about this many times on
this show, TJ about what a degenerate

1129
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:10,159
and a dork and how much I
love and just can't get enough of these

1130
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:14,280
world titled cards from Japan, even
if they're coming out the arts, there's

1131
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,079
gonna be a Japanese fight card for
Rayfield, is what this comes down to.

1132
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,520
Well, I'm a little bit I'm
gonna have a little bit of a

1133
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:23,560
problem because I'm thinking to myself,
I'm gonna go to the Canelo fight on

1134
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,960
May fourth, means I'm gonna get
home on May fifth. And if I

1135
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:30,640
always take the same flight from Vegas, as there's one NonStop a day on

1136
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,359
my airline from Vegas to Washington,
which won't get me in my house and

1137
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:38,720
probably until about if we're on time, I walk in the door around maybe

1138
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:43,680
maybe ten thirty eleven o'clock at night, and the fights start at four in

1139
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,439
the morning, so and I'm gonna
be all wired from being awake and being

1140
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,479
on time. Different. So do
I stay up and watch it and be

1141
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,159
all fucked up the next day,
or do I get hours of sleep and

1142
01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:54,720
then wake up to see the fight. So it's gonna be interesting. But

1143
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,479
they put on the three other world
title fights. You got Takuma in a

1144
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:02,119
way, who was the younger brother
of Noya, who just fought recently in

1145
01:09:02,199 --> 01:09:06,279
a title defense against was at a
German on Kassas and he retained the title.

1146
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,720
He's going to take on his mandatory
challenger, a show Ishida. That's

1147
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,279
gonna be one of the title fights
on there. In a WBA Bantam White

1148
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:16,399
title. You've got the WBO Banta
White champion, Jason Maloney, who you

1149
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:20,680
know, he won his title in
the United States. He defended the title

1150
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,159
in Canada. Now he's going to
defend the title again in Japan. He's

1151
01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:29,479
fighting a fighter named Yoshiki Takei who
is a former kickboxing champion and k one

1152
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,640
so I guess he's a pretty well
known athlete in Japan. And so Maloney

1153
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:38,199
was originally being planned to be on
the in Australia on the undercart of when

1154
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:42,479
George Cambosa's fights against Vasily Lomachenko,
but that's the following week. They got

1155
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,039
the opportunity to put him on this
card in Japan, so they are going

1156
01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:46,840
to go to Japan instead of fighting
at home. But it's a big opportunity

1157
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,479
to be in front of that kind
of crowd on the same card with the

1158
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,840
brother. Maybe it leads to a
unification fight and then for good measure,

1159
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:59,560
he got the WBA Flyway title on
the line segu Akui who just won the

1160
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,600
title against Artem de Lakian on another
one of these Japanese big time world title

1161
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,159
cards that we watch at four o'clock
in the morning, and he's taken on

1162
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:12,680
another Japanese fighter named taku Kuwahara.
So I love these Japanese cards, and

1163
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,119
this should be a real This is
a really by this by the standards that

1164
01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:18,079
they've set, this is a freaking
loaded card because, by the way,

1165
01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:20,720
I do pay attention to you,
I pay attention to you. That's four

1166
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,880
world title fights. Yeah, and
I said that, I know you said

1167
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:29,000
that. That's four world title fights
on the same card, So it's well

1168
01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:31,079
worth it to be up early in
the morning. Yeah, you've got a

1169
01:10:31,119 --> 01:10:34,319
big time main event. He got
three other other fights on the show that

1170
01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:38,960
are interesting for different reasons. All
right, all of that coming May sixth

1171
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:44,119
in Tokyo, which will be a
Monday right Monday morning in the US,

1172
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:48,159
Monday night in that case in Japan. So some great news. You already

1173
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:51,159
gave us a little taste of nostalgia. A couple of ways. We mentioned

1174
01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:57,840
Mike Tyson's pro debut, as you
mentioned thirty nine years ago, and twelve

1175
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,520
years before Jake Paul was born Mark
six, nineteen eighty five, and Tyson

1176
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,119
fought a barrage of fights in a
year and a half before finally knocking out

1177
01:11:05,159 --> 01:11:10,359
Trevor Berbick and becoming WBC Heavyweight Champ. November of the next year, you

1178
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:15,399
mentioned Canello's victory over Matthew I want
to tell you a little bit about that

1179
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,960
debut from Tyson. Yeah, did
you last long? Right? No,

1180
01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:21,680
it didn't last long. It was
a quick knockout. But because I grew

1181
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:25,479
up in the in the in the
Capitol region in New York State, the

1182
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:29,840
Albany area, that's where Tyson turned
pro. That's where Tyson had all those

1183
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,520
early fights in Albany, Schenectady,
Troy Glenn's falls, so he became a

1184
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:38,039
local celebrity and helped us with the
geography. I'm not ultra familiar. Where

1185
01:11:38,119 --> 01:11:41,279
is the cat Skills where he was
staying and living with test Tomato in that

1186
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,199
area. If you're in New York
City and you drive maybe an hour and

1187
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:47,920
a half to two hours north,
you'll find yourself in the catskillar region,

1188
01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:50,840
not even maybe not even that far. If you keep driving another hour,

1189
01:11:51,039 --> 01:11:54,600
hour and a half, you'll find
yourself in the alban area where I grew

1190
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,920
up, and so a lot of
his fights were in and around that place.

1191
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,560
So if you were driving from Catskill
to Albany to go from where Couss

1192
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,960
lived where Mike was gonna fight,
you're talking about, you know, maybe

1193
01:12:03,079 --> 01:12:06,000
ninety minutes stareabouts in the car,
right up the highway, easy trip.

1194
01:12:08,079 --> 01:12:11,079
And so I went and I looked
this up because I remembered having a brief

1195
01:12:11,159 --> 01:12:15,479
conversation with Tyson about his pro debut
back before he fought Kevin McBride in two

1196
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,880
thousand and five, which was his
last fight before retirement. Depending on what

1197
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,800
happens if they approved this Roy Jones
of the fight between not the Roy Jones

1198
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:26,840
fight, but Tyson against Jake Paul. I had the occasion because he was

1199
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,560
training in Washington, which is where
that McBride fight took place. So I

1200
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,119
had multiple lengthy injuries with Tyson in
the lead up to that fight in one

1201
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:35,600
of them, and I was doing
this piece for ESPN because that fight coincided

1202
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:40,760
in two thousand and five with Tyson's
twentieth year as a professional boxer, So

1203
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,000
we figured that this would kind of
be a cool idea. We did twenty

1204
01:12:44,119 --> 01:12:47,039
topics for twenty years with Tyson,
all kinds of random shit, like different

1205
01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:50,720
fights, different opinions, you know, personal life probably you know professional life.

1206
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:55,079
So one of the things I asked
him about was his pro debut.

1207
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,119
You know, I'd never really heard
him talk about it. I've seen some

1208
01:12:58,199 --> 01:13:00,399
pictures and you know what the pos
looked like in that sort of stuff.

1209
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,399
But you know, it took place
in Albany, just north of Katskill where

1210
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,199
he grew up. He had a
first round knockout, like you said,

1211
01:13:06,279 --> 01:13:10,479
March sixth eighty five, he fought
a fighter named Hector Mercedes, obviously a

1212
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:14,000
footnote in history, and I looked
up the quote from that interview. He

1213
01:13:14,039 --> 01:13:16,000
said, I remember it. I
fought Hector Mercedes. He was a little

1214
01:13:16,399 --> 01:13:20,399
small Spanish man, pudgy guy,
and it was real quick. Those were

1215
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:27,239
the best days. You could tell
that Tyson just had such a great set

1216
01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:30,640
of memories from those early fights because
he was fighting every week and making his

1217
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,399
first money, as you know,
as a young man, and trying to

1218
01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:34,960
make his way into sport. You
know, with Cuss all the time,

1219
01:13:35,399 --> 01:13:39,800
with his team, and you know, if he could have bottled the time,

1220
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,239
he would have stayed there, you
know, for a long time.

1221
01:13:42,319 --> 01:13:45,359
But that was that was his pro
tibut, like you said, a long

1222
01:13:45,399 --> 01:13:49,439
time ago, thirty nine years ago, and what a meteoric rise in and

1223
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,520
around that area. I still remember
watching and you did too, those fights,

1224
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,479
several of them on wide World of
Sports that were either in I don't

1225
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:03,239
remember Albany as much as like Glen's
Falls where he was fighting like Quick Tillus

1226
01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:08,159
and Marvus Fraser and some of the
others. So Man, the time to

1227
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:13,039
go back to that time, Pats
like to drive this from to Glenn's Falls,

1228
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:17,840
Troy, Albany, Schenectady. Those
are all within like thirty thirty five

1229
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,880
minutes of each other, all in
the same capital region. And then the

1230
01:14:23,039 --> 01:14:26,600
world began to know who this guy
was the next year, in the year

1231
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,680
after that, and it still goes
on now in the present. In twenty

1232
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,439
twenty four with Tyson, you also
made mentioned Canelo's first world title, the

1233
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:40,239
win over Matthew Hatton, came March
five of twenty eleven. That was earlier

1234
01:14:40,279 --> 01:14:45,039
this week on Tuesday in the Nostalgia
and what a career he's had, and

1235
01:14:45,159 --> 01:14:55,520
also Julio Caesar Chavez and miguel Anhill
Gonzalez. We're also nostalgic for this week

1236
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,119
as we do the podcast on Thursday, we got another Mexican hero that has

1237
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:03,439
milestone as well. Tell me more, Tell me more about March seventh,

1238
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:08,000
nineteen ninety eight in the Nostalgia Dan
Rayfield, Do you want to hear about

1239
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,079
Hadden first? You want to hear
at the shots first? Either way?

1240
01:15:10,199 --> 01:15:13,680
Go ahead, Well, I mean
Hadden. Hadden was Ricky's brother, and

1241
01:15:14,039 --> 01:15:15,920
it was a vacant title, and
Canelo was only twenty years old. And

1242
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:20,000
here we are now he's what thirty
thirty three years old and still at the

1243
01:15:20,039 --> 01:15:24,079
top of his game in some respects, and you know, won titles in

1244
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,760
a multiple of weight classes from junior
middleweight all the way up to light heavyweight,

1245
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,600
become the biggest star in the sport
at one time, you know,

1246
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,079
for a period of time, the
pound for pound number one still you know,

1247
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:35,079
by all accounts, you know in
that top few pound for pound for

1248
01:15:35,159 --> 01:15:39,479
sure. And here we are on
a day in which he's making this big

1249
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,520
fight with Timi Mongia that it is
just a few days after he won his

1250
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,000
very first world title. When you
think about all the world championship fights that

1251
01:15:45,039 --> 01:15:47,159
this man has been in since that
time, But at that time, nobody

1252
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:48,960
knew what he was going to accomplish. I mean, he was the favorite

1253
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,239
to beat Hadden, of course,
but I think if you put truth serumon

1254
01:15:53,279 --> 01:15:56,199
people on March fifth, twenty eleven, when he got in the ring,

1255
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,119
they say, yeah, you know, Canelo is going to defeat Matthew Hatton

1256
01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:02,039
and he's gonna win this WBC one
hundred and fifty four pound title. But

1257
01:16:02,279 --> 01:16:05,640
is he going to become like arguably
the greatest Mexican fighter of all time,

1258
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:10,159
lock Hall of Famer, you know, win titles in all those weight classes,

1259
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:13,840
be involved in some absolutely mega fights, some of the biggest fights we've

1260
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,399
seen. Fight Floyd Mayweather fight Triple
G twice or three times, really fight

1261
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,680
you know, any any host SLUA
fighters that are top guys. The answer

1262
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:23,520
would have been out. But against
Matthew hadn't you know, he won pretty

1263
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:27,000
much every single round. It was
a shutout. The only reason it wasn't

1264
01:16:27,039 --> 01:16:29,359
one twenty to one await in all
the cards because at one point in the

1265
01:16:29,399 --> 01:16:31,960
fight, Canelo had a point deducted
for hitting on the break. I believe

1266
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,800
it was and you know, he
cruised to that win. And who would

1267
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:40,600
have known that thirteen years later it'd
still be Ryan high and doing his business.

1268
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,680
I mean back then he was a
prospect still. I mean he had

1269
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,760
never really fought. He'd fought some
OK guys. He had fought love More

1270
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,279
and dou who had been a champion. At one forty, he had scored

1271
01:16:48,319 --> 01:16:54,560
as spectacular one punch knockout against Carlos
Valdimir who had been the welterweight champion.

1272
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,319
I was at that fight, and
let me tell you, that was like

1273
01:16:56,359 --> 01:17:00,079
a shotgun going off when he hit
him and he dropped him. But he

1274
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:01,279
won the title against had and that
was off to the racis. And as

1275
01:17:01,319 --> 01:17:06,000
far as the other card you mentioned, uh, Chavez against Miguel Angel Gonzalez,

1276
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,640
that was a good That was a
really that was one of don King

1277
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,279
special, like a pay per view
that was carried by a showtime pay per

1278
01:17:12,359 --> 01:17:16,119
view. They did it in the
bull ring in Mexico City, and you

1279
01:17:16,199 --> 01:17:20,720
know it was they were Gonzales and
Chavez were like rivals. There's been a

1280
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,920
lot of talk about them fighting each
other for a long time. Check out

1281
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,079
these records. I looked this up
because I knew were going to talk about

1282
01:17:26,079 --> 01:17:30,239
this going into that fight. Chavez
is the reigning WBC Junior welterweight champion going

1283
01:17:30,279 --> 01:17:32,600
into the fight, There's a fight
that, like I said, been highly

1284
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:36,800
anticipated by the Mexican fans for a
long time. Miguel Angel Gonzalez at that

1285
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:41,560
time was forty two wins and one
loss, and the only loss that he

1286
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:47,119
had ever suffered as going into that
fight was when he lost by he had

1287
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:49,479
lost to I think it was Oscar
de la Hoya was the one loss he

1288
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,119
had going into that fight. That
was, you know, certainly not a

1289
01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:55,880
bad kind of loss. That was
you know, de la Hoya at is

1290
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,399
you know, really almost at his
maybe one of the best performances of Oscar's

1291
01:17:59,399 --> 01:18:02,199
career, and that was a decision, and so you know he then he

1292
01:18:02,279 --> 01:18:05,800
then lost you know, later on
after that, but it was, you

1293
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,319
know, this was considered like a
very significant fight, is the point.

1294
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,720
So when he fought chob Is,
you know, I don't know if he

1295
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,199
was like considered that he could maybe
if he was considered like a big time

1296
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,920
chance to win, but he's like
he's like two fights removed from a close

1297
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:25,840
loss or a competitive but a wide
but competitive loss anyway to Oscar who jabbed

1298
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,600
him all ay along. But nonetheless
he's forty two and one going into that

1299
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,560
fight. Julio Caesar chov Is going
into that fight, ninety nine two and

1300
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,840
one. He's looking for number one
hundred going into that fight, and that

1301
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,760
was part of how they promoted it. And it was a draw, and

1302
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,119
it was a close fight, and
it was a good fight. And the

1303
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:45,079
fight that I actually loved more than
the main event is the co feature,

1304
01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:47,800
because that featured one of my all
time favorite fighters, Ricardo Finito Lopez,

1305
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,039
who is now in the Hall of
Fame as he should be. He was

1306
01:18:50,119 --> 01:18:53,800
forty seven and zero going into that
fight. He had been the long ragning

1307
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:59,960
WBC champion at strawweight. He had
Rossendo Alvarez from Nicaragua who was the WBA,

1308
01:19:00,279 --> 01:19:02,720
and going to that fight he was
twenty four to oh and that was

1309
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,760
the most vulnerable that Lopez ever won. Now, Ricardo Lopez is literally one

1310
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:11,680
of the most perfect fighters you could
find, balance, speed, defense,

1311
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,960
offense. You know, can go
backwards, go forwards, you know,

1312
01:19:15,159 --> 01:19:17,600
chin power, I mean, especially
for a guy that small, could knock

1313
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,880
your block off with one shot.
I mean, really one of the great

1314
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,800
terrible things in boxing is that he
never got the chance to fight some of

1315
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,680
the the other top top guys,
you know, maybe up to the flyweight

1316
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,439
division. But they ended up in
a technical draw because of an accidental headbut

1317
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:39,159
situation, and it turned out to
be a technical draw after the seventh round.

1318
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:41,840
Now they did have a rematch and
that was the fight. Whereas Alvarez

1319
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,079
didn't make the weight and got stripped
to the title, but Lopez took the

1320
01:19:45,119 --> 01:19:46,560
fight even though he was outweight,
and straweight's like a big deal. He

1321
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,920
was like over three pounds. That
was like a big difference at that time,

1322
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:53,960
and he was able to win the
vacant title and he ended up winning

1323
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,840
the fight and it was another great
battle. But this is like if you

1324
01:19:57,039 --> 01:19:59,560
like the little fighters, and we
spent a lot of time talking about,

1325
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,640
like, you know, the smaller
weight classes, whether it's the flyweights or

1326
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,680
the junior bandon weights or you know
some of the great young you know,

1327
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:09,439
smaller guys that are around today.
If you like those types of fights,

1328
01:20:10,279 --> 01:20:13,039
you need to go watch Ricardo Lopez, you know, on your trust the

1329
01:20:13,119 --> 01:20:18,039
YouTube, because three of those guys
equals July Jiang's wait practically for him being

1330
01:20:18,079 --> 01:20:21,600
in the ring in Saudi Arabia just
pretty much yeah, exactly. But this

1331
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,479
was this was a really good you
know, it was a pay per view

1332
01:20:26,319 --> 01:20:29,680
with you know, two top notch
fights too, Hall of famers and Lopez

1333
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,560
and Chabaz fighting real guys and competitive
matchups. And I just love that shit.

1334
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,680
And that was we do. Like
we said, that's the anniversary back

1335
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:39,720
in ninety eight, I got one
more piece of nostalgia. You can be

1336
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:43,159
the first as we released the podcast
over nine into Friday to wish me happy

1337
01:20:43,239 --> 01:20:48,119
birthday. You want to wish happy
birthday. Happy March eighth, nineteen seventy

1338
01:20:48,279 --> 01:20:54,880
I joined the world fifty four years
ago, March eighth, nineteen seventy one.

1339
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,439
How many pay per views did it? I don't know. Not.

1340
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:03,239
My birth March nineteen seventy one.
My first birthday is Ali Fraser the fight

1341
01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:09,640
of the century on my first birthday. How about that? So we've talked

1342
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,560
at length about Ali the Ali Fraser. We brought it up numerous different times.

1343
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,880
But that's the anniversary of that fight
in nineteen seventy one where Joe Fraser

1344
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:23,039
handed Muhammad Ali his first loss,
which means coustry your birthday is the anniversary

1345
01:21:23,039 --> 01:21:27,560
of the fight between Canello and Billy
Joe Saunders. How about that from March

1346
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,600
eighth as well, and now knockout
Chaos coming in from Saudi Arabia in twenty

1347
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:36,039
twenty four. You never know,
but all good stuff, all good stuff

1348
01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:39,279
here on that man, It's been
a busy show, lots of stuff at

1349
01:21:39,319 --> 01:21:45,079
the beginning on Jake Paul and Mike
Tyson the previews of the Saudi fight card.

1350
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,960
You've heard from Callum Walsh, You've
heard from our buddy Mark Burcardi from

1351
01:21:49,039 --> 01:21:51,920
PPV dot com. We've given you
news, We've given you have We given

1352
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:55,960
you about all that we can give
here for the preview podcast. I think

1353
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:00,560
we have pretty much again as you're
hearing this, Friday afternoon is when the

1354
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,920
fight card is in Saudi Arabia.
I told you I got to keep all

1355
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:08,479
on my day straight because we're not
doing the US Boxing show tomorrow. We

1356
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:12,479
already get it, as I keep
mentioning to preview this, So Friday afternoon,

1357
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,119
whatever happens, you and I will
come back off the weekend and recap

1358
01:22:16,319 --> 01:22:20,640
everything that goes down, whether Joshua
gets the winn or gets upset, what

1359
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:24,279
happens with those other title fights.
We're gonna recap all of this coming off

1360
01:22:24,319 --> 01:22:27,079
the weekend. Dan, right,
Phiel, look forward to it here with

1361
01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:30,359
this rare it's a rare big time
Friday afternoon pay per view in the United

1362
01:22:30,359 --> 01:22:32,800
States. So we'll see what happens
with all of that. We will.

1363
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,000
I'll be watching all day all with
respect to all that. Check him out

1364
01:22:36,039 --> 01:22:40,119
on his sub stack with the recaps
recaps as well on Big Fight Weekend dot

1365
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:43,199
com. My friend, have a
good weekend, Let's see what happens with

1366
01:22:43,279 --> 01:22:45,199
the fights, and we will talk
to you on the recap podcast off the

1367
01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:48,640
weekend. No matter what happens,
Dan Rayfield, I suspect we're gonna have

1368
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,359
a lot to talk about. Well. I believe we will too. Keep

1369
01:22:51,399 --> 01:22:55,720
it locked into for the latest with
the news on the Canelo official announcement and

1370
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,319
much more with Dan. For now, we are good if you have been

1371
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:00,960
listening to the Big Fight Weekend preview
podcast