Okay, let's talk about some Marvel stuff. We got a couple just sort
of spit spitfire, random fire, I don't know whatever, what would it
be? God, I used to I didn't have a segment trushall. I
used to have to say, right, I had the box office breakdown and
then I had what else did I have? Rapid fire? Was at it?
Yeah? The rapid fire. So last week there was a rumor coming
out that Kang now Marvel is considering our talking with John David Washington some of
a couple of minds here where one? Okay, three? Yeah, I
guess three, son of a couple one. I said this in the Marvel
Predictions. So go check out Marvel Alliance. I was on their last two
weeks on their episode two hundred. Great time with those guys. Always have
a fun time just catching up when them talking Marvel because we're all friends.
But we got good different opinions and we stand very much on different sides,
which is good, you know. And I love those guys over there.
So and then again, congrats to two hundred because I was I won't say
a small part, but I was like the first to get it going with
Chris. But now they've taken it and you know, done great things with
it. So and sorry, I need some war there. So on that
episode on the Predictions one, I said that we will not hear about a
replacement for Kang in twenty twenty four. So I don't think I said the
givers and I'm standing by it. I still think you could get like,
let's say it is John Day Washington, John David and Dawn John David Washington
cast in Avengers five, right where it just secret Wars, right, unknown
role that doesn't count to me. They're not going to physically or put an
out there that, Okay, he's playing Kang this year. I think they
want to get some time in between, and if they do get out somebody,
it'll be in an unknown role as the villain or whatever it may be.
Right, So that's one part of me. Second part is John Day
Washing is great. I feel like he's still looking for I won't say his
footing, but he's had a very interesting career where he blows up because of
oh gosh, what is the movie? Spike leewent an oscar for clans Man
Black Clansmen. Right, it seems like, okay, he's gonna almost be
more like his dad do the earlier stuff like some more Oscar Indie sort of
route, and now it's like, okay, well he did the Creator and
there was set and he did Tenant, which tennants Nolan, so really can't
pass it up. But like, I feel like he's been in a lot
of big stuff, but he's not exactly blown up yet, right, He's
not to that that top echelon movie where I think people are gonna go out
to the'll see a movie. This could help him. And I think he's
a great actor. I think he's I think he's good. I don't know.
I don't know what his take would be, and I would be curious
to see it. I do think Majors when he had the role, was
like a higher quality actor than him from what we've seen so far, So
I do think it would be good. But it wasn't like a right away
like oh my god, yes, but tons of people have been suggesting it
right and maybe maybe it's just one of those that's like a fan cast that
for me, it's there's certain fancasts, like when Rosie Dawson was being fancast
Aska, I was on board for that, so I was like, oh,
absolutely, that sounds great. Where when John Krazinski is getting at for
Reid, I was like, no, I don't like this, and I'm
just I don't see it the same other people do, right, So maybe
that's it for me where it's just like the fancast has happened so much and
it hasn't been like an automatic Oh my god, this would be amazing for
me to be like, yeah, okay, that works. He's a good
actor, and maybe I'd be completely wrong. Maybe when he does the role,
he knocks a home run. Right. I think it is the other
thing that it's not so much a fan cast. It's just that that other
idea got put in my head. And yes, superminded Mike says, right
there, hashtag team Coleman Domingo. That's really tough because for me, just
from what I've seen based on Majors and Washington so far, I think Washington
could at best match him. I don't think he could be better than him,
and I think it would almost be a similar version. I think with
Domingo he could one like even do a better King van Majors did, and
I think with him as King it would be a very different take in a
whole different vibe where Johnny Washington just doesn't have that yet. He's good,
but he just doesn't have that game changing vibe. Coleman would fucking just like
he would kill it and I would love like. I just think that's something
that he would bring so much gravitass to that role and you would pay attention
to him anytime he's on screen. I feel like you'd be chewing the sceni
or in a good way. So and I think you need that with a
king, especially now. So that's the thing where I think this could be
just that they're early on or it's bullshit rumors, right, but it could
just be that's early on. They're putting out feelers. Coleman Domingo, I'm
kind of worried about because he's in that Michael Jackson movie and then he's directing
a movie where he's starring as that gingkle. I feel like, unless Avengers
getting delayed quite a while, his Bengal card is kind of filled out for
a bit. You're especially directing movie be Different. He was starring as that
gang cole but he's gonna be directing that. That's a lot of work.
So I've kind of given up on that when at some gonna go that route.
So if it's Washington, fine, If it's not, hopefully just another
great actor. Ah shit, fucking with them Altiverse? My god, I
told you not to, didn't I? But you fucked around and found out,
didn't you miss the stock? That's my best. As I've said before,
I need to watch You for You and watch Ali because with me got
Kirkland did the four review. I had it down pat pretty good. I've
lost it because I haven't seen You for You in about two years, but
uh yeah, we'll see And then two things on the Disney plus side.
Uh One, there's a rumor going around that Iron Fist is uh you've been
working. I've been trying. I've been trying because now it was the idea
of him coming back or being in one of the franchises we talked about.
But hey, when your four season three gets here, I'll be ready.
I can't wait for those reviews. So there's rumor going around that Iron Fist
is coming back, but not what you think. Iron Fist is rumored to
be getting and it's gonna this is gonna go into the second topic too,
but it's rumored to be getting a Disney plus show, but it would be
a female iron fist. Gee, I wonder who got could be. I
think it's just gonna I said, I think Marvel Alliance. We were on
the same wavelength. I've been saying this for a while. It's not gonna
be Danny Ran, It's gonna be Clean Wing. And Jessica Henwick has gone
bigger since then. She was in Knives Out, she was in Matrix,
and she's in that uh that road trip when we coming up WHI. I
don't know it's gonna blow up, but I'm excited. It's Jennifer Garner.
I think you're Julie Gardner. Yeah, that's the one. Her star is
rising. Where I was saying that me and my wife are talking, just
said, like, no one, that's not really happened with anyone from Netflix,
right, Like I'm not saying they haven't been other things. Bertha was
already a star, so he doesn't count. But Mike Colter, sure,
he's in the play Mood Jar Butler and Charlie Cox was in a Netflix show.
But none of them like really got bigger. Where Jessica Henwick to me,
did she started to work with these like big directors, right, So
for me, that's the easy play they made Marvel, Netflix, Cannon.
It's an easy route to go. And also the street level stuff, which
we're gonna talk about, that's the also the route to go. I think
street level with the occasional bigger show, like we've heard rumors about a young
Avengers. Fine, that's okay, take the risk every once in a while,
but money wise, exposure wise, and I just think what they can
do. I think Marvel and Netflix had that right as far as the characters
that were picking were the more street level, and maybe that's what Disney Plus
should do now too. I think we've kind of capped if we got a
couple other shows. I'm not saying you can't do big ones, but maybe
we've seen what the limit is right And we're gonna talk about echoes budget in
a second. And you know, for me, it sucks because if you
go back to geek first. And I was telling them all this because I
feel like I don't talk about them as much because I feel like it's with
Moon Night and Iron Fist, because I love those both. I don't know
if there are my top Moon Night's and my top ten characters. I don't
think Iron Fist is top ten Marvel maybe and Danny Ran specifically, but I
feel like I talk about them less on the cast when interpretation comes out and
it's just kind of mid and then I have to move on because we've where
it's always like, oh, fucking Moon and now Ran to Ran or fucking
Danny Ran after Netflix. It just sucks that, Like, I wish they
would just recast Danny Wan and we could get Iron Fist back. I love
Iron Fist, and he's gone that terrible situation where bad movie, bad TV
show, bad kombook storyline and he gets put in character jail for a while.
Right, It's like, I don't know when we're gonna see Danny Rand,
and I love Danny Ran. I think there was bright spots Iron Fists
and Defenders, but we didn't get the Danny that I knew in love.
So that's such a bummer. I'm fine with this. I'm not gonna be
red. I thumb. Now, Oh my god, there's a woman I
worst didn't know. It's like, cool, let's get Iron Fist. Hopefully
one day we will see Danny Rand, but I worre it's gonna be like
the way we got scopped or we got Hank Pam where it's like, oh,
I'm in my retired years now, you know, And who knows Cuz
I've said this before. I'm curious with the first Marvel Netflix recast is gonna
be right, And people might be like, oh, well Vanessa, No
no, no, don't count Vanessa because Vanessa that was before, or everything
was cannon right, everything's supposedly cannon now. So I'm curious to see Luke
Cage, Iron Fist, maybe even one of the villains. Who's gonna get
that official recast or they not. And that's where we won't learn it iron
Fists, because if they're bringing a female version, you don't got to talk
about Danny Ran. You don't gotta you don't got a recast, you don't
gotta stays alive, dead, missing, whatever, it doesn't matter. It's
a different Iron Fists. I'm sure they had mentioned him. I hope they
don't kill him, but you can kind of just go whatever route you want,
right Supermke says would be awesome if they could full moonight in Netflix stuff,
but feels like they went too big for him, too fast for that.
Now. I agree with you. That's I have many complaints with Moonnight,
and I always say this too. Where Moonnight that is definitely a case
where there's stuff like secret invasion and you know am in Kwanmania Echo even eternals
to extent where there's stuff in there writing and story wise where I go,
this is not good. This is why it's so low on my MCU.
Moonnight definitely has that. I think it has portions and you go back to
our reviews, it has portions where it's rushed, poorly written, We're lacking
some character stuff, not the performance and the personalities, which is like even
some more development, and then I can fully emit my bias where and then
the other part of it is not that it's like, oh, you have
to do what I want. I've course won more the street level Graham Moon
Night. It's just okay, you're not doing that's fine. What's the counter?
What are you doing? And how good is it? And then to
me when you do the different version and it's just kind of fine. That's
where I fully emit my disappointment comes in there, and I do think that
they got that. That's just like MCU Phase four, they were obsessed with
fucking universe. Like world ending threats after endgame. I don't get it.
I don't know why that happened. Why is there big alligator in Egypt?
But I digress. Right, They they, to me, just should have
went with the character suffering from the personality disorder in the streets. Keep and
you know why as well? Keep it simpler because storyline wise, I don't
think they really had it. So I agree. Let's see Franks's I mean
Sung, she is a street level character too. Just give him a show
where Isy it's too late. It's like Moonlight. Moonight to me is the
or Sung. She's the difference, because at least to me, that's universally
loved Moonnight. I don't know. I feel like i'd I have to start
asking more like general audience people how they feel her if they watch Moonnight,
because I feel like in my camp it's like a mix. I feel like
people really like it, like I know Chris, I think I know Brent,
Like do I feel like Chris liked it a lot more than me?
But then there's a lot of other people that are more on my side.
Were man, what a do like start really good? But what a disappointment?
Like there's this wrong with it this wrong with that, so Moonight,
I don't have a gauge of where the ga is Sung She I got to
gauge there. I think Sung She is overrated. I don't think it's one
of the best MSU projects. I think people are way too high on it,
and for people that so many people and not the Marvel fans, which
people in general that are if you'l Marvel like people. When I go on
the locker stream right with with like, they'll talk about Sungshi and when I
bring up the issues it has, and I'm like, well, that's just
like every other Marvel film, so like, why do you shoot on this
one so much? But this was like I never get it. But what
I can say is I'm in the minority. I can say everyone fucking loves
Sung Shehi. You can't. And I also went too big like Moonnight,
but you can't do a TV show now like it. It has that audience.
So we'll see. And then what came out today is I think it's
just still like a rumor, but it's a higher tier now. I do
have to say, as I take a drink of water here, I don't
know the exact sourcing, but I saw enough people with my peers us talking
about that it's a good scuttle, but that higher tier sourcing. Right,
So there is a report that Echo costs forty million to make good and bad
here good fucking Secret of Major costs five million more than Avengers. And that
was a complete waste of sink or just waste of money, sinkhole money laundry
scheme. Perhaps, I don't know. There shows a bit and outrageous for
what the return is supposed to get at The subscribers are not They're not worth
it that much, right the numbers they have, so that is good that
it's not this one fifty two hundred million everything like that. That is really
good. So at first when I saw I went, man, they're figuring
out that's what you gotta do. Then I kind of sat back in thought
and I googled what does Gamer Thrones cost per episode? Now there's like varying
reports, but I went with the one that I found came up with the
most and even like it's kind of closest to the average. Last season costs.
I think it was ninety millions, So that meant that each episode was
eleven point five million dollars. I did the math for Echo and for that
so Game of Thrones final season that's eight episodes, So eight episodes at eleven
point seventy five or eleven point five biggest show in the world. Show that
as multiple characters, that actors have razor stock, actors that are coming back
from multiple seasons, so you know, their contracts go up, and huge
set pieces CGI drainings of the yin Yang. It's a theatrical like theatrical experience
on television. Eleven point five Echo is eight million dollars per episode. Now,
I was talking about this in the GA and Brent brought up a fantastic
point. So this could be to me some of it of reshoots and new
COVID prodigals, prods, protocols. Absolutely right, COVID that's all. You
know, it's still a factor, and just the protocols, that's still a
thing, right, especially sometimes some countries get new up strains and you go,
okay, fuck is it starting again? So that's one. And reshoots
because they did do reshoots. We heard about that, right, Marvel always
does reshoots, so you could say that's the blooming of it. I still
think that is way too much for Echo. It'd be different if you were
to tell me secret invasions for a ma I go ban. They did a
great job go other than some of those shots of them in the fucking like
at the beginning, or it's the ancestories is the blue like forest garden whatever
you know, and all the echoes. Where's all that money going if it's
not on the protocol If it's because I agree with Brent that reshoots and protocols
would get there, I don't think protocols alone would get it to eight million.
That seems a lot, so maybe just the reshoots. But still it's
just like it's practical sets. There's really no superpowers. None of these people
are big stars. It's all okay, like that's still where I go.
I know that they might feel no, when we put out a movie has
to be something big. If you spend the forty million Disney plus and I
guess still on Hulu, I don't think it brought anybody in. Now,
there were stats a couple of weeks ago that showed like Hawkeye season is,
Daredevil's other shows went up because people want to go check those out after Echo
right or before? Does that make sense? But that could also just be
a subscriber base. Like I've said this before, Kirkland and Taylor have Disney
Plus. They've never watched Daredevil, so a lot of those could still be
Disney Plus people that, oh, I'm gonna watch this now. I don't
think Echo like drew a massive subscription base to it, and that's fine.
Neither The Secret Invasion neither did Miss Marvel, you know. So I'm not
saying, oh, it's Echo's fall. I'm just saying, when you're spending
forty million, I guarantees a strong word, but I'm gonna go with it.
I guarantee you the forty million, five episode show versus the forty million
small, lower budget Daredevil movie, you're gonna make way more profit on the
Daredevil movie. I guarantee you that can at least break even. And then
you're gonna put on Disney Plus merchandise. Like I think if you make it
like John Wicks style, you could get at least one hundred million. That's
great, that's like doubling it, and so that might cover advertising and then
twenty million on top. Like, I just don't think the forty million is
stuff that that does like, it's better. It's definitely better. No,
Disney Plus especially now, should be costing that. But I feel like even
now when they go and say, okay, if we say, hey,
we've lowered the budgets, we've got it down. When we're not in the
eight nine digits, forty million, okay, that's great. What did it
get us? Though? You know, and I do get it as well.
A we've talked about many times. This was in the era where Chappik
was there and Fily got the edict to hey, content, content, content,
get as much stuff out there as possible. Right, some people downplay
that. And sure you can say like, that's not excuse, bake the
content better. Fine, but that's what was the cars that were dealt.
So I'm interested in going forward, not iron Heart or God didn't they shoot
another Agatha because those could be outrageous too. For me, it's Daredevil,
and even Daredevil that's a bad one too, right because they they're reshooting a
lot of it, so that's gonna be a balloten budget. And again,
even though as much as I love daredev I go, is it worth it?
Is it worth a dualo show? And do the reshoots stuff like that?
Or maybe you should just made a banger movie, you know, so
we'll see. Look at this one here, just keep coming back to get
me. We'll see. But I still think those budgets are insane, especially
to me. That is only three and a half. Let's round up four
million lesson Game of Thrones. Like I said, Game of Thrones at all
these actors, massive set pieces, and also was the biggest show in the
world. When people talk about Game of Thrones and when it was like it's
getting this big budget, everyone kind of accepted it because it was like,
oh, yeah, it's getting that because it is the culture phenomenon right now.
A show getting three million lesson that like per episode. I know the
reporters there happened. Number is great. I still have not met any one
of my personal life that as met. We were talking about this last time
with my sister and boyfriend. Had no fucking clue what echo was because we're
talking about what are you watching? What are you watching? I was trying
to get them watch Jury Duty because we're watching the bear Watch Jury Duty.
Don't recommend that great show. So I don't know, we'll see. We'll
be right back with some trailers and then it's wrestling