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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and
welcome to the Planet of the Apes Retrospective.

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I am Bright Eyes trust Now,
and I'm joined by I'm the Monkey

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Man, Kirk com Patzer stinking pause, Taylor Field stinking pause. Your god,

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damn right. I'm very excited because
this is a retro that as like

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people if they're new or probably like
as the X Men, we met,

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like mention a bunch I'm trying to
think of, like obviously Tarantino was one,

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Like there's a couple of feel like
we mentioned a lot of but this

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is one that's been in the works, but we've never ever planned because obviously

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we were in the era. God, what did down come out? Was

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that twenty fourteen and you're twenty fifteen? Was don Someone look that up and

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see if that was pretty right?
No, that's rise of the first one?

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Oh right, I think Don is
maybe twenty fourteenth, so maybe it's

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just before. Yeah, so I
think, And which makes sense because I

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was going to see the twenty seventeen
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Apes, but that's when Gwen was
born. I literally had tickets to join

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U was was it you and Briggs
Taylor that did the whole It was the

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whole marathon. Yeah, the whole
shebang there, So I had tickets to

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that, and then Gwen was born. So I think that's why we didn't

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do a retro, because it was
just a time where it's like, Okay,

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I'm busy. You know, some
are lots of stuff going on.

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So it's one of those retros of
like, Okay, we kept putting it

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off and waiting for Oh, when's
this gonna happen? And luckily now this

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is as usual for Patrons, is
why you subscribe to Patron because you begin

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this likely at the earliest one.
We in We're in September, so October,

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November, December, January, February, March, April, May,

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eight months early, and it could
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the strike. So that's right now. The next movie, God, I

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think it's called con Someone get that
for me. Someone searched Planet Apes four.

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Yeah. Is it Conquest for Planet
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I think it is. No,
I think it is Conquest. Is a

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conquest escaped for war? Right?
War conquest? Because Escape is one of

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the original ones. Kirklan, I
think that's the third one, same as

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Conquest. That's one of the original
ones too. Is there a Conquest for

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plant Apes? Yeah, nineteen,
then it can't do the new one can't

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be conquest. I don't think they're
doing another one, just raining planning the

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apes twenty twenty four and it'll come
up. But either way, as Taylor

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finds that if it's happening to make
right, if not, the strikes might

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have so Adam Kingdom of the Planet
Apes, Yeah, twenty four, all

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right, they're run out of titles
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now, it's coming out May twenty
twenty four. So at any point even

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then it might get delayed, doesn't
matter, it's coming out next year.

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It has been filmed or whatever.
Twenty twenty five, it's coming out.

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They filmed it, they got a
good cast, everything, a director.

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That's like, all right, so
we'll see how it goes. But I

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think there's been like a general sense
of like all of us kind of enjoy

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plant apes somewhat one way or another
and have different iterations and what we've got

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to So we're reviewing all of them
again because we never did a retro,

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even for the War for Planet Apes, like what is it Rise and Dawn

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and Ty did you end up being
on the third review or no? I

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thought there was something Wonky did.
Was it just Briggs in Dylan War No,

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Briggs didn't do it. It was
just me and Dylan, just you

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and Dalane. Okay, So Taylor
can decide to join or not. I

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think you already said would. It's
been a long time, but we're gonna

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review that one too, because Kirk
and I haven't been on that, and

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plus it's past the five year rule. So yeah, we're going to review

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every single plan the apes leading up
to the new one. So please be

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good, because that's gonna be a
big bummer if it's not. But we'd

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being good. We're in for the
ride, Travis. We're not there for

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the destination exactly. I always say
for the rankings of this too, like

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it's gonna be a good time.
But uh, yeah, we're going all

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the way back to the original of
the classic, the nineteen sixty eight Planet

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of the Eighth starring the great Charlton
Heston, who we had a fun night

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last night playing cod And as we're
down some impressions, I said, Emily,

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the problem my impression it sometimes slips
between that and my Connery, like

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I get too British, but it's
it's tough. They had that same general

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like no fucks given, like oh, Camires, I don't even know what

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you would call it. There's just
like something in their mouth that they're like

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talking through. It feels I would
say sixties alpha, That's what I would

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call it. Like it's just like
it's like they think they're top men of

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the chain, you know, Like
why do you want to call that one?

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I don't got a good goddamn reason
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Charlton go, but yeah, so
this Alsusly was a book, so you

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go read that now, Disney owners
that there's com books, there's tons,

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tons of things. And I'll talk
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because I guess my one note Charlton
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but he did it because he's like, ah, it might make a good

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movie. But he read it and
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I'll Charlton voice, yeahh this is
shit anyway. So Kirkland also,

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we're gonna tell about this first film, but what is your first memories of

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planning apes overall? Because like we
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franchise sprawling like almost because what's that? That's so we'll run up the seventy

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We're getting into the sixty seventy year
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crazy, So when was the first
time you're exposed from it? Exposed to

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it? And then you can probably
lay your thoughts into when you if you've

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seen this film before, when you
see it in your thoughts now, just

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everything concerning plan the Apes right now, Yeah, a planet of the Apes,

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like the franchise of a whole is
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movie memories that I have. I
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dad had them on VHS. Yeah, and it just completely like blew my

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mind. I think I was also
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whole concept just really freaked me out. And watch like watching it now,

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this doesn't feel like a horror movie, but I remember back in the day

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this was like this. These movies
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I'm so scared of those what would
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putting on like the outfits to have
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just like the monkey, like the
monkey people just terrified me, but for

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some reason, I just like stuck
through watch them. I think I've seen

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all of the originals. I don't
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on certain scenes that spliced between the
different films, but I've definitely seen the

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Waark one as well. On the
originals, like like, well, look,

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there's like five originally, like that's
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know that because there's like this one, there's a second because there's what beneath,

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and then there's Escape, and then
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one. So it's just like other
than Star Wars, I'm like, is

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anyone what's a franchise in the sixty
seventies that had like five to six sequel

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in that in the sixties seventies,
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that wasn't a big thing back then. I like, we're doing a sequel

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other horror movies. I guess,
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and we're like Halleing one, Holing
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I'm wrong. I'll do a quick
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out and then every few years,
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I don't count nowadays because nowadays it's
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back then to Bruce and Sorry,
they produced five and there was a TV

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show in seventy four as well that
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same plot of this movie, just
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at Land Galen, isn't it?
So you got that, but like it's

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just like if you read the synopsis, it's just the synopsis for the movie

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one. And the actors look like
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weren't doing like Charlton Heston, it
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guys look like they got some makeup. So yeah, they had five movies

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and a TV show almost sixty seventies. That's crazy, I feel like.

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Also just looking back on like that
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eight sixty I think, and like
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nine? Like this is crazy that
this is actually like before is that true?

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This happens before the moon landing.
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me on that, but I'm pretty
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sorry, the first human made object
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that was sixty nine Apollo. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. On that

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their mission July sixteen to July twenty
fourth. Here you got fucking Taylor going

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on a mission for like thousands of
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they doing? No that like and
you're like, we're on top about I

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feel like this movie in a few
ways feels like really ahead of its time.

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Also yeah too, but it feels
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this was made today, people call
this movie woke. There's so much stuff

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that it's like about, like shit, this is still like oh yeah,

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themes of today. It's so good
hundred percent. I was I was kind

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of leaning into more just talking about
this was a movie, which I shouldn't.

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I should just talk about my overall
experience. But yeah, so I

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I really really love these movies though, I, like I said, like

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it was probably one of the earlier
sci fi things that I've seen, and

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like just looking at through the lens
of whatever age like this is probably like

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two thousands around that era when I
actually saw this for the first time,

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and yeah, it just it blew
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then obviously coming back to it now, like I'm so excited to do this

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retro because just coming off this first
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well and I just can't wait to
break down certain things and certain like sci

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fi concepts that it's so interesting,
like the way they went with it in

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the sixties versus like sci fi movies
specifically about space nowadays. It's just so

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interesting, like the differences that they
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lot of newer sci fi movies aren't
making some of the same moves that this

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old one did, And maybe that's
just because we've actually been to space now

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and like we kind of know how
different it is, But I don't know,

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it seems still very grounded and not
over the top and in a lot

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of ways. But yeah, I
don't think I've seen all of them.

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Because you mentioned that there's five originals. That kind of surprised me. I

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thought there was less than that.
So, like I said, I'm just

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excited to go through it and kind
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certain events happened, because just watching
this one, like, there were so

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many things that I completely like,
I did not remember the beginning of this

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movie at all. I thought they
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happened. So yeah, no,
I have some good core memories with the

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Planet of the Apes and uh yeah
no except for the ride. I'll go

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next because because it sounds like my
origin story, this is pretty identical to

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Kirklands, like it was around I'd
seen these before the Tim Burdon remake,

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because I remember that was like the
first real hype thing as a fan,

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Like this was around the time I
wasn't getting much. I remember when the

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Scooby Doo movie came out and they
did that fake trader. I'm not sure

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if you guys ever saw the first
trailer for Scooby Doo, but they made

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it look like it was a new
Batman movie but it wasn't. And then

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gold Member Live Action one. Yeah, yeah, the live action one.

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It started like you need a hero
and it's like in a manner and there's

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like a shadow. It kind of
looks like Batman when they zooming and Scooby

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Doo. I was like fuck.
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fake trailer for a Bond one.
I was awso powers going. So this

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is an era where it's like some
franchise weren't doing the greatest. There's stuff

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space between. So when I found
out, hey, there's a new Planet

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Apes movie, I'd always seen the
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like, I was fucking pumped,
and I love that movie. Now when

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we get to that retro, that's
gonna be a very exciting time because I

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feel much differently upon it now.
But so I was hyped in the same

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thing. This was at my grandma's. She had like the same way.

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I think we've told this before.
I remember those Star Wars VHS's. I

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was like the Stormtrooper, Vader and
Yoda, like the same. Yeah,

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yeah, my grandma had something like
that with apes, like some sort of

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boxet where it had all them and
each one was like you could probably find.

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It's like a yellow cover, a
green cover, purple cover, and

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I was always like a different monkey. And that's where I just remember watching

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it. I think because probably when
it came out, my grandparents at this

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point are probably in their fifties and
the sixties, like this was probably a

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big deal of plant the apes,
right and my grandma liked more this type

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of sci fi stuff. And I
always say, like, I think this

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and Star Wars were the two sci
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And I feel like Star Wars was
like the adventure, like oh, the

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hero story the journey where this was
like the first like oh, this is

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like a not to be like there
it is. Yeah, that's the that's

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core memories, just like, yeah, this is the the facebooks man fox

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was so good. Yeah that's the
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cover like anything but fucking twentieth century
fox Man. They had some great VHS

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covers back in the day. It
was good. So yeah, and I

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just remember just watching them all being
introduced and yeah, Star Wars to me

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introduced me to like the fun adventure
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man sci fi because there's a portion
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all when I was a kid.
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like oh I understand uh racial politics
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there it was a movie that had
long amounts of talking, but I wasn't

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bored. And that was probably new
around that age where it's like Okay,

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I'm still kind of into this.
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but no, that's that's my memories
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got like, there, you made a

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game Boy Advanced game of the first
one, and you're just playing as Taylor,

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just going through the deserts and just
like I guesside scoring him like punching,

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you jump on vines, you have
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probably an awful game when you actually
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in. But I got that.
I had a bunch of the toys.

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I had a bunch of toys from
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a huge franchise for me, and
I still love it. It's still just

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like the overall concept I think it
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like X Men. Oh I like
X Men. Where this can go towards

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gender politics, sexual irritation politics,
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like some meme going around I can't
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movie coming out right now where it's
like their verse where like the majority of

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people are gay and being straight is
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thing, and like say, this
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a movie fan, but like in
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obviously the book as well to touch
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don't know in the sixties if they
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movie or a book like let's do
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the majority and white people are lesser
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the apes is like a disguise be
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the algoryth for race and a lot
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be lesser than. But that's where
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it's like it's this great cool concept
at first of just like a planet with

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monkeys, holy shit. But then
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there's always themes throughout and it's just
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always hope the new ones and other
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later on start to become more just
the action and more like we gotta fight

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the monkeys or fight the people.
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always a message to this franchise,
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I'm very excited to break this all
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I've seen them all, but the
latter ones I haven't seen like a bunch

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of except for the fourth. I
love the fourth one, so I'm excited

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to talk about that. But uh, yeah, I got a big,

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big saft spot for this franchise.
I'm very happy that we're getting another one.

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I'm very happy that it's all on
Disney. Plus it's a nice easy

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watch for us. All. So
you get this collection with the monkey that

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would have terrified me. Oh,
I remember getting previous us. I didn't

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get that collection. No, I
remember getting Previous or this. I think

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one of my first purchases on TV
was when they did like, oh,

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I'll wait. I got a good
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the Apes because that was like one
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DVD player, because like Plan the
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like I think this was like a
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have to have this one. So
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just Plant the Apes. So Teara, how were you introduced to Plant Apes?

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sure you had seen at some point, So what is a what's your tail

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with these monkeys? It goes back
to that box set. I got it

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in my garage and I had the
same one I got. It's like a

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mint condition because it was my grandfather's
and when he had a huge VHS collection

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back in the day and when he
passed, just they were getting rid of

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stuff, I was like, I
really want this box set. So I

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took it and it's just absolutely I
don't have to pull it out so we

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can we can have it on the
show. But yeah, that's that's where

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it started for me. So when
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just such a no. I don't
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it's somehow very enticing and just keeps
you engaged in a weird way, and

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in like mid two thousands, early
two thousands, and it's like, there

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definitely are more modernized films and TV
shows that a kid could watch at that

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point in time, but there's still
something about apes and I feel like there's

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nothing else that really did anything like
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thing that really kind of and I
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I can't remember a lot of the
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came out with Bigfoot, that footage, I getch you not. That footage

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dropped in nineteen sixty seven, and
so you have a comparison here because people

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are like, Okay, who's building
these costumes? And look, people looked

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at Plant of the Apes and that's
one of the best ape costume designs at

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that time. It's play and it's
like holy shit. So when that's that's

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again something that fueled my exploration to
this because it's just this is crazy to

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think about but uh, yeah,
the the franchise is just really interestingly changed.

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part one to part five story and

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it's it's it's just involves some very
interesting elements that I did not expect when

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I was going through it the first
time. And then you have that Tim

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Burton one, which I'd love to
see more of that, but that'll never

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happen. Really, Okay, this
is the ending, just because the end,

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it is a high ending. I
can't wait to get to that movie.

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It's it's such a high ending.
And then you get the a remake

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swhich they are because some people debate
if they're just prequels because they could be

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before they totally act as a prequel. They really really do, and they

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fit like they leave those little we'll
talk about that leave a little easter eggs

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and nod towards the events in this
five part arc that we're retruing right now

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and it's weird, like we'll get
to but even some people argue that three,

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four and five of this series is
a prequel to the one and two

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if the way you look at it, right, I totally agree, Like

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it totally fits. Yeah, it's
a crazy multiverse time travel sort of thing,

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but it is, so we'll see
how it goes. I do feel

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like at its core, racism is
definitely one of the plot devices in this

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and I feel like the for me, the main thing is just humans.

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Humans are the problem, no matter
which way you spin it. Yeah,

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and it's evident in the next one. It's evident in especially in that like

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remake spin off, like the Newer
trilogy, like that, that trilogy is

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those films just make me tear up
hard, like they just they hit hard,

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and it's not many other franchises can
really do that. And it's just

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because it makes you realize, like
man, humans, humans are just shit

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fuck being a human. But humans
have the capacity to be really really good.

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But the odds are it's like one
human for like seven billion, you

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know, Okay, I'm gonna try
one of the most. I'm the most

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pessimistic person on the podcast. Seven
billion. And there's eight billion people in

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the world, isn't there. So
like, man, that's a lot of

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bad people, many people. Is
it eight billion hours and seven billion people?

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Now what is it? I don't
think point eight eight bills? So

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there's eight one and a half hundred
eighty eight one hundred thousand good people.

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I'm kidding. I don't like those
odds or three of them our doact that

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statement, I'll say, there's there's
some there's there in the least in that

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movie setting, you get like only
like a couple of good humans and there's

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so many bad ones. And that, to me is what Planet of the

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Apes is about. Just humanity is
just so bad. And they really explore

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that in the second one Beneath Planet
of the Apes, but in this one,

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for now, like, they really
show this hopelessness. And for me,

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that's probably one of the reasons why
I was always so attracted to this

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film because when you watch it,
just like man, oh yeah, you

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just you watch it just feel like, man, there's just you get stuck

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in these situations where Tailor's just caught
up in moments and it's like, man,

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like you just you can't do anything, you can't get out of the

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scenario. And when you finally do
something to break free from this mold and

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you can like maybe tank not capitalize
on being lucky here all of a sudden,

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but like you talk when you're not
supposed to, and it's like,

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oh, well, we're gonna pick
your brain apart. It's like, well,

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fuck or you A big piece of
evidence you have is your space suits

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and these fucking human people whatever,
like just I don't know, they steal

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your suit and you're wearing garb and
it's like, well, now, no

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one's you're wearing a plastic boat.
It's my favorite thing, Like it's his

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goddamn name I got I'm pulling I'm
new because I never remember the side character's

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name with him as much. But
yeah, he ends up just wearing the

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I kind of forgot about that,
so not landing, no dodge dodge,

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Yeah, I forgot all some you
know, I'm watching, like is he

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just wearing the boat. It's like, yeah, it's just the deflate a

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boat. It's like a human whatever
pawn show. I definitely know exactly where

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I have a few from this five
part or I know exactly where I would

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put some over the others, because
some are to me, are very clearly

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up there over other ones, but
and some are clearly at the bottom of

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mind. Some are clearly clearly at
the bottom, which will be very interesting

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to talk about. But uh yeah, yeah, no, it's just it's

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a It's incredible. It really is
incredible, and this is such a like

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a foundation sci fi film, and
it has some great reveals that it's just

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like holy shit, Like especially at
the end of this movie, you're like,

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god, yeah, part of the
greade in the sixties. Man,

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this has been a fucking trip when
you have no like you've probably been barely

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seeing trailers. I'm not even sure
what they would have revealed because I know

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nowadays all the posters and DVD covers
are always like Taylor and the fucking Satular.

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It's always that. But I wonder
if they did. I don't know

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if they did, but I watched
the trailer. They're like nothing referencing that

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is in the trailer. That must
has been wild. That's it's like,

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I know, the big end.
But when you talk about because we always

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talk about like all the ending of
Saw or like I Am your Father,

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this is a top three twist still
because like obviously maybe I'm not sure do

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you guys know it beforehand or not, like when you watch it going in

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like the like the very end with
the empire, state building everything like the

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first time I wanted the first time, do you know it was definitely not

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and that like again that was like
such a core hit moment, Like I

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feel like there's so much dialogue and
like deep messages in this movie that completely

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went over my head because I was
just way too young to pick it up.

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But that end, it just like
it like shook me. I feel

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like I had nightmares about that,
just like, oh my god, apes

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are gonna take over Earth one day. Yeah, because I feel like when

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I was that age, I didn't
know the iconography of like the Statue of

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Liberty meaning like his I think even
if I saw it on a poster,

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I wouldn't have known, Oh that
means it's Earth. But at the end,

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and she's like, and that's why
imagine like cheese oise like that's But

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like I said, that's a top
three twist, like it's been so long

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ago me I feel forget, Like
that's such a great because it's one of

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those twists where it makes sense and
all the signs are there the whole movie,

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and they do such a good way
of setting it up to make you

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kind of think that it could be
there, could be not. But it's

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not all these twists where it's like
like look at Shamalong. We have that

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both examples, right of sometimes it
feels like there's a bunch there and there's

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stuff that's just very random, like, oh, it's a twist, and

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I'm just using as example, but
this is one that's completely earned and then

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it makes the second viewing of the
movie even better and it's just like a

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perfect and perfect twist. It's part
of me was like wishing that I could

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have just experienced this for the first
time again, like going through this retro

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because yeah, like you said,
like that is just the craziest moment reminded

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me. Like I think last year
I watched The First Alien with a buddy

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of mine that had never seen it
before and had no idea about the the

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twist with the with the the doctor
there, and like when that scene happened,

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it just like blew his mind.
And I totally would have had that

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same aspect going into this one because
screaming, yeah, it starts attacking me,

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thinks I'm an and Inwest. But
like, because yeah, there is

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little like seeds in the movie that
you could maybe pick up, but I

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feel like there's just so many things
going on that you wouldn't really go there

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because you would just think that this
is just another Earth like planet that maybe

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they actually just went through that again
and had dolls. It's not actually Earth,

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but yeah, just because like you
know that it's been thousands of years

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since you've left the planet, if
your tailor, but just to get that

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like confirmation that no, your entire
planet is just gone and there's no remnants

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of any sort of humans. It's
just these monkey people. So it's,

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oh, it's crazy. I was
gonna say. I think, if I

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00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,480
remember correctly going to the archives of
my memory banks here when I was little,

407
00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:41,920
I think thought that maybe the statue
came from Earth and somehow, like

408
00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:48,720
I don't know, just they shipped
something like that because I didn't think I

409
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:53,680
really comprehended that this was Earth.
So crazy. Cut to black too,

410
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,200
like it just goes credits. It's
like, oh no, no happy ending.

411
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:03,200
Should there should when we talked.
In my opinion, there's other sequels

412
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,680
that are good in concepts. The
direct follow up for me is a it's

413
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,240
one of the most like biggest steep
like from a great movie to a sequel.

414
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,000
It's like such a nose dye,
well, nose dive in the back

415
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:17,920
hap. I'd say the first part
was very intriguing and I loved it,

416
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,160
but yeah, it just fucking get
this. We'll get there. But yeah,

417
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,079
but with this movie, and that's
where it's like, I think,

418
00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:26,720
now that I'm older, I do
a better joke because sometimes sequels coming like,

419
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,039
oh, original, this is something
that I don't care how many they

420
00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:32,960
make. It doesn't really matter.
They could make a worse Golden Geese Contender

421
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:37,160
movie and it's never gonna affect this
first one. Like even though Heston comes

422
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,799
back for the sequel, I really
just keep this as like a secluded thing

423
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,279
by itself, like this adventure,
and that just speaks to the quality of

424
00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:45,839
and the other ones. Sometimes some
of them feel a little more cash grabby

425
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,279
and stuff. But because I was
gonna look, I didn't even look at

426
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:51,680
how much it made. I'm sure
made a big amount of money, but

427
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,720
I think that's what they're talking about. As far as like the twist he

428
00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:00,279
at the beginning the movie, there
of course looking what planet they on and

429
00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:03,839
stuff, but that's only like first
twenty minutes. After that's like the get

430
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,160
kidnapped, the get separated, they
get put in these scenarios. Taylor's on

431
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,880
a trial for his life, so
it's like he doesn't really get time to

432
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,400
think about where is he or put
those together. Maybe near the end once

433
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,359
you start finding like the glasses and
the teeth. But like Kirklan said,

434
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,799
could just be oh, this is
an earth that or a plant that went

435
00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:22,839
through something similar, right, and
it all changed. But that's where I

436
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,720
like that they before questions can really
get asked, that they find the people

437
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:30,839
there, right, and they're all
kind of like cave Man and fucking George

438
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,359
Taylor, a classic I think like
Gray Area character who like he's your hero,

439
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,279
but he's kind of a piece of
shit. Like he makes this line

440
00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:41,000
about I can't remember if her name
was actually Stephanie because were joking about last

441
00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:45,200
night, but he was Stewart.
Yeah, he pretty much just says like

442
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,960
she was set that the b R
eve so we could all have our way

443
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,920
with her. He wasn't implying sexual
assault, but he was just implying that

444
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,279
they're all just going to screw her
and then just make like chill like and

445
00:25:56,319 --> 00:26:00,319
he just says it's so kind of
cold. And he does that all the

446
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:06,799
time. So when he's doing like
when they're find these people, when the

447
00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:08,200
first time' is like, oh,
in six days will be the rule of

448
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,880
this planet. Like he's just so
arrogant about things. But that's where it's

449
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,000
great that the second they find these
people, they're there for like a minute

450
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:18,799
seeing how they react, and then
you get the horns. So it's like

451
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,440
you don't even get time to process
what's going on because you get the apes

452
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,279
right away. My mind wouldn't be
thinking about if this is Earth or not.

453
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,599
If I see an ape ride in
a horse that fucking speaks like,

454
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,200
your mind is like shot he gets
shot in the neck. Like, there's

455
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,799
so much stuff going on that I
think they do a good job of right

456
00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:36,759
when you might think you might in
the middle start thinking is this Earth?

457
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:38,440
What's the deal? Like t kurla
and said, they're throwing so much at

458
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,319
you in a good way. It's
almost at the back half you're like,

459
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,559
oh shit, Yeah, what was
this plan? They're like, oh fuck,

460
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,960
it's Earth that sucks and that it
all makes sense. So that's the

461
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,400
thing I say about this. For
me, the biggest thing is the pacing.

462
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,440
This movie is really good. It
does feel like the classic, like

463
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,119
a literal first act, second act, third act. The first act is

464
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,359
just the okay, we've landed,
what's going on? The second act is

465
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,000
being kidnapped, tortured, and then
the third act escape and I think they

466
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:07,240
pace all really well, even the
point when they have that trial going on.

467
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:11,319
And that's what I mean that I
feel like as a kid, I

468
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,319
probably shouldn't have liked this movie when
there's like fifteen minutes of just talking to

469
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,400
Taylor, like and he's like spelling
things out or they're on trial if he's

470
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,720
a man or a misfit or a
missing link. But I guess it worked

471
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:23,440
for me back then, and it's
it's still worse for me now. It

472
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:27,440
slows it down, but in the
to me, the right amount of okay,

473
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:30,319
we have to we get to see
their politics and how they work.

474
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,240
That's why I enjoy that it's not
just half an hour of him shooting animals.

475
00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:37,000
You get that, you get him
trying to escape, but I like

476
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:40,240
that there is slow downs and there's
time to learn because you get to meet

477
00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:42,039
these other apes too that are good, or other monkeys that are good in

478
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,759
chimpanzee. So that's why I love
that dicotomy of seeing it all and I

479
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,640
just enjoy the pacing of it.
That's what I'll just primarily say. So

480
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,200
that was like the biggest Chokra.
I think for me rewatching this because although

481
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,960
I have seen it, it's been
a very long time and all like the

482
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,440
politicking completely went over my head back
in the day. But yeah, maybe

483
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,960
it's also just pulling from my memory
of like Rise of the Planet of the

484
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,359
Apes, where that that one's a
lot more of like an action movie when

485
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,119
it gets popping off, you know, it has those huge yeah Francisco exactly

486
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,240
like I was. I was kind
of had that in the back of my

487
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,480
mind, so I was expecting more
action. But when when the act,

488
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:22,319
like when he gets captured, like
just the dialogue between was her named Zira

489
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:30,119
and her husband and just like how
uh like humane. I guess they're they're

490
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,519
like they're coming from it. I
I just really assumed that the Apes were

491
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,960
just the enemy and like they were
just going to be extremely vicious, all

492
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:41,599
of them in regards to Taylor and
his crew. So that was a big

493
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,680
surprise for me. And just they're
like dialogue amongst each other, like they're

494
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,799
like playing around. I love just
the flip too, like when they first

495
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:52,000
capture the humans and they're like taking
selfies in front of it. It's like,

496
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,839
oh my god, Like this is
this is actually crazy, like the

497
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,759
total flip of putting humans in the
cage versus and that like right away,

498
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:03,519
like that's pretty early on in the
movie when they get captured in like maybe

499
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:04,559
first half hour, and I was
just like, oh man, I am

500
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,880
in for a special ride and not
just for this movie but going forward,

501
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,799
So that that was really really fun, Travis, I have the budget and

502
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,920
box office. This just says that
the time, say budget was five point

503
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,799
eight million, in box office with
was thirty three point three million, which

504
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:25,279
back then for inflation was probably massive. Oh yeah, I know exactly.

505
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,160
Yeah that was even just the difference
like their budget versus box office, that's

506
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,400
that's insane. But just looking at
like what that is nowadays, it's like

507
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,640
it's bare minimum one hundred million dollar
budget and it looks worse than what this

508
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,960
movie was, Like, I was
very impressed with the practical just everything.

509
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,200
This is five million dollars one of
the most important movies all time, and

510
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,960
obviously again for inflation, probably means
more. But yeah, well, like

511
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,799
I was gonna talk about the two
but when you're talking about we talked about

512
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:52,319
themes, when you talk about that
flip of when they take the picture of

513
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,599
the people, like even stuff like
today people with hunting and like if you

514
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,720
should do it if you're not game
hunting and stuff. When you get to

515
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:00,279
see whatever side you feel on,
when you get to see the imagery flipped

516
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,200
of these apes like staying with the
humans, like fuck man, Like that's

517
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,240
an image right there, even like
that, like I said, to be

518
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:08,440
like the near seventies that have that
kind of cooking and going on. And

519
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,880
that's still a debate that goes this
way. And yeah, as far as

520
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,839
budget wise, I think like even
for like nowadays look great, but for

521
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:21,000
sixty eight looks standing fantastic. There's
nothing really that stands out. There's some

522
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,200
stuff like when like Taylor's in the
ship and like the windows are looking really

523
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:26,559
like, okay, none of this
is happening. This is this I don't

524
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:30,039
know what it is, but it
hole like it looks old, but in

525
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,240
that great way where it just looks
like a fine wine, where it's like,

526
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:36,559
man, this is this looks great. It reminds me a lot when

527
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:38,319
we do Indiana Jones. It was
like, I just wish more movies looked

528
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,000
like this now like and of course
nowadays you probably couldn't do the monkeys with

529
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:45,920
the makeup, even though I even
think as the problems I had with the

530
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,359
burn one, the makeup was not
the problem. Like I still think you

531
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,480
could get away with it. But
I get I get why, you know,

532
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:53,720
people saw Golm and said, like, look what we can do.

533
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:56,599
You know, but all this stuff
like for the times, man, this

534
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,400
movie looks great, and they like
they shot a lot of that outside stuff

535
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,480
in Arizona, all that hiking in
the rocks and sand. Like I said

536
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:07,000
him, like the first twenty minute
this minute man of the movie, it's

537
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,559
just like a smorgas border. I
love all the shots of the different mountains

538
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:14,680
and lakes, and yeah, I
absolutely love it. So yeah, so

539
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,440
five point or no, sorry,
yeah, five point eight million would have

540
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:26,559
been worth like fifty one fifty roughly, which like the thirty eighth then what

541
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,880
were they made then? And yeah, fifty five today? That's like a

542
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,000
modest like that's like a almost independent
movie at times, you know. So

543
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,279
where do you want to go next? Taylor? You want to talk about

544
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,000
Taylor? How do you feel about
George Taylor? Our main character here?

545
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:48,680
Think Charlton Heston, He's just my
cigar bitch. I feel like he's just

546
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:53,640
really he doesn't crack until like the
very end. I feel like he's just

547
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,039
a couple of times when they're when
they're hosing him down, he's on the

548
00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:05,119
verge of losing. It is a
bad house, and he's like he's just

549
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,839
like laugh at him. When he
figures out they they the bottom his co

550
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:14,480
pilot, that's pretty bad. But
for the most part, he just takes

551
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:16,000
it in stride. I feel like, and he's just such a he is

552
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,960
a macho man about a lot of
them. Oh yeah, like through and

553
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,000
through. But yeah, he's he's
just ever since like he loses his voice,

554
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:28,200
you know, getting shot in the
throat, which fucking sucks to begin

555
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:32,680
with, and everything he's trying to
recovery. Thought recovery. Two days later

556
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,799
he has full use of his voice. Like I guess I always take it

557
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:38,880
like it like raised him. There
is one shot when they throw in the

558
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,960
cage and they zoom in on his
wound and there's not a it's just like

559
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,839
like paint blood. I'm like,
don't zoom in there, come on and

560
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,640
get away. But I just take
it as that, like I had candlecage

561
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,160
just like grazed him and it like
hurt. But yeah, like if you

562
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,079
just get like because when they shoot
him, they don't make it look that

563
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:57,839
way. They shoot him and hes
like grabs his throat like and there's so

564
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,039
much that they Yeah, they impaled
with that bullet, especially where it hit

565
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,119
too. Yeah, I was like, Wow, we're killing off our main

566
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,079
guy or George Taylers. Is that
bunch of a badass. He like just

567
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:08,839
sat there like healed in a cage
for days, like like a wolf.

568
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,759
Yeah, so I'm gonna jump in
here. Two hundred and ninety three point

569
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,039
four would have been the box office
million, okay, and I guarantee and

570
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,480
also yeah, that's inflation, and
guarantee you too, the reverse inflation nowadays

571
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:25,000
of how much tickets cost even more
too. It's because you think tickets back

572
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:29,000
then are probably you know, five
six bucks were. Now it's like you

573
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,720
want to see this movie twenty you
want to see Sarah Swift saying fifty bucks,

574
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,720
you know, like so yeah nowadays, it's because it's like one of

575
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,359
those like Gone with the Winds been
pasted a bunch. But it's like if

576
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,559
you look at the actual tickets sold, it's like the biggest movie of all

577
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:44,440
time, just because the way it
was so now that and still that's a

578
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:45,720
very that's like three times your budget, right, because you said it was

579
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:50,359
twenty five for what was it?
Fifty would have been like the budget?

580
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,000
No, no, what was the
box office? Uh? I just closed

581
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:57,319
it two hundred ninety four or something
like that. Okay, that's like all

582
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,440
that's like four or five times your
budget. So that's a no. Wonder

583
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,640
why they made four sequels on a
TV show the sixties, like, ah,

584
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,800
yeah, I'll come back for two. Yeah, just laughs at his

585
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:17,000
check. I hate this book.
I do think though, that they the

586
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:24,000
ability to create this relationship between Taylor, Cornelius and Zero was really interesting.

587
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:30,559
I liked how that kind of unfolded
and everything that Taylor was going through.

588
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,960
It just makes it makes me get
agitated and angry because you're dealing with he

589
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,280
would have been the orangutang, right, I think that's the religious prophetical leaders

590
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:44,000
the government guys, right, like
the main you say, yeah that they're

591
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,400
orangutangs. I'm pretty sure. And
then yeah, the doctors and the gorillas

592
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,039
of the soul Zius is it?
Yeah, zerr is a lady and then

593
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:59,719
Zirus something Zius the Taylor's most of
his conversations with Zius is just so stressful.

594
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,840
And so even when we're in the
cave at the Leanne, for example,

595
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,199
and it's like, oh, this
guy, you know, just his

596
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,400
glasses, all he's going through and
nobody's playing with that fucking dull thing,

597
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:16,599
and and Zius just shits on everything
he says about that, or just referencing

598
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:20,559
the scrolls too. I'm kind of
segueno Zius now, but he's just he's

599
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:25,000
a character that really bothers me a
lot just for how he speaks to his

600
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,519
belief it's us okay, it's fair, and it's just because you have this

601
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:35,000
society that's established for thousands of years
and they believe their own religious stuff and

602
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:37,519
whatnot. On Zius' is like,
oh this is you know, our scrolls,

603
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:39,440
scroll thirteen, whatever, all that
stuff, and then ten minutes later

604
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:45,960
he's like I knew everything. He's
like, I've been lying this entire time.

605
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,360
But like again, for religion,
that plays into it, right,

606
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,360
whatever, whatever religion you're into,
whatever you believe in, there is ways

607
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,079
you can pitch it, both x
Y and z And I'm always like I

608
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:59,000
said, I'm not a religious person
and I can't remember what the term is

609
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:01,159
of, Like I don't believe anything, but I don't disbelieve anything agnostic.

610
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,840
Yeah, it's just one of these
things that like I'll figure it out when

611
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,440
I die and go from there.
Let's hope there's not a God in hell,

612
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,320
because I hope I make it through. But you never know, right,

613
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,280
because I always talk about all the
time, right where some people's God

614
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:15,360
would be this is X, Y
and Z, and they're very frigging whatnot.

615
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,920
But then they're to some people,
there's a God that believe that,

616
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,519
Hey, if you're gay, you're
going right to hell, or if you

617
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:22,519
support people that are gay, you're
going right to hell. That's right,

618
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,239
That's where I go, Hey,
if this part of the bile is completely

619
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,760
true, that I'm going to hell. And that's where it's just like you

620
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,119
can, like each religion and each
kind of ideology, you can point holes

621
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:36,039
or like point like put towards stuff, and when people are questioned, obviously

622
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:37,800
that can get very viotal. And
I feel like that's Zia's right here.

623
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:43,119
And he's also doing it because like
he's carrying the back of a whole society.

624
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,400
He's carrying this society on his back. Pretty much, and it's like

625
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,679
it's not That's what I love about
Ziace. It's like it's not that he's

626
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,719
even wrong because he's just like his
whole point is he doesn't want people to

627
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,679
believe men were a thing really to
this extent right to be talking that they

628
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:01,280
were the primitive primate. And the
whole reason is not so much of like,

629
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,360
I don't think that he feels like
ape and man couldn't live together.

630
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,559
He just knows like he's is worried
what man could do to ape and like

631
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:13,199
that, and that's where it's like, the way they posed it in this

632
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,519
film, it's not that he's really
on the wrong side, because the they

633
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:20,039
what happens pretty much is the humans
went to nuclear war and blew the whole

634
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,280
earth right, and that kind of
creates. Obviously, now there's been a

635
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,880
few changes to the origins and stuff, but I feel like in this moay,

636
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,719
they're kind of sinuating that the whole
world went to war, nukes happened,

637
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,639
they created these monkeys that probably got
something from it, and that's why

638
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,239
humans couldn't speak. Like I said, the newer ones try to post something

639
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,239
different, like it's the sickness,
but either way, how we got to

640
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,639
this point was man made, So
why woods Ice want the men to rise

641
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,400
up again? Who like resulted in
war? And again this comes into it

642
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,079
later, but the number one one
of the rules of the planet apes is

643
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:51,000
ape doesn't kill ape, right,
it doesn't matter what differences they have,

644
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,159
you don't kill each other. Where
men that was not a thing they kill

645
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:57,159
it. They went to war.
So it's like he is the antagonist,

646
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:00,639
but the same times, like I
can't almost not say he's right from his

647
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,719
perspective because he's just like protecting everybody
because they got a pretty good It's like,

648
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,480
Okay, you can argue the slave
part is bad with the people they

649
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:10,559
treat the humans like shit, but
from their point of view from them as

650
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:14,840
apes and monkeys and chim and zee, they got a pretty good outlook in

651
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,239
society going on. I think for
me on this, like most recent watch

652
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,440
and probably even just all my watches
of this, it's it is still tough

653
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,280
for me to like see him in
the good light because he is just so

654
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,000
on his side, like he's so
close minded, like he's like it's just

655
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:34,400
the opposite of open minded, like
like it doesn't matter if they show him

656
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,880
the evidence he is just sticking to
his script. And for me, it's

657
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,880
just like I hate that characteristic of
people, so like to see it in

658
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,719
him or hear in him. I
get it. They have their their comfort

659
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:51,280
and like what they have here,
but they're like calling innocent apes heretics because

660
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,159
they're just like trying to follow science
and it seems like they have like a

661
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:59,400
good scientific team. They study things, but they're still just like, no,

662
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,719
it doesn't matter what the results say. This is the way it is.

663
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,599
And but I mean, you make
up good points. I just think

664
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:09,239
on my like when I watched it
now, I didn't see his side of

665
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,880
it. It was just like,
eh, I don't know. I was

666
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,679
gonna say, though, does he
actually feel that way? Because I think

667
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:19,119
he's just lying. That's how I
like. I don't think he actually believes

668
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,920
in the science and the religion,
Like, oh, that doesn't mean I

669
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,119
think he's just I don't think he
does. I think he will defend it

670
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:28,280
because, like you said, it's
very It's like their whole culture is founded

671
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,480
on it and if you lose that, then it all breaks apart. And

672
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,800
that's that's something that's been displayed in
other mediums too, like even in the

673
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,559
Halo franchise, for example, like
Covenant, Like you have this religious thing,

674
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:40,880
but when when you have something kind
of that can underdo it, and

675
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,599
it can, it can just break
it all apart. And I like how

676
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:49,679
you explain that, because I think
it's super shitty that they didn't just explain

677
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,400
the whole truth because eventually, when
something like this does happen to talking human,

678
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,880
it just kind of defuncts everything like
that and then they blow up the

679
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,719
cave. Yeah, that's the way
take it that he does believe the scientists

680
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,079
and Heston and everything. I think
he's just lying to say face. I

681
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:08,840
think the other people in the council
aren't with him. I feel like because

682
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:14,719
that's why I like when they have
that meaning Taylor in him solely he calls

683
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,599
him Taylor and he's like, oh, thank you for calling me that and

684
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:22,000
not that Like they have like a
like a weird That's what I love about

685
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:25,920
it. They have a weird understanding
semi respect for now like almost Hessen his

686
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,280
character feels like he understands that he
has to do this. He still thinks

687
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,519
he's a piece of shit, but
he's like from his point of view,

688
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,400
he's like I get why you do
this. But at the same time,

689
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,840
Heston's pitch is really just let him
go. He's not even trying to like

690
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,199
like Cornelius and Zero, they're the
ones that want to change the hierarchy dig

691
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,079
more. Hesson just wants to get
the fuck out of there, like he

692
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:46,719
does not like really like he'll call
them on their bullsh of like, well

693
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,199
this means man, and like we
talked about like why would a monkey create

694
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,159
a talking doll? Right, doesn't
make talking human doll? That doesn't make

695
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,039
much sense. So he kind of
calls him out there. But like I

696
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:00,159
said, he does reveal his cards
when he's like all always known about man.

697
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:05,119
So it's like I I pictures AIA's
like they were on some fucking early

698
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:08,599
discovery with some other people and he
like killed those other apes just like high

699
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:12,760
it like how like and I thing
like how long has theias known about this?

700
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,039
How many other people do know about
it? And obviously they blow up

701
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:19,480
that cave And that's why I like
that and this one not talking about the

702
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,360
sequel, That's why I like.
To me the first bi zone is there's

703
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,760
nothing dangerous about the forbidden Zone.
It's just more of this it's more like

704
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:31,320
human you know, artifacts studies,
stuff that would prove them wrong. So

705
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:36,199
that's why I love that they have
these scary scarecrows and tell these stories about

706
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:37,239
it. And when Cornelis says he's
been there, it was like, what

707
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,800
do you mean you've been there?
I like that they posed as like you

708
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,920
could die out there versus it's probably
not that. It's just more secrets would

709
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,239
get unraveled. And again, it's
such a good like like uh kind of

710
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:52,000
shady society almost like Illuminati of plan
the apes that they have this thing that

711
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,679
they're hiding from the rest of the
community just so people can stay in line,

712
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,280
do their day to day do you
know, live in their huts these

713
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,519
slaves and same thing there. He's
like he has these scientists, but at

714
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:07,719
the same time he's like limiteding.
He wants them to get good, but

715
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,159
not too good, right because if
they get too good, what's gonna happen?

716
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,320
So yeah, it seemed because like
what's their goal with the whole uh

717
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:21,119
like biology? They just want to
like what tests their brains? And yeah

718
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,119
they do they do mention something.
I don't think they use the word surgery,

719
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:27,239
but they do mention something like that
when they're looking when they're talking about

720
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,599
brains and stuff. So I think
the idea is to get like something to

721
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,960
like do with the to help with
the brain, or to do something with

722
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,559
the brain. And I don't know
what their end goal is per se.

723
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:42,000
Maybe I guess just to learn maybe
right, just to advance your technology,

724
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,280
because yeah, I guess so,
because like Zira's motivation is to try and

725
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,360
figure out the missing link between what
would have been the humans and the apes,

726
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:54,239
which it sounds like Zius is just
trying to nip it in the butt

727
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,039
because he like he actually knows like
what the case is, but he just

728
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:01,320
like doesn't want that to happen.
And then I guess my other question would

729
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,519
be like what, like what's their
purpose with the like the human slaves,

730
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:08,960
Like are they just like are they
working for them or are they eating themwhere?

731
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,840
Like what's going on? Because they
don't we actually don't see that happen

732
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,320
in the Moo, Like we see
the slaves a ram, but we never

733
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,719
see what they actually do. They
kidnap them and then we don't know why.

734
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,000
I guess they kill some of the
angry ones, but like when they

735
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,719
have to bring out oh, God, what's his other friend's name? Gets

736
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,960
the bonding and like, yeah,
yeah, I think you're right. It's

737
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:32,480
it's it's land. And so like
they're around because they just call upon them,

738
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:35,159
right, He's like, oh,
well, let me see them and

739
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:37,000
I'll point them out. But it's
like, what were they doing? I

740
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:38,719
just take it that they are just
slaves. They would be like cleaning,

741
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,679
cooking. Other movies get in that
or like somewhere the sequels, but I

742
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:46,199
feel like that's what they are.
They're just uses like her, like cattle

743
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,880
and stuff, just to do,
you know, whatever they want. And

744
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,440
because I want to bring up this
point before I forget try you're talking about

745
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,039
like Hessen when he can speak,
when he can't speak again. For back

746
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,519
in that generation, this is like
a big algory for this is a thing

747
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:02,960
that if you were black and people
knew you could read or write, you

748
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,039
were pretty much a dead person.
You were they because they didn't want people

749
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,000
to be advanced in a certain way
that they'd get passed. So that's where

750
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,360
the same thing when Heston speaks off
seeing this movie, it's like taken into

751
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,559
a room. But still it's like
it's a good allegory for that of the

752
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:21,079
second he speaks he's under trial,
they're pretty much executing him, you know,

753
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:22,199
like if he doesn't get at like
they're and look at what they do,

754
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,880
that's maybe that could have dug a
bit more than that. But I

755
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,639
didn't have time, which is fine
still like pretty much a perk movie to

756
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:32,320
me is like I wish I guess
they kind of gag him. I just

757
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,800
wish he would ask them a bit
more about landing of like, hey,

758
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,000
why did like why does he have
this big chunk out of his head because

759
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,519
they're like, no, like we've
not seen anybody else could talk. Yeah,

760
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:44,719
go find your friend. And it's
like, clearly he's been fucked up,

761
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,360
Like there's no ifs ands or butts, like zero kind of understands that.

762
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,159
It's just like they didn't even hide
it. They should just killed them.

763
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:52,920
Really, but the fact that they
like bottomize them and put them out

764
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,719
there like okay, well what gonna
what's gonna happen? And the same thing,

765
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,679
right, that's an allegory that he
clearly probably was captured. He talked,

766
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:01,639
and then right away they just but
again, who else knows because someone

767
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:05,400
would have been told to bottomize the
sky, right, Yeah, so there's

768
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,480
probably other apes that know or think
something's up right. I guess the only

769
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:14,519
difference there is like Taylor had Zira
to kind of protect him because she was

770
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,119
very hands on, but Landon just
had this guy that was getting paid minimum

771
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:22,480
wage probably like whatever, let's just
fucking. But even then, like yeldom

772
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,599
first that's I mean, like would
ape just feel like, oh, it's

773
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:29,000
a talk one. I feel like
they would go to the high command and

774
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,480
then they probably just got some order
to take him out right, But that's

775
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:32,840
I mean, like, is there
like a pawk? Is there like a

776
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,039
shift a of apes that know that
we just bumped into a talking human and

777
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:39,960
what the hell is going on there? For sure? Is I mean the

778
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,800
best place to talk is in public
like Taylor did. So yeah, yeah,

779
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,400
because then everyone knows about this talking
man because they say he's been there

780
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,480
for weeks. After that, like
for trial, they don't kill him right

781
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:52,920
away. He's been in prison for
weeks, sin it'ce like okay, So

782
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,599
yeah man, It's it's just interesting, Like there's so many different moments in

783
00:45:57,639 --> 00:46:00,239
this movie when I kind of just
try and it's funny because the whole idea

784
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,360
this is that it's flipping humans and
apes, but I like, just try

785
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,760
and flip it again, like back
to what it would have been, like

786
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:09,440
if you're Zious and he does that
one on one meeting with just like a

787
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,119
monkey in that situation, Like if
Zius is a human and you just bring

788
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,559
it in a monkey and he's just
having a full on conversation with the monkey,

789
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:17,920
Like I just think that would blow
my mind if everything that you've actually

790
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:22,440
interacted with them, like they're you
can't even domesticate these creatures because they're just

791
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,400
like feral or whatever, and like
you're just having a full on conversation.

792
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:29,800
He's like he can read and write. Like to me, I feel like

793
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,239
there's moments that just it's like why
are they not tripping out as much as

794
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,480
they should be? But then it
makes sense that Zius actually knows already that

795
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:42,400
there was some humans or sorry,
there was a set of humans that actually

796
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,920
had like dolls that could like they
have at one point, they were the

797
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,159
main primates they were, So I
guess if we found that, if like

798
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:54,320
if we found monkey dolls like that
like spoke and like, that would totally

799
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,000
change our entire outlook on that.
So there was a couple of moments throughout

800
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:00,239
the movie that I just kept doing
doing that flip, which is kind of

801
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,360
funny because the whole point of the
movie is that it's Kirklea's like, what

802
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,760
would I do if I was talking
to a chimpanzee? Fully, whatever I

803
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,039
do? First thing, Oh,
I want to play this game. But

804
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,800
like I do like that that Zaias
has a line where he believes that man,

805
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:19,480
he knows man could speak and with
the top of the food chain,

806
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:21,599
he believes there could be more out
there. But I like that he does

807
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:23,440
not believe that he's from a different
like space. He does not believe in

808
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:29,480
space traut. He's like, why
like the concept of space show literally just

809
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:31,559
like flying on the air when he
makes that plane and fuck, I love

810
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,599
Zay. So the whole movie is
just fucking taking away everything that makes he

811
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:38,119
takes the plane, he destroys it. When he looks at the writing,

812
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:42,559
He's like, like, I love
He's just looking out for George Taylor to

813
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:45,519
like make advances and like ruin them. He's like the best like bully around,

814
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:53,239
Like fuck this that plaining crumple scene, that's fantastic. The uh what

815
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:58,599
you're talking about? Kirklea I think
it's it's interesting because if you have Zius,

816
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,000
who knows about human entity and knows
about this this history, but you

817
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:07,719
have a human that all of a
sudden is talking and not talking like hand

818
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,880
off, yeah, get head off, talking like that, but like he

819
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,920
full on speaks like he just picked
up, like get your paws off me,

820
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:22,239
damn stet Like he's perfectly pronunciating this, correcting them flew versus flown exactly.

821
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,159
And you're telling me that he's just
been in the in this cage watching

822
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:27,360
what the apes do and could just
click and you could just do it.

823
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,280
No, I feel like, okay, if Zius is still denying this,

824
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,920
and I feel like other apes should
have been asking questions and figure out like,

825
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,719
okay, there's something going on here. But they just like they're so

826
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,159
like innocent minded, like why would
one ape be lying about all this backstory

827
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:44,119
of our origin? Yeah, so
we don't have to question it. They

828
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:46,360
don't double the council what they think. Zius just thinks that he's like from

829
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,159
a tribe far away, right,
So in his mind, there's just like

830
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,840
a few other human people that could
talk and they've just never found them.

831
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,960
But the rest of the Council's kind
of just they they have really no idea

832
00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:59,199
that to take it. I think
it's crazy, Like, yeah, it's

833
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,159
one thing that he can like speak
very well and like read and write and

834
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:06,039
actually like just stare into your eyes
and have a conversation. But like he

835
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,599
also just picks up on like their
whole politicking, like the trial sequence,

836
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:13,079
Like he knows what's going on there. So I feel like for many of

837
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:15,519
the apes at that table, that
should have been a red flag, but

838
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,239
who knows. They're just all in
the same camp of like whatever, we're

839
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,079
just executing him anyways. Well,
and that's how I love where when that

840
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:23,639
trial starts, he's quiet, and
when he goes to speak, he even

841
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,159
opens up with like I don't know
your way of life. Like he is

842
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:30,760
trying to tiptoe around them at first, like try to fine calmon ground,

843
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,519
and then the end they just keep
trying to like to muzzle him around.

844
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,119
He's just losing, and then he's
fucking throwing eights around in course, Okay,

845
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,159
it's over for Tailor. He's not, Yeah, you can't get to

846
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:44,480
that level. Your cocks out and
you're fighting these monkeys, like you can't

847
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,519
do this. Man, like you
see he drops his trousers, are all

848
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:51,360
like, oh that's unfortunate. Oh
yeah, I credit has he's naked a

849
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,960
lot in this movie, Like he's
a guy that's confidence man head. And

850
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,280
that's how you can tell because landing
when he was swimming, I don't know

851
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,760
if you know, when he was
swimming, the actor like kept like covering

852
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,800
his not hasted. Man. He
was full on, just like doing the

853
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:07,719
big His cock was just like best
stroken as well, like and we doubble

854
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,280
last night. There's this great scene. I was saying this to these guys

855
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,679
they know, you know, to
the Emily. But because I guess this

856
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:15,840
back Neahbor movies didn't have rating,
so I don't know what it would have

857
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,719
been rated this movie. But I
still think it's like a PG thirteen movie.

858
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,760
There's no FS, there's no even
breast. That was a pitch originally

859
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,719
that I haven't the trivia that originally
was when that all the women were gonna

860
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,920
be bare breasted. But they're like
women know, all the human women were

861
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,920
just all gonna be naked. But
they're like, let's not do that,

862
00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:36,599
just like let's even you know back
then, like let's focus on this market

863
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,360
that's widespreads. But oh there's this
point where, yeah, they go swiming,

864
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,400
which is a great scene. It's
so funny that they act like they

865
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,639
haven't seen water in ever, but
they literally just saw water like a day

866
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:49,400
ago. But I get it.
It's fine, you know again, it's

867
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,880
so funny. Hopefully you're listening to
like a year in evance. Some people

868
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:57,199
have seen it between the hiking and
that water like man, we sublimately remade

869
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,360
some things with their movie because I
was like, oh, some care reacts

870
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,440
the same way with water, you
know, Oh fuck he does. I

871
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,519
don't think about that because the character
finds someone and later on finds the ball.

872
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:09,559
It's so funny. But it so
they go swimming and they go to

873
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:12,679
shore and I was like, they're
like, oh, are there any more

874
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,079
movies and like just men being naked
and they they're on the beach and it's

875
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:21,440
just Hessen's standing there and then both
doj and landing like bend down and it's

876
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:23,880
just their heads in frame, like
right around Hesson's cock and there's like,

877
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:30,599
look at this Charlock Taylor Like it's
like the best like unlike meant comedy I've

878
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:32,639
seen in quite a long time,
Like it looked great, and Hessen looks

879
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:37,000
like he has that fore body where
he's just like naturally jacked and like toned

880
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:39,719
up and stuff. But that was
another thing I loved like about his physique

881
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,719
in the movie though. It's like
it's not like he was just washboard abs

882
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,599
and like looked like he was just
getting a pump on for the last however

883
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:50,039
many years that they're floating in space, Like he did have a realistic like

884
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:52,960
he had some fat in there that
like he was kind of like you can

885
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,039
tell he wasn't doing a lot of
working out in the ship, but like

886
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:59,840
it just it looked very natural.
But he had a good, nice co

887
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:01,960
foundation. Like there were some abs
in there for sure, but it wasn't

888
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:09,079
as ridiculous as some of these Hollywood
bodies like camal in Eternals. You know,

889
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:14,400
he wasn't looking like that. Yeah, Heston, we need to get

890
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,800
to the gym six days a week. This chicken, take these steroids.

891
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:23,360
Fuck you, I'm just gonna make
some money. Pay me, bitch.

892
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:30,000
But anyway, so where where were
because start on Taylor and then we went

893
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,159
all over What do you think about
George Taylor? As are antagons or last

894
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:38,079
thing, last thing I'll throw before
the George Taylor thing with that scene when

895
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:40,960
they find the water. Yeah,
I found it hilarious that it was like

896
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,159
it was like the first time they've
seen water. But I found it even

897
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:46,960
crazy with that they find these like
scarecrow type things and they're like, whatever,

898
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:52,840
let's just go for a fucking dip
and drop all of our close you're

899
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,159
on like a foreign planet. I'm
like, that would be the last thing

900
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:57,920
I do. But I digress.
I've seen a lot of sci fi,

901
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,440
which these guys probably haven't seen so
well. Even before we get to Tarato

902
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,440
and Stead because like one again,
I love classic Heston. He finds that

903
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:07,199
shower and he's like, oh,
like it's just like the greatest shower he's

904
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:12,280
ever had in this life. It's
it's fantastic. But like, I know,

905
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:15,440
hundreds of movies do this, but
I just I looked over to Emily.

906
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,199
I'm like, imagine if you were
an astronaut and you fucking crash landed

907
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,719
on a planet and your ship was
just gone like for a while, It's

908
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,480
just like it could just be And
because I assume I don't know, because

909
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,079
they say they have three days worth, we don't know how many. I

910
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:31,119
don't think did they ever show a
night cycle when they're hiking out, So

911
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:35,480
I think they're insinuating like it's been
one day, but even it's like it's

912
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:37,199
one day, twenty four hour.
Actually, who knows how it works there,

913
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:42,480
right, because there's looking lightning randomly
in the goddamn desert with no rain

914
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:45,599
or anything. So obviously the fucking
nuclear bombs have MESSI TERRAINO, but they

915
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:50,039
can brief fine. But just imagine
that, like that idea that if we

916
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:52,199
were to crash land somewhere US three
and it's like if it's just us,

917
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,880
like nothing else, because for a
while there's nothing, there's just the ady

918
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:01,360
girl is killed in her sleep,
yeah, looking mummified, like it's just

919
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:06,119
like you and I guess they literally
do say we'd only have three days.

920
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:09,519
We probably just died. But just
that realization of man like for and I

921
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:14,079
and we haven't talked about him.
We were talking about this considering with our

922
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:15,719
movie because we I screen it for
these guys and I show them version with

923
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:21,280
the score. A huge shout to
Jerry Goldsmith because that first half an hour

924
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,840
is pure score. You take the
score out of this this movie could you

925
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,880
could risk it being boring at times
where they're just because they're walking for a

926
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,079
long time. And it made me
happy where I was like, Okay,

927
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:32,000
yeah, I feel like we're doing
the right thing. And some music here

928
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,719
because sometimes like oh do you need
it, we'll take you out. But

929
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,960
it's just like one just the type
of music, like all the it's such

930
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:44,039
a weird score, the sounds Jerry's
making, and he's done many many great

931
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:47,400
tracks, like just everything when they're
hiking. It just is that combination of

932
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,880
mysterious and creepy but nothing's creepy,
like it's just rocks and stuff, but

933
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,639
you're making it feel like something is
fucking off of this as his planet.

934
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:59,400
So first half an hour, the
MVP is Jerry Goldsmith in the score because

935
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,840
he has to care this movie.
And second of all that fucking apes theme.

936
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:07,880
My god, I thought, yeah, it's like shout out at him

937
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,199
because I said, for the first
ass movie, I think like he if

938
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:14,400
the score sucks, this movie is
definitely not as good as it is now

939
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,639
because like there's so much no dialogue
for a while, you know, it's

940
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:20,840
just these guys. As we took
four film, these guys like for twenty

941
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,159
and it's just hiking looking at stuff
scenery, but the score is just it's

942
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:30,320
like haunting. It's just it's so
damn good man. Yeah, I completely

943
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:36,000
agree. Just suits like the tone
and all that jazz I was gonna mention,

944
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,440
Yeah, just when they crash land
there and I feel like this is

945
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:43,519
just something because I've experienced so many
like sci fi movies or maybe like survival

946
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:46,280
type games in this aspect of like
you land on a planet, your ship's

947
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,239
gone, you got three days to
live, it's like go and like just

948
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,679
just it like that, just how
it started right there just kind of blew

949
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,400
my mind on like where their psyche
was at, because I feel like right

950
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,800
then and there, it's like holy
fuck, like we are all gonna die

951
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:05,480
on his planet, like probability,
yeah, probability, Like we're all gonna

952
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:07,199
die in three days, Like there's
no way that we're gonna find food,

953
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:12,039
water, shelter, all the like
society, Like just the odds of that

954
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:17,239
happening are so slim. It just
blew my mind. How Like it was

955
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,960
kind of tripped me out too,
because like Taylor's psyche, he seems like

956
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,440
a fucking wacko at the start,
of this movie. It's like, why

957
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:29,320
is he the captain this mission?
Like this guy he's like laughing at Landing

958
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,119
for like missing his family and like
or like just hit like where he was

959
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:37,639
a mortal man to be the most
important one. It almost seemed it almost

960
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:39,159
seemed like Taylor was like the only
one that knew that, like they were

961
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:44,840
never gonna go back to their like
on their he knew their whole planet planet,

962
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,599
he knew they're gonna crash. He
just yeah, he knew Nova was

963
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:51,800
there. He scoped it out already. I'm gonna have a woman. But

964
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,679
like yeah, because he's just so
matter of the fact of it, because

965
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,480
like like yeah, Dodge, you
don't get too much from him. Dodgers

966
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,800
all about the like, and I
feel like Landon definitely is a bit more

967
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,639
word, but you feel it with
Dodge and Taylor that they are like not

968
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,400
family men. And even then,
like I don't even think Landing is because

969
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:13,159
I said it was an arrogant line, but because we don't ever know what

970
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:15,000
the mission is, right, it
could just be exploration. But the way

971
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:19,440
that when Taylor says that about she
was supposed to be the Eve to our

972
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,719
Adam, it sounds like they were
supposed to find some planet and like bring

973
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,679
life to it, or like why
else do we us as a society,

974
00:57:27,719 --> 00:57:30,599
we're not sending any missions out there
with a woman meant to just go reproduce

975
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:35,519
Right now, you're doing the interstellar
thing where you're just bringing like sperms,

976
00:57:36,039 --> 00:57:40,480
and maybe that's like at least yeah, yeah, the odds aren't great for

977
00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:43,760
the baby production, like you're gonna
have to wait a while there. But

978
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,760
and that's why, maybe it's just
Taylor just being like a prick, because

979
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:50,599
he is a prick. He is
like like and I do get it because

980
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:52,320
I was watching this a little bit
with Gwen and she had to ask me

981
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:58,639
to talk about when hesson land and
plant plants his flag and Hesson with the

982
00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:00,599
loudest laugh you've ever heard in cinema, My god, and Hessen with those

983
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:06,440
huge ass teams zoom, and again
you're like, this guy is not reliable.

984
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,159
He's fucking like But I think that's
what I kind of like, is

985
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:12,719
I feel like that's the reason he
survives because he's kind of squirrellly, like

986
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,360
because he's he's kind of like an
offset guy. That that's why he can

987
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:22,800
he can go like get through these
water somehow or the other two almost too

988
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,960
too straightforward that they couldn't get like
they would die right away, and they

989
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,280
did, you know, like the
like Dodge got shot twice, unfortunately he

990
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:35,199
got shot in this fucking statue,
gets shot later like fucking just the circle.

991
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:37,039
That is a poor guy, and
both times in the back and neck.

992
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:39,719
So he's just looking down from heaven
like man. And then land and

993
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,360
like we said, he probably just
spoke up way too fast when they had

994
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,400
him and it was it was over
for him. But they're like, yeah,

995
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:50,000
so he plants that flag. And
that's why I love that. It's

996
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,719
so interesting. I'm not saying I
want a prequel movie, don't do that.

997
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:55,239
I just mean, like with Dodge, he's so obsessed with science,

998
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,800
and Landon talks about like it sounds
like he was a bit of an egl

999
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,599
guy, wanted to be like an
Neil Armstrong, get all this publicity,

1000
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:04,800
but still for he's there for the
mission, right because he plants the flag,

1001
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,239
which is funny because, like you
said, Kirk, this was before

1002
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,599
the moon landing when they do that. But I just love that hethn decides

1003
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:15,159
to laugh with this man because he
knows they're not going back and no one's

1004
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:19,920
ever heard this discovery. So he's
just kind of like he is a pest.

1005
00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:22,480
He's I guess he's a realist because
I just feel like the second that

1006
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:24,760
ship crashes, he just accepts they're
dead. You know, even with the

1007
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,559
idea of him saying, oh,
we got three days, he like,

1008
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:30,519
he's just he has a cigar.
He's laughing at the flag because he knows

1009
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:35,679
they're never being found. He just
accepts that they are kind of fucked.

1010
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,360
But he's not doom and gloom about
it. He's just like, well,

1011
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:43,079
I'm just gonna smoke my cigar,
go for my naked showers and enjoy what

1012
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:45,599
I can. And I think what
I like about him as this character,

1013
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:49,239
and I think what it fits is
one I just Charlton Hessen is like my

1014
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,119
favorite because of this movie and other
things. He's my favorite, like old

1015
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:54,000
school classic actor. I love him, the voice, everything. He's just

1016
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:58,280
such a an are about him.
It's like the Nick Cage thing where it's

1017
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,440
like you couldn't you can't teach anyone
be like Charlton Heston. He just has

1018
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,719
something about him where it's like he
got it. But what I Love is.

1019
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:07,639
He to me is a mixture of
like what the apes were talking about,

1020
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:08,880
what we talk about, where like
not all men are bad and not

1021
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:12,840
all men are good. There's times
where he says things that are crass.

1022
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,079
He's kind of an asshole, but
he still means well, like he doesn't

1023
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:19,199
have to try and save Nova,
but he does. So that's where it's

1024
01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:22,280
just like I think he's the perfect
embodiment of what a man is because if

1025
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,519
you just got a guy that's all
goody two shoe, it's like, okay,

1026
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:29,000
yeah, all men are good and
fighting for But even Tator himself,

1027
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,000
he's kind of like a gray area
character. He's kind of a prick,

1028
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:34,880
you know, and like multiple times
like Zero's like, Okay, we're gonna

1029
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,440
do this, don't do this,
and then he's holding Zius a gunpoint later

1030
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:42,039
when he like agreed not to do
that, and he's literally like to tell

1031
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,360
I love that line, tell them
to send down horses, animals, water,

1032
01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:49,880
and then like or what or I'll
shoot him? Like he's like like

1033
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,119
like he'll just he's gonna execute Zero's
in front of everybody. He's not even

1034
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:55,760
trying to be diplomatic. So that's
what I think he's like a perfect representation

1035
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,800
for this movie to kind of get
a human that's somewhat in the that you

1036
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,639
like. But at the same time, I think everyone would acknowledge that he

1037
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,480
might be a piece of shit,
you know, like you're rooting for him

1038
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,440
because he's man, but there's something
off about him. And yeah, great

1039
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:12,719
job by Hassen. Heston's just just
fucking phenomenal. I don't know how many

1040
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,679
more Hesson retrospectives we're gonna do on
this, but I hope in the future

1041
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,400
we when we've gone through so much
stuff, we do like ban Her,

1042
01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:21,280
like there's so much stuff. But
yeah, I'm a big fan of the

1043
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,519
Taylor character where you know, that's
a big issue with the Tim Burton remake.

1044
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:29,519
You know yet yet Charlton Heston and
all of them thought, you know

1045
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:32,559
what, Mark Wahlberg, that's a
good substitute to put versus Charles Heston.

1046
01:01:32,719 --> 01:01:37,679
Oh Man casting director missed the mark
on that one. So excited to get

1047
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:40,800
there. Oh yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, anything else on Taylor or

1048
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,440
move somewhere else. I took a
quick look because I was curious about like

1049
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,239
what their mission was, and yeah, there is that mention of you know,

1050
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,920
she was going to be our eve. Yeah. Every seems like people

1051
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:57,679
like translated the novelization from Spanish and
found that it was just they mentioned loosely

1052
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:02,920
the distance between Alpha Centauri and Beetle
Juice and so they're different distances. But

1053
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:08,000
it was purely just exploration. Oh
there's a lot of mentions too, I

1054
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:14,239
think from Taylor where just to get
away from like the men of this generation

1055
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:16,639
and whatever they were going to would
be like seven hundred years in the future

1056
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:19,840
or something like that. So yeah, because he says at the beginning,

1057
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,960
right, the people that send us
will all be dead, you know,

1058
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,119
so and he and he's like it
sounds like he hates these people. He's

1059
01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:29,440
like these asholes, you know,
all they gone by time when you get

1060
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:30,719
back, Like, I just want
to know, like what was the day

1061
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,760
to day life of George Taylor.
You're just like, how to be here?

1062
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,880
He's happy? What was his interactions? And that means he if it

1063
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,880
was his exploration, he definitely was
gonna fox Stewart, like he had that

1064
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:45,840
completely in mind that that was gonna
happen, So he was trying to get

1065
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,119
in there. That's how they broke
the glass. Yeah, he was the

1066
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:51,519
first one to notice it. Yeah, and that's such a great reveal too.

1067
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:53,199
I love that sound whatever they use. It's like the ships crash.

1068
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:57,000
They're all like waking up, they
got their hair and everything, and then

1069
01:02:57,039 --> 01:03:00,000
they look at it and just like
that, it's like like it almost like

1070
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:02,320
like a kettle going off and yeah, yeah, it's just like off setting

1071
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:07,079
again. Even the beginning, it's
like ships crashing, you've lost a crewmate.

1072
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:08,559
Why they like mummified. We know
why because it been gone so for

1073
01:03:08,639 --> 01:03:12,679
so long. When they get outside, there's like nothing, it just rocks.

1074
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,719
What is this plant? So already
in the first like ten minutes of

1075
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:17,840
that landing, you're getting hit also
so much like what the hell is this

1076
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,760
place? You know, and like
their mission just is going to shit,

1077
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,880
like right away, like there's no
there's no like landing, get getting your

1078
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,519
beacon ready. It's just like,
hey, we have three days to survive.

1079
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:31,920
Let's just see what happens. And
I it's funny I found actually watching

1080
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:36,559
this there there's a lot of comparisons
to uh, well maybe not a lot.

1081
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:39,639
There are some good comparisons to Interstellar
on just like what their mission even

1082
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:44,280
is, like it sounded like when
they were leaving and it was just the

1083
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:47,559
wars or the world was at war. Uh, Like we're just going out

1084
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:52,320
to a sport to find something better, and like it's it seems like it's

1085
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:57,280
a one way trip. And like
just the fact that they have like uh

1086
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,280
like the similar effect of just how
time works like that, like right away,

1087
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:04,639
like first one minute of the movie, you know that it's been like

1088
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:10,440
thousands of years since they left,
uh for seven months, yeah exactly,

1089
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,400
And like me watching that, I'm
like, man, that's like that's such

1090
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,039
ahead of its time concept. Like
I understand the math was there that they

1091
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:20,960
already understood that, but like to
actually show that in media, it seems

1092
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,679
totally ahead of its time. Because
first time I watched Interstellar, I feel

1093
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:27,000
like that's where it really hit me
of like what that would be like for

1094
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:30,880
space travel. But they already they
already solved it for they're like an hour

1095
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,559
down there, it's like ten years
like geez, you know, but yeah,

1096
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:35,159
and that's where I like to go. Like with Interstellar, that's like

1097
01:04:35,199 --> 01:04:39,360
they got it. They are pitched
to watch the movie like go out there

1098
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,960
to find something that you can bring
back to Earth to help and really it's

1099
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,719
to like find h oh, no, it's they say, to go find

1100
01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:49,000
a new home. But really the
reveal is that no, it's like Earth

1101
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:53,360
is dead and you're just finding a
new Stewart with them. Yeah, yeah,

1102
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,360
exactly. Yeah, the one who
has a boyfriend out there somewhere in

1103
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,199
space. Good idea. But with
McConaughey, he gets brought there because he's

1104
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:01,559
the only guy that can do it
or the best. Right, That's why

1105
01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:04,400
his family, That's why I wonder
what these three people. And even like

1106
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,719
Land doesn't mention as a family,
we go, oh, why is George

1107
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:10,960
Taylor there? That's probably why right
off, Like he has no family.

1108
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:14,639
Maybe people don't like him, but
it's one of these things of like he's

1109
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:16,840
a guy like it probably you didn't
find too many people wanting to agree to

1110
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,320
do this mission, right, It's
like you are going like like your entire

1111
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,000
bloodline, everyone you know is gonna
be gone, and then something like your

1112
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:28,599
grandkids grandkids could be gone, you
know. So it's just like he does

1113
01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:31,880
strike me as the guy he doesn't
have much like bonds with people on Earth,

1114
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,000
so he go, I'll do it, Like that's where I think he

1115
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:38,559
fits and dodge he saw about signs. We didn't know much about Stewart,

1116
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,559
and then, like I said,
kind of insinuates that Landon's doing it for

1117
01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:45,519
like to be like a historical figure. And then he just rubbed it in

1118
01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:49,079
his face at the worst time,
like you got your worst Lando. He

1119
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,519
mentions though that like he's ready to
die, so at least he accepted that

1120
01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:56,480
point of the mission. You know, I think you have to when you

1121
01:05:56,519 --> 01:05:58,920
when you go on a mission for
that wise, and then once your ship

1122
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,440
crashes right when you right when you're
on this little boat and you're just in

1123
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,480
the water, it's like you got
to accept your dead like there's nothing.

1124
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,239
And this one I was gonna ask, this is just a sci fi thing,

1125
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:14,159
and because maybe they wouldn't tell us
astronauts don't get given guns when they

1126
01:06:14,199 --> 01:06:16,199
go to space, do they?
Or is that something we wouldn't know?

1127
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:23,480
Why would they need a gun?
Because what if? Because what if you

1128
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:26,559
land on a planet and like this, like what if the people of the

1129
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:29,519
moon. Do you think they didn't
have a gun? Because like what if

1130
01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:32,800
they land on the moon, and
but what if there was fucking anything like

1131
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:38,920
anything? You defend yourself right right
off the hop they would not let public

1132
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,199
people know about something. That's what
I mean, right, we would know

1133
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,400
as something they I'm sure they would
have guns, but they would know and

1134
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,039
they prepare them for that. But
in our state of being and what we

1135
01:06:48,159 --> 01:06:50,400
know, know, anyone that goes
to the ISS, I know what's going

1136
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:55,360
to space. They're not packing guns. They're packing food supplies and all that

1137
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,440
kind of thing. I think they're
landing though, right like they're if they're

1138
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,280
like landing on Mars, not public
not public knowledge for sure, but I

1139
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,719
I feel like they would, but
it would be different. I feel like,

1140
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,119
and I'm pretty sure they did this
in that clover Field movie where there

1141
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:12,119
was in space and they had a
three D printer and they just three D

1142
01:07:12,159 --> 01:07:14,280
printed like the gun and stuff like
that, and they do that in the

1143
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,079
movie. But yeah, some I
just like, you'd have to have some

1144
01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:20,440
form of combat, right like,
because I know we're being like more like

1145
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,039
what out there and you wouldn't know, but we don't fucking know what's out

1146
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:26,320
there. So like let's say they
decid, Hey, some people are gonna

1147
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,239
go land on Mars. You're gonna
tell me you're gonna agree and knockle on

1148
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:35,320
Mars with a weapon anything. Hey, there you go. So apparently apparently

1149
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,400
they did have guns actually, like
it was part of their survival kit,

1150
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:43,760
right, like a very like all
in one sort of weapon. And that

1151
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,519
was the no I'm talking about like
the Apollo mission. Yeah, like it

1152
01:07:46,639 --> 01:07:49,920
like it was an actual thing that
they had and there like the cosmonauts,

1153
01:07:50,519 --> 01:07:55,360
like the Russians, Yeah, the
Russian okay, yeah, well of course

1154
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,159
Russians. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're ready for aliens. Yeah,

1155
01:07:59,199 --> 01:08:01,280
we're gonna take over. I guarantee
you. I would hear that they have

1156
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,880
them. They just wouldn't tell us, but I would because like I would

1157
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,199
have that question. Even if you
don't think it's like what if we land

1158
01:08:06,199 --> 01:08:09,800
on this planet, there's anything,
even if it's not like intelligent life like

1159
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,440
some sort of animal, like,
we don't know what's fucking out there's galaxies

1160
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,800
and plants. Again, I think
if anyone thinks we're just like the only

1161
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,000
species out there, only planets,
like that's that's not a pot Like I

1162
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,880
think you're living on a fucking dreamland
there. So it's like if I was

1163
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,840
landing on a planet and you're telling
me to go plant the flag, I

1164
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,880
want something even as the fucking sword, like I need something. So that

1165
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:30,600
was the first time I thought about
that when he said we have a bolt

1166
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:36,000
with twenty pistols or fuck how one
bowl at twenty pistols? New technology?

1167
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:39,760
Yeah, no, when we have
he says, we have a pistol at

1168
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,319
twenty rounds. It's just like that's
the first time we clicked, and I

1169
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:45,279
was like, yeah, they must
do that and not tell us, because

1170
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,720
if you were landing somewhere, I'd
want something. I would not just want

1171
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,560
to be like, yeah, let's
hope for the best, you know,

1172
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:55,479
because I feel like when Taylor sees
like the gorillas of the guns and stuff,

1173
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,439
or at least if he got a
look at the gun and he could

1174
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,079
deduce something like you know what this
is, you know, not like this

1175
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:04,880
is like a specific name brand two
thousand years later, but at least like

1176
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:10,039
you could look at the simularities like
Smith and West. Yeah, doctor,

1177
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:13,840
it's like my favorite. But the
gun, we don't know what happens,

1178
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,840
right, because a gun that just
the people say like they take their stuff

1179
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,560
and they I guess just lost it
in the woods or corn right, because

1180
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,319
they don't talk about the gun,
so they just got their stuff robbed.

1181
01:09:24,119 --> 01:09:26,960
Yeah, yeah, that would have
been an interesting part if they actually found

1182
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,439
it, right, because it would
have been very different from their guns in

1183
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,000
the field. Just Dodge Lennon Hasten
just shooting down all these fucking Indiana Jones

1184
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:41,560
scene. Fucking what what is?
What does the guy say to the plane?

1185
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:45,720
I can't remember? Yeah, oh
you fucking savages. Yeah yeah,

1186
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:51,960
that's you're damn dirty sandwich. You're
down dirty babboons. Got a fucking MG

1187
01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:58,359
for just murders all the gorillas.
And again I was joking about this,

1188
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,199
but on the thing like with Taylor, like they kind of make his character

1189
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:03,880
like be like a racists. Like
I said, he like calls them bat

1190
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:08,000
boons multiple Times's like an insult and
clearly they're not bad boons, but like

1191
01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:11,479
that's the way Taraka is just like
fuck these monkeys that got me locked up,

1192
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:15,279
Like I'm gonna get at them and
stuff. But again, requisite for

1193
01:10:15,319 --> 01:10:17,479
becoming an astronaut is knowing your monkey. I guess right, he didn't know.

1194
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:25,479
He just knows babboons. They're all
landed on the plenet of baboons.

1195
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:30,920
This is that's a chimp. Ah. But yeah, and yeah, great

1196
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,560
another great reviews. We know he
could speak, but that seems office is

1197
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,920
a classic like Terror's name. But
it's just like, first of all,

1198
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:40,560
the chase scene is great all through
again that music because like I love to

1199
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,600
like they use this like suspense music, but it's also mixing with like kind

1200
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,000
of monkey sounds and that's great,
you know, because it's just like there's

1201
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,680
monkeys all around, but everything of
when he's running through. I love that

1202
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:53,880
they have great reveal of Dodge when
they have the Museum of Humans and they

1203
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,159
like have this all there, so
it's all the reflecting. They just show

1204
01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:59,520
humans as like savages, like they're
killing each other's rocks and stuff, which

1205
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,840
is like not too far from the
history and some recommendations. But he got

1206
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:09,479
like the one chimpanzee with their kid
and they're like taking the show and stuff.

1207
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,039
And yeah, well at the end
when he's just trying to get everyone

1208
01:11:12,039 --> 01:11:16,479
in the thrown nets everywhere and just
like stinking on your damn Darty and just

1209
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,159
like everybody just shocked, and such
a great moment, you know, I

1210
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:26,520
love. I love that entire sequence
honestly because like just when he's going through

1211
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,039
the city and in my mind I'm
like, where the fuck is he gonna

1212
01:11:29,079 --> 01:11:31,119
go? And if anybody sees him, he's so obvious like a human that's

1213
01:11:31,159 --> 01:11:35,000
running around, but like from the
apes perspective, because they're just like regular

1214
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:39,840
people, like they're like terrified of
seeing this like loose human like on the

1215
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,720
go. So that was a fun
little take, and uh yeah, I

1216
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,800
love the Museum of Humans. I
love how the scene ends, obviously,

1217
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,479
but I also just love when he
like goes through that church and they're doing

1218
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,520
like the what would you call it, just the s or whatever? I

1219
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,399
guess, so yeah, because they're
talking about man and a yes and stuff,

1220
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,800
well yeah, like they're they're God
and how it's like like he's he's

1221
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,399
just so many parallels to like what
what would be said in like your own

1222
01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:06,640
little classic Christian church. So I
just loved how put it in light that

1223
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:12,359
like any type of society that's like
cognizant of life, like I feel like

1224
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:15,640
they would actually have some sort of
deity, like you can even go back

1225
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,399
to look at just like old the
olden times of like the hunter gatherers,

1226
01:12:18,399 --> 01:12:21,079
like they had their little gods that
they worship. Because as soon as you

1227
01:12:21,119 --> 01:12:25,079
think of like what we are like
you got to imagine, Okay, what's

1228
01:12:25,119 --> 01:12:29,640
out there and who put us here? So I just liked the similarities there,

1229
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,199
and yeah, I mean better better
on originals on that, you know,

1230
01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:35,560
because there's so much to talk about
what that sort of stuff, because

1231
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:40,520
that that is fascinating. It's just
like is that because there's stuff out there

1232
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,840
that makes you believe? Or is
that just because it's each generation as a

1233
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,840
society. It's like that classics in
our source code or source code, like

1234
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,439
no one wants to believe, like
whatever your religion is, no one ever

1235
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,279
wants to believe that you just live
die and then when you die, it

1236
01:12:54,399 --> 01:12:57,039
lights out and that's it, you
know, because that's like the most scary

1237
01:12:57,039 --> 01:12:59,600
thing to think about, Like that's
it. It's just like what's the point,

1238
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,520
right, that's the argument there,
right, And it's like like and

1239
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,119
then it's like what literally happens when
you do die? Because it's just like

1240
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:08,479
you're just your mind's gone. That's
why each society whether that's a good thing

1241
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,359
or bad, and people could agree, you almost have to. That's like

1242
01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:14,079
that's like almost like a hive mind
that lots of people do, like there

1243
01:13:14,079 --> 01:13:16,680
has to be something else out there
if we if we did that, I'd

1244
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,720
have to see if put put an
invite out to Reuben because we've talked about

1245
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:25,159
that in cryptoclues so many times.
Oh no, he's got a good like

1246
01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:28,279
maybe a baseline to start on that
topic. He just has like a he's

1247
01:13:28,279 --> 01:13:33,960
a cart full bibles. He's like
pushing through and everything. It's got scripture

1248
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:41,439
written on his chest like a tattoo. Oh the kids love this one.

1249
01:13:44,039 --> 01:13:47,920
What else? What else we want
to touch upon with this? The character

1250
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:53,319
of Nova, I like, I
it's it's kind of funny now just looking

1251
01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:58,800
at her because especially if these are
just like cave people, she's got like

1252
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:03,479
makeup on. She's like the one
standout of like all of these like cave

1253
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:08,520
people. She's just like looking fucking
nice. And I found it pretty funny.

1254
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,039
It was all over it, oh
yeah right away, and like Xyra's

1255
01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:14,199
decision, like she doesn't even explain
it. She's just like, yeah,

1256
01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:16,920
I brought your gift. And then
you find out like later on through the

1257
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,760
guards, like yeah, she wants
him to mate with him. And it's

1258
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:26,199
just like, I don't think I
really needed that character at all in this

1259
01:14:26,279 --> 01:14:29,359
movie, like looking back on it, because she really doesn't serve much other

1260
01:14:29,399 --> 01:14:36,560
than just helping his sanity because he's
oh yeah, they're always laying on each

1261
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,880
other on that cage, which I
kind of like is the almost post him

1262
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,279
as like lions, you know,
like the way lions just lay on each

1263
01:14:42,319 --> 01:14:45,680
other like for warmth. Maybe too, they don't blankets. It makes sense,

1264
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:54,720
good spray down, it's always no
towels. Flay. It was a

1265
01:14:54,920 --> 01:15:00,319
mad house. What do you what
are you doing in this situation? Let's

1266
01:15:00,359 --> 01:15:03,920
say like we all we all crash
and then you see like me and Kirkland

1267
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,520
die, and then the same question
for you, Kirk, me and Travis

1268
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,760
dye and then you're in this cage
you can't really talk. And then these

1269
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:14,640
monkeys just throwing a woman here.
Oh I'm I'm getting here. I think

1270
01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:19,079
I'm just slapping those cheeks. First
of all, the plants will slap your

1271
01:15:19,079 --> 01:15:23,359
guys cheeks if you survive, you
know. The Second of all, no,

1272
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,199
I just first of all, I
got lots of all the balls here.

1273
01:15:27,319 --> 01:15:30,000
The apes constantly talk about and it
could be because they're humans and apes,

1274
01:15:30,119 --> 01:15:34,800
but they talk about how the humans
fucking smell real bad. So it's

1275
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:39,640
like your idea might be to smell
like clap the cheeks. But it might

1276
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,399
Oh it would be disgusting, it
would be, but you'd be like,

1277
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:46,760
let's make down. Then you'd be
like make the whole noise that down before

1278
01:15:47,359 --> 01:15:49,960
and you're like all clean. That's
a good point. Yeah, get the

1279
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:55,359
spot, get this spot. Yeah
oh yeah, yeah, there's a good

1280
01:15:55,359 --> 01:15:59,840
point. But also like in this
situation, like it's like my planet's fourth

1281
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:02,720
years dead, like or two thousand
whatever. It was like everyone that I

1282
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,239
know is dead. I'm I'm completely
stuck here. I'm marooned. I have

1283
01:16:06,319 --> 01:16:10,640
nothing else here, I'm captured.
Like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1284
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,640
get some in I'm probably gonna get
some super diseases. I'm gonna get some

1285
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,399
super diseases. I'm sure. I
think where I'm coming from though, is

1286
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,359
you think that? But I think
you'd have to be in the situation because

1287
01:16:20,079 --> 01:16:25,520
I think my issue with going forward
with it is just like how much Nova

1288
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:30,159
might not be there, Like is
it that of like is it you taking

1289
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:32,680
advantage? Now? Clearly Nova is
like interested, but just like they have

1290
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,880
like like is there can you consent? Like I guess you'd have to wait,

1291
01:16:38,359 --> 01:16:41,039
I personally would have to wait for
Nova to make the first move.

1292
01:16:41,119 --> 01:16:43,279
I could never make the first move. Like if she just comes to and

1293
01:16:43,319 --> 01:16:46,199
grabs the cock and then it's like, okay, I squish that thing right

1294
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:49,760
off. You're like sex with stra
but like you know, like if there's

1295
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,720
some sort you pick up on something
where it's like this is consentual, yes,

1296
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,279
because if not, it just feels
like she's a drunk girl from a

1297
01:16:56,319 --> 01:16:59,960
bar and you're like, yeah,
she's like Nova, open mouth, Like

1298
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,399
he's just like the way he's speaking
to her, she doesn't know which he

1299
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,920
does. Like he's trying to teach
her, And that's why I think he

1300
01:17:06,119 --> 01:17:15,720
is the whole office It is no
no, but I mean no no on

1301
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,920
George Taylor's behalf to defend him.
The whole movie is trying to teach her

1302
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,800
how to speak and do things right. Yeah, he's not like and I

1303
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:25,119
actually attribute the movie that I'm glad
they didn't throw in some sexy and know

1304
01:17:25,159 --> 01:17:28,119
about the book they easily could have, because I think that's better. Of

1305
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:30,720
Like, I feel like he is
trying to he's with her and he like

1306
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:35,079
has some attraction to her, and
like did they even kiss? I don't

1307
01:17:35,119 --> 01:17:39,039
think so, Right, he kisses
zero. But yeah, like so that's

1308
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:42,520
where I kind of take it that
route to where he's like, of course

1309
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,279
it's something that's maybe on his mind, but he does want her to evolve

1310
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:49,039
to like he's more interested in that. And that's what makes Taylor a very

1311
01:17:49,039 --> 01:17:53,079
interesting character where you could just make
him that he's just there to plow,

1312
01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:56,079
but he's not. He's constantly trying
to like no Va, and he's trying

1313
01:17:56,079 --> 01:18:00,560
to say up and like he's trying
to communicate with her. So that's where

1314
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,359
for me, I would have to
wait till she learns a bit more and

1315
01:18:02,359 --> 01:18:05,039
gets some sort of cause the way
they pose in this movie, they're fucking

1316
01:18:05,079 --> 01:18:09,600
like, look they are saying they
are the equivalent to a bottomized human,

1317
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,600
you know, Like that's what they're
saying. Landin can be lobottomized and look

1318
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,439
like he's with the rest of them. I personally couldn't get on with a

1319
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,359
the bottomized person. So that's right, I mean jokes aside. I feel

1320
01:18:19,399 --> 01:18:26,600
like in reality, in reality here
he's canceled put them on front Street.

1321
01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:35,199
Yeah speak, we got him in
reality though, Like if this is the

1322
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:39,359
case, if I go to a
planet and like, let's say this actually

1323
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,439
is Earth, Like it is the
exact same situation, and we have these

1324
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:46,000
like cave people that are like lobottomized
humans. I feel like in reality they

1325
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,840
are gonna be closer to like what
Neanderthals are, which like they don't like

1326
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:55,359
they're super fucking bulky and muscular,
Like I would be terrified even though near

1327
01:18:55,399 --> 01:18:58,079
them, let alone locked in a
cage with Nova, Like, there's a

1328
01:18:58,079 --> 01:19:00,439
good chance that she just beats the
shit out of me in there because she's

1329
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,520
like she is like a wild animal. Right, Hey, there's not fucking

1330
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:08,000
Nova. Nova's fucking him. Yeah, Like it could be that route and

1331
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,000
then yeah, like I feel like
it would be although they are somewhat like

1332
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,439
a human, I just think it
would be like a completely different species or

1333
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,119
like homo homo genus or whatever.
So like I feel like the attraction would

1334
01:19:18,199 --> 01:19:23,359
just not be there, like at
all all. But and also like I

1335
01:19:23,359 --> 01:19:25,840
feel like I have bigger things on
my mind in that moment than just being

1336
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,399
horny in a cage, Like I
talk like I am about to die here.

1337
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,640
Yeah, like I'm starving, I'm
getting hosed every twenty minutes by this

1338
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,479
fucking gorilla. If I'm getting hosed
every tiny minutes, been shrawn the neck,

1339
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,600
and apes can talk. I don't
know if I can get hard,

1340
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:42,119
that's gonna be something like your mind. Your mind's gonna be raising about these

1341
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:45,800
fucking monks any anytime I'd be about
to do something like fucking apes can talk.

1342
01:19:46,399 --> 01:19:48,479
Yeah, I think that would be
another thing too, though. Just

1343
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:53,119
terrify me is them just like shit
talking to me in the cage, likes

1344
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:57,199
beat me with the club. They'd
be watching you nova, could you get

1345
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:02,159
another way? Monkeys way? Come
on? Do it like nos? Just

1346
01:20:02,279 --> 01:20:12,439
ready? Yeah, not inside.
We don't want no mating yet. Oh

1347
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,640
anyways on that route, I think
that just feels like I'm not sure if

1348
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,279
she's in the book, and that
just feels like such a classic like movie

1349
01:20:18,279 --> 01:20:23,039
singer, there's always like a female
like a love interest sort of protagonist,

1350
01:20:23,119 --> 01:20:26,439
and you're right. Other than her
accidentally squishing the doll, she doesn't do

1351
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,000
much. I think that's where I
think the only thing she does is,

1352
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,960
yes, he does kind of push
backhand or once, so that's not great.

1353
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,399
It is for the stake of his
life because he was spelling and she

1354
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:39,079
goes the fuck of all the shit, So I understand why he was mad

1355
01:20:39,079 --> 01:20:42,119
in that moment, but I think
that's the that's the reason she's there,

1356
01:20:42,199 --> 01:20:45,359
is to show a softer side of
him, because most of them he's a

1357
01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:47,159
badass or a prick, and he
is, like I think when he's talking

1358
01:20:47,239 --> 01:20:49,600
with zero nice. But I think
this is later on the movie, when

1359
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:54,640
he's trying to teach her. It
shows that there is a soft side to

1360
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,159
Tailor and he could be a good
guy and he's trying to look out and

1361
01:20:58,199 --> 01:21:01,119
he doesn't have to take right.
Zer literally says you're leaving her behind,

1362
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:03,720
and he says, I'm not.
I'm not going unless I have her.

1363
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,479
So I think that's the purpose she
serves at least, just to show,

1364
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:11,279
Okay, there is a good guy
somewhere in there. So that that's why

1365
01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:13,520
I'd say for the rest of plot, not much, but just show Okay,

1366
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,560
he he's decent, that he's decent
with women. I guess, yeah,

1367
01:21:18,279 --> 01:21:21,560
ah, that always I shouldn't say
it cracks me up. But just

1368
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:27,000
when he's trying to like spell out
stuff and she's fow she gets fucking livid.

1369
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,119
Credit to the other guy, idiot. Credit to the other guy.

1370
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:32,920
He saw her push that woman he's
like, I'm gonna fight Taylor. It's

1371
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,000
like a flying double kick on him. Yeah, he's ready to go.

1372
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:40,399
And that's what I mean though,
Like I feel like that early subspecies of

1373
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:44,119
human, like like we're soft and
fleshy compared to you know, our ancestors

1374
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:47,279
where they just lived in the fucking
wilderness, all muscle, like just fucking

1375
01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:51,920
leather cos lockhart all the time.
The weapons, their weapons, they're not

1376
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:57,039
used for pleasure weapons. Yeah,
they skullfucked you, all right, but

1377
01:21:57,079 --> 01:22:00,880
to take I think right then and
there, like that other ape human is

1378
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,760
just gonna fucking kill me, like
with their with their fist, just beat

1379
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,520
the shit out of me. So
he doesn't win that fight. He gets

1380
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,720
saved right from the other apes.
They separate him, so it's not like

1381
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,720
he wins the fight. He got
smart. He came out smart. That's

1382
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,159
what I love. When the apes
are chasing at one point and he runs

1383
01:22:14,199 --> 01:22:16,479
across that log to make the apes
like fucking like hit the log with the

1384
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,880
net. That's what I like.
Like the apes can't get them for a

1385
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:23,079
while because they're just like why like
this is my headcamp, but they're kind

1386
01:22:23,079 --> 01:22:25,520
of like why is he like moving
like this like human's usual move, like

1387
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,600
they just run straight you know,
where he's like zigging in his egg and

1388
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,439
so yeah, I definitely too,
like getting back to his escape scene when

1389
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,039
initially I'm like, why are these
apes like freaking out of him? But

1390
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:39,640
like you also got to think about
that as well, that like they wouldn't

1391
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:44,159
be very uh like they're they're probably
pretty soft compared to like what a regular

1392
01:22:44,199 --> 01:22:46,640
ape would be, right because an
apes living in the wilderness and they're swinging

1393
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,640
on vines where these ones like they
probably got a dishwasher in their home,

1394
01:22:50,039 --> 01:22:55,000
like they they probably pay taxes,
all these things. Like like they're very

1395
01:22:55,119 --> 01:23:00,000
separated from the savage ape that we've
know, So that's always an interesting concept.

1396
01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:03,920
Although they look menacine with just their
different face I guess and everything,

1397
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:09,760
but like they're there and like human
like to your point, they're using horses

1398
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:13,199
to get around, they're using clubs
and guns. They're not usually using their

1399
01:23:13,239 --> 01:23:16,000
brute force and hoses. So it
is the reverse where Okay, they are

1400
01:23:16,079 --> 01:23:19,239
apes and they are a bit more
stronger some facets, but they're not using

1401
01:23:19,239 --> 01:23:23,880
those muscles. They're being like humans, right, So yeah, it's good

1402
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:29,279
observation anything else before we do trivia. Any other points you want to shout

1403
01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:31,920
there, take a look at my
notes. I got one. You probably

1404
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,880
have it, but in case you
don't have one thing of trivia that goes

1405
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:39,319
in hand in hand with like the
conversation we had prior with Nova and Taylor.

1406
01:23:39,399 --> 01:23:42,640
So we'll see if you have it
already though. Okay, the two

1407
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,279
things I have just I think we
already talked about. I love the line

1408
01:23:45,279 --> 01:23:48,039
that's your house when he's like,
I'm gonna kiss you now, and didn't

1409
01:23:48,039 --> 01:23:50,880
she just go? But you're so
damned ugly, Like I love, like

1410
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:55,479
it's such a great delivery by Kim
Hunter, Like it's just that's I love

1411
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,840
that to them, like these humans
look disgusting, like it's not even and

1412
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:02,640
even like when Corney is if it's
hit who the little guy is that that's

1413
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,880
Zero's brother, right, I think
that's your like nephew or cousin. Okay,

1414
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:10,319
yeah. I love when he shaves
and he just thinks he looks like

1415
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,159
so Ugly's like why would you do
that? He's like, well, where

1416
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:15,319
I'm from, some people consider those
good looking. He's like, you look

1417
01:24:15,399 --> 01:24:18,439
quite foolish now, like they just
think he looks like an idiot without no

1418
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,640
hair. So and shout out to
Roddy McDowell. I love obviously. He

1419
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:26,039
popped up a lot in this franchise. We haven't really talked about the performances

1420
01:24:26,039 --> 01:24:28,840
of all Gapes are great. I
love Zius, love Zero, Cornelia.

1421
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:30,760
He's my favorite one. I love
Cornelius so much. I'm happy to talk.

1422
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,239
Like I think we can tell about
more when in the other movies because

1423
01:24:33,239 --> 01:24:38,000
he's in he's in a couple and
then he reprises the role or he did

1424
01:24:38,079 --> 01:24:41,720
he comes back as a different eight
too, but just so great that three

1425
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,239
together, really good, and they're
I like, they have lines of like

1426
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:47,199
they don't believe him on some things. They are stern, but they are

1427
01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:49,520
still friendly and kind of with us. They're not just right like, oh,

1428
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,840
we love you human and we're here
with you the end. Like they

1429
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:56,720
have shades too, Like all these
characters are not just for like i'd say,

1430
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,720
you know those two Zious and then
you so you've got Taylor. They're

1431
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:04,000
not just straightforward characters. All characters
kind of have some gray around them.

1432
01:25:04,039 --> 01:25:08,439
So I really like that. Yeah, but Cornelius is great, even like

1433
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,239
the President of the Assembly, like
he's not in it much. But like

1434
01:25:11,279 --> 01:25:15,000
in that trial sequence, I just
love all again, all the the the

1435
01:25:15,039 --> 01:25:17,479
acting of the actors beneath the mask
and everything. But I feel like they

1436
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:21,199
go the extra mile because like when
they when they when they break away from

1437
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:25,159
that that courtroom, like they're walking
away, like they're trying to show like

1438
01:25:25,159 --> 01:25:29,199
they're they're kind of walking like little
little monkey people. So I just great

1439
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,319
attention to detail from everyone. Like
the extras as well. I thought they

1440
01:25:31,359 --> 01:25:36,119
did a good job just just looking
like like monkey people, Like they got

1441
01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:40,239
the outfits on and everything, but
I just felt like there was more to

1442
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:45,239
just how they looked to make me
believe, and just yeah, I was.

1443
01:25:45,279 --> 01:25:47,840
I was very impressed honestly with all
like the line delivery of every little

1444
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,800
character here and there. It just
it's I don't know, like I don't

1445
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:56,720
watch much old movies like this,
but it's just it's it's pretty crazy to

1446
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,960
look at what it is now and
now we're just flooded with so much content

1447
01:26:00,079 --> 01:26:02,800
that you can definitely kind of cheat
and get behind with some maybe some lesser

1448
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,560
performance or some some filler character that
oh, no, one's going to really

1449
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:12,600
focus on this one. But I
just think that there's so many extra movie

1450
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,159
pieces in this that just make it
so much better and make it feel very

1451
01:26:15,159 --> 01:26:18,880
believable. Even though this is a
movie from the nineteen sixties, it feels

1452
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:23,600
dated in some aspects of like what
they can do with the technology, but

1453
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,319
it really does hold up, and
it is crazy that it is. Would

1454
01:26:27,359 --> 01:26:30,000
you say, sixty seventy years old
now, So yeah, just just wild.

1455
01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:32,640
It's dated in that way where it's
like, oh, it's dated because

1456
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:34,840
this is as much as they could
do, not in the way where sometimes

1457
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,399
movies get made day and you're like, this feels dated, like it feels

1458
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,520
like it should not be of this
generation, right, and in the worst

1459
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,680
ways possible. This is like this
feels like the peak of what they could

1460
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,680
do, and they did it really
well. So and the last night I

1461
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:48,840
had we kind of talked about it
a little bit, but I just really

1462
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:53,039
love at the end when they read
about like the Scripture of Man and they

1463
01:26:53,079 --> 01:26:55,479
go down this whole thing of like
Corneil's Rood's like, man, we'll kill

1464
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,239
one another, man, we'll doom
mus and stuff, And I just love

1465
01:26:58,319 --> 01:27:00,600
that line from his eyes and he's
like and I've through all my I'm paraphrase,

1466
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,000
but everyone's just like, through all
my years, I've seen nothing that

1467
01:27:03,039 --> 01:27:06,640
would dispute that. And it's great
too because as Cornelis is reading that again,

1468
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:10,560
when you talk about today stuff,
it's like there's things in that scripture

1469
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,399
that hasn't changed. It still happens
today, and you kind of think like

1470
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:15,439
that should have been a lesson that, oh, we should be in a

1471
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,319
better spot where it's like back then
they weren't and we aren't anymore. So

1472
01:27:18,359 --> 01:27:21,520
it's just like and then that's where
the last part is, like I think

1473
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:25,039
I'm on size the side a bit
here where it's like, you know what,

1474
01:27:25,119 --> 01:27:27,880
they got a good thing going maybe
just it's a lot. It's kind

1475
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,119
of like the Dark Knight thing,
right of like you're living in a lie,

1476
01:27:30,279 --> 01:27:31,560
but if the lie is better to
living, do you keep living in

1477
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,319
it? Well? Right, right, it's the matrix same thing. So

1478
01:27:34,359 --> 01:27:36,720
it's like, yeah, they could
find more about man, but if these

1479
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:40,479
apes are doing their thing, it's
like why should they bend the knee?

1480
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,039
And same thing when they read the
scripture, like they're not wrong about any

1481
01:27:43,039 --> 01:27:45,520
of this stuff that man does in
other and it's a great speech, so

1482
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,039
uh yeah, good, good,
stuff there, and uh, obviously,

1483
01:27:48,119 --> 01:27:54,560
and I really love to when the
fake out when Taylor pretends he gets shot,

1484
01:27:54,600 --> 01:28:00,239
I'm like cornel Leiss Sarah, I'm
die, she's like the most obvious,

1485
01:28:00,359 --> 01:28:02,920
Like, Okay, this guy's not
shot, but the show's like Zius,

1486
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,600
who's like that. I said,
we got fucking get another one down.

1487
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:11,520
They're not finding a secret. And
then he gets fucking choke hold.

1488
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:15,479
But all right, just do some
trivia here for playings. Let me just

1489
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,039
pull it up here, so I
would say, and like what Kirkan was

1490
01:28:18,039 --> 01:28:20,319
talking about, I didn't put it
all, but if you want to go

1491
01:28:20,319 --> 01:28:24,359
down being read about the makeup,
lots of stuff about the makeup and how

1492
01:28:24,399 --> 01:28:27,600
the production was and stuff. So
if you have interest, tons of stuff

1493
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,560
there, lots of facts. During
breaks and the filming, actors made up

1494
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:34,560
as of groups of different apes and
species tended to hang out together gorillas with

1495
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:38,800
grills or ranu tangs with rain tanks, chips with chips. It wasn't required,

1496
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,840
it just naturally happened. So I'm
not sure if it was like certain

1497
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:45,000
like makeup things or whatever, but
that is kind of like a funny even

1498
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,560
study on set, just to see
that they kind of broke up and like,

1499
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:50,680
oh you're you're grilled. Yeah,
me too. Uh. At one

1500
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,560
of the first screetings, a woman
walked with Charlie Heston asked how he was

1501
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:59,520
doing. Hessen had no no idea
who the woman was she until she revealed

1502
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,560
that she was kid Hunter. He
didn't recognize her because she had not seen

1503
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,600
her with that makeup those who played
zero, so he had no idea who

1504
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:10,520
she was. And then God,
I just would love who are you?

1505
01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:15,520
Fuck off? I'm Charlton Heston,
I'm here from my premiere. Who are

1506
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,720
you? Oh, Zerra? I
just love. I would have loved to

1507
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:25,039
see in an annoyed to Charlton Heston. So Charlton Heston was sick during much

1508
01:29:25,079 --> 01:29:28,359
of the film with the flu.
Rather than wait for him to get better,

1509
01:29:28,359 --> 01:29:32,199
the producers felt that his horse voice
added something to the character. According

1510
01:29:32,199 --> 01:29:35,439
to Hesson's diary, after filling the
scene which Taylor Noble were forced we separated,

1511
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:39,479
he wrote that he was feeling like
Hell was shooting it because of his

1512
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,720
illness, and felt even worse every
time the damn fire hose hit me.

1513
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,800
So imagine you got this guy with
the flu and like, hey, we're

1514
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,560
gonna shoot this high powered hose at
you. Anybody, you know what what

1515
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:50,399
a champ he went through with it. But yeah, so I guess he

1516
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:54,680
was sick through the majority of this
filming. And they're right about the voice

1517
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:58,119
because it almost adds to that throat
thing. But he just again, great

1518
01:29:58,199 --> 01:30:00,800
voice. Oh fuck off notification.
Don't hate that. When you go to

1519
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,960
click on something and a notevocation comes
at that right moment and then you click

1520
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:10,039
on it, it takes that fucking
worse. Let's see in the original script

1521
01:30:10,079 --> 01:30:12,000
the female Yeah, I told you, we're all bare breasted. But they

1522
01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:15,800
squashed the idea, let's see the
producers film and listened several journalists to play

1523
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,720
background apes. The idea of this
was to get them to write about the

1524
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,079
film. So that was some nice
early marketing on their part that, oh,

1525
01:30:21,119 --> 01:30:25,319
well, if we get these reporters, they'll be writing about it.

1526
01:30:25,359 --> 01:30:28,960
So those reporters were working hard back
in the day. Oh my god,

1527
01:30:29,119 --> 01:30:30,560
to get a story, you gotta
dress up as a fucking ape and a

1528
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:35,800
cheer for makeup hours. My god. John Chambers outstanding makeup effects pioneered this

1529
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:39,399
film, or pioneer in this film. We're based on a technique he had

1530
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,800
used during World War Two to give
this figure veterans a normal appearance. So

1531
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,560
think about that, this guy was
helping World War two vets like when they

1532
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:48,920
got back to look somewhat normal,
decent or just like feel better about themselves.

1533
01:30:49,119 --> 01:30:51,359
And he's that's what you're getting on
this movie as a guy who worked

1534
01:30:51,359 --> 01:30:56,760
on vets on this movie. Make
it look like monkeys and stuff like that

1535
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:02,439
all the vets. Ah put this
mask on in the morning. It's just

1536
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:06,600
a fucking monkey. Yeah, but
you're half your face is back. Uh,

1537
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:10,640
let's see you. We spent many
hours watching apes in the Los Angeles,

1538
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:15,840
studying their facial expressions to do this. So oh boy. When Franklin

1539
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:17,640
Jay Schaeffer came on board, he
was a director. One of his first

1540
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,640
acts was to reimagine the ape society. In the script he was given.

1541
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:25,000
The apes originally lived in a high
tech world. Shafner wanted it to be

1542
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:29,399
more primemitive, and this also helped
reduce costs. Very happy that how happened.

1543
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:31,800
I'm with you, career tumble,
like just outside their society and stuff.

1544
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,399
I there would have been something less
than me if they are all high

1545
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:38,800
tech, because like right away that
scene when he like creates a paper plane

1546
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,359
and they're like, what the fuck, Like, if it's high tech,

1547
01:31:41,399 --> 01:31:44,560
I feel like they wouldn't react that
way we've got playing, So I think

1548
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:46,840
this was the better ruck. Especially
it makes sense if like we got two

1549
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:51,000
points society, nuclear war happened and
then gets reduced and you're like building yourself

1550
01:31:51,039 --> 01:31:54,560
back up, it wouldn't make sense. They were all like a high tech

1551
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,600
like you literally to me, would
start the evolution chain again from the beginning,

1552
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,399
but instead of man rising up,
it's monkeys. So I feel like

1553
01:32:00,399 --> 01:32:02,720
they'd be the same way like we
had Caveman and like the sixteen hundred eighteen

1554
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,479
hundreds, like think about fucking like
just even nineteen hundred and what we can

1555
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,920
do now the tech we have,
right, So I like that it wasn't

1556
01:32:10,039 --> 01:32:13,279
a good call by the director.
Good job Shaeffer, Good job. Yeah,

1557
01:32:13,279 --> 01:32:15,399
I feel like that would have had
so many more plot holes in the

1558
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:19,119
fact that, like his story of
arriving there from space would have been a

1559
01:32:19,119 --> 01:32:21,600
lot more believable because if they're high
tech, they would have done that.

1560
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,319
And also like you would have thought
that if it's high tech, they could

1561
01:32:25,319 --> 01:32:28,920
just like check his DNA and like
confirm all these stories that he's saying,

1562
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,199
lie detect her tests, like all
these technological things that they could have used.

1563
01:32:31,359 --> 01:32:35,359
So I'm very glad that it was
not the case. Yeah, let's

1564
01:32:35,359 --> 01:32:39,960
see. Kim Hunter Report, who
plays Zero, probably found it's so claustrophobic

1565
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:43,520
that she would take Volume each morning
while being made up as Zero. After

1566
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,960
a while, she didn't think she
needed the pills anymore and went into the

1567
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,560
office one day without taking one.
After the morning's makeup sessions, she thought

1568
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:51,960
she did fine, but her makeup
artists threatened to find someone replace him if

1569
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,520
she didn't start taking them again,
as apparently he'd become exhausted with wrestling her

1570
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,279
the whole time. So she's like, yeah, I didn't need any more.

1571
01:32:59,279 --> 01:33:00,880
In the makeup urts like I'm gonna
fucking quit. Yeah, I'm gonna

1572
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:04,640
quit. I love that he's literally
telling the director she needs to take valume

1573
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:08,880
now, So there you know,
they're taking fucking valume just like make sure

1574
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:15,079
this didn't happen. Uh, let's
see here. Oh this is just like

1575
01:33:15,119 --> 01:33:16,279
I don't know why I do this
and just like a fun trivia. Linda

1576
01:33:16,279 --> 01:33:20,600
Harrilson Harrison, who plays Nova,
was having an affair with the producer Richard

1577
01:33:21,119 --> 01:33:26,319
de Zenuk at the time of the
production in the year's film after the film's

1578
01:33:26,319 --> 01:33:28,760
and divorced's first wife, and then
Mary Hudson. The couple were married and

1579
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,840
had two children. So, uh, there you go. So someone was

1580
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:34,840
a like a nova on that said
as well, and then then the last

1581
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:38,880
two Charleton Heston was the first exposed
to Planet eights. Oh, I told

1582
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,039
you this. He didn't like the
book at all, but you thought it

1583
01:33:41,039 --> 01:33:43,760
would make an interesting film, so
he did it. And apparently I don't

1584
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:45,840
know what they were. They didn't
sight so I have to look into it

1585
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:47,600
more. Maybe it's not a DVD. But there are three different endings,

1586
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:50,279
but this ending is the one that
Heston wanted. And as you can see,

1587
01:33:50,279 --> 01:33:53,840
like Heston was from the very beginning. I don't think he has a

1588
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,920
producer credit on this, but it's
very much like, uh, you like

1589
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:59,960
and Charli Heston. I'm not trying
much. You guys know he was a

1590
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:00,800
big deal back in days. It's
like if you got him, it's like

1591
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:04,520
you're gonna do what he says.
I took that as the case because I

1592
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:09,600
feel like it's so it's not normal
these days and movies to just have like

1593
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:12,560
the big title for plenty of the
Apes and then like the main actor like

1594
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,920
over top of it. Like yeah, like I thought that was gonna be

1595
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,159
like the director or something when I
first saw that. It's like Charlton Heston's

1596
01:34:18,279 --> 01:34:21,960
Plan of the Apes like that sort
of deal. So right away I could

1597
01:34:23,039 --> 01:34:25,800
understand the star power that he would
have had. I mean even just like

1598
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:30,039
the opening scene we talked about his
kind of alpha yes, Alpha sixty's way

1599
01:34:30,119 --> 01:34:33,479
that he that he spoke about it. But also like this movie is so

1600
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,640
much of him, like like it
really isn't anyone else and I I mean

1601
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:40,840
a lot of people are wearing practical
effects and they are doing good line deliveries,

1602
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,079
but he like he's doing it all. He's freaking out, he's going

1603
01:34:43,079 --> 01:34:45,960
back on his shoulders, it's getting
sprayed. Yeah, it's it's like it's

1604
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,560
not a one man show because like
you said, that'd be like disrespectful other

1605
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:50,920
people. But it's just like you
got to have a good lead. And

1606
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:54,640
like I think the movie is still
is great overall, but like with him

1607
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,760
as his character, it adds so
much. And you know, I'm surprised

1608
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,520
if something like Tom Cruise doesn't do
any actors nowadays. How come we have

1609
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:01,880
got like a Tom Cruise And then
in this movie, you know, like,

1610
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:04,800
how come we haven't seen Tom Cruise
mission? That's what the mission impossible

1611
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:08,560
is though it is so right,
and that's the way Tom Cruise runs those

1612
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:11,439
movies. Sounds like that's how Hesson
was running this one. And to his

1613
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:13,600
credit, I don't know what those
other two endings were, but this was

1614
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:15,920
and I've never read the book.
I've always actually wanted to, so I'll

1615
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:19,640
find an audiobook. But whatever the
other endings were, Heston him saying we

1616
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:23,359
gotta go with this one was the
right call because it's like the class againting.

1617
01:35:23,399 --> 01:35:26,000
I don't know if that was like
him escaping. I don't know if

1618
01:35:26,039 --> 01:35:29,239
it was like the twist of the
like the Statue of Liberty. But whatever

1619
01:35:29,279 --> 01:35:31,479
it is, he chose right because
the ending is like pitch perfect. Min

1620
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:38,479
opinion. So Taylor phil final thoughts
in a rating for nineteen Charlton Heston's nineteen

1621
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:43,760
sixty eight Planned the Apes Well my
little note here too. Yes, there

1622
01:35:44,199 --> 01:35:46,720
was at one point it was decided
that Nova was actually gonna be pregnant and

1623
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:51,479
that scenes were filmed around page locations, so I think some stuff from the

1624
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:58,079
book revealing that she was actually pregnant. And then the penultimate drafts they a

1625
01:35:58,079 --> 01:36:00,920
plant of the apes tailor was actually
killed by the bull of an ape sniper

1626
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:02,479
while Nova was pregnant with his child, and she's that's probably one of those

1627
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:05,520
ending that he was like, let's
not kill me, let's say, well,

1628
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:10,359
that's just it. It's believe Heston
rejected the idea of Novah's pregnancy.

1629
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,760
The scenes deleted, but they're saying
that the scenes do like there's a lot

1630
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:15,640
of footage of it actually out there
somewhere. I gotta find that that.

1631
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,600
I think that's a good call that
that was. That's to me what that'd

1632
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:23,000
be something that So again, we'll
get to it next month. Hesson is

1633
01:36:23,039 --> 01:36:25,960
in the sequel, a very reduced
role, but he's in there that to

1634
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,840
me would be like a sequel thing
to do of there together. And he's

1635
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:30,760
praying she's pregnant. You could do
that too, But that's the other when

1636
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:32,840
we talk about having sex and no, that'd be the other fear of mind.

1637
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:34,640
It's like, I don't want to
get anyone pregnant while I'm dealing with

1638
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:39,720
this stuff like that'd be a whole
nother just bringing a kid into this dynamic,

1639
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:43,359
Like, no way, that's that's
something. But that's interesting, right

1640
01:36:43,399 --> 01:36:45,399
call to cut it though, I
think there would have been one too many

1641
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,479
plot lines going on unless this movie
like took place over a year. But

1642
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:51,399
it's like, I don't know a
couple of days out of these people's lives.

1643
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:56,439
So I think it was a smart, good call. So but yeah,

1644
01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:02,000
overall, the film holds, it
really does. It has aged in

1645
01:37:02,039 --> 01:37:05,840
its own way, but it has
a very unique quality to it that's very

1646
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:11,359
substantial, I would say. And
it's just if they did like a modern

1647
01:37:11,399 --> 01:37:14,680
game or something like this, I
feel like it's such a unique asthetic that

1648
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,640
I would kill for that. It'd
be so nice and I'd be there for

1649
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:23,199
it for sure. I just I
think that the way they spun this story

1650
01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:26,720
along after in the following sequels,
while there some moments are hit some or

1651
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:30,159
miss, I feel like this this
film at least there's a great job at

1652
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:33,960
having its messaging conveyed and has its
its practicality and effects used, And I

1653
01:37:34,079 --> 01:37:40,680
just it it will stand the test
of time for hopefully two thousand years into

1654
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:44,600
the future. But yeah, I
will happily revisit this film in the future.

1655
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,680
It's always something I'm definitely gonna go
to. And I'm I'm gonna be

1656
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:49,720
generous. I'm gonna go ten out
of ten because I just I really enjoy

1657
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:55,359
this film. I think it's it's
a sixties film, and there's not there's

1658
01:37:55,359 --> 01:37:57,279
not a lot of films I can
go back. It's like, yeah,

1659
01:37:57,319 --> 01:38:00,039
I really love the sixties, the
sixties film. Like I'm not like,

1660
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:04,039
I'm not a super huge film buff
guy who pull a roster and think,

1661
01:38:04,039 --> 01:38:06,159
oh, yeah, this is from
the film from the fifties. From the

1662
01:38:06,199 --> 01:38:09,119
sixties, I can go to that. But this is probably one of the

1663
01:38:09,159 --> 01:38:12,319
earlier films that I've really actually engaged
with. Well, there's a couple other

1664
01:38:12,359 --> 01:38:15,640
ones, but there later like Jaws
and Alien and stuff like that. This

1665
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:20,000
is definitely this is this is old
school, and I'm very appreciative for it's

1666
01:38:20,119 --> 01:38:27,479
mark and it's it's a stamp on
leading the way and paving the way for

1667
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,479
other different mediums and franchises to grow
and everything. Well, this one is

1668
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:35,399
still getting content today. So very
excited to talk about this. I don't

1669
01:38:35,399 --> 01:38:39,199
think that's a I think you said
a generous score and all that that's a

1670
01:38:39,239 --> 01:38:41,159
score, in my opinion, should
be on the same thing. I'm a

1671
01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:43,800
ten to ten love this movie,
like, yeah, it's age, but

1672
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:45,880
its age like we said in the
way where it's a movie from nineteen sixty

1673
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:49,319
eight, like everything's gonna age.
And the fact that it holds up this

1674
01:38:49,319 --> 01:38:54,520
well when we talk about when a
movie can have storylines and ideologies that still

1675
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:56,840
hold up till today, well,
I mean, it's not a great thing

1676
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:00,039
for us as a society, but
that shows how good the movie and the

1677
01:39:00,039 --> 01:39:02,000
book and the content is because and
even then it'd be done well for even

1678
01:39:02,039 --> 01:39:03,960
if we had all our problems,
Like well, back then, right,

1679
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:08,800
that's where it was. So Yeah, performances are great, scores, phenomenal,

1680
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:13,560
great locations, the makeup just like
yeah, it's just almost like flatterergasting

1681
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:15,760
that back then they made something so
good, And I think that's why it

1682
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:16,960
has most to the test. I'm
see, I'm a I'm a ten.

1683
01:39:17,039 --> 01:39:19,960
One of my definitely one of my
favorite sci fi movies. And if I

1684
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:23,680
had like a top fifty movies,
it'd be in there. I this kicked

1685
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:25,760
off, But there's a lot of
great movies in the series, but this

1686
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:28,279
is still the one I always returned
back to as far as man, I

1687
01:39:28,399 --> 01:39:30,119
just love this movie and yeah,
something like that game soon make that fucking

1688
01:39:30,159 --> 01:39:33,920
I'd love to RPG. You guess
your ship crash lands and you got to

1689
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:36,760
go out there and fuck man,
choose your character. You can plays one

1690
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:41,319
of the three, very different endings
for one of the three, one of

1691
01:39:41,359 --> 01:39:47,479
the landing play shortest front time ever
credits roll within the first minute. See

1692
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:49,520
you can have your mission? Do
you sleep with nowhere? Do you not

1693
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:53,159
like you? There's a lot of
things you could do so but yeah,

1694
01:39:53,159 --> 01:39:56,079
I guess that game curse like you
have super aids now you're you die?

1695
01:39:56,680 --> 01:40:01,479
Yeah? Super strong but short lifespan. Yeah, no, I I agree.

1696
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:04,680
Ten out of ten movie. I
think that it completely holds up.

1697
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:10,680
It's it's honestly like a wine where
it just it ages better or it tastes

1698
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:15,600
better with the more it ages,
just because of like I think the like

1699
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:18,800
the sci fi significance that this movie
has, like like all those concepts really

1700
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:23,479
hold up, as well as all
the social things that it tackles, and

1701
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:26,159
just I don't know, it's the
type of movie that makes you think and

1702
01:40:26,239 --> 01:40:30,119
I feel like those are just really
important movies to have, and the fact

1703
01:40:30,119 --> 01:40:33,720
that it came out in nineteen sixty
eight but still is just has that significance.

1704
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:39,000
It just it speaks to how special
it was and it it just it

1705
01:40:39,039 --> 01:40:43,680
makes me so interested to like go
back in time and watch this for the

1706
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,640
first time in nineteen sixty eight and
like where that was, like just give

1707
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,279
me a time machine. Man.
I don't I don't know. I don't

1708
01:40:49,279 --> 01:40:51,680
want to go say this that.
I don't go sit down a theater with

1709
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:55,520
an audience in nineteen sixty eight and
they're like whoa, yeah, and like,

1710
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,920
I'm curious if just people hated this, like like maybe it's just like

1711
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:00,880
oh this is so ridiculous or what
it is, or maybe they're just super

1712
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:09,239
intolerant of others for walk in nineteen
sixty eight. Yeah, exactly. I

1713
01:41:09,279 --> 01:41:13,039
don't know. So Yeah, no, I love this movie. It's definitely

1714
01:41:14,119 --> 01:41:15,960
definitely. I don't know what my
list of favorite movies would be, but

1715
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:19,039
this is on there just for just
for the significance of it. It's it's

1716
01:41:19,159 --> 01:41:23,760
top one hundred in that list somewhere. Yeah, that's an easy that's an

1717
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,840
easy statement. Yeah, there you
go. That's not the how many movies

1718
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,479
we seemed like, even just in
our eight years doing this, how many

1719
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:30,399
movies have we loved and what not? Right, I don't think it's a

1720
01:41:30,399 --> 01:41:33,319
easy statement nowadays. I think it's
an easy statement though, just for like

1721
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:38,159
what it is, Yeah, like
how good it is. There's certain movies

1722
01:41:38,199 --> 01:41:40,920
that when I watch them, like
this is easily in my top one hundred.

1723
01:41:41,359 --> 01:41:43,079
But who knows, maybe if I
put them on paper, it's like,

1724
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:46,000
woof, that list is filling up
pretty quick. Maybe you know what,

1725
01:41:46,079 --> 01:41:48,560
maybe we'll do that for a ten
year anniversary. That'd be a good

1726
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:51,600
guess we did. We did,
almost did a top one hundred. That'd

1727
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:55,239
be stressful though, because it's like, oh, I forgot about this movie.

1728
01:41:55,279 --> 01:41:59,479
But I mean your top one hundred
you shouldn't be forgetting about it.

1729
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:01,600
We are from the GV nine anniversary
gives a whole year, and like,

1730
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:04,439
what are your top one hundred films? You know, don't have to rank

1731
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:08,800
them in alphabetical, but yeah,
talk a little bit about every single one.

1732
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:11,880
Maybe won't do that. I may
just you give us ten. You

1733
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:14,039
give us ten, go check out
our review, you know, Yeah,

1734
01:42:14,079 --> 01:42:16,079
it's like a ten hour cast.
Well, there you go, Jomen,

1735
01:42:16,399 --> 01:42:20,479
We will be back for the patrons
next month and then for the whoever's listening

1736
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:24,760
to this on public feed next week. I think next week is Beneath.

1737
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:27,960
It's Beneath, right, that's the
next one is Beneath, and that's next

1738
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,439
one. Yeah. I am very
excited top about that, because that is

1739
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:33,520
a fucking wild ass movie that,
like I said, it's like, man,

1740
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:35,479
you look at that first one and
you go, how did we get

1741
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:39,319
from here to there? And I'm
really excited. So I think it's gonna

1742
01:42:39,319 --> 01:42:42,000
be a good one. Tune into
that, and uh, we promised you

1743
01:42:42,039 --> 01:42:43,319
that one will not be boring.