Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Planet of the Apes Retrospective.
I am Bright Eyes trust Now, and I'm joined by I'm the Monkey
Man, Kirk com Patzer stinking pause, Taylor Field stinking pause. Your god,
damn right. I'm very excited because this is a retro that as like
people if they're new or probably like as the X Men, we met,
like mention a bunch I'm trying to think of, like obviously Tarantino was one,
Like there's a couple of feel like we mentioned a lot of but this
is one that's been in the works, but we've never ever planned because obviously
we were in the era. God, what did down come out? Was
that twenty fourteen and you're twenty fifteen? Was don Someone look that up and
see if that was pretty right? No, that's rise of the first one?
Oh right, I think Don is maybe twenty fourteenth, so maybe it's
just before. Yeah, so I think, And which makes sense because I
was going to see the twenty seventeen one, the War for the Plan the
Apes, but that's when Gwen was born. I literally had tickets to join
U was was it you and Briggs Taylor that did the whole It was the
whole marathon. Yeah, the whole shebang there, So I had tickets to
that, and then Gwen was born. So I think that's why we didn't
do a retro, because it was just a time where it's like, Okay,
I'm busy. You know, some are lots of stuff going on.
So it's one of those retros of like, Okay, we kept putting it
off and waiting for Oh, when's this gonna happen? And luckily now this
is as usual for Patrons, is why you subscribe to Patron because you begin
this likely at the earliest one. We in We're in September, so October,
November, December, January, February, March, April, May,
eight months early, and it could be even earlier depending on the movie and
the strike. So that's right now. The next movie, God, I
think it's called con Someone get that for me. Someone searched Planet Apes four.
Yeah. Is it Conquest for Planet Apes or what is it Escape?
I think it is. No, I think it is Conquest. Is a
conquest escaped for war? Right? War conquest? Because Escape is one of
the original ones. Kirklan, I think that's the third one, same as
Conquest. That's one of the original ones too. Is there a Conquest for
plant Apes? Yeah, nineteen, then it can't do the new one can't
be conquest. I don't think they're doing another one, just raining planning the
apes twenty twenty four and it'll come up. But either way, as Taylor
finds that if it's happening to make right, if not, the strikes might
have so Adam Kingdom of the Planet Apes, Yeah, twenty four, all
right, they're run out of titles anyways. So yes, as of right
now, it's coming out May twenty twenty four. So at any point even
then it might get delayed, doesn't matter, it's coming out next year.
It has been filmed or whatever. Twenty twenty five, it's coming out.
They filmed it, they got a good cast, everything, a director.
That's like, all right, so we'll see how it goes. But I
think there's been like a general sense of like all of us kind of enjoy
plant apes somewhat one way or another and have different iterations and what we've got
to So we're reviewing all of them again because we never did a retro,
even for the War for Planet Apes, like what is it Rise and Dawn
and Ty did you end up being on the third review or no? I
thought there was something Wonky did. Was it just Briggs in Dylan War No,
Briggs didn't do it. It was just me and Dylan, just you
and Dalane. Okay, So Taylor can decide to join or not. I
think you already said would. It's been a long time, but we're gonna
review that one too, because Kirk and I haven't been on that, and
plus it's past the five year rule. So yeah, we're going to review
every single plan the apes leading up to the new one. So please be
good, because that's gonna be a big bummer if it's not. But we'd
being good. We're in for the ride, Travis. We're not there for
the destination exactly. I always say for the rankings of this too, like
it's gonna be a good time. But uh, yeah, we're going all
the way back to the original of the classic, the nineteen sixty eight Planet
of the Eighth starring the great Charlton Heston, who we had a fun night
last night playing cod And as we're down some impressions, I said, Emily,
the problem my impression it sometimes slips between that and my Connery, like
I get too British, but it's it's tough. They had that same general
like no fucks given, like oh, Camires, I don't even know what
you would call it. There's just like something in their mouth that they're like
talking through. It feels I would say sixties alpha, That's what I would
call it. Like it's just like it's like they think they're top men of
the chain, you know, Like why do you want to call that one?
I don't got a good goddamn reason why we're going there. Okay,
Charlton go, but yeah, so this Alsusly was a book, so you
go read that now, Disney owners that there's com books, there's tons,
tons of things. And I'll talk about on trivia about it being a book
because I guess my one note Charlton Hasen actually did not like the book,
but he did it because he's like, ah, it might make a good
movie. But he read it and I was like, this is shit again,
I'll Charlton voice, yeahh this is shit anyway. So Kirkland also,
we're gonna tell about this first film, but what is your first memories of
planning apes overall? Because like we just said, sixty eight. That's a
franchise sprawling like almost because what's that? That's so we'll run up the seventy
We're getting into the sixty seventy year mark here, this like this thing exists
crazy, So when was the first time you're exposed from it? Exposed to
it? And then you can probably lay your thoughts into when you if you've
seen this film before, when you see it in your thoughts now, just
everything concerning plan the Apes right now, Yeah, a planet of the Apes,
like the franchise of a whole is actually one of like the earliest core
movie memories that I have. I remember being like really young and like my
dad had them on VHS. Yeah, and it just completely like blew my
mind. I think I was also just like really young, so like that
whole concept just really freaked me out. And watch like watching it now,
this doesn't feel like a horror movie, but I remember back in the day
this was like this. These movies just terrified me. It's probably like why
I'm so scared of those what would you call them? Like just like people
putting on like the outfits to have like the animals. I feel like,
just like the monkey, like the monkey people just terrified me, but for
some reason, I just like stuck through watch them. I think I've seen
all of the originals. I don't know. My memory is kind of dicey
on certain scenes that spliced between the different films, but I've definitely seen the
Waark one as well. On the originals, like like, well, look,
there's like five originally, like that's for some answer, I don't even
know that because there's like this one, there's a second because there's what beneath,
and then there's Escape, and then there's Conquests, and then there's another
one. So it's just like other than Star Wars, I'm like, is
anyone what's a franchise in the sixty seventies that had like five to six sequel
in that in the sixties seventies, Yeah, like that started there, Like
that wasn't a big thing back then. I like, we're doing a sequel
other horror movies. I guess, right, because horror movies they went ham
and we're like Halleing one, Holing two Friday thirteenth. But really like maybe
I'm wrong. I'll do a quick search after. But for this to come
out and then every few years, like they got five sequels this original one.
I don't count nowadays because nowadays it's all but IP and content. But
back then to Bruce and Sorry, they produced five and there was a TV
show in seventy four as well that went for one season, which is the
same plot of this movie, just like changing the characters' names. It's Astronauts
at Land Galen, isn't it? So you got that, but like it's
just like if you read the synopsis, it's just the synopsis for the movie
one. And the actors look like they have a lot more makeup. They
weren't doing like Charlton Heston, it was like looking dirty and sick. These
guys look like they got some makeup. So yeah, they had five movies
and a TV show almost sixty seventies. That's crazy, I feel like.
Also just looking back on like that era, like this came out in sixty
eight sixty I think, and like when do we go to the Moon sixty
nine? Like this is crazy that this is actually like before is that true?
This happens before the moon landing. I mean, you can fact check
me on that, but I'm pretty sure the moonlanding was in sixty nine.
So just thinking about that, like man, you're right, well, oh
sorry, the first human made object to touch the moon was in fifty nine.
But you mean like the first human to touch the moon. Yeah,
that was sixty nine Apollo. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. On that
their mission July sixteen to July twenty fourth. Here you got fucking Taylor going
on a mission for like thousands of years, Like god damn, what were
they doing? No that like and you're like, we're on top about I
feel like this movie in a few ways feels like really ahead of its time.
Also yeah too, but it feels way more currently. I guarantee if
this was made today, people call this movie woke. There's so much stuff
that it's like about, like shit, this is still like oh yeah,
themes of today. It's so good hundred percent. I was I was kind
of leaning into more just talking about this was a movie, which I shouldn't.
I should just talk about my overall experience. But yeah, so I
I really really love these movies though, I, like I said, like
it was probably one of the earlier sci fi things that I've seen, and
like just looking at through the lens of whatever age like this is probably like
two thousands around that era when I actually saw this for the first time,
and yeah, it just it blew my mind, freaked me out. And
then obviously coming back to it now, like I'm so excited to do this
retro because just coming off this first one, I definitely think it aged extremely
well and I just can't wait to break down certain things and certain like sci
fi concepts that it's so interesting, like the way they went with it in
the sixties versus like sci fi movies specifically about space nowadays. It's just so
interesting, like the differences that they kind of make. I feel like a
lot of newer sci fi movies aren't making some of the same moves that this
old one did, And maybe that's just because we've actually been to space now
and like we kind of know how different it is, But I don't know,
it seems still very grounded and not over the top and in a lot
of ways. But yeah, I don't think I've seen all of them.
Because you mentioned that there's five originals. That kind of surprised me. I
thought there was less than that. So, like I said, I'm just
excited to go through it and kind of see where my memory falters on what
certain events happened, because just watching this one, like, there were so
many things that I completely like, I did not remember the beginning of this
movie at all. I thought they were like already on the planet when it
happened. So yeah, no, I have some good core memories with the
Planet of the Apes and uh yeah no except for the ride. I'll go
next because because it sounds like my origin story, this is pretty identical to
Kirklands, like it was around I'd seen these before the Tim Burdon remake,
because I remember that was like the first real hype thing as a fan,
Like this was around the time I wasn't getting much. I remember when the
Scooby Doo movie came out and they did that fake trader. I'm not sure
if you guys ever saw the first trailer for Scooby Doo, but they made
it look like it was a new Batman movie but it wasn't. And then
gold Member Live Action one. Yeah, yeah, the live action one.
It started like you need a hero and it's like in a manner and there's
like a shadow. It kind of looks like Batman when they zooming and Scooby
Doo. I was like fuck. And I remember gold Member they did a
fake trailer for a Bond one. I was awso powers going. So this
is an era where it's like some franchise weren't doing the greatest. There's stuff
space between. So when I found out, hey, there's a new Planet
Apes movie, I'd always seen the apesings at this point, but I was
like, I was fucking pumped, and I love that movie. Now when
we get to that retro, that's gonna be a very exciting time because I
feel much differently upon it now. But so I was hyped in the same
thing. This was at my grandma's. She had like the same way.
I think we've told this before. I remember those Star Wars VHS's. I
was like the Stormtrooper, Vader and Yoda, like the same. Yeah,
yeah, my grandma had something like that with apes, like some sort of
boxet where it had all them and each one was like you could probably find.
It's like a yellow cover, a green cover, purple cover, and
I was always like a different monkey. And that's where I just remember watching
it. I think because probably when it came out, my grandparents at this
point are probably in their fifties and the sixties, like this was probably a
big deal of plant the apes, right and my grandma liked more this type
of sci fi stuff. And I always say, like, I think this
and Star Wars were the two sci fis that really got me into it.
And I feel like Star Wars was like the adventure, like oh, the
hero story the journey where this was like the first like oh, this is
like a not to be like there it is. Yeah, that's the that's
core memories, just like, yeah, this is the the facebooks man fox
was so good. Yeah that's the one she had because I remember that red
cover like anything but fucking twentieth century fox Man. They had some great VHS
covers back in the day. It was good. So yeah, and I
just remember just watching them all being introduced and yeah, Star Wars to me
introduced me to like the fun adventure sci fi and this was like the thinking
man sci fi because there's a portion where they just and I didn't get at
all when I was a kid. I'm not saying like I was sitting there
like oh I understand uh racial politics now. No, it was just like
there it was a movie that had long amounts of talking, but I wasn't
bored. And that was probably new around that age where it's like Okay,
I'm still kind of into this. Of course I still like the action stuff,
but no, that's that's my memories is just watching at my grandma's.
And then I to the point, got like, there, you made a
game Boy Advanced game of the first one, and you're just playing as Taylor,
just going through the deserts and just like I guesside scoring him like punching,
you jump on vines, you have to get like little health like it's
probably an awful game when you actually look at it, it's just a cash
in. But I got that. I had a bunch of the toys.
I had a bunch of toys from the remake, so I was this was
a huge franchise for me, and I still love it. It's still just
like the overall concept I think it goes. It feels very much to me
like X Men. Oh I like X Men. Where this can go towards
gender politics, sexual irritation politics, racial politics, any group that's felt marginalized.
It's that flip of imagine, Okay, what if I can't remember there's
like some meme going around I can't remember, or I think there's like a
movie coming out right now where it's like their verse where like the majority of
people are gay and being straight is like a like that's like a really taboo
thing, and like say, this was the first movie to really I think,
I'm sure there's other ones, and I'm not a historian. I'm just
a movie fan, but like in a grand scale in this way, and
obviously the book as well to touch upon that of like it, because I
don't know in the sixties if they could have gone away with let's do a
movie or a book like let's do a movie where it's just black people are
the majority and white people are lesser than. Like that's where they use like
the apes is like a disguise be like, Okay, this is gonna be
the algoryth for race and a lot of other things, and no group should
be lesser than. But that's where society looks upon it. And that's where
it's like it's this great cool concept at first of just like a planet with
monkeys, holy shit. But then when you get to the whole franchise,
there's always themes throughout and it's just always interests me. So that's why I
always hope the new ones and other ones. I feel like there's some that
later on start to become more just the action and more like we gotta fight
the monkeys or fight the people. But at its core, I think there's
always a message to this franchise, And yeah, I love this franchise.
I'm very excited to break this all down because it's just like there's some that
I've seen them all, but the latter ones I haven't seen like a bunch
of except for the fourth. I love the fourth one, so I'm excited
to talk about that. But uh, yeah, I got a big,
big saft spot for this franchise. I'm very happy that we're getting another one.
I'm very happy that it's all on Disney. Plus it's a nice easy
watch for us. All. So you get this collection with the monkey that
would have terrified me. Oh, I remember getting previous us. I didn't
get that collection. No, I remember getting Previous or this. I think
one of my first purchases on TV was when they did like, oh,
I'll wait. I got a good story about the two thousand and one Plan
the Apes because that was like one of the first movies that was on DVD,
and I remember telling my dad like, this is why I need a
DVD player, because like Plan the Apes is on DVD, but this was
like I think this was like a first I don't own them all, but
I own a DVD of this somewhere, the first one, because like I
have to have this one. So that's my tail least with the origins of
just Plant the Apes. So Teara, how were you introduced to Plant Apes?
It's the first off, so you watched the newer one, so I'm
sure you had seen at some point, So what is a what's your tail
with these monkeys? It goes back to that box set. I got it
in my garage and I had the same one I got. It's like a
mint condition because it was my grandfather's and when he had a huge VHS collection
back in the day and when he passed, just they were getting rid of
stuff, I was like, I really want this box set. So I
took it and it's just absolutely I don't have to pull it out so we
can we can have it on the show. But yeah, that's that's where
it started for me. So when I watched that first one, it was
just such a no. I don't know, as a kid, it's just
it's somehow very enticing and just keeps you engaged in a weird way, and
I think even though it is an old film, we would watch this probably
in like mid two thousands, early two thousands, and it's like, there
definitely are more modernized films and TV shows that a kid could watch at that
point in time, but there's still something about apes and I feel like there's
nothing else that really did anything like that at the time. Of course,
then you get the Tim Burton one, which came out at some point there.
But for me, my first engagement with this was that original the other
thing that really kind of and I can't speak to it very very well because
I can't remember a lot of the details. But when the Patterson Gamblin footage
came out with Bigfoot, that footage, I getch you not. That footage
dropped in nineteen sixty seven, and so you have a comparison here because people
are like, Okay, who's building these costumes? And look, people looked
at Plant of the Apes and that's one of the best ape costume designs at
that time. It's play and it's like holy shit. So when that's that's
again something that fueled my exploration to this because it's just this is crazy to
think about but uh, yeah, the the franchise is just really interestingly changed.
And I liked how we get this part one to part five story and
it's it's it's just involves some very interesting elements that I did not expect when
I was going through it the first time. And then you have that Tim
Burton one, which I'd love to see more of that, but that'll never
happen. Really, Okay, this is the ending, just because the end,
it is a high ending. I can't wait to get to that movie.
It's it's such a high ending. And then you get the a remake
swhich they are because some people debate if they're just prequels because they could be
before they totally act as a prequel. They really really do, and they
fit like they leave those little we'll talk about that leave a little easter eggs
and nod towards the events in this five part arc that we're retruing right now
and it's weird, like we'll get to but even some people argue that three,
four and five of this series is a prequel to the one and two
if the way you look at it, right, I totally agree, Like
it totally fits. Yeah, it's a crazy multiverse time travel sort of thing,
but it is, so we'll see how it goes. I do feel
like at its core, racism is definitely one of the plot devices in this
and I feel like the for me, the main thing is just humans.
Humans are the problem, no matter which way you spin it. Yeah,
and it's evident in the next one. It's evident in especially in that like
remake spin off, like the Newer trilogy, like that, that trilogy is
those films just make me tear up hard, like they just they hit hard,
and it's not many other franchises can really do that. And it's just
because it makes you realize, like man, humans, humans are just shit
fuck being a human. But humans have the capacity to be really really good.
But the odds are it's like one human for like seven billion, you
know, Okay, I'm gonna try one of the most. I'm the most
pessimistic person on the podcast. Seven billion. And there's eight billion people in
the world, isn't there. So like, man, that's a lot of
bad people, many people. Is it eight billion hours and seven billion people?
Now what is it? I don't think point eight eight bills? So
there's eight one and a half hundred eighty eight one hundred thousand good people.
I'm kidding. I don't like those odds or three of them our doact that
statement, I'll say, there's there's some there's there in the least in that
movie setting, you get like only like a couple of good humans and there's
so many bad ones. And that, to me is what Planet of the
Apes is about. Just humanity is just so bad. And they really explore
that in the second one Beneath Planet of the Apes, but in this one,
for now, like, they really show this hopelessness. And for me,
that's probably one of the reasons why I was always so attracted to this
film because when you watch it, just like man, oh yeah, you
just you watch it just feel like, man, there's just you get stuck
in these situations where Tailor's just caught up in moments and it's like, man,
like you just you can't do anything, you can't get out of the
scenario. And when you finally do something to break free from this mold and
you can like maybe tank not capitalize on being lucky here all of a sudden,
but like you talk when you're not supposed to, and it's like,
oh, well, we're gonna pick your brain apart. It's like, well,
fuck or you A big piece of evidence you have is your space suits
and these fucking human people whatever, like just I don't know, they steal
your suit and you're wearing garb and it's like, well, now, no
one's you're wearing a plastic boat. It's my favorite thing, Like it's his
goddamn name I got I'm pulling I'm new because I never remember the side character's
name with him as much. But yeah, he ends up just wearing the
I kind of forgot about that, so not landing, no dodge dodge,
Yeah, I forgot all some you know, I'm watching, like is he
just wearing the boat. It's like, yeah, it's just the deflate a
boat. It's like a human whatever pawn show. I definitely know exactly where
I have a few from this five part or I know exactly where I would
put some over the others, because some are to me, are very clearly
up there over other ones, but and some are clearly at the bottom of
mind. Some are clearly clearly at the bottom, which will be very interesting
to talk about. But uh yeah, yeah, no, it's just it's
a It's incredible. It really is incredible, and this is such a like
a foundation sci fi film, and it has some great reveals that it's just
like holy shit, Like especially at the end of this movie, you're like,
god, yeah, part of the greade in the sixties. Man,
this has been a fucking trip when you have no like you've probably been barely
seeing trailers. I'm not even sure what they would have revealed because I know
nowadays all the posters and DVD covers are always like Taylor and the fucking Satular.
It's always that. But I wonder if they did. I don't know
if they did, but I watched the trailer. They're like nothing referencing that
is in the trailer. That must has been wild. That's it's like,
I know, the big end. But when you talk about because we always
talk about like all the ending of Saw or like I Am your Father,
this is a top three twist still because like obviously maybe I'm not sure do
you guys know it beforehand or not, like when you watch it going in
like the like the very end with the empire, state building everything like the
first time I wanted the first time, do you know it was definitely not
and that like again that was like such a core hit moment, Like I
feel like there's so much dialogue and like deep messages in this movie that completely
went over my head because I was just way too young to pick it up.
But that end, it just like it like shook me. I feel
like I had nightmares about that, just like, oh my god, apes
are gonna take over Earth one day. Yeah, because I feel like when
I was that age, I didn't know the iconography of like the Statue of
Liberty meaning like his I think even if I saw it on a poster,
I wouldn't have known, Oh that means it's Earth. But at the end,
and she's like, and that's why imagine like cheese oise like that's But
like I said, that's a top three twist, like it's been so long
ago me I feel forget, Like that's such a great because it's one of
those twists where it makes sense and all the signs are there the whole movie,
and they do such a good way of setting it up to make you
kind of think that it could be there, could be not. But it's
not all these twists where it's like like look at Shamalong. We have that
both examples, right of sometimes it feels like there's a bunch there and there's
stuff that's just very random, like, oh, it's a twist, and
I'm just using as example, but this is one that's completely earned and then
it makes the second viewing of the movie even better and it's just like a
perfect and perfect twist. It's part of me was like wishing that I could
have just experienced this for the first time again, like going through this retro
because yeah, like you said, like that is just the craziest moment reminded
me. Like I think last year I watched The First Alien with a buddy
of mine that had never seen it before and had no idea about the the
twist with the with the the doctor there, and like when that scene happened,
it just like blew his mind. And I totally would have had that
same aspect going into this one because screaming, yeah, it starts attacking me,
thinks I'm an and Inwest. But like, because yeah, there is
little like seeds in the movie that you could maybe pick up, but I
feel like there's just so many things going on that you wouldn't really go there
because you would just think that this is just another Earth like planet that maybe
they actually just went through that again and had dolls. It's not actually Earth,
but yeah, just because like you know that it's been thousands of years
since you've left the planet, if your tailor, but just to get that
like confirmation that no, your entire planet is just gone and there's no remnants
of any sort of humans. It's just these monkey people. So it's,
oh, it's crazy. I was gonna say. I think, if I
remember correctly going to the archives of my memory banks here when I was little,
I think thought that maybe the statue came from Earth and somehow, like
I don't know, just they shipped something like that because I didn't think I
really comprehended that this was Earth. So crazy. Cut to black too,
like it just goes credits. It's like, oh no, no happy ending.
Should there should when we talked. In my opinion, there's other sequels
that are good in concepts. The direct follow up for me is a it's
one of the most like biggest steep like from a great movie to a sequel.
It's like such a nose dye, well, nose dive in the back
hap. I'd say the first part was very intriguing and I loved it,
but yeah, it just fucking get this. We'll get there. But yeah,
but with this movie, and that's where it's like, I think,
now that I'm older, I do a better joke because sometimes sequels coming like,
oh, original, this is something that I don't care how many they
make. It doesn't really matter. They could make a worse Golden Geese Contender
movie and it's never gonna affect this first one. Like even though Heston comes
back for the sequel, I really just keep this as like a secluded thing
by itself, like this adventure, and that just speaks to the quality of
and the other ones. Sometimes some of them feel a little more cash grabby
and stuff. But because I was gonna look, I didn't even look at
how much it made. I'm sure made a big amount of money, but
I think that's what they're talking about. As far as like the twist he
at the beginning the movie, there of course looking what planet they on and
stuff, but that's only like first twenty minutes. After that's like the get
kidnapped, the get separated, they get put in these scenarios. Taylor's on
a trial for his life, so it's like he doesn't really get time to
think about where is he or put those together. Maybe near the end once
you start finding like the glasses and the teeth. But like Kirklan said,
could just be oh, this is an earth that or a plant that went
through something similar, right, and it all changed. But that's where I
like that they before questions can really get asked, that they find the people
there, right, and they're all kind of like cave Man and fucking George
Taylor, a classic I think like Gray Area character who like he's your hero,
but he's kind of a piece of shit. Like he makes this line
about I can't remember if her name was actually Stephanie because were joking about last
night, but he was Stewart. Yeah, he pretty much just says like
she was set that the b R eve so we could all have our way
with her. He wasn't implying sexual assault, but he was just implying that
they're all just going to screw her and then just make like chill like and
he just says it's so kind of cold. And he does that all the
time. So when he's doing like when they're find these people, when the
first time' is like, oh, in six days will be the rule of
this planet. Like he's just so arrogant about things. But that's where it's
great that the second they find these people, they're there for like a minute
seeing how they react, and then you get the horns. So it's like
you don't even get time to process what's going on because you get the apes
right away. My mind wouldn't be thinking about if this is Earth or not.
If I see an ape ride in a horse that fucking speaks like,
your mind is like shot he gets shot in the neck. Like, there's
so much stuff going on that I think they do a good job of right
when you might think you might in the middle start thinking is this Earth?
What's the deal? Like t kurla and said, they're throwing so much at
you in a good way. It's almost at the back half you're like,
oh shit, Yeah, what was this plan? They're like, oh fuck,
it's Earth that sucks and that it all makes sense. So that's the
thing I say about this. For me, the biggest thing is the pacing.
This movie is really good. It does feel like the classic, like
a literal first act, second act, third act. The first act is
just the okay, we've landed, what's going on? The second act is
being kidnapped, tortured, and then the third act escape and I think they
pace all really well, even the point when they have that trial going on.
And that's what I mean that I feel like as a kid, I
probably shouldn't have liked this movie when there's like fifteen minutes of just talking to
Taylor, like and he's like spelling things out or they're on trial if he's
a man or a misfit or a missing link. But I guess it worked
for me back then, and it's it's still worse for me now. It
slows it down, but in the to me, the right amount of okay,
we have to we get to see their politics and how they work.
That's why I enjoy that it's not just half an hour of him shooting animals.
You get that, you get him trying to escape, but I like
that there is slow downs and there's time to learn because you get to meet
these other apes too that are good, or other monkeys that are good in
chimpanzee. So that's why I love that dicotomy of seeing it all and I
just enjoy the pacing of it. That's what I'll just primarily say. So
that was like the biggest Chokra. I think for me rewatching this because although
I have seen it, it's been a very long time and all like the
politicking completely went over my head back in the day. But yeah, maybe
it's also just pulling from my memory of like Rise of the Planet of the
Apes, where that that one's a lot more of like an action movie when
it gets popping off, you know, it has those huge yeah Francisco exactly
like I was. I was kind of had that in the back of my
mind, so I was expecting more action. But when when the act,
like when he gets captured, like just the dialogue between was her named Zira
and her husband and just like how uh like humane. I guess they're they're
like they're coming from it. I I just really assumed that the Apes were
just the enemy and like they were just going to be extremely vicious, all
of them in regards to Taylor and his crew. So that was a big
surprise for me. And just they're like dialogue amongst each other, like they're
like playing around. I love just the flip too, like when they first
capture the humans and they're like taking selfies in front of it. It's like,
oh my god, Like this is this is actually crazy, like the
total flip of putting humans in the cage versus and that like right away,
like that's pretty early on in the movie when they get captured in like maybe
first half hour, and I was just like, oh man, I am
in for a special ride and not just for this movie but going forward,
So that that was really really fun, Travis, I have the budget and
box office. This just says that the time, say budget was five point
eight million, in box office with was thirty three point three million, which
back then for inflation was probably massive. Oh yeah, I know exactly.
Yeah that was even just the difference like their budget versus box office, that's
that's insane. But just looking at like what that is nowadays, it's like
it's bare minimum one hundred million dollar budget and it looks worse than what this
movie was, Like, I was very impressed with the practical just everything.
This is five million dollars one of the most important movies all time, and
obviously again for inflation, probably means more. But yeah, well, like
I was gonna talk about the two but when you're talking about we talked about
themes, when you talk about that flip of when they take the picture of
the people, like even stuff like today people with hunting and like if you
should do it if you're not game hunting and stuff. When you get to
see whatever side you feel on, when you get to see the imagery flipped
of these apes like staying with the humans, like fuck man, Like that's
an image right there, even like that, like I said, to be
like the near seventies that have that kind of cooking and going on. And
that's still a debate that goes this way. And yeah, as far as
budget wise, I think like even for like nowadays look great, but for
sixty eight looks standing fantastic. There's nothing really that stands out. There's some
stuff like when like Taylor's in the ship and like the windows are looking really
like, okay, none of this is happening. This is this I don't
know what it is, but it hole like it looks old, but in
that great way where it just looks like a fine wine, where it's like,
man, this is this looks great. It reminds me a lot when
we do Indiana Jones. It was like, I just wish more movies looked
like this now like and of course nowadays you probably couldn't do the monkeys with
the makeup, even though I even think as the problems I had with the
burn one, the makeup was not the problem. Like I still think you
could get away with it. But I get I get why, you know,
people saw Golm and said, like, look what we can do.
You know, but all this stuff like for the times, man, this
movie looks great, and they like they shot a lot of that outside stuff
in Arizona, all that hiking in the rocks and sand. Like I said
him, like the first twenty minute this minute man of the movie, it's
just like a smorgas border. I love all the shots of the different mountains
and lakes, and yeah, I absolutely love it. So yeah, so
five point or no, sorry, yeah, five point eight million would have
been worth like fifty one fifty roughly, which like the thirty eighth then what
were they made then? And yeah, fifty five today? That's like a
modest like that's like a almost independent movie at times, you know. So
where do you want to go next? Taylor? You want to talk about
Taylor? How do you feel about George Taylor? Our main character here?
Think Charlton Heston, He's just my cigar bitch. I feel like he's just
really he doesn't crack until like the very end. I feel like he's just
a couple of times when they're when they're hosing him down, he's on the
verge of losing. It is a bad house, and he's like he's just
like laugh at him. When he figures out they they the bottom his co
pilot, that's pretty bad. But for the most part, he just takes
it in stride. I feel like, and he's just such a he is
a macho man about a lot of them. Oh yeah, like through and
through. But yeah, he's he's just ever since like he loses his voice,
you know, getting shot in the throat, which fucking sucks to begin
with, and everything he's trying to recovery. Thought recovery. Two days later
he has full use of his voice. Like I guess I always take it
like it like raised him. There is one shot when they throw in the
cage and they zoom in on his wound and there's not a it's just like
like paint blood. I'm like, don't zoom in there, come on and
get away. But I just take it as that, like I had candlecage
just like grazed him and it like hurt. But yeah, like if you
just get like because when they shoot him, they don't make it look that
way. They shoot him and hes like grabs his throat like and there's so
much that they Yeah, they impaled with that bullet, especially where it hit
too. Yeah, I was like, Wow, we're killing off our main
guy or George Taylers. Is that bunch of a badass. He like just
sat there like healed in a cage for days, like like a wolf.
Yeah, so I'm gonna jump in here. Two hundred and ninety three point
four would have been the box office million, okay, and I guarantee and
also yeah, that's inflation, and guarantee you too, the reverse inflation nowadays
of how much tickets cost even more too. It's because you think tickets back
then are probably you know, five six bucks were. Now it's like you
want to see this movie twenty you want to see Sarah Swift saying fifty bucks,
you know, like so yeah nowadays, it's because it's like one of
those like Gone with the Winds been pasted a bunch. But it's like if
you look at the actual tickets sold, it's like the biggest movie of all
time, just because the way it was so now that and still that's a
very that's like three times your budget, right, because you said it was
twenty five for what was it? Fifty would have been like the budget?
No, no, what was the box office? Uh? I just closed
it two hundred ninety four or something like that. Okay, that's like all
that's like four or five times your budget. So that's a no. Wonder
why they made four sequels on a TV show the sixties, like, ah,
yeah, I'll come back for two. Yeah, just laughs at his
check. I hate this book. I do think though, that they the
ability to create this relationship between Taylor, Cornelius and Zero was really interesting.
I liked how that kind of unfolded and everything that Taylor was going through.
It just makes it makes me get agitated and angry because you're dealing with he
would have been the orangutang, right, I think that's the religious prophetical leaders
the government guys, right, like the main you say, yeah that they're
orangutangs. I'm pretty sure. And then yeah, the doctors and the gorillas
of the soul Zius is it? Yeah, zerr is a lady and then
Zirus something Zius the Taylor's most of his conversations with Zius is just so stressful.
And so even when we're in the cave at the Leanne, for example,
and it's like, oh, this guy, you know, just his
glasses, all he's going through and nobody's playing with that fucking dull thing,
and and Zius just shits on everything he says about that, or just referencing
the scrolls too. I'm kind of segueno Zius now, but he's just he's
a character that really bothers me a lot just for how he speaks to his
belief it's us okay, it's fair, and it's just because you have this
society that's established for thousands of years and they believe their own religious stuff and
whatnot. On Zius' is like, oh this is you know, our scrolls,
scroll thirteen, whatever, all that stuff, and then ten minutes later
he's like I knew everything. He's like, I've been lying this entire time.
But like again, for religion, that plays into it, right,
whatever, whatever religion you're into, whatever you believe in, there is ways
you can pitch it, both x Y and z And I'm always like I
said, I'm not a religious person and I can't remember what the term is
of, Like I don't believe anything, but I don't disbelieve anything agnostic.
Yeah, it's just one of these things that like I'll figure it out when
I die and go from there. Let's hope there's not a God in hell,
because I hope I make it through. But you never know, right,
because I always talk about all the time, right where some people's God
would be this is X, Y and Z, and they're very frigging whatnot.
But then they're to some people, there's a God that believe that,
Hey, if you're gay, you're going right to hell, or if you
support people that are gay, you're going right to hell. That's right,
That's where I go, Hey, if this part of the bile is completely
true, that I'm going to hell. And that's where it's just like you
can, like each religion and each kind of ideology, you can point holes
or like point like put towards stuff, and when people are questioned, obviously
that can get very viotal. And I feel like that's Zia's right here.
And he's also doing it because like he's carrying the back of a whole society.
He's carrying this society on his back. Pretty much, and it's like
it's not That's what I love about Ziace. It's like it's not that he's
even wrong because he's just like his whole point is he doesn't want people to
believe men were a thing really to this extent right to be talking that they
were the primitive primate. And the whole reason is not so much of like,
I don't think that he feels like ape and man couldn't live together.
He just knows like he's is worried what man could do to ape and like
that, and that's where it's like, the way they posed it in this
film, it's not that he's really on the wrong side, because the they
what happens pretty much is the humans went to nuclear war and blew the whole
earth right, and that kind of creates. Obviously, now there's been a
few changes to the origins and stuff, but I feel like in this moay,
they're kind of sinuating that the whole world went to war, nukes happened,
they created these monkeys that probably got something from it, and that's why
humans couldn't speak. Like I said, the newer ones try to post something
different, like it's the sickness, but either way, how we got to
this point was man made, So why woods Ice want the men to rise
up again? Who like resulted in war? And again this comes into it
later, but the number one one of the rules of the planet apes is
ape doesn't kill ape, right, it doesn't matter what differences they have,
you don't kill each other. Where men that was not a thing they kill
it. They went to war. So it's like he is the antagonist,
but the same times, like I can't almost not say he's right from his
perspective because he's just like protecting everybody because they got a pretty good It's like,
Okay, you can argue the slave part is bad with the people they
treat the humans like shit, but from their point of view from them as
apes and monkeys and chim and zee, they got a pretty good outlook in
society going on. I think for me on this, like most recent watch
and probably even just all my watches of this, it's it is still tough
for me to like see him in the good light because he is just so
on his side, like he's so close minded, like he's like it's just
the opposite of open minded, like like it doesn't matter if they show him
the evidence he is just sticking to his script. And for me, it's
just like I hate that characteristic of people, so like to see it in
him or hear in him. I get it. They have their their comfort
and like what they have here, but they're like calling innocent apes heretics because
they're just like trying to follow science and it seems like they have like a
good scientific team. They study things, but they're still just like, no,
it doesn't matter what the results say. This is the way it is.
And but I mean, you make up good points. I just think
on my like when I watched it now, I didn't see his side of
it. It was just like, eh, I don't know. I was
gonna say, though, does he actually feel that way? Because I think
he's just lying. That's how I like. I don't think he actually believes
in the science and the religion, Like, oh, that doesn't mean I
think he's just I don't think he does. I think he will defend it
because, like you said, it's very It's like their whole culture is founded
on it and if you lose that, then it all breaks apart. And
that's that's something that's been displayed in other mediums too, like even in the
Halo franchise, for example, like Covenant, Like you have this religious thing,
but when when you have something kind of that can underdo it, and
it can, it can just break it all apart. And I like how
you explain that, because I think it's super shitty that they didn't just explain
the whole truth because eventually, when something like this does happen to talking human,
it just kind of defuncts everything like that and then they blow up the
cave. Yeah, that's the way take it that he does believe the scientists
and Heston and everything. I think he's just lying to say face. I
think the other people in the council aren't with him. I feel like because
that's why I like when they have that meaning Taylor in him solely he calls
him Taylor and he's like, oh, thank you for calling me that and
not that Like they have like a like a weird That's what I love about
it. They have a weird understanding semi respect for now like almost Hessen his
character feels like he understands that he has to do this. He still thinks
he's a piece of shit, but he's like from his point of view,
he's like I get why you do this. But at the same time,
Heston's pitch is really just let him go. He's not even trying to like
like Cornelius and Zero, they're the ones that want to change the hierarchy dig
more. Hesson just wants to get the fuck out of there, like he
does not like really like he'll call them on their bullsh of like, well
this means man, and like we talked about like why would a monkey create
a talking doll? Right, doesn't make talking human doll? That doesn't make
much sense. So he kind of calls him out there. But like I
said, he does reveal his cards when he's like all always known about man.
So it's like I I pictures AIA's like they were on some fucking early
discovery with some other people and he like killed those other apes just like high
it like how like and I thing like how long has theias known about this?
How many other people do know about it? And obviously they blow up
that cave And that's why I like that and this one not talking about the
sequel, That's why I like. To me the first bi zone is there's
nothing dangerous about the forbidden Zone. It's just more of this it's more like
human you know, artifacts studies, stuff that would prove them wrong. So
that's why I love that they have these scary scarecrows and tell these stories about
it. And when Cornelis says he's been there, it was like, what
do you mean you've been there? I like that they posed as like you
could die out there versus it's probably not that. It's just more secrets would
get unraveled. And again, it's such a good like like uh kind of
shady society almost like Illuminati of plan the apes that they have this thing that
they're hiding from the rest of the community just so people can stay in line,
do their day to day do you know, live in their huts these
slaves and same thing there. He's like he has these scientists, but at
the same time he's like limiteding. He wants them to get good, but
not too good, right because if they get too good, what's gonna happen?
So yeah, it seemed because like what's their goal with the whole uh
like biology? They just want to like what tests their brains? And yeah
they do they do mention something. I don't think they use the word surgery,
but they do mention something like that when they're looking when they're talking about
brains and stuff. So I think the idea is to get like something to
like do with the to help with the brain, or to do something with
the brain. And I don't know what their end goal is per se.
Maybe I guess just to learn maybe right, just to advance your technology,
because yeah, I guess so, because like Zira's motivation is to try and
figure out the missing link between what would have been the humans and the apes,
which it sounds like Zius is just trying to nip it in the butt
because he like he actually knows like what the case is, but he just
like doesn't want that to happen. And then I guess my other question would
be like what, like what's their purpose with the like the human slaves,
Like are they just like are they working for them or are they eating themwhere?
Like what's going on? Because they don't we actually don't see that happen
in the Moo, Like we see the slaves a ram, but we never
see what they actually do. They kidnap them and then we don't know why.
I guess they kill some of the angry ones, but like when they
have to bring out oh, God, what's his other friend's name? Gets
the bonding and like, yeah, yeah, I think you're right. It's
it's it's land. And so like they're around because they just call upon them,
right, He's like, oh, well, let me see them and
I'll point them out. But it's like, what were they doing? I
just take it that they are just slaves. They would be like cleaning,
cooking. Other movies get in that or like somewhere the sequels, but I
feel like that's what they are. They're just uses like her, like cattle
and stuff, just to do, you know, whatever they want. And
because I want to bring up this point before I forget try you're talking about
like Hessen when he can speak, when he can't speak again. For back
in that generation, this is like a big algory for this is a thing
that if you were black and people knew you could read or write, you
were pretty much a dead person. You were they because they didn't want people
to be advanced in a certain way that they'd get passed. So that's where
the same thing when Heston speaks off seeing this movie, it's like taken into
a room. But still it's like it's a good allegory for that of the
second he speaks he's under trial, they're pretty much executing him, you know,
like if he doesn't get at like they're and look at what they do,
that's maybe that could have dug a bit more than that. But I
didn't have time, which is fine still like pretty much a perk movie to
me is like I wish I guess they kind of gag him. I just
wish he would ask them a bit more about landing of like, hey,
why did like why does he have this big chunk out of his head because
they're like, no, like we've not seen anybody else could talk. Yeah,
go find your friend. And it's like, clearly he's been fucked up,
Like there's no ifs ands or butts, like zero kind of understands that.
It's just like they didn't even hide it. They should just killed them.
Really, but the fact that they like bottomize them and put them out
there like okay, well what gonna what's gonna happen? And the same thing,
right, that's an allegory that he clearly probably was captured. He talked,
and then right away they just but again, who else knows because someone
would have been told to bottomize the sky, right, Yeah, so there's
probably other apes that know or think something's up right. I guess the only
difference there is like Taylor had Zira to kind of protect him because she was
very hands on, but Landon just had this guy that was getting paid minimum
wage probably like whatever, let's just fucking. But even then, like yeldom
first that's I mean, like would ape just feel like, oh, it's
a talk one. I feel like they would go to the high command and
then they probably just got some order to take him out right, But that's
I mean, like, is there like a pawk? Is there like a
shift a of apes that know that we just bumped into a talking human and
what the hell is going on there? For sure? Is I mean the
best place to talk is in public like Taylor did. So yeah, yeah,
because then everyone knows about this talking man because they say he's been there
for weeks. After that, like for trial, they don't kill him right
away. He's been in prison for weeks, sin it'ce like okay, So
yeah man, It's it's just interesting, Like there's so many different moments in
this movie when I kind of just try and it's funny because the whole idea
this is that it's flipping humans and apes, but I like, just try
and flip it again, like back to what it would have been, like
if you're Zious and he does that one on one meeting with just like a
monkey in that situation, Like if Zius is a human and you just bring
it in a monkey and he's just having a full on conversation with the monkey,
Like I just think that would blow my mind if everything that you've actually
interacted with them, like they're you can't even domesticate these creatures because they're just
like feral or whatever, and like you're just having a full on conversation.
He's like he can read and write. Like to me, I feel like
there's moments that just it's like why are they not tripping out as much as
they should be? But then it makes sense that Zius actually knows already that
there was some humans or sorry, there was a set of humans that actually
had like dolls that could like they have at one point, they were the
main primates they were, So I guess if we found that, if like
if we found monkey dolls like that like spoke and like, that would totally
change our entire outlook on that. So there was a couple of moments throughout
the movie that I just kept doing doing that flip, which is kind of
funny because the whole point of the movie is that it's Kirklea's like, what
would I do if I was talking to a chimpanzee? Fully, whatever I
do? First thing, Oh, I want to play this game. But
like I do like that that Zaias has a line where he believes that man,
he knows man could speak and with the top of the food chain,
he believes there could be more out there. But I like that he does
not believe that he's from a different like space. He does not believe in
space traut. He's like, why like the concept of space show literally just
like flying on the air when he makes that plane and fuck, I love
Zay. So the whole movie is just fucking taking away everything that makes he
takes the plane, he destroys it. When he looks at the writing,
He's like, like, I love He's just looking out for George Taylor to
like make advances and like ruin them. He's like the best like bully around,
Like fuck this that plaining crumple scene, that's fantastic. The uh what
you're talking about? Kirklea I think it's it's interesting because if you have Zius,
who knows about human entity and knows about this this history, but you
have a human that all of a sudden is talking and not talking like hand
off, yeah, get head off, talking like that, but like he
full on speaks like he just picked up, like get your paws off me,
damn stet Like he's perfectly pronunciating this, correcting them flew versus flown exactly.
And you're telling me that he's just been in the in this cage watching
what the apes do and could just click and you could just do it.
No, I feel like, okay, if Zius is still denying this,
and I feel like other apes should have been asking questions and figure out like,
okay, there's something going on here. But they just like they're so
like innocent minded, like why would one ape be lying about all this backstory
of our origin? Yeah, so we don't have to question it. They
don't double the council what they think. Zius just thinks that he's like from
a tribe far away, right, So in his mind, there's just like
a few other human people that could talk and they've just never found them.
But the rest of the Council's kind of just they they have really no idea
that to take it. I think it's crazy, Like, yeah, it's
one thing that he can like speak very well and like read and write and
actually like just stare into your eyes and have a conversation. But like he
also just picks up on like their whole politicking, like the trial sequence,
Like he knows what's going on there. So I feel like for many of
the apes at that table, that should have been a red flag, but
who knows. They're just all in the same camp of like whatever, we're
just executing him anyways. Well, and that's how I love where when that
trial starts, he's quiet, and when he goes to speak, he even
opens up with like I don't know your way of life. Like he is
trying to tiptoe around them at first, like try to fine calmon ground,
and then the end they just keep trying to like to muzzle him around.
He's just losing, and then he's fucking throwing eights around in course, Okay,
it's over for Tailor. He's not, Yeah, you can't get to
that level. Your cocks out and you're fighting these monkeys, like you can't
do this. Man, like you see he drops his trousers, are all
like, oh that's unfortunate. Oh yeah, I credit has he's naked a
lot in this movie, Like he's a guy that's confidence man head. And
that's how you can tell because landing when he was swimming, I don't know
if you know, when he was swimming, the actor like kept like covering
his not hasted. Man. He was full on, just like doing the
big His cock was just like best stroken as well, like and we doubble
last night. There's this great scene. I was saying this to these guys
they know, you know, to the Emily. But because I guess this
back Neahbor movies didn't have rating, so I don't know what it would have
been rated this movie. But I still think it's like a PG thirteen movie.
There's no FS, there's no even breast. That was a pitch originally
that I haven't the trivia that originally was when that all the women were gonna
be bare breasted. But they're like women know, all the human women were
just all gonna be naked. But they're like, let's not do that,
just like let's even you know back then, like let's focus on this market
that's widespreads. But oh there's this point where, yeah, they go swiming,
which is a great scene. It's so funny that they act like they
haven't seen water in ever, but they literally just saw water like a day
ago. But I get it. It's fine, you know again, it's
so funny. Hopefully you're listening to like a year in evance. Some people
have seen it between the hiking and that water like man, we sublimately remade
some things with their movie because I was like, oh, some care reacts
the same way with water, you know, Oh fuck he does. I
don't think about that because the character finds someone and later on finds the ball.
It's so funny. But it so they go swimming and they go to
shore and I was like, they're like, oh, are there any more
movies and like just men being naked and they they're on the beach and it's
just Hessen's standing there and then both doj and landing like bend down and it's
just their heads in frame, like right around Hesson's cock and there's like,
look at this Charlock Taylor Like it's like the best like unlike meant comedy I've
seen in quite a long time, Like it looked great, and Hessen looks
like he has that fore body where he's just like naturally jacked and like toned
up and stuff. But that was another thing I loved like about his physique
in the movie though. It's like it's not like he was just washboard abs
and like looked like he was just getting a pump on for the last however
many years that they're floating in space, Like he did have a realistic like
he had some fat in there that like he was kind of like you can
tell he wasn't doing a lot of working out in the ship, but like
it just it looked very natural. But he had a good, nice co
foundation. Like there were some abs in there for sure, but it wasn't
as ridiculous as some of these Hollywood bodies like camal in Eternals. You know,
he wasn't looking like that. Yeah, Heston, we need to get
to the gym six days a week. This chicken, take these steroids.
Fuck you, I'm just gonna make some money. Pay me, bitch.
But anyway, so where where were because start on Taylor and then we went
all over What do you think about George Taylor? As are antagons or last
thing, last thing I'll throw before the George Taylor thing with that scene when
they find the water. Yeah, I found it hilarious that it was like
it was like the first time they've seen water. But I found it even
crazy with that they find these like scarecrow type things and they're like, whatever,
let's just go for a fucking dip and drop all of our close you're
on like a foreign planet. I'm like, that would be the last thing
I do. But I digress. I've seen a lot of sci fi,
which these guys probably haven't seen so well. Even before we get to Tarato
and Stead because like one again, I love classic Heston. He finds that
shower and he's like, oh, like it's just like the greatest shower he's
ever had in this life. It's it's fantastic. But like, I know,
hundreds of movies do this, but I just I looked over to Emily.
I'm like, imagine if you were an astronaut and you fucking crash landed
on a planet and your ship was just gone like for a while, It's
just like it could just be And because I assume I don't know, because
they say they have three days worth, we don't know how many. I
don't think did they ever show a night cycle when they're hiking out, So
I think they're insinuating like it's been one day, but even it's like it's
one day, twenty four hour. Actually, who knows how it works there,
right, because there's looking lightning randomly in the goddamn desert with no rain
or anything. So obviously the fucking nuclear bombs have MESSI TERRAINO, but they
can brief fine. But just imagine that, like that idea that if we
were to crash land somewhere US three and it's like if it's just us,
like nothing else, because for a while there's nothing, there's just the ady
girl is killed in her sleep, yeah, looking mummified, like it's just
like you and I guess they literally do say we'd only have three days.
We probably just died. But just that realization of man like for and I
and we haven't talked about him. We were talking about this considering with our
movie because we I screen it for these guys and I show them version with
the score. A huge shout to Jerry Goldsmith because that first half an hour
is pure score. You take the score out of this this movie could you
could risk it being boring at times where they're just because they're walking for a
long time. And it made me happy where I was like, Okay,
yeah, I feel like we're doing the right thing. And some music here
because sometimes like oh do you need it, we'll take you out. But
it's just like one just the type of music, like all the it's such
a weird score, the sounds Jerry's making, and he's done many many great
tracks, like just everything when they're hiking. It just is that combination of
mysterious and creepy but nothing's creepy, like it's just rocks and stuff, but
you're making it feel like something is fucking off of this as his planet.
So first half an hour, the MVP is Jerry Goldsmith in the score because
he has to care this movie. And second of all that fucking apes theme.
My god, I thought, yeah, it's like shout out at him
because I said, for the first ass movie, I think like he if
the score sucks, this movie is definitely not as good as it is now
because like there's so much no dialogue for a while, you know, it's
just these guys. As we took four film, these guys like for twenty
and it's just hiking looking at stuff scenery, but the score is just it's
like haunting. It's just it's so damn good man. Yeah, I completely
agree. Just suits like the tone and all that jazz I was gonna mention,
Yeah, just when they crash land there and I feel like this is
just something because I've experienced so many like sci fi movies or maybe like survival
type games in this aspect of like you land on a planet, your ship's
gone, you got three days to live, it's like go and like just
just it like that, just how it started right there just kind of blew
my mind on like where their psyche was at, because I feel like right
then and there, it's like holy fuck, like we are all gonna die
on his planet, like probability, yeah, probability, Like we're all gonna
die in three days, Like there's no way that we're gonna find food,
water, shelter, all the like society, Like just the odds of that
happening are so slim. It just blew my mind. How Like it was
kind of tripped me out too, because like Taylor's psyche, he seems like
a fucking wacko at the start, of this movie. It's like, why
is he the captain this mission? Like this guy he's like laughing at Landing
for like missing his family and like or like just hit like where he was
a mortal man to be the most important one. It almost seemed it almost
seemed like Taylor was like the only one that knew that, like they were
never gonna go back to their like on their he knew their whole planet planet,
he knew they're gonna crash. He just yeah, he knew Nova was
there. He scoped it out already. I'm gonna have a woman. But
like yeah, because he's just so matter of the fact of it, because
like like yeah, Dodge, you don't get too much from him. Dodgers
all about the like, and I feel like Landon definitely is a bit more
word, but you feel it with Dodge and Taylor that they are like not
family men. And even then, like I don't even think Landing is because
I said it was an arrogant line, but because we don't ever know what
the mission is, right, it could just be exploration. But the way
that when Taylor says that about she was supposed to be the Eve to our
Adam, it sounds like they were supposed to find some planet and like bring
life to it, or like why else do we us as a society,
we're not sending any missions out there with a woman meant to just go reproduce
Right now, you're doing the interstellar thing where you're just bringing like sperms,
and maybe that's like at least yeah, yeah, the odds aren't great for
the baby production, like you're gonna have to wait a while there. But
and that's why, maybe it's just Taylor just being like a prick, because
he is a prick. He is like like and I do get it because
I was watching this a little bit with Gwen and she had to ask me
to talk about when hesson land and plant plants his flag and Hesson with the
loudest laugh you've ever heard in cinema, My god, and Hessen with those
huge ass teams zoom, and again you're like, this guy is not reliable.
He's fucking like But I think that's what I kind of like, is
I feel like that's the reason he survives because he's kind of squirrellly, like
because he's he's kind of like an offset guy. That that's why he can
he can go like get through these water somehow or the other two almost too
too straightforward that they couldn't get like they would die right away, and they
did, you know, like the like Dodge got shot twice, unfortunately he
got shot in this fucking statue, gets shot later like fucking just the circle.
That is a poor guy, and both times in the back and neck.
So he's just looking down from heaven like man. And then land and
like we said, he probably just spoke up way too fast when they had
him and it was it was over for him. But they're like, yeah,
so he plants that flag. And that's why I love that. It's
so interesting. I'm not saying I want a prequel movie, don't do that.
I just mean, like with Dodge, he's so obsessed with science,
and Landon talks about like it sounds like he was a bit of an egl
guy, wanted to be like an Neil Armstrong, get all this publicity,
but still for he's there for the mission, right because he plants the flag,
which is funny because, like you said, Kirk, this was before
the moon landing when they do that. But I just love that hethn decides
to laugh with this man because he knows they're not going back and no one's
ever heard this discovery. So he's just kind of like he is a pest.
He's I guess he's a realist because I just feel like the second that
ship crashes, he just accepts they're dead. You know, even with the
idea of him saying, oh, we got three days, he like,
he's just he has a cigar. He's laughing at the flag because he knows
they're never being found. He just accepts that they are kind of fucked.
But he's not doom and gloom about it. He's just like, well,
I'm just gonna smoke my cigar, go for my naked showers and enjoy what
I can. And I think what I like about him as this character,
and I think what it fits is one I just Charlton Hessen is like my
favorite because of this movie and other things. He's my favorite, like old
school classic actor. I love him, the voice, everything. He's just
such a an are about him. It's like the Nick Cage thing where it's
like you couldn't you can't teach anyone be like Charlton Heston. He just has
something about him where it's like he got it. But what I Love is.
He to me is a mixture of like what the apes were talking about,
what we talk about, where like not all men are bad and not
all men are good. There's times where he says things that are crass.
He's kind of an asshole, but he still means well, like he doesn't
have to try and save Nova, but he does. So that's where it's
just like I think he's the perfect embodiment of what a man is because if
you just got a guy that's all goody two shoe, it's like, okay,
yeah, all men are good and fighting for But even Tator himself,
he's kind of like a gray area character. He's kind of a prick,
you know, and like multiple times like Zero's like, Okay, we're gonna
do this, don't do this, and then he's holding Zius a gunpoint later
when he like agreed not to do that, and he's literally like to tell
I love that line, tell them to send down horses, animals, water,
and then like or what or I'll shoot him? Like he's like like
like he'll just he's gonna execute Zero's in front of everybody. He's not even
trying to be diplomatic. So that's what I think he's like a perfect representation
for this movie to kind of get a human that's somewhat in the that you
like. But at the same time, I think everyone would acknowledge that he
might be a piece of shit, you know, like you're rooting for him
because he's man, but there's something off about him. And yeah, great
job by Hassen. Heston's just just fucking phenomenal. I don't know how many
more Hesson retrospectives we're gonna do on this, but I hope in the future
we when we've gone through so much stuff, we do like ban Her,
like there's so much stuff. But yeah, I'm a big fan of the
Taylor character where you know, that's a big issue with the Tim Burton remake.
You know yet yet Charlton Heston and all of them thought, you know
what, Mark Wahlberg, that's a good substitute to put versus Charles Heston.
Oh Man casting director missed the mark on that one. So excited to get
there. Oh yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, anything else on Taylor or
move somewhere else. I took a quick look because I was curious about like
what their mission was, and yeah, there is that mention of you know,
she was going to be our eve. Yeah. Every seems like people
like translated the novelization from Spanish and found that it was just they mentioned loosely
the distance between Alpha Centauri and Beetle Juice and so they're different distances. But
it was purely just exploration. Oh there's a lot of mentions too, I
think from Taylor where just to get away from like the men of this generation
and whatever they were going to would be like seven hundred years in the future
or something like that. So yeah, because he says at the beginning,
right, the people that send us will all be dead, you know,
so and he and he's like it sounds like he hates these people. He's
like these asholes, you know, all they gone by time when you get
back, Like, I just want to know, like what was the day
to day life of George Taylor. You're just like, how to be here?
He's happy? What was his interactions? And that means he if it
was his exploration, he definitely was gonna fox Stewart, like he had that
completely in mind that that was gonna happen, So he was trying to get
in there. That's how they broke the glass. Yeah, he was the
first one to notice it. Yeah, and that's such a great reveal too.
I love that sound whatever they use. It's like the ships crash.
They're all like waking up, they got their hair and everything, and then
they look at it and just like that, it's like like it almost like
like a kettle going off and yeah, yeah, it's just like off setting
again. Even the beginning, it's like ships crashing, you've lost a crewmate.
Why they like mummified. We know why because it been gone so for
so long. When they get outside, there's like nothing, it just rocks.
What is this plant? So already in the first like ten minutes of
that landing, you're getting hit also so much like what the hell is this
place? You know, and like their mission just is going to shit,
like right away, like there's no there's no like landing, get getting your
beacon ready. It's just like, hey, we have three days to survive.
Let's just see what happens. And I it's funny I found actually watching
this there there's a lot of comparisons to uh, well maybe not a lot.
There are some good comparisons to Interstellar on just like what their mission even
is, like it sounded like when they were leaving and it was just the
wars or the world was at war. Uh, Like we're just going out
to a sport to find something better, and like it's it seems like it's
a one way trip. And like just the fact that they have like uh
like the similar effect of just how time works like that, like right away,
like first one minute of the movie, you know that it's been like
thousands of years since they left, uh for seven months, yeah exactly,
And like me watching that, I'm like, man, that's like that's such
ahead of its time concept. Like I understand the math was there that they
already understood that, but like to actually show that in media, it seems
totally ahead of its time. Because first time I watched Interstellar, I feel
like that's where it really hit me of like what that would be like for
space travel. But they already they already solved it for they're like an hour
down there, it's like ten years like geez, you know, but yeah,
and that's where I like to go. Like with Interstellar, that's like
they got it. They are pitched to watch the movie like go out there
to find something that you can bring back to Earth to help and really it's
to like find h oh, no, it's they say, to go find
a new home. But really the reveal is that no, it's like Earth
is dead and you're just finding a new Stewart with them. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. Yeah, the one who has a boyfriend out there somewhere in
space. Good idea. But with McConaughey, he gets brought there because he's
the only guy that can do it or the best. Right, That's why
his family, That's why I wonder what these three people. And even like
Land doesn't mention as a family, we go, oh, why is George
Taylor there? That's probably why right off, Like he has no family.
Maybe people don't like him, but it's one of these things of like he's
a guy like it probably you didn't find too many people wanting to agree to
do this mission, right, It's like you are going like like your entire
bloodline, everyone you know is gonna be gone, and then something like your
grandkids grandkids could be gone, you know. So it's just like he does
strike me as the guy he doesn't have much like bonds with people on Earth,
so he go, I'll do it, Like that's where I think he
fits and dodge he saw about signs. We didn't know much about Stewart,
and then, like I said, kind of insinuates that Landon's doing it for
like to be like a historical figure. And then he just rubbed it in
his face at the worst time, like you got your worst Lando. He
mentions though that like he's ready to die, so at least he accepted that
point of the mission. You know, I think you have to when you
when you go on a mission for that wise, and then once your ship
crashes right when you right when you're on this little boat and you're just in
the water, it's like you got to accept your dead like there's nothing.
And this one I was gonna ask, this is just a sci fi thing,
and because maybe they wouldn't tell us astronauts don't get given guns when they
go to space, do they? Or is that something we wouldn't know?
Why would they need a gun? Because what if? Because what if you
land on a planet and like this, like what if the people of the
moon. Do you think they didn't have a gun? Because like what if
they land on the moon, and but what if there was fucking anything like
anything? You defend yourself right right off the hop they would not let public
people know about something. That's what I mean, right, we would know
as something they I'm sure they would have guns, but they would know and
they prepare them for that. But in our state of being and what we
know, know, anyone that goes to the ISS, I know what's going
to space. They're not packing guns. They're packing food supplies and all that
kind of thing. I think they're landing though, right like they're if they're
like landing on Mars, not public not public knowledge for sure, but I
I feel like they would, but it would be different. I feel like,
and I'm pretty sure they did this in that clover Field movie where there
was in space and they had a three D printer and they just three D
printed like the gun and stuff like that, and they do that in the
movie. But yeah, some I just like, you'd have to have some
form of combat, right like, because I know we're being like more like
what out there and you wouldn't know, but we don't fucking know what's out
there. So like let's say they decid, Hey, some people are gonna
go land on Mars. You're gonna tell me you're gonna agree and knockle on
Mars with a weapon anything. Hey, there you go. So apparently apparently
they did have guns actually, like it was part of their survival kit,
right, like a very like all in one sort of weapon. And that
was the no I'm talking about like the Apollo mission. Yeah, like it
like it was an actual thing that they had and there like the cosmonauts,
like the Russians, Yeah, the Russian okay, yeah, well of course
Russians. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're ready for aliens. Yeah,
we're gonna take over. I guarantee you. I would hear that they have
them. They just wouldn't tell us, but I would because like I would
have that question. Even if you don't think it's like what if we land
on this planet, there's anything, even if it's not like intelligent life like
some sort of animal, like, we don't know what's fucking out there's galaxies
and plants. Again, I think if anyone thinks we're just like the only
species out there, only planets, like that's that's not a pot Like I
think you're living on a fucking dreamland there. So it's like if I was
landing on a planet and you're telling me to go plant the flag, I
want something even as the fucking sword, like I need something. So that
was the first time I thought about that when he said we have a bolt
with twenty pistols or fuck how one bowl at twenty pistols? New technology?
Yeah, no, when we have he says, we have a pistol at
twenty rounds. It's just like that's the first time we clicked, and I
was like, yeah, they must do that and not tell us, because
if you were landing somewhere, I'd want something. I would not just want
to be like, yeah, let's hope for the best, you know,
because I feel like when Taylor sees like the gorillas of the guns and stuff,
or at least if he got a look at the gun and he could
deduce something like you know what this is, you know, not like this
is like a specific name brand two thousand years later, but at least like
you could look at the simularities like Smith and West. Yeah, doctor,
it's like my favorite. But the gun, we don't know what happens,
right, because a gun that just the people say like they take their stuff
and they I guess just lost it in the woods or corn right, because
they don't talk about the gun, so they just got their stuff robbed.
Yeah, yeah, that would have been an interesting part if they actually found
it, right, because it would have been very different from their guns in
the field. Just Dodge Lennon Hasten just shooting down all these fucking Indiana Jones
scene. Fucking what what is? What does the guy say to the plane?
I can't remember? Yeah, oh you fucking savages. Yeah yeah,
that's you're damn dirty sandwich. You're down dirty babboons. Got a fucking MG
for just murders all the gorillas. And again I was joking about this,
but on the thing like with Taylor, like they kind of make his character
like be like a racists. Like I said, he like calls them bat
boons multiple Times's like an insult and clearly they're not bad boons, but like
that's the way Taraka is just like fuck these monkeys that got me locked up,
Like I'm gonna get at them and stuff. But again, requisite for
becoming an astronaut is knowing your monkey. I guess right, he didn't know.
He just knows babboons. They're all landed on the plenet of baboons.
This is that's a chimp. Ah. But yeah, and yeah, great
another great reviews. We know he could speak, but that seems office is
a classic like Terror's name. But it's just like, first of all,
the chase scene is great all through again that music because like I love to
like they use this like suspense music, but it's also mixing with like kind
of monkey sounds and that's great, you know, because it's just like there's
monkeys all around, but everything of when he's running through. I love that
they have great reveal of Dodge when they have the Museum of Humans and they
like have this all there, so it's all the reflecting. They just show
humans as like savages, like they're killing each other's rocks and stuff, which
is like not too far from the history and some recommendations. But he got
like the one chimpanzee with their kid and they're like taking the show and stuff.
And yeah, well at the end when he's just trying to get everyone
in the thrown nets everywhere and just like stinking on your damn Darty and just
like everybody just shocked, and such a great moment, you know, I
love. I love that entire sequence honestly because like just when he's going through
the city and in my mind I'm like, where the fuck is he gonna
go? And if anybody sees him, he's so obvious like a human that's
running around, but like from the apes perspective, because they're just like regular
people, like they're like terrified of seeing this like loose human like on the
go. So that was a fun little take, and uh yeah, I
love the Museum of Humans. I love how the scene ends, obviously,
but I also just love when he like goes through that church and they're doing
like the what would you call it, just the s or whatever? I
guess, so yeah, because they're talking about man and a yes and stuff,
well yeah, like they're they're God and how it's like like he's he's
just so many parallels to like what what would be said in like your own
little classic Christian church. So I just loved how put it in light that
like any type of society that's like cognizant of life, like I feel like
they would actually have some sort of deity, like you can even go back
to look at just like old the olden times of like the hunter gatherers,
like they had their little gods that they worship. Because as soon as you
think of like what we are like you got to imagine, Okay, what's
out there and who put us here? So I just liked the similarities there,
and yeah, I mean better better on originals on that, you know,
because there's so much to talk about what that sort of stuff, because
that that is fascinating. It's just like is that because there's stuff out there
that makes you believe? Or is that just because it's each generation as a
society. It's like that classics in our source code or source code, like
no one wants to believe, like whatever your religion is, no one ever
wants to believe that you just live die and then when you die, it
lights out and that's it, you know, because that's like the most scary
thing to think about, Like that's it. It's just like what's the point,
right, that's the argument there, right, And it's like like and
then it's like what literally happens when you do die? Because it's just like
you're just your mind's gone. That's why each society whether that's a good thing
or bad, and people could agree, you almost have to. That's like
that's like almost like a hive mind that lots of people do, like there
has to be something else out there if we if we did that, I'd
have to see if put put an invite out to Reuben because we've talked about
that in cryptoclues so many times. Oh no, he's got a good like
maybe a baseline to start on that topic. He just has like a he's
a cart full bibles. He's like pushing through and everything. It's got scripture
written on his chest like a tattoo. Oh the kids love this one.
What else? What else we want to touch upon with this? The character
of Nova, I like, I it's it's kind of funny now just looking
at her because especially if these are just like cave people, she's got like
makeup on. She's like the one standout of like all of these like cave
people. She's just like looking fucking nice. And I found it pretty funny.
It was all over it, oh yeah right away, and like Xyra's
decision, like she doesn't even explain it. She's just like, yeah,
I brought your gift. And then you find out like later on through the
guards, like yeah, she wants him to mate with him. And it's
just like, I don't think I really needed that character at all in this
movie, like looking back on it, because she really doesn't serve much other
than just helping his sanity because he's oh yeah, they're always laying on each
other on that cage, which I kind of like is the almost post him
as like lions, you know, like the way lions just lay on each
other like for warmth. Maybe too, they don't blankets. It makes sense,
good spray down, it's always no towels. Flay. It was a
mad house. What do you what are you doing in this situation? Let's
say like we all we all crash and then you see like me and Kirkland
die, and then the same question for you, Kirk, me and Travis
dye and then you're in this cage you can't really talk. And then these
monkeys just throwing a woman here. Oh I'm I'm getting here. I think
I'm just slapping those cheeks. First of all, the plants will slap your
guys cheeks if you survive, you know. The Second of all, no,
I just first of all, I got lots of all the balls here.
The apes constantly talk about and it could be because they're humans and apes,
but they talk about how the humans fucking smell real bad. So it's
like your idea might be to smell like clap the cheeks. But it might
Oh it would be disgusting, it would be, but you'd be like,
let's make down. Then you'd be like make the whole noise that down before
and you're like all clean. That's a good point. Yeah, get the
spot, get this spot. Yeah oh yeah, yeah, there's a good
point. But also like in this situation, like it's like my planet's fourth
years dead, like or two thousand whatever. It was like everyone that I
know is dead. I'm I'm completely stuck here. I'm marooned. I have
nothing else here, I'm captured. Like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna
get some in I'm probably gonna get some super diseases. I'm gonna get some
super diseases. I'm sure. I think where I'm coming from though, is
you think that? But I think you'd have to be in the situation because
I think my issue with going forward with it is just like how much Nova
might not be there, Like is it that of like is it you taking
advantage? Now? Clearly Nova is like interested, but just like they have
like like is there can you consent? Like I guess you'd have to wait,
I personally would have to wait for Nova to make the first move.
I could never make the first move. Like if she just comes to and
grabs the cock and then it's like, okay, I squish that thing right
off. You're like sex with stra but like you know, like if there's
some sort you pick up on something where it's like this is consentual, yes,
because if not, it just feels like she's a drunk girl from a
bar and you're like, yeah, she's like Nova, open mouth, Like
he's just like the way he's speaking to her, she doesn't know which he
does. Like he's trying to teach her, And that's why I think he
is the whole office It is no no, but I mean no no on
George Taylor's behalf to defend him. The whole movie is trying to teach her
how to speak and do things right. Yeah, he's not like and I
actually attribute the movie that I'm glad they didn't throw in some sexy and know
about the book they easily could have, because I think that's better. Of
Like, I feel like he is trying to he's with her and he like
has some attraction to her, and like did they even kiss? I don't
think so, Right, he kisses zero. But yeah, like so that's
where I kind of take it that route to where he's like, of course
it's something that's maybe on his mind, but he does want her to evolve
to like he's more interested in that. And that's what makes Taylor a very
interesting character where you could just make him that he's just there to plow,
but he's not. He's constantly trying to like no Va, and he's trying
to say up and like he's trying to communicate with her. So that's where
for me, I would have to wait till she learns a bit more and
gets some sort of cause the way they pose in this movie, they're fucking
like, look they are saying they are the equivalent to a bottomized human,
you know, Like that's what they're saying. Landin can be lobottomized and look
like he's with the rest of them. I personally couldn't get on with a
the bottomized person. So that's right, I mean jokes aside. I feel
like in reality, in reality here he's canceled put them on front Street.
Yeah speak, we got him in reality though, Like if this is the
case, if I go to a planet and like, let's say this actually
is Earth, Like it is the exact same situation, and we have these
like cave people that are like lobottomized humans. I feel like in reality they
are gonna be closer to like what Neanderthals are, which like they don't like
they're super fucking bulky and muscular, Like I would be terrified even though near
them, let alone locked in a cage with Nova, Like, there's a
good chance that she just beats the shit out of me in there because she's
like she is like a wild animal. Right, Hey, there's not fucking
Nova. Nova's fucking him. Yeah, Like it could be that route and
then yeah, like I feel like it would be although they are somewhat like
a human, I just think it would be like a completely different species or
like homo homo genus or whatever. So like I feel like the attraction would
just not be there, like at all all. But and also like I
feel like I have bigger things on my mind in that moment than just being
horny in a cage, Like I talk like I am about to die here.
Yeah, like I'm starving, I'm getting hosed every twenty minutes by this
fucking gorilla. If I'm getting hosed every tiny minutes, been shrawn the neck,
and apes can talk. I don't know if I can get hard,
that's gonna be something like your mind. Your mind's gonna be raising about these
fucking monks any anytime I'd be about to do something like fucking apes can talk.
Yeah, I think that would be another thing too, though. Just
terrify me is them just like shit talking to me in the cage, likes
beat me with the club. They'd be watching you nova, could you get
another way? Monkeys way? Come on? Do it like nos? Just
ready? Yeah, not inside. We don't want no mating yet. Oh
anyways on that route, I think that just feels like I'm not sure if
she's in the book, and that just feels like such a classic like movie
singer, there's always like a female like a love interest sort of protagonist,
and you're right. Other than her accidentally squishing the doll, she doesn't do
much. I think that's where I think the only thing she does is,
yes, he does kind of push backhand or once, so that's not great.
It is for the stake of his life because he was spelling and she
goes the fuck of all the shit, So I understand why he was mad
in that moment, but I think that's the that's the reason she's there,
is to show a softer side of him, because most of them he's a
badass or a prick, and he is, like I think when he's talking
with zero nice. But I think this is later on the movie, when
he's trying to teach her. It shows that there is a soft side to
Tailor and he could be a good guy and he's trying to look out and
he doesn't have to take right. Zer literally says you're leaving her behind,
and he says, I'm not. I'm not going unless I have her.
So I think that's the purpose she serves at least, just to show,
Okay, there is a good guy somewhere in there. So that that's why
I'd say for the rest of plot, not much, but just show Okay,
he he's decent, that he's decent with women. I guess, yeah,
ah, that always I shouldn't say it cracks me up. But just
when he's trying to like spell out stuff and she's fow she gets fucking livid.
Credit to the other guy, idiot. Credit to the other guy.
He saw her push that woman he's like, I'm gonna fight Taylor. It's
like a flying double kick on him. Yeah, he's ready to go.
And that's what I mean though, Like I feel like that early subspecies of
human, like like we're soft and fleshy compared to you know, our ancestors
where they just lived in the fucking wilderness, all muscle, like just fucking
leather cos lockhart all the time. The weapons, their weapons, they're not
used for pleasure weapons. Yeah, they skullfucked you, all right, but
to take I think right then and there, like that other ape human is
just gonna fucking kill me, like with their with their fist, just beat
the shit out of me. So he doesn't win that fight. He gets
saved right from the other apes. They separate him, so it's not like
he wins the fight. He got smart. He came out smart. That's
what I love. When the apes are chasing at one point and he runs
across that log to make the apes like fucking like hit the log with the
net. That's what I like. Like the apes can't get them for a
while because they're just like why like this is my headcamp, but they're kind
of like why is he like moving like this like human's usual move, like
they just run straight you know, where he's like zigging in his egg and
so yeah, I definitely too, like getting back to his escape scene when
initially I'm like, why are these apes like freaking out of him? But
like you also got to think about that as well, that like they wouldn't
be very uh like they're they're probably pretty soft compared to like what a regular
ape would be, right because an apes living in the wilderness and they're swinging
on vines where these ones like they probably got a dishwasher in their home,
like they they probably pay taxes, all these things. Like like they're very
separated from the savage ape that we've know, So that's always an interesting concept.
Although they look menacine with just their different face I guess and everything,
but like they're there and like human like to your point, they're using horses
to get around, they're using clubs and guns. They're not usually using their
brute force and hoses. So it is the reverse where Okay, they are
apes and they are a bit more stronger some facets, but they're not using
those muscles. They're being like humans, right, So yeah, it's good
observation anything else before we do trivia. Any other points you want to shout
there, take a look at my notes. I got one. You probably
have it, but in case you don't have one thing of trivia that goes
in hand in hand with like the conversation we had prior with Nova and Taylor.
So we'll see if you have it already though. Okay, the two
things I have just I think we already talked about. I love the line
that's your house when he's like, I'm gonna kiss you now, and didn't
she just go? But you're so damned ugly, Like I love, like
it's such a great delivery by Kim Hunter, Like it's just that's I love
that to them, like these humans look disgusting, like it's not even and
even like when Corney is if it's hit who the little guy is that that's
Zero's brother, right, I think that's your like nephew or cousin. Okay,
yeah. I love when he shaves and he just thinks he looks like
so Ugly's like why would you do that? He's like, well, where
I'm from, some people consider those good looking. He's like, you look
quite foolish now, like they just think he looks like an idiot without no
hair. So and shout out to Roddy McDowell. I love obviously. He
popped up a lot in this franchise. We haven't really talked about the performances
of all Gapes are great. I love Zius, love Zero, Cornelia.
He's my favorite one. I love Cornelius so much. I'm happy to talk.
Like I think we can tell about more when in the other movies because
he's in he's in a couple and then he reprises the role or he did
he comes back as a different eight too, but just so great that three
together, really good, and they're I like, they have lines of like
they don't believe him on some things. They are stern, but they are
still friendly and kind of with us. They're not just right like, oh,
we love you human and we're here with you the end. Like they
have shades too, Like all these characters are not just for like i'd say,
you know those two Zious and then you so you've got Taylor. They're
not just straightforward characters. All characters kind of have some gray around them.
So I really like that. Yeah, but Cornelius is great, even like
the President of the Assembly, like he's not in it much. But like
in that trial sequence, I just love all again, all the the the
acting of the actors beneath the mask and everything. But I feel like they
go the extra mile because like when they when they when they break away from
that that courtroom, like they're walking away, like they're trying to show like
they're they're kind of walking like little little monkey people. So I just great
attention to detail from everyone. Like the extras as well. I thought they
did a good job just just looking like like monkey people, Like they got
the outfits on and everything, but I just felt like there was more to
just how they looked to make me believe, and just yeah, I was.
I was very impressed honestly with all like the line delivery of every little
character here and there. It just it's I don't know, like I don't
watch much old movies like this, but it's just it's it's pretty crazy to
look at what it is now and now we're just flooded with so much content
that you can definitely kind of cheat and get behind with some maybe some lesser
performance or some some filler character that oh, no, one's going to really
focus on this one. But I just think that there's so many extra movie
pieces in this that just make it so much better and make it feel very
believable. Even though this is a movie from the nineteen sixties, it feels
dated in some aspects of like what they can do with the technology, but
it really does hold up, and it is crazy that it is. Would
you say, sixty seventy years old now, So yeah, just just wild.
It's dated in that way where it's like, oh, it's dated because
this is as much as they could do, not in the way where sometimes
movies get made day and you're like, this feels dated, like it feels
like it should not be of this generation, right, and in the worst
ways possible. This is like this feels like the peak of what they could
do, and they did it really well. So and the last night I
had we kind of talked about it a little bit, but I just really
love at the end when they read about like the Scripture of Man and they
go down this whole thing of like Corneil's Rood's like, man, we'll kill
one another, man, we'll doom mus and stuff, And I just love
that line from his eyes and he's like and I've through all my I'm paraphrase,
but everyone's just like, through all my years, I've seen nothing that
would dispute that. And it's great too because as Cornelis is reading that again,
when you talk about today stuff, it's like there's things in that scripture
that hasn't changed. It still happens today, and you kind of think like
that should have been a lesson that, oh, we should be in a
better spot where it's like back then they weren't and we aren't anymore. So
it's just like and then that's where the last part is, like I think
I'm on size the side a bit here where it's like, you know what,
they got a good thing going maybe just it's a lot. It's kind
of like the Dark Knight thing, right of like you're living in a lie,
but if the lie is better to living, do you keep living in
it? Well? Right, right, it's the matrix same thing. So
it's like, yeah, they could find more about man, but if these
apes are doing their thing, it's like why should they bend the knee?
And same thing when they read the scripture, like they're not wrong about any
of this stuff that man does in other and it's a great speech, so
uh yeah, good, good, stuff there, and uh, obviously,
and I really love to when the fake out when Taylor pretends he gets shot,
I'm like cornel Leiss Sarah, I'm die, she's like the most obvious,
Like, Okay, this guy's not shot, but the show's like Zius,
who's like that. I said, we got fucking get another one down.
They're not finding a secret. And then he gets fucking choke hold.
But all right, just do some trivia here for playings. Let me just
pull it up here, so I would say, and like what Kirkan was
talking about, I didn't put it all, but if you want to go
down being read about the makeup, lots of stuff about the makeup and how
the production was and stuff. So if you have interest, tons of stuff
there, lots of facts. During breaks and the filming, actors made up
as of groups of different apes and species tended to hang out together gorillas with
grills or ranu tangs with rain tanks, chips with chips. It wasn't required,
it just naturally happened. So I'm not sure if it was like certain
like makeup things or whatever, but that is kind of like a funny even
study on set, just to see that they kind of broke up and like,
oh you're you're grilled. Yeah, me too. Uh. At one
of the first screetings, a woman walked with Charlie Heston asked how he was
doing. Hessen had no no idea who the woman was she until she revealed
that she was kid Hunter. He didn't recognize her because she had not seen
her with that makeup those who played zero, so he had no idea who
she was. And then God, I just would love who are you?
Fuck off? I'm Charlton Heston, I'm here from my premiere. Who are
you? Oh, Zerra? I just love. I would have loved to
see in an annoyed to Charlton Heston. So Charlton Heston was sick during much
of the film with the flu. Rather than wait for him to get better,
the producers felt that his horse voice added something to the character. According
to Hesson's diary, after filling the scene which Taylor Noble were forced we separated,
he wrote that he was feeling like Hell was shooting it because of his
illness, and felt even worse every time the damn fire hose hit me.
So imagine you got this guy with the flu and like, hey, we're
gonna shoot this high powered hose at you. Anybody, you know what what
a champ he went through with it. But yeah, so I guess he
was sick through the majority of this filming. And they're right about the voice
because it almost adds to that throat thing. But he just again, great
voice. Oh fuck off notification. Don't hate that. When you go to
click on something and a notevocation comes at that right moment and then you click
on it, it takes that fucking worse. Let's see in the original script
the female Yeah, I told you, we're all bare breasted. But they
squashed the idea, let's see the producers film and listened several journalists to play
background apes. The idea of this was to get them to write about the
film. So that was some nice early marketing on their part that, oh,
well, if we get these reporters, they'll be writing about it.
So those reporters were working hard back in the day. Oh my god,
to get a story, you gotta dress up as a fucking ape and a
cheer for makeup hours. My god. John Chambers outstanding makeup effects pioneered this
film, or pioneer in this film. We're based on a technique he had
used during World War Two to give this figure veterans a normal appearance. So
think about that, this guy was helping World War two vets like when they
got back to look somewhat normal, decent or just like feel better about themselves.
And he's that's what you're getting on this movie as a guy who worked
on vets on this movie. Make it look like monkeys and stuff like that
all the vets. Ah put this mask on in the morning. It's just
a fucking monkey. Yeah, but you're half your face is back. Uh,
let's see you. We spent many hours watching apes in the Los Angeles,
studying their facial expressions to do this. So oh boy. When Franklin
Jay Schaeffer came on board, he was a director. One of his first
acts was to reimagine the ape society. In the script he was given.
The apes originally lived in a high tech world. Shafner wanted it to be
more primemitive, and this also helped reduce costs. Very happy that how happened.
I'm with you, career tumble, like just outside their society and stuff.
I there would have been something less than me if they are all high
tech, because like right away that scene when he like creates a paper plane
and they're like, what the fuck, Like, if it's high tech,
I feel like they wouldn't react that way we've got playing, So I think
this was the better ruck. Especially it makes sense if like we got two
points society, nuclear war happened and then gets reduced and you're like building yourself
back up, it wouldn't make sense. They were all like a high tech
like you literally to me, would start the evolution chain again from the beginning,
but instead of man rising up, it's monkeys. So I feel like
they'd be the same way like we had Caveman and like the sixteen hundred eighteen
hundreds, like think about fucking like just even nineteen hundred and what we can
do now the tech we have, right, So I like that it wasn't
a good call by the director. Good job Shaeffer, Good job. Yeah,
I feel like that would have had so many more plot holes in the
fact that, like his story of arriving there from space would have been a
lot more believable because if they're high tech, they would have done that.
And also like you would have thought that if it's high tech, they could
just like check his DNA and like confirm all these stories that he's saying,
lie detect her tests, like all these technological things that they could have used.
So I'm very glad that it was not the case. Yeah, let's
see. Kim Hunter Report, who plays Zero, probably found it's so claustrophobic
that she would take Volume each morning while being made up as Zero. After
a while, she didn't think she needed the pills anymore and went into the
office one day without taking one. After the morning's makeup sessions, she thought
she did fine, but her makeup artists threatened to find someone replace him if
she didn't start taking them again, as apparently he'd become exhausted with wrestling her
the whole time. So she's like, yeah, I didn't need any more.
In the makeup urts like I'm gonna fucking quit. Yeah, I'm gonna
quit. I love that he's literally telling the director she needs to take valume
now, So there you know, they're taking fucking valume just like make sure
this didn't happen. Uh, let's see here. Oh this is just like
I don't know why I do this and just like a fun trivia. Linda
Harrilson Harrison, who plays Nova, was having an affair with the producer Richard
de Zenuk at the time of the production in the year's film after the film's
and divorced's first wife, and then Mary Hudson. The couple were married and
had two children. So, uh, there you go. So someone was
a like a nova on that said as well, and then then the last
two Charleton Heston was the first exposed to Planet eights. Oh, I told
you this. He didn't like the book at all, but you thought it
would make an interesting film, so he did it. And apparently I don't
know what they were. They didn't sight so I have to look into it
more. Maybe it's not a DVD. But there are three different endings,
but this ending is the one that Heston wanted. And as you can see,
like Heston was from the very beginning. I don't think he has a
producer credit on this, but it's very much like, uh, you like
and Charli Heston. I'm not trying much. You guys know he was a
big deal back in days. It's like if you got him, it's like
you're gonna do what he says. I took that as the case because I
feel like it's so it's not normal these days and movies to just have like
the big title for plenty of the Apes and then like the main actor like
over top of it. Like yeah, like I thought that was gonna be
like the director or something when I first saw that. It's like Charlton Heston's
Plan of the Apes like that sort of deal. So right away I could
understand the star power that he would have had. I mean even just like
the opening scene we talked about his kind of alpha yes, Alpha sixty's way
that he that he spoke about it. But also like this movie is so
much of him, like like it really isn't anyone else and I I mean
a lot of people are wearing practical effects and they are doing good line deliveries,
but he like he's doing it all. He's freaking out, he's going
back on his shoulders, it's getting sprayed. Yeah, it's it's like it's
not a one man show because like you said, that'd be like disrespectful other
people. But it's just like you got to have a good lead. And
like I think the movie is still is great overall, but like with him
as his character, it adds so much. And you know, I'm surprised
if something like Tom Cruise doesn't do any actors nowadays. How come we have
got like a Tom Cruise And then in this movie, you know, like,
how come we haven't seen Tom Cruise mission? That's what the mission impossible
is though it is so right, and that's the way Tom Cruise runs those
movies. Sounds like that's how Hesson was running this one. And to his
credit, I don't know what those other two endings were, but this was
and I've never read the book. I've always actually wanted to, so I'll
find an audiobook. But whatever the other endings were, Heston him saying we
gotta go with this one was the right call because it's like the class againting.
I don't know if that was like him escaping. I don't know if
it was like the twist of the like the Statue of Liberty. But whatever
it is, he chose right because the ending is like pitch perfect. Min
opinion. So Taylor phil final thoughts in a rating for nineteen Charlton Heston's nineteen
sixty eight Planned the Apes Well my little note here too. Yes, there
was at one point it was decided that Nova was actually gonna be pregnant and
that scenes were filmed around page locations, so I think some stuff from the
book revealing that she was actually pregnant. And then the penultimate drafts they a
plant of the apes tailor was actually killed by the bull of an ape sniper
while Nova was pregnant with his child, and she's that's probably one of those
ending that he was like, let's not kill me, let's say, well,
that's just it. It's believe Heston rejected the idea of Novah's pregnancy.
The scenes deleted, but they're saying that the scenes do like there's a lot
of footage of it actually out there somewhere. I gotta find that that.
I think that's a good call that that was. That's to me what that'd
be something that So again, we'll get to it next month. Hesson is
in the sequel, a very reduced role, but he's in there that to
me would be like a sequel thing to do of there together. And he's
praying she's pregnant. You could do that too, But that's the other when
we talk about having sex and no, that'd be the other fear of mind.
It's like, I don't want to get anyone pregnant while I'm dealing with
this stuff like that'd be a whole nother just bringing a kid into this dynamic,
Like, no way, that's that's something. But that's interesting, right
call to cut it though, I think there would have been one too many
plot lines going on unless this movie like took place over a year. But
it's like, I don't know a couple of days out of these people's lives.
So I think it was a smart, good call. So but yeah,
overall, the film holds, it really does. It has aged in
its own way, but it has a very unique quality to it that's very
substantial, I would say. And it's just if they did like a modern
game or something like this, I feel like it's such a unique asthetic that
I would kill for that. It'd be so nice and I'd be there for
it for sure. I just I think that the way they spun this story
along after in the following sequels, while there some moments are hit some or
miss, I feel like this this film at least there's a great job at
having its messaging conveyed and has its its practicality and effects used, And I
just it it will stand the test of time for hopefully two thousand years into
the future. But yeah, I will happily revisit this film in the future.
It's always something I'm definitely gonna go to. And I'm I'm gonna be
generous. I'm gonna go ten out of ten because I just I really enjoy
this film. I think it's it's a sixties film, and there's not there's
not a lot of films I can go back. It's like, yeah,
I really love the sixties, the sixties film. Like I'm not like,
I'm not a super huge film buff guy who pull a roster and think,
oh, yeah, this is from the film from the fifties. From the
sixties, I can go to that. But this is probably one of the
earlier films that I've really actually engaged with. Well, there's a couple other
ones, but there later like Jaws and Alien and stuff like that. This
is definitely this is this is old school, and I'm very appreciative for it's
mark and it's it's a stamp on leading the way and paving the way for
other different mediums and franchises to grow and everything. Well, this one is
still getting content today. So very excited to talk about this. I don't
think that's a I think you said a generous score and all that that's a
score, in my opinion, should be on the same thing. I'm a
ten to ten love this movie, like, yeah, it's age, but
its age like we said in the way where it's a movie from nineteen sixty
eight, like everything's gonna age. And the fact that it holds up this
well when we talk about when a movie can have storylines and ideologies that still
hold up till today, well, I mean, it's not a great thing
for us as a society, but that shows how good the movie and the
book and the content is because and even then it'd be done well for even
if we had all our problems, Like well, back then, right,
that's where it was. So Yeah, performances are great, scores, phenomenal,
great locations, the makeup just like yeah, it's just almost like flatterergasting
that back then they made something so good, And I think that's why it
has most to the test. I'm see, I'm a I'm a ten.
One of my definitely one of my favorite sci fi movies. And if I
had like a top fifty movies, it'd be in there. I this kicked
off, But there's a lot of great movies in the series, but this
is still the one I always returned back to as far as man, I
just love this movie and yeah, something like that game soon make that fucking
I'd love to RPG. You guess your ship crash lands and you got to
go out there and fuck man, choose your character. You can plays one
of the three, very different endings for one of the three, one of
the landing play shortest front time ever credits roll within the first minute. See
you can have your mission? Do you sleep with nowhere? Do you not
like you? There's a lot of things you could do so but yeah,
I guess that game curse like you have super aids now you're you die?
Yeah? Super strong but short lifespan. Yeah, no, I I agree.
Ten out of ten movie. I think that it completely holds up.
It's it's honestly like a wine where it just it ages better or it tastes
better with the more it ages, just because of like I think the like
the sci fi significance that this movie has, like like all those concepts really
hold up, as well as all the social things that it tackles, and
just I don't know, it's the type of movie that makes you think and
I feel like those are just really important movies to have, and the fact
that it came out in nineteen sixty eight but still is just has that significance.
It just it speaks to how special it was and it it just it
makes me so interested to like go back in time and watch this for the
first time in nineteen sixty eight and like where that was, like just give
me a time machine. Man. I don't I don't know. I don't
want to go say this that. I don't go sit down a theater with
an audience in nineteen sixty eight and they're like whoa, yeah, and like,
I'm curious if just people hated this, like like maybe it's just like
oh this is so ridiculous or what it is, or maybe they're just super
intolerant of others for walk in nineteen sixty eight. Yeah, exactly. I
don't know. So Yeah, no, I love this movie. It's definitely
definitely. I don't know what my list of favorite movies would be, but
this is on there just for just for the significance of it. It's it's
top one hundred in that list somewhere. Yeah, that's an easy that's an
easy statement. Yeah, there you go. That's not the how many movies
we seemed like, even just in our eight years doing this, how many
movies have we loved and what not? Right, I don't think it's a
easy statement nowadays. I think it's an easy statement though, just for like
what it is, Yeah, like how good it is. There's certain movies
that when I watch them, like this is easily in my top one hundred.
But who knows, maybe if I put them on paper, it's like,
woof, that list is filling up pretty quick. Maybe you know what,
maybe we'll do that for a ten year anniversary. That'd be a good
guess we did. We did, almost did a top one hundred. That'd
be stressful though, because it's like, oh, I forgot about this movie.
But I mean your top one hundred you shouldn't be forgetting about it.
We are from the GV nine anniversary gives a whole year, and like,
what are your top one hundred films? You know, don't have to rank
them in alphabetical, but yeah, talk a little bit about every single one.
Maybe won't do that. I may just you give us ten. You
give us ten, go check out our review, you know, Yeah,
it's like a ten hour cast. Well, there you go, Jomen,
We will be back for the patrons next month and then for the whoever's listening
to this on public feed next week. I think next week is Beneath.
It's Beneath, right, that's the next one is Beneath, and that's next
one. Yeah. I am very excited top about that, because that is
a fucking wild ass movie that, like I said, it's like, man,
you look at that first one and you go, how did we get
from here to there? And I'm really excited. So I think it's gonna
be a good one. Tune into that, and uh, we promised you
that one will not be boring.