Weird thing happened in the backyard. Weird weird, weird, Wow classic,
lets us lets a start, Yo, what's up? We had to bring
the energy today. We have um a surprise exciting guest, our producer Alex.
Everybody gave in my hand, whoa and I'm playing Alex today. Hey
everybody, Hey Alex, Hey Alexy. And we got the headphones on because
I am I'm not giving up control this easy. Yeah, you have to
let it go, man, I'm that's that's what this is is. I'm
practice of letting go produce today. I know it feels so strange. I
mean it feels pretty strange for me too, to be honest, but we're
gonna get through it. I want to be in the chair. Well too
bad. It's not about you, it's about me. Oh god. So
man, Yeah, we we had just been talking about it for a while
and we were like, you know, how cool would it be to like
have Alex on the couch and sort of have like a an open conversation and
get some of Alex's perspectives on things. So I don't have any clue where
we're gonna go today. I just figured, you you know, have a
lot to get off your chest, and we'll go into whatever you want to
go into. Well, I have a question. If we want to start
off with a question, yeah, let's do it. It's a little bit
of a hardball question, so just go ahead and prepare yourself emotionally. My
question is, how did you get so hot twenty five years of I don't
know aging like wine, I don't know, man. My mom's pretty good
look in, my dad's pretty good look in. It's just kill that it
works like that. But no, Nick, because you did that, I
want you to think of a hard question, like a real hard question,
and I want it before the end of the episode. I can. I
can definitely do that for sure. I had a couple pop into my head
immediately when he said, all Um, would you believe me if I told
you? This is the third time I was a guest on a podcast.
Wait what explain? Uh? Oh, I know what you're gonna Yeah.
Yeah, Alex Hunt shout out Alex sunt He does phishing videos and podcasts.
He invited me on his show twice. He's an ex co worker of Hours.
Yeah Away, yep. He has a fishing podcast. His podcast,
I think he tries to highlight people in the community. It's pretty Hunt for
Greatness or something Hunt for Greatness podcast. Yeah, he tries to um it's
like a local yeah thing, and then he does he fishes a lot,
so he does the fishing. I didn't realize you were like a guest on
there, though I know about the podcast, like he's a cool guy.
Yeah, I didn't realize you were on there. The first time I went
on and kind of talked to a lot of conspiracy stuff. That's why you
brought me on. Talked about conspiracy, talked about substances and my relationship with
them and why I was open about them at the time. My thoughts have
changed a lot. That was probably five years ago. So okay, we
were just meeting five years ago. Yeah, this it was probably right around
the time I met you, or right before I met We met in twenty
eighteen, I know. Yeah, so that's when I started working with you.
Yeah, and that lends itself to that story pretty well. Which if
you've been hanging out and you're an Omi and you've been hanging out with us
for a long time, you probably know that story. But I figured a
good time to go into it, super deep into it, So I worked
at a furniture store here in town, and we were hiring for salespeople.
And my job at the time was I was kind of all over the place.
I was doing a lot of it, some management stuff, a lot
of customer service stuff. But basically my main role when we would have new
people come come in get hired was basically setting up the iPad and and kind
of getting the equipment ready for for people coming in. You realize you were
basically like the shadow government for that company, like Alex. Seriously, dude,
Alex did like all the behind the scenes like stuff for the company.
There was There wasn't like one role. There wasn't one. It was very
It was very It was a very lean company. And what I mean is
like there was not a lot of We did a lot. We did a
lot of business. We did a lot of things with a very very small
staff, like everybody's family business. So yeah, you you would like you
you gained all the intel, and I learned all the intel because we were
cool. I knew all the like behind the scenes stuff. Yeah, you
know some of it, kept some of it right for sure. For sure.
I know my place, I know my place. Yeah, But like
you know, a lot of the stuff I kept close to the chest.
And yeah, I've been thinking a lot about that man lately, just with
because I don't work there anymore and my job now is vastly different, and
I just like I've just been reminiscing in that whole role. And it was
fun that we fun part of that. We just had fun every day just
hanging out, like you know, with because because I was in sales,
Alex was not. Alex was more like a salary you know, like he
had tasks to do for the company, and I'd be maybe there be some
days where I would talk to two or three clients on a slow day and
then the rest of the day, me and Alex are just chilling, dude.
One time, uh, one time we left and we would just like
go shopping at the sports store down the store. We would go have like
two three hour lunch breaks sometimes just sitting out, you know. A terrible
influence. Man, Oh, you can't talk about the trails, bro,
Yeah, yeah, sales. No, that was a great time. Yeah,
so we and we spent a lot of time talking about this after after
we met, and that that story is um, you actually had come prepared.
I remember this and it's so fitting now, like for the job you
and you showed up with your own iPad. I'm a hard worker, bro.
Yeah, first day you showed up with your own iPad. And that's
just so so strange because you see all types of people in retail salesen um.
So you said, you handed me the iPad and said, yo,
man, will you put me on the on the Wi Fi? And that
was like a close guarded secret because I didn't give that stuff out because people
would just be sitting around watching YouTube videos and stuff like that. So I
go and I put you on the Wi Fi and I put you on the
Wi Fi and the first thing that happens was you get a Reddit notification.
Oh yeah, while I'm holding on iPad. Yeah. And so I handed
it back to him and I'm like, you know, I just try to
be friends with everybody that I work with. And I handed it back and
I said, yo, man, you Unreddit and you said yeah. And
I was like, well, what kind of subreddits are you into? And
you're like this, I kid you not. You said you like our trees?
No, no, no, I said, I said what are you
into? And You're like, oh no, the basic ones like that's the
answer you game. Yeah, And I was like, well that's cool.
I like trees and conspiracy and like full open up right, I'm like,
this is what I'm into. And he's like, oh yeah, cool cool,
and then we kind of just went our went our separate ways for the
day. I had to do video training for hours. Yeah, And then
it was a day or two later when it was time for me to issue
your your equipment, and I remember we went through all of that. You
picked it up like quick because you obviously right um, and you said,
yo, man, I forget how it started, but we ended up talking
about Alistair Crowley's face on the Beatles started album for the album. Yes,
that was the first thing, because you would you would remembered that I had
talked about conspiracy, and so you open up this door with the conspiracy thing,
and we started talking about that because that blew my mind. And then
we started talking about Alister Crowley and led Zeppelin. I'm pretty sure it's pronounced
alex Ter Crowley. Just back check you there. It's about you. So
uh yeah, and at the time super into conspiracies, and one thing led
to another and you probably remember this more than I do, but you started
telling me about your family and your in the experiences after feeling me out.
Yeah, I felt you out for like two three days, and I was
like, Okay, this guy's really cool, really open minded, like let's
see how he reacts. And I just like started showing him stuff about my
dad, and I just remember your eyes and at the time, you were
only like you could have been older than eighteen or nineteen. You were pretty
young. I was eighteen nineteen twenty somewhere. I could do the math,
and I was like, you know, we're five years apart, so I
was, you know, twenty four or twenty five. I think I was
twenty four. That was a little bit older. And I just remember like
this is a smart, older teenager fresh out of school, but like he's
really intelligent. And I was like, let me see how he reacts.
And I'm telling you this stuff, and I just remember your eyes were like
saucers, like you were so into it. Yeah. No, I remember
I remember being like not really like mind blown, but more like I've got
to know more. Yeah, that's so cool and never never like doubt,
not doubt and like you're full of shit, but like doubt and like I
need to find out more. Well, I started showing you the pictures of
like all you know, the CIA parties I've been to all this crazy.
Later on, so we end up at your apartment and within days we just
started working together. I'm like, come over to my house, let's hang
out. Yeah. So I got off work. Who does seven? I
got to work at seven, immediately went to your house and that first night,
I remember, man, we talked on the couch like this, exactly
like this until two three in the morning, and I'm like, dude,
I have to leave, like I gotta go back to work tomorrow, Like
I don't want to. We're having such a great time, but like this
hasn't gone on long enough, and we've yeah, yeah, yeah. We
did that a couple more times in the next in the next two three weeks.
And um, it was shortly after meeting you and having those conversations where
I was like, man, you need to have a podcast for real.
We had barely known each other, like we it was weak. Yeah,
And what I didn't know is I didn't know Nick, and I didn't know
that Nick had been telling him something very similar, you need to start a
podcast. So I have known no clue who Nick was just talking to Ryan,
just talking about the conspiracies and the and the experiences and stuff and pushing
him to do a podcast. Fast forward years. It took you years to
kind of take that leap, and for good reason, and now we're here.
But what's so interesting is I've always, for as long as I can
remember, been into that conspiracy side of things. Yeah, and this alternative
thinking, questioning what we're supposed to believe is true, right, Yeah,
And in my opinion, every person has the initiator, like the initiator in
their life. Like you don't wake up one day and like I'm going to
study conspiracy theories. Yeah, it's something. It's either a piece of media
or someone in your life that that kind of turns that on or turns you
onto that that thing. And for there was somebody for me, and I'll
keep this person anonymous and they know exactly who they are. But I was
young man. This was prior to two thousand and twelve, because the first
thing that we started talking about was the Mayan calendar and the world ending in
twenty twelve, and this had to be in two thousand and ten, two
thousand and eleven, which would have made me thirteen twelve, thirteen years old,
hour twelve. Yeah, so I'm freaking out thinking the world's gonna end.
Oh yeah, they all were yeah, yeah, yeah, um and
then it started to have already. Baby. I smite that night, yo,
real quick. I vividly remember the day that Ryan told me about that,
and you were we were in school. We were in school that when
you told me about like the Mayan calendar and all the you know, two
thousand and twelve stuff, and I'll never forget you text it. We were
texting when you were telling me about it, and I left the class.
I was in like in complete existential dread. Dude, I kid you not.
I had like a movie scene where I was looking at all the kids
and everybody in the hallways between classes, and I swear I had that moment
where I was like, these poor fools because they don't even know. It's
like that meme when you it's over in the corner at the party, like
they don't know the world's gonna end in twenty twelve. Get them enjoying themselves.
Ye, so I kind of I started saying all that too, I
guess bring us to the point where we met, and I remember being a
young kid and lying in bed basically praying. Because I grew up Catholic.
I don't think that's if you've been falling along, you know that went to
Catholic schools. So I ended up in Mass twice a week, naught a
little altar boy. I was never an altar boy. You had you had
to train to do that, you had to go, you had to like
spend time out of school to learn how to do that. And I just
never my mom wanted me to. I'm like, I don't know. Yeah,
so, but I did speak at ours, Yeah, our school Mass.
I've spoken a couple of times, having to go up there and open
the gospel, and I was so nervous. I mean, naturally, I'm
a child. Yeah. So I remember laying in bed as a child and
wanting God to just show me the truth, Like as I'm getting into these
conspiracies and they're eating me alive by night and I would have to go do
my normal day to day stuff. I remember laying there and being like,
I just want to know the truth. There was a point in my time
where at point my time, a point in my life where I thought the
highest honor was to get assassinated by the government. I remember, Yeah,
we were friends at that time. Yeah, super into the conspiracies, man.
Yeah, like, if you're banned, you're doing something right. And
like I get the logic, you know, I get it. So when
we started doing this behind the scenes, I'm like, all right, what's
our plan if we get kicked off of YouTube? And it's still like I
still think about I don't think it's going to happen for for a while at
least, it's always in the back of my head. I honestly, I
definitely think we're shadow band. Yeah in some way. I mean, dude,
but sorry to cut you off, but like my dad shows me all
the time. I mean every time I go home, he shows me this.
Like he for for a very long time, he was stuck at ten
thousand followers, and in a week he would gain like one hundred followers.
Sometimes a day he'll gain thirty forty fifty followers, and then he'll lose just
as many. And he was constantly like ten thousand, tene ten, ten
thousand, one hundred. He was he was stuck at ten thousand, what
felt like or nine thousand. He couldn't quite get to ten thousand. And
it's like, come on, man, like there's something's weird going on,
and no, I still believe that stuff. But shadow banding is a real
thing. Yeah yeah, no, for for certain um so getting eaten alive
by the conspiracy theories because they started to lead into I started getting more interested
in political stuff and not you know, moon landing aliens, that kind of
thing, and so it was like the government's evil kind of Yes, yeah,
I got and I like, I still have some of these feelings,
but I'm getting somewhere, I promise I remember, I'm just righting a wave
baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a surfer. So having known
your story and knowing you so personally and then dealing with all of this conspiracy
political stuff and falling into, you know, really starting to fall into one
particular theory about some bachelor who lives on an island and does what he pleases.
I'm not gonna get what everybody knows I'm talking about. Yeah, the
guy that was arrested very publicly. It gets very dart a name for banning
purpose what I'm saying, Yes, okay, okay, it gets very dark,
and I'm like, I believe that the height of all that news was
when we were just really becoming friends. So it was a very present,
you know, it was just all going on. Yeah, thank you for
like clearing the timeline up a little bit. I know, I'm jumping all
over the place. I believe that right, and I believe in that darkness,
and I remember having the revelation to myself that if the dark exists,
and I believe so heavily that the dark does exist, the opposite of that
has to be true because it's seven one of the seven hermetic principles, Like
the light has to be just as real and just as prevalent. It's like,
it's not just one side that exists. And that that was the beginning
of the end of my real heavy political conspiracy thinking and gloom and the process
for me to leave all of that behind and really start focusing on the things
that we focus on on the show, which leads, you know, everything
into the show and how the show has helped me and just like, like,
and I'm not saying you shouldn't have your own thoughts and stand up for
what you think is right. I just think that you have to really protect
you yourself, your your mindset, your inner self, and your energy in
order to like actually start progressing down this spiritual you know, you can't focus
on the negative stuff all the time, right you can't. Yeah it's not
good. You're not gonna go anywhere. Yeah. Yeah, So now we're
here, and uh, I don't know what else you want to talking about.
Yeah, Wow, that was really cool. You know, like it
wasn't particularly awesome because you know, as I've talked about many times on the
show, and like especially now in full disclosure, where I'm just going on,
you know, all these solo rants, giving a little bit more insight
into like my background and how I've come to reach certain conclusions. One thing
that I'm pretty open about is like I'm very guarded about, you know,
who I reveal this information to. You know, talking on camera to the
internet to thousands of strangers that I don't know is a lot more comfortable,
and that's uncomfortable sometimes to believe me, But it's a lot more comfortable than
like face to face to people I've known for let's say, coming on thirty
years now, and I've never had these weird conversations with them. And it's
like this altar life, you know, I have so many cousins and relatives
and aunts and uncles that I've never had a single conversation about any of this
stuff with. Yeah, And I just have this sense about people after knowing
them. In your case, it was within a matter of like two or
three days. But I have this sense about people now that I've developed through
so much heartbreak of being a kid and not thinking people would not believe it
just because they know us, And it's like, oh, you know,
we're close, They're gonna believe us. You know, when you tell people
about this this crazy UFO stuff, and then they're shocked, like get away,
I don't want to ever talk to you again, you know. And
I don't know. It's like when I met you and it was like a
sign for me that you were into conspiracies because that told me, Okay,
he thinks alternatively, he doesn't. He doesn't just accept what is presented to
him on a day to day basis. And I just will never forget.
Like when I told you about this stuff and seeing your face, it's burned
into my mind. Your eyes were wide, like like I can't describe it.
I could tell right then in there that you you you knew that it
was real. And I feel like it's crazy when you zoom out and think
about it. But our friendship progressed very quickly because we obviously it was meant
to be, you know, for us to all do this together. But
like, how how how often do you get a job or you're in sales
and it's like basically a joke and seven hours. I mean it was a
hard job, but like, don't get me wrong, you know this,
Like the sales part was hard, yeah, but you you know, it
was like ten hour shifts something like that, with you know, an hour
lunch break. Right, it's when you're working, you're working, yeah,
and when you're not, you're not. But that was like maybe two three
hours a day of talking to customers. The rest of the time is sitting
or it's very similar to restaurant too, exactly like when you're on, you're
on. So we had we worked together for fourteen months and it was day
in and day out. We were literally just hanging out, watching videos,
walking or doing whatever we wanted, hanging outside out the back, just talking.
And it like it progressed very quick. I got a funny story about
work. We'll go back to work, said Nick, You'll love this.
So I all like the whole time I worked there, I always had a
skateboard in my car. Yeah, always, and when it would get so
slow, I would like ride my skateboard. I've ridden my skateboard through the
store. I'm not going to go into another story about it, but we
had a delivery truck dropping off and this is like a huge box truck and
I know, like all the guys, right, all the guys from the
warehouse that came to bring some inventory. Then they needed to bring a piece
of furniture to the front of the store. So it was easier for them
to drive the truck around the store than it was to haul this heavy piece
of furniture to the front of the store from the back. So like we're
gonna pull around, I'm like cool, grab my skateboard, grab onto the
back of the truck, and I rode my skateboard holding onto the truck all
the way around this shopping center up to the front. I'm like, oh
whatever, just having fun. Well, there was a grocery store next door,
and the whoever the manager of the grocery store was, saw that yes,
yes, And the manager of the grocery store called the furniture store and
said, hey, you got some kid riding his skateboard on the back of
your delivery truck out here. That's the most remember Alex thing I've ever heard
in my entire life. He started working there at like seventeen two, yeah,
damn, and until last year basically until I was yeah, twenty three
or four. Yeah. So I got inside and Danett answered the phone and
she goes, were you riding your skateboard? And I was like, nah,
He's like, well, the manager just called from this grocery store and
said you were. Like no, I said, somebody was, but like
they all knew it with me, you know, so she never told on
me. Man. We had some horror stories from that job. I don't
know, There's there's some stories that like just just the amount of fun we
had and like just the goofing and I don't know, you know, from
what I was saying earlier, I just wanted to say, like, it's
very we're very blessed that we had that environment to where basically eight hours a
day we were hanging out as friends and then oh, Alex, I got
a customer, I gotta go work for twenty minutes, you know what I
mean, Like it was insane. Well, don't act like I never did
anything either, No, you did. You were in the back room in
the office, and when my customers left, I was zip right to the
office. It was an automatopia. It was an action noise, I'm zipping
away, dude. I was right back there to his office, and I
would be sitting in his office and We're just hanging out for hours. And
it was crazy. But like I'm thankful for that because our friendship progressed very
very quickly, and I feel like it was meant to be. I feel
like, you know, just the same with you, Like we were all
brought together through various crazy encounters that you know, if if one other thing
happened, we could have never met, you know what I mean. And
like you, you you um, you took to the information very well,
and like I feel like that was another reason our friendship progressed so quickly,
because I didn't let anybody else there on the secret until after I quit,
and didn't I didn't talk about it with anyone as far as I knew.
I was just your typical furniture salesman and me and Alex will be sneaking off
having these like deep chats. Yeah, all day. Yep, I have
a I have a quick question for Alex uh so was that Well, First
of all, I feel like we kind of glazed over the fact that you
were low key his boss. He wasn't my boss, but he was in
a position above me to to dish out tasks and things like that. Like,
yeah, I wasn't. Ryan was not directly reporting to me, but
the person that Ryan reported to was on the same level as me, right,
like different different apartment, but he was in a position to where,
like you know what he he had If I asked Ryan to do something,
he would probably do it with like in that time he would And I didn't
complain about stuff. I don't think I ever asked you to do anything.
No, I was. I was a really earnest worker. I mean,
come on, man, in my time there, I sold the most temper
pedigs in my time there. People passed me later, but like, I'm
a hard worker, and like, if it's something that I see opportunity in,
I go out of overtime. I started to kind of realize, like,
Okay, I don't need to be sitting around doing trainings on my iPad
all the time, and they're not customers. Here. But yeah, very
seriously. My question for you, Alex was was that the was Ryan the
first person that you spoke to that was an experiencer to the caliber. Yes.
My one of my good friends, shout out Dylan. Him and his
father had a sighting when they were out hunting and he was very young.
Why he just told me it was like a campfire story and we never really
talked about it. Same orb orange like low above the tree line in wooded
North Carolina. WHOA, that's crazy, man. I think that's a lot
more common than people realize. You know, the day after the documentary aired
in two thousand and eight, I've told a story a dozen times on the
podcast, but just you know, for sacred conversation, I'm talking two thousand
and eight. The next day, I go to class and my art teacher
holds me after class and she's like, can you stay behind just a minute.
All the kids leave, it's just me and her in the room,
and she pulls out a newspaper clipping. It was like an article she found
on the Fabelle Observer dot com and printed it out like it wasn't the newspaper,
it was an online news clipping and it was of the documentary airing,
and she showed me this and she goes, this is your dad, right,
And I was like yeah, and she goes, I watched this,
And I just think it was so brave of y'all to come forward and tell
this story. And I believe you. And many many years ago, when
I was a little girl, I was with my aunt and we saw something
it was like what you described, and we never talked about it again.
In North Carolina, you know, I think it's very common. Yeah,
and people just don't talk about it. Damn. So follow up question,
Alex, when so you had the conversation with Ryan. You guys had I
mean a bunch of conversations, a bunch of them. Yeah, yeah,
and you said that like at first you were like, you know, I
don't. I don't really know, but I'm trying to piece it together.
Do you remember the moment when it like clicked for you, like, oh,
I think this is real. It was shortly after it was just me
with my guard up, being that conspiracy guy I'm like, and knowing him
for a couple of weeks, it's like, yeah, like I'm not dismissing
what he's saying. It's just like I'm not all in yet. I was.
I was the same way. Yeah, and then I think it was
I think you started showing me pictures like when I came to your house,
and it was like seeing the picture and then sitting with you and listening to
the way that you talk. I mean, it's it is that it's really
for me, the passion and conviction that you speak with that really there's no
doubt in my mind you and your father. But like you know, I
met you before I met him. Right, Well, that's what else I
wanted to talk about. Oh, what meeting data for the first Yeah,
well follow up question for you, Nick? Oh yeah, are you having
fun? I am having a blast. Actually, yeah, this is cool.
This Yeah, this is really weird. Like I didn't think it would
feel that weird, but it's pretty awk. It does feel I mean,
I'm happy, but yeah, I love my job. This feels weird,
Like I just enjoy pretending that I'm you for me, it's the power and
the responsibility. Yeah, we know, like you guys have a hard job
though sometimes Yeah, I mean, yet, I'm not excited to edit this
because I don't like listen. I don't want need to edit it. No,
no, I mean, like unless you I'm just kidding, unless I
say some shit. No, No, I mean like I have to edit
it, like it has to go out. You know, I don't want
to listen to myself talk now, you're gravy baby. I'm hoping my friends
that don't really talk to me about the podcast listen to this. But they
will. We'll force them too. Yeah, I'll strap into a chair and
on or something. Oh, I would love to hear about when you first
met Chris. It was so let me cut in real quickly. So I
worked with him for fourteen months. So I started there August of twenty eighteen.
I know that it was the week of my birthday. And I left
in um October of twenty nineteen. Remember it was the day after I proposed
to my wife. Remember it was the day after I deposed. That's that's
crazy. No, I don't remember. And um in this because I got
offered another gig that was offering a lot more money. And I was like,
I remember, I remember, because you got you got like headhunted.
You had a client come in work with you buying furniture and offered you a
job pretty much yeah, like spot. I was like it took me weeks.
Happy for you, but I was really bummed that that that whole thing
was coming to an end. Yeah, for sure, but I mean our
friendship never it never obviously windled. I mean, obviously we're here, dude.
The next year we started the podcast. It was it was it was,
you know, we started the podcast or we started planning the podcast in
twenty twenty. I left the company at the end of twenty nineteen. The
day after I proposed, I had already been being scouted by this other guy
in a different industry for two weeks. I was considering it. I proposed
my wife and I was like, let's go major life change, let's plunge.
And I was very you know, up front with Alex about it.
We stayed friends the whole time. Obviously we're still here. But anyway,
so my point is, um, I was going somewhere with that. We
meeting your dad the timing. Yeah, So shortly after I left the company,
um, and we we progressed our friendship outside of work, but like
hanging out, you know. And I was like, you know what,
let's let's let's take a trip to Fayetteville. I want you to meet dad,
and I think, you know, it'll be really cool and maybe we'll
have some sightings real quick. This was after how long of knowing each other?
Oh, this was a year or so? This was after you left
left? Okay, gotcha? Yes? And um it was like we'd only
known each other about two years at this point. And I don't think you
had a signing that night. I didn't, but when you left, we
had signings. No, there's something else. Okay, you'll remember. I'll
start telling the stories. So you're like, hey, man, I'm going
up for the night or the day, like you were just going for the
day. Do you want to go with me? I was like, hell
yeah, so get in the car. I remember driving up there, you
were telling me all about these stories. You were telling me the story was
did we ride together? Huh? Okay, I'm thinking it was a difference.
It was me and Jenny and you took me up there and you were
telling me the story about the people who came to the house with the material
and put the material in your down to him and You're like you're gassing me
up the whole way. I'm so stoked. I'm like, we're gonna see
some warbs, Like finally, gonna like I was all in my head about
it, and I was all in my head about we're gonna see something,
and then it was in the back of my head. Am I worthy?
Like? Is it like the same thing I struggle with as a kid?
Right? Is it like, um, everyone around you seeing it? Am
I worthy to see it? If if we don't see it? Is it
me? That's what was going on my head, right, And so we
get we got there and then somebody else shows up. Vincent. Yeah,
so Vincent and Eileen. I met both of them an earlier episode. Yeah,
I love Vincent. Yeah, Vincent reminds me of my dad and my
mom's father. My grandfather makes into one person, and he really dogged on
me in our episode. So I have I have a very uh in my
head. I have a very good relationship with Vincent. I don't know.
He's a great guy. He's a wonderful guy. Um. So I met
them on the same day and I kind of soft pitched to your family and
to Vincent the podcast that night. I was telling him, I was like,
the way Ryan talks, like he we need to have a like he
needs to have a podcast, like blah blah blah. The first thing Vincent
said to me, he shook my hand, he said, um, are
you human? I remember that. That messed with me until Ryan's wedding.
Oh my god. Yeah, that's a whole other story. Anyway, we
didn't see anything. Your dad never got up and was like, they're here.
We didn't go out there and see anything. I was. I mean,
I went out there and spent time looking in the sky. Never saw
anything. I'm like, damn, you know, I guess they don't like
me or whatever. And uh, We're riding home and we're we're like in
Wilmington, and the whole time we were talking about music. Am I starting
to ring any bells here? Because I'm gonna need your help in the story,
okay, And I mean I remember the day. I don't remember every
little thing that was said. And stop me if this is like if I
shouldn't be talking about this, But you were talking to me about the messages
in the music and the songs that your dad was instructed to listen to to
get the message. Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't include any of that in
the book. Actually, So I'm still cool to keep I'm gonna need your
with the first two songs because oh I remember, dude, this, this
blew your mind. This was better than seeing anything. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, this always rocked your world. All right, we're in the car,
but we have to take a break from this story to provide more backstory.
So me and my because I had moved out, me and my dad's
relationship started really improving. Hoping to have my bed always does. And you
move out, man, Now your parents are like, we're best friends.
And we were listening to Neil Young one night in the car and my dad
dropped a bomb on me. Man, and he's like it so I can't
listen to the song because it makes me cry. But we're listening to this
song and I won't say it because I'll say it. And when I finished
the next story, and he's like, when I die, I want you
to play this song at my funeral. I'm like, fuck, Like,
how are you going to drop that on me right now? So I'm like,
oh, man, you just ruined this whole song for me. Um.
So he tells me this is months prior to being in the car with
Ryan. He tells me this song. I'm like, okay, okay,
So fast forward months now we're back in the car. Ryan's talking to me
about the magic or the message and the music from your dad. What were
the first two songs? It was led Zeppelin song, it was after the
gold Rush? Oh, you ruined the story. You said, what were
the first two songs? Oh? No, after the gold Rush? Was
the third song? No? I don't think so. So you told me
the first two songs and that it was the Battle for Evermore by led Zeppelin
and after the gold Rush Neil Young. Okay, well then then I'm mixing
up the story. But you told me one of the songs, and you
were about to tell me the second song and I and I interrupted you and
said, you know what song I really like man is after the gold Rush?
And you were like that was the song. I was going to say,
yeah, yeah, huge synchronicity on that song because I told you what
my dad had told me before you told or third song was. And you
know, for people out there like you have to understand, we're how many
episodes in? Now? What is this? Almost ninety four episodes in and
I still have not been able to unpack everything. Yeah, I mean it's
it's sixteen years worth of experiences and conversations and data and investigations. You know,
it would it would take it would take like a week long retreat just
talking all day at somebody to get all this information out. So we're hanging
out years and I'm like, oh, bro, I forgot to tell you
about this. You know, my dad had an experience in twenty seventeen with
blah blah blah blah blah, and and it comes. As time goes on,
we talk about more things. There's levels to this and for those who
are not at all familiar with what we're talking about, around twenty fifteen,
my dad, or actually a little sooner, Yeah, I was in high
school. He started getting these these downloads from music. He started obsessively listening
to certain led Zeppelin songs and some other things like After the Gold Rush by
Neil Young. There's a Van Halen song called Love Walks In. And there
were these different songs that he was getting this strong download from the phenomenon that
there was a very sincere message in them, like like a spiritual message.
I mean, love walks In by Van Halen it says something You pull up
the lyrics if you want, but it says something like an alien love walks
in. It's like a it's like a Shining Lady Hotel California. There's there's
some sort of Lady message in that pull up after the gold Rush lyrics after
the gold Rush is crazy. It talks about silver saucers taking the chosen people
to the sun. Yeah. Anyway, So so Dad starts talking about this
to a guy by the name of Grant Cameron, who was at the time
he was a prolific uh UFO researcher, you know, like he had even
won an award in two thousand follow on Twitter. Yeah, I mean he
he researches a lot of stuff. I'm saying that for the audience sake,
But um, he came to our property and started having these conversations with Dad
about the phenomenon putting messages through music and through artists and musicians. He went
and started obsessively researching that, listening to interviews of rock stars, pop stars
and hearing them talk about having UFO sightings and and putting that in their music
and all this and that. He wrote a whole book on it. He
wrote a whole book inspired by the concept of my dad getting downloads from the
phenomenon through music. I can't remember the name of the book, but he
even credits my dad as being the catalyst for him. You know, wanted
to research this and that's what we were talking about and I was bringing into
Alex And it's just so crazy because After the Gold Rush is one of those
songs. I got the lyrics. If you want to hear a little bit
of it. Sure, I was gonna say we should probably, you know,
we've I think we've talked about this song before, but the lyrics are
shocking. So let me let me just breeze through a couple of lines.
The first line is, well, I dreamed I saw the knights in armor
coming saying something about a queen that's already like the lady. And literally,
yeah, there were peasants singing and drummer's drumming and the archer split the tree.
What does that sound like? That's pretty wild. There was a fanfare
blow into the Sun that was floating on the breeze, look at Mother Nature
on the run in the nineteen seventies. And then later in the song there's
a line that says this is so wild. There's a line that says,
well, I dreamed I saw the silver spaceships lying in the yellow haze of
the sun. There were children crying and colors flying all around the chosen ones,
Like, what is this song even about? I've got goosebops, I'm
about crying. Yeah, dude, it says flying Mother Nature's silver seed to
a new home in the sun. Like, now we're going to talk about
something deep that I've never said on the podcast before. Okay, and it's
also not in the book. But yeah, on my episode two, yeah
yeah, well yeah, I mean you you sparked the conversation this, you
know, this is how it. It's all buried down in there. You
know, I might fuck around and get a permanent seat right here. Yeah
no, never, yeah seat. But um so, one of the phenomenon
when they took my dad in oh seven and then you know, the time
he met the lady, they showed him lots of things, some things that
he has, you know, because I mean naturally, I'm a son.
I lived with the guy for twenty three years, you know, going through
college and then figuring out what to do after that and then going out on
my own. We had a lot of conversations about this. I'm a curious
dude. I mean I ask a lot of questions. I'm trying to figure
this stuff. I was like you as a kid, like it keep me
up at night, wanting to know everything there is to know about the universe
and why we're here. And I asked my dad thousands of questions and probed
him and wanted to know everything that happened, and nobody else was really doing
that. And so he pretty much told me everything. And there's a lot
of stuff that he never wants to talk about publicly because he doesn't like to
spread doom and gloom. He doesn't want people to hear the bad parts of
things because it's like, why worry about it? It's good, you know.
Like for example, the being showed him like cataclysmic destruction that could happen
if we don't if the message doesn't spread, if we don't find love,
if we don't find light. But they've told him this is not going to
happen because it was written. This is a being's words, they said,
it was written. It was prophesied that the light would win. It's already
happened. It's already going to win, that we're going to reach the New
Age. It's just a matter of time. God's timing, you know.
Don't even talk about the negative stuff publicly. He doesn't anyway. One of
the things that they showed dead is that there is a portal in the Sun.
The Sun is a portal, and it's where the beings come from.
They come and go from there. It's like their home. Dude. That's
so weird because I was seeing this thing on Twitter the other day that was
comparing satellite images of the Sun to other stars and how they're very different.
I you know, I don't want to be too heavy conspiratorial, but like
all the sal Alex's episodes, but dude, like just I just want people
to consider this. All of the satellite images that were seeing of the celestial
cosmos at large are from NASA. That's all I'm gonna say. And I
think there's something else going on, you know, as opposed to what they
want us to believe or just balls of hot gas. All I'm gonna say.
People can believe what they want. I'm still on the fence about space.
I'm not I believe in space. I'm just saying, dude, I'm
speaking for myself. It's not it's not a ball of gas. It's something
so much more intelligent. I mean, think about it. It's as above
so below, like if we on this tiny, little silly microcosm of fleshy,
disgusting carbon matter that you know, I know, you're pretty cute.
Well I try, I try. But I'm saying, like, if,
if, if there's if there's inherent meaning and value into the life down here
in the material plane, there has to be something so much more amazing and
significant when you look at the cosmos and see these celestial, shining bodies of
light that are giving us life in the physical universe. You know what I
mean, The Sun has to be more in a ball of gas. So
that's all I'm saying. Yeah, And I've been really I've been really thinking
about the fact the sheer probability of being given life. I mean, you
you have a better chance of winning the lottery twice in this lifetime than you
do of being born. It's it's one in trilliant. It is trilliant.
Yeah. Neil de grass Tyson had a video where he was talking about that,
like, Yeah, the number of people that are born versus the number
of people that could have possibly been born is it is miraculous. Every single
person is a mile a miracle. I'm a mathematical true. It's like it's
I don't want to quote wrong numbers here, but actually it was funny.
As my first semester of college, I was a biology major and I got
like ss across the board. But I loved the material, I love the
information. I just wasn't a good I wasn't a good like standardized test taking
student, you know what I mean, and all the homework and I got
lost. I was I just wasn't a good student. I was a good
studio when I was interested. But point being, that was one of the
things I learned in biology that stuck out to me. It's a it is
a one winning being born is winning the genetic lottery. Yes, it is
a one in multiple I don't remember if it was two hundred trillion orf it
was two trillion or twenty trillion. It was some huge trillion number of you
being born exactly the way that you are. Yes, all of these insane
factors. It's a miracle, a blessing. I found the figure. What
is it. It's actually um one in four hundred trillion. There you go,
that's the sane. It's insane. Yeah, it's way more than winning
the lottery twice. And it's like instead of getting wrapped up in the numbers,
like get wrapped up in the fact that that you're a miracle. Yeah,
and that you were just by being here, just by showing up.
Are are so blessed? There's value, yes, and being And it's not
a mistake. And it's not a chance. You know, it didn't just
happen. It's not a coincidence. Yeah, And you can't tell me that
whatever happens after this is nothing not as equally as as exciting or a blessing
or or you know what I mean. Like that's just the kind of things
that I have to think about to keep me from collapsing into total fear and
chaos, like a like a star going into supernova. Don't you start talking
about stars man and space man? Yeah, the thing with space, you
know, is really wild because there's all these thoughts like is space even like
a real thing? Is it some kind of weird ocean? Like there's all
kinds of weird theories about space and stuff. But think about this, like,
you know, think about dark matter. Dark matter is something that we
know almost nothing about, which they postulate is literally like ninety five percent of
the observable or you know, universe exactly the majority of everything. Right,
So even when you say things like I don't you know, I I don't
believe space is just like a big ball of gas, it's like it could
sun right right, yeah, the sun. It's like, well it could
it could be both right, right, it could be a big ball of
gas. But in the physical observation exactly. But because of how much we
don't know, there's just so many layers of other things, it could also
be right, space is like an onion, all right, Well, well,
just like the human body and the soul. Yeah, but and like
that that was my point, not not that space isn't real or whatever.
It's as above so below. It's that there has to be a spiritual side
to things, just like the human microcosm and the fact that we all have
a soul simultaneously. And like there's even I think it was NBC News or
something a few years ago put out an article online and it was like our
stars conscious, and astrophysicists, quantum physicists, whatever. The cutting edge you
know, science is at the moment where there's sudding stars and things like that.
They're honestly postulating, like our celestial bodies and planetary bodies at some level
conscious. Yes, spoiler alert, yes, I mean that's that's what the
lady told my dad. That the Earth is a living being and it has
it has a vibration that is linked to the soul of all living humans,
and it is encoded to protect itself. And that's where these throughout the eons,
that's where these cataclysms occur because humanity at all these different times and these
cycles in the ancient past were so negative and so far removed from God that
it was harming the resonant vibration of the Earth. You know, you know,
I have these earthquakes or ice ages or whatever the earth is next cycle.
I can't take this pain anymore. And that's what the ladies show my
dad was that that's why we have to return to God. We have to
return to love. We have to return to light so that we can live
in harmony with the earth and not be shaken off, if you can my
drift. He doesn't like to talk about that. I found a few cool
little tidbits about the stars being conscious thing, So we know that all molecules
to a certain extent are conscious, and stars do in fact cool enough to
contain stable molecules, therefore they are conscious. And then also I found something
that said that stars stable dis equilibrio, catalytic metabolisms, periodic physiological cycles,
and homeostatic feedback controls qualify stars as living organisms. So even by our own
scientific standards, they are in fact living organisms and they are conscious. Wow.
Yeah, I got lost a battle there, but I'm really glad that
that was the outcome. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. There's just a
bunch of big science words basically to say, yes, they are in fact
conscious. Yeah. I think through this, I personally have come to accept
that as a complete truth, that all celestial bodies are, you know,
in fact alive basically because everything has consciousness, so they have to be a
lot take that consciousness has to be applied to the astrology. That's that's why
I believe in astrology in the first place. Like, these are these,
these are these are in in some macrocosmic grand galactic scale. These are living
beings out in the cosmos. They're not just balls of gas, you know
what I mean. And it's like we're taught yeah, they're energies, and
like that's why I believe in astrology in the first place. When this when
when the soul is brought into this world, every every you know, living
human soul or whatever. When it's when it's brought into this world and all
of these celestial energies are in these specific places, it has a like a
cosmic archetypal, you know, imprint on the soul. Astrology has to be
real to believe, otherwise is closing your eyes to the bigger picture. I'm
not saying you gotta believe in like the classic horoscopes and all that, but
there's something to it. Yeah, that's That's the other thing about astrology is
a lot of people just look at like the daily horoscopes and they're in the
newspaper. Yeah, like that's that's bs. Leo's gonna have a bad day
today. Well I checked ours yesterday, Nick and we were co star said
we were very compatible yesterday. Well, we remember what Vincent said about our
past lives, my friends, You and I were compatible. All right,
let me just say that we are. We are certainly compatible. Yeah,
I'm gonna say this right here before the episode even ends, because every time
it's over, we always talk about this, but I'm gonna say it right
now. Hot, this is a banging episode. Dude, thank you.
Yeah, I really enjoying, well enjoying. We knew it was gonna be
hot. Yeah, well we knew you were gonna be hot. We knew
you were gonna have dude, our viewers are gonna sky all the ladies.
You know. Our demographic I think is like mostly male. It's about to
change, brother, that's about to change a big time. Yo. To
leap back a quick second on the back to the astrology stuff, and like
I'll let you leap back. Oh, thank you, thank you, Alex.
Even though you're in that seat, you're still in complete control. Yeah,
I'm noticing, Like it's it's not about the job. It's you know,
it's the people doing the job. Yeah exactly, But about like celestial
bodies being conscious but also like giving off vibrations and frequencies and energy. You
know, that's a hermetic principle. Everything is vibration and frequency and scientific absolutely,
that is science. That's science. Fact. Yeah. I think it's
called the Brownian movement something. It's a real law. It's a scientific law
accepted. Yeah that that I mean that alone. You know, so imagine,
you know, you don't have to imagine because it's true, but we
are vibrational and frequency emitting beings. We are affected by frequencies. This is
all science. NASA told us that at my house. Really, yes,
that the that the bones of the human skeleton are actually receiving regular frequency signals
from somewhere out there in the cosmos. Yes, well, the human skeleton
and the hair are an antenna to some sort of signal coming from out there
in the cosmos. Yeah, And it's it's only plausible that those completely unfathomably
huge celestial bodies are putting out extremely strong, potent vibrations and frequencies and they
probably go really freaking far because of how big they are. I mean,
we can see their light with our eyes from billions of light years away.
I mean, and they're all walked within an astronomical, astrological whatever you want
to call into a cycle by you know, gravity, They're all tethered to
one another. So how could it be that we on a planet that is
tethered with all these other planets? How are we unaffected by those other planets?
Right? You know what I just thought about when you were saying that.
Now, look, I don't endorse freemasonry, but as we you know,
Bledso, said Sowers. I've been saying that lately. Let's set it
in a live chat the other night, Bledso said Sowers. Or always understand
that when we extrapolate all of this data from these secret societies and mystery schools,
that they're all hinting at something very similar. So just because you know,
I'm not saying go be a Mason, doesn't mean that they're not,
you know, hiding certain little nuggets of wisdom in their teachings. And they
have a very common popular phrase, out of chaos order, Right, what's
the American motto e pluribus unum out of many one. We know Freemasons and
Rosicrucians and Deists and some Christians too started the country. We know that.
Okay. So there's a lot of Masonic symbolism in the American seal, the
dollar bill, all this stuff. Though the Washington you see is based on
a bunch of like Greek and Masonic architecture. It's a fact, okay.
What is out of chaos or what is out of chaos order? Mean,
there is a cosmic duality, There is a feminine and a masculine constant.
Or you could think of the dark and the light or the chaos in the
order rotating or you know the araborus, the serpent eating his tail for eternity.
There is this inherent watery abyssal chaos to space, which is symbolized as
like Noon, the Egyptian deity of the watery abyss of chaos of space.
And then there's the order of the celestial bodies. It's like, it's crazy
when you think about it, what you just said. There's this extreme precise,
calculated order in the cosmos and how it functions, you know, and
it's like, that's what you see when you zoom all the way out and
all the way in on the macrocosmic and the microscopic or microcosmic scale. Is
like this intelligent consciousness perceiving order at all levels of the known universe. That's
God the mind, you know what I mean. Everywhere you look there's order.
The law of large numbers. It's a real mathematical function where if you
look at any data set, it could be anything. It could be how
many red cars in a city, or how many people burp after they have
a soda, any stupid data set. You know what I mean. If
you zoom out and look at the data at a high enough level, there
is always a repeating pattern at every level of the observable universe. Out of
chaos comes order. Yeah, this is a very deep hermetic, you know,
spiritual principle. Been getting really into the numbers lately. Yeah, yeah,
like rology, and I had to process what you're saying for a second.
I still think about the order thing. But so so I think that,
like the astrology is what kind of governs your spiritual body expression or yeah,
like personnel. Yeah exactly. And I think that archetype, this physical
world that we live in that you could call matrix, operates purely on numbers,
and so how you move about in this physical world it comes out in
your numerology, and how you kind of are spiritually comes out in your astrology.
So yeah, I vibe with that. Yeah, that's kind of what
I've been thinking about a lot. I'm not super into the numerology. I'm
getting there when we when I get there, we'll have another You're being very
humble about that. You've told me some pretty mind blowing things about new I
know. I just like, yeah, I'm like, I'm at a very
surface level at the learning phase. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
So like Nick is an eight life path? Yeah, what does that mean
for me? So money basically eight. I saw something about power with eights,
so money and power essentially. Um, well I'm waiting for it,
well having it, not having it, and it's like and it's you'll experience
both. Um, I've written it down somewhere. And then you're a three.
I'm a one life path. Oh you're a one? What are you?
No, I'm a nine, So you're a one. And then you're
a partial seven, so meaning you're on the seventh day, so seven what
what? What day are you before we move? One? Fifteen six?
So you're eight and a six. Six is home and family. So my
dad is a six life path. Yeah, home and family. Olivia is
a six, a true six six day six life path. Whoa yeah.
And then I think Jenny is a true seven. I think so she's born
on the sixteenth, which is one sixteenth, so you both are sevens and
seven is genius by the way, But you're one. One is masculine aggressiveness.
Power. One. From what I understand, it's like the Magician the
manifesto. The leader was the one. It's the leader of the beginning.
But one is masculine, two is feminine, and three is the child.
I had told you that that's the law of the triangle. That's yeah,
yeah, that's true. Yeah, it transcends multiple planes. And I was
reading like Rosicrucian manuals. It goes all in. It's it's literally called the
law of the triangle. And they draw these very strange but very fascinating mind
blowing and the initial existence of the material universe was the point. It was
one. It was the original expression of consciousness. And then it makes a
line, it splits into duality, and there are two points, the opposite
opposing forces, male and female. And then those two forces when they combine,
they make another force, which is that creation is the child. It's
the secret of the trinity. You know, we are the creation of the
divine, you know what I mean. The law of the triangle is what
that's called. Yeah. So nine is adaptation and completion. Nine completes the
cycle. There's a lot of misconceptions about nine, is what I'm finding out,
and I'm finding it hard to find real information on nines. I paid
for a reading, I didn't bring it with me. Mine is the mirror
from what I heard, because maybe I'm confusing that maybe I'm so I'll run
through them real quick. So there's it's one through nine, So you're all
of the numbers in your birthday added together, and then those are added together
until you come out with one. It's Pythagorean numerology, right, So it's
one through nine, and then you have eleven, twenty two, and thirty
three master numbers. Yes, so one masculine, aggressive, the beginning leader,
that kind of thing. Two is compromising, feminine. And that's all
I have written down for two. I don't really know any twos I think,
but three communication. Four is law and order and hard work. What
I what I like about four is you can really apply it to your life.
Never break the law on a four day. There's going to be more
police, more law and order out on the four days, you know.
And if you think about you know, we understand that symbolism are the archetypal
expressions of consciousness. Right. We used to talk about this a lot earlier
in the show, and I want to do an episode on it soon.
Four is the symbolism for like the structure of the material universe, you have
the divine, the original, the duality, the expression of you know,
binary sorts of cosmic existence, masculine and feminine forces. Then you have the
third the creation of that. But then what happens when you add another point?
It creates a square. You have a structure. You know, most
things sit on a table, it's a sturdy, solid foundation. Houses are
built in boxes. You have all that Saturn cube symbolism. Oh, we're
trapped in Saturn's cube. We're in the matrix. The physical material reality is
represented by that square. If you look at the real Philosopher's stone symbol,
not like our rendition of it on the blitz of sets of symbology, but
the real one. It's the triangle, the circle, and then it's squared.
It's showing all this consciousness is encased in materiality. The law in the
order. Yeah, the structure yep. So six Home and family, seven
genius. We talked about these eight money what I have. I'll be quick
about this, but um, Beijing Olympics two thousand and eight, two thousand
and eight. Do you know what day they opened? They did the opening
ceremony August eighth, twenty eight, eight eight twenty eight, essentially a day
after my birthday. That's a lions Gate Portal eight eight, two thousand and
eight, and after they did that, they have become one of the world
powers monetarily. Wow, their GDP, I think increased a lot. They're
they're like their wealth as a country increased by by a lot. I don't
know the exact figures, so I'm not going to speak but money I have.
I have a personal story about money. I went shopping for a large
item, like a large dollar value item, and I'll keep it brief,
and I realized on the way of the story that it was an eight day
So we did. We picked out exactly what we wanted, I mean,
big ticket item. I get to the checkout and I'm reviewing my receipt with
the salesperson. I'm like, what is this and she's like, well,
actually, what happened was we put that item on the floor and we mistagged
it and we tagged it for the price that we bought it for. Oh
my god. So essentially I got I saved a lot, I got fifty
percent off essentially this item. I saved so much money on accident, and
I went shopping on an eight day, So keep that in mind. Right
nine's adaptation completion talked about that and then we get into the master numbers.
Eleven the master communicator and charisma. You look at a lot of these Internet
celebrities, a lot of these people. I'm pretty sure Joe Rogan is eleven
life path or he was born on the eleventh, but a lot of these
people who get into the communication side of things. And then twenty two is
the master builder. Don't know a lot about twenty two, but I decided
to get married on the twenty two days, so hey, we find out
about that's awesome. And thirty three is like the master influencer, the master,
the teacher, the teacher sage or that's why, you know, for
those who understand the symbolism behind like Jesus dying at thirty three, that's that's
that number was put like that for a reason. He was the master or
the teacher. So and remember we did a Buddhism episode there's um what was
it, thirty two Jewels in Heaven from a Buddhist perspective or something like thirty
three, thirty three vertebrae on the spine and thirty three levels of um.
We did a whole episode of think thirty three degrees at Freemasonry. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, cool. So that's like a taste of it. Maybe
we'll get into it a little deeper. But Nick, you got a hard
question for me. Um, yes I do. Um why Catholicism You'll have
to ask my mom? All right, No, Actually, the real reason
is, uh, I'm twenty five percent Italian. My grandfather was born in
Italy and the very middle name is Campana. Yeah, that's my mom's maiden
name. I don't get that. All right, Well, let's go alright
real because I know we're right, but um, synchronicities in my life.
My mom's maiden name is Campana. That's now my middle name. But my
dad's mother's name was Anne camp Wow. That's like, yes, bro,
that's that's insane, the craziest psycho. Yeah, that's that's the craziest,
the crazier than that. I don't know if you guys know the story,
you might, but um, so it was nineteen ninety eight. My mom
is pregnant with me and my cousin, my cousin Justin, shout out,
Justin, shout out Justin. Brother. Um, I was supposed to be
born in October and my cousin Justin goes to my dad and it's like,
wouldn't it be so cool if Alex was born on my birthday? Bro?
Nick, you realize where I'm going with that reaction? Right? Where are
you going with it? Last night we had this sacked conversation with your dad.
Yeah that's crazy, and the same thing happened. Yeah. Yeah,
so he goes, wouldn't it be so cool if he was born on my
birthday? And my Dad's like, no, that would make that would make
him two months premature. What happened? He's two months premature? You weren't
two months premature on my cousin's birthday twenty years apart. August twenty eighth,
nineteen ninety eight. We gotta get your dad to briefly because I'll talk to
him about him. Yeah, yeah, to tell last night, Nick's dad
was, you know, because he's here in town. He was just telling
us, you you you know these people better than me, they're your relatives.
Well no, no, actually these were, um, this was like
my childhood best friend. Okay, this was yeah. They lived down the
street from us, and yeah, he was he was essentially saying, uh,
you know, they they were expecting twins, and he was like,
man, he saw a vision that they were gonna be twins, yes,
in advance exactly. Yeah, like a spiritual vision. He saw a vision
that they were going to have twins, which they had always wanted and never
you know, these were the last children they had, so they had two
other sons prior and they really just I don't know why, they just really
wanted twins. Um and yeah, he said, man, because my dad
and my brother they have the same birthday, which is a day before mine
too. Yeah, there's just so a lot of weird. That's my fiance
is it fiance? If fiance, it goes both ways, right yeah,
yeah, all right, yeah, that's Olivia's birthday. Yeah, so Olivia's
birthday's August six, Yeah, what mine is August seventh, And Nick's dad
and brother are also August six. And that's weird. We all have that
connection. That's extremely weird. Very I didn't know Olivia's birthday was August six.
Yeah. Well like in the past life we had a more physical connection.
Yeah, remember deeply connected connected my numbers now but anyway, yeah,
the jeans. So he was like, man, wouldn't it be so it
was the change and they are twins, yeah, yeah, he was.
He was like Scott, who was the father. He was like, man,
you know Robert, he got him and his son have the same birthday.
It's so cool. I would love if if you know, my boys
had my twins had the same birthday as me, and I believe. Yeah,
they were born like a couple of weeks prematurely and on his birthday.
I got one more story. That's weird about that. It was like four
pounds or something. But dude, that is I did not know that about
you, Alex. That's really miraculous. I mean, that's you asked why
he's so hot. Sorry to cut you off, man, but the cool
One of the coolest things about that job we were talking about earlier. I
was selling to this couple and it got to like, oh, what do
you do. She's like, oh, I just retired from the hospital.
I was in the the neoonatal unit. I was like, no way,
how like what hospital? She was like new him whatever. I was like,
how long did you work there? She was like, I started working
there in like the nineteen nineties. I'm like, there's a really good chance
that you helped save my life. Wow. She worked in that hospital,
in the unit I was in in nineteen ninety eight and then getting like and
I was like, thank you. You know what I mean, Like,
yeah, such such a wild experience. Okay, two quick birth stories.
This is pretty dark. The day I was Okay, the day I was
born in nineteen ninety three, Um, there was like a mass shooting at
Luigi's across town, the restaurant Luigi's. That was the day you were born.
Yeah, that's a notorious story. I know Whoa And it was all
on the TV while I was being born. Whoa anyway, So then the
other story you might not remember this. I think I was eighteen when Jonah
was born. Shout out Leah and Jonah. That sounds about right. Yeah,
those are my lovely niece and nephew. Uh. Leah watches like every
episode. She got like her friends into it. They're the best. I
love you Lee and Jonah. Shout out Leah's friends. They're just wonderful kids.
And I've known them since they were born. And you know, because
me and Nick been friends since we were eleven and twelve anyway, so i'd
know when when your sister was pregnant with Jonah, I had a very vivid
dream that it was going to be a boy. And in my and I
knew this because in my dream I was wearing I had this shirt that was
like I got it from Walmart. It was a long sleeve kind of like
you know, the waffle material. It was a long sleeve waffle material camo
pattern shirt. And in my dream, I was wearing this shirt and I
was holding the boy, and I remember your sister and everybody. Maybe your
mom wasn't on it too, but she was like, it's gonna be a
girl. I can feel it. It's my motherly intuition. It's gonna be
a girl. It's gonna be a girl. I want a girl. And
I told her. I was like, I had a dream it's gonna be
a boy. I think it's gonna be a boy. And move on.
We didn't really ever talk about it again. You know, it wasn't a
big deal. And sure enough it was a boy. And when I showed
up to their house the first time that I was there, when the baby
was there, I happened to be wearing the shirt from my dream. So
I was like, WHOA, this is weird. Remember that. And it
wasn't planned. I was just coming over to hang out. I mean,
we lived, you know a half a mile apart or whatever. So I
went over and I held him in the chair in my dream that I had
the cameo shirt on. It's so weird and profound. I don't know.
I think I've told you this before, but so it's kind of funny.
I was actually born after I was supposed to be born. I was baking
in the oven a little too long, and my mom, well, yeah,
well done. Yeah, And my mom was like so over it,
like she was so over it, and she was in a lot of pain,
and she was just ready to get me the fuck out. And she
prayed to God on like a Friday, I think it was a Friday or
Saturday. She prayed to God. She said, God, I need to
know when this baby is coming. I can't take much more of this.
And she said, instantaneously she heard a man's voice. Actually it may have
been a woman's voice, which is even more interesting. Say Wednesday, and
were four days later or whatever we're I don't know, Yeah, yep,
Wednesday, she heard it, clears, she heard it clear his day Wednesday,
boom. And I feel like so many expecting mothers have experiences. Oh
yeah, and if you think about it's a spiritual thing exactly and the spiritual
miracle. There's a soul like jest stating inside of you. Yes, you
know, like it's pretty crazy. Yeah, are one of our very bet
like mutual best friends for nine months? You have two souls pretty much?
Yeah, twice the power. But Nick and I have this very very good,
like close close mutual friend named Jacob. Shout out Jacob's Yeah, I
know, I know. I'm just saying for the audience sake, there's an
audience. Yeah, like you know, there's there's somebody out there listening.
But um, so he's he's our very good friend. And the three of
us just grew up together. They're and just like doing so much together.
And um anyway, Jacob was born nine pounds with a tooth. Tooth?
What it's It's real, It's possible. I know of a baby recently that
was born of the tooth. I can't remember who it is, but I
saw I saw the picture nine pounds of the tooth. That's legend. Shit.
Have you seen the picture of the baby that comes out with the birth
control in his hand? Oh? Yes, what do you know? Like
the Oh yeah, oh okay, oh yes, I was like, are
you like a pill. No, he came out like I got you,
I beat you. It's getting crazy now. Yeah. Well, that's what
I like to say, is like I came out on my terms. I'm
like, let's get this party started. You've always been in control, That's
what I'm saying. I came out to a freaking mass shooting. Man.
Well, you're doing great setting the tone. That's amazing. Well, and
then that leads itself to the whole conversation of like, um, all of
that, like anything that the mother's going through gets put into that soul.
That's yes. Yeah. So last thing I'll say about birth stories. Um
my brother Jeremy is like he's like six to three now, but he was
always tall. I mean even as a toddler, he was huge. He
was he was when he was like one or two years old. He was
nearly two feet long, like way bigger than he should have been for his
age. Tall. Yes, yes, okay, he's tall. Tall,
I mean long, same difference or stand him up. He's two feet tall
at like one but if you lay him down, he's long. Okay,
this time, I think most people out there can understand what I'm saying.
But anyways, he was so big in the womb. He broke my mother's
ribs. Oh my god. He was just always kicking his feet and hyper
even before he was born. You know what, my mom just told me.
My mom and dad are here. My mom just told me, like
an hour ago. She was like, you ruined me. You're her freaking
baby her, you're her prize. My mom almost taking cats for real.
Yeah, so I like to tell Nick that mom tried to kill me and
then he tried to kill mom. Everybody's cool, now, everybody's fine.
That's hilarious. Yeah, we gotta do this again. This is fun.
This is awesome fun. Maybe in another two years, really like another two
years. This was a really like awesome, yeah experience. I had a
great time. Thanks for having me killing me, dude, are you kidding
me? Yeah? You're always shout out Nick, Shout out Ian Dylan already
got one. Shout out dg. He's been waiting two years for this.
Yeah, I hope they shout out. Shout out all the teachers that taught
me everything I know. Yeah, shout out Graham. Shout out Graham.
What's up, Graham? What's up Graham? Is that Grandma? No,
that's grandma? My teacher. Oh hell yo, awesome, what do you
want to do? The hit hit the um the GB with the bgs.
Yeah, the Green Boys, we gotta hit him with the bye guys.
Let's do it. We call ourselves the Green Boys for those that don't know.
Yes, let's go. All right, we'll lead the way. Are
we going down? Her? Up? I mean it's your episode, all
right, three two one by Weird things happen in the backyard of what so
House? Yeah said, I got it's so weird coming closer to her like
spirraling on the inside of it. No one, Wow, come right,
shine, ain't heavy