1 00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:20,839 What is krak Alac and fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I am dam Fa Valley 2 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:26,559 coming at you with my certified fantabulous co host Grant Hughes. We are moving 3 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,480 into another NBA trade deadline primer from the Eastern Conference, getting through these final 4 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:35,960 ones here. Before we get started, please let me remind you to subscribe 5 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,240 to us wherever you consume us. 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And 22 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:38,640 last, but certainly not least, as I mentioned at the end of the 23 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:42,959 last podcast, we will be in the Bleacher Report app doing a live stream 24 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,680 on February seventh at two pm Eastern time to preview the NBA trade deadline, 25 00:01:48,799 --> 00:01:52,120 and then we'll be back in there on February ninth, the trade deadline day, 26 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:56,000 at five pm Eastern Time to do winners and Losers. I don't know 27 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,760 if we'll have the ability to promote it on Twitter or send you a link, 28 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,439 but download the br app, be on the lookout for it, come 29 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:04,840 support us that way, interact and engage. I'm assuming we'll be able to 30 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,479 interact with commenters there, but if not, just come watch, come listen. 31 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,080 It would meet a lot to us if you did that? Who that 32 00:02:12,159 --> 00:02:14,439 was long? That was a two minute amble for me, after saying I 33 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:16,719 wouldn't talk for minutes at a time. Grant the most important question though, 34 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:22,000 of the podcast, how the heck are you well? Dan? I've got 35 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,240 a little bit nervous, to be honest, because I knew we were going 36 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,840 to do that live stream or those live streams. But I don't know why 37 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,960 that makes me slightly nervous because it's like a condensed version of what we're doing 38 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,759 now, and it's not any different, but it is a little different. 39 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,120 We might have more than tens of watchers. I think it's well might you 40 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,919 might. Who knows, maybe we'll have fewer. Hard to say, I 41 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:46,800 have the Milwaukee Bucks coming up next and not a lot going on here because 42 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:52,840 the Bucks sort of need a closing wing and a guy that can play both 43 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,080 ends and doesn't have the one end or the other issues of Joe Ingles, 44 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,439 Wes Matthews, Grayson Allen. Pat Connaughton is probably the most complete guy at 45 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:06,000 that position, but he feels more like a six man or you know, 46 00:03:06,039 --> 00:03:08,800 he's not. He's not someone I think you want out there necessarily as your 47 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:14,159 fifth closer if you can help it. Obviously, none of this matters if 48 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:20,080 Chris Middleton is not healthy, so they're obviously buyers. I think probably the 49 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,000 most likely things that they can trade to try to fill this need are Grayson 50 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:29,360 Allen. I don't know what the market for Ingles or Jordan Nora would be, 51 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,680 but that you can, you know, throw those guys all together. 52 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,120 Get George Hill in there if you want to, and then you're you know, 53 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:40,919 you're kind of hoping that that stuff and some seconds and you're twenty nine 54 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:44,479 first, which I think is the only one they can trade. You can 55 00:03:44,479 --> 00:03:47,439 correct me if I'm wrong, No, you're correct, gets you gets you 56 00:03:47,479 --> 00:03:52,599 into like the crowder, Eric Gordon, you know, Malik, just pick 57 00:03:52,719 --> 00:03:55,360 pick your available wing, you know, and throw them in there. That's 58 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,919 like, it's fairly it's fairly uncomplicated for the Bucks. They need a particulars 59 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,599 and they have limited assets with that one first round or way out being the 60 00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:08,479 sweetener, and some mid price contracts to try to get it. So you 61 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:11,439 know, we'll talk about him and it's all the same names that have been 62 00:04:11,479 --> 00:04:15,919 in you know, the rumor mill forever. You know these I don't know 63 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,720 if distressed assets is the right word. But the Crowder is the Gordons, 64 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:23,920 those types of guys. Yeah, I mean the I don't know if you 65 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,920 saw the rumor of what they were going to get. I'm with you on 66 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:29,199 everything. You said what it was gonna take to get Jay Crowder, and 67 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,519 it was literally a trade that a redditor would cook up. We're giving up 68 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:38,800 all these spare parts and seconds to get a good player for your team. 69 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:41,839 You didn't give up anyone who was critical, and it actually worked, which 70 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:44,800 is why I probably have to tweak my trade idea that I have for it 71 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,000 was my favorite one, by the way that I came up with, and 72 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,399 people from the Bucks and the Jazz side, I think just shit all over 73 00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:54,319 it, and so I like readjusted to it because I thought it was fine. 74 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,240 But look, I think, what's gonna They're gonna end up with Jay 75 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,639 Crowder and like that's gonna be their trade deadline, and that's fine. I'm 76 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:03,279 still going be very concerned about the half court offense. When they're healthy with 77 00:05:03,319 --> 00:05:05,920 Middleton, Holiday and Jannie, it is probably not a big deal. So 78 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:11,639 if those guys are just going to be available in the playoffs, there's there's 79 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,759 no issue there, but it's just like kind of food for thought there, 80 00:05:14,759 --> 00:05:16,920 and Grayson Allen can be up and down too, and the fact that he 81 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,199 is kind of important to them, and it's just like, even by acquiring 82 00:05:20,199 --> 00:05:24,639 a Jay Crowder, have you solved the issue of well, that's our fifth 83 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:30,360 closing guy because Brook Lopez j honest, Jay Crowder, Drew Holiday and Chrisminlson 84 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,839 sounds really good in theory, but you could be hard up for shooting pretty 85 00:05:33,879 --> 00:05:39,680 quickly and a depending on what type of run Jay Crowder is on. And 86 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,800 I think you feel they feel a little like not bigness. I guess they 87 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,439 are big. It feel a little big and a little slow. And I 88 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,879 think you're probably gonna need then Middleton or Crowder to guard somebody that can really 89 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,160 score that's quicker than they are, because you're gonna use Holiday on whoever the 90 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:01,720 most dangerous opposing score is like sometimes up to like hour forward even But then 91 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:05,879 I don't know, it's Crowder's kind of a wild card because like everybody trots 92 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:09,800 out how like he's been on two finals teams back to back, different teams 93 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,759 and he's a playoff guy and he can make an open three and but I 94 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,560 just he's not really he's a combo forward and I think he's he skews a 95 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,480 little closer to the four. And like, if you're playing alongside Michael Bridge, 96 00:06:19,519 --> 00:06:24,720 is cool, that that works fine, But like I don't know that. 97 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:28,680 I do know that Middleton is not that level of defender like Bridges is, 98 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,439 and there's just gonna be someone that isn't that Crowder is going to be 99 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,879 a little bit, you know, hard pressed to kind of hang with, 100 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:40,120 especially if it's like a quick shifty trying to think who they would even face 101 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:44,480 potentially, Like I don't know, but yeah, that's the idea is like 102 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,680 there are question marks I think for me with him, even if I think 103 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,800 we probably agree he's on. Like you know, there's two or three guys 104 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,879 that the Bucks shit Targan and he's one of them. And look if you're 105 00:06:53,879 --> 00:06:59,439 gonna get him for what it was Jordan Wara and George Hill and out it 106 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:02,040 was such a and seconds and then there what was the other It wasn't Grayson 107 00:07:02,079 --> 00:07:05,319 Allen? Even what was the other salaries that were involved in that? I 108 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:11,759 can't remember. I mean your trade is oh Abaco was in there? So 109 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,399 like that, like was this was Wessey Matthews in there, like what the 110 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:20,040 heck here? So my trade idea for them is, I don't know how 111 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,439 to frame this because I think I need to give the adjusted one first based 112 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:27,879 off of like this was. I come with this trade idea before the Jay 113 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,519 Crowder rumor, so this was my trade idea. Milwaukee gets Malik Beasley, 114 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:34,519 Jay Crowder, a twenty twenty second round pick from Phoenix and a twenty twenty 115 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:39,839 seven second round pick from Phoenix. The Sons get Jared Vanderbilt and Joe Ingles. 116 00:07:40,079 --> 00:07:44,079 The Jazz get Grayson Allen, Marjehanvauchamp, George Hill, the Boxes twenty 117 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:46,680 twenty nine first round pick top eight protection. Could you could loosen it, 118 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,519 but it turns into a twenty twenty nine second if not conveyed. However, 119 00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:54,759 after hearing and I was uneasy, I wrote about this, how like giving 120 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:58,439 up Joe Ingles kind of feels not great in this deal because Malik Beasley and 121 00:07:58,519 --> 00:08:01,959 Jay Crowder don't give you a ton of half court creation. But I actually 122 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,160 would pick either one of them to close games over Joe Ingles in that scenario, 123 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:09,560 and Joe Ingles would be weirdly helpful, to Phoenix. I'm not weirdly 124 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,399 helpful. He could be helpful to Phoenix. But now that you have the 125 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,279 rumor out there of okay, well this is what it costs to get Jay 126 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,879 Crowder, the new deal I have is the Bucks get Malik Beasley and Jay 127 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:26,600 Crowder, the Sons get Vanderbilt, George Hill, and Sergebaca. The Jazz 128 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:30,959 get Grayson Allen, Jordan War, Marjan bow Champ, Wesley Matthews, and 129 00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:33,320 then that twenty twenty nine first round pick. And I'm wondering if bucksn't even 130 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,039 say like that's too much, just because it seems like they get Jay Crowder 131 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,759 for spare parts. But if it's costing you a first round pick and that 132 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:46,279 first round pick and mar Jean bow Champ to get Malie Beasley and Jay Crowder, 133 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,720 that feels like an absolute home run, especially if in this scenario you 134 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:52,360 are keeping Joe Ingles, which it seems like they would they would like to 135 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,279 do, But that was the trade idea. I came up with them because 136 00:08:56,279 --> 00:08:58,360 I think that they need more than I don't think they need more. They 137 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:01,639 could still in the title, but if I wanted to sort of solidify their 138 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,639 status as one of the let's say two most likely teams to win the title. 139 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,960 I'm elite. Beasley jay Crowder acquisition just feels like it does that. 140 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,679 And you have Beasley's under team control next year, and you could resign Jay 141 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,360 Crowder if you really want to. I agree. I love that. From 142 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,080 the Buck side, I just bump on the Jazz giving up Beasley and Vanderbilt 143 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:26,759 basically and the premium assets a twenty twenty nine first, Like that's way out. 144 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,519 I don't know why. I just think that they might. I feel 145 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:35,200 like between those two guys, it should be a first and like at least 146 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,480 one I guess maybe bo Champ is that guy, but at least one other 147 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:43,440 thing that like really is a high end asset. It's not. That's the 148 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,600 only side I bump on. I think everybody else is like getting Vanderbilt to 149 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,399 Phoenix, I really like it, and I just don't I thought, would 150 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,200 they give up could they just protect the hell out of this year's first round 151 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,360 pick? Would they give that up Jake Crowder and that for Vanderbilt? If 152 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,039 they do that, I think it simplifies a lot where it's maybe the b 153 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,600 then don't have to give up their twenty twenty nine first, or they don't 154 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,919 have to go up bow Champ. But I just I'm not giving up a 155 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,000 first round pick if I'm Phoenix for just Jared Vanderbilt. Yeah, do you 156 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:13,960 agree that Crowder is the most likely Bucks acquisition if you just had to, 157 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,559 like, you know, give odds. Yeah, I just don't mean that 158 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:20,799 might even be. I'm doing trade deadline predictions and I try like the ones 159 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:22,679 I'm trying to get right, and I might just predict, predict Jay Crowder 160 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,799 to the Bucks most likely player to be traded for them. By the way, 161 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,000 who did you have? I think probably Alan just because of the salary. 162 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,279 If you're trying to do anything, whether it's Crowder or not, that's 163 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:37,720 the cleanest way to get there. Well, he wasn't involved in the last 164 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:46,200 That last package they're just gonna get. Ivacca is the rare minimum salary guy 165 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,440 who doesn't play that is basically demanding a trade. That's that's a tough look. 166 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,159 So yeah, he might go first. Our next team is the Cleveland 167 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:58,120 Cavaliers, and look, the question for them is the same as ever, 168 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,039 is how big of an upgrade can they make to the wing rotation without a 169 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,279 first round pick. To deal. And then it's also how all in are 170 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,879 they willing to go on that wing acquisition to where would you give up Isaaco 171 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:16,559 Coro who's been playing well to improve your wing rotation? Spoiler alert of people 172 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,840 are not happy in Cleveland with the trade that I proposed for this, even 173 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,759 though I thought it was fair. You also have carous Lavert sitting here, 174 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:24,120 and so I go back and forth to whether, like if they wanted to 175 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:31,200 take a swing and you include carous Leavert and Isaaco Coro, what does that 176 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,000 get you? Or even if you're just dangling Isaaco core out there, or 177 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:37,320 can you just go out and get a Josh Richardson or jel and McDaniels without 178 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:41,679 giving up any of like carous Leavert or Isaacle Coro. Is that the route 179 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,679 that they go? Do they think even smaller time where it's just you know, 180 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:48,360 the Bucks are looking for a home because they're trying to complete the six 181 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,000 for one to get Jay Crowder and then you get home. For Wesley Matthews 182 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,159 is like do the cavaliers just say, yeah, you know, like he's 183 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,559 just like kind of this wingish body who's eighty years old, But but we'll 184 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:05,000 take what route do you see them going here? I think I keep coming 185 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:11,200 back to Lavert, like I totally get the Akorro, the hesitation for moving 186 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:16,759 a Cooro, even if he, you know, was disappointing, like unequivocally 187 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:20,360 based on his draft slot and looks like there's a player there now or at 188 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,399 least lately. So if you want to hang on to him somehow, I 189 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,320 guess you know, that'd be great, And it would be even better if 190 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,919 he were good enough that this was not the constant topic of how do we 191 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:37,360 get a guy that can fill the gap between Garland Mitchell and then Mobili Allen, 192 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,960 Like who's that fifth guy? It would be great if it were a 193 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,720 Korro, so then maybe it still will be I don't know, But Lavert 194 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:46,240 is the guy that just seems superfluous to me. I don't I don't like 195 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:52,879 his fit in the starting lineup just because he provides principally what they don't need 196 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:56,320 as another shot creator on ball guy that you know, he can do other 197 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,080 things, but that's the main thing he's out there for. And I just 198 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,200 don't have to put a huge value on him doing that for second units or 199 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:05,919 with one or the other of Mitchell and Garland. So I think he's the 200 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:11,480 guy that I would be looking most to move. I just like, what 201 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,360 does every other team view him that way? Because I think we're past the 202 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:16,919 point where a team would say, oh, Lavert is a guy that we're 203 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:22,480 going to start at the two, just full stop, and he's going to 204 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,399 be you know, like, I don't know that his value is at that 205 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:28,720 level anymore. So then a chorl almost has to come back into it because 206 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:31,360 then he puts you in play with teams that want a second draft guy or 207 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,279 a high upside guy, a rookie scale contract like that kind of thing. 208 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,279 So like I'm looking at Gary Trent obviously not to jump too far ahead, 209 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,559 but someone like that. I don't know if he's quite big enough. Honestly, 210 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:45,360 I think I want, like, ideally, i'd want six seven sixty 211 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,960 eight with length to be at that three spot. You need to calm down. 212 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,360 Nevin Mobile and Jared Owen are there, right, that's the thing I'm 213 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,840 saying ideally. But Trent is the type, right, I think he's gonna 214 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,720 make shots. He's disruptive offensively, He's always gotten a lot of steals like 215 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:03,159 that. That works. That works for me, I just Lavert and some 216 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,919 other stuff is you know, and plenty of other stuff. I think it 217 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:07,200 is what it would take to get that done. The only thing that might 218 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,320 complicate this and I don't I don't even know if this was supposed to be 219 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,080 off the record or not, so I'll just making off the record. But 220 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,559 apparently I don't know if this was a public quote or if this is something 221 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,720 I was told off the record that Lavert is willing to accept a pay cut 222 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:20,679 to stay in Cleveland. And it's like that complicates it a little bit, 223 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:24,200 where if you think you could get him cheaper just to have him as sort 224 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,960 of like the and he has not been terrible this season, so like it. 225 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:33,399 I still think they need to make a wing addition, but that's going 226 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,879 to factor into the calculus. Which my trade idea for the Cavs, which 227 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:41,000 again was roundly rejected by a few people in Cleveland, was Ken Birch and 228 00:14:41,039 --> 00:14:45,960 Gary Trench Junior for Carros Laverte Isaaco Coro in a Denver's twenty twenty six second 229 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:50,080 round pick. If you could get back or not Ken Birch in that deal 230 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:52,200 like a different smaller salary. I just viewed it as like, if you're 231 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,840 not getting up a tangible first round pick, like that's what you would need 232 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:58,840 to do to get Garry Trench Junior. Maybe you could even complete this deal 233 00:14:58,879 --> 00:15:03,879 with out Karis LeVert stepladder your way there with Jeddy Osman, Dylan Windler and 234 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:07,679 Isaaco Coro I believe gets you there. Would that make it more likely you're 235 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,519 not getting Gary tren Junior though to Cleveland without giving up Isaaco Korro. That 236 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:15,120 would just be And he's been hitting his threes, but it's not I won't 237 00:15:15,559 --> 00:15:18,320 look, He's fooled me like eight times before, I'm not going to let 238 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,480 it happen a ninth time. I don't see it translating to the playoffs that 239 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,639 he will be an offensive detriment to them. I think you can already look 240 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:26,879 and teams are not guarding him. That is going to make life tougher on 241 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,080 other players, even if he is hitting his wide open threes, because he's 242 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,480 not going to take eight of them a game. So that would be my 243 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:37,799 concern. I would move Isaaco Coro. Now would I move him for Josh 244 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,480 Richardson like I proposed that the Spurs should try and do that. I probably 245 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,159 wouldn't most of the use. I think you get that deal done without including 246 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,840 him. But like Isaaco Coro is just I'm not out on him as an 247 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:50,399 NBA player, but for what this team needs, I know, he gives 248 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,200 you so much defensive value when you're playing two smaller guards. You have him 249 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,120 a mobile and Jared Allen, like there's a cushion there, And so I 250 00:15:56,159 --> 00:16:00,879 would move him for Gary tren Junior. I would too, that I know. 251 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,240 I mean he's on an expiring deal, which makes him similar to Trent 252 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:08,039 and well slightly different because of the player option, but like, uh similar 253 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:11,759 in that regard. Like if I'm Toronto, I think Lavert is a little 254 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:15,159 closer to the type of player that I might want because that, like I 255 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,440 just said, like his skill is as an on ball shot creator, you 256 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:25,159 know, like I think that. You know, now if he would rather 257 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,200 just stay in Cleveland and is not interested in resigning, if he ends up 258 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,000 in Toronto, that's a whole other thing. But you know, I was 259 00:16:32,039 --> 00:16:34,480 asking, almost rhetorically, like who's looking for that? Actually Toronto is looking 260 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,559 for that. Toronto want should want a player kind of like Carius Lavert, 261 00:16:38,759 --> 00:16:41,799 especially if you can get him, you know for a player in Trent that 262 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,440 maybe is going to cost more or you know, doesn't quite feel that same 263 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:51,720 that same niche Do you have anything else that there's situations like just kind of 264 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:53,240 simple they're most likely who is their most likely a player to be traded? 265 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,519 I had it as Carous laverp. I'm sort of wondering at this point, 266 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:00,600 is it is it Jetty Osman? Well, like I think I was leaning 267 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:04,160 Lavert. I guess I'll stay with Lavert. But that's only on the assumption 268 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,279 that they really are going to go address the small forward spot. But if 269 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:11,680 it's if it's not, if it's like a smaller thing, or they're gonna 270 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,079 take some other stings. There's a lot of options like Osman, Yeah, 271 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,559 seven million this year, non guarantee next year, Windward four million, or 272 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,640 even yeah, like well Dean Wade's not going anywhere. Yeah, there's a 273 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,319 couple other options. But I guess it's probably Lavert. And I just say 274 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:30,440 that because I think Cleveland is good enough or should view itself as good enough 275 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:37,480 to operate on a we gotta we need to add somebody just now to see 276 00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:41,359 see what we can do in these playoffs. I think I concur with you. 277 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,319 That was a nice easy team. Yeah, the Pacers are my next 278 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:52,000 team, and they're kind of another buyer seller hard to say, and it's 279 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:55,680 kind of been that way from the moment they had a hot start or hotter 280 00:17:55,759 --> 00:17:59,160 than than expected. They've kind of fallen off a cliff ever since Harry's Haliburton 281 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,799 has been hurt. But they're still in a position where, you know, 282 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,240 they still have some cap space. They used up seventeen million of it on 283 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:11,200 a renegotiate and extend with Miles Turner, but they're still just under eleven million 284 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,599 in space. So all the like take on a lopsided trade, you know, 285 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,880 to get a pick with some bad money. Yeah, you can take 286 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,000 John Collins be the team that finally ends this national nightmare of will John Collins 287 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:30,759 trade. So I still think for me, they ought to be thinking, 288 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,599 you know, I'm not. I don't know if I want to take on 289 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:40,640 bad money too, you know, enthusiastically. But they can be opportunistic. 290 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,440 They can try to buy. They can you know, they can see what's 291 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,559 out there for Buddy Healed, who you know, there was a time where 292 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:49,440 that contract looked really bad. But I think it's just twenty one million next 293 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:52,480 year. I don't have their sheet up in front of me. That's a 294 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,880 it's a botch job on my part. But he signed you know, when 295 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,480 he signed that deal, it had declining structure. So like he's someone that 296 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,240 I think would have significant value elsewhere. And if you assume Bennick Matherin, 297 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,920 which would be the correct assumption, is in line to take over that job. 298 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,480 Yeah, twenty one million twenty one point two for healed this year, 299 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,079 at nineteen point three next year and then it expires. I think that's someone 300 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,839 they should be looking to move. I think Chris Duarte is on that list 301 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,279 too, you know, Isaiah Jackson, t J McConnell. Yeah, I 302 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:23,599 for you guys, I gad Jackson at this point, if you're actually gonna 303 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,720 keep Turner, who is I don't know if you've been tracking that. There 304 00:19:26,759 --> 00:19:30,440 was a huge debate over whether Miles Turner which still trade eligible after his extension, 305 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:34,200 and the verdict is he could be traded now. Kevin Pritchard said, 306 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,440 we don't as sign people to contracts just to trade them. I believe Bob 307 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,400 Meyers also said the same thing about DeAngelo Russell, and we all have that. 308 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:45,279 Yeah, but you knew that wasn't true. With Russell, there was 309 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,039 no there was no question. So yeah, I think I think it's an 310 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:53,559 opportunistic situation for the Pacers. I don't know how how easy it will be 311 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,720 necessarily to go get like another young piece with you know, Buddy Healed and 312 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,799 you probably not giving draft picks as your as your main assets to move. 313 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:07,599 But like they can sweeten whatever they want if they need to move Healed and 314 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:11,839 there's a young player or something that they can take back. It's it's it's 315 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,920 it's out. It's possible because they've got all their own picks. They've got 316 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,480 Boston's first, they've got Cleveland's first and twenty three, so they have the 317 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:22,519 assets. I still just view them as as a team that you know, 318 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,839 doesn't need to make huge swings. Definitely should not trade Turner. I think 319 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,319 I think he makes a lot of sense with Haliburton. So yeah, they're 320 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:33,240 they're kind of in a weird middle ground, but in a strange way, 321 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:37,799 the stakes are just so much lower than a lot of other teams in their 322 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:41,160 position, just because they have Haliburton as a cornerstone, they have Matherin. 323 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,160 Turner's deal is going to look really reasonable on those two extra years that he 324 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,440 added, because it's like right around twenty million. So yeah, I don't 325 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,480 know. I don't have a great over you know, overview for them, 326 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:55,880 but I guess my main thing is i'd be looking to move healed. I 327 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,240 just don't I don't know. I think he has value, and I don't 328 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:02,400 know why you necessarily need him on a team that has its backcourt fairly well 329 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:07,079 set. Yeah, I'm just like he's been so good this year, and 330 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:14,240 if they're actually trying to not accelerate but not decelerate their process, you just 331 00:21:14,319 --> 00:21:17,599 keep him and then you could revalue your position over the summer. I'm just 332 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:22,440 because I could see them buying just they've they've fallen off since the tires, 333 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,240 Halibert and injury, which just makes sense. Their tenth in the Eastern Conference 334 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:29,400 right now, I believe, unless I have not refreshed this, Yeah, 335 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,000 they're tenth four years under five hundred, Like they're still within striking distance of 336 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:36,400 doing something. I'm not saying they would consolidate all their picks, but I 337 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,640 could see them just standing pat and trying to make them run or is it. 338 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,319 I guess we can get to well who's your most likely player to be 339 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:45,839 traded for this team? I mean, like you said, the Turner deal 340 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,519 makes Jackson, I mean even Goga Beata's it might be. It might be 341 00:21:51,559 --> 00:21:55,880 the one one of those centers. Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, 342 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,880 I don't think there's a market for Daniel Tys or he would be on 343 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,519 the list too. They don't. I don't know. I'm curious what you 344 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:04,160 think. I don't think that. I don't see anyone that like leaps out 345 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,279 as all this guy is, you know, because of salary and position or 346 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:11,160 whatever, like, oh he's gotta go. They're just it could be Shaped 347 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,359 Brisett like for all I know. So, yeah, they don't have I 348 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,319 put Isaiah Jackson, and I put that after the Miles Turner extension. I 349 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,640 was just like, all right, like they gotta do something with him now. 350 00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:25,839 But the trade idea I have does not involve isaihah Jackson. It is 351 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:32,200 the Pacers get John Collins and Justin Holliday. The Hawks get Zach Collins, 352 00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:36,000 Josh Richardson, o' shape Resett or Jalen Smith. They can have their pick 353 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,720 Cleveland's twenty twenty three first round pick, which is lottery protected then turns into 354 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:42,440 two seconds. It will not turn into two seconds. It'll it'll convey. 355 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:49,400 Then the Spurs get Chris Daarte, Jalen Johnson, and Daniel Tye. So 356 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,480 if I'm the Pacers, we'll look at it from their perspective. I'm giving 357 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:57,440 up Duarte, Tye, Brissette or Smith and that first, and I'm getting 358 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:02,440 back Collins because the holiday is kind of incidental to me, just in like 359 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:07,279 we've talked all year about like John Collins value not making sense. That's I 360 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:10,680 think that's a pretty good, pretty good deal to get Collins for that, 361 00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:12,960 because you're you're not giving away a core piece, You're just you know, 362 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,400 I would give up the second first round pick too, Like if if and 363 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,960 that is said, we want that Boston pick, Yeah, I would give 364 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,279 it up to in a hard point. Yeah, sure, I think that's 365 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:26,640 fine. I think from the Pacers perspective, that totally works. And like, 366 00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:30,960 you know, I don't know what the Collins Miles Turner fit would would 367 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,680 be like, but I think I kind of like probably perfect. Yeah, 368 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:38,319 I like I think Collins. I still believe in Collins as a defender because 369 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:44,920 I've just seen it in flashes in big games and I think there's a great 370 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,160 chance. I mean imagine, like none of the friction of the Sabonis turner 371 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,880 pairing would exist here just because both of them can do stuff with the ball 372 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,759 away from the basket and both of them can shoot. It's just it makes 373 00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:57,680 a lot more sense. So I'm very into that. If I'm the Pacers, 374 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:03,960 do you have anything else on them? Let's see, I feel like 375 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,920 we want I don't want a short change the Pacers too much here, But 376 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:10,200 I don't know, like if is there a contract out there? I think 377 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:12,920 Collins is obviously a value add but is there is there is there a way 378 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:18,799 for them to get into a situation where they're taking on somebody's unwanted money and 379 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,039 like getting another first, because that sort of feels like the route you would 380 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:26,200 normally take for a team in this position. But I just don't mean like 381 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:30,839 it's all they have to, like because there it's eleven million that they haven't 382 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,720 kept with a little under eleven million cap space. That just made like, 383 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:34,440 you know, the Nicks, what if they just said, we'll give you 384 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,759 Obie Topp and Nevin Fournie, But who are you sending back out right in 385 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:41,079 that? And also that's a trade. I could see the making where it's 386 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,079 sort of a cheaper player. Cam Reddish would be someone else that that brings 387 00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:48,160 some mind there, maybe even as a Deek Bay, Like if the Pistons 388 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,839 like, well we'll take that Cleveland pick fors a deck Bay or even the 389 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:53,640 I don't think they take the Boston pick. I could see them making a 390 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:59,920 move like that. I just lopsided money wise. I don't know how fee 391 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,720 ble that is. Like John Collins is the perfect example where it's okay, 392 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,680 they made I just made that one work. But you might need to send 393 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,519 out you know, like what is the other players that you're sending out to 394 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,279 make? Like, because if a team wants to get off money, it's 395 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:17,000 probably pretty sizeable. Yeah, Like are who even are the salary dump candidates? 396 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:22,920 Like we've said, Heyward j Robinson, Duncan Robinson, Yeah, yeah, 397 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,759 you're gonna. Yeah, it's just you know, that's always the route. 398 00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:29,839 I like to go for a team that's not gonna you know, contend 399 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,319 and has calf space. But the Pacers don't have a lot like you said, 400 00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:37,319 and there just aren't there aren't that many out there. Yeah, but 401 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,960 this team, I feel like I guess it's just gonna stand pat now, 402 00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:42,880 Like I don't I could see them being I think they're so I'll phrase it 403 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,160 this way. I think they're more likely to opportunistically buy than they are to 404 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,599 just trade buddy Healed. Yeah, I think that's probably right. It's just 405 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,160 something about Healed and like I understand that he's been a good locker room presence 406 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:02,079 and has played well and make sense on a team if next year you're trying 407 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,640 to like, you know, win a playoff series potentially, as kind of 408 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,880 far fetched as that seems from here, it's just still like the Age, 409 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,160 the Age band and the like, Is he a guy that you're gonna be? 410 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,400 I don't know. It's just he's the kind of the which one of 411 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,400 these things doesn't belong to some extent, and so that always like puts my 412 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,920 trade, you know, antenna up. But there's no there's nothing wrong with 413 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,799 keeping one of the best shooters in the league who's gonna make nineteen million next 414 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,079 year. Like that's if you need to trade him, do it at the 415 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:33,200 deadline next year when there are more teams that could give you something. Next 416 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,759 team up in the Central Division, the Chicago Bulls, are they buyers, 417 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:41,119 sellers or inexplicably stand patterns. I have no idea what they're gonna do, 418 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,359 and I think the questions here are just sort of easy. Are they a 419 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,599 blow it up candidate? Is Alex Caruser or Nikolavukovich available, even if they're 420 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,039 not blow it up candidates? And if they if they're looking to continue to 421 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:55,640 make a run with this court, can they add shooting with death end or 422 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,279 another big they have a bunch of needs as a buyer, And you could 423 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:03,640 also ask like, well, how does a Lonzo balls trajectory impactice? It's 424 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:06,039 very clear he's just not going to play this season, so you need to 425 00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:11,000 operate under the assumption that you're not going to have a Lonzo Ball. I 426 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:14,519 have their most likely be player to be traded as Kobe White, even though 427 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:18,880 I think that it should be like I'm all for tear it down. I 428 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,519 don't say that lightly. I say it because they could actually do it, 429 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:23,799 Like you get something for zach Lavine and de Rosen and Caruso. I don't 430 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:26,720 know what you can have for Boots at this point. But but he's expiring. 431 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,079 They're just in such like an uninspiring position right now, and they've had 432 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:37,079 some like hotter spurts during this stretch, But like when you go and the 433 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:38,519 trade idea I have for them is just like I couldn't even come up with 434 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:44,519 like a buy trade for them because they're so pick encumbered. They have their 435 00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,240 pick this year is gonna go to Orlando. It's top four protected, which 436 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,480 is the argument, by the way, against them blowing it up, because 437 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:53,680 then you're risk sending Orlando this really valuable pick. They also their twenty twenty 438 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,039 five pick under top ten protection to the to the San Antonio Spurs. They 439 00:27:57,079 --> 00:28:02,680 do have Portland's lottery protected first round pick coming in. That's probably well, 440 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,279 I won't say probably, there's a chance though that doesn't convey protected. That's 441 00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:10,480 one of the worst protected picks to protected through twenty twenty eight. What is 442 00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:12,039 what was neil O'Shea thinking? I think he was the one that made that 443 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,559 trade. So I just I don't know what they do. I don't like 444 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,000 coming on this podcasting. I don't have a feel for what a team should 445 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,319 do or will do. Rather, I know what they should do. I 446 00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:25,839 think we all know what the Bulls should do. I just don't have a 447 00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:30,000 feel for what they will do. And also what can they feasibly do? 448 00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:33,519 I mean to me, I don't have a lot to add. I think. 449 00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:40,279 So if you're just looking at say between Caruso, j Rosen and I 450 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:42,160 don't know, throw Lavine in there, I guess. I mean, how 451 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,400 many first round picks, like good first do you think those three guys should 452 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,319 yield? Is it like seven? I mean, you know, if you're 453 00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,160 thinking Levin, we're gonna give up five first round picks for Rojana No, 454 00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:57,519 right, yeah, I'm really loose with the picks today. But that's all 455 00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:02,640 to say, Like, I mean, look, I'm not the right guy 456 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,920 to talk to about the Bulls because I was as out as out could be 457 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,000 on their whole way of thinking on the Bouchevich trade. And we're talking two 458 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:14,680 years ago now, like I just you know, and it's already I think 459 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,160 it's I'm gonna write about this. I think it's one of the worst trades 460 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,279 in the last five years, like pretty comfortably just because you know, not 461 00:29:21,319 --> 00:29:22,640 just because of the assets. You know, Wendell Carter I think, has 462 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,480 been a better player than Vouchevic over the life of that deal, which was 463 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:29,880 like not the plan in a win now trade. And Franz Wagner is probably 464 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,799 going to be better than both of them. And there's that other pick that 465 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,640 might convey should convey this year. It's a question of how good it's going 466 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:41,200 to be. But more so than the particulars, just the overall idea of 467 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,799 the Bulls were trying to win in the immediate and they just like didn't do 468 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,240 it right. They picked Bouchevich to be a center, you know, on 469 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:53,319 an offense first team, and it just wasn't big enough value add And now 470 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,799 here they are and Bouchevitch they might just lose them, you know, free 471 00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:59,200 agency, which would probably be fine. Like that's not a good place to 472 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,680 be. So this is a teardown to me, and and I would want 473 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,799 all the picks I could possibly get to sort of you know, refill the 474 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,920 cupboard in that regard. And because I also think like the alternative is we're 475 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:18,039 going to add to this roster, like how with what and to what end? 476 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:23,279 Because I don't see a trade that's even remotely feasible that gets them into 477 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:27,359 the I don't know even not like forget Boston, Milwaukee, Philly, like 478 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,079 to the Cleveland tier of the East. I just like I don't. I 479 00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:34,319 don't see it. And so then like, well, what's what's the point. 480 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,079 So yeah, I think they're sellers, and I think it's just as 481 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:45,000 much because as much as anything, because like the buy route just almost doesn't 482 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,000 work, you know, I don't I don't understand how you make that work. 483 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,279 I don't even know what. Let's just say they were willing to dangle 484 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,880 the Portland pick. What is the matching salary? U think if you're not 485 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,799 trading Levigne de Rosen or Bouche, who wants Monzo right now? If someone 486 00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:02,400 will, well, I would actually take a flyer on Lonzo on a team. 487 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,200 But like the value, Like, are you giving up the first round 488 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,279 pick to get off of Lonzo's money is two years and about forty two million 489 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:12,240 left on his deal after this one. And then so once you get past 490 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:17,200 Lonzo, everyone else makes below ten million dollars and so now you're giving up 491 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,599 like not real stuff, but like you're gonna have to give Patrick Williams or 492 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:25,720 Alex Caruso in addition to Kobe White to get a Gary Trent Junior or Maleague 493 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,240 Beasley. No, you're not doing that. Yeah, well, Williams is 494 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,519 the guy we hadn't mentioned him until you just did. Like, if you're 495 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,559 packaging a player with a first for a win, now move, he's got 496 00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:38,400 to be it. And and like you said, he's making seven point eight 497 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,279 million this year and like that's just I don't know if that's going to get 498 00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,759 you there. But Willie there that would I was complaining that there's like I 499 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:48,240 don't see a route. Like that's about it. I think is if you're 500 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,559 trying to get a veteran to help you, Williams probably has to be the 501 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,759 guy to go. And like it's not like Williams. I don't know, 502 00:31:55,839 --> 00:32:01,000 I'm mostly out on Williams, but man, you know he's throw away exactly. 503 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:04,759 You're not just giving a play that's like, yeah, you would give 504 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,839 him up in an OG and a nob trade for sure. But Patrick Williams 505 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:14,039 the first and like what's said, like yeah, like that's not doing it. 506 00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:16,400 Maybe Caruso, Patrick Williams and the first. But then if you're trying 507 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,160 to win, now, isn't Cruso important? Like it's just he is the 508 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:27,240 big thing to me is like in an alternate reality, how different are things 509 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,440 if Lonzo Ball just is healthy because he was so obviously critical to them when 510 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,079 they were at the start of last year. I know what he did was 511 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:39,279 so connective and critical, but he's not the difference between this team being eleventh 512 00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:43,759 and fourth in the East. Is he his three I guess his three point 513 00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:46,440 volume in defense or just two things that they need so badly. I mean, 514 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,119 yeah, it's so it's it's like you're really you're playing pretty fast and 515 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,759 loose with like small samples, because you know, when they were great to 516 00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:58,000 start last year or better than they've been since then, it was just him 517 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,400 and Caruso breaking havoc and the ball was hopping around because Lonzo was out there, 518 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,359 and just none of that has persisted since he's been out. So it's 519 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:10,640 sort of you just have the the two comparative, you know, sections of 520 00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:14,960 this team over the last couple of years, one with Ball, one without 521 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:17,000 and with Baal they were good and without Ball they had not been good. 522 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:22,519 And it's just I wonder, like, would we even be considering like a 523 00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:23,839 blow it up thing if he had just been healthy. I think we'd be 524 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,519 a lot closer to thinking like, well, what can they get for Patrick 525 00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,079 Williams because they're not that far away from being as good as Cleveland or like 526 00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:34,440 lower it even Miami, whatever, Brooklyn, if they're not all the way 527 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,279 like I think it's a lot closer question if he's healthy, and that's just 528 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,480 that's just bad luck, because like that was a good deal to get ball 529 00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:44,279 like that. They did that, right, I think, so my trade 530 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:47,599 for them, there was the rumor of report that they wanted two first round 531 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,799 picks for Alex Caruso. Then there was a report that the Nuggets were shopping 532 00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:55,559 Bones Highland. So my trade was Christian Brown and Bones Highland for Alex Carusoe 533 00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:59,240 Javonte Green. I view that as the equivalent of two first round picks. 534 00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:01,839 Brown first year of his rookie Kale is showing some defensive toughness. If he 535 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,000 can hit his free throws and get his threes up in more volume, he'd 536 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,880 be good. Bones Highland they could use like you have Gore on Draget, 537 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,960 you have Kobe White. He's probably an upgrade over both as a bench score. 538 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,199 I still think there's a move you make if you're looking at pivoting into 539 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,840 a bigger picture direction. So I was curious. Let's just say the move 540 00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:25,199 is Chicago is looking at other trades to sell who says no to this framework, 541 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,440 which is Christian Brown and Bones Highland for Alex Caruso and Javonte Green, 542 00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:31,400 who injured right now. But if he comes back from I think it's a 543 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,679 knee problem, he's actually really he's really going to help you with your front 544 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,760 court defense. If you're Denver, I want well. I actually I guess 545 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,639 Chicago says no only because they might disagree that those two guys are the same 546 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:51,079 as two first round picks. And that's mostly a statement that I love it 547 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:55,159 for Denver because I think I don't. I don't value Highland Highland that highly 548 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,079 because it's just, I mean, seems like he's classed with Mike Malone and 549 00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:04,280 he doesn't defend these you know, that kind of live wire second unit scoring 550 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,639 is not that value. I do like Brown, but he's just such a 551 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:10,559 low usage, you know piece as a rookie that Caruso's impact would be so 552 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,920 huge for Denver that that I'm good with that. I think the Bulls might 553 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,239 be correct in thinking, like we can get a legit first for Caruso. 554 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,360 Where would you do if you're the Nuggets, would you change it up to 555 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:29,559 go Bones Thiland or you're twenty twenty nine first for Caruso. So then like 556 00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:32,480 that's just a question of do I is Brown or A twenty twenty nine first 557 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:37,960 more valuable? I guess that's more getting the immediacy of bones. So maybe 558 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:44,280 you have three pick this year. Yeah, I don't know, that's I 559 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,119 mean, like, then you definitely trade Kobe White, I guess, but 560 00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:49,880 that was I mean, I think you happen to let him off for nothing 561 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,320 and you're okay. It's just like, yeah, that's not bad. I'm 562 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,119 with that. Are you're the Pistons, right, Yeah, I got the 563 00:35:55,159 --> 00:36:00,559 Pistons. They they're, believe it or not, at the bottom of the 564 00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:05,039 East standings. They are sellers, but they're weirdly powerful sellers because they have 565 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,480 a couple of guys, chiefly Billiam Mgdanovich that maybe there are other names that 566 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:15,119 have come up more often than his this year as trade candidates, but like 567 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,800 I'm not sure. I mean, he may be the number one Collins, 568 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,840 maybe Collins, Yeah, maybe, I don't know who else. There's Beasley 569 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,480 and GTJ I would throw up there. Yeah, he's he's He's in the 570 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:35,400 pantheon though, of most mentioned trade candidates. I guess my main question for 571 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:43,239 them is like how serious are they about their asking price for him? Because 572 00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:49,960 I think it's reasonable to drive a really hard bargain because as we've said, 573 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,679 like this is the guy that everybody should want, that it should theoretically be 574 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,840 available. But I also don't know how. I mean, they're acting like 575 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,320 this is going to be the case, but is it really realistic that the 576 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,800 Pistons are just going to hang on to him and try to run it back 577 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,280 again next year with this whole like we're ready to take a step forward thing 578 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:14,320 and we want the Like that feels pretty posturey to me, But they haven't 579 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,599 moved him yet. I just he's the swing piece for this team. He 580 00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:20,639 might be the other than the Raptors, like the swing piece for the trade 581 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:27,039 market at this deadline. So that's really my main uncertainty, because there are 582 00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:30,119 other guys that can trade to, and they should. They should be looking 583 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:34,199 to sell just for everything, which cuts against this idea that we're going to 584 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,199 hold on to a couple of vets because we think we can be better next 585 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,559 year. You know, Sadi Bay a much cheaper alternative still on his rookie 586 00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:45,440 scale deal. Alec Burks is really palatable just because he is the you know, 587 00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:49,960 score shot creator, you know hybrid one two, I guess more of 588 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,199 a two lately. But he's ten million this year and ten point five as 589 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,960 a team option next year, so you get like a lot of leverage and 590 00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:00,639 power, and that's just a valuable thing to have. I still don't know 591 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,000 if either Bay or Burks is going to get you more than seconds, so 592 00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:07,480 I guess that would maybe cut against trying to move them this year. But 593 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:13,719 yeah, this is a seller. I think Bogdanovich should be the most likely 594 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,800 player to move, just because the return projects to me as the greatest. 595 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,280 I just don't know, what do you think. Do you think this is 596 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,440 a scenario where if they don't get I don't know what the most recent we 597 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,440 need a legit first, a good young player, and then whatever salary it's 598 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,400 gonna take. That seems to be what they want. Do you think that's 599 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,159 real and they're just not going to move him, or is that let's put 600 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:39,960 that out there and we'll settle for a first. You know, I don't 601 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,039 know if this is me snorting the slop too much, but I do believe 602 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:49,679 it because you look at them leading into next year, so they're gonna have 603 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,840 another high draft pick. Kate Cunningham, Jay and Ivy Jail and during killing 604 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:58,400 as making improvements this year, still having Isaiah Stewart, whatever they see into 605 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,440 de Bays on the block, plus cap space, they can still have over 606 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,559 thirty three million cap space this summer is what I have him at. They 607 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:07,800 might be under pressure to win. They don't have all these extra first round 608 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,559 picks in the chamber. Kate Cunningham year three. At that point, how 609 00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:17,400 long has Troy Weaver now been in charge at that juncture they made the Bogdanovitch 610 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,800 trade in the first place, And even if they're not under pressure to win, 611 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,519 to make a play in or playoff push, they might see a pathway 612 00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:29,199 to doing it because you have Kade and Jay n Ivy in year two and 613 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,360 improved Killian Hayes, having Jail and Durhan, having Bogdanovitch one of the best 614 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,480 shooters in the game right now, having Alec Burks who has that team option, 615 00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:39,840 so you could end up keeping him, and Burks has been good this 616 00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:44,679 year. The argument for them to trade, but because the other thing here 617 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,559 is they don't need to trade any of these guys to suck. They are 618 00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:50,440 bad right now, they're going to have top lottery odds, and so if 619 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,840 they wanted to wait and say, let's just see how we do next season 620 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,199 and we can revisit this. The one flaw in that logic would be I 621 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,280 don't think with Bogdanovitch specifically, I would argue that Burks would probably get similar 622 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:07,880 value next year as an expiring contract Bogdanovitch as a partial guarantee on the second 623 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,199 year of his extension. Like, the peak of his value is right now, 624 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,800 the pinnacle is right there, and so if you're gonna move him, 625 00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:16,320 move him. But if you're not going to get I would say a good 626 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:22,039 first round pick, while also maybe not having to take back money. Where 627 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,840 I think that's what also complicates this is I think they're a team that, 628 00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:29,360 because they will feel either pressure or the impetus to try and win, they 629 00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:32,079 value that cap space they're about to have. And so if the Heat come 630 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:35,400 along and say, well we'll give you an unprotected pick this year, we 631 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,320 have to take Duncan Robinson, I'm not sure that Detroit does that deal. 632 00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:43,639 Yeah, I think I think it's a little bit like the ant and Obe 633 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,119 argument, which is like, I don't think the market will be better to 634 00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:49,920 move this guy for Bogdanovitch than it is right now. I agree with that, 635 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,599 and I think I think if i'm them, I've kind of answer my 636 00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:59,360 own thing. I think it's a little bit posturing because it's just not realistic 637 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,440 to get every thing that they seem to be asking for. But I do 638 00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:05,199 think it is fair for them to say, we need a good first. 639 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,280 We don't want Miami's first. What's gonna be like twenty third or whatever. 640 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,519 It is, Like, we need a good first and you know, put 641 00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:13,840 it out a couple of years, even if you want to, that's fine. 642 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,320 Just let's I want like pretty substantial upside with it and then whatever salary 643 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:22,840 you need to use to make it work. But like, the thing for 644 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:28,360 me with the Pistons is or a thing is that I still like Cunningham has 645 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,039 shown him like real promise, Ivy, real flashes, Jalen during I don't 646 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:37,000 know how easy it is for a non stretch center to really be a star. 647 00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:42,119 Even with those guys, Cunningham is the closest. I'm not positive that 648 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,320 he's like the best player on a playoff team going forward, maybe probably even 649 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,800 but the injury stuff combined with just you know, they haven't done much when 650 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,519 he's been healthy, Like, I kind of want more bites at the apple 651 00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:58,960 to get the guy that's better than everybody I have, And like that's probably 652 00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:05,400 unrealistic or greedy or whatever, but that's that would be my thought of let's 653 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,400 move Bogdanovich now because the value is going down and maybe my best chance to 654 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,639 get another lottery ticket is today and it might not be there next summer. 655 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,079 So yeah, I don't know. I think it's some posturing, but some 656 00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:21,840 of it's justified. But then I think you still need more lottery tickets than 657 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,840 than the Pistons have, which I can already tell that you're not gonna like 658 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,679 my trade. So who's your most likely player? We trades boyon Bodonovitch, 659 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:36,920 I guess, but like Burks are bay are right there? I have Burkes 660 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,719 because I thought the asking price on him would be lower. It's just like 661 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,039 that, so it seems like easier for him to move. You're not gonna 662 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:45,519 like my deal. I could tell already, and I was kind of the 663 00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:50,559 fence on it. But Duncan Robinson, Nakola Yovich, the Miami Heats twenty 664 00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:53,400 twenty three first round pick in twenty twenty eight second round pick for Boyon Madonovitch. 665 00:42:54,119 --> 00:43:00,400 Yeah, it's it's not quite there because Robinson's salary is not Yeah he 666 00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:04,199 is three years and like fifty five million left about. Yeah, it's not 667 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,199 super interested in that. And that first is I know it's got top four 668 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,840 protection on it, but like, yeah, the upside on that in twenty 669 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,519 three is especially when you're giving them but because like right now, I like 670 00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:22,159 the heat or not, I will say not inoculated against disaster. So it's 671 00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:25,159 people like they do have a top ten record as we're recording this, and 672 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,079 so like that's with Kyle, that's with that missing a ton of people, 673 00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,400 missing a ton of games. That's with Kyle Lowry not being that great this 674 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:36,519 year. So there's definitely like the element of Okay, well that's not really 675 00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:38,840 a good first round pick. Yeah, And I mean, like Jesus Christ, 676 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,199 like Bo'danovius would make them so much better, Like he would, he 677 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,719 would, he would fix so much of what's going on with him, even 678 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,760 though I just don't know what. I don't know what team would give up 679 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,960 the first round pick that I think gets it done. For Detroit, because 680 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,239 I don't even think does the Lakers twenty twenty seven first round pick do it? 681 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,039 Because now you're saying, well, the Imory asset, it's something that's 682 00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:04,679 not going to convey until five drafts from now. Yeah, Well that's that's 683 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,400 always the issue with a situation like this is the teams that should want the 684 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:13,119 guy are good, and the first that they're giving up, unless you punt 685 00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,000 them way out, are just not going to be that good. So it's 686 00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:20,199 like, how far out do you need to go for the team that has 687 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,960 the veteran the bad team with the veteran to move to be persuaded like, 688 00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:27,920 Okay, this is enough, Like the potential upside of this one is enough. 689 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,239 I mean that twenty seven first from the Lakers to me is a hell 690 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,079 of a lot better than a twenty three first from the Heat this year. 691 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,599 Correct. So I but even then it's like, should the Lakers even do 692 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,400 that? Because I don't know if he puts them over the top like he 693 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,320 might for the Heat. Are you ready to take us out here? Yeah? 694 00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:47,639 So once again, and as always, thanks everybody for listening. Please 695 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,719 make sure to rate, review, and subscribe. 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