Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, cats and dogs. Your boy bezeek
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our ninetyeth episode Let's go? Are you really keeping dragging it? I am
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It's good to be in the building. It is my unfortunate friends. I
think he's talking about Donald over here. But uh, you know, but
you started the episode calling me Donald and that's going to be on. Yes
it was. I don't know if you were calling him Donald. Yes,
that's exactly which one. It was, number one number. But you know
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heard it? Oh they heard it. I think you heard it. They
heard it because you know what this is how you know they pick up the
sound as soon as the music stop. You were saying Donald, and let's
tone edits it out. You're going to hear your voice anyways. You know
it's all good man. I'm happy, man, I'm excited to be here
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weeks. Well, I have a vacation next week, so I think I've
just geeked out, all right, ninety, No, this is ninety this
is don't cut me off. I'm excited just because you're over there working like
a like I'm supposed to be appreciate fairly. But no, I'm just excited
because I'm just excited. All next week next we're gonna go back into Tuesday,
the twenty eighth. So I got a trip this weekend, so I'll
be out of town, and could you be able to come back and uh,
you know, not have to go right back into uh the place.
It's a long time to be off. I know you sneeze. And I
hope you get a sign to prison on Thanksgiving? Yeah, why would you
say that? Why would why would you said a sign the prison? I'm
not getting he said, tripping fall it's too so his is okay, But
mind not tripping fall. You said, I hope you're go to jail.
I said, I hope you get assigned all prison. I heard, why
do you put my business out here? Shut up? Anyways? See you
do. Now you're gonna be all over your all episode. You're gonna be
all over you We talked about that before relax on this podcast. Can we
know? We didn't? Can we just we did? Do you mind we
move forward? We did not. We did because we all were making comparisons
with Kyrie Irvin situation. Man, come on, we'll talk about it later.
I'm not gonna do this. You do this with y'all. I'm not
doing this with you. To that you started this calling saying down ninety four
feet nation. This is what we do. This is our last episode before.
No, it's not our last. We recorded next week Thanksgiving in two
weeks. You got a vacation, but we still have to come into the
studio next week. So you gotta work next week? Then? No,
no, my lad. So this week I head to Chicago Friday. I'll
be in Chicago Friday, Serry Sunday. Okay, come back, come back,
Okay, you don't get to cut me off. You started them up,
you did it. There are no children here. It's not about that.
What fine. Coming on, Let's start with the injury report. I
don't want to do it. Uh, the injury report. The spirit of
rebellion is in the building today. Oh please do not give him any more
Emo to think he's in charge of was you're using the injury report Brooklyn Nets.
This is not true. He's actually back or did he get hurt again?
He got hurt again. I'm glad I dropped him from my fantasy team
with Cam Thomas is out with an ankle injury for two weeks. Hold on
just a second team. He's been injured for two weeks. When he plays,
I need a big He was one of my only two bigs. I
did auto draft this yere because I finished in the bottom two the last four
years. My lineup does not stink. Cam. Thank you, Thank you,
Cam Thomas, Cam, cam Thomas, thank you all right. Denver
Nuggets are without Jamal Murray. That's a big blow, excuse me to their
offense. He's out with a right hamstring injury. He is out for the
rest of November. The Lakers are without Jared Vanderbilt or Vanderbilt with vendor belt
vnder Belt at the university. He's out with a heel for an unknown amount
of time. A d surprise, surprise. He is out with hipspasm and
he's listed day to day. They had the worst meme of film. People
are so like, you know, we do what we do right because we're
friends, we're like family. But people take this stuff so far. Yeah
they take Yes they do, Yes, they do. Many people are human
beings. The Miami he Tyler hero bray two ankle spray out for two weeks.
I question that because he's already been out a week. But then'na be
the same people who catch a cold and need to take three days offrom work
man, come on and if they got paid means and dollars, people would
have something to say to Milwaukee Bucks are without Dame Lillard. He is out
with the calf injury day to day. Jay Crowder a growing injury day to
day. Why am I saying it like the Pelicans are without McCullum man prayor
to that man collapse right long? Man. That's that's tough. No timetable,
but positive healing reports are out there. That's what's up. Jose Alvarado
and injury out for two weeks. Seventy six Ers man Jeez Kelly Ubrey suffered
a broken ribs and cuts after being hit while walking last night and he is
out a significant amount of time. The Phoenix Suns Devin Booker is still out
with the calf injury. The Portland trail Blazers. Scott Henderson is scoot.
That says Scott Scoot. That says Scott Scoot is c o T Yeah,
scooped Henderson. He said Bray was walking, that he was a pedestrian,
and he got yeah, I don't understand why he was walking. I know
where he was walking to. They say he got hit hook car. I
see. I see the bus players that live in five point fifty walking downtown
all the time. That's different though. I guess my thing is if you're
walking talking about this, but if you walk, it's I think it's like
night time. I would think it's nighttime. No, that could have been
the daytime. Don't know what it was. And Robert Williams is out for
the rest of the season with the knee injury. And I'm not gonna say
this to say ha ha with all those fans in Boston that was crying about
Robert Williams getting traded, You dodged a bullet. And I'm not saying that
to be like a jerk. But he's always known to be injury prone.
He does like last year, I think he was out for most majority of
the year because he got hurt. I think it was knee issues, so
that's probably one of the reasons why they traded on. And just just just
to add to this, because you brought it up. My fantasy team,
Kyrie Irvin, Kyrese Halliburton, Kawhi, Leonard, Michael Porter, Junior,
Miles Turner, Aaron Gordon picked him up off the waiver wires, LaMelo Ball,
Drew Holliday, Jalen Johnson, Clint Capella, and Tyler Hero who's on
my injury reserve. So I dropped your boy from Brooklyn cam Thomas because he's
been on the injury list since we started and he was one of my only
bigs. So I picked up Aaron Gordon as a result. Who thank you?
Keep doing Thank you, bro. I can see if you do it
for somebody. And I'm winning five to six right six to five right now,
and in the league this is our third week I am and sixth place.
So your lineup is trash and you're in six place. Cool, but
the top eight make the playoffs with your line rash trash. Okay, Well,
when I went the pot at the end of the season, you hope
you get your money back. I mean, man, could you just said
you was in the rears. You just said, have you lost the last
three years? Yeah? But you know, hey, I hope you get
your money back. I'm the commissioner of the league. And okay, I
can't know that I know what that means. You know that means? What
does that mean? Hey, I'm just saying I know what that means.
You wouldn't have said if I know, we know what that means. Anyways,
you said Cam Thomas is one of your what he dropped? I dropped
him why because he was on the injured Listen what position you had him at?
He was a forward slash center. What Yeah, y'all had to think
about it for a second. I'm sending here to contemplated for a minute.
Keeps saying big Cam Thomas is a guard. He's a shooting guard slash all
forward. Play Oh my god, jeez, that was right. He's a
forward. Cam Johnson is a forward. You're saying forward big in fantasy basketball,
CA's Cameron Johnson, Cam Johnson. Cameron Johnson is the same thing Thomas.
I said, Cam fans, Okay, that's a good I thought,
we like I'm sitting here, think like man. No, So in the
beginning I read Cam Johnson I didn't say Thomas because you've been saying Thomas the
whole time, have I Yes, that's why. That's like, why did
you drop me a bucket? That's why I keep saying Cam, Cam Johnson.
I thought you were saying who, like like your normal would be like,
uh, Maurice Williams or Williams, Cam Thomas is a walking bucket.
Okay, well Cameron john but I'm thinking I'm thinking of my head like Johnson
play what made me really think about he just played when the bucks played in
my head like something? Okay, I thought that was weird too, but
I am. I was like I had it in my mind because I just
literally dropped him. So I'm looking like Cam Thomas. But but Cam Johnson
has been out that's why John Yes, yeah he's and yes I dropped him.
So that was hilarious. Wow, No, because we all thinking different
things. We are we are you keep saying it keeps like who. I'm
like, why do you keep doing that? Knowing he a bucket but keep
saying a big And I'm like camp because you know when you talk fantasy sports,
well, you know, when you talk fantasy sports, bigs are forwards
and center and you know what's funny because the thing about it is its Cam
Thompson. Cameron Johnson is different. But I see how you shortened it up
like Cam Johnson. I'm like, yeah, I'm thinking okay, And the
whole time I did, I'm not to go back and listen, I thought,
don't worry about post. As long as you post the one about the
UH, you can post that chick. So you know what I'm saying.
You want to post comments, you know what I'm saying, as long as
you post the ones about standing remote. Anyways, anyways, let's get to
some basketball, man. So now you move around to our Shaking the shoot
around where we talk about news and rumors and stuff going on around in the
n b a UH our first recap of the season. UH. Last week
we discussed Andre Ingendala becoming the first Battle Hall of Famer. Y'all said no,
I said yes, and his comparison to Kawhi Leonard, and then we
went into a conversation about Hall of Famers and finding out surprisingly players like Robert
big Shot rob Or is not in the Hall of Fame. And I posed
a question, in your opinion, who does not deserve to be in the
Hall of Fame. I'm gonna go ahead and start this thing off because I
brought it back and as a recap, and I already got some people.
I'm slowly disgusted with Bloody Diva. Why did a great career? Right?
Let me championships? He played with the Lakers. He probably has how many
championships? Okay, but let me ask you this then before we go any
further this conversation. Charles Barkley is a Hall of Famer, right, that's
different? No, not why Charles Barkley is a Hall of Famer. But
he had all NBA teams, all all star teams like he had what small
star seasons? Go ahead, look at it. You look at it right
now. Blod Deva was fifth man at best on your team, Bloody de
Vac, Do you not remember Bloty was he was? He was an originator
of the passing bigs. You're you're thinking about Bloody at the end of his
career, about Bloody from the beginning to the end. You're talking about him
when he was in Sacramento. You forget about the talking about when he was
in Lakers. You forget about the Sacramento days. What about him him?
Do you not remember him and Chris Webber. And speaking of Chris Webber,
he's on that list too. Why iss Robert Weber here? Why is Chris
Weber here? Why here? I'm trying to question your fan. I'll say
this. I'll say this. I when you look at Vlotti's stats, Zeke
isn't completely wrong. Vlotti did not win any championships in his career. His
stats were very mediocre at best. I mean, well, heats per game,
points per game eight point five, how many rebounds six? So I'm
just gonna go through the top two eight point five, six point two his
first year with the Lakers, eleven point two, eight point one, eleven
point three, six point nine, twelve point eight, eight point nine,
fourteen. Well, eh so I think this is this could be literally one
of those toss ups because fifty percent of his career he averaged a double up
hold on take away average. What is what are his accomplishments. I'm talking
about NBA All Star Games, I'm talking about NBA All Team I'm talking about
uh, I don't even know if he makes top seventy five. Why why
is he in the Hall of Fame? Well, you have to remember the
sad Tony Cook coach being there, I was gonna go down the list.
Let me hold second, Let me finish my list. I got a list,
Ben Wallace, let me finish my list. Can I go? And
I know he didn't average over six? Can I finish my list? Hold
on second, let me I'll answer you a question. You gotta remember,
though, bro, this is not the NBA Hall of Fame. We're just
judging their NBA. This is the NBA Hall of Fame. No, he's
a Hall of Famer, but it's the NBA doesn't own the hall of fame.
What do you mean the NBA does a Hall of fame. It's the
Basketball Hall of Fame's gardless the world Basketball Hall of Fame. Okay, hold
on, say it's a world thing. Come on, I get that.
I get that. Why is he in the Hall of fame? He's a
great European player, great European player, it's not just hold on second.
Did he get drafted to the NBA? Yes? Did he play overseas?
Because my thing is this, if we're if we're doing that, is we're
if we're because y'all trying to make excuses here because you're talking about well,
Lottie DIVI, did you know I'm not saying he should be there. I'm
not saying that at all. I'm saying, this is my list of players
who should not be there. And when i'm I'm starting off, your your
other thing. So why should he be there? He had a decent career.
Robert Orry didn't. No, Robert Order played for nineteen teams with six
should not be a Hall of Famer just because he's a big shot. You
are, and there's games with Robert Horrid didn't even play. Are you telling
me? Because so you're saying Lady Devis should be there and big Robert or
should neither should be there in my opinion. Okay, so uh now we're
finna get into you know we y'all, y'all done fighting for the bloody Diva.
You didn't fight for Bloody. You didn't see a big shot Rob.
Should big shot Rob in Hall of Fame? To you? He said,
no, no, he should not. I think he should. But you
also called it, what's that boy Andrea? No, no, no,
no, no no, what's that man that played for Memphis all those years?
I didn't say Mike Connelly should be Mike Conley And in the Utah Jazz
or something, and that I said. What I said was he was probably
one of the Yeah, yeah, I said that, And y'all just went
in on that because you're giving him top billing over John Morant. He gave
him top villing. There's a reason. There was context behind me just saying
there was There was context behind that. It was context me saying Cam Johnson
too. But it's yeah, you were wrong, that's the context exactly.
That's the point I'm making is this, like the whole the whole run back
was who are these people that should not be in the Hall of Fame?
When did you start becoming the root for the little guy? Because don't know
you are. No, I'm not rue for the little guy. I'm ruthe
for No, I'm rute for people besides Steph Curry, Lebron, James,
those are given. Those are no no no, no, no no no.
Because if I don't mention their names, then you like who if I
say, if I say Giannis, if I don't say three names, Jannis,
Lebron, James, Stu Curtin is who who are you talking about?
He ain't doing but you're talking about Lotti Diva. I didn't fight for blody,
I said, argument could. I watched a lot of basketball growing up,
watched and I've seen Blotti play. Had a very good career he had,
He had a decent career. He had a decent career as bad.
Don't mean you did anything that's over the top. You know what that means.
You know what that means. That means you were part of a You
are a a big part of a team. Now what that team did that
has a reflection on you. So when we talk about Robert or and him
being big shot rob he got that name for a reason. So the fact
that he's not in the Hall of Fame, I'm like, what was really
going on here? What made me go back to question? Like, hold
on second, dear, we talk about a four time champ, can't be
a Hall of Famer, no jiggy And then and then my thing is if
I say Draymond Green, oh were talking about this Hall of Fame automatically he
did. He's a two time defensive point. First of all, I don't
talk like that WOA. Anyway, The point I'm thinking it is, I
don't know what you got here when you're talking about him having like mediocre careers,
like, it's a lot of people who have mediocre careers that's in the
Hall of Fame. That's not in the Hall of Fame too. But again,
you guys have to remember, it's not just NBA, it's college.
I know, I get that, but he doesn't. I do get that.
I'm talking about NBA players who are in there. So when I'm not
saying that the Hall of Fame is strictly for the NBA, I get that
they have teams in here for the Hall of Fame. They have Tennessee A
and I team of fifty seven and fifty nine here has a Hall of Fame.
So I'm not just talking about NBA players. I'm just talking about the
Hall of Fame in general. Why is bloody he bt there? Okay,
you don't have agree, So give me, give me, give me a
player who should take his position. He was one of the first. He
was one of the first foreign players that came into the NBA. That's it.
He wasn't the first, he was the first. He had He averaged
almost a double double his entire career. Yeah, fifth and fifth, we
all be drunk. He played on arguably one of the greatest franchises well,
no arguing the greatest franchise ever, one of the greatest franchise. Yes,
he was a part. He was to the finals, lost to Mike of
course. Okay, and then he reinvented himself when he went to Sacramento.
No, seriously, when he yeah, yeah, hold on second, when
people traded him the sack, they thought that was the end of his career.
Come out. Now here's the thing, A little bit that I get
that did they win it? You have to also remember did they win it?
Listen, it's just another question. He's a gold medal winner. He's
a gold medal winner the Olympics. No, in the Olympics, right,
the Olympics, He's not I think he. I think he's from Kesey.
Where that man from? He's it on now, Terres, if you watch
it? Man, where are you from? Bro? I know you,
loyal Terrors? Where you Where are you from? Bro? My man?
Just text me Yugoslavia. They won the silver medal and the eighty eight Olympics.
He won a gold medal in nineteen ninety and two thousand two World Championships,
accompanied by a gold in eighty nine and ninety one in European championships.
He recorded more than thirteen thousand points, nine thousand rebounds, three thousand assists,
sixteen hundred block shots, twelve hundred steals. To Kesey's point, shout
out to Big T for hooking this up with this that hold up. To
Kesey's point, one of the best international European players to be brought into the
NBA. Bloody is absolutely a Hall of Famer over Robert or real Quick.
So first of all, I said that already, I said, thanks to
appreciate that. What do you do here? It's not what are you here?
So can I say this? Stop screaming? You're over Modu lady.
So the way you should ask the question is based on their NBA career?
Should they be in? What do you do here? Same thing? So
so no, so preface it did because you got America thinking that these people
shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame, but they should. So ask the
question differently based on their NBA career. Should they be in the Hall of
Fame? Based on the NBA career? Should they? Yes? Because he
did all that Olympics stuf. Who he did all that you know, all
that Olympic stuff. Do y'all have a player? Do you have a player?
No? No, no, no, Because this is my thing.
My list gonna get real controversial. That's okay, and I'm cool. We've
got time. My thing is this. Do y'all have a list? Do
y'all have a list? I'm asking y'all, do y'all have a listen?
This was your this was your concept of my concept. It was I brought
to the table. Who shouldn't be Go ahead, go down your list.
That's the only person you got. No, it's not who person I'm asking
y'all. Do y'all have to be fighting hard for Andre. I'm not fighting
hard for Andre. I'm just talking about people I didn't think you should be
on the list. Keep going. Who's the next person? Bloody, Tony
Coco, Tony Kuk again? No, I let Tony. Tony has to
ride because gotta ride, because because my listening to get real controversial. Already
it's co coach or out. He's on the border for me. Are you
already hate this list? Right? Grand Hill? That's controversial. That's not
controversial. I feel why he said that, But go ahead, and I'll
give my rational go ahead. Hill did play good. Some of the years
he did play, but he was injured a lot, so I think that
should be held against him at some point. Grant Hill is only in there
for his Duke days. That's it. Hey, he's only in there for
Duke. He's only in there for Duke Nbaker. If if he judge him
on the Nbaker, he wouldn't be there. I feel like I feel like
grand Hills should have, would have, could have. Like he one of
these guys. Man, if he didn't get injured, he'd be this and
that. He changed college game though, he could change the game and he
would just hate it because he went to Due. Christ is terrible me.
He not on this list, but shouldn't. He's done all in not in
the Hall of Fame. Hill is arguable, it's it's debatable, but if
I had a vote, he wouldn't give my vote for Hall of Fame?
Are you ready for the next one? Would Grant gets your vote for Hall
of Fame? Because these are zekes is saying no to all these people,
the people, so he's already voted. So now he's asking you, does
Grant he'll get your vote for Hall of Fame? Yes or no? No?
You ready? Because he's gonna say, yeah, go ahead, McGrady.
No. Now, Now, when you say, what has a player
done other than thirteen points in nine seconds and explosive dunks, what has he
done? And I stand by that, and I've said that in the four
year history of this podcast. Tracy McGrady, in my opinion, explosive,
but one of the most overrated. I'm not gonna say overrated, but people
give him a pass for everything other than excitement and being explosive. You can
almost compare his career to Green Hill because he was hurt a lot too,
a lot better than Grey Hills. He was hurt a lot too. He
was hurt, but not as much as Grand Hill. And go back and
look at Tracy McGrady. Kobe Bryant to tell you right now if he was
allowed to rushing peace to the Mamba, Tracy McGrady was one of the hardest
players he ever had to guard. No, Tracy McGrady, This is coming
from the Mamba's mouth. Tracy McGrady was one of the hardest players he ever
had to guards. He's sixteen playing the point guard position. Yes, no,
I say no, Look at stats up. I mean, Tracy McGrady.
Stats are incredible. And I tell you this right now, he has
a ring too. Wray McGrady. What's he on that team? Yeah,
but I'll tell you this though, that the year he scored like nineteen points
in like thirteen seconds, they win a championship. Y'all don't get hurt that
year. Remember y'all did something with his foot he can never got and that
after that, Tracey McGrady was never able to find that team that could get
him over the hump again. This would have been dope for one of our
live episodes to let audience members weigh in. Hey, because people, the
beauty in basketball is in the eye of the beholder. Like as much as
we talk sports man, we don't agree with a lot. I don't know
if y'all noticed that when it comes to basketball, we don't agree on I'm
not saying that that's bad. I'm just saying that we have very all of
us grew up on basketball in the world. Y'all obviously played basketball, that's
the world, but we have very different views of this sport. This was
a little controversial, I'll say though. Absolutely a Hall of famer, he
globalized the game of the n b A. He was actually other than Michael
Jordan. He was the first player to make the game. Here's my thing,
Here's my thing. I was going back and forth with this, Yes,
is he has he globalized the game? And then has he do we
got Chinese people coming in by the tons. Yes he does. But at
the end of the Killer Killer, y'all was a killer or was he an
international superstar? Y'all was was in so he did. If y'all didn't have
those foot problems, he was unguardable. But he did. He was here,
but he did, but he did. He changed the game, man,
So you're saying, yeah, he changed. He changed a part of
the game because I know where Drake coming from changed. This is coming from
a business. Ac change a part of the game is coming from a business.
You also got to like. But like you like he said, you
know where you were coming from. Like he said before, it's not just
about n b A. Y'all mean changed going back, I get it for
an international business perspective, I get that. I'm saying. I'm saying y'all
mean wasn't dominant as he could have should have been. Bro y'all mean played
two, four, six, eight ten seasons and average nearly a double double,
every single spent double double. I'm not to give it to you.
His first year he averaged thirteen and nine, arranged thirteen and nine, seventeen
and nine. You can't do that. Eighteen and nine, listen, eighteen
and nine, I don't appreciate that. Twenty to ten, twenty five and
ten, twenty two and ten, twenty and ten. Come on, bro
right, come on, bro, y'all mean changing. And even when he
got hurt in that ten eleven year, he still put up ten points eight
assists a game and only played average eighteen minutes. Okay, you ready for
the next one? Your disrespect to foreign players? Are you ready for the
next one? Yes? Just tell me this though. Yes, is there
a generally lamb without y'all in his career. I'm not saying here to open
the gates. Yeah, I'm not saying the game. He opened up a
new gateway for people from trying to come over. In fact, our NBA
didn't start allowing international All Star voting until y'all Meen came into the league.
That's how he became an All Star for China. Yeah. Yeah, yes,
he would have been All Star regardless because he was Remember they were booking.
Was it No, I thought it was, y'all. It would take
somebody like you to be disrespectful to someone who has contributed to the game.
Respects us. Are you ready for the next one? Yes? Yes,
did Kim Dumbo? Mhmm? Did Kimb Dumbo? Mhm? What did you
say? What do you have to say it? Then that voice? I
just wanted to know, did you have any problem with this? So remember
last week you told me that was a terrible that way spot on? That
is that is spinal I might would be in my movie that is spot On?
Uh is the I get? That's good? B I k E m
b E is m U t o m b o. So the other part
you have to remember is I don't know and I need to research a little
more. Does the n b A take in I would think they do,
and they take into consideration their humanitarians. So here's the same question. Yes,
I know what you say. I'm gonna answer your question. I think
the NBA consideration all their totality, even after their career. I think that
why brother, y'all think so or not? Y'all meano like guys like that.
I'm just using example that their after career after basketball career system on the
plateau of so listen to there is a listen to this. You're ready.
Eight time NBA All Star, three time All Defensive First Team first Team or
winner first Team. Listen. Three time All Defensive second Team, four time
Defensive Player of the Year. In fact, he won it three years in
a row. I'm sorry he won it ninety five, ninety seven, ninety
eight, two thousand and one. Okay. Two time NBA rebounding leader,
three time NBA block shot leader, first team All Big East, second Team
All Big East, two time Big East Defensive Player of the Year. The
Ken bads a Hall of Famer bro on top of physic Hall of Famer,
on top of I know, but Hall of Famer, his humanitarians stuff,
Hall of Famer, Yes, hands down. Uh, you're ready for my
next question. Controversial, Let's go Tim Hardawa. Uh. See that that's
one that I'm not so sure about. Tim Hardaway Senior is a Hall of
Famer. Why Timmy hit him with the Timmy mm hmm. Timmy brought that
in the league push, He changed the game. He's a game changer.
Off of that, do I think about that? It was cool until we
see all ion because he was he was quicker, and he learned. Everybody
learned it from Timmy. I'm saying, I look, first of all,
Tim and Hardaway, and I said, they said they did. There's two
different ways. But my thing is Tim Hardaway, what did he do?
See? I know where you're coming from, and I get it. We
grew up on these Negroes. I get it. We grew up on that
because they are they not African Americans, I said, Negroes. So so
you hit them with the Timmy, why you get to the lane? I
am saying, what did he do? Five time NBA All Stars, Okay,
All NBA First Team, one one time All NBA Second Team, three
times NBA All Okay, w A c Player of the Year. College.
I want to brother college stuff. I want NBA I want I would like
to take NBA stas I can name. That's it. I can name ten
guards better than Tim Hardaway who don't do that. Don't do that. Dwayne
Wade is in the Hall of Fame though it don't matter. It's still name
ten guards. But you're talking about ten guards that didn't they get to the
Hall of Fame. Well, that would take some That'll take a little bit
of homework. But Tim Hardaway, if I had to vote, he's a
No, he's okay, I'll give you one that's not in the Hall of
Fame. I know what you're gonna say, but go ahead. Rod Strickland.
Ros Strickland is my man's like Rod Strickland is that business? Are you
arguing that he's a Hall of Famer. I'm not saying he's a Hall of
Famer. I'm just saying he's he's in the same to me, in the
same categories, in similar way. But I was why one in the Hall
of Fame? One is? But I wasn't going to say who are you
gonna say? I'm sorry, go ahead, but how many time you going
to rugby? I'm sorry. Chauncy Phillips, Oh no, no, No,
Chauncey is a champion. Chace is a champion. Choice is a champion.
He's not in the Hall of Fame. I know he should be.
I think I think he's not eligible yet. He should be. He should
be, But I'm just I don't know if he's way than them as eligible.
He had draft after them, right, No, when did Tim Hardaway
get into the Hall of Fame. He got into the Hall of Fame in
years. It had to be recent. He wasn't a Hall of Famer.
He was. He got in a Hall of Fame. It is recent.
I'll give twenty twenty two. I'll give you another old school player who Terry
Porter? Terry Wor should he played shadow to Clyde Drexler bro He should not
be all Terry Porter? Was that deal he was? I don't know.
If here's one to go back to Tracy McGrady. If Tracy McGrady is a
Hall of Famer, Sean Kit should be a Hall of Famer and he shouldn't
be exactly. I'll ask you one point. I'll give you another one that
should be a Hall of Famer. You tell me Sean Marion. Yeah,
so Sean Mary is very interesting. He same person. He's not a Hall
of Famer. But he's a little bit better than Iggy. But he's not
a Hall of Famer. He's ugly form. He's in the Phoenix Sun's Hall
of Fame. But do I think he should be in the Hall of Fame.
I think there's a case for him not to be in there. The
case for him I was the case not for him to be there. Give
me one reason why he shouldn't be. He ain't did nothing. He was
a good he was he was the third. He was the third fourth bass
player on your team at that Okay, am I line, he's hey,
both teams Dallas Phoenix, Dallas Phoenix, I mean, and Phoenix was stacked.
And to be honest with you, he made a good comparison. He's
iggy. He next place, but I got caliber. I got two more
one of them. Y'a don't know if y'all are gonna know his names.
I'm gonna save him lines on morning. Yeah, yeah, you kidding me.
So there's no need to look him up. Charlotte Hornets, look him?
Uh you you tripping hard? You show that's water. That's besides the
point. Look him up. Look about Brozzo morning. I don't want to
hear a stand. I don't want to hear that. I want to hear
his accomplishment. Not only is I want to hear his accomplishment. I get
it, double double might give that. Okay, NBA champion he won with
Shaq, didn't He came off the bench and gave him a much need to
push because Shaq wasn't great that year. I just want to put that out
there. Seven time NBA All Star, NBA All First Team, NBA All
Second Team, how many times? Once? Two time Defensive Player of the
Year, back to back NBA All Defensive First Team, two time NBA Blocks
Leader, All Rookie Team, the Citizenship Award number retired by the Miami Heat.
He was an All American for three straight years, two time First Team
Biggiees. But you don't want to hear high dominated in college? Alonzo morning
is ask your question? That's the question? Real quick interrupt today. So
let me ask you a question. If he didn't win the NBA Championship,
are you still putting them on the Hall of Fame? Absolutely? If he
didn't win the championship in the Hall of Fame, our fans are texting me
multiple ones saying, don't text Dre, hit the chat, text me,
hit up on the face tex, text me tell him tell hey, hey,
why are you loyal to this show? Ego? I don't need my
show on Instagram? Tell him a duel, Tom, Chris, you know
you want to go there? You know what I'm saying. Anyway, ever
comfort anyway what me? Anyways, don't boot Dre, Ego will hit the
show up the show. I'm a humble Are you ready for the next one?
Yeah? Are you ready for the next one? Tripping to everybody your
last one? Come on, Mitch Richmond lights out? Jeez, yes,
yes, how Mitch belongs there? You sure? Yeah? Chicken stats,
clicking stats, not even his stats. Accomplishments. I don't have those stats.
Onlybody accomplish all for like four or five years. I don't think you
made it. Twice led the league in three point percent of shooting them maybe
three or four years straight. So he's a lights off shooter. Every lights
off shooter shouldn't be a Hall of Famer. I know, really, I
was a champion NBA champion, Mitch, yeah, two thousand and two.
I wanted him with the Lakers, right, and the Lakers. No.
Two thousand and two had to be with Miami with Shaq. No, it
says Mitch Richmond. NBA series the best seven playoffs was between the Los Angeles
Lakers and the New Jersey next the Lakers all the Lakers, all right,
Mitch was on that team. So the Lakers. So these are some of
his stats you want to, I said, not accomplishment. Six time NBA
All Star, All Star, MVP, A ninety five, three time NBAS
All Second Team, Second two Thai NBA All Third Team, Rookie of the
Year, Rookie of the Year, All Rookie Team, All American in eighty
eight. All right, that's stop you over twenty thousand career points. I'm
not deaf. Are you doing? I know? Are you doing? NBA?
You're NBA stats, NBA twenty thousand NBA career points. That's not accomplishment
for thirty eight hundred rebounds. You don't even got one. So clearly it's
a hard accomplishment than you can attack. Oh my god, I promise y'all,
we really do love each other on this show. This is all for
TV, so please don't take this. It's a Hall of famer. Like
I said before, so who would. But my question is who do you
replace these players with? If I, like I said, so like who?
I don't have a list of players my hope under this conversation. The
conversation was medalist. The whole point of this conversation was team he wasn't he
was on the redeemed team. Mitch. No, I don't know that Mitch
has a gold medal. You're just saying stuffs dropped I didn't see that under
his career status stuff. My thing is as far as hall of Fame as
my as my my point is always like we should really think about who needs
to be in the Hall of Fame and what the category who should be who
should be in the Hall of Fame? What categories put you in the Hall
of fame. I know a couple of play I know, I know some
pleasure should be in the Hall of Fame. And that's what I'm saying.
You named, you just named. I ain't gonna lie that you named a
couple of people who should be in the Hall of Fame, and so the
fact that they're not, it's just like, why are these people in the
Hall of Fame? But I think and uh, honorable mention and Chris Webber
so like I feel like if Chris Rebber didn't have the scandal, he would
be You have to remember the scandal and then all start when you talk about
when talking about let's say, you say, let's say five oh fab five
scandal with the because remember that's just my one to get back remember man the
booster situation and they said he snitched on the booster Michigan took his jersey down.
They took Oh man, have you ever watched the Fat five? Check
out the fact had never seen it? Check out the Fat five. Chris
Webber couldn't even be included in it because of legal ramifications and stemming the problem.
Well, they they're better now, but they couldn't legally. He didn't
want to give he didn't want to give a statement. Well, he didn't
want to give a statement. But it's one of those things where he this
jersey back up there now, no, no, no, But they dogged
him. I'm sorry they you've never seen a Fab five? Oh you should
watch me. They doogged him in there. Many you were too kind to
him, Misty Jalen Row. So here's the thing about the Fab five situation.
I think it was very it was it was still uh, I don't
say early fresh. It was still fresh. So when you're talking to four
out of the I've seen I've seen the thirty for thirty on the Fat five,
that's what you're talking about. Remember that I don't remember that member must
be off today, but I just still retired when that I know he was
a commentator. He was still fresh though, So like when you came out
before he was he was a commentator, I'm saying thirty for thirty came out
when he was all retired. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Couple like
what I'm saying, I'm saying that from a from a standpoint that it's not
that fresh. But Chris Reber f the Fab five. I'm saying, if
you never talked to somebody about something like a very Let's say you and your
friend got into it and y'all never talked about it, but then somebody be
like, hey man, you still have to due. Man, I don't
messing do no more? Da da da? You just going in Or I
don't have nothing bad to say about him, but we just don't deal with
each other. That that too, But that says values are you what?
But my thing is my thing? Is The whole point of this conversation was
like the Hall of Fame, like we always like we always do, we
talking about the Hall of Fame? Who should be in there? Who shouldn't
be in there? Why is this person there? Why is this person isn't
in there? And I just feel like we should, like I said last
week, we should go over the list of people who who should not be
in the Hall of Fame. Who should be in a Hall of fame.
That's all my thing was. So let me just to close it and bring
us back. Yeah, because it's all started with your discussion of is Iggy
a Hall of Fame? You just prove that because all the players you name
Iggy shouldn't be in over none of them players except for maybe green Hill.
And who give me one player you think can replace at least one of those
players on your list. Give me two people you should they should be replaced.
I'm saying two people that can replace the people you said shouldn't be in
there. Oh so Iggy, I think he should place Vide and I think
I think that I'm trying to think of somebody else, because in order to
take those people out, you gotta have somebody you want to replace them with.
Right, I can take out I can. I can see myself taking
out either grand Hill, Trason McGrady and putting in Billips. I can see
that I wouldn't have I don't think it because I don't think you take away
from what Tracy McGrady or grand Hill did for the game, But to give
them a Hall of Fame, it's like to me, it's like when Mellow
talked about I don't even know NBA Championship. I got USA medals. Shut
up, shut up. One doesn't replace the other. I'm just saying you
say that, and people that don't have rings are in the Hall of Fame
that had great careers. I'm not saying you need a ring to have a
Hall of Fame. I just feel like eleven All Stars is more of a
popularity contest. So you talk about All Star games in particular, that's a
popularity thing. Okay, then I got a couple two more names for you,
and you tell me what you think. Mark Stamaya start not okay,
here's he will be just like he will be. He will be just because
we didn't that first ballance. What he did in China. What he did
in China was crazy. They have literally a statue out there of him.
What he did in China will put him in the Hall of Fame. This
crazy on Instagram too about the He's very much into social justice, so he
just did a big he went nuts. It wasn't received well, but he
was talking about the conflict with Gaza and Israel, and he made some very
controversial statements about like black lives matter. So he's very much into social justice.
But if he, if he stays overly political, he won't be in
there either. Kyrie won't be in there. I think, I think,
I think, think about it. Remember, the basketball world is very unforgiven.
Look at road. Yes, the professional sports world is very unforgiving.
I'll tell you another name, Rose, I'll tell you a Ray Lewis.
But wasn't that self defense? That's what they say. But he still shot
somebody and killed him. Wasn't it self defense and kill him? Was he
protecting himself? Did you shoot the money and kill him? He did?
But was him yes? Questions. There's a difference though, And I know
there's going He probably not in there because of his antics, saying would metal
world peace? I say, j O, Jermaine Man, he was supposed
to be in there, hidding me. Trash trash, I'm gonna say trash.
Trash is strong, Trash is strong, deserves being there. You want
me to tell you why, why why do you say trash? Give me
that reason why? First of all, I said, let me take back
the trash. That was an immediate reaction. I feel like Jermaine O'Neill didn't
live up to the hYP he got hurt. He was very injury and then
later on his grade he got hurt and then he just faded away. Yeah,
I would agree with that. Jermaine o'nill maybe had a I mean he
was he came out of high school phenomenal, maybe a solid. He had
maybe two good years, maybe two good years if that's the case. He
had five in Indiana two three. I said good years. He had five
the years of Indiana two three years. The reason he struggled at the beginning
of his career. Do you know why? He was eighteen and do you
know who they had run our tests? No? No, he was playing
behind Rashid Wallace Indiana. He was in Portland first. Oh, yeah,
he was in Portland first. I forgot about that. That's how bad it.
That's how he got his careers off to a slow start, you know,
because he was playing behind Rashid Wallace. I forgot he had played Beforeland
and he was in Indiana. Does he his first two or three seasons was
rough because he couldn't they could five minutes because Rashid was animal. Then yeah,
and jermaino now probably to get win one. You had about eight or
nine, it's a good season. He averaged ten. He averaged was it
twenty in ten? Could I finish? I'm no, no, because you
finished dance around. No, Drake could be dancing around helped me deal with
likeamn more because I've been like twenty and ten. No, it was fifteen
ten. Almost spit the stats out. I thought I was in India one
one O two nineteen and ten, O two oh three, twenty and ten,
zero three zero four, twenty and ten four five that's three, I
said, twenty and ten, four or five, twenty five and nine five
six, twenty and nine, six seven, nineteen and nine. And then
he started to decline as his age to Colin he had like seven or eight.
He had a couple of injury seasons, and then he was making a
comeback, and then he had the Malice in the Palace. Jermain was a
guy wan on my team. If somebody's coming at me that way, shout
out bodyguard. He has Listen, I'm gonna get I'm gonna get a smoky
Jackson. People say, well, they too, People say all them on
my team. People say what they want to say about the mountains, the
palace. I pay him. But the media, the media did that to
them nor I think conference. When that happened, the media shout out to
stack Jack and Dramaine O'Neill for having a team back because everybody they was coming
at our test like he was in the street. And that's not a word
I used, but man, they was jumping on that man like he stole
something from them. And I still blame that thumb, Ben Wallace. He
shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. I'm gonna tell you this should be.
Don't even blame bang. I don't even bang. I don't blame being.
I blame that fan through the first drink on top of Runner, because
remember Run, it was just a horror file and we have horror files all
the time, and so he laid down on the thing like Metal World Peace
would probably do because he's trying to bring his mental down, and nobody took
consideration to that. He's laying there and a whole beer cup slaps you in
the face while you're trying to come to your piece mode so you don't get
into a worser situation. That fan egged that on and made that worse than
what it was. And now those players are suffering because Jermaine O'Neil had a
pretty good career and probably would have finished out with a great career. Well,
remember they had to pay him his money back and decrease his suspension.
He took his stuff all the way to civil court. Yeah, so we're
just gonna move on. So hold' you know what's funny is yet that fans
are cool? Now? Yeah? It does, so moving on? Really
have you ever seen that one either? So moving on on on the malege
of the Palace. But I didn't know they was friends. Now they're tight.
He's the fan is in Divining, the fan is in the documentary.
The fattist shot the beer is all through the documentary. Should be in jail.
So moving on on the bill. On the Brian, uh yeah,
we just say we don't appreciate it. But on the Brian uh win win
win Hurst and who Collect the podcast, they discussed bringing back the US Versus
the World format back to the All Star game. Brian wind Tour said the
World would kick the US a but based off the twenty twenty three All Star
selections, what do you think who you think would win? And also what
do you think about them bringing back this format? Uh, I'll let you
gentlemen, Uh, I mean I like it. I don't know about kicking
the US as, but well, let me just go over the line is
real quick. Let me just let me just go over the LINEUS real quick.
But the US we got Steph Curry, Anthony Edwards, Lebron, James,
Jason Tatum, Kevin Durant for the For the world, we have Luca,
Shay, Giannis, Sa Bonus and Joker. But I don't know about
kicking the butt, but I think they were winning world. Do you really
think so? Yeah? Competitive, I don't know about competitive, because who's
gonna who's gonna hold staff? What you mean, who's gonna hold Steph's gonna
get stephs bucket? Steph is a bucket. You know what. Here's the
thing. Let's stay Steph gets thirty. Let's say Anthony Ever puts in twenty
KD. Who gonna hold KD? KD is a bucket? But you're talking
about these these guys are a bucket. But who's gonna stop the opposite end?
Okay? Well, first of all, who on the world other than
Joker is a bucket. Luca is a bucket, Shay is a bucket,
Giannis is a bucket. The only problem. The world has a bonus there
their buckets, but they gotta work a little hard for them. Buckets.
Worked hard for his buckets years, worked hard for worked hard for his buddys,
works hard for his buckets. But besides Giannis, all these guys can
get their own shot. Joker get his own shot. All five of the
US can too. Not on the defense, on the offensive end. Yes,
I'm saying, but you gotta go back and forth here. I think
the world can hold better defense. I think the world, I mean the
world is that is that the best US could have came up with. I'm
gonna say the US is old. I'm sorry. All those players are over
thirty in the US right now, right Jason five are yeah, three out
of five hour that's that's over sixty percent. O bro, so us you're
making my point. I'm just saying US is old. I wouldn't say that
they would kill him, right. This is based off the twenty twenty three
All Stars. This is last year All Star selection. I think it would
be a competitive game, but I think the world would win. But I
don't know about killing. And this is my thing. Embid is part of
the world. We don't even have a We don't even have a center.
But he's a he's a citizen. Now, Yes, we're talking about where
you're born at. That's why, that's why it's US bust the world where
you're born. I know that, but we're talking about where you're born at.
We're talking about the world versus the US. He was not born in
US. Citizen. We don't have a center. We don't who's our center?
Damn born born here? Davis? Who us? Davis? Jesus Christ
Anthony. Did you just argue with me that he was a power forward last
week? Center? He can play center. Don't do that, Dray,
y'all literally just no, we we didn't argue with you about what you said.
We argue with you saying that his natural position is the power forward.
He can play center, though I didn't. You didn't want to, You
didn't want a center, and y'all said you can't go ahead. That wasn't
he was arguing over. Go back to the conversation and listen. At least
it was I got a note. It was what does it say? It
was? Davis is a center. He's taking notes out of all ours.
He's always call you back, and he's a power forward, but he plays
center. That's fine. But he can't hold joke. That's facts. He
can't hold joke. Jokes can't hold him either, though I can hold him.
Hit him at his knee anyways, you gotta make one NBA game first.
Just tap him in his knee. I'm gonna take you like this,
man. It wouldn't it wouldn't. It don't have any knee injury. The
world wouldn't kill us. But I think they would win. I think they
were win. I think not not if we put the right lineup together.
Okay, okay, what's the lineup. What's the lineup for us? This
is the world lineup? This is the world line I'm sticking with this.
This is smooth. What is the US lineup for you? I'm gonna go
with Steph Curry. I'm gonna go with Devin Booker. I'm gonna go with
Katie. I'm gonna go with I gotta take Lebron out only because of age
and Lebron on these minute restrictions restrictions, since they said he was gonna be
on minute restrictions, but he needs to I'm just saying what I'm saying.
I'm gonna go with James Harden, hold his name, You're down one more
person? You keep KD. You said, Steph Devin Booker KD. James
Harden, who is your fifth? Yeah? And when you think about it,
most NBA is full of world players. Now yep, see, just
go ahead and say it. What to say Anthony Davis. I mean,
it's okay, just saying if you need a center, it has to be
Anthony Davis. No, I'm gonna go with MB because MB. Why bye
Anthony Davis is I can't have him B, You can't, Casey can't have
n B. Who you got Anthony Davis? So you're gonna keep this lineup
and then just have Anthony Davis who you replacing. I'm taking out tatim or
broad right, No, because I'm taking out Anthony Edwards. I just don't
feel confident enough in his abilities. Yet. He's good, no doubt,
he's gonna be really good. He's gonna be even better once he figure out
that mental part of the game. I saw a goofy stat somebody said he's
the next Michael Jordan. Did y'all see that saying that's the worst world street
But the thing is he hasn't found that mental part out yet, how to
take how to take over games? A winner? Yeah, how to be
a winner. He's good, but he doesn't know how to be a winner
yet. And he has a mentality where he wants to be a winner.
So it's coming. But right now he's not that he shouldn't be in that
lineup. Tatum can play the two, that's true. So this past Also
this past week, the Los Angeles Lakers lost to the Miami Heat in Miami.
In a post game, Lebron James was asked about his stinch in the
Miami Heat. With the Miami Heat, Lebron James is quoted as saying,
I think I would have been I I think I would still be at at
this level, no matter if I would have came to Miami or not.
Let's not let's not get it twisted. The four years I was there,
it was amazing. But as far as my career, my career was going
to be my career. As I pull up a video from town, if
he don't cool, you know because I pulled up this clip, h m
hm. So anyway, you're talking about Lebron, so we're talking about I'll
just take them on. So we talked about Lebron James in Miami. What
do you guys think of I guess I asked the question, dude, what
do you think as far as Lebron James and his stinch in Miami? And
do you think he would still be the player who he is today? Can
see I'm gonna give you the floor because my mind is simple. I'm gonna
let you go first today. I compared the Miami Heat years as his college
years. Had Lebron went to college, the Miami Heat would have been his
college years. I think playing next next to greatness brought greatness out of Lebron.
But don't get it twisted. Lebron still would have been the man without
going to Miami. Would he have had those championships? Probably not, because
he could get it done in Cleveland after being to the finals maybe three or
four times before he even went to Miami. So uh, bron career would
have been his career. Yes, titles arguably before keys it going. I
ran you, no, I'm gonna let you go on your rank, go
ahead, go ahead, go ahead, all right? Cool. Without Miami,
Lebron would not be Lebron. I think he would still be trying to
figure it out. I think he might have gotten one, but I really
don't think he would have gotten to the level he would have been because he
in Miami, he did learn how to be a champion. Brother, he
wants to admit it or not, it wasn't a Lebron James. Even Lebron
James had to lose that first year to become Lebron James. And it's not
like I think a lot of times we take we don't look at our failures
as being accomplishments. So his failure in Cleveland, his and then him winning
in Miami was was having him having the mentality to come back to Cleveland and
bring them the NBA champion or even going to Los Angeles Lakers and bringing them
a champion ship. So it's just I feel like those two things helped Lebron
become Lebron James, because it's not like because if the way he said is
like, if you know, like I was gonna get these championships regardless,
I was gonna get these m vps, regardless, you might have got them
m vps, you might even got you might have been scoring champion, but
I don't think you would have been the winner that you are without man and
I don't think Lebron is denying that. I just think people try to act
like he wouldn't have been that he still would have been an all time leading
scorer, said he probably would have been a defensive Player of the year.
The fact that he only has none, right, yes, none, it's
none that is atrocious. Take can Kesey answer verse hold on lake tape and
didn't let keys because you know, you don't know, you know you don't
like Stevens. I know you want to get Hm hyped up? Is that
correct? What the hell is wrong with you, Lebron? What the hell
is wrong with you? Let me tell y'all something, Lebron. James loses
in Boston when he goes to Miami. How does it happen? You got
James Dolan talking about making them a billionaire. That didn't work. You got
other teams looking at them. Kat Rowley rolled up and put rings on the
table. Do you want D's okay? Well, here's how you get him
now. Obviously I've broken the story about how he's gonna end up taking his
talents to South Beach. But make no mistake about it. Do y'all understand
the greatness of a hall of fame about the name of Dwayne Wade. He
was a great player, he was a great leader. Let's go back to
Lebron's rookie year. Lebron every press conference was d Wade looking right at it
was sitting right next to him. Why was that because mentally, despite the
greatness of Lebron James as a talent, mentally he was warped. He was
scared to shoot free throws. He was scared to really take the bull bottle
horn, give me the rock. I'm that dude, I'm that man.
Okay, so much so that even after they lost in the finals two Dallas,
when Jason Terry was guarding him in the post in the fourth water and
they'll get jameson ran JJ Barrey, Okay, Coleman. Stop by the way.
The bottom line is this. When that happened the following year All Star
weekend. And I've said this so many times, Lebron James got the ball
in his hands, the late great Kobe Bryant claps his hands, let's go
and defend them an exhibition All Star game to just having a good time.
And he threw the ball in the corner and it was a turnover and Mellow,
d Wade, Kobe, everybody descended on Lebron. What's the matter with
you? He was warped. He and Dad is why Shannon Sharp I haven't
given him the title lest go, because I got to take into account all
of those things before you started winning championship. And what I'm saying is that
he been going against Jordan and those brothers right with that kind of mentality before
he ever won a championship, he'd have never won one. They'd have shut
it down because they'd have snatched his heart. But because he got to Miami
and learn what it took to be a champion, he's been unstoppable since Casey.
Would you like to first off, Stephen, THEA is talking about some
stuff that is irrelevant. You sure because Boston and being a billion they had
nothing to do with what they were talking about. I don't even know why
he brought that part up. It was just talk. It was just talk
from a fool. Why you gotta be a fool? Stephen again? Talk
got to give Steven a a hard time? Oh god? But first off,
Lebron James would have been Lebron James whether he went to Miami Chicago.
The Lakers Toronto, San Antonio, the Clippers, the Bucks, or wherever
he landed. Lebron James would have been Lebron James. And we're gonna keep
that at that for that part. And people can say whatever they want to
say, But Lebron James could have went to any franchise that he wanted to
go to and he still would have been Lebron James. Most people, if
you send them to any other franchise and not guaranteed to be who they are.
And that's that's where Stephen as Phill failed to mention in his rant,
is Lebron James could have went any franchise and been who he wanted to be.
It doesn't matter where he went and got his first rings, that doesn't
matter. That's still what they mentioned from what Lebron said was I still would
have been me at the end of the day. Miami was great to me,
but I still would have been me. King James, he came in
the league King James, and he been to King James since he stepped foot
on the court twenty two seasons ago. And there's nobody else in the league
that could say they came in King James. Ain't gonna leave King James drop
the mic for what because he just spent nothing but facts. It spit off
back. It's not a fanspective. Tell me another player that came in.
Tell me any player that came in their first year and dominated all the way
through twenty two seasons. Tell me one real quick answer question. My thing
about that is this, Lebron is Lebron. Tell me one person that came
in year one with the pressure Lebron James had on him and sustained it for
twenty two seasons. My thing is this, Do you tell me one person
who came in year one answer a question? I heard your question? I
ca answer and sustain what they required of him for twenty two seasons. Appreciate
that. The thing about Lebron James and his tell me one person who came
in the list. You can't tell me one. Just say you can't tell
me one person. That's all I want to hear. You say, answer
it and stopped dancing around it. So like a battle aerna. So here's
the thing. There is there is no person in the NBA who's had the
pressure that Lebron jameson had. Is that what you want to hear? No,
I want you to. Yeah, there is a question because he asked
me, what kind of what one person came into the league with the kind
of pressure Lebron James's had. I said, no one, No one is
coming too the league with the kind of pressure Lebron James's had. But let
me, let's make this very clear. I thought I thought you would want
to take the Mike man for that. Let's just make this very clear.
His first ring wasn't in Cleveland. His first wing was in Miami. His
first two rings was in Miami. So don't sit here and tell me he
could have went to San Antonio. He could have went to Milwaukee. He
could know. He couldn't. No, he could he couldn't. No,
he couldn't. Lebron. You g m Lebron came from Miami. Hey,
I need this, this, and this to win a championship. Riley orchestrated
that team? Did he orchanestrate that team? Or did d Wade called the
call. Lebron was like, hey man, what you're trying to do?
Hey man, what you're trying to let this? He just since you said
this, there I'm going there. Okay. Put him in right That same
year with Kawhi Leonard, Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Greg Popovich.
Hold on second, you're right or not? Because he met with them too.
Are you ready? Are you ready for this? Yeah? Yeah,
they would have. That's why they did with Kawhi Leonard. What are you
talking about? Yeah, if you put if you put a Hall of Fame
coach, a Hall of Fame player, yeah, you put him in.
Hey, hey, Lebron, you want a championship, This is the easy
way to go about it. This is the easy way to go about it.
So say he could have went to Milwaukee, because Milwaukee this is before
Yiannis, this is before was Gianni's. Don't tell me he could have came
to Milwaukee and won the championship. You know why you can say? Hold
on? You know why you can say, look at Milwaukee that year.
What year was that, two thousand and what that they won the championship two
thousand and six? I think that was his rookie years and nobody knew was
gonna be honest. My point is Milwaukee. My point is there the reason
you can say the things you can say about Lebron because he came out of
Miami. No, we can say the things we can say about he came
out of Miami's because Lebron James. Your argument, your argument why he didn't
win in Cleveland because he was with a bunch of bombs. They were okay.
So if he's with a bunch of bombs before he went to Miami,
what makes you think it would have happened if he didn't go to Miami the
spur Because Lebron was a kid, he would have been a ball. He
would have been with a bunch of ball only reason he was the only reason
he went to Miami is because of Dwayne Wade was his homeboy. If Dwayne
Wade was already a winner, so so so Wi, Timem Dunkan and Kawhi
won the one winners. My point is, if you play so he goes
to say, you're going to go to State that year, No, they
don't win the championship. No, if he goes to the teams, he
can see the easy You can say that about Lebron because he came out in
Miami and he knew what it would took to win. Yes, yes,
yes, because he didn't win a championship his first three four years in the
league. For seven years in the league, and he went to the finals
twice. They went to the finals like four or five times, noot,
his first seven years. How many times you go to the finals twice and
he lost? He went to the finals four times his first seven years.
Okay, so he couldn't win it, right, Yeah, not hearing what
I'm saying. Before he went to Miami, what did he win? How
many times you go to the finals four years? Twice? Before Miami he
went to Miami. He went to the finals with Miami. Four years before
Miami, he went twice, lost to the Spurs, lost for just one.
I think it was both, might have been once. No, think
about the Cleveland years he went to the finals like four years. No,
I don't think it was that much, because before before Miami, we're talking
about his first seven years in the league like you like to talk about Jordan's
first He went to the finals at least three straight years in Cleveland. Yeah.
Two of those was after Drew Gooden with and okay and second second,
you're right with a bunch of bombs, right with a house with a bunch
of bombs. Right. He went to Miami. He went to Miami and
learned how to win. He only went to the finals once. So here's
what we're confusing. He went to the Eastern Conference finals and he lost to
Orlando, and he lost to Orlando and Boston. He went to the conference
finals one. He went to the NBA Finals one time with Cleveland. That
was in two thousands. And how many times you go to the Eastern Conference
five was like three, like three years streat It was like, okay,
So my point is this. My point is this, you can't The only
reason you can say Lebron can take can can can take can take a championship
team to the NBA finals. He did that after he went to Miami.
This is after he took a Cleveland full of bumps to the fire. He
couldn't win it, and why he league because he couldn't win it. Tell
me one team that can win. Tell me one player that went to the
finals and won it by themselves. So don't contradict yourself. Don't contradict your
I'm just saying because what you said was you said Lebron could go to any
team and be Lebron, and be Lebron, he would win a championship.
I just say win a championship. I said be Lebron. But the point
of the whole, the point of stephen A's ranch was if he didn't go
to Miami, he wouldn't have learned how to be a champion, That's what.
But my point is he could have went to a couple of other different
teams. It's still been a champions Okay, hold on, let's talk about
the Spurs already established champions. So was Miami Miami. I just won the
title with Wade a few years prior to the Lebron sideing Waite in Shaq,
But they won the title. Wait in shack? Did they win the championship?
Yeah? Okay, So when hold on second, when pat Roley dumped
those rings on his in front of Lebron, he didn't say, come to
Miami to win. He said I know how to win because he win.
He won once with the Lakers and other teams like that. But don't talk
about Lebron. James was a champion before he came to Miami, because he
wasn't. Nobody said nothing about that. What are you talking about? You're
talking about He could take any team and go to the NBA Finals and win
a championship. Wouldn't have took this Bucks team. He told me to look
up two thousands said he would have took this to It was the team that
year, Charlie Bell, Earl Boykins, Dan Gazaric, that's what that's when
Drake didn't have tickets. Michael Michael Ray was killing them and he was hurt
by then Charlie Villanova, Mo Williams, the same old that was in Cleveland.
It was so been there, done that. But if you take Lebron
and you put him on a team like the Lakers, all the teams he
met when you put him on the Dallas Mavericks with Jerk, you put him
in San Antonio with the Spurs, all the teams that Bron met with during
that original free agency would have been in the same boat as Miami was in.
Yes, I agree with that. That's what I'm saying. All of
all of the places that he probably would have went would have been in the
same boat as Miami would have, and which means Lebron would have still been
Lebron. So you do are you saying that he would have had the same
situation in New York he didn't meet with New York, or if Bron met
with New Jersey, New York, the Bulls and Derrick Rose dropped the ball
because Derek Rose in't return his car. He could have, he could have
he could have won with Derrick Rose. He met with the Clippers, could
have did it with the Clippers. I think he was just on a traveling
spree and he met with the Miami Heat. So thinking if he goes who
was in the Clipper that was Chris Paul and Blake Griffin. I just I
just feel like I just feel like Lebron could maybe should have answered that a
little bit better. Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, Eric Gordon, Lou Williams,
Eric Blets. Oh, they could have Baron Davis. Baron Davis would
had a title to have the sign Lebron, Cordy mcghetty, Elton Brand,
Matt Barnes, Yeah, they would, they would. Willie Williams Chicago Chicago
was a really good team, Ron Butler Chicago was a really good team.
They couldn't get over the Lebron. They couldn't go over well because Eric Rosen
return his call and Derek Rose wasn't trying to recruit. He shouldn't have.
If I can't even imagine that lineup with Lebron, James and Derreck rolls in
it. Well, Lebron's career would have been more tarnished because Derrick Rose would
have been hurt and Lebron wouldn't been. It'd have been a Cleveland situation.
But if Derek Row didn't have to do as much, he probably wouldn't have
got hurt. Lebron. He was in the same boat as Lebron. He
would have playing with a bunch of so so I'm gonna gonna keep calling the
scrubs. I'm gonna agree, I got to find a new word. I'm
gonna gree with keys to this point. Lebron and I'm gonna agree with you.
Lebron would have been Lebron the player on any team, but he wouldn't
have been a champion. I'll give you that. I would agree, except
that he would have been a championship on a couple of other teams too,
but probably the ones he met with, maybe the Clippers, maybe the clip
who the New York that year, because I think that was a year in
New York was stacked. Was that Carmelo's year? That was Carmelo and start
year? Man who did they have their guards? They might have had were
about to find out out Felton Felton. Uh. They had Carmelo, they
had Chauncey billupsh, you had Wilson, Chandler, Belton, Danello, Gallinari
in his prime was a ball of the Yeah. They had a Mari Starmar
toward the end of his career. They had Tony Douglass, they had they
had a decent roster that could have made some noise. But here's a problem
I think, and this is just me, I think in their prime,
Mello and Lebron together would have been a lot worse than Wade and Lebron together.
I don't. I don't think Carmelo and Lebron in their prime would have
metched well together because the game, except for Lebron, plays defense the same
type of game. One doesn't make anyone better around him. He doesn't in
terms of I'm gonna take you like this, like this with an elite shooter
like Carmelo was at that point. Imagine being able to kick the ball out
to a mellow. Yeah, but you also got a Mario sorry slashing,
and you got a Chuncey billups up top, and you gotta back up defensive
guard like way mom felt. So you're said he could have did it with
New York too. There's a possibility he could have done something decent with New
York. It wasn't. No, the people you're talking about is not no
scrubs not. I just don't think that Rosson. Nobody that he played with
stayed in Cleveland after he left, well and they were a lottery well and
they were a lottery team. They stayed. They were a lottery team every
year until he came back. Let's not forget that. Yeah, it's very
true. Even with Kyrie Irvin coming in, they still were lottery They had
three number one draft picks. My point was, don't even bring that name.
And my point is that, like I said before, without Miami,
Lebron James not winning. He's just a great, but he just want to
be a champion. He's not a winner. So when is a winner.
He had winning seasons, he's not a champion. You don't say that there's
a possibility he wouldn't be an NBA champion. I don't care what you're doing.
What are you doing when this playoff time, when this goal time?
What are you doing? And you notice what it is like Kobe Bryant,
Kobe Bryant chasing Michael. It wasn't a coincidence. It wasn't a coincidence.
And Lebron muches he want to shake it off and not play it. He's
chasing Mike too. But whatever, you chas hi Mike for a reason because
he's a winner, but a fifth, y'all be you're right, And that's
this whole conversa. That's this whole conversation. And at the end of the
day, regardless of what anybody say, there we go. Lebron James would
have been Lebron chains as he said, he wouldn't have been no champion next
week. It wasn't nothing about his comments said, I would have been an
NBA champion, regardless of where said. My career would have been my career.
My career would have been my career. It would have been his career.
Make you question, Let me ask the question question, No, I
want you to hold off me ask the question, I want you to hold
off Dre Yes, take away the two championship from Miami. Let's say Lebron
has the championship in Cleveland. Let's say he has one in the Los Angeles
Lakers. Is you are you still considering him one of the second best player
of all time? Yes, one title? No, no or no?
Okay, who would be better than Kobe? Kobe Magic? I'm just giving
you names if it was just one type. Kobe, before Lebron changed even
won a title in Miami, was already considered the number two. What was
his think about it that in that Bay had that debate had already started before
he even went to Miami, calling him the next and they they predicted before
Lebron start joining teams, they predicted him being the greatest ever. Now hold
on second, to stop right there? What was the thing that with Lebron
James will always hear You know, Lebron James, you're one of the greatest
players, almost a step on the floor, but you can't win a championship?
So what's up with that? And he didn't have an answer, So
Miami shut everybody up. Miami shut everybody up. When he won the title.
Was his first compress conference. You remember what he said? What did
he say? It's about time? But my so my question for you keys
again, without the Miami championships, you're looking at one maybe two. So
people can shut up. That's what it was all about. What you mean
to shut up, shut up, so like they were the only thing that
people can hold over lebron head was the championship. That was not another thing.
There was nothing else on the planet that that dude couldn't do. People
didn't have that people could hold over his head too passive. People said he
was too passive. People said, uh, he wasn't clutch. I'm not
I'm not agreeing with it. I'm just telling you what people were saying.
Even when he won the title, he wasn't clutch. Uh he was.
People passed the ball out, uh, and and and just saying it like
the like they're wrong. I always thought Lebron was clutched. I made a
lot of clutch shots. People. Fella realizes everybody's not a selfish person,
and everybody doesn't have to be selfish to be a great player. Everybody know
Jordan was selfish. That's why he was as good as he was. And
everybody's not a selfish player. And Kobe Bryant had that same mentality. That's
selfish. Because I'm the man up into into to correctly say what Lebron said,
You ain't right. I was still will be the same dominant player.
I'm chosen, ain't nothing changing that maybe less rings, but dominant from start
to finish. I take that I said what he said was correct. I
don't know why everybody took what he said and ran with it like he said,
were the media steven a side of the media. I agreed one hundred
and fifty with everything. Y'all both say, y'all have some very compelling arguments
here. But I think because of people are afraid of greatness. People are
afraid of people surpassing their greatness because you know what, greats don't comment on
what other greats are doing. When you think about the presidency right up until
Trump, presidents never in their never criticized other presidents into their first year.
President George W. Bush never criticized Rock Obama, not once. Bill Clinton
never criticized George W. Bush when he was in office in that first term,
not once. Obama didn't even criticize Trump in that first year, not
once. When people start seeing that Lebron was close to surpassing Jordan in the
argument, then people start talking even Michael. Michael never ever talked about people
surpassing him until Lebron got in the conversation. Never why, because we are
protective of our favorite legacies, goats, our protectives, and let's be honest
with you. Let's be honest with it. If Lebron had six titles,
we wouldn't even be talking about. If he's greater than Mike, we wouldn't
even be talking about. And I'm a Michael Jordan guying about that. You're
right, You're right. My thing about that is you're right because what if,
if anything, those six rings mean something. We haven't seen something like
that since I don't know Bill Russell. So when you say I got six
and then well, I gotta check I got I want to be better than
him, so I gotta I'm chasing him. I mean, Chase Kobe was
chasing him for a reason, so Lebron to be like, well, I'm
I'm one of the greatest players they But you ain't got no rings. I
don't care how dominant you've been, you haven't had no rings. I mean,
you can't close the door. I mean, you can't get what these
other players have done. But there's so many other players that got more rings
than Jordan's. There aren't in that that aren't and you are. And that's
what that's what bothers me is because because you Russell has how many rings?
Eleven? And he's still not in that category of God depends, Nobody,
depends what you're talking to. Nobody depends, nobody. Nobody depends on who
you're talking to. Steven A is around our age. He watched Jordan play
somebody who's older than Stephen ag would be like, well, did you see
Bill Russell Blain? We'd be like, no, we didn't have black and
white TVs back then, so nobody. I don't care who you put on
the mic. Nobody who who watched Jordan's and watch Bill Russell is going to
say Bill Russell was a better player than Michael Jordan because I don't care what
you say, because I don't care how you put it, how many rings
he has. He's not in a goat conversation because he's not a not even
in the top ten people. Time I tell about don't don't, don't do
that. He scored one hundred points and they still don't put him in the
go But that's that's good to I mean, Will Tam you know what I
meant to say, but you don't want to go out on it. Will
Chamberlin scored one hundred points in a game and he's still not in the Gold
conversations one hundred points and women when you talk about when you talk about you
need jezs you. But I'm just about real quick this. This is the
third week in the well Drake. He was on a wow streak. He
was on a Wow streak last week it was the Wee This week, wil
Chamber you're a wow streak. You're on a Wow streak. That's the ice
mountain over there, exactly. He talking about a three know wow, you
know wow. Anyway, it's the point I'm making this, his making this
when you're talking about uh, and then you're right, we did UH to
the back because because he wan. So my thing is as far as like
Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Uh, Magic Johnson, Bill Uh, Larry
Bird, like when you talk about these guys who Lebron James and Michael Jordan
are probably better than I think that it depends on who you're talking to.
But that's hold on. But the loudest mouths are don't have the driver.
Michael Jordan Nay conversation. The eighties, nobody touched the finals outside of Boston
in l A And nobody talks about that don't forget Jordan came in at eighty
four, but eighty four, eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven,
eighty eight, eighty nine, he didn't touch the finals because of bird and
magic. But nobody's saying putting them in a gold category because Lebron. I
mean, because, like he said, because people are so stuck on who
their favorite is automatically and they're stuck in their ways of who they think is
their favorite, like stephen A. But they're so stubborn. Nobody ever came
along and they wanted to put a real battle of goat until Lebron James touched
the court. Hold on time because nobody, every nobody, You can't even
tell me one person was even challenging Michael Jordan's because you know why do you
know why though, because anybody prophesied and then not to even mention, don't
even forget how the Detroit Pistons used to put their foot in his neck for
six straight years and when hold On second, I'm just saying, I'm just
saying, and they literally put their foot in his neck. Yeah, you're
right. Hold That's what I said though, when Michael hold On, when
Michael Jordan figured it out. You couldn't stop him. But if that's the
port, took time to figure it out though, right, Yeah, okay,
So then while Lebron is not entire out because Lebron has been challenged and
he's failed. Talking about Michael seven years this record, let me finish this
record in the finals, proudly six and zero. What's Lebron's record in the
finals? Let me but think about what you say, that's the point.
But think about what you said the first seven the first seven years, he
didn't even touch the finals. Okay, Lebron touched the fighting when his first
seven Okay, he got a taste. It failed with some scrubs, it
failed, some scrubs, it failed. No, the scrubs failed him or
did he fail because Jordan didn't refused to let them fail him. Well,
I'm gonna tell you like this, what are you talking about here? Yeah,
Jordan got his rings when when Isaiah Thomas was older, when Larry Borrow
was old, when when magic in them got older? Because in the eighties,
And let me finish before you know, because you're wrong what magic?
He beat magic in the finals to get the title. He beat Isaiah Thomas
in the conference finals and can I finish saying what I was? Say?
What you're gonna say? Yeah, you've been talking for twenty minutes. I
was on your team. I said what I said. You know, through
my whole thing off I'm doing all because he didn't interrupt at all, taste
on me. But talking about Jordan's getting it done in seven years and Lebron
having I'm just saying before those set it took him seven years. Them players
had already put on some years on their miles on their body before that Jordan
reached the year seven. Right, they have been in the league. How
many years before Jordan? A couple? Several? Several years? Right,
several Jordan's eighty four Magic was what eighty one? Three? No? Seven,
seventy nine? Right? No years? Bird and Magic were like seventy
nine eighty years Bird and Magic. Either way it goes because he first one
was ninety one, Championship was ninety one, ninety one, eighty four,
eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight, eighty nine,
ninety seventy nine was magic, Yeah, seventy one, Yeah, what years?
Murd oh, I would probably say seventy eight. Oh, because he
Bird played so Jordan didn't get his first wing until Magic was in year twelve
of his career. Dave Jordan didn't get a ring until Magic was in year
twelve his career, right because they owned his ass until then. That's what
I'm saying. So I think the other part of this is before Lebron,
tell me at the Hond before you go on, tell me at the Magic
and Bird, tell me anybody else you could talk about that was in the
category of them with Jordan. So two things, two things I want.
After the nineties started nineteen ninety, tell me one person who was in the
category with Jordan, Bird and Pagic. For those of y'all that are still
listening on the podcast and TV, we thank you, but because this is
a little longer episode. But the reason that they're also hard on Lebron because
you have to remember, up until Bron, every player christened the next Michael
Jordan did what failed? Yeah? True? Hell, Tracy McGrady, who
else did they call? What's that boy from Miami? They were calling him
the next Michael. Uh, Harold Minor. They were calling Harrol Miner the
next No, because he was supposedly an explosive guard. So what I'm saying
is Lebron was the first player that had to Actually, he came close to
Michael in terms of popularity, in terms of changing the game, in terms
of being the all around best. But the other part we have to remember
is Lebron is now in a big time social media world. There was no
social media world in Michael Jordan's era. The second thing, as Jim Rome,
why Michael Jordan won't talk to him? That's the dude from the Chicago
Tribune. Why Michael Jordan don't talk to him? Okay, Lebron can't do
that. Lebron to do that today? Get fine? You know, yeah,
you know why they don't talk about Jordan because Jordan refused to give them
another interview if they said another bad word about him in the newspaper. That's
what happened. It's the truth. That is the truth. I just know
that it's been the Jordan fan spit that out. She said Lebron didn't have
a fair chance to figure it out. Jordan did because of social media.
You said it in US, so like I said in US, like I
said before, right, did Lebron have a fair chance of figuring it out?
Yeah? No? Hold on the second time, about when you go
to the NBA finals. Jordan went to college. When you go to the
NBA, remember who Jordan played for when you go to the NBA Finals and
who was the coach, Dean Smith. Dean he got to play under a
Hall of fameer coach. So, like I said, freshman year and Phil
Jackson, nobody told Lebrian to come out early. The point I'm making is
this, uh college. So my thing is this, I told you Miami
was his college years. To me, my thing is this you talk about
when you talk about unfair. That sounds like some rich Paul talk. No
one told you to come out when you wanted to come out. You wanted
to do that because your circumstances or whatever the case may be. We're talking
about what happened. The facts of the fact of the matter is fact.
The facts of the matter is Lebron James made it to the NBA Finals.
Once you show us you can make it to the NBA Finals and you lose,
we have the right to cons curiosize you, especially when your next coming
to Jesus. So when you said, well, I brought a bunch of
scrubs, they didn't. They didn't come up to the well, you brought
them here, take them to glory. Don't don't bring them to the altar
and walk away. Bring them all the way to glory. And it is
a little bit, but that's a whole another subject for another day. When
you talk about Jordan George the six and on the finals Lebron Jamess four and
nine and y'all six, four and six, and y'all talk about, well
least he made it with that on the Mamba to Mama, took some scrubs
to the final and they lost. But he has five and he was chasing
Jordan's. He has five with the most dominant big man ever in n b
A history. Yes, three three three, because he has three and he
has two more with Paul Gas, who was the top big man of that.
I'm so sick of him. Man, don't do that. Don't do
that, bro. What Paul first at the end of his career. We
gotta get to the up, we gotta get to the buck, because this
would be this would be exactly dealing with me. You know, you're acting
like Kobe didn't have an easy pathway to the finals. What shack he did?
Definitely a shaq bro, Shaq right, no shock he's three wins.
What happened? Kobe was like, hey, is he the shack because the
player? Hey, you see the me of shack. They showed him and
he was like, well, I can do this without shock and he did
it twice with with with a superstar in Paul Gaso, one of the superstar
probably one team best big man from European basketball here a long, he's a
Hall of famer. Paula was have you see what he was doing in Memphis
before he got there? You know, would have been without Kobe, his
brother, and you act like his brother was a scrub. I didn't say
his brother a scrub. I said he would have been his brother when his
brother in the championship. Thank you. When he went to Toronto, that's
when he won a championship. Don't like Paul Gassaw was out here doing it
by hisself. He was killing in Memphis his brother without Kobe and his brother.
I'm saying is people are giving Kobe a pass, but we forget that
Kobe, let me finish. Kobe demanded the trade when they were losing after
Shaq left. He demanded the trade and Jenny Bus said, I'm not trading
you make it happen, and and the NBA handed him a saw. They
traded him for his Ricky brother, they handed Kobe and Paul Gasol was a
walking double double every year he was with the Lakers. And they brought in
the young Andrew buying them, and they had big Shot Worry, and they
had a young Rick Fox, and they had a young Derek Fisher. Rick
Fox was a buck. He's nice category was like shouldn't he should not show
me he wasn't. The Buck's in that same category would like shot you know
what? You don't do some Bucks talk. We'll get about it here this
long episode. There's a lot of buckets that should be Hall of famers.
Anyways, Bucks talk, uh with our Damien little Bucks are now owing to
lost to Indiana Orlando Magic. Should this team be better constructed? Are we
should we be looking? It seems to be better coached. I don't see
a whole lot of coaching going on. I've been to three or four games,
and I've watched two or three. I'm glad you brought that up.
I don't see a lot of coaching. I'm glad you brought that up.
I just want to real quick because I feel like we have to be patient.
It's not time to hit the panic button. But once again, Giannis
is being lebron Yiannis scored fifty six points the other night and he still lost.
Why did he have to play so hard? Because Middleton didn't either play,
he didn't show up. He played, Dame didn't play. And if
that's going to be this season, that championship or bust, we might have
to rethink that. I'm just gonna put this out here real quick. But
first season, first season with the Bucks, we won sixty games, sixty
to twenty two. We didn't win a championship that year, but it was
promised there. Second year, we was fifty six and seventeen. We didn't
win a championship that year, but I get it. The second year we
were I mean, oh sorry. The third year he was forty six and
twenty sixth this year we won a championship. So my thing is but always
showed us. Last comment auga saw was taking his team to the playoffs every
year with Scross, who said this slaughter slaughter, Hey guess what it was.
It was his brother. He would have been his brother with alt Kobe
you add him. I still I still, I still stink bout that.
But my thing is I did watch Memphis back then. I ain't paying attention
to him. Why nobody did? I would only one. I wasn't only
one, I know, but I'm not gonna feel there, you know.
But my thing is this, I think is this? I think? Is
this how because KESI, we're gonna stick by your twenty twenty five games.
We we we stick by that to make your our prediction to see what the
bucks are at. I'm just saying going along with the coach, with the
coach theory. When when Terry Stout left, I don't know, man,
I just feel like he out there. He not really coaching, He just
throwing some stuff out there. Okay, y'all, guard you you're the best
player on our team. Guard the best player on a team. Uh,
we don't have Dame put in this this line and see what they do.
I don't know. I don't know, but all I know is maybe we
shouldn't threw away Bud so real quickly. Yeah, no, for real,
real talk. I told y'all from the beginning, maybe do we did a
better bench? I wasn't in I didn't really like the higher griff. I
thought that because giannice is at the point of his career where you need a
season coach, you need someone that knows the game. Then you're bringing in
Dame the one the thing, and I'm not worried. But what concerns me
is last season the Bucks were fourth defensively. Now we're twenty four only in
games eight were in game ten. I'm just saying, that's that came out
before game ten, that's that came out after like game five, maybe six.
Much much hasn't changed, but it is not getting any better. But
Boston has got the same point guard and then in the same boat as us.
As far as wins and losses, No they're not. They lost two
games, Boston seventy ten. Hey, here's another interest. Oh they just
lost another game. They just lost another game. Okay, no, they
won the game, they lost another one. So here's the thing. Though
they lost too. Drew Holiday, I still don't see that it fits well
over there for him because his numbers. Have y'all seen his numbers. He
don't have to though. That's the point, Like, Drew, you over
here for defensive assignments, I'm gonna score thirty. Jaylen Brown, Jalen Brown,
he's a twenty fifth time in his career. That's not what he wants
to do right now, starts seventy. That's why I figured they lost two
games real quick. Philadelphia only lost one game. It was to us,
and uh we barely beat him. I just wanna put that out there there
last so so we're still above five hundred. We are still a coach and
a new superstar and again and I get it, Slaughter, I feel a
comment coming in the back of my eight I get it. Miami started off
slow, the Lakers, I get it. Don't sit here and act like
you're not worried. Now, I gotta seek it directly to you. I
like, we're not worried. He's a Chicago fan. He's what Okay,
we should have been stopped talking him a long time ago. Slaughter, your
your band from your band for at least two weeks. You're a Chicago fan.
All right, let's wrap it up. We've been taking your you know,
would be hitting the panic button right now, the Clippers. We'll talk
about that next week. But this has been another episode of ninety four Fee
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