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do. I want to show off
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here we are. What's up with? The lighting is off? There?

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We go that it needs to be
bright because it's too dark. Welcome

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time for Jay and Jamie movie show. We haven't done this in a long

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time because we were on the cusp
of mad love and I had to break

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Jamie out of the mental institute and
we went on a cross country adventure.

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We had a car wreck, just
kidding, none of that happened. I

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did wear my hair full frizz with
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is it now, it's freaking fabio, It's pirate or fabio full Fabio love.

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We have achieved full Fabio anyway,
you look all serious. You don't

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like Fabia. I was just mas
Maris, Yes, exactly. Let's go

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over this a little bit. I'm
in too much of the screen. Turn

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here, there you go. All
right. So Jamie's wearing her Sublime T

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shirt because that's the closest to gen
X that she had. I think that

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counts. It's definitely an older Brother's
band, yeah, right, because there's

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like the boomers birth both the gen
X and the Millennials. So yeah,

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eighties and nineties count for that.
Yeah, and the Older Brother's band sounds

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like a boomer Southern rock band,
right. Yeah, it's like they were

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a lesser known opener for the Doobie
Brothers that never made it. Yeah,

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the Older Brothers definitely. They sang
about old rivers and weed. They like

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the DeBie Brothers. But like gen
X is like Nirvana, who else for

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sure? Pretty much Chryl Crow eighties
and nineties. Yeah, they all count

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as gen X. And certain actors
and actresses make the cut as essence of

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gen X. And I would say
we're talking about John Depp, We're talking

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about Ethan Hawk, We're talking to
Uma Thurman, We're talking with a rider,

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all essence of gen X, Ben
Stiller, Right, what is that?

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I just dieate in your arms tonight. That's that's a gen X.

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I guess anything for ladies, and
isn't it. Don't be looking at the

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chat. They're talking about your beautiful
hair. Of course there are else you

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thought that else will talk about.
He said that you take what that sounds

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like? That sounds like some freaking
boomer products. It's the best Canteen hair

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product onto some damn panting and panting. Yeah, Molly Ringwald's essence of gen

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X to yeah, who else?
Yes, she is all the all the

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brat pack elis is he in any
of these? No the brat pack?

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Yeah. So, because we're not
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al dramedies, right, yeah,
don't you remember what we did?

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Yeah? I remember Chasing Amy,
Mad Love, Empire Records before Sunrise,

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Reality Bites, that's so good,
and Beautiful Girls, which will we will

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mention Chasing Amy and Beautiful Girls and
then move on because they're all essence of

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gen X. You don't remember Beautiful
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Portman who has a crush on is
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Remember vaguely, keep reminding me she
they had this inappropriate crush when he

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comes back to his hometown. Oh
yeah, and then that's the only weird

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part of the movie, only the
reason that we mentioned it. You think

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he's gonna get with Uma Thurman and
she just like skips out of town.

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Stop bring the chat, you're gonna
get distracted. Beautiful girls. Well here,

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let me pull it up. Since
we'll briefly mention it. Chasing Amy

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was cringe. We didn't finish Chasing
Amy. It was too cringe gross.

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All they talked about was yeah,
gross stuff is it's all the beautiful girls?

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Right? No, that's a dang
prince. Maybe it's just beautiful girls.

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This was an obscure This is it
Matt Dylan? Right, so you

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got Matt Dylan. What is this
gen x? She is princess? Yes?

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Right, so in this one,
Timothy Hutton, that's so I couldn't

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think of. Not Clive Owen.
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What happened to Rosie? Unbelievable relief, Shad Rosie O'Donnell is the comic relief

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in this. You've got what Michael
Rapaport as the horny man. Yeah,

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you've got Timothy Hutton going back to
his hometown because he can't make it as

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a piano player in New York.
And he decides, I'm gonna go back

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and just be a normal, you
know, small town dude working at the

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factory. And then he meets his
next door neighbor, Natalie Portman, who's

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like thirteen. Yeah, and she
has a crush on him when he comes

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back. Very weird. Nothing happened, nothing happens, but it's just bizarre.

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He tries to think in his head
that she's mature, Yeah, more

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mature than she is. And you
got Matt Dillon over here being a player.

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Everybody learns their lesson. It's fairly
predictable but forgettable, right, and

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so Uma Thurman doesn't end up being
who he gets with. So anyway,

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not much to it, just the
weird element of the temptation, so to

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speak, between Timothy Hutton and the
way too young Natalie Portman character, which

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I thought was an odd, odd
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anyway, So that one didn't make
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mention for this genre. And Chasing
Amy as we said was too gross.

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Baffleck is not funny in it.
There's some very bizarre scenes about debates about

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the trinity. There's too many nineties
Goates in it, right, very goe

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all the dudes at Goates, Yes, and a very thin leather jacket.

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And it's not very There was one
funny part of the comic con at the

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beginning, at the beginning with the
nerds of the comic con, that was

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kind of funny. Jason Lee.
Everybody's forgotten Jason Lee. Without him,

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he became a scientologist. Right,
Who's the Kevin Smith in the movie.

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He's a very gen X MovieMaker.
Oh, he's absolutely essential gen X filmmaker.

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However, we're not focusing on straight
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So that's why we chose today's selection. And why do we choose this?

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We want to get into the psyche
of the gen X. How do they

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think? What are their motivations,
what are their traumas, what are their

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positive aspects? Why is that because
the Boomers will soon be in are presently

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past the torch too. The next
crop of overlords, namely the gen X

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overlords, will they be benevolent leaders. Will they be failures like the boomers?

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Will they do better? We'll have
to see as we bequeath our failty

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to our new lords. What are
you there? I think they're the older,

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like I said, the older siblings
of this whole dynamic one that was

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like a little neglected. I'm sure
gen X would say that they were the

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first latch key kids, and so
they had to do a lot of growing

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up and parentalization of themselves, and
I think that comes out. And then

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a lot of just kind of being
lost and not wanting to be like your

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parents is a common theme. And
a lot of these like we hang out

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and we don't we don't hustle and
grind like the Boomers. We just kind

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of like think about things. They're
very existential thinkers. Yeah, this is

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the Ethan Hawk character in Before Sunrise. Yeah, Sunset Sunrise Sunrise. Okay,

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and I've not seen this trilogy.
We've only seen the Jamie might have

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seen the other ones. I don't
remember if you've seen them. No,

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Okay, so we've only seen the
first of this famous trilogy by link Later.

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And that's relevant too because Alex of
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So Richard Linklater is gonna be another
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film directors. But so we want
to understand where they're coming from their mindset,

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and what better way to do that
than to find the essential gen X

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films that deal with love, relationships, philosophy, existential angst from the nineties.

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We'll kick it off with Mad Love, which is not a very good

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movie. So we're starting with the
worst. This is not everybody's forgotten chrystll

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Donald. Remember the controversey that he
paid like ten thousand dollars to have his

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cod piece and Batman be significantly bigger. I never heard. Yeah, this

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was a controversy in the nineties which
they were all making fun of him because

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he paid to have the cod piece
look bigger than was it George Clooney?

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Was he was with George Clooney,
Right, I would have paid to have

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the script not be so ho m
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Batman with his with George Clooney?
Is it is it skittles pretty well,

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like just like suggesting weird things,
you know. At the time, I

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wouldn't have thought about that, but
looking back, I'm sure it was right,

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Like, I didn't even know in
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It was very I was too innocent
to know that Interview of the Vampire

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was all freaking gay, powdered toast
Man, remember that who you cling to

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his bottom and run and stimpy.
He's like, they're just being funny,

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though, that's I'm talking about,
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to, you know, a more
innocent time. But so this is a

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kind of Romeo Juliette story and what
really wanted to tap into the alt vibe

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of teenagers older or I should say
gen X sort of graduating and going into

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college around the time in the mid
nineties. So this is nineteen ninety five.

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We have the total nineties essential soundtrack, We've got Nirvana, We've got

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all these kinds of characters, We've
got other staples of nineties gen X,

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like Matthew Lillard. I mean,
all we're lacking is basically Sketele Rick and

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Jamie Kennedy, Right, yeah,
we would have been like essence of But

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so it's a Romeo juliet story where
you have this sort of middle classish dude

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who lives I think we're in Oregon. Seattle. They love to set these

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nineties films in Seattle, Oregon.
This was part of the grunge scene.

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I don't know why we're supposed to
think so that Seattle was so cool in

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the nineties. Maybe Nirvana why is
it? And Soundgarden and there was a

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tech Yeah, there was a tech
phenomena at that time then before silicon silicon

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valid correct, Seattle and gen X
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make like going to therapy as an
adolescent thing and also being put on different

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chemicals. Like Breakfast Club is kind
of not touches on that a little bit,

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but this one is explicitly like she
is cuckoo. Now there's a huge

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element in this about big pharmaceutical medication. Yeah, that's actually a plot that

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you needn't dare step between someone in
their meds, and that's cryst O'donald's chief

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sin here in this film is to
step between somebody in their mads and he

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thinks he knows better for the sake
of love, right, but turns out,

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no, you don't understand this chick
is like basically whack a doodle institutionalized

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on a regular base. And the
fact that she's from a wealthy family doesn't

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mean that she's not whack adoodle.
So, like I said, we've got

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Romeo Juliet story. You've got also
the class distinction. He's upper middle class.

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Drew Barrymore is from very wealthy class, right, And so she lives

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across the lake where the richies live. He lives over on middle class side

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of the lake. They begin to
flirt and have fun, and they start

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dating, and she is off the
hook. She's just like, Okay,

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let's skip school, let's pull the
fire alarm, let's go do she does

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the most. She has no governor
self governor for self harm. What's the

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word I'm looking for where you have
a you don't have the desire or the

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necessary programming to like stop at a
certain moment. There's a word I'm looking

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for. Well, she's the ultimate
manic pixie dream girl. Correct, that's

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part of this. Yes, and
remember in the nineties the Volkswagen Beetles were

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such a thing. Yeah, she
she has one of these. Correct.

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Let's look at some of the trailer
here. You've got Voyeur Chrys O'Donnell over

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here peeping on her. Remember he
starts creeping on her. He looks at

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her through Yeah, he's over here
looking at her like, oh yeah,

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let me see what what the richies
are up to in the bedroom. Oh,

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she's, you know, changing her
clothes. This is not him.

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Look, this is when she's at
the library. But then, yeah,

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here's her beetle. So she's got
her Drew Barrymore beetle wearing that nineties baby

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doll dress, baby doll dress and
the stocking socks. Right, you got

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Matthew Lillard with some nice hair.
You've got Matthew exactly. Totally zero cool

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baby. Anyway, this this is
another phenomena that occurred that we saw in

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the in the nineties. Mannic Pixie
dream Girl is almost an archetype. Okay,

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this is like when Owner Ryder in
Reality bites. This is Drew Barrymore

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and mad Love. This is oh
the girl in Empire Records. Who's the

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one that's suicidal. Remember her,
she's man At Pixie dream Girl. Remember,

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they have to have a ritual for
her where she undergoes her death so

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that they could hear how everybody's talking
about how awesome she was and they missed

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her. Yeah. Uh so mental
problems is a theme for the adolescence of

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gen X. But the point of
this movie is not just that. It's

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a great point about Heather's. Heathers
would work too, but Heather's we thought

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was a little too satirical and not
enough of a of a of a dramedy.

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But yeah, we've talked about Heathers
many times. But the point of

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this movie really is, No,
you need your meds, right, Like,

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what did Jordan Peterson? Be sure
and take your meds? Do not

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take your meds. I noticed in
your notes that there's a lot of butterflies,

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and there are monarchy. There's monarch
imagery throughout this movie. Yeah,

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Now, every time a butterflies used
doesn't necessarily mean monarch mind control. It's

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a classic symbol for transformation. She's
also got those damn nineties eyebrows. Yeah,

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look at those plucked nineties eyebrows.
Like so in the nineties, every

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chick had these like super thin,
plucked up eyebrows. Do they grow back

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or they stay like that? No, that's why they sell you eyebrow serums.

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Really. Yeah, anyway, so
there's not a lot to be said

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about this movie, except that she's
diagnosed as bipolar. He keeps he breaks

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her out of the facility. You
got boom her dad over here, Like

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why is he trying to keep her
out of the you know, keep her

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out of the mental institute. Chryst
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on this road trip they get this
idea. Well Elope, okay. And

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this is funny because it's on the
trip where Chris o'donald gets to realize she's

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actually insane because she has multiple mental
breakdowns, once at a restaurant and it's

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not cute anymore. And then uh, he wakes up and she's like plastered

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their Mexican rental apartment with like magazine
magazine images with two paste. Yeah,

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she's gluing the apartment with magazine images
and it's like all seeing eyes. And

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what they don't tell you is like
you get the impression, Okay, has

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she been sex abused? Right?
It Also it almost seems like she's gone

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through some kind of s a and
that's why she's so manic and her here's

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her now is this her mag You
can see this is one of her manic

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breakdowns here, but she plasters the
whole room with like eyes. She cuts

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the eyes out of magazines, plasters
and everywhere. She's like, everyone's looking

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at me. Everyone's looking at me, And you actually start wondering to wait

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a minute, does she actually have
some sort of literal trump And that's like

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the underlying theme of the film.
But this is the height of grunge,

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by the way, it is nineteen
ninety five. The whole soundtracks basically grunge,

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and it's all just really to promote
psycho psychoactive help and the big pharma

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message of prozac. Well did you
notice with the eyes and people watching her?

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He was watching her through the telescope
and she caught him and instead of

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being like, stay away, creep, she's like, oh, okay,

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I'll be your girlfriend. Well,
at first she's creeped out, but then

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she likes it. Yeah, so
we get the impression that again, maybe

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something odd has happened to her and
her dad. I think it says he's

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a military industrial complex Boeing executive.
So is this a monarch pixie dream girl?

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I mean it's implied, but not
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why would you have the dad being
an executive at a giant military industrial

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complex, you know, war entity. He could be he could be working

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for you know, Microsoft or something. You said, angry boomer dad energy.

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So yeah, that's a big thing
in gen X. They're always completing.

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My dad's so angry. My parents
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to be like them. Right,
And of course, you know Drew Barrymore.

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We just covered her with Scio Cinema
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the Long Hiss and the Long the
long list in history of Drew Barrymore films

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that have the theme, you know, of trauma mind control. Again,

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fire started being a key example.
Right. There's also a kind of a

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bodying Bonnie and Clyde element to this, right, when they run off and

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they think they're going to be like
criminals, and she keeps having her manic

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episodes when she's over stimulated. Her
eye collage scene I think was very telling

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eyeing through the telescope. Eyes pop
up a lot in this right, which

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is again is very bizarre. When
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so it's almost like they think that
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really understand the purpose of the astrological
references unless this perhaps relates to her occult

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programming, if she is in fact
a monarch person. I mean, why

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would they keep bringing up castor and
pollocks and the constellations and the twins?

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Right, they said she's bipolar,
but they didn't really say how or why.

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And this is the beginning of the
chemical imbalance you put here error,

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Yeah, like, oh, we
don't know why, right, so we

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wouldn't look at the abuse perhaps from
the father, and the movie does imply

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that her father's abusive, right this
executive, But instead they said, no,

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she just has a chemical imbalance,
and you're a bad person, chrys

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o'donald, because you tried to wide
night and save her from this relationship.

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It actually, it turns out he's
kind of right, yeah, like cryst

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o'donald's actually kind of got the right
picture here. He's almost stumbling upon the

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fact that she might be like an
abused you know, MK victim by this

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military social complex goon. But they
shut that ship down pretty quick and make

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sure to let him know, no, this is this is mad love of

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teenage idiocy, right, yes,
And so it's very take your marriage,

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like you said, Romeo and Juliet
and they're ripped apart by chemical imbalances.

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No, they're ripped apart by the
system. The system try and keep this

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apart. Yeah, which is ironically
it is kind of true, Like it's

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actually kind of true. But that's
the thing, though, is that it

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never addresses the underlying problem. It's
always about getting her the medications to treat

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the symptoms. Yeah, well,
what's the underlying trauma that causes her to

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be this way? Exactly? It's
the misdirection. All right, let's move

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on because that movie is again not
very good, So again we're moving up

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the scale as the movie is get
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that they're necessarily all that great.
I do think Reality Bites and Before Sunrise

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are good. They're they're decent.
Reality Bites held up better than I expected.

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Empire Records as not that great of
a film. It's almost like they

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conceived of this as a TV show
and they thought it was going to be

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a recurring series. It feels like
the pilot of a nineties want to be

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sitcom dramedy and it just never really
manifested, and it was really trying to

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capture the essence of the Seattle record
store, independent music scene, the grunge

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scene as well. It's not just
grunge though, because you have, you

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know, sort of a cast of
goofy characters that like all types of film

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of musical genres, they do have
a funny character who's kind of like a

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it's kind of like a Michael Hutchins
mixed with I don't know, like George

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Michael. Do you remember the guy? It's his day. He comes there

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every every year or so to sell
his records. It's in our notes here.

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But so you'll have a young Renee
Zellweger, we have liv Tyler again,

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essence of gen x he Rex Manning
day. Correct. Yeah, so

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this is like in the nineties.
I don't they probably don't do this anymore,

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right, but in the nineties you
would have like a musician or a

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pop star or somebody would have like
a big day where you could come kind

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of like kind of like an an
author does a book signing, right,

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like, all, let's go meet
Stephen King and get our book signed,

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you know. But here it's this
fictional sort of Rex Manning character. That

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part was kind of clever. I
thought that was a funny character. But

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overall, it's just not that great
of a movie. The store becomes the

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sort of replacement family for each of
these characters. So everybody's family situation is

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basically totally dysfunctional, and the store
is the replacement family. But they all

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don't really realize that until they have
the threat of losing the store. And

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you've got this idiot guy who's sort
of the rebellious dumb guy who thinks,

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I'll take the stor's weekly deposit and
I'll go gamble it in Reno and see

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if I can get enough money to
Atlantic City excuse me, Atlantic City right

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to keep it. So is this
not I thought this was? This isn't

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New Jersey. Oh, excuse me. I thought it was. I thought

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it was a Orlando excuse me.
So this is not this is Jersey.

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Pardon me. Yeah. So the
idiot character thinks he's gonna win all this

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money back to save the record store
because he hears this being bought up,

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bought off by these corporate elites.
They're gonna turn it into like a Tower

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Records or a what's another one of
those nineties chains that popped up Tower.

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And this is the first time we
see that kind of thing, like corporatization

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and then seeing the soullessness of like
big conglomerates taking over their neighborhood businesses.

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It's this guy's the idiot guy,
right with the Caesar cut, the George

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Clooney Caesar cut, which everybody I
had that the haircut in the nineties too,

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everybody had their haircut. A lot
of these gen X movies too,

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are very conversation driven, Like the
thing is just kind of like a set

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to have this dialogue of thoughts between
them right in Empire Records, I think

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is like the backdrop for just like
a lot of important conversations that young people

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are having about it. That's a
really good point because most films nowadays are

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not narrative or or they're not a
conversation driven. I mean think about you

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know, pulp fiction, right,
even pulp fiction with its sort of inane,

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mundane, idiotic conversations, it's still
convert it's still script driven, right.

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Clerks is like that. I think
that's a really good exam that's a

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really good point. And then you
got this sort of idiotic goofy character who's

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the he's the punk guy. You've
got the pop star like liv Tyler is

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obsessed with the Michael Hutchins type of
pop guy. This guy's the punk guy.

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They all have their different genres.
Well, speaking of last Key kids.

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So this group of people that work
at this place, they all treat

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it as a second home because they
have problems. Exactly dysfunctional and neglected.

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This is the Hodgepodge family that they're
looking for, because no one's literally at

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home because the boomers were still working
or they're still out. So this is

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Lucas. He's the one that blows
all the money for the weekly deposit,

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which means that they're going to lose
the record store even even sooner because he

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thought he could win it through gambling. I forget this guy. This guy's

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like a nineties sort of Italian staple
guy, but I forget his name.

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He's in a bunch of different things. I'm trying to find the So then

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you've got liv Tyler, who's sort
of the the one that everybody has a

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crush on, but she has a
crush on the stupid pop star guy anyway.

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So there's not a whole lot really
that interesting in this film, except

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that it is a very good slice
of what pop culture was about in the

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nineties, and there is one bizarre
esoteric element to this film, which is

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the they're all pretty much idiotic.
I'm trying to find the girl that shaves

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her head. Okay, so this
chick, right, is she the Gilmore

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Girls chick? I always get all
these nineties people mixed up anyway, but

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she's in a bunch of you know, nineties things, and she represents she's

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the manic pixie dream girl who's essentially, you know, tempted to unlive herself,

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and she's like a super drama queen. She also I think they speak

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about her, you know, on
meds or whatever, and she's always just

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she's like the ultimate sort of narcissistic, self absorbed, manic pixie dream girl

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who has to undergo a death,
burial and resurrection ceremony in the film,

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which rehabilitates her. I guess it's
very bizarre. But the only reason that

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all these people are having these problems
is that the film is actually saying that

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it's because of extreme dysfunctional problems at
home. And so I think in her

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case, were her dad's abusive or
she's been abused as well, and so

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this is her surrogate family. But
interesting that that's a recurring theme here.

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It is, here's her resurrection ritual
where she lays down and they all do

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a eulogy, lamenting what would happen
if she died? Right? So,

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anyway, first time at sex lib
Tyler, there's Rex Manning in there and

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she tried to she's seducing Rex Manning, but he something happened in Renees Elwiger.

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Well, she'd found out he was
he was like slimy and gross,

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and then she didn't like him,
and then he goes and sleeps with Renes

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Elwiger. Right, Yeah, But
then there's a younger kid who keeps robbing

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the store and then they teach him
a lesson and he becomes part of the

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family. And so it's almost like, I don't know, like youth like

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youth gangs can find familial solace if
they if they find a record store.

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Also, I think that was a
very big gen X thing too, because

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they were trying to make another family
that wasn't so messed up. Well that's

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the point right now. The story
course is that they're able to save the

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record store by all working together and
fighting the corporate man. And I mean

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that was kind of the theme.
I think of a lot of grunge and

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alt music, all of the alternative
scene of that time. The whole premise

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was corporations are bad and they're they're
screening everybody over and we need to do

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our own thing, which is actually
correct, Like I mean, the essential

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ethos of this whole genre grunge as
well, was spot on. But the

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problem is that almost right away,
all of these movements, whether it's the

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grunge movement in the nineties, or
whether it's independent music which evolves out of

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grunge and alternative indie indie rock right
in the late nineties early two thousands,

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and it's almost all immediately bought up
and bought out by the corporations. So

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it's a noble sentiment, but it's
it's just almost it's almost always immediately foiled

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by the man. What do you
think I really wanted to live Tyler's outfit

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back in the day, her skirts, skirt with the sweater, when I

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was twelve years older. Whenever this
came out, I thought that was the

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cutest thing. You did you want
Rex Manning? No, no, you

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wouldn't try to say to Douce the
Rex Menning with the skirt in the switter

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No too old. I think you
know that like all of the girls at

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this time wore this right, you
had Clueless Elizabeth Shu wears the same outfit

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and the Saint So yeah, this
was like a super nineties girl outfit for

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sure. Anything else to say about
Empire Records? What do you think of

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it? I don't think it's that
great. No, it was kind of

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a mid movie. They do bring
up film school. One of the guys

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wants to go to film school,
and film school comes up in Reality Bites

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as well as a key element of
the narrative. That's because in the nineties

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everyone talked about going to film school. I'm not joking like I had multiple

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friends. I had one friend that
actually did it. He didn't actually end

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up making any films, but everybody
in the nineties, well, okay,

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wait to go to film school,
dude. It was like a super popular

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thing in the nineties because documentaries was
like the hot that's when they were starting

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to get popular. And in Reality
Bites, remember is that unette? Is

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it is it Steve's on or is
it Jenine Garofolo that's making the documentary?

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It's Winoda writer taking clips and Ben
Stiller takes her clips and cells. Oh

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Soona's making the documentary. Yeah,
okay, that's right, and that has

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all the things we've just been talking
about. Well. Also, unliving is

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a big theme here and reality TV, so you do reality by absolutely right.

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So this one is way ahead of
its time, a lot of important

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elements. As Jamie just noted,
this is right when reality TV was first

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popping off getting really popular. I
remember at this time, when it was

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really kicking off, you had road
Rules, uh, Real World and then

401
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,000
Roll road Rules, and I,
believe it or not, I was trying

402
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:54,119
to remember Real World was actually way
earlier than I remembered. I thought it

403
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:58,679
was mid nineties. It's more like
ninety two or three. And then you

404
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,920
get road Rules the spell off of
that, which was later nineties, and

405
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,679
everybody can remember. I remember all
the not all of them. I remember

406
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,920
Pedro, remember him. He's the
gay guy that had aids Pedro and they

407
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,960
were following Pedro's story of I'm serious, I know. I remember John was

408
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,239
the guy that was the country musician, the Christian They all made fun of

409
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,840
him. Yeah. So they are
countering the boomer culture of a fake world

410
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,599
where everything is scripted and so they're
saying, we're not interested in the boomer

411
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:31,960
culture. We are wanting our real
stories of real people. But they don't

412
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:46,039
realize that they are also contributing to
making another fake counterculture because they're adding skittles.

413
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:52,039
They're adding like all of these different
ethnicities in the same house, like

414
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:53,599
this is like some kind of microcosm
of real life. When it's not.

415
00:39:53,840 --> 00:40:00,519
It's like alternative living styles, which
exactly was promoted by the white white papers

416
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:02,559
written by the Sanford Research Institute.
They were saying in the nineteen seventies,

417
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,960
as we roll out the technocracy,
we're going to promote all manner and forms

418
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:13,159
of alternative ways of living. And
so I think, although not everybody in

419
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:19,679
the alternative music movement intended this,
alternative music played into this narrative coming out

420
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,599
of the think tanks and the foundations
to create everything as an alternative, and

421
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,800
this really set the stage for where
we are now. By everybody who's now

422
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:35,360
existing in some weird, bizarre fetish
or all thing, I'm special because I'm

423
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,760
in this. This is my consumer
identity that I've chosen. I identify as

424
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,079
a bird, I'm a furry.
All that stuff couldn't have happened without this

425
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:52,320
phase where you have people adopting the
first phases of alternative. I mean you

426
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,320
could say, okay, the sixties
and hippies were an earlier version of this.

427
00:40:54,639 --> 00:41:00,960
It's just new versions and new levels
and layers of the plan that's rolled

428
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,880
out. So in the in the
nineties, this key figure here by played

429
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,119
by Ethan Hawk, Troy Dyer dire
hello, Troy Dyer, philosopher, is

430
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:14,480
a philosophy student. It's very busy, so all of this. I didn't

431
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,920
pick up on this until we recently
watched it. He's seen reading Heidegger as

432
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,719
well as a bunch of other very
unexpected technical philosophy books. So that was

433
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:28,159
interesting. But you're he made a
great point, right that the premise of

434
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:32,960
the film is that the characters want
to get You're gonna be in the shot.

435
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,960
The characters want to get to reality. What is reality? What's real?

436
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:42,000
Dude? Yeah? I remember the
nineties. I would even see bumper

437
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:45,599
stickers like alt indie people. It
was popular for them to have bumper stickers

438
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:51,719
like what is real? What is
real? Man? Right? And so

439
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:57,519
when Onda Ryder thinks I'm going to
film a documentary about my real life and

440
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:01,800
that will be authentic because we're all
searching for authenticity. There's always in a

441
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:07,599
lot of these gen X all films, the existential search for authenticity man,

442
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:14,440
So they're very influenced by existential's philosophy, hence him reading Heidiger. And what

443
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:19,800
makes her life interesting enough to make
a documentary is her going through her parents'

444
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,960
divorce. So that's what kind of
spurred her on to go to film school

445
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:29,039
and do all these things, is
because this is also the generation of the

446
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:32,760
great boomer divorce. Well, remember
she also works at a network station,

447
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:37,559
and her network job, she can't
stand it because it's so fake. And

448
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:42,480
she's got this local TV host boomer
who's really arrogant and rude to her.

449
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,760
Remember he's always talking down to her
and he's really mean, and she's like,

450
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:49,159
hey, I have really good ideas
about how we could update the show

451
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,360
make it more appealing to a hip
or younger audience. And the boomer guys

452
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:58,079
just like I don't listen to women. Shut up. Yeah. Yeah.

453
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:01,320
So she's graduating college and Houston.
I thought this was an interesting setting for

454
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,199
a movie. You don't get too
many movies set in Houston. It is

455
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,760
a very odd setting. For for
a movie, and she's conflicted then her

456
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:14,960
reality story about herself for documentary,
which by the way, is very narcissistic.

457
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,880
I'm going to make a documentary about
myself because I'm on the search for

458
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,159
authenticity in my own life. Super
super narcissistic. But she is. She's

459
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:27,599
the manic pixie dream girl, and
Ethan Hawk is the manic pixie dream dude

460
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,159
to her. Yes, that just
reminded me of that kid in American Beauty

461
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:37,000
who films everything in like the paper
bag blowing. And it's all very,

462
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:45,480
like you said, narcissistic. And
it's also this this sort of voyeuristic preparation

463
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:52,960
for where we are now that everything
is live streamed right our I r L

464
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:59,000
streaming right or Twitch streaming, or
the idea that I need to post every

465
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:01,840
aspect of my life life for the
public to see, right. You couldn't

466
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:07,800
have had any of that without this
important phase of reality TV and what you

467
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,920
see Winona Writer's character embodying here.
So, just like I was talking about

468
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:15,800
with Scott on a History Homo's podcast, and by the way, that means

469
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,639
Homo Sapien, not History Homosexuals,
but History Homo's podcast, we had a

470
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:22,280
great conversation that the other day Scott
and I and we were talking about Gene

471
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:28,639
Hackman's character in the nineteen seventies film
The conversation. He's an archetype, he's

472
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:34,840
a he's on the cusp of Panopticon, surveilled man. That's what his character

473
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,599
represents. Guess what, so does
Winona writer here, she represents the future

474
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:45,719
of Panopticon. Everybody's being filmed at
all times. That's a preparation for the

475
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:52,679
world that we live in now.
But the drama kicks off. We have

476
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:58,480
to mention Garafa Hoo because who she
slept with sixty six people, her body

477
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:02,159
count, her body count is sixty
and she is very open about this.

478
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,719
She's always talking about it, and
she keeps thinking she's getting AIDS. And

479
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,840
that's interesting because of the nineteen nineties, AIDS was talked about all the time

480
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,480
everywhere. This is odd because and
we know this, if we know the

481
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,639
history of it, did a Fauci
He was the one that was the architect

482
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,719
of this nineties psyop. I'm not
saying that everything about AIDS is a sie

483
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,199
I'm saying that the fear of this
was a syop. It's admitted now right,

484
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:32,320
you know this, right, So
how could we train people with fear

485
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,840
through AIDS. I'm not saying that
there's not something to it. I'm just

486
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:42,400
saying that Fauci's role in this was
very crucial and was being studied as a

487
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,480
preparation as we now know for the
last three four years of Kouf exactly scaring

488
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:55,719
people through a viral issue. And
then we get the drama element that's introduced

489
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:05,239
through the Ben Stiller character. So
we have a very responsible, well established

490
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:10,599
Jewish guy who has his ducks in
a row, and he begins to court

491
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:19,239
and flirt with Winona Ryder, who
still is infatuated with the lay about roused

492
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,760
about Troy Dyer mannic pixie dream dude. And so the question is, and

493
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:30,760
who will she choose, the responsible
corporate man or the bad boy lay about

494
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:38,800
philosophy man. You just let me
think of a lot of the plant parenthoods

495
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:45,119
and stuff. We like getting footholds
in neighborhoods through the AIDS testing and the

496
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:47,920
young kids. And it was almost
like a rite of passage that they talked

497
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:53,199
about have you had your test?
Yeah? And like the chat says,

498
00:46:53,440 --> 00:47:00,079
Magic Johnson kick popped off in the
nineties. Exactly right. Yeah, he

499
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:07,119
was huge for the whole you know, image and persona of aids. Band

500
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:12,880
AIDS won't give you aids. So
it's a meta documentary. Like you said,

501
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,039
Ethan Hawk is the near duel mooch, and she's kind of social justice

502
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:19,440
before it was such a thing.
Oh that's a great point. Yeah,

503
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,239
she's social where why Barbie is bad
and like gender roles and stuff like that.

504
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:30,920
Yes, she's she's proto woke.
At one point, what she has

505
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:37,239
to work at Wiener Schnitzel and her
bosses in the David Spade David Spade.

506
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:43,280
Yeah, and so she's humiliated because
she she feels that she's due, you

507
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:49,960
know, this media attention due to
her ground baking breaking work. And then

508
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:53,760
she thinks she's finally hit jackpot when
she starts dating Ben Stiller, and ben

509
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,679
Steller's like, hey, look,
I know a way to get you in

510
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,960
your project on you know, major
And what she doesn't understand is that he

511
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:07,719
wants to corporatize it and change it, so her whole project gets revamped.

512
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:13,199
It's not an actual Reality Bites documentary. It's turned into a TV show called

513
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,159
Reality Bites, which is just little
bits of reality. It's not her actual

514
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:22,559
documentary. Also is another interesting element, not just the jening Gerofelho character sleeping

515
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:28,400
with sixty six people, but the
steves On character who doesn't want to come

516
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,840
out as Skittles. So we have
the thing again. Now Skittles is being

517
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,079
normalized in the nineteen nineties, and
you shouldn't be afraid to come out.

518
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:45,639
That's crucial to the narrative as well. So they're making a comment about how

519
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,480
these jobs are a little dehumanizing,
like working at Wiener Schel, fighting about

520
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:54,519
if you have to wear the hat
or not. So yeah, they have

521
00:48:54,639 --> 00:49:00,519
a point that the corporations take the
soul out of everything, and they also

522
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:06,239
make you into some kind of cartoon
character. But what's always, I guess

523
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:14,639
absurd about especially nineties even critiques of
corporate culture is that it's almost like the

524
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,079
film version of hot topic. It's
always coming from a corporation, which is

525
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:24,679
part of the system exactly. So
movie counter culture is the film equivalent of

526
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,400
hot topic, because you can't have
a hot topic without a corporation. That's

527
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:34,760
the mall, right, promoting all
the other corporations to you at the mall.

528
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:38,559
So it's manufactured fake rebellion, and
that's really what's going on in the

529
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:44,000
movie, but of course the characters
never recognized that. And here's Wiener Dude,

530
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,000
So there's David Spade as her boss
at Wiener Dude, you know,

531
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:52,800
making her wear the hat. And
essentially it's just sort of them too,

532
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,880
walking around and not really being clear
on whether they're dating or not, smoking

533
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:04,400
cigarettes and drinking coffe in every scene. So many cigarettes in every scene.

534
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:07,840
I mean, it's like, you
think you thought Don Draper was smoking cigarettes

535
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:13,000
and drinking He's nothing against Troy Dyer
and went on a Rider right now.

536
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:17,559
This movie also has one of the
most famous scenes that encapsulates the nineteen nineties

537
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:22,320
as well, and this is the
scene when Troy has left town to go

538
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:29,360
ten two I think is dying mom
uh, and you know when on a

539
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:34,079
Rider still likes him, and she
doesn't really like Ben Stiller, but she

540
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:37,719
doesn't know who to choose, and
she's laying around and she starts kind of

541
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,760
going crazy because she's watching like and
this part is actually pretty funny because she's

542
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,360
watching all the nineties like infomercials that
come on, like the psychics that would

543
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,519
come on, like Deon Warwick.
She starts going crazy. A nineties thing

544
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:58,119
is the multi hundred dollars phone bill, Like one time you messed up the

545
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:00,639
own people and your parents, Like
what on called one nine hundred party line?

546
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:02,840
One nine hundred party line? That
happened to me, Mary, she

547
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,519
called the party line one time.
So that's just a bunch of creeps,

548
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,760
Like why did you even call it? Just to see what it was?

549
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,199
The teenagers? And then the commercial
came on, like you call the number

550
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,239
and n creep. Yes, let's
see, let's see an add on one

551
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,480
of these, because there's a lot
of people who are young and they won't

552
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:29,400
know about this one nine hundred party
line from the nineties, and like who

553
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:34,639
was actually calling these and taught like
what teenage girls like me here creeps,

554
00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:38,400
Harry got party line? This is
it. But according to what you were

555
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,400
saying, when you call the one
nine hundred party line, it's not actually

556
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,320
dirty. It's just people talking about
a party. Yeah, that's so stupid.

557
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:52,280
Yeah, it wasn't phone sex.
It was a party line. What

558
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,039
does a party line mean? Like? Multiple people? What are you doing?

559
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:59,639
I'm bumping on a boombox? What
are you doing? I've spoken a

560
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:04,719
cigaret. This is a party that
is, it's the phone version of like

561
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,719
chat Roulette or chat root. Okay, okay, okay, all right,

562
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,599
let's see here's a one nine hundred
party line number. Let's see what's going

563
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:29,559
on. Recently we asked some that's
just mom, dude, So what's my

564
00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:32,960
mom doing on the party line?
Why? Why is she just calling people

565
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:39,360
on the party line. She's an
executive secretary? What are you a secretary

566
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:45,639
of executive? That sucks. I'm
just a secretary. She's an executive.

567
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:53,280
What's Gary doing the party? Oh
wait, he's a professional surfer. Whoa

568
00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:57,639
oh he calls me girls. That's
definitely why I called. See now,

569
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,199
this is where we are now.
We couldn't have tender if we didn't have

570
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:07,320
this. So this is tender in
the nineties. It's not specifically for dating

571
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,159
those Well he just said, well
that's his reason. But some people are

572
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,559
like, I just like to meet. Well what other reason? Exactly?

573
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:19,599
Make friends and to make friends.
I'm at my best friend of the party

574
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:24,400
line, Bill Johnson. I call
the party line because it's fine. Maybe

575
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:30,480
everybody in the nineties actually wasn't sane. Look at this guy per minute,

576
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:36,440
that's one ninety six cent says per
minute. Damn, there's another party line,

577
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:43,239
which is this one? You called
yes to meet people? Yes,

578
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:49,320
Yes, pick a football called one. Let's see what happens if we call

579
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:59,280
it the party waiting for you?
It's the party line one line? Ahe

580
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:06,000
a are you waiting for one?
Nine? Five? Poor? Chat?

581
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,079
One? Hold on? I didn't
have my damn thing turned on? One

582
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:21,679
eight oh nine five four four c
h A T. I want the party

583
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:32,280
line? Party line? Can I
speak to? Can I speak to?

584
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,559
Bill Johnson? I don't think it's
working. It's busy, dude. Somebody's

585
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:40,719
still on the party line. They've
been on the party line since nineteen ninety

586
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:51,119
two. Mm hmm. These are
funny. I know. Club team?

587
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,760
Is that the one you call?
Probably? What's like me? Right here?

588
00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:59,320
Did you call nine on nine nine? Cry? No, look at

589
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:04,440
this moment. This is a joke. This is a joke. This is

590
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:13,920
a joke. What makes people all
over America breakdown like this? Well?

591
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:20,079
One nine nine nine nine cry and
you hear it for yourself. Two dollars

592
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:22,920
for the first minute, forty five
cents each edition a minute? Is that

593
00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:29,840
this girl? What kind of pun
The guy with the skateboard. I would

594
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:36,199
cry too if I was in this
infomercial incredible, I'm in tears there.

595
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,880
I think it might be real because
in the nineties there was all kinds of

596
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:43,760
weird phone lines like this. So
here here's one for teens to call that

597
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:49,800
looks like my esthetic. What if
we pull this up in your in one

598
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:58,360
of these commercials, I wouldn't be
surprised. Don't forget to dance, don't

599
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:04,960
forget to party on dance party,
I won't forget Hi. I'm definitely I

600
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:08,800
want to tell you about something I
know you like to on the phone.

601
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:15,559
Let's see, you'll never guess what
happened. Call me talk about it or

602
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:22,440
just listen? Who anyone who used
excellent get your parents permission? Call one

603
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:29,440
night. I couldn't believe it.
Club Tea cool, just two dollars for

604
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:36,000
the it's you're calling. None of
these numbers work. I don't think you

605
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:39,400
should try call Club Teina. Why? Because we're grown people. It doesn't

606
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:46,440
say that you have to be a
teenager to call party line ord again.

607
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,639
Yes, interested in a new way
to meet people? Just pick up the

608
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:59,960
ball they call one. You can
talk to moms right now, exactly you

609
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:02,840
Look at that dude. He's over
here talking to like six chicks at once

610
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:12,199
the party line. Look at that
cool party people. Those are the people

611
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,920
you'd be talking That's who you're talking
to, literally radical all right. So

612
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:22,480
that's how win Ona Warna got in
trouble in the movie by calling the psychic.

613
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:29,639
She called a psychic exactly, but
she that was because she couldn't sleep

614
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:35,159
because she was upset from who which
dude to choose, and so she basically

615
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:40,039
watched TV for like three days straight
and went crazy. Right, But anyway,

616
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:46,480
this movie has like the most famous
nineties essence of nineties scene where I

617
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:52,480
can't play it, but it's where
he calls her from the payphone. You

618
00:57:52,039 --> 00:58:00,639
see right the YouTube midget song you
won't double the ring of story to remain

619
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:14,960
until the process we didn't make from
the crater to the wein No is you

620
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:22,880
me right? Is you two at
gen X? For sure? Yeah?

621
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:27,760
That's an essence of it. What
are you even talking about? Anyway?

622
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:34,199
So you guys can watch this essence
of nineties one of the most famous gen

623
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,519
X nineties scenes right here, This
right here capsule encapsulates the nineties four A

624
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:42,559
lot of people. We even had
some of our mods when I put this

625
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:46,960
up, even saying like this is
the nineties for me, so go ahead.

626
00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:51,199
Somebody said, miss Cleo, that
was like one of the most Yeah,

627
00:58:51,239 --> 00:58:57,199
Dion Warwick and miss Cleo exactly.
So I'm trying to find that her,

628
00:58:57,679 --> 00:59:04,000
her laying in the bed with her
cigarettes. You see, you will

629
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:09,480
a midget to fly. I'm reading
the video of the midge is flying around.

630
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:16,360
Yes, a big gen X thing
is choosing the path of love and

631
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:22,960
art over the path of like stability
and security. Yeah, exactly. Do

632
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:30,119
I want to grow up and be
responsible or am I gonna follow your heart?

633
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:35,039
Yeah? Your she did? She
followed the heart in reality and so

634
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:37,039
yeah, so if you haven't seen
it, spoiler alert, she does not

635
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:46,280
choose responsible Jewish business man. She
chooses Troy Dyer's the he's the rolling stone

636
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,880
rambling man. He can't pin him
down, you know, he's like that

637
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:57,960
whole like he's a loose. But
all I'm thinking about is if you want

638
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,639
to fly in a flying short person, right, he climbs, he climbs

639
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:06,039
with that thing. But if you
watch the video, he he climbed up

640
01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:09,960
and died. So he thought he
was going to impress this chick with his

641
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:15,119
trick. But he actually dies.
I'm serious, that's the It's like a

642
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:19,639
tragedy. And then they're carrying his
little little baby coffin and it's like,

643
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,920
why is it is Bono carrying his
coffin or something? Stupid? Right,

644
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:30,199
Bono's leading his procession, his funeral
procession a midget to fly through the sky.

645
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:39,880
All right. Last one, This
is a very odd film. It's

646
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:44,079
more of an art house film.
I had never seen it. I didn't

647
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:47,119
know what to expect. Of course, I have seen many Richard link Later

648
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:51,079
films. I do think Richard link
Later is a is a good director.

649
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:57,119
Waking Life is a good film.
It's it's gnostic and bizarre, of course,

650
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,920
uh classic with Lord Voldemorre. You
also have Ethan Hawke. I think,

651
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:06,519
isn't he laying on the bed talking
to Uma Thurman in that scene.

652
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:12,280
You've got weird professors. I think
Tristan and I did a breakdown of Waking

653
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:17,320
Life. Remember that. And then
you've got Scanner Darkly which is great with

654
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:25,639
whoa right Keanus, Robert down Jr. And Alex Yes Alex is in essence

655
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:30,079
of gen X two. Oh yes
he is Robert down Jr. Too.

656
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,320
Now, I'm not saying licorice pizza
yet, but I hear it's good.

657
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:42,920
I'm not a huge fan of Dazing, Confuse. I like Waking Live Scanner

658
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,480
Darkly. I'm not a huge fan
of Dazing Confuse. I mean it's okay.

659
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:51,199
I think you know, we're kind
of introduced to like Matthew McConaughey,

660
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,119
there, Mili Jovivic, isn't it
Do you remember all that? It's it's

661
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:59,880
it's weird, but all, not
all of his films are are focused on

662
01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:07,280
storytelling. They're very character driven and
like the the what's going on in the

663
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:12,159
character, even more so than what
is the story? Do you remember the

664
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,119
one we watched about the baseball team
from the seventies, Yeah, that one

665
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:20,159
is that way. It's not really
a story. It's just kind of like

666
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:24,440
a weekend with a bunch of baseball
dudes. So it's a guide of reality

667
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:34,719
sort of more than an adventure or
like a fantasy or sci fi. Well,

668
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,480
I mean he does sometimes tell I
mean, Scanner Darkly tells a story,

669
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:45,320
yeah anyway, But Ethan Hawk is
always an artsy, fartsy character,

670
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:52,519
like reading a book, pontificating Yeah, what's the Sofia Coppola movie that had

671
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:59,079
to be influenced by this, which
the one where she's walking Bill Murray's walking

672
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:04,199
around What's Cheat with Scarlet Johansson Lost, Yeah, that has to be.

673
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:09,599
It's this is that before that?
So yeah, this is also a very

674
01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:15,119
conversation driven. It's just them walking
around Europe or Vienna or what was it.

675
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,599
Well, it's two people who randomly
meet and kind of hit it off

676
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:23,960
on the train and they're both just
sort of like finding their way. You

677
01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:30,719
know, this idea of you know, individuals, eat, pray love ideology,

678
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,760
right, like I have to go
to Europe to find myself that this

679
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:38,239
is still going on. Yeah,
but I mean Europe specifically because it's like,

680
01:03:38,519 --> 01:03:45,159
you know, white heritage and the
whole backpacking through Europe. Well,

681
01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:46,840
in the nineties, as you even
pointed out, there was this idea that

682
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:52,400
Europe was automatically way more sophisticated.
America was very dumb and stupid, we

683
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,719
don't know anything, but if we
just went to Europe, right, we

684
01:03:54,719 --> 01:03:59,239
would, Oh, you would see
how sophisticated it is. There's an element

685
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,960
to this with like history and architecture. Outside of history and architecture. It's

686
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:09,599
not more sophisticated, but they don't
understand how much is packed into a tiny

687
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:13,039
space. So of course we're not
going to know lots of different languages.

688
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:18,079
Like she even makes a comment in
the movie only Americans only know English,

689
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:27,920
but in Europe is very small geographically, like, there's no reason for us

690
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,679
to know several languages because I'm not
crossing borders. That's a great point.

691
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,840
Yeah, it was. And they
were very snobby in the nineties about this.

692
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:38,719
If you talked to Europeans or meet
then they're always like, do you

693
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:43,840
even speak more than a language?
You talk to a stupid American. That's

694
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,320
like asking everybody from a different state
to like learn a different language just for

695
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,440
the sake of It's kind of crazy. But and backpacking across Europe was like

696
01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:55,400
a popular thing in the nineties and
early two thousands. I mean, maybe

697
01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:58,559
people still do this. I don't
know. There's people in the chat saying

698
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:01,079
I did the back pack three Europe
thing in the nineties. I had two

699
01:05:01,159 --> 01:05:03,360
good friends that did it. I
never did it. I didn't go to

700
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:11,960
Europe until or well areas of Europe
until more recently. But I had friends

701
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:17,800
that did ithay, Well, he's
also got a idea for a live streaming

702
01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:21,599
show. Oh really, yeah,
he was like, I'd like to just

703
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:30,920
record daily lives. Oh he's talking
about reality stuff. Yeah wow, And

704
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:38,480
they're both Oh. This is another
key element that characterizes gen X is agnosticism,

705
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:43,159
right, Apathy and agnosticism is supposed
to characterize the gen X, and

706
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,599
all of the characters for the most
part in all of these films are struggling

707
01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:51,079
with that to some degree. But
it's a contrast to like boomer atheism.

708
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:57,599
Would always like, I don't think
boomers are at Boomers are more like,

709
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:01,920
you know, maybe just his dad
or something. What his dad an atheist

710
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:05,519
and we wrote something about that.
Well he says something like, oh,

711
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:11,119
you know, my parents are hypocrites, so I reject all their whatever they

712
01:06:11,199 --> 01:06:15,440
say. Yeah, so it's like
I'm in rebellion against boomers. But then

713
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:18,360
the interesting thing about this is like
they actually start debating at one point,

714
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,400
well, why are we even in
rebellion and what are we rebelling against and

715
01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:26,119
for what? So that that was
actually a good question, right, because

716
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:29,440
most of the time people who want
to be counterculture, they want to rebel

717
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,920
against something they don't actually think about, well, why they're rebelling to rebel

718
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,280
for rebel's sake? I mean,
why are you rebelling against what? And

719
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:41,719
what is the better thing or the
solution? Right? And she has an

720
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,679
interesting conversation at one point in the
film where she even says the Julie Delpy

721
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,480
character. She says, on the
one hand, I don't want to be

722
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:53,840
a feminist, but I feel like
I have to be because of everything I've

723
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,239
been taught. But she's like,
but I want to have a family and

724
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,679
a husband and I want to be
a mom. And she's like, but

725
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,519
I think, like it's revolutionary to
say that. Do you know that conversation?

726
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,480
Yeah, definitely, And I think
millennials feel like that too. Like

727
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:11,679
at twenty years old, most women
if they said, well I just want

728
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:13,639
to get married to have a family, people are like, what's wrong with

729
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:17,599
you? Are you like con person? Don't you want to earn your own

730
01:07:17,639 --> 01:07:23,840
way? So yeah, this go
ahead. Well, I was just gonna

731
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:28,280
say gen X is jaded about love
too, that's true. Yeah, the

732
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:31,239
divorce, Well, but they also
want it right. So he wants to

733
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,599
love her, and he likes her
and likewise with her, but then he's

734
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:40,519
like, and remember this is pre
internet, so like he's like, well,

735
01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:44,519
if I get your number, then
it'll be a situation where I'll be

736
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:47,639
tempted to not call you back.
He's like, so maybe I shouldn't get

737
01:07:47,639 --> 01:07:53,159
your number and we should just enjoy
a you know, fling, And she's

738
01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:55,960
like, interesting, I never thought
about that. Okay, well let's do

739
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:58,960
that. Yeah. So they have
this fling, but they don't but they

740
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,880
don't want any attack and they and
so it's almost like they're doing an experiment

741
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:09,679
to see if their philosophies actually work
or makes sense, because the whole discussion

742
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:15,440
is like three days of philosophical debate
and discussion about their existential gen x angst.

743
01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:18,439
Then we're going to have a one
night stand and then we'll see how

744
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:26,960
we feel about it. And this
is also like European culture gen X versus

745
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:32,359
American culture gen X. But they
go to a German bar and they're playing

746
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:39,359
Nirvana, right, so the grunge
had become the American pop is global and

747
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:45,119
they even make a comment how it's
like MTV generation and she even says the

748
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,960
media are trying to control our minds
and it's a new form of fascism.

749
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,760
So well, yeah, it's like
every now and then they'll actually almost in

750
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:58,039
a brilliant way, hit on the
real conspiracy, right they'll talk about how

751
01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:01,880
maybe that maybe we're being atheism and
nihilism on purpose, and then they'll like

752
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:06,199
go right back into well, but
we just saw a Catholic monk a fortune

753
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:11,319
teller, and they're both ridiculous.
So it's like they don't know where to

754
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:14,359
go. They're constantly, you know, just sort of up in the air.

755
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:19,239
Everything is unclear, hence the gen
x agnosticism and apathy. Well,

756
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:24,760
you made a good point about souls, like if reincarnation is true, because

757
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,680
they're having all these deep existential conversations, like she's scared of death, and

758
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:32,279
he says, well what about reincarnation? And you were like, if reincarnation

759
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:36,760
is true, they're actually he playing
he's almost playing Troy Dyer again. He

760
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:42,800
refused reincarnation, which he's like,
my parents were boomers, they went through

761
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,920
the sixties counterculture and were feeding me
all this reincarnation bullshit. And he's like,

762
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:49,520
but I started thinking, like reincarnation
doesn't make sense. He actually has

763
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:57,880
a good argument against it because like
there's not enough souls. I don't remember

764
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,920
the exact argument he makes, But
it's something like that, like, well,

765
01:10:01,079 --> 01:10:04,600
where where are the people going?
Right? Like, how are we

766
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:10,600
getting more people if we're just recycling
the previous people right? Right? Which

767
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,680
is an obvious kind of self evident
critique. Where do new souls come from?

768
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,880
Yeah, if you're a reincarnation believer, like, where are all these

769
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:21,199
new souls coming from? We should
have essentially the same number like coming back

770
01:10:21,359 --> 01:10:27,279
each time. So you know,
he's actually making some interesting philosophical, almost

771
01:10:27,319 --> 01:10:30,880
pre level critiques at times. But
every time they start to hit on a

772
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:39,199
breakthrough, they kind of get sucked
back into their programming. Yeah, which

773
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:44,399
ironically she identifies. She even says
the feminist programming or something. She's like,

774
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,000
I was brainwashed or programming with this
feminist thing to make me not want

775
01:10:47,039 --> 01:10:49,800
to have a family. She's like, but why do I desire it?

776
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:58,600
Mm hm. So well, and
they're scared to fall into a cycle that

777
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,880
they witnessed people just stay together for
their kids. Yeah, they talk about

778
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,159
it again, and they say that
that's a boomer thing, right, where

779
01:11:05,159 --> 01:11:11,279
the boomers were sacrificing to stay together
even though they didn't like each other and

780
01:11:11,279 --> 01:11:15,520
they didn't want to experience that,
which is very ironically, very actually very

781
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,520
self centered because they're actually making the
point that the boomers were doing that for

782
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:24,159
the sake of the children. And
from their mindset as single people, they

783
01:11:24,199 --> 01:11:29,159
can understand why anybody would make sacrifices
for another person. So they're very narcissistic

784
01:11:29,239 --> 01:11:35,479
as well, and they're both skeptical. And so they make this pact that

785
01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:40,960
they will meet, they will not
speak, but they'll meet at the same

786
01:11:41,039 --> 01:11:47,960
place exactly ten years later and see
where they are. Was it ten years

787
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:51,520
or yeah, it's ten years?
What do you think it's five or something.

788
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:56,760
I didn't remember exactly how long.
It's a long time. I think

789
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:01,600
it's ten, but I mean chat
can correct me if yeah. And so

790
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,359
they come across these different characters and
one of them is a psychic, and

791
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:10,439
the psychic tells them that everything we
know is star dust, so therefore and

792
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:18,840
all of your decisions and consequences are
they don't matter because ultimately we're just star

793
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:30,319
stuff. So that kind of influences
their decision making process. Do they have

794
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:36,000
the stupid free will predestination debate,
which every Hollywood movie thinks is like the

795
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:42,600
deepest conversation that you can have what's
this twin flame thing? Oh, just

796
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:46,920
like psychics and those kind of people
pray on lonely people. Oh that's what

797
01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:51,039
she says, right, she says
that they're just praying on lonely people and

798
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:57,399
basically grifting. Yeah, and then
you wrote the twin flames and tills one.

799
01:12:59,079 --> 01:13:01,439
So then they start having but like
different marriages, like the Quaker marriage,

800
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,520
they just stare at each other.
Did you ever hear that? Well,

801
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,600
once you mentioned that, yeah,
and then I went and looked up

802
01:13:09,079 --> 01:13:14,000
the Quakers were also pioneers of social
justice, and they also have pretty large

803
01:13:14,039 --> 01:13:18,119
holdings in both banking and candy industries. Right, and that interesting, which

804
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:24,319
is a crazy cult. Quakers are
a lunatic cult. But and then they

805
01:13:24,399 --> 01:13:32,159
come across the like bohemian homeless poet
man. So it's very Greek dialoguey,

806
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:39,880
like one of those stories where it's
just about again about the conversation, and

807
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:44,000
then they come across these archetypes like
is the rich man happy or is the

808
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:47,199
poor man happy? Or is the
artist happen? Yeah, exactly, that's

809
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:53,560
a Plato's apology. Yeah, and
yeah, so for those in the chat,

810
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:58,479
this is actually a trilogy. So
there's before Sunrise, and then there's

811
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:02,800
before Sunset nine years later, which
is supposed to I think signify the ten

812
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,600
years Okay that they were going to
meet, right, So they meet up

813
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:11,199
again, and I've not seen the
sequel, so I don't know whether this

814
01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:16,680
is any good or I definitely want
that black man to teach me yoga though

815
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,920
I know that much. But yeah, So then they meet up again ten

816
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:29,560
years later to have again this conversation, and the whole trilogy is critically acclaimed,

817
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,000
so all the critics and a lot
of people, especially gen X people,

818
01:14:32,039 --> 01:14:35,159
they like this trilogy. Again,
I haven't seen two and three,

819
01:14:35,279 --> 01:14:39,800
so I don't know where the story
goes. I do think they end up

820
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:45,000
together at some point though, because
I think in the third one they're reflecting

821
01:14:45,119 --> 01:14:54,920
on their relationship. So what's the
third one called after something after Before Sunrise?

822
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:03,560
I don't know anyway, the third
one came out not that long ago,

823
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:15,239
before Midnight for Midnight twenty thirteen.
Yeah, so anyway, so,

824
01:15:15,319 --> 01:15:20,079
yeah, he's skeptical of romance and
so they still have like lives to live

825
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:28,359
before they can what take on the
responsibility of families and stuff like that.

826
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:36,800
Well, I think the gen X
were at the stage of being afraid of

827
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:43,960
things that shouldn't really be be fearful, like marriage and children is not this

828
01:15:44,119 --> 01:15:49,119
thing to be deathly afraid of.
And the movies were presenting this as like

829
01:15:49,319 --> 01:15:58,760
this traumatic experience, right, and
that the Boomers hadn't sufficiently gone through you

830
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,600
know, philosophical rooms nations about how
to face these things. Then that was

831
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,239
their mistake. So we as gen
X are going to be smarter. We're

832
01:16:05,279 --> 01:16:10,039
gonna read Heidegger and we're gonna read
Jean Paul Sartre and we're gonna figure out

833
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:12,800
how to handle these things better than
them. We're gonna go to film school

834
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,159
and we're gonna go to film school
and we're gonna know authenticity, and we're

835
01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:19,960
gonna know like what what reality is? Man? Not this fake corporate thing,

836
01:16:20,199 --> 01:16:24,720
right, But it was all a
fake corporate funded revolution. Yeah,

837
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:28,159
so the rebellion, even of the
gen X is still like this corporate controlled

838
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:33,399
opposition thing. Yeah. She even
makes a comment she says she thinks rebellion

839
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,119
is good, but she doesn't know
what that means. Why. Yeah,

840
01:16:36,359 --> 01:16:42,039
it's good, but why I don't
know. So anyway, Yeah, I

841
01:16:42,079 --> 01:16:46,479
think that summarizes these alt comms,
dramedies, all dramedies. They summarize the

842
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:51,439
essence of the psyche of the the
gen x. But clearly the best of

843
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:58,439
all these would be for that would
be before sunrise and then reality bites.

844
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,199
The rest of these are kind of
stupid. We'll have to watch the next

845
01:17:01,239 --> 01:17:06,680
two of them. Got a machine
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much vaunted, much sought after philosophy
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got this page up. We are
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some of the first people in the
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say, for my part, it's
not philosophy one o one. I think

880
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this is as mistitling. I really
think is as like philosophy unleashed. Because

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a philosophy want on one course,
they give you kind of some useless information

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that you can't make sense of.
Jay actually lay out over twelve weeks,

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dozens and dozens of hours put into
just the presentation of this let alone the

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hundreds and thousands of hours of research
that it takes to have a coherent evolution

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and history of the origins of philosophy, the uses of philosophy, the different

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ways to look at it over time, and how that has been brought about

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to what we have today, which
is almost an absence of philosophy on the

888
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object. Oh Man, we had
that. We had that muta the whole

889
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time. I apologize Ellie five dollars
was George Clooney movie from Dussell Don was

890
01:22:46,039 --> 01:22:50,319
a Quentin Tarantino movie. Correct,
And Salma Hayek was the vampire s a

891
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villain, that is correct. L
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892
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false memories and our foundations. Yes, I've covered the m c I talks

893
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in Culture Talks because that was a
Martin Orn was connected to CI and that

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was a front for disinformation and deflecting
away from people who were reporting real sra

895
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stuff. Brell of the second three
dollars, you want to read that one.

896
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It seems as if gen X and
others in the West were all subconsciously

897
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expecting some kind of end of the
world at Ono two thousand, hence their

898
01:23:26,039 --> 01:23:30,760
nihilism and apathy and bad existentialism.
But when the world didn't end. This

899
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:35,079
led everyone to live even less responsibly. It makes me think of that Ray

900
01:23:35,239 --> 01:23:44,079
Fine angela Bassett Matrix ish sci fi
movie, What is it Last Day's Last

901
01:23:44,199 --> 01:23:49,800
Day? Because that's kind of the
theme of that movie, right, that

902
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:54,960
the world's going to end Strange Days. Excuse me, excuse me, it's

903
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:04,000
Strange Days. I remember falling asleep
in the theater at this movie. Yeah,

904
01:24:04,319 --> 01:24:16,640
this is it, and it's like
a yeah, nero, the kind

905
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of young rave Fine is he looks
It almost looks like Bradley Cooper. Yeah,

906
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wow, But yeah, in Strange
Days, right, it's like a

907
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Matrix spinoff type of thing. You
got the same thing going on where well,

908
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:36,560
it's actually a pre matrix because Matrix
is like ninety eight, but it's

909
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,680
supposed to be the end of the
world. And then, of course I

910
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don't think the end of the world
doesn't actually in the world, but the

911
01:24:45,159 --> 01:24:50,119
the matrix definitely, I would say
pulls from this movie. Thank you guys

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And you have shows coming up with
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920
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:30,479
what the heck is going on at
the UN? Yeah, you were telling

921
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:34,319
me it's some sort of cosmic sexual
something, some weird thing that the UN

922
01:25:34,399 --> 01:25:40,239
has now decided to promote. It
doesn't make any sense to me, but

923
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,600
I don't think it's supposed to make
sense. You'll never understand it with your

924
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:45,479
mind. You just have to feel
it. You have to feel it.

925
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:53,159
Okay, follow your heart, yes, follow your heart whatever. Anyway,

926
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everybody have a good night and follow
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