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Oh, look at all the neutrals in here. That would be a good
slur for the swizzy fucking neutral. Fucking you feel like filthy casual. You're
just like a filthy neutral. Yeah, I kind of love that. That's
a why they're not neutral. No, they're pro gold, they're pro money.
Yeah, Swiss, the Jews all along if you if you're new to
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I'm really sorry for that. You're new to the show. Rob just
had another kid, and his first kid is a bitch. Yeah. Yeah,
he got sick with the virus and he has a misshaped head and he's
a lot get sick. What are you talking about? He did have a
misshapen head. You're right, you're right about that. Are related? That's
only because he was well, probably, yeah, probably, that's good.
Yeah, that was a good one. That's that's somewhere between third right there.
That it's not fucking around it. God d don't take That's all I'm
saying, Rob, you already discouraged her from that. I've said on the
show before. She was like, should we be doing twenty three and me?
Would that be fun? Nope, that I wouldn't be fun to find
out how related we are? You know who? You know what? Not
a risk factor at all with me and my wife? Yeah? No,
definitely not no, not at all. Yeah me too, me and my
wife. Yeah, you're definitely. You don't know that yet. It doesn't
exist. I hope you end up banging his sister you never knew you had,
Okay, that's why that's my real wish for you. It's one of
those like just tragic stories where true love, that's where that's where you're wishing,
wants true love that's destroyed by taboo. Yeah, that was the whole
thing on Reddit not that long ago, where the girl found out they were
both adopted. Yeah they didn't know. Yeah, like six years later.
Yeah, Sad, I want your mom to have had a dumpster baby and
you just end up image, you know, clowing that okay, and you
find out, but you love her. It is the only woman you only
person you ever loved. Maybe Jester Prime, I've loved many a woman.
Dan's a hopeless romantic. Yes, Dan's loved harder than anyone in here.
We've made this comment before. This has come up on the pick is up
front. Yeah, he's the biggest lover in the room. He's the squishiest
one here. Yeah, just a hard exterior. I'm like a Tutsi pop.
Yeah. How many times as a woman have to lick you before you
get soft? Did you get to the center of Dan? You'll never sign
me get a bite through after the third lick. Yeah, that really is.
Dan's a big teeth guy, love teeth. The twoth er the better,
wouldn't for Dan? Why not? It wouldn't shock me. But actually
in high school, um sick, well high school going into college, someone
bit my lips so hard that it clogged kind of the salava glands, and
I had to get it removed, like I had a growth in my lip.
D Lord, Yeah, it wasn't fun. Did you Were they into
that? I guess they were. They were biters kind of like making out
and they bite your lip. I've had I had dealt with that once and
I was like, not a fan, it's it's actually horrific. And Okay.
I get to the point where I was like are you telling me no?
And like are you just not? Are you just this is a hot
start forever? I like, if you don't want, if you want to
stop, just say stop. And she was like no, no, no,
let's keep going. But then she were doing again and I'll be like,
well, no, I want to stop because this is a horrific and
I've had a girl recently do it and it kind of just like no,
no, my lip's gonna clog again. You're thinking about medical bills mhm.
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Last episode everyone, Yeah, yeah, this is it. This is
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weird playing a big thing. Yeah we're not cool man, Yeah no,
sorry, yeah I didn't think so. Anyway, let's get into this week's
episode. Yeah, shall we? Let's do it. So we've talked a
lot on this show about witches. Yes, you know, usually during Halloween
we have some great, spooky, actually very pro witch. Uh. Well,
well night witches, yes night, which is for sure. I mean
we're just pro. Like. Man, this bitches got thrown under the bus,
or before thrown under the cart. I suppose one of the rock put
on the wheel, puts to the wheel, puts it the stretch. I
was a dude put on the rock. I guess he was. Though.
Yeah, warlock. They didn't use that term though. It's lame. Why
not? I know, warlock a good word. Accuse me of being a
warlock. God damn it. Warlock is a dope word. Warlock Yeah,
yeah, that sounds terrifying. Fuck wizard, Wizard is cucked, Wizard is
Harry Potter, shit, Warlock, Warlock it, Warlock will fuck whatever is
on the cover of Iron Maiden album. So that's a Warlock. Yeah yeah,
Um, we talk a lot about witches. We haven't really done shows
on you know, stuff like unicorns or lepra cons um. But suffice it
to say we three Judeo Christian white guys from a Western country. Most of
our like both of our audience, we're really only familiar with the well known
Western creatures of and myths of folklore, cryptics like Bigfoot and or lepricons.
Oh yeah, lepricns. Oh you're talking to like even like a chopicabracabra for
sure. Yeah, yeah, lockness monster, that type of thing Western Europeans.
Right, So, initially I was gonna do this episode on a whole
host of ancient and medieval h Middle Eastern creatures. Oh right, I love
I love some cryptozoology from other parts of the world. Hey yeah, yeah.
But I started on the first one, and the first one's situation was
so vast that it became its own episode. Okay, so I have to
do another one on the other stuff because I was like, well, I
have to include this, but it ended up being so much and ended up
learning so much about it that I was like, well, it's the whole
thing, it's its own episode. Yeah, and even by the way,
this is this is softcore history, so I'm not gonna even do it justice.
Okay, like it is. I'm gonna have to revisit this on Halloween
because it is wild the amount of stuff about We can do a part two
ten months later. Can I guess what it is? Yes? Is that
a gin? Ye? Hell yeah, we're talking about gin today. I
actually know a lot about gin's. Do you really? I like so?
I donut of I kept dropping the words like I love cryptozoology. I love
that kind of shit, Like it's not that's more of it's more of a
Damon esque character in the Middle Eastern lore. Yeah, but I like all
of it. I'm a big conspiracy guy. Also, is a really it's
an overlapping circle with weird things that probably don't exist, like but I hope
they do. Yeah, they're cool. Do you know do you know what
a gin is? If I was to take a guess or actually I use
that wrong, gin is the plural? Do you know what gin? R
G N r yeah, j I n n. Do you know what I
think about the sound of the word. What do you think It sounds like
mmmm, like a demon. The singular form of the word is ginny Italians
guinea. Yeah, someone who It's like a gift dude from Jersey gift or
Jeff situation. Look at these ginnies, all these fucking game Uh, it's
okay because Dan's not a Italian. Yeah, yeah, do you have any
idea? No, they're genies, genies. Have you ever seen Aladdin bro
ah, yes, yes, yes, yes smith, yeah, yes,
yes, yes, the originals first one. No other genie's out there,
no, none. Well, actually, that is the most famous gin in
in history. It's from Arabian Nights. Right, It's called one hundred and
one Night something like that. Yeah, but yeah, that is the most
famous gin and genie whatever you want to call it. Although it's funny in
the original story, I guess like Aladdin pulls a lamp out of the sea
or a bottle out of the sea and like opens it and the gin pops
out, and he's like, someone put me in here, and I'm blaming
you and I'm gonna fuck you up. And then Aladdin is like, oh
no, let me tell you about myself. And then the Gin is like,
oh all right, you seem Cooluh, I'm just gonna make the rest
of your life cool. Aladdin has soft skills. What Aladdin has soft skills?
He's able to have a conversation. Yeah, yeah, he's like,
hey man, listen, so Gin, even though we know him as a
genie genie from Aladdin, Basically they are not specifically genies like we know.
They're kind of more like a weird combination of like lepre cons and ghosts and
demons and angels. I would like honestly compare it like mostly to not like
culturally, but mostly in concept to like a damon from like Irish or Gaelic.
Okay, Like it's it's kind of like a presence, but it can
physically manifest too, Yes, it's it covers a lot of bases. Actually,
yeah, is it Atpa. It's not Autulpa. That's a mental thing.
They do fuck with you mentally though, Yeah, but Atlpa is a
projection from Autopa is a mentally created project. Okay. Yeah, a lot
of people think UFOs are mass Tulpa's probably yeah, why not, Like,
yeah, it's just people collectively believing in enough for something to appear in this
What is the new term social uap no no, but with social contagion.
Oh um, it's for like trance stuff and COVID stuff. Oh I social
contagion is I think a big one. Oh well, we'll say which would
fit the UFO thing you're talking about? Kind Yeah, but the top idea
is that it it's actually real, but it's created by a group mindset.
Oh, it's real, but create by group. Yeah. Oh okay,
that's it's like you manifest it into the reality like it's it's something that a
bunch of people witnessinger like it's something that you that's sick. Basically, like
rainbows don't exist without a viewer, UFOs don't exist without people. Like it's
a manifestation. All right. Yeah, so your wife could be a tulpa.
Yeah, anything could be a tulpa. Mm hmm. I suppose disappointed
In my mind, it just means you're fucking that actually makes you when you
said it? Wow, just kidding. She didn't listen. Everything I say
is because her dad does. Though her dad literally, uh, Maynie,
what's up? Uh? Literally? Like we were tired this week and it's
like you sounded good of the podcast, sound like we'ren't sick anymore or whatever,
and I was like, oh, thanks good. I was like,
oh fuck, maybe pops in for like five minutes. So we have like
a kind of a barrier, I think. So I think we're just I
think I'm just fucked anyway. So fice to say the jen or not specifically
genies, like we know, that's kind of a oversimplification or an outright fictionalization
of what they really are. Um, they're kind of more like I said,
weird Comma that they are tricksters to an extent, and they can grant
wishes or give you wealth or whatever, and they're invisible. They're also said
to inspire poetry and art and like architect sharing and stuff like that. There's
actually an Arabic word for a poet inspired by a gin, which I appreciate
because I want to know whose work is playdiarized. Yeah, stealing from other
worldly? Yeah, it's a shot ear. That's an Arabic literature poet who
was supernaturally inspired by jin Asa Kutierza whatever. He would say that jin like
essentially wrote the verses in his head. So fuck that guy. Yeah,
that doesn't write his own shit. Oh so he was a chat GPT Yeah
yeah, Jin or chat GPT. Actually that's what the g and chat gpt
sits where So it's a it's a jif yeah, Jin genie. Yeah,
well Jin starts with a D, doesn't it a j jo. You can
also there's a difference between gin and jigen or whatever or like bad gin.
Yeah. I think that's what I know more about. Yeah, yeah,
but they are the origin. Yeah, we'll get into it. It's really
an interesting So Gin are creatures that are made of smokeless fire, and they
are this is the best part. This is the craziest part of their whole
fucking existence, all right. They are specifically acknowledged as existing in the Quran.
It is a Muslim belief that Gin exists. Not only do Muslims believe
they exist, but they believe they were created before mankind. Angels were created
on Wednesday. The Gin were created on Thursday, humans on Friday, although
not like in succession of a day. It's like a thousand years between or
whatever. And here's the thing Gin are. They're like humans, like they're
subject to Allah's will or Allah's judgment and stuff like that they can be good
or bad all that stuff. So essentially, not essentially literally, the Muslim
belief is that humans exist, but there is another life form on Earth.
Yeah, there's it is invisible. It's an ethereal life form. Yeah,
it's ethereal. It's it's between human and angel. Not only that interdimensional.
Yeah, basically, I mean DM elves possibly kind of. I mean,
if you subscribe to the belief that most religion is predicated from the consumption of
like ergot poisoning or like bad mushrooms or poorly stored grain, DMT elves wouldn't
be that crazy. And also like what, Yeah, Muslims just tacked onto
the classic Judeo Christian canon, and why wouldn't they add another thing which was
their own thing. Yeah? It was a gin pre date is Islam.
It was an it's a cultural thing. It was an Arabic thing for well,
we'll get into that. I could do that. Okay, So not
only do Muslims believe, yeah, they believe they's before being kind, but
Orthodox this is my favorite part actually about Chin and Muslims. Orthodox Abouslim scholars
to say, you literally with your human brain cannot understand Gin so I just
don't even try. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I
mean, like your monkey brain won't get it. Just trust us. I
mean that's kind of the same thing with God and angels. That's he right,
like don't don't doesn't like God speak through angels because his voice would shatter
your skull. That is in Dogma, like the movie Dogma. See all
of my all my biblical knowledge is from pop culture. Yeah, yeah,
so I think God has spoken to people in the Bible of many, many
times. Yeah, you're right. And actually in Dogma he talked to Moses.
Alan Rickman is essentially like every tolling though. I think that's speaking the
gold that you know, I was speaking to me at Tron. Yeah,
he talked to Moses quite a bit. He talked to Adam and Eve.
It not talks to people in the Bible. Yeah, he did talk,
and the Dogma kind of reconsit. You know why Moses didn't get into paradise.
He was like a dick for eight seconds. He's a dick. He
just doubted God for like not getting water out of a rock. Well,
I mean you've seen him do all the other stuff, right know, like
how you can get water out of the rock. You're fucking you made the
rock, You made water, you made everything. That's a classic Jewish movie.
Though, I say, can't you what if he was what if he
was just trying to like gas up got all of it? Is like,
I don't know, man, can't you do it? Like you cain't getting
in? I think you can't? Like he checked, let's go. He
did get in eventually when Jesus came around. He had to wait quite a
way outside the gates, like a hobo chi gate. He's a squatter.
It's still a hobo. Yeah he squatted. Yeah. I mean like it's
not like bad. It's pretty nice outside the The immediacy of outside of the
gate of a country club is not a bad place to say. You just
think. Think of Moses outside of the pearly gates pushing a shopping cart.
Yeah, like he's got a ten. He's just waiting for the gate tho
open, man, he's trying to get that first floor seat, and he's
like, oh my god, get a version. Pregnant already. The Lord
was taking so long? Why are you taking so long? Are you still
a thousand years? But you pulled the water out of a stone. But
you can't knock up abroad. Come on, just do it, um.
So, telling Gin stories and recounting alleged encounters with them is a cat that
is as old as older than Islam. Okay, like Gin stories are ghost
stories to Middle Easterners, I would say specifically Muslims now in particular, but
the Arabian Peninsula especially, like that is a very very common thing according to
the reports of the Huddism. You know, gin need to eat. Like
again, these are living things. They can die. They live thousands of
years, but they can die. They need sustenance. They fuck, they
kids everything they do eat, but instead of fresh food like humans, they
prefer rotten flesh and just I guess straight up bones cool, it's more efficient.
So it's like vulture. They're yeah, get yeah, they're they're ghost
vultures. Fun. And though they're usually invisible, they do like to show
up sometimes in the form of a snake, scorpion, lizard, spider,
or human. One of those is super different than the others. What about
a scorpion king, he could be he could have been a gin. Yeah
yeah, gin. And like I said before, and this is the craziest
part, to me, they're not inherently good or bad. They're basically like
any other sentient. They're the other sentient being that lives on earth. They're
subject to God and as judgment. They are also Christian and Jewish gins.
They can be whatever religion they want. They can be atheists, they can
be atheist Gins just ghost beyond all comprehension. Why does the gin existence?
They answer to, No, it's the most powerful. Muslims believe that Muslim
gin that are Muslim are are are good. They're benign. Christian and Jewish
gin are evil indifferent unless angered. And then pagan gin or evil pig and
gin. Yeah, I don't want to fuck with pagan You want to with
a pagan gene, dude, like a gin that believes in odin? Yeah,
war genies, fucking battle? Yeah. No, you want to Vike
a Viking made of fire? Basically literally yeah, pass bad news. Yeah.
Um, here's a fun one gin One thing they're very famous for,
although it is hotly debated amongst Muslim scholars over the years. Over the centuries,
gin can possess human beings and have to be exercised out. Okay the
victim, Oh, dude, can I guess how they do it. You
can guess, or you'll get wrong, but you can guess. Do they
play kind of a flute like a snake, like a snake charmer, like
a snake charmer. I appreciate you immediately going to the most racist possible suggestion,
But do they know they don't They don't charm the gin out. You'll
actually really like how they get the gin out. They fuck it, You'll
like it, Okay, all right? So first off, the victim has
to be predisposed for possession, so dead, they have to be now,
be in a state of weakness, feelings of insecurity, mental instability, shit,
unhappy, or in love. If they're in love, so all of
us, but not I guess that love being fulfilled. They're in love with
someone, but they're necessarily getting back. Ah got it, So you got
his ass? Oh, Rob coterpoint. Uh. They can possess people also
who've insulted them. For example, if someone has trodden upon the children of
gin or thrown hot water on a gin, they'll jump inside. They'll jump
up inside you. I mean, if you see a fire and you have
a thing of water and it happens to be hot, that's a way to
I guess get gin away. It's a sprinkle hot water, their fire shoe,
gin shoo. Yeah. Yeah. Uh so they're two ways the exercise
two exercise the gin. The first way is reading the Koran over over a
possessed percourse. The other one I think you'd enjoy um, is beating the
gin out of the person. Yes, yeah, this is very gin.
So essentially you just beat the shit out of someone until the gin leaves.
Well, I'm gonna beat the gin out of you. Start doing that now,
it's called a fist fever. Okay, you know what I mean.
Okay, Okay, you make you make the bodies so unlivable for the Okay.
Is this not a very long standing, deeply culturally normatively way to just
beat people until they're normal? Is this not just like supernatural bullying? It's
like, oh, you're possessed, bro, you're saying all that weird shit
in town. You're clearly possessed saying weird shit. That's what that is.
I'm gonna say it right now, that's what that is. That's what like
fucking h God, It's like it's fairies, right. The fairies would take
the the baby and replace it with a bad baby, yeah, because it
cries too much. Yeah, and that was like a weird way, like
when the mother would like, we gotta get rid of it. It's like,
oh, fairies took it, but she doesn't have like postpartum depression in
the fucking eleven hundreds, right, fairies took the real it's the real basis
it is shitty baby. Yeah, we got thrown out and sorry, we
already lost our baby. This one's bullshit. Yeah. There's a lot of
supernatural shit around doing terrible things. Because we can't comprehend it, we got
to justify it. Yeah. Well it's like against like think about if it
predates Islam. It's not like what six hundred five hundred, you're beating people
for being weird. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. All sorts of mental illnesses
were blamed on Gin, of course, from minor ones to obviously the big
ones were all like, oh the Gin hopped up in there. Listen,
this is why they're the best fighters in the world right now, all those
dudes from dagasm. Now, but are they inspired by a good gin goodin
fighting for them? I think Kabiba is the good Gin. Yeah, and
he's training everybody how he might be a ship he might be. Yeah.
Um, well, by the way, the way they justified this was they
believed that the people they were beating the shit out of didn't feel the pain,
only the gin felt the pain. Yeah, this which I feel like
there's a lot of like immediate evidence to prove otherwise. You know, this
still happens, right, oh one hundred No, I mean like, and
it's across culture. It's like whatever your word for it is, like if
it's a demon or anything. Like a lady just got found in Africa tied
to a fucking post. She'd been left there for two weeks and died because
they're like, oh, well she had a demon in her. Yeah,
demon in her. It's like she's possessed, she's being weird. Yeah yeah,
well what was she wearing? I'm weird? I don't know. Yeah,
that'll do it. Yeah, I had to be a demon. It's
always a demon. Yeah, it's always something I really, I really just
the most interesting part of being alive right now to me, really is that
by your kids, not your wife, nothing, nothing personal. Just go
ahead this point. No, No, it's obviously this note. Yeah,
this has been true to a certain extent. I guess probably always, but
it really feels like, aside from certain technology that is just pervasive everywhere,
you can go to different cultures and really view the past. What do you
mean, Well, yeah, there's like you go to Afghanistan, you're looking
at the past. Go to Saudi Arabia. Oh yeah you're looking You're not,
No, Saudi Arabia is the future. Yeah, they're vision twenty thirty.
I'm sorry. A city that's a mile or whatever it is, twelve
miles or is that is that it's like ten feet wide and like miles long
sixth Street forever. You can culturally view like different points in human history still
to this day, Like it is just fascinating to me. And I'm not
saying that we're like morally better than anyone, but what I'm saying is it
like you are. Yeah, I mean we are morally better than some people,
certainly, but like you can really just go see how people still behave
how they did two hundred years ago whatever that doesn't make them look savage and
something like that or whatever, but like you can really just see like how
people behaved in different timelines or in different time West Virginia. Yes, yeah,
it's not just not in America or it's not only in other places.
It's fascinating, like people behave culturally like some things have not. I it
was like the holdovers, like the things that have stayed despite the development of
technology. Yeah, sure you could see, like really fascinating. Yeah,
I mean I actually the omist eras the Amish is a perfect point to that.
It's like that's how people like when the Amish decided on that ship.
Yeah, that's you have a fucking freeze frame on it. And dude,
you can you know what, if you want to live in that form of
society to an extent, that's okay unless you're like actually hurting other people,
which tyking woman to a pool for being weird. Yeah, but the Amish
don't. The Amash just make butter. I mean, there's a lot of
things to be said about the Amish kind of love it is. It is
just very interesting. Like you can go from your strip Mall two, you
can go fly to somewhere that culturally and socially behaves the way they behave three
hundred, five hundred years ago. You can do that, like it's Tharni
Arabia is a perfect example of that. Like you'll see si Arabia is not
a perfect example that I dude, Dad is they are behaving in a way.
MBS is all about the future. Dog. Dan's a big live golf
guy. He is a big yeah, the biggest Yeah. Um. Anyway
back to Thomas, let's go back to the gym. Yeah, they do
you not usually metal and human affairs, and they prefer to live in their
own tribes kind of away from things. Although the powers of gin are more
powerful than human clearly humans. However, even though they are that it is
conceivable that a man could kill a gin A ginny in single combat did have
to abide by like non supernatural laws, but they lose their their ability to
actually fight, be invisible, be made of fire. They're not predator an
a man can kill a ginny, but they they're still predator. Okay,
Well, the last Predator movie showed that a Native American chick could kill predator
without modern weapons. Right now, that was a good Predator movie. It
was I like that. Yeah, but you know a lot of people are
gonna hate on it, stupid. It's a good movie. Had to be
a chick, it had to be like a fucking native. Gave me anyone
that bitches like that would also get their ass kicks by like a Native American
chick bag. Fucking yeah, probably fucking Just enjoy the movie. It's fucking
Predator, Lord, just enjoy Predator. Also, they made a connection with
the other Predator movies. Yeah, the pistol she had was from Predator too.
It's a good Predator movie. Yeah, it's Joe Um. Interaction between
man or woman and gin is discouraged in Islam, Like I said, ginner
in the Koran because they came from pagan Middle Eastern pre Islamic traditions. So
it's kind of like a Christmas tree situation. I suppose you could say,
yeah, right, help help convert people. What a terrible way to help
convert people. Oh, we still got gens, We got the monsters.
Don't worry. Do they tell you the best way to fight at gin?
They do not. There are different ways too. You're not supposed to interact
with them, so stop trying to fight them. But if you're gonna combat
with them, you can kill a gin. I assume they can kill anyone
else, like a person. Do you get like props for that? Yeah?
If you killed a gin, you're Jenny. You're gonna be a badass.
Okay, I don't know if like you get cloud, you do get
a cloud for killing a Jenny for sure, Okay, I mean that's why
I'm doing it. You're gonna kill a Jenny? What kind you're a flying
to to kill? Agin me? Any Islama country? Really? But you
want to go? Probably to the Arabian Peninsula Okay, Turkey, huh.
You know they do believe in Jenny. But I think you're gonna be better
off like Jordan's Saudi Arabia, rock Jordan and good to Jordan. They're an
ally. I would do Jordan if you want an easy Jenny kill. I
think Jordan's the way to go. Yeah. Plus, what is that a
one kind of old temple they have? Is that Petra? The one in
Indiana Jones and the last week? Yeah? Yeah, I would probably just
roll up the Petra Petra, find a Jenny, get it done. Yeah,
Jordan sounds like the move. Yeah, all right, Petri's legit.
Let's take a trip to Jordan. No, I would actually go to Jordan.
Go to Jordan. Jordan or Jack Mandeville talks that he has nothing but
high praise for guys. Do you want me with you. In jordan'd be
all right. You're gonna be fine in Georgia. You have someone in Tennessee
snift you out who knows what Geordanian will do. They're not Jordan in cab
Maybe don't wear those glasses. I'll just be handed a bullet as they get
off a plane. You do this the easy way or the easier way.
You're called you. Um. What's interesting about Jeannie, though, is that
they might not even be Arabic. They might be Semitic. Oh, of
course they are, since the term gin appears to be not Arabic but of
Aramaic origin. Um, it might be Aramaic origin. It is pre Islamic
period in Islamic doctrine. However, this is one of my favorite things.
Satan is a gin. Oh okay, So what happens is there is a
gin comes the devil. His name is Iblis, and he's Semitic. So
this is the root of They don't believe he's semantic, says the rude fantast
Semitic origin. But he's Arabic as far as the oka um. In the
Quran, Iblis the gin refuses to worship Adam about Addam to prostrate himself to
the image of Adam because Adam see image of Alva. Well yeah, well
kind of so Iblis wouldn't worship Adam because Allah made you know, Iblis out
of fire, right, right? If I was made of fire, I'm
not worshipping and made of clay. Yeah right, yeah. So literally he
was like Adams made of mud, I'm Biblis, and then a woman that's
made of mc rib right, I'm fucking made of fire. So fuck no,
I'm not worshiping this mud person. Yeah. So it Bliss got Itbliss
was like, They're like, well, you're the devil now sucks. Yeah,
well that's how it goes. You're the incarnate of evil. Yeah,
because he wouldn't bow God sucks. I mean if I was made of fire,
yeah, you didn't bend the knee. Got to govern yourself. If
we're all small government people here, which I just become ungovernable, that's right.
Be fire, be fire, baby made fire? Jicks love a dangerous
dude? What's more dangerous? Bruce Lee said, be fire, my friend,
be fire. Yeah. Uh. According to um In mom Muslim,
a nineteenth century Persian Islamic scholar, Itblis had five sons. They're the identa
of their mother. Totally unclear, don't regla mom. Yeah, could be
five different mom or all we know. Sure, way the devil goes.
Each of them is a master in creating, you know, specific troubles.
They're all at least half gin if not full gin um one of them cause
it causes physical injuries, tear suit or missuit, spreads lies. Uh Zomber
encourages dishonest business transactions. So there's specifically a shady business one. Yeah,
m hmm. What's his faith? See Arabic too, doesn't sound like it.
He is he Muslim? Zomberstein Mark Somberstein Again, I'm Jewish. It's
fine. Um, Yeah, anyway going uh Awar encourages adultery and seduction and
does seem is just an asshole. I guess no, one's just a dick.
Yeah, it just says he plays his biggest role. Uh sick.
But it's really interesting to me, mostly that Muslims. I still overall like
I didn't know this, that the Koran written in the fucking seven hundreds,
right, they're literally like there are two sentient beings living on earth. Yeah,
humans and gin like they use both and and By the way, the
Gin are interdimensional, they're not angels us. How do we get the short
end of the stick on that one? I fucking know right, Like we
could have been interdimensional. And by the way, there's this whole thing about
how the Gin there were a multiple Gin that lived there, like gim Gin
and Tin and Dan or something like that, and the ginn are made of
fire, the other ones made of other things. And the Gin eventually like
beat the other ones and lived on Earth. And then all I was just
like, I'm putting humans here too. We just like they won the Earth
Earth. And then all I was like, I'm putting other people on new
game. Yeah, yeah, that's lame, and it's lame. I'd be
mad, would you be mad? Mh, I'd probably find him if we
killed all the other animals. God was like putting more right, like you're
a Native American coming to North America. Kill all the super lions, right,
all the eight foot owls. All, yeah, I'm putting white people
here. And then yeah, there was like you know what I'm saying,
you know some white people. Yeah that cool? Unfair? God, yeah,
not cool. Thanks for clearing the grounds setting up a shop. Yeah,
thanks for leveling everything. Um so, like I said, gin are
interdimensional, right, which is really fucking fascinating? How so yeah, are
you kidding me? What's what? What are other dimensions? Like, I've
never seen one. So one thing they were able to use their powers for
or whatever is they They used to be able to creep right up to the
outside of Heaven, right up outside of Heaven's walls, hanging with Moses.
Yeah, yea, so maybe it wasn't so fun outside of Heaven for Moses.
Like these guys are here the fire. Who are these assholes? Why
am I not in here? He's just there with the sticky talking them away.
So they used to be able to creep. Maybe he has one of
those like Swiss is a swiffer, No, the Swiss guards the pike.
Yeah, he's got a spear. I mean he's a he's a bronze age
No, he's just like a little shank. Yeah, he's a bronze age
figure. Like it's not it's not that extravagant, it's not that cool.
So Jane used to be able to creep, ride up outside of heaven and
eavesdrop on angels. Okay, get all the good gossip. Kind of yeah,
it's better than goss. They would take all the hot goss that they
heard back to Earth and uh use it to lie to psychics. But so
they can funk with humans. That's kind of quoi, wouldn't you. Yeah?
Yeah, so these psychics that were like I can hear, just like,
let's tell them like half of it. Let's let's muddy the water.
You're not be to believe it. Like we need some truth there. Yeah,
yeah, you put like a little bit of you put a little bit
of truth. The gin's like the CIA and what they choose to be classify.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll get some Uh that German pipeline,
it was a Russian pipeline. We definitely blew it up. You tell me,
did we? Well it was for Germany though, right, it was
to just get them off the teat. Yeah we did that. Yeah,
we did that. You're welcome, And honestly, it's for the best.
Sometimes he's gotta. You gotta throw your kids in the deep end, right,
is it for the best? You gotta sometimes you gotta throw your kid
in the deep end. I could think of throwing kidding the deep end was
my kid took a dump in the top night oh, I haven't cleaned it
yet. I was just sitting there, sitting there because I had to come
here to do it. Was diarrhea too. Is that why you were drunk
when you got here? I wasn't drunk when I got here, a little
bit more drunk than usual. I was zero percent of drunk when I got
here. Well, talking about guys, it's okay. I would tell you
if I was like, I would be like, yeah, I had a
couple. I'm not lying about it. You stumbled into this studio, you
felt a few times, it's gonna paint it like you? Just fucking sure
which I met? Pass that? Guys? What we like did want about
the future? Your car is currently wrapped around the basketball hoop in the back.
That would be funny. Gin did it? Bob and Gin? Yeah?
So? Uh? Well they used to speaking of Gin, yeah,
they used to go up to heaven right outside the walls and listen and focus
sex whatever. However, after the Koran was written, uh and revealed him
I'm sorry, not even written revealed to Mohammed. Anytime a Gin would try
to do that again, God would shoot meteors at them. It's missile command,
and they wouldn't they weren't able to do it anti aircraft Yeah yeah,
try to get up there and God would just fucking toss meteors out. You
think we got the iron Dome just out of our own heads. It's now,
there's precedent for that. Meteorites, it's right, a part of the
Koran, Like, what if we could do that with missiles? Yeah?
I had to be that. Yeah, that's it, and all people pissed
today. It's good. Oh God, yeah, not good. So the
gin they're known to creep into homes, can cause problems with family, especially
in marriages like husband and wife. They like to break up the family structure,
which is apparently if you got cooked by a gin, you can literally
they can fuck humans. You can get cocked by a gin' just walking on
your wife sucking a gin, fucking a fire far cock. I mean,
she's never gonna go back to you. Never you care. He's fire,
You're not fire, he's fire. Yeah, how do you? How do
you come back from that? No? You never do. Might do you
a favor though, Cleaning it up downstairs burns the hair off well, and
certainly you have to think any diseases in there HPVs gone disintegrated with a fire.
Penis be thankful. Thankful? What if actually all of our diseases affected
them way too much, Like Gin had no immunity to her pies and that
just killed them all. Like herpies just ravaged the Gin community. You don't
hear about them anymore here, just like in the desert in Saudi Arabia,
it's like, yeah, like al Capone in prison. Yeah, it's like
a funny thing. People live with this, but yeah, you guys die.
You can't handle it, you know, human, Yeah, that's how
you do you fight. I guess that's when you would actually fight. To
Jenna's you see him rail out your girl. Probably jin wins though, Yeah
that's fire and it's already horned up and everything. Yeah, so Iblis the
devil considers breaking up marriages is his greatest victory. Nice. There's actually a
story that has repeated a lot in um Islamic forums about a sawdy man who
uh read this How funk was the book called? I have it up here?
I was going to make it part of my image. That is common
though in a lot of other religions of just like God's coming down and kind
of fucking your lady. Yeah, dude, Zeus Zeus fucked everything it.
Yeah, yeah, God did it? Oh weird to Joseph, God did
it? It's strange cook somebody. Oh, it's the Son of Knowledge is
the name of the book. Somebody read it. A Saudi man read it
and he married a female gin, because using that book can make you kind
of command gin to do what you want. Your female gins too. I
forgot about that. Yeah, there's boy and girl jins. Oh my god,
I would try to make it worse. It's a female gin. Probably
you know this is you would probably Yeah, honestly, in in like eight
months, if we go back to Lonesome Dove and you just bring a female
gin for the fucking just bring a fire to our like year anniversary or whatever.
Yeah, for the company the LLC. Yes, like this my new
girlfriend. She is a mythical character. Yeah. She will turn invisible or
into a scorpion at anytime. Her name's Jinny. You never know, be
funny if I do bring a Jenny a Ginny. Yeah, I gotta find
a Genny with for the party with Redhead. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
are we going Harry Potter? Now? Is that the Oh well, no,
I was just thinking because fire red hair. Oh yeah, well,
Jinny Weasley, I just now made that. Um. It is interesting though,
there's a book that controls them, that tells you how to control them.
It's a black that was so that's a black magic book that was gonna
be part of my story. My episode this week was this Islamic black magic
book. However, there was so much with the Gin that I just couldn't.
Again, interesting similarities in Judeo Christian lore. You have the Greater and
Lesser Keys of Solomon, which are black magic books on how they control demon.
Solomon fucks with Gin a lot. Yeah, well Solomon will be mentioned
later. Okay, I'm excited. So I mean it's my boy, my
absolute boy, King Solomon. He probably didn't exist, but uh sure.
So the Sawdi man used the book married a female Gin, but he already
had a wife, and that Gin was like fuck that fuck her killed his
human wife, his parents and his parents in law. Wow, you don't
fuck. You shouldn't really fuck with gin. Islam literally tells you not to.
However, it's a big voice crack. Sorry. Oh okay, okay,
canins date other gin's Yeah, didn't usually breathe with l Gin that's that's
one Islamic poet wrote about having sex with the gin. I'll dude, cucking
some gin's girl could have been a single, single lady. We don't know
it could have been. But like I'm saying, that's the ultimate cucking you
gin. You don't want to cuck a gin? Is that that other gin?
Oh that's gonna gonna fuck you up? Worth it? Yeah? But
then the other gin that you're having sex with, maybe she protects you maybe
or maybe she realizes you're a little bitch boy human and fire guy. I
don't know, what if you you made the gin come? What if he's
like ugly fire? Oh? Yeah? What if he's not hot, Like
he's just it's not hot. He's not hot, not hot. Yeah,
he has like penal issues, can't get it up. He's putting a little
pencil in you, slapping around bussy. Yeah, he's just he's not well
hung. Yeah, he's too thin. And again we talked about the Patreon,
but I'm telling you a thin penis is more upsetting than too big of
a penis. Too thin of a penis would be the most upsetting version of
a penis. Glad this transcends both It does. It's nonsense dimensions like this
guy wrote about it. Can I read you his poem about having sex with
a gin? Yeah, it's called How I Met the Ghoul. Okay,
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the show I Lay upon Her through the night that in the morning, I
might see what had come to me. Bold two eyes in a hideous head,
like the head of a cat, split tongued legs like a deformed fetus.
So he's just getting bottom of the barrel pussy at last call. Yeah,
the back of a dog, which I don't even really know what that
means. Close the haircloth or worn out skin. She had a tail.
Yeah, so, uh, fetis legs some of you imagine like they're probably
doing it missionary, Like he's probably just fucking missionary. Fetis legs slapping on
his back. What it's fetis legs slapping on your back? Yeah, I
doubt it gets your back, Yeah, your bag like slapping on the side
of your hips, slapping your hips. Yeah, fetis legs slapping your hips
like a little chicken wing. Uh, it's a literal cat had split tongue.
I don't know to split tongues, the least upsetting part the like,
yeah, that snake tongue. Yeah, that might be. That might That's
that's almost interesting. Yeah, I could, I could. I could entertain
that even the cat head, I suppose, Like, but the fetis legs,
you're pedophile feel legs. It's Grossum However, offspring of human gin gin
relationships are considered to be incredibly gifted and talented people, to the point where
like say you're like a great h Muslim soccer player or something like that,
people might be like, no, I think one of his ancestus might be
a gin. Mm so maybe Hibbiba is not a gin but the product of
a gin. Yes, totally. Yes. Believers in Gin sometimes credit these
beings with helping build some of antiquity's greatest buildings, such as the Pyramids or
Temple of Solomon. Interesting because there's also a myth injured Christianity about people that
are half angel. Yeah, it's weird how all these fucking religions overlap in
the same fucking shit. It's crazy, right, It's almost like, why
don't they want you learning about the other ones because you're gonna draw a bunch
of dots real quick. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know that about the
half angels building. What the pyramid or the Solomon It's in the Book of
enoch Um, the half angels or Jake. Perhaps they all connect because it's
true. Yeah, just different names for the same perspectives. Yeah, different
names for the same place. It's too similar. How could it not be
true? In the Qoran, this is one of my favorite parts. By
the way, Um, King Solomon, known as the prophet Suliman in the
Muslim world, he had the power to control Gin. Yeah how just because
I guess uh, and he could keep them occupied to ensure they didn't cause
disruption on earth. Um. Essentially he since he could control them, they
were his uh super strong ghost slaves, and he made them build the temple
of something. Yeah. That's that's literally in the uh that's in the Greater
and Lesser Key of Solomon, which is of Judeo Christian lore. Yeah,
um yeah. He Basically the theory is that like Solomon's control of Gin or
a demon's regardless of which viewpoint you look at it through their headspaces, and
he's controlling temptations. Okay, that's the modern interpretation of it. But yeah,
a lot of modern there are a lot of modern Islamic scholars that try
to like like knows what Gin is, and then there's like more not even
hard line, but just more like traditional Aslamic scholars are like, no,
you know, fucker Gin exists. He lastowed some fucking ghosts and got him
to do Yeah, yeah, yeah basically, and like again, like I
said, these are not like crazy hard line Islamic scholars are just like dude,
it's in there, like they exist. It's interesting that that talk of
him doing that does transcend to religions too, in different languages and like with
different types of war. Yeah. I think that's pretty fascinating. I found
it most interesting that it was Aramaic first, right, Yeah, that's that
is really really interesting. Yeah, not to me, it was. I
was like, oh yeah, glare in lack of magic carpets, no magic
carpets in this episode. I'm sorry, damn it. I know I know
another way to, uh, if you're not King Solomon and you just I
guess can control Gin is to subjugate them by inserting a needle into their skin
or their clothes. Since Gin or afraid of iron, they're unable to remove
it under their own power, So you're you put a needle in them.
Yeah, if you're like a heroin addict. Oh dude, so Jim,
we're anti vaccine from the sure, Yeah, so there might not be any
gin left. Yeah, they all got alpha. No, they all got
like polio. Yeah, they just a gin with a blanket over its legs
in a wheelchair. It's like a weak fire. It's like a little legs.
It's a match. It's a little, it's a teeny little it's yeah,
it's actually just a baby, Professor Axe, Yeah, what happens if
you pour gasoline on it? On the gin? Fucking like swoll just for
a brief second, be sick. Yeah, it burns through it real quick.
It doesn't keep it like gasoline's gin cocaine. Oh my god, can
you imagine you're just like in Jordan and a gin shows up there just blasting
lines of gas. Gin are only made a fire where they are all the
elements. No, they're fire, Okay, they're not also water, there's
yeah, this isn't last airbender. Yeah there's gin. Well, it just
got a last airbender because there were other forms of gin that were the other
elements. He just asked, said no, they they weren't called gin,
they were tin and like dan, so gin itself beans fire, Yeah,
yeah, okay gin or yeah yeah yeah, oh word, okay, so
that was right kind of ye, before humans never existed, they conquered the
planet by beating off those other fuckers. So it's entirely last airbender. Yeah,
pretty much probably. Yeah, Okay, it's weird that you know they
got the Koran from the Last Airbender. Great show, big fan. Yeah
it sounds about right. Yeah. Uh, I wanted to think sleep oh,
sleeperalysis okay, thought to be a Gin attack. I mean that would
make sense sleep paralysis demon Yeah essentially yeah. Um, but really, like
it is, the existence of Gin is like pretty controversial in Islam. Like
it is the type of thing where there's a lot of sort of new interpreters
that are like, oh, it means this or that, and then there's
a lot of like I said, traditional not even zealot or like crazy people,
but like this tradition are like, no, it says fucking gin.
Yeah, Gin exists. I mean yeah, you're just being kind of literal
with the book, like yeah, that's yeah. There's a lot of Catholics
and Christians like that. Yeah that are not fanatics, they're just like by
the book, I believe the Yeah that's what the book says. Um earth
flooded. The description of Gin is almost identical with that of Sadem from Jewish
mythology. Well, I'm not familiar about sham Um too. Yeah. Sure,
some Shadeem are believed to be like they're the same thing. They some
are Jewish, some aren't, but it's the same same thing. Uh.
And then both are said to be invisible to human eyes, but they are,
like I said, subject to bodily desires. They fuck, they eat
um. Some Jewish sources agree with the Islamic idea that gin inhabited the world
before humans or I guess you know whatever. Um As Medias appears both as
an individual of the Gin and as the shadem and an antagonist of Solomon.
Yeah. Again, this goes back to it's I think it's an explanation for
the primordial urges are It's it's our lizard brain. We're explaining it's it's the
thing where it's like fuck fight like that shit. But like it's all coming
up in the lore of basically cultures, trying to transcend that into like modernization.
Right, So it's explaining like, oh, man, that guy his
marriage is falling apart, or like, oh that guy's a piece of shit.
Yeah, it's like, but he seems like a good dude. He
seems like a good dude because he's in our society. But like we still
have lizard brain and it's a way of explaining that away basically, and Solomon
was able to build the temple because he got everyone to turn their fucking lizards.
He was so good at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it
like, hey, let's focus on one goal for once. It's really this
whole to me. Like again, when I started researching it, I was
like, wait, I didn't realize that also was believe they was more than
one sentient god worshiping being on her. Yeah. It's nuts, man,
it is that blew my mind. It's it flies under the radar pretty damn
hard. They don't talk about why would you Are you gonna lead with that?
Well, you've never been in prison, so you wouldn't know. I
look, i'd have to be a Nazi. You wouldn't. I wouldn't.
I wouldn't do when to convert, I would get it. I wouldn't be
able to join the Muslim side. I think I would have to be a
Nazi. Can you be an Islam you'd be a brother. I feel like
it would be uh lower, Like I don't want to be a Nazi.
I'm just saying it'd be easier to translate. Yeah, just transition into it.
Be like you're pretty white, you know, pretty white look at you.
You know, I got the beard for it. I think I can
go to Islam. You get the beard for it? Die, Oh no
for Islam? No, yeah for Islam. Man. Yeah, you have
a good beard. But I don't know, Dan, you were going Latin
Kings and there's nothing you can do about it. Yeah, I'm fine with
that. I think you start your own gang. Just talk about being a
Portuguese you know, yeah, becau. It's very similar to Mexic love that.
Yeah, they all love the poor, the Mexicans. Yes, um,
But that is all I've got is it for today? For the history
of the Gin, I I am coming back to the Gin. I want
it. Like you can get into a whole historic like stories about Gin,
perhaps on pittreon dot com, slash software history. Yeah, where that little
point. It's definitely be a spooky month situation for the like there are there
are a lot of Gin stories. Oh this is like a general it is
really just really it was. It just blew my mind that Islam. You
know, you hear a lot about like really broad things about Islam, but
Islam has like a really a lot of fascinating like micro beliefs or whatever you
want to call it that the same way Christianity. Yeah, the same kind
of like pagan carry over stuff that you see. Yeah, yeah, and
it's a way to get people to buy into a lot is in there because
it's it's still just wild to me that that was like one of the things
they had to sell. It's like, you gotta get this, these tribes
and now these are we believe genies, genies Thursday. We made them Thursday.
Yeah, they're like no, no, there, yeah they're Thursday.
Humans are Friday. Yeah. That's what did you guys learn today, Daniel
that genies were made of fire? Yeah, you know that, But I
know I would have thought maybe it's just kind of like a they're more spirit
based ethereal right, yeah, not like an element, yeah, dimensional and
ethereal, like they're interdimensional. Yeah, fire is a bad ancient interpretation of
what yeah, they actually are. It's like maybe fire's a bad interpretation of
energy, right, I think that's actually you just hit the nail on the
head there. It's energy, But how do you describe that right to a
human? It's well, the closest thing we know it's fire. Yeah,
I learned your your wife could cheat on you with energy, or you could
cheat on her with energy. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just not feeling the
energy in the room now, I'm fucking with your energy. Yeah. Um,
I learned that I didn't realize that there was a I guess Islamic equivalent
to the binding of spirits of Salomon, like Solomon's minding of spirits. Yeah,
of course there is, right, Like, but it's the sense,
but it's the I mean, I know it's they're like canonically tied to the
same source, but yeah, they're all Abrahamic. Yeah, I guess I
didn't realize it was that prevalent too. Oh yeah, I mean yeah,
it's like a big part of it. Yeah. Um yeah, I mean
like actually dive into learning against a Muslim listener that chimes in and be like,
no, they're actually not that big of a deal, dude. I
well, I said literally, I said earlier in the episode, like I
am doing a bad job of this, Like I really like kind of stumbled
into this topic because I was wanting you to do a full rundown of like
fantastical Islamic creatures, Middle Eastern creatures, but you got to the the gin
were just so I mean, that has to be its own episode. Yeah,
it's like if you were trying to do a rundown of animals on Earth.
That's like, well, I started with humans and yeah, I really
got to just do a whole thing on that. Yeah. Yeah, it's
that alone got me like five pages, and I was like, that's I
don't know, that's all you can do? Yeah, No, for sure,
man, there are there by the way, and I will do the
other ones, Like there are a lot of really fun a Islamic creatures,
and there's also a lot of Islamic magic book that I wanted to do too.
And again I was like, can I do it all in one episode?
And the Gin alone, I was like, no, the book's gonna
have to be would be so all over the place, and oh yeah yeah
yeah it would be impossible. Yeah, but I know, I'm glad you
brought it up. I haven't. I learned a lot more about Gin than
I knew. And then I guess who's today's hitler? Moses for doubting God
you heard it here first and now being some fucking homeless I think Solomon for
having slaves, Yeah, Solomon for having a like fire slaves, Yeah,
slaves, fire slave, Yeah, call it Solomon in the ron just has
gin slaves yeah and the other ones. It's demons and it's fine. Yeah,
yeah, it's okay. Well that is all I have got for this
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