WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.080 The Chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall Street Window dot com and listeners like you, 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:18.039 Yeah yeah, y July thirteen, twenty twenty three, allegedly according to 3 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:20.920 that thing we call a calendar, and this is indeed the show you were 4 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.160 looking for. How do I know that? Because you're hearing me rattle on 5 00:00:24.199 --> 00:00:30.399 about the date, etcetera, etcetera. Soursday, Thursday. Anyway, a 6 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:33.520 few updates really fast, and I did post this in the live chat room 7 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:37.240 at o'chelly dot com. And if you are hearing us just about quarter after 8 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:41.920 eight pm Eastern time on that date I just mentioned. If you're hearing us 9 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:44.520 live, great, you can go to the live chat room at o'ceelly dot 10 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:49.359 com and see that I posted a message regarding the current state of affairs about 11 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:53.039 the website, etc. Uh. If not, if you're hearing us later 12 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:56.479 further on down the stream and all that good stuff through your podcatcherd jore, 13 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.679 you can always go back to the chat room and roll it back. Anyway, 14 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.000 what I did happen to type in there, in case you don't want 15 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:07.439 to go there, is that I had some troubles with a hack attack on 16 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:11.159 the website, etc. Took me about a week to clear it up, 17 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:15.079 so there haven't been new pods posted to the website. However, if you're 18 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:19.480 listening to us on Apple or one of the other pod catchers out there, 19 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:23.840 you know, podcast Addict, Deezer, what have you, you haven't been 20 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:27.239 interrupted at all because I keep that separate from the website. So if you're 21 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:30.480 missing stuff on the feed because of the website, I'm gonna just skip over 22 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:34.799 all the pods we missed and we're gonna have it rolling to night, so 23 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:40.840 suddenly you'll see Batch as a podcast post. Okay, But anyway, I'm 24 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:42.640 just gonna put up this week's stuff and we're gonna move forward. That's the 25 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:47.239 way it's going. And speaking of this week, and a guy I haven't 26 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.920 had on for a bit because well he was away, and also I didn't 27 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:55.359 feel good the one week. And I am getting better. Just for the 28 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:59.159 record, don't want to jinx myself, but I am getting better, feel 29 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:04.040 a bit stronger than I have in quite a while, So hopefully that trend 30 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:07.080 continues. I haven't been able to speak to Mike Swanson lately. Wall Street 31 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:10.759 Window dot com be in the no go to Wall Street Window dot com. 32 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:15.560 It's not just about Wall Street. It's about many things, including geopolitics, 33 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:20.759 current events, yawn and on. Anyway, I do get the emails from 34 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:23.800 Mike in the morning. I love those. Sometimes they are about financial stuff. 35 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:28.639 Maybe I'll ask him about his recent emails about gold and all that. 36 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:31.039 Oh and by the way, he's also the author of The War State, 37 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:37.199 that book you see on the website all the time, and Why the Vietnam 38 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:38.919 War, which is the first in a series of at least three books that 39 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:46.199 are planned regarding that conflict. Very interesting author in that he takes very complex 40 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:53.240 historical circumstances, etc. Etc. Concepts explains them not only in a way 41 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:58.919 which is easily understood, but in a more honest faction and a more honest 42 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:04.599 manner, and with facts and interesting stuff. Matter of fact, there's new 43 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:08.159 stuff in that Vietnam book. If you've read on the conflict before but haven't 44 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:14.439 read Mike's work, you might be reading some brand new material or unseen material 45 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:17.120 anyway up to this point in time. So I would check out Why the 46 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:21.800 Vietnam War. I would check out the next book in the series when it 47 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.599 does happen. Not sure when, maybe Michael tell Us, but really really 48 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:29.639 happy to have demand behind Wall Street Window dot com. Mike Swanson with me. 49 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:31.039 How you doing, Mike All, I'm doing good. It's great to 50 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:36.199 talk you to that. Always always great to talk to you. So I 51 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:40.280 love discussing media, the analysis of what's actually happening, not just in your 52 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:46.639 corner where you like to do stuff and the local news that you were that 53 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:50.199 you were doing there, getting around things in your state, et cetera, 54 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:53.439 et cetera. But I love just talking to you about media in general. 55 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:58.000 Now I know you swore off Star Trek. Maybe we could talk about movies 56 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:02.280 and entertainment later because I have some thoughts about Indiana Jones and a few other 57 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:08.479 things. Well, I like to talk about the local stuff that have meant 58 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:11.360 it with you. A lot of stuff we can talk about. We haven't 59 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:15.319 talked in several weeks, but he just mentioned I just got to ask you 60 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:19.439 sure, just because you mentioned the words star Trek. I just saw this 61 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:26.120 morning, I believe it was or yesterday, something about Star Trek pop up 62 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.399 and this I think it's called Strange New Worlds. Yes, but but and 63 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:35.759 I haven't seen it, and I haven't seen Picard. I haven't seen a 64 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:41.160 lot of these things. But Anyway, it popped up in my Facebook feed 65 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:47.639 and someone made a comment comment that this is the best Star Trek and it's 66 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:54.360 more like the original show than all than the next generation or the previous ones. 67 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:58.199 Is that true of you if you've watched it. I don't know if 68 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.959 you watched it. I was just about to tell you that. Honestly, 69 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:05.079 I know you got disappointed with Star Trek Discovery. Um, but here's the 70 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:11.600 thing, Bray Strange New Worlds, Okay, is is very interesting. Do 71 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:15.000 you know anything about it or do I need to explain some of the premises. 72 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.519 Well, I just so. I just had the notion that it's like 73 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:25.879 the Cage characters. Yeah, basically and basically but it does one and so 74 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:28.879 forth. Yeah. But but it also contains some of the characters, you 75 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.000 know, like Spock was you know, part of that crew. Yeah, 76 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:36.040 Horra is part of this crew as well. Okay, um, and these 77 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:41.639 are all new actors and everything. It's very cool to me because it is 78 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:45.920 true to what seemed to be presented with the you know, the rejected pilot 79 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:48.639 with Star Trek. It's true to that, but obviously with better technology. 80 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:54.920 Uh. I mentioned I have the original series on DVD. You know, 81 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:59.279 owned it forever, and it was and I watched it who knows how many 82 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:03.000 times as as a kid, but I was bored, and I you know, 83 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:11.160 decided to put the first episode in and then I watched the second episode 84 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:16.480 and it's called it's the one called Charlie Axe. This guy is young, 85 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:20.920 but he you know, can kill people and stuff. But anyway, in 86 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:27.240 it, there was a scene and this is like the first or second of 87 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:32.519 the episodes that they made, and in it there's a scene where her is 88 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:42.399 kind of almost almost flirting with Spot pretty much is teasing him on the bridge. 89 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:46.680 And then there's a scene where they're in like a recreation room and she's 90 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:53.079 singing and doing the same thing to him. And it just made me realize, 91 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:56.879 you know, in the in that the newer movies, they make out 92 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:59.879 maybe there is a relationship between the two of them, I don't remember. 93 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:05.439 Yeah, that's funny. And you know this, this this little horror spock 94 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:10.639 thing, it's right there in the for the first two episodes, that's right, 95 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:14.519 basically, and then it goes away completely, so well it's it's I 96 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:16.800 forgot all about it. Yeah, see, not completely. When you rewatch 97 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:20.759 these things, you'll discover that there might be a reason why they, you 98 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:25.000 know, when they reboarded the Star Trek universe, why they did certain things, 99 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:28.160 Like a lot of people thought it was strange that they put that relationship 100 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:31.800 between the Horror and Spock in the jj Abrams movies. Yeah, that's yeah, 101 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:35.600 and they forget yeah, but they forget exactly what you're talking about. 102 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:40.759 And by the way, there is an outtake, uh, just floating around 103 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:45.560 I think on YouTube and also in collectors editions out there, remastered and all 104 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:49.560 that of like the full thing with Nichelle Nichols singing and all that, and 105 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:54.800 they cut a lot of it from the show that aired, and it's actually 106 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:57.240 some pretty cool scenes. So I don't know if you've ever seen that stuff, 107 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:00.600 but it's worth it. And quite frankly, since you like having the 108 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:05.399 DVD collection, I know there's some anniversary DVD out there with a whole bunch 109 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:07.839 of this, like you know, footage they didn't find in the vault until 110 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:13.240 like twenty ten or twenty fifteen, so you might be interested in all that. 111 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.879 But back to your initial questions about the new stuff, let me tell 112 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:22.720 you the Strange New Worlds is very much like a modernized but very much like 113 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:28.360 the original Star Trek in its feel, in the way it is, except 114 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:33.679 they're using Pike and it's the crew before Kirk. Although Kirk makes an appearance 115 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.879 in Strange New Worlds, he's the captain of another ship. He doesn't have 116 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:43.360 the Enterprise yet, right, So it's just before Kirk becomes the captain of 117 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:46.600 the Enterprise. So I find that interesting because I always wanted to know more 118 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:52.320 about the Jeffrey Hunter time period when we saw you know, the Cage being 119 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:54.679 released later because it was the rejected pilot. It didn't air with the original 120 00:08:54.759 --> 00:09:00.240 series, but they did use parts of it for the Menagerie, which was 121 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.360 you know, was something they did to save costs. Remember the whole thing 122 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:09.000 Spox being uh, court martialed, etc. So it's an interesting thing going 123 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:13.200 back in the history there. It is very much for if you were disappointed 124 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:18.279 with Discovery, you should be happy with Strange New Worlds. Okay, that's 125 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:22.279 number one. Number two Picard redeems itself in a different weird way, and 126 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:26.639 it's third and now final season. That's it. That's the end of Piccard 127 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.639 Because if you did you like the next generation Star Trek when you know the 128 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.960 original Piccard SHOs. I didn't. I mean no, I really liked the 129 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.840 original show. I mean, as a kid, I've watched over and over. 130 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:41.840 You know, I watched it a lot. Isn't on TV on UHF 131 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:46.399 you didn't, oh yeah, stuff like that. But I was lukewarm to 132 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.840 the Next Generation. That's the way I would put it. I didn't. 133 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:54.200 I watched it, but I wasn't real excited about it. Oh well, 134 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:58.000 then Picard might not be for you. Even the season three Season three, 135 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:03.759 they bring back a lot of the Next Generation people and answer a lot of 136 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:09.840 Next Generation questions, and it almost now slots in really nicely. Like originally 137 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:13.960 Piccard was very strange because it was like the you know, the the Federation 138 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:18.519 seemed to be a very dirty and mixed up thing, and it was a 139 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.039 little more, you know, a little more gritty than most people are used 140 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.919 to with Stars. I would say by the end of the Next Generation that 141 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:28.440 I kind of stopped watching Star Trek. I just got sick of it. 142 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.799 These I didn't. I guess, like like the Next Generation last as it 143 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:37.799 went on, So I didn't watch any of The Voyager, and then I 144 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.879 didn't watch the Deep Space nine, and then I did watch the one called 145 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:48.600 Enterprise and it was okay. I thought it was okay, But but you 146 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:54.440 told me to watch Deep Space nine, and I got I watched it, 147 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:58.080 and I really liked it. I've watched that maybe two years ago, two 148 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.559 or three years ago. Yeah, there's a lot of good. Yeah, 149 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:05.799 there's a lot of really interesting metaphorical stuff there. And you could think to 150 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.360 yourself, this is them showing you about history, This is them showing you 151 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:13.279 about the current situation as the show was being made. Because if you think 152 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:18.559 about it, where the nine to eleven paradigm was very hot in everybody's mind, 153 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:20.320 you know, the War on Terror and all that, and then you 154 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:24.759 put it in that context, holy crap, that show looks a lot different 155 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.120 to you if you think about it that way, right, it seems like 156 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.120 they're showing you stuff like like, you know, like they did an original 157 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:35.279 series where the Klingons were kind of like the stand in almost for the Soviet 158 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:41.240 Union. In a way, I think that there are many different metaphorical nods 159 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:45.120 there to the War on Terror and the situations there. There are literally acts 160 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:48.559 of terrorism that go on in Deep Space nine, and it's it's very much 161 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:56.879 in the zeitgeists of its time of origin. Also, Enterprise had a bunch 162 00:11:56.919 --> 00:12:01.120 of stuff like that, you know, the concept of torturing prisoners and all 163 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:05.879 those sorts of controversies. But Enterprise wound up falling flat because it just people 164 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:11.159 lost interest at the time, because the real world was filled with enough conflict 165 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:15.320 you didn't need the imaginary ones, you know. At the time, the 166 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:20.720 the the war in Afghanistan was hot and heavy, Iraq was happening, you 167 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:24.240 know, and the questions of are you a patriot or not and this kind 168 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.080 of thing. It fell on the wrong time period, I think, and 169 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.559 they did a bad ending for that show, Enterprise. You I don't know 170 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:37.279 if you remember the terrible ending, but because they were just basically being driven 171 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:39.240 out, they cut their budget and then they told him, look, you're 172 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:43.200 gonna have to end the series now, And because they knew that was happening, 173 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:48.320 they kind of hurriedly threw that together and it sucked. But there was 174 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:52.440 interesting time periods in that series as well. I think if you want to 175 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:56.240 recommend from me, don't bother with Picard. I don't think you'll like it, 176 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:03.440 but strange Worlds you will enjoy it. If you're okay with now I'm 177 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:09.559 going to follow Captain Pike right, and you don't, I'm willing to give 178 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.759 it a try. Yeah, I think you'll find that interesting. Also, 179 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:18.919 you know, because Kirk makes an appearance that there's plenty of nods to things 180 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:22.799 that you know about from the original series. Uh, there's an exploration of 181 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.759 not only the situation. You know, Spock wasn't just flirting with who or 182 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:31.840 who or wasn't just flirting with Spok but you know, I don't know if 183 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:33.679 he ever took notice. But go back and watch the original series again. 184 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:41.399 There's really subtle little things about Nurse Chapel and who she's involved with. So 185 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.120 you know, take a look at that. And then when you wind up 186 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:48.960 looking right, yes, Spok again now in Strange New Worlds. I don't 187 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:52.200 want to spoil anything for you, but it's expanded upon. You get an 188 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:58.279 idea about where certain things came from. And I don't know if you remember 189 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.279 the thing within the original series, Spot was supposed to go get married. 190 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:05.919 Oh yeah, sure, and so they go through that in Strange New Worlds 191 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:11.480 as well, and now you get really more context. It's interesting. It 192 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:16.120 fills in a lot of stories Kirk's brother is on the Enterprise. By the 193 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:20.240 way, Sam Kirk is on the Enterprise while Pike is Captain. Just so 194 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.480 you know, anyway, I think you'll find it interesting with those connections and 195 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:28.600 the actor doing it. No, he's not Jeffrey Hunter, but Jeffrey Hunter 196 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.200 was very much like a guy of his time, you know what I mean. 197 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.279 Like, if you put Jeffrey Hunter on TV today, people would laugh 198 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.000 at it. But in the nineteen sixties, Jeffrey Hunter, the way he 199 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:43.559 was carrying himself and presenting himself makes sense. So the guy who's doing Pike 200 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:50.039 on this series actually does an excellent job being a modern day version of what 201 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:54.039 Captain Pike should be, a more evolved version of more subtle you know, 202 00:14:54.759 --> 00:15:00.320 less of the nineteen sixties style acting and everything very very good. I think 203 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:05.240 you'll enjoy Strange New Worlds and what is there three two seasons now altogether, 204 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:09.000 and one of them is actually currently running, so I think you'd enjoy it 205 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.679 anyway. For those of you who have now been bored to death with the 206 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.840 Star Trek discussion, which if you are, I'm sorry, but I've watched 207 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.559 them all. I've watched them all. I've enjoyed almost all of them, 208 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.120 and Star Trek is a very cool thing in my mind and does give you 209 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:31.799 that that crossover between art history and reality as it unfolds in a very fascinating 210 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.960 way. It's also one of the most involved universes in entertainment history, where 211 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.679 you have a franchise that has been you know, presented in movies and television 212 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:46.120 and books in so many different ways. I don't think anything has the you 213 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:50.799 know, half a century presentation that Star Trek has, So you know, 214 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.240 some people think it's nerdy and goofy and a waste of time, but not 215 00:15:54.399 --> 00:16:00.440 me anyhow. Let's get into some news and stuff, because book that's usually 216 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:04.039 the business we're in. I want to get into what it is we're going 217 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:07.200 to set up for the rest of the show because we'll go to a break 218 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.679 in a minute here. But before we go to that, uh, you 219 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:14.360 know, what has been on your mind or catching your attention lately, I'll 220 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:19.799 tell you I was enthralled with the with the congressional hearings with the FBI director 221 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:23.519 Ray there for a minute. I find it interesting the way the Republicans have 222 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:27.600 sort of switched sides there for a while, you know, when the other 223 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:33.279 side of the aisle was teared up Christopher Ray as somebody who probably wasn't worthy 224 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:36.600 of running the FBI and everything else because he was a Trump appointee. Blah 225 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:40.600 blah. I find it interesting that the Democrats are almost defending him and things 226 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:45.159 he's done, and the Republicans are kind of on the attack regarding, you 227 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.320 know, the behavior under the five s Accords. You know, is the 228 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:52.879 FBI being abusive because the way they treated Trump, of course, not about 229 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:56.600 the way they you know, general everyday citizens are steamrolled by the FBI or 230 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:00.799 anything. No, not about the unwarranted a veilance that they do of everybody 231 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:07.160 quite often. They're not really digging into that so much, but they are 232 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.559 upset that they think conservatives are being targeted, and that's clearly being discussed openly 233 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:17.799 and uh, sort of in a confrontational way right there in Congress. You 234 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:19.599 can tune in and catch or listen to it one way or another on c 235 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:26.759 SPAN or on radio if you go and find it. So that's been happening, 236 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:30.000 along with what Biden economics, for God's sake, and a whole bunch 237 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.519 of other things nationally. I don't know if you want to talk national stories 238 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:37.960 or you want to go more local. What's on your mind? What's been 239 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:44.559 catching your attention in the feeds lately? Well, I don't. I'm not 240 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:49.480 paying any attention to those political stories national political stories that you mentioned. Okay 241 00:17:49.920 --> 00:18:00.160 at all. I went to a board me what's the word? Um U, 242 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:07.880 I'll participate in a hearing today, like a town council meeting or a 243 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.400 county meeting, which is stuff I've ever done before. It was really I 244 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:15.200 mean this, this is real obscure stuff. But this is how the system 245 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:18.680 works, and it connects to the national politics, you know, because it's 246 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:26.240 it's about voting. I went to an electoral board meeting today and um what 247 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:33.759 happened was I mean, it's a long story, but uh, and I 248 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.680 know I don't know that there's three members of electoral board. I don't know 249 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:41.880 them, but I know the people leading the Republican Party and I know and 250 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:48.000 the people I know, the guy ahead of the Democratic Party and these electoral 251 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:53.559 boards. I mean, the thing about elections in twenty twenty, we had 252 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:57.799 all these people saying the election was rigged, it was stolen, the machines 253 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:06.160 and this and that, with no understanding at all of how the electoral count 254 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:10.960 process works, to counting of votes and how electoral boards work and all this 255 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:17.920 stuff. People just believe these narratives without any real understanding. But I went 256 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:26.960 to this meeting as someone concerned about wanting to know what could what's going on, 257 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:32.839 because maybe it's possible the system is about to be rigged. Okay, 258 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:36.319 so let me ask you a couple of questions. It is. Yeah, 259 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:37.519 I'm not worried about that, but I went to the meeting. Okay, 260 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:41.200 Well, let me ask you a couple of questions about this, because this 261 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:44.599 has become part of the national debate one way or another, but it's something 262 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:48.799 that's on a local level because honestly, it's your local election boards that have 263 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.640 control of most of the things people are complaining about. So we're all familiar 264 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:56.640 with the fact that, you know, Trump said twenty twenty was rigged because 265 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.880 he lost, you know, and that's that That's an interesting thing in and 266 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.440 of itself. But it is fascinating that a lot of those national stories and 267 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:10.000 even the lawsuits that came out, whether it's you know, Dominion suing Juliani 268 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:12.160 or whatever, you know, it was all about, Hey, look, 269 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:18.000 you're accusing us of all kinds of mouthfeasance, and you know it's not proper. 270 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:21.960 Meanwhile, there's been a lot of ruckus on the local level, sometimes 271 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:23.920 people not knowing what they're talking about. I mean, I saw stuff in 272 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:27.519 Georgia here where they were saying, well, they won't allow our people in 273 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:33.519 to observe when the rules are not structured that way, and quite frankly they 274 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:41.960 already have party representatives in there to observe things. Nonsense. Yeah, but 275 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:45.519 what I'm saying is is that people are trying to literally take things to court 276 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:48.599 when they don't even know about the process, the way it's supposed to run, 277 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:52.279 whether it is running or not. This is what you're addressing. So 278 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:55.960 I want you to get specific about this because you're saying to me, Look, 279 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:59.759 you're an honest guy. I know you honestly, you're thinking to yourself, 280 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:02.920 look, there could be problems. So I'm curious, you know, 281 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:06.960 before we get into what you did at the meeting and your participation, what 282 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.839 is it that caused you to be alarmed in the first place to think that 283 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.680 there is a possibility of something not going Uh, you know, according to 284 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:21.079 the way things should be above board and all that. What was your first 285 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:26.119 indicator. I mean, it wasn't the national discussion obviously, did something tip 286 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:30.000 you off that hey maybe, oh yeah something. The way the system works, 287 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:36.200 there's an electoral board of three people and two Republicans, one is a 288 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:41.480 Democrat because in at least in Virginia, the governor, whoever the governor of 289 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:47.160 the state is, has control over over that. Now, this board is 290 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:51.400 it in your county? Your town that gets the county. It's an oversees 291 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:57.240 the county elections and their job is to hire the registrar, who then is 292 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:07.240 ultimately responsible for all the voting stuff going on and including monitoring finance forms. 293 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.079 It's it's a pretty big job. Yeah, well, a registrar just really 294 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:14.440 quick again another question, Sorry, but a registrar just don't want to pass 295 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:18.000 by things too quickly. Where where I used to live in Jersey and I 296 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:22.319 haven't dealt with the registrar here in Georgia, but in North Carolina I did. 297 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:26.720 But anyway, Jersey I had a lot more familiarity. The registrar handles 298 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:33.559 all sorts of statistics and vital records for an area, right, So a 299 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:37.400 registrar doesn't just handle voting in Jersey. A registrar handles like, you know, 300 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:40.920 where they keep birth certificates and stuff like that. Like one of the 301 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:44.279 problems I have is I can't get my birth certificate from the registrar in Long 302 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:48.839 Branch, New Jersey because I need ID. And the thing is, I 303 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:51.720 need my birth certificate to go get ID. So I'm going to catch twenty 304 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:57.680 two they're regarding my you know, government ID. Anyway, the registrar where 305 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:00.920 you are, do they hand handle all kinds of stuff like that too, 306 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:07.640 like birth certificates, marriage records. I don't know about that. I don't 307 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:11.759 know about marriage. So you just know about their responsibilities regarding voting that right, 308 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:15.279 yeah, yeah, and in voting roles, who's on the voting roles 309 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.400 and not in all us? Yeah, who's on the voting roles? Maybe 310 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.240 they maybe they also have a list of people that need to be taxed, 311 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:25.400 even though they don't handle the taxes, like for property tax and stuff. 312 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:29.440 Or is Virginia one of those states with or without I kind of doubt they're 313 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:33.799 doing they're handling taxes. I think that's the commissioner revenue. Okay, no, 314 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:36.920 no problem. Look, these breakdowns could be different ways, different state 315 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.440 by states. Yeah, just because you say registrar though I wanted to clarify. 316 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:42.880 So yeah, yeah, it's voting registrar. Voting registrars. Okay, 317 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:48.160 no problem. So anyway, I like, you know, I know, 318 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.359 you know, I know these different people, you know some of these people. 319 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:56.720 So four Year County, just again, just to put it back on 320 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:00.359 track, four Year County, there's this three person board and this is what 321 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:03.880 you're focused on. But again, what was the thing that That's what I'm 322 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.839 trying to That's when we get it. So I knew from people in the 323 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:18.240 Republican Party. They told me they had problems with the registrar and and they 324 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.759 were saying, she's not showing up, she's not working at her office, 325 00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:25.359 she's working at home. They want her to work at the office, and 326 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:30.440 the and the elector board is having problems with her. And now she's making 327 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:33.160 a change of who the registrar is. Okay, now is that an appointed 328 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:37.519 position? Number one? Number two? Was she's appointed by the elector board 329 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:40.160 of these three people? Gotcha? Okay? Now, what she's staying home 330 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:44.559 because of COVID or was she just working? From what they told me, 331 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:49.200 was they asked because of COVID and then she just continued to do so because 332 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:53.359 she has children. She's a single mother of children. That's what they told 333 00:24:53.400 --> 00:25:00.920 me. And this was in May that I'm hearing this from people in the 334 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:06.599 Republican Party, leaders of the local Republican Party. Then, now, did 335 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.200 the Democrats have many complaints about this or was it all one? None? 336 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:15.079 None that I knew of, None that I knew of. And then in 337 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:23.119 a few weeks ago, she was a month ago, a friend of mine 338 00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:33.279 got an invitation to apply for her position and she had been terminated or or 339 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:38.079 told she was not going to be rehired by the board. And they're going 340 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:42.680 to find a replacement. That's what he was told. That's what I understood. 341 00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:48.599 And then the newspaper they had a change, and who the editor is. 342 00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:55.440 This new guy came in and they got this reporter that's brand new and 343 00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:59.920 like twenty years old. And I don't think they barely know what they're doing, 344 00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.599 especially the younger guy. They don't own the newspaper. The guy that 345 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:08.680 owns the newspaper lives in Florida somewhere, and he owns a bunch of newspapers. 346 00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:12.720 He's not hands on, and these guys are in there. They've written 347 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:19.200 a couple of articles that, in my opinion, are sloppy journalism, bad 348 00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:27.519 slanted, terrible articles. And they did an article last week about the electoral 349 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:36.559 board meeting that took place, a recent one in which the article said that 350 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.960 Democrats and I know the leader of the party. I'm not a Democrat, 351 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:47.039 but I know this guy, and he's a reasonable person. He's not crazy's 352 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:52.119 you know, he's I know him, you know. And the article was 353 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:57.359 written a way to make it look as if he went to the meeting and 354 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:03.200 made a bunch of accusations, is that the lady had been fired for political 355 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.920 reasons and that the board, the electoral board wasn't being conducted correctly, and 356 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:17.400 the article had him shouting and and made him look like he was a madman. 357 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:19.079 Basic. So not only do you know this guy, but were you 358 00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.759 at the meeting? Because you've been going to a bunch of these meetings. 359 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.839 I'm not at this meeting. You didn't go to that one story about a 360 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:29.079 meeting. I've never been to an electoral board meeting. You know, I 361 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:33.839 got a Board of supervisor. Electoral board meetings, they're pretty obscure for you 362 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.839 know, most, you know, day to day things, because you've been 363 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.160 going. I just want to know, because you've been going to a lot 364 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.240 more of these meetings, so I didn't know if you're gone a lot of 365 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.880 the Board of Supervisor meetings. I went to get all kinds of different things. 366 00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:51.279 But they've been an electoral board meeting. But I read this and I 367 00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:56.319 don't believe the reporting is up and up from what I'm reading, and I 368 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.160 know there's something going on that's not in the story. It doesn't make any 369 00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:06.440 sense. So I had decided to go to the meeting today already, and 370 00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:15.799 then yesterday the newspaper put out a story eight pages long that is basically recounting 371 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:22.240 all these electoral board meetings. And now when you read this, they basically 372 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:27.119 had to correct their reporting and let it all out. You know, basically 373 00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:32.119 it's just quoting what's going on at the meetings and a lot of facts. 374 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:37.240 So now the guy you know is not a crazy man, and they now 375 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.599 the lady that's been fired, they have her entire story. Her face is 376 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:47.599 on the front page of the paper and the story is supporting her. Okay, 377 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:51.799 all right, well, I'm just trying to keep this straight. So 378 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:55.119 the paper that was on the side of get rid of her, but the 379 00:28:55.160 --> 00:29:00.079 crazy Democrat is screaming, has now changed their tune entirely. And this is 380 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:04.680 both of these different takes were under the same editor. This twenty year old 381 00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:08.720 or whatever they got in here. Well, this guy he's that, he's 382 00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:14.000 he's not twenty, he's made in his thirties. That but there's another reporter 383 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.799 that's like twenties even worse. Okay, so these younger people that went in 384 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:22.480 there, but these younger guys. But anyway, you know, this story 385 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:30.720 has it being said that minutes of the meetings aren't being done correctly, that 386 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.440 things are being said at meetings that aren't recorded correctly in the minutes and the 387 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:38.480 whole I mean, it's just a complete debacle. Well, does it seem 388 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.480 like they're trying to cover their own butts by saying stuff like that, Like, 389 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.400 hey, look, you know people are saying that we inaccurately reported stuff. 390 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.759 Maybe we're saying that. I mean, yeah, I pretty much assume 391 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:56.839 that they someone's someone must have complained to them, to them or to the 392 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.839 owner of the paper, and they're forced to make correct action. Okay, 393 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:07.720 most likely this story could have caught legs and be got on television, you 394 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.000 know, or or other outlets could have carried it, right, you know. 395 00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:17.160 And then and then the newspaper will look like rubbish. You see what 396 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:22.759 I mean. If they let the previous stories stand in the story, the 397 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.720 events take a life for their own, and then they just look like it 398 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:29.319 looks like rubbish. Well, and somebody goes to say another another outlet, 399 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.960 whatever it may be, television or written or whatever, and says, look, 400 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:36.440 you know that story in the whatever paper over here, it's all false. 401 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:40.680 So now you have a competitor with somebody accounting that you know, look, 402 00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:42.599 I was there and this didn't happen, et cetera, et cetera. 403 00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:47.440 So they're being made to look bad. They had to correct their reporting a 404 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:52.279 bit so that they don't look like they're just fabricating stuff. But I hadn't 405 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:57.160 known before the story was written. Somebody told me that the Democrats, I 406 00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.720 mean, not them, someone told me they know, you know, I'm 407 00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:06.000 not I don't talk to Democrats on a regular basis. But someone told me 408 00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:11.200 that they were concerned about the integrity of the elections because this lady was fired, 409 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:18.599 and you know, from the way the electoral board has conducted itself in 410 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:23.160 the story. And I went to the meeting today and you know, saw 411 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:30.200 got a little bit of just that. Uh. I believe what. I 412 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:36.119 believe what they're saying, the Democrats in this case, that they're not keeping 413 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:41.519 the minutes correctly, the meetings have been improper. I believe what they're saying 414 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:47.079 based on your observations today. Yeah, yeah, and talk and incredible people. 415 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:53.640 Uh. Frankly also and not every policy not I wouldn't say that about 416 00:31:53.640 --> 00:32:00.680 everyone that's involved in politics of course at all. But anyway, I went 417 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:07.799 to the meeting today and they, like I said, there's now this Democrat 418 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:13.200 on the board, this electoral board, and speaking of two Republicans, they 419 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.319 start the meeting out they have a little bit of a disagreement, and then 420 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:22.240 the Democrat leader, who is the guy I know, he read a statement 421 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:30.279 out. Well, first of all, there had the Republican on the electoral 422 00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:35.720 board. One of the Republicans, he said, they want to put a 423 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:42.799 resolution in that these meetings should be conducted like the Board of Supervisors meetings, 424 00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:46.160 saying that there shouldn't be out earst from the public. You can only speak 425 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:52.960 in the public comment period, and you can't, you know, talk at 426 00:32:53.039 --> 00:33:00.799 any other moment implying that that had happened before most like it did. And 427 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:07.559 he that's what they got into this disagreement with the Democrat on the board wanted 428 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:14.000 to read his thing and and was it isn't necessary to have it, but 429 00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.240 he made a point we wanted to be like the Board of Supervisors. Well, 430 00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:22.200 when the public comment period came, the Democrat had a statement he already 431 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:30.279 had typed out and he started reading it. And the Board of Supervisor meetings 432 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:32.880 that I'd go to most of them, you have a two minute time period 433 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:39.440 to speak. They can extend that to five minutes at discretion, and if 434 00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:44.839 you're speaking on behalf of a large number of people, so you can get 435 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:50.920 ten minutes. Well, this Democrat speaking yes today, reading this statement, 436 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.480 and it's all about how the meetings have been conducted before, and he's reading 437 00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:00.920 the Virginia State Code and all this stuff. You know that it's not being 438 00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:07.440 done properly. And this Republican guy on the board, he gets out his 439 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:14.880 cell phone and looks at the clock going down and shows it to the other 440 00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:22.360 person, and they cut him off from finishing his statement. And then I 441 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.760 raised my hand up. I mean, I've never I don't speak at meetings. 442 00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:29.760 I just want to see what's going on and write about the stuff. 443 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:34.440 But I raised my hand up and I said my name, and I said, 444 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.960 look, I read the story in the newspaper. I want to know 445 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:43.239 what the world is going on here, and that's why I'm at this meeting. 446 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.360 And mister Ford, that's the Democrat, I said, he's all in 447 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:51.760 the story. He's the leader of the Democratic Party. I want to hear 448 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:54.559 the rest of his statement. And I go these boards supervisors meetings and they 449 00:34:54.599 --> 00:35:00.920 give people five minutes at discretion. You can give them five minutes, you 450 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:06.079 know, said it, said it just like that, and they would They 451 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.199 still didn't let him finish it. Ah, so you didn't. He said, 452 00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:12.360 we're gonna hold it. They basically like, we'll put his statement in 453 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.840 and and and give them more time next at the next meeting. Okay, 454 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.559 so we're gonna enter a statement into the record, but next time he can 455 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:23.440 read it or whatever. But what I was trying to do by saying that 456 00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:29.840 was put them on notice that that you know, I'm watching this crap. 457 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:34.239 I'm gonna be back, you know, and and they'll figure out who I 458 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:37.000 am. I mean, they those guys I don't know. I don't know 459 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.440 that, those people on the elector board, but they'll most of the people 460 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.679 in the room know who I am. You know, they'll find out. 461 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.960 Right. Well, i'll tell you what them on notice. But what they 462 00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:52.000 ended up doing, though, was they went into a closed session and hired 463 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.400 a new registrar. And I know who's I know her, I know this 464 00:35:55.519 --> 00:36:02.920 person. And I don't believe they're doing all this for to rig the election 465 00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:09.440 or some something of that effect at all, But it's like a patronage thing. 466 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.760 They're giving people jobs. And well, i'll tell you what we'll do. 467 00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:17.400 Well, we'll get into Yeah, we'll get into more of this. 468 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:20.960 We'll take a little break here and get into the rest of it and talk 469 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.079 about what the purpose of it is and what else you observed and what the 470 00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:28.920 results the added results too, were after your statement, uh, you know, 471 00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:30.760 saying hey, look, you can grant this guy five minutes, can't 472 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:36.239 you, And they said, apparently no. But this is interesting because we 473 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:39.199 are seeing this stuff happen all over the country. There are clips, you 474 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:45.440 know, everywhere of these weird disruptions and interruptions and interactions and people claiming they're 475 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:50.239 being unfairly treated in the local board meetings everywhere. 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Right, 543 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:05.360 Well, what do you want to know Judie Baker's wild claim Oswald girlfriends 544 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.119 he knew Ruby and Barry Dancer weapons. Really, I imagine I could claim 545 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.719 I have four wheels. It doesn't make me a wagon. But okay, 546 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.559 Oswald was on the Jovian and trying to prevent the murder of John Kennedy. 547 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.079 Come on, now, has it real ecert on the Dayfay's accomation go into 548 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:23.440 her claims. Go to Amazon dot com enter Judith Baker in her own words. 549 00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:28.239 You'll get the results for a digital copy of a book where Walt Brown 550 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:32.400 utilizes her own words and the known evidence in the case to get at well 551 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.079 a different perspective. Let's say you can get Judith Barry Baker in her own 552 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:43.199 words from the author himself signed. If you requested by contacting doctor Brown at 553 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:47.719 Kia s jfk at aol dot com. It's a fun book and it actually 554 00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:53.119 dissects the many, many fantastic claims. Judith Barry Baker, in her own 555 00:44:53.199 --> 00:45:07.960 words, thank you for all the great information I get reborn hind link soul 556 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:54.679 this as I try to up to boys bull shore, I tid chrystood to 557 00:45:54.920 --> 00:46:19.000 your Oh God, t shore, so your horns restruct you to your good 558 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:35.760 I have a guide's all my out. I have a guide sold its soil 559 00:46:36.400 --> 00:47:15.760 and joy joy right, Jim the same. You don't say behind and you 560 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:55.679 need to play out your case shouts before list show you reach out, go 561 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:17.000 waste before heading yes, by God, should should should the views expressed like 562 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:20.679 Carler Schools or anyone else who happens to get on the aired or Chelly dot 563 00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.000 com do not necessarily reply views of Chelly dot com or jell go Keelly, 564 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:27.039 and we are not responsible for any stupide which might be suth. Thank you 565 00:48:27.199 --> 00:49:27.199 revelation through conversation. So here we are with segment number two of the o'celly 566 00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:30.679 effect. Here on a Thursday night, and Mike Swanson is with me. 567 00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:36.039 We were talking politics. During the break there, and I actually overran my 568 00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:39.599 time. We had an extended break, so I want to kind of conclude 569 00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:43.880 my discussion with Mike. We're talking about the local politics, what's happening there. 570 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.199 We wound up talking about libertarian stuff during the break, and I don't 571 00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:50.920 think we're gonna get into it here on the show because it's it's a little 572 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:54.920 weird, a little convoluted, a little little hard to remember actually everything that's 573 00:49:54.960 --> 00:50:00.840 going on. I did mention to you though, you know, are you 574 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:04.840 kind of like saving your steam a little bit, Mike for the twenty twenty 575 00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:10.440 four thing that's about to really become the centerpiece of everybody's newscast because it seems 576 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:14.880 to me like all of the build up nationally anyway, Again, if you're 577 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.440 looking at your school board and your election boards and this and that, sure 578 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:22.719 that's the place to focus in twenty twenty three. But I think everybody's getting 579 00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:24.400 ready for the twenty twenty four run, you know what I mean as far 580 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:32.679 as the political game commentary where people are positioning themselves. RFK Junior again being 581 00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:40.519 a pillory to excuse me, pillary today on the MSM right, because apparently 582 00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:45.400 he said something about chemicals and them maybe feminizing boys and stuff like this, 583 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:52.000 and CNN's out there intentionally kind of trying to hamstring him on that, and 584 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:57.159 you know, once again the conspiracy theorist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Hey, 585 00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.280 another weird passing news story. Not sure of your interest in it, 586 00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:05.480 Mike, but another passing news story. Leslie Van Houghton got out. Did 587 00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:07.800 you see that? One of the answers to that. Yeah, yeah, 588 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.079 yeah. So I don't know where do you want to go from here? 589 00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:15.000 I mean, we can conclude pretty soon because we've already passed the nine o'clock 590 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:16.840 hour, and I don't want to keep you too long tonight, but just 591 00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:21.800 to round it out, um, anything more you want to talk about regarding 592 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.639 this local situation or you're going to stay on top of it. H Do 593 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:30.519 you feel like any of your concerns are being addressed regarding the local election process? 594 00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:36.559 What do you think of all that? Conclusion wise? Well, I'm 595 00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:42.519 not worried about the new register doing bad things with the elections. I'm not 596 00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:47.679 concerned really, But I'm going to follow up with the people that went to 597 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.480 the meeting and tell them stuff about just talk to him, you know, 598 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:57.280 but it's not. It's not a real pressing issue for me. You know, 599 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:02.440 the local stuff is sort of in a sense like the national stuff. 600 00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:07.519 It's a news cycle too, and now you know, next week there's another 601 00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.360 concern, you know, right, so that it's sort of similar in that 602 00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:15.239 sense. No, the big show, though, is the presidential selection in 603 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:17.320 twenty twenty four. Right, That's what everybody talks about every day, one 604 00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:22.480 way or another, the Biden v. Trump rematch. Right, it looks 605 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:27.960 like and there is this idea about Bobby Kennedy coming in, you know, 606 00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:36.840 rfk JR. There's what twelve or thirteen Republicans now vying for the nomination because 607 00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.119 despite what the media is telling you, you know, the nomination has not 608 00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:44.800 been given to Trump just yet, although he thinks he's the nominee. And 609 00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:49.639 of course the different indictments coming down, and how does that really complicate things? 610 00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.480 I mean, I almost feel like these are previews being shown before the 611 00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:57.159 new season of the TV show, right where it's like, hey, get 612 00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:00.239 ready this year, this is going to happen, and where you know your 613 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:04.840 favorite character will be confronted with this and the surprise tragedy in turn of events, 614 00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.920 and well it doesn't almost feel like one thing about like this national stuff. 615 00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:15.119 So I'm you know, I've kind of not been paying as much attention 616 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:19.440 to the past couple of months. I've really taken a break from writing that 617 00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.360 much, even about the stock market. I haven't done a YouTube video, 618 00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:30.440 And since March, I'm just I'm gonna spend time over the next couple of 619 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:35.119 months trying to reinvent the local stuff I'm doing. Do you just feel burnt 620 00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:39.519 out on the national crap? That's what I wanted one of the reasons why. 621 00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:44.920 And I'm gonna try to fix up the local stuff I'm doing so I 622 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.239 can make a little bit of a profit and run it as a business, 623 00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:52.719 and then if I succeed at that, I'm gonna fix the main website, 624 00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:57.880 Wall Street window and but it's gonna you know, it's just gonna take a 625 00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:00.440 while. But with the national stuff, stock market's part of it, I 626 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:06.840 don't I'm not doing anything. I'm not doing trades. I just bought stuff 627 00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:10.119 like you know that i've last year that I'm still holding and I don't. 628 00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:14.199 I'm not. I don't think much is going on, so I don't want 629 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.840 to I just don't even not paying that much attention, but you know, 630 00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:20.480 it doesn't feel as though there's much to report. I mean, there is 631 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.000 the current economic it's just a lot of noise. Yeah, there's the current 632 00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:27.639 economic circumstances and the pressures of that. So I mean, you know, 633 00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:31.519 the Biden economics and what. To me, I don't think anything's really changing 634 00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:37.039 at the moment, or I don't think anything important is even happening. Eventually, 635 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.559 it will, you know, and maybe a year from now. But 636 00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:52.039 with the news in general, I have come I started to believe feel that 637 00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:59.360 the internet news outlets, you know, CNN, all these news websites, 638 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:07.199 um, are are getting worse. Um not in the sense that they're biased 639 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:13.760 or something, but in the quality of their content. And um, you 640 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:17.480 know right now, I think it's a lot of height to it. They're 641 00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:22.880 talking about in the AI AI AI you know, it's like the big theme 642 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:30.079 especially for financial people, like metaverse was. But what I'm seeing and because 643 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:35.480 I look at I do look at the headlines every morning, and I look 644 00:55:35.519 --> 00:55:42.440 at all the financial websites and Twitter got you know, Elon Musk buys Twitter, 645 00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:47.760 And I just used that as excuse to kind of really trim down on 646 00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:54.440 the usage of social media. I haven't done a Twitter post since he bought 647 00:55:54.519 --> 00:56:00.719 it, right, I mean not one. But the thing shut with the 648 00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:08.400 news though, is what I start to notice is the headlines are all becoming 649 00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:14.159 identical, the stories and the headlines. If you look at the financial media 650 00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:20.920 at eight thirty in the morning, you'll see the same stories everywhere. And 651 00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:27.480 this whole talk about AI and algorithms and so forth. I just have come 652 00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:31.159 to think that these websites are Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's always 653 00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:37.599 been like it's a certain degree, but they're just copying each other for traffic, 654 00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:43.679 and there's very little real original reporting going on. Now this was you 655 00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.440 know, of course this has always been the case, but now it's happening 656 00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:53.400 with the websites that are the leading websites of the financial markets. Well, 657 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:57.880 because it's kind of crazy, and the same thing of news sites in general. 658 00:56:57.960 --> 00:57:00.000 Well right, well, that's what I was gonna say. It's because 659 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:04.239 a homogeneous thing. So it almost doesn't matter where you go to get your 660 00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:08.039 news, because everybody seems to be taking the very same sources, the very 661 00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:12.960 same ideas, and all of them are running with the same thing. So 662 00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:16.199 now it's like, because whoever and I don't even know where the beginning of 663 00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:22.039 people producing it, except we talked about what is that that news app? 664 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.719 What is that news break? Right? So it's the news break paradigm sort 665 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:32.559 of, because newsbreak doesn't do anything. It picks up local stories from everywhere, 666 00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:36.920 from everybody else's stuff, and then presents it and says, hey, 667 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:40.559 we're newsbreak, We're your new newspaper. But they're not. They're not producing 668 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:45.599 anything. All they're doing is picking up somebody else's work. So in the 669 00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:50.920 old days, right, everybody would pick up off of say the Associated Press 670 00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:57.519 and UPI and Reuters, right, so you might see that across the TV 671 00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:01.480 channels and in your local newspaper, they'll make references to those articles. They 672 00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:07.000 might reprint those articles or read them directly even on air, on news, 673 00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:10.880 on radio, on TV. Right, So everybody might be referencing from that 674 00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:17.000 core of original news sources. And then they would also go and develop their 675 00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:22.519 own news. Right. So now people are no longer doing that, no 676 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:25.440 matter what size they are, if they're the small newspaper locally, which is 677 00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:30.320 generally usually owned by some media group or somebody who's totally disconnected. Like you 678 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:36.559 talked about the guy in Florida owning the newspaper in Virginia, so he doesn't 679 00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:40.320 care. He's going for cost effective, and cost effective is I'll run a 680 00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:45.280 couple of AP stories and have people picked up off the Internet from somewhere else. 681 00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:49.639 I don't have to send out a reporter. I don't have to pay 682 00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:52.360 somebody to write it. So now his news stories are just picked up from 683 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:59.039 somewhere else. CNN's doing it, CBS, NBC. They're not just picking 684 00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.639 up off of each other there, And it's the Associated Press and Reuters anymore. 685 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:06.760 Now they're all seeming to pick out all out of the same basket. 686 00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:13.480 And the social media constructs which have been successful and have been almost the primary 687 00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.400 place where people were getting the majority of their news for the past how many 688 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:22.400 years would you say, I'm like five or six years. That's the majority. 689 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:28.079 Okay, So those sites also competing with each other. By the way, 690 00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.480 I find it funny. Now Meta is gonna compete with Facebook over this 691 00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:35.639 new Instagram app. I don't know if you saw that thread. I think 692 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.960 it was actually Oh no, well see, I haven't downloaded it yet either, 693 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:42.760 but I'm gonna wind up looking at it. I think I saw it 694 00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:46.559 in one of your Wall Street Window Morning headlines emails that the whole thing with 695 00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:51.960 meta. I mean, I find it funnier that Elon Musk and Zuckerberg might 696 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:53.360 get into a cage match. That was, you know, a week and 697 00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:58.360 a half ago already, but I still find that hilarious. But it's almost 698 00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:02.719 like that now where now Musk has this uh you know, massive what was 699 01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:08.000 the forty four billion he paid for Twitter or something like that. It's obviously 700 01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:12.599 going down in value because they're trying different things over there. I don't know 701 01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:15.519 if you saw that. I think you published actually pick up a headline from 702 01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:21.079 somewhere about it, the idea that they're trying to reinvent themselves and their revenue 703 01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:25.639 streams are not working out right. Oh yeah, So the world is shifting, 704 01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:31.199 but it's all becoming one homogeneous grab bag. So even if you think 705 01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:36.280 you're making choices about why go to this website instead of that one, unless 706 01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.760 you're honest to God goodness, dealing with an independent media outlet, I mean, 707 01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:46.960 a truly independent media outlet that's not concerned solely with the corporate structure and 708 01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:52.559 you know, making sure to cut down on overhead. Okay, If that's 709 01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:58.400 all they're doing, and they're just grabbing the original sources from other places, 710 01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:01.480 it seems like they're all boiling down to one basket. Now. I don't 711 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:07.719 know where that one basket is, okay, but it's clear they're literally using 712 01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:12.800 the same stories, they're covering the same stuff they're not. It's not because 713 01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:16.280 the public's demanding it either. It just seems to me as though they've lost 714 01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:22.280 so many of these other possibilities. The local newspapers again not doing original work, 715 01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:24.960 so now they don't have local sources to draw from. They have a 716 01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:29.840 national stories, sure, but they're all just parroting each other. I don't 717 01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:34.400 think anybody even remembers where the original reports are coming from. Somebody goes on 718 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:37.760 the ground and reports the story, and the next thing you know is, 719 01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:42.360 you know, the New York Times reports on it, and therefore everybody in 720 01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:46.440 TV grabs it, and therefore it's all over Facebook. But I don't think 721 01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:52.400 the New York Times or any of the even big metropolitan newspapers are the originators 722 01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:59.119 of actual news coverage anymore. It's like the veil is gone. There is 723 01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:06.519 seeming almost no true reporting, chasing down of stories, original writing, going 724 01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:10.000 on anywhere, Mike, or or am I crazy? Is that what you're 725 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:15.599 seeing? Well, I mean there's a little bit. I'm not gonna say 726 01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:19.719 anywhere, Well, a little bit, but I mean in percentage wise, 727 01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:28.239 given the massive amount of media that is being produced, you know you yeah, 728 01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.199 generally, I think that's correct. If I said to you ninety percent 729 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:34.840 of it. Yeah, if I said, to unite the last question, 730 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.639 if I said to you, ninety percent of what we see being produced as 731 01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:42.079 news media out there is actually just parroted, repeated, or cut and paste, 732 01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:45.679 and that's it. That is literally ninety percent of the content that's available 733 01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:51.880 to the public. Is that what you feel or you're seeing that for sure? 734 01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:53.039 Okay, fair enough, So go ahead, though, because you tell 735 01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:58.079 us about what it is that you think is coming regarding this or wherever it 736 01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:00.519 was you were about to go. Because I think that's an important thing to 737 01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:04.159 remember as we look at these news stories, and you know, it used 738 01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:07.360 to be again what the public would demand, these places would put out. 739 01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:12.960 But I think they've discovered that even if they don't feed the public demand, 740 01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:17.400 people will still show up. They can still be profitable, and you know, 741 01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:22.480 again they're stuck still doing the big lead up to the twenty twenty four 742 01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:28.079 presidential election. Even in the news that's not supposed to be political, that 743 01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:30.920 seems to be the dominating thing out there, and that's it. Literally, 744 01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:36.800 reporting on the potential for a story that doesn't even happen until next year is 745 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:39.800 taking up the majority of the time. It's like they're treading water instead of 746 01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:45.119 doing reporting and following up and getting at real news events. I mean, 747 01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:47.039 on occasion you have real news, and yes, I know, you know, 748 01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:52.440 local crimes get covered and whatnot, and occasionally something like your board meeting 749 01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:55.880 there might get coverage, but look at the condition of the coverage, and 750 01:03:57.039 --> 01:04:02.280 that's it. I mean, what's out there is just it's unoriginal and uninspired 751 01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:09.719 and not actually reporting. It's just reporting. What happened to me is I've 752 01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:13.199 been looking at these you know, getting up in the morning and you know, 753 01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:18.280 we both get j piece of Tilly's news Vannel Um and I put out 754 01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:25.400 this morning email and typically spend ninety minutes a day looking at all these headlines 755 01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:30.679 and been doing it for a couple of years, and then Um around the 756 01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:33.280 you know this earlier this year, I was just like, man, I 757 01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:39.239 don't want to love this stuff anymore because I was seeing in the financial world 758 01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:44.039 a lot of junk headlines. I just didn't want to spend time looking at 759 01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:47.159 it because I know it's a bunch of crap, right, you know, 760 01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:51.679 it's it's just a bunch of junk, right. And people can still and 761 01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:57.519 I love your your your wrap ups. They're different from JP's stuff. JP 762 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:00.920 is obviously, the rundown is a very unique thing. And I've heard a 763 01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:05.159 couple of other podcasters actually literally reading just off of his rundown recently. Again, 764 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:10.400 Uh, you know, it's interesting stuff all the time. But if 765 01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:13.920 people want to, they can go over to Wall Street Window still and sign 766 01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:16.480 up. You can subscribe to a daily news digest over there, I think 767 01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:21.599 is the name of the tab, and you have ones for North Carolina and 768 01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:27.360 also for Danville right there, and you have a state and local newstab as 769 01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:30.719 well, you know, different pages. But you can subscribe and get emails 770 01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:35.119 sent directly to you at Wall Street Window dot com as well. That that 771 01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:39.559 is the tab. Use right, subscribe Daily News Digest or something. Yeah, 772 01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:43.000 that'll do. That'll do it. And uh, you know that's free, 773 01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:46.239 by the way, and you can get on it um and I was 774 01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:49.880 really hoping you were going to expand more of the local coverage, but I 775 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:57.559 think you're encountering challenges because people are pushing out stuff there that they're presenting his 776 01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:01.840 local coverage, and it's kind of a misrepresentation. So you're going to compete 777 01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:05.840 with these ghosts and echoes. I mean literally in the physical world. It's 778 01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:11.639 almost as if the echo of the noise is now louder than the original noise, 779 01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:15.440 because that's what you're getting by the time you go through the merry go 780 01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:19.480 round of all these people parroting, repeating, copy and pasting, just grabbing 781 01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:25.800 the link and kind of using people per click through clickbait. You know, 782 01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:30.000 where do you get original reporting from any more, original writing from anymore? 783 01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:33.760 Hardly anybody like we said, like you said, or like I said and 784 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:42.039 you agreed, you know, is just repetition and repeat and regurgitation, and 785 01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:46.079 that's it. Not much original content being created in the news world, and 786 01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:50.599 the financial news is one aspect of it, you know. And about that, 787 01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:55.000 by the way, just really fast, I know that there was stuff 788 01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:59.679 that went by in the news cycle that nobody really paid attention to about the 789 01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:02.519 fact and what they plan on doing and where inflation is really going. And 790 01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:06.639 as usual, they're giving us those stories about how, you know, the 791 01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:12.280 economy's bad, but maybe it's not that bad because we got this story. 792 01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.719 You know, we saw something in the retail market, we saw something in 793 01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:18.440 the job market, we saw this or that. But everybody's getting squeezed, 794 01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:23.000 Mike. You know, like we talk about with the grocery store concept all 795 01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:25.920 the time, all you gotta do is go to the grocery store if you 796 01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:30.480 want to feel that squeezing. You know, unless you're very, very comfortable, 797 01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:34.360 maybe you don't notice. But I mean generally speaking, anybody who's paying 798 01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:40.639 for their own food right and paying their own bills, they know they're getting 799 01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:44.480 squeezed, whether it's through the electric bill or their gas bill, or their 800 01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:48.639 food bill, etc. Etc. The squeeze is on, and I don't 801 01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:53.920 know, economic news doesn't look like it's all that promising or happy, whether 802 01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:59.360 you're an investor or just trying to survive the cycles. So I could see 803 01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:02.960 out news in the financial world is kind of tiresome. But then again, 804 01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:10.000 the whole thing is really uninspiring and uninspired. Um, it's very difficult to 805 01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:14.719 want to even keep up with the current events stream when it's all just this 806 01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:20.359 again, homogenized repetition and parroting, right, Yeah, exactly, that's the 807 01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:25.960 conclusion I started coming to this year. It's good. So look, before 808 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.239 we're all done, I want to give you a chance. If there's anything 809 01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:30.920 that we missed that you wanted to get to, or you know, something 810 01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:33.279 you want to leave people with a thought. Again, go to Wall Street, 811 01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:36.399 Window dot com, the being the know. It's not just about Wall 812 01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:41.079 Street at all. Matter of fact, I just pulled it up just to 813 01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:44.760 take a look. Here. Uh, you know, there's a golden silver 814 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.800 article right there about the stock of the day. Let's see how the science 815 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:55.680 of these Soviet Cold War defectors reveal the intelligence abyss part three. Geez, 816 01:08:55.840 --> 01:09:00.279 that's that's a mouthful. Um. Let's see what else we got here minus 817 01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:04.680 ties to Cuba and the growing presence in Latin America raised security concerns. I 818 01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:09.359 mean, there's lots of interesting stories here on the website. Uh, and 819 01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:12.279 there's always great stuff coming out of you. And also remind you, guys 820 01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.479 to if you don't have a copy of the War State, you need to 821 01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:19.079 get one. I'm looking forward to Dallas in November by the way, which 822 01:09:19.479 --> 01:09:24.279 you've now confirmed you're gonna go there and meet up with us, right, 823 01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:27.560 so, uh, listeners, you'll be able to meet up with Mike Swanson 824 01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:30.359 if you're going to Dallas in November. Uh, and we're gonna have a 825 01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:33.560 breakout room Prochelli dot com and all that. And I'm now hearing there might 826 01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:40.079 be some other podcasters present at the Lancer conference as well, Mike, but 827 01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:45.600 you're you're definitely going right, Yeah, yeah, that's I'll be there. 828 01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:48.920 I'm looking forward to you there the whole time. Hey, whatever it is, 829 01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:51.000 it is. Uh. You and I got to at least go out 830 01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:55.279 to dinner though over the weekend and uh oh yeah, you know, meet 831 01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:58.920 and greet some other people that are listeners and stuff to the network. I'm 832 01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:01.600 sure there's people that would to just say hi to you that are also going 833 01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:05.119 to join us down there, so uh, you know, don't don't worry. 834 01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:09.479 I won't let the crazy ones near you. I'll keep them for myself. 835 01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:16.279 Okay, sound good. I'm just making jokes, Mike. I'm looking 836 01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:19.039 forward to this, really, I am. Um, you know, it's 837 01:10:19.079 --> 01:10:21.880 gonna be fun. We're gonna have the road trip with b Pete and uh, 838 01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:26.760 I'm also gonna have some of your books available there. Uh just so 839 01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:30.439 everybody knows there's gonna be that and some o'chelli dot com swag and all that 840 01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:33.199 good stuff I'm gonna bring with me. H. It is the tenth anniversary 841 01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:39.960 of the Ochelly Effect, and it is the sixtieth anniversary of the assassination of 842 01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:44.880 John F. Kennedy. Uh So at the JFK Lancer Conference, Mike Swanson 843 01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:47.720 and I will both be there and I'll be actually m seeing the event, 844 01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:54.560 and also Larry Hancock is definitely a go. So gonna hang out with Larry 845 01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:58.119 and Mike and some of you. So looking forward to that. Anyway, 846 01:10:58.159 --> 01:11:00.680 Mike, anything you want to close out with here, I'll let you go 847 01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:03.039 because I'm sure you're tired of talking to me in my running health. You 848 01:11:03.159 --> 01:11:09.359 here next week and hopefully nothing crazy happens. Yeah, well, God knows 849 01:11:09.439 --> 01:11:12.880 what we'll have to discuss by next week, right, I mean it could 850 01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:15.279 be you know, we could have talked about North Korea. There was some 851 01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:23.640 North Korean news earlier in the week, wasn't there. What happened? You 852 01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:27.640 know what I forget at this point, I just remember there was something I 853 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.039 know, I don't think they shot a rocket. I think there was something 854 01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:34.199 about the succession and maybe his sister, you know, getting some more you 855 01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:38.960 know, prominence there. We could talk about Putin in Ukraine and how that's 856 01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:42.760 going, right, the attempted coup that happened a couple of weeks ago, 857 01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:45.640 allegedly, and what's going on with the Wagner group. Well, I talked 858 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:51.119 to Larry about that, but that's some interesting news and views. What's happening 859 01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:56.680 there. The conflict in Ukraine is continuing. We just sent them cluster bombs, 860 01:11:57.079 --> 01:12:00.800 you know about that, right? Yeah? Yeah, I guess I 861 01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:04.840 guess one day that his sister will be the leader. Huh. And maybe 862 01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:11.359 he does look like she looks like show outlive them. I'll just say that. 863 01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:14.880 Yeah, But who knows. That whole thing is very weird, that 864 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:17.239 whole family dynamic. I mean, I guess it has to be when you 865 01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:20.960 know, literally you're in charge of a government that technically speaking still has his 866 01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:27.279 dead grandfather as the head of it. Right. You know that Kim Jong 867 01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:31.479 Soon or whatever, the original you know Kim, they're the one that was 868 01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:35.079 in place when the Korean War, you know, was occurring. That guy 869 01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:39.359 is still technically even though he's dead, the head of the government there, 870 01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:43.920 you know that, right? Yeah, interesting stuff. So as long as 871 01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:47.479 all hell doesn't break loose by then maybe we'll talk to Mike about Star Trek 872 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:50.920 or who knows what next week. You're gonna try and watch that Star Trek 873 01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:57.000 maybe a little bit this week. Well, honestly, I saved the shows 874 01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:00.840 till the fall when it's all dark outside all the time. Oh okay, 875 01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:04.119 so during the summer, I'll tend to watch baseball, so I'm gonna hold 876 01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:09.680 off because especially those things. You know, did you start watching one of 877 01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:13.560 those you want to keep watching all the episodes? Yeah? I like binge 878 01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:15.119 watching them too. Well, how about this. Did you enjoy the All 879 01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:17.920 Star Game or did you watch it this year? Now, I didn't watch 880 01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:21.439 that. That's to me, that's not real baseball, so I don't I 881 01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:24.880 don't watch it. Yeah, I didn't catch it either, but I did 882 01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:28.159 see a clip. And the one thing that I found strange is I didn't 883 01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:31.960 realize they went back to doing the national and American uniforms again, because for 884 01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:36.439 years and years they just had their their regular team uniform on and there would 885 01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:43.760 be like an All Star Game patch. You remember that? Yeah, yeah, 886 01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:46.479 but I noted that they actually created national and American uniforms this year. 887 01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:49.479 But frankly, I don't. I think the National League one that was a 888 01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:51.960 big headline, like you know, the National League guard they ever wins, 889 01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:56.359 but the National League one. But I don't know who played. I don't 890 01:13:56.399 --> 01:14:00.600 know what happened. Nothing, I missed it. You didn't watch it. 891 01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:03.920 But are you enjoying baseball this year? At least? Oh? Yeah? 892 01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:10.279 Yeah, the team offall is doing really well, so a good time watching 893 01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:13.119 it? Yeah, you're you're following the Nationals, right, Orioles. Oh, 894 01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:15.159 Orioles. That's what it was, the Orioles. I was thinking you 895 01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:18.560 followed the Nationals, But no, it's the Orioles, that's what ye. 896 01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:24.560 Nationals aren't doing good. The Orils are doing great. So really, yeah, 897 01:14:25.359 --> 01:14:29.159 I got the third or fourth best record, not no kidding. Well, 898 01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:31.520 look, maybe the baseball season will be more interesting than the season at 899 01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:35.319 Wall Street and uh again guys, Wall Street Window dot com. That is 900 01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:41.439 Mike's website. But I also uh endorse his books as well. Interesting book 901 01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:45.319 on the history of Danville, Virginia. If you check out Mike on Amazon, 902 01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:47.399 I'll I'll give you a link to that in the show notes tonight. 903 01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:50.880 Anyways, guys, uh, look, I appreciate you Mike for doing this 904 01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:54.520 with me. Maybe by next week, if all hell doesn't break loose, 905 01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:58.199 we'll have a fun topic. And if all hell does break loose, well 906 01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:02.439 maybe we'll talk about that or the jfk assassination or god knows what. Right, 907 01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:08.359 anyways, thanks to Mike Swanson, and thanks to you for listening out 908 01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:10.520 there. No matter who you are, where you are, when you are, 909 01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:14.399 remember I am merely o'helly and all of you, or indeed the effect. 910 01:15:14.880 --> 01:16:12.560 Good night, the a