1 00:00:14,119 --> 00:00:18,839 I'll be heavuications. My mind is strategy verson. So I spent this pars 2 00:00:18,879 --> 00:00:23,559 out and add it on made them looking at them blow they looking at my 3 00:00:23,719 --> 00:00:28,320 bad me. I just mind end them but nothing with nothing vic them funny 4 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,600 will we let them? But ain't nobody had it when I be the head 5 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:38,719 runs out making other destraction as we had a happy really good tell still flat 6 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,280 in a bar song, my ain't on myself. It starts shoot up to 7 00:00:43,439 --> 00:00:47,159 do this, but to move fewers booful like the keys of computerist. Cann't 8 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,840 tell which one is shoot up. Group worked, school worked. They can't 9 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,640 even see the group worked. But the part's gonna lead and I cook come 10 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:58,320 to and it says sickness you cause fament. Try to get my starts in 11 00:00:58,359 --> 00:01:03,640 the lamage this and when I just said this on timing order the team that's 12 00:01:03,679 --> 00:01:07,519 body they save My floaty signed it. I was out here, like Simon 13 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,359 said, I'm like head, got put around top of my red. If 14 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:12,959 you need it, I can spread. I'm gonna get to the top of 15 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,400 the world, but I only got my legs. You'll push it to the 16 00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:19,799 limit. No, we don't just try our best. If you gotta tell 17 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,400 them something better, tell them that you're next, Miss Patrae order to create 18 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,400 them. Don't wait, come up, Puss the lead us. Sooner's time 19 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:30,840 to take my shot. I'll be feeling the parena's swoops south till my choice. 20 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,239 It's up tent it bends. A Papa might put the king to sleep. 21 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,200 Because I always spend a dream up. I've been having visions. My 22 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:42,159 mind is stracted, princess, So I spent these barts out and add it 23 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:47,400 on a read them looking at the police, say, looking at my bed 24 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:52,239 man, I just might end up for another freedom of victim funny will be 25 00:01:52,439 --> 00:01:57,040 living. But ain't nobody in mathing When I read the headlines out thinking of 26 00:01:57,159 --> 00:02:05,359 the other'spection, ask me how it happened, say all myself. We don't 27 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,759 play a round because I'm too old and I'm walking around with his injury from 28 00:02:07,759 --> 00:02:12,560 a good boss for the new league god foundation in the industry, I feel 29 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,439 the rams at the top. Then we're gonna act welding on the enemies. 30 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:16,960 You got hope with me. That's the new way. With a little bit 31 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,240 of hood energy. Most rapports the slow level. I upgraded for the cars. 32 00:02:22,439 --> 00:02:24,639 You ain't never seen that pop friends in the cutting clutching, they yall 33 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:29,120 seeing an ice cube of that swamp water every day. I used to shop 34 00:02:29,199 --> 00:02:31,639 borders, long visits within no limits. Now cheat the chong at the border 35 00:02:32,159 --> 00:02:36,120 twenty ears and that stick boy, I ain't playing a rounder that static. 36 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,439 It's a lot of clear. Those snowing mirs got y'all thinking this is mad. 37 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,120 I'm with Hope boy in a maketrit so I'm sucking gonna hey, this 38 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,080 is gonna fake issh on the make shift, yop me. This seems like 39 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,000 a shady sister, like every every float for the car, for the culture 40 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:53,560 from the prison yard mother bloat boats no hear bolls went four years without costs. 41 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:54,639 Gee, y'all cuss a little whit, I said, crazy. Got 42 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:58,960 to thank God for these plays. Ain't coming to fast late with no lights, 43 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,680 nothing, never pumping mind, Please go stew the head visions. My 44 00:03:01,879 --> 00:03:07,080 mind distracted dresses. So I spent these foss out and that in on a 45 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,319 random looking at the prodies day, looking at my payment, I just mind 46 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,080 end up but nothing nothing victim funny where we live in But ain't nobody Matthew. 47 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:22,599 When I read the headlines out the this next shi he hask me how 48 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:27,560 a happy really can tell? Still trying to give a boss of like at 49 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:49,080 on my sound and our first guest, and we just heard one of his 50 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,960 tracks. We have hoped the wrapper here in studio weathers. How are you 51 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,199 sir, I'm doing good. I'm doing good. How are you guys? 52 00:03:54,360 --> 00:04:00,039 Good? Welcome Ken and uh having me we uh and you originally reached out 53 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,960 to us. So we have a track that we're going to be playing in 54 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,960 a little bit called Mama Yeah, which is really cool. And that's first 55 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:12,800 song though Visions that also includes mister Goodbars correct. Yeah, Yeah, we've 56 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,519 had He's been on the show a couple of times, and even when he's 57 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,360 not on the show, his name comes up a lot, you know, 58 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:20,720 because he's just very active. And it's cool too that he works with multiple 59 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,439 genres of music and ex Yeah, really talented guy. Yeah, I know, 60 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:29,600 it's awesome. So it's been really good working with somebody like mister Goodbars, 61 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:32,279 because not only does he have like the rapping aspect of it, but 62 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,360 he also like educates me in like the business aspects of it. Yeah, 63 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:40,759 he's just been around the industry enough, like Nobs absolutely Yeah, fascinating guy 64 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,480 to talk to. Tell us about, Well, we'll play it. Uh, 65 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,920 we'll play that in a couple of moments on Mama. But tell us 66 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:48,360 about that track because that's the one that you that's the one you reached out 67 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:53,800 to us about specifically, So obviously that's a special one to you. Absolutely. 68 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:59,480 So my whole life, my mom was like probably one of the most 69 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:02,240 important in my life. Yeah, and recently she has been going through some 70 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,360 things in life that has set her back, and just like seeing her not 71 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:12,560 as strong, seeing her trying to like fight through these moments, it kind 72 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,560 of reminds me of where I get that fight from because a lot of times 73 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,800 people look at me in situations like why haven't you given up? And that 74 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,800 comes from my mom. That's strength. So I made this track so that 75 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,319 she knows that she she had all boys. Well we have my sister too 76 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,399 as well, but she's primarily boys and she doesn't have to be that strong. 77 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,920 Yeah. So, like when we all have a mom out there and 78 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,040 we all want to say something to her, so like I've always wanted to 79 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,439 write a song for my mom, but just like hearing like the news of 80 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,639 my mom not being as strong, as like I know that she is. 81 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:45,480 Yeah, just the words flew on the paper. I wrote that song probably 82 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:47,720 in less than twenty minutes. Oh no kidding, Wow, Wow, Yeah, 83 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,879 it's a it's a great track. Uh. It kind of it reminded 84 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:55,439 me a little bit of Dear Mama by Tupac. That's kind of the inspiration 85 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,639 behind that. Dear Mama by Tupac was one of I remember like just driving 86 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:00,720 around as a kid, and I was like, yeah, that's exactly how 87 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,680 I feel about my mom. I'm not going through any of these things, 88 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:05,800 but how I feel about her. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. So 89 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:10,399 she's heard it obviously, Yeah, what kind of feedback did she give you? 90 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,839 So my with music, so I do make primarily like secular music, 91 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:18,480 but she's always wanted me to make a Christian song. And that's kind of 92 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,360 like where a lot of the inspiration of this song was, like it was 93 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:25,800 something that I wanted to make her song that she can listen to all the 94 00:06:25,879 --> 00:06:29,680 time of my music. Yeah, so her reaction to it was kind of 95 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,199 like she was taken back because she hasn't heard me rap that way since I 96 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,480 was probably like eighteen. Oh, A lot of Christian music that's why I 97 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:41,240 started rap. Yeah, and then so just her hearing me back in that 98 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:44,560 element and everything like that, it felt great. Yeah, So I'm probably 99 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:46,560 gonna be making more music like for her to be able to listen to her 100 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,720 and like that whole genre of people, because like I do connect with it, 101 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:55,319 like that Christian religion. Yeah. Yeah, that's very cool. So 102 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,879 we will. Let's go ahead and play this now, okay, and then 103 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,560 we'll come back and oxymoron and get to know you. We also have a 104 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,800 song very appropriate for Father's Day which is coming up, which we'll play later. 105 00:07:03,879 --> 00:07:06,639 Got a balance last year, Dad got one, Mom gets one this 106 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:12,800 year. Perfect. But let's give this a listen. So the track is, 107 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:14,959 by the way, this has this been played on the radio anywhere? 108 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:16,480 No, So this is a world radio premiere. That's the World radio. 109 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,959 We like the world radio premieres around here, so very cool. We appreciate 110 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,279 it, all right, So let's check this out. This is Mama, 111 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:28,920 and this is Hope the rapper. Well and something else is playing and I 112 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:31,240 don't know why that's a second week in a row. I think that's happened 113 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:35,480 to me. These things happened I worked for at and T so dealing with 114 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:41,639 technology. There you go, all right, here we go. I think 115 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:43,720 we've got it. Here it is, This is mama, and this is 116 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:57,759 hope. The rapper octopod sent it's open sense. So this is gonna be 117 00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:01,560 okay. Mama. Let's not rain. Mama. See you when you smile, 118 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,480 you ain't got out out of pain. Mama. Don't know what the 119 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,680 same mama, looking for some change, Mama. Sorry for those I was 120 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,279 hiding in my pain. Mama, It's gonna be okay, Mama. Let's 121 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:15,399 walk through the rain. Mama. See you when you smile, you ain't 122 00:08:15,439 --> 00:08:18,600 got out of your pain. Mama, don't know what the same mama, 123 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,680 looking for some change, Mama. Sorry for those I was hiding in my 124 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:26,480 pain. Mama. What I need some menergy. I'm praying for your strength. 125 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:30,480 Still have been the table and I've been thinking about the bench, telling 126 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:33,000 them miss your turn. I tried myself and broke the wrench. It's gonna 127 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,360 hurt my back if I keep sitting on the fence only being a human when 128 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,159 it comes to my defense, showed me what is real because they just playing 129 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:46,080 this pretending I just hold my Mama meets my family in the end, came 130 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:50,200 a long way from when they call us aliens. It's gonna be okay, 131 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:54,519 Mama. Let's walk through the rain. Mama, see you when you smile, 132 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,480 you ain't got out out of pain. Mama, don't know what the 133 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,679 same Mama looking for some change. Mama, Sorry for those hiss I was 134 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:05,240 hiding in my pain. Mama. It's gonna be okay, Mama. Let's 135 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:07,399 walk through the rain. Mama, see you when you smile, you ain't 136 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:11,600 got out out of your pain. Mama don't know what the same, Mama, 137 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,360 looking for some change, Mama, Sorry for those hiss I was hiding 138 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,519 in my pain. Mama's hell him. If I could I take your pain 139 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,200 in making mine, I don't want to be your son. If Mama could 140 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,360 have shined, she told me, in this world, all they giving you 141 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:30,080 is time. The rest of it is sentergy, consistency and grind the way 142 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:33,960 life playing. And I just want to hit Rwan, but only if I'm 143 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:37,600 taking all the knowledge in my mind. So maybe all the travesties are actually 144 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:41,639 a lesson. Don't ask me your for I love her, because that never 145 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,519 been the question. It's gonna be okay, mama. Let's walk through the 146 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,679 rain. Mama, see you when you smile. You ain't got out out 147 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:50,879 of pain. Mama. Don't know what to say, Mama, looking for 148 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,799 some change, Mama, Sorry for those hiss I was hiding in my pain. 149 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,120 Mama. It's gonna be okay, Mama. Let's walk through the rain. 150 00:09:58,279 --> 00:10:01,480 Mama, see you when you smile. You we got out your paying 151 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,200 Mama. Don't know what the same Mama looked there for some change, Mama. 152 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:15,039 Sorryfulus. I was hiding in my paying Mama. That's nice, that 153 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,879 is, mama, and that is Hope the rapper here with us live in 154 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:20,200 studio. That's the world radio premiere of that track. So really really good. 155 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,639 And for that too as well. I appreciate you giving me that chance. 156 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:26,480 We love getting to do that. Oh yeah, absolutely no, we're 157 00:10:26,519 --> 00:10:30,159 glad you. We're glad you reached out to us. We'll play the we'll 158 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:33,240 play the Dad song a little bit later. But yeah, really really good. 159 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,720 Where do you record, by the way, because the production is excellent, 160 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,519 So two different studios. I do record with mister Goodbar's, but I 161 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:46,240 also work in Lowell at Stupid Genius Studios and my French has Okay, he 162 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,840 was part of a music group that went on to California, but he actually 163 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:52,639 came back here and is producing music, has his own studio. Oh, 164 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:56,519 it's been awesome because I connected with a bunch of individuals in Lowell, Massachusetts 165 00:10:56,519 --> 00:11:01,799 who have been helping lift me up in the game. So I have like 166 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:05,799 the super genius studios. I have One Eye Visuals that I record with. 167 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,759 Just I keep a close knit community that I work with. Yeah, and 168 00:11:09,039 --> 00:11:13,840 it's been great because we reach out to each other when each other has projects, 169 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:16,240 and we help lift each other to the next step. That's excellent. 170 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:22,320 How long have you been recording hip hop? So this go around, it's 171 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,559 been three years. Prior to this, I used to make music whenever I 172 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,879 was like fourteen. I remember, Oh, I think I found something of 173 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:33,320 yours online from like twenty eleven or something. Yeah. Yeah, I made 174 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,600 music when I was like fourteen. It's funny because all the old music that 175 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,879 you'll hear of mine, I didn't record in like a professional studio at all. 176 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:45,480 I had my Windows computer. I couldn't afford a MIC, so I 177 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,600 used my rock band mic. Yeah. So I literally plugged my rock band 178 00:11:48,639 --> 00:11:50,639 mic and like would just make it sound as good as it could, and 179 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,080 then I would release music that way. But it came to a point where 180 00:11:54,879 --> 00:12:01,360 I got lost in life where I stopped making music. But then I stopped 181 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:03,639 drinking. And then once I stopped drinking, I was like, you know 182 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,080 what, I was really good at making music? Yeah, something of mine. 183 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,759 And then since then I picked up the pen put down the bottle. 184 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:11,600 Yeah. Yeah, So what is it about not drinking that helped you with 185 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,080 that? Did it just kind of clear your mind and more of a focus, 186 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,559 because rather nights where I'd want to like go out and drink and let 187 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:22,879 go, I'm at home like writing or reading and like trying to figure out 188 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:26,279 different rhyme patterns and different schemes and stuff like that, because it, to 189 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,120 me, it's more than just like the rhyme and the punchlines. I think 190 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,159 it has to be a lot of deeper, like the double entendres, the 191 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,159 triple on tendres, like really getting into it, but not like on a 192 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,240 lyrical miracle level, and it still has to respect the art and still sound 193 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,519 like music. Yeah, yeah, we have a The drinking thing is interesting. 194 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,200 It sounds like that was getting in the way because we know somebody who 195 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,639 we have that conversation with occasionally, yeah, where drinking can kind of get 196 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,080 in the way. So now do you not drink at all? Good for 197 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:58,000 you? Good for you. So it's just been music for me. It's 198 00:12:58,159 --> 00:13:03,080 it's awesome to because like I'll go out to like these events and shows that 199 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:07,240 I'll have and the luster for it isn't there. Yeah. I like the 200 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:09,240 environment that I can create, and then like I go back into my own 201 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,639 little shell where I'm like, all right, what what can I do next? 202 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:15,759 Yeah? Yeah, no, that's really cool. Now are you? 203 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,759 Because there's a couple of references in the songs are are You? From Kenya? 204 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:24,120 Originally? Okay, So I moved to America nineteen ninety eight, nineteen 205 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:28,799 ninety seven. Yeah, so it was definitely an interesting trip moving to America. 206 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:31,440 There was like eleven of us and I'm wow, no kidding, yeah 207 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:37,559 wow, eleven of us two bedroom apartment and my dad is probably one of 208 00:13:37,639 --> 00:13:41,039 the hardest working people that I've ever met in my life. I've never understood 209 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,440 it till I was older, Yeah, because I always took it as like 210 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,360 punishment, because like I didn't understand like where we came from. Now as 211 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,519 an adult, I look back or where we came from. And I see 212 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:52,559 all the things that he's done, I'm like, you couldn't have done that 213 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:58,399 if you didn't focus right, right, So like being able to do that 214 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,480 has just been able to help. Is that where where your drive and focus 215 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,399 comes from? Do you think from the example set by your dad? Yeah? 216 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:11,360 Absolutely, absolutely. For a while, I was just very resistant to 217 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,879 it, Yeah, because like I had my own ideas of like what I 218 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,840 wanted life to be. I was like just like really in love like with 219 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:20,159 the idea of America and everything like that, Like, no, leave me 220 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,240 alone, I'm American. But he just like remember your roots. Like in 221 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:26,360 the end of the day, you can like do whatever you want here, 222 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:28,519 but no, and the day if you don't like behave right, if you 223 00:14:28,559 --> 00:14:31,120 don't act right, you'll get sent right back to Kenya, right, And 224 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,799 like if you don't, if you don't understand them, then it's just gonna 225 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,519 happen to you. So then ever since like I finally like sat back and 226 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:41,960 just like talk to my dad, like had these conversations with my dad that 227 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:46,240 I refused to have when I was younger, and that he wasn't wanting to 228 00:14:46,279 --> 00:14:50,120 have the conversations I refuse to have them, and since then I've been very 229 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:54,279 focused. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. Eleven of you so big family? 230 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,240 Yeah yeah, my dad has like eleven brothers and sisters. My mom 231 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,759 had probably eight, No kidding, that's a huge family. Wow. Wow 232 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,519 was that? I mean it's hard for me. I grew up in a 233 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:11,159 very small family, so it's hard for me to even imagine. I mean, 234 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:16,799 was that difficult growing up having because it sounds like you're very crowded, 235 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:20,039 especially when you first came to America. But then again, I mean, 236 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,120 if you grew up in a big family, I guess that's all you knew, 237 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:24,679 right, So I don't know, was that it's stressful? Did you 238 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,320 ever have moments where it was like, geez, I wish I wish I 239 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:31,360 had some I don't know pace, Yeah, space exactly. Honestly, it 240 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,000 comes to a point where you do you do want that space, And that's 241 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,200 where you see as an adult, where people like grow apart. If we 242 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,879 were in the position to have our own space and grow in our own element, 243 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,039 who knows what could have happened. But that's not the cards that life 244 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:48,159 handed us. So we had to look at the cards that life handed us 245 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,519 and figure out how to still stay around each other. And there's points in 246 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,320 time where we'll still like break apart, but in the end of the day, 247 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:56,120 the core is still there. Yeah, the important part. And I 248 00:15:56,159 --> 00:16:00,159 think it's those struggles, remembering how much we struggled with each other. It's 249 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,399 like, now let's just talk this out like this, this is solvable. 250 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,399 We've we've been through worse, we could have imagined worse, and we got 251 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,919 out of that. So this situation we can't make a monster out of, 252 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:11,960 right, right, Yeah, it's a good way of looking at it. 253 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:15,360 Now, when did you How old were you when he started making music? 254 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:21,279 And writing music has always been in my blood before I moved to America. 255 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:25,679 My dad called me when I was like in Africa and he asked me, 256 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:26,879 like what I wanted for like gifts. When I got to America, I 257 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:32,720 asked for a drum, a piano, and guitar. Now I don't play 258 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:36,679 all those instruments fluently to this dame, but like just that idea of making 259 00:16:36,799 --> 00:16:38,960 music was in my head. Me and my sister, we'd sit there, 260 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:44,080 we just like he had a little karaoke machine. It didn't have like it 261 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:45,279 wasn't the one with the words or anything like that. It's just like a 262 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:51,120 mic and a speaker. So we just like performed these little shows. He'd 263 00:16:51,159 --> 00:16:53,720 always have his camera too as well. So there's a bunch of videos of 264 00:16:53,759 --> 00:17:00,120 me when I was younger. I started because they were very Christian and like 265 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:03,519 Captain Varians, so like it only had me listen to like raps like Aaron 266 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,519 Carter. Okay, like bow wow Aaron Carter. It wasn't until my dad 267 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:12,480 found Nas and he respected what NAS did and he's like, this is guy 268 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:17,240 Nas. There's a video I know I can't. He had me watch that 269 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,640 with all the kids, like I know, I can't remember, like him 270 00:17:19,759 --> 00:17:22,759 like introducing me into like the whole rap world. But he didn't want me 271 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:25,880 to get too into it because they don't want my mind to get lost. 272 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,759 That's really interesting to me. So so it sounds like so so he heard 273 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,880 Nas and was like this guy's so good and Nas, I mean, let's 274 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,680 to be honestly, some would say the best ever. So he he was 275 00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:41,079 so enamored with Nas. He was like, okay, I can't. I 276 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,079 can't keep this from him. Yeah, he even had a like a DVD 277 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,400 because like back then they used to make DVDs for music videos. Yeah, 278 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:52,039 he even had NAS DVD music videos. And I don't think like he knows 279 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,880 like the impact of just not something that small did to me as a kid. 280 00:17:56,279 --> 00:17:59,599 But I was like, this is life for me. I don't know 281 00:17:59,759 --> 00:18:02,440 what else is going on, video games all that. No, this is 282 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:06,400 what I want to get into. And then once he like, did he 283 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,400 bring bring other artists to your attention to or was it kind of like, 284 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,200 Okay, no, I'm gonna show him NAS and then he's kind of on 285 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:15,319 his own. Yeah, it was more of NAS than I'm on my own. 286 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,200 He always like would we'd watch like music videos together. Back in the 287 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:26,039 apartment that we lived in, he always had music playing, but more than 288 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,279 rap. It was like an R and B home. Yeah, so we 289 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:32,920 listened to a lot of old R and b's, so like the soul and 290 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,400 all that, like melodies and all that is in me because of that. 291 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:40,519 Yeah, my sister is a much better singer. So I was discouraged when 292 00:18:40,519 --> 00:18:42,200 I was younger, like I'm not gonna get like good at this. She's 293 00:18:42,279 --> 00:18:45,200 really good at this. Yeah, I'm gonna get good at the wrap part. 294 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:47,359 Yeah, And she could say and I had this whole idea in my 295 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,799 head We're going to be this group. But she she's doing big things with 296 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,519 Amazon right now, so like I'm happy for her. Oh okay, so 297 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,039 she doesn't she doesn't still sing or no, no, no, I think 298 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:03,599 she's like the Northeast operational manager for all of Amazon's Oh so she's got a 299 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:08,799 big job. Did you ever have an opportunity to record anything with her? 300 00:19:10,039 --> 00:19:12,240 Issue? No, that's that is a dream of mine. Yeah, there's 301 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:15,519 gonna be one day where I write a hook and I'm gonna be like, 302 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,160 hey, what are you doing? I just like this one song that we 303 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,400 could have. Yeah, and that would be amazing for me. Yeah, 304 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:25,640 no doubt, no doubt. I did whenever I was younger. My little 305 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,720 brothers, I don't I'm not sure if they wanted to, but like i'd 306 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,400 make them like rap with me, and I recorded them. Oh no kidding. 307 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:37,039 Have any of your family have they also done anything in terms of music? 308 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,200 No? I'm pretty much the one who's like this is it like, 309 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:47,240 because like they're all hard workers. I'm a hard worker too, but music 310 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,519 is just something that I had an extra passion for. Yeah. Yeah, 311 00:19:49,759 --> 00:19:53,720 and you you're from Lowell you live in Lowell. No, I live in 312 00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:57,359 Hudson. Oh Hudson. Oh okay, all right. The studio that you 313 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:03,559 the studio recording, Like mostly everything I do music wise is Lowell. Gotcha. 314 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:06,359 I do it with either like One Eye Visuals or Talk of the Town. 315 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:07,440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, One Eye Visuals. I noticed at the 316 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,319 beginning of some of your videos. Yeah, they're there, now where are 317 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:15,359 they are they? He it's it's actually one man director, which is amazing. 318 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,039 His names Xavier, and he's been recording music videos for up and coming 319 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,519 artists in Massachusetts and giving them a platform for a while. He actually we 320 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,240 do shows over at the Smokehouse Andmole Okay yeah, yeah, yeah, So 321 00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:33,000 we've been doing shows over there, like bringing like legendary artists out and just 322 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:36,599 giving like everybody a chance to like shine. What you do with this is 323 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,039 up to you. But he'll put you at the table. Oh that's cool, 324 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,119 make you eat? Yeah? Yeah. Did he do the video? 325 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,839 I like the video for chin Up, which which we're also gonna play today. 326 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,680 He did that one. Yeah. Yeah, we went to New York 327 00:20:48,759 --> 00:20:52,039 for It's funny because the Dad video and the chin Up video were shot within 328 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,319 the same like twenty four hour forty eight hour span. Oh okay, And 329 00:20:56,799 --> 00:21:00,519 I was so amazed because if you watched chin Up and if you Dad, 330 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:03,240 the themes are completely different. Yeah, so in his head he was in 331 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,960 like two different worlds, while I was just like, in my head, 332 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,880 I was like, how is he gonna do all this? But no, 333 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,519 like ones like a lighter us theme for like the Dad one, and then 334 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:14,400 you have like the city theme for the chin Up. And I was like, 335 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,759 this is amazing. Yeah, when you shoot have a video like chin 336 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,480 Up. I've always been curious about this because I've I've played in a lot 337 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:23,319 of bands and stuff, but we never actually made a video for like none 338 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,440 of the projects ever did Did we ever make a video when you're in When 339 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,240 you're in the city and you're making a video like that, what's going on 340 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,920 around you? Like are people? Are people walking by and they're curious or 341 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,640 maybe that's something they see every Like in New York you probably see that every 342 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,599 day, right, people filming all kinds of things. But like, I'm 343 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,920 just curious, like, what's going on around you while you're doing that? 344 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:44,920 Kind of why I picked New York because like I knew that was like a 345 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,920 common thing over there now as far as what people are doing, they are 346 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:55,400 watching, which was something that I actually took advantage of because while we're shooting 347 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,000 the chin Up video, I like would walk up to like groups of like 348 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,519 kids, I'm like, hey, I have this one song. Do you 349 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:03,079 want to listen to it? Real QUI because I've seen a bunch of videos 350 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,240 on Facebook like that, Yeah, what's stopping me from doing that? Yeah? 351 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,480 So then I there's a couple of scenes in the music video where you'll 352 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,160 see me like wrap into groups of people. Right, I'm like, this 353 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:14,839 is a little bit awkward, but this is actually a powerful song of like 354 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,720 I could like play in front of people and know what I'm doing with it. 355 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,680 So then after a while, like people see like people watching you, 356 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:23,519 and then you just become a part of the city. Yeah. Yeah. 357 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:27,440 I was curious because it's like I would think it would be distracting in a 358 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,279 way, like you're trying to do what you're doing and you got all these 359 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,839 people around you. But then if you can involve them in it in some 360 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,480 way that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it it's 361 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,279 like at first I was like, it's just gonna be me and like in 362 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,000 my I got in my head a little bit. I'm like, no, 363 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,319 let me, let me just involve them, right, Yeah, No, 364 00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:45,759 that's cool. You know what I think we should do. Let's play that 365 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,759 one next, but we will play the dad song too. My dad listens 366 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:52,559 to the show, so we'll play that. Well, maybe we'll save that 367 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,160 one for the end of the segment. But let's play chin Up because I 368 00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:57,240 love this track, and I do encourage people to go on YouTube and watch 369 00:22:57,279 --> 00:23:00,680 the video too. The video is really really cool. All right, check 370 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:03,079 this out. This is really cool, very very positive. I love the 371 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,240 vibe. This is chin Up, and we have hope the rapper here with 372 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:18,119 us live in studio. But let's get U suspend. Let's go elle he 373 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:23,559 see okay? And my daddy was black and his daddy was black, So 374 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:27,279 miss the officer. No, I can't help that, won't you look at 375 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:30,960 the facts. Tell me who's in charge by the look on your face? 376 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,359 The roof difer with loss rather to see a sick cosse past the money of 377 00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:41,200 bass for the lives of course, the paw what distracts the lights make me. 378 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,319 I feel like a star. If I spend it today, then no 379 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,039 hope for them all. It's the system we live. Got me gin it 380 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,039 still taking my shot? Wouldn't if I don't miss. Can't live life like 381 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,079 this. Man, There's gonna be more. Yesterday I was shrouding. Now 382 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:02,039 I'm climbing the shore with this. I got a grip so the beats them 383 00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:04,920 more, got the world of my chest for them only, and George that 384 00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:08,680 will telling me stress. So I pray to the Lord. They think guy 385 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,559 was a game? Want them play on my board? No, no, 386 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:18,000 hand four. Shouldn't pull your head high. We aut did dirnt just a 387 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,440 yet? Ye we all did dirt just a yet. Ye we all did 388 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:30,559 dirt, just a yet. Ye shouldn't puld your head high? We all 389 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,759 did just a yet. Ye we all did dirt just a yet. Bie, 390 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,759 we all did. And my mama was black and their mama was black. 391 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,960 She gotta call me in fact, that's my family, my pack. 392 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,759 We spread over the mess. But Lord knows where we at. Let the 393 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,559 trick of the cat. I be calling these words. I know that they 394 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,480 feeling me and be pulling these nerves. They call them while I'm shopping. 395 00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:57,799 Man, this kin't got me cursed, you would. That's the worst when 396 00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:02,480 it follows this person. I've been stuck up a person. I just want 397 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:07,319 to be first, open everything lest running from the feet. Put my feet 398 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,240 on the path again, the swarm feet so we meet on the path. 399 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,720 Got me on a tas it's been weeks on the path. I just keep 400 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,759 walking with the world on my back. For the Panda marriage. Just to 401 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,119 Mavie relast, I don't roll the fast life. It's more than just crabs. 402 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,200 He said that. Hey, because I'm hunging them black, don't know 403 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:33,400 where I'm headed. I'm designing the map. Shouldn't pulch your head high? 404 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,599 We all did. Aren't just a yet? Bye? We all the dirt 405 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:41,960 just a yet? Ye we all did dirt just a yet? Bye? 406 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,960 Should not puld your head high? We all did. Aren't just a yet? 407 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:53,079 Ye we all there aren't just a yet? Ye we all did. 408 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,160 That is shin up that has hope the rapper he is here with us. 409 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,920 Such a great track line. I appreciate that one. Love that love that 410 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,640 one. And again I encourage people to go on YouTube check out the video. 411 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,799 The video is really cool, but it's catchy as hell, and that 412 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,759 we all did dirt get get stuck in my head that that's a great hook 413 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,240 reminded me when I was writing it. It has nothing to do with like 414 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:33,640 the lyrics, but reminded me of like an Acon type of hook, like 415 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:36,519 yeah, So I was like, let me just keep it going like y'all 416 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,480 did, just to get And then there was this old nineties song just to 417 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:41,920 get By. Yeah, So that was in my head too when I was 418 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,119 writing it. So I was like, Acon, just to get by? 419 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,799 How can I do this? And yeah came out? Is there a sample 420 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,799 in there too that I should recognize? I'm not sure if I don't recognize 421 00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:53,480 the samp Okay, there was there was something familiar in there, but it 422 00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:57,039 might just be you know, it might just remind me of something. So 423 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,680 do you in terms of writing obviously the lyrics? You also do you do 424 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,640 the beats? Do you do everything? Or no? The beats I buy 425 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:07,440 the least force, so I own all the rights for them. Okay, 426 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,839 So with writing, that's something that I take like very seriously. Like when 427 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:18,880 I'm writing, like the first song that we played, the Jordan Cradle Dunk, 428 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,359 I didn't know what that was before I was writing. Yeah, in 429 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,039 my head, I like had a picture of like a basketball move. So 430 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,200 then I like would research different types of basketball moves and then I would figure 431 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,359 out which one would work, were the better cadence inside that Oh wow, 432 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,119 that's how I fit that in. So like when I'm writing, I'm researching 433 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,519 oh wow, cool, It's like a whole thing for me, which I 434 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,160 love because it makes it more than just the song, because I could think 435 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,079 of where I was at mentally. Mm hmmm. Yeah, it's interesting. 436 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,400 I've never heard anyone explain it that way before, but that makes sense because, 437 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,279 yeah, if you're coming up with some pretty sophisticated references, but not 438 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,119 everyone's even gonna know. It's which a school too. Now can you tell 439 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,400 us about because some people probably don't know what you mean and about you know, 440 00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:03,680 leasing the beats and stuff. And we talk a lot of music business 441 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:07,640 on the show too, so I'm sure people are interested in how that process 442 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:11,279 works. Absolutely, So you want to make sure that you're very careful because 443 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:14,640 whenever like a couple, like when I first started in the game, like 444 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,200 it in my head it was like get to beat from YouTube, record over 445 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:22,880 the beat and it's yours. That's not how somebody owns the rights to those 446 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:25,640 like I get it, Like there's twelve notes, and it depends on how 447 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,720 you arrange it. But at the end of the day, you want to 448 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,880 make sure you're covering your basis so you have the ability to make money off 449 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,960 of this stuff. Because if you, let's say you accidentally because it's happened 450 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,839 to people where they take a beat off YouTube and that song accidentally is the 451 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,240 one that blows them up. Oh yeah, but then that song is accidentally 452 00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:47,279 the reason why they're in legal issues for the rest of their life, right, 453 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:48,200 And that's what you want to avoid. You want to make sure you 454 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,319 have the rights, the contracts, you say, those all in a file 455 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,559 computers, so like if anybody ever asks you, it's actually this, I 456 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,400 have it right for this because with the leases too, you want to watch 457 00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:02,000 because some of them they'll only give you a certain amount of like radio plays 458 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,519 that you can do, a certain amount of online plays that you can do. 459 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,119 I didn't know that interesting. Oh I didn't realize that until like a 460 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,000 lot recently. So then you have to buy I get the exclusives now, 461 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,799 yeah, because I don't want the chance. Where I when I first started, 462 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,200 like three years ago, there was a beat that I got and after 463 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:22,039 I got the lease, for it. Somebody bought the exclusive for it, 464 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,799 So I'm not sure how that legally, if it's even right, but they'll 465 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,960 they'll play that game. Though. In the industry, you have to make 466 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,519 sure if you have the exclusive rights. At the end of the day, 467 00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:36,519 you're the one who has the right for it. But the leases is something 468 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:38,240 you want to be careful because there's a lot of terms and conditions with them, 469 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,720 right, right, I'm old enough to remember when back in the days 470 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:48,839 when you know, somebody would put something out and it would it would use 471 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:52,880 a single a sample that wasn't cleared, you know, and then there's there'd 472 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,160 be all kinds of litigation. And this is kind of another version of that, 473 00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:59,240 right exactly Exactly. People get in trouble using stuff that they don't have 474 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:03,839 the rights to exactly. Yeah, and with the Internet it's still kind of 475 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,559 I'm sure there's a lot of I mean, obviously there's ways that you can 476 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,880 do it right, like you're yeah, absolutely, And it's also trustable sources 477 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,759 too, because you want to make sure like even if like for the artists 478 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:17,359 getting your beats off YouTube, you want to be careful because sometimes that person 479 00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:22,039 on YouTube doesn't even have the rights to the beat. Yeah yeah, so 480 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:26,319 exactly, you paid this person on YouTube and you think you covered your base, 481 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,720 but you didn't. You didn't because they didn't have rights to it. 482 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:33,759 So like I go to directly to sources like like a beat Stars kind of 483 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:37,240 thing or like a sound Click kind of thing where they can provide me with 484 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,039 the contract that I can reference to later on. Okay, because if that 485 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,960 person doesn't own the beat, and like I make a really good song on 486 00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:48,119 it, I'm almost like discouraged to even write on like YouTube beats because I 487 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:51,359 don't want it to make a good song and then it's not mine, right 488 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,519 right, gets paid off of it. Have you ever found yourself in a 489 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:57,480 situation where you had to go through and prove no, look, I have 490 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,839 this legally I paid for and has that happened to you or have you been 491 00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:07,359 able to only with YouTube when I after I uploaded a song, but they 492 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,559 were referencing to the beat maker. Okay, yeah, so the like the 493 00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:12,400 beat maker on and I'm like no, no, no, no, I 494 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,519 bought it from this person, and then I sent like the email over and 495 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:19,680 then then I was cleared. What was the process like in terms of showing 496 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:23,680 that to YouTube because I know, I know from a lot of content creators. 497 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:26,279 Know, you know, it's not like you can just call them up 498 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:29,319 and say and explain it to no. No, no. You have to 499 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,359 upload documentation, so you have to have the original documentation and original receipts and 500 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,960 everything like that. They send you an email, You click on the email. 501 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:40,599 The email brings you to a page where you upload the documents. Then 502 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,240 you wait for litigation or whatever they go through, and then they decided it's 503 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,079 yours or not. And how long did it take? Two weeks? Oh, 504 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,359 that's not bad. Okay, at least it didn't drag on for a 505 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,960 long time. Two weeks. Yeah, now, LUCKI lethile it wasn't too 506 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:56,160 long, but like still two weeks of like, man, I don't know 507 00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:00,200 about this song, Like should I just take it down? Like because this 508 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,559 might there's also the chance where like to upload that song and you're on your 509 00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:07,559 way up and that song. This actually happened to me when I was younger, 510 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,400 and this was one of the main reasons I stopped is I had a 511 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,039 love the Way You Lie remix. I uploaded yea. It had two hundred 512 00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:21,400 and fifty thousand views within like a week and I like a organic promotion. 513 00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:27,640 Yeah, they took down my channel, no warning, no nothing strikes You 514 00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,240 just took Eminem's beat. It wasn't you're right, And like as a kid, 515 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:31,960 you're like, that's not fair, but like as an adult, you're 516 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,640 like, yeah, you should have covered your base because that was Eminem's bat 517 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,519 and no matter how good you did on it, right, you didn't get 518 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:44,559 permission. And there's there's ways to do. I haven't looked into like the 519 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:50,200 remix, like clauseways, but I do have something that a cover that I'm 520 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,720 working on right now that I'm working on getting cleared for a Black Puma song 521 00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:58,119 that I did, yeah with my friend. It's actually they played it. 522 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,240 They're playing it on NHPR the end of this month. Oh no kidding. 523 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:05,200 Oh congratulations. Oh that's very cool. I'm excited about that. Very cool. 524 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,480 On what show? You know? So we did a like a tiny 525 00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:15,119 desk concert and all conquered. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm not sure which 526 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,720 one of their channels that they're going to be putting it up on, but 527 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,079 that's gonna be awesome to see up there too. Oh, very cool. 528 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,000 Yeah, congratulations, that's a big deal. That'll get you. Yeah, 529 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,359 that'll get you a lot of exposure. Yeah, very excited for that one. 530 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,480 Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, it's tricky too with the YouTube stuff 531 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,880 because the rules change, you know, like I put this show after we're 532 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:37,119 you know, we're going out live on Facebook in addition to obviously on FM. 533 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,160 But then afterward I also I download the video from Facebook and I put 534 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:44,400 it on YouTube, and sometimes I'll get I'll get different notification, like I 535 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,240 don't get in any trouble, but I get these notifications like your video is 536 00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:52,440 blocked in some countries. Yeah, never the United States fortunately, but it'll 537 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:59,720 it'll be blocked in certain countries or territories. And that's I figured that one 538 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:05,960 out actually with the help of mister good Bars and partially to the faults of 539 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:09,119 artists. And I stop doing this with my songs because as artists, we 540 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:14,719 have the ability to independently upload our music to multiple platforms. When you use 541 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,800 the websites such as distro kid like I use, it gives you all these 542 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,119 different websites. What you want to make sure is that you're picking like your 543 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,360 your titles, your iTunes, your Spotify's oh's. But there's a lot of 544 00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:32,599 random a lot of different random business like well, I don't even know what 545 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:37,159 they are, like companies that you're uploading your music to. Yeah, and 546 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,800 they have the rights to it. So if they flag your music, like 547 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,519 if they like pick up your music on a different platform and you upload it 548 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:50,360 on THEIRS to make money off of now they're just like, no, we 549 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,519 have the rights to that. Oh okay, yeah, I've seen that happen 550 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:58,639 to me. So that's why now I when I upload my music to distro 551 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,079 Kid instead of it, it felt good to have my name checked on every 552 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:05,880 single one of those platforms. But unfortunately, some of these companies that are 553 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,280 based in other countries and everything like that, they're just going to claim the 554 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,119 rights to my music. Okay, oh wow, that's diurdy. I didn't 555 00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:15,159 even know. I didn't even know about that part of it, so good 556 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,079 Bars explained it. So distro Kid doesn't even they don't warn you about that. 557 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,519 No, No, they just say upload your music everywhere, which founds 558 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,480 good. But when it comes to music, you're talking about legalities. When 559 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,559 you're talking about legalities, people can do whatever they want if you playing with 560 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:36,400 their money, right right? Oh wow? Yeah? Yeah it's funny too 561 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,559 because Uh, now like Facebook does a thing. Now, did you ever 562 00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:42,679 put your music on Facebook? Yeah, because they do a thing now. 563 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:45,559 Like I said, we you know, we streamed the show to Facebook, 564 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:49,559 and they used to They used to knock us off sometimes and I would always 565 00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,360 appeal and I would write just an appeal I had to memorized at one point 566 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,639 where I would say, you know, we're a federally licenseduf AND radio station, 567 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,679 we do a radio show, blah blah blah blah. And I would 568 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:01,639 always win the appeal, or almost always. But now what they do is 569 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,280 they send me a notification saying we're gonna leave your video up, but you're 570 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,719 you can't monetize it. Yeah, this person's monetizing off of it, exactly. 571 00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:15,199 I just got that notification. Uh the other week. I don't even 572 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,920 know what it was that I uploaded, and like I think it was they 573 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,320 said that I'm making money off of it. Yeah, like this was picked 574 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,920 up. It's hope the rappers music it hope the rappers gonna be me. 575 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:30,960 I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever. Interesting, I'm like that is 576 00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:34,599 me, but I guess. And I did share his Facebook link in the 577 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,840 chat room. Oh good god, Yes, I saw that yeah. Oh. 578 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:44,400 H Our friend Isaac Banks was asking about influences. Influences, so I 579 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:52,199 would say, now it's one hundred percent as far as j Cole is unpopular 580 00:36:52,239 --> 00:37:00,079 as that, that opinion is right now jay Z and then the win. 581 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,760 Yeah, yeah, I love NAS and I haven't. I don't really know 582 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,920 much Jake Cole. I just the hits, you know, I've never really 583 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,360 listened to him. I love jay Z ninety nine Problems. I mean it 584 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,639 changes, but that's probably my favorite hip hop song of all. Yeah, 585 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,960 that song. No matter what mood I'm in, Yeah, It'll just bring 586 00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:24,840 me up. And the video is amazing too. Oh. Our friend Axel 587 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:30,239 Bagley is in the chat room from the band Dad Harrison and various other projects. 588 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,119 He says, keep up the amazing work man, Oh, thank you, 589 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,760 thank you. I actually I think I reached out to Axel when we 590 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,239 were doing the tiny Desk things. I wanted him to play guitar. Oh, 591 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,800 the right axle that I'm thinking of. Okay, yeah, yeah, 592 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,480 he's amazing. I know him mainly for his drumming, but but everybody plays 593 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:50,719 multiple instruments these days except me. I'm a bass player. That's all I 594 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,079 can really do. I can play a little bit of guitar, but not 595 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,760 much. Let's let's because we were talking about it earlier. Let's go ahead 596 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,960 and play. I was gonna save it for the end, but let's let's 597 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,199 play it now because we've got We've got something else we can play at the 598 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,440 end too. But we were talking about the Dad song. I think we 599 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,119 should play any anything else we should know about this. Uh, Dad is 600 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:15,920 didn't always deserve it's It's definitely an intense song. So this song is interesting 601 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:22,559 because I started it as I hate song towards like one of my ex girlfriends, 602 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,440 really, and then I was writing and I was thinking about like who 603 00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:30,880 I was in that relationship, and I was like, you didn't do things 604 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:37,000 right either, Like you have issues too, Like if you're gonna sit there 605 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:39,719 and you're gonna write this song about this woman, you have to call yourself 606 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,880 off first. So then it became that and then and I was like, 607 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:47,599 what are my issues? And then I realized a lot of my issues come 608 00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:52,559 from the same reasons why I'm mad at people sometimes, Like, yeah, 609 00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:54,159 you have dad issue? What about your dad issues? Have you figured out 610 00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:59,320 your dad issues? Because you can't accuse people without pointing a finger yourself first, 611 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,920 you explaining that makes me understand the song even better. Yeah, because 612 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,840 I I listening to it last night. I understand the lyrics even more now 613 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,920 now that you say that that that totally makes sense. And I like that 614 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:13,440 you know that personal response, but you know, it's it's funny. It 615 00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,800 just as a side note, I was thinking about this a couple of years 616 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,480 ago. I remember thinking about conflicts I had had in my life along the 617 00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,559 way, like not not anything professional, but just personal issues with people, 618 00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:29,079 and thinking about kind of reflecting on how most of the time it was actually 619 00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:31,760 my own fault, you know, but I but I didn't have the emotional 620 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,400 maturity at the time to recognize it, you know. And and uh uh, 621 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,119 there's there's such a thin line between ruminating and reflecting. And I try 622 00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:46,320 to sometimes I reflecting on on things as healthy because that's how you learn. 623 00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:51,000 Unfortunately, sometimes I cross that line into ruminating, which is not so healthy. 624 00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:54,119 But but I remember reflecting on on on that, and you know, 625 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,239 and then you and then of course, you know, you start to think 626 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,400 about things you learned growing up and and what you saw like in your family 627 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,400 and your dad, your mom and whatnot, and how sometimes some of those 628 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,000 behaviors they get passed down to you exactly exactly. So that's how I wrote 629 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:13,199 the song too. So like the first verse is like you'll hear it too 630 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,239 with like the background, it's like it has a deeper tone because it's like 631 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:20,000 what my dad would say to me, okay. The second verse is what 632 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,760 younger me would say to my dad okay. And then I break it off 633 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,239 with the hook again and then it's Dad, I finally get it okay, 634 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,280 yeah, yeah, yeah, cool, All right, let's give this a 635 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,079 listen. So this is Dad didn't always deserve and happy fathers. Everybody check 636 00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:50,519 this out. This is a great track, Hope the rapper God's missions. 637 00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:54,039 Did I really need to tend to abandon? It's always on the menus. 638 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:59,039 Sometimes I looked to God and question your mind, really saying you learn my 639 00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:02,159 lesson to result my issues if I keep on tripping on these girls, and 640 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,199 while I make it, I got that of issues too. I used to 641 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,039 be his favorite till he found that money I had hidden in the basement. 642 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,159 Told me, hustle backwards and you'll never be the greatest and you don't even 643 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,679 need the crowded story on your own or maybe by some pride, and then 644 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,320 show me that's grown and sudden. You got to wonder white wore in the 645 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,239 respect they took again the pop bubble, seeing it up the mess. I 646 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,719 know you've got some issues and you probably read me next. But I was 647 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,360 in the country that I didn't know what's stressed. I didn't have a mom 648 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,159 and dad who caught a roll to check Amyria a Merrica. I felt it 649 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,280 oh my neck, and with every civil pressent, I felt the world would 650 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,280 take my son, and the end I felt they did, because so would 651 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,880 you become. I never once imagined that the soul would be on earth, 652 00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:49,679 but just imagine it if I never put the family first. I used to 653 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,679 be distraughted when you always kept me guarded the time you told me no till 654 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,440 me felt like they the hardest and kind. You told me all this, 655 00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,280 So I'm walking with the smug and toop. I got me wondering if heavens 656 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,599 fallard dog, I wanna learn to catch you all that. Why you gotta 657 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,239 work? The younger kids are laughing and the pressure turned their hurt. This 658 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,079 isn't gonna work. Why you bring me in this country if I keep wanting 659 00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:14,760 family and you keep wanting money. Why you're not gonna tell me? Younger? 660 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,280 Mean you what is playing? I'm canning to work run away the fastest 661 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,840 thing I can. Regretting your decision because I learned to being a man. 662 00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:25,559 And if I never falls and I never learned, the land got some issues 663 00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:30,920 that I really need to tend to. Entanglement abandonment is always on the menu. 664 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,960 Sometimes I look to God and whats your why really? Saying? You 665 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,440 had to learn my lesson. You were members of my issues. And if 666 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:39,360 I keep on tripping on these girls, and when I make it, I 667 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,000 got daddy issues too. I used to be his favorite until he found that 668 00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,920 money I had hit and in the basement told me, hustle backwards and you'll 669 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,760 never be the greatest. And your daddy and your white get it all the 670 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,159 late nights, heavy starving and I ain't even have a key to get in 671 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,840 the apartment. What makes it the hardest? Since I finally see the light. 672 00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,280 You was fighting for what's right and I was for my rights, and 673 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,679 every single night we spend away it made me bitter. I couldn't understand how 674 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,440 you rush. We'll paint the picture but now I'm just this game, and 675 00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:12,079 then it looks like a couple castle. All that misadvice, I just seed 676 00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:15,559 it twice tomorrow, browning in my sorrow, I don't know what about my 677 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,000 choices, sitting in my room walk consumed by the voices or maybe just the 678 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,920 noises in the ad also regretted. I kept on lying fire, So what 679 00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:28,039 did I expect? Maw got me smiling us and kill and tell my circle, 680 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,280 and every day I'm going in like when you set the curfew, I 681 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,000 didn't mean to make you scream until you turn purple. And Dad just gave 682 00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:38,280 four. We did always deserve you. Basically, I'm saying that I finally 683 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,960 see a vision I was teaching that like all the towns, I didn't listen. 684 00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:45,880 I'm sorry for your kicheons and the hounds. I made a mess, 685 00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:49,639 but I was in the country that I didn't know one's pressed. Instead I 686 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,639 call collect and you would know it's pressed. The five. So when it 687 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,800 comes to family that you never testify, I want to pay you because I 688 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:07,920 wouldn't pay my father's apologies for any time that his dad didn't always deserve Hope 689 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,920 the rapper here with us live in studio. Thank you, thank you, 690 00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:14,639 thank you. I appreciate that one. I appreciate that one. Great track, 691 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,119 great track. That video is cool too. And you were saying that 692 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,599 that was done the same the same time as chin Up chin Up. Yeah, 693 00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:24,480 yeah, so different because chin Up, you know, you're outside and 694 00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:28,880 of course then there's a lot going on. Yeah, and Dad you're just 695 00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:31,760 on the roof. But it's it's cool. He like it's weird because like 696 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,840 we shot the chin Up video and then I was like, because we still 697 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,199 had to shoot the Dad video. That's why we went out there. Yeah, 698 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,280 because I did that and then I recorded a video with Mickey FATX. 699 00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:49,559 So he like took the Airbnb we were in and just made it a scene 700 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,880 with no plans, nothing. He didn't like sit there and like write like 701 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,400 a scene by scene. Yeah, he just like in his head he had 702 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,920 like this whole idea from like when we walked into the Airbn, which was 703 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,519 amazing to see him do. Yeah. So like if anybody visual works, 704 00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:07,000 one Eye Visuals is the guy. Okay, okay, yeah cool. How 705 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,960 many videos have you done with him? Pretty much all my videos, So 706 00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:15,559 at this point we're looking at like six seven videos. Melanie La Liberty in 707 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:19,800 the Facebook live chat one of our friends from Vermont. She says that was 708 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,079 nice, thank you, thank you, I appreciate that, and Isaac Banks 709 00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:27,000 says, awesome, really awesome all the way, thank you. I appreciate 710 00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,079 that. Do you do you play out a lot? Do you do a 711 00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:31,000 lot of live shows? Yes, yes, I did. I just actually 712 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:37,719 did a little tour I did In the last month and a half, I've 713 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,119 done probably eight shows. Oh cool. Yeah. Good. Though it's like 714 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,159 two a week or something like that. Yeah, it's hard because I have 715 00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:47,559 to, like I work like forty to fifty hours outside of that. Yeah, 716 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,559 so it's like one second I'm in Portsmouth, the next second I'm in 717 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,599 like Massachusetts for something, Connecticut for something else. And yeah, you just 718 00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:58,519 got to balance yourself out. Yeah. How long have a set do you 719 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:01,760 do typically? Or does a very fifteen to twenty minutes? Yeah, and 720 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,199 that's like a standard set. Some nights I'll go thirty minutes, or some 721 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,159 nights it'll be a shorter set because there'll be a lot of people on the 722 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:13,239 list. Yeah, but you gotta make do and make an impact while you're 723 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,880 there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I used to do. I used 724 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,440 to promote a lot of live shows, and you know, a lot a 725 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,400 lot of rock shows, but some hip hop shows too, and some of 726 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,639 the other people I would work with on the hip hop shows, it was 727 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,920 like they wanted to cram as many performers in into the night as possible, 728 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:30,880 and it's like at a certain point, it's like, geez, are you 729 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,000 sure we're doing this right, because everybody's gonna get like ten minutes. Yeah, 730 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,119 that's kind of like So I love doing shows and everything like that, 731 00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:42,960 and I have my platforms that I will stick with, Yeah, but I 732 00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:49,639 can't do shows with artists who aren't serious about themselves. Yeah, Because it 733 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,639 came to a point where like you'll look at You'll look around at your environment 734 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,440 and everybody that you're surrounded by your and you're like, look at their social 735 00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:58,239 media for the last week, and you're like, I've been sharing every day, 736 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,800 I've been trying to age with my fans. You haven't done anything right, 737 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,760 So you're gonna get my work if I do this show with you, 738 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,480 And you don't want to give your work to people, right, because it's 739 00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:13,599 it's we It takes a lot to go out there. It takes a lot 740 00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:15,519 to like put yourself out there and like be that figure, the public figure 741 00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:20,440 that we are as musicians. Yeah, and you can't give that people just 742 00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:23,880 because they have fun making music and that that's it's great to have passion for 743 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,000 making music. Don't get me wrong, I'm not discouraging a single soul out 744 00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:31,039 there, but there is a point where you have to separate yourself or you 745 00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:35,360 become a part of the pact, right, Yeah, and uh, and 746 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,639 there's no excuse for not putting in that effort, right because it's easier than 747 00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:42,559 ever with social media. It's it's not hard buttons. The same buttons that 748 00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:45,679 you used to scroll is the same buttons you could use to share or like 749 00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:49,480 even like recording your own stuff isn't even that hard anymore. Yeah, and 750 00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:51,840 then they sell like the little stands and everything. They make it just so 751 00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:55,119 easy to do for yourself that if you're not, then that just says that 752 00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:00,440 you just want the like the name for it, right, and that just 753 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,920 doesn't work out in my book. Yeah, you see that a lot. 754 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:07,159 You run into that a lot, absolutely absolutely, and it it actually took 755 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,440 my video director to tell me, hey, separate yourself. Yeah, separate 756 00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:14,239 yourself, because I see I see the passion you have for this, but 757 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,639 you can't be everywhere because you've become everywhere, you become part of everything, 758 00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:20,519 and if you're part of everything, you don't stand out. Interesting. Yeah, 759 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,320 yeah, that's an interesting way to put it, and I agree, 760 00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:27,599 Yeah, I have an axiom. You know. When I first started getting 761 00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:30,400 involved in music, it was like I said, everyone wants to be a 762 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,400 star, but only as long as it's easy, you know, exactly, 763 00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:36,800 Like so many people once, once they realize is actual effort involved, they're 764 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,320 like, oh, I didn't get shares? Right? Right? What do 765 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,679 I never mind? For the example I like to use is you know the 766 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,519 rock band that thinks if they go and they play the same club every weekend, 767 00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:52,480 that you know the too, the mythical record company I like to talk 768 00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:55,920 about the mythical record company Scout. It's just kinda happen to wander into the 769 00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,000 bar one night and see them and be so impressed that, oh, here's 770 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,920 your million dollar ten album contract, Like look at the track history, has 771 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,400 this happened here yet? Right? Because if it hasn't happened here yet, 772 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,239 you might need to relocate. And you want to not be scared to do 773 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,800 things like that. But like at the end of this month, I know 774 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,760 that I'm for no good reason at all other than to promote myself. I 775 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,400 just bought myself a plane ticket to California for five days. Just wow, 776 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,920 go out there, network with people. Yeah, yeah, get myself because 777 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,039 like, here's cool, but let me just get myself out there. Yeah 778 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,719 yeah. And and because of the era that we live in with the Internet, 779 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,199 with social media and everything, you'll be able to not only make those 780 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,199 contacts, but it's easier than ever to keep up with contacts that you've made. 781 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,320 You know exactly, I'm not writing letters right, exactly exactly. It's 782 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,960 it's not like you know, you're going out there and you get somebody's business 783 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,079 card and then you you maybe you'll try to call them someday and hope that 784 00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:49,519 you can reach them. You know. It's it's all. It's it's easier 785 00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:52,000 than it's ever been to maintain all of that. So so that's great, 786 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,880 that's great. Good for you. And then as far as now the songs 787 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,639 that you have do you have are they part of an album or do you 788 00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:04,719 do you only released singles. I have one album that came out with Hollyweired 789 00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,239 ever since then, I don't so I call it more of a mixtape. 790 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,480 I don't want to call anything I put out an album. As an artist, 791 00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:17,039 you could set yourself back by doing that, because if you're coming out 792 00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:24,599 with albums, you're giving labels reference points. If an album doesn't do like 793 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,079 you're probably like, it's not to discourage anybody, like you might, but 794 00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:31,559 you're probably not gonna do like crazy numbers for your first couple of albums. 795 00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:35,599 Yea. But let's say you get a buzz and you have those albums out. 796 00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:39,360 The label is going to look at your numbers for the albums and value 797 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:45,320 on that. They're not going to value you on like your potential. Yeah, 798 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,760 they already have something they're base it on. So you could potentially cut 799 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,400 yourself short of hundreds of thousand dollars of dollars. I put out singles, 800 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:58,079 and that's how I'm gonna do it till I get the attention of a label 801 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,280 and then they're gonna put out my album for me. Yeah that makes sense. 802 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,920 Yeah, you know, I grew up in a time where it was, 803 00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:07,199 like, you know, the formula was you put out a you have 804 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,199 an album coming out, you put out a single, a little bit ahead 805 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,199 of the album, and then the second single comes out after the album's already 806 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,599 out. And of course now we live in a time where you have so 807 00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:17,639 many different ways you can do it. You have so many options. The 808 00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:22,760 attention span is so short too. Yeah, So like if you're for something 809 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,760 like an album, it's again not to discourage artists, but we also have 810 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,119 to be realistic with ourselves. There's not the attention span for that anymore. 811 00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:32,320 If you focus yourself on a bunch of good singles, once you get signed, 812 00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:36,280 then the album will come. You'll have your time to do that, 813 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,400 but until then you're working on grabbing attention. And in a society where we 814 00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:43,800 have reels and shorts, it's not going to work with an EP or an 815 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,920 LP, right, It's just the humble fact of it. Yeah, exactly 816 00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:52,039 exactly do you have? Have you gotten into the merchandising aspect of everything? 817 00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:53,280 Do you have merch that you sell it, shows and everything? Or I 818 00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:59,559 started a merch design but I haven't put it out yet. I'm thinking so 819 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,239 starting June, I'm gonna go on a ten week run where I'm dropping a 820 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,559 single every week. Oh cool, something that I picked up from an artist 821 00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:10,480 Nipsey Hustle rest in Peace, and I want to try to do that too, 822 00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:14,639 and like after they release the ten singles, focus on like the social 823 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,639 media and like boosting it up that way. Yeah, but that's when I'm 824 00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:21,480 gonna come out with merchandise once I have those signals coming out. But I 825 00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:23,360 have the designs and everything ready. The time goes so quick. We are 826 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,199 already approaching the top of the hour, and we will play we will play 827 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,280 one more of your What was the other one I wanted to play? I 828 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:36,400 think it was uh, fourth and goal, oh, which I made a 829 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,599 radio edit to that, and I think, is this You've got a really 830 00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:45,119 cool video for that? Yeah? Yeah, So that video is amazing because 831 00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:49,719 the same people that shot Joiner Lucas and like were a part of his come 832 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,239 up or oh shot that video for me. Oh cool, So I think 833 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:58,880 it's our projects to studios, Okay, so shout out to them. They 834 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,800 shot that video for me, and I got to work with the model in 835 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,239 that Erica and we were able to create something great, which is awesome. 836 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,519 Yeah. Yeah, no, it's a great track. And before we do 837 00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:10,239 that, though, before we let you go, what should people know about 838 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,440 where to find you online, how to keep up with everything that you're doing 839 00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,880 far as Instagram and TikTok. It's Hope the Rap on Facebook is gonna be 840 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:23,159 Hope the Rapper on all platforms as far as music goes, like major platforms. 841 00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:25,360 You won't find me on the smaller ones. But if you're talking about 842 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,000 iTunes, Spotify, Pandora, anything like that title, you could find me 843 00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:34,960 under Hope the Rapper And yep, that's where you can find me. Hey, 844 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,599 where does the name come from? By the way, Hope the Rapper. 845 00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:43,039 So I wanted it to be originally Hope And I don't know, it's 846 00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:45,360 just something that suck to me when I thought of myself and like what I 847 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,760 wanted to like portray as a message. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, 848 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,719 I dig it and you know, and it fits you. You know, 849 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,239 your music is very positive. Thank you? Yeah cool I Hope the 850 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,159 Rapper. Thank you so much. This has been This has been absolutely wonderful. 851 00:53:57,159 --> 00:54:00,760 I'm really glad you got in touch when you When you do the ten 852 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,760 singles there, you know, we'll we'll play those here if you if you 853 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,000 want, Yeah, please do by all means, all right, so we 854 00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:09,880 will we'll finish the segment with this. This is our fourth and goal and 855 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:15,719 this is hope. The rapper checked this out. I put Tom, it's 856 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:25,000 up getting out this home. You're getting money every day. I've been the 857 00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:30,920 option. I dont fly every way like a mucked and my kid and I'm 858 00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:34,719 a face that I'm not tim. We the ones in the back, get 859 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,239 it up and getting money every day. I've been the option. I get 860 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:44,239 five every way like a mucked and get I'm a face that I'm not tim. 861 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,639 We the ones in the back, get it up. And I was 862 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:52,000 so hustling trying to turn the pain into enough. That's some money talking. 863 00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:55,559 We don't entity discussion boging, not my brain and not laying on percussion. 864 00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:02,280 Now ignite even talks auction of tell me how inhost a function must get down 865 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:07,239 the business. They no need for introductions, any instrumental. I can give 866 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,039 you the instructions. Long time coming, y'all, don't really push my butt. 867 00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:15,800 Witness and volcanoes in eruption. If you want to smoke, we could 868 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,320 crack them like some ductions said. The world was called so she never knew 869 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,760 what love is for every reference, man, I really swear to glove. 870 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:34,800 Is this question, what's an interest for everybody? Everybody when it season getting 871 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,679 money every day been the option. I get fly every way like a mucked 872 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:44,280 and brackets and time a face that I'm not me. The ones in the 873 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:49,480 back get it up and getting money every day been the option. I get 874 00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:52,880 fly every way like a mucked and my keet and i'm a face that I'm 875 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:59,199 not me. The ones in the back get it pup and I rope this 876 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:04,039 while thinking about the oljay and how money could turn us into a cold pay 877 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,440 whatever, to make the broke pay me never forever, she's stay in no 878 00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:14,000 name for it, and they just kind of smooth and different. Usually they 879 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:17,000 had the reason how they're using payments. Unfortunately, that's the never that they 880 00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:21,760 never tell us. I'm supposeke of being flat. I'm not by propel us 881 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,519 how I'm getting green, But they fell with it. I think they tell 882 00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:27,639 us over sell us. Here the change, and I know it's nature. 883 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,599 See the man flip his ways like he was the paper. Hold this money 884 00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:36,360 in my face is a motivator. Mo hatus with successfuls talk about it. 885 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,760 Hit a beef next with a traw chalk around it, red socks in your 886 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,360 nose but I'm never clowning. Told him could have find the floor with a 887 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:45,239 water fountain,