1 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:21,760 What is up, fellow thermonuclear A efforts high and damn the valley coming at 2 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:26,280 you with another trademark hardware not smell bag. Like I said, I'm trying 3 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,280 to do two of these a week. This one will be discord specific unless 4 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,840 I get random questions on YouTube or via Twitter, which I got one random 5 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,520 Twitter. Not random, but I had a Twitter question that did not come 6 00:00:37,719 --> 00:00:41,719 via Twitter solicitation very quickly though, before we can and ball into it. 7 00:00:41,759 --> 00:00:45,240 If you have not done so already, please remember throw us that permit subscription. 8 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,679 If you're on YouTube, hit that subscribe button. It helps me out, 9 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,880 helps the podcast out a ton. 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De moost Cool had a 27 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,799 few good questions for this mailbag. Ask can when will Carter Junior do another 28 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:01,079 level up with Palo Bangko on the team as the floor general. Statistically, 29 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:07,040 Wcj's fourth year is almost identical to sabonus Is third year. Does he indeed 30 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,800 step on his footsteps? They're both undersized mobile bigs. Anyway, I've never 31 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,800 thought of Wendel Carter Jr. As Under's eyes. I will say demost that 32 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:21,800 I did not realize how similar his numbers were to h Sabonus is in his 33 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:24,599 fourth season. I looked those up and they're like, they're eerily similar. 34 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,879 It's absurd. The thing I will say is, I don't think he's gonna 35 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:30,800 follow in saonus Is footsteps, just because when you go back and watch how 36 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:36,240 he's accumulating some of these numbers, there feels like there's I don't know what 37 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,039 the word is, but one WCJ is not the passer that Sabonus is because 38 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:43,240 he's not asked to be. He's also not going to enjoy the same type 39 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,199 of post up volume that was twelve percent of w CJ's plays last year and 40 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,520 the average, by the way, one point two one points per possession in 41 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,000 the post. And so he's a good passer. I think what I'm very 42 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:58,800 interested is I view him as having some more like outside in Juice, where 43 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,479 Sabonus is gonna op rate methodically in those situations, even if even if you 44 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:07,360 see him bring the ball up the court, WCJ just seems to operate faster 45 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:08,919 there. And so that's not to say that he would be better, but 46 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:15,400 I'm more interested in him as like this explosive decision maker or even just I 47 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,120 like him more. I think he can fit more alongside someone like Ben Carro 48 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,800 and Jail and Suggs and anyone else like a Mark el Folster needs the ball 49 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,680 or wants the ball in their hands on the magic you look at w Wcj's 50 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,360 screening, an off ball movement that look to get a lot better last year. 51 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:36,000 I trust long term Wendell Carter Junior's jump shots. He shot thirty eight 52 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,800 point five percent on catching shoot threes after the All Star break. Maybe some 53 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:42,280 noise in there when you look at some of the games that he played. 54 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:46,879 What I'm most interested in seeing is how he deals with what will presumably be 55 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:51,439 less attention because also look at him when he catches the ball on the roll, 56 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,159 like defenses were showing two or three bodies to him, towards him more 57 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:58,280 than you would expect. That can't happen if you have Ben Caro and Suggs 58 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,439 is playing well and Franz Wagner's on the court, and so that extra space, 59 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:03,319 I think we'll allow him to put more pressure on the rim. Since 60 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,000 he was a little bit below average there when you're looking at his volume, 61 00:04:06,199 --> 00:04:10,280 some of that had to do by designer, by choice just looking at some 62 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:13,800 of his ballad options, little flip shots and touch a little bit further away 63 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,560 from the basket. But I'm anxious to see if they run ban Carro WCJ 64 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,439 pick and rolls, which they absolutely should, or even if they're not, 65 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:25,079 if it's faults Weindel Carter Junior pick and rolls or sugs Wendel Carter Junior pick 66 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:28,079 and rolls the magic Well, I don't think that they're just like chock full 67 00:04:28,079 --> 00:04:32,120 of good shooters. Now the roster is currently constructed with ban Carro in the 68 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,279 fold. They brought Mobamba back, Gary Harris comes back, Terrence Ross is 69 00:04:35,319 --> 00:04:41,759 still there for now, they have enough like surrounding shooters Franz Wagner of course, 70 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:45,360 to where WCJ is gonna have easier paths to get to the rim. 71 00:04:45,439 --> 00:04:50,639 And so I don't know if WCJ will be as central to what Orlando's doing 72 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,120 offensively, if you want to see him have the ball in his hands, 73 00:04:54,319 --> 00:04:58,920 but I don't think he needs to be that type of player to have an 74 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,800 impact. Look, let's call it what it is. There's a chance that 75 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,399 Wendel Carter Junior is still an All Star. He is, He's young enough 76 00:05:04,439 --> 00:05:08,560 to where he can continue to improve. He just wrapped up his age twenty 77 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,480 two season. He was largely written off because of Chicago, and his pass 78 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,480 has mattered. They weren't like super complicated passes, but teammates shot almost fifty 79 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:19,399 four percent on their looks when they took a shot after a pass coming from 80 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:25,839 him. And also there's more like I want to say laterality, which probably 81 00:05:25,879 --> 00:05:29,439 isn't a word to Wendel Carter Junior's offensive game. If you put the ball 82 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:31,279 in his hands, he I think it was a game against the Doubs last 83 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:35,519 year he hit like this two or three dribble escape, dribble three, and 84 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,000 it was just glorious to watch. And so he's been a player I've been 85 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,920 thinking about a lot of what is his ceiling? It feels undefined. Do 86 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:44,439 I think he's ever going to be an All NBA center? I'd probably bet 87 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,600 against it. But if he told me how Wendell Carter Junior was in the 88 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,399 All Star discussion this season, I'm not going to be shocked. There's more 89 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:55,639 mobility from him on defense than there is alongside We're not alongside, but from 90 00:05:55,639 --> 00:06:00,800 Doma Sabonis as well. And I also liked the fact that Sabonis can make 91 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:04,439 can devastate as a playmaker from a standstill, and even just like if you're 92 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:06,879 gonna put the ball in his hands and tell him to try and get his 93 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:12,800 way towards the basket, there's just more like jet fuel or pop to what 94 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,600 Wendel Carter Jr. Is doing. He might be best if he's catching the 95 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:18,600 ball on the move, but like he can get going downhill off a standstill 96 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,680 like and really get going. And so I view him as more complimentary than 97 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:27,120 Sabonis, which is not to say better, but I think easier to fit 98 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,839 in inside this ecosystem where the Magic are gonna want to feed plenty of other 99 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:34,879 players, and quite frankly, when you look at Sugs and ben Caro and 100 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:39,560 even Fall specifically, they're gonna need to feed a bunch of other players. 101 00:06:39,639 --> 00:06:43,160 And so I just think this is all to say. I think Sabonis and 102 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:47,560 Carter Junior, despite the statistical similarities, are just much different players by the 103 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:53,480 avenues through which they got there, and so that's not a problem. I 104 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,439 don't think that Wendel Carter Juire needs to be the number one or number two 105 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,560 option on the offensive end. This is someone who I think could just within 106 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,600 the ple flow of the offense. I don't want to say not having plays 107 00:07:01,639 --> 00:07:03,680 drawn up for him, but not having to toss the ball to him in 108 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:09,199 the post or or you know, like from the high elbows or just like 109 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:13,199 a like beyond the arc and have him run these handoffs. I don't think 110 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:16,399 he honestly needs that. He can get to fifteen plus points like he did 111 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,879 last season, maybe even flirt with twenty entirely within the flow of the offense. 112 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,759 And I'm just again very intrigued to see what he might do with either 113 00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:29,040 you know, is it going to take more threes? Three point five attempts 114 00:07:29,079 --> 00:07:30,879 per game is fine, but you want to see that number go up, 115 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:33,720 or se just have even higher quality twos to take because of the extra space 116 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:38,079 that should be around him. And his passing might improve from there too, 117 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,959 because like I said, he did a really good job diming up cutters and 118 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,600 even finding some shooters beyond the arc. And he will swing the ball very 119 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,519 quickly as well. And so he's the type of player where you scale his 120 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,759 game to a better version of the magic and you have to envision Wendell Carter 121 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,000 Junior actually being better, and so you want to see the three point clip 122 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,519 come up. I think getting the extra rim pressure will hopefully bring up his 123 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,279 free throvevolume. That's tough to do sometimes when the ball is not perpetually in 124 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:05,040 your hands. Like I said, though, when he gets going and is 125 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,199 going downhill hard teams should be able to foil him. Needs to bring the 126 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:13,160 free throw clip up sub seventy percent last year for the season. Not great 127 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,160 good, a certainly good enough rebounder to play a center position. So the 128 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,639 question here can Wendel Carter Junior level up? Absolutely? And this is someone 129 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,199 that I would watch as Look, if you want to pick sugs, I 130 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,920 would not pick rookies as part of this exercise if you wanted to say that 131 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:31,399 Wagner is going to do it. But if you're looking at a breakout Kennedy 132 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:37,440 on the Orlando Magic relative that would happen last season, it's Wendell Carter Junior. 133 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,039 Feels like, no, he might not have the most runway to improve, 134 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,919 but it might just be set up best for him to improve based off 135 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,360 what we just saw last season. And so I'm not ruling out in All 136 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:48,879 Star trajectory for Wendel Carter Junior at this point, and frankly, you shouldn't 137 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:54,240 either. I know players can sort of be considered what they are entering year 138 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:56,440 five, but like, that's not always the case. If you told me 139 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,759 that Wendel Carter Junior was just worked his way into the discussion for most improved 140 00:08:58,759 --> 00:09:01,960 Player, I'd be a little bit surprised, and less the context of his 141 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,639 game changed the ton He probably deserved that buzz this past season that he didn't 142 00:09:07,639 --> 00:09:09,679 really generate when you look at who all the other candidates and the ultimate winner 143 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:13,600 was. But I wouldn't write him off of that discussion. You tell me, 144 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,720 there are just so many possibilities left for Wendell Carter Junior, And yes, 145 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:20,600 I'll bet against all NBA because you need to be a top three center 146 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,039 or I guess the way they fuck with positions now, you could be like 147 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:24,840 a top six center technically and get it as a forward anyway. I don't 148 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,639 know if he gets there, but this is someone who's really good. And 149 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,240 that's why I think when there's been a lot of questions about would you rather 150 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:35,039 have the Magic or the Pistons next season specifically, it's why I'm leaning towards 151 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:39,120 the Magic because they have a Wendell Carter Junior in addition to and Franz Wagner, 152 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,960 but in addition to like having the Bank Hero and Sugs and how that 153 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:46,000 applies to the Pistons having Kay Cunning him and Jay Nivey among others. Obviously 154 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:52,720 great question, but the Magic look they were already worth watching. I just 155 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,240 think that they're still room for Wendell Carter Junior to grow, even if, 156 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,879 like I said, there's less centrality to the way that he's used on offense. 157 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,679 The Bronx with Hallow Ground ass and I thought way too much about this 158 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,799 scenario and it's cropped up before. But the Bronx with Alan Ground asked. 159 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:11,240 With the rumors about the Celtics possibly shopping Jalon Brown, would you would do 160 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:13,919 a Brown for brandon Ingram trade. I feel like the Ingram Zion CJ combo 161 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,360 is kind of clunky. They all kind of need the ball a lot. 162 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,840 I like the idea of Zion Brown CJ. Brown could help bolster the defense 163 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:24,240 next to Zion and CJ, and scaling back his uses from what the Celtics 164 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,559 needed would make him a better player. Ingram isn't the defender that Brown is, 165 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,440 but I think he offers more self creation and playmaking. What are your 166 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:35,279 thoughts so to start with I, aside from the deal itself, I agree 167 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:39,279 with everything you said about the difference between these players, Brandon Ingram. If 168 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,240 you need to jump start a pick and roll, jump starting offensive set, 169 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,120 get someone's, rely on someone's maybe in between touch, you want him on 170 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:50,399 your team. He's just a better creator right now. And then Jalen Brown 171 00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:52,919 is. I don't want to say he's a complimentary player, but he's not 172 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:56,879 just three indeed does more than that. I think it's easier to plug him 173 00:10:56,879 --> 00:11:01,720 into all these other situations and he will work on more teams than Brandon Ingram 174 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:05,519 might. What I will say is I don't view Zion, CJ and Ingram 175 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:11,039 as clunky, because you want to have as many primary playmakers on your team 176 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,159 as possible, so long that what they do can spill over two off the 177 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:20,480 ball, and for Zion, CJ and Brandon Ingram it does. CJ is 178 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,879 a very good shooter off the ball, and I think he showed some on 179 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,639 sat chemistry with the Pelicans. Zion coming back changes a lot of that. 180 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:30,919 But Zion, despite not being this high volume jump shooter, he is devastating 181 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:33,039 off the ball, get the ball to him in transition, or if he's 182 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:35,039 setting screens and going down hill, or you're just throwing him lobs. He 183 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,440 works off the ball and then brandon Ingram. Yeah, his off ball touches 184 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,399 improved as well. He's not this high volume catching three point shooter, but 185 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,240 he's become a rock solid one, and so I think he scales two more 186 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,960 situations than people will currently credit him for. It might be harder to fit 187 00:11:50,039 --> 00:11:54,000 him in, but I think that you want to load up your roster with 188 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:56,480 guys who can make plays on the ball, especially if they're if they can 189 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:01,519 exist off the ball. What's interesting about is the Pelicans still probably use Jellen 190 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,799 Brown defensive juice, and I think Brown gives you more pure rim pressure Ingram 191 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:11,159 likes to Bali on his drives more than Brown does. The trade off there 192 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,080 is that Brown can get tunnel vision, but he was an excellent finisher around 193 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:18,080 the rim, and he will burst through the soul of defenses when he gets 194 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:22,080 going downhill. I also think that you look at his turnover to assist ratio 195 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,879 Brown's, and you also look at some of the passes he throws. Some 196 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:26,720 of the turnovers that he actually commits. I understand why some people might be 197 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:30,559 low on him and think that he's never going to make the Tatum like jump 198 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,240 as a playmaker, let alone becoming someone like you know, like a like 199 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:37,919 a Lebron that like that was never on the table. I almost feel like 200 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:43,120 he's an underrated passer too, and that we've exacerbated the issues with this handle 201 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:48,159 just because we saw it happen in the playoffs. And yeah, that that 202 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,960 matters, because if it's the extra attention he's getting, or if he's capitalizing 203 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,639 predominantly on the attention that Jason Tatum is drawing, that has to change the 204 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:00,440 complexion of how we view this game. But it feels like there's more on 205 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:03,919 ball creativity there. You saw him like kind of stop and turn and fade 206 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,519 and pop around the basket. When he gets going and he can hit those 207 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:09,000 shots, you don't want to slow things down and have him run a pick 208 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:11,799 and roll. And so if your boss and I get the appeal of having 209 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,919 Brandon Ingram, So these are two very valuable players. What I think is 210 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,200 also interesting it deserves to be mentioned Ingram is about a year younger and has 211 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,519 another year left on his deal, so he's more expensive. But where Brown 212 00:13:24,799 --> 00:13:28,080 is going to is slated to become a free agent in twenty twenty four. 213 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,720 He does not have a player option. He just says two more guaranteed years 214 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:35,960 left. Brandon Ingram isn't slated for freeing until two and twenty five. It's 215 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,320 also because Brandon Ingram's final year salary is thirty six million dollars. This will 216 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,600 tie into I think our last question the mail bag, by the way, 217 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:46,679 but it's more likely that he will extend off of that number because one hundred 218 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,200 and twenty percent rays off of that would be forty three million or whatever it 219 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,879 is. And so that's closer to what would be his absolute max at the 220 00:13:54,919 --> 00:14:00,000 time unless the salary cap there's no smoothing, and that thing just fucking jumps, 221 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:03,240 and so you don't have to necessarily risk him getting into free agency, 222 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:07,879 where with Brown it's fay to complete just extending him off that number he's making. 223 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:09,960 Look, so you're talking having that extra year of Ingram and the fact 224 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,200 that he got a max his final year salary that you would extend off of 225 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:18,039 his thirty six million dollars. Brown's final year salary, which was submax and 226 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,159 it's going to expire a year earlier he would be extending off of thirty point 227 00:14:22,159 --> 00:14:24,039 seven. That's a huge difference when you're looking at someone again who hasn't even 228 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:28,799 been given his first MAX yet. Now you sort of sprinkle in the fact 229 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:33,320 that there have been trade talk surrounding Brown with Kevin Durant, maybe he becomes 230 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,080 a little bit more disenchanted with Boston, or like the question poses, do 231 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:41,080 these players sort of film needs for either team where the Celtics get that other 232 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:48,440 creator that they want while New Orleans shores up its defense and then gets I 233 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,039 think you can call Jaylon Brown a better shooter, not a better off the 234 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,799 dribble shooter, but a better shooter or a more reliable floor space or however 235 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,000 you want to want to frame it. My gut says, because of the 236 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:03,600 defensive value that Jolen Brown brings that the Celtics won't view Ingram's extra year of 237 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:07,600 his salary, especially when it's more than Brown's, and maybe just the extra 238 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:13,600 control as enough of an upgrade over Brown. And that's more like you're talking 239 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:18,000 about Brown being involved in a conversation for Kevin Durant, who's one of the 240 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,639 greatest shot creators and makers alive of all time. Brandon Ingram is not that, 241 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:26,200 and so while he could be the second engine of your offense, I 242 00:15:26,279 --> 00:15:30,200 do still think that if you pull the bunch of executives, they would still 243 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,679 prefer Brown because of the defense, because there's a little bit more plug in 244 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:37,000 playing this on offense, and they're going to appreciate Brown's rim pressure and maybe 245 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:41,279 even overlook some of the passing issues he has. And I know people said 246 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,360 the words that are coming out as his offensive game is a mechanical, robotic 247 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,240 however you want it from rigid, and there is a certain rigidity to the 248 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,399 way that he plays, but there's also more valuability too, and so you 249 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,320 might take that. You know we're talking about. By the way, Jalen 250 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,840 Brown is not like he's eighty. He just wrapped up his age twenty five 251 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:03,080 season, so he can still get better. And so that's what my gut 252 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,879 says, Well, I personally do this trade. I don't know if I 253 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:08,799 would necessarily do it for either side, because I think the Pelicans best path 254 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,720 to being uber successful is to stack the deck with on ball creators who don't 255 00:16:14,759 --> 00:16:18,039 overlap too much with each other. We don't know what's going on with Zion's 256 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,679 health. CJ. McCollum isn't exactly super young at this point, and Ingram 257 00:16:22,679 --> 00:16:26,440 earlier in his career had some injury issues. We saw CJ deal towards the 258 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,559 tail end of his time in Portland with some injury issues as well. You 259 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:33,919 just want to hedge against those bets, and so you don't need the secondary 260 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,200 or even like a second primary shock creator. Let's call it as much as 261 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,759 Boston does right now, since it's still is it Brown? Is it brogged 262 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:45,480 in as it Marcus Smart? They're still asking that question. So there's Tatum 263 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,679 and then there's still sort of a fuzziness on the number two pecking order. 264 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,879 But if you're New Orleans, still trying to pronounce it not the way that 265 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:56,639 people hate it, by the way, so hopefully everyone appreciates the effort to 266 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,559 try to remember if you're New Orleans, I still think you need Ingram and 267 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,440 that you'd rather take the ceiling on his on ball creativity than have to acquire 268 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:10,480 Brown where even if it's just straight up and there, I do believe that 269 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:12,680 the money, like in their current salaries would work. Straight up we're talking 270 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,920 about twenty eight seven versus thirty one. Yeah, so you can just trade 271 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:22,359 them straight up. There's a chance that Boston would demand something else. And 272 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,400 also just now you risk Brown getting to free agency one year sooner, and 273 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,000 could he leave. And like I said, the Zion element matters a lot 274 00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:33,839 to me, where maybe Brown is just the better catch and shoot guy if 275 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:38,039 you want Zion really operating on Ballaton, but you also want Zion to be 276 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,039 your screener at points or to just get rolling towards the basket, even it 277 00:17:42,079 --> 00:17:45,960 was from a stand still without a screen Ingram's going to do a better job 278 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,000 of finding him there. And I just if there was a real fit issue 279 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:56,720 between New Orleans and or CJ. McCollum and Ingram and Zion, if if 280 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,279 I was actually concerned about what that looked like, maybe I can that are 281 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:03,680 this Also, I think the Pelicans they showed a lot of defensive improvement after 282 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,319 their three and sixteen start, whatever it was under Willie Green, especially he 283 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,640 got them to get back in transition. Some of their rotations were just more 284 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,400 on point, where they were less like these wandering children lost in a supermarket 285 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:17,960 or wherever you want to frame it, looking him at half court, and 286 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:22,759 now with Herb Jones, Trey Murphy, even Dyson Daniels coming in, it 287 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:25,240 feels like they might be able to and Larry NaN's junior two, let's not 288 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,480 forget about him, it feels like they might be able to upgrade their defense 289 00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:33,039 this season, especially if Zion improves there in any way whatsoever. So I 290 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:36,559 don't think I would do this for either side, but it is a fascinating 291 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:40,000 discussion. If you flip flop these two players, which team gets better or 292 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,240 do they both somehow get worse? And I honestly don't know the answer to 293 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,400 that question, because you are giving up. You know, there's a defensive 294 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,319 down grade just as much as there might be a shot creation down grade going 295 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:55,960 from Ingram to Jaylen Brown for New Orleans, there's that shot creation downgrade, 296 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,480 but there's that defensive downgrade still as much as Ingram has improved for Boston if 297 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,160 they went from Round to Ingram. And I also finally, like there's been 298 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:06,880 we haven't even heard that the Pelicans would be willing to give up brandon Ingram 299 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,599 and Kevin Durant trade if push comes to shove, and Katie said, I 300 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,400 want to go to New Orleans and that was that was that. I do 301 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,359 think that the Pelicans would they would try to construct the deal without Ingram and 302 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,319 I think that they could do that when you look at all the picks they 303 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,799 have an addition to the youngsters. I do think they would if Kadi said 304 00:19:21,839 --> 00:19:23,400 I want to be in New Orleans. But that means said, we haven't 305 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,960 even heard that. He's not been deemed the level of untouchable as Scottie Barnes 306 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:32,359 most because the Pelicans have existed on the fringes of the Kevin Durant discussions. 307 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,720 We don't even know how involved they are. It's just us, these talking 308 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:38,640 heads discussing it really and there's been some chatter like behind the scenes, we'll 309 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,559 hear it from people. So yes, you know that there's a tangential involvement, 310 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,960 but it's not front and center. And then also the Celtics, are 311 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,200 you trading Jalen Brown if you're not getting Kevin duran we haven't is he eminently 312 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:53,839 available? And if look, that might be another podcast like what could you 313 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,240 get in a jail and Brown trade that's independent of KD And are there any 314 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:02,640 worthwhile deals? I think this would be worth at least thinking about for both 315 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,000 sides. I have a feeling Pelicans fans would immediately say that it's not that's 316 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,319 just my guest, that's thought an insult. Maybe it's not. I'm a 317 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:11,400 feeling A bunch of healthic stands would say, Hey, no way, it's 318 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,240 an interesting thought exercise. I ultimately wouldn't do it for either side. What 319 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:15,039 do you think, though, let me know, let me know what the 320 00:20:15,079 --> 00:20:19,240 comments about this question, which I clearly thought and talked way too long about. 321 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:25,519 Demost Quoll again asked, how do you see Haliburton's scoring average this season? 322 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:27,839 If we accept that he's a past first point guard, isn't too difficult 323 00:20:27,839 --> 00:20:30,480 for him to reach the twenty points per game mark? Chris Paul only did 324 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:34,480 it for two seasons out of seventeen, despite being efficient and clutch. Yeah, 325 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:37,799 you're sort of spot on here. I don't want to pigeonhole Tyrese Haliburton 326 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,039 to the Chris Paul two point zero comps that he continues to get. But 327 00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:45,000 look at the I don't even want to call it an opportunity. Look at 328 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:51,319 the burden he was carrying when he first went to Indian shout out reett Bauer 329 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,880 did discuss this in our discord when this question came in. But tyres Haliburton 330 00:20:53,960 --> 00:21:00,279 average seventeen point five points and thirty six point one minutes per game after going 331 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:03,599 to Indiana, that was at twelve point four field goal attempts slash five point 332 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:10,000 three three point attempts per thirty six minutes. That's like he's not going to 333 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:12,240 get I would think a higher volume opportunity than that. Christo Wartey didn't play 334 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:15,720 the final month of the season. Benedick Mathren's now in the fold. If 335 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:18,759 Turner's there, I think you're probably gonna try and feature him a little bit 336 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:22,839 more, just in advance of his free agency, or to see what you 337 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,839 might have if you give him a little bit more self creation. And so 338 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,000 my bet would be, given how responsible he's going to be for setting up 339 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,599 other guys, but also some players specifically Duarte and Mathren, who are going 340 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:37,799 to infringe upon his volume, I would bet against it next season. That 341 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,519 being said, his path to getting there is actually shooting more. Twelve point 342 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:45,799 four attempts per thirty six minutes is not like, especially on that roster that 343 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,599 he was working with at the time. And Kenny jack up his three point 344 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,720 volume. I won't rule it out, and like the most cool said Chris 345 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:56,640 Paul, did get there for a couple of seasons, and it wouldn't like 346 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:00,240 if I set the over under on his scoring where it was at Indie last 347 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:03,039 year at seventeen point five. Honestly, don't know what I would pick. 348 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:07,839 I might take the over but still go under twenty points. It's just it 349 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,640 doesn't feel wired into his game Haliburton to be that aggressive looking for his own 350 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,079 shot. And I think what will be critical is either that changes or do 351 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,720 they get him taking more threes, either if it's as a catch and shoot 352 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,920 guy or he's just more confident in is off the dribble looks. Do I 353 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,599 think he'll ever get there for his career. I'm just gonna say yes because 354 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,319 I am drunk on Tyrese Haliburton everything and the fact that he was just viewed 355 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,279 is just like this, like eminently like really good player who wouldn't dominate in 356 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:37,240 anyone facet. I just don't. I don't buy it. The passing, 357 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:41,440 the live dribble passing is just there and it's fantastic, and he is more 358 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,880 of an off the dribble threat pretty much at every level, certainly at the 359 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,279 bottom level and at the top level threes, threes and around the basket. 360 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:52,160 Then people give him credit for this is someone who has in a very clearly 361 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,880 to me an all NBA ceiling, and so I will say he gets there 362 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,759 at least once in his career. Let's revisit this in ten years and see 363 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:04,279 I'm at Christopher asked with the Durant Irving Mitchell trades apparently at a standstill because 364 00:23:04,279 --> 00:23:07,759 of the haul Utah got for Gobert, do you think the NBA should come 365 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:11,519 up with a set cost for certain caliber level players like Pat Beverley would be 366 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:14,759 worth X amount of players and X amount of picks, while Durant costs and 367 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,519 picks and players would be more since he's a higher caliber player. I hope 368 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:21,319 this makes sense. It's in my head, but then I started typing it. 369 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,480 Thank you for this, crushing Christopher and Glad and Discord. Edit. 370 00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:29,640 There is kind of already a rubric in place because the MBA you need to 371 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,920 match salary, not dollar for dollar, but be within the realm depending on 372 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,680 where you are relative to the luxury attacks or salary cap. I would lean 373 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:41,279 know that I don't think they should or really can come up with a way 374 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,319 to provide a uniform cost for players, just because I believe that the value 375 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:48,559 of players is too subjective, and just look at the difference in criteria, 376 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,160 not just age. In this case where it's like Kevin Durant is going to 377 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,000 go into his age thirty, age thirty four season, whatever it is, 378 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,960 but brandon him was about Brandon Ingram is about to go in to his age 379 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,400 twenty five season. That's a big difference. Contract length. Kevin Durant has 380 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,799 four years left on his deal versus are you trading for someone who has one 381 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:11,359 year left on his deal? And then there's also just the overall skill is 382 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,039 how do you delineate between stars? Like yeah, okay, there's one end 383 00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:18,240 of the spectrum of Beverly versus Durant, but like what about Ingram versus Brown? 384 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:19,799 Should those two cost the same on the trade market? That might be 385 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,200 an example of two players that that should come pretty close to that. And 386 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:30,000 there's also just like player archetype where certain teams don't need to give up as 387 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,160 much for their last piece or even a star that they're acquiring, but maybe 388 00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:37,559 there's a team that desperately needs a five versus that definitely needs a wing or 389 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:41,880 depends on how they want to play. Minnesota was very clearly for a while 390 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,640 in the market for a big and that's why they gave up so much for 391 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,960 Gobert. Whether they should have given up that much, that's a different story, 392 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:52,680 but that is the market is. It's just it's supply and demand there. 393 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,720 And there's also the context under which the players leave, if it's the 394 00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:00,200 team deciding to trade a player if a player asks. I do think that 395 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,400 with what Christopher is suggesting, would help teams that are kind of bent over 396 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,319 a barrel if players get closer to the end of their contract, the final 397 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,160 year, two years left, whatever it'd be like if Donovan Mitchell requested out 398 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:15,640 after this season with two years before free agcy, or even after next season 399 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,400 was one year left on free agency. And so I get that aspect of 400 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,200 it, but I also think, like the way that star trades have working 401 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,200 out worked out for the most part lately, we haven't seen like any team 402 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,240 just get absolutely fucked in the return. It was widely considered that the Pelicans 403 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,240 did well for Drew Holiday, that they did well for Anthony Davis. It's 404 00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:37,839 why have you been considered that the Jazz did well for Ferrudy Gobert as well 405 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,759 well, even the Spurs with Tamarta Rosie. Look what Chicago gave up, 406 00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:45,599 Orlando for the Nikola Vuchevic with what Chicago gave up and so, and the 407 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,119 Spurs with the Jante Murray and so. I don't think that the only thing 408 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:53,759 this would succeed in doing is repressing to me the star market for teams that 409 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:57,079 have already spent all their assets for some of them. For a squad like 410 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,680 the Lakers are now like the Timberwolves, it might make it easier for them 411 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,000 to acquire a certain star if they wanted to open up anything. The only 412 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,440 thing I could really see the lead doing is capping or uncapping the number of 413 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,359 first rounders that get sent out in any deal where it's no, you can't 414 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,559 trade more than in addition to Stepian rule like three that that's the max, 415 00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:19,839 uh and then that that's like you know, it might save some teams from 416 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,480 themselves, but then it hurts teams where the star does ask for out or 417 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:26,480 wants to leave, or because you uncap and say fuck the Stepian rule, 418 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,119 or if it's a singular trade where yeah, you have to abide by it 419 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:36,680 if you already have a pick that is like like conveyable out in the distance. 420 00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:38,680 Let's use the like the Hornets as an example. But if you own 421 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,119 all your first round picks like the Suns, can you trade them in succession 422 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,480 now any years out that you want? So there, if they made tweaks, 423 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,599 maybe it's along the lines of that, But I don't think that we 424 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,160 could ever see a set value for Stars versus would other like any other players. 425 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,039 And again, you still get into complications there even if you tried, 426 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,640 because how do you view like, yeah, Patrick Beverly's a different player from 427 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,759 Durant, but he's also making like a larger salary than if you were decided 428 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:07,400 to move like a Kenrick Williams. At this point, I think you could 429 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,160 argue that ken Rick Williams has more value than of Beverly, and so the 430 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,079 money that these players are making also matters, since you have to match it 431 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,519 as the team that's acquiring them. Nuggets Fan, ev how many games in 432 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:23,119 the next season will Bones Highland become a household name. I'm just a little 433 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,720 bit insulted that Nuggets Fan doesn't consider Bones Island a household name. He's not. 434 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:32,200 I'm just kidding. He's he's a Hardwood Knox hold name. I don't 435 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,279 really know what the fuck that means, but Nuggets fans know him. People 436 00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:37,319 listen to this podcast know about him. I would say, go look at 437 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,720 Denver's first back to back of the season, and then that's when he'll become 438 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,079 the household name because he will be starting. Jamal Murray's not going to play 439 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:48,640 both ends of back to backs, I imagine when the season starts, at 440 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,440 least not at the beginning, maybe not all all year since he's coming back 441 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,519 from that ACL injury. And I guess the Nuggets could go a different route 442 00:27:55,559 --> 00:28:00,000 to try and preserve their bench. Matt Moore, who does a fantastic job 443 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,839 covering the entire league with the Nuggets as well. Him and Adam Madez do 444 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,640 the Lockdow Nuggets podcast. On a recent episode, they were discussing how Michael 445 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,079 Malone doesn't really like to tinker with the bench rotation if it's working, and 446 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,079 so let's just say the bench rotation is working because bones Hihland is the sixth 447 00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:18,039 Man of the Year candidate, which I'll get into that in a second. 448 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,759 So where you all of a sudden gonna start Bruce Brown instead, or you 449 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:23,559 like the does is Smith just step in and then you give him a quick 450 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,680 cook? I don't know, but because of what's gonna happen with Jamal Murray 451 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,880 and even can you count on Michael Porter Jr. I imagine bones Highland he 452 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,799 It wouldn't shock me if he's one of those I don't think a second year 453 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:38,279 player will win it. But if he's tangentially mentioned in most improved player discussions, 454 00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:41,279 if he's mentioned in sixth Man of the Year discussions, a lot of 455 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,680 people are wondering, well, how is he going to have the numbers to 456 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,720 prop up sixth Man of the Year Again, you're looking at someone who is 457 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:52,559 going to play a lot, like if Murray's maybe on a minute scrap or 458 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,359 not playing certain games, or what's going on with Michael Porter Junior? Does 459 00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:59,799 he need rest? It feels like there's always going to be a vacuum in 460 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,359 the offense, sort of in a good way where someone needs to step up 461 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,200 and score a bunch. And look, this dude just averaged ten point one 462 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,720 points per game in nineteen minutes. That is the equivalent of nineteen points per 463 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,279 thirty six minutes. I have no doubt in my mind that he can juice 464 00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:15,960 up that actual rate, and it was juiced up. I'm trying to use 465 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,200 the whole season as sort of the summation, but it was juiced up. 466 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,279 When you're looking at the end of the year for him, that this could 467 00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:26,319 be someone who averages like seventeen points in like twenty minutes per I mean he 468 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:32,119 was at basically through the final I don't know how many games through like March 469 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,799 ten, through the end of the season, so sixteen games he was at 470 00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:40,799 fourteen point six points in twenty three point six minutes, and so like it 471 00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:44,200 wouldn't shock me. That's with him shooting thirty nine point two percent on threes. 472 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,680 I got news for you. This dude is capslock italics bold text shooter. 473 00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:56,480 The functional range that his pressure put like that, the functional pressure that 474 00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:00,440 his range puts on defenses, I just it's absurd and defies logic. He 475 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:06,319 will uncork mega deep threes downstand still triples from the corner, and then just 476 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,799 rame hellfire from the perimeter off the dribble. I was very impressed with his 477 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:15,720 live dribble passing last year and even Adamataz and I kind of discussed that leading 478 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,759 into the Nugget season, and you look at his season long shooting numbers and 479 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:23,440 they somehow don't even accurately portray just how devastating he was. He had thirty 480 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,400 six point seven percent of his spot up triples and thirty six point nine percent 481 00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:33,799 of his pull up pull up trays. That is a fraction of the season. 482 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:37,400 When you look at post All Star break, forty seven point two percent 483 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,599 on pull up three pointers post All Star break. That is just absolutely ridiculous. 484 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:44,200 And so I would call him and I think Matt Moore, I think 485 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,960 I've read something from him where he called him this, he's a pretty good 486 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,359 sixth Man of the Year bet at this moment, I would say, because 487 00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:53,359 voters love volume scores and a lot of the times they're going to come from 488 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:57,200 teams that received a lot of attention. You know, look at Jordan Clarkson, 489 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,720 Tyler Hero as examples. So he would be a good bet to me. 490 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:06,039 And I think he has another sort of dimension to reach as a passer, 491 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,359 And it just wouldn't it would not shock me if this is someone who, 492 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,279 look, there will be room for him to play between twenty to twenty 493 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,960 five plus minutes per game throughout the season, Like, there might be nights 494 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,920 where he needs to eclipse thirty depending on what's happening with Murray or Michael Porter 495 00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:21,440 Jr. Or just what the Nuggets offense needs and so like, if he 496 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,880 ends up at like twenty six minutes per game or even just twenty five, 497 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:26,359 if it's between twenty three and twenty six, yeah, he's got a chance 498 00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,480 to win six Man of the Year, even to someone who won't necessarily be 499 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,759 part of all of Denver's closing units. So I think this is someone who's 500 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:38,319 just sort of like a sleeping giant in terms of building blocks. There's a 501 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:44,960 very real, if not likely chance at this point that Bones Highland is the 502 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,920 biggest X factor on this team when you're looking at none of the big three. 503 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,200 And also, I think you can make the case that he's more important 504 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,440 to the Nuggets of future at this point than a Michael Porter Junior, depending 505 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,200 on how you feel about mpg's reliability. Yeah, if MPJ hits on the 506 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,440 player that he was and Jamal Murray gets injured again, okay, sure, 507 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,200 But then bones Island all of a sudden becomes his X factor of there's an 508 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,559 embarrassment of riches when it comes to talent on this team, or if Bones 509 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:10,480 Thailand is that dude, If we're talking about Bones Thailand in the same vein 510 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,839 as Tyrese Maxie coming off of year two, all of a sudden, the 511 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,440 Nuggets is best. Trade offers get a lot more enticing, even though they 512 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,200 don't have a ton of pick equity to offer, so Bones Island. I 513 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,079 do think he'll be a house whole name on the end of this season, 514 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:27,960 and having to start some games, I imagine will probably help him get there. 515 00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:30,720 Just the Nuggets being good as well, if they're even gonna be relatively 516 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,880 healthy. We're talking about a team that I've already said they might be my 517 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,440 title favorite right now. I'll expect him to finish no worse than like second 518 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,160 or third in the West at this point, assuming relatively good health. Their 519 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,519 team to watch. He is one of the bones, is one of my 520 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,160 favorite prospects, and I'm very anxious to see what he does this season. 521 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,799 Demos Cole has a third and final question for us. Is Draymond Green inching 522 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:53,839 to team up with Lebron What if gsw opts to trade him now instead of 523 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,400 losing him next summer because they don't want to play him. I followed this 524 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,960 up with my own question that Demos saying that I missed something in the news 525 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,400 cycle where Draymond was pushing to get out of Golden State, and he was 526 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,039 just mentioning that the clutch sports element and if Draymond wants a MAX and the 527 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:10,880 Warriors don't want to give it to him, Draymond has that player option for 528 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,960 the twenty three twenty four season, and I don't expect him to get an 529 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,720 extension. I don't view this as a possibility. I mean, the Lakers 530 00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:22,240 could technically have cap space next year if Lebron doesn't sign an extension, but 531 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:24,559 if he's not, if Lebron's not taking a pay cut, and you have 532 00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:28,559 Anthony Davis on your books, you're not going to be able to offer Draymond 533 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:30,720 Green the max. Draymond Green would be an interesting target because I don't think 534 00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:36,440 he's a MAX player. He's going into his age thirty two season, and 535 00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:38,240 so like you're talking about something that would then be going in their age thirty 536 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,839 three season. If we're in the twenty to twenty seven million dollar range, 537 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,359 it might become more workable for the Lakers and for other teams. Do I 538 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:52,160 think he's a flight risk of the big four? Well, not the big 539 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,160 four, let's call it the like the five main Warriors were watching moving forward 540 00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:00,359 that you know that are not there, that are that are not trying to 541 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,119 think aminga James Wiseman, Moses Moody. Yeah, those guys matter. But 542 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,559 between Wiggins, Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, and Jordan Pool, 543 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:09,719 I do view Green as just the biggest flight risk. He's not to say 544 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,199 he's more of an independent thinker than all of them, but he might be 545 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,519 the one that gets valued the least by the franchise, or you know, 546 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:21,360 maybe Klay Thompson gets valued the least. But he's willing to accept a pay 547 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,719 cut just because he dealt with injuries. He seems he's talked about wanting to 548 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,960 retire a Warrior a little bit more. If the Warriors then got up and 549 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,360 decided to trade Draymond Green this season, I don't know what you get from 550 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,679 him just because he's on that expiring contract. So you need to ensure that 551 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,159 he's going to come back because you're not acquiring him as a rental because the 552 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:42,800 Warriors aren't treating him as bad money unless you're trying to get off bad money. 553 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,000 But the Warriors aren't going to take that either. They need to. 554 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,320 They need to continue to parlay green salary spot long term into another one, 555 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,159 since they're not projected to have cap space. I don't think you're looking at 556 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,760 I'm not saying the Warriors should even go to this rob like I don't think 557 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,880 Phoenix is giving you eight and and stuff for Draymond Green when we get to 558 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:04,119 January. I think you're probably looking at more like Jeremy Grant and Picks from 559 00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:09,159 Portland if you decided to go there would in Atlanta, like consider Collins and 560 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,079 Hunter. I don't think so. I mean, Draymond Green murraying Capella will 561 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:15,679 be a hell of a defensive trio, but they would also probably suck on 562 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,119 offense. The one that kind of stands out to me is what if we 563 00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:25,679 know Kevin Durant's gonna meet with Nets Governor Joseph Si and Kyrie's there and seems 564 00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:28,800 to be happy there. What if the Nets just decide, Hey, we're 565 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,360 gonna run this back Ben Simmons, Draymond Green gets kind of interesting there. 566 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,559 I don't think it's anything that either team would seek out. But you can 567 00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:38,800 trust Draymond more at this point to be available than Ben Simmons. Maybe you 568 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:45,039 actually like his past relationship with KD where they've had conversations together since then there's 569 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,239 you're rolling the dice there. But like that would be something that could be 570 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,920 potentially interesting. But other teams I could see, like a Charlotte just being 571 00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:57,840 stupid, drunk and mortgaging their future to have Draymond Green come in. They 572 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,199 want to have a defensive anchor in the middle. They're willing to pay him 573 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,079 more than anyone if they if they already have him on the books and on 574 00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:06,360 his bird rights, so that would be stuff to look at. I don't 575 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,239 think you're getting a whole lot for Draymond Green if you look to trade him 576 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,760 right now, and he's way more valuable to the Warriors. Think it's easily 577 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,920 to say this as a player that you have right now and keep moving forward, 578 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,199 then he is as a trade asset. And I would also say I 579 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,800 don't think he will expect to get the MAX, and I don't think there 580 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,519 will be a team on the market next season that gives him the max we 581 00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,599 could talk about. Look, Charlotte, depending on what happens with Miles Bridges, 582 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:32,760 they could have a bunch of money to spend. I don't think Cleveland's 583 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,960 I don't think maybe they would would Cleveland another team that's projected as cap space. 584 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:42,480 No. Could Detroit give him like a huge offer that might be semi 585 00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:46,159 interesting? Does him and Jalen during work at all? They might be okay 586 00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:50,199 with that. They're trying to play Bagley and During together out imagine at certain 587 00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:52,760 points, or at least Bagley and beef stew However, you want to structure 588 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:58,320 that from court. So maybe the Rockets. No, they could have a 589 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:04,679 ton of Indiana, I would say no. Okay, c might have some 590 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,519 cap space. I'd probably say no, though that would be interesting. Orlando 591 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:12,559 could have cap space. That's a no for them going after them. Sacramento 592 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,519 can get there, depending on, like they can get twenty plus million next 593 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:16,639 year. I have them at depending on what they do with their own free 594 00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:21,880 agents. I that'd be that'd be intriguing, but I would still vote no. 595 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,360 The Spurs will have a ton of cap space, but I don't see 596 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,000 them going after Draymond and Utah right now. Projects to have a bunch of 597 00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:30,119 cap space, but they don't seem like a team that will go after Draymond. 598 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,239 So I just don't see the threat that would even give him the max 599 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,320 to leverage against Golden State. Really, I only see this going off the 600 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,400 rails. If he wants does he want money comparable to what he's getting now, 601 00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:44,519 which twenty seven million under the new tax new tax cap, If you're 602 00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:47,440 going in the one fifty plus million dollar range, yeah, fine. But 603 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,840 if the Warriors aren't even willing to go that high, and they prefer to 604 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,199 keep Wiggins and Pool and then worry about Klay Thompson's next deal, there also 605 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,239 might be a chance that if you let the season play out, which I 606 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,039 think is smart for both sides, because I don't think Draymond Green, if 607 00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,480 he wants a long term security, sure, but I don't think he's going 608 00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:06,840 to get a number that's bigger than the twenty seven point six he would be 609 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,880 owed in twenty three twenty four right now in an extension, and so building 610 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,519 off that number, I feel like he would be right around that area. 611 00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:15,840 So if he wants to build up his value, playing it out makes sense. 612 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,679 Also, he can wind up picking up that option. Maybe he has 613 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:20,960 a down year and needs to build up his value again, or thinks that 614 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,880 the capped landscape in twenty four, when Clay Thompson also comes off the books 615 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,960 for the Warriors, maybe that would matter more. I think he ends up 616 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,480 staying with the Warriors. I definitely don't think they end up trading him. 617 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,960 I do not think that he ends up getting a MAX though, or anywhere 618 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,199 near it. Quite frankly, regardless of ware, he ends up jt Alexander, 619 00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:43,079 do you anyone else in the chat have any harmless, unoffensive mild takes 620 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:45,320 for the new season. We had a couple of listeners respond to this, 621 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,360 so I'll get to those after mine. This was a question I kind of 622 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,320 wanted to pose on Twitter and see like what type of responses we got read 623 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,119 them off. But I don't think that anyone. I'm not anyone. I 624 00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:00,360 don't think enough people would have understood the context of it, because we're looking 625 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,920 for like, not spicy takes, maybe medium spice, mild takes like the 626 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,599 mild sauce from Taco Bell And as a bassist, jt Alexander said, mineus 627 00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:13,039 Porzingia is going to be an All Star again, I was initially like jaw 628 00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:17,519 dropped at that suggestion. That felt super spicy. But porzingis played well in 629 00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:21,760 Washington after the trade. If he stays healthy, sure, why not? 630 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,719 I could see it happening. Also, it's it's the East and so like 631 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,159 the Big Man votes, if you're looking at pure centers, it gets a 632 00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:30,960 little bit questionable. App you know, you have bam and and beads, 633 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,920 so maybe it's maybe it's possible. But now like Evan Mowgli and Jared Allen 634 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,360 are in that fold, it's still that feels more than mild JT. That's 635 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,400 all I'm gonna say. I tried to frame mind off of that, and 636 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,800 so I have. The two I have is Whendell Carter Junior becomes an All 637 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:46,880 Star. That might be too spicy. The other one I hap is the 638 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,119 Pelicans will be better than the Mavericks next season after Dallas lash John bruns In. 639 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,239 I tell you we haven't gotten to report cards or wind totals yet, 640 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,000 but I have a feeling MAVs and Grizzlies fancy gonna come from me? Once 641 00:39:57,039 --> 00:40:00,599 again. I admitted my make copas when I was wrong about them past season. 642 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,039 But there's a pattern with me underestimating the Grizzlies, and then now if 643 00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:07,239 there becomes a pattern of me underestimating the MAVs, I almost don't want to 644 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,239 spute. I don't even want to spill out this tape, but I'm going 645 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,760 there the Pelicans will be better than the MAVs. That's how hot I am 646 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,320 on the Pells. Demos Quoll says Terry Eason enters the Rookie of the Year 647 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,519 combo, Scottie Barnes is an All Star. I think those are in theme 648 00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,760 with this. I initially thought maybe thy Tie Washington would be the just the 649 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:29,159 rookie that gets there, but I understand that ty Ties Washington's summer leagues up 650 00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:31,880 for a few moments was on their rough friend and then four as the MAVs 651 00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:37,440 won't get past the second round, that's like, yeah, I'm sure that's 652 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,880 inte with it. And Boston won't make the finals. Boston won't make the 653 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:45,000 finals. I feels like not spicy enough because the Bucks and the Sixers and 654 00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:46,719 the heat still exists, and so you need to believe that, like Boston 655 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,519 is entirely in its own tier. What takes do you guys have mild unoffensive, 656 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:54,840 reasonable ones that maybe a lot of people wouldn't share, so they're against 657 00:40:54,840 --> 00:41:00,079 consensus, but they're not stupid. Let us know at me on Twitter. 658 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:04,679 Maybe I'll run a similar thought exercise about this on Twitter. I just don't 659 00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,159 know how to frame it properly so that people will get it. It's a 660 00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:10,320 bit prem and this question actually comes from Thor it's a bit premature. With 661 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,239 a new TV deal three years away, are we likely to see Caps moving 662 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,480 or another large jump like we had a few years ago? With that in 663 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,679 mind, are we likely to see history repeat with large contracts given resulting in 664 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,880 overvalued contracts our players on board with Caps moving? Will expiring deals be more 665 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,360 or less valued as teams try to get caps based to lower multiple stars as 666 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,159 the Kyrie Katy situation made teams more leery. So I do think as an 667 00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:37,440 overarching answer would be twofold. I definitely think we can get Caps moving because 668 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,760 I even think some teams are going to want to prevent what happened with Golden 669 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,280 State in twenty and sixteen. That is the expectation right now around the league 670 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,719 is my expectation as well. I will be more than mildly to take to 671 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:52,320 borrow the phrasing from the previous question, I'll be more than mildly surprised if 672 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,880 we don't get caps moving. The other thing is, I do think there 673 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,320 is an effect even with this moving, where we're still seeing these larger than 674 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,000 normal incremental jumps where might be a million of season or whatever. I do 675 00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:06,840 believe that free agency is going to get sort of a like a reinvention, 676 00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:12,159 or we're gonna return to at least a fraction of time where we'll see a 677 00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:15,519 lot more higher profile player movement or teams preparing for it, because those cap 678 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:21,079 jumps are still going to be larger than normal. And also these players and 679 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,480 Jalen Brown is the perfect example, So I'm just going to use him his 680 00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:27,880 number, his extension number right now. To extend off of that doesn't make 681 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,000 sense with the cap rising because he's under the max. He's not gonna get 682 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,239 anywhere near as max if he was to accept one hundred and twenty percent race. 683 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,440 So they're going to be players like him that will either angle to hit 684 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,199 free agency in general, or maybe they'll even sign shorter term deals that they 685 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,320 hit free agency right after. As this cap is supposed to get its biggest 686 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,159 spike, So I do believe we'll see more of that, might just see 687 00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:50,679 players, like I said, sign more short term deals, and I do 688 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,159 think in turn, we'll see more teams preparing for a free agency, which 689 00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:59,960 would make expiring contracts more valuable. Depending on Arietta point, where so many 690 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:04,159 contracts are short term that maybe it doesn't matter as much. With that said, 691 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,000 I think if we're expecting the cap the first caps moving to begin before 692 00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:13,199 expecting the first infusion to come in twenty and twenty six, yeah, if 693 00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:15,800 there are contracts that week beyond that and you're looking to prepare for twenty twenty 694 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:21,320 six, I absolutely think that expirings will become more valuable and it will probably 695 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,880 last maybe a year or two into it, like twenty seven twenty eight, 696 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:28,000 depending on how long the smoothing the smoothing last. I don't know, and 697 00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:31,360 I don't when we're looking at contracts in terms of bad contracts, I think 698 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,480 teams probably learned their lesson from the summer twenty and sixteen, and because we're 699 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,239 not going to see a guardanguin jump like that, you're not going to get 700 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,679 the Timothy Mozgov like deal. Would I would argue that most of the questionable 701 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,320 deals. Most you know, people who don't like the jail and Brunson contract. 702 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,000 Maybe he didn't like the Mitchell Robinson contract all that much. I'm not 703 00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,400 trying to just name mixed players here. Deal is not a good example there. 704 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:57,360 Maybe you don't like the Marvin Bagley contract. These deals just look better 705 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,639 because they've become a smaller percentage of the cap. Blue Dort That was overblown 706 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:02,199 to begin with, especially because the fifty years a team option. But now 707 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,519 with sudden he's seventeen million dollars a year. That's a lot different when you're 708 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,159 talking about a yeah, okay, he's seventeen million dollars now around there, 709 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,440 But when you get that against the salary cap that's one fifty one, sixty 710 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,400 million or more, that just doesn't matter as much. And so because there's 711 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,719 going to be smoothing, so the jumps will still be pretty significant, but 712 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,199 they won't be as massive as twenty sixteen, I think teams will be inoculated 713 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,840 against having those types of situations. And also, just if there are going 714 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,840 to be more stars prepping to hit free agency, you're probably going to be 715 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,840 a little bit more judicious and how you're spending anyway. You're not going to 716 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,760 throw the money to poach these non stars. You're going to try and wait 717 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,119 and go after the bigger fish. And maybe there are a couple overpays here 718 00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:45,719 or there because of that spike, and maybe a market like a Charlotte or 719 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:52,039 if a team really wants to finishing piece is more desperate to reel in someone, 720 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:53,239 or maybe we see it with like a veteran on the back end of 721 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,480 his prime, where it's just like, oh, we have all the sexual 722 00:44:55,559 --> 00:45:00,519 cap space, let's go overpay Draymond Green if he decides to free agency again 723 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:04,599 in twenty six, or if we see that happen with like Chris Middleton as 724 00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:07,920 an example. Neither players are slayed to be a free agent twenty six. 725 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,559 There's slay to be free agents before then, but they might be interesting exercises 726 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,440 as well, even maybe a Kyrie a Lebron But we have the Brownie element 727 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,559 there. But just like other like a Jaylon Brown again or Brandon Ingram thinking 728 00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:22,800 about his next contract, is he gonna want to hit the open market or 729 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,679 extend? Players might time shorter term deals to re explore free agency, And 730 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,360 the final element of this has a Kyrie Katy situation made teams more leary. 731 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,519 I don't think so. I just feel like free agency has never been a 732 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:40,159 particularly realistic path three builder team. It's very much only worked for a handful 733 00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:46,000 of franchises. That being said, like if it was more common opportunity and 734 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,960 this is how the NETS situation blows up, yeah you might be more leery. 735 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,480 But I don't think the Kyrie Katy situation has scared teams from wanting to 736 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,639 sign guys. And in free agency there you can argue the collateral damage is 737 00:45:57,639 --> 00:46:00,280 typically lower than if you were to fire them via trade. And then the 738 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,960 next case it was like very specific to where there was almost just no collateral 739 00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:09,199 damage. They had all these you know, they had all like yeah, 740 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,920 it would have cost them de'angelo Russell that summer, but like they still a 741 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,880 carousel vert there. They still have Jared Allen, they were well set up 742 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,119 beyond that, had all their picks. But if you were trading for these 743 00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,239 stars, it's definitely going to cost you more in pick equity. Whereas when 744 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,440 you sign them out right in free agency, do you need to use a 745 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,400 pick to salary dump someone? Maybe if you structure your books right, you 746 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,039 do not, and then you're obviously not dealing away even in those scenarios as 747 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:35,079 much pick equity in straight up trades. And so I do think that we're 748 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:38,480 due for a free agency renaissance, not immediately, but probably once we get 749 00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:42,559 like between twenty six through maybe twenty eight or something. I don't know how 750 00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:44,599 long the Caps movie is gonna last, and we have to see what the 751 00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:47,119 actual number is. But once we start seeing a cap jump like ten million 752 00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:50,840 dollars a year or whatever, minds up being, I do think there's going 753 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,639 to be in anticipation of that player signing shorter term deals, not signing extensions 754 00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:58,719 at all, maybe even getting into free agency before then, again using Brown 755 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,400 as an example. Final question, ben Bender fan, is cam thom Is 756 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,880 going to get the time he deserves and prove he's a star? Will it 757 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,480 be another year? I don't know. I mean, right now, I 758 00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:12,760 have no idea what the Nets are going to look like. If they keep 759 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,800 Kyrie and Kady, it's going to be at least another year. The better 760 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,440 question might be does he have that star potential? I do think Brooklyn needs 761 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,920 his three point efficiency and volume to climb. That being said, he has 762 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,840 the look and feel of someone who will inevitably down triples at an above average 763 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,480 rate. He diets on a steady stream of off the dribble opportunities, and 764 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,599 yeah, his shot prile shot profile wants for rim pressure, and he does 765 00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:42,119 indeed bail out too early on his drives. But it's really hard to quibble 766 00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:45,599 too much with a shot selection when he was connecting on fifty four point eight 767 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,960 percent of his attempts between ten and sixteen feet last year, and then north 768 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,199 of forty three percent on his long twos, where you're gonna need to see 769 00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:54,199 the jump. Is I definitely still think as a passer when you're looking at 770 00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:58,119 his drives, and then if you want him to run pick and rolls, 771 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,400 he wasn't bad relative to rookies. Is a score a point eight eight points 772 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:07,039 per possession that was in the fiftieth percentile not exceptional efficiency. You're gonna want 773 00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:09,840 that number to come up. Maybe him turn the ball over in those situations 774 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,920 a little bit less, So you're gonna need him to become more a more 775 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,320 dynamic pick and roll threat as that passer and even as the score and then 776 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,519 bump up his three point volume. The defensive concerns for sure, but we 777 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,400 have I don't want to call him one way stars, but you can be 778 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,800 an offensive superstar and still qualify for stardom. I think he is a viable 779 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,599 prospect. I wouldn't predict that this is someone who's going to make All Star 780 00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:34,360 teams. But if you said that, this is someone who winds up being 781 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,519 maybe a perennial sixth Man of the Year candidate, or you want to loop 782 00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:39,679 him into oh, this is someone we think that's going to get on the 783 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:45,159 Tyler Hero trajectory. Hero was a better shooter and passer and still is than 784 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,159 Thomas, but that off the dribble creation and how comfortable he looks subsisting on 785 00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:52,599 it is important. A lot of it's going to be though. What type 786 00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:54,920 of agency does he have over the offense. He did have quite a bit 787 00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:00,239 of license last year, but that was with there were some injuries, players 788 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,320 in an out of lineup. Then, of course the Kyrie Irving situation. 789 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,320 If you have both the Rant and Kyrie Irving there in addition to Ben Simmons, 790 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,440 no, that opportunity won't be there. Even with Ben Simmons still there, 791 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,159 you're gonna want to put the ball in his hands a time. That's 792 00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:15,320 why you need Cam Thomas to sort of, you know, nail down his 793 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,119 three certainly his set threes if you're not expecting him to hit these off the 794 00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:21,159 dribble looks that he does inside the arc, scaling it beyond the arc. 795 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,360 Okay, fine, but he needs to be a viable set shooter that will 796 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,920 do it for us. 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