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My knowledge of like Japanese culture came
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Japan for the very first time for
TGS and he gave me like the quickest

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course of all time. But my
favorite part is Peter Brown, who now

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works for PlayStation. He's always been
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like he takes his job seriously.
It's probably why he's done so well.

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He like knows his shit and I'm
a very silly person. And on

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the bullet train to Japan, he
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we're gonna go through so much stuff, but I just want to let you

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know that respect in this culture is
very serious and so I need you to

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like not fuck around here. I
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was like okay, and that was
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don't be you and like really keep
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got it um. And it did
come in handy because I met a lot

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of people and I was like,
maintain eye contact, no silly business,

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Mary, don't be yourself and I
and I really, I really think,

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I really think I made a good
impression the entire time as everybody was mumbling

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as he walked away, someone who's
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We're out really well with people in
Japan. Super I believe it so early

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in the thing, but I already
want to start talking about you being a

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real Jedi. I don't know what
it is. Hey, everyone here,

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episode fifty two. I'm Mike Hardy
as always. That's Mary Kish Hello,

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And that's Dan Riiker Hello. Kansas
City. Uh, porn in the Woods

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wrestling? Did everybody catch WrestleMania?
That's that's a really bad accent. That's

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Christ he's Polygon, he's if you
there's probably a lot of crossover between fire

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Escape listeners and the Bestias listeners.
Plants over at the Besties as well.

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Uh, he's our guests sit well, Dan's off gallivanting in California for like

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a month or two or something.
I don't know what he's doing. How

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closes he to me? He I
don't he's been He's southern California. I

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believe how great wuld MEPs and walked
in right now? Maybe Yeah, pretty

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weird, got a bag of taco
bell Yeah, fried pie? And he

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moves you over to talk about WrestleMania
and say the exact same sentences that you

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just said because he would Chris,
you are like Dan from Kansas, and

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I'm sure you feel really yeah,
You're from the Missouri kid from Kansas City,

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and I feel like Kansas sucks.
Dan probably is representing the Midwest really

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well, is what you have.
The funny thing, Dan is from Johnson

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County, which is like being from
Orange County in California. Dan. If

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if this is true, if Dan
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the area that everybody else around there
is like, oh, Richie rich over

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here, like oh, these people
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They'll cut you off. So I
always a conflict I have in my

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head of where where is Dan from? He doesn't know how to drive in

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an suv? Maybe that's it.
Maybe he pretends to be afraid. Yeah,

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it's a fake. He's like,
Oh, I don't I'm afraid of

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driving because if people see me do
it, they'll realize I'm like a Ritchie

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rich asshole. They'll know that I'm
from the Ritchie rich area when I associate.

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When I hear this story, I'd
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a Ritchie rich who is just lavishing
in funds and like slurping up all those

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baseball cards with his excess funds that
he obviously has earning books for some reason,

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burning books. Who thinks the fact
that wine bars exist as an affront

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to human nature. He's a very
odd Frenchman. It's kind of like transcendent,

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right, that you've gotten so rich
that you actually go back into you

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loop. The loop. It's like
the nuclear Gandhi from Civilization. Yeah,

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it's just like that. Actually,
that's the only way I know how to

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relate to plan. We always talk
in gamer examples. I mean, there

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is like that system that you see, especially in high end tech companies,

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right where like a lot of people
it's their first day they're wearing suits or

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they're wearing really nice outfits. They
got it together. You know. Once

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you're at a manager level, you're
like, hey, my collared shirt is

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wrinkled because you know, I'm just
like you. And then you go up.

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Yeah, the executives, they're all
just kind of like hanging out.

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They're wearing just trousers. I remember
at game Spot a guy kept coming in

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with board shorts. I wonder,
I know I'm talking about. It was

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a guy at game Spot who would
always he was like exact level, and

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he kept coming in in board shorts
and flip flops, and we were like,

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this guy sucks. And then once
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you can just walk around in the
garbage bag and everyone's gonna be like looking

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good, budd and nobody gives you
feedback, and then you just get to

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like enjoy your life as a cash
Many of them are in garbage bags now,

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But yeah, that was. They
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I don't know how's I mean,
well, what are you gonna ask?

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Um? Yeah, if you heard
earlier, I was gonna say plants

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eice of polygon, which makes him
my ball. I'm the one who walks

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around in a trash bag. Where
are you wearing a trash bag? I

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mean you can see I'm wearing right
now. I'm wearing a really trashy Kansas

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City shirt. Wow, from Kansas
I mean that's like half my clothes because

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everybody from Kansas City doesn't how dress
themselves, so they just wear whatever sportskier

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they find in the closet, like
is one. It sounds like a joke,

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but there was. Um, I
don't know if you all watch Queer

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Eye. But there was a season
of Queer Eye in Kansas City, and

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you could tell it was there because
every time they opened any like dude's closet,

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all there was was like half red
and half blue. And that's because

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if you actually pulled those things out, it was like half kans City Chiefs,

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half Broils and the like the movement, the movement. Then the moment

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I knew I needed to change is
like my wife saw that and she's like,

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hmm, something you could learn from
right moment. Wow, you could

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have been the subject of a Queer
Eye episode. Oh a hundred, you

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got I wanted to do it for
my dad. Didn't get it in too

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cool dudes come into your house.
You just had to watch a show and

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then your wife get bragged on you. I just got nagged. I thought

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about that before. I have watched
a couple of seasons that show I forget.

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One was like Deep South. The
season I watched, Well, there

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was Austin. That's what I'm thinking
of. I think, Oh, yes,

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classic southtown Austin. It might as
well. No, No, that

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can't be it, because there was
one where it was actually like he lived

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in a like I want to say
Mississippi. Oh no, it was.

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It was like Atlanta. I think
the first season's Atlanta. The guy himself

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like the subject was gay and having
problems coming out in a very religious Southern

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like Baptist community, and that could
be Yeah, I think it was.

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That was when I was like,
I think, I wonder what they would

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suggest I changed if they came into
my life, like I'm like halfway to

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being okay, but there's problems things
or think I guess I'm the would rip

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you apart. They would go into
your closet and be like, well,

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everything's black and no, they'd like
that. I feel like, oh,

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you're not um Sarah nose like you
gotta mix it up sometimes put some color

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in that wardrobe. I think that
they would say. One thing that I

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think they would comment on is that
you're very tidy. Your house is very

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neat. You have you know,
you keep a tight ship, and you

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keep yourself very like manicured, which
I think they would appreciate. Okay,

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I think you'd be Yeah, you'd
be perfect. I want to see them

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do somebody like you where you've made
some steps right, but plenty of room

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to grow. Yeah, so that
they come in and you're like, oh,

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I like wine, and then they're
like, oh, you drank swill.

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And then they like, I think
my room's pretty clean, and they're

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like half this is Rambo DVDs like
yeah, you organized it, congrats and

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Pauline Kennel books. Ye oh god, I don't know which is worse.

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I don't either. Yeah, they're
like they're like, oh, you're drinking

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the twenty seven. They're twenty seventeen
Saint Amelian Grand Crew. Okay, we'll

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bring in a wine guy for this
episode and a tattoo removal guy because we

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got some work. Why haven't you
gotten better at cooking? Oh you've played

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eight hundred hours of Warhammer. Oh
and that's only one Warhammer? Okay?

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Cool. So you have a gaming
laptop separate from your gaming PC. Okay,

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well we'll talk about this later.
We'll get to that in the next

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episode as you correct them. Actually, the Steam deck is also a PC.

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At this that's a that's a switcher
looking at I have a Steam decker.

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How great would it be if they
bullied you, you know, like

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they were allowed to like punch you
and swirly you. That would be Oh

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I want the show now now,
I'm I'm all worked up now just thinking

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about it. Just would be we're
gonna we're gonna huddle and get back to

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you on a plan, and they're
just getting the SUV and they're just like,

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we hate that guy. We gotta
do something. Yeah. Yeah,

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I think I saw Mahardy just stall
out a little. And this is a

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worried that I had coming on the
show, which is how horny and gross.

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Well m Hardy let himself be with
his boss on the show. No

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here, I he wanted to go. He was going to talk about getting

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moist about all of this bullying,
and like he really really caught himself.

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There's a there's a definite an angel
right now. Just be like he's not

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good. Tomorrow's completely near day.
That's not fire Escape, that's Polygon.

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Be professional, you can do what
I mean. I listened to it.

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I think you know, if I
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to HR would have happened many episodes
ago. Yeah, you texted me the

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episode where I said Hi Chris,
Hi Chelsea, right after I said I

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like, I want to be a
sub. So yeah, I think I've

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you know, crossed the rubicon already. Yeah, I think so yeah,

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I don't know, but yeah,
Plant, well, Plant, I think

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it's great to have you on here. Plan Like, I'm a huge fan

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of the Best Season. This is
like very exciting for me because I immersed

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myself in a lot of games,
not just with this and my my free

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time but Twitch. I'm constantly watching
lots and lots of people play games.

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But if I have time to listen
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It's super super funny. I think
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the fact that you don't have to
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them. I I that's very kind. I like guesting on shows as the

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least famous member of the Besties.
That's my favorite part about doing it.

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People are like, oh, you
got a macroy on and it's like no,

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and they're like, rest freshie.
He's a pretty good writer, right,

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And they're like no, And they're
like the really nasally one who has

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like bad opinions about movies, and
they're like, listen, it was last

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minute you were I'm sorry ailable if
you don't understand, he's always available.

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He was there. We opened the
door and he was there. Chris Plant

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has texted me every night we're about
to record, be like, did anybody

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drop out? Do you have a
spot? And finally was in California,

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and I'm just gonna say we have
a guest from the Besties get all that

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too. It'll be who's that Pokemon? And it'll just be like your silhouette.

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It'll be a silhouette of Justin McElroy
and then we'll just plaster your body

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over it when it's time to reveal
plant. Let me now that I have

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a kindred spirit here in this regard, Let's talk about how movies are better

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than video games. Okay, I
don't know that's the prompt. Oh you

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Oh you just wanted me to like
burn through it? Yeah, go for

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it. Yeah no, I mean
they're good. They're communal experiences in person.

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That's pretty chill. I'm cool with
that. I wish there was more

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of that in video games. Sometimes, um, they were like only like

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an hour and a half. You
know, people for movies three hours long,

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and they're like, whoa too much? Game is three hours long?

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And you're like people are like refunding
it on Steam and having like a fucking

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yeah no, I love I love
short movies. That's great. We'll not

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short movies. I love three hour
long movies. Uh, get I get

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my money's worth. You texted me
recently asking if I had seen and I'm

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I think this is verbatim. You
texted me on like a Saturday saying have

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you seen Barry Lyndon? Feel like
you would love it? It's about an

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Irish dirt bag. Yeah, the
text those are my favorite movie, Like

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I love you know, like quote
art movie that Airbody is like really like,

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oh you don't you don't want to
watch that, It's gonna be boring.

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It's like three and a half hours
in Stanley Kubrick and it's from the

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seventies. And then you watch Barry
Lyndon and this guy is just like the

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biggest dick who just cocks everybody.
You're like, what what? Why didn't

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anybody tell me like that? Why
is that not like the name of the

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movie. And then just like a
photo of him shitting on people for for

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the cover. You know, I
think that's the only That's one of the

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only Kubrick movies I have not seen. I still have not. It's it's

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good. I watched Amadeus Uh this
past week. Have you seen Amadeus a

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while ago. Yeah, same thing. It's just I do being a huge

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asshole to a guy until the guy
like goes absolutely nuts, kills Wolfgang Amadeus,

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motes a right, basically drives him
to madness, and then he's like

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in a sanatorium just laughing his ass
off about how dumb Mozart was for like

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getting himself killed. It's a great
movie I watched. I think the Cooper

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movie I rewatched the most is this
is probably gonna say a lot about me.

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Is the shining or eyes wide shut, okay shut, more than most

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of his movies. Bad Marriages is
what you're into. Yeah, it's it's

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my It's my periodic escape from my
very good relationship in real life. Right

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Yeah, I like to escape by
watching terrible families because mine is perfect.

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It's just makes you feel so good. M It's just a reminder, bumbles

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me, Senreud. I just pop
on Criterion and go to town. Mary.

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What are your like favorite movies my
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no, give me your real favorite
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this a little bit ago, and
I'm trying to think of like some of

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my favorites. My favorite movie of
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Hell yeah, the good who done
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practical effects, and so that kind
of saw my boxes. I saw that

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recently at a movie theater, like
they were showing it like a regal for

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whatever reason, and it was like
everyone in the crowd were clearly those like

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people Saturday at four o'clock. They're
showing up because it's like it was just

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there, yeah and no. Like
it starts and you can hear mumbling of

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like the twenty people in the theater
who are like, oh, why did

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I what are we doing? This
so old movie? And then it proceeds,

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and I have never heard an audience
to be more upset in my life.

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Then, as that movie gets increasingly
violent and once the ribcage bites a

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dude's handoff, ye, people started
like leaving, and it was it was

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really special to see somebody leave who
had like talked down about it. You

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know, we're leaving because of the
ribcage, were like they were horrified.

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They were like the disgusting disturbed,
and it's like, yeah, it's so

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cool when somebody's like, oh,
it's old, it's boring. I can't

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believe I bought tickets and then like
an hour later though, like I need

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to get out of here, Like
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Like anybody, you can make something
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It stands the test of time.
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time is one of my favorite metrics. There's all sorts of metrics for films,

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but a film that just holds that
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time. You watch the original Jurassic
Park, You're still like, shit,

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this is good. Yeah, work, It's still still so good. And

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when the t Rex comes out,
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the test of time is a totally
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they just can't survive after five years, but especially comedies. But damn I

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saw it. I saw this movie. I love like a double feature.

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That is like my favorite thing in
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like two movies and then like even
if they're not intended, like just saying

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like, oh, it makes your
brain think differently, like you have to

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compare and contrast, right, And
I had never seen it happened one night,

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which is just all I knew.
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Okay, whatever, it's report thing
I want to go see. I'll

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catch it. It's like an hour
and a half and I watch it and

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I'm the only person there other than
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in their fifties and sixties, and
they're fucking there. It is killing.

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They like I have not been in
the theater where it's like it is just

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absolutely killing with this crowd. And
I was like, Wow, that movie

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was great, Like I wonder when
they made that, probably like mid fifties

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or something, and I look it
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it's so it's a thing of like
absolutely nuts. And after like I was

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like, oh man, I need
to read about this, and like every

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writing about it is like, oh, every romantic comedy ever is inspired by

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this movie and that's why it's still
good and why you're familiar with it.

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But it was, yes, totally
jarring to see a movie and then just

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like oh, yeah that was made
um ninety years ago. Everyone's very dead.

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Any animals in it super dead,
super dead, many generations of dead.

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Their puppies are dead gone. I
did well, Yeah, like several

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generations of puppies are probably dead.
Many cats. It's so much worse for

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its puppies. They didn't see it. They live full lives and then died.

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That's how all that makes it better? Okay, now can breathe.

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not unexpected. It was a full
uh you know, like that's when you

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see that old woman, You're like, you lived a full life, you

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like did all this stuff. It's
okay if you die now. Cut to

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like a puppy like getting older and
like hearing salmonella poisoning or something in the

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lab. It's like a really good
life. He's old, he's fine now.

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He vacationed in the Kocomos. You
know it was great, seen it.

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He fell in love, he fell
out of love, and then he

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found love again later in life forced
Yeah, they live again, and then

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he got to a point where and
when he realized love was not everything.

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Yeah. Wow, back to bad
marriages, Like are you okay? Just

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I just like eyes wide shut quite
a bit, you know what I'm really

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excited for? Stop making sense?
Going back to theaters. Oh shit,

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yeah, did you guys see that? So a little bit in the house.

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I don't. Actually, I've probably
talked about Talking Heads on fire Escape

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at some point. They're my favorite
band of all time. M wait,

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really, yes, I didn't know
they're a favorite. Oh M they are.

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Um, gun to my head,
they're my favorite. Obviously, others

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pop up here and there, but
talking favorite. Yeah. Dan's just actually

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here in the ark. Ask him
about Kansas, make him talk about Kansas.

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Um. But yeah, A twenty
four is. I don't know that

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they're remastering it at all or anything. They're just bringing it back to the

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I'm assuming they're remastering it a bit, but they're bringing it back to theaters

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and one of the best. It's
the best concert movie of all time.

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I know that's not the biggest genre, but between that and like I guess

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spinal tap also obviously crosses over into
like parody and whatnot. But um,

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yes, Stop Making Sense it's phenomenal. I watch it. I watch it

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pretty often. And it also took
me six or seven years of watching Stop

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Making Sense on YouTube and then buying
the Blu ray to figure out that it

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was the same director as Silence of
the Lambs. Jonathan and Demi dem Demi

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so that like opened up a whole
new world for me. And I love

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Silence of the Lamb, So I'm
like, I think I just like his

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movies. I mean, yeah,
Rachel Getting Married great film, underrated,

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really no is a wrong um.
It has and Hathaway as like the nastiest

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possible version of Anne Hathaway, like
the version of Anne Hathaway that everybody thinks

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she is is her just going from
broke on that. And it also has

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the dude the singer from TV on
the Radio in it acting and it's just

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really nice. The thing about Jonathan
Demi, it's weird to say this because

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Silence of the Lambs he's like the
most humanist director ever where he's like Frank

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Capra style, like he just gets
it. People have feelings and emotions that

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nobody very very very few people are
doing things because they're bad or evil.

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They're just doing things because they're trying
to get by. And he's very good

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about trying to get that for like
every character in this movie and Rachel Getting

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Married. It's one of his later
films. Wherefore he died he died really

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young. Yeah, I extremely recommend
it. Also Talking heads special special thing

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there Mahardy, huge, huge fans
in our house. My wife and I

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were like megafans and didn't get to
see him till like kind of like only

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maybe like six or seven years ago. And then we have a five year

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old and our son is autistic,
and David Byrne is autistic and has been.

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My son is like obsessed with him. Yeah, like absolutely obsessed with

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American Utopia and with his musicum and
you like stopped making sense. American Utopia

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is the more recent concert than they
did with Spike Lee. Yeah. Yeah.

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One of my greatest regrets is that
I did not see the show here

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because I moved back in two nineteen. They were they were bringing it back

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at the end of last year,
but then something cut it short. They

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only did a couple shows, But
Amanda and I watch it here like that's

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on loop on every Saturday at our
house. One of my very best concert

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experiences. It's like like it's like
gutting you in to think about. I

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saw American Utopia on its first tour
and it came through Austin, and Stephanie

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and I got deep South, as
you know, and we spent more than

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we've ever spent on a concert and
it was worth it. We got second

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row tickets front and center and it's
like a sitting venue, and the row

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in front of us was a family
who had bought the entire front row,

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and all the kids were like our
age, and then it was like their

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parents and then like two grandparents and
they were from go sobbing, singing along.

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They were up before the curtain was
up, like dancing, and it

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was like style. It was so
magical to watch this, I mean,

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one of the I mean the best
show I've ever seen in my life with

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an audience directing in front of you
of just like oh wow, these people

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are I don't know their story,
but they're invested in this in a way

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that's like profound to them. Yeah. The even the HBO or the Spike

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Lee recording movie, when they go
into the audience for the encore for Road

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to Nowhere, the audience is just
like losing their minds. But you can

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see people in the crowd like yeah, I actually I always like David Byrne.

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And then when I started being like
a diagnosed etc. As neurodivergent autistic,

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like I was like, I was
like, oh, now I like

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David Burne, even Moore just like
the stuff he sings about. So much

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of his music is like all of
his lyrics are a much Many of them

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are just about trying to be human, which I relate to very much.

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And then like my favorite song of
all time, it's it's extremely basic is

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this must be the Place Naive melody, And it's like that song is the

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epitome of him, like struggling with
whether he is happy or whether he is

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in a situation where a human is
supposed to be happy, and the class

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and that. But the song is
like extremely domestic sounding and someone is trying

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to convince themselves that they are in
the right place or I don't know.

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I think it's different every time I
listen to it. But so much of

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David Byrne's work throughout the years,
and he well he's not an egot winner.

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He would need a an Oscar,
I believe, Yeah, he needs

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he needs one of them. He
might have got a No, he got

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an oscar with everything everywhere for the
best song with Oh, I wonder if

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he became one with that. I
think he still needs to because he's got

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like how many Grammys maybe for me
regardless, Um, yeah, American Utopia

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one of my great regrets is that
I did not see that when I got

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back. I just assumed it would
be here longer than it was. And

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then COVID hit and they came back
for about a year after it, and

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then it kind of just I don't
know what happened some of those You didn't

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plan for a global pandemic, and
that's your fault. Yeahs on you fuck

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me, Yeah, And I think
about these things. You guys have such

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a very different relationship with live music
than I do. I don't really tend

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to invest in live performances, not
I don't know if you live in a

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killer city for it. I know
and what I do like to see live

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music, but I'm not really always
present for it, so I'm not actively

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thinking about the lyrics and what they
mean and what it's like to be human.

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I have very few existential realizations while
I'm at a live music concert because

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I'm drinking or like putson around.
I remember Jake Decker, the guy who

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edits this podcast. We went to
a festival once and had lots of different

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bands, and I thought I would
go for fun and he there was Radiohead

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was playing. Oh yeah, that's
right. I forget the name of it

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because I didn't care, and I
showed up and I had a really good

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time. And Jake stood outside Radiohead
for five hours and to get a good

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spot before they played, and he
was sitting there. We knew he had

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to pee and he like had to
be in the front row. And I

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was walking around and it turns out
the Muppets were performing Electric or whatever you

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want to call them. What's their
electric? Mayhean electric? Mayhean? Thank

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you? There was just the news
thing about that today. I didn't I

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saw it in slack, but I
didn't read what it was about or like

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a tweet. I don't know.
And I got a movie they do?

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Is that a new thing? There's
a new movie coming out? That's what

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I saw. But one of the
original Muppets features them because they go to

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Hollywood. The Muppets go to Hollywood, and it's all about them going to

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Hollywood and they have all of the
Muppets on stage performing everything. Oh yeah,

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everybody was like full on animal was
out there like Drummond and I couldn't

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get enough. And I think that
was like my favorite concert of all time.

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That was also if you talk about
like preciousness of experience that's like so

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much more precious, precious and like
the true definition sins than a Radiohead show.

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We have a Radiohead you'll get to
go see many more times if you

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want. If you want to go
see radio Head, it's available to you.

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But if you want to see the
Muppets live on stage, I don't

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know, like there's like ten shots
during your lifetime. Maybe it's a once

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of a lifetime opportunity. And I
kept saying to I kept saying to Shake,

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Radiohead doesn't matter, and like just
watch Muppets with me. And I'm

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sure he loved that. Yeah,
he to this. As he listens to

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me retelling the story, He's probably
like, yeah, that was really thanks,

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Thanks Mary. That is super annoying. No, I think I think

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you're right, said, like when
you go to a concert, it's not

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like, you know, thinking about
it the cerebral part. And I think

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that's like the right way to do
a concert. I mean, even like

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a slow movie. I love,
like really boring movies. I would and

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saw this movie Enisman, which is
about just a woman at a lighthouse having

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like visions for like an hour forty
five on these like super boring garbage.

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No, don't. I should not
go see it. You should not see

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this movie. The trailer makes it
look exciting, like good horror. It

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is not that nothing happens. And
when I watch a movie like that,

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for a long time, I would
feel bad, like in college, like

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I went to film school. That's
why I'm an asshole, and I would

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00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:45,640
feel so horrible if I would like
zone out. And I finally had a

405
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,759
professor who was like, no,
that's the point. Like the point is

406
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:52,359
like it is meditation, and you're
allowed to think about something that's going on

407
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,240
in your life, and like the
movie will pull you back in when it

408
00:29:56,359 --> 00:30:00,160
needs you, and like you are
passively still taking it in and like it's

409
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,319
actually very good. And then you
should think about it after you watch it.

410
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:07,039
But if you're thinking about it too
hard during the movie, you'll get

411
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:11,319
bored and you'll get irritated. You
should just like feel it, just like

412
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,559
ride the wave. And I think
that's the same thing with concerts. Like

413
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,279
when I'm in him, I don't
think about them at all. I'm just

414
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,720
probably drunk or high or something,
I don't know, you know, um,

415
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,640
But but then like afterwards, it's
like, oh, now that I

416
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,960
can process it, this is like
my takeaway. Yeah, one of my

417
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,920
one of my favorite movies, if
not my favorite movie of all time.

418
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,039
Stalker, I'm my mind's wild,
yeah almost the whole time. And then

419
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,000
like the next day, I'm like, man, I love that movie,

420
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,319
even though I was like interact and
then you played the video game where you

421
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:47,000
can shoot it. Yeah, And
then I go watch Annihilation, the more

422
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:51,000
exciting version of Stalker. Chris,
what do you think of Annihilation the Alex

423
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:55,960
Garland movie, the movie or the
book? The movie? Okay, the

424
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:57,920
movie, I mean I like it. I haven't. Okay, so I've

425
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:03,880
seen it twice. Okay. One
time I saw it in a theater like

426
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:06,920
in Austin. At the ala moment, like great experience, I was like,

427
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,599
Oh, that's a that's really upsetting. Cancer should suck um, Like

428
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:15,640
that's my metaphorical read on it.
Um. And then the next time I

429
00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:22,960
went and saw basically Pavement, like
half the band of Pavement, uh at

430
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,039
this like dingy outdoor club in Austin, and it was great. And then

431
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,079
my friends and I laughed and were
like, you know, buzzed, and

432
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:37,039
went to this bar that was basically
empty, like a true dive bar on

433
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:41,039
the other side of the highway,
and all that was happening in the bar

434
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,440
was a really sad dude was in
the corner watching Annihilation with the sound off

435
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:51,079
and the subtitles on, and it
was one of those things where you're like,

436
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,440
oh, why is that guy doing
it? And then like a half

437
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,200
hour later you realize all of you
are sitting at the bar drinking watching nihilat

438
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,240
and it was, Yeah, it
was. It was real rough. Um

439
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,000
and man, the night check a
real turn after that. You know,

440
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:10,000
you don't recover. Are you sure
you weren't on acid having a bad trip

441
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,759
or some other experience added to like
it? It felt real bad. We

442
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:20,759
did, We did leave and we
got um, we got falafel afterwards,

443
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,119
and that that that that helped us
rebound. Yeah right back. Yeah,

444
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:28,480
yeah. We've been back out talking
about that movie on the last few episodes

445
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,920
because Dan and his wife revisited it
and oh yeah they saw it. They

446
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,920
were like, and then they watched
again recently like oh this is awesome because

447
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,359
they both like at least Bianca,
I know likes ex Machina, which Amanda

448
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:45,119
and I watched last weekend. I
like X makin a lot, Annihilation,

449
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,200
I fucking love and I like,
yeah. But we talked about this recently.

450
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,559
I like the Southern Reach trilogy.
It's based on the first book of

451
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,240
the Southern Reach Trilogy by Jeff Vandermier. For those who haven't gotten the chance

452
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:59,440
to read it, you should.
It's It's a quick read, very different

453
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:02,839
but the same general premise. I'd
say, Mary, did you end up

454
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,839
watching it Annihilation? Yeah? Yeah. I think I was actually similar to

455
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,920
Dan where I saw it a long
time ago and I didn't like it,

456
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:15,799
and so when they were hyping it
up, I decided to watch it again.

457
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,480
Um, I like it a little
bit more. My criticisms of it

458
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,200
that I mentioned were that they just
didn't show enough cool merges. I wanted

459
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,799
to seem more weird creatures that were
two creatures in one, and I feel

460
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,480
like I only I could only count
it on one hand. I really wanted

461
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:34,480
you to go full gamergae and be
like, I just don't believe that on

462
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:42,160
all women group going into here do
it? Oh yeah, Scientists, okay,

463
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:51,240
ghostbusters. Anthropologists were like anthropology,
these girls are hot. I can't

464
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,640
believe that's true whatsoever. That's very
false where we're not going to go and

465
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:59,599
do it. That's like all four
cases, that's the opposite of what beautiful

466
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:07,400
people the world shot women's suits.
H Yeah, started inbly making fun of

467
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,440
gross men, and then both my
hearty and I are both like wait wait

468
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:15,119
wait, wait wait, and we're
judging their look. Yeah, that's right.

469
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:20,960
If we're making fun of disgusting men, those women are hot as fucking

470
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,199
I won't hear anything else about it. That's why I saw them, because

471
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:30,800
I was like sci fi horror,
like eco parable hot babes and army suits.

472
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:31,880
Sure, I'll go throw this movie. And then I loved it.

473
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,960
Well, no, I thought it
was fine because they had that whole last

474
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,039
minute scare where they only kept in
theaters for two or three weeks. Pulled

475
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:43,800
it, went to Hulu, and
then everybody started talking about how great it

476
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,079
was or more people started talking without
like, uh, I forget what studio

477
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,840
was. It wasn't it wasn't Paramount, it wasn't that big, but yeah,

478
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,840
they got like kind of cold feet
and then went to theaters and nobody

479
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,719
saw it the first weekends, so
like, we were right, you gotta

480
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,719
pull it. It's a weird movie. He did x mock and he wrote

481
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,400
Sunshine like why did we bank on
this guy? Like, and then it

482
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:10,119
is a weird movie. If yeah, it's a very rich producer executive producer

483
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,079
wearing my garbage bag, I would
be like, I don't know about this

484
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:19,119
one. It's freaking weird. No, it's hard to pitch because, especially

485
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:22,679
the movie itself, they don't go
out of their way to explain half of

486
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,559
it, which I explain anything.
And you know, Americans we love when

487
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:29,679
we explain everything. All the top
movies they explain everything, not once in

488
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,719
Avatar? Are you like? What
is he feeling? They're like, I

489
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:37,360
am sad my children weren't a real
pickle. We need to know what this

490
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:42,239
whale creatures feeling. I don't know. Just let him talk, but he

491
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,719
hasn't spoken to this point. I
don't give a fuck. Makes the whale

492
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,800
talk. Why are they going to
this guy's backyard. There's a big junkyard

493
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,719
dog garden. All those baseballs?
What do they mean back there? Why

494
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,400
does that even jet want to go
back there so bad? Why is he

495
00:35:54,519 --> 00:36:00,079
chasing them? What's wrong with James
Earl Jones? Dude? The avatar of

496
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:07,599
baseball sand Law. I knew exactly
what it was doing. Oh, I

497
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,199
know we have to talk about games
at a certain point. But well,

498
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,119
it's off Annihilation. So Oscar Isaac, right, he's an Annihilation. He's

499
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:20,119
not the point, but he's there. I went and saw Drive. I

500
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:22,760
hadn't seen Drive since that movie came
out. Let's just say I don't have

501
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:28,400
a popular opinion of it after having
watched a second time. Also, holy

502
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,480
shit, gen Z roasted just absolutely
obliterated that movie in the screening I was

503
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:38,599
at. I never its never been
in a more hostile screening than Drive,

504
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,320
with a whole bunch of like current
college kids in the audience, and they

505
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:51,119
just had none of it, Like
I mean laughing the whole movie. The

506
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,280
music is like seen as like cringe, I guess because it's all like millennial,

507
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,920
like it's old people music now.
And there's a lot in that movie

508
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,760
that doesn't work. The digital film
looks like really cheap now unfortunately. But

509
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,400
here's a good part. Oscar Isaac
shows up in the middle of the movie

510
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:13,800
and I forgot about it and it's
so good. It's a it's a movie

511
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,280
without characters. And then Oscar Isaac
shows up. He's like, what if

512
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,280
I had motivation and like soul?
And then they're like, oh wow,

513
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,000
this is really trucking along and they're
like, yeah, we can't have that.

514
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,000
That that's too good. Yeah.
He I. Of all the things

515
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,519
I've shown Amanda, there's been a
few things I've shown her that she's like,

516
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,519
yeah, that was my favorite.
I was like, all right,

517
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,840
you're I haven't watched Drive in a
while, but you're gonna love it.

518
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,000
And we both watch it and I
could barely get through it. I really

519
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,760
I can't. I don't like that
movie anymore. I still I'm curious.

520
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:47,360
I'm curious weather Nichola is finding refin
actually has made a good movie, because

521
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,559
I like, like, I liked
Bronson a lot back in the day,

522
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,159
but I have not watched it since
I was like twenty one. So yeah,

523
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,840
I have not watched Bronson in a
long time. I liked The Boondock

524
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,639
Saints when I was sixteen, for
the record, so I'm sure if I

525
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,440
went back to watch that it would
be as bad as everybody says it was.

526
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:07,639
Bronson. I don't know the Pusher
trilogy. What's the last one?

527
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:14,039
Vell Hella? Is he the most
millennial director? The dude was? Who

528
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:15,880
was he talking to? Was it
Charlie Rose? He was talking to and

529
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:22,920
he Charlie Rose during like the sixty
minute style interview. Wait, would it

530
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,360
be sixty minutes? That's not Charlie
Rose, is it? Well, Charlie

531
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,719
Rose doesn't work anymore for various reasons. Who was it? Maybe I don't

532
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:37,639
know who. That's terrible regard every
time learning about sex pests, like every

533
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:44,280
twenty seconds. Nicholas finding Reffin said
so, he claimed that Only God Forgives

534
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,000
was extremely misunderstood when it was really
it's just a bad movie. And he

535
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:54,079
continually claims that it's misunderstood, and
he I forget which Tarantino movie he said

536
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:58,800
it's better than. But he's like, people given like pulp fiction a lot

537
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,599
of praise, and whoever it was, I don't know why Charlie Rose keeps

538
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:02,519
popping out of my head. It
might not be him. He's like,

539
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,599
are you comparing Only God Forgives to
pulp fiction? He's like, I think

540
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:09,840
it's a bit better, and I'm
it's I'm paraphrasing a bit. But then

541
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,000
he just to his face tells him
like that's stupid. This this is beyond

542
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:20,880
hubris, this is just delusion and
uh Man and Nicholas Finding Refin is one

543
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,800
of those ones. It's like,
I know Pojima always talks about liking his

544
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:30,559
stuff. Yeah, you can feel
it. I can feel it. He's

545
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:39,280
so good at hosting Christ for both
of you. Who if you had to

546
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,960
pick any famous person to be in
a Cogima game, who, who would

547
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:52,000
it be? David Byrne? Okay, what that happens so quickly and your

548
00:39:52,400 --> 00:40:00,159
action was amazing? Okay, sure, comedy factor I don't was Okay,

549
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,440
Nicholas finding Refin was in Death Stranding. Yeah, that's why I brought it

550
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:06,400
up. Yeah, yeah, okay, I thought you were saying because they

551
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,480
were friends. Um, yeah,
David Byrne would be great to pop up

552
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:15,320
in a Cogima game that doesn't make
sense. I feel like you could give

553
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,639
a good monologue that makes sense.
Humans were cells. We're just cells and

554
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,599
they're just moving around and we're all
just here and I'm doing my best and

555
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:27,199
I know you're doing yours. But
let's just see how this goes. Hey,

556
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,079
Hey Tina, Hey Chris, Hey
Jerry can you can you can you

557
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,039
get one started for me and I'll
sing you in. There's so much going

558
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:37,159
on. I would say it should
be someone who could really ride the line

559
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:43,639
between sincere and abstract, someone that
I'm not actually sure if they're acting anymore

560
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:49,039
or if they're just who they are
and now they've absolutely fallen into insanity.

561
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,760
Is this a set up for you
having a person in mind? Or is

562
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,320
this like it could be a range
of people, But it sounds like you're

563
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:04,920
describing Nicolas Cage. Maybe Nicholas Cage
ten years. What about like Randy Quaid

564
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:15,559
Quade, not Dennis No, No, Charlie Day, Charlie Days. He's

565
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:20,800
still a bit too like he's too
too high comedian right now, He's not

566
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:27,480
serious enough for Luigi. He's Luigi. Yeah, he's typecast. I think

567
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:29,519
David. The more I think about
it, the more I would very much

568
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:32,679
like to see David Byrne in a
Cogima game. Yeah, I mean,

569
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:36,920
I you okay, if both of
you showed up, you had to be

570
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:40,000
together any like you're on the in
the Apocalypse, still recording a podcast and

571
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:45,360
it's not for anybody. Influencers are
still a thing. Yeah, Oh,

572
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:51,840
definitely. In Kojima's version of the
Apocalypse, there are two jobs, delivery

573
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:58,519
people and influencers, and they're constantly
involved in each other's lives because you're you're

574
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,719
getting deliveries and the delivery guys are
constantly getting affensd this. Okay, did

575
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,639
we stumble upon an actually good idea
here? Yeah, that that will know

576
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:14,079
that like the one percent in the
death Stranding future are influencers who like all

577
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:17,840
they do is like create content all
day, which the delivery the effect with

578
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,480
the gig workers of Death Stranding listen
to and that's what keeps them distracted while

579
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:27,440
they live their life of delivering things
to influencers. At the minimum. This

580
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:31,159
is an episode of Black Mirror.
Yeah, it's some real dark, awful,

581
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:37,119
horrible stuff. Um well that they
need each other to live because the

582
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:40,159
influencers aren't allowed to stop recording because
then they lose their influence, which means

583
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:46,920
they have to get everything delivered because
they can never stop influencing. George Saunder's

584
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,679
short story. But in George Saunder's
short story there would be some some deep

585
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:59,000
dive into human nature and ultimately optimistic
ending. I don't know how you think

586
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,639
that's optimistic and not in Black Mirror
and Black Mirror even no matter how nice

587
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:06,199
it seems like it could be,
at the very end, they're like Grandma's

588
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:12,559
dead. She was dead the whole
time, the most Liberation day. George

589
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:19,920
Saunder's newest collection was basically Black Mirror, but again a bit more lighthearted.

590
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,679
I know that, like Mahardy is
supposed to be like the snobby one,

591
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,440
like that's part of the comedy here. Yes, but it's not a George

592
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,199
Saunder's story. It's and Garry Steinart
story. So what's not Sorry, who

593
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,079
are we talking about? Gary Steinar? I don't really know Gary Steinar stuff

594
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:39,880
that much. Yeah, this is
super sad love story, but it's okay,

595
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,559
that's from twenty ten. And you
are a baby then just a mere

596
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:49,000
padawan skills. Don't be a dumb
dumb then then we won't have anyone left

597
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:57,480
to do their roles. Stop sucking
with our archetypes. Why am I smart?

598
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:06,840
Now? Oh wait what that's not
funny. There's a there's almost again

599
00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:12,480
he got and plug him back in
getting worried about it. I don't want

600
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:15,719
to have to see Plant in a
meeting tomorrow after having said no, please

601
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,559
do please go please, I'm changing
course real, No, you have to

602
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:22,440
say it because now the listeners will
be upset, and I'm like, oh

603
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:24,440
man, it sucks when he's on
the show, and I don't get that's

604
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:28,960
unfiltered. Yeah, that my hearty
guy. Do you feel a bit censored?

605
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,760
And I'm a bit of a badass, so you can't really send No,

606
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:38,719
that's a that's my mac quote.
Um uh huh, I was when

607
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,960
are you gonna I don't remember what
I was gonna say. Now he's changing

608
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,119
to change the subjects. Didn't know
what you were gonna say. It takes

609
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:51,960
when we were talking about squear eyes
for my young man getting bullied, Mike

610
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:53,719
coming out of it, and he
wouldn't admit it. He wouldn't talk about

611
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,480
it. We know that's wheart was
going, Mike. I love to get

612
00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:06,239
bullied, okay, and yes,
and oh it makes you and it makes

613
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,840
me think about games. What are
you playing? It's a little game called

614
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:16,760
Resident Evil, redsident Evil. Can
I interest you in a nice gruner to

615
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:29,639
compliment your redsident Evil? Of course? Sure. For those of you who

616
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,400
perverts who were wondering what I was
gonna say before the break, is that

617
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,559
I like yogurt up my butt.
Mary, you've been playing Tera nil,

618
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:43,119
I don't be there. Tell me
about Tera Nil. That's kind of like

619
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:46,119
one of those how do they get
the toothpaste in the toothpaste tube, you

620
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,760
know what I mean. And it's
just like it's so sticky, like you

621
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,800
can't get it in there. You
goaded me and goaded me. And now

622
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,559
I'm telling you what I was thinking
and what I was refraining from saying.

623
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,679
Well, I really appreciate you going
the extra for us. I love the

624
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:08,960
visual Tarannil is a game about fixing
the soil and planting trees, speaking of

625
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:15,000
a meditative experience. Much like your
advice, I think you have to ride

626
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:20,239
the wave and zone out when you
play this game because it is never exciting

627
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:25,440
and nothing that interesting happens except towards
the very end. So let me like

628
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,239
paint this picture. It's just a
dirt mound, there's nothing on it.

629
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,760
And you plant a windmill which gives
you electricity, and then you plant machines

630
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:40,960
that can clean the soil, put
down some grass, maybe put down some

631
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:46,159
water in the rivers and the valleys
and the nooks and stuff like that,

632
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:52,519
and slowly but surely you add pieces
to this environment that will add life to

633
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:57,880
it. Bee hives on the trees. An interesting thing that they encourage you

634
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,320
to do is burn that shit down. They actually give you a burning device

635
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,719
and it burns the forest, but
then that creates rich ash, and then

636
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,079
the rich ash becomes a very lush
forest, and even better forest than what

637
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:16,280
you were able to create fow.
You know, I wanted the terminology for

638
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,719
it, but I'll never forget the
first time I burnt down my entire forest

639
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:23,440
and they called it a controlled burn, and I was like, there's no

640
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:30,440
control, it's all burnt. You
never forget your first forest. You never

641
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:35,519
forget your first controlled burn. I
was shocked at it all. But slowly

642
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:39,079
but surely, you build up these
forests, and you ensure that the water

643
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,239
is clean, and you addle these
like elements to it. You actually change

644
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:50,719
the atmosphere, so you add um
a device that seeds, which encourages more

645
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,920
moisture into the air, so you
can get more moisture in the air.

646
00:47:53,280 --> 00:48:00,360
You burn certain forests so that it
increases the temperature, because your temperature needs

647
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,400
to be higher for certain animals to
exist. And then at some point you're

648
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,079
like, it's pretty green out there. I think I've done it. The

649
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:15,199
cool part is once you've cultivated your
environment and it is very much yours,

650
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,199
mine would look very different than yours. We're all achieving the same things.

651
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,159
But where you plant your rivers,
your rocks, your trees, what you

652
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,840
burn, that's up to you.
Baby. Once you do that, you

653
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:31,960
scan for plant an animal life and
it will give you the who's that pokemon

654
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,400
silhouette of an animal and they will
say to you, this animal really likes

655
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:42,119
dense forests, but it also needs
to be by a river, and it

656
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,920
also needs to be by a cliff
side. And if you have that in

657
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,960
your environment and you scan it,
all of a sudden, there's a fucking

658
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:54,280
bear there and he's like rolling around
and he's shaking his barebut against trees and

659
00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:00,639
stuff, and he's in your environment
walking around. He's not he's just he's

660
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:05,079
doing normal that part. Yeah,
they didn't do any extras. There's no

661
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,280
no dizzy, none of it.
No these just a regular bear. He

662
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:15,039
does clip through the walls sometimes.
Um, and it's pretty fun so to

663
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:21,079
get excited about these creatures. So
I got really stoked when they were like,

664
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:27,719
this creature should be in shallow streams, it has to have lily pads

665
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,920
and these types of environments, and
it has to be by forest, and

666
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,039
I didn't have it. So I
cultivated it. I made sure I had

667
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:37,159
all the elements scanned it. Again. Beavers, they're in there, swimming

668
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:42,000
around being super cute. It was
really fun. So once you get like

669
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,519
the bears and the beavers and they're
literally in your environment like having fun.

670
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:53,440
The last component is where this game
really lost its way. I was stoked

671
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:57,960
like part one building an environment I
was in. I was like, this

672
00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:00,639
is boring, but I'm really zennd
out. I'm having a good time.

673
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,480
I'm riding the way too. Animals. I love them. I love these

674
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:07,000
beavers. I'm just so excited that
they're with me on this journey. And

675
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:12,800
then yeah, Mike my notes.
And then they say, well, now

676
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,920
you got to remove humanity. So
you built all these machines so that you

677
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,280
could raise the temperature, raise the
moisture in the air, all of your

678
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,280
machine ear windmills, these are all
this is all trash, is human trash.

679
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:25,440
So get it out of there.
And they give me these garbage cans

680
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,960
to get rid of all of my
man made materials, and so I start

681
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:34,880
throwing away all my crop and then
they're like, now you got to get

682
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,239
the boat to go pick up your
garbage. And I was like, the

683
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,519
what And they were like, put
a boat in the water. The boat

684
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:44,480
will go to all your garbage cans
and pick up your garbage cans. And

685
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:45,639
I was like, what if I
put a garbage can in the middle of

686
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,400
a field. And they were like, well, you got to build a

687
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:52,519
river so that the boat can get
to the garbage can and throw away your

688
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:57,360
garbage. And I was like,
I have to destroy. Maybe not like

689
00:50:57,519 --> 00:50:59,840
in tradition terms. I think I
was destroying, but I had to all

690
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:06,599
her my final product with my bears
and my beavers and put rivers in the

691
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:10,079
middle of a field to pick up
a trash can via boat, which is

692
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:14,039
apparently the only fucking way you're allowed
to do it. It feels like more

693
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:19,639
damage to the ecological environment. It's
actually funny you say that. I do

694
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,679
think it reflects the human condition,
which is kind of like that Simpsons episode

695
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:25,760
where they're like, there's too many
lizards, so we're gonna need to get

696
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,440
the monkeys to eat the lizards.
But now we're overwhelmed by monkeys. But

697
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:34,760
good news, We're going to get
barracudas to eat the monkeys, and then

698
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,719
in the winter, the barracudas will
freeze to death and then it's solved.

699
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:43,159
Right. Humans can't fix things because
we keep putting shit in the environments and

700
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,920
altering it to our women, making
it worse. Removing me from that environment

701
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:52,760
is extremely complicated, and it's just
not joyous. It's just like shit,

702
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,199
I got to alter my environment.
It's puzzle solving, but not in a

703
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,360
fun way. It's how am I
gonna get this goddamn boat on this cliff

704
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:06,400
side? I didn't know they were
gonna make me do that? How many?

705
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:07,760
Okay? So, like if you're
like you were putting a score on

706
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,159
it and I'm not, I'm not
making you use them. I'm kind,

707
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,679
I'm just throwing one out. You
want me to remove scores from Polygon and

708
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:15,559
brings them back on to find No, no, no, no, I

709
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,840
need to give I need to give
a score for a question. Like so,

710
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,000
let's say it's like out of tin
and you're like, this is like

711
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:25,000
a six. Let's say it's out
of ten. Yeah, let's say it's

712
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:28,599
out of tin and let's say this
is a six? Right? Sure?

713
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,679
If if I created a mod so
that when you did the who's that Pokemon?

714
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:39,559
It was Dan, our friend Dan
in a bore at body thong,

715
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,960
just like lounging in a river,
but making the sounds like a beautiful beaver.

716
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:50,880
Never would that get you? Would
it get them? Another point?

717
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:55,719
Absolutely? Um, mods could really
benefit Uh, this game could really benefit

718
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:01,039
from mods. I also think that
a Dan's natural and vironment is a wood

719
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:07,119
area next to a river and a
taco bell. And so I was gonna

720
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:13,159
say, wait, can you imagine
a worse environment for some For someone of

721
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:23,760
Dan's just like personality, then a
completely de commoditized world is nothing immediately dies

722
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:29,719
within like because these are like just
immediate death in twenty four hours. Sounds

723
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,920
like removing red wine from the world, and like my hearty just dehydrates,

724
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:39,559
like I could survive. On White's
Thank You Very Much. I know the

725
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:45,039
song nothing but Flowers Talking Heads.
It's basically written by Dan Riker. There

726
00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:50,519
was a pizza, No, it's
all covered in daisies. As someone whose

727
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:54,679
favorite games or yeah, I guess, someone whose favorite games are often about

728
00:53:54,760 --> 00:54:00,800
fucking up and then seeing how things
play out from there. The thing it

729
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,679
gives me pause about Tara neill Is. I've heard several people. Cole Clark

730
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,039
at Polygon wrote are really good review
for it on Polygon if you go read

731
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:10,880
it. One of the things she
points out and her and I share this

732
00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:15,320
is that we really like when you
fail in a game like Door Fortress or

733
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,480
fucking Wildermith, Middle Earth Shadow.
I don't know you get what I'm saying.

734
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,320
Emergent gameplay. It sounds like you
actually have to straight up restart this

735
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:27,559
game because you can fuck up and
not know why and then you're just stuck

736
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,440
and you don't have X resource to
do why and then make Z happen,

737
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:36,079
so you just have to restart.
That does not sound like what I want

738
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:37,880
out of this kind of game.
Like Factorio, I feel like it was

739
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:44,800
very good about even if you didn't
have the most minmaxed factory assembly line,

740
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,800
you still could get something out of
it and maybe make a new little branch

741
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,519
off of it to like further optimize
things. Is that accurate about Tara Nille

742
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:55,840
that you do have you can straight
up fail. I didn't fail, but

743
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:05,000
I'm super good at games. I
think possible that. Yes, I could

744
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:09,960
see a situation I was shocked to
see. Once you build stuff, it's

745
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:15,960
really hard to undoum and everything costs
money, so you don't want to just

746
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:22,760
build Willy nilly, But a part
of the the joy of altering dirt and

747
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:28,400
turning it into something green and lush
and beautiful is not stressing about how many

748
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,519
squares you're getting for your grass machine. You just kind of want to be

749
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:36,639
like and now I'm at in grass. It sucks that it's always pushing me

750
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,679
to think a lot about minimaxing and
design when at the end of the day,

751
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:45,000
what I'm doing is just esthetically pleasing. Yeah, I think this is

752
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:51,719
the failure of Like, I think
the assumption with video games is that people

753
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,400
like power fantasies, right, Like
you hear that all the time of like,

754
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,599
oh, I love video games because
they give me they give me all

755
00:55:55,639 --> 00:56:00,440
this power. But I think it's
it's quie literally the exact opposite, which

756
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:05,320
is closer to what both of you
are saying of. They give you the

757
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:10,840
freedom to fail and for learning from
it is either as pleasurable as a previous

758
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,239
experience or even more so, and
like that is a version of power.

759
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:19,039
But I think when you get obsessed
with power, like pure power, you

760
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:22,920
actually make bad games because there's no
balancing or like this, like you know,

761
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:28,039
you're a racing humanity off the planet
you're creating this alternate world. Very

762
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:32,239
cool, but like, where's the
pleasure in failing along the way? How

763
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,400
how does that become fun? Because
I'm going to fail, Like that's what

764
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:38,119
a narrative arc is. Oh my
ash, I'm getting so in the weeds.

765
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:40,679
But like you know, it's like
failing and then try and again and

766
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:45,000
failing and try and again. That's
like you're just natural storytelling. And I

767
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:50,199
think I think when I see a
game not click, that is often the

768
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,480
mistake that they're making is missing out
on It needs to feel good to like

769
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,719
to mess up. I mean,
like, oh, it's like the obvious

770
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:02,400
first level of Mario, the classic
example, right that the first time you

771
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,760
have to jump over a pit there's
no pit, right, you have to

772
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,159
jump between platforms, but you can
land safely. And they it's an understanding

773
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:13,760
of hey, the first time we
teach you this, it can't suck,

774
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,480
like, it can't be a punishment. It has to be fun to learn

775
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:21,199
and then to feel like you accomplish
something. Otherwise you'll just, I don't

776
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:22,400
know, jack the cartridge and throw
it into the sun and then we'll never

777
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:27,760
get to Super Mario Brothers movies.
Yeah, I don't know that's such a

778
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,920
good example. Honestly, I think
that there's so many times this game said,

779
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:37,079
what do you mean you didn't know
about the boat. It's just like,

780
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:40,280
we've never discussed the boat. Yeah, we never discussed the boat.

781
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,800
You didn't tell me I needed to
build a boat. I wouldn't have put

782
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,199
my trush can in the field if
I knew that they had to be collected

783
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:51,360
by a boat and none of the
seen water world, you know how this

784
00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:57,440
goes build water stupid And I was
like, okay, but like the whole

785
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,000
thing, I felt like the game
assumed that I was smarter than I was.

786
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:05,840
The next level was even meaner,
to the degree where I was like,

787
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,199
all right, I don't know if
this is for me, because and

788
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,840
I love the creation aspects. So
I just want to reiterate, if you

789
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,880
love creating, you actually might enjoy
this game. And to Mike's point,

790
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,079
if you really like Factoria, you
might like this game because it is very

791
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:25,480
fun to construct or deconstruct in this
game. As it is in the second

792
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:36,079
level, they have mono rail systems
and they're built on a series of poles,

793
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:38,400
and so you put these poles down
and then they're like, yeah,

794
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:45,039
those polls, you're gonna need to
put a monorail on there so that you

795
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:47,239
can build your forest. And I
was like, okay, whatever, So

796
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:52,760
I put monorails everywhere so that it's
easier to build my forest. And then

797
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,599
at the end they're like, you
got to clean up all these monorails,

798
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,519
and your cleanup system is a monorail
system. And I was like, if

799
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:06,320
you told me that at the beginning, I would have done this totally differently,

800
00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:10,079
but you didn't, and now I
look like a fool. And I

801
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:15,480
have like a Disney theme part going
on in my forest and I can't get

802
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:20,039
rid of it. I'm all over
this place. There's more humanity, then

803
00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:24,039
there's bears, and I can undo
it. That's a Talking Head song too.

804
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:30,920
Mmmmmmmmmm. I think Tina Weymouth wrote
that one. Yeah, yeah,

805
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:35,559
good poll. I think I ended
up signing off after that one, but

806
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,719
I still think it's cool. I
think that's fair. Did you play a

807
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:44,960
steam deck No? I played it
on Oh I sorry. I played it

808
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:49,119
on my computer and I streamed it. I found it to be nice to

809
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:54,440
stream because a lot of people were
extremely I love that people are very accommodating

810
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,000
when I make mistakes in a game
and they're like, try it this way.

811
00:59:58,119 --> 01:00:00,960
No one like thinks I'm a ding
dong, and think it helps motivate

812
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,840
me that I'm not as dumb as
I think I am. When I make

813
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,079
a mistake in a game, a
lot of people would make that mistake,

814
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:09,000
and everybody kind of rallied to be
like, yeah, it's not the game

815
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:14,440
that's wrong. Sorry, it's not
you. You know it's not. It's

816
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:20,239
no chat, leave me alone.
They were not being nice. They were

817
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,199
nice, but yeah, I played
it on I played it on PC,

818
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:30,159
I played on Steam. M I
still want to I want to try it.

819
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:34,559
Um. This is where I get
into weeds. I guess I've been

820
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:37,639
since watching The Last of Us on
HBO, which we talked about last episode,

821
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:43,239
which I think is a a good
show at parts, but a fine

822
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,159
show overall, but not in like
a fine like a British guy would say,

823
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,360
but just like an egg like a
fine Um yeah okay, I or

824
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,280
like Hemingway would say, it's a
fine story. It's true, and it's

825
01:00:55,360 --> 01:01:00,400
fine, okay, let's keep it
wrong. I think I got into a

826
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:05,039
meditative state just then. I want
to play Tarannell because I've been. I've

827
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:10,280
been like reading that kind of stuff
about um, like terraforming Earth or a

828
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:15,920
planet after a climate apocalypse, and
that stuff is kind of fascinating and maybe

829
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:22,280
a bit cathartic because it's more optimistic
than a lot like post apocalypse fiction is

830
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,440
um. So I want to play
from that perspective, but I don't.

831
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,719
I'm not like Champion at the Bit
to play that game from. Like,

832
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:36,599
can you say Champion at the Bit? Yes, No, that's not how

833
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:42,599
it goes. That's the phrase,
I promise you. No. I learned

834
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:45,000
it because I said it wrong.
Helped me. I said it. I

835
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:46,280
was gonna make fun of him,
but I was like, man, he

836
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:52,280
said it with confidence. Have you
ever felt more like something was a trap

837
01:01:52,559 --> 01:02:00,159
for us? Grin he gave while
he said it all the time, he

838
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:05,360
literally and the listeners can't see it. He was like, so I was

839
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,400
video we got some if champing at
the bit? Oh no, I we

840
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,159
have video. Oh. I mean
they're gonna see how blown out and embarrassing

841
01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:15,280
I am and just adjusting the whole
time. That's what they pay for in

842
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,079
the video tier. Oh my gosh, I said it incorrectly on a beast

843
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:23,360
cast and Alex Navarro corrected me,
and I believe it. It's about it's

844
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,840
the horses the bit in their mouth. Then know what it fucking means.

845
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,079
It's just what we know what bit
is champing? I don't. You're like,

846
01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:35,559
you're like, oh, it must
be bit that has you confused.

847
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:40,079
It's when they're like, you're champing
it. Wherever? Have you have you

848
01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:46,039
ever m have you ever had a
chewing tobacco? Your champ at it?

849
01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:52,159
No? No, not a baseball
player or like a criminal? Is that

850
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,960
your your idea of a criminal?
As someone? Just don't step on the

851
01:02:54,960 --> 01:03:01,320
power button please, You're literally almost
stepped on it on as I nudged her

852
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,320
off. It's championed the bit.
I learned that the hard way because I

853
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:09,159
said, I choose pointed out.
But yeah, Tarannil, I'll try it

854
01:03:09,239 --> 01:03:15,880
out. My final stands on Tarail
is that I do genuinely believe that the

855
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:22,239
first two acts are a delight.
It's really fun to clean up soil and

856
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:29,239
water and grow plants and watch your
area flourish. It's super fun to scan

857
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,960
for life and have it be like
you don't have enough water and I'm like,

858
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:36,320
Okay, I'll make more water in
this environment and then all of a

859
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,239
sudden, whale. It's really fun. It's super cool to be like,

860
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:44,760
let there's a whale there now because
I I planted more water. I don't

861
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,760
know how else you add water,
you pour it anyway. I think that

862
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,840
part is great. And I'm sorry, well you're talking. I tried to

863
01:03:52,920 --> 01:04:01,039
raise my chair and I just sunk
like three feet and sorry, Jesus Christ

864
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:09,000
slowly getting smaller and smaller. Uh
no, I I think you're right,

865
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:14,400
whales. I think you're small we
I think we can all agree, whales

866
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:18,239
plan. Um. Would it be
accurate to say that you're not normally into

867
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:26,480
JRPGs? Well, no, I'm
not into turn based, turn based world

868
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:30,199
playing games. Turn based, yes, because I like I like Final Fantasy

869
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,599
seven remake. I like Tales of
a Rise. Yeah. Um, but

870
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:38,480
if you if you make me um
grind or if you make me oh man,

871
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:41,159
if you make me turn based trying
to go back and play that Final

872
01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:43,960
Fantasy six pixel you make And I
was like, you know, it would

873
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,840
be more fun than this Every traveler
too anything? Oh yeah, good?

874
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:51,519
Then I see good. Transla plan
leave the transitions to me. Um okay.

875
01:04:51,599 --> 01:05:00,400
Octopath Traveler Too. He's leaving Coalition
by coalition of Polygon Quickly form to

876
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,239
let other people know that that game
rules. And I've been blowing that horn

877
01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:09,880
every day as often as I can
on the fire Escape cast. What do

878
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,119
you what do you think of Octopath
Traveler Too? I think you like it?

879
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,360
Um, yeah, I think I
think it's a great game. I

880
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:21,119
was very I was very skeptical.
Um. I was skeptical because you like

881
01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:27,079
a lot of boring games that take
too much time, and I don't have

882
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:30,599
a room in my life for boring
games or games that take a lot of

883
01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:35,800
time. Sadly, game I like, if it has Warhammer at the front

884
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,639
of it, it's probably on that
list. Those games are actually probably really

885
01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:44,000
good. But I would you know, it's like it's a defense mechanism.

886
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,159
I know I don't have time to
play it, so I decide that it

887
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:51,800
is bad. Yeah, it's the
reverse of like Buyer's justification, right,

888
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,960
opposite of that. Yeah, because
I would be sad. It's like you're

889
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,079
telling you there's a great thing in
the world and I don't get to enjoy

890
01:05:58,159 --> 01:06:01,119
it. No, Instead, it's
horrible. And that's how we have a

891
01:06:01,239 --> 01:06:05,639
video game fanboys yeah, you know
sample that. Anyway, the game is

892
01:06:05,679 --> 01:06:11,559
great. I was skeptical and I
am wrong, and I have been trying

893
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:15,599
to figure out why I like it
because not every movie, but a lot

894
01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:18,519
of yous say two things. One, hey, it's like a classic turn

895
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:21,400
based RPG, and I'm like,
no, thank you, And they're like,

896
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:25,559
and what if I told you the
stories suck? And it's like,

897
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:28,679
wait, they're eight of them and
they stink. Man, you're like really

898
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:33,559
twisting my arm. Yeah. But
oh and I hope, I hope,

899
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:40,320
I hope our dear listeners are ready
for some real bullshit here. The stories

900
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,280
are good. Not only are the
stories good, I think the stories are

901
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:53,440
like extremely intelligent and how they are
picked and positioned. And I think the

902
01:06:53,519 --> 01:06:58,199
game is extremely clever on a narrative
level and does not get nearly enough credit

903
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:04,199
for it because I think it's easy
to mistake something that is simple, or

904
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:11,639
maybe the dialogue is like in j
Any playing English for being like mediocre or

905
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,679
bad and not like, oh,
there's actually a profound degree of intentionality happening

906
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,559
here. Yeah. The first games, Yeah, the first game is very

907
01:07:19,639 --> 01:07:26,199
much traveling this donut continent, recruiting
eight characters, doing their first chapter and

908
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,639
then you kind of see where it's
going from there, and all of their

909
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:35,079
stories followed the same exact plot,
and I still think Octopath Traveler to repeats

910
01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:43,239
a lot of similar points. But
I do like it way more for how

911
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,360
it manages to weave all of them
together, but not necessarily all eight at

912
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:53,320
once, like I recruited. I
think I got the chapter four three with

913
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,119
some of the characters, which is
fairly far in before I had gotten actually

914
01:07:57,159 --> 01:08:00,320
recruited all eight of them. The
fact that they figured out how to count

915
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,840
for that is extremely impressive to me, Like the Right with the Reds,

916
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,719
and like they have this get a
jail free card in that when you go

917
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:12,840
to a town and you start to
pursue oh Chet the Hunter's second chapter,

918
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,720
for instance, in the cut scenes
and the actual scripting, she's the only

919
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,640
one there. The other characters you're
with vanish obviously in the fights and the

920
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:24,760
boss fights there you have all four
of them. However, I don't mind,

921
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,399
because it's there. It's so smart
about you go to a new town

922
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,560
and the first thing I want to
do is explore and get the lay of

923
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,399
the land, and you have an
option, it'll say do you want to

924
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:38,000
pursue Oswald's third chapter, you could
start it right now. We'll have a

925
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:40,840
character come up to you after a
fade, a dip to black, and

926
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,159
then he'll say, like, Oswald, where have you been or whatever.

927
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,119
You could just say no, explore
the town, and then you go to

928
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:49,359
the coffee house later in the cafe
or whatever and say, I want to

929
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:53,119
hear a towel, and then you
could pick it and it goes back to

930
01:08:53,279 --> 01:09:00,239
that character's towel in that chapter.
And I really enjoy how I could sue

931
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:03,600
one character for like their arc for
three chapters without even worrying about others,

932
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:09,520
and you're still ranking those characters up
alongside that one character you're pursuing, But

933
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:16,479
there's way more freedom in It feels
more like Sam barlow game just came to

934
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:21,640
mind, and I kind of want
mortality. It feels like you can pursue.

935
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:27,039
It feels like her story, where
you can pursue one thread. You're

936
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:33,560
like, this threadis story hers,
and you can her story? Whose story?

937
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:40,279
Sam Barlow's game? Her story?
Which one? It's the it's the

938
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:45,000
one of the story. It's Sam
Barlow made it hers? Oh, who's

939
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:50,720
her story? There? It is
okay, and you can pursue one thread

940
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,079
for a while. It's like this
thread now she's playing a guitar, and

941
01:09:54,119 --> 01:09:56,279
then you search guitar and you keep
going that way. I feel like you

942
01:09:56,319 --> 01:10:00,399
could pull it threads and octopaths traveler
too, and it won't unra level in

943
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:04,399
a way that the strings I think
is a metaphor. You're going for play

944
01:10:04,399 --> 01:10:08,840
a few You could play a few
chords. Now there's no uh huh,

945
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:15,720
there's no leave. His dynamic is
perfect. I see sharp, Um,

946
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:20,640
you be flat. I can't contend
with your theater metaphors. Were'd you a

947
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:30,279
theater major? That's not theater,
that's just chords only theater majors. Sorry,

948
01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:32,079
it will play piano. Oh wait, wait, wait wait, I'm

949
01:10:32,079 --> 01:10:34,000
gonna speak it. I'm gonna speak
in your language. Now. I know

950
01:10:34,039 --> 01:10:38,119
that you love books, so I
prepared some book talk. In that book

951
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:43,319
talk, I mean bo okay,
okay, um, okay. Here here's

952
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:47,479
here's where I am. I have
played Mary's not doing okay um. I

953
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,680
have played four characters. I have
four characters. I collected four characters.

954
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:57,119
I started without chet. You mentioned
already, who is just Pokemon? And

955
01:10:57,279 --> 01:11:00,479
that's how the game should sell itself. They should have said we made a

956
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,439
game with eight characters. One of
them is Pokemon. You can start there,

957
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,279
yeah, and then you you go
like, oh yeah, I'll do

958
01:11:06,399 --> 01:11:11,439
that. Then I'll have fun.
Um oh, chet just captures any character

959
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,680
that you come across. You can. You can capture them, and then

960
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,920
you can throw them back at other
random people. So like, well,

961
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,319
what am I gonna do with this
big olass iguana. I'm gonna capture it

962
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,239
and then I'm gonna go up to
strangers in the street even and they're like,

963
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,720
I'm loan from my lost daughter.
I can't find her, And I'm

964
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,880
like, you know what I think
you should do? Eat a seguana's ass.

965
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:35,159
And then it's not an iguana.
It's an iguana dual wielding daggers.

966
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,720
And then he spits poison as well. What's up with his ass though?

967
01:11:41,039 --> 01:11:45,560
Oh? I mean that's the question, right, Yeah? She can that

968
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,159
be your next T shirt? Up
with his ass though? And it's just

969
01:11:48,199 --> 01:11:56,800
an iguana with two daggers. That's
from the back. I've always wanted air

970
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,760
with the back design. Oswald is
uh Osbaldimore, Count of Monte Cristo.

971
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,439
Okay, so wait I wrote I
wrote these down the which ones I think

972
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:12,560
they are? Chet Is okay,
okay a chet is Greek drama or like

973
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,359
a class very like ancient drama hunting
down, and that you like mythical monsters.

974
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:20,520
Yeah, yes, And there's like
some like mythical idea of the apocalypse,

975
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,720
and you have if you like,
complete these tasks will stop it.

976
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:28,439
Yeah, throne a who is a
thief and who has to seek revenge in

977
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:35,600
a city against um or like two
parent figures, is Dickens okay um Oswald

978
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:42,439
who you mentioned who is a like
prisoner at a labor camp. I think

979
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,880
you're right though. Who I wrote
down is souls Neetson with like one day

980
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:50,319
in life of Ivan Denisovich and then
um there. Then the last one I

981
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:58,119
got was this like religious detective,
which is just straight up Bernico is naming

982
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:01,640
the rose pentiment type of stuff.
So well, I think it's brilliant about

983
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,680
this game. It's like you don't
have to know any of those because all

984
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:10,560
the things that I mentioned are so
popular that if you are so like in

985
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,920
the firm and of popular culture that
if you've watched like Simpsons, you've come

986
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:19,600
in contact with all four of those
unwittingly right, and that when you play

987
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:25,640
this game, you have to manage
it at minimum eight full stories plus side

988
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,079
stories plus everything else, right,
And that's like a ton of stuff to

989
01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:31,399
carry in your head. So what
I think it's brilliant about the game is

990
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:38,279
that it's not complicated and that it
is using these extremely extremely familiar stories that

991
01:13:38,319 --> 01:13:45,239
are all very very different in terms
of their inspirations. And then like whether

992
01:13:45,399 --> 01:13:47,640
you know it or not, you
actually kind of already know the story and

993
01:13:48,199 --> 01:13:54,560
you can carry it and you can
enjoy it and get like by doing that.

994
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,920
Then when you meet all the characters, because you can like learn the

995
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,359
backstory of every single character the game, that which is like wild, right,

996
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:05,319
Like you can read their mind to
learn their backstory with a certain character.

997
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:11,159
Um. So, because you can
carry like the main eight characters in

998
01:14:11,239 --> 01:14:14,680
your head, then when you like
come across people in the world, like,

999
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,399
that's the to me, Like,
that's like where the weirdness and the

1000
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,960
interestingness actually comes. Yeah, it's
trafficking in tropes just enough where you can

1001
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,840
pick back up a story that you
might have not pursued for like ten hours,

1002
01:14:28,399 --> 01:14:30,800
Like oh right, I remember this
one. This is like that dark

1003
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,520
soul's ish. He's like an inquisitor
kind of priest, and he's got this

1004
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:41,760
sidekick who was the what's don Quixote's
sidekicks name? I forget it? Windmill

1005
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,760
Ncho thank you, um, which
they talk about Resume four, him and

1006
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,600
him and Luise call each other,
Yeah, I'm sorry. Wind mill is

1007
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:56,119
really good and resume four. You're
going toward a windmill at the beginning,

1008
01:14:56,239 --> 01:15:00,720
and then m Louise and him start
talking about don Quixote and each other like

1009
01:15:00,039 --> 01:15:05,760
accusing the other of being Even if
we have to pause, I can issue

1010
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:10,920
an extreme apology. The name of
the character is not Poncho at all.

1011
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:15,079
No, no, no, it
is Sancho Panza. Thank you. I've

1012
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:24,520
blended them together into a now horrible
like you share. It's yeah, Sancho

1013
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:30,239
Panza, one name please. Samanos
and this guy have a similar relationship and

1014
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:42,279
they Octopath is very good about using
tropes to a like meaningful end with those

1015
01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:44,920
stories. I think I like that
game a lot. Also, the combat

1016
01:15:45,039 --> 01:15:49,479
is just snappy as fuck and just
oh yeah, it can be as simple

1017
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,279
as you want it to be if
you're playing on like a lower difficulty,

1018
01:15:53,319 --> 01:15:55,800
but if you want it to be
hard. It can be pretty tough because

1019
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,920
enemies can there's so much quality of
life. That's why it doesn't even feel

1020
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:03,000
like turn based combat in my head
as I'm playing it, because it's so

1021
01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:08,479
snappy and so crunchy, and like
the whole like build you know, break

1022
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:15,199
a character armor effctually and then just
like pummel them. M feels so good

1023
01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:18,079
and I don't know it's I feel
like it's taught me to play turn based

1024
01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:23,560
games. I'd be very curious to
go and play like something more traditional after

1025
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,600
this, because I find myself for
the first time playing a turn based game

1026
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,840
and like really setting up characters in
like kind of builds and figuring out like,

1027
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,600
oh, I know about how long
it takes to deplete my health,

1028
01:16:36,199 --> 01:16:40,800
so I can get three moves in
before I need to use some sort of

1029
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,119
like healing spell. And if I
do these three moves, like, that's

1030
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:46,680
my only shot at actually getting this
creature who's like two levels higher than me

1031
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:53,680
killed, which I just don't.
I have not traditionally played a turnbassed game

1032
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,000
that way. I think I've just
played it as like a hit the bad

1033
01:16:57,159 --> 01:17:00,439
bit they button, you know,
I just keep hitting it. But difficulty

1034
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:05,439
low and then get through it,
and the fact that they have figured out

1035
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:09,439
a way. I mean, I
haven't played the game more than once yet,

1036
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,880
so I can't say what it's like
to not start with Oswald and then

1037
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,600
move south. But the fact that
I talk to other people and everybody says

1038
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,319
like, yeah, once I got
four characters, the synergy kind of stuff

1039
01:17:19,399 --> 01:17:27,960
was awesome. Like the fact that
the group compositions work no matter what order

1040
01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:31,960
you go in through that world is
super impressive. And that's like, I

1041
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,239
go back to that when I'm thinking
about want or when I want to play

1042
01:17:35,279 --> 01:17:38,760
that game and I'm thinking about going
back to it, I'm not really thinking

1043
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,479
about I want to see what happens
with Tomano's next. I'm like, I

1044
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,000
just want that combat and I want
to keep unlocking this thing with Castide the

1045
01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:50,359
Apothecary, which will help me more
with Oswald's being squishy. But then the

1046
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:55,760
story helps a lot. Do you
think that some stories are more appealing than

1047
01:17:55,840 --> 01:18:01,520
others? In your brief descriptions of
what they're going through, Religious Detective sounds

1048
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:08,560
fascinating, and you know, Poncho
like take it or leave it? Like

1049
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,159
I'm not sure if I understand if
like I would be excited to play all

1050
01:18:12,199 --> 01:18:15,039
these different characters or like learn about
all their stories, you are, I'm

1051
01:18:15,039 --> 01:18:19,159
sure some are better than others.
Yeah for me, Yeah, I'm finding

1052
01:18:19,279 --> 01:18:23,279
there's two or three that like stick
out in my head. There's one Hikari

1053
01:18:23,399 --> 01:18:27,640
the Warrior, which is uh,
I don't know what the direct parallel would

1054
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,119
be. That's very much like to
me, it's like Samurai cinema, but

1055
01:18:30,199 --> 01:18:33,000
I know the story the plot points
they're pulling from are older than that.

1056
01:18:33,119 --> 01:18:39,079
But his is kind of his I
think gets better the more I play it.

1057
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:45,800
It's very much like he was part
of this like warmongering clan and he

1058
01:18:46,039 --> 01:18:48,520
was like, oh, maybe we
could just be the first family to bring

1059
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:54,760
peace to this realm. And then
his brother who is this also the game

1060
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,640
is just fucking gorgeous, and each
of these characters that are a little pixel

1061
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:02,640
pixel figures in fights become this massive
uh like much more detailed sprite, I

1062
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:09,920
guess. But um, regardless,
I'm definitely finding that someone like Tomanos or

1063
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,720
someone like Oswald, I'm their stories
are the ones I'm most excited when I

1064
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,319
walk into a town and see that
any losers though any like kno good stories.

1065
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:26,920
Don't say oh chet, don't say
it, oh chet Pokemon. Oh

1066
01:19:27,039 --> 01:19:31,039
chets is? Oh chets is simple. It's like like it's if you had

1067
01:19:31,079 --> 01:19:35,479
to score the stories scale oh chet, like a scale of maybe let's say

1068
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:41,079
ten, oh chet. Story is
setting out to capture the three legendary Pokemon.

1069
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:46,279
Yeah, what number is oh chet
ten? And would it be better

1070
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:51,239
if it had Dan in it in
a bodybine and you collect him? Oh?

1071
01:19:53,279 --> 01:20:00,159
Oh, it would definitely be better, s thank you. Yeah,

1072
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,359
And he's a shiny so you gotta
definitely gotta get him because he's a special.

1073
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:10,680
It's like winking, Yeah, you
captured the giant. Poke him out,

1074
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:16,479
and then he's he crawls out and
shouts, my wife does a fish

1075
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:20,239
like regurgitate him. And then he
points at the fish and he's like,

1076
01:20:20,359 --> 01:20:24,359
my wife, No, the fisher
didn't have this symbiotic thing like he sometimes

1077
01:20:24,399 --> 01:20:26,319
just comes out of the fish's mouth. The fish is fine with it.

1078
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:30,119
Yeah, And he goes back in
afterwards, face first. He's like,

1079
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:31,920
all right, I gotta go,
I gotta taco bells here, and then

1080
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:38,239
he dives into the fish. He
doesn't get he shouldn't go face first.

1081
01:20:38,399 --> 01:20:48,560
He gets voluntarily slurped back up by
his tippy toes. Bye bye. That

1082
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:53,880
sounds great, that sounds super memorable. I feel like they really messed up

1083
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,319
on that one. Yeah, they
really. I was very confused when that

1084
01:20:57,359 --> 01:21:00,000
whole plot line popped up in the
game. I texted Dan. I was

1085
01:21:00,039 --> 01:21:03,520
like, what, I didn't know
you're an Octopath too. Um. Yeah,

1086
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:08,039
I like Octopath too quite a lot. That's the game I'm I think

1087
01:21:08,079 --> 01:21:12,439
that's my favorite game this year so
far. Wow, for sure. I

1088
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,439
want to go back to between everything
else. I liked Resume before quite a

1089
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:19,399
bit, but Octopath. Man.
The only problem is so many good games

1090
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,760
coming out, you know, like, it's like, it's my favorite game

1091
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,640
in the year so far. Well, I don't know, pioming there,

1092
01:21:26,119 --> 01:21:30,119
um, But then then you got
the Zelda game coming up, you got

1093
01:21:30,199 --> 01:21:33,319
the Starfield. There's some big ones
coming up. I haven't started playing Grim

1094
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:38,960
Grimoire, which I know both of
you are just you can't wait. We're

1095
01:21:39,119 --> 01:21:48,920
Champion Grimoire bit Mary? Were you
and I? For listeners who don't know,

1096
01:21:49,039 --> 01:21:51,960
we used to play through all the
Reside Evil games together, Yeah we

1097
01:21:53,079 --> 01:21:56,439
did. We had I think some
accounted. I think we're this is season

1098
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:01,760
sixteen. It's crazy. So Mary
just had never really played a resumeval game

1099
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:06,279
as of eight years ago. Whenever
I met you seven Yeah, so I

1100
01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:09,720
was like, all right, well
we'll just rip off metalic here Scanlin,

1101
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,239
and I'll guide you through resideval games. And that was what it was at

1102
01:22:13,279 --> 01:22:17,520
first. Then it gradually evolved into
me just sitting there shooting the ship with

1103
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:24,560
her and sometimes helping her, sometimes
guiding her toward a walkway that I knew

1104
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:29,359
would collapse. So we finally Mary
held off on playing Resume before a remake,

1105
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:33,079
so we started recorded or we recorded
the first episode, so you got

1106
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:39,319
to you got through the village,
You got through the windmill section to the

1107
01:22:39,359 --> 01:22:45,920
Windstall village is spectacular. It's spectacular. It's so perfectly crafted to mess with

1108
01:22:46,079 --> 01:22:51,079
you. I remember some pieces like
how the two buildings there's a hay barrel

1109
01:22:51,119 --> 01:22:54,880
in between them, so you can't
walk through two buildings, which is super

1110
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,720
evil. But they kind of upped
that Auntie this year by just like really

1111
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,039
in sing no matter what corner you'd
go down, it could be a dead

1112
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:08,199
end and absolutely ruin you when the
guy with a chainsaw comes out because you

1113
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:14,800
don't get second chances with that guy. Yeah, well, well it's true.

1114
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:20,079
There's no half chainsawed there, so
that's okay. That's what's I think

1115
01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:25,319
is actually pretty brilliant about what they
did here. You we ended the first

1116
01:23:25,359 --> 01:23:29,319
episode when the Chief you unlocked,
you unzipped the bag and Louise was in

1117
01:23:29,399 --> 01:23:31,800
there, and then the Chief found
you through at the wall. You're unconci

1118
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:38,000
injected you with the last plagas.
There's a lot there are a lot of

1119
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:43,960
new mechanics that they do not teach
you for that first revised village fight that

1120
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,680
you're about to learn that make the
rest of the game feel much more like

1121
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:51,119
you are this actual action star who
knows how to parry stuff and when to

1122
01:23:51,239 --> 01:23:57,199
kick and when to dodge and when
to like duck yeah crouch. They don't

1123
01:23:57,279 --> 01:24:00,399
tell you that before that first village
fight, and I was pissed about it

1124
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:02,359
at first. However, the more
I kept playing, the more I'm like

1125
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:09,000
that first fight wouldn't have been nearly
as terrifying the first time career if well,

1126
01:24:09,079 --> 01:24:14,199
oh, I have a question.
So I have played every mainline Resident

1127
01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:17,560
Evil game, big time fan.
Ever, since my parents wouldn't continue you.

1128
01:24:18,119 --> 01:24:21,600
My parents wouldn't let me get Resident
Evil two. I played Resumeal one,

1129
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:25,479
and then we went to go to
resume get Resuval two at Babbages.

1130
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:30,199
And then the guy at Babbages saw
me and he said, ma'am, your

1131
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,640
son is too young for this,
and she said, nobody's ever said that,

1132
01:24:33,159 --> 01:24:35,640
so it must be that it must
be really bad. So then I

1133
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,720
was like, whoa, okay,
whatever, I'm gonna play everything else.

1134
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:46,880
So like take that played resume two. But Resident Evil four I missed because

1135
01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:56,159
I was in college at the time, studying. I was in New York

1136
01:24:56,359 --> 01:25:00,880
City. I'm walking. I don't
know the Resident than Evil. I'm a

1137
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,039
metropolitan evil more like John F.
Kennedy. Where's my taxi? I got

1138
01:25:05,119 --> 01:25:15,920
a flight to catch Catholic church.
Um put great gardens. I'm not just

1139
01:25:15,039 --> 01:25:25,319
East coast krusty New Yorker. Character
is real good. Yeah a storia um

1140
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:30,319
uh. I just got like Transylvanian
there for oh my gosh, wait wait

1141
01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:33,359
wait wait wait okay. So one
time there's this absolutely horrible hurricane that hit

1142
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:39,560
New York and get bad that I
say this. This is this is a

1143
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:44,880
very like old of oox media.
Horrible hurricane hits New York. We lose

1144
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:49,800
power on Manhattan Island. I do
not have power for days. I walk

1145
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:55,640
across the all of New York,
all of Manhattan, across the bridge into

1146
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,479
Deep Brooklyn to stay with a friend. I'm like, great, this is

1147
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,960
so good. And then I'm where
they have power and Chris Grant was like,

1148
01:26:01,319 --> 01:26:05,479
hey, there's power near Madison Square
Garden and that's where office is.

1149
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:10,399
We need you to go shoot a
video with Rush fresh stick that nobody will

1150
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:14,479
watch. I'm like, great,
I'll walk in. That's a good idea.

1151
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,479
I walk in. It is absolute
chaos getting into a more or less

1152
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:21,439
completely abandoned Manhattan. I get in
a car. In a car, I

1153
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,960
hitchhike, straight up hitchhike, using
my Midwest skills. I get in a

1154
01:26:26,039 --> 01:26:30,199
car with this dude and he's like
telling me about how he's a photographer and

1155
01:26:30,399 --> 01:26:32,920
how he like makes love to all
these beautiful models and all this stuff.

1156
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,439
And I'm like, wow, you
seem like a really interesting guy. And

1157
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:40,359
this is like mid October, and
I'm like you seem a really interesting guy

1158
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,640
and he's like, yeah, I
am. And I was like, oh,

1159
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,560
you know, where are you from? And he's like I was like,

1160
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:46,840
are you from? Like around here
and he's like, no, I'm

1161
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:50,920
from Transylvania. And I said,
that's so funny. I watched Dracula last

1162
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:56,199
night and he slammed on the brakes
and I hadn't watched Dracula last night.

1163
01:26:56,239 --> 01:27:00,560
I wasn't being mean. Rather breaks
from the middle of the bridge and told

1164
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:04,560
me to get out and rock Wait. Wait a minute, was it from

1165
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:14,199
Romania or Transylvania. I'm pretty sure
he said Transylvania, because I can't It's

1166
01:27:14,319 --> 01:27:17,800
crazy. I don't think many people
are from Transylvania. But that's very funny

1167
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:21,880
that I am like positive he said
Transylvania because I wasn't being mean. I

1168
01:27:23,039 --> 01:27:25,920
was like, I was like,
it was truly like it was the first

1169
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,640
time. I was like, oh
wow, that's how one of fun coincidence

1170
01:27:29,039 --> 01:27:32,560
because I had watched He's like this, so you can't break. Well,

1171
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:36,680
of course you're gonna bring up Dracula. I mean, one could have been

1172
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:41,600
spicier. You could have been like, I just watched Rocky Horror Picture Show

1173
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:45,359
last night. Yeah, they love
guys one of Transylvania. I was in

1174
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,880
people from Transylvania effort and you said, sure, I watched the most famous

1175
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:55,279
things set there, and he I
just googled what is Transylvania known for it?

1176
01:27:55,359 --> 01:28:01,920
And the top result is bloodthirsty vampire
pires. So like, he was

1177
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,640
obviously mad because he kicked you out, But did he mention anything to you

1178
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:11,079
about it? We're not at all
vampires? Like, what did he say?

1179
01:28:11,159 --> 01:28:14,840
And then he turned around and the
clouds broke for just a second and

1180
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:16,359
the son hit him and his skin
burned, and I was like, whoa,

1181
01:28:16,399 --> 01:28:24,479
wa, woa, whoa. There
are like as many people in Transylvania

1182
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:29,279
as Syracuse. Get get out of
wiki. I'm just at a dodge.

1183
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,439
If I would have assumed there were
far fewer, or I literally just did

1184
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,560
twenty seconds ago assume there were far
fewer. So apologies, so Transylvanians who

1185
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:41,560
are listening, What did he recommend
doing? Was he like, before he

1186
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:44,720
got really pissed at you, was
he just like, well, before you

1187
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:46,439
got pissed to me, he was
talking about the joy of being a photographer

1188
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:50,159
who gets to sleep with beautiful women. That was pretty much all he wanted

1189
01:28:50,199 --> 01:28:54,560
to tell me about. And you
talked to me about skin moisturizer, which

1190
01:28:54,600 --> 01:29:00,439
would make sense if you were the
undead. Yeah, do you have a

1191
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,279
bag of five thousand. Yeah,
did you have a bag of dirt near

1192
01:29:04,319 --> 01:29:08,359
his feet? They need their home
so hung near them at all times.

1193
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,279
Yeah, that was good. That
See, that's some real that's some real

1194
01:29:11,359 --> 01:29:18,760
vampire lore. I don't get the
hot dog car red Dracula in a while.

1195
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,399
Wait, wait, wait, I
want to go back to what Marry

1196
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,960
was talking about. I like the
idea of him giving me advice. I

1197
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:32,079
like that he's like, don't go
to Halal Guys on fifty third Street.

1198
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:38,680
It's the one on the other corner. That's the real Halal guys. Now,

1199
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:44,159
let me suck your blood. That's
the He's a true new Yorker,

1200
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:48,199
a true New york I love anti
jokes where it's like, what are he's

1201
01:29:48,199 --> 01:29:51,720
saying? Has nothing to do with
him being a vampire, what's the what's

1202
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:59,159
the It was on SNL it was
John shake Shock used to be good,

1203
01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:05,159
defended to was only in Union Square, I got you, which was never

1204
01:30:05,319 --> 01:30:09,319
there. It was a trick.
It was Brian Park You are a fake

1205
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:15,000
New Yorker. Let me suck your
blood. This accent I can't place it.

1206
01:30:15,199 --> 01:30:19,239
I'm like, I'm all over.
When John Millenny and Bill Hayter are

1207
01:30:19,319 --> 01:30:23,640
talking about like the Jewish vampire.
He's like, what's the Jewish vampire's name?

1208
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:27,600
He's like Sydney apple bomb has nothing
to do with him being a vampire.

1209
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,880
I love anti vampire jokes. Well
not, I love anti Oh wow,

1210
01:30:33,319 --> 01:30:43,319
sorry cancel, sorry vampires. Oh
but Mary, really really quick one,

1211
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:47,720
Mary, you played that. I
recommended what the hell's it called?

1212
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:54,039
Have a Nice Death? I had
memory of you talking about I'm not playing

1213
01:30:54,079 --> 01:30:59,319
that that game? Fine? Oh
I brought it up and Dan said that

1214
01:30:59,359 --> 01:31:00,880
he wouldn't play I Have a Nice
Death because it looks like Hollow Night,

1215
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:08,720
Oh that old chestnut. First of
all, have a Nice Death is gorgeous.

1216
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,439
And when you tell me a game
and I've never heard of it,

1217
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:15,199
I typically google it just so that
I can see it. I just want

1218
01:31:15,239 --> 01:31:19,880
to see what I'm thinking about.
And Have a Nice Death is so pretty.

1219
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:26,680
The animation style and the visual style
of the world building is really thoughtful.

1220
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:30,039
So you're death, like, yeah, you're death, but you're also

1221
01:31:30,119 --> 01:31:34,039
like death doing paperwork, which I
think is very cheeky and funny every time

1222
01:31:34,119 --> 01:31:38,039
you die. It even has some
good audio effects that's just like welcome back

1223
01:31:38,079 --> 01:31:43,439
to the Afterlife. Yeah, it's
got like some cheeky tunes to it.

1224
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:47,039
That part of the game is really
good. But I think I've been realizing

1225
01:31:47,279 --> 01:31:50,960
that I am judge about aesthetics of
a game and whether or not they've thought

1226
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:56,479
things through. And I really judged
the game that you did recommend to me

1227
01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:00,680
because it looks like a child made
it, and I just over it.

1228
01:32:00,279 --> 01:32:03,800
I love thought things through. Like
the problem with hatch Quest is not that

1229
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,840
like that it has arn't that you
don't like, is that it was their

1230
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:11,319
fault for not thinking about this one. Are you not think that we would

1231
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:15,640
like it? They didn't think that's
true. They forgot They asked every question

1232
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:21,399
except for wait, should it not
look so bad? It was one guy

1233
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:25,079
who made it. He doesn't have
any editors to ask me. I love

1234
01:32:25,159 --> 01:32:30,560
that you picked on this game one
like seven years an actual miracle. You're

1235
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:33,359
like, yeah, but do you
think about not making it's so shitty?

1236
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,880
Lucky walked on water? Did he
have water skis? Did he did he

1237
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,680
ever think that maybe he should have
just like fucking swam like the rest of

1238
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:44,399
us. I could have seved this
game turned all that water into wine.

1239
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:49,119
Uh sorry, I want beer?
Maybe I just wanted water. I would

1240
01:32:49,119 --> 01:32:53,279
have stopped in the middle of the
bridge and kicked his ass out. Did

1241
01:32:53,399 --> 01:32:58,800
not do what I wanted, but
have a nice death. Is just a

1242
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:02,760
fine game. It's a fine game. Uh would play game like Hemingway would

1243
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:05,920
say, like, just it's fine, it's it's got some good acts to

1244
01:33:06,079 --> 01:33:09,840
it. Um. Like Tyrannill,
I really enjoyed the beginning of it.

1245
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:14,279
I loved the concept of So it's
what would you call it? It's just

1246
01:33:14,399 --> 01:33:19,720
like so many of these other games. You are going until you die,

1247
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:23,880
and then you just start over again. You're killing the same monsters in the

1248
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:30,199
same environments again and again and again. Um. But because it's so similar

1249
01:33:30,359 --> 01:33:36,600
to a Dead Cells, it asks
the question would you rather play Dead Cells?

1250
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:42,359
And that's one of the problems like
that. Yeah, and Dead Cells

1251
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:48,640
just had Castlevania deal with van fires. Yeah, why didn't you bring that

1252
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:58,119
up? Cellsylvania? You just could
catal ejects you off the Manhattan Bridge.

1253
01:33:59,039 --> 01:34:02,720
Oh my god. Uh yeah,
I think I think it has good moments

1254
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:06,079
to it. Again, love the
visual style. The boss fights are fun.

1255
01:34:06,199 --> 01:34:10,239
It's really fun. So at the
end of each area you have a

1256
01:34:10,319 --> 01:34:13,960
boss fight and then you take the
elevator to a new area. Um,

1257
01:34:15,279 --> 01:34:18,800
the combat just gets a little repetitive. But at least there's different types of

1258
01:34:19,159 --> 01:34:24,279
weapons. There's the scythe. There's
a double scythe um that's like a little

1259
01:34:24,319 --> 01:34:28,640
faster. There's a scythe on chains, very scythe focused. But um,

1260
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,279
all these different things have different mechanics, so it gives it a bit of

1261
01:34:31,319 --> 01:34:36,319
a variance, but it's not as
varied as dead sels. Have you ever

1262
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:41,039
thought? Okay, so did we
did you talk about dredge on this show

1263
01:34:41,079 --> 01:34:46,199
already? Do you know what dredges? It? Dredge? Yeah, for

1264
01:34:46,279 --> 01:34:50,920
people who are listening. For everyone
else, explained it in detail. Yeah,

1265
01:34:51,600 --> 01:35:00,079
don't like losers, um uh,
dredges a fishing game where you like,

1266
01:35:00,399 --> 01:35:05,520
you just upgrade your fishing boat,
right except twist Cthulhu. You are

1267
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:14,840
in a Lovecraftian Eastern American town harbor, I guess, and like ship's getting

1268
01:35:15,079 --> 01:35:19,079
weird? Word? Where am I
playing it? Yeah? Is this on

1269
01:35:19,239 --> 01:35:25,439
Steam? Is? It's on Steam
deck and I it might be on Switch

1270
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,760
now I know it's getting a physical
release on Switch bount If it's on Switch

1271
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:33,720
yet, it is, it's great. I only mention it because I think

1272
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:40,239
there's I love when somebody sees a
mechanic and they're like, hey, where

1273
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:45,479
what else does this fit that you
wouldn't expect? And fishing and lovecraft and

1274
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:50,520
like lovecrafting and horror cosmic horror a
perfect fit because the idea of lovecrafting horror

1275
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:57,920
is there is an entire world beyond
ours that we can't see, Like,

1276
01:35:58,079 --> 01:36:00,239
we can't comprehend it. It is
even if we tried. It's like kind

1277
01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:03,439
of invisible to us, and it's
so much bigger than us. And that's

1278
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:08,159
just the ocean. Like that's just
the very idea of the ocean, that

1279
01:36:08,279 --> 01:36:12,000
it is so big that it is
inherently unknowable, and it's so deep that

1280
01:36:12,159 --> 01:36:15,239
we get so dark that we can't
see it. So saying like, oh,

1281
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:23,920
fishing plus the ocean would be a
good lovecraft thing, and scythe plus

1282
01:36:24,119 --> 01:36:29,680
farming and death, where the entire
point of farming is to like grow crops.

1283
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:32,520
It's life. Shit, why don't
we doing it? Why Valley?

1284
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:38,520
But you're death? Oh my got
Stardy Valley. But all you do is

1285
01:36:39,319 --> 01:36:43,560
one game, an attack into other
people. Stardy Valley saves and kill every

1286
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:46,640
kill them. Oh my god,
you are a monster. I was gonna

1287
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:50,960
say, you know, Stardu Valley
ends because you're like Grandpappy died and left

1288
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:55,600
you this farm. But it's like, twist, I killed him because I'm

1289
01:36:55,680 --> 01:37:00,520
death. How how wild would that
be? If like, what not board

1290
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,600
Ape? Who is the person who
made Stardy Valley? Yeah, it's a

1291
01:37:04,199 --> 01:37:13,720
concerned not board Ape yacht Club.
Yeah, I think it's an Yeah what

1292
01:37:14,119 --> 01:37:17,439
if like that would mean such a
Cogima move if whoever made Stardy Valley was

1293
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:20,840
like, oh, it turns out
there's a twist. I do get to

1294
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:25,239
come and reap the souls of any
save I want. I built, gonna

1295
01:37:25,319 --> 01:37:30,600
exploit, and you don't know when
I'm gonna come for you. So that

1296
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,680
was it. Didn't Cogima at one
point want or try to make a game

1297
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:39,159
or try to pitch a game to
Konami. That was it would when you

1298
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:42,479
die, it deleted. You couldn't
use that copy of the disc anymore.

1299
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:46,079
Well, I didn't know that.
I've heard. Oh no, you know

1300
01:37:46,119 --> 01:37:49,399
what it was in the creative gene
he mentioned, which I have right alongside

1301
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:54,560
my poly and Kale collection. Yeah, sure, sure they're identical. Yeah,

1302
01:37:55,439 --> 01:38:00,720
I think he wanted to. Yeah, I'm PlayStation. He imagine what

1303
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,199
she would have thought of Death Stranding. I think she would have liked it,

1304
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:09,199
honestly. Um, yeah, he
wanted a game that was basically Perma

1305
01:38:09,239 --> 01:38:15,479
Death, but like actual Perma Death. You buy the physical copy at Toys

1306
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:17,880
r Us whatever, bring it home, and you die in the game,

1307
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:21,279
and the disc is no longer usable
in your PlayStation, so you have to

1308
01:38:21,319 --> 01:38:27,439
go. Imagine I'm leaving a toys
rs. I didn't want to use my

1309
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,439
local game store name at the clothes
now, so I was like, okay,

1310
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:33,319
micro game, then you bring your
disc back. I just love imagining

1311
01:38:33,359 --> 01:38:38,079
you leave a Toys r Us with
your precious disk. But like the concept

1312
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:41,399
of that paper bag, like nothing's
going to be going on here, you

1313
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:49,319
sicko, sicko in my little pony
bag. I'm not pulling from a specific

1314
01:38:49,359 --> 01:38:54,239
memory there, no, no,
of course, not of course now it's

1315
01:38:54,279 --> 01:38:58,600
not repressed. The last thing I'll
mention, I'm playing Advance. How to

1316
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:01,560
fuck do I say this name?
Advanced Wars one plus two reboot Camp.

1317
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:10,359
Okay, I ever played them on
game Boy Advance like turn based tactics games

1318
01:39:10,359 --> 01:39:14,079
a lot, so I was excited
for this and I can I guess talk

1319
01:39:14,079 --> 01:39:17,880
about the first few chapters, but
I'll just say that it's actually pretty refreshing

1320
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:25,600
to go back to such a simplified
turn based tactics game. X Com Too

1321
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:28,680
is one of my favorite games of
all time, if not by like it's

1322
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:31,319
one of my top five, and
that game gets pretty complex at certain points.

1323
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:39,960
But Advanced Wars so far is very
like cute in its presentation, and

1324
01:39:40,079 --> 01:39:42,560
when you kill guys, they don't
die, they just like shoot off the

1325
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:46,560
screen like Smash Bros. Style.
Is it weird it got delayed because of

1326
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:53,239
an actual war. I can see
why the question would have been raised in

1327
01:39:53,319 --> 01:39:58,239
a few meetings. The premise,
the premise of the first game is that

1328
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:02,760
two too neighboring countries, one of
which has wanted peace for a long time

1329
01:40:03,079 --> 01:40:09,039
but had land taken from it by
the Bully Country, is finally getting like

1330
01:40:09,159 --> 01:40:12,960
the big invasion from the Bully Country. That's the premises. Wow. Okay,

1331
01:40:13,079 --> 01:40:16,239
okay, okay, So like I
see, And apparently they reworked one

1332
01:40:16,359 --> 01:40:24,600
character quite a bit named olaf Um, who I think I don't know if

1333
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:28,720
he's if he again, I didn't
play the original game, but I think

1334
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:30,560
he was a bit too close for
comfort for them. I don't know that

1335
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:34,319
they've confirmed these things. I think
they've said a little bit, but um,

1336
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:40,000
yeah, I don't know. I'm
enjoying these games. It's like so

1337
01:40:40,359 --> 01:40:46,119
cutesye and like cartoony and adorable looking, and then idea that it's like so

1338
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:51,800
close to the actual war that's happening
in real time is very jarring and it's

1339
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,800
just like, yeah, you know, Max, like watch you out.

1340
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:01,640
It's just like seems like off that
it's that close to reality. It's it

1341
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:08,479
is very surreal. Um. Those
games are also like pretty hardcore in terms

1342
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:12,359
of difficulty for a Nintendo game,
Right, yeah you can. I'm playing.

1343
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,880
There's two, there's Casual and Classic. And I was like, all

1344
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:16,760
right, I'll play on Classic because
I get I don't want to get bored.

1345
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,960
I'd rather it'd be tough. Yeah
you're a gamer. I get it.

1346
01:41:20,079 --> 01:41:26,039
I'm a gamer. I'm a tactics
gamer. You know. Oh man,

1347
01:41:27,079 --> 01:41:30,760
live fast, fun, hard baby. So there it is. He

1348
01:41:31,399 --> 01:41:35,159
came out. So I was like, I ask kind of a time stamp

1349
01:41:35,239 --> 01:41:45,199
this so I know where I'm enjoying
them. There again, it is kind

1350
01:41:45,239 --> 01:41:47,760
of refreshing, Like I think a
lot of even like indie turn based tactics

1351
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:53,479
games. Um, the one I
played last year. I'll get back to

1352
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:55,680
the name rather than dwelling on it, but it was a good game that

1353
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:58,680
went to early access last year.
When you're hiring mercenaries, et cetera,

1354
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:00,640
I think a lot of them big
in with the assumption that you have played

1355
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:04,439
a shit ton of these kind of
games. It's nice to despite the fact

1356
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:10,840
that this is a remaster remake,
it's still you're going back to a time

1357
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:14,119
when this game was on Game Boy
Advance, and I think they felt like,

1358
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,079
probably correctly, they were starting from
scratch with a lot of these players

1359
01:42:17,279 --> 01:42:21,199
with this kind of game. So
it's kind of a cool little flash in

1360
01:42:21,239 --> 01:42:26,760
the pan moment for when, oh, this worked really well on this specific

1361
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:30,279
handheld which had a very good library, and I'm seeing that kind of play

1362
01:42:30,359 --> 01:42:32,479
on real time on Switch and it's
it's fun. It's not getting super complicated,

1363
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:38,199
but it is very much a Nintendo
game in that it is each mission

1364
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:44,720
they're introducing one thing at a time
methodically, to the point where I'm getting

1365
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:47,640
a bit exhausted. In exhausted is
a strong word, I'm getting I'm starting

1366
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:54,079
to get a bit tired of Oh, they're introducing this one mechanic at the

1367
01:42:54,079 --> 01:42:55,960
beginning of the battle. That's what
I'm going to use the rest of it.

1368
01:42:56,039 --> 01:42:58,239
And I can already see how this
will play on future battles. I

1369
01:42:58,279 --> 01:43:00,159
just want them to get there.
But they're are a lot of missions.

1370
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:08,000
Uh, they're at least at least
like twenty in the first game, which

1371
01:43:08,039 --> 01:43:10,399
doesn't sound like much, but then
you're playing through them, and a lot

1372
01:43:10,439 --> 01:43:14,560
of them the first five at least
or tutorials. Um, I'm gonna keep

1373
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:17,840
playing them see if they ever get
to I feel like people I know Jake

1374
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:23,359
It talks about has told me that
he thinks I'd like these games before I

1375
01:43:23,399 --> 01:43:26,359
think Pete Brown told me I would
like these games. If memory serves.

1376
01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:29,760
I feel like they're talked about with
a certain reverence, and I wonder how

1377
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:34,159
much of it was a time and
place thing. Yeah, this handheld that

1378
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:39,399
people had that it felt like these
were kind of and I can sucked yea

1379
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:42,880
to live with it. Oh,
you have his Minish Captain Advanced Wars.

1380
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:49,079
Yeah that's sound true. Still good. Yeah, games don't so many games

1381
01:43:49,159 --> 01:43:59,000
don't. Shit. I talk more
about Advance Wars at some point. Um,

1382
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:05,079
I'm playing anything. I mean,
yeah, video games. I've been

1383
01:44:05,159 --> 01:44:11,119
playing Octopath, I've been playing Dredge, I've been playing Oh wait, yeah,

1384
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:15,039
we would never no offense. We
would probably not talk about Paranormal Site

1385
01:44:15,039 --> 01:44:16,880
and fire Escape unless I played it
and then try to convince them to play

1386
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:21,039
it. So everybody should play Paranormal
Site. That way we can talk about

1387
01:44:21,039 --> 01:44:24,560
it at the end of the year
on like every game of the year thing.

1388
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:29,119
Wow, it's gonna be the sleeper
hit game of the year game that

1389
01:44:29,279 --> 01:44:33,640
like that pops up on like every
like indie game blog and it will like

1390
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:36,960
get like game of the year on
like pace, you know. And I'm

1391
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:41,560
not saying that as a disc like
that's how you know it's actually good.

1392
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:45,279
Yeah, yeah, it's good.
It's it is a it's a reedy game.

1393
01:44:45,359 --> 01:44:46,159
Oh yeah, I guess this is
a good time to talk about it.

1394
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,079
So I don't like me, I
can't play that his Ears. Yeah.

1395
01:44:49,239 --> 01:44:58,640
Um. It is a horror kind
of like visual novel um slash detective

1396
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:03,199
game. And you can play on
practically everything, like it's on console,

1397
01:45:03,279 --> 01:45:09,439
it's on PC, but where I
recommend playing it is on your iOS device

1398
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:15,079
if you have an iPad mini that
is the dream place for this. I

1399
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:17,199
have tried it on so many different
dumb consoles because I was trying to find

1400
01:45:17,399 --> 01:45:23,159
my perfect spot, and I've had
many. Is great because the art doesn't

1401
01:45:23,199 --> 01:45:27,520
really look as good on a really
large screen, but you still like having

1402
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:30,680
an iPad and letting it feel more
like a book works really well. Also,

1403
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:36,520
the way that the actual gameplay it
works is you're in a like three

1404
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:42,960
sixty degree environment and you look around
by using your like fingers swipes to like

1405
01:45:44,359 --> 01:45:46,920
roll around, and you know,
the very first time that the game tells

1406
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:50,359
you this, you're talking to like
this young woman in a park like at

1407
01:45:50,399 --> 01:45:54,960
like two in the morning, and
it's like very like spooky, and they're

1408
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,199
like, oh, you should look
around. You're like, I know that

1409
01:45:57,279 --> 01:46:00,520
when I look around, there's gonna
be something. It's gonna happened to me.

1410
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:03,720
Something bad's going to happen. And
it does it right away. It's

1411
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,479
like, yes, you're right,
we were going to do that to you.

1412
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:11,640
You're you are right, don't trust
us, and then it like it

1413
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:16,840
doesn't really do a whole lot more
scary than that. It's more like upsetting

1414
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:27,600
mix of like modern folklore and very
very very classical Japanese folklore that is hyper

1415
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:32,680
local, like it is about a
neighborhood in Tokyo, And that is what

1416
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:36,600
I think is so awesome about it
is I love I love any game of

1417
01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:41,520
this like really really really digs in
and it almost has like the pleasure of

1418
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:46,359
you know, reading a horror movie
Wikipedia, or reading like a franchise,

1419
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:49,880
the entire franchise of like Friday thirteenth, Like, Wow, this is wild.

1420
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:54,319
I'm learning so much about this movie. But also, um, it's

1421
01:46:54,359 --> 01:46:57,439
like not too scary, and I
can kind of go on all these other

1422
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:02,960
tangents about what inspired it in Yeah, there's something about it that I don't

1423
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:09,399
know. It really in blurs the
line of video game and Wikipedia book better

1424
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:12,880
than a lot of visual novels that
I love, even games I love like

1425
01:47:13,039 --> 01:47:15,800
Thirteen Sentinels, which is one of
my favorite games the last ten years,

1426
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:20,439
is very like here's the story,
and then there's also an actual Wikipedia of

1427
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:26,039
like diary or dictionary intries or Encyclopedia
intries on my god, and then there's

1428
01:47:26,079 --> 01:47:30,359
like a RTS game. And this
I think is much more clever about kind

1429
01:47:30,359 --> 01:47:34,600
of getting it all together and surprising
you of like oh am I in the

1430
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:36,920
game right now, and then I
in the reading area. Am I like

1431
01:47:38,039 --> 01:47:42,720
kind of doing research to understand the
story. You always feel like you're a

1432
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:48,239
little bit off your balance. What
was the name of it again, Para

1433
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:56,760
Norma site, para Norma site.
Yes, and I don't want amazing guy

1434
01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:00,720
who's like I liked it before it
was cool, But this is a game

1435
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:04,319
where I think Mahardy actually has the
email that I sent on like a Saturday

1436
01:48:04,399 --> 01:48:09,199
morning where we got offered code and
I have no idea why, but I

1437
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:15,239
saw in the email to our reviews
list like paranorma site square Enix, and

1438
01:48:15,279 --> 01:48:16,640
I was like, oh, I
know, I'm gonna love this. It's

1439
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:20,520
a name I've never heard of,
something paranormal and it's one of these like

1440
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:24,479
new things that Screenix does where they
put a whole bunch of money behind something

1441
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:28,920
they probably shouldn't have. This is
like, man, its fastball down the

1442
01:48:29,119 --> 01:48:33,960
center. But I know no shit
I was. I think I was like

1443
01:48:34,079 --> 01:48:38,960
on the couch watching TV after having
gotten out of bed and had coffee,

1444
01:48:39,039 --> 01:48:41,840
and I was on the couch with
Amanda and I for better or worse,

1445
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:45,720
I check my work email like twice
every Saturday once in the morning one and

1446
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:48,720
I just to make sure I didn't
miss any big like code come through something.

1447
01:48:49,039 --> 01:48:54,079
Sure, pretty sure, I said
to Amanda Jesus Christ. Plant respond

1448
01:48:54,119 --> 01:48:58,199
to that email super quickly. It
was like, hey, we have codes

1449
01:48:58,199 --> 01:49:00,439
for this paranorma site from Square Ennix. And then Plants like, yeah,

1450
01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:03,359
sure, we're interested. It was
like four minutes later, what is the

1451
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:06,960
game? Yeah? It really?
It made it seemed like I was like,

1452
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:10,159
oh, man, Plant must have
been really waiting for this one,

1453
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:16,159
not at all directly here I see
a POLYGONI respond in four minutes, I

1454
01:49:16,239 --> 01:49:21,880
hope this game is good. He
didn't read the description. There's a lot

1455
01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:26,560
of typos. No, it wasn't. Here's my home address so that you

1456
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:30,680
can send it right away. Yeah. I was like, you live near

1457
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:33,319
by a lock over? Where are
you right now? Send me a pin?

1458
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:39,479
Where are you? I'm a Terminal
four at JFK. Where what country

1459
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:50,840
do you live in? I've been
playing Dracula. How do you feel when

1460
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:54,640
people are mean to you and give
you sure leaves? What does that make

1461
01:49:54,680 --> 01:50:02,159
you want to do? Put yogurt
up? I told you, well,

1462
01:50:02,199 --> 01:50:06,399
that's all my games. Did you
guys want to do? Emails? Sure,

1463
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:10,600
sure, all right? As always, you can write in emails or

1464
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:14,199
questions, comments, concerns, corrections. I never read those. I put

1465
01:50:14,279 --> 01:50:16,560
them in the trash. But you
can write in questions for firescape cast at

1466
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:21,079
firescape cast at gmail dot com.
We will maybe read them if they're good.

1467
01:50:21,119 --> 01:50:25,600
If they're bad, don't waste my
time. But firescape cast at gmail

1468
01:50:26,119 --> 01:50:30,399
dot com. As always, Mary, do you want to read this?

1469
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:39,920
First one from Arthur? Sure Hi, fire Escape Crew And the last episode

1470
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,640
you answered a question about integrating gaming
into your day to day life. Your

1471
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:49,279
answers tended towards shorter sessions on a
consistent basis, such as Mike saying he

1472
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:54,199
plays in the morning before work.
I have also found this to be successful,

1473
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:58,920
but I feel that it selects the
types of games that I can play

1474
01:50:59,279 --> 01:51:03,279
to shorter or condensed experiences, which
means I can't play long games anymore.

1475
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:08,680
My question is, can you think
of any long, narrative oriented games that

1476
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:12,880
can be broken out into shorter sessions? Love the show. It's the only

1477
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:16,239
gaming podcast that I listened to.
You hear that plant only one Arthur from

1478
01:51:16,279 --> 01:51:19,479
Stanford. I believe we met Arthur
at the meet up, unless there we

1479
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:24,439
have more than one listener in the
TriStar and named Nope, there's only one

1480
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:27,920
Arthur. I know a long form
narrative game that you could play in short

1481
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:33,000
sessions. It's called Oxopaths Traveler too. Oh my god, yeah that's true.

1482
01:51:33,399 --> 01:51:35,600
I try to play last night because
I was like, oh, I

1483
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:39,479
should get like I should get another
character and so I could really be cool

1484
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:44,000
and talk about this game. And
I like started a story for I don't

1485
01:51:44,119 --> 01:51:46,600
thrown a or whatever. Went into
a town. The first person I met

1486
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,279
was like, hey, how are
you doing? Like you seem really nice.

1487
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:53,800
I'm looking for my kid, as
everyone apparently is, and I was

1488
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:57,239
like, yeah, yeah, that's
interesting. Um hey, let's see what

1489
01:51:57,319 --> 01:52:00,479
this person has on their person.
If I mug them, it's like a

1490
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:04,000
really cool sword. And I was
like, bye, it's like this person

1491
01:52:04,039 --> 01:52:09,039
has a photo of their missing child. Snatch it, baby. It's like

1492
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:12,359
every child has candy. And I'm
like, yeah, I don't need it

1493
01:52:12,399 --> 01:52:15,399
and it's not worth much, but
I have one hundred percent chance of stealing

1494
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:18,560
it without getting caught, so you
know I'm gonna take it. Statistics are

1495
01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:23,760
on my side, kids. Well
sorry, I had a fifty percent chance

1496
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:27,279
to steal a loaf of bread from
a guy who was complaining about severe hunger,

1497
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:32,199
and I got it? Was it
Philip Glass? No, that's a

1498
01:52:32,319 --> 01:52:36,880
that's a joke for one person.
There's gonna be one person. Hey,

1499
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:41,439
if you if you enjoy a good
Philip Glass has a love for bread joke.

1500
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:46,079
It hit us up at fire Escape
cast at gmail dot com and say

1501
01:52:46,199 --> 01:52:49,359
more of that, more of that, please, more of that guy?

1502
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:51,880
We want him back. Fuck is
this guy? Where do we find?

1503
01:52:53,079 --> 01:52:57,439
Oh? Geez no, I mean
thirteen sentinels, right, that's the obvious

1504
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:00,880
answer. Thirteen sentinels, their thirteen
character. You can play their character,

1505
01:53:01,039 --> 01:53:05,279
each character in chapters as you want, and it's on switch so you can

1506
01:53:05,359 --> 01:53:09,840
just like put it in sleep mode
if you need to. I wrote about

1507
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:14,560
this recently in regards to Octopath,
but also like Live Alive kind of time

1508
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:19,279
splitters too. I want more short
story collection video games. Yeah, it's

1509
01:53:19,319 --> 01:53:24,840
a good format because you can play
something that's kind of woven together across a

1510
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:28,079
bunch of different characters that you can
play in shorter sessions. Because short stories

1511
01:53:28,079 --> 01:53:31,720
are the only good stories. Don't
adapt novels, you know, like name

1512
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:36,600
good movies that are based off novels
name good movies are based off short stories.

1513
01:53:38,119 --> 01:53:41,560
Yeah, now you're on the right
page. Now you're doing it.

1514
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:46,359
How many good rookie Murakami novels turn
into good movies? Good luck? How

1515
01:53:46,439 --> 01:53:51,840
many short stories turned into great movies? Boom, drive my car burning Boom.

1516
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:56,159
You're just you're blasting them out now, Norwegian wood No, thank you,

1517
01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:04,239
sorry, waiting to go off right? In fire Escape casts, if

1518
01:54:04,319 --> 01:54:10,199
you want more hot content just like
and if you never want to see him

1519
01:54:10,239 --> 01:54:17,680
again again, you can go to
the best season email them there about see

1520
01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:24,720
what share our email address? Um, married, you have a game recommendation?

1521
01:54:25,199 --> 01:54:30,239
I mean I would say games that
are that can be good narratively but

1522
01:54:30,319 --> 01:54:35,159
are broken up into chapters. That
come to mind are the Until Dawn series,

1523
01:54:36,239 --> 01:54:40,920
which is broken up into very specific
chapters, so if you can make

1524
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,119
time for a chapter, you'll be
good. Also, the saves and that

1525
01:54:44,279 --> 01:54:49,520
are very kind, And if you
quit or you die, you can leave

1526
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:54,439
the game and come back and it'll
start you at the last place before you

1527
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:57,439
died. It won't make you restart
the chapter, so it's not grueling or

1528
01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:01,079
pressing. The game knows you will
die. I also find that for whatever

1529
01:55:01,159 --> 01:55:04,840
reason. The game is written in
a way that kind of narratively is like

1530
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:10,560
Becky, but isn't your boyfriend going
to kind of like the way that they

1531
01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:14,560
write characters in TV shows in case
you've forgot, and so they'll kind of

1532
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:17,960
remind you at the beginning of a
chapter what happened last chapter. It actually

1533
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:21,479
even does recaps every chapter, so
you know why you can forget. Yes,

1534
01:55:23,079 --> 01:55:27,600
I love that concepts just like as
a nice easy to deliver for you

1535
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:30,239
so that you don't feel guilty that
you had something else to do and you

1536
01:55:30,279 --> 01:55:32,159
didn't come back to it, or
maybe even that you took long breaks,

1537
01:55:32,279 --> 01:55:34,960
which I do all the time,
where I'm like, I have time to

1538
01:55:35,039 --> 01:55:39,760
play this game for three weeks,
and now I forget. I don't remember

1539
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:42,319
the character's names or even what I
was up to. So those recaps are

1540
01:55:42,399 --> 01:55:47,239
really important. The Corey fucking ruled
by the way last year. The other

1541
01:55:47,319 --> 01:55:50,960
one I would say is a lot
of Telltale games do really good recaps and

1542
01:55:51,199 --> 01:55:59,560
have chapter breakouts, so a Walking
Dead obviously, I'm sorry to think the

1543
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:02,520
Wolf among us those types of games. It will remind you, it will

1544
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:05,039
be kind to you. You can
do it in sections, but you can

1545
01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:10,680
also just not Sorry, let's take
all our boy over here. I don't

1546
01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:14,880
know. I opened up the fire
escape inbox, and I thought Plant had

1547
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:20,279
just emailed us while you were talking
monster, That's why you were talking.

1548
01:56:20,319 --> 01:56:24,119
I did it while he was talking. Oh, while I was talking,

1549
01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:28,560
I had an important question. You
did it. There's no body text of

1550
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:31,680
the email, it's just subject line
my question, Colan who farted from Chris

1551
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:36,039
Plant? Anyway? Sorry? I
was like this thought it was. I

1552
01:56:36,119 --> 01:56:39,079
thought it was going to be a
glass thing. It was gonna be like

1553
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:44,720
more glass and you're gonna like another
Philip Glass joke. Yeah, just but

1554
01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:46,680
then look that guy who said all
the Philip Glass jokes. Bring him on

1555
01:56:46,760 --> 01:56:55,239
again. But it's like before we
aired the show, the Philip who's this

1556
01:56:56,119 --> 01:57:01,119
guy? Are you for real?
Yeah, maharny, you are really not

1557
01:57:01,279 --> 01:57:04,359
living up here your reputation. You're
not talking about the journalist. She's a

1558
01:57:04,399 --> 01:57:09,399
big idiot. For anyone else who's
dumb and doesn't know who Philip Glass is,

1559
01:57:09,560 --> 01:57:15,199
explain from the beginning. Yeah,
yeah, I mean Mary, Mary,

1560
01:57:15,279 --> 01:57:20,000
and I know that Philip Glass is
arguably the most important and recognizable American

1561
01:57:20,199 --> 01:57:25,079
composer of like the last forty years
incredible. Oh that sounds familiar. Why

1562
01:57:25,079 --> 01:57:27,680
would what do you mean? My
I don't know shit about like music?

1563
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:31,920
Really? Wait? Have you ever
seen that movie? Uh? Koianna Sakatzi,

1564
01:57:32,479 --> 01:57:36,800
Yes, Koyana Scotzi, the Yes, the Crop Fields and then The

1565
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:43,239
City Scots. He did the music
or he directed it. I mean the

1566
01:57:43,359 --> 01:57:47,039
whole point in that movie is his
music. No, it's not. Are

1567
01:57:47,159 --> 01:57:50,920
you I'm joking, I'm gonna you're
killing me, killing me? I have

1568
01:57:51,039 --> 01:57:55,920
seen Koyana Scotzi and I enjoyed it
in the art class. I watched it

1569
01:57:56,000 --> 01:58:00,119
in my freshman year at college.
But he did he did? Um the

1570
01:58:00,199 --> 01:58:02,239
Truman Show? Is that? It? Is that good enough for you?

1571
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:12,000
Oh? Now I'm interested? Okay? Wait is this right? Philip Class

1572
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:16,520
did the music from the original Candy
Man? Oh shit, weird wild?

1573
01:58:17,199 --> 01:58:24,000
What can you do? It?
Very very range and he passes the test

1574
01:58:24,079 --> 01:58:27,239
of time. I'm gonna bring up
Glassa, my favorite wine bar, this

1575
01:58:27,319 --> 01:58:30,079
weekend and be like you guys don't
know who Philip Glasses. Get out of

1576
01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:32,119
here, give me your Chardonnay's before
you leave. Every person there is going

1577
01:58:32,159 --> 01:58:35,439
to note because the wine bar that
you're going to he lives like four blocks

1578
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:40,399
from Really, not that I'm gonna
docks Philip Glass on this podcast, but

1579
01:58:40,680 --> 01:58:45,239
yes, he lives literally like four
blocks from your favorite wine bar. I

1580
01:58:45,359 --> 01:58:46,880
might, or at least did when
I lived in that neighborhood. My favorite

1581
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:51,800
wine bar changed. I'm a man
of I'm nimble. Yeah, oh wow,

1582
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:55,000
you kid, I have the same
favorite now. Of course I know

1583
01:58:55,039 --> 01:58:59,600
where it is. You're so predictable. Thank you Arthur for writing in appreciate

1584
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:01,039
it. And he said, ps, Mike should bring back the voices.

1585
01:59:01,399 --> 01:59:04,720
I don't do voices anymore, man, I love your South Park voices.

1586
01:59:05,159 --> 01:59:13,840
Yeah, all right, dear Landscapers. Do you guys have any devices or

1587
01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:17,159
equipment that has technically been made obsolete
that you still use regularly? I still

1588
01:59:17,239 --> 01:59:20,479
use MP three players, for example, even having bought a new one fairly

1589
01:59:20,600 --> 01:59:26,279
recently, which yes, means I
download your podcast directly from the website,

1590
01:59:26,399 --> 01:59:29,960
plug my player into my computer,
and move everything over manually. Mary,

1591
01:59:30,039 --> 01:59:32,960
stop highlighting random sentences while I reading. Can't help it. The fire escape

1592
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:36,239
thing pops up to tell me fire
Escape is editing, and I can't read,

1593
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:43,560
and it's infuriating me, and you
need stock everything over manually I just

1594
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:45,720
prefer having a separate device from my
pods and music, especially since I can

1595
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:48,640
use it without having to look at
it. How about you all? That

1596
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:55,520
was from Darien from Toronto. I
love that. Um. I have a

1597
01:59:55,560 --> 01:59:59,680
lot of respect for that because I
was obsessed with my MP three player and

1598
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:02,199
I held onto it for way longer
than the average user. I had it

1599
02:00:02,359 --> 02:00:06,760
for years afterwards, just because it's
really convenient. It's not distracting like a

1600
02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:11,680
phone, so I could have all
my podcasts and my music and it wasn't

1601
02:00:11,720 --> 02:00:14,520
distracting. It was just for me. I don't like having everything on my

1602
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:19,680
phone. The other thing that I'm
really interested in is my radio next to

1603
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:24,920
my bed that wakes me up in
the morning. I do not use a

1604
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:29,800
phone or anything connected to the internet
to wake me up in the morning.

1605
02:00:30,279 --> 02:00:34,079
I have it's called the dream Machine, which is hilarious because there's a video

1606
02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:39,600
game called the dream Machine, which
I love. And it is brown and

1607
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:44,119
it looks like it's from nineteen seventy
and I grew up with it and I

1608
02:00:44,319 --> 02:00:46,800
love my dream Machine. And it's
got a sleeper bar, it's got like

1609
02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:50,760
three buttons. It only does what
is like what God intended it to do.

1610
02:00:51,039 --> 02:00:54,640
It tells me the time, and
it wakes my ass up at eight

1611
02:00:54,680 --> 02:00:57,520
in the morning. That's it.
I have a clock radio next to my

1612
02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:01,439
bed that I want to get back
to using. I get the appeal of

1613
02:01:01,479 --> 02:01:05,239
wanting to like compartmentalize what I use
certain things for, rather than all being

1614
02:01:05,359 --> 02:01:09,199
centralized on my phone. I kind
of like the idea of busting out my

1615
02:01:09,239 --> 02:01:13,920
old iPod touch because I do like
having the clock radio be a separate thing

1616
02:01:14,119 --> 02:01:15,399
that I use. I don't have
to pick up my phone right away,

1617
02:01:15,560 --> 02:01:18,000
I don't have to touch it.
I'm pretty good at not looking at my

1618
02:01:18,039 --> 02:01:20,960
phone first thing in the morning,
but like just not having to touch it

1619
02:01:21,039 --> 02:01:25,800
would be nice. I'd appreciate it. Yeah, um, I mean,

1620
02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:30,439
I guess people are always surprised when
they learn I don't have a vinyl record

1621
02:01:30,479 --> 02:01:38,079
player. I don't, I do, I do you, uncultured swine?

1622
02:01:38,199 --> 02:01:45,279
I know I love my record player
as well. I do have when when

1623
02:01:45,359 --> 02:01:48,359
it serves me. I think it's
really fun to listen to game soundtrack or

1624
02:01:48,399 --> 02:01:54,000
any soundtrack on a record. I
think it has a really nice feel to

1625
02:01:54,199 --> 02:01:57,479
it. It takes more effort for
me to like hook it all up,

1626
02:01:57,560 --> 02:02:00,840
but I love it. Yeah,
we use it for dinner. We have

1627
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,279
it like in our like little kitchen
area, and it's like, oh,

1628
02:02:03,319 --> 02:02:08,000
this is great because like it's about
the time that you're going to be in

1629
02:02:08,039 --> 02:02:10,720
that room. You sit right next
to the record player. You can flip

1630
02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:13,640
it easy, and you'd like choose. It makes me like, yeah,

1631
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:16,520
you have to say like okay,
tonight while we eat we're having this on.

1632
02:02:17,079 --> 02:02:21,000
It's more intentional. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean for us,

1633
02:02:21,239 --> 02:02:25,319
we when we lived in New York, there was no room for it.

1634
02:02:25,479 --> 02:02:27,840
And then once we moved to Austin, it was like, oh there's

1635
02:02:27,880 --> 02:02:31,840
space and everyone in Austin has a
record player, like every person we knew.

1636
02:02:32,640 --> 02:02:38,119
And yeah, I dug out this
collection that I had worked at a

1637
02:02:38,199 --> 02:02:43,600
good will when I was in high
school and just collected tons of records because

1638
02:02:43,680 --> 02:02:47,640
they cost like fifty cents or whatever
as an employee, and I saw I

1639
02:02:47,720 --> 02:02:51,439
got first DIBs. So I just
had like a ton of old, weird

1640
02:02:51,560 --> 02:02:55,840
stuff that some of it is like
garbage that I don't know why I think

1641
02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:57,680
I've got. Then, because I
was like, yeah, I've heard of

1642
02:02:57,960 --> 02:03:03,720
sticks they roll someone, It's like
pretty good, this answer is going to

1643
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:11,920
sound weird, but books. I
really like physical books, and I like

1644
02:03:12,039 --> 02:03:14,920
the way they feel, and I
like the way they smell, and I

1645
02:03:15,079 --> 02:03:18,239
like the way I can put it
next to my bed at night. And

1646
02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:24,560
so even though an I Pad or
whatever is more common and it's easier and

1647
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:28,760
you can download them and you know, it saves trees and stuff, I

1648
02:03:28,920 --> 02:03:31,279
like going to a bookstore and I
like picking out a book from the shelf

1649
02:03:31,439 --> 02:03:34,479
and I like taking it home with
me and reading it. And I like

1650
02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:39,920
dog eared books where I like fold
it so that I remember where it is.

1651
02:03:40,039 --> 02:03:44,600
And am I'm being nostalgic, I'm
not sure, but I prefer reading

1652
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:48,119
a physical book. Yeah, same
here we have. That's one of the

1653
02:03:48,159 --> 02:03:54,960
few things I like. Collect i'd
say, but we I don't know.

1654
02:03:55,159 --> 02:04:00,039
I know, like e readers and
if you're reading something digitally, you know

1655
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:03,239
what page number round on the total. But I still love the feeling of

1656
02:04:03,359 --> 02:04:11,039
having like that thin cluster of pages
left. You can kind of like physically

1657
02:04:11,159 --> 02:04:16,039
feel the book reaching its climax or
coming down. Yeah, I like I

1658
02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:19,640
like feeling the heft in my left
hand. Not because I'm like reading books

1659
02:04:19,720 --> 02:04:21,800
just to finish it, but when
a book is like really good. I'm

1660
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:25,880
like or like knowing how many pages
I have till the end, and you

1661
02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:30,039
can kind of feel the emotion building
with the pages you're turning. I enjoy

1662
02:04:30,159 --> 02:04:31,880
that a lot. Yeah. I
don't know if this counts, but I

1663
02:04:33,119 --> 02:04:40,520
my favorite movie theater is like an
art house that is in like so Cow

1664
02:04:40,640 --> 02:04:45,199
and very very old and it's just
two screens and it's the old school seating,

1665
02:04:45,319 --> 02:04:50,880
like it's not stadium seating, and
like it's a nonprofit so you know,

1666
02:04:50,920 --> 02:04:54,079
if you want like a bag of
chips, it's like a buck fifty.

1667
02:04:55,840 --> 02:04:58,520
Everything just costs like nothing. You
know, they have coffee, but

1668
02:04:58,600 --> 02:05:01,760
it's just whatever they can make with
your little um coffee pod machine. And

1669
02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:05,039
like being like I just saw that. I love going to a place that

1670
02:05:05,159 --> 02:05:10,359
it feels way more like a place
that belongs to the community than like a

1671
02:05:10,439 --> 02:05:14,880
place that belongs to a company,
and everything they show like reflects that and

1672
02:05:15,079 --> 02:05:18,800
everything around it. It's um kind
of wedge between like some local restaurants and

1673
02:05:19,159 --> 02:05:24,079
like am what is it called that
swap meat? Like one of those like

1674
02:05:24,359 --> 02:05:29,439
large stores where you have like twelve
boosts, but they're all like local people

1675
02:05:29,479 --> 02:05:31,960
who are like, oh, I
sell my jewelry here. Oh my gosh,

1676
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:35,720
I wish I could remember the name
of this type of store. But

1677
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:39,800
it's a way it could be any
vendor. So it's essentially like a market.

1678
02:05:41,159 --> 02:05:44,319
Yes, yeah, like um,
like it's so it's like you go

1679
02:05:44,479 --> 02:05:46,640
inside and they're like people have their
booths. Oh my gosh, I'm sure

1680
02:05:46,640 --> 02:05:49,880
I'm driving somebody crazy right now.
Um and yeah they have like you have

1681
02:05:50,039 --> 02:05:53,840
your boosts. And there's only like
one person actually working there, so not

1682
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:55,800
everybody has to work at the same
time. And it's like, oh,

1683
02:05:55,880 --> 02:05:58,119
I want to buy the same from
the shirt from this booth, and like

1684
02:05:58,159 --> 02:06:00,840
a record from this booth and you
pay for it. Oh my gosh,

1685
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:03,920
why am I sounds like we're discussing
a market. It sounds like a flea

1686
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:08,920
market, but you're saying it's does
this Oh yeah I think oh yeah,

1687
02:06:09,079 --> 02:06:14,960
I think I think flea market.
Yeah yeah, yeah, Um gotta be

1688
02:06:15,039 --> 02:06:21,239
anyway, nice community anyway. Um, hey, guess what. My laptop

1689
02:06:21,319 --> 02:06:25,119
battery is about to die, so
I think it might be the end of

1690
02:06:25,159 --> 02:06:32,279
the show. Okay, how close
are you. Let's let's live as dangerously

1691
02:06:32,319 --> 02:06:36,840
as you want. Last thing I'll
say, I hope stop making sense the

1692
02:06:36,920 --> 02:06:41,760
Angelica Theater on Houston. I love
going to That's like an old school kind

1693
02:06:41,800 --> 02:06:44,439
of run down kind of. Yeah. You can hear the subway. You

1694
02:06:44,479 --> 02:06:48,159
can feel the subway would be next
to it, I guess kind of when

1695
02:06:48,199 --> 02:06:51,279
you're here in the Yeah, I
love it. It's like a shotgun theater.

1696
02:06:51,760 --> 02:06:57,119
It's like it's like it's six rows
wide, but like deep yep.

1697
02:06:57,720 --> 02:07:00,920
Um but yeah anyway, Chris Plant, that was Darien from Toronto who wrote

1698
02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:02,840
it, And thank you Darian first
Plan, thank you, thank you for

1699
02:07:02,960 --> 02:07:06,039
joining. Where can people see your
other work? For those who don't know,

1700
02:07:08,079 --> 02:07:12,600
I work, Canna play a place
called polygon dot com and um it

1701
02:07:13,119 --> 02:07:24,119
sucks us is so bad? Um
and um yeah, I have a podcast

1702
02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:28,800
called The Besties, which is we
know what I would describe it as compared

1703
02:07:28,840 --> 02:07:34,159
to this show shorter. Yeah,
that's that's about its description. Yeah.

1704
02:07:34,199 --> 02:07:39,279
No, I love the length of
this show. Um I it is a

1705
02:07:39,359 --> 02:07:43,920
show for increasingly, it feels like, um, people who don't play a

1706
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:46,920
lot of video games but are curious
about them. Um, or people who

1707
02:07:46,960 --> 02:07:53,359
are over the age of like thirty
thirty five and are like, hey,

1708
02:07:53,920 --> 02:07:58,960
I is this worth my time?
I have limited time it's it's we've been

1709
02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:01,560
doing the show for like eleven years
now. It's wild. You've had a

1710
02:08:01,680 --> 02:08:07,760
long run. Yeah, truly bonkers
and and uh in like so many different

1711
02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:09,840
forms. We had a version of
it like one episode a year. We've

1712
02:08:09,880 --> 02:08:13,520
had versions that we're one episode a
month. Now we're weekly, um,

1713
02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:18,399
which is how we started. And
uh, yeah, I think it's good.

1714
02:08:18,520 --> 02:08:22,600
I think it's pretty chill. I
like it. It's so funny.

1715
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:26,600
It's like one of the best shows
to recommend. And um, when you

1716
02:08:26,760 --> 02:08:31,239
do the besties Game of the Year
discussions and you put them in brackets and

1717
02:08:31,399 --> 02:08:37,800
make people decide between like Zelda and
like another really good game and everyone loses

1718
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:43,479
their fucking minds because nobody can possibly
pick one. It's really vile. It's

1719
02:08:43,520 --> 02:08:46,720
a very fun time. So yeah, it's a it's a great show.

1720
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:50,520
Thanks for being our guesties. Yeah, thank yous for me. Mary and

1721
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:54,840
I are good. I figured that
happened all the time to you. People

1722
02:08:54,880 --> 02:09:01,319
say that all the time. No, I've never heard, guest I've never

1723
02:09:01,479 --> 02:09:05,680
heard it. But it's so good. Wait wait wait wait where can where

1724
02:09:05,720 --> 02:09:09,880
can I watch? Can you watch? Is actually on the fire Escape YouTube

1725
02:09:09,960 --> 02:09:11,800
channel. It's for free. You
don't have to be a patriot anything.

1726
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:15,039
But it's on our YouTube channel,
So if you want to keep up,

1727
02:09:15,119 --> 02:09:18,279
go over there, um where our
second episode might be up by the time

1728
02:09:18,359 --> 02:09:22,720
this episode of fire Escape publishes.
Might Yeah, I'll put it up unless

1729
02:09:22,760 --> 02:09:26,319
we think we're gonna skip. I'll
try. I'll probably try and do an

1730
02:09:26,359 --> 02:09:28,119
episode a week so long as we
can record them. Cool. Yeah.

1731
02:09:28,920 --> 02:09:35,439
Um. Outside of that, go
get some Jedi Padawan author bio mousepads at

1732
02:09:35,479 --> 02:09:41,800
fireskate merch dot com to pon uh
go to our Patreon you can. You

1733
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:43,560
can get an ad free version of
the episodes. You can get the video

1734
02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:48,119
versions. Go check those out.
We play is gonna get in the way

1735
02:09:48,159 --> 02:09:52,199
of the guana with the daggers?
That says, what's the bottle? No,

1736
02:09:52,279 --> 02:09:54,840
we'll look into that. We'll talk
to fourth Wall. Okay, they

1737
02:09:54,920 --> 02:10:00,720
know, yeah, they know our
priorities. Yeah, but what this guy?

1738
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:03,359
What is on the back of the
shirt? By the way? Have

1739
02:10:03,479 --> 02:10:07,760
you are? You still figuring it
out? But there's like a little tub

1740
02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:11,159
of yogurt on the side, and
then it's kind of like a you know,

1741
02:10:11,479 --> 02:10:15,520
but we're not gonna explain it.
Yeah, dorky Christmas yogurt. But

1742
02:10:15,640 --> 02:10:18,359
on the other side, Um,
Chris, thank you for joining us.

1743
02:10:18,399 --> 02:10:22,159
We appreciate it. Thank you for
having me. I'll see you all later.

1744
02:10:22,359 --> 02:10:24,560
Go listen to the best teams.
We'll see you next week, not

1745
02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:28,039
really two weeks from now, but
next episode. Bye bye,