And we are back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt
Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at The Federalist, and your experienced Shirpa on today's
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the premium version of our website as well. I'm joined today by our own
Joy Pullman, executive editor of The Federalist, Happy Wife, Happy Mom,
and author of a compelling new book, False Flag, Why Queer Politics Mean
the End of America. Thanks for being here, Joy, This is this
is quite an accomplishment you put together here. Oh that's very kind of you,
Matt. And boy, that's quite the intro. You have such a
great radio voice. I'm sure you've heard that before, but I'm getting you
know the full treatment right now, and I wow, I wish I could
say the same, but there's nothing I can do to help what my mama
gave me. Well, Joy, I can tell you that I've been told
many times I also have a face for radio. So if that that's any
consideration in the conversation. But this book is extraordinary. It really points to
what is at the center of I think the degradation of America that is going
on right now. And this is a big money interest. This is not
this is not something that just happened. This is you know, a generation
plus designed you write that, you know, as you know, pride used
to be a sin. Now it is the flag of our occupation. In
this book, Joy Pollman shows how radical ideologues and sexual revolutionaries captured local school
boards, major corporations, the Democratic Party, and the federal government. That's
a wide swath of everything that is impacting our society. Where did this all
begin? And how much money are we talking about in all of this?
Well, it's a lot of money, you know. I have a couple
of lists of the all the entities you know, backing basically the destruction of
the family and people psychological understanding of their own identities, you know, destroying
and displacing the natural origin of that in the family. You know. So
I actually go in this book and I draw on, you know, the
research by a number of scholars to tie the rise of identitied politics, not
just to the nineteen sixties, but all the way back to the early progressives,
Woodrow Wilson, FDR. You know, on all of their you know,
a so called brain trust to actually a lot of whom we're actual communists
and a lot of fellow travelers there. So, you know, I just
found it really interesting. I'm a graduate of Hillsdale College. A number of
the scholars that I'm drawing on our Hillsdale College professors, and so it was
very interesting to me to see that to pull together all the threads from also,
you know, folks such as Claremont Institute scholars were we here. You
know, a lot of people I think separate these so, you know,
the culture war, from the natural law arguments, from the you know law,
the society, the economics arguments, and I have always thought that those
are all completely integrated. There is no separating the two. So in the
book, I do go through document and show, you know, using the
work of these scholars, how the origin of group rights really was Communist,
early progressive in origin. It was a displacement of the natural law founders conception
of the human as having individual rights that are are granted by God and that
government only can choose to acknowledge or not to acknowledge, and if it doesn't
acknowledge them, it is a tyrannical government. So we've been living, you
know, obviously through a period in which we've really had kind of two systems
of government. We've had, you know, the remnants of the old system
of government, the things that the people are broadly speaking on the right love
our Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the federalist papers, you know,
the the old conception of human beings as having fixed identities and fixed human natures
male and female. You know, obviously there's a lot of creativity within those
broad designs. But you know, generally speaking, we all know that men
and women are distinct. They are different, We are different, and those
differences absolutely mean something. And there's not been a lot of talk about the
Founder's natural law philosophy as it does apply to family life and marriage and sexuality.
And I think partly just because that was it's been understood throughout human history
until ten minutes ago, essentially speaking right really until I mean, I also
go through you know, the antecedents of the LGBT, the queer ideology in
the feminist movement, and so on and so forth, and I mean,
if you want, we can talk about particular aspects of that, but you
know, that's really work for a book, and so you know, that's
why there's chapters. That's why there's a book giving all these things in detail,
with quotes to back it up and so forth. So that's kind of
I would say, the first half of the book and then the second half
that I go in to talk about. You know, I guess I'm showing
the backstory between. You know, why the sort of pride the rainbow explosion
that really happened, I think with especially the inauguration of Donald Trump, as
so many other things came about just were revealed in the era we're in which
he was being political, so people kind of got surprised by that. You
know, it came around right after the tenure of Barack Obama, and people,
really, I don't think we're prepared for the onslaught that we now.
I mean, I don't know about you, but you know during June you
almost can't go anywhere without seeing rainbow, this rainbow that you know, and
for me, it's almost like having pornography slapped in my face everywhere I go.
And it was not you know, I was alive more than ten years
ago. I was alive in the Obama years and the Bush years and so
forth. It was not like that. So people think and you know,
and feel like it's something brand new, And it's sure. The audacity,
the openness, the brazenness, the all of that is absolutely new, but
it's been a long time coming. And my book goes through how that is
the case, all the things that laid the foundation for it, and why,
you know, the sexual politics really are the foundation for a regime change
inside the United States. You just talked about it before, and I think
this is at the core of our understanding of this and what you are reporting
here, and that is the idea that God is central to this, that
this country was founded on natural rights. Those natural rights do not come from
a government, They do not come from an LGBTQ advocacy group, they do
not come from Marxists, they do not come from a ttalitarian king. They
come from God. They are the natural rights that we have. But what
happens in a country where God is no longer central to that? And I
think that is central to your book as well. Oh it is, and
I mean I found I mean, there's so many things that pull into this.
And you know, so it was quite a process to organize and tie
in all of these threads into one package. But speaking for myself, I
think I did a pretty good job of that, so, you know,
and I have essentially the penultimate chapter actually talks about the explicit connections that queer
theorists leading you know, figures in the movement, designers and so forth,
artists, creative artists, singers and so forth. They make very open and
explicit connections between their rejection of natural sexuality and the rejection of God. They
go so far as to and I have multitudes of quotes of this, you
know, in the book, because you know, Lucifer really isn't something that
people you know, typic again almost like the rainbow stuff. You know,
Satanism hasn't really been super at the forefront of the public conscious, you know,
not something that we talk about on a daily basis. But you know,
surprisingly shockingly we see, you know, and again I quote this give
examples, I think, you know, very robust proof that people who are
foundational to the queer movement, many of them, of course not all,
actually do see a connection between their rejection of their nature and their rejection of
the God who creates that nature, and some of them go so far as
to worship Satan in their art, and also you know, you know,
through the Satanic Temple, which essentially, according to people, part of it
is largely a queer you know, filled organization. And so again, I
mean, obviously, I'm sure all of your listeners aware not every person who
identifies as LGBT, you know, is a Satan worshiper. But I think
it's very interesting that, you know, in in a society in which,
for example, Christians have been so repressed and really stopped from talking about the
spiritual aspect of life, you know, we also see some of that coming
back. You know, for example, Jordan Peterson's wife converting to Christianity.
You know, there's a number of other you know, writers doing the same
thing right now. So you know, I on herc Lee. So that's
absolutely circulating. But you know, but besides those kinds of points of light
and that interesting dialogue happening there, Christians really haven't been given the platform to
talk about spiritual issues in in explicit as terms as you know, even as
as queer people even have, right, which is just so fascinating, So
I have a chapter on that in the book, talking about how actually queer
theorists who are of this mindset are they themselves actually express essentially a Christian worldview.
Now they ally themselves with the enemy of the Christian god, Lucifer.
You know, these these folks who express that. But it's just curious how,
in attempting to reject, you know, the male and female differences that
you know, Christians say, God, you know, built into the world
that all of us can observe with our own two eyes, no matter what
our religion is, In openly rejecting that through transsexuality and as well through you
know, feminism as well through a homosexuality, queer theorists are basically saying,
we also reject the God who created that natural order, and we see our
sexual activity as part of that rebellion. So they ally themselves with Satan openly.
So wow, I mean. So, I'm I'm an English major,
you know, I'm sometimes you know, I'm a book reviewer for the Federalists.
Often I read a lot, you know, have done a lot of
you know, hobbyists you know, in art. So I have a lot
of interest in and practiced in looking at imagery and symbolism, and so it's
it's so that chapter, to me is such a thing I don't think a
lot of people would expect, but it's it's really there, and it's fascinating
to look at the imagery and the symbolism that's going on related to the queer
movement, and I think it would shock a lot of people to see that
documented. Indeed, you mentioned that this goes way back historically speaking. I
mean, you can see the roots of it with Woodrow Wilson and his massive
expansion of the federal government. And while he may not have been of the
same ideology as the queer movement in America, certainly that foundation of government in
everyone's life, I think laid laid the fundamentals for this movement, and of
course it progressed through FDR, the massive expansion of government once again Lyndon Baines
Johnson in the nineteen sixties, and then of course you had the nineteen sixties
sexual revolution that was going on, and you see definitely the antecedents there.
But I guess my question is how did this movement, which was really in
the shadows for a long time, become so powerful and who is complicit in
making this movement so powerful in America. Well, that's a great question,
and I think so. The I think the antecedent for both of those things,
the so called economic progressive and the social progressivism, actually is in the
rejection of truth, and that is at the root of progressives living constitution,
which they derived from Darwinian you know, the idea that we all evolved and
we came from the mud. So there is therefore no fixed truth, there
is no god, you know, there is no reality. We can become
the people who direct evolution. That's the core original, you know, progressive
impulse, and it continues today. And so that impulse the idea that there
is no truth, there is no god. We essentially are the gods,
and we become the gods by you know, attempting to control all of reality.
That is the through line that connects economic progressivism past and present to the
sexual Revolution, because the sexual revolution just takes that philosophy and applies it to
male and female relationships. They say it doesn't matter that I mean, and
I like to beach Pg. Thirteen. I'm a mother of children, So
let's just say it doesn't matter that there are only two parts on a man
and a woman that only fit together properly, and only together they can make
a child. Right, it doesn't matter that that's the only way to procreate.
And then men and women are obviously designed for them to come together and
create new life in only one fashion, and that you know, two men
and two women cannot fit together in the same way, and they also,
as of course, cannot procreate. You know. So the sexual Revolution says,
it doesn't matter that women have ovaries and uteruses, and they have breasts,
and they nurse babies. They just state babies, and that is a
process that doesn't just end when the baby comes out of the birth canal.
You know that the baby and the mother have this deep biological connection that for
the child's physical and emotional sanity and health for his entire life, needs to
be deeply connected to that mother long term, much longer than birth. You
know, they say, let's spray, essentially raid on women's wombs. Let's
neuter them and push them to act like men, get out in the workplace,
be you know, competitive, strip their hormones out of their bodies and
deny their natures and essentially, and we'll call that empowering women to erase what
makes them women, you know, and demand that they behave like men in
every aspect of life and get out there, provide for themselves and be a
boss girl. Up that testosterone, up that adrenaline. Right. So,
the connection, you know, is exactly the same between the economic and the
social progressivism, and it's a false division to divide the two. They're both
based on a rejection of objective truth. See that in the biological reality you
know, related to the sexual issues, and also in the objective truth you
know, more philosophically, that the older progressives laid the foundation for the sexual
revolution by rejecting the stability of human nature and therefore the need for restraint on
government and the and and to limit government, because a government is made out
of people who are always going to act like people if they're you know,
if it's possible for them to hide, lie, cheat, steal and do
that without any public accountability, we're going to do that because that's part of
human nature. And so all of these things are absolutely tied together, and
it is false to divide them from each other. And that's how you know,
someone who you know upheld motherhood, such as Woodrow Wilson did such as
Franklin Roosevelt did. That's how people who you know, who seem to support
the family, lay the foundation for absolutely destroying our society by erasing what is
you know, the ecosystem that's required for the family to be a haven and
and help for the social developed of children through the connection between husband and wife
that creates a good environment for the children to become citizens who are self governing.
You cannot be a self governing citizen if you grew up in a home
of chaos. And so there is absolutely no barrier between economic policy and social
policy. They are one and the same. Everything is interconnected, and it's
absolutely false to divide the two, and it really drives home the point.
You really hammer this home in your book. But I've been talking about this,
and I know you have, and others at the Federalist and those who
spend a good deal of time thinking about these important issues. We've been talking
about the war on truth and the war on reality, and that really is
what the left is engaged in right now. And they have bent reality so
much, or at least forced or tried to force society this country to believe
in their life false believes, to believe in their false realities. And that's
one thing if it's your opinion. But when you have the government regulating this,
now, that's an entirely different issue. We're talking with Joy Pullman of
The Federalist, Executive editor of The Federalist, her new very compelling book,
False Flag. Why Queer Politics Mean the End of America. Put this on
your summer reading list. Very as I said, very compelling stuff. So,
Joy, the interesting part of where all of this has gone and where
it is going is, again, as I mentioned, the government now controlling
this narrative or attempting to, and corporate America getting involved. When did corporate
America get involved and why did corporate America get so involved in pushing this narrative?
So I think I have a lot of interesting things about that in the
book because I went back in research and I found social scientists who were commenting
on the fact that even before the Reagan era, you know, I go
into the nineteen sixty five Civil Rights Act and so that you know, it
is kind of the source of, for example, the title I'm pausing here
because I know this isn't one hundred percent precise. I know that the title
nine, for example, you know was added later the Education Amendments of nineteen
seventy two, but in the in any so, the nineteen sixty five Civil
Rights Act that governs employment, it essentially put, you know, created the
bureaucracy that is the spearhead for the entire basically sexual revolution bureaucracy. And so
I went back and have research in my book showing the fact that immediately as
soon as that law went into place, it was implemented by the bureaucracies that
it created in such a way is to contradict the very text of that law
and the intent by the members of Congress who founded it. You know.
So for example, we had members of Congress saying, you know, we're
protecting sex. Sex is where we has been shoehorned into now by the Biden
administration to include gender identity. So it used kind of the feminist provisions in
federal law to shoehorn into it the homosexual the transsexual gender provisions now, you
know, without ever passing Congress. Anything that relates to feminist law now includes
all of queer law under the Biden administration's interpretations and enforcement. But the research
I have in the book shows that immediately as soon as that law went in
place. Even though members of Congress promised the public and the text of the
law it self says, you know, you cannot use this law to discriminate,
it was immediately used to discriminate. It was weaponized by stop me if
you've ever heard this before, listeners, right by a bunch of you know,
wacko idiologue bureau who were popular. You know, we're filling these agencies
at the time to essentially become this entire apparatus of undermining Americans actual constitutional rights
using this law and these identity politics provisions. So, for example, immediately
the law was used to force governments and employers to hire people on the basis
of race, even though the law specifically prohibits that, and members of Congress
said, you know, we will not allow that racist behavior to happen as
a result of this law didn't happen, and it was a media it was
it didn't even take time. Administrative law judges and the whole bureaucracy swung into
place and made this a full identity politics law back in the nineteen sixties and
seventies immediately, right, so, you know, the documentation shows that federal
government employers were forced to hire women, you know, based on their sex
as opposed to their actual qualifications, blatantly unconstitutional, blatantly against our natural rights
to, among other things, free association. You know. So we have
sexism, racism, and all the other of the identity politics baked into these
so called civil rights laws. So, you know, and so I quote
a number of things people can I found reading the research on this super interesting
because you know, until this point, I was really unaware of how long
ago all of these things had been embedded into our laws. You know,
I was under the impression that I think a lot of people have been you
know, that the identity politics stuff just kind of ran, you know,
popped onto the scene, exploded in the past ten twenty, maybe thirty years,
since the nineties or whatever the case is. But no, you know,
it's it's been baked into the cake and so and so once you have
you know, these sorts of things into place. I quote a political scientist,
Rob Robert Detliffson, who did a lot of work on this in a
number of papers, and I want to see the eighties and nineties during the
Reagan era. You know, he shows how big businesses knew right away that
these sorts of rules were anti competitive. They could use them against their smaller
competitors to get them out again, you know, people who are free marketers.
This is an old, old story, right. Everyone is a where
that big businesses are in cahoots with the bureaucracy. They have that revolving door.
You know, if you work in the bureaucracy and you are favorable to
the big corporations, you get out, you get a sweetheart job, you
know, making six times as much money, and then et cetera, etcetera.
You know, then you dive back into the bureaucracy maybe later, and
you move up a couple posts doing the same thing. So we've had that
ratchet effect going on in our government and our big businesses since the nineteen seventies,
and so it's no surprise that now the corporations are all in because all
of this racism, sexism, and now anti heterosexual sorts of law is has
been forced on corporations. So you know that employee fifteen to more people from
the very beginning, and there's all of these you know, extra judicial I
call them star tribunals, administrative law courts where you know, if you have
a beef with a federal agency. Your day in court. You know,
it'll take you possibly millions of dollars to get before a real judge, and
you know, to get there, you've got to go through all these stacked
courts where it's it's it's kind of like a skit out of I think it's
what what's that British show. It's like, yes, yes, Prime minister.
You know there's there's that skit where you know, the guy goes into
the office and says, this isn't outrage I want to speak to you know,
I'm going to appeal your decision to the bureaucracy. He goes, you
know, to the judge, and the judge of the same guy as the
bureaucrat with the wig on, you know kind of thing. So that I
mean, that's that's what people Americans have to go through it Monty Python,
Okay, okay, I thought I saw, Yes, minister, you know
kind of take on that as well. But the point being, the system
is rigged. It's been rigged for a long time. It's racist, sexist
KKK, yes, that's you know, it's it's a joke, but barely
you know, I think it's pretty racist a kk Yeah, right, and
so you know, and and and so it's it's been a very long time
in coming, even though Americans have been kind of surprised by it, because
these sorts of things take a lin long time to bill. But the after
obviously, I'm getting a little heated here, so I'll take a break.
But I think the part of the conclusion of that, you know, is
that actually these policies can be reversed, you know, they are not unbreakable.
But you know what, we know, we have a really limp risted
Congress. We don't have we have congressmen who want to get up there and
be posture for the TV and not actually past legislation and impost penalties on the
other side and strong arm them, you know. So we're stuck with this
crap unless you know, again, also not very likely, unless we get
some judges, you know, who're a dwindling number, who maybe sometimes stand
up to this stuff, because it's all it's all actually contrary to the Constitution
and to the written text of the federal laws authorizing it. But that's never
mattered to these folks, you know, for seventy years, it's never mattered
to them. Now, your passion and your intellectual rigor is what makes your
your book so good, and this is the latest example of it. The
book by Joey Pullman is False Flag. Why Queer politics mean the End of
America. We're going to talk about that last part in just a moment,
and what is being done to face this situation had on if that is indeed
the case. But before we get there, I have to know in what
you have researched, what you have uncovered in this book, how did we
get from point A, which was the movement of equality in America, to
point B, which is this Marxist equity notion where that sort of equity idea
involves mutilating children on behalf of this agenda, where it involves racism from other
forms and you know, attacks on heterosexuals in America perfectly allowable, perfectly acceptable
under this particular movement. How did how did we get here? Well,
I mean a lot of things happening at a lot of times, I will
say. And one of my other kind of private reading hobbies is look into
the history of communism in the United States. And so it's been super interesting
to me to notice that the tactics that communists use are very similar to the
tactics that identity politics people use. And that's actually no, that's not a
coincidence. A number of the people formulating the theories for culture what we call
cultural Marxism, which is another name for identity politics, which is just another
number of the people formulating these theories. You know, they will be names
familiar to our listeners. I think Antonio Gramsey, the uh Mark, marcusa.
And then you know there's a couple I go after in in the book
another you know, a number of theorists who are actual pedophiles Fuco for example,
and pedophile actually you know, raped Arab children, and he is a
major you know, postmodernist philosopher who hero Hero I mean, so I don't
know about you, but in my book, anyone who is a pedophile needs
to be hanged, is you know, after an actually just trial. Right,
Absolutely, no one should be acting like this guy's theories his his you
know, because I do believe that people's ideas and their actions are linked.
You know, if you have someone who I mean, there's a lot of
people in this in this world who are not you know, I don't know
what you know, they're they're not Einstein, right, I'm in that number.
There's a lot of people who aren't you know, going to be top
shelf philosophers. But you know what, basically all of them are not pedophiles,
right exactly. So I think if someone is a pedophile, like they
just get they just get written out of history forever. We should never remember
his name. But he's one of the leading influencers on the people, you
know, running queer theories. And I mean, I think that he tells
you a lot that is bizarre to me that people would hold such a human
being up as unimpeachable And how do you make that argument? You know,
Wow, what a great Marxist theorist he was. Did he have a few
downsides as a human being? Was he a pedophile? Surely that's the true
of a lot of these marks. Yes, what I was going to say,
you know, Karl Marx home wrecker, you know, abandon his children.
That's common if you read you know, the book recent book by Carrie
Gress. I think it's called the End of Woman. And you know,
so I also cite that in my book. She you know, talks about
the home lives. A lot of these feminists who are the antecedents you know,
to the gender theorists of today, you know, they don't have happy
home lives. And I think people psychic distress that is created and amplified by
family dysfunction. Absolutely, and I have you know, chapter two about this
in the book. There's a connection between that personal psychological distress and the theories
that these people promote, you know, So again, I mean, I'm
just thinking, if you want to have a happy life, you shouldn't beget
your theories from people who have wildly unhappy, totally messed up lives. Shaving.
That's a basic, pretty obvious, you know kind of I think.
So do you think I think it is? And you know what I think,
you know, we we've talked about this for a long time. Why
are liberals? Why our leftist so unhappy? And I think you just you
put your finger on it. I think there's a root to it because the
people that they're following were miserable human beings in many cases, and they created
misery all around them. Running out of time, But I did want to
get to the solution in your book, you know, the solutions that you
lay out as you note, this is the only country we have. It
is it is for two hundred and fifty years nearly. It's it is worth
the saving. As Abraham Lincoln said, it is our last best hope.
It is, and it is our last best hope because I believe because of
our moral base, our base in natural rights created gifted by God, and
not some government and not some movement. But we are seeing a pushback,
parents and people getting involved in their local school boards because that's where a lot
of these decisions are being made. A lot of the things that are taken
out in terms of the leftist lgbt Q plus plus movement are taking place at
the local level. The national stuff seems to get all the attention, but
it's at the local level you see people fighting back. Is it enough?
Is it too late? Joy? I mean, I don't have a crystal
ball. I don't know the answer to that question. That is a question
for God. I don't, you know, I don't I think all of
us should, you know, fight and have and lead the most exemplary warrior,
you know, life that we can regardless of what the outcome will be,
and the outcome, you know, is truly in the hands of providence,
you know, but just for our own and integrity, you know,
we all should be doing whatever we can in our own spheres, and that
can range from if you are a mother of small children, be closely connected
to them, you know, make sure that they have that secure base in
your home, that your home is a haven, a place of peace,
of welcome to people. Practice those skills of befriending people and having conversations with
people. A lot of people in our in our country are lonely, alienated,
distressed and despairing. And so if you, you know, live a
life that is peaceful, that you have something to offer to the weary and
distressed, that is absolutely something that our country needs more of. I think
the number one thing that's most important that everyone can do in our individual lives
is not spend so much time solely on ourselves and not and I also you
and I and I and I. Obviously there's limits to that, right.
So I am a mother of six young children. I have to spend a
lot of time on my children in order to be uphold my duties as a
mother. So you know, so everybody, you know, if you have
duties, your duties to your family, I think go for God. You
know, your duties to God come first, Your duties to your family or
next. But you know, most people, at least some point in their
life are not in the place in which their duties to God and their family
completely consume all of their waking hours. So you know, I frankly think
if you're spending you know, three to five hours or plus a week consuming
visual media, can you give some of that up to make a difference in
your community? And again, I do think it makes a difference to be
available to your neighbors, to talk to them, you know, to be
joining organizations where kids who maybe their dad is divorced, you know they're they're
with single mom. You know, they may need other Everyone needs other adults
in their life that they can connect with who show up, you know,
maybe they're their carpool you know friend, or you know they are you know,
taking their kids to their travel, soccer games or whatever. You know.
But if you have I mean everyone who who is watching you know,
any number of If you have three plus hours of screen time a week,
entertainment time, you have three plus hours, you know that you could be
devoting to more fruitful pursuits. And I don't mean that you everyone needs rest
in their lives, but you know, vegging really isn't that RESTful and productive.
I would recommend you take of gardening or walking, you know, all
those are activities you can do it with other people inform those relationships. So
number one, all of us, I think, need to get better at
relationships as well as coming out of always seeking to make our own comfort more
and better and only looking at ourselves and what our family wants to do.
I mean, one of the things I see, really, you know,
there's a lot of things that take Families commit to too many activities so that
all their nights and their weekends, you know, outside of work in school,
are completely booked up, but they have zero time to accommodate anyone else
who may have a need in their life. If that's you, you need
to rethink that. You know, that's not that's not a way to be
a host and a haven for someone who has a need, who has a
depressive episode, you know who maybe they have, you know, a fight
in the home between the parents. They need a place for the mom toy
or for the kids to stay for a while, or just someone who will
listen to them, you know, like a teenager, you know, friend
whose parents are too busy, absorbed by themselves and no one will listen to
her or him, you know, So having some margin in our lives I
think is important. And I think if you are not in those all consuming
you know, younger kid years, that margin that expands could be devoted to
I really think people should start with local politics. I'm with Jesse Kelly on
this. You know, local primaries fifteen to twenty five, maybe thirty percent
of you know, Republican voters show up for their primaries. If you typically
you can tip the margin with a couple hundred votes for you know, whatever
you candidate you want locally in those primaries. You know, and if you're
a Republican voter and you don't show up to those primaries, that will take
you half an hour once a year, like just get off your behind and
show off for that, educate yourself on those candidates. Take another hour to
go to a forum and listen or listen to like, you know, some
YouTube interview that some of the candidates did, or send you a couple of
questions to their email address, you know, the school board guy, the
local city council, you know, and and start and develop, you know,
maybe fifteen twenty friends who can do that, with you who if you
find a really good candidate, you'll knock on doors for them. That I
mean, we if you look at Congress and see that as a big giant
mess and you hate it, which I think you know, based on their
nine percent approval rating, almost everyone in this country does, except for the
lobbyists. If that's you, you know, you have to realize their farm
team is your city council, is your state representative, and most you know,
state representatives, most state legislators, even at the run robby Republicans,
they don't do a really great job. They're like maybe C level you know,
people acting there. If you could get a B level person or a
heck an A level person into those jobs, you will have, you know,
gradually raised the temperature. I mean, these critical times that really need
to have people in those positions. So maybe you're someone who needs to run
for office. Maybe you're a B level A level person. You have some
skills you know from your professional life that you could apply to politics. You
know, politics tends to attract bottom feeders. Don't be one of them.
Maybe get into it, you know, run for something local and do a
really good job at that. And anyone with common sense by the way that
isn't engaged in war on reality. You will make a wonderful candidate to help
lead the way back. And that's really what this is all about. Final
question for you on this front as it relates to your book, and again
it's a tremendous book, False Flag. Why queer politics mean the end of
America? How much of the queer movement in America will play a part?
Is playing a part in this twenty twenty four presidential election that is obviously so
vital to the health of the republic. It's absolutely playing a big part because
actually Democrats believe that America stands for pride identity politics. You know, that's
actually I use the Pride flag as my emblem of basically showing the divided loyalties
when Democrats talk about when they have those signs in their yard, their catechism,
you know, about how they support women, they believe all women,
you know, they believe love is love. All the rest of that lines
I saw in there is support the Constitution, but they don't mean the real
constitution. They don't mean the og Constitution, they mean identity politics. They
mean the progressives living constitution that erases Americans' rights. And by the way,
I have a section in my book about how you know this isn't good for
queer people. It erases all the natural rights for queer people. You know,
you would you would think any any queer person, they want their freedom
to speak, they want the freedom to live in peace, you know,
to be able to have self defense. You know, all the other bill
items in the Bill of Rights, you know, they belong equally to queer
people under the system of government that are Founders envisioned, which did not you
know, go after people in their homes. The Founders didn't do that.
I talk about that in the book. But the bottom you know, in
the presidential politics, it's very you know, the Democrats strategy is patching together
all of these disparate identity groups that are really at war with each other.
But what they do is unite them around hatred for America and what America has
always stood for and has been built upon. And so that makes Christians their
foe, that makes constitution lovers their fax, that makes families their foe.
So they basically want to destroy everyone's happiness by by you know, just ginning
up everybody's grievances. So all of us who want to live in a happy
society where people can live at peace with each other, despite you know,
different views about all kinds of things. They should be supporting the American Constitution
and promoting into politics that that lead to our common good and to our peace,
and that includes peace and and the lack of being at war with your
own nature. And people should frankly, you know, if they they are
at war with their nature, that's a private problem. It shouldn't be a
political one. But taking those private problems, taking those psychological distresses, and
I have a whole section about how literally a democratic party ideology maps onto a
number of psychological things that are were people's minds that are you know, classified
as disorders by psychologists. If if that's that's how Democrats win, as they
divide and conquer, and so identity politics, you know, identity groups,
the sexual identity groups are part of that coalition of the aggrieved, and they
are allowed to commit violence if it serves Democrats, and that doesn't serve the
peace or the common good of Americans. And that's absolutely a part of this
presidential election, and as well as that whole war on the bureaucracy. I
have another chapter about how the bureaucracy is an insurrection against the constitution, so
you see the weaponized Department of Justice FB and so forth. They use identity
politics as a wedge to shift their mission from defending the actual constitution to defending
the sham identity politics constitution. So when they say that word, you have
to understand that, like communists, they're lying to you. They hate the
real constitution, and what they mean by the constitution is identity politics, and
that's the banner that they fly under, and that's why they fly Pride flags
instead of American flags. And I think that's all very well put, and
it just comes back to the whole idea that a nation can hardly be sustainable
if it's people hate it. When you are so involved in the loathing of
your country, how do you continue your country, especially a nation that has
been so prosperous. And that's really what that self loathing, right, and
that's the whole queer ideology. I hate that I was a woman, I
hate that you know, I was born a man. You know, that's
that's that's the ideology, is self hatred and it you know, they it
projects out onto hatred of your own and your own country. This is all
very very poignant stuff. It's, as I said at the outset of our
conversation, a very compelling new book from Joy Pullman, executive editor of the
Federalists. The book is titled False Flag, Why Queer Politics Mean the End
of America. Find it on numerous places today, it's always regnery. You
can get it from Amazon, Barnes and Noble. I like to use book
I like to use bookshop dot org that you know searches your independent publishers.
You can it through there. And I would actually ask a special favor from
our Federalist listeners. Would you go to your local library and ask requests that
they purchase a copy. Yeah, because people on the left, they you
know, all the libraries purchase all of their books immediately. It's a huge
kickback from libraries to leftist authors. I need your help to get your libraries
to purchase my book other conservative books. Anytime you hear about a book on
the Federalist Radio Hour, including this one, please put in a purchase order
at your local library and ask them to get it for everyone in your community.
Excellent point of course, if the local drag queen comes in and starts
pushing the book that the drag Queen has written. Then you know they're first
to grab those in a lot of libraries, woke libraries around the country.
Let's get some common sense books in there, Joys is just that. Thank
you so much, Joy for joining me today. I really appreciate it.
Great conversation, great thoughts. Well, Thanks so much Matt for hosting me
and for the conversation. You bet you've been listening to another edition of The
Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior correspondent of The Federalist. We'll
be back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious
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