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And we are back with another edition
of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt

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Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at The
Federalist, and your experienced Shirpa on today's

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well. I'm joined today by our own

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Joy Pullman, executive editor of The
Federalist, Happy Wife, Happy Mom,

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and author of a compelling new book, False Flag, Why Queer Politics Mean

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the End of America. Thanks for
being here, Joy, This is this

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is quite an accomplishment you put together
here. Oh that's very kind of you,

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Matt. And boy, that's quite
the intro. You have such a

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great radio voice. I'm sure you've
heard that before, but I'm getting you

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know the full treatment right now,
and I wow, I wish I could

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say the same, but there's nothing
I can do to help what my mama

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gave me. Well, Joy,
I can tell you that I've been told

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many times I also have a face
for radio. So if that that's any

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consideration in the conversation. But this
book is extraordinary. It really points to

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what is at the center of I
think the degradation of America that is going

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on right now. And this is
a big money interest. This is not

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this is not something that just happened. This is you know, a generation

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plus designed you write that, you
know, as you know, pride used

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to be a sin. Now it
is the flag of our occupation. In

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this book, Joy Pollman shows how
radical ideologues and sexual revolutionaries captured local school

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boards, major corporations, the Democratic
Party, and the federal government. That's

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a wide swath of everything that is
impacting our society. Where did this all

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begin? And how much money are
we talking about in all of this?

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Well, it's a lot of money, you know. I have a couple

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of lists of the all the entities
you know, backing basically the destruction of

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the family and people psychological understanding of
their own identities, you know, destroying

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and displacing the natural origin of that
in the family. You know. So

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I actually go in this book and
I draw on, you know, the

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research by a number of scholars to
tie the rise of identitied politics, not

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just to the nineteen sixties, but
all the way back to the early progressives,

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Woodrow Wilson, FDR. You know, on all of their you know,

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a so called brain trust to actually
a lot of whom we're actual communists

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and a lot of fellow travelers there. So, you know, I just

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found it really interesting. I'm a
graduate of Hillsdale College. A number of

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the scholars that I'm drawing on our
Hillsdale College professors, and so it was

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very interesting to me to see that
to pull together all the threads from also,

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you know, folks such as Claremont
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know, a lot of people I
think separate these so, you know,

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the culture war, from the natural
law arguments, from the you know law,

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the society, the economics arguments,
and I have always thought that those

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are all completely integrated. There is
no separating the two. So in the

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book, I do go through document
and show, you know, using the

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work of these scholars, how the
origin of group rights really was Communist,

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early progressive in origin. It was
a displacement of the natural law founders conception

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of the human as having individual rights
that are are granted by God and that

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government only can choose to acknowledge or
not to acknowledge, and if it doesn't

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acknowledge them, it is a tyrannical
government. So we've been living, you

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know, obviously through a period in
which we've really had kind of two systems

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of government. We've had, you
know, the remnants of the old system

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of government, the things that the
people are broadly speaking on the right love

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our Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the federalist papers, you know,

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the the old conception of human beings
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male and female. You know,
obviously there's a lot of creativity within those

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broad designs. But you know,
generally speaking, we all know that men

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and women are distinct. They are
different, We are different, and those

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differences absolutely mean something. And there's
not been a lot of talk about the

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Founder's natural law philosophy as it does
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And I think partly just because that
was it's been understood throughout human history

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until ten minutes ago, essentially speaking
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go through you know, the antecedents
of the LGBT, the queer ideology in

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the feminist movement, and so on
and so forth, and I mean,

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if you want, we can talk
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know, that's really work for a
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why there's chapters. That's why there's
a book giving all these things in detail,

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with quotes to back it up and
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that I go in to talk about. You know, I guess I'm showing

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the backstory between. You know,
why the sort of pride the rainbow explosion

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that really happened, I think with
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so many other things came about just
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he was being political, so people
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know, it came around right after
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really, I don't think we're prepared
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I mean, I don't know about
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almost can't go anywhere without seeing rainbow, this rainbow that you know, and

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for me, it's almost like having
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ago. I was alive in the
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forth. It was not like that. So people think and you know,

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and feel like it's something brand new, And it's sure. The audacity,

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the openness, the brazenness, the
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it's been a long time coming.
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the case, all the things that
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you know, the sexual politics really
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inside the United States. You just
talked about it before, and I think

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this is at the core of our
understanding of this and what you are reporting

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here, and that is the idea
that God is central to this, that

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this country was founded on natural rights. Those natural rights do not come from

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a government, They do not come
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not come from Marxists, they do
not come from a ttalitarian king. They

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come from God. They are the
natural rights that we have. But what

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happens in a country where God is
no longer central to that? And I

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think that is central to your book
as well. Oh it is, and

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I mean I found I mean,
there's so many things that pull into this.

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And you know, so it was
quite a process to organize and tie

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in all of these threads into one
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think I did a pretty good job
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and I have essentially the penultimate chapter
actually talks about the explicit connections that queer

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theorists leading you know, figures in
the movement, designers and so forth,

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artists, creative artists, singers and
so forth. They make very open and

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explicit connections between their rejection of natural
sexuality and the rejection of God. They

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go so far as to and I
have multitudes of quotes of this, you

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know, in the book, because
you know, Lucifer really isn't something that

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people you know, typic again almost
like the rainbow stuff. You know,

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Satanism hasn't really been super at the
forefront of the public conscious, you know,

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not something that we talk about on
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surprisingly shockingly we see, you know, and again I quote this give

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examples, I think, you know, very robust proof that people who are

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foundational to the queer movement, many
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actually do see a connection between their
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the God who creates that nature,
and some of them go so far as

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to worship Satan in their art,
and also you know, you know,

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through the Satanic Temple, which essentially, according to people, part of it

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is largely a queer you know,
filled organization. And so again, I

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mean, obviously, I'm sure all
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identifies as LGBT, you know,
is a Satan worshiper. But I think

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it's very interesting that, you know, in in a society in which,

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for example, Christians have been so
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spiritual aspect of life, you know, we also see some of that coming

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back. You know, for example, Jordan Peterson's wife converting to Christianity.

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You know, there's a number of
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thing right now. So you know, I on herc Lee. So that's

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absolutely circulating. But you know,
but besides those kinds of points of light

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and that interesting dialogue happening there,
Christians really haven't been given the platform to

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talk about spiritual issues in in explicit
as terms as you know, even as

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as queer people even have, right, which is just so fascinating, So

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I have a chapter on that in
the book, talking about how actually queer

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theorists who are of this mindset are
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Now they ally themselves with the enemy
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You know, these these folks who
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in attempting to reject, you know, the male and female differences that

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you know, Christians say, God, you know, built into the world

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that all of us can observe with
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our religion is, In openly rejecting
that through transsexuality and as well through you

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know, feminism as well through a
homosexuality, queer theorists are basically saying,

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we also reject the God who created
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sexual activity as part of that rebellion. So they ally themselves with Satan openly.

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So wow, I mean. So, I'm I'm an English major,

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you know, I'm sometimes you know, I'm a book reviewer for the Federalists.

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Often I read a lot, you
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you know, hobbyists you know,
in art. So I have a lot

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of interest in and practiced in looking
at imagery and symbolism, and so it's

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it's so that chapter, to me
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lot of people would expect, but
it's it's really there, and it's fascinating

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to look at the imagery and the
symbolism that's going on related to the queer

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movement, and I think it would
shock a lot of people to see that

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documented. Indeed, you mentioned that
this goes way back historically speaking. I

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mean, you can see the roots
of it with Woodrow Wilson and his massive

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expansion of the federal government. And
while he may not have been of the

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same ideology as the queer movement in
America, certainly that foundation of government in

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everyone's life, I think laid laid
the fundamentals for this movement, and of

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course it progressed through FDR, the
massive expansion of government once again Lyndon Baines

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Johnson in the nineteen sixties, and
then of course you had the nineteen sixties

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sexual revolution that was going on,
and you see definitely the antecedents there.

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But I guess my question is how
did this movement, which was really in

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the shadows for a long time,
become so powerful and who is complicit in

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making this movement so powerful in America. Well, that's a great question,

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and I think so. The I
think the antecedent for both of those things,

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the so called economic progressive and the
social progressivism, actually is in the

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rejection of truth, and that is
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which they derived from Darwinian you know, the idea that we all evolved and

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we came from the mud. So
there is therefore no fixed truth, there

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is no god, you know,
there is no reality. We can become

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the people who direct evolution. That's
the core original, you know, progressive

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impulse, and it continues today.
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is no truth, there is no
god. We essentially are the gods,

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and we become the gods by you
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That is the through line that connects
economic progressivism past and present to the

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sexual Revolution, because the sexual revolution
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male and female relationships. They say
it doesn't matter that I mean, and

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I like to beach Pg. Thirteen. I'm a mother of children, So

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let's just say it doesn't matter that
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and a woman that only fit together
properly, and only together they can make

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a child. Right, it doesn't
matter that that's the only way to procreate.

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create new life in only one fashion, and that you know, two men

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and two women cannot fit together in
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as of course, cannot procreate.
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it doesn't matter that women have ovaries
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and they nurse babies. They just
state babies, and that is a

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process that doesn't just end when the
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You know that the baby and the
mother have this deep biological connection that for

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the child's physical and emotional sanity and
health for his entire life, needs to

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be deeply connected to that mother long
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know, they say, let's spray, essentially raid on women's wombs. Let's

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neuter them and push them to act
like men, get out in the workplace,

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be you know, competitive, strip
their hormones out of their bodies and

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deny their natures and essentially, and
we'll call that empowering women to erase what

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makes them women, you know,
and demand that they behave like men in

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every aspect of life and get out
there, provide for themselves and be a

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boss girl. Up that testosterone,
up that adrenaline. Right. So,

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the connection, you know, is
exactly the same between the economic and the

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social progressivism, and it's a false
division to divide the two. They're both

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based on a rejection of objective truth. See that in the biological reality you

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know, related to the sexual issues, and also in the objective truth you

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know, more philosophically, that the
older progressives laid the foundation for the sexual

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revolution by rejecting the stability of human
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government and the and and to limit
government, because a government is made out

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of people who are always going to
act like people if they're you know,

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if it's possible for them to hide, lie, cheat, steal and do

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that without any public accountability, we're
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human nature. And so all of
these things are absolutely tied together, and

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it is false to divide them from
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someone who you know upheld motherhood,
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Franklin Roosevelt did. That's how people
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the family, lay the foundation for
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you know, the ecosystem that's required
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and help for the social developed of
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that creates a good environment for the
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of chaos. And so there is
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policy. They are one and the
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absolutely false to divide the two,
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You really hammer this home in your
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and I know you have, and
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spend a good deal of time thinking
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about the war on truth and the
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what the left is engaged in right
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much, or at least forced or
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in their life false believes, to
believe in their false realities. And that's

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one thing if it's your opinion.
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now, that's an entirely different issue. We're talking with Joy Pullman of

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The Federalist, Executive editor of The
Federalist, her new very compelling book,

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False Flag. Why Queer Politics Mean
the End of America. Put this on

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your summer reading list. Very as
I said, very compelling stuff. So,

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Joy, the interesting part of where
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it is going is, again,
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this narrative or attempting to, and
corporate America getting involved. When did corporate

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America get involved and why did corporate
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book because I went back in research
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on the fact that even before the
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into the nineteen sixty five Civil Rights
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is kind of the source of,
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because I know this isn't one hundred
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nine, for example, you know
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seventy two, but in the in
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Rights Act that governs employment, it
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bureaucracy that is the spearhead for the
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it created in such a way is
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and the intent by the members of
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protecting sex. Sex is where we
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administration to include gender identity. So
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federal law to shoehorn into it the
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know, without ever passing Congress.
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all of queer law under the Biden
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law it self says, you know, you cannot use this law to discriminate,

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it was immediately used to discriminate.
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you've ever heard this before, listeners, right by a bunch of you know,

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wacko idiologue bureau who were popular.
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at the time to essentially become this
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using this law and these identity politics
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the law was used to force governments
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of race, even though the law
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said, you know, we will
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a result of this law didn't happen, and it was a media it was

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it didn't even take time. Administrative
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seventies immediately, right, so,
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government employers were forced to hire women, you know, based on their sex

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as opposed to their actual qualifications,
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to, among other things, free
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sexism, racism, and all the
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so called civil rights laws. So, you know, and so I quote

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a number of things people can I
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ago all of these things had been
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since the nineties or whatever the case
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it's it's been baked into the cake
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you know, these sorts of things
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number of papers, and I want
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Reagan era. You know, he
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these sorts of rules were anti competitive. They could use them against their smaller

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competitors to get them out again,
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that big businesses are in cahoots with
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the big corporations, you get out, you get a sweetheart job, you

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know, making six times as much
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you move up a couple posts doing
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ratchet effect going on in our government
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and so it's no surprise that now
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of this racism, sexism, and
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been forced on corporations. So you
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the very beginning, and there's all
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call them star tribunals, administrative law
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a beef with a federal agency.
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it'll take you possibly millions of dollars
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you know, to get there,
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courts where it's it's it's kind of
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what what's that British show. It's
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the office and says, this isn't
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I'm going to appeal your decision to
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know, to the judge, and
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bureaucrat with the wig on, you
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mean, that's that's what people Americans
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kind of take on that as well. But the point being, the system

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is rigged. It's been rigged for
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KKK, yes, that's you know, it's it's a joke, but barely

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you know, I think it's pretty
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so you know, and and and
so it's it's been a very long time

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in coming, even though Americans have
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these sorts of things take a lin
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obviously, I'm getting a little heated
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that actually these policies can be reversed, you know, they are not unbreakable.

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Congress. We don't have we have
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be posture for the TV and not
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other side and strong arm them,
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crap unless you know, again,
also not very likely, unless we get

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some judges, you know, who're
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up to this stuff, because it's
all it's all actually contrary to the Constitution

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and to the written text of the
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mattered to these folks, you know, for seventy years, it's never mattered

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to them. Now, your passion
and your intellectual rigor is what makes your

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your book so good, and this
is the latest example of it. The

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book by Joey Pullman is False Flag. Why Queer politics mean the End of

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America. We're going to talk about
that last part in just a moment,

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and what is being done to face
this situation had on if that is indeed

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the case. But before we get
there, I have to know in what

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you have researched, what you have
uncovered in this book, how did we

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get from point A, which was
the movement of equality in America, to

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point B, which is this Marxist
equity notion where that sort of equity idea

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involves mutilating children on behalf of this
agenda, where it involves racism from other

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forms and you know, attacks on
heterosexuals in America perfectly allowable, perfectly acceptable

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under this particular movement. How did
how did we get here? Well,

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I mean a lot of things happening
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say. And one of my other
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the history of communism in the United
States. And so it's been super interesting

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to me to notice that the tactics
that communists use are very similar to the

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tactics that identity politics people use.
And that's actually no, that's not a

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coincidence. A number of the people
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cultural Marxism, which is another name
for identity politics, which is just another

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number of the people formulating these theories. You know, they will be names

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familiar to our listeners. I think
Antonio Gramsey, the uh Mark, marcusa.

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another you know, a number of
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and pedophile actually you know, raped
Arab children, and he is a

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major you know, postmodernist philosopher who
hero Hero I mean, so I don't

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know about you, but in my
book, anyone who is a pedophile needs

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to be hanged, is you know, after an actually just trial. Right,

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Absolutely, no one should be acting
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know, because I do believe that
people's ideas and their actions are linked.

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You know, if you have someone
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people in this in this world who
are not you know, I don't know

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what you know, they're they're not
Einstein, right, I'm in that number.

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There's a lot of people who aren't
you know, going to be top

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shelf philosophers. But you know what, basically all of them are not pedophiles,

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right exactly. So I think if
someone is a pedophile, like they

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just get they just get written out
of history forever. We should never remember

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his name. But he's one of
the leading influencers on the people, you

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know, running queer theories. And
I mean, I think that he tells

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you a lot that is bizarre to
me that people would hold such a human

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being up as unimpeachable And how do
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Wow, what a great Marxist theorist
he was. Did he have a few

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downsides as a human being? Was
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of a lot of these marks.
Yes, what I was going to say,

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you know, Karl Marx home wrecker, you know, abandon his children.

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That's common if you read you know, the book recent book by Carrie

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Gress. I think it's called the
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so I also cite that in my
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the home lives. A lot of
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to the gender theorists of today,
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home lives. And I think people
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family dysfunction. Absolutely, and I
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in the book. There's a connection
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that these people promote, you know, So again, I mean, I'm

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just thinking, if you want to
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your theories from people who have wildly
unhappy, totally messed up lives. Shaving.

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That's a basic, pretty obvious,
you know kind of I think.

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So do you think I think it
is? And you know what I think,

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you know, we we've talked about
this for a long time. Why

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are liberals? Why our leftist so
unhappy? And I think you just you

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put your finger on it. I
think there's a root to it because the

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people that they're following were miserable human
beings in many cases, and they created

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misery all around them. Running out
of time, But I did want to

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get to the solution in your book, you know, the solutions that you

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lay out as you note, this
is the only country we have. It

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is it is for two hundred and
fifty years nearly. It's it is worth

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the saving. As Abraham Lincoln said, it is our last best hope.

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It is, and it is our
last best hope because I believe because of

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our moral base, our base in
natural rights created gifted by God, and

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not some government and not some movement. But we are seeing a pushback,

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parents and people getting involved in their
local school boards because that's where a lot

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of these decisions are being made.
A lot of the things that are taken

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out in terms of the leftist lgbt
Q plus plus movement are taking place at

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the local level. The national stuff
seems to get all the attention, but

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it's at the local level you see
people fighting back. Is it enough?

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Is it too late? Joy?
I mean, I don't have a crystal

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ball. I don't know the answer
to that question. That is a question

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for God. I don't, you
know, I don't I think all of

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us should, you know, fight
and have and lead the most exemplary warrior,

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you know, life that we can
regardless of what the outcome will be,

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and the outcome, you know,
is truly in the hands of providence,

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you know, but just for our
own and integrity, you know,

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we all should be doing whatever we
can in our own spheres, and that

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can range from if you are a
mother of small children, be closely connected

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to them, you know, make
sure that they have that secure base in

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your home, that your home is
a haven, a place of peace,

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of welcome to people. Practice those
skills of befriending people and having conversations with

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people. A lot of people in
our in our country are lonely, alienated,

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distressed and despairing. And so if
you, you know, live a

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life that is peaceful, that you
have something to offer to the weary and

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distressed, that is absolutely something that
our country needs more of. I think

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the number one thing that's most important
that everyone can do in our individual lives

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is not spend so much time solely
on ourselves and not and I also you

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and I and I and I.
Obviously there's limits to that, right.

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So I am a mother of six
young children. I have to spend a

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lot of time on my children in
order to be uphold my duties as a

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mother. So you know, so
everybody, you know, if you have

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duties, your duties to your family, I think go for God. You

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know, your duties to God come
first, Your duties to your family or

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next. But you know, most
people, at least some point in their

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life are not in the place in
which their duties to God and their family

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completely consume all of their waking hours. So you know, I frankly think

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if you're spending you know, three
to five hours or plus a week consuming

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visual media, can you give some
of that up to make a difference in

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your community? And again, I
do think it makes a difference to be

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available to your neighbors, to talk
to them, you know, to be

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joining organizations where kids who maybe their
dad is divorced, you know they're they're

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with single mom. You know,
they may need other Everyone needs other adults

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in their life that they can connect
with who show up, you know,

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maybe they're their carpool you know friend, or you know they are you know,

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taking their kids to their travel,
soccer games or whatever. You know.

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But if you have I mean everyone
who who is watching you know,

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any number of If you have three
plus hours of screen time a week,

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entertainment time, you have three plus
hours, you know that you could be

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devoting to more fruitful pursuits. And
I don't mean that you everyone needs rest

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in their lives, but you know, vegging really isn't that RESTful and productive.

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I would recommend you take of gardening
or walking, you know, all

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those are activities you can do it
with other people inform those relationships. So

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number one, all of us,
I think, need to get better at

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relationships as well as coming out of
always seeking to make our own comfort more

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and better and only looking at ourselves
and what our family wants to do.

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I mean, one of the things
I see, really, you know,

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there's a lot of things that take
Families commit to too many activities so that

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all their nights and their weekends,
you know, outside of work in school,

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are completely booked up, but they
have zero time to accommodate anyone else

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who may have a need in their
life. If that's you, you need

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to rethink that. You know,
that's not that's not a way to be

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a host and a haven for someone
who has a need, who has a

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depressive episode, you know who maybe
they have, you know, a fight

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in the home between the parents.
They need a place for the mom toy

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or for the kids to stay for
a while, or just someone who will

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listen to them, you know,
like a teenager, you know, friend

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whose parents are too busy, absorbed
by themselves and no one will listen to

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her or him, you know,
So having some margin in our lives I

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think is important. And I think
if you are not in those all consuming

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you know, younger kid years,
that margin that expands could be devoted to

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I really think people should start with
local politics. I'm with Jesse Kelly on

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this. You know, local primaries
fifteen to twenty five, maybe thirty percent

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of you know, Republican voters show
up for their primaries. If you typically

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you can tip the margin with a
couple hundred votes for you know, whatever

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you candidate you want locally in those
primaries. You know, and if you're

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a Republican voter and you don't show
up to those primaries, that will take

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you half an hour once a year, like just get off your behind and

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show off for that, educate yourself
on those candidates. Take another hour to

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go to a forum and listen or
listen to like, you know, some

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YouTube interview that some of the candidates
did, or send you a couple of

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questions to their email address, you
know, the school board guy, the

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local city council, you know,
and and start and develop, you know,

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maybe fifteen twenty friends who can do
that, with you who if you

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find a really good candidate, you'll
knock on doors for them. That I

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mean, we if you look at
Congress and see that as a big giant

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mess and you hate it, which
I think you know, based on their

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nine percent approval rating, almost everyone
in this country does, except for the

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lobbyists. If that's you, you
know, you have to realize their farm

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team is your city council, is
your state representative, and most you know,

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state representatives, most state legislators,
even at the run robby Republicans,

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they don't do a really great job. They're like maybe C level you know,

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people acting there. If you could
get a B level person or a

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heck an A level person into those
jobs, you will have, you know,

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gradually raised the temperature. I mean, these critical times that really need

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to have people in those positions.
So maybe you're someone who needs to run

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for office. Maybe you're a B
level A level person. You have some

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skills you know from your professional life
that you could apply to politics. You

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know, politics tends to attract bottom
feeders. Don't be one of them.

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Maybe get into it, you know, run for something local and do a

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really good job at that. And
anyone with common sense by the way that

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isn't engaged in war on reality.
You will make a wonderful candidate to help

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lead the way back. And that's
really what this is all about. Final

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question for you on this front as
it relates to your book, and again

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it's a tremendous book, False Flag. Why queer politics mean the end of

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America? How much of the queer
movement in America will play a part?

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Is playing a part in this twenty
twenty four presidential election that is obviously so

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vital to the health of the republic. It's absolutely playing a big part because

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actually Democrats believe that America stands for
pride identity politics. You know, that's

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actually I use the Pride flag as
my emblem of basically showing the divided loyalties

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when Democrats talk about when they have
those signs in their yard, their catechism,

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you know, about how they support
women, they believe all women,

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you know, they believe love is
love. All the rest of that lines

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I saw in there is support the
Constitution, but they don't mean the real

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constitution. They don't mean the og
Constitution, they mean identity politics. They

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mean the progressives living constitution that erases
Americans' rights. And by the way,

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I have a section in my book
about how you know this isn't good for

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queer people. It erases all the
natural rights for queer people. You know,

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you would you would think any any
queer person, they want their freedom

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to speak, they want the freedom
to live in peace, you know,

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to be able to have self defense. You know, all the other bill

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items in the Bill of Rights,
you know, they belong equally to queer

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people under the system of government that
are Founders envisioned, which did not you

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know, go after people in their
homes. The Founders didn't do that.

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I talk about that in the book. But the bottom you know, in

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the presidential politics, it's very you
know, the Democrats strategy is patching together

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all of these disparate identity groups that
are really at war with each other.

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But what they do is unite them
around hatred for America and what America has

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always stood for and has been built
upon. And so that makes Christians their

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foe, that makes constitution lovers their
fax, that makes families their foe.

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So they basically want to destroy everyone's
happiness by by you know, just ginning

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up everybody's grievances. So all of
us who want to live in a happy

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society where people can live at peace
with each other, despite you know,

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different views about all kinds of things. They should be supporting the American Constitution

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and promoting into politics that that lead
to our common good and to our peace,

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and that includes peace and and the
lack of being at war with your

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own nature. And people should frankly, you know, if they they are

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at war with their nature, that's
a private problem. It shouldn't be a

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political one. But taking those private
problems, taking those psychological distresses, and

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I have a whole section about how
literally a democratic party ideology maps onto a

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number of psychological things that are were
people's minds that are you know, classified

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as disorders by psychologists. If if
that's that's how Democrats win, as they

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divide and conquer, and so identity
politics, you know, identity groups,

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the sexual identity groups are part of
that coalition of the aggrieved, and they

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00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,880
are allowed to commit violence if it
serves Democrats, and that doesn't serve the

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peace or the common good of Americans. And that's absolutely a part of this

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presidential election, and as well as
that whole war on the bureaucracy. I

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have another chapter about how the bureaucracy
is an insurrection against the constitution, so

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you see the weaponized Department of Justice
FB and so forth. They use identity

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politics as a wedge to shift their
mission from defending the actual constitution to defending

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the sham identity politics constitution. So
when they say that word, you have

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to understand that, like communists,
they're lying to you. They hate the

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real constitution, and what they mean
by the constitution is identity politics, and

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that's the banner that they fly under, and that's why they fly Pride flags

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instead of American flags. And I
think that's all very well put, and

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it just comes back to the whole
idea that a nation can hardly be sustainable

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if it's people hate it. When
you are so involved in the loathing of

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your country, how do you continue
your country, especially a nation that has

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been so prosperous. And that's really
what that self loathing, right, and

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that's the whole queer ideology. I
hate that I was a woman, I

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hate that you know, I was
born a man. You know, that's

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that's that's the ideology, is self
hatred and it you know, they it

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00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:28,760
projects out onto hatred of your own
and your own country. This is all

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very very poignant stuff. It's,
as I said at the outset of our

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conversation, a very compelling new book
from Joy Pullman, executive editor of the

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Federalists. The book is titled False
Flag, Why Queer Politics Mean the End

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of America. Find it on numerous
places today, it's always regnery. You

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00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,559
can get it from Amazon, Barnes
and Noble. I like to use book

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00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,760
I like to use bookshop dot org
that you know searches your independent publishers.

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You can it through there. And
I would actually ask a special favor from

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00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,639
our Federalist listeners. Would you go
to your local library and ask requests that

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they purchase a copy. Yeah,
because people on the left, they you

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00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,199
know, all the libraries purchase all
of their books immediately. It's a huge

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00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,800
kickback from libraries to leftist authors.
I need your help to get your libraries

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to purchase my book other conservative books. Anytime you hear about a book on

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the Federalist Radio Hour, including this
one, please put in a purchase order

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00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:29,119
at your local library and ask them
to get it for everyone in your community.

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00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,599
Excellent point of course, if the
local drag queen comes in and starts

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00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:38,119
pushing the book that the drag Queen
has written. Then you know they're first

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to grab those in a lot of
libraries, woke libraries around the country.

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Let's get some common sense books in
there, Joys is just that. Thank

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you so much, Joy for joining
me today. I really appreciate it.

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Great conversation, great thoughts. Well, Thanks so much Matt for hosting me

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and for the conversation. You bet
you've been listening to another edition of The

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Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior correspondent of The Federalist. We'll

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be back soon with more. Until
then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious

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for the friend. You got me
right, well, you