WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:04.519 We were heading out to California. We basically like took six months off and 2 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:08.599 traveled all over national parks, meeting my buddy and we were just camping out 3 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:12.039 like the entire time. There was a few strange things that happened. There 4 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:14.720 was a few strange things that happened. We get out to Death Valley. 5 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:18.399 I don't know if you're familiar with like the Panamin Mountains out in Death Valley. 6 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:23.280 Supposedly that's where they found these like giants and some caves out there. 7 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:26.320 There's like a bunch of caves out there, and there's you know, there's 8 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:30.440 all kinds of stories about the giants that they found there, very remote and 9 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:33.479 accessible, and so I was camping out in Panama Valley, like it was 10 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:36.200 my favorite place out there. So I had camped out there bunch. But 11 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:43.119 this particular night, like heard this crazy like gorilla sound way from way up 12 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:47.240 in the mountains. It was just like kind of thing, but it was 13 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:51.759 like so loud. The sound filled up the entire valley. It sounded like 14 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:54.079 maybe it could have been two people. But then I was like, wait, 15 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:56.920 that's going from like way up in those mountains. There's a little chance 16 00:00:56.920 --> 00:01:00.719 that anyone's up there doing that at like two in the morning. The scale 17 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:03.799 of that place is so massive, Like I don't even think if you were 18 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:07.680 a person with a normal lung capacity, you couldn't even inverberate like that. 19 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:10.680 And it went on for hours. I was like, damn, that's big 20 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:14.280 flock. It was strange. Never heard anything like that before or since. 21 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:15.799 But all I can just all I can say is it sounded like a gorilla, 22 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:59.200 like a stereotypical gorilla. I'd like to welcome Brian to Bigfoot Crossroads. 23 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:04.959 Brian emailed me a while back, a really interesting story. Brian, thanks 24 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:07.879 for coming on. Good to talk to you. Hey, thank you, 25 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:10.319 it's great to be here. Yeah, let's just get right into it if 26 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:14.680 you don't mind, like you did in the email, just walk us through 27 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:20.439 what happened, all right. So in the email, I was basically talking 28 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:25.520 about the Bigfoot stuff, but there's also some other likes. I don't know 29 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:29.159 if you would want to call it alien or just some other weird stuff that 30 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:32.560 happened. So I'll I'll keep the two separate, okay. Yeah, And 31 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:37.000 if we have time, I can go into the alien stuff. Oh we'll 32 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:43.439 make time, Okay. Cool, but yeah, so this all started, 33 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:53.599 well, I guess back in Maine. I was kind of at a crossroads 34 00:02:53.599 --> 00:03:00.400 in life, you might say pun intended, and was basically doing this job 35 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:04.159 on that or banks in North Carolina and decided I wanted to go up to 36 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:07.840 New England. Had some family up there, and just like figure out the 37 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:15.479 next move. So this was like the Winner of two thousand and five and 38 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:20.199 or like maybe you know Slash two thousand and six. Yeah, and it 39 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.439 up there and I'm like, what do I want to do, and I'm 40 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:28.759 like, maybe I'll just go study herbal medicine. That sounds fun. So 41 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:31.400 because I had kind of been into that for a while and I was like, 42 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:36.719 this was like right at the start of the Internet, and I guess 43 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:39.960 you know, around there. But I ended up finding this lady that does 44 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:46.439 herbal medicine out in rural Maine, and I was like, all right, 45 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.319 this looks cool, and my my aunt and uncle thought I was kind of 46 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:52.840 crazy, but I was like, I'm just going to go check this lady 47 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:59.319 out. And this was like April. Oh wait, this was March. 48 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.680 I think I stayed up there for a little while and then in March I 49 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:05.840 decided I was going to go over there, and so it's still like cold, 50 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:09.479 and you know, I didn't know what I was getting into, didn't 51 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:14.400 have a cell phone or I don't think she had answered her phone, and 52 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:18.160 so I just decided to just go out there. Ended up getting out there 53 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:24.680 late at night, and basically no one was there. It was just completely 54 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:29.920 dark, and I had had a hard time finding the place because we found 55 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:35.759 out later the snowplow had taken out the mailbox that winter. But uh so 56 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:41.759 I get there and I see a little fire pit, so I'm just like, 57 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:46.160 you know, start a fire, and I like playing some guitar by 58 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.319 the fire, and I don't know, it's probably like nine or ten o'clock 59 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:55.800 the night, maybe later, And right right like right when I start playing 60 00:04:55.800 --> 00:05:00.879 guitar, I hear this like ridiculous, crazy scream coming from the wood line 61 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:06.639 because there was like a big field and then the woodline was probably like I 62 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:11.199 don't know, quarter mile away and then it just goes off in the woods 63 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:15.360 for forever. And yeah, I heard this like crazy scream and it sounded 64 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:19.160 like how best I could put it is it sounded like a mechanical wolf. 65 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:25.160 Okay, yeah, it was. It was just like had this mechanical kind 66 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:29.759 of sound to it, but it was it sounded like a wolf howl and 67 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:34.319 but also like a scream. And I had never heard anything like that before, 68 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:40.839 like heard a bunch of coyotes in Vermont and you know, potentially some 69 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:45.120 other maybe like there's some wolves around there. I don't know, but I've 70 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.279 heard some, you know, all those animals, and this was nothing like 71 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:53.439 that. And you know there's like moose up there and stuff like that. 72 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:57.839 Definitely not that. And you haven't even like talked to the lady at this 73 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:02.920 point. You're just out there by yourself. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't 74 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:08.480 tell her I was coming. Uh yeah, So nobody was there and I 75 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:10.639 was just like, all right, well, I'm just gonna stay here. 76 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:16.360 And h apparently she had she goes to Italy for the winters and I didn't 77 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:20.279 know that, so nobody was gonna be around there for a while. And 78 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:24.680 yeah, so I don't know, man, I don't know what that was. 79 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:30.000 But I got freaked out and I just jumped in my van and stayed 80 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:33.639 there the rest of the night. It was freaky. It was a freaky. 81 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:40.439 Yeah, yeah, I would say, so just uh yeah, you're 82 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:45.959 brave. For just doing that to begin with. But then like stupid you 83 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.160 hear that and you don't really know where you are or anything, just by 84 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:55.439 yourself, Like all right, we're in it. Yeah, yeah, it's 85 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:58.720 getting real. Uh So yeah, I just go to sleep, and then 86 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:02.519 the next morning I was like going out to fix that mailbox. So I 87 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:06.680 found this old like cedar pole or whatever and put up the mailbox. And 88 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:10.639 then the neighbors come over and they're like, what are you doing over here? 89 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:13.079 And I was like, oh, I was just gonna meet this lady. 90 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:14.920 And they were like, yes, she's not coming back here for like 91 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:19.800 another month. So long story short, I ended up meeting this neighbor organic 92 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:25.360 dairy farmer, and he takes me kind of like under his wing and teaches 93 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:30.879 me all about like organic methods for treating cattle. And I was living on 94 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:33.439 a shed out on his land for like a month until she came back, 95 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:38.560 and that was really cool. And then when she came back, she accepted 96 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:45.079 me as a prentice for the year. And so this was about like maybe 97 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:50.759 April May when I when she came back and I moved over there and I 98 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:58.560 met this girl, Raach and we were we kind of became like fast friends, 99 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:03.480 and we started exploring all over the property looking for herbs. And I 100 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:07.920 had basically forgotten about the screen thing, like nothing happened out at Guy's dairy 101 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.920 farm or anything like that, and I would basically just like walk around at 102 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:18.600 night, like you know, with all the cows, and nothing else weird 103 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:24.600 happened. So but anyway, so we're we're walking around exploring that day, 104 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:28.439 probably like the next like the day after I got there or something, and 105 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:35.480 came out to the middle of nowhere and there was this big clearing out in 106 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:37.879 the woods, just like this big clearing, and right in the middle of 107 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:43.840 the clearing was this old stone circle, probably about like ten foot in diameter. 108 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:52.440 Yeah, kind of weird. Yeah, I don't think that the lady 109 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:54.960 knew about this. It wasn't like on her property. It was like off 110 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:00.600 her property, on this like this neighbor's property. And there wasn't any trails 111 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:03.480 to get out to this place. I mean, I don't know, you 112 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:05.879 know, maybe she was into some witchcraft stuff, or maybe this was like 113 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.120 a old pagan thing from the way before, or maybe it was like a 114 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:16.039 Native American thing. I have no idea, but I know that the stone 115 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:22.159 circles is a big thing and like the pagan culture, I guess, and 116 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.639 it's associated with like fairies and like you don't want to go into the fairy 117 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:31.039 ring kind of thing. And uh so, like we were just kind of 118 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.200 goofing off and like jumping around all in the all in the fairy ring, 119 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:37.559 I guess, he might say, and you know, not really thinking anything 120 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:46.639 of it. And then later that night, probably about dusk, we were 121 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:50.360 just hanging out in the herb house is what we called it. It was 122 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:56.519 like this old, dilapidated structure and basically I was like going to walk out 123 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:00.279 to my van to get some tobacco, and walking from the earth House of 124 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.519 my band, there's like no lights. I don't even think I had my 125 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.200 headlamp on. I don't even know if I had a headlamp. It was 126 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:11.919 just it wasn't super dark, but it wasn't. Yeah, I knew where. 127 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:13.399 There was like a big trail through the tall grass, so you could 128 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:18.240 you could get there pretty easily. And as I'm coming back from that, 129 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:24.279 there's like this thing. It was like it looked like a tree stump in 130 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:28.039 the trail or like right off to the side of the trail, and it 131 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.600 was I just like stopped and I was like, I remember that, that's 132 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:33.879 weird, and I'm just like stopping and looking at this thing. And then 133 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.159 right then it just like stands up and then it starts like hobbling over to 134 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:45.960 me, like really fast, like coming towards you. Yeah. Yeah, 135 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:52.080 I just definitely got the hair rising on my Yeah. They came right for 136 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.720 me. And the weird thing about it was well, I mean, if 137 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:01.120 that's not weird enough, it had like this like a limp and the lady, 138 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.399 the medicine lady, you know, she walked with a limp because she 139 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:09.639 had polio when she was a kid, and this same walk kind of like 140 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:16.000 how she was walking, but she didn't move like this bath and like she 141 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:18.039 wasn't. Yeah, so I don't think it was her like playing a joke 142 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:22.159 on She wasn't like that. But it was about her height and it walked 143 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:28.240 kind of like her. And my first impression was like, or after I 144 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:30.919 thought about a little bit, you know, I was like, damn, 145 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.440 it seemed like it was mimicking how she walked. Whatever that thing was. 146 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:39.879 Yeah, but of note, when it stood up, it just like stood 147 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:45.960 straight up from a crouch position like I've heard like big food do. It 148 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.039 just stood straight up, like it didn't use his hands or anything. It 149 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:52.200 just went like straight up. I mean, was it like covered in hair 150 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:58.039 and all that? So, yeah, it was like pretty dark, but 151 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:03.360 I kind of just I kind of just saw the outline of it, but 152 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:07.440 it was like completely black whatever it was, and it was like definitely like 153 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:13.279 covered in some hair or you know, I'll get into what else it could 154 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:16.840 have been in a second, but like, yeah, it was definitely covered 155 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:22.840 in some kind of hair. And yeah, unfortunately, like I was just 156 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:26.879 so shocked by it didn't happen so fast that I didn't really get a good 157 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:28.840 look at it because it was kind of you know, like I said, 158 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.320 it was pretty dark too, So I mean you said it was like coming 159 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:37.559 towards you, So like how close did it get? Did it eventually like 160 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:43.480 turn and run off or what happened? I turned and ran off? Okay? 161 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.679 No, it was like it seemed like okay, so when I first 162 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:52.759 saw it, it was probably like twenty feet away, huh. And then 163 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:58.559 when it when I turned to run off, it was like almost right next 164 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.279 to me. Wow, Like if I had if I hadn't moved, it 165 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.279 would have grabbed me or you know, pushed me. I don't know what 166 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.679 it was going to do, but it seemed like it was pissed off. 167 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:13.360 And I always thought it was because we were playing around in that fairy circle 168 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:18.440 and that was like the same day, Yeah, that was the same day. 169 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.039 Wow. And then when I came in and told her about it, 170 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:26.960 she'd like turned white as a ghost. And even today when I tell her 171 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:30.240 about that, like she does not want to talk about it. Really. 172 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:33.919 Yeah, so like whatever, I don't know if she saw something or whatever, 173 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:39.919 but it freaked her out, probably more than it freaked me out. 174 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:45.720 And I was pretty freaked out. But like we were camping outside, you 175 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:48.240 know, Like so maybe that's why she didn't want to talk about it, 176 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:52.279 because yeah, I don't know, but it was just weird. I don't 177 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:54.679 know what that was, but the way how it moved and how fast it 178 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.720 was, there was no way that it was that old lady. She had 179 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:03.559 to walk around with a cane, so anyone thinking that it was definitely not 180 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:09.200 that. So what else is gonna be help? I mean, yeah, 181 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.320 I mean it couldn't can't just say it wasn't a person, obviously, but 182 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.440 you know, it just I didn't get that vibe at all. I mean, 183 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.360 people usually talk to one another, they don't just like stand up and 184 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:26.440 start coming at you. It was almost like it was I saw it because 185 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:30.559 it was trying to crouch there, like maybe it was gonna ambush me or 186 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:33.200 whatever. But like, well, when it stood up and started running towards 187 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:37.759 me, it was like, oh, you saw me. So I don't 188 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:41.360 know, dude. And was it like on the trail itself, No, 189 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:45.720 it was, uh, it was kind of like in the grass off to 190 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:50.960 the side a little bit, but it was definitely like close to the trail. 191 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:54.639 It was definitely close to the trail, and it was definitely like facing 192 00:14:54.840 --> 00:15:01.879 the trail. Yeah, that's so weird, especially the way that you're describing 193 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.159 how it walked. You know, I whenever I was younger, I knew 194 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:11.080 some older adults that both had polio whenever they were younger, So I know 195 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:18.720 that walk that you're talking about. Yeah, and it is kind of almost 196 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:24.200 like I had to say, have a kind of like an orangutang walking on 197 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:30.399 two legs, kind of like that rocking side to side as they walk kind 198 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:33.480 of like that. Yeah, Yeah, that's so weird. Though, I 199 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:37.639 mean, did you experience any other strange things besides the scream and that while 200 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:43.879 you were there? Yeah, so I alluded to that that was going to 201 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.200 mention what else it could have been if it wasn't covered with fur. Yeah, 202 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:52.000 And so a couple of days later, we were having lunch out on 203 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:58.200 the porch and her partner, this cool old guy Jack, who has since 204 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.360 you know, he passed on a couple maybe like a year after this or 205 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:06.279 something. But we were just sitting there having lunch and he just like looks 206 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:10.600 up and then he just like looks back down and he's like, I just 207 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:15.399 saw Uh. I don't remember exactly what he said, but he's like, 208 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:22.159 he just saw like this black creature walking down this little trail like off close 209 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:27.759 to the woodline. And he said it was wearing a black skunk cape with 210 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:36.240 like a little pointy hat. And I'm like what because I hadn't told him 211 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.519 about I hadn't told I don't know why, but I didn't tell them about 212 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:44.600 seeing that thing a couple of days before. But yeah, he was like, 213 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:45.399 yeah, I saw that. And I was like, well, what 214 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.039 do you think that was? And he was like, I don't know. 215 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:53.799 So there's that. So I always called it the skunk gnome, and I 216 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:56.480 was thinking, like, well, maybe that was like a gnome or something, 217 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:02.440 because there's like no mythology up in that area, and they they're purported 218 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:07.240 to be like kind of you know, malevolent and protective of stuff. Yeah. 219 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.000 How how tall did he say? It was probably like four or five 220 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:18.000 feet maybe less than that, but it wasn't It was definitely like not an 221 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:23.039 average like a average person's eyes. It was short, and it was wearing 222 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:29.519 like a skunk pelt type cape. Yeah, he saw it walking away, 223 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:33.599 so he didn't see it from the front, but it was wearing long black 224 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:38.519 like cape or whatever, and it had like skunk stripes down the middle of 225 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:44.400 it and then like a black kind of like little pointy hat. That's just 226 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:48.319 so crazy, I mean, like, what is that? What do you 227 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.640 do with that? I mean, like, because you also found like the 228 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:56.480 big stone ring out in the woods, you know, Yeah, and then 229 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:04.200 you have your experience and then this guy who I think you Maybe I'm mistaken, 230 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:07.680 but it seems like in the email you were talking about kind of like 231 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:11.720 he's not the type that would just like come up with a crazy story like 232 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:17.519 this. Uh, no, I mean he was a little eccentric, yeah, 233 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:22.119 you know, but like he was like a really great guy, like 234 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:25.440 you know, he wasn't out there trying to fool people or just crazy as 235 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:29.079 Canadians like that. And it just like lined up so perfectly with what I 236 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:33.400 seen and the strange stuff that had been going on there that past couple of 237 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:37.440 days and even that month before there was that weird scream, And why would 238 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:38.440 he he didn't know any of that stuff, Like, why would he just 239 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:42.559 come up with that out of the blue. So in Oklahoma, I've definitely 240 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:48.759 heard, you know, stories about what the Native Americans called little people, 241 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:56.839 Yes, but I mean those are like nowhere near that size, right right. 242 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:00.400 Yeah, I've heard some California and stuff, and they're like real short, 243 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:04.680 like real little. I mean, I'm trying to think of anything, 244 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:11.240 uh in my rolodex of crazy information, and I can't. I don't. 245 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:15.400 I've never heard about anything like that. I don't know what that was, 246 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:18.480 yeah, I mean, I like I said, I just think it. 247 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:22.440 I don't know what it was. Maybe it's two different things. Maybe it 248 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:26.160 was like, you know, maybe I saw like a bigfoot that one night. 249 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:32.400 Maybe I saw he saw the nome creature, but for some reason, 250 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:37.200 I kind of think the two are connected, and so like, apologies, 251 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:40.759 I know this is Bigfoot crossroads, but maybe this is anme story, but 252 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:47.200 I'm not really sure. No, the crossroads part means everything. If anybody 253 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:52.680 listening has any idea what that could have been, you know, shoot me 254 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:56.200 a message or an email or something, because I'd love to hear it, 255 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.920 because I mean, I've never i mean, wearing the animal skins and all 256 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:03.519 that. I just think there was something going on there, and I don't 257 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:08.880 know if it was you know, necessarily tied to it. But it's also 258 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:14.880 interesting where you were. You know. It's kind of like a medicine woman 259 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:21.960 basically, you know, right right, which you would think would be very 260 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:29.240 in tune with nature and the property and everything and things there might be more 261 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.200 willing to present themselves, if that makes sense. Yep. And also she 262 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.200 had like gardens full of like food and you know, herbs and stuff. 263 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:41.559 Yeah, but yeah, totally, and she's not there, you know, 264 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:45.000 for like half a year. Yeah, I mean it sounds like a perfect 265 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:51.799 place for them to come, people watch and all sorts of things. I 266 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:57.079 mean, geez, I don't even know what to do with it. Me 267 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:00.799 neither, and that'ud be interested if anyone has the information on that, because 268 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:04.599 you know, it's just been some I've always wandered about. Yeah, that's 269 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.119 kind of why I wanted to come on here, just to get it out 270 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:14.200 there. Would you mind talking about your adventures in California? Yeah? Man, 271 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:18.720 So that's right after this on my little timeline. So after that, 272 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.160 there was some other really weird stuff that happened in Maine, but that's more 273 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:30.440 on the alien segment. So so jumping to California, basically like spring two 274 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:36.519 thousand and eight or no, winter two thousand and eight. And I don't 275 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:38.279 know why I always travel in like March, but this was we left in 276 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:45.599 March and we were heading out to California, and we basically like took six 277 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:49.680 months off and and like just traveled all over national parks, me and my 278 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:56.720 buddy, and we were just camping out like the entire time, and it 279 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:02.839 was it was like the coolest, funnest trip ever. And but you know, 280 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:06.799 those a few strange things that happened. There was a few strange things 281 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:11.039 that happened, which reminds me I forgot to put something in my alien timeline 282 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:18.519 but uh but yeah, we get out to Death Valley and I don't know 283 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:23.039 if you're familiar with like the Panamin Mountains out in Death Valley, but supposedly 284 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:29.799 that's where they found these like giants and some caves out there. There's like 285 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:32.519 a bunch of caves out there, and there's you know, there's all kinds 286 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:37.559 of stories about the giants that they found there. Yeah, Panamint Mountains very 287 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:45.559 remote inaccessible, and uh so this is just a real quick story. You 288 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:48.799 know, you can edit it out if you want. But it was like 289 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:52.240 I was camping. I would drop my friend off, you would go camping 290 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:56.680 back like remote for like two weeks and I would just kind of bop around 291 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:00.119 in the car. And so I was camping on Panament Valley, like it 292 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:03.119 was my favorite place out there, and so I had camped out there a 293 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:11.799 bunch. But this particular night, like heard this crazy like guerrilla sound way 294 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:18.720 from way up in the mountains, and it was it was just like kind 295 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:25.640 of thing, but it was like so loud because it the sound filled up 296 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:32.839 the entire valley And at first thought it was like, oh, I'm not 297 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:36.079 even gonna say what I thought it was, but it sounded like maybe it 298 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:38.599 could have been two people. But then I was like, wait, that's 299 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:42.960 going from like way up in those mountains, and there's there's a little chance 300 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:48.240 that anyone's up there like doing that at like two in the morning. And 301 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:52.240 I don't even think if you the scale of that place is so massive, 302 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:56.039 Like I don't even think if you were a person with a normal lung capacity 303 00:23:56.079 --> 00:24:00.759 you could even verberate like that. So that was just a weird little thing. 304 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:07.079 Yeah, I mean, and this is in Death Valley. Yeah, 305 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:11.680 it was in Death Valley and it went on for hours and and yeah, 306 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:17.079 that was like I was like, damn, that's bigfoot. It was strange 307 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:21.960 and never heard anything like that before or since. But all I can just 308 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:26.079 all I can say is it sounded like a gorilla, like a stereotypical gorilla, 309 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:30.720 and completely different than the sound you heard in Maine. Oh, completely 310 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:37.839 different. The one in Maine was more like the alarm sound or what do 311 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:41.400 you call that, the siren call. Yeah, yeah, it was kind 312 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.599 of like that, but also like not quite like that. I've heard that 313 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.599 siren call out in California too. Okay, let's just get let's just jump 314 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:55.920 to that. So I was out and ended up on this farm in California, 315 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:03.640 Canvas farm, and my little brother graduated in like high school, like 316 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.640 two thousand and eight, I think. Yeah, so it was that summer, 317 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:12.119 and so I took off to go see his graduation, and like I 318 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:17.319 had the thing about flying, so I rode the greyhound bus across country to 319 00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:23.759 Virginia. Don't recommend that I didn't be a fun trip. Yeah, that's 320 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.039 a whole nother story. But it was like so late. I was so 321 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.400 late. I even I ended up missing his graduation because they're just like never 322 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:36.720 on time. And when I got back to California, I got dropped off 323 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:45.160 at like two am and reading and had to like hitchhike back to you know 324 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.160 where I was up in the near the trainy Alps. And then I had 325 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:53.839 to walk like ten or plus miles back to this remote place where we're at. 326 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.720 And it was actually the night when I was walking back of the two 327 00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:04.519 thousan eight lightning storms that caused the massive fires in two thousand and eight out 328 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:10.000 there, and it was like just hell on earth the whole summer, but 329 00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:15.119 this was the night when all the lightning was striking everywhere and it was intense, 330 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:19.160 like you're walking out in the back country and there's just like lightning going 331 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:23.759 off everywhere, but it you know, so there was just like unrest in 332 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.640 the air. There was just a bunch of unrest going on. And when 333 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:32.160 I get out to this this bit about the halfway marker of that walk, 334 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:40.160 there's like this huge ranch and like the elk some down there in my and 335 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:44.920 migrate down there all every winter, and there's just like herds of elk out 336 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:51.160 there. And so I'm walking through this giant, you know, far or 337 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:56.480 like ranch and all of a sudden, I hear that that that cirrin call. 338 00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.279 I hear that, and I'm like, hmmm, do they got a 339 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:06.640 you know, a siren? Is there like a fire from lightning or something? 340 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:08.839 That was my first thought, And I was like, they don't have 341 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:12.880 no siren, Like this is like this a remote ranch in the middle of 342 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.200 like northern California, like in the middle of nowhere, like And then I 343 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:22.720 heard it again and it was closer, and I was like, oh shit, 344 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:26.759 I know what that is. And instantly, right right when it dawned 345 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:32.440 on me what I was hearing, the entire herd of elk was was stampeding. 346 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:37.599 The entire herd of elk was stampeding. It was like I don't know, 347 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:42.720 a hundred of them, maybe less. Wow. And they were literally 348 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:48.319 coming right towards me. And there was like a barbed wire because I'm on 349 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:52.079 the road and the migration route is from the field back to these woods across 350 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.880 the road. And you would always see them jumping over the barber It's just 351 00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:57.960 like driving to town, you know, you always see the elk out there. 352 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:00.599 They're always like jumping over a fence. I always saw that so many 353 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:04.240 times. And this is like a five foot tall barbed wire fence and they 354 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:08.680 would just like jump over it like it was nothing, you know. And 355 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.759 but yeah, never had been in like an elk stampede before, so I 356 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:19.680 basically I basically just had to like curl in the feedable position and like pray 357 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:23.720 and these things were jump literally jumping over me. Wow. An elk are 358 00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:30.160 like freaking huge, man, huge, absolutely ridiculous like Ford expeditions, like 359 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:34.799 jumping over a fence. Yeah, and this was at like two o'clock in 360 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:41.279 the morning. You said, yeah, yeah, I mean that that would 361 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.359 have been terrifying. It was so dumb. I was like, why am 362 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:51.759 I here? And it was like right when I walked through was when that 363 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.640 alarm went off. And so it's whatever that was or whatever that was had 364 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.799 seen me. And I always thought that, you know, that's why they 365 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:04.920 were yelling, because they thought I was trying to like hunt some elk or 366 00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:08.680 something. And I was like, no, that's grew. That's an interesting 367 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:15.400 theory. I mean, elk, stampede, lightning storm, bigfoot, scirron 368 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:19.160 call, Yeah, that wouldn't. I mean, I'm just trying to put 369 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:25.640 myself in that position that would have been so crazy to experience. It was 370 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:27.720 crazy. And the crazy thing was the only thing I had for a light 371 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:32.119 was a old like a cheap not even a good but like a cheap lighter. 372 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.319 So I started lighting the lighter because it wasn't like raining at this point, 373 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.000 it was just it was like dry lightning, yeah, And I was 374 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:44.759 just lighting the lighter. I'm like, you know, you don't want any 375 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.440 of this, Like I just started running, man, and I just like 376 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.920 ran away from that whole situation. And just like right when I got back 377 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:57.519 in the woods, it all calmed back down, didn't have any more problems 378 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:03.160 and finished I walk and you know, passed out. Did you talk to 379 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.039 anybody about the calls or anything? Did you hear any like, did anybody 380 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.799 else experience anything from the cannabis farm or whatever? Oh no, that was 381 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:17.799 like five or six miles away. Uh yeah, I was like I had 382 00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:22.160 to walk from the highway back to the farm and so it was a it 383 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.319 was a good trek. Yeah. So this was like yeah, no, 384 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.720 no one no, never even really told anybody, but any bade it, 385 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.880 anybody about it. Just like I don't know, I'm like, what do 386 00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:41.599 you who's gonna believe that? You know, I mean, what are you 387 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.440 going to tell them? You know, like, hey I heard this, 388 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:52.920 Uh well a bigfoot? Yeah, I got to hurt elk stampede and then 389 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:56.400 uh and then so when I was out on that farm, I started having 390 00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.599 all these dreams. I started having all these dreams of Bigfoot. And it 391 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:04.920 was like one of the dreams was like I was in the middle of this 392 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.680 field and and my van was there, and they all started like coming circling 393 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:12.680 me, and I just like jumped up on the van and just like we 394 00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:18.079 were just looking at each other, and I just I don't know what that 395 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:23.839 was about, because like I had never had anything like that before. But 396 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.720 I just feel like now looking back, it was because I was starting to 397 00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:32.519 come into their territory and I was starting to like they were starting to notice 398 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:37.680 me. Maybe I don't know, but yeah, I don't know if they 399 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.400 were like if that was actually real or if it was just a fragment or 400 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.480 a you know, because of that experience, and I thought I had heard 401 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.359 bigfoot out there and in Death Alley and the thing in Main Maybe it was 402 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.519 just my mind doing tricks, or maybe it was something that was actually happening. 403 00:31:52.799 --> 00:32:00.640 But started having those experiences and then pretty much after that, I moved 404 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:05.880 up to this other farm. Well it was more of like a big property, 405 00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:09.599 and I turned it into my own little farm up there in the mountains. 406 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:16.559 And that's when the next thing happened up there. So this was like 407 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:23.319 a four hundred acre piece of property surrounded by nothing, just you know, 408 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:28.559 for miles miles and miles just nothing out there. But it was pretty close 409 00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:34.000 to the to the farm down there I had just come from, and we 410 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:38.720 were pretty much like me and this buddy I met up there. We were 411 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:43.160 starting our own little farm. And to get up there to this place where 412 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.960 you had sunlight, you had to go straight up this like ridiculous little foothill 413 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:52.440 and out back east we call at a mountain, but out there it was 414 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:57.599 just like a foothill and it was it was just like no rocks or anything, 415 00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:00.799 just like this big clay, you know, mountain kind of thing. 416 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:06.759 And so we were just going straight up this thing with the quad and basically 417 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.960 just like cut a road right up this thing. And I mean it was 418 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.359 steep and like you would you would be going up there and you feel like 419 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:17.880 the quad was about to turn it. Actually we'd actually did flip it a 420 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:22.440 few times, but ended up getting up there and clearing out this big area 421 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:30.160 for for a farm. And so pretty much like the day after we started 422 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:36.200 cutting this road, like I was God, I was walking up there the 423 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:40.359 next morning or something like that, and uh, this big old rock comes 424 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:46.839 hurdling down the road and it was like it was like a two foot diameter 425 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:52.920 kind of maybe three foot the kind of flat rock. It was like kind 426 00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:58.960 of rectangular shape or me. You know, it wasn't it wasn't like a 427 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.839 perk circle. But somehow this thing was just coming down like a bowling ball 428 00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:07.480 and real fast, and it came within like a foot of me as I'm 429 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.559 walking as of right when I'm turning to walk up this this new road we 430 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:15.400 had just cut, and uh, it just like hurtled past me and just 431 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:22.719 like crashed through the woods below. And I was like, Okay, that 432 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:28.400 was unexpected because like there's no there's no rocks up there. You know, 433 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.239 we had cleared all this, all this land up there, and it's like 434 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:36.039 if you know, like East Coast mountains, it's just like it's it's kind 435 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:38.920 of rare to find a rock until you get like way up there, and 436 00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:44.639 then to be like some some little spires sticking out from the ancient you know, 437 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:50.199 mountains or whatever. But mostly it's just like sediment and clay, and 438 00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.639 that's what this was. But there was no rocks. Even at the top 439 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.679 of this thing. There was just it was just a rounded clay hill because 440 00:34:55.719 --> 00:35:00.079 I would, you know, we dug down there, like twenty feet down 441 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:05.639 into this clay and it was just the easiest dig and you ever you ever 442 00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:10.199 did see, and you know, just just no rocks anywhere. And so 443 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:16.039 the thing about this rock was it was like it was like a river stone. 444 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:21.400 So there was like a creek and a river you know, down that 445 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:24.719 right through her property, and then there was a big creek down at the 446 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:30.519 bottom. But all those rocks had calcification on them from the outaline water in 447 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.159 the creeks and then the river or like the Yeah, I guess you would 448 00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:37.920 call it a creek, but it was pretty much like a giant creek down 449 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:43.559 below would have these river rocks. That's that's probably where this came from, 450 00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:49.000 because it was like the ones from the creek up above were like calcified, 451 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.800 you know, and this was just like perfectly smooth, and you know, 452 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:58.920 right from the river. And so it seemed, you know, geologically that 453 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:02.000 rock came from from a river at some point in time. When when it 454 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:08.280 got up there, I have no idea, but yeah, it was just 455 00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:15.519 very odd. Uh. Yeah, it doesn't match the type of rocks in 456 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:19.920 the creek above, matches the ones at the creek at the bottom, but 457 00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:23.360 it's at the top rolling down. And and how does a rock that shape 458 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:29.119 just start rolling down a hill like that? True? True? Yeah, 459 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.840 I don't, I know, right, you didn't like see anything or hear 460 00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:39.840 anything other than the rock nothing. And I right after that happened, I 461 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:45.119 just instantly walked up there to like try to make sense of it, and 462 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:49.519 like there was nothing up there, Like I mean there was there could have 463 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.480 been something up there. You're in You're in Man's Anita scrub. I mean 464 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:55.239 this stick up there, so it could have been it could have been somewhat 465 00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:00.559 there, but I didn't hear or see anything. And uh yeah, I 466 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.719 mean it was it was like some telling me to not be up there. 467 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.119 And I know what people will say is like, you know, you just 468 00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.599 cleared all that road. It could have just been a loose rock that came 469 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:15.199 loose, yeah, right at that exact time. And then like you just 470 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:19.320 said, how would it even start rolling? Like nothing, nothing else came 471 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:24.840 down. There wasn't any landslide anywhere on that entire road. There was just 472 00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:29.280 that one rock. Yeah, And you can also look at it from the 473 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:34.840 perspective of you did just clear that road, and so that might have pissed 474 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:38.440 somebody off, you know, Yeah, that's what I think. That's what 475 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:44.599 I think, because there was other weird stuff up there too, Like there 476 00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:49.639 was a are you familiar with Manzanita not at all? Not at all. 477 00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:54.559 Well, it's like this really awesome little tree there, like a bush that 478 00:37:54.679 --> 00:38:00.239 grows all over northern California on the south face and slopes, and it's like 479 00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:08.280 just like this really hard wood and but it kind of has it kind of 480 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:12.519 has these like shallow roots. But I mean I wouldn't say they're easy to 481 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.960 pull out, but you know, yeah, I definitely wouldn't say there easy 482 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:21.599 to pull out. And so there was an old man's anita that had been 483 00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:27.760 pulled out by the roots that was sitting in that was inverted and stuck into 484 00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:32.239 the ground and the root ball made a perfect seat and you could look over 485 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:37.559 the entire valley below from this from this perch. Uh, yeah, that 486 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.800 was up there. That's pretty weird. I mean I've seen pictures of like 487 00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:46.880 inverted trees like that in strange places, you know. Yeah, that was 488 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:52.719 my first encounter with that whole whole situation. I was just like, there's 489 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:54.760 no one up here that would do that, Like this is this is remote. 490 00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:59.119 This is a remote place. Like I wouldn't even think like a minor 491 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.559 from the eighteen hundreds like even got up there. You know, like it 492 00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:08.360 was just so ridiculously remote, like we we just picked a random line to 493 00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:14.440 go up. You know, it was just haphazard that we had found that 494 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:20.159 and Uh, yeah, did you have any problems, you know, with 495 00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:27.519 your farm or anything like missing items or anything like that. Yeah, you 496 00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.719 occasionally get like a plant, a plant pulled out and stuff like that. 497 00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:37.760 But there was like a bunch of bears up there too. Yeah. I 498 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.760 think that they liked to you could tell what it was because there would be 499 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:45.800 like prints in the great and the loose soil. So yeah, we would 500 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.880 have problems with bears up there. But uh, like I would, you 501 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.960 know. I ended up camping out there up there for for many, many 502 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:59.920 many times over the years, pretty much all summer and in the fall u 503 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:08.000 every night. And then occasionally you would hear like animals walking through and sometimes 504 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:13.239 I swear I just heard two feet instead of four because you could tell the 505 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:17.599 difference, and you were always on guard for stuff like people coming up there. 506 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:21.599 But I never saw a person come up there. I never saw any 507 00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:25.400 tracks of the people of people. But the thing to remember is that soil 508 00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:30.360 up there is like super hard in summertime, like it's easy to dig in 509 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.719 winter, but in summertime it just turns to smith. So things aren't really 510 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:43.000 leaving tracks up there in the summer. Yeah, So but yeah, there 511 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.480 was another weird thing. There was a couple other weird things up there. 512 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.239 One of them they had they both happened to my buddy. It was my 513 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.920 partner. So like right around the early times where this was going on, 514 00:40:53.679 --> 00:41:00.519 they were they were leaving the property and he said that he had seen this 515 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:07.880 giant black lion jump across the road in one bound, up like twenty feet 516 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:12.159 onto the hillside and like vanish in the woods within like a split second. 517 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.800 Him, his his wife, and their two kids all saw this thing. 518 00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:22.239 And it's what he describes as being like a black panther. That's what he 519 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.719 thinks he saw. Huh. Yeah, I don't know if it's one of 520 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:30.239 those things where you know, you you see something strange and you don't know 521 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.920 how to process it so you say something else. Yeah, but yeah, 522 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:36.920 he swears he saw a black panther. Now, I did see mountain lion. 523 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.760 I did see a mountain line up there one time, and uh, 524 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.840 it was huge, but it was it was just a normal mountain lion, 525 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:50.800 Like it wasn't black, right, So that was one weird thing. And 526 00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:55.519 and then another time he was camping near this mountain bully. Uh do I 527 00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:01.039 want to say it? Yeah, whatever, bullyshoot and uh, he was 528 00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:07.480 on this back road and he swears that something was like stalking him. And 529 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:14.280 he wouldn't really go into detail, but this guy was not afraid of bears 530 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:19.599 or mountain lions, like he was always heavily armed, and so this whatever 531 00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.719 he's whatever he saw, Like I got the impression that he didn't want to 532 00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:25.760 talk about it, but it was probably like some kind of a bigfoot thing. 533 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.039 And he just said like he was just sitting there in his car and 534 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:34.280 he was getting stocked by this thing and he just like got the heck out 535 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.400 of there and he never went back. I just wonder what's the deal with 536 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:43.199 the you know, the big black cats. I had a friend that you 537 00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:47.400 know, talked about one on his family's property here really and like, yeah, 538 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:53.360 he and his brother, his older brother, and his dad all saw 539 00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:57.719 it. And I think his dad even like tried to shoot at one time 540 00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:02.280 and they're missed. I mean, you know, the way he told the 541 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:06.119 story was, there's no way my dad would have missed, you know a 542 00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.639 little bit, like it didn't drop it or anything. It just like kind 543 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:13.719 of flicked its telling then bounded off through the woods. And I've heard like 544 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:20.079 so many stories about him and everything. But like, according to the information 545 00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:24.400 that I've read, like whatever it's called melanistic traits or whatever, in mountain 546 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:29.679 lions just aren't really possible for them to, for like, a mountain lion 547 00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:37.320 just to genetically be black like that. Okay, so they've kind of ruled 548 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:39.840 out the idea that it's just you know, a black mountain lion, so 549 00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:45.360 it would have to be something else, you know. But the reports of 550 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:50.000 them are so widespread, and I have to admit this is like the first 551 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:55.119 time I recall hearing about one in California. Down here, you know, 552 00:43:55.199 --> 00:44:00.119 I'm in Oklahoma. You hear about them in you know, all throughout the 553 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.480 South and everything, and obviously in Florida there's a lot of reports of them, 554 00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:08.960 but I don't I don't recall hearing about them up there. So that's 555 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:13.840 really interesting. You know. Again, if you're listening and you have a 556 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:16.559 story about a black cat in California or the Pacific Northwest, email me. 557 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:21.239 I'd love to hear about it. I'm kind of interested in them there. 558 00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:23.400 It's just something, you know, like that was like one of the first 559 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:27.199 things that I read about whenever I was a kid. Whenever I got into 560 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:32.000 like all the unexplained phenomenon stuff nice and it's and it's just weird that, 561 00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:37.400 you know, so many people see them but nobody has any idea what they 562 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:42.760 are or anything. Uh. One thing, one possibility is speaking of like 563 00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:49.199 the genetic more thing is like the jaguar I believe can have a melanistic trait. 564 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:53.559 Yeah, and they're black. And I think there's jaguars in South America, 565 00:44:53.920 --> 00:45:00.360 maybe Mexico if I'm not mistaken. I have no idea. Yeah, 566 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:09.039 there's actually another large cat called it Jaggarundi, Jaggarundi from South America that's actually 567 00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:14.840 worked its way up here into the States. Wow. And they've been spotted 568 00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:17.920 in Oklahoma as a matter of fact. But and they're like a spotted cat 569 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:23.320 type thing. But they're not huge or anything like what we're talking about. 570 00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:28.880 Okay, Yeah, this thing that he saw, he said was huge. 571 00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:34.360 And yeah, I mean if it if that can get up in Oklahoma, 572 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:38.119 then you know, it could probably get to California. Yeah. Gyically, 573 00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:42.199 you know, I mean people think like you know, say, for instance, 574 00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.880 Death Valley, people think that it's just like a big flat, empty 575 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.639 desert, you know. But it's actually if you look at a map on 576 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:53.119 Google Earth or whatever, you you can see the green belts extending and they 577 00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:59.679 follow the mountaintops. So there's there's like pond of rosa pine forests up on 578 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.480 the mountain tops and like all kinds of trees up there, and they extend 579 00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:07.800 in a north to south direction along the ridgetops, and so the travel is 580 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:13.719 possible to be kind of like going detected for something like that, to travel 581 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:19.559 like a cat or you know, bigfoot or whatever, that's totally possible that 582 00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.039 way. And there's not a lot of people up there. So if you 583 00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:24.199 kind of like look where the green spaces are, you know, there's a 584 00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:30.639 direct line from like southern California to northern California. So I always thought about 585 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:36.159 that with the whole my whole counter and Death Valley, with the gorilla screams. 586 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:37.599 I was like, well, I mean if there was, if there 587 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.440 was a Bigfoot, then that's where they would be in that area, you 588 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:45.880 know, at least during at least I guess, I don't know, during 589 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:47.840 the day and night, I don't know, but but yeah, it seems 590 00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:52.440 like that's where they would be because it's really hot in summertime down there. 591 00:46:53.519 --> 00:47:00.440 Yeah, I was just talking to my buddy Richie about some big foot stuff 592 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:05.960 in southern California, and there's actually quite a bit of stuff in southern California, 593 00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:09.079 and people don't really think about bigfoot being in southern California. And then 594 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:14.320 I had a lady on that had a bigfoot siding down in Mexico and I 595 00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.880 had never heard of that before. So it just seems like, you know, 596 00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:22.400 obviously people hear all the stories about you know, the Four Corners regions 597 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:27.760 and bigfoot, you know, Arizona, New Mexico and everything. I mean, 598 00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:35.400 these things aren't necessarily just strictly associated with these large expansive forests of the 599 00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:42.360 Pacific Northwest or anything any habitat where they can survive. It seems like you 600 00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:46.679 can find them. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, what I think, Like, 601 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:51.719 you know, Less Strout with his whole big foot thing, he was 602 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:55.480 talking so much anywhere that a bear can lift a bigfoot could live. Yeah, 603 00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:59.239 and it makes sense, you know, I mean, bears are huge. 604 00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:02.559 I mean one of the things that we used to look for is good 605 00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:09.119 populations of deer and coyote in an area. Ah, like we didn't you 606 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:14.440 know, there's a lot of bears here, but not as much as there 607 00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:17.079 are in you know, California or anything like that, or as you get 608 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:25.159 farther north. But it seems like if there's a healthy population of deer and 609 00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:30.639 or coyotes, there's usually bigfoot around. I got one more little bigfoot, 610 00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:36.920 and I'll jump into the aliens. So this is kind of like, this 611 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:43.679 is kind of like the craziest one yet. So I decided to go to 612 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:50.360 college and was working as biologists up in northern California on a Native American reservation, 613 00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:55.519 and I ended up having that job for like three years. But the 614 00:48:55.599 --> 00:49:02.800 first night on that reservation, I woke up in the middle of the night 615 00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:08.320 and I was like, basically, people will want to say it was sleep 616 00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:13.559 peralysis, but I don't really think that's what it was, because I was 617 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:19.599 sitting there, standing face to face with a big black bigfoot and it was 618 00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:22.880 looking at me. I was laying down, like, but I was awake, 619 00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:28.039 and this thing was looking at me from outside and there was no wall 620 00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:31.039 between us, you know, and it was like staring like deep into my 621 00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:38.400 soul, and I was literally a huge sense of dread is all I can 622 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:46.320 describe and yeah, so that happened. And then, excuse me, a 623 00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:55.559 couple of years later, I was at this little ceremony and I was talking 624 00:49:55.559 --> 00:50:01.719 to to the shaman, this shaman guy there, and they do these vision 625 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:07.199 quests where they they'd go way into these sacred places and they carry stones from 626 00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:13.559 the river, which you know kind of hearkens back to the whole thing with 627 00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:17.480 the stone up on the mountain, but but yeah, there was I didn't 628 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:22.400 I didn't ever find any like Native American circles up there on that mountain, 629 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:29.000 but there was these old stone circles from their ancestors. I don't want to 630 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:30.000 get, you know, out of respect, I don't want to get like 631 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:36.599 too into the details. I probably said too much already, but like basically 632 00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:42.159 probably gonna say too much even more, because yeah, so they would go 633 00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.639 sit in these circles for like a week and that was like their protection circle 634 00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:52.719 right right right, And didn't really think about like what are they being protected 635 00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:58.599 from? You know. But like he was the probably like halfway into his 636 00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:02.599 journey, h vision quest or whatever, like he heard that in the middle 637 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:07.679 of the night, he heard this like like weird laughing or like this like 638 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:13.119 this kind of center. He described it as like a sinister laugh down in 639 00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.960 the valley below, and he thought it was his friends playing a trick on 640 00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:20.719 him. But then he was like, wait, there's nobody up here, 641 00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.360 Like I'm in the middle of nowhere. You know, you got to walk 642 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:29.440 like twenty miles to get to the spot, and so like he pretty much 643 00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:34.039 just uh, maybe he was hallucinating or whatever. You know, you go 644 00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.559 for a long time without food or water, you your mind starts playing tricks. 645 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:40.639 But uh, well, I take that back. I think they were 646 00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.239 able to drink water. But so the next night he heard it, but 647 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.760 it was closer, and then he started hearing like scratching on the on the 648 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:54.840 mountain and like nails and it sounded like someone was like climbing up. And 649 00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:59.679 then the next night he heard it again, but this time, you know, 650 00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:02.480 the I'm not closer. And then he looks up on this promontory right 651 00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:07.960 next to him, and there was a big black sasquatch staring at him, 652 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:13.920 and he said it leapt from the promontory right towards him, and right when 653 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:17.320 it hit the stone circle, it dissolved into nothing, just vanished, just 654 00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:24.039 vanished. And he they talked about how it's like, well, I don't 655 00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:27.719 really want to say anymore, but yeah, I mean, dude, to 656 00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:30.079 do with that way you will. I just thought it was interesting because it 657 00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:34.360 kind of it kind of brings everything in my story to a conclusion, because 658 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:38.559 you got like the stone circle thing, the river rock, you got you 659 00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:43.559 know, I'm actually I actually saw it. And then he's describing the same 660 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:47.159 exact thing that I personally actually saw in that dream time. So I believed 661 00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:50.880 him. I mean he didn't. He doesn't have anything to gain from making 662 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:53.760 up a story like that, you know, right, Like this area that 663 00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:59.039 I was in is very famous for bigfoot activity. In fact, the Patty 664 00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:04.440 film was shot about twenty miles during where he was or where I used to 665 00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:07.599 work, So that's a little hint if anybody wants to research where this could 666 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:14.000 have been. But but yeah, what happened whenever you saw the one in 667 00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:17.119 dream time? It was I describe it as like it was like reading my 668 00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:22.559 soul. It was like who is this guy? Like what, you know, 669 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:24.920 what are you all about? You're you're you're not supposed to be here 670 00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:30.760 or you know, you've never been here before, and so I feel like 671 00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:35.639 it was just yeah, it was just standing there. I'm not gonna say 672 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:42.000 it had red eyes, but it definitely its eyes seemed shiny, maybe like 673 00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:46.239 an orange or like a red. Were you like inside a building? Were 674 00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:51.000 you in a tent? When were you? I was in a house, 675 00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:58.599 okay? And this thing was the direction that he was standing was right towards 676 00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.400 this back property where there was it was just it was abandoned. There was 677 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:06.239 an abandoned property. It was like this old this old house back there, 678 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.000 and it had one of those street lights in the yard. But the street 679 00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:12.639 light would always like flicker and it would go on and off. So it 680 00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:16.400 was like super spooky. And uh yeah, it was standing like right around 681 00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:20.519 there, back in the back property, but it was it was I mean 682 00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:22.360 in that direction, but it was like right on the other side of the 683 00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:27.639 walled house, and it was looking at me through the through the walls. 684 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:31.960 So I mean it was like it felt real and I was fully awake and 685 00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:37.159 conscious, but obviously like we were in some other kind of space. It 686 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:43.079 was analyzing me and I while it was while it had me trapped in its 687 00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:46.280 case, I could not move and I could not talk or scream or anything. 688 00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:54.000 I just felt like total dread and maybe that's just like a sense of 689 00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:59.360 the unknown and your fear where you don't know. But yeah, I just 690 00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.800 felt siler complete dread and like if this thing wanted to, you know, 691 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:08.880 kill me, it could it could have easily done that. The Native American 692 00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:14.480 man that shared his story with you, like, what was his opinion? 693 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:21.119 Are they, you know, evil not evil? Is it like a spiritual 694 00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:23.320 type thing? The way that it vanished and everything, was it like a 695 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:28.159 sense of like the one that he was talking about was the same one you 696 00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:34.719 saw that. I'm not sure, but I didn't tell him about my story, 697 00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.559 Okay, but yeah, I don't know why he shared that with me. 698 00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:44.960 Honestly, it was pretty special though, but I just feel like he's 699 00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:46.559 shared with me maybe so I could share with other people because you know, 700 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:51.000 they don't really like to talk about it, right, just had a ridicule 701 00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:53.199 and stuff. But like at the same time, if you don't ever tell 702 00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:58.519 anybody, then it just dies with you. So maybe he just wanted to 703 00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:00.440 get it out there, like kind of like how I want to this out 704 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:05.880 there right now? Yeah, I mean, I don't know, but I 705 00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:10.320 don't know about the I think what from what I gathered, they kind of 706 00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:15.440 think that it kind of travels between the two worlds, and it can be 707 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:22.360 spiritual and it can be physical. It has some kind of like advanced understanding 708 00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:27.320 of how what what, you know, what we could be capable of if 709 00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:35.360 we were more tapped into nature perhaps. Right as far as like evil and 710 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:39.199 stuff, I'm not I don't really think they think they're evil, but I 711 00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:44.280 think that they they will test you kind of like how I was testing me, 712 00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:46.159 and kind of like how I was testing him to see if he was 713 00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:51.360 going to get afraid and run away or something. And you know what, 714 00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:54.880 this actually reminds me, Uh the company I used to work for out there, 715 00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:01.159 the foreman his wife when she was a little girl, she was playing 716 00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:07.199 in her yard and saw a bigfoot staring at her not far away. And 717 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.320 he told me the story one day, and then I actually talked to her 718 00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:15.119 about it and she was like, yeah, that really happened, and she 719 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:20.440 was dead serious. So like the people out there kind of like don't really 720 00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:23.480 like to talk about it, but if they trust you or whatever, they'll 721 00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:30.719 tell you stuff like that. So it's pretty prevalent, you know, stories 722 00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:34.840 like that out there, and I've had I've heard other stories of of other 723 00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:38.679 guys out there that with with crazy stuff like when they were kids trying to 724 00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:43.320 like reach in the window and grab them and stuff like that. So, 725 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.199 I mean, there's just there's something about being you know. They would always 726 00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:51.639 say like don't go outside you get you know, captured by the bigfoot or 727 00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:55.480 whatever when you're a kid, and like they literally meant that though, because 728 00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:59.320 they just saw, you know, there's a lot of activity out there. 729 00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:07.079 Yeah, it sounds very similar to like the type of stuff you hear all 730 00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:12.239 over really whenever it comes to like Rroll America or whatever and bigfoot stuff, 731 00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:16.719 it's like they don't really talk about it or anything, but if they trust 732 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:21.760 you and they get to know you and everything, you start hearing stories all 733 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:27.800 the time from everybody. It seems like yeah, exactly, man, exactly. 734 00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:31.199 Kind of like Georgia, Like I was surprised here there's like everywhere you 735 00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:36.000 go there's like those little big foot statues or it's like a little plywood cutouts. 736 00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:39.079 Yeah, Bigfoot they're everywhere out here, and people have like big foot 737 00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:44.360 stickers on their cars and trucks, and you know, it's very prevalent. 738 00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:46.920 And I was I was kind of surprised. Yeah, Like, growing up 739 00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:51.360 in Virginia, I never thought that was going on up there, but now 740 00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:53.599 it comes to find I mean I would go hiking out on the Appalation Trail 741 00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:58.760 like all the time when I was growing up alone, and now I come 742 00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:00.840 to find out that like that even there's even activity going on out there. 743 00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:05.239 I'm just like, oh, man, but it would. You will just 744 00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:07.960 feel like spooked out sometimes, you know, when you're out there and you 745 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:10.280 just get that feeling and you're just like, oh, what is that? 746 00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:17.800 So Bigfoot's not the only thing you've experienced though, right right, this is 747 00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:22.960 good. People are gonna laugh on this one, okay. But July two 748 00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:30.639 thousand and five, Marvin's Mountaintop, West Virginia All Good Festival. It was 749 00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:36.960 like this awesome little music festival. Me and my girlfriend went to it. 750 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:44.920 And it's basically like this this big grass hill and on the back of the 751 00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:49.880 hill is the tree line and it's out in middle of nowhere, and so 752 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.840 it just like goes to mountains, like you're at the top of the mountain 753 00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:55.840 and it goes down to a valley and then it just goes to more mountains 754 00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:04.480 and uh, so we're there and this was crazy man like string cheese incident 755 01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:08.039 went on, and you know, everybody's everybody was there to see that, 756 01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:15.000 and so I mean that place was packed. And right during their set, 757 01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:21.159 like the first set, it started to like torrentially downpour and they kept playing 758 01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:25.320 and uh, I mean it was raining hard, but the electricity in the 759 01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:30.400 air was was something. There was something strange going. Like everybody there was 760 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:36.800 like very like into it. Like everybody was dancing. I mean, you 761 01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:39.159 know, usually had a usually at a vestival or something, there's always like 762 01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:44.760 some people dance and some people standing, but like everybody was dancing. Everybody 763 01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:47.920 was like into this thing. And it was just completely downpour raining. It 764 01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:53.599 was. It was ridiculous. And uh, right around then, this orange 765 01:00:53.920 --> 01:01:00.000 flare went up in the air from somewhere in the crowd. And at first 766 01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:05.360 it's like, oh, yeah, someone's lighting off fireworks. But this orange 767 01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:10.119 flare hovered up in the air for probably like a good i want to say, 768 01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:15.119 a good five or ten minutes, and it didn't come down, like 769 01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:19.079 it just stayed up in the air. And this is two thousand and five, 770 01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:24.079 so this is not like drones happening, you know, So what could 771 01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:30.880 that have been. I mean it sounds like what people describe as like the 772 01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:35.360 Brown Mountain lights type thing. Oh shoot, I didn't even think about that. 773 01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:40.119 Like I've heard, and not just the Brown Mountain lights, but like 774 01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:49.559 I've heard, well, Jonathan Dodd and the guys of Moth Boys podcast saw 775 01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:57.960 something very similar to what you're describing, if I remember correctly. I mean 776 01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:01.199 they saw some other stuff, but like original think just the light type situation. 777 01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:12.239 Yeah, but I've talked to Joe and Jesse Doyle of Hillbent Holler and 778 01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:19.920 they have some remarkable footage of the Brown Mountain lights, and it sounds like 779 01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:27.800 you're describing those the same type thing, like basically an orb that comes up 780 01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:34.960 from nowhere and hovers in the sky. Wow. Yeah, I've heard of 781 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.880 the Brown Mountain lights. I actually went and camped out there a couple of 782 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.719 times when I was younger and never got to see anything, unfortunately. But 783 01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:44.960 I've seen him on there's like some YouTube videos. Now I don't know maybe 784 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:47.519 that's the same one you're talking about, but I've seen him on these YouTube 785 01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:51.599 videos. But yeah, so this thing went up in the air and it 786 01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:53.360 was like lit up the whole crowd kind of. I mean, like not 787 01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:58.280 really, but it was kind of dark anyway. And then it just the 788 01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:04.199 energy just rose like a thousand percent. And anyone that was at this show 789 01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:07.199 will tell you that, like, this was one of the most magical Stringsheet 790 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:15.840 shows they ever saw. And and then so right when the rain stopped and 791 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:22.199 this thing like went away for some reason, I just happened to look behind 792 01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:28.519 me, and I'm staring at the at the tree line, and right where 793 01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:37.760 I'm looking this UFO stereotypically UFO, like all the flashing lights, and one 794 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:43.760 of the most beautiful things I've ever seen comes out of the tree line or 795 01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:46.320 sorry, over the tree line and hovers like just like a few feet away 796 01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:51.079 from the trees, and it's like it's like they were just there to see 797 01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:54.760 the show or something like. And then I look around the entire I like 798 01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:59.039 scan the entire crowd. No one else is seeing this thing. Everyone's looking 799 01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:02.239 ahead at stringsheets. And I looked over at my girlfriend. She's staring at 800 01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:05.039 because she had seen me staring at it, and she's looking back and I 801 01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:08.679 was like, you see that. She's like yeah, And it's just like 802 01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:15.199 hovered there for like thirty seconds and then just swoop slowly backs away. I 803 01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:24.159 was like, what, yeah, yeah, what it was like those are 804 01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:27.000 real because I had been a big fan of X files and stuff, but 805 01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:30.039 you know, like you don't really think that stuff is real when you're a 806 01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:33.119 kid. I mean, I'm probably like twenty maybe like twenty two, and 807 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:39.599 yeah, they are real. Now. I don't know who was driving it, 808 01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:46.119 but yeah, that was my first encounter when I realized that there is 809 01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:54.599 something else out there at a string cheese incident to her concert music festival. 810 01:04:54.719 --> 01:05:00.960 No, not on mushrooms or you know, anything like that. I think 811 01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:02.760 we were actually completely sober, Like I don't even think I had smoked any 812 01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:09.599 weed or anything. Yeah, so I know people are gonna say, no, 813 01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:15.079 weren't tripping, and yeah, so it's just so so random. Yeah, 814 01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:20.960 you know, yeah, and I don't. I've been into the like, 815 01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:25.679 you know, concert archives when people like kind of talk about the show 816 01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:30.559 and no one ever mentioned that. People mentioned the orange orb thing. I've 817 01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:32.039 heard that like a couple of times, and people mentioned the rain, how 818 01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:35.079 it was and the energy. People always talk about the energy of that show, 819 01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:40.480 and it's like, oh, if only you knew, like there was 820 01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:45.599 something strange going on that night on that show. I mean, did it 821 01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:49.519 look like a saucer? Yes, like like an actual flying saucer. Like 822 01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:55.440 what color were the lights? Do you remember? It was? It was 823 01:05:55.480 --> 01:06:01.039 the actual flying saucer and the lights were multicolored. They were all different colors. 824 01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:04.559 And I kind of like, you know, the haze of time kind 825 01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:10.000 of erodes the memory, so I don't I just if I can, if 826 01:06:10.039 --> 01:06:12.400 I can close my eyes, I can just see it there though, you 827 01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:15.400 know, but I don't remember like the exact specifics. But it had like 828 01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:19.440 a little the little dome thing on top, but it wasn't like a perfect 829 01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:23.599 dome. It was kind of like angular a little bit. It looked like 830 01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:29.039 maybe it was like an older model. I don't know, but yeah, 831 01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:33.079 it's like a vintage And the lights were like on the bottom or maybe like 832 01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:38.239 around the sides a little bit. And then there was like a like a 833 01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:44.840 ring of like windows around it, and the lights were just like it wasn't 834 01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:46.760 like bright enough to light up the crowd like the ORB was doing. So 835 01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:50.639 it was some kind of like weird lights that weren't like casting any kind of 836 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:58.000 like blow if that makes no sense, But it was just like you had 837 01:06:58.000 --> 01:07:00.440 to you wouldn't notice it unless you were looking right because it wasn't creating any 838 01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:04.960 shadows or anything like that. But it was, like I said, it 839 01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:09.440 was just like the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. And like obviously, 840 01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:15.199 I mean, they don't really do this at like outdoor music festivals, but 841 01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:21.000 I'm just saying, if it were some sort of you know, part of 842 01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:25.119 the show, basically, they're obviously going to do it in front of the 843 01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:28.840 crowd where everybody can see it, not behind the crowd where nobody's looking. 844 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I've thought about that too. I 845 01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:36.079 mean, I know nowadays, you know, like if you go to a 846 01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:40.000 fish show or something, nowadays, like they got crazy stuff going on, 847 01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:44.639 yeah, stuff like that. But noah, back then, man, like 848 01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:47.159 nothing like that was I mean, yeah, there was some stuff, but 849 01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:51.079 like not like the crazy like dragon drones that they have flying around. Yeah, 850 01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:58.719 nothing like that. And uh yeah man, it was just yeah, 851 01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:02.199 it was just completely silent. I saw it from probably like you know, 852 01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:05.840 it was like right above the tree line, so what like forty fifty feet 853 01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:11.880 off the ground maybe a little more, And I was probably like not even 854 01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:15.079 one hundred yards away from it because we were kind of in the back. 855 01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:20.520 I mean I saw it close wow yeah, and no sound. It was 856 01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:24.479 just like they were just popping in for a little visit and they're like, 857 01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:27.479 oh, this is cool. Oh this dude sees this. Let's get back 858 01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:31.199 up a little bit. That's kind of what it seemed like. But uh 859 01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:40.119 yeah. So the next thing that happened was so we're flashing. This was 860 01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:45.600 right before I went to Maine. So the next thing that happened was when 861 01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:48.119 I was in Maine. The next two things are going to be in Maine. 862 01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:53.039 And this was in a little place called Heartland, Maine, which is 863 01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:59.159 near where that was before. And I was I was working on a farm 864 01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:04.920 with some friends. This was after the medicine, you know, lady and 865 01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:08.600 I had met some friends and was living with them working on this farm out 866 01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:15.199 there, and this was just an organic food farm. And so one night 867 01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:19.880 I was out in the sauna. I had I had my tent set up 868 01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:24.119 in the sauna, and this was like fall, so it was getting a 869 01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:28.800 little chilly, but it wasn't like freezing. And I'm sitting in the song 870 01:09:28.840 --> 01:09:33.560 and playing guitar, and all of a sudden, like I started seeing these 871 01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:41.600 geometric shapes like purple, like how I would describe as maybe like the flower 872 01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:45.760 of life symbol or something. Okay, I started seeing these geometric shapes out 873 01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:53.119 of nowhere, and all of a sudden, then I got the sense of 874 01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:57.079 like, oh, there's something directly above me that just flew over me. 875 01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:02.920 And then I got this like crazy sense of and I remember being like, 876 01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:09.560 hope, please don't abduct me. Like I feel like this is I feel 877 01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:12.399 like I've had experiences in the past that I have blocked out of my memory. 878 01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:15.560 I know there was some times growing up where I would be outside at 879 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:18.560 two in the morning when I was like a kid playing what my dad said 880 01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:25.239 was playing basketball, but like he I was like, wow, I wasn't 881 01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:28.600 playing basketball. He's like, yeah, you were playing basketball. I was 882 01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:30.359 like, well, why was I out at two am. He's like, 883 01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:33.680 don't worry that, And just like weird stuff like that would happen, and 884 01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:39.319 uh So I feel like, right when this incident happened, like I knew 885 01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:45.600 who it was and I just I jumped up and I ran out to the 886 01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:51.319 field and I was like, you know, wait till I have a girlfriend. 887 01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:54.560 Come back when I have a girlfriend. I can't take this right now 888 01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:57.520 you know, like I'm an emotionally fragile state. I was like saying all 889 01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:02.039 this stuff, and then right then this from the from across the street, 890 01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:05.479 a light shot up in the sky at like five thousand miles an hour and 891 01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:11.680 was gone. And it was like, yeah, a bright flash, like 892 01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:15.279 a white light was like up into the sky from the from below the trees 893 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:20.760 right across the street. So then the next night some friends had also seen 894 01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:26.079 some stuff up in the sky while we were talking, and they were like, 895 01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:27.720 what is that? And then when I turned around, it was gone. 896 01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:31.680 But but there was there was some there was some weird stuff out there, 897 01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:39.479 That's what I can say. And so this this cumulates that Winter had 898 01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:44.560 a girlfriend and I was living in this remote, uh kind of like ski 899 01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:48.680 cabin up near ski resort, and I was renovating it for my buddy, 900 01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:58.319 and pretty much that's when I had my missing time encounter where I woke up 901 01:11:59.039 --> 01:12:03.840 and there was like this blue light coming through the window and I knew instantly 902 01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:10.079 who it was and I just got down. I was laying I was sleeping 903 01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:14.640 on the floor that I didn't have a bed at this time, and I 904 01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:16.640 always like sluck on my stomach or my side, and so I just like 905 01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:20.680 rolled up on my knees and like crouched down, and I was just like, 906 01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:25.239 you know, hit me with the wand or something like that. I 907 01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:29.920 don't I can't deal with this right now. And so when I woke up. 908 01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:33.239 When I woke up, I was laying on my back, and I 909 01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:38.760 was facing the opposite direction, and I never sleep on my back, and 910 01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:45.640 I yeah, and I was facing the opposite direction. And I got up 911 01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:50.000 and I had an appointment, I thought that day, but it was not 912 01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:55.399 like Tuesday. It was Wednesday, and so I had missed my appointment and 913 01:12:56.159 --> 01:13:01.239 I had lost like twenty four hours a time basically, and I have I 914 01:13:01.279 --> 01:13:09.319 had like memories, like very faint memories of like pretty much being on It 915 01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:16.520 was actually like there's like military people there, and it was there might have 916 01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:20.159 you know, there might have been others there, but that's what I recall 917 01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:27.640 my memory. And I remember being kind of like I remember that the terrain 918 01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:31.279 being red and there was like plastic black plastic bags like covered in the hillside. 919 01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:33.960 It's just like these flashes of memory, it's all I have of that 920 01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:41.079 experience. And I always wanted to do the hypnotic regression thing and see what 921 01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:44.840 was going on there. But I haven't done that yet, but I should. 922 01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:51.880 And yeah, so that was that was the missing time encounter. And 923 01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:55.319 it was funny. I had a girlfriend at the time, so they were 924 01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:59.119 just like waiting for me to have a girlfriend or something like, I don't 925 01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:08.520 know. And the military or like our military that I don't know, but 926 01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:15.279 human military figures, yes, yeah, human military. We were on like 927 01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:18.279 some kind of craft, but it wasn't like a it wasn't like an airplane, 928 01:14:19.039 --> 01:14:23.520 but we were we were definitely like it's yeah, we were definitely a 929 01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:26.720 flying or you know where we were like above the ground and some kind of 930 01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:34.399 craft and yeah, and then it seemed like we were maybe in just this 931 01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:40.159 really exotic location when I was walking around. So I don't know if that 932 01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:43.800 was like I don't know if that was this planet or or what, or 933 01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:46.680 if it's all just a dream, you know, but it just I've never 934 01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:51.640 slept for, you know, twenty four straight hours and just like woke up 935 01:14:51.680 --> 01:14:57.760 in a weird position and had a memory of blue lights coming in the window 936 01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:05.520 and like is being in my room? So I honestly believe that I was 937 01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:11.239 abducted that night and for what cause, I don't know. And you know, 938 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:15.560 I believe that potentially that night before they were going to do that, 939 01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:21.399 but they they honored my wishes to wait till how to girlfriend. And you 940 01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:29.600 believe that you might have been abducted whenever you were young. I don't have 941 01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:33.560 memories of it, but just like strange things would happen where I would be 942 01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:40.319 outside, So yeah, I think that's a possibility. I think I've just 943 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:45.680 because for me to like know who it was when I was in that sauna 944 01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:50.439 and I just felt the presence and to know what it was was strange because 945 01:15:50.479 --> 01:15:55.760 I had never had any memory of anything like that before, and then all 946 01:15:55.760 --> 01:16:01.640 of a sudden, I just knew who it was. So I'm a person 947 01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:06.239 who is very much against doing this, but I'm going to make an exception 948 01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:13.920 in this case. If you take the UFO stuff and then you take the 949 01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:20.000 Bigfoot stuff, do you think those things are connected? I like that question 950 01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:29.600 because before I never would have thought that, but now I am leaning towards 951 01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:35.159 that possibility. I've been thinking about a lot preppering for this show and stuff, 952 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:42.680 and yeah, I think it's a possibility. What do you think. 953 01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:48.319 I mean, so jeez, I don't like to be asked questions on my 954 01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:55.000 own show. I mean, you know, you hear stories not just from 955 01:16:55.119 --> 01:17:02.239 eyewitnesses but also from investigators of seeing like orbs and stuff, and like I 956 01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:05.680 said, I don't like to connect the two. I don't think that necessarily 957 01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:13.760 because you're out looking for a bigfoot and then you see something else that it's 958 01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:17.319 somehow connected to Bigfoot, or that if you think Bigfoot is in the area 959 01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:23.760 and then you see something else that they're connected. I know that early on 960 01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:30.880 in my research, you did hear, you know, stories about UFOs and 961 01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:35.079 bigfoot, and that is a theory out there that you know they are connected, 962 01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:44.880 right, But like as I've gotten older, Uh, there's something going 963 01:17:44.920 --> 01:17:47.920 on, man, I don't know what it is. But people out there 964 01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:56.159 aren't experiencing just one phenomenon. They're experiencing a bunch of different things over their 965 01:17:56.199 --> 01:18:01.520 lifetime. Not everybody, but some people, right, And I'm very interested 966 01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:08.680 in that because I'm one of those people. I've experienced various things and I 967 01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:14.760 don't know if they're connected or if they're connected through the person that witnesses them, 968 01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:20.399 but it just seems like more times than not. It's like once you 969 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:27.079 get to talking to people, if they've experienced something substantial in one area, 970 01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:35.159 then they also have experiences in other areas. So I mean it's just really 971 01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:39.840 tough to say. I just don't know. And I think that's the problem. 972 01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:45.119 I think most people don't really know. Yeah, I mean, it's 973 01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:49.680 got to be a possibility. There's got to be at least the possibility that 974 01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:59.119 these things are connected somehow or something in us allows us to have these experiences 975 01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:05.399 more so than just a typical person. I don't know. Yeah, I 976 01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:13.399 can tell you what the certain Native American shaman would tell you, and it's 977 01:19:13.479 --> 01:19:18.600 like the or like how they travel around and you know, you know Bobo, 978 01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:24.199 I'm sure sure of course, Yeah, he talks about when he was 979 01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:28.000 in the area that I'm talking about. He probably knows exactly what I'm talking 980 01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:33.199 about. And like he was in an area around there and he saw a 981 01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:38.479 blue orb. I believe what he said was like a blue orb like turn 982 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:42.000 into a bigfoot or a big into a blue RB or something like that and 983 01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:45.439 like all that. So he actually saw that, and then like all the 984 01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:48.279 a lot of the Native American you know, guys that are in the know 985 01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:51.439 would tell you that that's how they travel around. And there was this whole 986 01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:59.239 story that Bobo tells about this like old Native American like shaman guy that everybody 987 01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:01.039 loved and all the almost loved him, and he would just like walk out 988 01:20:01.039 --> 01:20:04.760 in the field and like Ravens would come like sit on his shoulder and just 989 01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:09.479 crazy stuff like that. And he was the one that was like, yeah, 990 01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:13.079 that's how they travel around, just like it was like natural fact, 991 01:20:13.159 --> 01:20:18.199 like everybody should know that. But how that pertains to the UFOs and all 992 01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:23.079 that stuff, you know, no idea. But that's just an interesting little 993 01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:29.439 tidbit. And it leads into my last little story here, And this one 994 01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:32.199 was in twenty ten. I actually reported this one on move On. I 995 01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:36.319 don't know why I did report the other one on moufon. It just it 996 01:20:36.439 --> 01:20:41.920 just seems so unbelievable. You at a music festival and you see UFO, 997 01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:46.359 okay, but this one was this one. I don't know. This one 998 01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:50.560 just seemed a little more believable, I guess. But near that place where 999 01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:56.079 I was living in on the near that four hundred acre ranch out in northern 1000 01:20:56.079 --> 01:21:01.479 California, this mountain called Bullushoot mountain, very beautiful mountain. It's like seven 1001 01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:04.279 thousand feet and when you're on the top of that thing, you can see 1002 01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:10.119 one hundred miles away, like you know, and the I five looks like 1003 01:21:10.199 --> 01:21:14.960 Christmas tree lights, just like cast down the Central Valley of California. So 1004 01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:16.359 we would just go up there, you know, and just hang out, 1005 01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:20.960 and it was like a fire lookout up there. So this particular night we 1006 01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:27.319 were going, we were heading up there, it's pretty late, and me 1007 01:21:27.359 --> 01:21:34.079 and my buddy and pretty much like we were, we ran into like this 1008 01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:39.159 big snow bank. So we had to park the car and just start walking. 1009 01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:43.359 And so we started. We were just walking up this mountain and we 1010 01:21:43.479 --> 01:21:45.720 come to this little curve in the road and where you're looking out all over 1011 01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:49.720 reading below and then all the way down to the Central Valley, and then 1012 01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:56.560 right then we see this. At first I thought it was an ATV coming 1013 01:21:56.680 --> 01:22:00.560 or like a car. It had those like amber color car lights, like 1014 01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:04.000 the older cars, not like the ungodly bright car lights they have nowadays, 1015 01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:09.279 but like the older amber colored car light. Yeah, it was like coming 1016 01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:14.880 up through the the the ridge that was coming up from the from the valley 1017 01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:17.479 below, and it was just like cruising up the ridge and we were like, 1018 01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:19.800 oh, that's weird that there's a I didn't know there was a road 1019 01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:23.079 there. And we're like, wait, there isn't a road there. This 1020 01:22:23.199 --> 01:22:27.640 is it's like middle of nowhere. It's like we're on the road. And 1021 01:22:27.800 --> 01:22:32.920 so right then this thing does a ninety degree angle and starts traveling out in 1022 01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:39.920 space or like out in the air between the bridge and where we were standing, 1023 01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:45.079 and it's it's like going away from us a little bit, and then 1024 01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:49.880 it turns directly toward us. And it was an orange orb, you know. 1025 01:22:50.119 --> 01:22:53.520 It was just it was like, I don't know how big it was, 1026 01:22:53.920 --> 01:22:58.560 but when the move on, lady was talking about like, well, 1027 01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:01.840 if you hold like a pinny up to your reached out stretched arm, like 1028 01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:05.680 how big was it? And I would say, you know, maybe about 1029 01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:14.079 the sides of a nickel or something. So maybe it was like twenty feet 1030 01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:16.520 across. Maybe it was somewhere around there. Like it was pretty big. 1031 01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:20.640 It wasn't huge. It could have been ten feet, but it was. 1032 01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:26.680 It was just like this orange orb and it wasn't shimmering, it wasn't glowing. 1033 01:23:26.720 --> 01:23:31.800 It was just completely orange and it was it was it was amazing, 1034 01:23:32.399 --> 01:23:36.319 but it but when it turned and started flying towards it, it was hovering 1035 01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:40.680 like it wasn't really going very fast. It was just like you know, 1036 01:23:41.319 --> 01:23:44.720 just bound bounding up the hillside. And then it just like starts and then 1037 01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:47.000 it like saw us, and then it like turned directly towards us and started 1038 01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:54.920 coming directly towards us. And probably when it got within like two hundred and 1039 01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:59.279 three hundred yards or something, I freaked out and I started running away, 1040 01:23:59.319 --> 01:24:03.439 and I was I was like, I ain't have no close encounter of the 1041 01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:09.000 third kind up here tonight. As I'm like running away, and my buddy 1042 01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:15.079 was just staring at this thing like like in a trance. So he just 1043 01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:17.720 stood there and I'm running away, and then I get over the little ridge 1044 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:20.880 and I see he's not following me, and I'm like, oh dang, 1045 01:24:20.920 --> 01:24:26.039 So I like ran back, and then right when I got back, this 1046 01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:30.359 thing was going away, and then it just kind of It's weird because I 1047 01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:36.960 don't remember I don't remember it like what happened as far as how it disappeared, 1048 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:42.640 but it just kind of like covered away, and yeah, and we 1049 01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:46.880 you know, we were just like in disbelief And one thing I didn't mention 1050 01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:51.479 though, is when we were walking up that road, we both felt extremely 1051 01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:57.079 electrified, like we both felt so good. We were just like you feel 1052 01:24:57.119 --> 01:25:00.359 that, It's like, yeah, I feel like amazing right now. And 1053 01:25:00.319 --> 01:25:03.119 then we saw that. And so when I was talking to the mof on 1054 01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:10.000 lady, she had said that that lookout they used to allow people to spend 1055 01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:14.640 the night there. And one of the stories she heard was a lady that 1056 01:25:14.720 --> 01:25:17.760 was spending the night in the fire lookout and she had seen the exact same 1057 01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:23.359 thing that we had seen, this orange orb going up. Yeah, so 1058 01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:27.039 she had heard stories about this place. And nobody knows about this place. 1059 01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:29.680 I don't even like the fact that I'm talking about it because it's like my 1060 01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:34.359 fun little so nobody goes I'm just kidding, but yeah. Like, and 1061 01:25:34.399 --> 01:25:40.800 another story was that she had told me was down on it's called Indian Creek 1062 01:25:40.840 --> 01:25:45.760 that flows down from Bullushop down to Highway to ninety nine, and down there 1063 01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:50.479 there's this lodge, it's called Indian Creek Lodge. And this this other siding 1064 01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:57.359 was this guy was at Indian Creek Lodge and had seen like orange orbs up 1065 01:25:57.399 --> 01:26:02.560 in the vicinity of where this fire lookout us. And of note that this 1066 01:26:03.079 --> 01:26:09.520 mountain, if you're standing on top of it, it's it's like the geology 1067 01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:15.479 is like there's like courts, courts, and then it turns into like dark 1068 01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:21.119 metamorphic. And so this mountain is like on the divide, and it was 1069 01:26:21.159 --> 01:26:27.520 an old historic gold mine, so it's got layers of like courts and sedimentary 1070 01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:32.199 rock and like you know, there's there's my theory that this is like a 1071 01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:39.960 place of high energy on the because of that. Yeah, I don't, 1072 01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:42.720 I don't know what it was, but it seemed like it was intelligent. 1073 01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:45.399 It seemed like it was intelligent, like when it's solid, it just like 1074 01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:47.960 came right towards us. You know. That's That's a thing that I've picked 1075 01:26:48.039 --> 01:26:55.479 up on from talking to different people that have encounters like the one you're talking 1076 01:26:55.479 --> 01:27:02.239 about, is they feel that it's intelligent and is specifically aware of them, 1077 01:27:04.479 --> 01:27:11.119 which is interesting to me. You know. I talked to my buddy Jonathan 1078 01:27:11.199 --> 01:27:14.680 Dodd, the artist that did the graphics for the show and everything he was 1079 01:27:14.720 --> 01:27:19.079 on here and talking to him about his UFO experience that they felt the same 1080 01:27:19.119 --> 01:27:26.680 way. And I just found that really interesting because I'm thinking like, and 1081 01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:29.600 I talked to him about it, like, you guys were observing it from 1082 01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:33.439 this point. For all you know, there could have been somebody five miles 1083 01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:39.000 away observing the same thing at the same time. Would they feel like they 1084 01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:43.640 were being singled out by this thing? Would they feel that intelligence connection and 1085 01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:48.199 reaction that you did, And here you are bringing it up again, and 1086 01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:55.920 it's just there's something to that, man, there's something to it. I 1087 01:27:56.039 --> 01:28:00.800 used to talk about people's bigfoot experiences, how where they have a big foot 1088 01:28:00.840 --> 01:28:05.640 encounter it feels very personal, like they were specifically singled out to have that 1089 01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:10.920 encounter or whatever. Yes, that's how I felt. And it seems like 1090 01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:15.319 this is also a theme with the UFO stuff or orbs or whatever you want 1091 01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:20.640 to call it. You were talking about that energized feeling. Would you say 1092 01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:25.199 it's the same as what you experienced at the concert? Well, you know 1093 01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:28.880 what, now that you mention it, I did feel that similar kind of 1094 01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:31.479 feeling when when everybody was dancing and we in that orange orb was up in 1095 01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:39.960 the in the sky at the concert. But yeah, I mean maybe they 1096 01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:43.159 were a little similar now that you mention it, I mean that it concerts 1097 01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:45.720 a lot of people feel that way, you know. Yeah, exactly. 1098 01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:51.760 It was more like a communal like I guess you would say, like a 1099 01:28:51.800 --> 01:29:00.279 communal high or whatever. Pun unintended, but like at the the least thing 1100 01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:04.720 it was. It was more singular, but it was a similar thing. 1101 01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:10.840 But I would say, I would say I've never felt so energized as being 1102 01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:15.319 on bullyshoot that night. It was just insane, like we felt so energized, 1103 01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:21.159 like we could just look up and fly away. It also sounds like 1104 01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:28.399 a couple of the instances, like the missing time and everything was definitely a 1105 01:29:29.359 --> 01:29:34.520 different feeling to you than these were. Yes, yeah, the missing time 1106 01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:40.880 thing was freaky, man, Like I'm still freaked out about that. I 1107 01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:45.439 mean, you were talking about you know, like don't abduct me, you 1108 01:29:45.479 --> 01:29:49.880 know, wait until I have a girlfriend all that stuff as opposed to this, 1109 01:29:49.960 --> 01:29:53.600 And I mean, I know you took off running and everything, but 1110 01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:59.920 it's like it definitely seems like you had different emotional response to the two different 1111 01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:05.960 instances. Yeah, that's a really good point. I did. Yeah, 1112 01:30:06.039 --> 01:30:12.800 I think part of it is part of me really does want to like go 1113 01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:15.960 on a UFO and get and get taken to exotic locations in space, but 1114 01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:21.119 when the moment actually arrives, you're not ready for that, you know, 1115 01:30:21.279 --> 01:30:27.239 like you don't want to do that. Well, I mean it all sounds 1116 01:30:27.279 --> 01:30:30.840 like fun and games, but as soon as the control factor is removed from 1117 01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:34.000 the equation where you're not in charge of the trip, I don't think anybody 1118 01:30:34.039 --> 01:30:39.520 would want to right, you don't. You don't You don't know who it 1119 01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:43.079 is. I mean, yeah, it could be some good guys, or 1120 01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:45.880 it could be some bad guys, you know. Yeah. I mean there's 1121 01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:47.520 a lot of people that say they want to see a bigfoot, and I'm 1122 01:30:47.520 --> 01:30:51.600 like, are you sure, Like do you really? I mean, in 1123 01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:57.039 what situation do you want to see one? Right? Yeah? Because you 1124 01:30:57.119 --> 01:31:00.600 never look at the woods the same way again when you That's that's one thing 1125 01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:05.239 that I can say that I still have the benefit of doubt because I haven't 1126 01:31:05.479 --> 01:31:09.039 Even though I saw that one in dream time, I still could say that 1127 01:31:09.039 --> 01:31:11.960 that was just a dream, right, And I haven't actually seen one in 1128 01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:14.479 the wild. So when I go out and explore in the wild or like 1129 01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:17.119 do hikes and stuff, you know, like only in the dark of night 1130 01:31:17.159 --> 01:31:21.479 do I shudder? Like It's like most of the time I'm I'm I'm like, 1131 01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:27.399 yeah, that's maybe it's you know, maybe I I know, I 1132 01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:29.680 believe, but I'm like, I still have that benefit of the doubt. 1133 01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:32.079 But if I actually saw one, then I would be freaked out. It 1134 01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:36.560 would never want to go in the woods. Yeah, yeah, that happens 1135 01:31:36.600 --> 01:31:41.640 a lot. Happens a lot. Yeah. I mean I've heard stories about 1136 01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:45.680 people that were like, you know, filled researchers or whatever, and then 1137 01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:49.760 they saw one and they quit like that was it, Like Nope, what 1138 01:31:49.880 --> 01:31:54.560 were you looking for? You? That was the whole point. But or 1139 01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:58.399 like hunters, I had hunted their whole lives and that was their entire you 1140 01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:00.560 know, thing in life, and then they just never hunted again after they 1141 01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:05.000 saw it, Like yeah, So part of me kind of wants to see 1142 01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:08.920 one. But part of me also is like, well, I really liked 1143 01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:13.840 being outside at night, you know, playing guitar around the campfire kind of 1144 01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:15.840 thing, Like I don't know if that would do it if I knew that 1145 01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:19.880 there is just But another part of me is like I just want to know 1146 01:32:20.039 --> 01:32:27.159 truth regardless of anything. So maybe maybe I do want to see one, 1147 01:32:27.399 --> 01:32:32.359 like actually see one. Maybe I don't. Whenever I was a little kid. 1148 01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:36.760 I don't know if this so like there's a key point in my childhood 1149 01:32:40.039 --> 01:32:44.640 where I acquired this little paperback book. I've talked about it before, but 1150 01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:48.920 this little book had stories of Bigfoot and the Lockmass monster, like it was 1151 01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:55.800 divided in half, and and that was my first real introduction to Bigfoot. 1152 01:32:56.039 --> 01:33:00.199 Now I had seen like some reruns of In Search of I believe, even 1153 01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:05.119 reenactments of like the Ape Canyon incident, but that book, by far was 1154 01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:10.560 the first thing that kind of hooked me on the Bigfoot subject. But I 1155 01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:15.319 don't remember if I had the book first or this happened first. We had 1156 01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:19.399 a lake house and it was just a trailer like a mobile home, and 1157 01:33:20.399 --> 01:33:25.239 we would go up there on the weekends and stay there during the summer or 1158 01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:29.359 spring break whenever I was out of school or whatever. And my bedroom was 1159 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:33.600 on the very end, and there was one single window in my bedroom that 1160 01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:39.680 was next to my bed on the end of the trailer. And I had 1161 01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:45.920 this dream that there was something at the window, and I got up and 1162 01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:48.840 looked out the window and there was a big foot standing there and its hair 1163 01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:56.399 growing up. Whenever I know talk about this dream, because it was so 1164 01:33:56.800 --> 01:33:59.920 you know, it freaked me out. I would refer to it as like 1165 01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:02.199 calico because that's the only thing I could think of, was like a calico 1166 01:34:02.359 --> 01:34:06.439 cat because its hair was different colors. It wasn't like a uniform color. 1167 01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:14.479 And I mean, whenever I had this dream, it had to have been 1168 01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:21.039 like geez, dude, I may it was maybe nine years old. So 1169 01:34:21.279 --> 01:34:27.199 here I am all these years later and I can still see it just as 1170 01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:33.199 vivid as when it happened. Uh. And this bigfoot was just standing there 1171 01:34:33.239 --> 01:34:41.840 outside my window and it bro and it like there was these woods, okay, 1172 01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:45.720 Like the front of our trailer faced this big, huge pasture, a 1173 01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:48.239 big open field, and then on the other side of the field were these 1174 01:34:48.279 --> 01:34:53.600 woods. And I'd go exploring the woods all the time as a kid. 1175 01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:58.920 That's what I call it, going exploring. And this bigfoot pointed at the 1176 01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:02.600 woods and then motioned for me to follow it. It like motioned for me 1177 01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:09.159 to come outside, and I was like no, you know, and I 1178 01:35:09.279 --> 01:35:13.119 like pulled the curtain shut. And that's whenever I woke up from the dream. 1179 01:35:14.960 --> 01:35:19.720 And people make fun of me that I've told this story too, that 1180 01:35:19.880 --> 01:35:27.960 know it because in my head, for whatever reason, the Bigfoot had a 1181 01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:31.680 name that sounded like David, but it wasn't David. It wasn't the name 1182 01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:38.239 David, but it like maybe day Fit or something like that. I don't 1183 01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:43.239 know, but I just remember that particular That's amazing, man, Like that 1184 01:35:43.399 --> 01:35:46.600 a lot like the motioning thing with the kids here though. Yeah, and 1185 01:35:46.640 --> 01:35:54.000 this was like, I mean, maybe I had the dream because I was 1186 01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:56.840 reading the book, like, I mean, that's what makes the most sense, 1187 01:35:56.920 --> 01:36:01.119 right, But I meant the dreams still with me, man, And 1188 01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:08.359 I'm a firm believer. I'm one of those those weirdos that thinks that some 1189 01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:12.800 dreams are just dreams, and then some dreams aren't just dreams. Oh dude, 1190 01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:17.239 I can that's you know. And here I am, all these years 1191 01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:23.359 later doing Bigfoot stuff, and I mean it's a huge part of my life, 1192 01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:27.079 and I just always think back to that dream as a little kid, 1193 01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:32.279 like what was that exactly? You know, So when you pulled the curtains 1194 01:36:32.359 --> 01:36:36.880 and then you woke up? Was it like, are you sure it was 1195 01:36:36.920 --> 01:36:42.960 a dream? I don't know. I don't know, Okay, yeah, 1196 01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:47.119 because it's because there were some other weird things that happened. Uh, you 1197 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:56.239 know, hindsight right. Uh. Before we got the trailer. Uh, 1198 01:36:56.560 --> 01:37:03.319 we originally bought a boat dock, like an inclosed boat house, and whenever 1199 01:37:03.359 --> 01:37:06.760 we first got it, I mean I was five whenever we purchased that. 1200 01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:13.920 So we would drive up there, but we would just stay in a camper 1201 01:37:13.960 --> 01:37:17.079 on the back of the pickup truck. That's where we would sleep. And 1202 01:37:17.199 --> 01:37:26.439 I remember it was early one morning, like it was still dark out, 1203 01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:32.760 and my grandparents raised me. So I'm with my grandparents, and my grandfather 1204 01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:39.079 is awake, like he's up in the trailer like looking out the windows, 1205 01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:44.359 and he's got a gun with him, but he's not going outside of the 1206 01:37:44.399 --> 01:37:47.560 camper. And I'm just like, what's going on, you know, because 1207 01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:50.560 like I'm scared now, Like my grandpa's up with a gun, you know, 1208 01:37:50.680 --> 01:37:55.039 it's dark out, what's going on? And I remember him saying, 1209 01:37:56.680 --> 01:38:01.920 something's messing with the camper and walking around on the truck. That's all he 1210 01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:09.119 said. And I it seems like I vaguely remember like ask him, you 1211 01:38:09.159 --> 01:38:11.039 know, well, what is it? And he was like, I don't 1212 01:38:11.039 --> 01:38:14.680 know. I think it might be a hog or something. But like back 1213 01:38:14.680 --> 01:38:17.479 then, we didn't have like wild hogs up here like like that wasn't a 1214 01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:23.520 thing yet, huh. And I don't know why he would say that if 1215 01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:28.159 he heard a noise like one or something. He and why would you have 1216 01:38:28.159 --> 01:38:30.800 an how would you be afraid of a while? Yeah, because I he 1217 01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:35.479 wasn't. I mean, like this dude, you know, like raised in 1218 01:38:35.560 --> 01:38:41.279 the woods, hunting and fishing, like he's not afraid of anything. Yeah. 1219 01:38:41.319 --> 01:38:45.640 So it was it was that always stood out. And then like there 1220 01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:49.520 was an incident that actually happened in the woods where I don't know what it 1221 01:38:49.640 --> 01:38:55.600 was. Something took off running extremely fast, like busting through the brush. 1222 01:38:56.439 --> 01:39:00.279 Scared me to death because like I'm at least to half mile in the woods 1223 01:39:00.279 --> 01:39:05.760 by myself at this point. I was probably eleven twelve years old whenever that 1224 01:39:05.800 --> 01:39:14.960 happened. And then years later I would hear about sightings and stuff in that 1225 01:39:15.079 --> 01:39:19.880 general area, huh. After I became a bigfoot researcher, not whenever I 1226 01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:24.279 was like growing up there all the time. Oh wow. Yeah, So 1227 01:39:24.359 --> 01:39:28.199 it's pretty crazy when you were you had like no idea that, yeah, 1228 01:39:28.439 --> 01:39:31.800 no clue, no clue at all. Yeah, because like those old timers, 1229 01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:36.279 like you know, like they did not mess around, like no you 1230 01:39:36.319 --> 01:39:43.279 know. They were tough. Yeah, for sure. Done like in the 1231 01:39:43.279 --> 01:39:48.640 middle of the night, that's that's something something's going on there. Yeah yeah. 1232 01:39:48.680 --> 01:39:51.760 And also not getting out of the camper like that's really weird, like 1233 01:39:53.880 --> 01:39:59.640 yeah yeah, and like yeah exactly. But they were like real stoic too, 1234 01:39:59.680 --> 01:40:05.199 and they and like talk about oh oh dude, my great great grandmother 1235 01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:13.800 saw a bigfoot. Really yeah. She this was like this would have had 1236 01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:21.880 to have been late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, whenever it happened. 1237 01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:30.760 Her and her husband lived in the mountains of Arkansas. They had like a 1238 01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:35.760 cabin and they had some pigs. They were raising pigs, I guess. 1239 01:40:36.439 --> 01:40:42.119 And the story that I was told was that there was a commotion in the 1240 01:40:42.119 --> 01:40:45.560 middle of the night, turned on the lantern, grabbed the shotgun, went 1241 01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:54.479 outside, and as they got out there, they saw a bigfoot like pick 1242 01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:58.079 up one of their pigs, like reach over the the fence that they had 1243 01:40:58.119 --> 01:41:01.600 built, reach over with one on, pick up this pig under its arm, 1244 01:41:02.119 --> 01:41:06.119 and just walk off into the woods. And they didn't buy shooting or 1245 01:41:06.119 --> 01:41:12.600 anything. They just like went back inside, like I didn't see that, 1246 01:41:13.039 --> 01:41:17.640 yeah, yeah, And and this was like I didn't find that story out 1247 01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:25.000 until I had been actively researching bigfoot for like years, and like everybody in 1248 01:41:25.039 --> 01:41:28.000 the family knew it. That's why I found out the story. My uncle 1249 01:41:28.000 --> 01:41:31.279 told me is like, well, you know that your great great grandmother saw 1250 01:41:31.359 --> 01:41:38.720 one, right, Like, uh no, no, I didn't, wild 1251 01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:42.079 yeah wild, Like thanks for telling me. I've been out in the woods 1252 01:41:42.079 --> 01:41:47.439 playing my entire childhood. Yeah, thanks for that. Yeah yeah. And 1253 01:41:47.920 --> 01:41:51.760 that uncle was telling me that story because he was a bigfoot researcher and I 1254 01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:58.119 never knew that either. Really yeah. He Uh whenever I was real little, 1255 01:41:58.199 --> 01:42:02.479 he had joined the Navy. I remember that, and I knew he 1256 01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:06.239 was stationed in Japan, like that's where he served his time in the Navy. 1257 01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:12.520 Yet, but before that, he was in like Washington. I guess 1258 01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:16.399 the Navy had a port there or something. And uh, yeah, he 1259 01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:20.720 got into researching bigfoot whenever he was there and was like going out actively looking 1260 01:42:20.720 --> 01:42:27.039 for them. Wow. Yeah. And I don't remember ever hearing about any 1261 01:42:27.079 --> 01:42:31.760 of that stuff. Like it was an interesting conversation to say the least. 1262 01:42:32.119 --> 01:42:38.399 It's such a it's such a fascinating it's like, you know, it's it's 1263 01:42:38.439 --> 01:42:41.560 good that that we're talking about it because like I had, I kind of 1264 01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:46.600 had hesitations about coming on and probably just you know, telling everybody my insane 1265 01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:51.640 stories. But I kind of like have this philosophy of like we need to 1266 01:42:51.680 --> 01:42:56.239 talk about this thing. So pretty much ever since this stuff started talking, 1267 01:42:56.279 --> 01:42:59.720 I just I would talk about it with anybody, like sitting around the campfire, 1268 01:43:00.239 --> 01:43:02.600 coworkers whatever, Like I don't care you're gonna think I'm crazy, fine, 1269 01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:06.800 but this is what I had, this experience that I had, and 1270 01:43:06.840 --> 01:43:11.199 I'm not ashamed of it, and I think it's fascinating, Like it's way 1271 01:43:11.199 --> 01:43:15.680 more interesting than anything else people talk about. It's like this subject. And 1272 01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:19.159 so ever since all this stuff started happening, like you know, just talk 1273 01:43:19.199 --> 01:43:23.880 about it, and I feel like the older generation, you know, it 1274 01:43:23.960 --> 01:43:28.640 was just so much more stigma about talking about this kind of thing, you 1275 01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:33.920 know. So it's good. It's good that that you're doing what you do, 1276 01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:40.279 and I certainly appreciate it. Well, I wouldn't be doing what I'm 1277 01:43:40.319 --> 01:43:44.760 doing if it wasn't for people like you willing to come on here and share 1278 01:43:44.840 --> 01:43:47.680 their story. And I mean, I really do appreciate it. I've really 1279 01:43:47.760 --> 01:43:53.640 enjoyed the conversation and I plan on having more conversations with you in the future. 1280 01:43:53.680 --> 01:43:57.319 Man, So thanks for coming on. Oh my pleasure, my absolute 1281 01:43:57.319 --> 01:44:01.079 pleasure. Matt, thank you so much. And if you've had an encounter 1282 01:44:01.159 --> 01:44:05.159 with something you can't explain, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. 1283 01:44:05.239 --> 01:44:09.640 If you get a chance, check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. 1284 01:44:09.680 --> 01:44:14.439 You can find links to the social media, merchandise, past episodes, everything 1285 01:44:14.479 --> 01:44:17.880 you need all in one place. And until next time, remember there's something 1286 01:44:17.920 --> 01:44:18.439 in the woods.