WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:27.199 H m. He was cold, cold that he was cold? What's going 2 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:35.119 on up there? Could be the most important event in history? Now I'm 3 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:45.479 the cold despair our worlds, I said. I hope this is close to 4 00:00:45.560 --> 00:01:08.079 him? Is ever again? Hello and welcome to the Tales from a Dark 5 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:11.319 Podcast. I'm your host Bob here with my co host Brittany. Hey, 6 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:15.719 guys, what's up Brittany, how's it going today? Don't sounds so disappointed? 7 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:19.040 Well? I was hoping it was going to be someone else. Okay, 8 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:21.959 get in here, small cat, get in here, speaking a small 9 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:23.560 cat. I might put this up either in the group or on Patreon. 10 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:30.239 But last night I was recording a video audio and there was this like extremely 11 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:34.280 graphic part that I had to record regarding a death, and then all of 12 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:38.640 a sudden, small cat just starts screaming, bloody murder. Just a scar 13 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.680 raman outside the door. This cat is so dramatic, and I don't know 14 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:48.040 where he learned it from. As I'm staring a hole through Brittany, that's 15 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:49.719 a daddy's boy out there. You know where he learned it from. He's 16 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.680 a good boy. He's just a little on the chunky side. No, 17 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.319 But with that being said, I'm really excited about today's interview because I've talked 18 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.560 about this on the show time and time again. The show taps the og 19 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:07.040 ghost Hunters was such an instrumental part of making Tales from the Dark in a 20 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.159 very weird, in divertent way. Had it not been for TAPS, we 21 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:14.159 wouldn't have Tales from the Dark. Very true, and so getting to sit 22 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:16.199 down with a member of the Ghost Hunters team, Brandonnalys, it's something we've 23 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:21.560 been working towards for about a year. I think, off and on and 24 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.000 we finally get it to line up, and I honestly can't wait. Miss 25 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:27.479 Britney, I can't either. Why don't we give him a call? Then 26 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:30.800 let's do it, all right, Miss Britney. So we're doing by Brandon 27 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:34.199 Alvis. Brandon, how are you doing, sir? I'm doing very well. 28 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:36.280 Thanks for having me on. This is great. No, absolutely, 29 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:38.360 thanks for thanks for coming on. It's been a while. We've been talking 30 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:42.360 off and on for like what the last like nine ten months. We finally 31 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:46.439 got our schedules to a line. That's right. Absolutely. It seems to 32 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:50.639 always work out that way, doesn't it. Yeah, it's been a crazy 33 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:53.560 past year. And a half actually two years. So no, it's great 34 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:54.280 to be on here with you guys, and again thanks for having me on. 35 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:58.280 No. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, So let's just jump right into 36 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:01.000 it, Brandon. So, we have Haunted Discoveries that's premiering October sixth on 37 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:05.039 T and Is it T plus E or t andy? How do how do 38 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:07.639 you pronounce the network? Yeah? Like T and E like any So T 39 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:12.120 and E gotcha? Okay, So can can you walk us through why T 40 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:14.240 and E is the network? Choices? I know there's you know, there 41 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:19.159 couldn't have been like many that didn't want the new Haunted Discovery show for their 42 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:22.599 network? Why ten E over like you know, like History or something. 43 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:24.800 Well, you know, TV is a great network. Um. You know 44 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:29.280 a lot of people here in the United States would know their work from a 45 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:31.879 lot of the Eli Ross shows Eli Roth that goes through in My Life, 46 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:38.479 also a Hotel Paranormal that was actually narrated by Dan Ackroid. They also do 47 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:42.319 Haunted Hospitals, a bunch of really great shows that a lot of people see 48 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:46.240 here in the States on Travel Channel and Blue ant Media who run that. 49 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:52.039 Uh love the show. We like their work and it was a great place 50 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:54.520 to start airing the show, but we will have some more for domestic and 51 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:58.560 more in the United States coming soon, so it won't be the only place 52 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:00.639 people can see it, Okay, perfect, So you kind of touch on 53 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:02.919 it a little bit there. But where is the network available? Is it 54 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:06.680 a streaming service? Is it a television channel? Where can folks watch the 55 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:11.479 show? So it's a television channel in Canada, So it's going to be 56 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:15.439 airing in Canada starting October sixth, but it's also going to be available in 57 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:19.160 the UK, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand on Haunt TV, which is 58 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:27.240 available as a streaming platform across to be across LGTVS, Roku, all those 59 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:30.560 different outlets. So and it'll also be on Haunt TV in the US in 60 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:33.480 the coming future as well. But again we will have more when it comes 61 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:38.399 to domestic in US broadcasts here in the coming months. We just aren't able 62 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:41.560 to say it quite yet, but it's coming for sure. Awesome. So 63 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:46.079 how often I know you're recording season three, you're editing season three already? 64 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:48.360 How often our new episode is going to come out for our domestic folks? 65 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:53.839 So that depends, you know, I can't give exact details quite yet, 66 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:58.439 but season one is eight episodes, season two is twelve episodes, and season 67 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:01.600 three is another twelve episode and so it's thirty two episodes in total. So 68 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:05.399 starting here on October six with T and E, it's gonna be the first 69 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:10.240 eight that's going to run through what they call Creepweek, which is very similar 70 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:14.680 to Ghost Ober here in the States with Travel Channel. So we'll see how 71 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:16.160 it goes domestic, but I would imagine it would be very similar where the 72 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:19.439 first season will be the eighth and the twelve and the twelve. So we're 73 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:21.319 excited about it. Man, it's been a lot of fun. No, 74 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:26.279 absolutely, it's it's been someone I've been following pretty consistently. And I said, 75 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:29.800 we kind of met through weird circumstances, which is kind of how the 76 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:32.279 pair of community works. No one really meets each other directly these days. 77 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:35.759 It's like a friend of a friend in a group knows somebody and that person 78 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:40.879 happens to be Brandon Elvis and you kind of get connected that way, right, 79 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.560 So absolutely, so walk me through. So I know you did the 80 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.360 book Elements of a Haunting, where I want to discuss this a little bit 81 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:51.680 kind of directly here. I know you went through six of your most How 82 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:56.480 did you choose the six locations that you discussed and elements of a haunting? 83 00:05:57.240 --> 00:05:59.480 Well, you know, it was some of the cases that must stop. 84 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.399 Aget Al and I worked on any ghost centers that we did with Graham Wilson 85 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:08.480 back in twenty nineteen to twenty twenty and twenty one, So it was the 86 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:11.680 cases that we worked together. We did twenty in total, but there were 87 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:15.279 six particular cases that really stood out when it came to not only the historical 88 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:19.439 aspect of these locations, but also the data perspective and some of the most 89 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:25.879 mind blowing finds we had when it came to paramul photon theory and environmental changes 90 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:29.560 within places that are said to be haunted. So it really came down to 91 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.160 the data, but also this rich history that's associated with these places, which 92 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:40.079 we always believe that that historical foundation, in that historical context leads to what 93 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:44.079 we call the elements of a haunting. Gotcha see, it's it's a very 94 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:46.120 interesting. It's it's got to be difficult though to you know, out of 95 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:50.319 twenty plus cases, to choose just six. So I can't imagine that that 96 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:54.360 selection process was easy, but I know in the book you also go over 97 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:59.120 your like the ethics. Can you kind of walk us through because we talked 98 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:00.160 about it on the show here quite a bit. We talked about it when 99 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:04.360 we did our documentary Phantom Farm. How we approach a location that has such 100 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:09.000 troubled history and a troubled past. How do you do that with a larger 101 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:12.759 crew because with Phantom form ittless just five of us and two of the five 102 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.199 that we're both in the documentary we're also filming. How do you approach the 103 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:20.040 ethical standpoint with a large camera crew. We know, you know, respect 104 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:24.519 is key first and foremost, as you guys know, so going into any 105 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:28.000 location, I mean, we have to keep in mind that these were people 106 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:30.959 and if the theory is correct that you know, energy is neither created nor 107 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:35.600 destroyed, and cautiousness does survive death. These are still people just in another 108 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:40.199 form, if that's what we're communicating with, but again we don't know exactly. 109 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:43.839 So it's all about respect, and it's all about going in and honoring 110 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.399 these people for who they were. Depends on the case. Obviously, you 111 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:50.680 have different circumstances for different types of history. But it's always about going in 112 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:56.439 and showing respect to the historical context and to the history associated with the place, 113 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:01.720 and you have to keep that respect in life with the entire crew, 114 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:05.360 from anyone that's an investigator on camera, to a cameraman, to a sound 115 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.959 person, to whoever it is. They need to understand that it's something bigger 116 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.680 than just a show or bigger than just a documentary. So again, a 117 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:18.199 respect is key, and ethics standards and protocol is something that I think most 118 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:24.240 investigators should know about and hopefully utilize within their own investigations. Well, kind 119 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.720 of building off what you were talking about with the energy theory that energy cannot 120 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:33.360 be created nor destroyed, the people that you bring into a place also can 121 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.679 leave an imprint of their own energy, their own feelings, their own impressions. 122 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:41.200 So it's I think that's very valuable that you bring that to the table 123 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:43.919 saying, hey, this is what we're dealing with, this is what I 124 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:48.600 expect you to do, and the standard that you hold them to, because 125 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:56.440 it really is key in my opinion, to keeping it not only just being 126 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:58.639 a good person, but also keep it scientific. If you have everyone on 127 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:05.440 a base slign it makes evidence more plausible and less interfered with absolutely. I 128 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:07.600 couldn't agree with that more than such an important point that you make. You 129 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:11.799 know, one of the big things that we've been studying that we're covering in 130 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:18.759 Haunted Discoveries is the idea of thought form manifestation and how someone's belief can impact 131 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.879 said haunted place or what people believe or perceived to be a said haunted place. 132 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:28.159 Right. So we heavily explore what's called the Kentucky anomaly in this show, 133 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:33.840 and in Kentucky and parts of also Tennessee and parts of Virginia as well, 134 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.600 there is a gravitational pool that's higher here than anywhere else in the world. 135 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:45.200 And actually in the nineteen seventies NASA studied it and they actually coined it 136 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:50.360 the term the Kentucky anomaly. So here you're in a place that's very interesting 137 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.799 when it comes to the gravity is a bit stronger here than anywhere else in 138 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.279 the world. You have all kinds of different things here like calcite and the 139 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:03.159 ground limestone, all these things that can create the piezoelectric effect, right, 140 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:07.919 And then you have someone that goes into a place that has a certain belief 141 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:11.440 system and is projecting that into their own environment. How does all of that 142 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:16.320 come together to create what we perceived to be a haunted place or perceived to 143 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.320 be ghosts. So that's one thing that we have really studied heavily in this 144 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:24.120 new show with Aunt of Discoveries. And again going back to telling the crew 145 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:28.200 that and having them understand what we're in there to do is a huge important 146 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:33.919 factor within the investigation and within documenting that for a documentary or for a show, 147 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.080 absolutely now to kind of go along with that. I don't know if 148 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.440 you know this random, but I'm I'm from western North Carolina, so I 149 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:45.799 grew up in the Appalachian Mountains. My family goes through all the hollows down 150 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:52.519 there. So how much Appalachian culture actually influenced I don't want to necessarily say 151 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:56.279 you're evidence, but just the history aspect that you found while you were in 152 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:01.200 rural Appalachia it was big. You know. Actually, with season three that 153 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:05.879 we just got been filming a couple of months ago, we were in Appalachia 154 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:11.080 for an extended period of time. We were down there for over two weeks 155 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:16.279 just in one specific area, looking into not only the culture but the belief 156 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:20.840 system out there. And you have so many people that carry this generational belief 157 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:26.039 of things like Branny magic or these holistic ways of living their life that's very 158 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:31.600 much tied to spiritualism in a way, their own type of spiritualism. But 159 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:37.399 that's something that people in those areas still strongly believe and still is part of 160 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.639 their five of their being and five of their culture. And there was a 161 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:45.840 lot of things that we were told about, certain historical events associated with that 162 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:50.360 belief system that we ended up collecting some pretty impressive data associated with it. 163 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:54.000 So it was a phenomenal experience. Well, I know that we are actually 164 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:58.279 friends with Tony Felosi, and so I hope I can say this, but 165 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:03.000 that you spent quite a bit of time and Harlan Kentucky, Is that correct? 166 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.679 That's right. I love Harlan Kentucky. We spend so much time out 167 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:13.279 in Eastern Kentucky in general, but Harlan will always have a special place in 168 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:18.600 our hearts, especially considering the fact that when we first went to Harlan or 169 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:22.399 Eastern Kentucky in general, we ended up meeting Tony on the county line and 170 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:28.759 he took us and gave us a private tour basically Harlan and the mine shaft 171 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:33.200 and everything. So what was your impression of Tony and the folks down there. 172 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:37.799 Did you learn anything that you might not have known before that was completely 173 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.799 surprising to you? Oh, historically, we learned so much. I mean, 174 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:45.720 Tony was a wealth of knowledge. I mean the guy really, let's 175 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:50.360 be honest. I'm telling you. It was just insane to have him take 176 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.840 us through these areas and us for you know, us spend so much time 177 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.080 down there, and he was there with us every step of the way. 178 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:01.639 He helped us book all the locations, helpless book a lot of the interviews. 179 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:03.399 I mean, he was there for every part of it. And he 180 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:09.279 was there for some actually really big discoveries that we'd made historically and things that 181 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.360 he knew about that was kind of oral legend for a long time, I 182 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:18.720 mean his entire lifespan, and we went out to try and find some of 183 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.480 these things, and we actually made a huge discovery that is going to be 184 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.519 part of that portion of the country's history now. So I can't say too 185 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:30.240 much about that now, but it was amazing to have Tony there and for 186 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:33.519 him to tell us these stories, and then for us to go out with 187 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:37.039 you know, scientists and with people from other technical industries to help us try 188 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:41.639 and uncover some of these facts, and we were very lucky to be part 189 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:43.799 of that. It was it was amazing. Yeah. I cannot wait to 190 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.080 us because I know one of the locations you went to. We're not going 191 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.399 to give anything away. I had some stuff happened that was completely unexpected, 192 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:56.399 and I want to see how many of my experiences came through and seemed to 193 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:00.960 be repetition in that part of the country, especially Eastern Kentucky. It's such 194 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:07.960 a vast wealth of paranormal, high strangeness, UFO activity, cryptid activity, 195 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:13.240 you name it, it's any Eastern Kentucky. Yeah. But I do want 196 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:18.440 to ask you about your classification system because I'm very critical of a lot of 197 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.960 things. So I wanted to give you a chance to kind of explain what 198 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:24.320 is this classification system that you use for hauntings and are we going to see 199 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:30.399 that and hard discoveries or maybe expanded upon. So the classification system that we 200 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:33.960 have adapted is a collection of terminology that bates that dates back all the way 201 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.919 to the eighteen hundreds, with you know, groups like the London Ghost Club 202 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:43.639 and these researchers that have been doing this for some of them almost two hundred 203 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:48.960 years. And this is again terminology that's been used by people like Hans Holzer, 204 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.960 going back to the London Ghost Club, Emily Peach, all of these 205 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.919 people that have laid this really great foundation of what we know today is you 206 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:00.320 know, the research of ghosts and hauntings. And I feel like to this 207 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:05.360 point in time, people really haven't used that terminology in any capacity. Right. 208 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:07.240 You go to a place, people say, oh, it's a residual, 209 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.720 it's intelligent, or it's negative, or you hear the same thing over 210 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:13.960 and over, which has kind of been put into people's minds by the TV 211 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.960 shows over the years, right, But a lot of people haven't gone back 212 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:22.519 through time and really looked at some of these researchers that are really not as 213 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.919 known and to see some of the amazing work that they've conducted, not only 214 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:30.720 with a historical aspect, but with also with going out and trying to collect 215 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:35.360 evidence and data and to try and catalog these different types of phenomena. So, 216 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.399 you know, we've worked with doctor Harry Kor for a number of years. 217 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.360 He's the first person in history to receive two PhD simultaneously and any discipline. 218 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:46.799 One of the first things that him and I talked about over ten years 219 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:50.240 ago was that if we're going to look at this scientifically, you can't just 220 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:56.159 start going into the data collection process and this process and say, hey, 221 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:00.799 look it's a ghost. You don't go to a zoo and say you saw 222 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:02.960 a bunch of animals, right, You go to a zoo and you say 223 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:07.039 you saw lions and tigers and bears. So the classification system is based on 224 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.600 other terminology that we've kind of compiled. It's something that very much sticks to 225 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:17.840 the historical context of the things these people have catalogued that also go perfectly in 226 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:22.120 line with the historical accuracy of these locations. So I want to just kind 227 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:26.639 of jump in because I love that answer, because I was very nervous when 228 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:33.039 when you hear something like a haunting classification system. I'm very concerned in the 229 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:37.000 way that the current pair of community and the and the landscape is going that 230 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:41.960 we're putting things into boxes, and we're separating groups a little too candidly, 231 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.440 and we're writing off certain things that might be attached to the broader scope of 232 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.399 high strangeness. So to hear. It's not just saying well, this is 233 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:52.960 a ghost and this is a holler ghost here that it's it's we're adapting this 234 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:56.440 over hundreds of years of parallel investigation, going back to the ghost club. 235 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:57.919 That makes me a lot happier because I thought I was going to have a 236 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:03.240 very uncomfortable versation of like, hey, isn't it dangerous to trying but something 237 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:07.880 as broad as a paranormal experience or a paranormal happening into certain classifications, But 238 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:14.119 they heard explained. That makes me even more excited for hunted discoveries. Yeah, 239 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:17.240 no, absolutely, You know again, it's all about the foundation that's 240 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:19.799 been laid before us. Again within this research, as you guys very well 241 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:25.200 know, we don't have all the answers. We're not exactly quite sure what 242 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:27.799 we're dealing with. So to go back and look at hundreds of years of 243 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:33.480 research in other people's beliefs and to adapt that into our own and try and 244 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.400 expand upon that. I think it's very important now to kind of go off 245 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:41.759 of that. Do you guys leave room whenever you're doing this research, do 246 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:45.640 you leave room for let's say, for lack of a better term, evolution, 247 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:52.359 You know, if we're thinking about ghosts and spirits in theory, without 248 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:59.079 the confines of genetics and our own materialistic body, they could, in theory 249 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.799 go through evolution quite a bit faster than us. Do you leave room for 250 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:11.440 that kind of scientific discovery or thought bubbles or thought process Absolutely, of course, 251 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:14.039 you know, we have to be open to that, right, I 252 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:17.400 mean, the idea of evolution within itself. I mean, we would be 253 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:19.519 crazy to think that this is what it is, this is how it works. 254 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:23.200 I mean, we would be you know, just not doing the research 255 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:26.599 properly if we thought that way. And again, you know, for instance, 256 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.400 like one big aspect of our research we've been doing for a number of 257 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.880 years is testing what we call the parable photon theory, and that's going to 258 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:38.359 these places that are said to be haunted and trying to document photon events with 259 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:45.240 the EMCCD camera and also trying to correlate that with environmental changes that are mainly 260 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.039 you know, what we've seen in the correlation. We've seen is huge pressure 261 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:53.440 changes when these photon events happen. And so we've been able to document various 262 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:59.480 photon events and huge pressure changes in these various locations throughout the country and what 263 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.279 does that mean. We can't say it's a ghost, but we are seeing 264 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:07.519 again that correlation in these said haunted places. We are documenting photon events and 265 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:12.160 pressure changes. How does that relate to what we perceive to be paramlel phenomena. 266 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.759 That's what we're trying to figure out. And that's one thing that doctor 267 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:19.440 Harry Cloor has been working very closely with us on. Okay, would you 268 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:23.079 be able to explain the photon events a little bit further because I'm not totally 269 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:27.039 familiar with that method I think Bob is, but also in case any listeners 270 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:32.240 aren't familiar with that method either, Yeah, absolutely so. Photon events are 271 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:37.440 light events that carry electromagnetic radiation that are not seen by the human eye. 272 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:41.400 Typically not seen by the human eye, typically studied by NASA when it comes 273 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:47.440 to telescopes and black hole theory. One of the last things to die before 274 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:52.279 a black hole starts and it starts to become a black hole is photons, 275 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:56.079 and those photons start to die within the black hole. And that's a whole 276 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:59.920 another story that doctor Clor could talk about with way more knowledge than I can. 277 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:03.759 But so basically, in a nutshell, photon events are light events that 278 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.079 typically aren't seen by the human eye. And again, how that relates to 279 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:11.799 what we perceive to be ghosts and hauntings, we're not quite sure. But 280 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:15.799 when I reached out to people like doctor Klore and other various professionals from technical 281 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.519 industries, and I said, from your point of view, if I was 282 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:22.160 to go into a said haunted place and I wanted to document hard data, 283 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:26.519 what's something I would document. And one of the first things that was thrown 284 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:29.720 out at me was photon events. And it's something that we've been working on 285 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:33.440 now for about four years, almost five years, and we've had some pretty 286 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.480 interesting results and collected a database of really interesting data that's been looked at by 287 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:42.279 doctor Klore and others, and we're trying to figure out exactly what it means. 288 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:48.720 Very interesting because I'm always excited to bring in the scientific methodology and to 289 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.240 something like parent one investigation because it's it's been interesting because ten years ago, 290 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.759 fifteen years ago, when I started, you were the crazy person for being 291 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.000 a paralm one investigator, and now you're getting phdu Lettle scientists that are willing 292 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:04.319 to not only have a discussion but be an integral part of the investigation. 293 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:08.359 So how do you think that that change kind of came apart? I mean, 294 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:12.680 naturally with pop culture it was kind of more widely accepted, but this 295 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:18.519 change happened very very quickly. Yeah, you know, I think, well, 296 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:21.480 if you think about it, you know, some of the most brilliant 297 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:27.039 researchers and scientists and scientific minds the last you know, five hundred years, 298 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:32.480 I mean, Isaac Newton was heavily involved in his belief in the afterlife. 299 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:37.200 Nicola Tesla as well, even Einstein talked about, you know, the afterlife 300 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:41.839 and the thought of idea of ghosts. Excuse me. So, I think 301 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:45.440 there's always been an interest from the scientific community. I think it just wasn't 302 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:48.599 as public as it's starting to become now. You know, you start to 303 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:51.720 see a lot more people that I think, again, like you mentioned, 304 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:56.720 with the the reasearchs pop culture in the shows, I think it's brought people 305 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:57.880 kind of out of their shell a little bit to talk about it a bit 306 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:02.880 more and maybe maybe even start to correct some of the wrongs that have been 307 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:06.200 done and shown on some of these shows. But again, I think there's 308 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:08.799 always been that interest from the scientific community, but I think they're just a 309 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:12.400 little more open to showing their face and being part of it. Now, 310 00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:18.200 have you or anyone close to you when making these shows, are doing this 311 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:23.480 investigating or researching. Have you ever faced any persecution for your beliefs or for 312 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:30.559 even looking into ghosts or even investigating in the first place. I personally have 313 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:34.599 not. Again, I'm very skeptical when it comes to this type of research. 314 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:37.880 You know, I don't believe one way or another. And that's you 315 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.240 know, since two thousand and six I've been doing this. That's when I 316 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:45.960 founded the American Parambal Research Association and I got involved in this, you know, 317 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.599 in this research because I lost a brother to cancer and a brother to 318 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:52.960 suicide. So for me, it was always about the idea of consciousness surviving 319 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:59.319 death and something I jumped into and started doing for many years now. But 320 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:03.079 I personally have not based that. I know Mustafa who's on the show, 321 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:07.279 he was very religious at one point in his life, and he may have 322 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:11.319 had more of that than myself. But you know, there are times where 323 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:15.440 you do get a bit of feedback or a little bit of bite back when 324 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:19.359 it comes to the paranormal community where you start to talk about you know, 325 00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:23.160 scientific methodology, you start to talk about, you know, being rational and 326 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:26.799 protocol and ethics and stuff like that. I felt like I've gotten more backlash 327 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:32.480 from talking about things like that rather than you know, people from various belief 328 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:37.519 systems. I love that you brought that up, because there is the harshest 329 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:41.279 critics seem to be other paranormal groups that have their own set of core belief 330 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:45.480 systems on how an investigation is supposed to be done or how you're supposed to 331 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:51.000 conduct yourself as a quote unquote professional investigator, which to me, I love 332 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.039 making fun of that because we are not. None of us are professionals in 333 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:56.000 this field. We are doing the best we can. No one's experts. 334 00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:59.200 Yeah, no one's an expert in this field. Now, yeah, some 335 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:03.000 people might be more were prepared than others, But I think calling yourself an 336 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:06.799 expert paranalmale investigator, that's one of the quickest ways to get me to not 337 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:11.759 take you seriously because you're at the end of the day, we're all students. 338 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:15.319 Yeah. So I want to talk Kentucky for a moment, cause I 339 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:18.200 know you just moved there. How has it been different for you moving as 340 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:23.400 a PARENTALM investigator from coast to coast has Kentucky like welcomed you in because I 341 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:26.519 feel like when we go through Appalachia, we got through the heart of Appalachia. 342 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.079 One thing that we've learned is we have to learn how to ask questions, 343 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:33.559 because if you can't go to a town and say, hey, have 344 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:37.160 you seen anything weird here, because they'll say no, absolutely not, but 345 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:40.960 then they'll continue with telling you about the seven UFOs, the three big Foot, 346 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:44.640 and the Sasquatch that comes to birthday party because it's not weird for them. 347 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:47.319 I know it's kind of a loaded question, but what are your thoughts 348 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:49.319 on Kentucky in general and just being in this part of the country as an 349 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:53.559 investigator that you know, like you said, you know, high strange is 350 00:24:55.000 --> 00:25:00.000 part of everyday life here, which is completely opposite of where I was born 351 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.000 raised in California. Right, Yeah, people in California that claimed to be 352 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.839 spiritual, but it's in a totally different sense, right And here you have 353 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.480 different you know, belief systems when it comes to religion and things like that. 354 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:14.279 But like you said, like you can talk to someone like, oh 355 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:17.680 no, that's not strange. But I had a seven foot tall creature in 356 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:19.759 my backyard. You know, it comes every Thursday or whatever. You know 357 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:22.960 what I mean, It's like it's wild, you know, it's it's amazing 358 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:29.920 to see such rich culture and history associated with high strangeness, like you guys 359 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:33.000 said, and it's just part of the fabric of this part of the country 360 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:37.319 and specifically Kentucky. No, absolutely, I mean, when you get to 361 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.640 the mainmoth case system, the quartz deposits, the limestones, the lay lines, 362 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:44.759 Kentucky seems to be this hot spot that no one was really talking about 363 00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:47.880 until a couple of years ago. I mean, we have some books that 364 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.240 go back, like we're talking Weird America. We're talking the older books of 365 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:55.480 the sixties. We kind of know Avalache has been known as that weird location, 366 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:59.519 but it was kind of left untapped because they were secretive for so many 367 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:02.039 years. Yeah, and well that's something that Britney and I have had to 368 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:03.359 deal with and I kind of wanted to see. Have you had to kind 369 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.480 of gain the trust of locals, because I know you said you had Tony 370 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.640 walking me through a lot, and Tony's a great you know, he's gonna 371 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:12.680 open the door. But without Tony, do you think you would have gotten 372 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:18.839 as far as you did in say Harlan, Kentucky specifically. Absolutely not, 373 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:21.960 Yeah, definitely not, because we would try and do kind of man on 374 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:25.079 the street stuff. I mean, not filming people per se, but just 375 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.359 going out and talking to the town right and trying to be like, hey, 376 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.359 so you know, we're here investigating this location. What have you heard 377 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:34.079 about it? Have you heard stories about it? People get kind of closed 378 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.480 off. I mean you initially walk up and people are very warm and welcoming 379 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:42.119 and we'll talk about their recipes or what beer they're drinking or moonshine with you 380 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:47.039 all day. But once you started asking those those questions about caramel phenomena, 381 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.640 it does people seem to get kind of closed off. But again, like 382 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:53.839 you said, Tony is a perfect example. We didn't have Tony in Harlan. 383 00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:57.400 It might have been a dead end, but you know, again, 384 00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:00.400 having someone to get our foot in the door and bring us through and introduce 385 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:04.519 us to all these people that he's very comfortable with is known his whole life, 386 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:07.880 and there was that trust factor that was there. So that was very 387 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:12.400 beneficial to our research when we were down there. But here in Louisville specifically, 388 00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.559 it's a bit different because you have places like Waverley Hills, right, 389 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:21.720 you have Old Louisville where there's more of an openness to talking about that kind 390 00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:25.720 of stuff, And especially in Old Louisville, this is a very kind of 391 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:30.519 rich community down there, one of the largest collection of Victorian and Gilidge guilid 392 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:34.240 Age buildings in the country. That every house you go to, these homeowners 393 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:37.279 are like, oh yeah, my house is haunted, and they'll just talk 394 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.799 to you about it for hours. So it's pretty weird just to see in 395 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:44.880 such a small state as Kentucky, you go from Louisville down to a place 396 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:49.160 like Harlan that it's a bit different. I think one thing that we've learned 397 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:55.519 from not only watching shows like Hell You're which had a big part portion that 398 00:27:55.559 --> 00:28:00.799 was filmed in eastern Kentucky or other shows, there is an impact once those 399 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:06.039 shows are released. I do think there is an impact on the smaller community, 400 00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.599 whether it be positive or negative. And when you go to a smaller 401 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:14.759 community in Appalachia that's had to rely on themselves, that have their family traditions 402 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:19.880 that they pass down from generation to generation outsiders, you are viewed as an 403 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:26.279 outsider but it's fur their protection because in the past they have had very severe 404 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:32.359 retribution not only their other community members, not only from their religion their beliefs, 405 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:37.160 but also from government officials and things like that. So the Appalachian culture 406 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.160 well very welcoming. They have to protect their own because they have been through 407 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:48.880 so much trauma, and unfortunately with that trauma did come the rise and high 408 00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:53.039 strangeness in my opinion, and it's definitely caused a very rich culture down there. 409 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:56.160 So I think that's one of the big portions and reasons why you would 410 00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:02.480 see such a big difference between Louisville and Harlan. Oh, yeah, that 411 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:04.640 makes perfect sense, you know. And one thing with this specific project with 412 00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:10.039 Hunter Discoveries that you know, history is a huge part of this show and 413 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:14.160 we're trying to get you know, the factual, you know, the historical 414 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:18.880 factual documentation in the fact straight with these locations, some of which have hundreds 415 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:23.319 of years of not only superstition, but just stories that are just not true. 416 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:27.359 And so history and historical context is a huge thing for us on this 417 00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:32.279 show, and specifically with Harlan and us being down there, we were very 418 00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:37.480 much talking about and covering the Harlan County War and the Union Wars and and 419 00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.359 the coal mines and talking to people. One man that we talked to was 420 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:47.519 actually alive for those events and was there and solid. He would walk to 421 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:51.839 school and have to walk over bodies from some of the skirmishes that happened during 422 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:56.000 those Union Wars. So it was very nice to actually talk to them and 423 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:59.039 not only about, you know, the paramoul phenomena side of it, but 424 00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:03.119 the historical reality of these things and for them to they felt really comfortable to 425 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:08.119 kind of talk about that story and may they were comfortable with us and making 426 00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:14.000 sure that we got the historical context correct and kept true to what actually happened, 427 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:18.599 because there's so many different types of documentaries and even shows that are on 428 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.359 today that cover Harlan and cover the coal mines and cover the Harlan County War 429 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:30.440 that painted in such a negative light and don't really show the full accuracy of 430 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.000 the historical context and what really happened. So that was a really amazing experience 431 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:38.200 to talk to people that were some of which were alive for those events, 432 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:42.759 but for those people to really talk about their history and really setting to the 433 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:47.839 record straight when it came to the coal Mine Wars, and I can tell 434 00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:52.000 you from my perspective, I can't speak for them, but I really appreciate 435 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.359 the effort that you would put into a project like that, in that effort 436 00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:59.880 you have put into this project for that reason, because they did have something 437 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.640 to lose. I mean, they may have lost family members, they may 438 00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:07.160 have lost history, they may have lost knowledge in that unfortunate time, and 439 00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.200 that is a huge deal for me. So I say thank you for doing 440 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:19.559 them justice and serving that history and preserving Yeah, it was an amazing experience. 441 00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.799 And again, like that's one huge thing for this show. You know, 442 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:27.400 obviously the research is there, and we have our theories and our ways 443 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.759 of collecting data and trying to share that with the rest of the community. 444 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.759 But when it comes to history, you know, we're not there to interpret 445 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.920 that. It's not our job to tell those stories. It's the stories of 446 00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.680 those people, in the stories of the people that live within those communities. 447 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.599 So that's very important to us. No, absolutely, And I love the 448 00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:52.319 idea of placing history at the forefront because that's something that's kind of a lost 449 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.599 art, especially in modern paranal investigation television shows. Because I've told this story 450 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:01.480 a thousand times on the show, But I grew up on you og taps, 451 00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:07.079 where my first investigations were literally knocking on people's doors saying, hey, 452 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:08.759 do you have a ghost? I'm here to help. I'm here to help 453 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:12.759 you with your ghosts that you may or may not have. But one thing 454 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:17.000 I always took away from those older episodes was how much I was inadvertently learning 455 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:22.359 about these locations and how much how like I know, they did the Ohio 456 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.880 State Reformatory very early on, and I learned so much about the State Reformatory 457 00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:29.519 that when it came up, and because I'm from Ohio, when it came 458 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.680 up in school, I was already very familiar with the Ohio State Reformatory. 459 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:37.640 And then there seemed to be this fall where it was less important to have 460 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:42.759 historical accuracy in the entertainment junction took over where it was no longer who had 461 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.039 the best put together show, that had the best evidence. It was just 462 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:50.680 who was the most entertaining for that thirty minutes or that one hour of airtime. 463 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:53.759 Yeah, that's the sad reality of it. And you know, with 464 00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:57.720 this show, like I always say, and like I told the crew when 465 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.720 we first started doing this. Is the central character of this show is the 466 00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:07.599 location and the historical significance of that location. That's the central character. So 467 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:12.400 I hope people can take that away from from Hana Discoveries when they watch it, 468 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.759 is that we're it's almost a history show disguised as a paranormal show. 469 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:19.599 In a lot of ways, it's a lot of fun and there's also some 470 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.599 very you know, MythBusters moments, not only from the history aspect, but 471 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:28.000 also the paramoral side of things and the techniques and the way that we conduct 472 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:31.119 our research. But again, first and foremost, the location is the main 473 00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.880 character in this show, and I hope people see that for what it is, 474 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:37.440 and I hope people learn some things along the way. That's that's the 475 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:42.039 big baal. Now. That makes me very happy. So let me ask 476 00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.480 you personally, because you said you're kind of on the skeptical side, do 477 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.319 you have a profound or amazing experience that comes to mind when someone says, 478 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.359 hey, what is your drive for doing this? With the exception what we 479 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.000 talked about earlier, but have have you had that like aha moment of ay, 480 00:33:55.640 --> 00:34:00.960 there's definitely something more to us just standing around the dark and telling history 481 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:06.200 not quite yet. You know, I've had I've had some moments where I've 482 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:12.880 collected data that have had you know, no other professionals from technical industry scratching 483 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.400 their head. But it's not an answer though, you know. It's it's 484 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.880 something that they're like, well, I don't know what that is, which 485 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:22.760 is interesting. It keeps you going, it keeps the research and the fuel 486 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.960 alive for the pursuit of it. But I have not had that moment that 487 00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.280 made me say there's something far more to this, you know. Again, 488 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:35.320 it just goes stems back from the death of my brothers and just the overall 489 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:39.880 curiosity of consciousness surviving death. And that's really the biggest thing for me, 490 00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:44.519 even hopefully, you know, the longer I do this, and hopefully seven 491 00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:49.440 another seventeen years from now, as I continue, I have that moment and 492 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:54.960 we are very sorry to hear that you went through that. Oh it's you 493 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:58.440 know, as a young kid, I was eight years old when my oldest 494 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:02.679 brother passed away, and eventeen when my other brother committed suicide, and it's 495 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.559 it's a moment in your life that you'll never forget, and it's a moment 496 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.400 that trans transforms you as a person, and it's led me to where I 497 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:15.159 am today, and I think that it's you know, it's it's opened my 498 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:20.679 mind in ways that I never thought it would. So it's a it's interesting, 499 00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:22.360 definitely from a research point of view, but it's also interesting just from 500 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:27.880 a life point of view and in growing up and trying to learn about things 501 00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.400 that we all are going to have to face one day. Right, That's 502 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:34.199 the ultimate unifier is death. That's one thing we're all going to have to 503 00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:37.039 face. No, absolutely, and and that's a very beautiful way to look 504 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:42.800 at it too. So I do like your answer there that you haven't had 505 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.480 it yet, you're still looking for it. And it's very interesting because we 506 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:50.920 did the documentary Phantom Farm and we can't what I believe to be the most 507 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:53.280 captivating evidence that I've seen in modern times. And it's not just because we 508 00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:57.480 produced it, but it's because I was there. I was in the hallway 509 00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:00.079 when it happened. And I've had the question, Okay, so you're done, 510 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:04.599 right, like you've proved that this exists. I don't have an answer. 511 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:09.559 I don't know what exists. I know that something extremely unexplainable happened, 512 00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:13.400 and that's it, but I don't have the answer for what that thing was, 513 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:15.199 and that is my driving factor as well. So it's very interesting. 514 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.119 So we talked to a lot of paranormal investigators who their only goal is to 515 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.880 catch that holy grail. I want the full bodied apparition, so I get 516 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.400 the million views on YouTube that's the end goal, or I want the EVP 517 00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:30.599 that definitively says I'm a ghost and I'm here to stay. But there's more 518 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.440 to it than that, and I think that's the side of paranormal investigation that's 519 00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:38.920 often overshadowed by the entertainment aspect of oh, this is just fun and it's 520 00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:43.239 a fun thing to go out and do as a group. So it's very 521 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.920 interesting to meet someone else that kind of has that same same mindset when it 522 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:52.079 comes to investigating. Well, it is fun, you know, first and 523 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.599 foremost it is you know, some people are out there thrill seeking, some 524 00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:58.519 for adrenaline rushes, some for answers, and it's you know, it is 525 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:00.280 fun. It can be a lot very boring at times, as we all 526 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:04.800 know. But you know, it's kind of a dark, macabre thing we're 527 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.679 doing out there. If you think about it, it really is old places 528 00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:14.159 with tragic histories and trying to communicate with that tragic history and these people. 529 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:16.519 But you know, like I always said, like I wrote an article a 530 00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:23.079 couple of years ago for llewell and Worldwide that talked about how parable investigation a 531 00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:28.039 lot of ways is almost brief therapy for people, right is, Like, 532 00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:30.800 you know, a lot of people I've met over the years have lost a 533 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.800 loved one and that's kind of been a driving factor for them to get interested 534 00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:38.119 in this kind of research, And in some way they're working through that grief 535 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:45.320 by going out and trying to encounter the unknown in some strange way. I 536 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:50.039 do feel like a lot of people are called to paranormal or high strangiss in 537 00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:53.159 one way or another. But I do have a question for you that's kind 538 00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:59.239 of an itch in my brain since we started. How far down the rabbit 539 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.760 hole do you when it comes to other things in high strangest, when it 540 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:08.159 comes to uphology or cryptids or the multiverse or anything of that sort. I 541 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:13.840 know that's kind of a loaded question for me. I've always I've always remained 542 00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:19.920 in the ghosts and haunting space. Obviously, I read about cryptozoological stuff. 543 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.960 I read about uupology everything from you know, I can go into you know, 544 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.880 interdimensional stuff. I mean, we could talk about all the string theory 545 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.639 whatever. It's stuff I read about and enjoy. But as far as you 546 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:37.199 know, researching and dedicating time too, I've always stuck with ghosts and hauntings. 547 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.159 Not because I'm not interested in those other things, but I feel like 548 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:45.239 that's where my time should be dedicated. I'm not sure why I feel that 549 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:50.280 way, but it's always the way i've felt. Absolutely. Has there been 550 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.320 anything that you've come across in those other fields, in the other research that 551 00:38:53.360 --> 00:39:01.519 you may be doing, that clashes or collides with paranormal investigation, Absolutely, 552 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:05.559 you know. It's it's something that's been brought up before, especially when we 553 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:09.760 take data to other people, you know, other professionals from technical industries, 554 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:14.639 be though that engineers, medical doctors, scientists, whatever they may be. 555 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:16.840 And that's something that has been brought up and brought to our attention before. 556 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.920 Was hey, if you thought it could be this. But of course when 557 00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:22.880 we present that data, we're not saying like, oh we think it's a 558 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.679 ghost or we think this is what it is. It's more of what's your 559 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.599 professional opinion on what this is this is the exact technology was captured on. 560 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:36.599 Here were the environmental conditions associated with it, This was a scenario, here's 561 00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:39.280 the information. What do you take from it? So that has been brought 562 00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:44.320 up to me in the past. You know various scientists I've worked with over 563 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:49.239 the years that have brought up interdimensional type of things, and they go deep 564 00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.480 into the whole string theory and all kinds of stuff, and they've talked about 565 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.480 stuff that just goes completely over my head because I'm nowhere near as brilliant as 566 00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:59.480 they are when it comes to understanding those things. But again, yeah, 567 00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.880 it's something that has been brought up, and it has been thrown at us 568 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:07.920 and our organization as a possibility to what we've been documenting. Very interesting. 569 00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:10.440 So I know you have to go out. I know you have another interview 570 00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:14.960 right after this one. But I do have a couple kind of rapid fire 571 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.119 questions that are you can feel free to skip them, so it might be 572 00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:21.559 a little bit more difficult to answer than others. But what are your personal 573 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:25.360 pet peeves in the paranormal community, rather that be television shows or just like 574 00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:29.960 group hunts that go out on the weekend, or do ghost tours, bad 575 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.119 equipment, garage tech. And again, we don't know what is right or 576 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:37.519 wrong in this research. There are no experts. We're not sure. But 577 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:42.559 if there is a specific piece of equipment made to find a ghost, it's 578 00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.559 typically not good first and foremost, and second off, it's going to be 579 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:52.920 flawed, flawed methodology, and completely riddled with false positives. And that's the 580 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.199 same thing goes for apps saying yeah, same thing. Oh yeah, just 581 00:40:55.320 --> 00:41:00.559 saying I love that answer because I've got like a pseudo engineering degree and taking 582 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:07.119 you apart ghost hunting equipment and telling people why it's nonsense. Um, you've 583 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.440 ruined so many hopes and dreams. We give emails all the time where it's 584 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.400 like, hey, bomb, I bought this pieces of equipment, so then 585 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:15.480 of course I have to buy it. I have to take it apart, 586 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:17.880 and I have to say, yeah, here's the repeater that's giving you that 587 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:21.840 that that false positive, this is why it doesn't work. And I'm so 588 00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:24.119 sorry because in a lot of cases it's like, hey, my mom passed. 589 00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:28.239 I bought this piece of equipment to communicate with her. This is her 590 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.960 and I'm like, I hate to be that guy. But from a technological 591 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:36.400 standpoint, this is designed to make you think it's your mother, and it's 592 00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:40.559 unfortunate. It's almost like a pariah concept that some of these uh and typically 593 00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:43.800 like you know, you have your ghost stops, your people that are a 594 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:45.360 little bit more above board, i'd like to say, But then you have 595 00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:50.159 a lot of people on Etsy, eBay, Facebook marketplace is a big one 596 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.280 where they're selling stuff that they know doesn't work. But if it gets you 597 00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:58.400 and it gets you quote unquote evidence you can show to other people, it 598 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.960 just helps their business. And that's a horrible business practice across the board. 599 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:07.079 Now, I've become very jaded with all the new equipment coming out of the 600 00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:10.199 last three or four years because all of it we're just repeating the cycle of 601 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:15.159 nonsense. In my opinion, Yeah, I couldn't agree more with that, 602 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:19.440 and that's why we try and do our best with our research to adapt technology 603 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:24.920 from other industries. Right is not utilizing ghost hunting technology quote unquote technology say 604 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:30.280 that air quotes, but you know, like again like using the NCCD camera, 605 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:35.920 you know, photon intensive fires devices made by Kestral that are used by 606 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:39.320 the National Weather Service to document environmental conditions. Things like that that not only 607 00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:45.159 give us hard data, but can be analyzed by professionals that use these pieces 608 00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.000 of equipment every single day. No, absolutely, I am one team bring 609 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:52.159 barometers back to ghost uns. That's been my thing. I have been telling 610 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:58.800 people ask bobuld buy a barometer by an antique three hundred pound barometer and carried 611 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:01.599 around with it, because it's more likely going to give you actual like results 612 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:06.800 in details. So I said a couple more quick questions here and this one. 613 00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.000 I know it's loaded. The Satanic panic. It is still alive and 614 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:14.519 well in twenty twenty three, and I have been preaching this for the past 615 00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:17.599 two and a half years, longer than that. But on the podcast, 616 00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:21.599 you'll say two and a half years, how do you feel this as being 617 00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:25.079 exacerbated by paranormal cruse social media television. I know, I know it's a 618 00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:30.280 loaded question, but it's very important, especially when you have a new television 619 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.000 show coming out that someone might say, oh, this is just the same 620 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:36.760 thing. Brandon Elvis is just doing the exact same thing and spreading the Satanic 621 00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:42.800 panic. Well, first and foremost certain shows on television made that a fat 622 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.840 I think that the conjuring films were a really bad influence. I think a 623 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.920 lot of the Warren's research was a bad influence on this field. It's not 624 00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.679 a popular opinion, and I get a lot of flacks from that saying that. 625 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:59.039 But they were very religious based right within their research, and I think 626 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:05.039 that's a dangerous line across when we're trying to uncover the unknown and uncover the 627 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:08.719 supernatural. Is when you bring a belief system into that and you start to 628 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:13.159 project that belief system onto other people, I think that can be a very 629 00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:16.480 dangerous line across. I also think that a lot of the shows have taken 630 00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:20.639 that and ran with it, and it's become a format, and it's become 631 00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:24.480 a foundation, and then YouTube and social media is just riddled with it, 632 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.400 and a lot of people say, oh, you know, it's it's it's 633 00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:31.000 being, it's there, and people are doing it because it's popular. I 634 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:34.599 don't really think that's the case. A lot of the TV numbers, at 635 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.599 least show otherwise, a lot of those shows that talk about constant negativity and 636 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:43.360 demonic phenomena and all this kind of stuff, which is every single case for 637 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:47.199 some godly reason, who knows how. But the numbers have dwindled in huge, 638 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:52.679 huge ways over the years. But again, I think that anytime we 639 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:59.440 bring a religious or belief system into this type of research and you project that 640 00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:02.960 onto other people, it can be a very dangerous thing. One man's alien 641 00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.920 is another man's angel, As good old John Keel would say, everyone takes 642 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:12.440 it. Yeah, I love that answer, But you do have to come 643 00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.280 from a state of neutrality, yes, and it's very difficult to do so 644 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:20.400 while also trying to be entertaining. But also, I've said it before Fear 645 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:25.159 Cells. One of my favorite negative reviews in our documentary was there wasn't even 646 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:29.480 a jump scare. This woman was a demon, and it's like, hang 647 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.519 on a second, we are we're crossing some blurred lines that we never even 648 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:36.920 drew in the first place. Where the hell did this come from? We're 649 00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:38.440 on Earth, You're on Jupiter, man, where are you right now? 650 00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.400 It's pretty wild out there, you know, it's it could be crazy. 651 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:52.079 But I think that you know, historical accuracy, proper methodology, and teaching 652 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:55.480 moments can be equally as entertaining. I mean a perfect example is a show 653 00:45:55.519 --> 00:46:00.320 like MythBusters, right That show went on for how many years because they were 654 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:05.239 just teaching what was scientifically, you know, factual and what wasn't right. 655 00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.880 So I think it could be very entertaining. I just has to be done, 656 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.000 I think in the right way, and hopefully that happens in the future. 657 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:13.840 Now, I do love that you brought up the Warrens, because I'm 658 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:20.320 on record of saying as important as they were for the acceptance of parental investigation 659 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.360 into modern times, they were equally damning and damaging, if not more so. 660 00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.559 And it's something that people don't need, they don't seem to grasp, 661 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.599 is that there was a lot of religion and a lot of things that were 662 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:36.000 just accepted as factual because the Warrens said so. And we're finding out now 663 00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:38.840 in twenty twenty three not only are we looking at like historical and accuracies, 664 00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:44.039 but also exaggerations were very common. But to say they weren't important, I 665 00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:47.400 think is that that's going a little bit germinal. But you have to It's 666 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:51.679 one of those things where it's like sunburn is very important because it tells us 667 00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:53.760 we're getting over exposure in the sun. It doesn't mean it's a good thing, 668 00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:57.360 but it's important for us to know. I think you have to kind 669 00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.840 of treat the Warrens like a Sunburns as much I hate to say that. 670 00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:04.800 Yeah, I couldn't agree more with that. And again, it's not to 671 00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.960 diminish their entire body of work or anything like that. I'm not who am 672 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:09.719 I to say that, you know what I mean? I wasn't there for 673 00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:13.480 it. I don't know, but I do know the impact that it's had, 674 00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.679 and I believe that it's done far more harm than good. Yeah. 675 00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:21.519 So one last question, and I know my fans are cruci find me if 676 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.480 I didn't ask on a network television side, have you ever been pressured to 677 00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:32.400 fake or exaggerate evidence or a finding for the sake of entertainment. I have 678 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:36.559 been very lucky to not have that happen. You know. When I worked 679 00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:38.920 with Any's Ghost Hunters, and I worked with Mike Nichols, the executive producer 680 00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:44.960 of that show, and Any Craig Polligion, they never once put me in 681 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:49.800 a position to make things happen. And when I was brought on to do 682 00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:54.679 that show, Mike Nichols and everyone on that production team wanted me there for 683 00:47:54.719 --> 00:48:00.000 that reason because they knew I wasn't that guy and they wanted to make sure 684 00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:05.480 or that there was someone to represent that not everything is a ghost, right. 685 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:07.239 They really like that. So luckily, with you know, ghost Centers, 686 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:12.679 I never encountered that, and then luckily with Haunted Discoveries, I'm directing, 687 00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:15.760 producing, and editing the show, so I get to say what I 688 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:17.480 do. So it's nice. Yeah. No, And That's why I was 689 00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:22.320 so excited about Haunted Discoveries because I'm like, look, we're gonna know if 690 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.119 something seems a little out of the ordinary and this, you know, these 691 00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:29.119 seven things happen in rapid succession, we have some questions. So I was 692 00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.480 very excited that that's about you guys chose to go. But the last thing 693 00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:36.320 before we go, you are going to be at the Tennessee Hanson Legends Expo. 694 00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:39.000 Is that correct? In October? Yeah? With Mstopic gatl Or, 695 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:42.400 we'll be there. Yeah, we'll see us too. Yeah. So we're 696 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.559 gonna be there. We're gonna be showing our film Fantom Farm. I'm very 697 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:49.079 excited to meet you. But before we go, Brandon, where can folks 698 00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.599 find Brandon Elvis find Haunted Discoveries? Can you kind of bring it all back 699 00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:54.400 into a nice little bow for us? Yeah? Absolutely, can go to 700 00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:59.039 my personal website, Brandon j Alvis dot com. You can find all my 701 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.280 social media there and we'll be posting as everything comes out. We'll be having 702 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:07.119 some exclusive trailers coming out here in the coming months, and then more news 703 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:12.440 about a domestic release and other releases throughout the world and again. So October 704 00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:17.159 six, nine pm Pacific and Eastern on TNE, Hanted Discoveries is going to 705 00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:22.440 be kicking off Creepeek. We're very excited about that. UK, Ireland, 706 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:24.400 Australia, New Zealand we'll be seeing it around the same time, but we'll 707 00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:29.159 also have more news coming soon where other countries can see it as well. 708 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:31.679 Perfect. So you mentioned posting trailers, is there a YouTube channel, a 709 00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:37.960 Facebook group where can people find these upcoming teasers and updates. You can find 710 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:42.119 that on Facebook with just going and type in Honed Discoveries you'll find the Facebook 711 00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.039 like page. We also have an Instagram Hontered Discoveries TV, also a Twitter. 712 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.760 Awesome. We appreciate it so much, Brandon, thank you for coming 713 00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:52.480 on the show. I said, it's been a long time coming. I'm 714 00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:53.800 glad we get a chance to sit down with you and I'm excited to see 715 00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:58.639 you in October thanks for having me on Guys look at Poor to Menia. 716 00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:04.000 Thank you, Brittany. Not only was that fun, but it was also 717 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:07.559 a breath of fresh air. No, absolutely, that was that was really 718 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:08.599 good. That was really really good. Yeah, I was. I was 719 00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:12.480 getting a little nervous at the end because I had to ask the question about 720 00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:15.559 fake Network TV because we talk about it so much here on the show on 721 00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:20.400 Patreon. We had to ask. Yeah, we had to ask, and 722 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.599 I'm glad he was honest about it. I mean, Brandon seems like a 723 00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.119 great guy. Can't wait to meet him at the Tennessee Hauns and Legends Expo, 724 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:28.480 which I will post in the Facebook group. Tickets go on sale end 725 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.400 of July. I know that tickets were people were kind of concerned about ticket 726 00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:35.400 sales. I think they're like ten bucks. Yeah, they're very inexpensive. 727 00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:39.159 I'm very exciting because this is our first real outing as a podcast. Yeah, 728 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:42.679 it really is. You know. The worst thing about it is gonna 729 00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.360 we have to you know, wit to travel Tyler Terry. That's the worst 730 00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:47.280 thing. If we're being honest here, we're gonna be lucky if we make 731 00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:51.679 it down to Nashal bet No. I'm definitely excited. That was a lot 732 00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.639 of fun. And it's interesting to meet another scientific mind in the paranormal community 733 00:50:54.679 --> 00:51:00.159 because apart from yourself and like three other people, it is getting if you 734 00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:04.679 were in farther between where it's people are too focused on the gimmicks and the 735 00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.400 entertainment, not as focused on the results in the answers. And so it 736 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:10.400 was nice and I could kind of see your little scientist nerd brain just like, 737 00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:15.760 oh, just a spinning let me ask you more about photons. You 738 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.119 know, it was a great time. And Bill the science guy comes out 739 00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:22.960 of the background. That would be that would break paranormal entertainment if he had 740 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:27.159 someone called him right now. I know, I know one of you guys 741 00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:30.199 has this phone. Um. So, with that being said, Miss Brittany, 742 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:32.119 unless there's anything else you would like to add, I think we have 743 00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:37.639 to add this episode of Our Strange World with Brandon Elvis to our never ending 744 00:51:38.360 --> 00:52:05.960 but are always growing Tales from the Dark m