WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:06.599 Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do 2 00:00:06.679 --> 00:00:14.400 for your country, mister Gorbachev, tear down this wall. It's the Ricochet 3 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:18.039 Podcast with Rob Long and Peter Robinson. I'm James Lylyx, and today we 4 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:27.039 tackle the question is it time for the ivys to die? Last night when 5 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:36.560 you taught Columbia University is open support for Kamas holding signe say doc dougrigade your 6 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:42.240 next target point day, do it today. So here you have it. 7 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:47.840 America is a nation that can be defined in a single word. How's the 8 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:53.320 foot him? Excuse me? Welcome. It's the Ricochet Podcast, number six 9 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:58.159 hundred and eighty nine. I'm James Lilys in drizzly Minneapolis. Rob Long is 10 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:00.759 in Gotham, and Peter's in California. And I guess in all three of 11 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:07.239 these locations they're characterized by some you know, something akin to discord on the 12 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:11.439 campuses. Quite extraordinary. What we've been seeing this week quite extraordinary. And 13 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.519 I think the people who were saying, well, it's going to be great 14 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:17.120 because Trump's going to dominate the tray. Everybody's going to look at the Trump 15 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:22.840 stuff people are seeing on display. A segment of the left that well, 16 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:26.719 we've been seeing for years, but really hasn't been this emboldened, this nasty 17 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:30.200 in some time. And it's not going to end soon. It's going to 18 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:34.000 spill over into the convention and another zesty summer of love is coming up. 19 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:37.319 Guys, looking at this, what do you say? I know, of 20 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:40.079 course that these people are not anti Jewish at all. No, it's just 21 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:44.719 a matter of being anti Zionist, a very very specific designation and distinction that 22 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:56.120 we must respect or not. Rob Peter, I'm I'm a little you know, 23 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:00.480 it's a little late to keep saying that. I'm shocked. I am 24 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:02.840 still shocked. I was in my office the other day, actually, I 25 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:07.079 was meeting somebody for a cup of coffee on the Stanford campus and in the 26 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:12.080 background I heard a great racket and some music being played, brass instruments being 27 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:15.960 played very badly, and that usually means it's a Stanford marching band on the 28 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:19.560 way to a football game. I thought, wait a minute, it's wrong. 29 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:23.199 It's spring. And I turned and it was a parade and there were 30 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:31.319 Palestinian flags waving and placards being held aloft and it's all right there. And 31 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:36.080 then as I returned home. I happened to pass a couple of fraternities and 32 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:39.879 a couple of the fraternities, or excuse me, this is complicated. Here 33 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:44.199 on the Stanford campus. There are only a few real old fashioned fraternities left. 34 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:46.080 Now there are theme houses. I guess these were a couple of theme 35 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:54.319 houses that had Palestinian flags draped from the windows. And there as I passed 36 00:02:54.319 --> 00:03:00.080 the Hillel House, there's a Stanford cop at the Hillel House. So it 37 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:07.639 is all it's disconcerting to see it flaring up all over again. I thought 38 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:14.280 that, at least with regard to this one campus here in California, things 39 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:17.479 had died down, that there was a flare up on October seventh, but 40 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:24.159 things had been quiet, and now it's not quiet. And I just don't 41 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:31.280 understand how Stanford students now some of the people in the parade, many of 42 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:35.000 the people in the parade may not have been Stanford students, But those theme 43 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:38.479 houses were on Stanford, the Stanford campus, and they're lived in by Stanford 44 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:46.080 students. How can they understand so little about the history of the twentieth century. 45 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:51.680 How can they understand so little about the twenty first century of the history 46 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:54.680 of the of the Middle East, of Israel and the surrounding area. And 47 00:03:54.800 --> 00:04:00.199 you cannot understand the history and chant from the river to the sea. You 48 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:03.400 just can't. So I don't. I don't. It's none, none of 49 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:06.879 this is even computing. But it just it is more than disconcerting. Well, 50 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:12.360 you certainly can't if you wish that history had turned out differently. Rob, 51 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:15.399 Yeah, I mean, I actually feel like this is divorced from history 52 00:04:15.399 --> 00:04:23.759 and divorced from what's happening. It's it's emotional craziness that you you you know, 53 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:29.079 they this is a unfair cherry picking, but they did. I saw 54 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.319 a video of these young women in Nyu, not that far from where I'm 55 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:38.040 standing right now, a couple of blocks, and they were protesting something, 56 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:42.759 and some of what are you protesting? You know? They said Gaza or 57 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:47.040 something? Oh, what's what's happening there? We don't. Why are you 58 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:55.360 protesting NYU? And I don't. I don't really know. And then she 59 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.000 looked to her friend like can you help me in for Yeah, you know, 60 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:00.600 I'm not as educated on that as a S should be. You know, 61 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:05.000 we're here in solidarity. So we came from Columbia to our friends and 62 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:10.920 nyun so we're here to solidarity. I mean, these things kind of have 63 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:14.639 their do they develop their own life. It's like I'm protesting this thing I 64 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:16.680 don't really care about her know much about, and then the university is like 65 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:20.240 complaining about it, and then that is why I'm protesting. I'm protesting because 66 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:29.959 you're against it. And it's this kind of this very strange, coddled generation 67 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:36.120 that is that it's not their fault. Here's my position, it's not their 68 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:44.319 fault. Their teachers were almost to the to the person's sixties radicals, the 69 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:46.720 sixties sippies grew up to work, go back right back into the academy and 70 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:51.439 be the professors and now their tenured professors in schools, and they have been 71 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:58.959 teaching and high schools and they have been teaching them these students. This incredibly 72 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:04.160 mythic view of the nineteen sixties, this heroic myth that students protested and they 73 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:09.639 ended a war. It was a bad war, and student protests ended it, 74 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:15.360 which is just not true. It was a bad war, that's fair, 75 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:19.519 and students protested, that is also true. They did not end the 76 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:24.959 war. That is a historically completely inaccurate. Point the last American left, 77 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:28.480 I think because I got in nineteen seventy five, almost six seventy four to 78 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:33.759 seventy five. In nineteen seventy two, after at least eight years of student 79 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:42.879 protests, the country voted in a landslide for the candidate who was not going 80 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:46.319 to was not going to leave Vietnam without peace with honor, wasn't he? 81 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.720 He was against you know it, Nixon versusmc govern. MC government's going to 82 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:53.399 leave McGovern was the choice of those students. They did not have an impact 83 00:06:53.480 --> 00:07:00.720 on the foreign policy at all. What they did was they dispersed over the 84 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:04.959 years and they went into teaching high school and college, and they produced a 85 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:11.759 generation that now comes from Columbia down to NYU to protest a thing they don't 86 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:15.040 know what they're protesting for, to show solidarity for people who they don't understand, 87 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:19.519 to argue about a part of the world that they do not They could 88 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:26.639 not locate on the map maybe or the key events on a timeline, but 89 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:30.399 they know that they can participate in this drama because their teachers were to participate 90 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:33.600 in the drama, and because all the cultural stories about the sixties were all 91 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:41.759 about how great the drama was this is self dramatics of the most sophomoric, 92 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:46.560 sophomoric but empty kind, because they say this for the SDS, or say 93 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:47.959 this for what's his name, and you know all those guys say this for 94 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:51.000 the hippies. They kind of they they'd been raised in the fifties. They 95 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:55.240 went to actually schools of taught American history. Now they may have been distorted 96 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:59.439 by the time they got there to college, but they were They were a 97 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.800 lot more formed about America's role in the world and about the dangers of the 98 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:07.360 world than the generation today, although they were not effective. So you know, 99 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.160 maybe anyway, that's my rant is now over a new thought for me, 100 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.079 which is now maybe forty eight hours old. But as somebody said something 101 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.759 on my Twitter feed and I thought, oh, actually that's right as well, 102 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.199 every word Rob said about the teachers. But you know what it's also 103 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:33.320 involved here the admissions offices. They chose these students. You know, these 104 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:39.440 students wrote pat little essays about how socially concerned they are and how they had 105 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:46.440 protested this or done that social activism in high school. They chose these social 106 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:54.120 activist nit wits. Columbia has the students it chose well. I mean, 107 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:56.600 there are many things here. You have to feel sorry for the students at 108 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:01.879 NYU because unlike the people who have the nice green velt, the big swath 109 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.360 of lawn on which they can pop up their tents, which all look alike 110 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:09.200 and all come from somewhere. When I was in college and we're gonna, 111 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:11.879 if we're gonna protest, I haven't the faintest idea of what we would do 112 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.639 Tentwise, we would probably go over to Midwest Mountaineering and pool our money and 113 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:18.919 get maybe one, you know, pop up that we could all fit into. 114 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:24.960 But the profusion of tents that just appear place by place by is almost 115 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.000 as if there's some sort of network of NGOs. That's funny good Anyway, 116 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.000 the poor students at n YU don't have a mall, a green space because 117 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.919 NYU is just slotted into a whole bunch of buildings to the square. So 118 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.919 you got to feel kind of bad for them. But secondly, you're right, 119 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.519 yes, this is, as Rob said, the process of the long 120 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:48.519 march of the people who very comfortably, very wonderfully attach themselves like lampreys to 121 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:56.320 these great institutions and found for themselves money sucker, intellectually wise from the rest 122 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:58.559 of their peers a place to get, you know, respects, and the 123 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:03.360 rest of it hallowing at an institution so that they can preach against it, 124 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:07.840 but by themselves living every single measure of a comfortable life. That's the product 125 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.559 of Western academia. Hypocrites, the lot of them, and intellectually bankrupt people, 126 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:18.000 morally bank socially, emotionally bankrupt, people who are still wafting on some 127 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.039 cloud of self regard that they that they first conjured up in the sixties. 128 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:26.240 From the seventies, I say, it's communists, men in hell with it. 129 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:30.759 But as for the students, right, we have valorized the protest at 130 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:35.759 the point where just about any the very act of protesting itself sanctifies whatever it 131 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:37.759 is you're doing, and whatever it is you're protesting, unless you're marching around 132 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.960 with the tiki tours wearing khaki pants, in which case you have you know, 133 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:45.360 you're the worst person ever in the world. We have Charlottesville times ten 134 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.840 all over the country when it comes to not just ionized Zionist activity, anti 135 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:56.159 Jewish act, specifically stating things that are beyond the palein American discourse, freedom 136 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.120 speech, yes, of course, but go back to poland go back to 137 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:07.240 Blorus saying that of American citizens who are of Jewish descent and faith is anathema 138 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:13.080 to the culture and is as anti American as you can possibly get wrong. 139 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:18.799 It's absolutely wrong. An expulsion out of follow from what I think kind of 140 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.440 sounds like hate speech. I don't like hate speech things, but that's the 141 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.200 term they're going to use, and those are the banishment from society is going 142 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.440 to be the price that you pay for it. According to the left, 143 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:31.799 Well, then I'm one of those American guys who say, let's apply all 144 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:37.879 these laws equally. But it's what what what galls me? With so many 145 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:46.200 things galled me obviously, and not that beaut But for some, for some 146 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:52.200 people, the sound of mass rhyming chanting makes their blood rise and their spirits 147 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:58.399 sore. I find it absolutely contemptuous, and I find it a substitute for 148 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.399 thought and a tribe chance that indicates that you not that you've thought through the 149 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.200 issues, not that you have a grasp on the issues, but that you're 150 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:11.279 part of an organism that spontaneously arose in order to perform this dance for everybody 151 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:15.639 else to show that you're on the right side of things. And I think 152 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.559 it's almost back to silent majority. I think most people when they look at 153 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:24.000 this, a lot of people who are on the left center left, do 154 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:30.440 not feel the same sort of exultation when they hear id FKKK all the same 155 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.919 They don't, and they may maybe the silent majority of the next election. 156 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:41.440 We don't know, but I I just have an instinctive revulsion to it. 157 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:45.159 It's the sound of everything crumbling, and we went through it in twenty twenty 158 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:48.759 and we're gonna hear it again. No. I mean, I guess what 159 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.720 sort of interesting about it to me is the idea that it's kind of reflexive. 160 00:12:52.879 --> 00:13:01.200 The I guess the theory is, and this is actually up ultimately a 161 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:05.039 sort of a problem disconnect in society, which is that the theory is if 162 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:13.639 you're a student, is that you're told if you're successful or you're the winner, 163 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.960 something must be bad. You did something, you stole something, you 164 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:22.519 know. I have an argument some of my very pro Israel Jewish friends about 165 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:30.000 whether October seventh, whether they're facing an existential issue here, existential problem, 166 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.480 existential crisis for Israel. And my point is of course no. No, 167 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:37.960 The answer is no. Israel has had now eighty years, a very very 168 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:43.879 focused, very effective leadership. The security of the state of Israel is not 169 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:46.759 in question. It is militarily maybe it was unprepared on Cover seventh, but 170 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.399 it is far superior to its enemies. And it has shown time and time 171 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.159 again that Israel is a very is a secure state and not set it's not 172 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:58.600 under attack occasionally, but that they're going to win and they're gonna win because 173 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:03.039 they've been focused on that for eighty years and they've done a really wonderful job 174 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:05.759 doing it, and they that's not a bad thing, it's a good thing. 175 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:11.360 But people are they are made is they are discomforted by that. And 176 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:16.240 the prevailing sentiment among sort of the progressive left is if you're strong and you 177 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:22.799 protected yourself, you're probably a criminal. That if you have built something, 178 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.919 you know you didn't build that, as Obama said, that you probably took 179 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:30.159 it from somebody. And so there is among the left, and I think 180 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:33.080 especially among the Jewish left, this kind of what's happening is a kind of 181 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:37.679 an academic, kind of a break psychological problem, which is like, Israel 182 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:46.080 is a successful state because because it took its security seriously and focused on it, 183 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:52.279 and had a culture and a population that was focused on this great idea 184 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:58.279 of a Jewish homeland that is literally the theme of the Hebrew Bible. Right, 185 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:05.559 that's the theme of the oldest, longest lasting religious text in human history. 186 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.919 So this is a big deal, right, and they took it seriously, 187 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.200 and they are going At no point does anybody think, oh, you 188 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:16.120 know what, Homas might win. They're not going to win, so that 189 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.919 if you're an academic leftist, you're like, well, then then Israel must 190 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:22.240 be evil. It's got to be bad because the winners are always bad. 191 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:26.799 Everybody who wins, you know, everybody who wins a war is a criminal 192 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:31.840 and did a bad thing. And everybody who succeeded somehow took it that we 193 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:35.960 we just don't have. We no longer understand how people got where they got 194 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:39.759 and that they worked hard to get there. And I feel like there's part 195 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.080 of that I see. I see my my Jewish friends who are liberal who 196 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:48.080 are now kind of trying to recalibrate their idea, and I see it in 197 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.960 the culture in general, the idea that if you if you were successful, 198 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:54.480 or if you accomplished your mission and behind where you take it from. Yeah, 199 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.279 I know. That's that's why I haven't fully thought this through with us. 200 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:00.399 You know you're right behind. Every fourth is a great crime. It 201 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.360 is the idea that is it. I agree, that's a profound point. 202 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:11.039 I might modify your view on whether or not Israel is involved in an existential 203 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:17.360 crisis to this extent, it's not a threat to their existence as long as 204 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:23.639 they have us. They need our carrier groups in the Eastern med they need 205 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:30.039 our technology to help them with the Iron Dome and successors to the Iron Dome. 206 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:34.879 They need musicians, they need support, They need us. And that 207 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:45.759 is an interesting matter because here we have the Biden administration scrambling to try to 208 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:56.240 figure out what to do because among many people, in particular Jewish donors, 209 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:00.440 the population of Jews in this country is so small, so two percent. 210 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:06.920 There's really no place where the Jewish vote is going to be decisive. But 211 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:14.279 Jewish contributions, Jewish participation in the democratic all of that matters enormously. And 212 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:18.559 if you look at our friend Andrew Gutman, who's running for Congress now in 213 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:22.240 Palm Beach, is himself Jewish, he's running as a Republican. He's tweeting 214 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:30.640 that he's hearing over and over and over again from Jews in his congressional district. 215 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:33.240 He's campaigning, shaking hands, giving speeches. So he's on the ground 216 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:38.519 at this saying I've been a Democrat all my life. This time I'm voting 217 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:44.279 for you. So you've got one party, the Democratic Party, which among 218 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:52.119 one of its traditional constituencies, isn't doing enough. And then Biden requires the 219 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:57.519 youth vote to defeat Donald Trump. And we know two things about the polling 220 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:03.440 among the young. One is that they are uninterested and bored by this campaign. 221 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:08.400 Why wouldn't they be. You've got one octogenarian, another subtergenarian, But 222 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:15.000 we also have it's this youth vote that thinks the Biden administration is supporting Israel 223 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:19.759 too much. Well, that is the political bind that the Biden administration is 224 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:23.880 couldn't have, couldn't happen to a nicer group. But if you're thinking in 225 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:30.000 terms of is this an existential crisis for Israel, it's a problem for Israel 226 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:34.480 if they don't have the American if they don't have firm support across both our 227 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:40.359 parties. It's just a dangerous position to be in, to have only Republican 228 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:45.960 support, to only to count on Republican support, except that I just mean 229 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:52.640 to say that that the history of the state of Israel is an amazingly triumphant 230 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:59.240 histreys of a people who you know, for thousands of years have had you 231 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:04.200 know, you know how many you know, attempted murder, attempt you know 232 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:11.680 how many, how many attempts to to eliminate them have been barely thwarted, 233 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:18.440 right, and they have a homeland, and and they protected it with incredible 234 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:27.839 courage and strategy and focus and sacrifice. That is, you know, I'm 235 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:34.039 one of the great stories of modern civilization. It didn't come without a price, 236 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:38.839 and it didn't doesn't come without a price today. But it's an extraordinary, 237 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:45.559 extraordinary victory for good over evil that you know, we should at least 238 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.880 celebrate that. That seems to me to be certainly to story, quite a 239 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:52.279 big story. The other piece of it, of course, is that everything 240 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:56.480 changes the day around gets a nuclear weapon, right, everything changes that day 241 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:00.640 they cannot be permitted to get one. And you know what they're saying in 242 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.279 Aman and Riad and Cairo and problem you take it out, go ahead, 243 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:10.279 what they're saying them out, you know, the thank God for these Raelis 244 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:12.640 because they're going to do something about this. I mean, the great is 245 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:18.240 the great secret is Israeli strategy in the past twenty thirty years has been isolate 246 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:22.000 Hamas, drive them to the arms of Iran, make them Iranian clients, 247 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:26.519 make them clients of the Ayatola in Tehran. And then let's see what the 248 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.880 king of Saudi Arabia and the king of Jordan, and the dictator and the 249 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:36.839 dictator in Damascus and the military dictator in Cairo have to say. And you 250 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:40.319 know what they're saying. They're saying, they're looking at their shoes and saying, 251 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:41.880 yeah, well, let's uh. You know, you like that great 252 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:47.160 moment in the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory when one of the kids is running 253 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:51.200 off to do something dangerous and Charlie and Willie Walker is saying, don't stop, 254 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:53.559 don't please stop, Oh no, don't don't touch that button in the 255 00:20:53.640 --> 00:21:00.039 least energetic way possible. That is what the Arab countries are saying to is 256 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:02.720 right now, I'll stop better stop that, don't do that, meaning they 257 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:07.759 want them to go ahead and do it that you know, look it's one 258 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:11.279 way you can look at all this disaster, this chaos is horrible, and 259 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:12.799 warfare is terrible, and you can look at all I think it's just a 260 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:19.279 giant disaster. But in some ways this is a logical outcome, one of 261 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:26.160 the logical outcomes of a strategy that has that was necessary for Israel to pursue, 262 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:32.000 which is to make small, incremental peace with its Arab powerful Arab neighbors, 263 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:34.079 not big piece, a little piece here and there, you know, 264 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:37.559 here and there, starting from really this is a twenty three year process, 265 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:45.960 starting from September twelfth, two thousand and one, and isolate and drive their 266 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:52.680 enemies on the on the ground to the arms of the only agreed enemy in 267 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:57.920 the region that everybody hates, and that's Iran. And Iran foolishly and Moss 268 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:03.440 foolishly fell right into it. Unfortunately, it led to this terrible war where 269 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.039 people are it's a horrible thing that's happening there. But it did clarify. 270 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:15.519 Besides it does it did clarifying the many the posts that I read talk about 271 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:21.759 the the IDF incursion into Gaza is something that just happened for some weird reason 272 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:26.519 which escapes us at the moment, everything was fine pretty much. Oh, 273 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:29.680 Gaza was an open air prison, don't you know. Oh, they were 274 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:33.319 being starved by the Israelis, don't you know? All the Israelis were being 275 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:37.519 so cruel that they actually reduced to five the daily shuttles between Gaza and the 276 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:41.720 hospitals to treat people who couldn't get treated in Gaza. Oh, the genocide. 277 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:45.319 But then something happened, and I can't quite remember exactly what it is, 278 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.680 something to do with parent some guys in parasails. Well that was it. 279 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:53.160 Yeah, some guys, some guys from Gaza were parasailing off the coast 280 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:57.480 and the IDEF shot them down. Because anyway, they don't wave that away, 281 00:22:57.640 --> 00:23:00.680 just wave that away. What matters is, of course, that the 282 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:06.440 IDEF went in and killed thirty three thousand people so far, specifically the number 283 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.400 that comes from Hamas, and Hamas itself is downplay has has said, well, 284 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:11.200 you know, why to maybe twenty three thousand, We don't know, 285 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:12.960 we're kind of checking our records. Why anybody believes that I have from the 286 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:18.359 faintest idea and that they're believed that everybody that Israel has that the IDEF has 287 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.279 killed is a civilian, and preferably a fourteen year old boy with a dewy 288 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:25.559 face or an infant's that's it. I mean, they're not going after soldiers. 289 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:30.519 They're no, they're targeting mothers. They're going after the use the least 290 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:36.400 useful military targets available. Somehow, that seems to be again the assertion, 291 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:41.680 and all of this is an overreaction the idea that a neighboring country, it's 292 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.599 called Gaza country, the Leks, this group to run them. This group 293 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:49.799 has in their charter river to the sea, kill the Jews, death to 294 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:53.039 the Jews, and then the people that they elect promptly go and do something 295 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:56.119 like they did on October seventh, the details of which we'll come to my 296 00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:03.000 mind. And that the proper response to this is to let that government remain 297 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:07.480 in power, is what they're saying. I mean, you can't go into 298 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:11.359 Gaza, you can't go after Hermas. You can do, but perhaps you 299 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.519 could have done something to tip for tat it. So let's just imagine then 300 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:18.519 that the IDEF goes into Gaza and indoscrab. Let's say that they choose a 301 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:23.200 music festival for some reason, and they parachute in and they kill a lot 302 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:27.599 of young people, and they drag the women back and they rape the women. 303 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:30.359 They put it as a matter of fact. They film themselves doing all 304 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:36.720 these various atrocities, and then they drag hostages back to Israel and periodically will 305 00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:41.960 release videos of them with an arm missing, you know, spouting some platitudes 306 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.720 about this, about how they're being treated, and refuse to tell them anybody 307 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.759 where they are and don't release them or maybe one or two of the sord 308 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:52.880 What would the reaction on the campuses be. I think the reaction on the 309 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:59.839 campuses would have been equal in its ferocity to Israel going in and attempting to 310 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.920 routigate, eradicate Hamas once and for all. And perhaps that's the calculation that 311 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.000 they made when it comes to international you know, what were the Jews? 312 00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:11.960 I don't like anything we do, so let's just go do it. And 313 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:15.319 what's more, the idea that going in and having a targeted assassination in the 314 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.839 music festival and dragging people back, that somehow that's that that that is the 315 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:23.440 proper response beggars imagination. There's no way it is. There's absolutely no way 316 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:27.000 it would it would even be conceived of by the government. So that's the 317 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:30.359 strange things like sending in the military to do a military job of killing the 318 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:36.039 guys who are behind this is the war crime. But if they'd just gone 319 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:38.920 in and done a tit for tap somehow, that would have been a tempered 320 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:45.039 response. And I just hear a horn there from that was me. That 321 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:49.119 was that's the that's the that's the city with you, right, yeah, 322 00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:52.319 well, you know the city agreeing with me. I don't know what I 323 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:56.200 see in Colombia's madness. I mean when when I hear students, you know, 324 00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:59.519 we had that video that was released yesterday by one of the leaders of 325 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:04.720 the organized talking about how Zionists do not deserve to live. This is a 326 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:10.079 student on record, student leader that they don't deserve to live and it's all 327 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:11.599 he can do to keep from killing them. And he hasn't killed him yet. 328 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:15.799 And we're supposed to actually applaud perhaps when this guy says that I haven't 329 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:22.880 killed a Zionist yet. It's a nasty, nasty group of people. But 330 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.440 where do they go from here is the question. Let's say they graduate, 331 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:30.279 where do they go exactly? Do they go into the world of business that 332 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:36.279 they supposedly hate so much because the late capitalist hellscape that oppresses everything. Do 333 00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:37.440 they just sort of suck it up and say, well, I'll be a 334 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.759 good voter, I'll be a good revolutionary in my own way, in my 335 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:44.200 own time. I guess I have to live in the system. Or do 336 00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:48.519 they just spread into any more you know, social institutions and governments and urban 337 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:53.119 yeah governments, and charity groups and social groups and the rest of it and 338 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:57.480 continue. I mean, I miss the old day. I missed the days 339 00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:03.400 when the scolds and the reformers were standing on a corner with a Salvation Army 340 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:06.480 band, you know, and being you know, prim and a little bit 341 00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:11.880 puritan as opposed to these endless, endless, tiresome, odorous Marxists that had 342 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:18.440 been devil since that Harry Bastard wrote his book. Ah, I don't know 343 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.200 how to respond to that. I don't know what to I mean, look, 344 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:25.279 what's gonna happen? You said, what's gonna happen? I mean I 345 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:29.240 think what's gonna happen is they're gonna where those kids are going to go into 346 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:36.480 the They're gonna go into teaching. Yeah great, unless I mean, I 347 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:41.160 I had lunch yesterday with old friend of ours, old friend of our, 348 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:48.200 of Bricochets, Andy Kestler, great columnists for the wal Walls Journal, wonderful 349 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.880 guy, friend of I just looked at Peter's face and he was like, 350 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:57.839 really, what's going on there? And he's one of the smartest people who 351 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:03.440 writes these hilariou It's brilliant but also very entertaining, lovely columns on Wall Street 352 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.440 Journal. If you have not read Anty Kessler's columns, you really should treat 353 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.359 yourself. And we're talking about this stuff, and you know, we're saying, 354 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.039 like, well, the only solution, I mean, it used to 355 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.640 be that you'd say, oh, you know what, we need to reform 356 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:21.119 these places. We need to reform these schools. The schools need to do 357 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:22.759 X, Y and Z know. And we're talking about this yesterday. I 358 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:26.759 don't know if he agreed with me, but what I said was no, 359 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.039 No, they need to be replaced. They need to they need to no 360 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.759 longer exist, they need to market beats to squash them out. And we 361 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.119 need to stop treating a Columbia or Yale or Dartmouth or a Harvard degrees if 362 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:41.720 it means meaningful, and that we need to stop referring to that as an 363 00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.440 education, because it's an education is as a specific noun that means something. 364 00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:52.880 Instead it's a diploma, which is a certificate you got. The culture needs 365 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:56.160 to reject it and replace these institutions with new and different and better institutions, 366 00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:02.799 not fantasized about reform them. Rich people in charge, even a rich conservatives 367 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.279 in charge, have a hard time doing that because they went to Harbord too 368 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:07.480 or Yale princident or you know whatever, and they're like, well, I, 369 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:14.400 you know, can't you just fix this bad part about this great credential 370 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.200 that I have instead of throwing the credential out And the answer is no. 371 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:22.079 And I suspect that across the culture in politics too. I mean, look, 372 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.400 I don't know people listening to this that are staunch Republicans, and there's 373 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.839 staunch Trump voters, and there are people listening to other podcasts that are staunch 374 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.680 Democrats and staunch Biden voters. But there's a whole bunch of people we all 375 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.559 know who are in the middle, and there's bigger that number is getting bigger 376 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:40.880 and bigger and bigger that are saying that even people who are going to you 377 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:42.319 know, hold their nose and vote for one of the two clowns running are 378 00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:48.319 saying, how did this happen? Right? How did we get to this? 379 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:57.039 And we got to this because the parties are old and ossified and sclerotic 380 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.960 and they need to be replaced. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth's, 381 00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:07.920 NYU Columbia are sclerotic. The universities are ossified, and they need to be 382 00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:12.359 replaced. We need new brands, new names, new institutions. Is a 383 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:17.200 very unpleasant thing for a conservative to say, because we're supposed to be conserving 384 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:18.599 these things. But you know, every now and then, you got to 385 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.559 throw it all out. You've got to throw the baby and the bath water 386 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.559 out and get yourself a new baby and the tub Peter. You are there 387 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.599 in academia, you see the likelihood of this actually happening, because it seems 388 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:36.240 to me that the institutions that we have seen covered themselves with bespattered with the 389 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.160 feces of their own actions in the last four or five years, is we've 390 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:44.319 watched every single one of them sunder their responsibilities and waste their credibility. That 391 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.400 the only thing that actually replaces these institutions which are still here, still around 392 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:53.960 us, is some societal catastrophe that that that that takes the whiteboard and just 393 00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.599 takes everything off it. And then and then of course you you, you 394 00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.319 turn, you turn to the assembled people and say, well, what do 395 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.680 we write next? That's never good because what they end up writing is some 396 00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:07.319 utopian nonsense that falls apart in bloodshed and the guillotine in about four or five 397 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:12.480 years. So absence some sort of catastrophe that it makes the very concept of 398 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:18.480 Harvard and Yale part of the old and before times, is it likely that 399 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.599 these institutions will be changed? I don't know. By the way. I 400 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:32.119 agree with Rob that Yale must be replaced, but I have some reservations about 401 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:37.880 Dartmouth. Yeah, yeah, and the bath water out ball. So here's 402 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.640 what. Dartmouth has a new president. She's been on the job for about 403 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:47.400 a year now, and after October seventh, Dartmouth responded, is of course 404 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:52.480 I'm paying close attention because I have my youngest child is about to graduate in 405 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.519 a few weeks, and so I'm paying attention to what's happening at Dartmouth. 406 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:01.000 I've all right. They responded pretty well. They put together instead of big, 407 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:06.880 huge protests, the college immediately organized. I believe it was a history 408 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:10.440 professor who understands a great deal about the Arab world, and another professor who 409 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:16.960 understands a great deal about the history of Israel and Judaism, and they had 410 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:23.000 events for the kids to come actually learn things that they couldn't learn on Fox 411 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:29.240 News or CNN. My point is this, this is the moment when those 412 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:36.960 institutions either get it together and reform themselves or at this point, I do 413 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:42.640 believe we're at a decisive moment. Rob will be proven right if within six 414 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.480 months or so we don't see, well, how Yale reforms itself. I 415 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:51.440 don't know, but Harvard has a vacancy in the presidency. Whom Harvard chooses 416 00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:55.960 as the new president will tell us a great deal about whether these institutions. 417 00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.640 When I say these institutions, what do I mean, I'm I mean no 418 00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:05.119 new institution is ever going to have three centuries of history, which is what 419 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.359 Harvard has, or two and a half two hundred and eighty year, which 420 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:12.079 is what Dartmouth has Yale. Yale's the second oldest is I recall, so 421 00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.839 Yale's close to three hundred is a year as well. No new institution will 422 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:21.680 have that. No institution, No new institution will have one hundred thousand alumni, 423 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.680 nor will it have what's the Harvard and dominant. Harvard and Yale are 424 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:29.640 both in the midillions billion. Yeah, Dartmouth is eight billion or something like 425 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:31.559 that, A little small, much smaller. So they have resource, they 426 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:37.799 have they have tradition, they have records of service to the country at least 427 00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:45.279 up until the nineteen sixties. They're worth saving if they can be saved, 428 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:51.200 and we will very soon know. A question for rob Look what happened in 429 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.279 Texas. They tried it in Texas, they got dispersed. They tried it 430 00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:57.640 in Georgia. Oh boy, did they get dispersed. It tried in Florida. 431 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.279 Not gonna fly? Is the question, maybe not to blow up those 432 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.960 institutions, but to somehow manage to transfer the credibility that they have to places 433 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:10.800 that are less likely to let a thousand jew haters bloom. Yeah, I 434 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:15.440 mean sure, okay, I mean I like. I like my solution, 435 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:22.119 which is like total destruction of that institution and rebuilding it from the from the 436 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.199 rubble. But I see that you're probably yours is a more judicious and probably 437 00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:30.880 more effective and more realistic suggestion, I would just say about the Harvard thing, 438 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:32.079 which I think will be interesting. I hear. My prediction for the 439 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:37.679 next president of Harvard will be somebody who you have no idea. They'll be 440 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:45.559 the blandest, most anadyne, most carefully calibrated pay portrayal of that person, 441 00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:50.639 whoever that person is. I mean, if they could, if they could 442 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:53.840 generate an AI president of Harvard, they would do it, because what they 443 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:59.159 need is somebody who has no opinions and doesn't represent anything and is it going 444 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:01.840 to make anybody man and has no paper trail on that person. My guess 445 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:05.039 is that person is going to come from stem right. I mean, that's 446 00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.800 who you want. That's the goal. That's like somebody who's like basically been 447 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:14.440 doing important research and something useful. Uh and and and it's going to be 448 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:15.960 a dog whistle for people on the right because we're going to be kind of 449 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.360 figured. You know, listen, if you've been sitting in a lab and 450 00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.079 you if you believe that there's a right answer to the problem, and you 451 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:27.199 believe that there is such a thing as truth, then you're probably on our 452 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.719 side correct. So that's that will be how that shakes up, I think, 453 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.119 but I still feel like, you know, I don't know why we 454 00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.159 You know, what we need is more we're clinging to these brands. I 455 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.360 don't know, we should just no brands. I mean, like, what 456 00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:44.679 Barry Weiss is doing is amazing. What see what Ben Sass is doing in 457 00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:50.559 Florida is incredible. I think there are people that are trying to come up 458 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:52.760 with a new way, a new way of treating, a new way of 459 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.599 treating higher education that is in fact the old way, which is, how 460 00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:59.519 do I teach you? I prepare, teach you to be a great citizen, 461 00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:04.440 a useful citizen, Prepare you for a life of some kind of production 462 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.920 service, and give you the tools you need to make your way in the 463 00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:15.280 world, instead of how do I give you a four year subsidized vacation so 464 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:22.239 you can explore your trauma and figure out how the world and your life have 465 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:28.280 been unbearable for you. I'm not quite willing to join you in destroying the 466 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:34.679 IVYS, but here's where I am willing to join you. This is America. 467 00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:40.800 It's a great, big country, and the idea that the Ivys have 468 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.000 retained with the IVYS eight institutions ones in New York and that all the rest 469 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.159 are in two are in New York, Columbia and Cornell, and all the 470 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:53.039 rest are in New England. And they're very very they do hold a special 471 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:58.280 place in our history. But the idea that they should have dominant levels of 472 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:02.280 prestige, that they should have been the dominant educational institutions. As long as 473 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.760 they that's over. It's just done. Here's one thing we have in this 474 00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:12.320 country. We have regions, we have federalism. We have the University of 475 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:16.599 Florida, which is a great public institution. And the people who run the 476 00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:22.440 University of Florida in part the governor, but also other I think they're called 477 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:27.320 trustees. I can't recall the governing structure. But they bring in Ben Sas 478 00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:31.920 and what is Bensas? What is one of Ben SAS's first moves to end 479 00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:37.519 DEI at the University of Florida. Folks, some of you will lose your 480 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.920 jobs, some of you will be transferred into new positions within the university. 481 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.440 Those of you who lose your jobs will be able to apply for new But 482 00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:49.280 it's over. And two weeks later, the University of Texas says DEI is 483 00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.639 done. And they are a little less nuanced about it. They just fire 484 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:58.360 a bunch of people. Well, God blessed Texas and God blessed Florida. 485 00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:04.400 We've got different. We have this entrepreneurial spirit. So the University of Austin 486 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.679 is a brand new institution. This is what Barry Weiss is participating in. 487 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:14.079 It's what my colleague here at Hoover, Neil Ferguson is participating in full disclosure. 488 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:15.760 It's what my oldest son, where my oldest son is working down in 489 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:20.920 Austin right now, put helping to put together the University of Austin, which 490 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:25.559 will admit students this fall. It will be up and running and functioning. 491 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:30.400 It is an accredited university. It has raised many tens of millions, I 492 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.719 think at this stage that's fair to say, many hundreds of millions of dollars. 493 00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.760 It's going to work. Let them have it. The idea that the 494 00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:44.559 University of Texas should in any way bowance scrape to Yale. It's over. 495 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:51.800 That's just done. You managed to I like, how you you've taken my 496 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.039 bold statement and you've said, well, not obviously at dark but Yale for 497 00:38:55.079 --> 00:39:02.440 sure. Yeah, the unambiguous. Yeah, you start bringing the village down, 498 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:06.199 and you burn the whole village down. You could start again. It's 499 00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:07.400 no big deal, right, We'll be fine. I mean, look, 500 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.880 I mean I remember years and years ago talking to a reading an artist read 501 00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:14.639 a great book by the great writer James Grant, who is a wonderful financial 502 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.159 writer, and then im and he's like, you know, we have this, 503 00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:21.199 we have this idea that these things aren't supposed to change, that all 504 00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:25.519 monecary monetary system lasts forever, and they don't like the dollar changes its value 505 00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.800 and what it stands for, and then world currency changes happens a lot like 506 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.880 these changes do happen, right, and there's a lot of chaos when they 507 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:36.360 do, and a lot of fear when they do. But yeah, you 508 00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:38.599 know, I don't know. We should be prepared for that, and we 509 00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:43.840 shouldn't cling to what seemed to me to be institutions that are totally out of 510 00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:45.960 gas. Look, if something doesn't suit, something doesn't suit you and suit 511 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:52.000 your your culture and your needs anymore, come up with something better replace it. 512 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:53.400 It would be great to wake up one dred, to wake up one 513 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:58.760 hundred years later and find that Yale and Harvard are the nation's preeminent technical schools, 514 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:01.840 vocational schools. There used to be I know, look at that guy, 515 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:08.800 his son got a plumbing degree from Yale. Oh Man, respect that 516 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:13.679 was there. There were there were seminaries right which seminary was was essentially a 517 00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:19.639 trade school, and then there was a there was a this Sheffield Science School 518 00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:23.480 or Sheffield Science Academy or something was basically half of Yale. Now it's now 519 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:27.599 financially these these institutions of at least Ye and Harvard. I don't know about 520 00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.760 the other ones, but those institutions financially are if you look at their budget, 521 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:36.639 if you look at their financial profile, they are healthcare companies. They're 522 00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:42.679 hospitals and research hospitals with a little bit of a university attached to it on 523 00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.000 the side. In terms of the amount of money they are, they are 524 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:50.320 the healthcare insurance. So it's it's they're already there. We just have We 525 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.440 just don't want to give it up. Because the people who write New York 526 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:53.719 Times, people are on TV and people like me were like like, we 527 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.239 want you to think that Yale was really something special, which it was, 528 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.840 but we want you to think it confers confers upon me. Some kind of 529 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.599 like extra credibility, which it does not do, which I don't have to 530 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.960 tell the Bricachet listeners that they already know. I've done more to diminish the 531 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:13.960 prestige of Gale University on this podcast than anybody. Well. I mean, 532 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.440 the notion of a university always in the public mind had a certain segment of 533 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:22.840 airyheaded, professor absent minded types who would wander around and to think about keats 534 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:25.800 and the rest of it, and have no practical application to the rest of 535 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:30.480 the world. Now, though, I think there is the general idea that 536 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:34.599 the people who feel these universities are motivated by two things, one of profound 537 00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:38.039 ignorance of the past and to a profound hatred of it and everything that they 538 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:47.119 that they do. Instead of producing some scholarly, dense, ultimately useless guide 539 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.400 to Lord Byron's seventeenth conto of Don Juwon. Instead, what they're doing is 540 00:41:52.400 --> 00:42:02.159 they're turning out interchangeable, unreadable, dense concatenations of buzzwords about social issues, 541 00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:08.199 the only purpose of which is to identify and to clarify the evil nature of 542 00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:12.559 this system and the requirements that would be completely dismantled. I mean that's it, 543 00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:15.239 by the way, in any way an overstatement. When Claudie Kay, 544 00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:20.880 the president of Harvard, when her papers began to circulate on the on the 545 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:25.960 internet because she'd been accused of plagiarism, accurately accused, we now it immediately 546 00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:34.639 became clear they were exactly what you just described unreadable, I mean, nothing 547 00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.840 but rivers of jargon, plagiarized. It was like, how could you tell 548 00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:45.039 exactly where do you find such bad writing to steal? If you if you 549 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:51.119 barred the use of the slew of sociological nonsense in the in these people's works, 550 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.519 they would would be unable to produce a thesis paper because I mean, 551 00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:58.320 it's like new speak. There's no way to vocalize or to conceive of the 552 00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:05.239 idea. But the ideas themselves are just tiresome, tiresome repetitions of the whole 553 00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:10.760 idea that we are all merely helpless, powerless cogs in a system of systemic 554 00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:17.960 systemism, and that only through true valuation and interrogation of our intersectionality can liberation 555 00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.119 be. It's just, I mean, it has gone so far up betime 556 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:30.920 quarters that the entire I mean, it's importantly, they've just made intellectual pretzels 557 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.360 of themselves. And so but we kind of get that now, don't. 558 00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:38.679 We've all seen this on display over and that is that the public the popular 559 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:43.360 conception now that people who go to these places or I mean, I can't 560 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:45.360 conceive of the people who send their kids to school to learn this stuff actually 561 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.679 think there's merit in it. They're just doing, as Rob said, for 562 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:54.800 the certificates that brands them as employable at this level in this place. Yeah. 563 00:43:54.800 --> 00:44:02.400 Look, the the one of the side effects, which was positive I 564 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:09.000 think in general of education was that you you you you got confused that do 565 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:14.079 you You went and you learned enough that about the world that it made you 566 00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:19.280 confused, like well, I don't know, like it's confusing, right, 567 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:25.440 And you just don't see that on the Columbia or NYU campus. Those kids 568 00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:30.360 are not confused. They don't They don't mean they should be, but they're 569 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:34.280 not embarrassed that they don't know why they're down on n YU. They go, 570 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:36.960 I should learn more about it specifically, but they just know that in 571 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.960 general that that that they're doing the right thing, and which is something they've 572 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.239 been told by their teachers, which is their teacher because their teach. I 573 00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.000 mean all my teachers were not on my team. Not of my professors, 574 00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:50.039 because they were that was the wrong generation. But most of them, certainly 575 00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:53.719 every single graduate teaching assistant I had, and every sort of English teacher and 576 00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:59.239 on history teacher, most of them anyway, had had some kind of important 577 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:05.320 adolescent experience in the sixties and decided that their curriculum was going to be based 578 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:08.559 upon how great the sixties were. And you can any university you go you 579 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:12.840 look at, there will be a class or two, or ten or fifty 580 00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.719 about the sixties and how great they were and how important they were. There 581 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:21.000 will not be any classes about the fifties or the forties, or the twenties, 582 00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:24.920 even maybe the twenties in English literature, but like or the seventies, 583 00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:30.280 right right, the generation that rioded in the streets in the sixties and did 584 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:36.239 nothing went on to teach classes about how great they did. They wrote their 585 00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:39.840 own myths, and this is the generation that grew up on that myth. 586 00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:46.320 You're making an absolutely fascinating point that takes me back in my own memory. 587 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:52.480 I'm just enough older than you, Rob, thank you for admitting that. 588 00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:58.000 Yeah, well, when I was at Dartmouth, there were two layers of 589 00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:02.760 professors, and when I was there, the senior professors had all trained in 590 00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:07.480 the fifties and they were all men. They were, yes, I think 591 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:16.519 without exception that they were all men, and they had standards. They spoke 592 00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:22.920 well. Vincent Starzinger constitutional law. You never saw Vincent Starzinger without a jacket 593 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:28.920 and tie. And in class he would say, mister Robinson, what do 594 00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.880 you have to say about Reynolds v. Simms? Mister law. That was 595 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:36.679 still alive, it was still real. But at the same time, the 596 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.920 associate professors, the young guys had trained during the sixties, and it was 597 00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:45.440 exactly as you described. But I was there at the last glimmering where you 598 00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:50.880 could avoid the jokers. I mean, I can remember walking into class and 599 00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.079 there I won't name his name. I don't think he ever got ten year 600 00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:58.000 at Dartmouth because he seems to have disappeared. But this guy had long hair 601 00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.840 and he wore jeans, and his class began. He sat on the desk 602 00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:08.079 and looked at us and said, well, okay, let's talk about it. 603 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:13.800 What did you guys make of Taming of the Shrew? And I thought 604 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:20.599 to myself, my parents, dart. This is hard for them for me 605 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:24.760 to pay to come here. I don't want to hear what my classmates make 606 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:28.480 of taming. In other words, you could just you could just feel it. 607 00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:30.199 You could at the sixties were right there. So, of course, 608 00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:34.280 needless to say, I had dropped that course and ran back to Jeff Hart, 609 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.760 who had trained at Columbia under Mark Van Doren and Lionel Trilling in the 610 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.480 great old days. But you could see it. You're absolutely right, the 611 00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:47.559 sixties were decisive. But I have to disagree with Rob. Do they talk 612 00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:52.199 about did they talk about the fifties? Did they talk about the seventies? 613 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:57.199 Yes, they do, because they have to constantly mind the past for proof 614 00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:01.519 of all of the various horrible things that the culture has done to marginalize people 615 00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.079 forever. So, in other words, are they going to teach the full 616 00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:07.639 breadth and scope of the seventies? How it was, how the first part 617 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:10.760 was a kurdled eff fluorescence of the nonsense of the sixties, and how the 618 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:17.840 later part was a complete descent into into Weymar era style degeneracy. Before we 619 00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:22.840 stood up and put our tie back on and our suit coode back on instead 620 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:24.679 of behavior. I mean, do they tell that state. No. What 621 00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:30.559 they will do is they'll have a class about how the origins of queer theory 622 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.280 can be found in the first transgender person to start the riots at Stone Wall, 623 00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.519 and they'll get somebody who's great poems that were published in a chap book, 624 00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:42.719 who didn't capitalize their name and didn't have any particular rhyme scheme as being 625 00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.159 the most important pote of the eras. So they'll go back and they'll they'll 626 00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:52.119 the past can be excavated over and over again to exalt and bring up all 627 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.079 the people who are now the heroes, the people who stood thwart the various 628 00:48:55.119 --> 00:49:00.880 culty. So don't teach them the cult. It's a given that the culture 629 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:05.159 of the time was wrong because it was hero inormative, it was white supremacist, 630 00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.679 it was Western civilization. That's a given. So the only the only 631 00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.480 bones you can make is to go back and find all the reasons that it 632 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:14.480 were wrong. Now that we've all agreed that it's wrong, but it kills 633 00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:20.199 me that these people do these things in these settings that are designed to sum 634 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:24.719 up the great aspirational notion of Western architecture and how it must gall them really 635 00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:30.360 to walk around with these ideas festering and curdling in their head and igniting their 636 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:34.840 heart, and to look around and to know that they are utterly incapable of 637 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:39.280 constructing a civilization that can construct something like the beauty that they see around him. 638 00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:44.199 Yep, he James has done it again. He's talked to us into 639 00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:46.800 total submission. Rob. Yeah, he's yeah, you know, I if 640 00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.199 I if I just spam every if I spam everything with fifty points, then 641 00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:58.440 nobody knows what to respond to. Rob. Is there anything else you'd like 642 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:00.440 to say about Yale? Rob, Robbie R just holding a torch of light 643 00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:04.880 to I mean, the first thing he does is turn around to throw it 644 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:07.880 at his own house. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, 645 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:14.599 uh, it's always a question, right are you throwing out the right stuff 646 00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:17.000 or not? Right? That's that's that's kind of what we as you move 647 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:21.039 through life, as you move through the culture, like, Okay, we're 648 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:22.920 getting rid of some bad stuff and we're going to keep the good stuff, 649 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.440 and we just got to make sure we're throwing away the good stuff. They're 650 00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:28.679 keeping the good stuff and throwing bad stuff, and we're doing a good job. 651 00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.360 If you accept that the label of a thing doesn't matter, that there's 652 00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:37.280 no particular value to Yale anymore. There oh, there is a there is 653 00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:42.599 a value to education and to knowledge and to truth. Then you have to 654 00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.199 ask yourself, what's the goal of a society. What's the goal of an 655 00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:49.199 education is? That's to educate the next generation to be useful, productive citizens 656 00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.360 and contribute meaningfully to the you know, further furtherance of the human race and 657 00:50:52.639 --> 00:51:00.760 human flourishing in general. So it's not to keep Yale afloat. Now, 658 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:05.559 if that happens automatic anyway, fine, that's that's certainly has been the case 659 00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:07.280 for the past two hundred years. But everything kind of runs out of gas 660 00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:12.480 eventually and you had to change. So what's the goal isn't to mean I'm 661 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.719 not a nihilist. I'm not saying the goal is to throw to torch the 662 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.840 idea here. I'm just saying, find another way to do it. The 663 00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:25.400 point, the strategy, the goal is the same, the pathway is different. 664 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:30.880 So Yale to Lenda st Well, there's hope. One of the most 665 00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:35.360 popular series on streaming last month I think was The Three Body Problem, which 666 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.920 starts out with a very vivid and effective demonstration of a communist Red Guard struggle 667 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:43.679 session. And I'm watching this. I think it's Netflix, Apple, I 668 00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.159 don't know. I think about Ian McGregor, who's stuck in a hotel in 669 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:51.119 Moscow during the Bolshevik revolutions. My god, the comedies are pretty general. 670 00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:55.960 Moscow comedies are pretty yeah. Yeah, the Bolshies are pretty awful. Horrible 671 00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.800 people there too, So I mean that's that's two representations commedi's in the media 672 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:07.239 and lately as being bad. That's a heartening sign. And also, while 673 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:10.480 we of course horror collectivism, we do like people getting together. And I 674 00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:14.639 believe Rob you before we go, we need to tell us about some meetups 675 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:20.400 that are going to be happening. Yeah, I would just say the greatest 676 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:24.320 thing about Ricochet is that we have I r L in real life gatherings, 677 00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:28.119 which are kind of the fun of it. You know, sometimes we I 678 00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:30.239 think we spend too much time front of a screen. Later this year, 679 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:35.400 Ricochet members are getting together Bore the National Review Cruise. That's mid June, 680 00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:37.440 so I think it's still places available, So if you're if you're mid June 681 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.840 free, you can join your fellow Ricochet members and go there. And I 682 00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:44.559 know they always have a couple of meetups there and they have a couple of 683 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:46.400 tables and it's actually a lot of fun. But I've had I've had more 684 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:50.440 fun meeting Ricochet members on those cruises. I'm not going on this one, 685 00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:54.480 but there are a lot of fun. Last week, Katie Koppleman member Katie 686 00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:59.119 Cauleman put out in our tineray for fourth of July weekend meetup in Fargo. 687 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.199 I would be there. I would be there. That's around the corner from 688 00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:05.840 you. Yes, okay, so that's fourth of July. Uh Fargar, 689 00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:09.880 North Dakota. Matt Bauser is hosting the annual German Fest meetup in Milwaukee during 690 00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:13.000 the last weekend of July, so we have, you know, we have 691 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:17.119 mid June and July kind of taken care of and the and Randy Wivoda is 692 00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:21.519 hosting a meeting meeting up in Saint Louis in early October. And Randy is 693 00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:25.559 like this incredible meetup, you know, Master mc impresario. He put together 694 00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:28.960 the one we did in New Orleans a little while ago. And uh, 695 00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:32.119 and they're always really they're more than just a meetup. He usually puts together 696 00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:36.199 something else too, and Saint Louis is a really interesting place, a really 697 00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.840 interesting city. So those are just the three that are on my dashboard, 698 00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:44.119 but there are more always coming up. And if you're like, well, 699 00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:45.519 listen the fourth of July, I can't make it. I can't get July 700 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:50.039 and June or done and October maybe, but I want to do one in 701 00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:54.519 September. Join Ricochet, put up a member post, tell us when and 702 00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:59.719 where you want to meet, and I guarantee you the Ricochet membership will show 703 00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:02.760 up, because that's what we do. M It's like the Elks, it's 704 00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:07.199 like the ioof It's like the Kowanas, the Rotarians and the rest of it, 705 00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:10.360 with all the rules and the rest of it. So yes, Ricochet, 706 00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:13.639 go there. Join if you haven't already, and if you've been listening 707 00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:15.599 to six hundred and eighty on any of these podcasts, I think maybe six 708 00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:17.800 hundred and ninety out of be the one that finally gets you to join, 709 00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:22.960 or maybe six ninety one. I do. It's been it's been a lot 710 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:28.519 of fun. Nothing starts my Friday my weekend off better than sitting here in 711 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:30.599 this room, staring out at the skyline of my great City and talking to 712 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:35.159 Robin Peter and I hope everybody's enjoyed the conversation as well. We'll see you 713 00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:38.440 all in the comments at Ricochet four point out next week. Guys, next 714 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:46.320 week, fellas Ricochet join the conversation