1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:06,599 Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do 2 00:00:06,679 --> 00:00:14,400 for your country, mister Gorbachev, tear down this wall. It's the Ricochet 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,039 Podcast with Rob Long and Peter Robinson. I'm James Lylyx, and today we 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:27,039 tackle the question is it time for the ivys to die? Last night when 5 00:00:27,079 --> 00:00:36,560 you taught Columbia University is open support for Kamas holding signe say doc dougrigade your 6 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:42,240 next target point day, do it today. So here you have it. 7 00:00:43,119 --> 00:00:47,840 America is a nation that can be defined in a single word. How's the 8 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:53,320 foot him? Excuse me? Welcome. It's the Ricochet Podcast, number six 9 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:58,159 hundred and eighty nine. I'm James Lilys in drizzly Minneapolis. Rob Long is 10 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:00,759 in Gotham, and Peter's in California. And I guess in all three of 11 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:07,239 these locations they're characterized by some you know, something akin to discord on the 12 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,439 campuses. Quite extraordinary. What we've been seeing this week quite extraordinary. And 13 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,519 I think the people who were saying, well, it's going to be great 14 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:17,120 because Trump's going to dominate the tray. Everybody's going to look at the Trump 15 00:01:17,159 --> 00:01:22,840 stuff people are seeing on display. A segment of the left that well, 16 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,719 we've been seeing for years, but really hasn't been this emboldened, this nasty 17 00:01:27,599 --> 00:01:30,200 in some time. And it's not going to end soon. It's going to 18 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:34,000 spill over into the convention and another zesty summer of love is coming up. 19 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:37,319 Guys, looking at this, what do you say? I know, of 20 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,079 course that these people are not anti Jewish at all. No, it's just 21 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,719 a matter of being anti Zionist, a very very specific designation and distinction that 22 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:56,120 we must respect or not. Rob Peter, I'm I'm a little you know, 23 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,480 it's a little late to keep saying that. I'm shocked. I am 24 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:02,840 still shocked. I was in my office the other day, actually, I 25 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,079 was meeting somebody for a cup of coffee on the Stanford campus and in the 26 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:12,080 background I heard a great racket and some music being played, brass instruments being 27 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,960 played very badly, and that usually means it's a Stanford marching band on the 28 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,560 way to a football game. I thought, wait a minute, it's wrong. 29 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,199 It's spring. And I turned and it was a parade and there were 30 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:31,319 Palestinian flags waving and placards being held aloft and it's all right there. And 31 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:36,080 then as I returned home. I happened to pass a couple of fraternities and 32 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,879 a couple of the fraternities, or excuse me, this is complicated. Here 33 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:44,199 on the Stanford campus. There are only a few real old fashioned fraternities left. 34 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:46,080 Now there are theme houses. I guess these were a couple of theme 35 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:54,319 houses that had Palestinian flags draped from the windows. And there as I passed 36 00:02:54,319 --> 00:03:00,080 the Hillel House, there's a Stanford cop at the Hillel House. So it 37 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:07,639 is all it's disconcerting to see it flaring up all over again. I thought 38 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:14,280 that, at least with regard to this one campus here in California, things 39 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:17,479 had died down, that there was a flare up on October seventh, but 40 00:03:17,719 --> 00:03:24,159 things had been quiet, and now it's not quiet. And I just don't 41 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:31,280 understand how Stanford students now some of the people in the parade, many of 42 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,000 the people in the parade may not have been Stanford students, But those theme 43 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:38,479 houses were on Stanford, the Stanford campus, and they're lived in by Stanford 44 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:46,080 students. How can they understand so little about the history of the twentieth century. 45 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:51,680 How can they understand so little about the twenty first century of the history 46 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,680 of the of the Middle East, of Israel and the surrounding area. And 47 00:03:54,800 --> 00:04:00,199 you cannot understand the history and chant from the river to the sea. You 48 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,400 just can't. So I don't. I don't. It's none, none of 49 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:06,879 this is even computing. But it just it is more than disconcerting. Well, 50 00:04:06,919 --> 00:04:12,360 you certainly can't if you wish that history had turned out differently. Rob, 51 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:15,399 Yeah, I mean, I actually feel like this is divorced from history 52 00:04:15,399 --> 00:04:23,759 and divorced from what's happening. It's it's emotional craziness that you you you know, 53 00:04:23,759 --> 00:04:29,079 they this is a unfair cherry picking, but they did. I saw 54 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:32,319 a video of these young women in Nyu, not that far from where I'm 55 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:38,040 standing right now, a couple of blocks, and they were protesting something, 56 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:42,759 and some of what are you protesting? You know? They said Gaza or 57 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,040 something? Oh, what's what's happening there? We don't. Why are you 58 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:55,360 protesting NYU? And I don't. I don't really know. And then she 59 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:58,000 looked to her friend like can you help me in for Yeah, you know, 60 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:00,600 I'm not as educated on that as a S should be. You know, 61 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,000 we're here in solidarity. So we came from Columbia to our friends and 62 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,920 nyun so we're here to solidarity. I mean, these things kind of have 63 00:05:10,959 --> 00:05:14,639 their do they develop their own life. It's like I'm protesting this thing I 64 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,680 don't really care about her know much about, and then the university is like 65 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:20,240 complaining about it, and then that is why I'm protesting. I'm protesting because 66 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:29,959 you're against it. And it's this kind of this very strange, coddled generation 67 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:36,120 that is that it's not their fault. Here's my position, it's not their 68 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:44,319 fault. Their teachers were almost to the to the person's sixties radicals, the 69 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,720 sixties sippies grew up to work, go back right back into the academy and 70 00:05:46,759 --> 00:05:51,439 be the professors and now their tenured professors in schools, and they have been 71 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:58,959 teaching and high schools and they have been teaching them these students. This incredibly 72 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:04,160 mythic view of the nineteen sixties, this heroic myth that students protested and they 73 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,639 ended a war. It was a bad war, and student protests ended it, 74 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,360 which is just not true. It was a bad war, that's fair, 75 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,519 and students protested, that is also true. They did not end the 76 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:24,959 war. That is a historically completely inaccurate. Point the last American left, 77 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,480 I think because I got in nineteen seventy five, almost six seventy four to 78 00:06:28,519 --> 00:06:33,759 seventy five. In nineteen seventy two, after at least eight years of student 79 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:42,879 protests, the country voted in a landslide for the candidate who was not going 80 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,319 to was not going to leave Vietnam without peace with honor, wasn't he? 81 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,720 He was against you know it, Nixon versusmc govern. MC government's going to 82 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,399 leave McGovern was the choice of those students. They did not have an impact 83 00:06:53,480 --> 00:07:00,720 on the foreign policy at all. What they did was they dispersed over the 84 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:04,959 years and they went into teaching high school and college, and they produced a 85 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:11,759 generation that now comes from Columbia down to NYU to protest a thing they don't 86 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,040 know what they're protesting for, to show solidarity for people who they don't understand, 87 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:19,519 to argue about a part of the world that they do not They could 88 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:26,639 not locate on the map maybe or the key events on a timeline, but 89 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:30,399 they know that they can participate in this drama because their teachers were to participate 90 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:33,600 in the drama, and because all the cultural stories about the sixties were all 91 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:41,759 about how great the drama was this is self dramatics of the most sophomoric, 92 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:46,560 sophomoric but empty kind, because they say this for the SDS, or say 93 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,959 this for what's his name, and you know all those guys say this for 94 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:51,000 the hippies. They kind of they they'd been raised in the fifties. They 95 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,240 went to actually schools of taught American history. Now they may have been distorted 96 00:07:55,279 --> 00:07:59,439 by the time they got there to college, but they were They were a 97 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,800 lot more formed about America's role in the world and about the dangers of the 98 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,360 world than the generation today, although they were not effective. So you know, 99 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,160 maybe anyway, that's my rant is now over a new thought for me, 100 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:15,079 which is now maybe forty eight hours old. But as somebody said something 101 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,759 on my Twitter feed and I thought, oh, actually that's right as well, 102 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,199 every word Rob said about the teachers. But you know what it's also 103 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:33,320 involved here the admissions offices. They chose these students. You know, these 104 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:39,440 students wrote pat little essays about how socially concerned they are and how they had 105 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:46,440 protested this or done that social activism in high school. They chose these social 106 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:54,120 activist nit wits. Columbia has the students it chose well. I mean, 107 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,600 there are many things here. You have to feel sorry for the students at 108 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,879 NYU because unlike the people who have the nice green velt, the big swath 109 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,360 of lawn on which they can pop up their tents, which all look alike 110 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:09,200 and all come from somewhere. When I was in college and we're gonna, 111 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,879 if we're gonna protest, I haven't the faintest idea of what we would do 112 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:15,639 Tentwise, we would probably go over to Midwest Mountaineering and pool our money and 113 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,919 get maybe one, you know, pop up that we could all fit into. 114 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:24,960 But the profusion of tents that just appear place by place by is almost 115 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,000 as if there's some sort of network of NGOs. That's funny good Anyway, 116 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,000 the poor students at n YU don't have a mall, a green space because 117 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:35,919 NYU is just slotted into a whole bunch of buildings to the square. So 118 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,919 you got to feel kind of bad for them. But secondly, you're right, 119 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:43,519 yes, this is, as Rob said, the process of the long 120 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:48,519 march of the people who very comfortably, very wonderfully attach themselves like lampreys to 121 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:56,320 these great institutions and found for themselves money sucker, intellectually wise from the rest 122 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,559 of their peers a place to get, you know, respects, and the 123 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,360 rest of it hallowing at an institution so that they can preach against it, 124 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,840 but by themselves living every single measure of a comfortable life. That's the product 125 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:11,559 of Western academia. Hypocrites, the lot of them, and intellectually bankrupt people, 126 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:18,000 morally bank socially, emotionally bankrupt, people who are still wafting on some 127 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,039 cloud of self regard that they that they first conjured up in the sixties. 128 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:26,240 From the seventies, I say, it's communists, men in hell with it. 129 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:30,759 But as for the students, right, we have valorized the protest at 130 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:35,759 the point where just about any the very act of protesting itself sanctifies whatever it 131 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:37,759 is you're doing, and whatever it is you're protesting, unless you're marching around 132 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:41,960 with the tiki tours wearing khaki pants, in which case you have you know, 133 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,360 you're the worst person ever in the world. We have Charlottesville times ten 134 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,840 all over the country when it comes to not just ionized Zionist activity, anti 135 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:56,159 Jewish act, specifically stating things that are beyond the palein American discourse, freedom 136 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,120 speech, yes, of course, but go back to poland go back to 137 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:07,240 Blorus saying that of American citizens who are of Jewish descent and faith is anathema 138 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:13,080 to the culture and is as anti American as you can possibly get wrong. 139 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,799 It's absolutely wrong. An expulsion out of follow from what I think kind of 140 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:22,440 sounds like hate speech. I don't like hate speech things, but that's the 141 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,200 term they're going to use, and those are the banishment from society is going 142 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,440 to be the price that you pay for it. According to the left, 143 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,799 Well, then I'm one of those American guys who say, let's apply all 144 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:37,879 these laws equally. But it's what what what galls me? With so many 145 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:46,200 things galled me obviously, and not that beaut But for some, for some 146 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:52,200 people, the sound of mass rhyming chanting makes their blood rise and their spirits 147 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:58,399 sore. I find it absolutely contemptuous, and I find it a substitute for 148 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,399 thought and a tribe chance that indicates that you not that you've thought through the 149 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,200 issues, not that you have a grasp on the issues, but that you're 150 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:11,279 part of an organism that spontaneously arose in order to perform this dance for everybody 151 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:15,639 else to show that you're on the right side of things. And I think 152 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,559 it's almost back to silent majority. I think most people when they look at 153 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:24,000 this, a lot of people who are on the left center left, do 154 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:30,440 not feel the same sort of exultation when they hear id FKKK all the same 155 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:33,919 They don't, and they may maybe the silent majority of the next election. 156 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:41,440 We don't know, but I I just have an instinctive revulsion to it. 157 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,159 It's the sound of everything crumbling, and we went through it in twenty twenty 158 00:12:45,159 --> 00:12:48,759 and we're gonna hear it again. No. I mean, I guess what 159 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:52,720 sort of interesting about it to me is the idea that it's kind of reflexive. 160 00:12:52,879 --> 00:13:01,200 The I guess the theory is, and this is actually up ultimately a 161 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,039 sort of a problem disconnect in society, which is that the theory is if 162 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:13,639 you're a student, is that you're told if you're successful or you're the winner, 163 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,960 something must be bad. You did something, you stole something, you 164 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,519 know. I have an argument some of my very pro Israel Jewish friends about 165 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:30,000 whether October seventh, whether they're facing an existential issue here, existential problem, 166 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,480 existential crisis for Israel. And my point is of course no. No, 167 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:37,960 The answer is no. Israel has had now eighty years, a very very 168 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:43,879 focused, very effective leadership. The security of the state of Israel is not 169 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,759 in question. It is militarily maybe it was unprepared on Cover seventh, but 170 00:13:46,799 --> 00:13:50,399 it is far superior to its enemies. And it has shown time and time 171 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:54,159 again that Israel is a very is a secure state and not set it's not 172 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,600 under attack occasionally, but that they're going to win and they're gonna win because 173 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,039 they've been focused on that for eighty years and they've done a really wonderful job 174 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,759 doing it, and they that's not a bad thing, it's a good thing. 175 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:11,360 But people are they are made is they are discomforted by that. And 176 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,240 the prevailing sentiment among sort of the progressive left is if you're strong and you 177 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:22,799 protected yourself, you're probably a criminal. That if you have built something, 178 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:26,919 you know you didn't build that, as Obama said, that you probably took 179 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:30,159 it from somebody. And so there is among the left, and I think 180 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,080 especially among the Jewish left, this kind of what's happening is a kind of 181 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,679 an academic, kind of a break psychological problem, which is like, Israel 182 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:46,080 is a successful state because because it took its security seriously and focused on it, 183 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:52,279 and had a culture and a population that was focused on this great idea 184 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:58,279 of a Jewish homeland that is literally the theme of the Hebrew Bible. Right, 185 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:05,559 that's the theme of the oldest, longest lasting religious text in human history. 186 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,919 So this is a big deal, right, and they took it seriously, 187 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,200 and they are going At no point does anybody think, oh, you 188 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:16,120 know what, Homas might win. They're not going to win, so that 189 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:20,919 if you're an academic leftist, you're like, well, then then Israel must 190 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:22,240 be evil. It's got to be bad because the winners are always bad. 191 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,799 Everybody who wins, you know, everybody who wins a war is a criminal 192 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,840 and did a bad thing. And everybody who succeeded somehow took it that we 193 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,960 we just don't have. We no longer understand how people got where they got 194 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,759 and that they worked hard to get there. And I feel like there's part 195 00:15:39,799 --> 00:15:43,080 of that I see. I see my my Jewish friends who are liberal who 196 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,080 are now kind of trying to recalibrate their idea, and I see it in 197 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,960 the culture in general, the idea that if you if you were successful, 198 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,480 or if you accomplished your mission and behind where you take it from. Yeah, 199 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:58,279 I know. That's that's why I haven't fully thought this through with us. 200 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:00,399 You know you're right behind. Every fourth is a great crime. It 201 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,360 is the idea that is it. I agree, that's a profound point. 202 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:11,039 I might modify your view on whether or not Israel is involved in an existential 203 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:17,360 crisis to this extent, it's not a threat to their existence as long as 204 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:23,639 they have us. They need our carrier groups in the Eastern med they need 205 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:30,039 our technology to help them with the Iron Dome and successors to the Iron Dome. 206 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,879 They need musicians, they need support, They need us. And that 207 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:45,759 is an interesting matter because here we have the Biden administration scrambling to try to 208 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:56,240 figure out what to do because among many people, in particular Jewish donors, 209 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,440 the population of Jews in this country is so small, so two percent. 210 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,920 There's really no place where the Jewish vote is going to be decisive. But 211 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:14,279 Jewish contributions, Jewish participation in the democratic all of that matters enormously. And 212 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:18,559 if you look at our friend Andrew Gutman, who's running for Congress now in 213 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:22,240 Palm Beach, is himself Jewish, he's running as a Republican. He's tweeting 214 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:30,640 that he's hearing over and over and over again from Jews in his congressional district. 215 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,240 He's campaigning, shaking hands, giving speeches. So he's on the ground 216 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,519 at this saying I've been a Democrat all my life. This time I'm voting 217 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:44,279 for you. So you've got one party, the Democratic Party, which among 218 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:52,119 one of its traditional constituencies, isn't doing enough. And then Biden requires the 219 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,519 youth vote to defeat Donald Trump. And we know two things about the polling 220 00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:03,440 among the young. One is that they are uninterested and bored by this campaign. 221 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,400 Why wouldn't they be. You've got one octogenarian, another subtergenarian, But 222 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:15,000 we also have it's this youth vote that thinks the Biden administration is supporting Israel 223 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:19,759 too much. Well, that is the political bind that the Biden administration is 224 00:18:21,319 --> 00:18:23,880 couldn't have, couldn't happen to a nicer group. But if you're thinking in 225 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:30,000 terms of is this an existential crisis for Israel, it's a problem for Israel 226 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,480 if they don't have the American if they don't have firm support across both our 227 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:40,359 parties. It's just a dangerous position to be in, to have only Republican 228 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:45,960 support, to only to count on Republican support, except that I just mean 229 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:52,640 to say that that the history of the state of Israel is an amazingly triumphant 230 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:59,240 histreys of a people who you know, for thousands of years have had you 231 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:04,200 know, you know how many you know, attempted murder, attempt you know 232 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:11,680 how many, how many attempts to to eliminate them have been barely thwarted, 233 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:18,440 right, and they have a homeland, and and they protected it with incredible 234 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:27,839 courage and strategy and focus and sacrifice. That is, you know, I'm 235 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:34,039 one of the great stories of modern civilization. It didn't come without a price, 236 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,839 and it didn't doesn't come without a price today. But it's an extraordinary, 237 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:45,559 extraordinary victory for good over evil that you know, we should at least 238 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:48,880 celebrate that. That seems to me to be certainly to story, quite a 239 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,279 big story. The other piece of it, of course, is that everything 240 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,480 changes the day around gets a nuclear weapon, right, everything changes that day 241 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,640 they cannot be permitted to get one. And you know what they're saying in 242 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,279 Aman and Riad and Cairo and problem you take it out, go ahead, 243 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:10,279 what they're saying them out, you know, the thank God for these Raelis 244 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,640 because they're going to do something about this. I mean, the great is 245 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:18,240 the great secret is Israeli strategy in the past twenty thirty years has been isolate 246 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:22,000 Hamas, drive them to the arms of Iran, make them Iranian clients, 247 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:26,519 make them clients of the Ayatola in Tehran. And then let's see what the 248 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:30,880 king of Saudi Arabia and the king of Jordan, and the dictator and the 249 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:36,839 dictator in Damascus and the military dictator in Cairo have to say. And you 250 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,319 know what they're saying. They're saying, they're looking at their shoes and saying, 251 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,880 yeah, well, let's uh. You know, you like that great 252 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:47,160 moment in the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory when one of the kids is running 253 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,200 off to do something dangerous and Charlie and Willie Walker is saying, don't stop, 254 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,559 don't please stop, Oh no, don't don't touch that button in the 255 00:20:53,640 --> 00:21:00,039 least energetic way possible. That is what the Arab countries are saying to is 256 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:02,720 right now, I'll stop better stop that, don't do that, meaning they 257 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:07,759 want them to go ahead and do it that you know, look it's one 258 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:11,279 way you can look at all this disaster, this chaos is horrible, and 259 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:12,799 warfare is terrible, and you can look at all I think it's just a 260 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:19,279 giant disaster. But in some ways this is a logical outcome, one of 261 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:26,160 the logical outcomes of a strategy that has that was necessary for Israel to pursue, 262 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:32,000 which is to make small, incremental peace with its Arab powerful Arab neighbors, 263 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,079 not big piece, a little piece here and there, you know, 264 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,559 here and there, starting from really this is a twenty three year process, 265 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:45,960 starting from September twelfth, two thousand and one, and isolate and drive their 266 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:52,680 enemies on the on the ground to the arms of the only agreed enemy in 267 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,920 the region that everybody hates, and that's Iran. And Iran foolishly and Moss 268 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:03,440 foolishly fell right into it. Unfortunately, it led to this terrible war where 269 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,039 people are it's a horrible thing that's happening there. But it did clarify. 270 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:15,519 Besides it does it did clarifying the many the posts that I read talk about 271 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:21,759 the the IDF incursion into Gaza is something that just happened for some weird reason 272 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,519 which escapes us at the moment, everything was fine pretty much. Oh, 273 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:29,680 Gaza was an open air prison, don't you know. Oh, they were 274 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,319 being starved by the Israelis, don't you know? All the Israelis were being 275 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,519 so cruel that they actually reduced to five the daily shuttles between Gaza and the 276 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:41,720 hospitals to treat people who couldn't get treated in Gaza. Oh, the genocide. 277 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,319 But then something happened, and I can't quite remember exactly what it is, 278 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,680 something to do with parent some guys in parasails. Well that was it. 279 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:53,160 Yeah, some guys, some guys from Gaza were parasailing off the coast 280 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,480 and the IDEF shot them down. Because anyway, they don't wave that away, 281 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,680 just wave that away. What matters is, of course, that the 282 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:06,440 IDEF went in and killed thirty three thousand people so far, specifically the number 283 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,400 that comes from Hamas, and Hamas itself is downplay has has said, well, 284 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,200 you know, why to maybe twenty three thousand, We don't know, 285 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:12,960 we're kind of checking our records. Why anybody believes that I have from the 286 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,359 faintest idea and that they're believed that everybody that Israel has that the IDEF has 287 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,279 killed is a civilian, and preferably a fourteen year old boy with a dewy 288 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:25,559 face or an infant's that's it. I mean, they're not going after soldiers. 289 00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:30,519 They're no, they're targeting mothers. They're going after the use the least 290 00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:36,400 useful military targets available. Somehow, that seems to be again the assertion, 291 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:41,680 and all of this is an overreaction the idea that a neighboring country, it's 292 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,599 called Gaza country, the Leks, this group to run them. This group 293 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,799 has in their charter river to the sea, kill the Jews, death to 294 00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:53,039 the Jews, and then the people that they elect promptly go and do something 295 00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:56,119 like they did on October seventh, the details of which we'll come to my 296 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:03,000 mind. And that the proper response to this is to let that government remain 297 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,480 in power, is what they're saying. I mean, you can't go into 298 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,359 Gaza, you can't go after Hermas. You can do, but perhaps you 299 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,519 could have done something to tip for tat it. So let's just imagine then 300 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:18,519 that the IDEF goes into Gaza and indoscrab. Let's say that they choose a 301 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:23,200 music festival for some reason, and they parachute in and they kill a lot 302 00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:27,599 of young people, and they drag the women back and they rape the women. 303 00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:30,359 They put it as a matter of fact. They film themselves doing all 304 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:36,720 these various atrocities, and then they drag hostages back to Israel and periodically will 305 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:41,960 release videos of them with an arm missing, you know, spouting some platitudes 306 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,720 about this, about how they're being treated, and refuse to tell them anybody 307 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,759 where they are and don't release them or maybe one or two of the sord 308 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,880 What would the reaction on the campuses be. I think the reaction on the 309 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:59,839 campuses would have been equal in its ferocity to Israel going in and attempting to 310 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,920 routigate, eradicate Hamas once and for all. And perhaps that's the calculation that 311 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,000 they made when it comes to international you know, what were the Jews? 312 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,960 I don't like anything we do, so let's just go do it. And 313 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,319 what's more, the idea that going in and having a targeted assassination in the 314 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,839 music festival and dragging people back, that somehow that's that that that is the 315 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,440 proper response beggars imagination. There's no way it is. There's absolutely no way 316 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,000 it would it would even be conceived of by the government. So that's the 317 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,359 strange things like sending in the military to do a military job of killing the 318 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:36,039 guys who are behind this is the war crime. But if they'd just gone 319 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:38,920 in and done a tit for tap somehow, that would have been a tempered 320 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:45,039 response. And I just hear a horn there from that was me. That 321 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,119 was that's the that's the that's the city with you, right, yeah, 322 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,319 well, you know the city agreeing with me. I don't know what I 323 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,200 see in Colombia's madness. I mean when when I hear students, you know, 324 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,519 we had that video that was released yesterday by one of the leaders of 325 00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:04,720 the organized talking about how Zionists do not deserve to live. This is a 326 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:10,079 student on record, student leader that they don't deserve to live and it's all 327 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,599 he can do to keep from killing them. And he hasn't killed him yet. 328 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,799 And we're supposed to actually applaud perhaps when this guy says that I haven't 329 00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:22,880 killed a Zionist yet. It's a nasty, nasty group of people. But 330 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,440 where do they go from here is the question. Let's say they graduate, 331 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,279 where do they go exactly? Do they go into the world of business that 332 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:36,279 they supposedly hate so much because the late capitalist hellscape that oppresses everything. Do 333 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,440 they just sort of suck it up and say, well, I'll be a 334 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,759 good voter, I'll be a good revolutionary in my own way, in my 335 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,200 own time. I guess I have to live in the system. Or do 336 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:48,519 they just spread into any more you know, social institutions and governments and urban 337 00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:53,119 yeah governments, and charity groups and social groups and the rest of it and 338 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,480 continue. I mean, I miss the old day. I missed the days 339 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:03,400 when the scolds and the reformers were standing on a corner with a Salvation Army 340 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,480 band, you know, and being you know, prim and a little bit 341 00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:11,880 puritan as opposed to these endless, endless, tiresome, odorous Marxists that had 342 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:18,440 been devil since that Harry Bastard wrote his book. Ah, I don't know 343 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,200 how to respond to that. I don't know what to I mean, look, 344 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,279 what's gonna happen? You said, what's gonna happen? I mean I 345 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:29,240 think what's gonna happen is they're gonna where those kids are going to go into 346 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:36,480 the They're gonna go into teaching. Yeah great, unless I mean, I 347 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,160 I had lunch yesterday with old friend of ours, old friend of our, 348 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:48,200 of Bricochets, Andy Kestler, great columnists for the wal Walls Journal, wonderful 349 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,880 guy, friend of I just looked at Peter's face and he was like, 350 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,839 really, what's going on there? And he's one of the smartest people who 351 00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:03,440 writes these hilariou It's brilliant but also very entertaining, lovely columns on Wall Street 352 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,440 Journal. If you have not read Anty Kessler's columns, you really should treat 353 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,359 yourself. And we're talking about this stuff, and you know, we're saying, 354 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,039 like, well, the only solution, I mean, it used to 355 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,640 be that you'd say, oh, you know what, we need to reform 356 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,119 these places. We need to reform these schools. The schools need to do 357 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,759 X, Y and Z know. And we're talking about this yesterday. I 358 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:26,759 don't know if he agreed with me, but what I said was no, 359 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:30,039 No, they need to be replaced. They need to they need to no 360 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,759 longer exist, they need to market beats to squash them out. And we 361 00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,119 need to stop treating a Columbia or Yale or Dartmouth or a Harvard degrees if 362 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,720 it means meaningful, and that we need to stop referring to that as an 363 00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:45,440 education, because it's an education is as a specific noun that means something. 364 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,880 Instead it's a diploma, which is a certificate you got. The culture needs 365 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,160 to reject it and replace these institutions with new and different and better institutions, 366 00:28:56,359 --> 00:29:02,799 not fantasized about reform them. Rich people in charge, even a rich conservatives 367 00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:06,279 in charge, have a hard time doing that because they went to Harbord too 368 00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:07,480 or Yale princident or you know whatever, and they're like, well, I, 369 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:14,400 you know, can't you just fix this bad part about this great credential 370 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,200 that I have instead of throwing the credential out And the answer is no. 371 00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:22,079 And I suspect that across the culture in politics too. I mean, look, 372 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,400 I don't know people listening to this that are staunch Republicans, and there's 373 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,839 staunch Trump voters, and there are people listening to other podcasts that are staunch 374 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,680 Democrats and staunch Biden voters. But there's a whole bunch of people we all 375 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,559 know who are in the middle, and there's bigger that number is getting bigger 376 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:40,880 and bigger and bigger that are saying that even people who are going to you 377 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,319 know, hold their nose and vote for one of the two clowns running are 378 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:48,319 saying, how did this happen? Right? How did we get to this? 379 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:57,039 And we got to this because the parties are old and ossified and sclerotic 380 00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:00,960 and they need to be replaced. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth's, 381 00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:07,920 NYU Columbia are sclerotic. The universities are ossified, and they need to be 382 00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:12,359 replaced. We need new brands, new names, new institutions. Is a 383 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:17,200 very unpleasant thing for a conservative to say, because we're supposed to be conserving 384 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,599 these things. But you know, every now and then, you got to 385 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,559 throw it all out. You've got to throw the baby and the bath water 386 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,559 out and get yourself a new baby and the tub Peter. You are there 387 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,599 in academia, you see the likelihood of this actually happening, because it seems 388 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:36,240 to me that the institutions that we have seen covered themselves with bespattered with the 389 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,160 feces of their own actions in the last four or five years, is we've 390 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:44,319 watched every single one of them sunder their responsibilities and waste their credibility. That 391 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,400 the only thing that actually replaces these institutions which are still here, still around 392 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,960 us, is some societal catastrophe that that that that takes the whiteboard and just 393 00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:57,599 takes everything off it. And then and then of course you you, you 394 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,319 turn, you turn to the assembled people and say, well, what do 395 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,680 we write next? That's never good because what they end up writing is some 396 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,319 utopian nonsense that falls apart in bloodshed and the guillotine in about four or five 397 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:12,480 years. So absence some sort of catastrophe that it makes the very concept of 398 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:18,480 Harvard and Yale part of the old and before times, is it likely that 399 00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:22,599 these institutions will be changed? I don't know. By the way. I 400 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:32,119 agree with Rob that Yale must be replaced, but I have some reservations about 401 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,880 Dartmouth. Yeah, yeah, and the bath water out ball. So here's 402 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,640 what. Dartmouth has a new president. She's been on the job for about 403 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:47,400 a year now, and after October seventh, Dartmouth responded, is of course 404 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,480 I'm paying close attention because I have my youngest child is about to graduate in 405 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,519 a few weeks, and so I'm paying attention to what's happening at Dartmouth. 406 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:01,000 I've all right. They responded pretty well. They put together instead of big, 407 00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:06,880 huge protests, the college immediately organized. I believe it was a history 408 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,440 professor who understands a great deal about the Arab world, and another professor who 409 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:16,960 understands a great deal about the history of Israel and Judaism, and they had 410 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:23,000 events for the kids to come actually learn things that they couldn't learn on Fox 411 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:29,240 News or CNN. My point is this, this is the moment when those 412 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:36,960 institutions either get it together and reform themselves or at this point, I do 413 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:42,640 believe we're at a decisive moment. Rob will be proven right if within six 414 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,480 months or so we don't see, well, how Yale reforms itself. I 415 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:51,440 don't know, but Harvard has a vacancy in the presidency. Whom Harvard chooses 416 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,960 as the new president will tell us a great deal about whether these institutions. 417 00:32:57,119 --> 00:33:00,640 When I say these institutions, what do I mean, I'm I mean no 418 00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:05,119 new institution is ever going to have three centuries of history, which is what 419 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,359 Harvard has, or two and a half two hundred and eighty year, which 420 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:12,079 is what Dartmouth has Yale. Yale's the second oldest is I recall, so 421 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,839 Yale's close to three hundred is a year as well. No new institution will 422 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:21,680 have that. No institution, No new institution will have one hundred thousand alumni, 423 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,680 nor will it have what's the Harvard and dominant. Harvard and Yale are 424 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,640 both in the midillions billion. Yeah, Dartmouth is eight billion or something like 425 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,559 that, A little small, much smaller. So they have resource, they 426 00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:37,799 have they have tradition, they have records of service to the country at least 427 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:45,279 up until the nineteen sixties. They're worth saving if they can be saved, 428 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:51,200 and we will very soon know. A question for rob Look what happened in 429 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,279 Texas. They tried it in Texas, they got dispersed. They tried it 430 00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:57,640 in Georgia. Oh boy, did they get dispersed. It tried in Florida. 431 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,279 Not gonna fly? Is the question, maybe not to blow up those 432 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:05,960 institutions, but to somehow manage to transfer the credibility that they have to places 433 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,800 that are less likely to let a thousand jew haters bloom. Yeah, I 434 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,440 mean sure, okay, I mean I like. I like my solution, 435 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:22,119 which is like total destruction of that institution and rebuilding it from the from the 436 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,199 rubble. But I see that you're probably yours is a more judicious and probably 437 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,880 more effective and more realistic suggestion, I would just say about the Harvard thing, 438 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,079 which I think will be interesting. I hear. My prediction for the 439 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:37,679 next president of Harvard will be somebody who you have no idea. They'll be 440 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:45,559 the blandest, most anadyne, most carefully calibrated pay portrayal of that person, 441 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:50,639 whoever that person is. I mean, if they could, if they could 442 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,840 generate an AI president of Harvard, they would do it, because what they 443 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:59,159 need is somebody who has no opinions and doesn't represent anything and is it going 444 00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,840 to make anybody man and has no paper trail on that person. My guess 445 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,039 is that person is going to come from stem right. I mean, that's 446 00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:07,800 who you want. That's the goal. That's like somebody who's like basically been 447 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:14,440 doing important research and something useful. Uh and and and it's going to be 448 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,960 a dog whistle for people on the right because we're going to be kind of 449 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,360 figured. You know, listen, if you've been sitting in a lab and 450 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,079 you if you believe that there's a right answer to the problem, and you 451 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:27,199 believe that there is such a thing as truth, then you're probably on our 452 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,719 side correct. So that's that will be how that shakes up, I think, 453 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,119 but I still feel like, you know, I don't know why we 454 00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:37,159 You know, what we need is more we're clinging to these brands. I 455 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:40,360 don't know, we should just no brands. I mean, like, what 456 00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:44,679 Barry Weiss is doing is amazing. What see what Ben Sass is doing in 457 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:50,559 Florida is incredible. I think there are people that are trying to come up 458 00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:52,760 with a new way, a new way of treating, a new way of 459 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,599 treating higher education that is in fact the old way, which is, how 460 00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:59,519 do I teach you? I prepare, teach you to be a great citizen, 461 00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:04,440 a useful citizen, Prepare you for a life of some kind of production 462 00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:08,920 service, and give you the tools you need to make your way in the 463 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:15,280 world, instead of how do I give you a four year subsidized vacation so 464 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:22,239 you can explore your trauma and figure out how the world and your life have 465 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,280 been unbearable for you. I'm not quite willing to join you in destroying the 466 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:34,679 IVYS, but here's where I am willing to join you. This is America. 467 00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:40,800 It's a great, big country, and the idea that the Ivys have 468 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,000 retained with the IVYS eight institutions ones in New York and that all the rest 469 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,159 are in two are in New York, Columbia and Cornell, and all the 470 00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:53,039 rest are in New England. And they're very very they do hold a special 471 00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:58,280 place in our history. But the idea that they should have dominant levels of 472 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,280 prestige, that they should have been the dominant educational institutions. As long as 473 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,760 they that's over. It's just done. Here's one thing we have in this 474 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:12,320 country. We have regions, we have federalism. We have the University of 475 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,599 Florida, which is a great public institution. And the people who run the 476 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:22,440 University of Florida in part the governor, but also other I think they're called 477 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,320 trustees. I can't recall the governing structure. But they bring in Ben Sas 478 00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:31,920 and what is Bensas? What is one of Ben SAS's first moves to end 479 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,519 DEI at the University of Florida. Folks, some of you will lose your 480 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,920 jobs, some of you will be transferred into new positions within the university. 481 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,440 Those of you who lose your jobs will be able to apply for new But 482 00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:49,280 it's over. And two weeks later, the University of Texas says DEI is 483 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,639 done. And they are a little less nuanced about it. They just fire 484 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,360 a bunch of people. Well, God blessed Texas and God blessed Florida. 485 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:04,400 We've got different. We have this entrepreneurial spirit. So the University of Austin 486 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,679 is a brand new institution. This is what Barry Weiss is participating in. 487 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:14,079 It's what my colleague here at Hoover, Neil Ferguson is participating in full disclosure. 488 00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:15,760 It's what my oldest son, where my oldest son is working down in 489 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,920 Austin right now, put helping to put together the University of Austin, which 490 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,559 will admit students this fall. It will be up and running and functioning. 491 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,400 It is an accredited university. It has raised many tens of millions, I 492 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,719 think at this stage that's fair to say, many hundreds of millions of dollars. 493 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,760 It's going to work. Let them have it. The idea that the 494 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,559 University of Texas should in any way bowance scrape to Yale. It's over. 495 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:51,800 That's just done. You managed to I like, how you you've taken my 496 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,039 bold statement and you've said, well, not obviously at dark but Yale for 497 00:38:55,079 --> 00:39:02,440 sure. Yeah, the unambiguous. Yeah, you start bringing the village down, 498 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,199 and you burn the whole village down. You could start again. It's 499 00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:07,400 no big deal, right, We'll be fine. I mean, look, 500 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,880 I mean I remember years and years ago talking to a reading an artist read 501 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,639 a great book by the great writer James Grant, who is a wonderful financial 502 00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,159 writer, and then im and he's like, you know, we have this, 503 00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,199 we have this idea that these things aren't supposed to change, that all 504 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,519 monecary monetary system lasts forever, and they don't like the dollar changes its value 505 00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:29,800 and what it stands for, and then world currency changes happens a lot like 506 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,880 these changes do happen, right, and there's a lot of chaos when they 507 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,360 do, and a lot of fear when they do. But yeah, you 508 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,599 know, I don't know. We should be prepared for that, and we 509 00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:43,840 shouldn't cling to what seemed to me to be institutions that are totally out of 510 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,960 gas. Look, if something doesn't suit, something doesn't suit you and suit 511 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:52,000 your your culture and your needs anymore, come up with something better replace it. 512 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,400 It would be great to wake up one dred, to wake up one 513 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,760 hundred years later and find that Yale and Harvard are the nation's preeminent technical schools, 514 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,840 vocational schools. There used to be I know, look at that guy, 515 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:08,800 his son got a plumbing degree from Yale. Oh Man, respect that 516 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,679 was there. There were there were seminaries right which seminary was was essentially a 517 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:19,639 trade school, and then there was a there was a this Sheffield Science School 518 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,480 or Sheffield Science Academy or something was basically half of Yale. Now it's now 519 00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:27,599 financially these these institutions of at least Ye and Harvard. I don't know about 520 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:30,760 the other ones, but those institutions financially are if you look at their budget, 521 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:36,639 if you look at their financial profile, they are healthcare companies. They're 522 00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:42,679 hospitals and research hospitals with a little bit of a university attached to it on 523 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,000 the side. In terms of the amount of money they are, they are 524 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,320 the healthcare insurance. So it's it's they're already there. We just have We 525 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,440 just don't want to give it up. Because the people who write New York 526 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,719 Times, people are on TV and people like me were like like, we 527 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,239 want you to think that Yale was really something special, which it was, 528 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,840 but we want you to think it confers confers upon me. Some kind of 529 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,599 like extra credibility, which it does not do, which I don't have to 530 00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,960 tell the Bricachet listeners that they already know. I've done more to diminish the 531 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,960 prestige of Gale University on this podcast than anybody. Well. I mean, 532 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,440 the notion of a university always in the public mind had a certain segment of 533 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,840 airyheaded, professor absent minded types who would wander around and to think about keats 534 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,800 and the rest of it, and have no practical application to the rest of 535 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,480 the world. Now, though, I think there is the general idea that 536 00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:34,599 the people who feel these universities are motivated by two things, one of profound 537 00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:38,039 ignorance of the past and to a profound hatred of it and everything that they 538 00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:47,119 that they do. Instead of producing some scholarly, dense, ultimately useless guide 539 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,400 to Lord Byron's seventeenth conto of Don Juwon. Instead, what they're doing is 540 00:41:52,400 --> 00:42:02,159 they're turning out interchangeable, unreadable, dense concatenations of buzzwords about social issues, 541 00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:08,199 the only purpose of which is to identify and to clarify the evil nature of 542 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,559 this system and the requirements that would be completely dismantled. I mean that's it, 543 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,239 by the way, in any way an overstatement. When Claudie Kay, 544 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,880 the president of Harvard, when her papers began to circulate on the on the 545 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,960 internet because she'd been accused of plagiarism, accurately accused, we now it immediately 546 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:34,639 became clear they were exactly what you just described unreadable, I mean, nothing 547 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,840 but rivers of jargon, plagiarized. It was like, how could you tell 548 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:45,039 exactly where do you find such bad writing to steal? If you if you 549 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:51,119 barred the use of the slew of sociological nonsense in the in these people's works, 550 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,519 they would would be unable to produce a thesis paper because I mean, 551 00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:58,320 it's like new speak. There's no way to vocalize or to conceive of the 552 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:05,239 idea. But the ideas themselves are just tiresome, tiresome repetitions of the whole 553 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,760 idea that we are all merely helpless, powerless cogs in a system of systemic 554 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:17,960 systemism, and that only through true valuation and interrogation of our intersectionality can liberation 555 00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:22,119 be. It's just, I mean, it has gone so far up betime 556 00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:30,920 quarters that the entire I mean, it's importantly, they've just made intellectual pretzels 557 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,360 of themselves. And so but we kind of get that now, don't. 558 00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:38,679 We've all seen this on display over and that is that the public the popular 559 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,360 conception now that people who go to these places or I mean, I can't 560 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,360 conceive of the people who send their kids to school to learn this stuff actually 561 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,679 think there's merit in it. They're just doing, as Rob said, for 562 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:54,800 the certificates that brands them as employable at this level in this place. Yeah. 563 00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:02,400 Look, the the one of the side effects, which was positive I 564 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:09,000 think in general of education was that you you you you got confused that do 565 00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:14,079 you You went and you learned enough that about the world that it made you 566 00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:19,280 confused, like well, I don't know, like it's confusing, right, 567 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,440 And you just don't see that on the Columbia or NYU campus. Those kids 568 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,360 are not confused. They don't They don't mean they should be, but they're 569 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,280 not embarrassed that they don't know why they're down on n YU. They go, 570 00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:36,960 I should learn more about it specifically, but they just know that in 571 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,960 general that that that they're doing the right thing, and which is something they've 572 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,239 been told by their teachers, which is their teacher because their teach. I 573 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,000 mean all my teachers were not on my team. Not of my professors, 574 00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:50,039 because they were that was the wrong generation. But most of them, certainly 575 00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:53,719 every single graduate teaching assistant I had, and every sort of English teacher and 576 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,239 on history teacher, most of them anyway, had had some kind of important 577 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:05,320 adolescent experience in the sixties and decided that their curriculum was going to be based 578 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,559 upon how great the sixties were. And you can any university you go you 579 00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:12,840 look at, there will be a class or two, or ten or fifty 580 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,719 about the sixties and how great they were and how important they were. There 581 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:21,000 will not be any classes about the fifties or the forties, or the twenties, 582 00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:24,920 even maybe the twenties in English literature, but like or the seventies, 583 00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:30,280 right right, the generation that rioded in the streets in the sixties and did 584 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:36,239 nothing went on to teach classes about how great they did. They wrote their 585 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,840 own myths, and this is the generation that grew up on that myth. 586 00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:46,320 You're making an absolutely fascinating point that takes me back in my own memory. 587 00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:52,480 I'm just enough older than you, Rob, thank you for admitting that. 588 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:58,000 Yeah, well, when I was at Dartmouth, there were two layers of 589 00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:02,760 professors, and when I was there, the senior professors had all trained in 590 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,480 the fifties and they were all men. They were, yes, I think 591 00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:16,519 without exception that they were all men, and they had standards. They spoke 592 00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:22,920 well. Vincent Starzinger constitutional law. You never saw Vincent Starzinger without a jacket 593 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,920 and tie. And in class he would say, mister Robinson, what do 594 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,880 you have to say about Reynolds v. Simms? Mister law. That was 595 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,679 still alive, it was still real. But at the same time, the 596 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,920 associate professors, the young guys had trained during the sixties, and it was 597 00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:45,440 exactly as you described. But I was there at the last glimmering where you 598 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,880 could avoid the jokers. I mean, I can remember walking into class and 599 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,079 there I won't name his name. I don't think he ever got ten year 600 00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:58,000 at Dartmouth because he seems to have disappeared. But this guy had long hair 601 00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:01,840 and he wore jeans, and his class began. He sat on the desk 602 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,079 and looked at us and said, well, okay, let's talk about it. 603 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,800 What did you guys make of Taming of the Shrew? And I thought 604 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:20,599 to myself, my parents, dart. This is hard for them for me 605 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,760 to pay to come here. I don't want to hear what my classmates make 606 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,480 of taming. In other words, you could just you could just feel it. 607 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,199 You could at the sixties were right there. So, of course, 608 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,280 needless to say, I had dropped that course and ran back to Jeff Hart, 609 00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,760 who had trained at Columbia under Mark Van Doren and Lionel Trilling in the 610 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,480 great old days. But you could see it. You're absolutely right, the 611 00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:47,559 sixties were decisive. But I have to disagree with Rob. Do they talk 612 00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:52,199 about did they talk about the fifties? Did they talk about the seventies? 613 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,199 Yes, they do, because they have to constantly mind the past for proof 614 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,519 of all of the various horrible things that the culture has done to marginalize people 615 00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:05,079 forever. So, in other words, are they going to teach the full 616 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,639 breadth and scope of the seventies? How it was, how the first part 617 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,760 was a kurdled eff fluorescence of the nonsense of the sixties, and how the 618 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:17,840 later part was a complete descent into into Weymar era style degeneracy. Before we 619 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,840 stood up and put our tie back on and our suit coode back on instead 620 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,679 of behavior. I mean, do they tell that state. No. What 621 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:30,559 they will do is they'll have a class about how the origins of queer theory 622 00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:34,280 can be found in the first transgender person to start the riots at Stone Wall, 623 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,519 and they'll get somebody who's great poems that were published in a chap book, 624 00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:42,719 who didn't capitalize their name and didn't have any particular rhyme scheme as being 625 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,159 the most important pote of the eras. So they'll go back and they'll they'll 626 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:52,119 the past can be excavated over and over again to exalt and bring up all 627 00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,079 the people who are now the heroes, the people who stood thwart the various 628 00:48:55,119 --> 00:49:00,880 culty. So don't teach them the cult. It's a given that the culture 629 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,159 of the time was wrong because it was hero inormative, it was white supremacist, 630 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,679 it was Western civilization. That's a given. So the only the only 631 00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:10,480 bones you can make is to go back and find all the reasons that it 632 00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:14,480 were wrong. Now that we've all agreed that it's wrong, but it kills 633 00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:20,199 me that these people do these things in these settings that are designed to sum 634 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,719 up the great aspirational notion of Western architecture and how it must gall them really 635 00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:30,360 to walk around with these ideas festering and curdling in their head and igniting their 636 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,840 heart, and to look around and to know that they are utterly incapable of 637 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,280 constructing a civilization that can construct something like the beauty that they see around him. 638 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,199 Yep, he James has done it again. He's talked to us into 639 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,800 total submission. Rob. Yeah, he's yeah, you know, I if 640 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,199 I if I just spam every if I spam everything with fifty points, then 641 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:58,440 nobody knows what to respond to. Rob. Is there anything else you'd like 642 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,440 to say about Yale? Rob, Robbie R just holding a torch of light 643 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,880 to I mean, the first thing he does is turn around to throw it 644 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,880 at his own house. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, 645 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:14,599 uh, it's always a question, right are you throwing out the right stuff 646 00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:17,000 or not? Right? That's that's that's kind of what we as you move 647 00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:21,039 through life, as you move through the culture, like, Okay, we're 648 00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:22,920 getting rid of some bad stuff and we're going to keep the good stuff, 649 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,440 and we just got to make sure we're throwing away the good stuff. They're 650 00:50:25,519 --> 00:50:28,679 keeping the good stuff and throwing bad stuff, and we're doing a good job. 651 00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:32,360 If you accept that the label of a thing doesn't matter, that there's 652 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:37,280 no particular value to Yale anymore. There oh, there is a there is 653 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:42,599 a value to education and to knowledge and to truth. Then you have to 654 00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:45,199 ask yourself, what's the goal of a society. What's the goal of an 655 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,199 education is? That's to educate the next generation to be useful, productive citizens 656 00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:52,360 and contribute meaningfully to the you know, further furtherance of the human race and 657 00:50:52,639 --> 00:51:00,760 human flourishing in general. So it's not to keep Yale afloat. Now, 658 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,559 if that happens automatic anyway, fine, that's that's certainly has been the case 659 00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:07,280 for the past two hundred years. But everything kind of runs out of gas 660 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:12,480 eventually and you had to change. So what's the goal isn't to mean I'm 661 00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:15,719 not a nihilist. I'm not saying the goal is to throw to torch the 662 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,840 idea here. I'm just saying, find another way to do it. The 663 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,400 point, the strategy, the goal is the same, the pathway is different. 664 00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:30,880 So Yale to Lenda st Well, there's hope. One of the most 665 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,360 popular series on streaming last month I think was The Three Body Problem, which 666 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,920 starts out with a very vivid and effective demonstration of a communist Red Guard struggle 667 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,679 session. And I'm watching this. I think it's Netflix, Apple, I 668 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,159 don't know. I think about Ian McGregor, who's stuck in a hotel in 669 00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:51,119 Moscow during the Bolshevik revolutions. My god, the comedies are pretty general. 670 00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:55,960 Moscow comedies are pretty yeah. Yeah, the Bolshies are pretty awful. Horrible 671 00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,800 people there too, So I mean that's that's two representations commedi's in the media 672 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:07,239 and lately as being bad. That's a heartening sign. And also, while 673 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,480 we of course horror collectivism, we do like people getting together. And I 674 00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:14,639 believe Rob you before we go, we need to tell us about some meetups 675 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,400 that are going to be happening. Yeah, I would just say the greatest 676 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,320 thing about Ricochet is that we have I r L in real life gatherings, 677 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,119 which are kind of the fun of it. You know, sometimes we I 678 00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:30,239 think we spend too much time front of a screen. Later this year, 679 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:35,400 Ricochet members are getting together Bore the National Review Cruise. That's mid June, 680 00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:37,440 so I think it's still places available, So if you're if you're mid June 681 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,840 free, you can join your fellow Ricochet members and go there. And I 682 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,559 know they always have a couple of meetups there and they have a couple of 683 00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:46,400 tables and it's actually a lot of fun. But I've had I've had more 684 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,440 fun meeting Ricochet members on those cruises. I'm not going on this one, 685 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,480 but there are a lot of fun. Last week, Katie Koppleman member Katie 686 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:59,119 Cauleman put out in our tineray for fourth of July weekend meetup in Fargo. 687 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,199 I would be there. I would be there. That's around the corner from 688 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,840 you. Yes, okay, so that's fourth of July. Uh Fargar, 689 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,880 North Dakota. Matt Bauser is hosting the annual German Fest meetup in Milwaukee during 690 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,000 the last weekend of July, so we have, you know, we have 691 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,119 mid June and July kind of taken care of and the and Randy Wivoda is 692 00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:21,519 hosting a meeting meeting up in Saint Louis in early October. And Randy is 693 00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:25,559 like this incredible meetup, you know, Master mc impresario. He put together 694 00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:28,960 the one we did in New Orleans a little while ago. And uh, 695 00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:32,119 and they're always really they're more than just a meetup. He usually puts together 696 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,199 something else too, and Saint Louis is a really interesting place, a really 697 00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:39,840 interesting city. So those are just the three that are on my dashboard, 698 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,119 but there are more always coming up. And if you're like, well, 699 00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:45,519 listen the fourth of July, I can't make it. I can't get July 700 00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:50,039 and June or done and October maybe, but I want to do one in 701 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:54,519 September. Join Ricochet, put up a member post, tell us when and 702 00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:59,719 where you want to meet, and I guarantee you the Ricochet membership will show 703 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,760 up, because that's what we do. M It's like the Elks, it's 704 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,199 like the ioof It's like the Kowanas, the Rotarians and the rest of it, 705 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,360 with all the rules and the rest of it. So yes, Ricochet, 706 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,639 go there. Join if you haven't already, and if you've been listening 707 00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:15,599 to six hundred and eighty on any of these podcasts, I think maybe six 708 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,800 hundred and ninety out of be the one that finally gets you to join, 709 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,960 or maybe six ninety one. I do. It's been it's been a lot 710 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:28,519 of fun. Nothing starts my Friday my weekend off better than sitting here in 711 00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,599 this room, staring out at the skyline of my great City and talking to 712 00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:35,159 Robin Peter and I hope everybody's enjoyed the conversation as well. We'll see you 713 00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:38,440 all in the comments at Ricochet four point out next week. Guys, next 714 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:46,320 week, fellas Ricochet join the conversation