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It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with
Jack and carn s e O and JP

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Sorrow. He's a lapsed fan and
all my years and wrestling, I never

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seen anything And it's the laps fan
man by the one in the ring.

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Forget about Sado. He the real
king of swing. When the bell goes

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in the kick like me throwing in
the corner, but gets rash like stick.

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Even Jerry King gets take off the
crowd nodded in his head like it.

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Steve low Brown, would you get
low down? We go even high

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up? Flipp you on your head, But you know cool driver, you

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speak more, dragon spits fire,
give you more shock than when he treats

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higher drop a more truth than the
con of sniper unless you with a coconut

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Roddy Pipper Jack a JP he like
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the brain Bob means the best podcast. Frost start the close cloud if you

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are it's a flassic and pose Ladies
and gentlemen. It's uh, it's time

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to go to Milan for the first
time ever. Pack your bags, boss,

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I shall I say it? The
fuck did this show end up in

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our little hat of random shows?
To Will from WWF European Rampage nineteen ninety

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three from Milan, Italy. I
can tell you exactly how so when we

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got that incredible catalog of shows before
the network, when we feared that the

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network would completely be destroyed via Peacock, we have I they I when I

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downloaded the collection, they were all
these fucking shows, these these these fucking

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pay per view esque. You know, I put I put down. I

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added so much to the to the
catalog because of that, just so much

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of so much stuff to our to
our little, our little bit of goodies.

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And this was one of them,
I guess. And then out it

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came. So you're saying this was
on the network, but it's not on

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PEACX No, no, no,
no, no, it was not on

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network. Not on network. This
was never on the network, but it

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was one of those we got.
We got so much stuff from that group

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who collected all those shows. Oh
pretty much. Yeah, And so there's

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as a backstop for us. Yeah, there is there is stuff that like,

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for example, this that I had
no idea existed on any sort of

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platform, and here we have it. And you know, there are so

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many random random house shows, random
European tour shows that we now have access

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to that we wouldn't have had before. It's really something to get a glimpse

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into WWF between WrestleMania and nine and
King of the Ring. Oh yeah,

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oh yeah in terms of you know, Hogan wins the belt at WrestleMania nine,

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But that was kind of slapped together. He wasn't set to go on

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tour. He wasn't set to be
the face of w w F immediately.

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Oh that, brother, what I'm
the face, dude, I'm always a

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face. Well, yeah, what
do you mean? Therein lies the rub?

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Because who do they put on top
here in Milan and across the European

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swing? They did here ninety three? Bre ho ho ho ho? Brother,

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who's given who the rub? Huh? Who's rub? Wherein lies?

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Who's rub? Who's given the rub? Brother? Well? What I mean

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we're talking barbecue hero? What I'll
think you got the dry rub? It

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was Brett. I mean Brett versus
Bam Bam Bigelow Before the King of the

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Ring. I can't and would the
same finish. No, less I know

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the for the victory roll? Oh
my god, what I know? Exactly

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before King of the Ring Brett book
calls the match. They have a King

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of the Ring of the semi finals, right other finals, Yeah, it

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was the finals finals, the best
one they had, But this one really

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resembles it in so many ways.
It does, it does, and it's

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just fascinating to see what is essentially
a WWF house show circa nineteen ninety three.

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Totally yep. But it just happens
to be put together as a television

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production because there was demand from this
Italian sports network that we'll talk about to

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show it and across the circuit,
including in Spain, I know for sure

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where they went to Barcelona. There
was also television clearance for the show,

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which is what a time to be
alive, you know, Oh, totally,

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WWF comes to your country, something
that you have to watch afar without

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internet, so you only get fleeting
glimpses yep, yep. And then when

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they do come, it's such a
big deal that they put it on an

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actual television it's just like a one
off special event. Insane. So always

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been fascinated by the degree to which
WWF, particularly in this era pre Internet,

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penetrated Europe. Yes, and the
degree to wait which they were I

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don't know, I don't say household
names. But when we hear up from

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our fans in the UK over the
years, it just seems like in the

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Hasbro era they were just taking a
smidge more seriously in the UK than they

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were in the US, even though
of course they were more well distributed in

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the US. It just seemed like
a bigger deal. I mean, if

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look no further of course than Summer
Slam nineteen ninety two in the benchmarks that

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set for a main event that you
know, there's no hul Cogan. There

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was really it really wasn't you know, the big drawing cards of the rock

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and wrestling era just coming to the
UK. They started going there in like

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nineteen eighty nine, and with that
started going to other European countries. That's

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really won the whole idea of going
on a European tour after WrestleMania, which

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they still do to this day,
really started And so we get a glimpse

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of the nineteen ninety three flavor of
that. But again because of how wacky

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the top of the card was and
how as we've talked about a nauseum over

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the years, over ten years here
on the show, Vince going back to

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Hogan in Vegas. It just left
like this crew behind. That is like

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what would have been had they not
agreed on that last minute Hulkogan title win

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at WrestleMania nine. Yep, I
know. And here's Brett, you know,

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just like grit in his teeth and
like being all pissy about what happened

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with Hogan, being promised that one
day Hogan will put him over, and

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then of course the day never comes
and it's actually the aforementioned King of the

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Ring, as we've talked about before, that he basically cuss his Hulk out

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in the back. Yep, well, brother, is a misunderstanding. Of

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course, there's no I didn't.
I didn't. I don't, brother,

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I didn't do the what you say
I did, right. I don't even

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know what you're going to say I
did yet, brother, But I don't

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even see. I don't know what
you accused me of. Brother, butro

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I can tell you right now,
I didn't do it. Just because ult

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Hogan is box office, brother,
doesn't mean you've got to come at me

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wide open. Brother. I'm I'm
dude, I'm look. I'm as shocked

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as you are that I won the
title. Oh, I mean why right?

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I mean, I'm sitting there,
dude, and all of a sudden,

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Vince says, well, you know, derry On, I think you

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should have winned the title for real. Cazuna Rustlemania has a great vice imitation.

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That's a new that's a new friend
to your ten years in lapsed characters

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imitating other lapsed characters. Jesse Ventura
does Jim Barnett and not on the way

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Jim would want a Well here's my
impression of of of Jimmy Barnett. Hey,

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verity of this is fascinating and delicious. That's like, I mean,

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that's a layer upon a layer upon
a layer. Yeah, basically a Neapolitan

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It's a geez, what is it? Well we are well, we are

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in Italy, so we could get
a Neapolitan pie down south. Oh my

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god, I mean I thought you
picked this just because Italy. No,

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this was picked out of the hat. And I know, I know,

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but uh, chow chow. This
is I mean, if you don't count

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the Japanese shows we did, which
you should, this is a unique challenge

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for us, and that we don't
have English language commentary to make fun of

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exactly well, there's plenty of Italian
language commentary to make fun of. So

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we've done our level best from from
Italian language commentary done by an American.

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Oh yeah, there's there's not Ladies
and gentlemen, the voice of Italian basketball

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who took the assignment here. The
name not Lucian. His name is Dan

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Peterson, Daniel Lowell Peterson, to
be exactly from Illinois. I mean,

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what the fuck is Dan Peterson?
Ladies and gentlemen, you want to you

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want to look upon a lapsed species. Oh my god, take a look

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at this fucking guy. How this
guy ever? Like, it's hilarious that

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this guy became fucking fluent enough in
Italian to all of a sudden be like

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a head announcer over there, Like
what the fuck? We'll talk a lot

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about him. He went over there
and made himself a legend and in Italy

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as a you know, an American
basketball coach who went over there to prop

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up their their professional basketball league,
where you know, basketball is a pretty

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serious sport in Italy relative to the
other European countries, and that was also

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the entree for in some ways for
his his colleague on the broadcast. Now,

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of course, Dan Peterson is alone
in the booth. He calls it

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Joey styles style, but wasn't he
in the FBI and c W. Guido

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Bagatta, who's doing backstage mean Jean
style, internomes against the same backdrop that

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you would see in the Golden era. He could give a ship, but

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he has to funny. He says
a bunch of sh in Italian, but

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then he has to ask the question
in English because the wrest of us have

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to understand what he's saying, even
though not really because it's fake. So

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they're gonna say what they're going to
say anyway, right exactly. And there's

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a hit ful of times where he
doesn't translate the question and they're still exactly.

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To me, that's the that's the
most fascinating thing when you look at

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it, that basically these wrestlers are
fluent in every language. They understand every

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language, and they know how to
respond in every you know, in English,

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to every every every question in a
different language. Oka is k fabe

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in any language? Right? Oh
my god, I I really it's it's

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it's so funny to see Gueta Bagatt
fucking lay in a question on on on

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I R S and humd just fucking
without even flinching, just talk and it's

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so it's just it's so surreal.
It's so surreal. How about that Undertaker

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Yoko match? How did they not
bring their their A game to Italy?

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I mean that's like that's a lasagna
that came way too early. Let me

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tell you they they they didn't bring
their A game, but they brought their

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pizza gain. Okay, that's for
sure. They devoured the pizza Gain before

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the show. You know, when
you hear Brett in his book described like

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bad attitude, go home early Yoko
Zun at WrestleMania nine. You know,

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WWF champion gets to his head.
Yet in a WrestleMania nine it's hard to

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like see what he's talking about because
you don't, Yes, you don't see

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the workaday Yoko. You only see
you know, those glimpses that happen to

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make it to television. Oh and
most of it's you know, pre taped.

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But here you see a Yogo that
just could give a fuck yep.

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He I mean, you've never seen
less conviction in terms of a swinging of

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AsSalt bucket to end the match,
you know, out of absolutely nowhere against

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the Undertaker. But that's that's what
they had to offer you know, if

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you take Hogan under the equation and
you really look at nineteen ninety three,

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it's particularly in the spring. This
is all they have this crew, well,

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because you're certainly going to fly giant
Gonzales anywhere, No, not at

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all. You know, they keep
Sean Michaels back because they remember Monday Night

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Raw had just launched in January,
so they still need people for Raw.

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And he's got to lose the belt
to Martin Jenny. He does. Yes,

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this is that time period. You're
right, yeah, so this is

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weird and that this is the first
year where WWF has to worry about having

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a weekly television slot. To to
mind, not to say Rob was live

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every week, It certainly wasn't.
But you couldn't just go on the European

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Tour without keeping some guys behind for
at least the one live Raw and then

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you know, if you're gonna take
upy the rows that they don't have all

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these trees on the European Tour.
I didn't even really think about that,

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but that is very that's a very
good point that that there are so many

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like seos scenario, Like think about
it. You know, you look at

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the roster in ninety two. You
look at the roster in ninety three and

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it's so depleted. Yeah, you
know, you know you don't have you

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don't have Warrior, I meld Savage
bull You know if Bulldog Savage is basically

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uh, you know, he's just
a commentator, he's on the back burner.

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I mean to it. They couldn't
do. You know what would have

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been really great if they if they
had flown out Rob Bartlet's do commentary alongside

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Dan Peterson. I think I would
have loved that. Yeah, it's it

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struck me all of a sudden watching
this. There there are no Italian speaking

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WWF wrestlers and this in this time
period. None, no, no,

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none, none I can think of. They finally regretted letting Sala BelOMO go,

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but not even sal Sincere was in
the company. Although I'm not sure

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to speak Italian. No, uh, yeah, it's uh does Lombardi speak

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Italian? Hu in a way in
the same way everybody from Brooklyn does?

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Right? I a certain I forgot
about it. Yeah, Mozzarell, even

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though you Mozzarell and they're like,
what the fuck? Why do you pronounce

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it like mozzarell? What is that? What? Is you gotta say,

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I mean, you say the ad
at the end if it's Italian, Like,

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why why did Italian America drop that? It doesn't make any sense to

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me. It's such New York Italian
ship. It's a little you know,

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it's kind of weak mozzarell the gabba
goo. Yeah, that's it's kind of

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like, guys, you're trying too
hard, which is weird because you should

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be authentic. Yeah, but you're
like you're warping the actual native pronunciation for

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what reason? Probably the same reason
you'd put ketchup on a bacon egg and

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cheese. Brother, I didn't need
to concern you. It is red,

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that's true, and the cheese is
yellow red egg. Look past that,

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brother, And you're talking about like, I don't know where you're what you're

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getting at. That's I don't know. I don't know. I just don't

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you know, do not? Hey, you're a bulet? Why didn't you

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go to Italy? Very blay,
that's what they would call them. Imagine

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that making his way down? Oh
god, I mean, doesn't the whole

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Hogan Holcy media boom period sound just
a little lamer? If whatever they went

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to Italy, they called them Terry
BOLEYA if they called them Hulk Hogan,

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Terry Blaya, that's what they needed
to call them. Picture the Hasbro Hogan

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packaging and only in Italy it says
Terry boleas Hull and yes, the Lapstar

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system. That is a call for
you to get to work photo shopping that

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shit when the figure y Balaya.
Oh so it's up, brother, How

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you doing? Yeah? Well who
should make it out to JP? All

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right, thanks very much, brother? You got any questions for me?

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Yeah? Just one Hulk when you
went to Italy? Did you wrestle as

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Terry Balley? You want to get
security to tackle you in a fucking instant.

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Get them, it's creeps, get
them to get them. Ah.

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Yeah. The most Italian guy they
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was probably Ja Strongbow. Oh.
They probably thought Tatanka was going to speak

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Italian. I probably Isn't this how
it works in the wrestlings. Yeah,

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I gotta be careful. The French
Canadian's gonna slip in there. It's gonna

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sound like Pat Patterson by the time
we've gone. But we put a call

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out to the Solar system. You
know, I know we've had listeners over

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the years from Italy, not many, but nobody you know that was alive

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of the vintage to unfortunately have caught
this one. That that's you talk about

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a needle in a haystack. Oh
yeah, sure. From what I gathered,

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I don't know a lot about Italian
television. I don't think this was

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a particularly like big station. I
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seems almost like an ESPN two or
three, you know, as opposed to

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ESPN. Yeah. Sure, so, I'm not even sure if you were

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alive and a fan back then that
you would necessarily, you know, drop

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everything to see this ESPN and the
way, Yeah, exactly, glorified house

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show opened by uh By and the
Beverly Brothers and Bushwhackers have like the longest

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match on the show, and he
does not not tell you everything you need

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to know. Oh my god.
And there's I have a funny little secret

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about that match, but that's for
later. I'm looking forward to that.

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And you just have like this just
pure expression of like little kid wrestling fandom

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on this show, Like the front
rows are completely packed with kids, or

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at least that's all they show.
And they cut away. Apparently it was

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a huge hit with kids back then
in Italy and you know, the bushwhackers

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antics get some of the biggest reactions
on the show because it's just, you

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know, no matter what language,
it's a completely absurd yes, and they

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like the clown and they like you
know these and Brett gets it gets a

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good reaction. It's not like the
kind of reactions he got in Germany,

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where for some reason he was like
a heart throb in addition to being a

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great wrestler. Yeah. Yeah,
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know, it seems a little force
to prevent him to present him rather as

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like the top baby face that everybody
came to see. Undertaker felt the little

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bit more like that. Yeah,
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of the show, knowing probably that
Yoko would you know, blow up in

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four and a half minutes. But
o, if that we did our level

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best. Hugo Dominguez, a great
member of the Solar System who's out in

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Spain, does give us a little
bit of color of what it was like

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for WWF to come through in these
European tours and have these these random ass

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television shows happened that all these years
later come into our possession. They won't

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be able to hear this, but
I think you'll be able to hear this.

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Okay, So what does that mean? You know it's fake? Son?

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Play it again? They keep saying, what's the word for brother for

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Telly for Delly? Yeah, which
I thought was hilarious because I didn't know

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that until you know it kicked in
Because if you've, if you've, if

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you're familiar with goonies coming soon,
under the sentiment, right, you know

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that they're the for Telly family.
For tell, brother comes from the Telly

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brothers. So for Telly for Telly, it's like the fucking USO's right,

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look like Greg Valentine exactly. And
yeah, you hear you hear them call

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for Telly over and over again when
they're discussing how the Steiners are brothers.

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So you hear Doc Peterson Dan Peterson
rather say it over and over again.

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But here's a Hugo lending some color. Here's something here though, by the

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way, so listen to this one, future idiot, it means you know

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it's fake, you fucking idiot.
Future and fucking are the same? Does

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Hugo? In Spain, the w
BAN presented on a TV channel of Italian

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origin called Tel Sinco okay, where
we were lucky enough to watch all the

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pay per views as if they were
part of the normal program on free TV.

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I invite you to consider that in
the UK as well, for a

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while, every pay per view was
just like a television special, live and

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free. Yeah, yeah, that's
true, that's true. Getting color from

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folks remembering, like you know,
in the UK, you would become aware

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of what was happening on WWF Sunday
night pay per views on Monday morning when

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you woke up for school because there's
six hours ahead, and just the stress

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of like, oh my god,
is somebody gonna tape it for me back

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home so I can watch it when
I get home. One of the members

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of the Solar System you've been said
on X that they would try to get

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up at like five in the morning
so they could watch the whole pay per

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view before they had to jet off
to school. Now, yep, so

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we can never forget when we go
back and talk about when it used to

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be better, when we talk about
the golden age of media consumption, how

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different it was for our European brethren
and folks in different time zones, and

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how that colors their experience and memories. Like just for all of the main

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for every live wrestling you've ever seen, to happen in the middle of the

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night, it's just wild to me. I mean I'm talking like the wee

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hours of the morning. Almost very
bizarre. Yeah, you know, I

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used to fucking you know, back
when we did Milan. Oh god,

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he was proud to go there.
I'm shore fucking you know. We took

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we used to take the A seven
right, you know, into into Milan

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proper, you know, and we
go down via Spezia, you know,

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and kind of there was a roundabout
there, and then we hid down via

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Giovanni Segantini Premi Pasti. Yeah,
and we go to you know, there's

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there's a place you could get good
drinks at Merlino and Mago, you know,

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just outside of Piazza Koli. It's
good ship. I mean, look,

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you can say all you want about
Gelato Okay, Giuliti, Okay,

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Rome, Geolidic. We got the
guys behind the counter, wood panels everywhere.

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I'm telling you, you know,
it's fucking it's it's the way to

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fuck. This is where the fucking
real people go. You can't beat it.

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No, I go to fucking Asteria
del Naco fritough, you know it.

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Shit's fucking good, you know,
fucking just the fucking best. See

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right off of you know, right
on the corner of Via Pasquali, Paoli

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and uh Ripa deporta t sense they're
watching Sean like a hawk. Back then,

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okay, I mean we're talking.
The spotlet was on and he was

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standing in the pantheon. Okay,
you might have well fucking walked up the

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Spanish steps, you know, shit, I uh, I do have a

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vague memory from two thousand and one. I went to Italy on a trip

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with my class. Oh and it
was a wonderful whirlwind ten days. But

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one thing that really sticks with me, and I believe it was Rome.

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It could have been Florence. I'm
not remembering exactly where it was. We

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were walking to a pier and we
came back and there was a car that

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was parked there. Didn't look abandoned
or anything. It just happened to be

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parked alone. So I looked in
the in the driver's side window, or

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it was the back seat window,
whatever it was, and there on the

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seat was a dead body. Now, in two thousand and one two thousand

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and one. Yeah, where the
Rockers Hasbros In the package? Get the

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fuck out of here? Is that
is? That is unfair? It completely

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blew my mind. Ah, this
is like before you know, let's bring

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back all the action figures for the
Man Children era. You know, I

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hadn't seen a Hasbro in the package
since I was in grade school. Of

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course, no, why would you? And there it was all the way

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in Italy, which told me something
about WWF's penetration there and perhaps the the

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era where it sunk in the most
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we're talking about here. Jesus So
Hugo continues attele Sinco, where we were

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lucky enough to watch all the pay
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While in general he writes it was
more or less the same, there

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were some differences. For example,
the show was called prep, the show

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was called pressing catch, not just
catch pressing catch, that's right. I

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don't want to get the wrong idea. And certain names were not the same.

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We had our own casters in Spain. I suppose it means broadcasters who

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had absolutely no idea about wrestling,
and more or less improvised terms about what

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was happening on the screen. We
called Big boss Man crazy coply not wrong

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that one of the cops he used
in your fed No, I didn't have

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crazy cops. Tug Boat's name was
El Marineo Tarugo. I made that Italian

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when he's Spanish, but I'm sorry. I know it doesn't matter, which

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could be translated into English as the
dumbass sailor. It's about right. This

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is Fred Oupman Tugboat with a cameo
shout out to JP. He asks me

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how I feel about the fact that
in Spain I was referred to as the

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dumbass sailor. Well, I don't
know if that's a correct translation, but

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I will tell you. When the
Ultimate Warrior did his hulking up, it

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was called the Saint Vitus dance.
Of course, it was things of that

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nature. As for fandoms, it
was more or less the same as in

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the US. We all loved Hull
Cogan and the Ultimate Warrior. Everybody's third

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favorite hero used to be either Brett
Hart or Tito Santana, who opens this

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this show Boss. Yes, he
does as Elmatador against doing as that was

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the only anything that you could more
or less say had anything to do with

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Spain. But still we all saw
Tito as an absolute loser who did nothing

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but disappoint us all as that representative. Yeah he's a Spanish bull fighter.

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he is just a complete disgrace. Counts

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the lights. Yeah, that's when
we saw that he was Lewis the face

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Undertaker. When they visited our country, all we could think was that Tito

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was literally going to die in the
ring it sis or so we hoped in

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our heads people like Undertaker, Earthquake
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So you can imagine our absolute surprise
when Tito beat the Undertaker. I don't

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understand that whatsoever. I mean,
they must have just been thinking he's the

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hometown hero and no one in the
States is going to see it, so

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it can't hurt Undertaker. Let's give
the people finish they can get behind.

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But I mean that Undertaker some of
his first WWAF losses were to Tito Santana

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in Spain. It's just mind blowing
to me. I could not conceive of

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it where we placed Undertaker in our
minds at that time frame. I know,

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I know, more or less undefeated, you know, minus a few

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couple things here and then that just
is so bizarre. The next day in

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the schoolyard, we started thinking that
soon Tito would be the WWF champion.

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Of course you would think that.
Of course, Jack Tunney, he writes,

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Jack Tunny would have no choice but
to offer Tito a chance to win

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the championship belt. Tto, I
want to offer you the chance to wrestle

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for the WWWE. Thank you,
Hugo, Thank you, Hugo. The

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next match is for the WWWWE World
Heavyweight Championship belt. The next match is

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for the whole Enchilada, the World
Wrestling Enchilada Championship. Here we know that

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Spain, I don't. I don't
think. I think that's Mexican. Yeah,

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well it's certainly Mexican, but I
don't know if it has its its

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origin. I don't. I don't
know. I'm not sure. I know.

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I know on in those shows they
would go to the tapas rope though,

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that's right, you know, sometimes
they do the elbow off the tapas

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rope. We're in Spain. The
Wild Bull of THEA like it. I

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like it. I like it.
I love going to Spain from the Macho

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Bull in Spain digging in one,
two three, they called them I don't

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have that in the notes. They
called talk about the idiot sailor. They

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called Macho Man the macho bull.
This is really funny, like mistranslated w

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w F characters in these other countries. I mean, that's the greatest thing

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like that, when they figure out
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you know something, you know,
I haven't done it in a while,

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but when we do, uh,
when we when we have it under

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the cinemat, you know, sometimes
I'll do the uh, the international titles,

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and how just bizarre they are.
Oh my god, they were compared

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to them, they're yeah, you
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When you get to like the literal
or whatever the translation is that that

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means, for some reason, the
closest to whatever the fuck this character is,

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and the translation is the other language. And Russia, like the Undertaker

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would be like the Funeral Assistant or
something. What, yeah, like the

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deaf Caretaker or something. Everybody saw
it on TV. Jack Cane would have

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to offer him the title shot Tito
one. We never imagined that we were

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literally the only ones who saw it
on TV, and that Tito would remain

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a loser for life. Unfortunately for
us. Also, we stopped getting wrestling

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on TV in nineteen ninety four due
to the constant complaints of concerned parents to

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the TV station about their kids performing
wrestling moves on their younger siblings. Your

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secare falso for to Anthony Anthemy,
and he would go provide some great links

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to some stuff like Rumble ninety one
is presented in the country of Spain.

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Thank you, Hugo. That's about
as close as we could get to sort

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of like, you know, a
contemporaneous account of a lapsed fan perspective on

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what it was like to be a
wwafair back then in Europe. Sure,

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and for Brett Hart, it's a
fascinating little period of time. After WrestleMania

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nine, of course, losing to
Yo Kuzun for the championship, he turns

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around that show April fourth. The
next night he was in Phoenix head of

403
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.880
taping beating Lex Luger, that being
for Raw and then he goes to Tucson

404
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:38.359
and beats Luger again, and then
they go to Poughkeepsie on April twelfth of

405
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.119
nineteen ninety three at the Midnuts and
Civic Center where he beats Razor ramone and

406
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.680
then he wrestles Bam Bam Bigelow on
the first match of the tour. The

407
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.839
European Tour for nineteen eighty three started
on April fourteenth, nineteen ninety three,

408
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.119
and Brussels, Belgium, boss a
country. Wow, close to your heart.

409
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.400
As we've talked, I love I
love the Belgium. So they came

410
00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.079
through Belgium and Breteart beat Bam Bam
Bigelow right there. That'd have been the

411
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:02.599
first time the two met. Wow. I'm not sure about that because he

412
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:04.920
you know, Brett was in the
WWF and Bigelow did his first Babyface visit

413
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:11.279
in eighty seven eighty eight WWF in
London on April sixteenth, Brett beats Bigelow

414
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.079
again, so he's wrestling him around
the horn on this European tour. WWF

415
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:19.599
Glasgow, Scotland April eighteenth, nineteen
ninty three, defeats Bam Bam Bigelow Whitley

416
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:25.240
Bay, England. He defeats Bam
Bam Bigelow again on April nineteenth and April

417
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:27.440
twentieth, they go to Belfast,
Northern Ireland, where Brett heart defeats Bam

418
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:33.119
Bam Bigelow, then to Essen in
Germany where he defeats Bigelow again, and

419
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:37.200
then to Frankfort where Brett defeats Bam
Bam and Frongfort. I think that was

420
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:42.240
Bam BAM's favorite stop of the tour. And then we have a I believe

421
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:48.119
it's Barcelona, yes, in Catolina, not Spain, but Catalina. Don't

422
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.599
get it wrong. I understand the
shoot your face off if you don't acknowledge

423
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.720
the Catalina part of it. Brett
Heart defeats Bam Bam Bigelow. And then

424
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.519
finally, what appears to be the
final top of the tour was this WWF

425
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.839
European Rampage April twenty fifth, nineteen
ninety three at the Fort of Massaggo in

426
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:12.359
Milan. Lombardi Lombardi aspartart defeats Bambam
Bigelow. Yes, here on the show,

427
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:16.119
but to the point about you know
what else is happening at WWF and

428
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:21.680
the other logistics that they have to
mind. Let's take a look here at

429
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:25.000
WrestleMania, and you know the kind
of crew that was, I don't know.

430
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.279
I guess you could say left behind
or holding down the fort is probably

431
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.720
that's probably a better way to right. So let's look for me because this

432
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:36.839
is over at a history of thehistory
of w W dot com. Richard land

433
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:42.400
site just an indispensable resource. Long
may continue. So Wressellman, it was

434
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:47.319
April fourth as mentioned, we mentioned
Phoenix on April fifth, So when did

435
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:52.279
I say they went to Brussels.
That would have been April fourteenth. So

436
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.839
starting April fourteenth is when they split
the crew up. Let's toggle ourselves ahead

437
00:32:55.839 --> 00:33:04.200
to that date April twelve, April
fourteen, Yes, so they were a

438
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.799
Newcastle as well, so they have
split crewis out there? Wow geez,

439
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.839
yeah, wild I didn't realize this
because I was just looking at Brett's matches.

440
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:14.799
But they're in Aberdeen, Scotland.
Sean Michaels does go and faces Bob

441
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:19.960
Backland for the IC strap. There's
a match, and then Newcastle on the

442
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:23.039
fourteenth is perfect against Luger in the
main event, with Michael's and Backland on

443
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:28.000
the undercard Nasty Boys against Headshrinkers,
and then the Brussels match with Brett Bigelow

444
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.519
Otter take a Dryan Gonzalez. They
did send Gonzales out there, just not

445
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:36.799
to me Lan. He didn't make
it to Milan somehow, which also reminds

446
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:39.519
me on that same trip that I
mentioned before, my high school trip.

447
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:44.960
They we were flying in and acting
acting up, being stupid high school kids

448
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:50.119
on the plane and the stewardess.
Steward was a man who you know,

449
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:54.559
had a thick Italian accent, yes, but was very he's very much a

450
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:59.119
princess about it, and came up
to us and said, would you like

451
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.559
to arrive in middle In other words, like you will not arrive in Milan

452
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:05.720
if you continue acting this way?
Yes, I would. Would you like

453
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.320
to arrive in Milan just the way
he said it? Would you? Would

454
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:14.679
you like to arrive in Milan alive? Yeah? Did you say arrive or

455
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:28.159
alive? But cho Bella Ni Terry
Taylor was on the tour. Doink?

456
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:30.800
Of course? Is there to Tonka
and Shango. They go to Brighton,

457
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:35.400
England on the April fifteenth Bretton.
Now did they Now Here's the thing did

458
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:40.679
they was? Was the what?
Which which doing did they have? Do

459
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:44.559
they have both doings on a different
tours? I think they had different doinks.

460
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:46.400
I don't say they must have had
different doing because this is not this

461
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:53.239
is not. This is not a
big Josh Doink. Yeah it is.

462
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.400
This is Matt Born. I think
it is. No, I'm pretty sure

463
00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:00.280
it's not. I'm pretty sure it
was the Skinner. You think it's again.

464
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:01.760
I really sad that was Matt Born. I heard his voice at one

465
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:05.719
point. I said, that's absolutely
map Borne. And this is still evil

466
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:12.159
going time. By the way,
Yeah, and and and duo Doink too,

467
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.599
Because this show is April twenty fifth. The next night, April twenty

468
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:22.800
six, at Manhattan Center to tape
Raw and Doink Russell's there's no way this

469
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:27.480
guy makes it from Milan to Manhattan
Center. Whoever played this doink in that

470
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:30.840
amount of time? Right, So
Matt Bourne probably in Manhattan Center. Fascinating.

471
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:37.719
Also in that raw was mister perfect
Lex Luger Crush, mister Hughes Typhoon.

472
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:42.440
So all these are guys dug in
Michael's. They all come back by

473
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:46.840
the time the show we're talking about
this week took place Backland Headshrinkers. Yeah,

474
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:51.159
Dougan would come back with his fucking
onesie outfit. Oh this is when

475
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:52.800
he did the feud with Yoko.
Yeah, this is after Yeah, because

476
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:59.840
he got injured by Yoko before WrestleMania, and then when he had fucking when

477
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.239
he coughed up blood, remember that, yeah, of course, and then

478
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:06.440
fucking blood coming out with sacrificial land. I get Yoko over as a big

479
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:09.239
baby fa a big heel, yeah, top heel. And then and then

480
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:15.599
he comes back, uh yeah,
wearing the fucking singlet. A pleasant sight

481
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.119
for all. It's such a fucking
weird outfit. Like, all right,

482
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:21.239
I think you should what you do
is you should look like a real wrestler.

483
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:27.840
Now you don't have red, white
and blue singlet, thoughts doesn't matter.

484
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:30.559
Well, we're all still looking for
it. So yeah, we're all

485
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:32.920
still looking for your charisma, you
fucking fat ass. It's definitely yeah,

486
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.000
it's definitely the arrow where Vince is
like, you know, that's the kind

487
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.599
of cycling out that caused Hogan and
Savage to go to WCW. Basically,

488
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:44.400
it's just declaring people of Jim Duggan
and their vintage, like you know,

489
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:50.719
shopborn. Vince had the hubris to
think could determine when these guys were too

490
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.440
old to work anymore. You're the
old generation. I need the new generation.

491
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:57.559
Oh yeahn it sounds great, Sign
me up to be with your company

492
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.199
and be called old the whole time. I'm definitely down with that. Here's

493
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.960
WTW Danglan guaranteed checks to yeah,
reinvigorate the position I had just four years

494
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.159
ago. And do you think about
the business today? Four years ago is

495
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.239
nothing? You know what I mean? Oh? I know, I know,

496
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:13.679
I look like you got old.
Between nineteen ninety one and nineteen ninety

497
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:21.559
three is so laughab And yet you
know what, as as as kids,

498
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:28.159
God didn't feel that long. It
definitely didn't feel premature what he would frame

499
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.679
these guys as fading legends. It
felt right, No, it felt yep,

500
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.440
this is about right, Yep,
I can see that. And that

501
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.480
just does not happen anymore. I
mean, I would be surprised if we

502
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.639
went back and watched the tape if
they didn't refer to aj Styles as a

503
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:44.559
kid against Cody Rhones on that backlash
show. Oh, I probably did.

504
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:46.880
Cody's like this young upstart and he's
like almost forty, you know, right

505
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:52.639
right according to our pal. Yeah, you know that's funny because remember remember

506
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:57.480
they're done about Yeah, he's like
this fucking young offstart at forty. Yet

507
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:02.280
remember when when when when Jake Roberts
came back in ninety six. He was,

508
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:05.880
oh my god, he's so old. He's forty one. I know.

509
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:07.599
Well, in fairness, Jake put
a lot of miles on his body

510
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:09.639
in the intro. That's a good, that's a Good's that is true.

511
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:15.039
He did. He did look fifty
eight. But if if David von Eric

512
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:19.920
lived seventy five years and twenty five, god knows how many Jake Roberts live.

513
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.360
Jake's about three hundred at this point. Yeah, I'll say, and

514
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.239
that sounds like it too, and
that's on his third life. Yes,

515
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.519
But our pal Matt dug up some
stuff about this this time period in the

516
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:32.880
television clearances. He points out that
the April eighth, nineteen ninety three show

517
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:37.679
in Paris was broadcast on a television
station called Canal Plus as an episode in

518
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:43.960
fact of WWF Superstars. Interestingly enough, okay, the April eleventh, nineteenety

519
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.719
three event in Sheffield, England was
broadcast in fact on Sky Sports and released

520
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:52.119
as the UK Rampage Colisseum home Video. So this is when they take the

521
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.440
UK Rampage tape as yeah, well
sure, yeah, I'd imagine that that

522
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:59.760
that you know, that one's more
a little more well known. That's a

523
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:02.519
call assume videotape. It's different,
and in terms of public service announcements,

524
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:06.400
let us make it abundantly clear because
it is a bit confusing. There is

525
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.360
a UK Rampage ninety three show on
Peacock. Yes, as it's a coliseum

526
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.840
home video. That is not what
we're talking about here. No, this

527
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.920
show you can find it on daily
Motion if you type I think it's WWF

528
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.440
Milan nineteen ninety three, should get
it for you. Okay, okay,

529
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.880
but it's not very easy to find
if you just search for WWF European Rampage.

530
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.920
Yeah, I imagine not got a
search for a Milan, Italy.

531
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:28.480
Because while that's what this show was
called, to the point, it was

532
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:32.239
never really released to an American order
in English speaking audience as European Rampage.

533
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:36.960
So it's really strange how this show
came to be called that when, first

534
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.800
of all, it's not in the
native tongue of the country that it emanated

535
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:43.360
from and was broadcast exclusively to.
As far as I can tell, I

536
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:45.360
just don't even know why this event
has a name, you know, It's

537
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:47.280
like the other I don't know the
other the other shots on the tour didn't

538
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:50.199
have names. I guess if it's
on television, they come up with a

539
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:51.920
name for it. Oh, you
gotta have a name for you. What

540
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:53.519
are you gonna just have it called
wrestling? They could call it Milan something.

541
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:58.760
Why is it called European Milan mayhem? Yeah, the act like it's

542
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:00.159
the only show they did in Europe, you know, so we'll call it

543
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:06.480
European. It's like, noh,
was isn't the European Rampage Tour. Probably

544
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.920
was, Yes, that's probably why
it is. The April twenty fourth,

545
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:15.119
ninety three show on Bartilona was on
tell A five the television station Tella to

546
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.239
El E five, and again this
April fifth, twenty fifth, nine twenty

547
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:21.760
three show Tella plus two. I
think is what the station went on to

548
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:23.360
be called. The watermark in the
top right of the screen when you watch

549
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.800
this event is not tell A plus
two. It's something else. We'll get

550
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:30.920
to what it is, but it's
a Google search tells me that that name

551
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:37.400
is interchangeable with tell A plus two
as well, and and so yeah,

552
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:43.679
we have a handful of matches from
the tour Matt Advisers, including two from

553
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.400
the Milan Show. We're thrown together
for Coliseum videos Global Warfare. Did you

554
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.400
know that? Boss? Oh wow, No, I do not know that.

555
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.760
I think I don't take it.
Versus Yokazuna from the show and Milana

556
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.400
is on that tape and Columbia House's
Best of European Rampage tour. There you

557
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.800
go. Wow. Okay, indeed
that's the name of the tour as of

558
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:02.280
the Everly Brothers versus the Bushwhackers that
barn Burner made it to home video in

559
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:07.760
the UK. Of course, Columbia
House was Oh my god, we've talked

560
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:12.440
about that in the Coliseum collection.
Columbia House was kind of like like almost

561
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.559
like a second company, right distributing
wh videos. Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

562
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:22.119
They had their own weird selection of
best of videos and I think totally

563
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.440
unrelated to Coliseum really. Oh yeah, absolutely, they were there. Its

564
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:30.920
online, its own line of of
of of videos. We got them.

565
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.199
Oh yeah, we got them.
We're ready, We're ready whenever the time

566
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:38.320
is running for the Colosseum collection to
resume. Yeah, we stand round years

567
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:45.639
years down the line for these uh, for these these Columbia House. It's

568
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:50.320
like a tlf x X initiative oh, without a doubt, Without a doubt,

569
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.159
the rest of the dates were untelevised, so ho. Matt writes,

570
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:58.440
Unfortunately we'll never get to see Typhoon
versus Damian Demento in Nuremberg, for instance.

571
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:02.000
One that about that we can always
hope. Yeah, I suppose that's

572
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:07.360
true actually, And also Scott Center
versus micro tunder from Milan, he writes

573
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.679
his own global warfare. I think
he means I think he means money in

574
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:15.199
versus the Steiners. This is Scott
doesn't wrestle I r S one on one

575
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:19.760
here. It is pretty funny when
I r S takes the microphone and he's

576
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:23.239
like, it's it's it's it's about
the US tax code. His whole gimmick.

577
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:28.880
Right, I don't know what a
you know what a tax auditor dress

578
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.559
is? Like, I'm sure in
Italy a tax auditor wears Gucci. You

579
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:36.360
know, here's this fucking schmuck.
I bet, I bet in I bet

580
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:39.519
in Italy, like the tax collectors
are like beloved people, especially Milan.

581
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:46.000
Right, You're all like, please
take my money. But he stands there

582
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.800
and goes. Everyone knows Milan has
the most tax cheets, and everyone's like

583
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:59.639
close to the tax phone, our
phone right here in Milan. No great,

584
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:05.800
okay, on my Jork part Scarpaccio
is he like everything? Peterson says,

585
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:13.840
it's Carpaccio. I know it is. Please ye give me a second.

586
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:19.280
Here we go, Oh my god, fucking paper. We're close to

587
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:24.039
the tax cheek phone and our phone
right here. Nos a great okay,

588
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:32.480
major party is already retire from a
Milano e. It translates, I'm talking

589
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:38.639
about taxis. It's like also that
he says Italia to what a fucking idiot,

590
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:50.960
right, I'm gonna say everything else
in English, also known Oh god,

591
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.000
I want to see here if I
can, if I a fucking joke,

592
00:43:54.199 --> 00:44:00.360
if I can pull up the translations. Is I tried to get some

593
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:06.119
of the choice lines on the show
translated. I want to see what they

594
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:15.039
might say here, Okay, ruin
er Sister A message here, maybe I

595
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.199
This is a rough translation of what
Dan Peterson says, A message here.

596
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:22.000
Maybe Erwin R. Scheister was speaking. We feel, we feel it's no

597
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:23.760
secret that most of the tax cheess
found Itali're found right here in Milan.

598
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:30.159
It's no secret, okay. And
then they have in fact, Dan Peterson

599
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:32.360
translated as saying, it's no secret
that most of the taxes in Italy are

600
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:37.199
here in Milan. Taxes, not
tax cheats. Most of the taxes are

601
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.719
here in Milan, he saw.
And then apparently Dan Peterson says, I

602
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:45.760
don't like this even in English because
he imagines it like he's making it up.

603
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.760
Oh my god, what a fucking
goof flick at what he says.

604
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:54.119
Here, here you are, Dan
Peterson says. And it gets really the

605
00:44:54.199 --> 00:45:00.000
translation gets really confused because they certainly
start speaking English in the middle of what'sposed

606
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:06.280
to be an all Italian broadcast.
But more choice nuggets like that as we

607
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:12.719
go through this unique experience that is
WWA European Rampage ninety three. Limited coverage

608
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.519
in the Observer. Of course,
there wasn't a great correspondent network at the

609
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:21.800
time to report on every punch and
suplex throat and landed back then, Meltzer

610
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:24.159
writes. European tour finished April twenty
fifth. The shows in the United Kingdom

611
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:28.639
largely didn't sell out, although most
were about seventy five percent full, and

612
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:31.960
the building's WCW played in March.
Let's not forget that WW was coming on

613
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:37.039
the regular to the UK to Ireland
back then. That's crazy, yep,

614
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.440
sting Vader Bulldog era. That was
a big part of getting Bulldog was going

615
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:45.239
over there and you know, coming
off SummerSlam, trying to draw some houses

616
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:49.320
and they didn't do badly at all
in the UK. Actually, on Parers

617
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.360
Meltzer says here in the buildings WW
played in March, the crowds were roughly

618
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:57.440
the same size for both groups.
That's why all that, that's why all

619
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:02.280
these these Brits that listen to the
show know about Galooube and stuff right w

620
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.280
probably where they had exclusive Glube figures
over there, something Dixie Carter fell for.

621
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:15.159
Remember how like how like tickled pink
she was that you do not have

622
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:20.199
that thing on fucking trigger. Still, all these years later, all these

623
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.239
months later, I should say,
God, that was quick. That was

624
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:31.039
freaking okay. Now okay, then
I should say the Barcelona and Paris shows

625
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:35.519
were about half houses, melts of
reports. The Germany shows were largely full,

626
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:37.719
and the Italy that is that similar? Is that similar to a half

627
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:45.480
way house? Uh? But it
was Jake gone already, yes, from

628
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:50.320
both companies half houses? Uh?
The Germany shows were largely would that be

629
00:46:50.360 --> 00:47:02.400
a condole sposed away supplex. Did
you maybe they call a double SUPLEXI duplex

630
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:08.079
that called for the Germany shows were
largely full and the Italy date wasn't full.

631
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:12.880
Still, Meltzer writes, with the
thirty dollars average ticket price and tons

632
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:16.199
of merchandise, these tours grows huge
amounts of money, and this was a

633
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:20.960
downtime for WWF. You know,
they brought back Hogan for a reason.

634
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:25.159
Things took a decided nose dive when
he exited the picture around Wrestlemaniaate and early

635
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:30.159
ninety two, and the transition to
Brett was kind of a late adjustment.

636
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.320
You know, they didn't go right
to Brett as we know, that didn't

637
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.719
happen till October, and that happened
kind of like a shotgun fashion, like

638
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:38.320
all of a sudden, they hey, we're in Saskatoon. We got to

639
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:42.760
do something. Flair's hurt. They
thought Warrior was going to carry them through

640
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.679
nineteen ninety two, and he hardly
was up to the task. Sid was

641
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:50.199
gone within a month after WrestleMania Ate, their top heel, so it was

642
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.760
a really tough ninety three luger.
They shoved him into the forefront and these

643
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:59.920
body sliding ro goo just months after
being unveiled as Narcissus to the right,

644
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:02.639
right, what a strange year nineteen
ninety three was. I feel like nineteen

645
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:07.199
ninety three deserves a lot more examination
than it gets. Oh. Absolutely,

646
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:13.639
it's such a it's such a weird
I mean think and when you consider too

647
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:19.639
that that that Vince gets indicted in
November as well, absolutely, and all

648
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:22.119
that speculation before he does that it's
coming any day. Yep, yep,

649
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:29.400
all the paranoida titan towers, the
contingency planning around Jerry Jarrett and such it's

650
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.480
it's such a it's a it's a
fascinating time period. And they're not literally

651
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:36.639
of the past, yet they're being
forced to part with the past. The

652
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.800
steroid scandal forced them to push guys
like Sean and Brett, you know,

653
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:45.360
those bodies right, not choose to
It was not a new generation initiative,

654
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:47.840
Nope, Nope, they were.
They wanted they they were. They brought

655
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:52.800
back Hogan for God's sake, right, beating the big monster. They put

656
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:58.920
a happy face on it, but
they couldn't hide their true you know needs,

657
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.760
basically their true biases. And so
it's a fascinating time period. And

658
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:07.400
here you know who knew right when
we were watching as kids and on the

659
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.360
other side of the world, across
the pond, as they say, Brett

660
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:14.119
and Bigelow were mixing it up in
Milan. No clue, Yeah, no,

661
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:16.559
no clue. I mean there was
scant mentions of European tours and the

662
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:21.719
Wait magazine, like the Private Eye
section, which is mostly photographs. We'd

663
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.960
usually mention, right, they'd have
some kind of some kind of very very

664
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:30.559
brief coverage of the European or international
tours wherever they went. Yeah, there's

665
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.159
some pictures from this tour and one
of the magazines of like Tito looking at

666
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:39.719
like some sort of a historic wall
etching I believe in Spain. But there's

667
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:45.000
hardly anything really and there's almost certainly
unless I miss something. There is a

668
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:46.920
magazine from nineteen eighty three. We
don't have it our fingertips, so maybe

669
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:51.320
it was in there. Nothing I
did. I looked it up there,

670
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:53.079
so I was able to find kind
of a recap of it. There really

671
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:57.599
wasn't much about it. Is that
a recap of the whole tour, just

672
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:04.320
a Milan show, just a recap
of of like just the time period,

673
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:09.280
like, so it just says that
they like they just talked like one of

674
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:13.559
the one of the things around the
the what do you call it? Not

675
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.079
an article, but the other thing, the thing that's continuous every time.

676
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:22.159
What do you call it in a
magazine when you have a section. I

677
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:23.320
can't remember what it's called. But
I don't know what you're talking about.

678
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:27.119
Feature. I don't know, not
a feature. The features are the are

679
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:29.960
the special ones, and then you
get the regular ones that are recurring.

680
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:34.199
I can't think of it anyway.
So around the Ring was one of the

681
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.679
one that they did, and and
and and ed Ricky Udi he mentions that

682
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:39.679
he says, like in a thing
again, this is a this is a

683
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:44.159
and a you know, like a
breakdown of it. It's not the full

684
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.000
thing. But he basically talks about
that the life of a w D superstar

685
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:52.639
is is not easy, and describes
how they went from Wrestler Winking ten and

686
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:57.320
then off to Tucson and then traveled
to Europe. But besides that, there's

687
00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:02.280
really not much, right, no
no actual like coverage of matches and stuff

688
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:07.639
and whatnot. It's pretty crazy that
that was an extent. I thought maybe

689
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:13.880
there would be. I mean,
there certainly is talk about traveling internationally in

690
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:16.679
ww Wrestling the Official Book, but
there but this book I think came out

691
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:24.639
in ninety three, so it wouldn't
have right that it's either late ninety two

692
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.639
or early ninety three. And this
is what for people that don't remember or

693
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:30.280
no, this is the most incredible
book of all time. Yeah, ninety

694
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:37.639
two is the copyright. It's WWE
Wrestling the official book that came out in

695
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:44.760
ninety two, and it has all
this this incredible like it gives a whole

696
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:49.400
rundown of the roster, each one
with her own at least one page bio,

697
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:53.679
and then all the matches and all
sorts of stuff, and then you

698
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:59.079
know all the different places where wrestling, you know, the w go's global

699
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:01.559
is what it says. That's what
it says. That's Yeah, there's a

700
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:07.800
whole section on traveling. I could
read it if you want, but it

701
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:13.880
doesn't really include this tour because the
year early. That's good to be good.

702
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:15.760
Let's go to Tito's book quickly.
He's got a little bit of reflection

703
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:20.480
because for him, this is it, like this is the final Tito patches

704
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:25.360
inf He writes by April four This
is in his book, By the way,

705
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:30.679
Don't Call Me Chico with Kenny Casanova. By April fourteenth, nineteenety three,

706
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:32.679
I finally decided it was time to
tap out and give Vince my notice

707
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.760
of my resignation. At the time, however, I was very sad.

708
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:38.440
I had just given myself to the
WWF for more than a decade and wasn't

709
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:42.599
sure where I was going to go
from there. The al Mattador character teased

710
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.119
me for so long that it was
too bad that it didn't turn into any

711
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:46.599
real, good, long term plans. Vince, I said, meaning up

712
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:49.519
on them at a show. I
think it is time for me to go,

713
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:55.280
and supplied bluntly Tito, I think
you were right. Yep, you

714
00:52:55.360 --> 00:53:01.559
know it's been good knowing you don't
ever come back exactly. Don't let the

715
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:04.159
door hit you in the ass on
the way out. Hey, Pal,

716
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:09.480
what happens when you put sugar in
a gas tank? Anyway? What happens

717
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:15.159
when you put salsa in a gas
tank? Nothing? I think, Pal,

718
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:20.280
nothing at all, Just like you, You're nothing at all. Know

719
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:22.519
this When you watch Tito wrestle on
this show my last days in the w

720
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:31.880
w F, He rights were miserable. I hate it. Oh my god,

721
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:39.599
this is w w F Hall of
Famer. I've got one of those.

722
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:44.159
Oh. I don't have it on
on on my loaded up, but

723
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:45.320
I can at least play it for
this, for the two of us.

724
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:52.559
This probably, I imagine it's going
to start out to hey, JP,

725
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:57.280
send send send it to me.
I'll play it for everybody they deserve.

726
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.599
All right, I'm gonna send it
to you. I'll leave out before leaving,

727
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:02.719
he writes, I had worked about
forty matches with the WF between January

728
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:07.679
and August of nineteen ninety three,
with a European tour being my final matches

729
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:12.000
with the company. In my final
days with WWF, I was working with

730
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.119
and mostly losing to guys like Adam
Baum Joined the Clown Bastion Booger, and

731
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:21.239
Damien Demento. After putting in my
notice, I realized that Vince was keeping

732
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:22.880
me those last years to give me
a payday, because he was very appreciative

733
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:27.000
of what I did for his company. He probably would have kept me around

734
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:29.920
even longer if I had wanted it. But I really wasn't being used much

735
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.000
as an attraction, nor was I
really wanting to do so. So when

736
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:35.760
I said it is time and Vince
agreed, he just didn't want to be

737
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:37.760
the one to tell me so he
wanted to make that decision. He wanted

738
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:44.519
me rather to make that decision on
my own. I wanted you to die,

739
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:49.519
but that's the way it goes.
I wanted you to be dead.

740
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.480
I wanted you to die in the
ring. I wanted to work you till

741
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.519
you died. Can we talk about
that, pale or now? What would

742
00:54:55.519 --> 00:55:02.280
that look like? Conceptually? You
know my dream, Tito. You know,

743
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:06.039
I appreciate you saying that you want
out, and I'm willing to grant

744
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:07.840
you the release because I'm sick and
tired of looking at your ugly face.

745
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:15.079
But my dream, my dream was
to actually have you lying in the middle

746
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:22.519
of the ring on your own accord
and I don't know, dropping maybe yokozuna

747
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:30.840
from the top of the rafters onto
your body and watching you explode, and

748
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:36.039
then taking a tortilla chip, dipping
it in your blood and chomping away.

749
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:39.159
What do you think, pal,
you like that or do you want to

750
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:44.280
quit? One of these two things
is going to happen. I don't care

751
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:47.760
which, but make the choice,
Wow, make the choice, he says,

752
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:55.639
God damn. So yeah, it
ended for Tito. In the summer

753
00:55:55.800 --> 00:56:00.039
of ninety three, that European tour, he wrestled up the predator a bunch

754
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:07.679
of times, and talking about Terry
Garvin, the predator was Boris Hogan.

755
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:13.320
Did you know that Horace Hogan did
not at all what the fuck TV wants.

756
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:15.960
Maybe has Superstars taping or something as
a j brown, But he was

757
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:20.760
beating the predator. He wasn't losing. He was beating the predator in Berlin

758
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:24.639
and Edinburgh and Sheffield. And you
might recall from the Terry Funk Journey this

759
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:30.239
is when he started popping his head
up in the freshly minted ECW Eastern championshipreso

760
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:36.800
where Tito had a bit of a
run in the very earliest days. Again

761
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:40.639
fascinating time guys like Tito finally cycling
out in ninety three. Ninety three is

762
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:46.800
that year where it's like every you
know things they they shed a lot of

763
00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:50.960
skin in nineteen ninety three, most
of it, Uh, yep, yep,

764
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:53.960
not by not by choice. But
did you pass that along? Can

765
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:58.079
we hear from t as we can? Folks can bear with me here for

766
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:00.559
a second. What was. What
do you remembers the content on this one?

767
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:04.199
I remember, I have no idea. I don't know when I know.

768
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:07.760
Well, let's see, this was
from February whatever. This must have

769
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:15.000
been him wrestling Don Morocco on the
Hogan Show. Oh, yep, yep,

770
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:20.079
you're probably right. Or Hogan wins
the championship in nineteen and eighty four

771
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:22.360
and he was second from the top
with the ice he strapped on the line.

772
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:28.239
This is before Morocco. He took
about from Morocco and the remat right

773
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:34.199
right Baltimore or Boston, I remember, or maybe Philly I lost? He

774
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:39.960
lost? How did you like?
That's not him? Oh oh, oh

775
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:43.800
oh, I know what I did
wrong. Apologics, stand by everybody,

776
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:50.679
and we'll be with Tito in just
a second. Brother, This is w

777
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:57.360
w E. Hall of Famer Tito. Give him a shout out to Jack

778
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:05.559
that vogue. This is the one
if I have any recollection of when I

779
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:13.519
wrestled down Morocco and HAULK Cogan in
nineteen eighty four in Medicine Square Garden.

780
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:20.400
And I don't remember much of that
night. I do remember that everybody knew

781
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.719
that we were going to start something
special. There was a lot of changes

782
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:28.719
going to be taking place in the
WWF. Tito Sento is going to be

783
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:32.920
the new IC title champion, and
on and on and on. It was

784
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:38.079
a great night in Medicine Square Garden. I had a great match. I

785
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:45.199
believe if I either beat Don Morocco
or he he still had the title.

786
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:51.519
Because I did. I did beat
him. You know that doesn't narrow down.

787
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:54.559
Remember, but Jack, I want
to thank you for being a Tito

788
00:58:54.679 --> 00:59:00.119
Santana fan, and without you,
none of a would be who we are.

789
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:08.480
Thank you again. Without you,
none of us would be who we

790
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:15.000
are. Kind of like TLFX now, oh yes, I think so,

791
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:27.280
kind of like this is wn W
Hall of Famer Tino Santana. God,

792
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:31.440
it's amazing. Can't stop yelling while
someone in the background is like, you

793
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:34.880
want me to get you a drink
and he's like waving her off. Tito,

794
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:40.880
shut up, Tito, stop it
talk normal. As we look out

795
00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:45.679
on TLFX, we wouldn't be here
without fans like Michael Damn right. Michael

796
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:50.440
sent us a message here in the
last week that we felt compelled to rush

797
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:55.000
to the front of the queue as
it regards the the feedback mailbag because he

798
00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:59.679
did what has meant the most to
us, I think throughout the ten years

799
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.880
he it art inspired by the show. Yes, whether it be the the

800
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:08.760
amazing drawings of our friend Chroma Slam, Yes. Whether it be the lamentable

801
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:14.320
tragedy music put together by Andrew,
whether it be the great drawings that we've

802
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:17.280
had from a host of other members
of the Solar System. Mike Rogers comes

803
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:22.280
to mind, and so many others. Yes, we've even gotten organists sending

804
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:25.639
us things. I remember the Braves
organists from Major League Baseballs and and something

805
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:30.639
once. It's just amazing. And
this is the latest installment here. It

806
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:31.960
was a real treat to drop out
of the sky. You know. We

807
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:37.800
had, as mentioned, the song
influenced by the World Class Journey, which

808
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:40.159
of course is very much back on
people's minds as Iron Claw hits the streaming

809
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:45.039
services. Now it's gotten sort of
like a new rout of people subtenly talking

810
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:47.880
about the movie now that it's available. There shadow how awful it is.

811
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:55.320
Shout out to Houl mccolleny on that
particular palm curve. There's a particular podcast

812
01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:01.920
called Time Lapsed Fan, and so
now your Time Lapse Fan shirt at Progressing

813
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:06.159
teas dot Com Slash the Lapse fan
Michael. I don't know why. Maybe

814
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:08.760
he's from Miny or something reached for
a different journey, and man, this

815
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:13.599
had been delicious if WrestleMania indeed was
going to Minneapolis. But that is not

816
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:15.679
going to happen. It's going to
be Las Vegas. Can't wait? Ever

817
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:21.960
will happen? Never will happen.
He was inspired to put a song together

818
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:27.039
based on the life and death of
the AWA Wow. And isn't that something

819
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:30.559
as we talk about and mooring of
the WWF in nineteen ninety three and where

820
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:35.599
the AWA sat and setting up that
boom period that begins to wrap up just

821
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:38.239
about it this point in time.
But Michael writes, morning co chairs ive

822
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:42.159
thought about emailing you. It must
be a thousand times since embarking on my

823
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:44.840
own t left journey in early twenty
twenty, A song I wrote in the

824
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:47.800
occasion of your ten year celebrations finally
brings me to the do the deed I

825
01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:52.039
began with your WrestleMania six episode,
the first pay per view I ever watched

826
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:57.239
live on Sky TV here in the
UK, So there's crossover here with our

827
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:00.760
European events. This week of course, as I heard your gasps of joy

828
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:05.320
as the old Mania theme song played, I knew this was the podcast for

829
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.119
me. It's been an obsession,
a lifeline, a full time listening job

830
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:12.920
ever since. It's not an exaggeration
to say that the endless hours of TLF

831
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.880
kept me barely sane during the darkest
days of the pandemic. I can't thank

832
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:21.159
you enough for that. Phrases like
it used to be better because it was

833
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.320
real. From SummerSlam ninety two,
when Sleeves rolled up ready to book the

834
01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:29.119
towns from r Awa journey more in, which soon have become common parlance in

835
01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:31.920
our household, and by force of
will, have become applicable to almost any

836
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:37.440
situation. So Mania six I went
to my friend's house to watch. His

837
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:39.639
father was a football referee who apparently
was caught on the take and fired from

838
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:43.719
his job. Let's fucking go,
boy, don't work. Yes, there's

839
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:45.960
carnies everywhere, brother, he writes. Somehow we were allowed to stay up

840
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:47.760
for a show that begin at one
am on a Sunday night. Yeah,

841
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:52.280
probably had something to do with the
you the aforementioned indiscretions. Yes, indeed,

842
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.719
I was a warrior guy eleven years
old, face painted hating on Hogan,

843
01:02:55.840 --> 01:03:00.920
worshiping future homophobe and all around scumbag
Hellwig. My friend wore a handmade

844
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:02.559
Ogan shirt and tore it and time
with Hogan's entrance, I still don't know

845
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:07.320
how to feel about that Warrior one. I couldn't believe it. With the

846
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:09.880
guys I love to always win,
I guessed, so I gloated, I

847
01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:13.880
flushed with pride. That's one thing
we see at the show, and belon

848
01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:17.360
mm hmm, we do see fans
that are there to see their favorites win.

849
01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:22.199
Yes, where what the fuck happened
to that? I mean, if

850
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.079
they're there, they don't show them
on camera anymore. And that's for sure.

851
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:28.639
They're not the ones that mug enough
to get on TV. No,

852
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:32.159
what cares about is having the match
of matches. It was. I'm I'm

853
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:37.800
here to see a performance, you
know, like I'm here to see a

854
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:44.480
sky that was scary. That was
scary. I know that it's not real,

855
01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:47.840
So I'm not really invested in who
wins or who loses. I'm really

856
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:51.840
invested in the performance, Like,
you know, what are they going to

857
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:55.159
do to wow me? You know
what kind of incredible athletic maneuvers. Are

858
01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:59.719
they going to pull out in their
match? Like? You know, I'm

859
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:04.599
a big fan of of of really
twisty, turny type of moves that that

860
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:10.920
really you know that the kind of
death defying superhero type. Shit, Hulk,

861
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:15.599
You're not fooling anybody, by the
way, this TNA general manager Hogan

862
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:18.559
trying to work a program with the
young Bucks in the extension. Brother,

863
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:26.559
I didn't know what tnah I mean, dude, I'm all about ec W.

864
01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:30.719
I'm all about extremities. Brother.
Remember we cracked a beer with EV

865
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:36.199
two two point zero. That was
great TV. Oh my god. It

866
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:42.400
was at the the following year when
Savage struck that brutal blow with the scepter.

867
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:45.039
My Warrior lost his hard won title
to Sergeant fucking Slaughter. This was

868
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:47.599
the first time the thought crossed my
mind, who books this ship. I

869
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:50.400
was heartbroken. I was suddenly jaded. I had realized it used to be

870
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:55.960
better when I was just twelve.
Yep, my lapstom my endless ups and

871
01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:59.000
downs with wrestling fandom don't need much
further detailing. Let's just say I took

872
01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:04.159
a familiar path of disappointment, elation, pain, shame, dedication and abandonment

873
01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:08.280
of the sport of kings. Finally, recently, I had that old childhood

874
01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:12.679
spark of love rekindled with the emergence
of AW and an obsession with pro wrestling

875
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.800
history that began, of course with
TLF. Yes. One thing I can

876
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:20.119
say about my relationship with Falsified Fisticuffs
now at forty six years old, Wow,

877
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:24.599
it's a constant like the Mafia,
not the main event kind fuck them.

878
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:27.119
But once you're in, you're in, and I love it, hate

879
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:30.119
it. You'll never get away from
it. That's right. I'm at peace

880
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:33.480
with that now. Your AWA and
World Class Journeys were the finest examples of

881
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:39.320
long form audio documentary ever produced on
any subject by anyone anywhere. I take

882
01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:43.119
no argument on these points. Your
TNH series was one of the funniest and

883
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:46.599
most genuinely painful experiences I've been through. I thought JP might just up and

884
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:56.400
quit at some points, but you're
but you powered through towardgasmic completion as always.

885
01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:00.400
Yeah. Finally to the meat of
the matter, and Martyr's recently put

886
01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:04.199
out a record called Luminism. The
closing track is a song called Death of

887
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:10.559
the Territories, and while it takes
its title from ten Hornbacker's incredible book.

888
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:15.360
Its lyrics are entirely inspired by your
Awa journey. There we go, You

889
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:19.039
get a brought to you by credit
on the CD in lay sleeve, Thank

890
01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:24.519
you for that pal lyrics are also
attached. It's written, he writes,

891
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:29.400
from the point of view a Vern, oh boy, and I'll be sure

892
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:33.119
to give his estate ninety percent of
Japanese royalties. It's rose tinted. It's

893
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:38.800
nostalgic for a time and place I
never knew, a time I fell in

894
01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:43.960
love with because of your you pair
of fucking poets, he writes. In

895
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:46.360
the song, Vern comes across as
a noble guy fighting against the odds.

896
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:51.960
If there's one thing I've learned from
a lifetime of imaginary athletics, it's that

897
01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:57.280
the truth should never get in the
way of a good story. Always working.

898
01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:01.159
Yes, TLF is penetrated finally some
but stuff many aspects of my life.

899
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:04.519
I didn't imagine it would make its
way into my music. But hey,

900
01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:08.960
here we are. I really thought
I was gonna say to my rectum.

901
01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:14.000
It kind of implied, Yeah,
I guess, thank you for everything.

902
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:16.400
Here's to a minimum of ten more
years. He writes of TLF glory,

903
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:20.480
you have made a positive difference in
a lot of people's lives. How

904
01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:26.679
many other podcasts can say that?
M Michael and what that We're proud to

905
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:30.599
present inspired by the life and death
of the Awa, we expect more of

906
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:35.679
this to roll in as we celebrate
ten years of Lapstom TLFX. It's death

907
01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:47.280
of the Territories by our friends martyrs. When I got the Panci fifteen nine,

908
01:07:48.280 --> 01:08:00.960
I was writing on you built me
a sort of empire around my always

909
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:15.239
you betcher, we could do no
drawing bag. On Christmas Night at the

910
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:28.079
Saving Game, the Twins saty,
freezing cold but feeling ride. How I

911
01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:40.520
hate those sweet mamay When my run
was done in nineteen eighteen one, I

912
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:50.640
put bark Winkle on. I could
not let go o the rains of the

913
01:08:50.880 --> 01:09:05.600
show even try to give my sun
a shot. Call us corny. Those

914
01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:16.840
knights were realizing any thing. Thousands
of kids who loved what we did,

915
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:28.159
smiling faces when the heroes we I
miss the forest for the trees. In

916
01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:40.720
nineteen eighty three, Terry should have
left the superccher but start to my guards

917
01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:47.439
and was left with no one.
While New York was tightened in the cloud.

918
01:09:50.399 --> 01:10:00.640
A few more fighting the tide,
our days at the save, We're

919
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:15.800
gone. I never lost my bride
our way showers by Gondy Man. It

920
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:26.960
took my house, he closed me
down, Vince beat me at my best.

921
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:40.399
They took the horn soul of the
territory, and they took the rest

922
01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:56.119
I got from my window every day
night on my own, I see those

923
01:10:56.720 --> 01:11:09.000
smiling faces, and I tell the
boys to take it. Had my sleeves

924
01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:20.720
rolled up, a cafe down,
ready a bog theatime. I can always

925
01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:48.439
say when evil came lost, but
I did not back down. Death of

926
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:56.680
the territories. M drawing big on
Christmas night. That's right at the civic

927
01:11:56.720 --> 01:12:03.640
in the Twin Cities, ready for
this freezing cold, but feeling right.

928
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:15.279
Yes, how I hate those sweet
memories. It's all their folks. That's

929
01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:17.079
reality. Thank you, Michael.
And you know it's in the spirit of

930
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:25.000
folks commemorating TLFX by making songs,
by making art. Yes that we come

931
01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:30.199
now to our latest announcement in our
year long celebration of ten years of dominance,

932
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:33.720
as verified by Chat GPT. By
the way, mm hmm. Indeed,

933
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:38.479
if you ask chat GPT is the
lapsed fan dominant. It confirms the

934
01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:43.600
indeed it is. I mean chat
GPT knows. Yeah, I'm in no

935
01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:49.600
position to dispute AI. We're here
to announce that on the feed. Over

936
01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:59.199
the next several weeks and months,
we are unveiling the inaugural class of the

937
01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:05.079
Lapsed Fan Hall of Fame. It's
very exciting. Pang swang Tang Tang tang,

938
01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:12.119
you know the Dealang Kan Kan King
King the twenty twenty four W Kang

939
01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:20.279
King King Kang Kang Clang King King, Kang Kan Kan King King Kan King

940
01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:30.319
King King King King Clan Kan Kang
Kang Kang Kan Kan Kang Indeed, w

941
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:34.600
TLF Hall of Fame Induction Class.
This has been in the works for quite

942
01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:39.640
a while. It has thanks to
some of the more rock solid members of

943
01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:44.600
the TLF Solar system. They put
their heads together. They sort of compared

944
01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:47.680
bona fides in terms of, you
know, verifying that they're true blue lapsed

945
01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:51.239
fans that have been in it for
a long time and therefore have the most

946
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:55.960
discerning ear you know, Hall of
Fame. It can't be a popularity contest,

947
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:59.520
right, Oh, no, definitely
not. I mean, you can't

948
01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:02.520
let that have. It has to
be voted on by the people who take

949
01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:11.159
most seriously, you know, absorbing
that cast, contextualizing that cast, deciding

950
01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:14.880
what it is the cast, digest
that cast absolutely, and all the rest

951
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:21.760
evacuating that cast on occasion. Sorry. And so a trenchant group of folks

952
01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:27.359
out there in the Solar system,
all of whom your co chairmen deeply agree,

953
01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:31.359
deserve the honor of being Hall of
Fame class voters have picked one hundred

954
01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:40.439
different moments from ten years of TLF, in varying lengths and of varying themes,

955
01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:44.640
to inaugurate, to immortalize out of
the Hall of Fame. And so

956
01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:48.479
what we're going to be doing is
unveiling those over the next several months here

957
01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:53.720
on the feed, one at a
time, from the archives, sort of

958
01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:59.960
resurfaced, repackaged and given a brand
machine as a Hall of Fame moment.

959
01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:03.079
You know, the moments over the
years at TLF where you've absolutely had to

960
01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:09.359
pause and double over with laughter,
or sat there and looked longingly out the

961
01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:13.760
window at what used to be yeh, or or you know, tragic moments,

962
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:18.560
you know, reactions to just some
of those horrifying things we could possibly

963
01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:23.239
see in a wrestling ring. Yep. It's always a question over ten years,

964
01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:25.600
isn't it, Boss, What would
you tell somebody that's new to the

965
01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:29.000
cast to check out first? Yes, and people find their own way in.

966
01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:30.800
Most people start with the journey.
They hear about it. We got

967
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:33.279
a fresh wave of it during the
Ironclaw release, for example, and the

968
01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:38.600
lamentimal tragedy is there for a lot
of folks. But what's great about the

969
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:43.600
TLF Solar System is they know that
it's not just about the stuff that's easily

970
01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:46.680
digestible as special like a journey.
Absolutely, it's equal parts, even more

971
01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:50.199
so about those in between moments,
those shows that you might think are innocuous,

972
01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:53.920
those shows that you might think are
asides, those shows that you might

973
01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:57.439
think aren't really at the heart of
the show, where inevitably most of the

974
01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:01.000
things that define the heart of the
show happen. The euro European Rampage ninety

975
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:09.560
three. Perhaps it is a particular
particular example at a particular podcast. So

976
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:14.920
we're really excited that folks out there
in the Solar System put this list together.

977
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:18.359
It was curated with the help of
select Solar System members, validated by

978
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:26.840
TLFHQ identified by Haystacks Cawloon. Collection
of time codes took place from November twenty

979
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:29.880
twenty three to the beginning of January
twenty twenty four. That is to say,

980
01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:33.720
the moments in the individual show files
that qualify and the finalized list was

981
01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:39.640
sent to and shared with your co
chairman back in January, and these spots

982
01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:43.960
will serve as the inaugural class of
the Lapsed Fame Lapsed Fan Hall of Fame

983
01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:46.479
Moments and future Hall of Fame classes
you better believe will be curated from the

984
01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:54.840
entire solar system and validated by some
of our truest bluest fans. So we

985
01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:58.159
have a couple of things to note. One, these will not come out

986
01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:02.159
in any particular order. This isn't
a top one hundred. Yes, as

987
01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:05.920
of right now, these are all
equal in equal standing. They have equal

988
01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:12.560
opportunities, equal endeavors. Right this
is we are an equal opportunity employer.

989
01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:15.960
I mean, maybe there is something
to read into the we are an equal

990
01:17:16.079 --> 01:17:20.039
opportunity Hall of Fame. Indeed,
maybe there's something to read in the idea

991
01:17:20.119 --> 01:17:24.159
that you know, these one hundred
moments made it in the first class and

992
01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:28.479
the second class therefore, is a
peg down might not jump right immediately to

993
01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:31.520
mind as the most absolutely legendary and
typical moments, and who knows when or

994
01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:36.199
if we'll even expanded much from here, might not even be a hall of

995
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:43.680
fame without a haul. Well,
we learn from WW that it's very possible,

996
01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:48.279
and so with that we're taking that
lead and going ahead and creating a

997
01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:53.640
hypothetical hall of fame here for us
at a TLF. So again, as

998
01:17:53.680 --> 01:17:56.239
these moments roll out, don't look
at it as you know, to create

999
01:17:56.319 --> 01:18:00.920
like a like a like a digital
haul, you know, like like we're

1000
01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:03.399
you know, you know how you
can Universe on Google Maps and you can

1001
01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:08.079
like go down streets and stuff if
you click certain ways and stuff. That's

1002
01:18:08.079 --> 01:18:10.920
what we should do that, Yeah, metaverse hall of Fame. I love

1003
01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:14.119
the idea. Yeah, yeah,
you know, come upon some and then

1004
01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:16.000
you go down certain you know,
go down certain wings and stuff, and

1005
01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:21.159
you can click on click on the
piece of sound. Yeah. Absolutely,

1006
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:26.079
And do you see this dystopian artwork
from Yes, I mean, oh,

1007
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:31.520
it has to be this like the
most bizarre, unsettling non you know,

1008
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:35.560
it's like it has it almost has
almost has nothing to do with what the

1009
01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:40.039
content of the of the audio is, of course not No, you would

1010
01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:43.840
have no idea just looking at the
imagery. Yes, we come to Philly

1011
01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:45.720
to talk about pro wrestling. In
the poster as a picture of Philadelphia on

1012
01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:53.640
fire with not a not a ring
anywhere, not a wrestler anywhere, just

1013
01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:57.119
damage. I mean, look,
honestly, in ten years, you'll be

1014
01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:00.159
able to just open up a program
type you know, create me a all

1015
01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:02.920
of fame off the Lapsed Fan podcast, right and it'll be generated in about

1016
01:19:02.920 --> 01:19:10.399
an hour. Well, it'll probably
be able to say, please, please,

1017
01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:17.079
create, write and record three thousand
episodes of a Lapse Fan right now.

1018
01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:21.960
Absolutely absolutely, and get get those
coming to a VR headset near you.

1019
01:19:23.399 --> 01:19:27.279
Yes, absolutely, Oh no fores. So again, these aren't in

1020
01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:30.319
chronological order, per se. I
think they might roll out kind of roughly

1021
01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:32.600
in the cadence of the shows we
decided to do, which, of course,

1022
01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:35.359
from the beginning was always in the
spirit of what we're doing right now,

1023
01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:39.479
arbitrary you know. Yes, we
didn't start out with an idea of

1024
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:41.840
what a journey even would have been. One of the magical moments is when

1025
01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:45.039
we realized that there were thirty weeks
to go to the next WrestleMania and thirty

1026
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:48.119
WrestleManias to cover, none of which
we had touched. Yet these things happen

1027
01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:51.279
organically because you know, we've been
charmed from the beginning of this thing.

1028
01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:56.840
We've always had tailwinds, no headwinds. Yep, damn right, and so

1029
01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:00.399
well, the clips will roll out, I guess you could say, roughly

1030
01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:03.279
in the order of the shows as
as to when they dropped them, when

1031
01:20:03.279 --> 01:20:06.680
we did them. That is no
reflection of like this one's better than this

1032
01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:10.640
one or anything like that. We
are good parents. We love all of

1033
01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:14.279
our children, even the problem children, yes, even the red headed step

1034
01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:17.159
children, even the drunk uncles.
We love all of our family yep.

1035
01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:23.880
And so even the ones that really
aren't related but they're bound by you know,

1036
01:20:24.079 --> 01:20:29.279
samoan bloodline thing. And so never
let it be said again that there

1037
01:20:29.319 --> 01:20:33.520
isn't a very handy guide to what
TLF is all about, something you can

1038
01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:35.960
point people to to say, all
right, here are the one hundred moments

1039
01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:39.520
if you have the stomach, and
there'll be a varying lengths you know,

1040
01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:42.720
yeah, of course, but we're
very excited to roll this out, So

1041
01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:46.279
keep your eye on the feed for
the inaugural induction coming soon, and then

1042
01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:50.760
just an absolute bevy throughout twenty twenty
four in celebration of ten years of the

1043
01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:56.720
cast the Lapsed Fan Hall of Fame. Mm hm, we appreciate it,

1044
01:20:57.479 --> 01:21:01.199
and again the door swung wide open
to members of the Solar System and celebration

1045
01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:06.520
of TLF facts. Do share with
us your inspirations and let us share them

1046
01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:11.680
with everybody else. It is.
It's sort of like open mic night.

1047
01:21:11.720 --> 01:21:15.039
I like to think of twenty twenty
four here at TLF. In that spirit,

1048
01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:18.680
we continue to point us to our
buddies, Gabe and Blake Yes over

1049
01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:23.880
at the whole ballgame as they take
a lapsed perspective on the game of baseball,

1050
01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:28.079
the American pastime, and we're going
to hit you with yet another reminder.

1051
01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:30.800
This from the folks over there.
We know everything in this life,

1052
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:33.399
wrestling included, used to be better. And we also know that when we

1053
01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:38.159
say everything, we absolutely mean it. Two died in the world. Members

1054
01:21:38.199 --> 01:21:41.399
of the Solar System recognize that we
have the wrestling side locked up, that

1055
01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:45.199
is your coach, Chairman, and
so they've decided to plumb the depths folks

1056
01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:48.960
of America's national pastime. The Whole
Ballgame is a podcast inspired by TLF.

1057
01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:53.840
On each episode, they highlight two
personalities from a particular matchup and then watch

1058
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:56.960
you guess it, the Whole Ballgame. Whole Ball Game is a deep dive

1059
01:21:57.000 --> 01:22:00.960
into the personalities, archetypes, trials
and triumphs that made you fall in love

1060
01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:03.000
with baseball as a kid. You
know when it used to be better taking

1061
01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:06.479
your CoA chair's lead. No prisoners
are taken, no quoter given, No

1062
01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:11.640
guys with a face left unrecognized.
Then there are no sacred cows. Intellectual

1063
01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:14.960
honesty is at a premium, and
you'll find it at The Whole Ball Game

1064
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:18.479
and a world of lies. Co
Commissioners Blake and gab Gabe find the truth,

1065
01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:20.600
even if the truth is made of
lies, and as we know,

1066
01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:24.439
it almost always is. You understand, Oh yes, You can listen to

1067
01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:26.720
the show right here in the main
feed of TLF here and in just a

1068
01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:30.359
matter of days, as we'll drop
another a sample episode for everybody out there

1069
01:22:30.399 --> 01:22:32.319
in the Solar system. Proud of
these two for the work they put in

1070
01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:36.680
and the way they're carrying the torch. You can also add to the Whole

1071
01:22:36.720 --> 01:22:41.079
Ballgame dot com or search the whole
ballgame anywhere you listen to podcasts to listen

1072
01:22:41.159 --> 01:22:43.319
in. If you're a baseball fan, used to be, or just want

1073
01:22:43.359 --> 01:22:45.199
more intellectual honesty in your life,
give it a whirl. As Harley would

1074
01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:51.159
say, Boss, that's the whole
ballgame. Indeed, so a tip of

1075
01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:57.039
the cap to those folks and also
to our continuing support from our friends over

1076
01:22:57.079 --> 01:23:00.960
at Tight Nutrition. There's nothing more
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1077
01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:05.000
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Fuck it patreon dot com slash the
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1096
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Patreon dot com slash the lapsed Fan. The engine where real ones come to

1097
01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:30.720
be certified. That is where we've
said it before. We'll say it again.

1098
01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:34.079
The big swinging dicks. That's where
you take your big swinging dick and

1099
01:24:34.159 --> 01:24:38.640
you fucking bash somebody in the head
with it. That's where you give us

1100
01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:43.960
cause to tell people in polite company
or you know what, big big swinging

1101
01:24:44.039 --> 01:24:48.279
dicks and also the the the giant
chomping pussies. Absolutely can forget those all

1102
01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:58.640
right, venus fly traps out there. Yeah, it gives us basis when

1103
01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:02.479
in Polite Company we unwittingly reveal that
we do a wrestling podcast. Yes,

1104
01:25:03.119 --> 01:25:06.640
patreon dot com slash lapsed fan is
that thing we can dangle out there to

1105
01:25:06.720 --> 01:25:13.840
say, shut your fucking mouth,
and what you know exactly about getting people

1106
01:25:13.880 --> 01:25:16.279
in your corner such that you can
count on this base of financial support to

1107
01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:20.439
continue the enterprise? Yes, what
you know about creating a podcast that does

1108
01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:27.680
this besides absolutely nothing? That's what's
a proof of concept. The only language

1109
01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:31.640
that seems to count these days,
dollars and cents. Put your support behind

1110
01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:36.079
us and get what boss? You
get a ton of shit rock and wrestle.

1111
01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:41.960
Mamia for that mote tear russell mommy
on Mother's Day? No less on,

1112
01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:46.119
absolutely absolutely, come on. You
think we fuck around here, you

1113
01:25:46.279 --> 01:25:51.960
know better we don't fuck around.
What did we hit them with our the

1114
01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:59.640
day after Mother's Day? The day
after Mother's Day? I believe I'm trying

1115
01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:04.399
to make sure I get it right
here. I'm pretty sure it was Cody

1116
01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:10.479
versus Dustin, Oh my goodness from
the aw double or nothing. Yes,

1117
01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:17.479
I'm that to that one with Dustin
covered in juice. How about family matters

1118
01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:23.680
on mothers, she covered absolutely,
she was Mama Rhodes. She was.

1119
01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:28.000
If you don't know, wrestle Mamia
is a special treat exclusively for our highest

1120
01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:30.920
pledging tear, the moat Teer,
the mother of all tears, in which

1121
01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:35.279
the boss man sits next to his
mom and shares just like hours and hours

1122
01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:40.520
of quality moments watching wrestling matches.
And the thing she says, she's every

1123
01:26:40.640 --> 01:26:43.600
mother. Yes she is. I
don't care if we're talking about here Milan

1124
01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:46.439
Uk, don't care. She is
every mother that's ever had a son who

1125
01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:50.199
was a professional wrestling fan. Yep. And you need you need to get

1126
01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:54.800
this in your ears if you want
that full three hundred and sixty degree lapsed

1127
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:59.520
experience. And it's not on everyone's
priority list, but I'm telling you it's

1128
01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:03.680
almost boss You're getting you're getting a
glimpse into what it was like before we

1129
01:27:03.800 --> 01:27:09.199
ever thought about a podcast. You
getting almost formed you into a wrestling fan

1130
01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:11.920
that can do a podcast. This
is what it was, you know,

1131
01:27:11.960 --> 01:27:14.880
and it's it's kind of funny.
You know. We we've been I've been,

1132
01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:19.479
you know, mentioning if if I've
ever watched a show in front of

1133
01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:25.319
my mom or someone that even recorded
her, and you know, she's she's

1134
01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:29.800
been doing this the whole time,
you know, making making comments. She

1135
01:27:29.880 --> 01:27:34.800
gets drawn into it naturally, you
know, and and then she starts commenting

1136
01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:38.880
on it and I really expressing fans
we all know that feeling, yes,

1137
01:27:39.079 --> 01:27:43.159
that exhilaration of like your your parents, who for the most part think it's

1138
01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:45.600
pretty fucking lame that you watch wrestling
for some reason. Yes, one match,

1139
01:27:45.680 --> 01:27:49.199
one promo catches their attention, yep. And it's in that moment where

1140
01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:53.199
you're like, oh my god,
these men and women are actually good at

1141
01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:56.840
what they do, and that they
can captivate somebody who could give a fuck

1142
01:27:56.840 --> 01:28:00.880
about pro wrestling if they do it
just right. And this is the you

1143
01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:03.399
know, this Bresselmamia project is very
much a monument to that that notion that's

1144
01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:08.520
so central to lapst them. It
is. It is, without a doubt,

1145
01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:13.800
one of the one of the it's
hard, it's hard to not it's

1146
01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:15.439
hard to keep a straight face during
it, and I do my best to

1147
01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:19.359
keep a straight face because I can
attest it's it is, you know,

1148
01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:26.560
because she's it wouldn't play if she
knew if I were laughing at almost everything

1149
01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:29.199
she said. But I think you
put your finger on something important there in

1150
01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:31.319
terms of TLFX, like what's what's
part of what makes sense about this whole

1151
01:28:31.359 --> 01:28:34.560
thing that keeps it going so long? It's pretty much just a bunch of

1152
01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:39.880
audio files, recordings of things that
would be happening, whether we had a

1153
01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:43.560
podcast or not. Right, conversations
that would be happening when we got together,

1154
01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:46.000
whether we had a podcast or not. Right, breakdowns of movies and

1155
01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:48.680
old wrestling events that we would be
happening, whether we had a podcast or

1156
01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:51.760
not. Discussion yep, yep.
That's what's up, and that's what people

1157
01:28:51.800 --> 01:28:56.039
can sense. That's what people can
taste, and that's what conviensous people that

1158
01:28:56.119 --> 01:29:00.359
you know what, I need this, I need this genuine voice in my

1159
01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:05.960
in my circulation, in my rotation
of wrestling podcasts or whatever form of wrestling

1160
01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:11.439
media you consume, because it's that
real ship and you can taste it.

1161
01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:16.600
And the proof is in the building, absolutely under the cinemat is still rocking

1162
01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:20.680
from the toy dollar executive producer and
above tier as well. Boy oh boy,

1163
01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:29.800
well, we're onto the next leg
of the carneiz Are Forever journey.

1164
01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:36.159
We've graduated from the rather chaotic Actually, I don't think I even I didn't

1165
01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:41.560
even realize it until we were kind
of balls deep in it, the very

1166
01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:46.760
chaotic Sean Connery years, yes,
of the Bond, of the James Bond

1167
01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:55.840
franchise, and just the kind of
you know and and you know this this

1168
01:29:58.079 --> 01:30:05.000
figuring things out, but at the
same time dealing with with with an influx

1169
01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:14.399
of copycats and also a star who
wanted something more and wanted something different and

1170
01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:17.600
wanted to get out of a fucking
franchise as as fast as possible. I

1171
01:30:17.680 --> 01:30:23.399
mean, we we made it.
We made the comparison, uh on the

1172
01:30:23.720 --> 01:30:30.560
Diamonds Are Forever episode that it was
really like it's it's it's like Hogan and

1173
01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:33.920
Warrior. You know, it's that
golden age there where you have Sean Connery

1174
01:30:34.039 --> 01:30:38.880
is hul Cogan and then you know, he he he wants to go make

1175
01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:44.680
other movies and so they they give
the they give the torch to George Lazenby

1176
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:49.000
the Ultimate Warrior, and it just
it it it it doesn't do what they

1177
01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:53.439
needed to do, so they go
back to the King, an influx of

1178
01:30:53.520 --> 01:30:58.359
copycats. I knew, I shared
something. I knew we had something in

1179
01:30:58.439 --> 01:31:03.920
common with Bond, and uh yeah, and it's it's now's the time of

1180
01:31:04.039 --> 01:31:10.720
jump on that. Absolutely, I
gotta say, as somebody who really knew,

1181
01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:15.000
he always wanted to grasp what's so
special about the Bond franchise, but

1182
01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:17.800
never had the time or inclination to
actually sit down and take the movies in

1183
01:31:18.359 --> 01:31:21.920
yep, For a wrestling fan,
a wrestling first kind of person, this

1184
01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:28.680
is like an absolute, you know, godsend because and the fact that we're

1185
01:31:28.680 --> 01:31:32.680
able to you know, the reason
why I chose to do it was because

1186
01:31:32.720 --> 01:31:39.039
we there were so many there's so
many that qualified and that and that there

1187
01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:47.520
were films of every era and so
we could really cover the entire James Bond

1188
01:31:48.760 --> 01:31:55.399
cinematic journey and meet these wrestlers that
just are way more famous for their protuligation

1189
01:31:55.479 --> 01:31:58.159
in Bond. Oh. I mean, you know, I Peter my v

1190
01:31:58.279 --> 01:32:02.159
is an exception, maybe, but
still to the wider world, to the

1191
01:32:02.199 --> 01:32:06.079
wider culture, Peter my Via perhaps
better known for his participation in Bond than

1192
01:32:06.119 --> 01:32:10.119
his entering exploits. But what a
treat to have an excuse to crack that

1193
01:32:10.239 --> 01:32:14.520
story open. And yep, get
into the nef Mayava days and he ed

1194
01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:18.840
Francis fifty State Wrestling days. What
a treat. It's been so great and

1195
01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:21.680
we will continue. The Carnies are
forever journey forever, right, I mean

1196
01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:26.079
talk about TLFX, that's kind of
that's like going to be all of our

1197
01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:30.479
TLFX UTC stuff. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, there's just

1198
01:32:30.520 --> 01:32:32.399
so much talk about, so much
chop up. But as Boss always says,

1199
01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:35.439
there's plenty of non bond films on
that list as well. Goonies.

1200
01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:38.960
I just talked, oh my god, goonies. Goonies says, Yeah,

1201
01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:42.359
there are hundreds, literally hundreds of
movies, Oh my god. And that's

1202
01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:45.680
not even all that's those are the
ones that I cared to to jot down,

1203
01:32:45.399 --> 01:32:48.119
you know, like you know,
you look at I mean, one

1204
01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:57.079
of the one of the greatest fountains
of of of like there always ever need

1205
01:32:57.199 --> 01:33:00.840
to be like a go to the
resource source is Jean Lebelle because he was

1206
01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:05.319
the stuntman in over two hundred movies. Yep, and it's like I can't

1207
01:33:06.079 --> 01:33:10.840
I can't I'm not, you know, I can't write all of them down,

1208
01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:14.720
you know, like and also so
many of them what the fuck are

1209
01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:18.039
they? Which is always more fun
honestly when you don't know anything about the

1210
01:33:18.079 --> 01:33:20.960
movie. Yeah, like this show
right here, I would never have to

1211
01:33:21.039 --> 01:33:26.119
watch this, but this is perfect
and uh, you know, we've certainly

1212
01:33:26.439 --> 01:33:32.399
done a fair share of that.
But it's like, ew, yeah,

1213
01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:35.920
it's it's it's so there's so many. There's so many, more than we

1214
01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:42.239
ever ever possibly could have dreamed of. That's that's what I'm realizing, is

1215
01:33:42.279 --> 01:33:46.680
that there are so many. Really, there are so many unknown wrestlers or

1216
01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:53.399
at least little known wrestlers in this
day and age who have had Europeans.

1217
01:33:53.399 --> 01:33:57.119
By the way, yes, a
lot of Europeans, especially with this specifically

1218
01:33:57.199 --> 01:34:02.840
with the with the Bond Journey,
there are it's it's mostly European wrestlers who

1219
01:34:02.920 --> 01:34:12.720
get featured, and it's just remarkable
that they you know, I'm I'm I'm

1220
01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:18.119
honored that even with the limited audience
of with the cinemat that they are,

1221
01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:25.039
that they get a little more spotlight
than they maybe did. Yes, yeah,

1222
01:34:25.119 --> 01:34:29.439
totally agree. It's like a it's
like a connoisseur only kind of experience,

1223
01:34:29.560 --> 01:34:31.479
you know, yeah, and it's
great to you know, something else

1224
01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:34.319
you get by pledging to our Patreon
is you get to engage in the back

1225
01:34:34.319 --> 01:34:38.199
and forth, you know, as
folks comment on some of the different shows.

1226
01:34:38.279 --> 01:34:40.600
And it's sort of like a message
board. It's almost like we have

1227
01:34:40.640 --> 01:34:44.960
our forum, except it's the comment
section under audio files and some really smart,

1228
01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:46.880
incisive and hilarious commentary for members of
the Solar System in there. We

1229
01:34:46.960 --> 01:34:50.039
try to share choice nuggets of that
when we do our mailbag shows. But

1230
01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:54.359
man, what what a what a
thing to get involved in, and no

1231
01:34:54.520 --> 01:34:58.359
time like the present, Honestly,
it's it's really popping over there these days,

1232
01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:00.600
as it should be. And you
know, you get not only add

1233
01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:03.119
free versions of this podcast, you
get the Deep Dives a day early.

1234
01:35:03.159 --> 01:35:05.880
You get under the cinemat if you
pledge at that amount, if you pledge

1235
01:35:06.079 --> 01:35:10.680
at the VIP tier or above,
you get our monthly live WD calls,

1236
01:35:10.840 --> 01:35:15.560
our pl live calls this year,
this month, in fact May, there's

1237
01:35:15.600 --> 01:35:19.079
two of them, very did backlaves
that's available. Are you ready for King

1238
01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:25.479
and Queen of the Ring in Saudi? So it's another fucking it'll be another

1239
01:35:25.560 --> 01:35:29.479
premium delayed call of course. Yeah. I mean everything's going to be in

1240
01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:30.960
the afternoon apparently now, because when
it's a B show, they just go

1241
01:35:31.039 --> 01:35:34.119
to an international market that's only going
to pay them millions of dollars just to

1242
01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:38.399
show up. Therefore, it's got
to be on a night that makes sense

1243
01:35:38.439 --> 01:35:41.199
for that city, and it's almost
always a Saturday, right. Who gives

1244
01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:45.319
a fuck about the time code at
the time zone. They don't anymore.

1245
01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:46.720
They don't have to worry about not
being on primetime and not selling pay per

1246
01:35:46.760 --> 01:35:49.439
view orders. It's all streaming on
Peacock anyway. No one gives a fuck.

1247
01:35:50.199 --> 01:35:53.720
It's a different world. It's going
to change, though. It sounds

1248
01:35:53.800 --> 01:35:57.319
like under the TKO ownership, they're
going to try to be doing these these

1249
01:35:57.399 --> 01:36:00.640
things where they put together UFC and
pay per views on the same weekend,

1250
01:36:01.199 --> 01:36:04.319
and so UFC will have the Saturday
night WB go back to having the Sunday

1251
01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:09.199
night Wow really, which was kind
of when we launched the whole idea of

1252
01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:12.199
pay per view live calls as a
special Patreon feature, it was kind of

1253
01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:14.600
like, you know, Sunday nights
are pretty reliably open for us, you

1254
01:36:14.680 --> 01:36:16.239
know, like, right, it's
not going to conflict with you know,

1255
01:36:16.479 --> 01:36:19.359
family or anything like this. And
then of course the second we hit a

1256
01:36:19.399 --> 01:36:24.039
flow where people absolutely need it and
will jump off of roofs if we don't

1257
01:36:24.039 --> 01:36:27.800
provide it. Yeah, they switch
to Saturdays and just blow a hole on

1258
01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:30.880
our weekends. We fought bad it
back as best as we could, but

1259
01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:34.119
relief may be on the way on
that front. But yeah, I mean

1260
01:36:34.199 --> 01:36:38.520
King and Queen to the Ring.
We talk about Brett versus a bam bam

1261
01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:40.720
here. Yeah, right, this
is what's left of the King of the

1262
01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:44.279
Ring concept, folks, I can
move the bringing back a whole show for

1263
01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:46.119
it. I know. It's actually, uh, it makes some sense when

1264
01:36:46.159 --> 01:36:48.119
you think of that, you know, the royalty, the Crown Jewel,

1265
01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:51.359
the Crown Prince and all that.
Yeah, I guess it seems to be

1266
01:36:51.399 --> 01:36:57.680
a mark for like shows that crown
best greatest trophy, right, Like this

1267
01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:00.159
idea that we're anointing the best on
this out he shows, even if it's

1268
01:37:00.279 --> 01:37:04.840
like a total k fabe hustle,
you know, it seems to be what

1269
01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:09.359
they It seems to be what they
think he wants to see and hear.

1270
01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:12.920
Is this framing of the event,
is crowning someone to Leite or something.

1271
01:37:13.079 --> 01:37:16.439
I think Exagerer Woods is exactly who
he had in mind. You never know,

1272
01:37:16.840 --> 01:37:21.000
but they can't get Yokozuna reportedly who
he asked about the availability of the

1273
01:37:21.039 --> 01:37:26.600
Crown Prince when they first got Ah, my oma, no, oh,

1274
01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:29.760
my god, does he come with
it? He doesn't care what the Italian

1275
01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:41.079
is. The next bural you'll go
to you no one in that. So

1276
01:37:41.600 --> 01:37:44.000
that said, do check it,
check us out. Coming up at the

1277
01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:46.640
end of the month for the King
and Queen of the Ring live call,

1278
01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:51.439
and of course through yet another summer
of lapsed. It's going to be it's

1279
01:37:51.479 --> 01:37:56.239
going to be a scorcher. It
is going to be a scorcher. And

1280
01:37:56.319 --> 01:38:00.960
so if this show is going to
be about you know, European UH tours

1281
01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:03.840
and Brett Hart standing out on said
tours and in fact manuventing this card in

1282
01:38:03.920 --> 01:38:10.119
Milan, it might be time to
finally grapple with the unique relationship that Brett

1283
01:38:10.119 --> 01:38:14.319
Hart has with the country of Italy. Let's not forget he once married an

1284
01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:18.039
extremely young girl from Italy? Did
he really? Oh? All right?

1285
01:38:18.319 --> 01:38:25.039
So Brad who you know, fancied
himself a Fellini filmmaker early in early in

1286
01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:28.119
life when he was decided total lot
to study in school. And you know,

1287
01:38:28.239 --> 01:38:30.319
we can see those filmmaking. We
can see that filmmaking DNA and the

1288
01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:33.479
man, I think it's safe to
say the way he is, the way

1289
01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:38.039
he writes, the way he chronicles, the the care he takes, and

1290
01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:43.199
how his visual legacy is preserved and
presented as evidence by that first WWDD DVD

1291
01:38:43.279 --> 01:38:45.760
set and all the negotiations around that. You know, a guy who cares

1292
01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:49.199
about, you know, telling a
story, well even if it's you know,

1293
01:38:49.359 --> 01:38:56.000
a story with the capital ass and
and listen, there's he's he's in

1294
01:38:56.119 --> 01:39:01.039
his glorious prime in this era to
it. How so he's just he he

1295
01:39:03.439 --> 01:39:09.479
I I never I only appreciate it
the more the older I get and the

1296
01:39:09.600 --> 01:39:13.119
more I watch it. Brett Hart
so true of Brett. Everyone's come around

1297
01:39:13.319 --> 01:39:17.119
everyone, as much as I can
stand him as a person, as annoying

1298
01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:24.319
as he is, as as as
like just whatever, you look at him

1299
01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:30.640
and he just it's it's little things. It's just little little details that that

1300
01:39:31.039 --> 01:39:36.039
that make the difference of the whole
fucking thing. He is an Italian Renaissance

1301
01:39:36.119 --> 01:39:44.520
painter in the in the rest of
it, you know, like for for

1302
01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:46.840
for example, there's I made a
note of this for later on. But

1303
01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:53.600
he you know, Bam Bam at
one point picks up Brett, and Brett

1304
01:39:53.720 --> 01:39:58.800
tries to get out of it,
to get out of the hold, but

1305
01:39:59.119 --> 01:40:04.840
Bam Bam is too powerful and connects
with the backbreaker right right. And it's

1306
01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:11.359
like the fact that he tried to
wiggle out of it knowing that how devastating

1307
01:40:11.560 --> 01:40:17.119
the backbreaker would be. That's that's
word counts right, that he's trying to

1308
01:40:17.239 --> 01:40:21.720
offer resistance, right. You know, it's little things like that that he's

1309
01:40:21.760 --> 01:40:28.199
not just taking the move, he's
trying to he's trying to relieve himself of

1310
01:40:28.279 --> 01:40:31.479
any suffering that the move will give
him. It's it's such a good point.

1311
01:40:31.720 --> 01:40:34.640
Like you know, we've talked a
lot, and I've talked a lot

1312
01:40:34.680 --> 01:40:41.119
about how relevatory it's been for me
through you training for the ring and observing

1313
01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:45.359
that up close and other things we've
seen, you know, watch documentaries like

1314
01:40:45.399 --> 01:40:48.119
the you know, the Secrets Revealed
and stuff. How it's like seventy percent

1315
01:40:48.159 --> 01:40:53.239
the person taking the move that makes
it happen. Yep. But the art

1316
01:40:53.600 --> 01:40:57.039
is not just in knowing that the
art isn't hiding that fact. Yes,

1317
01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:00.760
the art is in having a match
that does not make it look like the

1318
01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:03.520
person receiving the move is doing all
the work, which all too often these

1319
01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:06.520
days, I would argue, is
is abundantly clear the case. Yeah,

1320
01:41:06.720 --> 01:41:11.399
we actually sit there and celebrate the
person that took the bump instead of the

1321
01:41:11.479 --> 01:41:14.119
person who, you know, within
the context of what we're watching, was

1322
01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:17.359
supposed to have delivered the punishment.
Right right, you think of Folly soaring

1323
01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:19.359
off the cage. I mean,
that's sort of like Exhibit A in a

1324
01:41:19.399 --> 01:41:23.239
lot of ways, but it's now
reached the point where it's like we are

1325
01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:28.760
praising the athleticism of the person who
took the move, and it's it's warranted

1326
01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:32.199
in a way because very often that
is spectacular athleticism on display. But Brett

1327
01:41:32.359 --> 01:41:36.439
does it in a way and he's
not doing you know, massively acrobatic spots,

1328
01:41:36.439 --> 01:41:41.520
I understand, but he does it
in a way where even though he's

1329
01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:45.680
doing most of the work, it
makes it look like the other guy is

1330
01:41:45.720 --> 01:41:50.079
the one outperforming. Yeap, the
other guy is the one executing crisply.

1331
01:41:50.720 --> 01:41:58.920
Did you know there was a There's
a clip that went around maybe about six

1332
01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:01.159
months ago or something like that.
There was a clip going around from that

1333
01:42:01.359 --> 01:42:06.079
match that he had with one two
three Kid on Raw a match okay,

1334
01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:14.239
and there was a moment. There's
a moment in there and where I think,

1335
01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:18.960
I think Kid does an arm drag
or a hip toss to to bretton

1336
01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:21.680
he was it was it was like
a surprise thing, you know, like

1337
01:42:21.760 --> 01:42:26.159
you you imagine Brett's gonna get the
upper hand earlier on, but at the

1338
01:42:26.199 --> 01:42:29.399
beginning of the match and and Kid
gets this move out on Brett, and

1339
01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:33.960
Brett gives a little head nod like
okay, all right, wasn't expecting that,

1340
01:42:34.079 --> 01:42:38.039
but okay, so you know,
it just it just like a little

1341
01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:45.079
thing. And again it's that that's
that's what makes it real. And it's

1342
01:42:45.119 --> 01:42:49.000
not about we consider here today and
praise Brett for what he did. But

1343
01:42:49.079 --> 01:42:51.720
in the moment, everyone's responding at
as, wow, look what one two

1344
01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:57.600
three kid did? Right, Look
how brilliant Brett was And exactly, look,

1345
01:42:58.439 --> 01:43:01.920
you know, kid did something so
oh so remarkable that Brett Hart was

1346
01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:08.479
astonished by it and taken aback,
right, and we can have enough confidence

1347
01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:11.439
that if he didn't execute it perfectly
or didn't execute it. Well, Brett

1348
01:43:11.439 --> 01:43:15.039
wouldn't have given him that just because
the script calls for you to nod and

1349
01:43:15.199 --> 01:43:17.640
acknowledgement. He wouldn't do it if
it didn't look good. And I don't

1350
01:43:17.640 --> 01:43:20.079
think that the script would have I
don't think this. I don't I don't

1351
01:43:20.079 --> 01:43:25.880
even think this like the script or
the booking of the match would have qualified

1352
01:43:25.880 --> 01:43:29.359
Brett to do that. I think
that's just him. Well, you give

1353
01:43:29.439 --> 01:43:31.359
him carp blanche to go out there, but the point knowing what to do

1354
01:43:31.640 --> 01:43:34.880
even if producers, you know,
an agent had a meeting backstage and said,

1355
01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:36.920
here the two or three things we
want to get over in the match.

1356
01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:40.039
It's not a script, but it's
like, we want to get over

1357
01:43:40.079 --> 01:43:43.039
that one, two three. Kid
is way more technically proficient than you were

1358
01:43:43.079 --> 01:43:45.000
ready for right for example. They
can out there and do it on their

1359
01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:48.079
own anyway, but sometimes you know
that that's part of the direction of the

1360
01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:50.600
brief bullet points of what they want
to achieve in the match, and then

1361
01:43:50.640 --> 01:43:55.800
you give the guys the ability to
color it in however they'd like. But

1362
01:43:55.920 --> 01:43:58.640
that's an example of it. You
know, you know that that's what we

1363
01:43:58.760 --> 01:44:00.039
learn from a lapsed funk and a
lot of It's like he would go in

1364
01:44:00.119 --> 01:44:02.680
there and like, god damn it, he knew how to make you look

1365
01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:05.840
good, but if you made him
look bad, it wouldn't last long because

1366
01:44:05.840 --> 01:44:09.840
he knew how to take that fucking
wheel and refuse to let his matches.

1367
01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:15.159
Yeah, look like a mockery of
combat. Yep. And it is as

1368
01:44:15.279 --> 01:44:17.239
wild and wacky as the cell jobs
Terry Funk used to do, as zany

1369
01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:21.880
as the stuff. It's still felt
like something someone like him would do in

1370
01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:27.119
a real fight. Yeah, yep, because he's fucking nuts, right,

1371
01:44:27.199 --> 01:44:29.399
And we saw him when he wasn't
nuts and he didn't do that stuff,

1372
01:44:29.439 --> 01:44:32.880
and it was equally compelling as his
and every way world champion. And it's

1373
01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:36.800
sort of a you know, a
working trunks and boots, heel and some

1374
01:44:36.920 --> 01:44:40.399
places baby face throughout the seventies.
Just look at him in all Japan.

1375
01:44:40.439 --> 01:44:44.159
I mean, the versatility is there, but the lessons are what carry yes

1376
01:44:44.680 --> 01:44:46.800
and bread is a makes a lot
of sense that Brett had great emiration for

1377
01:44:46.920 --> 01:44:50.840
Terry of course worked his final show
or so it was a spoken about in

1378
01:44:50.880 --> 01:44:55.640
nineteen ninety seven and Amriilla against him, despite being WWF champion, went to

1379
01:44:56.119 --> 01:44:58.720
Terry's hometown and wanted to do the
honors for him. Makes a lot of

1380
01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:01.960
sense to me, But just watching
Brett in this context was so wild to

1381
01:45:02.039 --> 01:45:04.520
me because this isn't a pay per
view where everyone's trying their best, and

1382
01:45:04.760 --> 01:45:09.840
Brett's match, while excellent, doesn't
necessarily stand heads and shoulders, but everybody

1383
01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:12.840
else because everybody's trying. This is
a show where he's the only one trying

1384
01:45:12.920 --> 01:45:15.920
in Bam Bam, yep. Everybody
else is working it like you would a

1385
01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:17.399
house show. Preserve yourself, do
some spots to get a rise out of

1386
01:45:17.399 --> 01:45:19.840
the crowd that you know we're safe
spots for the most part. Don't get

1387
01:45:19.920 --> 01:45:24.239
hurt. You don't have a lot
of time. The finish is pretty clear.

1388
01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:27.760
You're not working it like anybody's actually
going to see this beyond the audience

1389
01:45:28.039 --> 01:45:31.039
right in this limited geography or in
this building. But when Brett goes out

1390
01:45:31.079 --> 01:45:34.319
there with Bam Bam, it's like, no, this was like a whole

1391
01:45:35.159 --> 01:45:39.520
level above the work everybody else did
in the show. And this is what

1392
01:45:39.680 --> 01:45:42.720
Bretdheart was to the WWF in this
point in time. You didn't always see

1393
01:45:42.720 --> 01:45:45.119
it, you didn't see it every
week on television. No, but you

1394
01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:47.840
saw it show in and show out
on the road. He could do this

1395
01:45:48.199 --> 01:45:51.199
and not break his body down to
where he wouldn't turn around and keep going.

1396
01:45:53.039 --> 01:45:55.960
He did. I mean, we
just read the schedule from russele Mainia

1397
01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:58.760
nine. He gets right back on
the horse. He's still the guy.

1398
01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:02.640
He's still the one going out there
and doing the standout performances on every show

1399
01:46:02.720 --> 01:46:06.319
he's on, whether the cameras or
there or not, whether ten thousand or

1400
01:46:06.359 --> 01:46:10.319
two thousand, et cetera, et
cetera. And this is actually a rare

1401
01:46:10.399 --> 01:46:15.680
chance to see it in a televised, well shot, well setting because it's

1402
01:46:15.760 --> 01:46:18.159
this unique dynamic where you're you're doing
a television show, but no one's really

1403
01:46:18.199 --> 01:46:21.920
treating it like that. But you
can see, like the responsibility Brett Hart

1404
01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:26.319
thought he carried being in the main
event of any show comes on really And

1405
01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:27.920
I don't know, I don't know
if you do you agree, Like the

1406
01:46:27.960 --> 01:46:30.279
Brett Bigelow match just seems like it's
from another planet compared to the other stuff

1407
01:46:30.279 --> 01:46:33.239
on the show. So, without
a doubt, without a doubt, he

1408
01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:36.199
is just flying a different flag back
then, and it took a while for

1409
01:46:36.279 --> 01:46:40.439
everyone to appreciate it. I think. But here we are, all these

1410
01:46:41.439 --> 01:46:44.399
these years later, and even you
know, his his stunt, his staunchest

1411
01:46:44.399 --> 01:46:47.079
detractors have come around as the years
have passed, and you know, people

1412
01:46:47.199 --> 01:46:51.039
kind of let go of the Montreal
thing, coloring what they feel about Brett

1413
01:46:51.079 --> 01:46:55.920
Hart and Vince moving on. So
they're being not so much of a barrier,

1414
01:46:56.359 --> 01:47:01.000
not so much of an awkward attention
about acknowledge Brett's contributions. Mean,

1415
01:47:01.000 --> 01:47:03.600
he's still you know, he's still
a saucy motherfucker. We love him for

1416
01:47:03.680 --> 01:47:09.119
it, you know, I love
that Brett has decided that certain people he's

1417
01:47:09.159 --> 01:47:13.880
running too in the business, like
Goldberg and Triple H, suck and there's

1418
01:47:13.880 --> 01:47:15.359
no reason to over tend he thinks. Otherwise, he's Brett Hart's as the

1419
01:47:15.359 --> 01:47:18.840
fuck right. You can do whatever
he wants. He doesn't fucking care.

1420
01:47:19.479 --> 01:47:23.680
So as we look to European Rampage
ninety three and Brett versus Bigelow here in

1421
01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:28.600
Milan in April, it's time to
crack open my life, my real life

1422
01:47:28.680 --> 01:47:33.319
rather in the cartoon world of wrestling
hit Man the tomb Mang of Brett Hard,

1423
01:47:33.319 --> 01:47:35.760
and we start boss. If you
could share with the Solar System on

1424
01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:41.960
his very first tour to Italy with
the WWF in nineteen eighty nine. It

1425
01:47:42.039 --> 01:47:48.399
started very early for Brett in this
country, the city specifically. I arrived

1426
01:47:48.439 --> 01:47:53.279
in Milan on my first ww tour
to Italy on April eighth, nineteen eighty

1427
01:47:53.359 --> 01:47:58.560
nine. Do you like to arrive
in Milan, Sir hit Malon? Would

1428
01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:01.800
you like it to ride to arrive
Milan? Or would you like me to

1429
01:48:01.880 --> 01:48:06.640
shoot you in the head? Talk
about the hit Man brother. I was

1430
01:48:06.720 --> 01:48:10.840
exhausted from the long flight when I
walked into the dressing room and ran my

1431
01:48:11.000 --> 01:48:14.840
finger down the lineup posted on the
wall. I was startled to see that

1432
01:48:14.920 --> 01:48:19.800
I'd be wrestling Andre. Being a
technical wrestler, I didn't have a clue

1433
01:48:19.800 --> 01:48:23.960
how to wrestle a giant. I
think Andre must have smelled my fear.

1434
01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:27.640
He laughed and said, don't my
boss, I'll cut him out there.

1435
01:48:29.319 --> 01:48:31.279
I walked out to a nice round
of applause and tore right into Andre.

1436
01:48:32.279 --> 01:48:35.600
I was as surprised as the crowd
was when he fell back and tied himself

1437
01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:39.800
up in the ropes. I hit
him with punches until he told me to

1438
01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:43.600
take off into the ropes, where
I promptly ran into his huge foot.

1439
01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:47.199
I was thrilled to hear the crowd
behind me. At one point as I

1440
01:48:47.239 --> 01:48:53.279
land under the bottom rope, Andrea
put one foot on my That's where it

1441
01:48:53.399 --> 01:48:58.159
ends. Oh sorry, I cut
you off there. Yeah, well the

1442
01:48:58.319 --> 01:49:00.600
rest is it goes into another story
about Bamman Bigelow. Yep, go ahead

1443
01:49:00.600 --> 01:49:05.199
and go into that. This is
this is around that same time where Bigelow

1444
01:49:05.239 --> 01:49:09.560
came in. And of course we
know Bigelow's history with Andre the Giant in

1445
01:49:09.640 --> 01:49:13.680
that period. Definitely some tension there
and Andre beat him up in the garden

1446
01:49:13.840 --> 01:49:15.920
for having too big a head and
all of that. So Brett has a

1447
01:49:16.399 --> 01:49:21.039
has a unique advantage on that situation
on his future opponent here. Then there

1448
01:49:21.119 --> 01:49:25.800
was Scott Bam Bam Bigelow from New
Jersey, who was possibly the best working

1449
01:49:25.960 --> 01:49:30.079
big man in the business. Bam
Bam could dive off the top rope with

1450
01:49:30.159 --> 01:49:35.119
the agility of a cat. He
had a sculpted red beard. Nope,

1451
01:49:35.439 --> 01:49:38.920
nope, never really had much of
a beer. I wasn't really sculpted,

1452
01:49:39.479 --> 01:49:43.520
that emphasized. Not a bred beard
either. He not read at all it

1453
01:49:43.600 --> 01:49:46.800
definitely, I mean he was not
always clean shaven. He often had something

1454
01:49:46.840 --> 01:49:50.399
of a beard, but it was
sculpted. Definitely brown and sculpted is not

1455
01:49:50.600 --> 01:49:56.199
correct, humbering spirit is sculpted.
That emphasized a squared off. Nope,

1456
01:49:56.520 --> 01:50:00.920
nope, no, definitely not a
squared off jaw al at the Yeah,

1457
01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:06.000
definitely definitely a round fat face.
All right. Well, and he says

1458
01:50:06.039 --> 01:50:11.520
this anchoring his big round. I
don't say there's no squared off. He

1459
01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:15.479
doesn't know what he's talking about.
Yeah, not at all, dude.

1460
01:50:15.560 --> 01:50:18.359
That's somehow it works, having fun
with the English language. Basically, yeah,

1461
01:50:18.399 --> 01:50:23.479
it happens a lot in this book. And framing a missing front tooth.

1462
01:50:24.039 --> 01:50:27.960
His bald head was covered with tattoos
of flames. He was still green

1463
01:50:28.039 --> 01:50:31.479
and soon had a lot of That's
how that one ends. So we moved

1464
01:50:31.520 --> 01:50:36.840
now to his recollections of the immediate
aftermath of WrestleMania nine, where, of

1465
01:50:36.920 --> 01:50:43.920
course, bred It agreed to transition
over to Hulk one more time. A

1466
01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:46.159
few minutes later, Hogan came into
my came up to me, excited and

1467
01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:48.479
happy and said, oh, thank
you, brother. I won't forget it.

1468
01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:53.920
I'll be happy to return the favor. I looked my old friend in

1469
01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:57.880
the eye and said, I'm remember
that, Terry. Brother? Of course,

1470
01:51:01.119 --> 01:51:04.960
what do you like? Why would
you say that? Brother? You

1471
01:51:05.039 --> 01:51:11.720
gonna remember that? Dude? I
mean not? What is your dad here?

1472
01:51:12.960 --> 01:51:14.680
Did you talk to your dad about
me? Brother? Why are you

1473
01:51:14.680 --> 01:51:21.119
talking to your dad about me?
Dude? Are you is your mom here?

1474
01:51:21.880 --> 01:51:25.199
When you're saying to return the favor? Is that sarcasms? Brother?

1475
01:51:25.600 --> 01:51:27.840
I mean? Are you talking about
like? Are you fucking with me?

1476
01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:31.680
Are you remember that? Dude?
What do you He goes, do you

1477
01:51:31.840 --> 01:51:35.079
remember talking about? Are you fucking
with me? He can't even finish his

1478
01:51:35.119 --> 01:51:43.399
own thoughts. He interrupts his own
psychosis. I'm gonna turn the favor.

1479
01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:46.279
You tell me what that means.
We're talking since we're talking about I said

1480
01:51:46.319 --> 01:51:49.680
I. I said, we're gonna
talk return the favor? You said,

1481
01:51:49.800 --> 01:51:55.920
I'm going to remember that, Terry? So what are you Are we playing

1482
01:51:55.920 --> 01:51:59.960
to hide the ball right now?
He said that because I was gonna have

1483
01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:02.960
can say, what what are you
doing with that ball? Bro? Why

1484
01:52:03.000 --> 01:52:05.199
are you going behind the curtain with
that ball? Dude? Why are you

1485
01:52:05.359 --> 01:52:14.039
hiding the ball? What are we
playing framing the picture here? Dude?

1486
01:52:14.079 --> 01:52:16.960
Are we talking? Are we talking
chopping the lettuce? What's going on?

1487
01:52:17.159 --> 01:52:20.000
Bro? And you told me you're
going to return the favorit, dude,

1488
01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:24.319
And the next thing I know,
you're sneaking off into the corner and hiding

1489
01:52:24.359 --> 01:52:30.319
the ball. Dude, What are
you remembering back there? Dude? That's

1490
01:52:30.399 --> 01:52:40.439
funny. I won't forget it.
What are you remembering? Jerry wants to

1491
01:52:40.520 --> 01:52:47.600
know what you're remembering over there.
As for Yoko, I was always a

1492
01:52:47.640 --> 01:52:50.640
little pissed off at him for going
home on me and not letting me show

1493
01:52:50.720 --> 01:52:54.840
Vince Hogan and everyone else that we
could tear the house down without that,

1494
01:52:55.079 --> 01:52:58.960
without their bullshit finish. Even so, it was the best match that Yoko

1495
01:52:59.039 --> 01:53:01.840
ever had. I understand, Like, how is it his fault? His

1496
01:53:01.960 --> 01:53:06.520
fault? That what I mean?
He's saying, he's blaming it on Yokozuna,

1497
01:53:09.079 --> 01:53:11.279
he says, I ask for Yoka. I was always a little pissed

1498
01:53:11.279 --> 01:53:13.960
off at him for going home on
me and not letting me show Vince Hogan

1499
01:53:13.960 --> 01:53:15.880
and everyone else that we could tear
the house down without their bullshit finished.

1500
01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:18.640
I don't understand. Well his claim, yeah, I left it out,

1501
01:53:18.680 --> 01:53:21.920
But his claim is that the match
with Yoko at nine was supposed to go

1502
01:53:23.079 --> 01:53:27.640
like fifteen minutes, more than it
did before oh really yeah, before the

1503
01:53:27.680 --> 01:53:30.239
whole Hogan schmas happened. So he's
saying like he had a great match planned

1504
01:53:30.239 --> 01:53:33.960
out where he would really show that, like he could be of a high

1505
01:53:34.000 --> 01:53:38.920
caliber main event working an opponent of
that size, and that Yoko just said,

1506
01:53:38.920 --> 01:53:41.640
fuck this, let's let's wrap it
up now, and Brett was hard

1507
01:53:41.680 --> 01:53:45.600
pressed to do anything about it because
if Yoko's going home, everyone's going home,

1508
01:53:45.640 --> 01:53:48.199
I guess. But so that's the
Yoko we see here too, just

1509
01:53:48.279 --> 01:53:54.479
weeks later, just like throwing in
the towel. I mean, but the

1510
01:53:54.640 --> 01:54:00.199
show. This is what I don't
understand. The show didn't go I mean,

1511
01:54:00.319 --> 01:54:02.880
i'm i'm I just pull up the
video of it at the show goes

1512
01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:09.000
the time that, yeah, they
weren't fifteen minutes. Literally, I don't

1513
01:54:09.000 --> 01:54:12.680
know exactly how much about it,
but still like it's going two forty three,

1514
01:54:12.720 --> 01:54:15.039
which was the average time of a
W pay per view at the time.

1515
01:54:15.199 --> 01:54:19.079
They would always go about like between
two forty and like two forty five.

1516
01:54:19.680 --> 01:54:26.000
Yeah, maybe it's another Brett hart
Uh fabrication, but his claim is

1517
01:54:26.039 --> 01:54:28.439
that he had stuff in that match
that he thought would have been awesome that

1518
01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:34.560
Yoko cut off that's just so bizarre. I mean, yeah, like the

1519
01:54:35.079 --> 01:54:41.079
King of the Ring two forty two. I'm looking me. Look here,

1520
01:54:41.119 --> 01:54:46.279
I'm just going through the SummerSlam two
forty seven. You know they're all the

1521
01:54:46.359 --> 01:54:54.119
same fucking length. I'm very confused
two forty seven Survivors Series two thirty seven

1522
01:54:54.399 --> 01:54:58.279
Royal Rumble, Like this is smack
in the middle of the average time length

1523
01:54:59.039 --> 01:55:00.199
of a pay per view, So
I don't know what the fuck he's talking

1524
01:55:00.239 --> 01:55:17.880
about, but whatever, whatever,
this is funny. The title of this

1525
01:55:18.000 --> 01:55:24.000
chapter that I'm about to read is
fucking hilarious. Brother, you don't know

1526
01:55:24.119 --> 01:55:34.359
the whole story. Dateline Barcelona,
This tour Barcelona April twenty fourth, so

1527
01:55:34.479 --> 01:55:40.720
the day before, Yeah, yes, I believe so, April twenty fourth,

1528
01:55:40.800 --> 01:55:46.680
nineteen ninety three. One man's sunset
is another man's dawn. The past

1529
01:55:46.720 --> 01:55:51.079
ten days touring Europe had been a
boost to my pained, empty heart.

1530
01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:56.560
I sat on a balcony outside my
hotel window, seven floors up, listening

1531
01:55:56.640 --> 01:56:01.199
to my walkman and looking out over
rooftops, spires, and steeples as a

1532
01:56:02.319 --> 01:56:09.479
huge red sun drifted below the horizon. I'd come to know the distinctive smells

1533
01:56:09.520 --> 01:56:14.560
of many cities, and as I
inhaled deeply, I decided that Barcelonas could

1534
01:56:14.600 --> 01:56:24.720
be called Mediterranean milonge. Okay,
Brett, tell me less. I've been

1535
01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:27.720
working hard with Bam Bam, and
I was content knowing that our match that

1536
01:56:27.840 --> 01:56:32.600
aired live across all of Spain that
night had been excellent. The Barcelona twilight

1537
01:56:32.680 --> 01:56:36.800
melted into night until the only glow
in the sky was from a silver crescent

1538
01:56:36.920 --> 01:56:43.199
moon and a few twinkling stars.
My mind drifted to a hazy memory of

1539
01:56:43.239 --> 01:56:46.079
Brussels the first night, the first
night of the tour, standing drunk on

1540
01:56:46.159 --> 01:56:50.840
a corner with Bambam at four in
the morning, listened to some street musicians

1541
01:56:53.039 --> 01:56:55.560
from Brussels. We went to London
when I reeled up where I realized,

1542
01:56:55.560 --> 01:56:59.319
by the size of the crowd waiting
for me at the airport that losing the

1543
01:56:59.359 --> 01:57:03.600
belt I hadn't swayed my faithful fans
one bit. I was more over than

1544
01:57:03.640 --> 01:57:11.039
before. I laughed to myself as
I remember doing a morning talk show in

1545
01:57:11.079 --> 01:57:14.479
London where I was supposed to promote
a new w W album featuring a sappy

1546
01:57:14.600 --> 01:57:17.359
song I recorded months earlier, as
horrible as it was, with a little

1547
01:57:17.399 --> 01:57:24.319
production magic and miraculous, miraculously reached
number four on the UK Music charts.

1548
01:57:25.319 --> 01:57:29.159
Talk About a one hit Wonder.
A stuffy older man and woman hosted the

1549
01:57:29.239 --> 01:57:31.720
talk show, and they had no
clue who I was. They seemed skeptical

1550
01:57:32.079 --> 01:57:36.560
when I told them that more than
eighty thousand fans had filmed Wembley Stadium to

1551
01:57:36.560 --> 01:57:45.119
see us the previous Stummer. Step
Dane Jordan skep me, So don't take

1552
01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:47.359
I don't, you know, give
a take? You know what forty to

1553
01:57:47.359 --> 01:57:51.399
fifty sixty thousand people is that?
You know? I don't. I'm not

1554
01:57:51.560 --> 01:57:56.479
trying to I'm not trying to say
you don't make money in doing what you

1555
01:57:56.560 --> 01:58:01.159
do. But I've been calling for
me is it? Yeah, what you

1556
01:58:01.279 --> 01:58:09.239
do is not Here's what's always held
me up on. I'd love for for

1557
01:58:09.319 --> 01:58:12.000
you to speak to this, if
you could. How are we to think

1558
01:58:12.039 --> 01:58:16.479
about the idea that it's it's not
real, that what you do is not

1559
01:58:16.600 --> 01:58:23.239
actually competition. I mean, it's
all it's you know, I don't I'm

1560
01:58:23.279 --> 01:58:26.640
not saying this to be rude in
any way, but it's all faked,

1561
01:58:26.760 --> 01:58:30.279
right, It's all scripted, you
know, like you know, like you

1562
01:58:30.399 --> 01:58:34.119
sit there and you put on you
know, your body slam your opponent on

1563
01:58:34.479 --> 01:58:40.000
padded paper. Right, It's like
a trampoline, is it not? You

1564
01:58:40.079 --> 01:58:43.279
know, it's like it's like jumping
up and down on your bed. You

1565
01:58:43.359 --> 01:58:45.680
know, I could, I could
pick you up and drop you on my

1566
01:58:45.720 --> 01:58:48.039
bed and it's not gonna hurt.
So I imagine that's what that's what it

1567
01:58:48.199 --> 01:58:53.840
is, right, you know,
But do you all you know the little

1568
01:58:54.079 --> 01:58:58.359
phony baloney? And I assure you
that I've heard the line of you know

1569
01:58:59.159 --> 01:59:02.359
this idea that you we it's not
fake. We we, in fact,

1570
01:59:02.439 --> 01:59:06.359
do very much get hurt. And
I hear that, however, the you

1571
01:59:06.479 --> 01:59:11.279
don't get hurt, And that's that's
I guess. I guess the thing about

1572
01:59:11.319 --> 01:59:14.359
it is that that's all a lie
to tell the fans, right you say

1573
01:59:14.399 --> 01:59:15.920
that, oh no, you know, Oh it's entertainment, you know.

1574
01:59:16.079 --> 01:59:19.800
But you know, we we we
really do hurt ourselves, but you don't.

1575
01:59:20.079 --> 01:59:24.399
And I mean that's just the way
that it all is. And we

1576
01:59:24.520 --> 01:59:32.239
accept that. You know that you're
putting on a formulaic, choreographed, you

1577
01:59:32.359 --> 01:59:38.560
know, farce of sorts. It
sits there and takes this while he's supposed

1578
01:59:38.560 --> 01:59:42.399
to be promoting the upcoming tour.
He just sits there and takes it because

1579
01:59:42.439 --> 01:59:46.119
he's got to be on TV to
promote the show and he is in the

1580
01:59:46.239 --> 01:59:54.159
crosshairs. I mean, this fucking
morning, Telly douchebag. I mean,

1581
01:59:54.279 --> 02:00:00.399
Brett, doesn't it kind of wear
it your you know? You like,

1582
02:00:00.560 --> 02:00:05.199
do you have pride in yourself?
Do you just kind of let go of

1583
02:00:05.319 --> 02:00:12.640
that because what you do is such
horseshit embarrassment. Thanks for time, Brett.

1584
02:00:12.680 --> 02:00:15.159
Speaking of what's coming up next,
the man with Britain's largest penis comes

1585
02:00:15.199 --> 02:00:18.319
on to talk about how that greats
difficulties for him in his life. It's

1586
02:00:18.359 --> 02:00:23.079
not the pleasure. Let me tell
you, I've never seen a cock that

1587
02:00:23.239 --> 02:00:29.600
big before we'll come back. I
have a big, fat cock in my

1588
02:00:29.720 --> 02:00:35.399
face and it won't make it a
number one. I'll tell you that,

1589
02:00:36.760 --> 02:00:44.760
Brett. Thank you for being here. They scheme skeptical when I told them

1590
02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:46.760
that more than eighty thousand wrestling fans
had filled Wembley Stadium to see us the

1591
02:00:46.800 --> 02:00:51.920
previous summer. They droned on about
where they're wrestling was really a sport at

1592
02:00:51.960 --> 02:00:56.760
all. I assure you I did
not know. I know. Do you

1593
02:00:56.840 --> 02:01:00.600
do you consider it to be a
sport. Really. I know that people

1594
02:01:00.720 --> 02:01:04.399
call it a sport, but it's
not really because I mean, a sport

1595
02:01:04.520 --> 02:01:11.119
implies that you don't know who's going
to win. You know, it's it's

1596
02:01:11.239 --> 02:01:16.920
it's real athleticism. What you do
is it's it's like a it's like a

1597
02:01:17.119 --> 02:01:24.920
fake gymnastics of sorts. My wrong
in saying, oh, you're correct in

1598
02:01:25.039 --> 02:01:29.800
saying it's like a fake gymnastics of
sorts. No, in fact, you

1599
02:01:29.840 --> 02:01:35.039
could be more correct about that.
I just don't I don't understand how you

1600
02:01:35.159 --> 02:01:40.600
can be proud of yourself, you
know, Like I mean, listen,

1601
02:01:40.680 --> 02:01:45.000
everyone needs a job. I understand
that everyone needs to work, but what

1602
02:01:45.159 --> 02:01:48.880
you do is disgraceful. Wow.
I can hear his voice start to turn

1603
02:01:48.920 --> 02:01:54.720
into a thick Brooklyn accent. Now
we've got let's tell you what. We've

1604
02:01:54.720 --> 02:02:00.560
got a caller, believe it or
not, from from the United States calling.

1605
02:02:00.560 --> 02:02:04.920
He apparently he works for a newspaper. He somehow knows which newspaper,

1606
02:02:05.039 --> 02:02:09.439
but he knows he's somehow aware that
you are on our show. And then

1607
02:02:09.439 --> 02:02:13.399
we're talking about you know, this
is if it's you know, eight in

1608
02:02:13.479 --> 02:02:17.880
the morning in the UK time,
we're talking it's it's going to be what

1609
02:02:18.359 --> 02:02:21.760
two in the morning over in the
over in the States? Is that right?

1610
02:02:23.680 --> 02:02:26.560
Two in the morning, two in
the morning over in the States.

1611
02:02:26.600 --> 02:02:30.800
So he's up very early now,
sir, can you can you tell me

1612
02:02:30.920 --> 02:02:34.800
exactly what it is? You know
what what you're calling about? What do

1613
02:02:34.880 --> 02:02:42.560
we owe the pleasure? This fucking
guy here is a fucking fraud. I'm

1614
02:02:42.680 --> 02:02:45.239
glad. I want to tell you
right now, I am proud. I

1615
02:02:45.399 --> 02:02:51.119
am proud of my British kuthin for
fucking calling out this piece of shit.

1616
02:02:51.279 --> 02:02:57.560
Yep, pret heart is a falsity. They show his face. Well while

1617
02:02:57.600 --> 02:03:00.640
the guy's saying this, Brett tight
shower of Brett's face. Brett, you

1618
02:03:00.840 --> 02:03:04.720
know it. You know what you
are. You know you're a fucking fraud.

1619
02:03:05.119 --> 02:03:09.680
You know you're a bitch. You
know you're an asshole. You know

1620
02:03:10.079 --> 02:03:15.399
that you lie for a living and
that you you make money off of the

1621
02:03:15.640 --> 02:03:20.479
lies, off of the deceit that
you put on. The general public of

1622
02:03:21.000 --> 02:03:27.880
the world calls in and says,
Brett, you know you're a bitch.

1623
02:03:30.119 --> 02:03:32.920
Brett, he called you. He
said that. Not only did he call

1624
02:03:32.960 --> 02:03:39.000
you this, but he says,
you know you are a bitch, What

1625
02:03:39.159 --> 02:03:44.479
is you to say about that?
Well? Uh, I am well and

1626
02:03:44.560 --> 02:03:47.680
that's all we get from Brett Hart
will be back in a moment with Cox

1627
02:03:47.760 --> 02:03:59.119
and vaginas beyond back in a moment
with Cox and Vaginas. It just shows

1628
02:03:59.159 --> 02:04:06.479
like a train go into a tunnel. Morning talk, you know, a

1629
02:04:06.600 --> 02:04:11.640
unique breed. But we'll do it
with sweaters, collars under the sweaters and

1630
02:04:11.800 --> 02:04:14.520
that'll make it, you know,
a little bit a little more refined.

1631
02:04:15.680 --> 02:04:20.439
There's nothing, there's nothing a dresser. We'll saying with a you know,

1632
02:04:20.560 --> 02:04:27.479
open collared you know, a dress
shirt with the with the sweater vesta or

1633
02:04:27.520 --> 02:04:30.159
sweater over over toll and that will
be and that will be you know,

1634
02:04:30.359 --> 02:04:34.399
it makes it seem you know,
professional but casual the same time, so

1635
02:04:34.560 --> 02:04:45.359
we can talk about things like sex
and and and anal fornication, anal fornication

1636
02:04:45.560 --> 02:04:49.880
with a with a cashmere sweater on
marino wool sweater on. In June,

1637
02:04:50.399 --> 02:04:54.479
I mean I was at I'll tell
you what I was out last night.

1638
02:04:55.159 --> 02:04:57.640
And you know I don't usually go
out there in the in the in the

1639
02:04:57.760 --> 02:05:00.840
evenings before we have to, you
know, with the appear pretty early in

1640
02:05:00.880 --> 02:05:02.760
the morning to come to work.
And I'll tell you, but I went

1641
02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:06.399
out and I'll tell you something.
I had, without without a doubt,

1642
02:05:08.000 --> 02:05:16.680
the greatest anal sex of my life, just fucking amazing. I began to

1643
02:05:18.199 --> 02:05:21.159
at a certain stage, I begin
to feel as if I was blossoming.

1644
02:05:25.279 --> 02:05:30.520
I'm I tell you that that what
we that this, this this young lady

1645
02:05:30.319 --> 02:05:36.479
had without a doubt, the smoothest
anal pal Come on. There's a certain

1646
02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:42.680
acceptance that happens at a certain stage, right, there comes a moment.

1647
02:05:42.720 --> 02:05:45.920
You know, at first, you
know that the ainus does not want the

1648
02:05:45.039 --> 02:05:49.479
penetration to happen. It's like,
it's no, this is the wrong hole.

1649
02:05:50.039 --> 02:05:53.039
You know, people at home you
understand that. You know, you

1650
02:05:54.600 --> 02:05:57.720
know, it's like sticking a square
peg in a round hole. You know,

1651
02:05:58.119 --> 02:06:00.720
not that I got a square cock. I'm not saying that. I'm

1652
02:06:00.760 --> 02:06:05.039
not saying I guess you know,
a regular round you know, injector if

1653
02:06:05.119 --> 02:06:10.000
you will, and and and so
you know. But but at one point,

1654
02:06:10.640 --> 02:06:15.640
there comes a moment where the would
the aim is just accepts that something

1655
02:06:15.760 --> 02:06:19.800
is coming in rather than going out
and it just I'll tell you, you

1656
02:06:19.880 --> 02:06:26.880
know, I have had anal sex
with a multitude of partners, this one

1657
02:06:28.000 --> 02:06:31.560
just slid in like she'd grease the
motherfucker. We have to go to a

1658
02:06:31.640 --> 02:06:34.680
break, Brett, thanks for being
here. By the way, he's sitting

1659
02:06:34.680 --> 02:06:43.159
there horrified for this guy goes into
exacting detail. So how's my how's that,

1660
02:06:43.279 --> 02:06:45.279
Brad? How are you doing?
How's my champion? So tell me

1661
02:06:45.359 --> 02:06:48.399
more about that. I heard about
the thing this morning I was watching in

1662
02:06:48.439 --> 02:06:58.279
the hotel. Did did he say
anything else about that? Ah? I

1663
02:06:58.399 --> 02:07:03.319
guess not. Please continue for the
fans. I admit to being tired and

1664
02:07:03.399 --> 02:07:09.039
cranky, and I was even less
amused when some pear shaped bloke in a

1665
02:07:09.199 --> 02:07:13.199
red devil outfit join us on the
set and kept poking me in the stomach

1666
02:07:13.319 --> 02:07:18.199
with a cheesy plastic pitchfork. I
did my best to respond to their uninformed

1667
02:07:18.319 --> 02:07:25.239
questions. During a short commercial break, I jerked his plastic pitchfork and told

1668
02:07:25.279 --> 02:07:27.720
the startled devil that if he poked
me one more time, I'd shove the

1669
02:07:27.760 --> 02:07:32.600
pitchfork up his ass. The most
interesting part of our tour had been Belfast,

1670
02:07:33.039 --> 02:07:41.359
where the dreary sheets looked tired streets
sheets. I mean, Jesus,

1671
02:07:42.960 --> 02:07:50.479
it's gas station food, Brad,
I mean where the dreary streets looked tired

1672
02:07:50.560 --> 02:07:56.960
and downtrodden. British soldiers with machine
guns stationed on many corners. We'd stayed

1673
02:07:57.000 --> 02:08:01.039
at the Europa, whose claim to
fame is that it's the most bombed hotel

1674
02:08:01.159 --> 02:08:05.479
in the world. Why did Rick
Flair stay there every time? What's that?

1675
02:08:07.760 --> 02:08:11.760
Was Rick Flair stay there every time? Good thing? This wasn't a

1676
02:08:11.840 --> 02:08:16.720
bomb all right? As I checked
in, I was approached by a timid

1677
02:08:16.840 --> 02:08:20.479
taxi driver who mentioned that his two
boys were my biggest fans. He offered

1678
02:08:20.520 --> 02:08:24.800
to give me a free tour of
the real Belfast. Soon we were driving

1679
02:08:24.880 --> 02:08:30.119
past political murals. As he showed
me various bombed out sides, we talked

1680
02:08:30.199 --> 02:08:35.760
some. His name was Sean.
Really, he's talking to a guy named

1681
02:08:35.800 --> 02:08:41.520
Sean in a car all by himself. That's that's trouble, isn't it.

1682
02:08:41.840 --> 02:08:48.199
Why his name is Sean? So
Sewan? He was thirty four, but

1683
02:08:48.279 --> 02:08:52.119
he looked ten years older. We
passed the cemetery were only a few months

1684
02:08:52.159 --> 02:08:58.239
before at an Ira funeral, mourners
attacked and brutally killed some spying Ulster loyalists

1685
02:08:58.319 --> 02:09:03.399
who were in the wrong place at
the wrong time. Whyt the Inflation Reduction

1686
02:09:03.520 --> 02:09:05.319
Act, have a funeral before Trump
gets re elected. I don't get it.

1687
02:09:13.319 --> 02:09:18.720
Sean gave me an Irish Catholic history
of Belfast and drove me to killer

1688
02:09:18.279 --> 02:09:22.920
triangle streets, which he explained were
intersections where kills could be made from three

1689
02:09:22.960 --> 02:09:28.319
different angles and where people were randomly
murdered all the time in the crossfire.

1690
02:09:28.399 --> 02:09:30.479
You get to give Bret credit for
this. He does get out and about

1691
02:09:30.479 --> 02:09:35.079
when he's in the you know stories. Most of these guys just hang out

1692
02:09:35.079 --> 02:09:37.319
of the hotel and look for the
gym and act like douchebags, right,

1693
02:09:37.359 --> 02:09:41.239
and they just want to eat American
food. Oh god, it gave me

1694
02:09:41.359 --> 02:09:48.800
pause when he said it's not bad, nothing like America. When he was

1695
02:09:48.880 --> 02:09:52.640
showing me the h block, we
got pulled over by an Ulster special police

1696
02:09:52.680 --> 02:09:56.479
officer and Sean broke into a sweat. He hurriedly filled me in that this

1697
02:09:56.640 --> 02:10:00.800
officer, whom he'd seen many times
before, was nicknamed Lurch by Catholics such

1698
02:10:00.800 --> 02:10:03.479
as him, and had killed many
of them. Lurch, who was about

1699
02:10:03.520 --> 02:10:09.000
six foot five and dressed in an
all black uniform that reminded me of an

1700
02:10:09.159 --> 02:10:15.279
SS stormtrooper, approached the taxi suspiciously
machine gun in hand. It was a

1701
02:10:15.319 --> 02:10:18.439
tense few minutes as Lurch questioned us. I handed over my passport while Sean

1702
02:10:18.520 --> 02:10:22.680
explained while Lurch ran a check on
us. A terrified Sean confessed to me

1703
02:10:22.760 --> 02:10:28.399
that he had a criminal record for
gun running and that he'd done two years

1704
02:10:28.439 --> 02:10:33.359
in the H block himself, where
there'd worked him over pretty good. He

1705
02:10:33.479 --> 02:10:37.640
was in and around the same time
that Bobby Sands died while on a hunger

1706
02:10:37.720 --> 02:10:41.520
strike. But after a very long
ten minutes, Lurch let us go.

1707
02:10:41.119 --> 02:10:45.720
Sean invited me for tea at his
house. While we sipped from our cups,

1708
02:10:45.760 --> 02:10:48.880
his wife told me that one of
the hunger strikers lived two doors down,

1709
02:10:48.199 --> 02:10:52.840
and she explained how the death of
Bobby Sands eventually led the way for

1710
02:10:52.960 --> 02:10:58.039
some positive change in the Catholic cause. IRA prisoners were now treated now to

1711
02:10:58.119 --> 02:11:03.520
be treated as POWs rather than common
criminals. Meanwhile, Sean pulled his young

1712
02:11:03.600 --> 02:11:07.199
boys out of the school across the
street. They were shaking with excitement to

1713
02:11:07.279 --> 02:11:11.319
meet me. They showed me their
room, where magazine pictures of me were

1714
02:11:11.359 --> 02:11:15.560
plastered all over their walls. They
also told me not to worry because I

1715
02:11:15.800 --> 02:11:22.119
was better than hul Cogan. Wow, brother, what wow? I'm sure

1716
02:11:22.159 --> 02:11:24.640
they said that, by the way, and I'd win the title back in

1717
02:11:24.720 --> 02:11:28.800
no time for this exclamation point.
That night, at the show in Belfast,

1718
02:11:28.880 --> 02:11:33.359
a mixed audience of Catholics and Protestants
were content to let out their aggressions

1719
02:11:33.439 --> 02:11:37.279
watching wrestling. Many hugged me and
held tightly onto my hands as I walked

1720
02:11:37.319 --> 02:11:39.960
around the ring. After my match, Sean gave me a decorated and varnished

1721
02:11:41.880 --> 02:11:48.399
hurling stick to take home with me
to Canada. A hurling stick? What

1722
02:11:50.000 --> 02:11:52.359
is that? No clue? All
right? I thought it was nice of

1723
02:11:52.439 --> 02:11:54.800
him to do something like that,
since money didn't come easy for him.

1724
02:11:56.239 --> 02:11:58.840
On the drive to Dublin, I
found the Emerald Island I'd hoped for,

1725
02:12:00.199 --> 02:12:05.399
dotted with quaint moss covered cottages and
farms with sheep grazing and rolling pastures.

1726
02:12:05.520 --> 02:12:11.439
A wooden stick used in the Irish
sports of hurdling and camoji. Oh okay,

1727
02:12:11.600 --> 02:12:15.600
so there you go, there we
go. At the show, I

1728
02:12:15.760 --> 02:12:20.159
was amazed to find an even more
adoring crowd who wrapped me in Irish flags

1729
02:12:20.199 --> 02:12:22.960
after my match with Bambam. They
seemed to regard me almost as a son

1730
02:12:24.279 --> 02:12:28.479
who'd come home. Few people could
imagine the life I lived. I'd come

1731
02:12:28.600 --> 02:12:31.880
to feel like an explorer who traveled
to far and distant lands and was loved

1732
02:12:31.920 --> 02:12:37.359
by the people he encountered. I
would never forget this breathtaking, spectacular,

1733
02:12:37.520 --> 02:12:43.560
surreal time in my life. Excellent, so Brett, reflecting on some of

1734
02:12:43.560 --> 02:12:46.960
the highlights of this particular European tour, as perhaps epitomized by the show in

1735
02:12:48.039 --> 02:12:50.520
Milan. He would go back in
nineteen ninety four. The next year,

1736
02:12:52.119 --> 02:12:54.960
and in his book he actually reflects
on the Milan stop in particular where he

1737
02:12:54.960 --> 02:12:58.000
wrestled Owen Oh. He remembers after
the match, standing in the middle rope

1738
02:12:58.039 --> 02:13:01.520
in the corner, watch him start
down the aisle, turning back to flip

1739
02:13:01.640 --> 02:13:05.600
me the bird, Owen Heart,
that's funny. I nearly burst out laughing

1740
02:13:05.600 --> 02:13:07.199
as he jammed his thumb under his
armpits and flapped his elbow, shouting,

1741
02:13:07.239 --> 02:13:16.000
you're a check in. My music
blared as young kids pressed in and around

1742
02:13:16.039 --> 02:13:18.119
the barricades, and I high five
hundreds of eager hands. As I made

1743
02:13:18.159 --> 02:13:20.560
my way down the aisle, I
couldn't help but feel as though my hand

1744
02:13:20.600 --> 02:13:24.760
had been touched by angels. The
next day, the bus drove by the

1745
02:13:24.840 --> 02:13:28.640
ruins of the Colisseum in Rome,
where gladiators had once fought, starved and

1746
02:13:28.760 --> 02:13:31.720
tormented lions, tigers, and bears
to the death. As a form of

1747
02:13:31.840 --> 02:13:35.159
entertainment. Near the Colosseum hung color
posters trumpeting the rivalry between Owen and me.

1748
02:13:35.680 --> 02:13:39.680
Whatever it was that we were doing
certainly made more sense than what they

1749
02:13:39.760 --> 02:13:43.000
did back then. Who'd have ever
thought the two heart brothers would battle it

1750
02:13:43.039 --> 02:13:46.479
out in Rome, right across from
the Colisseum. Sometimes it was too much

1751
02:13:46.479 --> 02:13:52.920
for the both of us. Art
went on to marry an Italian woman,

1752
02:13:52.960 --> 02:13:54.279
as I mentioned in two thousand and
four, if you remember in his Hall

1753
02:13:54.279 --> 02:13:58.560
of Fame speech, he shouts her
out, or if you remember that no

1754
02:13:58.119 --> 02:14:01.319
his Italian prince says or something,
he calls her this first thing I thought

1755
02:14:01.359 --> 02:14:07.039
of when the show lent jed.
He recalls in his book that summer of

1756
02:14:07.159 --> 02:14:09.039
two thousand and three, I took
Blade along with me his son on a

1757
02:14:09.079 --> 02:14:13.279
trip to Europe. We toured the
battlefields of Dune and then hit Paris,

1758
02:14:13.760 --> 02:14:16.760
London, and Milan. I let
Blade be my my seeing eye dog,

1759
02:14:16.880 --> 02:14:22.399
because I still had limitations from my
stroke, especially regarding my vision. I

1760
02:14:22.439 --> 02:14:26.079
didn't appearance in Manza, Italy.
The promoters were just kids, but they

1761
02:14:26.119 --> 02:14:28.119
pulled it off nicely. An action
packed, small outdoor show on a beautiful

1762
02:14:28.199 --> 02:14:35.600
night. They hired some American wrestlers
and whatever workers were in Italy, wrapped

1763
02:14:35.640 --> 02:14:37.680
it around a question an answer session
with the hitman, including a full buffet,

1764
02:14:37.800 --> 02:14:41.520
and got a nice turnout. Even
Blade answered a few questions. I

1765
02:14:41.600 --> 02:14:48.520
found myself staring at a beautiful girl
with long, dark hair and piercing blue

1766
02:14:48.560 --> 02:14:50.960
eyes. When she came by for
an autograph. She bent down and kissed

1767
02:14:50.960 --> 02:14:54.439
me on the cheek. As she
handed me a letter. I noticed her

1768
02:14:54.479 --> 02:14:58.399
hand was shaking. I read her
kind letter and asked the promoters to bring

1769
02:14:58.479 --> 02:15:03.600
her to me, and we talked
for more than an hour. I promised

1770
02:15:03.600 --> 02:15:07.520
to stay in touch, and we
swapped email addresses. As I watched her

1771
02:15:07.560 --> 02:15:09.920
walk away, I thought, well, I can dream, can I?

1772
02:15:11.920 --> 02:15:16.960
I was swapping bodily fluids. We
now turned to heart Strings, Oh Boy

1773
02:15:16.119 --> 02:15:20.279
by Julie Hart. Oh. Yes. We spent Easter as a family.

1774
02:15:20.479 --> 02:15:24.840
Bread acted upbeat, but I could
tell that something was wrong. I asked

1775
02:15:24.920 --> 02:15:28.600
him what he wanted. I don't
know anymore, he said slowly. The

1776
02:15:28.680 --> 02:15:31.159
next morning, I was in the
bathroom and glanced over a pile of reading

1777
02:15:31.199 --> 02:15:33.520
material he kept by the toilet.
There were some emails sitting on top.

1778
02:15:33.560 --> 02:15:37.039
He'd been printing them out since the
stroke had made them easier to read.

1779
02:15:37.039 --> 02:15:41.399
I read them now I knew what
was up. I was electrified. I

1780
02:15:41.439 --> 02:15:45.920
couldn't stop reading what this girl had
written. Yes, it was from a

1781
02:15:45.960 --> 02:15:48.760
girl he had met in Italy,
and it was quite suggestive. I read

1782
02:15:48.800 --> 02:15:52.159
it over to make sure I wasn't
blowing things out of proportion, and then

1783
02:15:52.199 --> 02:15:56.039
got angry at myself for allowing Brett
to use me. I was hesitant to

1784
02:15:56.079 --> 02:15:58.199
confront him about it, because I
knew he would just deny everything. The

1785
02:15:58.239 --> 02:16:01.600
first thing I said to him was, Brett, please don't lie to me

1786
02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:05.479
about what I found something in your
bathroom, and I want the truth.

1787
02:16:05.760 --> 02:16:09.119
I found an email from some girl
in Italy. Are you seeing someone?

1788
02:16:09.720 --> 02:16:13.520
Were they still married? Apparently?
Yes? Wow? I didn't hear,

1789
02:16:13.640 --> 02:16:16.439
I thought to worry. Long divorced
by this time. I don't think they

1790
02:16:16.439 --> 02:16:20.359
efectuated, because Brett said that when
he suffered a stroke riding his bicycle in

1791
02:16:22.000 --> 02:16:26.920
two thousand and two, I think
it was or one that he was actually

1792
02:16:28.119 --> 02:16:31.920
riding to finalized divorce papers and he
was going to spring them on to my

1793
02:16:33.559 --> 02:16:35.520
God. And there's a scene in
her book where they're lying in bed and

1794
02:16:35.600 --> 02:16:41.239
he says like that was a sign
from God or whatever. They're both blessed

1795
02:16:41.239 --> 02:16:46.959
them very melodramatic in their books about
the stuff. Something very melodramatic. I

1796
02:16:46.040 --> 02:16:48.879
felt like a small child about to
be shipped off again. She writes,

1797
02:16:50.239 --> 02:16:52.680
what, No, Brett, please
don't lie. I'm not What do email

1798
02:16:52.719 --> 02:16:58.559
are you talking about? Let me
see it? What are you doing reading

1799
02:16:58.600 --> 02:17:01.879
my personal email? It was in
the bathroom? Are you seeing anyone?

1800
02:17:03.000 --> 02:17:05.239
Why are you doing this again?
I told if I met anyone, I

1801
02:17:05.319 --> 02:17:07.280
would tell you. I told you, if I met anyone, I would

1802
02:17:07.319 --> 02:17:11.360
tell you. I think you're lying, I said, sadly, I'm leaving.

1803
02:17:11.959 --> 02:17:13.879
It's not what you think. I
met these girls. Well. I

1804
02:17:13.959 --> 02:17:16.760
was in Italy was Blade last fall, and we've been emailing harmlessly. I

1805
02:17:16.879 --> 02:17:20.959
told him i'd be back around for
an autograph session. He doesn't talk like

1806
02:17:20.000 --> 02:17:22.479
this, but I got to do
it. And then Bruins in the playoffs,

1807
02:17:22.520 --> 02:17:28.680
so I've got this hearing the Canadian
commentator and they offered to take me

1808
02:17:28.760 --> 02:17:31.280
around and show me some of the
history. I left, saying I needed

1809
02:17:31.319 --> 02:17:35.600
time to think. Once again,
it seemed like Brett was making his escape.

1810
02:17:35.959 --> 02:17:39.079
He called me that night, again, insisting that nothing was going on

1811
02:17:39.479 --> 02:17:41.440
and that I was making a big
deal out of nothing. I fell for

1812
02:17:41.559 --> 02:17:46.200
it. Compared to the phone number
written on hotel stationary i'd found a few

1813
02:17:46.280 --> 02:17:50.079
years ago, it seemed relatively innocent. How was it innocent, Juliet?

1814
02:17:50.639 --> 02:17:56.079
The email described like sex acts or
something. I don't know, Juliet,

1815
02:17:56.159 --> 02:18:00.200
don't listen. They came to me
with the sex acts. I didn't didn't

1816
02:18:00.200 --> 02:18:03.079
say anything back to them. Reciprocates, I didn't. I didn't look they

1817
02:18:03.239 --> 02:18:07.040
send me the nude pictures and the
videos of them. You know I didn't.

1818
02:18:07.920 --> 02:18:13.000
I didn't send them a dick pic
or any videos of me masturbating.

1819
02:18:15.120 --> 02:18:22.079
Right ever, right right? You
can't prove that, can you. Father's

1820
02:18:22.120 --> 02:18:24.280
Day was coming up by all the
same time, a year. Oh my

1821
02:18:24.440 --> 02:18:26.760
god, So I took the kids
shopping for presents. I wanted to make

1822
02:18:26.760 --> 02:18:28.440
it a special day for him because
he was leaving on a promotional tour the

1823
02:18:28.440 --> 02:18:31.680
next day. He said he was
coming to England or Amsterdam. He wasn't

1824
02:18:31.680 --> 02:18:33.079
sure which one yet. We got
him some new clothes for his trip,

1825
02:18:33.120 --> 02:18:37.319
and I picked up his favorite pie, key Lime. That's hilarious. Oh

1826
02:18:37.440 --> 02:18:39.920
my god, like the key Lime
pie. Of course he does. I

1827
02:18:41.000 --> 02:18:43.760
also wrote him a letter telling you
how much I loved him. During his

1828
02:18:43.840 --> 02:18:46.040
Father's Day dinner, Brett kept getting
up and leaving the room to do something

1829
02:18:46.120 --> 02:18:48.440
or call someone. We went to
bed early and tried to have sex.

1830
02:18:48.520 --> 02:18:54.920
But my what a fucking shot going
through life thinking, oh, any day

1831
02:18:54.000 --> 02:18:56.479
my wife's my ex wife's going to
publish a point about how I went limp.

1832
02:18:56.840 --> 02:19:00.639
I thought I couldn't. He couldn't
do it, That's what was wrong.

1833
02:19:01.360 --> 02:19:03.319
He was tired. We were lying
still in the dark, and suddenly

1834
02:19:03.360 --> 02:19:05.639
he said, Jewels, no matter
what happens, I will always love you.

1835
02:19:07.239 --> 02:19:09.879
Oh my god, he's such an
asshole. It sounded like a goodbye.

1836
02:19:09.399 --> 02:19:11.559
The next morning, Brett woke up
early, and you can picture like

1837
02:19:11.600 --> 02:19:15.440
his shaved chest to what he says
that. Yep. Yeah. The next

1838
02:19:15.520 --> 02:19:18.120
morning, Brett woke up early to
do some last minute packing. While I

1839
02:19:18.239 --> 02:19:20.399
waited to drive him to the airport, I was grabbing some of his bags

1840
02:19:20.440 --> 02:19:24.159
to take them to the car when
I noticed his ticket lying on the floor.

1841
02:19:24.600 --> 02:19:28.959
On it, in big black sharpie
was written Italy. I stood frozen

1842
02:19:30.079 --> 02:19:33.040
staring at it. Brett came into
the room and I said, don't lie

1843
02:19:33.120 --> 02:19:35.760
to me. Where are you going? He saw the ticket and lied,

1844
02:19:35.799 --> 02:19:39.799
anyway, I don't know. I
think I start in England. I walked

1845
02:19:39.840 --> 02:19:43.959
out, got into my car.
I sat there with my head on the

1846
02:19:43.000 --> 02:19:46.479
steering wheel. I was going to
drive away when he came out and put

1847
02:19:46.520 --> 02:19:48.399
his stuff in the car. I
decided to drive him to the airport anyway.

1848
02:19:48.680 --> 02:19:50.319
I wanted to get rid of him, to make sure he got on

1849
02:19:50.399 --> 02:19:54.000
the plane. We drove intense silence
until he leaned over touch my arm and

1850
02:19:54.000 --> 02:19:58.639
said, Jewels, Julie, it's
not what you think. I pulled my

1851
02:19:58.799 --> 02:20:01.040
arm away and said his vicious as
I could, don't touch me. Yes.

1852
02:20:01.239 --> 02:20:03.479
We pulled up to the airport.
I screeched to a halt and told

1853
02:20:03.559 --> 02:20:07.239
me to get the fuck out of
my car. I didn't know what to

1854
02:20:07.360 --> 02:20:11.799
do with myself and started smoking like
crazy. Oh my god, Davy are

1855
02:20:11.840 --> 02:20:15.200
you there. When I got home, I immediately told Jada, all,

1856
02:20:15.319 --> 02:20:26.040
oh, oh, so Julie's smoking. It's it time to smoke. Miss,

1857
02:20:26.840 --> 02:20:31.040
this is Hord. This is it, man? Are you smoking the

1858
02:20:31.120 --> 02:20:45.159
crock? Go it to me?
Wow, Julia need a crock, mister

1859
02:20:45.239 --> 02:21:01.719
Bulldog for you? This is it, man, he said, He said,

1860
02:21:03.440 --> 02:21:13.040
I need it. Hoh did I? Bulldog has been as d l

1861
02:21:13.159 --> 02:21:16.040
f X as it gets. Man, this guy just keeps showing up and

1862
02:21:16.120 --> 02:21:22.319
it's organic. It's like there's always
a reason to bring him up. Oh

1863
02:21:22.600 --> 02:21:30.120
my god, everywhere. When I
got home, immediately told Jade all about

1864
02:21:30.120 --> 02:21:33.719
it. It sounds sounding as though
I just it's their daughter, as though

1865
02:21:33.799 --> 02:21:35.520
I had just witnessed some horrific accident
and was still trying to process it.

1866
02:21:35.920 --> 02:21:39.280
Dallas heard and told me to shut
up about it. We're sick of hearing

1867
02:21:39.280 --> 02:21:43.639
about him and you. Dallas page
again to teach them to yoga. By

1868
02:21:43.680 --> 02:21:50.280
that point, I was shocked,
but understood why he reacted like I would.

1869
02:21:50.280 --> 02:21:56.319
Eventually find out that Brett had gone
to meet sins Ziero sins Zetto,

1870
02:21:58.479 --> 02:22:01.879
a woman he had met at an
autograph session. She had shown up with

1871
02:22:01.920 --> 02:22:07.719
the intention of marrying the hit man. She'd been in love with him since

1872
02:22:07.719 --> 02:22:11.799
seeing him wrestle as a little girl. Apparently, her entire bedroom had been

1873
02:22:11.879 --> 02:22:15.479
plastered with posters of Brett, including
pictures of him with the kids. I

1874
02:22:15.680 --> 02:22:18.360
like to think, Boss, that
she's in the audience in this. Indeed,

1875
02:22:18.959 --> 02:22:22.079
I'd like to as well. Let
me get this watching, let me

1876
02:22:22.280 --> 02:22:28.000
watching him and touching herself. Ready, Yes, this girl was everything Brett

1877
02:22:28.120 --> 02:22:35.799
needed to feel like the hit man
again. Yes, steering take devastation direct.

1878
02:22:37.920 --> 02:22:41.879
Yes. When he returned to col
I turned to call. He tried

1879
02:22:41.920 --> 02:22:46.360
to downplay the affair, claiming all
they did was go sightseeing. Oh yeah,

1880
02:22:46.680 --> 02:22:52.959
did you see rolling mountains deep the
deep Covardoue crevasses, and I saw

1881
02:22:54.000 --> 02:23:01.479
the whole of the Pantheon. I
didn't believe. Oh my god. He

1882
02:23:01.639 --> 02:23:03.239
tried to get close to me again. He would reach for my hand when

1883
02:23:03.239 --> 02:23:07.719
he spoke to me and refer to
me as mom and plying with your family

1884
02:23:07.799 --> 02:23:11.600
again. I guess Italy hadn't gone
as he had hoped. Oh brother.

1885
02:23:11.760 --> 02:23:13.520
I told him I needed some space
and went back home to Regina to figure

1886
02:23:13.559 --> 02:23:16.920
things out. A few weeks after
we had moved in, Bread showed to

1887
02:23:16.040 --> 02:23:20.639
my door with a turkey and hit
on me. Remember this chose up with

1888
02:23:20.680 --> 02:23:24.079
the turkey? Oh my god,
yes, I found it amusing and disturbing.

1889
02:23:24.280 --> 02:23:26.799
I asked if Cinzia knew he was
here. He said yes, that

1890
02:23:26.959 --> 02:23:31.959
she didn't have a problem with us
being friendsh I let him in and showed

1891
02:23:31.000 --> 02:23:33.600
him around my new house. We
made small talk, but I tried to

1892
02:23:33.639 --> 02:23:37.239
move things along quickly. My boundaries
were stronger than they had ever been with

1893
02:23:37.360 --> 02:23:41.479
him. He picked up on it
and said he'd better go. I walked

1894
02:23:41.520 --> 02:23:43.399
over to the door. Before I
could open it, he said, Julie,

1895
02:23:46.200 --> 02:23:50.760
I still have strong cravings for you. Oh my god, get the

1896
02:23:50.799 --> 02:23:56.959
shirt. I still have strong cravings
for you. Let that mean whatever it

1897
02:23:56.079 --> 02:24:01.959
means. And it's been really hard. Okay, I have strong cravings for

1898
02:24:01.040 --> 02:24:07.360
you, and it's been really hard
to overcome. Oh my god, God,

1899
02:24:07.600 --> 02:24:11.959
bless wrestling. Write books. That's
all I can say. The dirtiest

1900
02:24:11.000 --> 02:24:16.959
fucking thing I've ever heard my entire
life. Honestly, you know, chocolate

1901
02:24:16.000 --> 02:24:24.920
chip cookie. I gotta get back. I gotta make sense. I'm backed

1902
02:24:24.959 --> 02:24:30.840
up on sure creation. Tell me
no, no, it's got to happen.

1903
02:24:30.920 --> 02:24:33.719
Now, what is it? I
still I still have strong cravings for

1904
02:24:33.840 --> 02:24:37.200
you. I still have strong can
we do it? Valentine's Day line?

1905
02:24:37.760 --> 02:24:46.120
I still have strong cravings for the
Yeah, let that mean whatever whatever you

1906
02:24:46.200 --> 02:24:52.639
want it to mean, you will, I said sympathetically. I hugged him

1907
02:24:52.639 --> 02:24:56.200
and shut the door. Wondering what
that was all about. I called Brett's

1908
02:24:56.200 --> 02:24:58.920
assistant Marcy, who told me that
Cinzia was in Italy. Oh my,

1909
02:25:00.079 --> 02:25:03.399
my god, Julie, she leaves
and on the same day he shows up

1910
02:25:03.440 --> 02:25:07.559
with a turkey looking for sex.
Mm hmmm. Yes, the fact that

1911
02:25:07.639 --> 02:25:11.920
he has a turk is too much. Man, Oh you might like a

1912
02:25:11.040 --> 02:25:16.840
turkey, Oh God, make a
turkey, you know, like the old

1913
02:25:16.920 --> 02:25:20.920
days, like Brett Brett with like
no shirt on, with an oven mint

1914
02:25:22.639 --> 02:25:26.000
Julie. Yeah, yeah, he
right, he had no shirt on,

1915
02:25:26.799 --> 02:25:31.280
oven mitt and then an apron wrapped
around his waist, all right, wearing

1916
02:25:31.399 --> 02:25:39.840
jeans, fucking bread. No,
he's such a thing to observe. Yeah,

1917
02:25:39.959 --> 02:25:43.680
he really is. He's like he's
definitely like a product of the nineties,

1918
02:25:43.719 --> 02:25:48.120
without a doubt like that. That's
that's his that's it, you know,

1919
02:25:50.239 --> 02:25:54.360
right, the the nineties were his
fucking were the best times of life.

1920
02:25:54.360 --> 02:25:56.600
Obviously, they were the best times
of his life. They were,

1921
02:25:58.200 --> 02:26:01.639
you know, like like, why
can't be nineties again? I found out

1922
02:26:01.680 --> 02:26:03.280
about their marriage a few days later. She didn't even know they were married.

1923
02:26:03.799 --> 02:26:07.440
Wow. They had been married for
a while, but Brett had been

1924
02:26:07.479 --> 02:26:11.000
keeping it a secret. He eventually
gathered the kids and told them. Blade

1925
02:26:11.079 --> 02:26:13.680
came home right after slamming the front
door. I recognized the look on his

1926
02:26:13.760 --> 02:26:16.079
face. It was the same one
I had had so many times over the

1927
02:26:16.159 --> 02:26:18.719
years. I asked him what was
wrong, and he couldn't even speak.

1928
02:26:18.799 --> 02:26:22.479
He was so mad. He took
a piece of paper and scribbled, you

1929
02:26:22.600 --> 02:26:24.000
better call Jade. She will tell
you. I said, no, you

1930
02:26:24.159 --> 02:26:28.719
tell me. He blurted out,
Dad married that girl. I felt my

1931
02:26:28.799 --> 02:26:31.840
stomach bottom out and my throat tightened. Oh. Dallas came home and just

1932
02:26:31.879 --> 02:26:35.239
started shaking his head when he saw
me. I said to him, I

1933
02:26:35.280 --> 02:26:37.280
guess you've heard. Huh. I
don't know what to say. Dad is

1934
02:26:37.280 --> 02:26:41.840
a fucking idiot. My god.
Yeah. When he was walking out,

1935
02:26:41.920 --> 02:26:43.799
he just kept saying it. God, he just kept saying, tell your

1936
02:26:43.840 --> 02:26:48.159
mom. Make sure you tell your
mom. My heart was beyond shattered over

1937
02:26:48.239 --> 02:26:52.399
his cruelty. Perhaps the marriage had
been too hasty. That winter, Brett

1938
02:26:52.440 --> 02:26:56.000
called to tell me that Cinsya had
gone home. She was homesick and didn't

1939
02:26:56.120 --> 02:27:00.559
like the cold. He was planning, Oh my god, he was planning

1940
02:27:00.600 --> 02:27:03.040
to split his time between Calgary and
Italy. Hearing that made me want to

1941
02:27:03.120 --> 02:27:07.360
run too. But where home.
I booked a flight and told the kids,

1942
02:27:07.399 --> 02:27:09.399
I was going back to Vagina to
clear my head. Oh my god,

1943
02:27:09.440 --> 02:27:15.520
stop running back to Regina. Breck
keeps running back to Hergina. That's

1944
02:27:15.559 --> 02:27:26.879
true. Bret concludes with some reflections
on this Italian flame that he had Calgary

1945
02:27:26.959 --> 02:27:30.159
flame, if you will. I
was just a kid when I started out.

1946
02:27:30.559 --> 02:27:33.680
I had big dreams and I lived
through them. Twenty three years later,

1947
02:27:33.760 --> 02:27:35.360
I was finally home. Not broke, not broken, but I had

1948
02:27:35.360 --> 02:27:39.239
a lot of scars. I was
called a young lion once, and I'd

1949
02:27:39.280 --> 02:27:41.520
also soared like an eagle. I
feared after Julie and I finally divorced,

1950
02:27:41.520 --> 02:27:45.520
that I'd become a cold, lonely
polar bear, patting his way across the

1951
02:27:45.600 --> 02:27:48.040
Arctic snow, lost and empty.
But in September two thousand and four,

1952
02:27:48.079 --> 02:27:52.719
I married the beautiful Italian girl with
the piercing blue eyes. Cinzia showed me

1953
02:27:52.760 --> 02:27:58.079
her diary from nineteen ninety five,
when she was fourteen. Do you think

1954
02:27:58.120 --> 02:28:01.200
she was a fan of nineteen ninety
three. When she was where she'd written

1955
02:28:01.319 --> 02:28:09.639
for someday she'd marry me, she'd
I mean, I mean I can't.

1956
02:28:11.040 --> 02:28:13.600
She did. But by the time
I'd finished writing this book, we'd called

1957
02:28:13.600 --> 02:28:16.079
it quit, simply because she could
never be so far away from her home

1958
02:28:16.120 --> 02:28:20.200
country and family. After thirty years
of being away from home, I knew

1959
02:28:20.239 --> 02:28:24.280
exactly how she felt. But polar
bears never slowed down. They move ever

1960
02:28:24.399 --> 02:28:35.680
forward, and I've always been a
survivor bright hard mm and Italy mm hmm.

1961
02:28:35.959 --> 02:28:39.760
And if we're getting quintessentially Italian here
on this episode, let's learn quickly

1962
02:28:39.760 --> 02:28:45.040
about Dan Peterson. Shall we oh
yes please? A legend of Italian basketball

1963
02:28:45.079 --> 02:28:50.799
and sports commentating. He fucking went
to high school in Evanston, Illinois.

1964
02:28:50.000 --> 02:28:56.399
Of course, Northwestern University Michigan.
The most Midwestern guy you can imagine is

1965
02:28:56.520 --> 02:29:05.200
calling the action in full Italian because
after coaching in a series of universities in

1966
02:29:05.360 --> 02:29:13.200
basketball in nineteen seventy one, according
to Wikipedia, he went abroad and began

1967
02:29:13.319 --> 02:29:18.719
coaching overseas teams, and from seventy
three to seventy eight he coached Vertus Bologna.

1968
02:29:18.079 --> 02:29:24.120
And do we know what he did
in the fifties. No, because

1969
02:29:24.799 --> 02:29:28.239
he would have been in high school. Looks like no, he was born

1970
02:29:28.319 --> 02:29:31.879
in thirty seventy. He could have
been I'm sorry, sixty two was when

1971
02:29:31.920 --> 02:29:37.079
he was a coach in college at
ten. I wait, wait, was

1972
02:29:37.120 --> 02:29:39.520
he born in thirty seven or twenty
seven? I don't have his date of

1973
02:29:39.559 --> 02:29:43.479
birth right here? Let me see
here thirty six? All right, now,

1974
02:29:43.520 --> 02:29:48.079
this wouldn't have been him. Then
I found an article. I wasn't

1975
02:29:48.120 --> 02:29:54.440
sure, but there is a Dan
Peterson. But I guess he's from New

1976
02:29:54.520 --> 02:30:01.479
York City who's mentioned in this article
that it says. The article is titled

1977
02:30:01.079 --> 02:30:05.719
I won't read it, but I'll
just read you the headline. Wrestling rehearsed

1978
02:30:07.840 --> 02:30:16.760
played by script with announcers mostly helping
to ruin act. Sounds like my kind

1979
02:30:16.760 --> 02:30:26.959
of guy. Seriously, So let's
pull up that article I found, yes

1980
02:30:26.280 --> 02:30:35.399
on mister Peterson as as appearing in
the pages of the Chicago Tribune. Indeed,

1981
02:30:35.680 --> 02:30:41.239
they wrote up nineteen eighty six kind
of a profile piece of who this

1982
02:30:41.360 --> 02:30:46.639
gentleman is. Let's talk about this
Evanston native boss all right in the basketball

1983
02:30:46.719 --> 02:30:50.120
section. Yes, indeed, of
course, little man makes it big in

1984
02:30:50.280 --> 02:30:56.479
Italy. Evanston native a TV sports
idol, Dan Peterson looks unimposing enough to

1985
02:30:56.520 --> 02:31:01.079
disappear into the smalls of crowds,
but that will never happened to him again

1986
02:31:01.360 --> 02:31:07.079
in Italy. On the streets of
this sophisticated city, they didn't name a

1987
02:31:07.120 --> 02:31:11.879
city yet Italy. I mean Milan, But no they do, But that's

1988
02:31:13.040 --> 02:31:16.079
Milan is labeled there, but not
in the body of the text. Here

1989
02:31:16.200 --> 02:31:22.280
so far, on the streets of
this sophisticated city, he is repeatedly hailed

1990
02:31:22.600 --> 02:31:26.639
with wishes of good luck and questions
about basketball. In restaurants, head's turn

1991
02:31:26.719 --> 02:31:31.360
and voices whisper to confirm his presence
in his team's home arena. The crowd

1992
02:31:31.600 --> 02:31:39.520
breaks out in a rhythmic chant of
Pete Errson as soon as it spies him

1993
02:31:39.680 --> 02:31:43.680
walking to the dressing room an hour
before a game. The five foot four

1994
02:31:43.719 --> 02:31:48.959
inch native of Evanston, who was
always too small to play in Italian basketball,

1995
02:31:48.760 --> 02:31:52.600
Why in Italian? Oh no,
no, sorry to play the game,

1996
02:31:52.040 --> 02:31:56.879
has become the biggest man in Italian
basketball. When Peterson turned fifty in

1997
02:31:58.000 --> 02:32:03.159
January, one of Italy's three daily
sports papers, Corrie del Dello Sport,

1998
02:32:03.000 --> 02:32:07.959
gave him what amounted to a full
page birthday card with tributes from the Italian

1999
02:32:09.040 --> 02:32:15.879
basketball community. The newspapers and Italy's
two basketball magazines call him Little Big Dan,

2000
02:32:16.520 --> 02:32:20.200
alluding to both the paradox and his
stature and the link to the American

2001
02:32:20.280 --> 02:32:24.840
West he has manufactured by wearing cowboy
boots and playing country music on his guitar.

2002
02:32:26.600 --> 02:32:31.200
What he has made of himself as
a one man conglomerate whose extensive essence

2003
02:32:31.799 --> 02:32:37.280
was captured perfectly by a drawing in
Italy's weekly super Basket magazine is that for

2004
02:32:37.520 --> 02:32:45.799
the like the supermarkets, the circular
has the discounts two for one on apples

2005
02:32:45.879 --> 02:32:48.760
or whatever. It's like, you
get, yeah, what two for one

2006
02:32:50.040 --> 02:32:54.399
special on cantil open pursoot. Is
that what that sounds good? Actually,

2007
02:32:56.760 --> 02:33:01.079
you know, and uh, you
know. Unfortunately, the you know,

2008
02:33:01.559 --> 02:33:09.239
honey is wholesale price. In Italy, they didn't called wwro Wels. They

2009
02:33:09.280 --> 02:33:20.120
call UFC. Exactly taken tyk in
tyk Inty Sky. In the illustration,

2010
02:33:20.319 --> 02:33:24.840
Peterson was one foot on a basketball
or has one foot in a basketball,

2011
02:33:24.879 --> 02:33:30.799
and is juggling a pen, a
microphone, a book, a clothing manufacturer's

2012
02:33:30.879 --> 02:33:35.799
trademark, and a teapot the objects
referred to his various roles as coach of

2013
02:33:35.040 --> 02:33:41.440
SIEMAC Milan, Italy's top professional team, writer for various papers and magazines,

2014
02:33:43.280 --> 02:33:48.159
TV per oh writer for various papers
and magazine, TV personality, author of

2015
02:33:48.239 --> 02:33:52.200
books on basketball and American folk history
and as opposed to American fake history,

2016
02:33:52.280 --> 02:33:58.920
which is all about professional wrestling,
and spokesman for Sergio Takani's clothing and Lipton

2017
02:33:58.200 --> 02:34:07.840
Tea. I'm the dandy Don Meredith
of Italy Peterson, says one of his

2018
02:34:07.120 --> 02:34:15.440
guy from Evanston and one of his
typically immodest and accurate assessments of his status.

2019
02:34:16.200 --> 02:34:18.840
He has reached such a level of
fame and fortune with an income estimated

2020
02:34:18.879 --> 02:34:24.200
at three hundred and seventy five thousand
dollars a year though relentless hustling and the

2021
02:34:24.319 --> 02:34:28.760
power of through relentless hustling, in
the power of television. For the first

2022
02:34:28.879 --> 02:34:33.040
nine of his thirteen years in Italy, Peterson was merely the highly successful coach

2023
02:34:33.120 --> 02:34:37.879
of teams in Bologna and Milan.
That all changed once he started doing a

2024
02:34:37.000 --> 02:34:43.840
variety of sports shows on two Italian
TV networks. It was like having Hubie

2025
02:34:43.920 --> 02:34:50.719
Brown and Brent Mushburg Mussburger rolled into
one. Peterson says. Also part of

2026
02:34:50.760 --> 02:34:56.520
the package is his being a father
of four whose family lives outside Chattanooga,

2027
02:34:56.600 --> 02:35:01.159
Tennessee. Peterson sees them so rarely
that he learned the births of his two

2028
02:35:01.360 --> 02:35:07.959
youngest children via telegram. Fuck.
His wife, Sue, wants to celebrate

2029
02:35:07.000 --> 02:35:13.840
their upcoming twenty fifth wedding anniversary by
renewing the vows in Italy. Yeah.

2030
02:35:13.920 --> 02:35:18.239
The only thing she insists is the
ceremony being English, so she will know

2031
02:35:18.440 --> 02:35:24.239
what she's getting into. Peterson says
she needed no translation when one week after

2032
02:35:24.280 --> 02:35:30.479
their original ceremony he left for a
summer basketball tournament in Indiana. Right there,

2033
02:35:30.719 --> 02:35:35.079
right then, I knew what was
in store for me, he says.

2034
02:35:37.360 --> 02:35:41.280
I'm sure she's I'm sure he's had
many Cinzia's. Sue Peterson had married

2035
02:35:41.319 --> 02:35:45.600
a man on a fast track,
even if the road would take some unusual

2036
02:35:45.760 --> 02:35:52.319
detours. Between coaching Evanston YMCA teams
and La dolce Vita, he quickly came

2037
02:35:52.360 --> 02:35:56.479
to terms with the sweet, languid
pace of life in Italy, which demands

2038
02:35:56.520 --> 02:36:01.600
an adjustment that most aggressive Americans cannot
make. He still found plenty of ways

2039
02:36:01.680 --> 02:36:05.719
to run the fast break in a
country where, blessedly, time is often

2040
02:36:05.799 --> 02:36:11.719
allowed to stand still. It is
the night before Siemok, the Italian League

2041
02:36:11.799 --> 02:36:15.559
champion in nineteen eighty five and twenty
three to two so far this season,

2042
02:36:15.840 --> 02:36:20.159
would play Sibona of Yugoslavia in a
European Cup game that is the hottest attraction

2043
02:36:20.399 --> 02:36:26.559
of the season in Italy. Peterson
has just finished running a brief practice session,

2044
02:36:26.959 --> 02:36:31.280
calling out instructions to his three American
born players and nine natives, including

2045
02:36:31.399 --> 02:36:41.040
four time Olympian Dino Menigan, Meneghini, Menigan Menigan, Manigo Cabago. I

2046
02:36:41.120 --> 02:36:52.360
think Manigo is probably right, Manigo
Manigu, Manigatti, Manigotty in English Dino

2047
02:36:52.600 --> 02:37:03.239
stuffed Mannagotti in English and Italian.
One hundred fans have come to watch the

2048
02:37:03.319 --> 02:37:09.159
late afternoon practice at Pallolido, the
five thousand seat airplane hangar style building Siemok

2049
02:37:09.319 --> 02:37:15.440
was forced into when the roof on
Milan's bigger indoor arena collapsed under last winter's

2050
02:37:15.479 --> 02:37:20.920
snow. Once practice is over,
Peterson is in a hurry. As usual,

2051
02:37:20.319 --> 02:37:24.000
he jumps into a visitor's car,
one of the few trips he will

2052
02:37:24.040 --> 02:37:26.280
take at anything but a taxi,
and they head out to dinner. It

2053
02:37:26.479 --> 02:37:33.399
is seven thirty pm, so early
to eat by Italian standards, that Peterson

2054
02:37:33.479 --> 02:37:37.639
has to turn on the lights in
the dining room of a favorite restaurant a

2055
02:37:37.719 --> 02:37:41.600
few blocks from his modest Milan apartment. You can't take the Evanston out of

2056
02:37:41.639 --> 02:37:43.719
the boy, not at all,
Not at all. He wants to have

2057
02:37:43.799 --> 02:37:48.399
a glass of milk with dinner as
a face man exactly you know, I

2058
02:37:48.479 --> 02:37:52.840
mean, you know where's his fucking
steak and potatoes? You know he doesn't

2059
02:37:52.879 --> 02:38:01.600
want fucking pasta, meatballs and whatever
mama's fucking gravy over a meal of spaghetti

2060
02:38:01.639 --> 02:38:11.000
with white clam sauce. Brother,
Exactly, we got, I got clam

2061
02:38:11.079 --> 02:38:15.920
sauce, brother Bosmania is See.
I knew he was a real Italian.

2062
02:38:16.719 --> 02:38:20.559
It's so funny that I am a
real American? Was this song? I

2063
02:38:20.760 --> 02:38:31.600
Am a real Italiano with hots iant
oil and hots on that Please on that

2064
02:38:31.719 --> 02:38:37.200
real Italian over a meal of spaghetti
with white clam sauce, grilled soul salad

2065
02:38:37.319 --> 02:38:41.680
and mineral water. Calm down,
Jesus Christ, we need all that detail,

2066
02:38:41.079 --> 02:38:45.760
yes we do. What about the
half caraffe of wine? God,

2067
02:38:45.959 --> 02:38:48.760
I know it's all about food,
but I'm like decrying that I'm not.

2068
02:38:50.559 --> 02:38:52.399
Peterson says he drinks nothing else.
Oh, I guess he doesn't drink.

2069
02:38:52.959 --> 02:38:56.719
I only eat. I only drink
mineral water, and I only eat mineral

2070
02:38:56.799 --> 02:39:01.920
water for that, you know,
sometimes eat I order food at a restaurant,

2071
02:39:01.959 --> 02:39:05.920
but I don't ever eat it.
I just eat the mineral He just

2072
02:39:07.000 --> 02:39:11.920
feels badly, Yeah, feel badly
about you know, I'm enjoying the company

2073
02:39:11.959 --> 02:39:15.360
of others and I'm not ordering any
food, So I just I'm not eating

2074
02:39:15.360 --> 02:39:18.159
any food. So I just ordered
it and I let it sit there and

2075
02:39:18.280 --> 02:39:22.719
go to waste. Pretty fell to
eat the mineral water to the table.

2076
02:39:22.799 --> 02:39:26.440
That takes you know, you know, quality dining so seriously, and the

2077
02:39:26.840 --> 02:39:30.760
proshoot to deparm or whatever. Yeah, right right, and he grabs it

2078
02:39:30.840 --> 02:39:33.120
and he stands up with the waitress
right at the table, and he like

2079
02:39:33.239 --> 02:39:37.079
makes sure she watches as he walks
across the dining room and throws it in

2080
02:39:37.159 --> 02:39:43.319
a garbage cannon. It's fine,
he says, that don't or he sits

2081
02:39:43.319 --> 02:39:46.479
there with it and he you know, and then the way the you know,

2082
02:39:46.600 --> 02:39:50.319
the server goes away and come back, Well, did you not have

2083
02:39:50.639 --> 02:39:54.559
Were your eyes bigger than your stomach? Now, I just don't eat food.

2084
02:39:56.120 --> 02:39:58.040
I only eat mineral mineral water.
You can, oh, do you

2085
02:39:58.120 --> 02:40:01.200
well? Do you do you want
to? Do you want a doggy bag?

2086
02:40:01.399 --> 02:40:03.440
Nope, you can just throw it
away. No, we talked about

2087
02:40:03.440 --> 02:40:05.879
European rampage. You know a lot
of people don't know about the announcer on

2088
02:40:05.959 --> 02:40:11.079
that show, Dan Peterson. Yeah, apparently he eats only mineral water.

2089
02:40:16.479 --> 02:40:20.200
No p fast for me, No, no mind, mineral water. Please,

2090
02:40:20.360 --> 02:40:26.319
thank you. He narrates his life
story almost as if the conversation were

2091
02:40:26.319 --> 02:40:30.440
a TV broadcast. Ah, I
knew I like this guy. The words

2092
02:40:30.479 --> 02:40:35.040
come in staccato bursts that reflect his
immersion in the lyric rhythms of Italian speech.

2093
02:40:35.879 --> 02:40:39.440
It was Jack Burmister, the former
Evanston High School coach, who convinced

2094
02:40:39.479 --> 02:40:43.520
Peterson that being too small to play
would not keep him from coaching. He

2095
02:40:43.639 --> 02:40:46.520
started coaching while still in high school, getting a delusional impression about his ability

2096
02:40:48.120 --> 02:40:54.840
by working with Evanston YMCA teams that
included such exceptional athletes as Dave Tremaine,

2097
02:40:54.920 --> 02:41:00.760
later the most valuable player at Navy, Art Schwarm and Schwarma. Art Schwarma,

2098
02:41:00.799 --> 02:41:07.879
an MVP at Halal Food at Michigan
State, and Jim Purnell, who

2099
02:41:07.920 --> 02:41:11.479
played eight years in the National Football
League, five of them with the Bears.

2100
02:41:16.079 --> 02:41:18.280
You know, when you got talent
like that, you start thinking,

2101
02:41:18.040 --> 02:41:22.920
I'll tell them something and they'll learn
it, and you're right, Peterson says.

2102
02:41:22.200 --> 02:41:28.319
Because they're naturals, you get to
thinking, heck, this is easy.

2103
02:41:30.280 --> 02:41:33.920
It was enough of a stimulation to
get Peterson into the usual track for

2104
02:41:33.120 --> 02:41:39.200
US coaches. With a Northwestern undergraduate
degree in education and a Michigan master's in

2105
02:41:39.280 --> 02:41:43.520
sports administration, he took assistant coaching
jobs at McKendree College in Lebanon, Illinois,

2106
02:41:43.760 --> 02:41:48.680
Michigan State, and Navy before getting
the head job at the University of

2107
02:41:48.760 --> 02:41:54.120
Delaware after five decent seasons there,
sixty nine to forty nine record. Two

2108
02:41:54.200 --> 02:41:58.479
people changed Peterson's life, one directly, one inadvertently. One was a Peace

2109
02:41:58.559 --> 02:42:07.360
Corps the other Villanova coach Roly Methemino. The Peace Corps, more significantly,

2110
02:42:07.399 --> 02:42:11.920
is subsidiary the Sports Corps. Thought
Peterson was just the man needed to coach

2111
02:42:13.000 --> 02:42:16.799
the Chilean national team, which was
trying to improve because the country was to

2112
02:42:16.959 --> 02:42:22.879
host the nineteen seventy five Pan American
Games. His ability to speak Spanish was

2113
02:42:22.879 --> 02:42:26.799
among the reasons why the State Department
thought Peterson would succeed in an environment under

2114
02:42:26.840 --> 02:42:33.200
the leadership of Marxist President Salvador Alende
that was generally hostile to Americans. By

2115
02:42:33.239 --> 02:42:39.360
the time he got the job in
nineteen seventy one, my first reaction was

2116
02:42:39.520 --> 02:42:43.639
forget it. Then they started talking
about things like a job from my wife,

2117
02:42:43.680 --> 02:42:48.680
and it kept looking better and better. The offer wound up being a

2118
02:42:48.799 --> 02:42:52.000
house with a maid, plus a
car, gas, food, living expenses,

2119
02:42:52.000 --> 02:42:56.280
and a chance to get caught in
the crossfire of the coupdata that toppled

2120
02:42:56.360 --> 02:43:01.760
Alan Allende. I don't know,
you know, I don't want to talk

2121
02:43:01.799 --> 02:43:05.280
about chili because people think I'm making
it up. I've seen dead bodies in

2122
02:43:05.360 --> 02:43:09.360
the streets, cars overturned, gunshot
buses, cars and flames, you know,

2123
02:43:09.600 --> 02:43:13.719
but don't make it seem like a
big deal. It was like you

2124
02:43:13.840 --> 02:43:16.680
and I sitting here talking. You
get the attitude. Hey, you know

2125
02:43:16.719 --> 02:43:22.200
they're not shooting at me. I'm
cool, fucking awesome. Yeah, just

2126
02:43:24.920 --> 02:43:28.360
shoot him, not me. I
don't fucking care pretty much. I don't

2127
02:43:28.399 --> 02:43:31.920
care who dies, just as long
as it's not me. It wasn't being

2128
02:43:31.959 --> 02:43:35.239
in a line of fire between radical
students and the police as he drove to

2129
02:43:35.319 --> 02:43:39.239
work that convinced Peterson to leave Chili. Nor was it having to buy food

2130
02:43:39.280 --> 02:43:43.719
on the black market because of the
trucker strike that played a big role in

2131
02:43:43.840 --> 02:43:48.159
bringing down a Lende. I left
because guys couldn't get to practice with the

2132
02:43:48.200 --> 02:43:50.879
gunfire in the streets. Every day
I'd call twelve guys and four would make

2133
02:43:50.920 --> 02:43:56.680
it. Some days I couldn't get
there. The military takeover came twelve days

2134
02:43:56.680 --> 02:44:00.639
after Peterson left in late August nineteen
seventy three. His leg see a fourth

2135
02:44:00.719 --> 02:44:05.600
place finish for Chile's basketball team in
the nineteen seventy three South American Games.

2136
02:44:05.200 --> 02:44:09.520
Peterson, who could see the end
coming, began looking for a way out.

2137
02:44:09.559 --> 02:44:13.600
At the nineteen seventy three NCAA Final
Four in Saint Louis in the Flesh

2138
02:44:15.000 --> 02:44:18.040
in the flesh market for coaches that
is part of every Final Four, he

2139
02:44:18.239 --> 02:44:22.760
was asked about taking a job in
Bologna, Italy if the if the leading

2140
02:44:22.840 --> 02:44:26.840
contender, Messamino, turned it down. Peterson said he was interested, but

2141
02:44:26.920 --> 02:44:33.280
forgot about the possibility and went back
to Chile. When Messamino took the Villanova

2142
02:44:33.399 --> 02:44:37.120
job, the Bologna owner, who
had advertised he was getting an American coach

2143
02:44:37.200 --> 02:44:39.719
to rebuild his team, quickly turned
to Peterson. I went over there and

2144
02:44:39.879 --> 02:44:43.600
the team practice for me, and
I fill in love with Italy. Immediately

2145
02:44:43.719 --> 02:44:50.280
fucking ted Lasso over here, thinking
he would be in Italy a year.

2146
02:44:50.440 --> 02:44:54.079
Peterson left his family, which then
included two children, in Tennessee. But

2147
02:44:54.200 --> 02:44:56.559
Bologna won the Italy Cup in its
first in his first season, and one

2148
02:44:56.680 --> 02:45:03.440
year became five. And then the
Milan team president called it was like going

2149
02:45:03.520 --> 02:45:07.799
from some other city to New York. I mean Milan is the prestige team

2150
02:45:07.280 --> 02:45:13.079
of Italian basketball. In his twelve
plus seasons in Italy, Peterson is credited

2151
02:45:13.120 --> 02:45:18.879
with turning around teams in both Bologna
and Milan. His teams have won seventy

2152
02:45:18.920 --> 02:45:22.319
two percent of their games, three
league championships and a Korak Cup, one

2153
02:45:22.360 --> 02:45:28.200
of the three europe Wide cup competitions
that run concurrently with league seasons. Yet

2154
02:45:28.280 --> 02:45:31.879
few Americans have succeeded as coaches in
Italy. Don Casey tried a year at

2155
02:45:33.000 --> 02:45:37.559
Pesaro, only to be fired after
losing six of the first seven games on

2156
02:45:37.680 --> 02:45:41.120
an Italian replacement. The Pasaro team
went on to lose to SIEMAC in the

2157
02:45:41.200 --> 02:45:43.159
playoff finals. You put Jay in
front of Pesaro. We got your name.

2158
02:45:43.360 --> 02:45:48.879
You're damn right there it is.
And Don didn't learn a word of

2159
02:45:48.959 --> 02:45:54.239
Italian, and you can't communicate through
an interpreter. It is his language skills

2160
02:45:54.280 --> 02:45:58.799
that have made Peterson the foremost interpreter
of American sports in Italy. Speaking rapid

2161
02:45:58.840 --> 02:46:03.520
Italian mixed with both a Midwest twang
and an American slang. Peterson does four

2162
02:46:03.639 --> 02:46:09.399
sports shows a week on two privately
owned channels. The shows include a weekly

2163
02:46:09.479 --> 02:46:13.520
pre broadcast of a National Basketball Association
game, on which Italians have learned that

2164
02:46:13.639 --> 02:46:20.959
a Julius Irving basket is called doctor
j house call. His income and exposure

2165
02:46:20.000 --> 02:46:24.799
from TV endorsements, publications, and
even a little player agent work on the

2166
02:46:24.920 --> 02:46:31.520
side. Damn right. He has
his hand in everything, says He has

2167
02:46:31.559 --> 02:46:39.000
his hand in everything, says SIEMAC
playmaker Mike Dent. Me give Peterson a

2168
02:46:39.079 --> 02:46:43.520
nationwide president. Succeeded only by soccer
players in Italy. It is why no

2169
02:46:43.719 --> 02:46:48.280
coaching job in America looks as attractive. Peterson is also the overseer of a

2170
02:46:48.440 --> 02:46:52.879
rapidly growing youth basketball program in Italy. He has had at least a little

2171
02:46:52.920 --> 02:46:58.200
to do with the general improvement that
helped the Italian national team win the nineteen

2172
02:46:58.200 --> 02:47:05.719
eighty three European champions He broke the
Italian's box, says Dan TONI West Virginia.

2173
02:47:07.600 --> 02:47:13.879
What West Virginian whose heritage makes him
an Italian? For accounting purposes,

2174
02:47:13.280 --> 02:47:18.280
only two foreigners are allowed for team, but Seemike has a luxury of three

2175
02:47:18.360 --> 02:47:24.000
Americans. Dan got them to be
hard workers and top of them played defense.

2176
02:47:24.479 --> 02:47:26.479
Now that he is sure of himself, he's mellowed out. I think

2177
02:47:26.520 --> 02:47:31.239
he retired as a coach about three
years ago. So I'm looking an Italian

2178
02:47:31.280 --> 02:47:35.760
to me. I love them Italians, right, Yeah, he definitely pronounces

2179
02:47:35.799 --> 02:47:39.799
the eye. Peterson would agree with
all of that. You know, we're

2180
02:47:39.920 --> 02:47:46.760
the least coach team in the world. Except feeling sure of himself. Coaches

2181
02:47:46.799 --> 02:47:50.680
have painfully little job secured in Italy. Eight of the code country's top thirty

2182
02:47:50.719 --> 02:47:54.159
two teams changed coaches in the first
one third of this season. The pressure

2183
02:47:54.200 --> 02:47:58.040
here on the pressure here is so
stifling you can't breathe. If we play

2184
02:47:58.079 --> 02:48:03.600
against bona and all these uh,
those achievements I've been telling you about will

2185
02:48:03.680 --> 02:48:07.200
mean nothing. Is in college where
you can say we're gonna teach you these

2186
02:48:07.239 --> 02:48:13.000
guys today and we'll win tomorrow.
You lose today, You're gone in a

2187
02:48:13.120 --> 02:48:18.120
cab going to the pavalido. For
the Chabona game. Dan Peterson does not

2188
02:48:18.239 --> 02:48:22.280
act like a man feeling any heat. The ovation before the game is comforting,

2189
02:48:22.440 --> 02:48:26.120
so is Seamok's early burst, producing
a thirty to sixteen lead after ten

2190
02:48:26.159 --> 02:48:31.799
minutes. Only when the Yugoslavia whittle
a twenty one point lead down to twelve

2191
02:48:31.879 --> 02:48:35.440
in the second half does Peterson become
animated, running to the other end of

2192
02:48:35.479 --> 02:48:39.120
the floor to call a defense.
As the referee notices and pushes the SIEMOK

2193
02:48:39.200 --> 02:48:43.639
coach toward his own bench, the
sellout crowd erupts in a chant of raw,

2194
02:48:43.079 --> 02:48:50.799
Raw, Peter Pete Raw, Rob
Pete, her Son Wow. When

2195
02:48:50.840 --> 02:48:54.120
the ninety sixty six SIEMOK victory is
over, Peterson does interviews in English and

2196
02:48:54.159 --> 02:48:58.799
Italian and joins the rest of the
team for dinner at a restaurant, intent

2197
02:48:58.959 --> 02:49:03.239
on disproving the maxim that you can't
get a bad meal in Italy. Two

2198
02:49:03.319 --> 02:49:07.959
big screen TVs show a delayed broadcast. At the game, one table breaks

2199
02:49:09.000 --> 02:49:11.520
out in the words of a song
composed on the spot to commemorate the victory,

2200
02:49:13.200 --> 02:49:16.520
but dandy Dan of Italy picks it
as risotto. Listening quietly as his

2201
02:49:16.639 --> 02:49:22.520
praises are sung, Dan Peterson takes
another sip of mineral water and drinks it

2202
02:49:22.639 --> 02:49:26.959
all in. Oh my god,
this guy. What a gift, Dan

2203
02:49:28.040 --> 02:49:30.799
Peterson. I mean, who would
have thought we'd get the chance to be

2204
02:49:30.840 --> 02:49:35.719
acquainted with Dan Peterson. Oh not, not, not ever, an Italian

2205
02:49:35.799 --> 02:49:39.760
legend. Peterson. I didn't even
know there was a fucking Dan Peterson from

2206
02:49:39.879 --> 02:49:45.399
Chicago who fucking was a legend in
Italy. This cause is almost like a

2207
02:49:45.520 --> 02:49:48.559
John Nadden calling a wrestling show.
Yeah right, exactly fascinating that this guy

2208
02:49:48.719 --> 02:49:52.559
was such a cultural institution, get
somehow, Yeah, I just you know

2209
02:49:56.159 --> 02:50:00.959
that aired this show and yep,
got the assignment. Believe in you know,

2210
02:50:01.520 --> 02:50:03.360
I believe in sports, I believe
in entertainment. I feel like wrestling's

2211
02:50:03.360 --> 02:50:07.000
got a kind of calling for me. And if you think this guy's fascinating,

2212
02:50:07.079 --> 02:50:11.319
how about backstage interviewer and his co
host, Guido Bagot. I mean,

2213
02:50:11.440 --> 02:50:16.840
just just read this paragraph from an
article about an American basketball player who's

2214
02:50:16.879 --> 02:50:18.879
going over to Italy and the papers
here we're trying to make it. I

2215
02:50:18.959 --> 02:50:22.200
think in Ohio we're trying to make
heads or tails out of you know what

2216
02:50:22.360 --> 02:50:31.920
this this Italian league is like and
what the upper unbelievable it do? I

2217
02:50:31.959 --> 02:50:35.040
have it? The article says,
well, things such as press facilities are

2218
02:50:35.120 --> 02:50:41.120
NBA caliber statistics are a mystery.
The press can't get seasoned stats of any

2219
02:50:41.280 --> 02:50:46.840
Italian players. If you want to
know the numbers, you ask Guido Baga

2220
02:50:50.559 --> 02:50:56.479
how the fuck is this even a
thing? There is a player named I

2221
02:50:56.559 --> 02:51:01.479
guess Bob Ferry. No, no, it's his father, Danny Ferry,

2222
02:51:01.680 --> 02:51:07.520
who was in play for an Italian
league. Spot and Guido bagattas all over.

2223
02:51:07.600 --> 02:51:11.920
This is like a spokesman for the
for the team. So he's like

2224
02:51:11.959 --> 02:51:13.760
a PR guy. He's like a
mover and shaker in the PR world.

2225
02:51:15.319 --> 02:51:20.079
Wow. He studied English and literature
at UC Santa Barbara, according to Wikipedia,

2226
02:51:20.799 --> 02:51:28.120
and was a commentator for NFL football
games as aired on Italian television.

2227
02:51:28.760 --> 02:51:33.200
Wow. So he became you know, if you watch the Super Bowl in

2228
02:51:33.280 --> 02:51:37.520
Italy or the NBA Finals in Italy. You knew this guy quite well.

2229
02:51:37.559 --> 02:51:41.399
Apparently that became his thing, was
commentating American sporting events on Italian television.

2230
02:51:43.200 --> 02:51:46.319
And yeah, I worked for Canal
five and unbelievable to get to know these

2231
02:51:46.360 --> 02:51:50.920
guys in the rolely they held in
the country. But that's uh, that's

2232
02:51:52.000 --> 02:51:54.719
Guido, the man with the stats. They'll just have to wild. You'll

2233
02:51:54.799 --> 02:51:58.479
just have to trust him, right, I guess. So the venue,

2234
02:52:00.440 --> 02:52:03.399
the Forum d Milano, I guess
is where it takes place? Yes,

2235
02:52:03.760 --> 02:52:09.200
yep, an indoor sports arena in
Osago. You see a forum Asago,

2236
02:52:09.280 --> 02:52:13.399
I think on the on the Chiron
on the show. Oh yeah, yep

2237
02:52:13.559 --> 02:52:18.639
yep, which is outside of Milan, capacity of fifteen hundred, primarily used

2238
02:52:18.760 --> 02:52:22.159
according to Wikipedia, for basketball,
ice hockey, tennis, and live concerts,

2239
02:52:22.200 --> 02:52:26.079
and in fact hosted. I forgot
all about this. I read this

2240
02:52:26.760 --> 02:52:31.159
a pair of episodes of Raw when
they broadcast Raw from Italy in two thousand

2241
02:52:31.159 --> 02:52:33.399
and seven. Oh my god,
yep, well that was that was you

2242
02:52:33.680 --> 02:52:39.639
remember that at all? Also boxing
championships, some ice hockey there as well,

2243
02:52:39.879 --> 02:52:48.680
and heard ninety three with Dan Peterson
doing comment. Man, those are

2244
02:52:48.680 --> 02:52:50.760
the days, and coming up with
the twenty twenty six Winter Games, which

2245
02:52:50.760 --> 02:52:54.360
will be held in Italy. The
figure skating and short track will take your

2246
02:52:54.360 --> 02:53:01.520
places in the same arena that hosted
WWF European Rampage teen ninety three. Boss,

2247
02:53:01.520 --> 02:53:03.520
I think it's safe to say we
would like to arrive in Milan.

2248
02:53:03.719 --> 02:53:07.719
Before we do that, we need
to rock that fucking death toll. Oh,

2249
02:53:07.000 --> 02:53:18.120
yes, we do. We have
seven yeah? Seven? Uh?

2250
02:53:20.120 --> 02:53:24.200
Virgil? Yeah, right, is
in the dark match? Oh well here,

2251
02:53:24.319 --> 02:53:26.680
you know what you talked about,
Scott Center pinning IRS. He does

2252
02:53:26.719 --> 02:53:28.280
in the dark This is a dark
match, Okay, I din't even know

2253
02:53:28.280 --> 02:53:33.000
other dark match? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Virgil, Yeah, Scott

2254
02:53:33.079 --> 02:53:35.680
Center pinned Di r s. Virgil
defeated Terry Taylor. Yeah, Virgil,

2255
02:53:37.280 --> 02:53:43.879
mister Fuji Yoko Zuna Butch Yes,
the Bushwhacker Bam Bam, Bigelow, Paul

2256
02:53:43.959 --> 02:53:52.280
Bearer and the Undertaker. Wow all
dead right, all no longer with us?

2257
02:53:52.319 --> 02:53:54.719
Right? You're confirming that right here, right now? Yes? Yes,

2258
02:53:54.639 --> 02:53:58.440
So there you have it, the
death toll for a show that,

2259
02:53:58.559 --> 02:54:01.639
man, I thought we'd get to
in a part of the world I never

2260
02:54:01.680 --> 02:54:05.959
expected to get to. The show
I didn't even know existed really until until

2261
02:54:05.959 --> 02:54:11.079
it until it came our way.
It's time for the deep dive into WWF

2262
02:54:11.120 --> 02:54:15.840
European rampage nineteen ninety three April nineteen
ninety three to be specific, from Milan,

2263
02:54:15.920 --> 02:54:18.200
Italy. On the other side of
this break, it's that fucking cast