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What is going on? Clippers fans. Welcome to season two, episode twenty

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seven of Clips and Dip. I
am Chuck Mockler, joined by Adam Auslin

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and Will you Updyke. Welcome to
all the new fans. If you're still

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a fan after what happened last night, Hey, we're still here. We're

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all still here. I'm bringing some
positive energy because things are going to take

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a nose dive because we're going to
talk about what the Clippers did last night,

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which was terrible. We're going to
talk the tylu hot seat after what

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might happen when we're up in the
bay. We don't know if there's anything

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happening there. There's some James Harden
things to discuss. One game really derailed

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the vibes for the Clippers, I
guess is kind of the theme of the

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show before we get into basketball stuff. Hello to my co hosts. How

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are you doing? Adam and Will? Adam will start with you outside of

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basketball? What's going on? Everything's
fucked. I'm sorry I didn't be a

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start like that, all right,
I apologize, guys. I'm mostly kidding.

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My life's great. I am living
a charm life and I'm lucky to

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be able to cover this team great
and I'm happy to be like you guys.

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All right, will how are you
doing sunshine Rainbows? Yeah, yep,

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that's that's right on. Yeah,
I don't know, it's it's dark,

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man. I feel like it's really
really dark right now. I'm just

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rocking the kernel. I pounded a
chicken sandwich on on air before before we

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started recording. So yeah, I'm
clearly putting my body through the ringer the

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same way the clippers have have put
me through a ringer. If we had

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a Patreon, we would have a
tier where we would just send you the

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video of will eating the sandwich before
the podcast. This is this is not

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even a diet, so I don't
care. I don't care anymore. All

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right, let's get into it.
That's a perfect seguay, I don't care

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anymore? Is a good way to
kind of talk about this. Do we

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want to revisit what happened or we
just kind of want to dive into the

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William Updyke question at hand now we've
had some time to think it over.

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I don't know if I feel we're
right, And it's a jumping off point,

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right if we go to the question
we're still going to talk about what

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happened last night. I think we
have to, all right. So basically

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I was talking to Chuck and I
don't know these two games. It's a

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tale of two Clippers. It's two
very different teams, and I'm left wondering

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what says more about who this team
is and where they're actually at. Is

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it the win over the Mavericks or
this loss to the Denver not who can

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I be honest, it wasn't even
the Denver Nuggets. It was Denver ig

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Night or whatever their G league affiliate
is. Sorry for not knowing that off

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top, but like, this is
ridiculous. You're gonna tell me that a

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team that started Reggie Jackson and DeAndre
Jordan in the Year of Our Lord and

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Savior twenty twenty three beat the Clippers
that were fully healthy. Yeah, two

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separate double digit comebacks in that game
by the aforementioned Reggie Jackson and DeAndre Jordan

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Nuggets. Yeah, I think because
it's so fresh in my in our minds,

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I think it's the Nuggets game.
But Adam, go ahead, you

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look like you want to go off, which is fair. No, it's

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definitely the Nuggets game because this team
is still recovering from losing six straight.

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They're not out of the woods yet. They could have just gotten back to

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five hundred had they won last night, and it was from the opening tip,

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just a lethargic, laxa daisical,
low effort type of game from the

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Clippers. You could see it.
It would have been shocking if it was

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a twelve thirty start, which is
more expected when it comes to these slow

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ease into its sleepwalking Clippers performances.
This was a game where they had a

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day off. I just hang out
every team, every team, all other

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twenty nine teams in the league,
have the script. You're down, guys,

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you want to beat the Clippers.
Play hard. They're gonna lose,

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They're gonna crumble. It literally is
that the only thing you have to do.

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Play hard from the opening tip,
and you will beat this team at

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full strength, at whatever. You
have a better than fifty percent shot of

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beating this team. I couldn't be
more disappointed with the level of, as

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the kids say, unseerious basketball that
we saw in that game, where there

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was a defensive effort that borderlined on
unprofessionally too well. The weird part,

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sorry to cut you off with the
defensively part that you're talking about. A

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lot of it was Kawikau I played
a horrific game defensively. He was losing

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guys behind him, he was getting
back cut. It was so uncharacteristic of

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his entire him, and it was
just baffling. Everybody checked out. Everybody

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thought they had a free win.
It was the exact opposite of the Dallas

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game, which was so impressive considering
it was the second nut of a back

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to back, and they looked like
the fresher team, and they had bounce

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and juice out there, and they
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half against Luka Doncic with the game
plan and giving him different looks and blitzing

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and firing, getting the ball out
of his hands, and then rotating and

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covering for one another, helping the
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I think it's the worst regular season
loss in the two point three era,

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I really do, And that could
be recency biased, but considering where

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this team is at they just added
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get to five hundred. It looked
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I think they would have had a
better chance last night if the Nuggets were

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just fully healthy. I honestly think
they just went into the ballgame, oh

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two hours beforehand. Now Jokich is
out too, Okay, we can get

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away with the just rolling the ball
out there and figuring it out on the

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fly, not running much offense,
over compensating with trying to get Kawhi Leonard

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Moore shots to a point where it
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much isolation basketball and there was no
flow out there whatsoever with anyone else.

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James Harden continues not to take shots. It's not to be aggressive on the

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offensive end, to turn down to
catch and shoot three, which ends up

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being I don't know if that was
a misshot or a turn over. Take

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your pick in the fourth quarter?
Do you have to sell it was a

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turnover to Zoo. I know exactly
what possession you're talking about, because I

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tweeted out from the eclips and Twitter. Sometimes when you catch it, you

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have to shoot it, James.
Sometimes you do, you just sometimes you

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gotta shoot it right after you catch
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that this is the worst loss in
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I think we can say because the
status from Justin Russo. Prior to Monday

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night, the Clippers had won one
hundred and twenty eight consecutive games when entering

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the fourth quarter leading by more than
ten points, they'd won one hundred and

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twenty eight. This is the first
time in one hundred and twenty nine games

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that they lost the game leading my
double dits in the four court against as

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Will said some of the Nuggets,
great game for Mitgie Jackson, Jondre Jordan.

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Revenge is a hell of a thing. We have to appreciate the spitefulness.

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I guess that which they played because
it worked, but it coincided with

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an incredible lack of effort. They
let them get that victory in that fashion

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because of the way they played.
There was a point where Reggie Jackson I

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think hit thirteen straight shots. Sure, I mean he was cooking them in

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the pick and roll to a degree. And they're gonna see deeron Fox and

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Tomatos and bonus tomorrow. I'll talk
more about that coming out, like you

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can't stop this. They weren't even
playing it hard. They weren't connected at

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all. It was like they were
seeing it for the first time. It

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was like they didn't know who Reggie
Jackson was, a guy who lives for

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these moments, who of course was
going to get up for this game and

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knew he had the green light.
Are you kidding me? He got up

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for them in the preseason and was
trying to go right at Kawhi and Paul

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George and Paul George by the way, I don't want a huge overreaction.

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It was awful. It was easily
his worst game of the season, two

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for thirteen. He also was very
bad defensively when he was leading that charge

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really against the Dallas Manvericks. With
the focus that he had on that end,

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I don't know what happened in that
game. And the shots he was

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taking the fourth quarter that he was
missing extremely bad. It was shocking that

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type of loss. It was lose
your basketball powers space jam overly used cliche

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type stuff by the Clippers. Well, and I think at least a lot

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of the conversation that I've been seeing
is like this is again, this is

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being put on Russ, This is
being put on James especially. You know,

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given the trade and the players,
the high effort, high motor players

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that we gave up in that trade, and that's just not what I saw.

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I thought this loss was so discouraging
because of how poorly Kawhi and Paul

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George played like that to me was
what it was. And I mean,

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Charles, you posted the record earlier
there they played sixteen games together in the

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young season, about as much as
you get, hope there's seven and nine.

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Yeah, it's it's quite literally as
many games as you could possibly hope

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for them to play together. At
this point, we went from this area

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where, hey, if the Clippers
are healthy, they've always won in a

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seven hundred winning percentage when Kawhi Leonard
and Paul George are both available, and

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it's just been health concerns and setbacks
and not having enough continuity because of that.

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Now you get sixteen straight games with
them and your two games under five

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hundred. And by the way,
this was I would say the third really

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bad loss, because that loss to
Memphis is also confounding. I don't care

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that they were working in James Harden
as they still are, and it was

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even earlier then. I don't care
in Brooklyn that loss they had where camp

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Thomas goes out early in the third
quarter and they're already missing half their guys

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and Mikhale Bridges did nothing, just
like Michael Porter Junior, who went three

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of thirteen last night. Somehow I
had a caller say, no, Denver

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was down four guys because Michael Porter
Junior is such a bad game. Of

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course he hit that three point or
late, as the Clippers didn't get back

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in time to put a hand in
his face. I've never seen anything like

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it, not with a team with
this much talent. That and that is

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the issue. That is what has
been making me want to bang my head

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against the wall all day. We're
not a plucky team. We have a

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team of four Hall of famers.
We have a team of guys who even

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if they have to remember, we
talked about the worst case scenario win.

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I can't remember what game it was, but it was when the Clippers kind

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of just needed to rely on being
top heavy and it worked out and they

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got the win. I'll look up
what episode it was. But like that

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is now somehow a stretch. Now
for me, it's a stretch that we're

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gonna be like, we can't be
too top heavy for the Nuggets. Down

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three guys, like where do you
starters? Is insane and people are all

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should be able to have a bad
shooting game and you still have three other

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Hall of famers that can pull you
through exactly, and people are upset.

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One we got to know from sports
guy eight to eight. Uh just you

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know, uh, he said,
can we just talk about how all off

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season they were saying how they were
going to take the regular season more seriously

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and they wanted to get younger and
more athletic. Just now fast forwards sixteen

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games in the season and suffer the
same as you said earlier, unserious losses.

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That's been the prevailing thing on Clippers
Twitter, on anyone who has watched

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the team as Clippers fans. You
also sometimes get text from people who you

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never really talk to, but they
will hit you up when the Clippers lose.

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Got a lot of those last night. It's just maddening. We're just

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here again. We're in the same
place we were last year. It's just

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I know they didn't really have anything
rolling, but it feels like it's all

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unraveled, if that makes sense.
When it came out so unfocused in that

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first quarter, Kawhi had it going. I think he had nine in the

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first but he had two unbelievably bad
turnovers so uncharacteristically bad. Kawhi is not

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a guy that has those just brain
fart type of turnovers. I have trouble

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rationalizing or reconciling what we saw yesterday. And just I know coach lew said

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pregame that they have to focus on
them and not worry about who's available for

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the Denver Nuggets. I'm sure the
team knew that. I don't know what

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else he could have said. He
was fired up on the sidelines. At

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what point does it come down to
the players? And I posted that Kawhi

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quote after they took down the Houston
Rockets post game where he said, at

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some point, the light has to
go on. The message has been there.

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The coaches can only do so much. At some point either the light

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goes on. There were some bathing
decisions, which I think we're going to

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talk about in the next segment,
but there were also the I mean,

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this is firmly on trying I agree
with that, but there were some bathline

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decisions made. I'm not saying coach
lou is close to perfect in that game,

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and we got to talk about some
of those decisions too. I'm just

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saying effort alone would have won this
game. Instead, they thought they could

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just out talent the Denver Nuggets,
and they got out worked. If they

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just had a bad shooting night but
they still played hard, they would have

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won the game. They thought they
could out talent that they got outworked.

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As an all timeline, that is
that's a perfect, sadly encapsulation of a

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lot of the Clippers' losses. Doesn't
it feel like we've talked about this before,

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But this team plays like they already
have won a championship sometimes, like

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they know they have this flip that
they can switch, Like they're the early

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two thousand Lakers with Kobe and shap
that would consistently play down a competition and

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then turn it around in the second
half and get victories. But you'd give

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them the benefit of the doubt because
they had the hardware, they had the

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trophies to prove it. This team
plays sometimes like they're owed something just because

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of the names out there, and
it's just hard. It's hard to see

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that. I don't understand it.
I mean, look, they've had obviously

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great runs. They got to the
Western Conference Finals, They've had great focus

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at times in the regular season,
and maybe they come through and win the

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next two games and they shut everybody
up and it was just a little blip

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and you can say, Okay,
this is more who this team is.

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But after this loss, and I
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there's just no excuse, inexcusable loss
last night for the Clippers, and maybe

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they're worst of the two and three
era. I just took. I just

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was watched. It was pathetic.
It was a pathetic effort. It was

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a pathetic loss. I mean,
we talked about this earlier in the season,

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but like, how do you not
get tired of this? I just

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don't know how you. I don't
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just like on a human being level, are not tired of getting of showing

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up late and getting washed by like
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I just don't. I don't get
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that this loss says more to me. I certainly had more to say about

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this than even the win over the
Maps, because I think we see flashes,

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and for five years now we've seen
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who they are, and that's not
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Well, and last night they played
defense down the stretch. Getting outscored

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by twenty and a quarter is very
hard to do, and they only put

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up sixteen points. Denver had had
thirty six. But they played defense at

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times against Reggie Jackson the pick and
roll, where it looked like they knew

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they had some potent offense on the
other end, and all they'd have to

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do is get a few stops here
and there defensively, and their offense is

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so good, like it's some Mike
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D'Antoni with James Harden offense, and
all you got to do is be mediocre

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defensively and that'll be good enough because
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that offense is not there yet,
it has not arrived. James Harden

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isn't being aggressive enough. Still.
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and stuff. But your point about
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and also, can I say I'm
sorry to rough shot. How the

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hell can you be aggressive if the
ball isn't in your hands? How hell?

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How like? How the hell can
you control everything if one player is

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taking every shot and not even good
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and I know that he can do
some incredible things. Obviously, he's,

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you know, the peak of what
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some times, man, I'm just
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he's not elevating the team around him
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you know, like in his introduction
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team basketball, and I just I
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don't know why. We've added more
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of a disconnect and the team just
continues to look worse. They're still shooting

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about twenty five percent in clutch time
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since they went to this new starting
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they were shooting twenty five percent as
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Now they're at twenty seven percent in
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averaging in that time is it not
many? So that's the defense was good

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enough that there's still two and two
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minutes, but it's unbelievably bad offense. So that's the thing the defense has

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been carrying this team when when they
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defense is phenomenal and the Lakers game
it wasn't very good and they lost,

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and then in most of their wins, the defense has been what we've supposed

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to see. That the late to
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a great tweet. Lot Murray was
saying a lot of good things on Twitter

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today. He said, reality is
that the Clippers are very easy to defend

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Layton games, especially if you can
hit their stars legally. The ball doesn't

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move, bodies don't move, and
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Not so sure what the last part
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on some certain lineup changes, which
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but he's one hundred percent right.
When this team, we wanted this

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team to be kind of this drive
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time we would see, you know, last season, some flashes of like,

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oh they're really breaking it down in
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that's gone. Now it's just it's
not totally pounding the ball and wait

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for something to happen. But it's
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ball and then see what happens.
Here's what someone asked me on Twitter earlier

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today about that the new clutch time
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said, I am the system best
ever will be. I don't know who

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this is, but they got a
picture of Heisenberg breaking bad. He said,

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we must ask what we can do
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tweet about the clutch time offense,
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ball in James Harden's hands, run
pick and roll and playoff of that,

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just like they did when they went
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Houston Rockets and actually looked like they
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So that is a perfect segue into
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talk about James Harden's offensive things right
now, one of which is the pick

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and roll and him being passive.
But before we go to that, Will,

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do you have anything else you want
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to an ad break about last night, specifically cook Will that looked like the

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Samwich way right before we went on
cut back the colonel buddy, All right,

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we are moving on. I can't
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dude, I was looking at PJ. Tucker game logs. Today. We're

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gonna get into how gross things got. We're gonna talk about James Harden's offensive

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situation, because there is a situation
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Tucker's non scoring streak. We're gonna
be talking some of the people who maybe

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don't aren't sure about Tylu. We're
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break, we do have to pay
some bills. The ads have been too

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loud for you, go ahead and
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and then we're talking all that stuff
I just said in three two one.

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All right, welcome back into clips
and dip, where we continue to

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sort of dissect what this loss against
two fits of the of the Denver Nuggets

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means. But specifically we want to
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what's going on where these problems are
possibly even spit off some some solutions,

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because there were there were hadsome things
that could have worked last game. I

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liked what I liked what we saw
from Zoo offensively. Anyways, let's talk

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about James Harden. Chuck you have
here in the Kinks, the top King,

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uh is offensive things? Yes,
So, Adam, we were just

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talking about pick and roll. Can
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you go into your argument, which
I'm sure makes total sense, just for

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some context for some people. What
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of James Harden? Sure? Absolutely
no. So the hill is on fire

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with the names. If you guys
aren't watching it on YouTube, you've missed

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some legendary name tags over the last
couple of weeks. I still in the

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middle of the night before I go
to bed, start thinking about he sucks

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start them. Yeah, it's a
it's a. The YouTube is a good

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time where a Clippers podcast over on
YouTube. So James Harden stats before Adam

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starts making his points. These help
Adams points. Twelve percent of James Harden

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shots are coming at the rim,
which is a career low. By nine

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percent. That is not good.
The Clippers are middle of nine percent,

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meaning he normally would average like thirteen
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yeah, nine percentage point nine percentage
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Now, guys, we don't have
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thank you, uh, but you
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and that's me. The Clippers are
middle of the pack. And pick and

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roll frequency, which I think we
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higher. H James Harden is running
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percent of the time he has the
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three points per possession. Not good, very much, not good, but

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we need more of it. Adam
go off, please, because I agree

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with everything you say. It was
like a point and a half per pick

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and roll the first four or five
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And this is what's really strange.
Harden's taking less and less shots by the

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game. Right now, he has
taken in his last four games, he

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has taken seven shots, eight shots, eight shots and seven shots last night,

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where before that he had taken twelve, eleven, fifteen, twelve.

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He was in double digits, and
he was looking more spry out there when

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you talk about him getting downhill and
getting to the basket. He had multiple

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plays where he turned the corner on
guys. Even when he smoked a layup

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on the fourth quarter in Denver,
he looked like he had burst. And

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now he's looking slower. I say
he reconditioned or is he just not in

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offensively. I think with his bursts
specifically, he can do it when he

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can do it, If that makes
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kind of step. He can do
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or can do it. Reggie Jackson
held him to three field goal attempts based

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on the matchup data. That is
insane. Reggie Jackson should not be locking

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up James Harden. And they were
all threes. They were all three James

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Hard locking up James Harden. James
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it's the indecision. I mean,
it's the indecision around the boards. Like

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I don't get. I just don't
get how we're this many games deep and

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there's still no plan of what to
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or where it's going, you know, a hesitancy to take shots. We

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had like one vintage James Harden moment
in the fourth where you hit that step

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back three and it felt like,
Okay, maybe the Clippers can turn it

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on just enough. They can they
can get just enough to get over the

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hump. It won't be a pretty
win, but it's a long season,

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and I did not have that way. You know, we've talked a lot

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about intangibles and done some body language
experts stuff and reading whether this team which

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cares enough or put out a good
enough effort last night. But there's a

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play, a couple plays in particular, that I don't know how else to

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think about them. When James Harden
at the end of the third quarter rules

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the ball out to try to get
a two for one situation and has it

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taken away from him as he's watching
the ball roll up the court. That's

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just an all time bad Who do
you think you're going up against in this

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game? Like these are professional basketball
players, and I get you could do

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it to a point, but at
some point you had to pick up the

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basketball wait until it got to the
danger zone, like you're just tempting fate.

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And that's exactly that's a microcosm of
that game. That's one of the

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what boneheaded turnovers we've seen from this
clip team who has had a shocking amount

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of bonehead of turnovers, like have
to lead the league and bonehead of turnovers

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when he's on the floor. Not
the first turnover that you cided Chuck trying

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to look for a Viza Zubots in
the fourth, but the one later when

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he falls to the floor with the
basketball, it did look like he was

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called for timeout and then give it
to him. But yes, and then

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the effort or urgency that I would
have thought there would be from the players

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around him to make themselves available to
receive the pass in what the pass ended

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up being from James Harden was brutal. They're all tired. It looks like

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everyone's tired. We had this training
cait where we ran the whole time,

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and now two of those guys are
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Tucker playing five minutes in a game
against the short Everyone's exhausted. The rotation

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has been like seven guys for the
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Like I know exactly what you're talking
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every horrible moment of this game is
seared into my brain, like I

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feel like it's just minority report and
I'm just watching all of this stuff happen

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again and again, like the they're
tired, and the effort isn't there.

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It's just but guys, they tire. The second half of a back to

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back against Dallas That's why I feel
like it's more about the effort and they

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just have I agree, how are
they tired? I don't know. I'm

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strasping for any physical reason because I
wanted to be physical. I guess that's

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where I'm coming from, is that
I want it to be a physical issue.

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I don't want it to be more. I know it's this. I

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know it's a mental thing with how
this team choose it, I don't.

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I know that they prepare well.
I know that they prepare well when that

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whistle well, but but when that
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it's actual game time, it just
feels like it's just gone. So I'm

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hoping that it's a physical thing and
we're not deep in the depths of a

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team that doesn't understand how to play
with each other at all, despite having

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a pretty good UH plus minus with
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That's where I'm coming from with it, is like, but I think

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I know the truth. The truth
isn't it a want to thing? Which

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begs the question of leadership and where
it's coming from and if it's resonating And

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I'm not putting it on Coach Lou
I'm saying the players out there, they

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have to get up for these games. They have to know the situation,

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the circumstances they can get back to
five hundred. The games that are coming

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are going to be much tougher.
You've got a gift against this Denver team

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with all the guys that were out. It's typically you that have so many

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guys that have been out over the
seasons, and you guys play hard in

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those situations. So you should know
that the Denver Nuggets are going to do

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the same. My god, they
won the championship. They got angry ass

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Mike Malone, who I love.
He's going to know you guys motivated,

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and you know Reggie and DJ.
It's like, like it goes even deeper

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than that. Like it's like,
you know, like you were saying the

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last segment of we know what Reggie
does, he lives for these moments,

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and this is I mean, like, this is a whole other can of

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worms. But I feel like this
team, which again comes down to leadership

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in the construction of the roster,
has systematically and seemingly pointedly gotten rid of

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any player that you would expect to
be that voice in the locker room.

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00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,359
Because I I want to say,
I want to believe Chef too, that

406
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,200
it's a physical thing. But you
look at the kind of guys that they've

407
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,640
had, because they have had guys
who can be that guy that we've seen,

408
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,160
be that guy that we know can
be that guy in the locker room,

409
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,720
and for some reason they seem to
get shown the door. What chance

410
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:47,920
is it that all these guys happen
to be tired and fatigued on the same

411
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:52,480
night from the opening tips in the
first Reporter it was a rest night that

412
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:57,319
went horrible. Jews Man, I
admitted it. Nightmare right now, you're

413
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:04,039
right what this is and the roster
is like the roster is. I can't

414
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,480
sit here and say that it's a
bad roster. None of us can say

415
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,440
it's a bad roster because objectively,
I can, okay, look at the

416
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,559
Pistons and all that shit, it's
a team that should be better. But

417
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:22,880
is that the level of comparison for
the loss Detroit Pistons. I would say

418
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,240
that it's a poorly constructed roster.
It's not a bad roster, it's poorly

419
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:29,240
constructed. I think there's two Like, the players aren't good. We have

420
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:36,240
good players on our roster, but
we have what why have I being attacked?

421
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:40,200
I don't know that I like it, but this is the thing,

422
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:48,359
like we have this weird logjam at
guard where Bones is a getting any minutes

423
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:53,599
and they're not coming anytime soon.
We have Russell Westbrook played sixteen straight minutes

424
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:59,839
last night, went minus thirteen or
minus three or something insane in those minutes.

425
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:02,440
F the box score and the plus
minus last night. I mean,

426
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,519
if you look at it, in
the twelve minutes, James Harden wasn't on

427
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:10,160
the floor. They were a minus
fifteen apparently. Did it look like that

428
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:14,720
eye test wise, I was terrible. I do think in a one game

429
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:19,039
plus minus situation you got to also
match it with the eye test. And

430
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,200
Russ, that's fair, to his
credit, made some unbelievable hustle plays.

431
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:27,119
If anyone was playing hard, it
was him and a Vitza Zubas. Sure,

432
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:31,160
but why does he have to play
sixteen minutes straight? That's wild,

433
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:37,039
that's fucking crazy. Or why do
they have to close with him and Harden

434
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:42,319
on the court. We already acknowledged
that it doesn't work. We're trying to

435
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,079
separate them as much as possible.
We're trying to have them have their own

436
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:51,319
units. Why to the end you
just go small with them two out there,

437
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:54,680
two one three, Terrence Man and
then Powell in for Terrence Man.

438
00:32:55,519 --> 00:33:00,599
I don't understand it. We already
figured out by the fact that they're not

439
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,599
starting them next to one another,
well, we probably shouldn't be out there

440
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:06,599
on the court. Well, I
mean we talked about this. We tease

441
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,880
it coming into the segment, you
know, like, is this a roster

442
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,759
construction thing? Is this a rotations
thing? Because the hot seat on Tyloo

443
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:20,000
right now, it's got to be
pretty warm, So I don't know if

444
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,440
it's warm. I think from the
fans it's warm, because that's a good

445
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,839
point from the fans. It's quite
warm. It's tosty, it's very warm,

446
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,240
it's toasty. The issue there's a
lot of weird lineup stuff, like

447
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:36,599
we just talked about, if it
didn't work as starters, why would it

448
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:38,759
work as closers? Right. I
tell you about one that led to a

449
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:45,400
big momentum shift in this ballgame.
It occurred in the second quarter. It

450
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,359
was two guys who were only out
there for one minute together, but during

451
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,880
that minute they were quickly a minus
six and an eight point lead went to

452
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,880
a two point lead very quickly in
the second quarter. And who would it

453
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:05,400
turn out to be? PJ Tucker
next to Aviza Zoo botch which now as

454
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,280
they have played eleven games, this
slander, I don't feel like he deserves

455
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,199
this strand, Well, this is
PJ Tucker slander. Okay, it's mostly

456
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:21,280
about playing PJ Tucker at the four
and just having no space to operate on

457
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,400
the offensive end with those two guys
in there is they're both non shooters,

458
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:28,880
especially at this point PJ Tucker Chuck. You can speak to what he's been

459
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,760
doing offensive lad a little bit.
But in their eleven games, now that

460
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,960
they have both been on the court
together fifty one total minutes, Clippers have

461
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,719
an offensive rating of eighty nine point
five and a defensive rating of one twenty

462
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,960
nine point two. That's a net
rating of minus thirty nine point seven.

463
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:52,079
It's not working. It's not going
to start working. The only time it

464
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,880
worked for a second was against the
Pelicans, when I think Valence Chunis and

465
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,559
Williamson were out there and they might
have been a plus one for a couple

466
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:06,519
of minutes, which is the one
minutes I'm looking at here. And it

467
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:12,159
has been so bad and unsuccessful.
And if you feel like you have to

468
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:15,719
play PJ. Tucker, get him
run or get him reps, even in

469
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:21,000
a game where the matchup doesn't suit
him. It worked obviously against Ion Williamson

470
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:23,280
at times that was a good matchup
for him. I don't know what to

471
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,960
tell you, but you're seven to
nine. You have to start making these

472
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:34,840
tough decisions guys. Guys are already
not playing hard out there. Can can

473
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,079
it be much worse inside the locker
room if you don't play PJ Tucker,

474
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,119
Like, what difference does that make
if you're losing to the Denver Nuggets when

475
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:49,559
they just have Reggie Jackson. DeAndre
Jordan is going to be hearing about this.

476
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,800
Yeah, so let's talk about PJ. Tucker being a non shooter and

477
00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:04,199
everything like that. PJ. Tucker, it's been one hour and nineteen minutes

478
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,239
of playing time that he has been
on the court since he has scored an

479
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,719
hour and nineteen minutes, longer than
a Hallmark movie, not as long as

480
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:21,480
a feature film. He has two
field goal attempts in that span, both

481
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:29,800
of them versus the Pels. This
is not sustainable. The man cannot score

482
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,639
no points. The man cannot make
it to two full NBA games worth of

483
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:39,360
playing time without scoring a point.
He's very close, he's And yes,

484
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:45,119
I would say yes, there's no
doubt in my mind that that happens with

485
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:49,679
how things are going so and this
goes back to and Adam Ohslen argument,

486
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,440
just play a mirror. If PJ. Tucker is gonna get dnped in the

487
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,840
second half and play five minutes and
fifty six seconds versus Nug's team that is

488
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,880
three quarters of the way full or
whatever, play a miror those six minutes,

489
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:09,880
there'd be an offensive threat somewhat more
than more than an hour in nineteen

490
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,599
minutes and no points like play a
mere Does everyone not get cool sneakers if

491
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:21,400
PJ doesn't play like play a mirror? Yeah, I just feel like too.

492
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:25,079
I feel like too. If you're
trying to change the mentality of this

493
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:30,639
team, nothing is given like I
you know, I think at a certain

494
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,880
point, like you have you have
to give guys the benefit of the doubt.

495
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,159
I see that. I understand that
you know, you in a locker

496
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,199
room that might already be somewhat disgruntled. You know you you got to give

497
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,400
Vets their shot but at the same
time, like nothing nothing should be with

498
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:49,639
how morely this team is playing,
Nothing should be guaranteed in terms of playing

499
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:52,400
time. What works is what needs
to stay out there, and it might,

500
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:57,760
you know, it might not be
the popular decision or the favorite decision

501
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,559
in the locker room. But like
wins solves everything. Like I truly like,

502
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,360
even if there are issues in the
locker room right now, they start

503
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,320
winning. I just don't think that
that matters. And if you're winning and

504
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:14,079
there are guys who are unhappy about
the role, then you got to move

505
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:19,400
them. If that's the case,
you got to start making some tough decisions.

506
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,400
I agree with Will. I'm going
to use that as the teams for

507
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,559
this episode. What he just said
it has to be earned. Now,

508
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:31,280
I'll say this for PJ. Tucker. He next to Daniel Tye guys that

509
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,280
has been working. That is a
plus one. Next, I was wrong.

510
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,760
There are there are teams that he
works against. There are lineups where

511
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,800
he can work, but we're figuring
out which ones do and which ones don't.

512
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,000
And they keep playing him next to
a Visa Zoo batch and that lineup

513
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:53,400
does that work? And I would
also argue that the Daniel Tye. Slummers

514
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:59,800
with PJ Tucker are all because of
Daniel Tye. I well, I don't

515
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:05,039
know what happened with like what what
was the reasoning there with what? Sorry,

516
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,039
what happened with Tyson's minutes in the
second half of that game? Like

517
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:12,800
what what was the reasoning there?
Were you guys seeing anything that Nastian game

518
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,440
that was like, oh, it
makes sense to move away from him because

519
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:21,559
I didn't at least nothing that I
noticed. This goes into a great question

520
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,360
because, like I wanted two questions. I think we got to talk about

521
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,280
do we actually think it's like that
TYLERU is like to blame for the majority

522
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:35,599
of this, but also will to
what does Tyler want? After the game

523
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:37,239
on Friday, he said he doesn't
care about how many threes they get up,

524
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,920
and then after the game against the
Nuggets, he says, we need

525
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,559
to get up at least thirty six
in every game. We're seeing five minute

526
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,079
shifts from PJ. Tucker. There's
no and I know they're figuring stuff out

527
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:51,519
with James Harden, but the bench
isn't even figured out, Like it's not

528
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:57,280
like like there's there's nothing. Again, this is a conversation we've all had

529
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:01,800
the last five years, what is
this team's identity? Like Tyler, they're

530
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:07,480
still like I'm grasping at straws with
it being a physical issue. They're grasping

531
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:13,000
at straws for some kind of identity
and we get it once every three games

532
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:17,000
and then it kind of changes,
like Tyler's I don't know, I don't

533
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,320
know. I don't think it's all
his fault. I don't think we should

534
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,840
fire TYLERU or anything like that right
now, but like it's frustrating, man,

535
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,599
the mixed messaging that has been seemingly
going on for a little bit here

536
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:37,039
is it's a little bit baffling.
You brought up those things. I go

537
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:42,119
back to we're trying to separate them. I forget the exact verbiage, but

538
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:45,599
we're trying to get Russ and Terrence
Man away from each other. But they

539
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:51,800
were also in the starting lineup for
what the first six games or first five

540
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:58,039
games with James Harden and they're also
closing last night. After you separate them

541
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:01,079
from being together in the starting lineup, I could see out was situational.

542
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:07,519
Russ made one of the most unbelievable
hustle plays when they trapped Reggie Jackson in

543
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:14,000
the corner and he got it to
a wide open Watson underneath the basket,

544
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:19,199
and somehow Russ got back there and
redirected that shot with an under two minutes

545
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,480
left, and it was outstanding.
But he also miss him free throws late.

546
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:27,159
He took one jumper I didn't like, but the offense wasn't running that

547
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,840
well anyway, so I can't really
blame him. Yeah, Russ showed up.

548
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:37,320
I do want to point that out
of all the guys that we've talked

549
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,679
about that just did not play hard
enough in this game, I didn't feel

550
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:43,360
like Russ was one of them.
He had some bad moments too, but

551
00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:46,039
nobody's gonna be perfect. So like
the construction on the bench or like the

552
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:52,239
rotations is like I still like those
closing rotations with Russ. I don't blame

553
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,800
Russ for that. That's just a
small lineup that doesn't work that well together,

554
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:58,679
you know, Like it's not on
him. I feel like people think

555
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,920
we're attacking him or something like he
had some he has a great votor,

556
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:07,880
he had some great effort stuff.
It's just like it doesn't fit. So

557
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:09,800
I feel like it a little bit
comes out in the wash, which again

558
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,480
isn't his fall, but what are
you did it? Like, what are

559
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,840
you going to do with it?
You're gonna continue to close with him because

560
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,159
of the voter like and lose games
like. It just doesn't really make sense

561
00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:25,159
to me, and it takes away
from James Harden being empowered as the number

562
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:30,239
one ball hand or Layden games.
We saw how it can work against the

563
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,599
Houston Rockets they went on a twelve
to one run that were playing Iso ball

564
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:39,239
before that with Kawhi, with Paul
George and oh, we have this whole

565
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:45,320
other way to play now where we
can have a real offense and not just

566
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:51,199
freaking back your turn, my turn
because of James Harden. Just play through

567
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,639
him, play off of that.
And yeah, he was bad last night

568
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:59,880
and maybe it wouldn't have made a
difference, but they need to do that

569
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,159
much more often every night from start
to finish, when he's out there on

570
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,559
the floor. Otherwise, why did
you bring him in? Couldn't agree more

571
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:13,800
so the big question because we're kind
of talking about this in our group text

572
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:20,679
a little bit. If things go
bad in this upcoming King's Warriors Warriors Series

573
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,719
A three and four A back to
back starting the day you're probably listening to

574
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:29,280
this Wednesday. What are we thinking
here with the hot seat and actuality?

575
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,880
Not Clippers, Twitter, which wants
to fire TYLERU and bring someone who's gonna

576
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,840
play Kobe Brown of like forty minutes, which say, I love, but

577
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:42,039
it would not be good for the
team. Where are we at on that?

578
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:45,039
Because at some point, if things
continue to look, for lack of

579
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:50,400
a better term, like complete shit, someone's gonna have to get blamed.

580
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,599
No one's I don't think it's going
to be any of the four Hall of

581
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:58,800
Famers. I'm not getting rid of
those guys instantly. What do we think

582
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,159
the level of heat on Tyler is
if they go one and two in ugly

583
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:07,280
fashion against this mini Bay plus Sacramento
series. I know Sacramento is are part

584
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,079
of the Bay, which is why
I said that I think unchanged. I

585
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,320
really like, I think that that
would still be too much of a knee

586
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:21,840
jerk reaction. You know, I
understand, like I just fans of frustration,

587
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:27,320
but totally it's still like, let's
say that you had a larger game

588
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,800
stample size than even those two games. Like let's say we get to the

589
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,320
All Star break, we're still somehow
or five hundred, it's basically over at

590
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,000
that point. Why bothered firing him? And if it's previous to that,

591
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:43,800
like, what's the what's the plan
for the upside? Who? Like who

592
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,440
are you getting in there? Like
are you going to promote Dan Craig?

593
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:49,719
I mean, you know, I
don't have anything against Dan Craig, but

594
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,519
like, is that the move that's
suddenly going to pull this group together?

595
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:57,320
Like I just don't I hate that
teams do this too, Like I really,

596
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,239
I really dislike when a roster has
been built, it's completely like it's

597
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,639
completely unfunctionable, Like it doesn't it
just doesn't fit together, and the coach

598
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:09,400
is always the first one out the
door, and it's just like okay,

599
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:13,199
yeah, I mean, like we
see this. We see this all the

600
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,440
time with teams that underachieve. And
there are situations where you have a coach

601
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,119
who is either unable to manage personalities
in the locker room or unwilling to take

602
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,559
input you know, from coaching staff, from from other folks, and that

603
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,280
to me warrants obviously warrants a firing. But like, I just don't have

604
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:37,480
any empirical evidence that tylu is doing
that. Does he favor certain guys?

605
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:42,800
Does he say favor a certain position, I mean certainly, but I you

606
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,119
know, I just don't know.
I don't have a good answer for you

607
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:50,119
for who the alternative is. Yeah, totally. Well, we brought up

608
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:57,360
the mixed messaging and saying one thing
but doing another, or doing one thing

609
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,280
and saying another thing. You know, he just recently came out and said

610
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,480
how much small ball hasn't worked the
last couple of seasons and they're only using

611
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,679
it as a last resort. And
then a Visa Zoo Bots gets taken out

612
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:15,320
with three eleven left last night while
he was having one of the better games

613
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:21,719
of any of the Clippers. Yes, this was visas best game of the

614
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,239
season. In that above that it
was waste even you know me, I'm

615
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:29,800
not even like the Zoo dand wagon
driver like that. Some of it was

616
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,920
like all those offensive rebounds were off
of his own missus special to put them

617
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:42,159
away. Yeah, a little bit
inflated. Numbers are skewed there, but

618
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,239
for the most part he was playing
hard. There were a couple of possessions

619
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:51,719
though, or even Zoo looked like
he got lost or checked out, and

620
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,360
to coach lose credit. They're down
six when he took him out. It's

621
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,199
not like Zoo was making a difference
in that fourth quarter. He was on

622
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,960
the court when they were getting down. He also he and Reggie Jackson,

623
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,559
excuse me, he and James Harden
on a Reggie Jackson one of the pick

624
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:14,920
and rolls that they abused the Clippers
with. They both blitzed him. He

625
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:19,079
bounces it to DeAndre Jordan. Either
of them are there. There was so

626
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:22,719
much miscommunication going on. It just
looked like a team that had been thrown

627
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:31,280
together tonight or last night. But
the expectations are high. I like coach

628
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:37,440
Lou a lot. I think,
well, maybe some of the fires he

629
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:40,960
started himself. He's the only one
that knows how to put out all these

630
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,920
fires too. I think he's the
guy. I don't know how you get

631
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:51,039
better getting rid of coach Lou,
Like, what are they going to do?

632
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,079
They're going to lean into defense more. He already he's he has said

633
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,400
he's not controlling the defense right now. The defense has been on Dan Craig.

634
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:07,079
So maybe given as it was at
like, I mean, that's become

635
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:14,119
how he's moved up in the in
the world of Miami right spotro I forget,

636
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:21,320
but uh De coach Lou hasn't been
as involved with the defense. Now.

637
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:27,320
The offense is his responsibility though,
and he said last night that he

638
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,199
takes responsibility for the offense. Then
he corrected himself and the defense too,

639
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,679
but he knows the offense is his
job to make this thing work with these

640
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,239
guys with this level of talent,
and there's a ton of pressure there.

641
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,599
And in that article with Chris Haynes, he said, this is my toughest

642
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:50,079
coaching job, and it certainly has
been so far. And they have to

643
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:54,000
figure it out offensively this week,
really, because if you don't show up

644
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,960
against Sacramento, you're gonna get beat
by thirty. You're gonna get beat by

645
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:04,679
forty. If this team isn't playing
faster like he criticizes them for often and

646
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,199
criticize them for that last night,
well they're taking on the Kings. If

647
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:12,440
they can't hang at all with their
speed, and they will make you play

648
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,159
at their pace, the Clippers are
going to get run up and down the

649
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:20,000
court. I don't know what that's
going to look like. We tell Reggie

650
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,480
Jackson what he did. I think
doctor Shapp said this earlier today on Lobbed

651
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:25,280
Jam. What's the Yaron Fox and
the Bonus going to do in the pick

652
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:30,079
and roll if they can't correct these
things now, So this is a real

653
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:34,840
gut check time for the entire ball
club. But no, I don't want

654
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,400
to see coach lou Gon. Yeah, I mean, I just yeah.

655
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:45,760
Also Dan Craig heat, Yeah,
we're cut that out of the podcast.

656
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,599
It doesn't matter. I don't think
it's that big a deal. So that's

657
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:58,119
what we cut out of the podcast. Oh it's good to laugh, guys.

658
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:06,519
So now we need one positive thing. We're going into a hellish three

659
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,159
and four. It's terrible. We're
not going to get predictions on it.

660
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:14,280
I think the player of the game
is going to be I don't know,

661
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:19,639
I'm your comfort player of the season. Yeah, yeah, player of the

662
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,639
series. I don't know. PJ. Tuckery is going to score. He's

663
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:28,800
going to score one point over these
three games. Improve me wrong, I

664
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,559
just am not. I don't think
he's that much of a detriment in the

665
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:37,920
right matchups because of his limitations on
offense. I think he's still good enough

666
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,880
defensively with the right lineups that he
has serviceability that he has utility. Give

667
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,719
him the Scendarius stint guard it inbounds
pass well. I don't know if you

668
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,400
remember. Scendarius stint is a term
that Cole Hoops shout out Cole Hoops,

669
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,760
we talked about. Scendarius Thornwall used
to get put in for like one point

670
00:50:53,800 --> 00:51:00,800
two seconds every couple of games,
just as like a defender. Did you

671
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:07,400
guys ever see me pull a receipt
once on some Darius Thornwell, but I'm

672
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,679
not surprised. I did not keep
I do not keep receipts on the receipts.

673
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,719
This one was notable though, on
a former Clippers player who I really

674
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:22,000
like now playing in Europe. But
he was on South Carolina game Cocks.

675
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:27,039
They beat Duke I remember, in
the playoffs or in the tournament. And

676
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:30,679
I had been quoting him about something
and this kind of applies to what we

677
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:36,719
saw last night. But he said
when he was sent down to the G

678
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,400
League, like you don't want to
go down there. Those guys are wolves.

679
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:45,280
Those guys are crazy. They're ravenous
because they're all scratching and clawing over

680
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:50,039
one another to try to get called
up. And I quote him about that,

681
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:52,400
and for whatever reason he said,
I didn't say that, and so

682
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:59,800
that I pulled the video in his
media day. But last night you had

683
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,400
a bunch of Denver Nuggets getting extra
time out there and guys having green lights,

684
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,480
and all of a sudden, yeah, they're going full out effort.

685
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,880
You had to know they were going
to give the best effort because they have

686
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:14,679
a shot to show off for Michael
Loan and a well drafted team. A

687
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:19,760
lot of guys who they drafted not
very high given the team success, were

688
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,880
contributors last night and very good at
basketball. Take that with what you listeners.

689
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,920
Take that how you want to take
it. I like that point though,

690
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,559
Adam. I mean, they're like, all those guys had something something

691
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:34,880
to play for. Absolutely, it
might not have you know, meant a

692
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,360
whole lot in the like the the
expanse of the season to the cliffs.

693
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:45,679
Yeah, yeah, clear, I'm
not absolving coach lou There's just so much

694
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:52,559
blame to go around right now that
it's not that simple or that's the solution

695
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:58,519
to saving this season. I don't
think taking away one of the best schematic

696
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:04,840
strategics guys in the NBA, one
of the best tacticians is wise for a

697
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,000
team that's going to have to figure
out how to balance all of this,

698
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:12,000
and that's what the problem has been. They can't balance it right now.

699
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:15,159
If one guy's hot, another guy's
cold. If one thing's going right,

700
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,800
something else is going wrong. And
I express my concerns about this after the

701
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,920
first two games, I think after
they lost to New York and Brooklyn,

702
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:27,000
and everybody was like, yeah,
Adam, why are you so down about

703
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:30,239
the Clippers, Like what's going on? If they've lost at them, then

704
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,000
things must be really bad for this
team. And it was only two games

705
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,880
into the James Harden experiment. But
the one thing that popped up for me

706
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,760
late at night, I said,
I had this terrifying thought Chuck and I

707
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,280
were doing the podcast, was that
can you really keep all these guys in

708
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:49,519
rhythm? Is it as rudimentary as
there's only one ball? And nobody's ever

709
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,159
had four guys that are this ball
dominant and are at their best with the

710
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:57,440
ball in their hands be successful in
the NBA at the highest level, and

711
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:01,079
they have, there's a reason to
be really concerned. So far, it's

712
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:04,920
been like that, All right,
Well, I was gonna kick it to

713
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:12,079
Adam for the final positive thing for
this episode, will do you have a

714
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:16,000
positive thing we can leave these listeners
with as we head into this hellish three

715
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:24,639
and four m Maybe we can lure
Mike D'Antoni, not to replace replace,

716
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:30,440
but just as a consultant. We
need somebody offensively, who's who's gonna move

717
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,800
some things around. You want them
in a big cloak up in the rafters,

718
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,679
just looking. Okay, I will
take this. I guess I am

719
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:43,440
choosing to believe, with my head
firmly buried deep in the sand at seven

720
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:46,400
pm on Tuesday, November twenty eight, that the Clippers are going to go

721
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,760
two and one over this trip.
Like they're maybe gonna get their asses kicked

722
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,039
by the Kings, but I think
they'll beat the Warriors twice. I have

723
00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:57,039
no option but to believe that,
because we need it to happen, they

724
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:00,199
have to go too. And one, I didn't mention March once all this

725
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,360
episode. I'm just saying, I
didn't even bring that rotation stuff. Oh,

726
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,039
I know, because I waited.
I didn't want to. You know,

727
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:08,400
you gotta you gotta leave the good
stuff for the end, which is

728
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,000
why I'm talking about it now.
We got another twenty five minutes to get

729
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:16,440
into this. Can I necap your
positivity real quick? No? Okayeh?

730
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:22,559
Do it? So everybody's always like
Adam's home or Adam's always talking about the

731
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:27,639
positives and spinning. And I had
a name tag last time out about being

732
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:34,760
a mouthpiece. My level of concern
for Kawhi Leonard went from one point five

733
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:40,440
to three after this last game.
It doubled out of ten. Level of

734
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,840
concern for Kawhi Leonard, How he's
moving, how he's looking. I think

735
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:52,840
it's just fatigue like we see with
Lebron or anybody who's playing heavy minutes.

736
00:55:54,199 --> 00:56:00,440
But I I had some concern about
him trying to get by guys late in

737
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:06,000
the fourth quarter against Denver. I'm
not convinced of anything yet, but it's

738
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:10,280
just something I'm going to keep a
close eye on. All Right, Well,

739
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,880
I hope everyone watches for that too. They are this hellish three and

740
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,519
four that we have watch it with
that keen eye, maybe with some optimism.

741
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:19,440
But he's going to get it back. That could be a good way

742
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,440
to look at it. Let's hope
that he gets it back, right.

743
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:29,559
Yeah. I think Look, if
they beat Sacramento, the guys, I

744
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:32,320
don't know, they beat Sacramento the
Marrow. Here's the problem. We went

745
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:37,480
back to this place. No,
we went back to the place as fans

746
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:40,119
of the Clippers where you don't know
which team is going to show up every

747
00:56:40,199 --> 00:56:43,920
night. When we thought they had
turned a corner and we thought there would

748
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,960
be more consistency, and we're right
back in that pit. They've turned four

749
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:52,559
corners. That's where we're at Daytona. They've turned a four corner. Run

750
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:57,760
a fucking racetrack, taking four rights
or what lefts or whatever they do.

751
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:00,960
All right, anyway, we're gonna
have some double dips come in your way.

752
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:06,760
I don't know if the audience is
should be happy or sad that neither

753
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:07,960
of us was able to get on
the radio last night, because I know

754
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,960
that Will had some eaters. I
wanted to catch Will in the eye of

755
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:19,840
the well, here's what's going to
happen tomorrow. If what you two think

756
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,239
is going to happen, I'm choosing
to have hope. I have hope.

757
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:28,320
I know I'm bugking with you.
If what maybe could happen tomorrow happens,

758
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,360
it's all Wills. It's all Wills, and I will be very excited to

759
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:37,280
listen to that on Will's only coming
on in losses? Now? Is that

760
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:43,320
what you? Horrific losses? This
is the worst losses, not a normal

761
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,920
you know, not a six point
Hey, we were right there. A

762
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:52,199
bad loss, That's what I mean. What does a competitive loss do for

763
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:54,920
you? Can I can? I
can I sell you on a competitive losses

764
00:57:54,960 --> 00:58:01,000
that do anything for you? No? Nothing, absolutely nothing? And then

765
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:07,119
next full pod sometime later this week, maybe Friday. I'm going to Las

766
00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:09,480
Vegas to watch a wrestling tournament,
which, hey, that'll be a good

767
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,639
time. Reviews help, Well,
where can these people find this podcast?

768
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:21,960
Auditory wise or visually for the freaks
who like to watch? So you can

769
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,039
listen to this podcast wherever you get
your podcasts. We're on Google podcast,

770
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:28,639
where names on music fund Stitsue,
We're on Deezer. We're on am I

771
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:32,000
Missing one Apple Music. That's a
big one Apple podcast. You can also

772
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:38,159
watch this sometimes live, sometimes live
where don't cut out things like me saying

773
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:45,159
where the miss letting that out correctly
naming where Dan Craig was working. But

774
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:50,239
you can watch this over on YouTube. We'll also do live streams on Twitter.

775
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,599
That's at clippers Pod. On YouTube
of course, it's at Clippers Podcast.

776
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:58,519
Uh so, you know, confusing
nomenclature that are really hard to find

777
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:04,880
anyways, That about doesn't Adam you
you wanna send us out? I love

778
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,239
you guys, I love all our
listeners Clipper Nation, like we're in this

779
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:15,280
together still, and lord knows we've
seen worse. Yeah, yeah, very

780
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:20,480
true. That was not the time
sixteen games in to give up on this

781
00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:23,800
team, even after how bad of
a loss that was. I still can't

782
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,000
believe the way they bounce back against
Dallas after the way they lost to the

783
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,280
Pelicans. So there is precedent,
there is some recent history of this team

784
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:37,119
snapping back and having a really great
performance. How about that, Chuck,

785
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,400
That's all I wanted. That's all
I wanted. It's wonderful to hear.

786
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,039
We will talk to all of you
very soon. We hope you're having a

787
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:46,599
good after Thanksgiving week and as always, let's go Clips.