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Well off a weekend that let's just
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action. It had some interest,
at least in England, and we'll talk

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a little bit about We do have
a little bit of a recap, and

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then we've got a very interesting conversation
that one Dan Raphael has done with the

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president of Top Ranked Boxing, Todd
Debuff. We're looking forward to all of

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that on the show. I hope
everybody had a great weekend. We welcome

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you into a new week It is
the Fight Freaks Unite recap. I am

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merely the somewhat competent host TJ Reeves. He is our insider. Fight Freaks

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dot Com as well. Hello Dan Raphael.

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I am fresh back from New York, by the way, where the

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Tampa Bay Buccaneers played the New York
Jets the preseason, so I have made

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my way back here. How are
things with you? Off of a little

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bit of a slower in terms of
fights weekend? You know, I don't

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mind there being the occasional Saturday night
where there's not a lot of stuff going

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on. I mean there were some
activity some of the smaller shows on Friday,

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the one Cardio Reference. I will
do a short recap on from Saturday,

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which was a matchrom Cardi in England, so it was over by the

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early evening here in the United States. So it was a rare Saturday night

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where there was really no boxing.
As I like to say, no boxing

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call your mother yes, And that
is largely as we went over over and

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over again. No archer better b
of Unified light heavyweight title defense that was

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supposed to have happened with Callum Smith
because he had the jaw problem, the

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jaw infection after oral surgery, so
that got cast aside and has now been

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rescheduled for January. So we didn't
really have that. So here's what we're

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it up. All of that said, again, we're gonna get straight away

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forth with post taste to you and
Todd debuff. But we would not be

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doing our duty if you at least
didn't bring up this match Room next Gin

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show right that was in Birmingham,
England. Now full confession here. I've

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seen the recap that Sadikahmed did and
I saw your recapping of it a little

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bit on social media. This was
Gallia five featherweight main event, the undercard

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featherweight main event. What did I
say? I don't even know, I

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don't know what's flyweight main event?
Flyweight main event flyweight main event. And

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again I was fully engaged in preseason
football, but you're telling me there was

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an undercard fight that was a tremendous
fight. So the floor is yours recap

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what happened here with the matchroom show, right, So this is their next

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gen card. This is like their
version of like a souped up showbox for

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people. It's like there their top
prospects. It's not the world title fights

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that they often put on. It's
that sort of next level down. But

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that doesn't mean they don't necessarily make
good matchups. They're just not the kind

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of fights that they're going to get
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in the United States anyway, in
terms of like previews and big storylines and

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big interviews and things like that.
But Galalia five was in the main event

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against Tommy Frank, who was,
you know, a veteran type fighter from

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the UK. But galaliafi is worth
paying attention to. He's one of the

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best prospects in boxing. He was
the Olympic he was an Olympic gold medalist

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in Tokyo twenty twenty, and he's
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now he's now five and a four
knockouts, but he's older. He's thirty

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years old. So they're getting things
on a on a fast track for this

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guy. But it looks like so
far you can handle. So they put

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him with Tommy frank Uh, you
know, probably the best opponent he's faced

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so far. And so what was
most impressive was galalia Fi just absolutely nuked

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him. I mean, he got
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was a tremendous performance from Yafi,
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think if you're making an honest assessment
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boxing, you're going to find a
spot for him somewhere on that list.

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So he pummeled him and forced a
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first round. It was a beatdown
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forty seconds that the fight lesson.
So good for ye five. I mean,

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he's he's an interesting prospect, I
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old. But so a good win
for him in the main event, and

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he got his fans excited. You
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in Birmingham, Alabama, so Alabama
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Sweethearts, but I've been to Birmingham, LA member for his fight, so

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I meant Birmingham, England, not
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this Frank might have thought he was
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on those blows. I'm just adding
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that really like, I don't know
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I had had this fight I'm about
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the co feature of the card.
I didn't really have any high expectations for

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I thought I'd be like an okay
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England, Cyrus Pattinson, who has
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now had after this fight he just
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fights. But he's also older,
twenty nine years old. So his last

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fight that took place in March,
which he won by a ninth round knocket

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against Tris Jenkins, was an absolute
slugfest battle royale War of War type fights,

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you know, maybe a British fighter
fight of Fight of the Year contender,

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you know. And in that fight
Jenkins this corner, forced to throw

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in the towel in the ninth round
with such a given the guy, such

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a beating, but a great,
great fight. So this was this first

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fight's instant. So he comes up
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wealth Waits, by the way,
and this was supposed to be like maybe

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a little bit of an easier fight
after that tough, tough battle that he

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had. Not an easy fight,
but maybe a little bit of a lesser

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type of confrontation anything but because ConA
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Pattinson cannot help himself apparently from being
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were in a fight that I was
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okay fight turn into be like an
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Jenkins fight. Just an absolute slugfest. If he didn't see it, you

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can certainly call it up on a
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zone on demand. Walker ended up
stopping Pattinson in the eighth round. The

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Pattinson, you know, the fight
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round eight. He was down Pattinson
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fifth round. In the sixth round, both guys got cut, both guys

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were swinging away. Just a tremendous
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tough loss, but you know what, I'd watch him anytime. That's the

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kind of fights he makes. Now, ope he can overcome this and you

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know, put one loss aside.
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little bit. But his last two
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tremendous battles worth watching. Now,
normally you don't care what I'm up to,

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so I don't hear from you a
lot of the time. Unlesster's boxing

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related whatever. I didn't hear from
you, But my buddy David Payne,

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the boxing writer, sent me a
message. I'm in the press box at

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MetLife Stadium in New York for Buccaneers
and Jets and the game hadn't begun,

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and he goes, Wow, what
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an upset here with the finish for
Kna Walker. So check it out.

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Check it out. So at least
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fulfilled the obligation of a recap.
We just gave you a little bit of

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a recap. Yeah, I mean
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it doesn't have any bearing on pound
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of the weight different you know,
the wealthaweight division and you know in terms

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of like a top ten or so. But if you just like watching you

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know, a good, a good
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was a hell of a fight,
and uh, you know, I loved

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it, and it was I think
sometimes it happens with these fights. There

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are certain fights where you have expectations. You know, we expected Navarette and

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Valdez to be a tremendous fight.
We expected Terrence Crawford and Errol Spence to

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be a great fight. Now it
turned out to be a great performance.

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Not necessarily a great fight, but
in a fight like a ConA Walker against

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Cyrus Pattinson, I mean the expectation, I think we're middling, not like

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it's a bad fight or anything like
that, but you're not expecting, you

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know, the British fight of the
year, and that's probably what we got.

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So wow, hats off to him. It was a tremendous fight and

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the uh, there there pension for
the for the warfare and the combat was

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appreciated at least by this guy overseas, and if this guy is saying British

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Fight of the Year contender, at
least for now through August, pay attention.

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Pay attention on that. Okay,
one bit of news, and then

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we're gonna get to your conversation with
Todd debuff. That is lengthy, but

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there's a lot of good. Rayphael
has been chomping at the bit to talk

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to him, and then I get
this, Hey, I thought it was

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like ten fifteen, twenty minutes,
and it turns out that it's six hours.

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No, it's not say hours,
it's less than that. It's still

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really good stuff. So stand by. We're getting to that. But before

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we get to that, there is
a news item. And I believe that

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when we were sitting together in Las
Vegas and you were watching the Empire Strikes

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Back in the recap mode that night, after Terence Crawford had pummeled Errol Spence,

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you use the phrase on Devin Haney, Regis pro Gray, it's not

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done. When it's done, it's
done. I do believe that was Dan

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Rayphel saying that in the wee hours
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Sunday, July thirty first, right, if I have my days correct,

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whatever that was you said that twenty
ninth, so into the wee hours of

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the thirtieth you said it's not done. Rayphiel is back here on the Recap

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podcast to say this fight is not
done yet for late October or otherwise give

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me the latest, okay. So
it may still very well get done,

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because that's what happens. You know, fights are done when they're done,

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and this fight was not done.
Now both fighters had said publicly that's what

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they were striving towards. Devin Haney
h conversated with the WBC as it relates

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to his lightweight belt. They made
him a champion in recess on the you

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know, on his notification that he
planned to go to one hundred forty pounds

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and fight the WBC's junior welterweight champion, Regis Progra Progray was making social media

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posts and video saying we're doing the
fight. They were bickering over the date,

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but the reality was while they had
agreed, let's we're gonna do this

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fight, and I and my understanding
is that Regis had you know, from

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what he said, he signed some
kind of document that you know, his

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side of the agreement that Haney side
had, I guess agreed to what their

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financial package was, but it still
wasn't done, and because there was other

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things that were still outstanding, there
was some question whether, you know,

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was it going to be a one
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Matchroom wanted multiple fights, understandably so, and so they had to go through

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anyway there. It just takes time. I'm not I'm not casting, I'm

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not blaming anybody or calling anybody out
or anything. I'm just saying it wasn't

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done. It takes time. And
so in the period of time in which

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they were still trying to get everything
squared away, the date that the fight

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was supposed to take place on that
they wanted it to take place on,

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at least that's what match Room and
what program we're thinking, was October twenty

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eight at the MGM Grand Garden Arena
in Las Vegas, which, as an

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aside, and I wrote this in
my column people can check it out of

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my substack, was kind of a
dumb date for this fight to begin with,

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because this is a very good fight, obviously, but it's not gonna

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trump in terms of the attention and
the and the oxygen around a big event.

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When you're going on the same day
that the heavyweight champion Tyson Fury is

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taking on Francis Nagana, which you
can love where you can hate, but

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you cannot deny that it's going to
attract the huge amount of attention and it's

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not gonna trump what's happening between Devon
Hanni and Regius Program period. At the

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end of a story, even though
they're not going to take place at the

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same time, one fights overseas and
the Middle East and it will be on

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earlier, it's still going to eat
up massive oxygen within the boxing business.

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And if you're trying to do that
fight, which the Zone wanted to do,

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I am told by multiple sources to
put Devin Haney against Regis Progray on

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the Zone pay per view. Now
you're even fighting a more of an uphill

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battle because your two pay per views
on the same day. And I think

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most boxing fans probably would go for
the Tyson Fury fight given his name,

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power and just the sort of match
up against a guy. Yes, so

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they'll putting that fight, And I
wrote, you know people can again they

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can read the column program against Haney
is a good fight. I have no

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problem with the fight. I like
to fight fair enough, but as as

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a pay per view proposition, it's
insulting and it's kind of pathetic because I

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don't know about you. I paid
two hundred and twenty five dollars a year

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for the Zone, and that's the
kind of fight you expect as part of

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your subscription. Frankly, it's not. It's a good fight, but it's

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not like some mega fight. It's
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in in Devin Haney was a pound
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top quality junior welterweight title holder who
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in his weight class, coming off
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Just a nice, goods quality,
solid fight. Why am I paying?

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Why would I want to pay an
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It makes absolutely zero sense. You
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If we're talking Devin Hanny Ryan Garcia, that's a pay per view. If

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we're talking about Devin Hanny Dravanta Davis, that's a pay per view. If

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we're talking Devin Haney against Tiafimo Lopez, it's a different story because at least

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he's number one. There'd be a
lot of heat for that fight, you

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know. I mean ESPN with their
tonnage, can back that and get a

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lot of publicity the zone. It's
not their fault, but they don't have

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that as their own platform. They
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the masses. So anyway, the
pay per view aspect is another part of

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this thing. But the bottom line
is the fight's not done. So whether

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they're going to get it done for
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If they do, they're probably going
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which then could theoretically move it to
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was because I was gonna say,
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You posted in the substack and you
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a deadline for the building and the
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contract that it has to be done, right. I just know that the

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building is not is no longer available
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parameters of what your gate might be
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to the deal. Plus you have
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should be pay per view or not. And so now you have a fight

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where it apparently both sides want to
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issues that are not related to I
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want to fight the guy. What's
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What's this? What's that? This
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element of competition. It's other factors
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if they can get it worked out, fine, we'll see the fight

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be very irritated if it's pay per
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more thing about that. By the
way, if you put that fight on

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the twenty eighth on pay per view
against theory, it dies. If you

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put it on a different date and
it's not against fear, it still dies

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on pay per view. In my
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I don't understand why I'm paying two
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Zone subscription when I can't get that
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as I pointed out to my piece, I'm fine with the Zone showing their

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misfits stuff. I don't watch it, but okay, fine, I rather,

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you know, I dig some of
the smaller shows, like they did

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this past weekend. We didn't really
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MVP Prospects card on Friday night.
They also did the OTX fight card on

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Friday night, which, as an
aside, also makes no sense for them

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that to put them on at the
exact same time. But nonetheless, so

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I'm down with those shows. But
I don't spend the two in a quarter

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for ot X. I don't spend
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I don't spend it for the Misfits, which I think is crapola.

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I don't spend it for darts and
all the other stuff. I don't spend

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it for the shoulder programming. I
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I sure as hell don't buy the
zone to get a main event like Jack

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Catterell against the decrepted remnants of Orgy
Lenaris. Okay, so I need a

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top quality fight and Haney program is
that. So that is a pay per

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view was like a sick joke in
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clear if they're going to ever be
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So hopefully they will. I'm kind
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apart, I'm not hoping it does, but if it did, you know,

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I'd like to see I'd love to
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get it on. That's a much
better fight, in my opinion, well

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laid out by you. So here
we go with your conversation with Todd debuff

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and just give a quick thirty second
preview because you covered a lot of subjects

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with him. This is lengthy but
worth it. Just give him a quick

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outline. Sure, So okay,
So just to for the background, I've

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I've known Todd for almost twenty five
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friendly for for a long time.
Todd was a guest on my wedding,

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for example, so we know we
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He's put up with you for a
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with him for a long time.
So but Todd and I talk a lot

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about the fights at top rank does
not necessarily you know, sometimes for interviews

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and things and quotes and stuff,
but a lot of times just to shoot

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the shit about this and that and
whatever's going on with the events. But

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I've been trying to put him down
to do an interview for a while,

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and so I knew this was like
a light week in terms of what we

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had to recap, and uh,
you know, I appreciate Todd was like,

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Okay, let's do it. So
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gonna spend like twenty twenty five minutes, max, and we're gonna go through

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a bunch of the fights they've got
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their divisions that they're involved in this, and that it turned out to be

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built longer. So it's like fortyes
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with you. You can't read a
menu in twenty or twenty five minutes.

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I'm just bagging on you keep going. So so anyway, so I'll just

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to let the folks know. I'll
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and so we we'll will start off. We had a conversation. I wished

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him happy birthday because his birthday was
this week, So happy birthday to Todd,

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And uh, you know, we
look back a little bit on their

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tremendous fight they had just recently between
Emmanuel Navarette and Oscar Valveez, which was

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a great, great fight obviously,
and we spend quite a bit of time

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getting into their involvement and his thoughts
about different elements of the heavyweight division.

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Because they are, of course the
co promoter of Tyson Fury, they are

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bringing in onto their because of their
ESPN relationship. They're bringing in the us

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Duba fight that takes place on August
twenty six, They're bringing in the September

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twenty third fight rematch between Zang July
and Joe Joyce like they also did the

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first fight, and then on in
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with the Duba Usi, they've got
their own show here in Tulsa, Oklahoma

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in the United States, a heavyweight
tripleheader with Jared Anderson's returned to the ring

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with a Jagua him in a fight
in the in the top ranked debut of

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their newly signed twenty twenty Olympic gold
medalists Baco Deer Jola Law. So they've

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got a lot of involvement in the
heavyweight division. And then we just went

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sort of basically kind of down the
weight scale. We talked about better BF

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and that post Bowman. Can we
ever see a fight between him against against

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Admitri Bibo for undisputed. We got
into the kind of added of nowhere unification

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fight they're going to do in October
in the middleweight division between their fighter Janabec

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and the newly crowned IBF title holder
Julia Terry from Germany, and we got

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into you know, his thoughts about
Look, they spent there a long long

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time, many years promoting Terrence Crawford
and involve in his career, so some

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thoughts from him at the Errol Spence
fight. We got into all the different

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things going on with their involvement because
they're so deep at junior Wealthy and also

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lightweight with Tiathimo and with the Shakor
Stephenson, etc. And then we had

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a good conversation to finish things off
about another great top rank fighter and great

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fighter period is Noia in a way, and what's up with him and his

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impressions of where he falls historically and
what we might see for him next and

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so it was a very wide ranging
conversation. I appreciate his time and I

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think the fans and the listeners are
going to enjoy it. Okay, So

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again this is gonna be long,
and then we got some nostalgia on the

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back side of it, but well
worth it. Here now is more on

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Dan's get with the president of Top
Rank. I'd like to welcome into the

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podcast this week a man who I've
wanted to have on the show for a

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while now, and I'm glad we're
able to get this together. I'm gonna

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be speaking with my good friend,
long time friend, Todd the Buff,

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the president of Top Rank, who
I consider the leading promoter in boxing these

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days. Todd, welcome to the
show. Thank you very much, and

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he'd belated Happy birthday to you.
Oh, thank you. And you're a

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LEO two, so you're coming up
as well. Well, I'm actually a

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virgo, but I'm a little few
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I guess. Anyway, Yes,
my birthday is coming up in a

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few days. Anyway, thank you
very much for doing this. I got

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we got a lot of topics.
He got so much stuff going on at

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Top Rank, which is good,
so we got plenty to talk about and

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i'd like to talk. I'd like
to start off with a little bit about

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the fantastic event that you just put
on, which was a fight that has

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a lot of people, you know, calling as a fight of the Year

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candidate and a fight that a lot
of people were anxious to see when it

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was nate And that's the great battle
that took place between the w BO Junior

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lightweight champion Emmanuel Navarette who had the
great decision victor and a totally action pack

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fight against the former champion Oscar Valdez. Isn't that sort of like everything that

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you want to see when you at
the company put on those types of events,

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you know, where people are excited
going in. It lives up to

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the billing, and there's a lot
of good feelings afterwards, and both guys

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conduct themselves like true pros and you
know, no no, no controversy,

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no nonsense, but just a great
fight and a great event, and you

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know, both guys move on.
I mean absolutely. I mean, you

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know, being in the business since
I since nineteen ninety three, you know,

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you kind of go through these moments
that you're like, you know,

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you know, you you all of
a sudden, you see the cycle turned

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back around and I see Eric and
Eric Morhallis and Marco Antonio Barrera as part

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of this this promotion and I'm like, oh my god, it reminds you

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of you know, is it possible
that we could execute on this that yet

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no Barette and Valdez could be a
Morales Berrera. And you know a lot

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of times as promoters, we do
things and we kind of drop our pants

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a little bit, you know,
trying to say this is the greatest moment,

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so this is the greatness, but
it really isn't. And you know,

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and sometimes you get lucky and sometimes
you actually have a little skill and

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is trying to think that the styles
make a compelling match, and you know,

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this was one of those matches.
It reminded me as much as going

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into it as Morales Berrera as it
did at the end. And I think

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that's what makes people keep coming back
to the sport. And I think that's

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what makes us all is people involved
in the sport that you know, you

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walk away from something like that and
seeing all the fans touched by it and

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over ten thousand people in Arizona going
crazy and over a million people on the

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platforms of ESPN tuned into it.
It's just it's just great. It's great,

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and it's gratifying, and it keeps
us coming back for another day.

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Well, you mentioned about having Morales
and Errera as part of the promotion,

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and I just love that because whether
the fight lived up to that or not,

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you know, that's a conversation anybody
can have, whether they thought that

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it did or that it didn't.
But I just thought it was fantastic that

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Top Rank a company that has put
on so many historic fights, do you

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and then been involved with so many
Hall of Fame fighters, Brera and Morale

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among them, and that you're able
to bring those guys back to help,

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you know, promote this event,
and that they were willing and interested and

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seemed excited to be a part of
it. And I just love the fact

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that you can mind the Top Rank
history to get the legends involved. I'd

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actually kind of like to see more
of that. Is that something you think

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we can see, you know,
when it makes sense. I'm not obviously

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you can't do that for every fight, but when it calls were I mean,

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you have plenty of past fighters that
would fit into those types of promotions.

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Well, I mean, ye,
yes and no. I mean I

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think there's something about moving forward always
and you don't want to keep people in

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the past, and in those of
us that we're able to you know,

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want to give the guys to the
future connect shod. We should we should

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really concentrate about the future understand and
I think that's first and foremost. But

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to take us back, I mean
selfishly, Eric was you know, was

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a big piece of my career starting
off. He was a big piece of

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how to figuring out, you know, understanding and jumping deep into Mexican National

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tr from US as a company.
We had we had really just come off

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of signing Oscar in ninety two,
and we had had a nice run with

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Carpo Hall in eighty eight that I
came on the tail end of, but

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a Mexican National was nothing that we
really really were really embedded in. And

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Eric was one of the first one. The funniest thing about it is is

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when in real time I remember,
like whenever I saw Marco Antonio Barrera,

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I thought he was like the enemy, right, And I thought he was

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like, you know, because I
was so close with Eric, and Barrera

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was associated largely, you know with
the foreign boxing and you know, he

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did his stuff. We were always
across from each other. He was never

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one of our fighters that we developed, so I always felt like he was

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like a little bit there on the
other side. But when I saw him

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in Arizona, it was like I
couldn't believe. It was almost like twenty

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years a hat right, Like,
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respect was there. He Eric and
I were giving each other a lot of

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00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:18,799
grief, and obviously everybody's gotten older
and kind of fun to laugh at off,

407
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:22,279
but it was really true. Effic
it was true effic to go down

408
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:26,160
memory loan, Yeah, I totally
I loved it. And now you have

409
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,640
two fighters coming out of that fight, Navarette, who's probably never been bigger.

410
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,039
That was obviously his biggest victory.
He's retained the title, Valdez despite

411
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:37,400
the loss a gallant and brave effort. I wonder, what is what does

412
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,599
the future look like for Navarette?
There's not a lot in his weight class,

413
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,559
it doesn't seem at the moment.
There's obviously a lot of talent at

414
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:45,799
one thirty five, So in my
mind, I'm sort of figuring, you

415
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:49,000
know, he'll make a defense at
at lightweight, I mean a junior lightweight

416
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,319
rather and then probably in the not
through distant future, you know, go

417
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,680
up to the next weight class because
he's you know, he's had his issues

418
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,799
making the different weights. What are
you guys at the company think in terms

419
00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:04,559
of his future? You know,
I think, you know, a performance

420
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:10,039
like that the other night, which
really was surprising to me, right I

421
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:14,319
you know, we talked about going
into the fight a little bit, a

422
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,599
little bit like the bell chair fight, and you know that I thought that

423
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:25,359
Oscar's maybe his pedigree would would outclass
him a little bit. I just thought

424
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:27,519
I didn't even think that. You
know, I thought Navarette looked a little

425
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:33,200
sluggish in his last performance. You
know, he got dropped, and you

426
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,200
know, I just felt like I
felt like the tide was moving away from

427
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:38,440
him, not then not riding him, And all of a sudden, he

428
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:45,079
has that performance and you see him. He handled it so well and easily,

429
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,880
and I would not be surprised if
he goes up to thirty five quickly,

430
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:56,680
and he won't. I mean,
he he mumbled a little like he

431
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,440
would like Shakur. I mean,
he wants to go for it, and

432
00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:03,039
he's one of those kids. I
mean I would assume what that would happen.

433
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:07,759
That would probably be after score Winter
were to obtain I guess the vacant

434
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,119
WBC belt and then, like I
don't think he would be there to fight

435
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,480
him for the vacant title. That
would seem a little bit prettymature. Maybe

436
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:15,799
No, I mean I you used
it long term, right, say tomorrow.

437
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,599
Okay, that clarifying, right,
it's a long term I could definitely

438
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:26,200
see that being a possible fight in
the future. I definitely could see it.

439
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:30,680
I think it's one that not Varette
kind of licks his chops for and

440
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,039
he was he was smiling about it
in the ring. He kind of mumbled

441
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:37,559
it to us and and I was
like, whoa, that's my pr guy

442
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,559
guard. He came to me and
I said, you know, he has

443
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:49,759
the physical size and he's so unconventional
in his style. Who knows it would

444
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:53,559
be something very interesting in the future. And what about for Oscar? It's

445
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:56,799
a tough loss, but really,
I mean, there, you know,

446
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,559
I don't don't't think you could take
shame and losing an all out slug fest

447
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,200
like that North thing. You take
too much out of losing, you know,

448
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,039
being outboxed by shakor Stevenson. So
those are going to losses. He's

449
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,119
still, you know, a fighter
that I think evokes emotion from fans.

450
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,200
I think he's always been classy,
he's always put on a great performance when

451
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:22,200
you talk about somebody being telegemic,
and I mean that I and him grow,

452
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,839
you know, just really gutting it
out at the end. And there

453
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,039
was a point in the back half
of the fight. I don't know if

454
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,960
it was nine or ten or something
like that. I'm like, he's got

455
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,839
a real chance here, He's coming
on again. Where's this coming from?

456
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,119
Right? It wasn't. And I
was like, I think he hurt Navarette

457
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,640
late in the fight, and he's
such a warrior, he's such a classy

458
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,480
kid. I think you know,
it got it. You know, an

459
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,119
injury like that, an orbital socket
injury, has to like, he's got

460
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:56,119
to get some time, take it
off, reset see where he wants to

461
00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,359
go. But there's there's always going
to be a promising opportunity for him because

462
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,480
he brings it every time he gets
the right And the good news was,

463
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:04,720
from my understanding, it was not
broken. It just needs a little time

464
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:12,480
to rest up, was all right. I want to jump now about one

465
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:18,160
hundred pounds north and talk heavyweights,
where top rank is very involved. Uh,

466
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,680
you know has many of the top
fighters, top up and comers,

467
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,200
and is involved with some of these
fights that are coming up. So you

468
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:29,599
obviously co promote Tyson Fury the heavyweight
champion. You don't promote Alexander Usik,

469
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,240
and you don't promote Zang July,
but you are doing because of your top

470
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:37,759
rank ESPN alliance bringing in both of
their significant fights onto ESPN Plus. So

471
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:42,200
you have Usik's going to defend history
belts against Danga Dubois on August twenty six.

472
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,799
In September, on September twenty three, you're bringing in the fight between

473
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,759
Zang July rematch with Joe Joyce,
also for the WBO's interim titles, so

474
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:53,559
you have you have involved in all
of the dose top heavyweight fights. And

475
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:57,160
then of course next week on Saturday, the twenty sixth of August, you

476
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,880
have a triple header that will be
a couple of hours after the Usk fight

477
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:07,200
with Duba where you have the top
prospect undefeated Jared Interested against Andre Ridenko,

478
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:12,160
Faa Jagba, an Olympian against zen
Kosabutski, and your new signing the twenty

479
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:18,039
twenty Olympic super heavyweight gold medalist of
Baka Deer Joalolov in his first fight with

480
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:22,519
top ranks. So in terms of
the heavyweights. First of all, I

481
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:26,640
mean, this is clearly all this
action is by design. If I'm not,

482
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,880
I mean, it can't be an
accident that you're doing a heavyweight championship

483
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,440
fight on the same day that you're
doing uh, you know, the young

484
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:36,640
then I wouldn't call them young necessarily, but the night of like the heavyweight

485
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,400
newcomers or the up and combers,
however you want to describe them. So

486
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,880
tell me a little bit about your
your thoughts about the deep involvement you have

487
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,519
now in the heavyweight division. Well, I think, you know, I

488
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:49,079
think you're you're hitting on something that
not only is the heavyweights, but it's

489
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:52,680
been a little bit of a strategy
for us since Trate, you know,

490
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,359
and how we've looked at it,
and we've we've acknowledged and recognized that the

491
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:03,039
sport is bigger than one of us, and their fights all over the world

492
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,000
that are happening of significance, and
we felt that through our experience and expertise

493
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:15,599
and relationships in the space, that
we could build out and get the fans

494
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:22,240
in our environment with ESPN a great
platform to get a bite of everything right

495
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:25,960
and to be able to see the
USK fight because twenty years ago. I

496
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,720
remember when you would call me if
I can't believe I can't see this fight

497
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:32,759
from Europe. I got to watch
it over here. You're trying to get

498
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:37,160
some way to figure out and somebody
send you a tape. And I think

499
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,839
that's the beauty of today's modern media, right that we're able to stream things

500
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:48,440
seamlessly. We're all pick up quality
productions from all over the world, and

501
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,359
we're able to look at things no
different than the world of soccer when you're

502
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,359
seeing a bundest League match or a
Syria match or a Premier League match.

503
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,720
That is what boxing is. It's
that big. And this just happens to

504
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:06,200
be the heavyweight division, which is
always the most exciting division and one that

505
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,480
we've found ourselves in the center of, anchored around Tyson Fury, and we

506
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:15,279
love the Jared Anderson young prospect,
and we love the jabble off opportunities,

507
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:21,519
and we love, you know,
getting him being able to show music.

508
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,119
I think the last time we saw
music was when he was doubled up with

509
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,559
with he fought with Lomanchenko, right, yeah, that was here in my

510
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:36,680
neighborhood here. Yeah, that was
back in DC, right when we did

511
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,279
this whole you know, and we
haven't seen him on our platform, and

512
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:45,359
we think, like, hey,
if eventually a use Fury fight could happen,

513
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,440
it would be great to expose the
audience, the biggest audience in the

514
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,799
United States, to him. So, you know, with our partnership,

515
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:58,319
within relationships with the Queensberry they had
Dubois, and with our relationships with the

516
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,359
music people, we were able to
work this out. And obviously, you

517
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:07,559
know, Detroy saying fight just kind
of timing just kind of sets it all

518
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,119
up. So you have these great
matches hitting just between now and the end

519
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,680
of October that are going to keep
people on one platform and you know,

520
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,039
on the edge of their seat.
So do you think that if if things,

521
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,000
if Usik wins and he's the heavy
favorite, you don't know what nothing

522
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,160
against Daniel Dubas Tyson Fury, of
course, and we'll get to that in

523
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,119
just a minute. He's got his
fight, his crossover fight, if you

524
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,920
will, with Nagan who was coming
over from MMA to fight him in a

525
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,920
boxing match. But I mean,
a lot of us wanted to see the

526
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,079
understood the title fight, which hasn't
been a case in the heavyweight division where

527
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:40,880
there's been a undisputed title fight for
many, many years, going back to

528
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,759
the late nineties with the vander Holeyfield
and Lennox Lewis, and the fight didn't

529
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:47,160
take place to spring like a lot
of us hoped it would. Do you

530
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,440
think that if all goes well,
there's still that old door open for that

531
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:58,039
big fight to take place. I
think, so, I mean, I

532
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,599
don't. I never thought there was
a reason why it didn't happen the first

533
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:05,640
place. And I think there's a
lot of people to point the finger,

534
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,559
but I'd rather not just point the
finger. I'd rather do something about it.

535
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:13,400
And I think that's what everybody has
to do, is do something about

536
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:19,000
things rather than talk about things.
So I always felt like Fury and music

537
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:23,119
should happen, and Fury and Joshua
should happen, you know, just they

538
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:28,639
just it makes too much sense and
makes too much money, you know.

539
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,679
Yeah, well, I mean senses. You know. Sense is my my

540
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,440
in my lexicon is equals money.
At times. If it makes dollars,

541
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,039
that makes sense, right, it
makes dollars and sense I mean, I

542
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:49,400
mean sense meaning that you know,
the economics can be very good for everybody,

543
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,960
and sometimes you just you got to
go through. You know, you

544
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:58,519
got to. Sometimes they it's not
a direct line, I mean, and

545
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:04,000
we wish it was, but sometimes
it isn't. So I'm optimistic, Okay.

546
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,280
So I Fury goes forward with this
October fight against Francis Naganu, A

547
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,000
lot of fans absolutely hate it.
A lot of fans are somewhat intrigued because

548
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,760
of nagan who's prowess as a puncher
and MMA, and even though we've seen

549
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,840
these types of fights before, there's
still some sort of fantasy aspect to it.

550
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,000
Others like myself are sort of like, Okay, I'm not like,

551
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:25,320
I don't hate it. I don't
necessarily love it, but it's okay.

552
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,800
I you know, I'd rather see
Usik, but I kind of get it.

553
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,159
They're gonna make a huge amount of
money and all that. But where

554
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,400
do you stand on that? On
those types of fights where you've got the

555
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,400
MMA fighter coming over into boxing once
again, And I mean, I know

556
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,800
you would have preferred to see Usik
and Fury or Fury like Joshua like you

557
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,559
just mentioned, But tell me your
stand about your thoughts on these types of

558
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:50,800
crossover fights, particularly when it involves
the heavyweight champion who's not taking this fight

559
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,920
because there's no other big fight for
him. He has the opportunity. He

560
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,400
could have done a fight with Joshua, he could have done a fight with

561
00:35:55,519 --> 00:36:01,480
Usik. I listen, we can
get in a conversation that you're saying he

562
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:06,079
pass. I'm not blaming something.
I'm saying. I mean, I don't

563
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:07,639
want to. I don't want to
go that way because I have a lot

564
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:13,320
of insight into those matches being made, and I think there were everybody was

565
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,800
he He either could have made these
matches or people could have not made the

566
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,360
match. Okay, then take the
part take the part of that. I

567
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,920
just don't believe there's one perspective.
I think the thing is is Tyson arguably,

568
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,880
and then we could say is the
best heavyweight in the world. And

569
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,480
you know, people know how dangerous
he is as a fighter. He's big,

570
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:42,639
he's very quick handed, he's got
a great i Q. And nobody

571
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:46,599
disputes his talent at all. Right, what I'm saying is to make matches

572
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:51,400
for him isn't the easiest thing because
a lot of guys don't like that risk.

573
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,559
Right, you know how it is
riskverse reward, and that makes it

574
00:36:54,559 --> 00:37:00,639
complicated. So do I like do
I like the in GNUF I wasn't my

575
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:06,519
first choice, understand it, right, Obviously, Joshua and Musick make a

576
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:10,960
lot for us. It's been boxing
purists makes a lot of sense. But

577
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,599
you know, there are people and
you know, not in our space and

578
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:22,320
people. Ever since this got announced
last month, I've had many of people

579
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,079
that are not They said, are
you involved in the Ghana Fury fight?

580
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:30,159
That's so interesting? That's the layman, the sports fan. So it does

581
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,719
hit. It does hit a piece
of the audience that we may not normally

582
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,960
see follow them. Oh, there's
no question. I mean, my perspective

583
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,559
is there's lots of people that think
it's very interesting and lots of people that

584
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,840
don't love it, and then there's
peoples that are sort of like, Okay,

585
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,840
I mean, I'd rather sequencing,
but I'll take sort of this interesting

586
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:52,599
crossover fight with the MMA star alight
at the end of it. At the

587
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:55,960
end of the day, Dan,
I think the sport is better off with

588
00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:00,239
activity, right, And I always
out of sight, out of mind,

589
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:07,719
right, And I'd rather see the
guys in the ring fighting and engaging with

590
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,519
their fan base and building their fan
base or building the people to hate them,

591
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:16,599
right, getting some passion to vote
as a result of what their personality

592
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,559
is or their skill set, and
keeping them in the space. And I

593
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,320
think that's always a good thing for
the sport. I think it's a good

594
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,000
thing for fighters to keep sharp and
to keep their profile up there. All

595
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,679
right, So sticking with the heavyweights
for just another minute. You have,

596
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:35,199
as we mentioned, that Jared Anderson
headline card August twenty six that's gonna follow

597
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:37,880
what happens in Poland between USA and
Dubas, and Jared, of course is

598
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,920
the guy in the main event against
Rodenko, and I just wonder what you

599
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,760
you know. Jared is coming back
on rather quickly by our standards today fight

600
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:49,679
August twenty six, having come off
a victory over Charles Martin on July first,

601
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,880
and I just wondered your take on
the fight with Martin, because look,

602
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,920
he won the fight. It was
a late replacement. He still won

603
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:59,519
going away in the cards, but
clearly it was about as difficult to fight

604
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:00,920
as there was for a guy that
one basically almost by a shut out.

605
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:06,719
What were your thoughts about the troubles, at least briefly that Anderson, some

606
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,000
might say, was exposed others would
say, Wow, he overcame and persevered

607
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,239
and now we know a lot more
about him. Where do you fall on

608
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:17,079
Anderson's development based on what you saw
against Charles Martin? I think I think

609
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:22,639
what you saw is exactly what you
want, right. You want a fighter

610
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,400
who's young and to have going with
the kg experience guy and you want them

611
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,760
to have adversity. You wanted to
get him off of the of the stool

612
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:37,719
in rounds seven, eight, nine, ten. You want to see how

613
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,960
he responds. You want to see
how his cardiovascularly does. You want to

614
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,559
see him have different looks from a
guy that's gonna give him different looks as

615
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:50,519
a fighter who has been at the
thought at the highest level. And that's

616
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:57,320
part of that, just fine tuning
that our matchmakers are really good at and

617
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:04,440
for to take to have that fight
and to perform the way he did and

618
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,920
to come back in the quick nature
is just going to make him that much

619
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:13,079
of a better fighter over the long
period of time. That is an important

620
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:17,559
element. The frequency and the ability
for him to be active in staying in

621
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:22,559
the gym and coming back is going
to accelerate him so that he could be

622
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:29,360
fighting at the highest level right in
with the top guys quicker than fighting twice

623
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,920
a year. And if he can
the more fights he can get in in

624
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,760
a year and learn his trade and
get the experience, the better he's going

625
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,719
to be. And that's all you
want to do, is you want to

626
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,800
get these guys, put them in
position to be prepared so that when that

627
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:49,199
door opens, they step through it
and they either take advantage of it or

628
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,719
they don't, but they're prepared for
those big fights in those big moments,

629
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,760
all right. So moving down from
heavyweight we get to the light heavyweight division.

630
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,000
Very unfortunate that you had to postpone
the Arthur better Be a light heavyweight

631
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,760
title defense against Callum Smith, which
was supposed to be just this past weekend.

632
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:07,880
It's rescheduled for January thirteenth. A
very good fight obviously. And I

633
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,079
wonder though, I mean, we've
seen lots of unifications in the sport.

634
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:15,159
You have some coming up on your
calendar, you just did other ones,

635
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:19,000
There's been other ones in the sport
from other companies. How realistic do you

636
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:22,360
think it is to make really the
biggest fight in light heavyweight division that diehards

637
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,920
definitely want to see, Which is
another undisputed championship fight between Arthur BEDDERBEV and

638
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,760
Dmitri Beebo, who's sort of gonemia
since being the consensus fighter of the Year

639
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,000
for twenty twenty two, he's not
fought this year, unfortunately, so.

640
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:38,280
But that's obviously attractive fight. But
I know it's not the easiest fight to

641
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,840
make it. Maybe NOD doesn't have
the biggest ability to generate the kind of

642
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,800
big time money that these two guys
would like to make, and as well

643
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,440
as the promoters and everybody else involved. But how do you handicap the prospect

644
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,360
of we are ever getting to see
that fight in the near future. You

645
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,159
know, I think there's you know, I think we've we've had conversations about

646
00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:01,480
doing the fight, and when you
have conversations, I always consider that to

647
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:07,119
be the right first step. You
know. It's when there are no conversation

648
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,639
stations and people are dismissive, you
know, when we talked about the old

649
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:15,599
ear of cold Wars and one guy
not walking from one side of the street

650
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:19,599
to the other side of the street, I think we're seeing less of that,

651
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,039
which I think is good for the
overall sport and for the good for

652
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:28,679
getting the best fights on for the
fans that are right craving for it.

653
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:32,800
So I like the fact that we're
having conversations or if we've had them,

654
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:40,559
how serious are they though, Well, I mean, it's it's it was

655
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:45,280
kind of hard to have a serious
conversation when we knew there was a mandatory

656
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:51,920
right that was sitting there. So
just just having an open dialogue is very

657
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,519
important and just saying hey, let's
just see how things come out and things

658
00:42:55,559 --> 00:43:04,360
and my team and has been in
regular contact with them and just discussing possibilities.

659
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:09,840
And I think that, you know, at some point it does make

660
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:17,480
sense. But I think that you
know, it's one that obviously obviously has

661
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:24,960
to be facilitated by the economics and
what everybody thinks the fight is worth and

662
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,840
where we when we can do it
and where we can do it. I

663
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,239
got you. I mean that's pretty
clear. I think. I mean,

664
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:37,000
I mean, befall, you know, came off of a brilliant performance against

665
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:44,400
arguably the biggest attraction pay per view
attraction single athlete that we've seen over the

666
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,119
last decade, and that was Cannella, and therefore he has certain expectations.

667
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,039
Well, and then he followed then
he followed it up by the way that

668
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,760
another big time paid in the Middle
East against Zero Ramirez. You're a former

669
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,559
fighter, Yeah yeah, but regardless, I mean I'm really seeing you know,

670
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:02,639
so you know, it's you usually
see the natural progression and the expectations

671
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,400
of athletes and everybody is when then
right, when you beat this guy,

672
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:13,400
then you right, you, then
your profile everything goes up. So I

673
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,800
think those are things that you know, we have to consider and everybody has

674
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:21,159
to try to manage to get think
a big match. So here we talk

675
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:23,920
about the prospect of that unification.
You've done other ones. We've just discussed

676
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,119
that before, about all these different
possibilities, and here we go down in

677
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,880
the middleweight division, which is in
my mind pretty desolate. I just wrote

678
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,239
a column that that outlined how desolate
the middleweight division is in terms of the

679
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,360
lack of big names, the lack
of star power, particularly with the Triple

680
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,679
G basically being I'd say semi retirement
is how I term it. So you

681
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:50,159
have your fighter, jannebec the WBO
champion, the unknown obscure who nobody's ever

682
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,599
seen, who wasn't even televised in
his own country when he won the vacant

683
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:58,320
IBF title. Vincenzo Gulatieri, who
won the IBF belt not that long ago,

684
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,920
beat your guy, Keeva Falca,
and now suddenly you're making a unification

685
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,840
between the two guys, and it
sort of like came out of nowhere.

686
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,639
Uh? Is it a matter of
like neither one of those fighters has like

687
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:13,440
a natural opponent in the weight class. There's not a lot of star power.

688
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,079
I presume that relatively speaking, it's
not a super expensive fight by unification

689
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:20,719
standards, and it was sort of
like, hey, why not do this

690
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,440
and and maybe one of these guys
can raise their profile. Yeah, I

691
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:30,199
mean, I think I think one
of the things, one of the things

692
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,400
that we you know, we manage
here is you know, I always say

693
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,239
this, right, it's like I
don't chase the money. We kind of

694
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:44,079
create the money, right, And
if we can create something around janebec which

695
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:49,840
is obviously he you know, it's
it's it's a skilled fighter in a weight

696
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:55,159
class that doesn't have much opportunity or
much you know, much high profile names

697
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:59,000
that you could are natural. People
called him the book in the end of

698
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,960
the division because he's dangerous and he's
got quick hands and he's got skill.

699
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,760
So what we do is we just
try to do the best we can,

700
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:14,679
and in going through the opponents,
you know, why not try to rally

701
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:20,360
up the you know, the best
available guy with a title that means something

702
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,000
to janebec right and his team was
very interested in doing the fight, and

703
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:28,920
we felt like, listen, if
we're going to do that, why not

704
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,039
if we're just going to get an
opponent, or we can get an opponent

705
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:38,199
that has a little hardware around his
way his waist, it makes it sexier

706
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:44,239
and it makes it more compelling,
and it's better the Fighter's what the fighter

707
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,800
wants and his team. So we
facilitated and that, you know, by

708
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,760
a unification standards. Maybe I'm wrong
because I wasn't there in the room when

709
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,639
it was getting made, but from
where I look at, kind of was

710
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:58,679
made pretty easily and pretty quickly.
Yeah, I mean I think it was.

711
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,440
It was made pretty easily and pretty
quickly because, like we talked about,

712
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:07,480
the opportunities for somebody who was relatively
an unknown that wins the fight,

713
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:13,079
you know, against Falco, who
had a little profile but largely from his

714
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:17,679
Brazilian roots, you know, made
it possible if he didn't have that many

715
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:23,599
other opportunities. You probably wouldn't have
taken the fight, and he took the

716
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:30,920
fight because of as as you just
said, money exactly exactly. Now,

717
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,039
I want to ask you about a
fight that you didn't You didn't promote,

718
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,840
but you in some ways had a
lot to do with making it become what

719
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,719
it became. You promoted Terrence craw
for most of his career. You guys

720
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:44,800
did a lot of his fights,
from the time he was lightweight champion,

721
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:50,320
through the undisputed junior welterweight title,
and through his welterweight Tyleerraine. We don't

722
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,280
have to rehash the history there.
There was a lot of demand and interest

723
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,639
on the fans behalf to see him
fight Errol Spence. It did not happen

724
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:59,599
for quite a while, but they
did finally fight. Top rank was not

725
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:04,440
involved. He dominated, He looked
fantastic, Hall of Fame level kind of

726
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,519
performance, stopped Errol Spence, and
the fight also had significant commercial success.

727
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:12,599
I just wonder what was your thoughts
about about raw I mean, I know

728
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:15,280
you always thought Crawford was capable of
that type of performance. You and I

729
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,519
have talked about that, you know, privately and many times over the years.

730
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,760
Just your your take on Crawford doing
what he did a guy you know

731
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,840
very well. And also the commercial
success of the event, which was always

732
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,000
sort of a thing that there was
questions about when Top Rank was promoting because

733
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:36,440
you never had the opportunity to put
him in the biggest fights. Well,

734
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,880
I mean, I that's I'm not
I'm not sure about that, but well,

735
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,280
I just mean you didn't have you
didn't have the top names. That's

736
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,440
all I'm saying. It doesn't matter. It's like it's like listen, it's

737
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:52,239
you know, it's it. You
know, we pride ourselves on trying to

738
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,480
make the biggest fights out. They're
regardless if they're under our umbrella or not,

739
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:01,519
all right, and that's our objective. And you know, and sudden

740
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:07,079
people don't want to do that.
And I think the I think it was

741
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,239
an obvious thing. We always liked
Terrence, My matchmakers always liked Terrence over

742
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:15,599
Errol, and I think the other
side of the street, and you realized,

743
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:16,800
like, hey, the risk is
too much for us. We don't

744
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:22,159
want to take that risk, and
so they just held out and held out

745
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:28,480
and held out until Terrence became available
and went ahead and did it himself and

746
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:32,559
that's their prerogative, that's their game
plan, you know, and sometimes it

747
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:37,000
lines up and sometimes it doesn't line
up. I'm not surprised he looks.

748
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,320
So I'm a little surprised he dominated
the way he did, right, because

749
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,480
I felt like we always felt like
Errol had. You know, Terence was

750
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:52,039
relatively a smaller guy moving up and
wait and you saw with the Porter fight.

751
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,599
You know that when bigger guys came
at him, you know, he

752
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,679
you know, they were tough fights
for him, you know, the physical

753
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,119
n We thought Errol would always have
that physical advantage over him, but you

754
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:07,320
know, he took He just took
full advantage of him. You know,

755
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,119
from was a round two on.
I mean, I think he was pretty

756
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:15,719
dominant. And I think more than
anything, I was more surprised by the

757
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,599
dominant performance. Thought he would always
win, but didn't think he would just

758
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:23,800
dominant the way it ended up.
Again, a reminder, you're listening to

759
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:29,199
Dan, Raphael and Todd the Buff
here a lengthy conversation about top ranks plan.

760
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,920
But this is good stuff. Plenty
more of that conversation, and we're

761
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:37,880
back with some nostalgia on the back
side of this that Dan is particularly pumped

762
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,719
up about stay tuned for that.
But back now to his conversation in progress

763
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,480
here, and what about your thoughts
on the You know, what they say

764
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:51,599
is of a significant commercial success,
which Arrol has had commercial success, but

765
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:54,119
not at that level. And Crawford, Uh, you know, it's been

766
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:59,440
well document that it wasn't. I
mean, whatever the commercial success is,

767
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,920
it's it's kind of a black box. I don't know, and it's about

768
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,760
my event. I don't know exactly
what it did. But I reported six

769
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:13,599
hundred and fifty thousand pay per views
roughly, so it's it's it's and by

770
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,280
the way, and at twenty one
million dollars, whatever the results are,

771
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:22,360
it's positive because it just shows the
job that we had done elevating you know,

772
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,960
obviously Terrence's career, and the job
that PPC had done, you know,

773
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:30,880
building up Errol Spence and just showed
that when you put a good fight

774
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:38,719
on and they have fans not necessarily
want to just see guys fight SOCO opponents,

775
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,519
they want to see him fight the
best guys. They'll show up and

776
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,400
they'll pay. So I think that's
a big, very big success and probably

777
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,599
a little bit of a template for
all of us to follow. So while

778
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:52,800
you don't have a ton of guys
in the welterweight division now that Crawford is

779
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,639
not with you anymore, but at
one hundred and forty pounds, you have

780
00:51:54,639 --> 00:52:00,280
the champion to your female Lopez,
you got uh top contenders. I know

781
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,159
Josie Ramirez. Uh, you know
whether Arnold Barboza is going to be afraid

782
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,360
or not. You know, I'm
not quite sure what the status of his

783
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,000
situation is. But the point is
there's interesting fights to be made there.

784
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:13,840
You've worked with Devin Haney, he's
moving up to one forty. I know

785
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,239
there's issues and finalizing the fight that
supposedly was happening with program, And I

786
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:22,079
just wonder, is there a chance
that maybe we could see Tiafimo against Devin

787
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:25,280
Haney in the next fight. Might
we see him against Josie Ramirez? Might

788
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,920
we see him against Barboza? Has
he taken the rest of the year off?

789
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,800
I mean, what's his status?
Well, we put we play play

790
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,559
a very big piece in the one
hundred and forty pound division, the hundred

791
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:42,280
and thirty five pound division, which
is growing their forty pound division. Right.

792
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,039
Tiafimo's performance over Josh Taylor was you
know, you looked like the old

793
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:52,400
Tiafimo back right. We hadn't seen
that that one in that performance and that

794
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:54,400
fight Jurne in a while, and
it was good to see it. And

795
00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:01,760
I think his performances, I think, you know, the def and Haney,

796
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:06,400
obviously, we have a relationship with
him, and we tried to make

797
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,880
either matches with Shakur or a match
with Loma, and he chose to move

798
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:16,440
up in wait. But obviously we
would love to see him in two and

799
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:22,320
the Jose Ramirez is out there,
the guys of one forties, just there's

800
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,079
just so much opportunity. And by
the way, you know, I see

801
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:30,760
Shakur and I see how big he
is. I wouldn't be surprised in twelve

802
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,239
months from now if we're talking about
him moving up, right, I'm thinking

803
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,559
more in the shorter term. So, I mean, I know we've listened

804
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:38,440
to a female situation has been well
documented. He was going to retire.

805
00:53:38,679 --> 00:53:43,719
He's having his issues outside the ring
in terms of dealing with his divorce and

806
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,880
the custody and all that business.
And that's obviously personal and important that you

807
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,760
got to take care of that.
But do you think we're going to see

808
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,320
him in the ring before the end
of the year, and if he is,

809
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,559
can we see him one of those
bigger fights, particularly Haney if the

810
00:53:52,559 --> 00:54:00,320
program fight isn't finalized. Listen,
we can only give opportunities to the leads.

811
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:05,559
They have to decide if they want
to take them. So obviously we

812
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:08,559
want to make sure his mental well
being is the best, and he's got

813
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:13,360
his personal stuff. All sort of
situations sword out, so he's going to

814
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,920
make some decisions. We would hope
to see him before the end of the

815
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,119
year, but those are going to
be decisions that he and his family and

816
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:23,360
his team are going to make.
It understood, And you mentioned about your

817
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,239
core. Now he may, like
you said, maybe he will be one

818
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,719
hundred and forty in the not too
distant future. I'm sure he will be.

819
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,840
But right now he's at lightweight and
with Haney being made the WBC's I

820
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,559
Guess Champion in recess, which opens
up Shakur to fight for the vacant title

821
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,920
against whoever their next leading contender is. What can you tell me about what's

822
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,800
in store for him the next fight. I can tell you he's fighting in

823
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,719
the next couple of months. I'm
not going to tell you who it is.

824
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:49,760
That's to I let's make a little
news. I mean, obviously,

825
00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:52,360
I'm not going to tell you who
it is. Do you do you know

826
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:59,119
who it is yet? I'm not
going to say can I can't give to

827
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,400
be all my secret. You haven't
given me any yet. I'm gonna keep

828
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,400
it that way. I mean maybe
a Loma Tako, I don't know.

829
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,079
I have to take a look at
the WC ranks, and Alma's up there

830
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:10,360
pretty high up. And he's your
guy. Also, Yeah, well we're

831
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:15,760
gonna we're gonna try to We're gonna
try to close some matches. Yeah,

832
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,239
we close some of the stuff out
in the next week so that we could

833
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,880
bring some some Relli appillion stuff.
And you know, Shakur is just so

834
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,719
elite, so elite, I mean
todd, he's a favorite. I mean,

835
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,920
no offense to anybody else in boxing
and those weight classes, but from

836
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:37,000
I don't know, one hundred and
forty below, he probably would be a

837
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:40,039
heavy favorite against anybody, including Timo
Lopez, including against Devon Ainey, including

838
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:44,519
against Regis program. You name it, am I wrong? I listen?

839
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:50,320
I he he has a he is
brilliant in the ring. He is absolutely

840
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:58,639
brilliant. He's got incredible offense defense
i Q you know he he just keep

841
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:01,760
showing it and the better of the
fighters, the better he shows up.

842
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:07,480
That is so obvious with him.
And the other thing that we're seeing,

843
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:10,639
I think even more importantly is what
we saw early on when he came out

844
00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:15,519
of the Olympics was he wasn't he
hadn't grown into his body yet. Well

845
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:20,840
he has now now where he has
now and you can really see that maturation

846
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,239
really coming to and it puts it
all together. That's what makes him probably

847
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,960
one of the best fighters in the
world. So our recent fight that you

848
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,000
were involved in, and I want
to wrap up with this particular topic,

849
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:36,239
is you are the American promoter for
a Noya in a way who looked absolutely

850
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,239
spectacular in knocking out Stephen Fulton just
a few days before Terrence Crawford did what

851
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,519
he did against Arrow Spence. I
know that you're a big in a way

852
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,239
supporter, you know you think the
world of him. Just tell give me

853
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,639
your take on where this guy fits
in, because he has been spectacular from

854
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:55,880
one hundred eight pounds now all the
way up to one hundred and twenty two

855
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:02,360
pounds and just looks like a machine. You know, I would say this

856
00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:07,440
three years ago when I saw him
for the first time live. I think

857
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:13,239
it was three years ago around that
when he thought Maloney in Las Vegas during

858
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:19,360
the COVID he had this a he
has a swagger about him that's amazing.

859
00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:24,000
He just comes in has this very
competent swagger. But just to watch him

860
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:30,199
fight live, it's a little different
when you see somebody alive and then you

861
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:34,280
know you're watching it on TV because
you don't have the announcers giving the hyperbole

862
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,400
about each job and each right hand, and you see him and you see

863
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:45,199
the power in both hands, the
speed, the positioning, his aggressive nature's

864
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:52,599
this is just phenomenal talent, phenomenal
and you know, also a mindset that

865
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:58,199
is so determined just to take over
whoever and whatever stands in front of him.

866
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,480
Is he at his weight? Do
you think in terms of Whinny keep

867
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:04,440
going up higher? Or is one
twenty two? And I say that because

868
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,960
I covered pack yow going from you
know, I first covered Packy at one

869
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,480
twenty two, even though he'd been
a champion at one twelve. But all

870
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,920
the way through, you know,
when he became a title holder in the

871
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,320
German middleweight division. I don't know
where in a ways, where do you

872
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,920
think his ceiling is in terms of
the wait, I think twenty six I

873
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,199
could definitely see. I'm not sure
about thirty, but twenty six I could

874
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:28,519
definitely see. And I think they've
even said, yeah, twenty six is

875
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:31,199
our limit. I think after the
Bolton fight they said something like one twenty

876
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:36,639
six would probably be the max we
would go to. But you know,

877
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:38,519
speaking of pack Yow, you know, I was looking at him like he

878
00:58:38,679 --> 00:58:42,920
is. Is he a pack out
fighter? Is he's similar? He has

879
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,239
that explosiveness, but he's different.
He has he doesn't get hit as much

880
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:52,119
as Manny did. Manny would walk
into some shots. He darts. I

881
00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:55,239
think a little bit of their legs, the way they dart in and out

882
00:58:55,360 --> 00:59:00,960
is similar. But I think overall, in a way just has Probably he's

883
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:07,519
a more he's a more conventional fighter
than Manny who had this awkward nature to

884
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:10,280
being the south paw where he was
darting in and out and hitting me with

885
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,719
powerful shots from those sides. So
it's the next fight that we see for

886
00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:16,880
in a way, I mean the
rumor, the word on the street,

887
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:22,320
so to speak, is come that
that December New Year's time frame where there's

888
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,639
always big fights in Japan. That'll
be in a way versus Marlin to Polace

889
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:30,280
to become you know, for the
undisputed title, because the pols as the

890
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,519
other two belts. Yeah, I
think that's I think that's what they're leaning

891
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:37,480
towards. I mean, that's what
they I mean obviously talked about in the

892
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:42,440
ring right after the fight. He
was there at the ring side. I

893
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,440
think it's a fight that in a
way would love and I think that's Pallas

894
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:52,159
people would like it. So let's
hope that we can help facilitate make that

895
00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:57,000
match and sometime in December, who's
number one pound for pound in a way

896
00:59:57,079 --> 01:00:07,000
or Terrence Crawford, Well, come
on now you can do it. Yeah,

897
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:14,840
I I you know, I'm I'm
in a in a very very difficult

898
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:20,400
situation. I would because I know
I know what I would say, But

899
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:22,800
if I say it, then I'm
going to be like, oh, you

900
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:27,039
know you Yeah, listen, I'll
just say to this and I'll tell the

901
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:30,960
people who are listening, I've known
you for over twenty years and we've had

902
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:35,320
numerous conversations just on our takes on
boxing, and it is my opinion,

903
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,199
and I don't know probably thousands of
conversations that you are You're honest when you

904
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:43,159
assess your fighter, sometimes to a
fault. So if you tell me you

905
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:45,400
think it's in a way, I
will believe you. I think I think

906
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:50,760
I think that, in a way
is the best the best fighter I've seen

907
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:54,599
in my thirty years as a professional
fighter. That's as a promoter. You

908
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:58,800
mean as a promoter, Yeah,
since I've been in the business, So

909
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:04,320
that includes Pack, my two Hall
of Fame matchmakers. If I was crazy

910
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,840
for thinking that three years ago,
and they reminded me after the Fulton fight,

911
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,239
they said, you are not crazy
for thinking that he's that good.

912
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:16,280
That's just are my feelings. Okay, So just I want to be clear

913
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,760
about that. You're You've been in
the promotion business about thirty years, and

914
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,559
in that time frame, you have
promoted Manny Pack, how you have promoted

915
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:29,000
Floyd Mayweather, You have promoted obviously
Terrence Crawford, You have promoted any number

916
01:01:29,079 --> 01:01:31,400
of Hall of Fame fighters. We
can go on down on a massive list.

917
01:01:32,039 --> 01:01:35,760
You're saying to me, you think
that that, in a way is

918
01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:42,440
numero above, Floyd above, Manny
above. I think for my eye,

919
01:01:42,599 --> 01:01:45,599
for my eye, which is I
like an aggressive fighter. I've always loved

920
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:50,800
the guy coming forward and being powerful, and think, to me, he

921
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,920
is to me with power in both
hands, speed, IQ, defense,

922
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:01,079
offense, pressure key. To me, is the best fighter I have seen

923
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:07,280
in since nineteen ninety three. But
that's just my opinion and my my butt.

924
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,159
My match makers did tell me I
wasn't crazy. Well, I mean,

925
01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:13,880
look, I mean you mentioned you're
two holiday matchmakers, Bruce Trampler and

926
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,480
Brad Goodman. They obviously know what
they're looking at. Yeah, I mean,

927
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:22,039
he's just you know, I said
to this originally, and I'll never

928
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:24,159
forget when the first time I saw
a Costa Zoo step in the ring,

929
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:29,480
I was like, whoa, this
is amazing. I mean he just had

930
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:35,199
he he flipped over the rope.
He had these powerful like each each hand

931
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:42,320
was bam bam like speed and power. It was the wow factor, similar

932
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:47,119
wow factor. But this kid's got
even more, way more. Well hopefully

933
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:51,280
you can make that the police fighting
will see him potentially be in two division

934
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,039
undisputed champion, which seems to be
all the rage of these days, given

935
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:55,960
that Crawford just did it, and
Charlotte is going to attempt to do that

936
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,360
against Canello and maybe we'll see in
a way try it against to Polis,

937
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:05,440
you know, to becoming disputed in
the second weight class. Yeah, well

938
01:03:05,719 --> 01:03:07,719
we will see. And I think
he if anybody has a chance to see

939
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,920
him in a way live, it's
really a pleasure. It's something special.

940
01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:15,039
If you watch him on TV,
enjoy it too, because it is special

941
01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:17,000
there too. Yeah, no doubt. Listen. I got a chance to

942
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,280
see him live when he had his
first fight in the United States in California

943
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,360
several years ago, and you knew
there was something special. I don't know

944
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:24,280
if I thought it was this special, but you could definitely tell he was

945
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,559
a little bit different than your normal
you know. And and let's go we

946
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:31,559
can talk about the heaters, the
people that go go get negative. You

947
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:36,760
know. I was at the Je
Naro fight, the first one, and

948
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,519
you know, you look at the
performance he had and assume he was only

949
01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:46,519
at sixty percent because when he got
hit in the second round, he fought

950
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:51,440
handicapped for the rest of that fight, right because he had the orbit he

951
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:53,760
had the eye thing. So he
I mean, which was it wasn't nothing

952
01:03:53,840 --> 01:04:00,920
illegal, no excuses. But what
he's how he's still performed under those circumstances

953
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:08,079
was just miraculous, unbelievable. Like
you said, terrific fighter, and uh,

954
01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:10,760
you are the terrific one. I
thank you very much for your time

955
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,760
and going over all these topics.
Look, I thought we were gonna do

956
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,599
not quite this long, but I
appreciate it very much. I'm glad we're

957
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:17,960
gonna You told me fifteen minutes,
so you owe me forty five minutes back

958
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,000
in my life. Yeah, well
we'll get it. We can't carry that

959
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:23,599
down the road anyway. Thank you
very much for doing this. I appreciate

960
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:26,760
it. All right, you got
it. Bye bye. So once more,

961
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:30,679
that was lengthy worth it. We
thank him for his time. He

962
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,679
was at your wedding. That's fantastic. You've had a long relationship with him,

963
01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:36,519
and you could tell in that conversation
that's a lot of good stuff for

964
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:41,519
fight fans. There's no doubt.
Oh yeah, listen, I mean you

965
01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:44,440
know one thing. I you know, when when people talk top ranking,

966
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,199
it's usually Bob Aram. You know
who's the boss. That's his company.

967
01:04:46,239 --> 01:04:49,320
Todd is his stepson. You know, Bob does a lot of the public

968
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,960
face stuff, a lot of the
speaking. You know, he's got a

969
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,800
great quote. Obviously, I've interviewed
Bob with thousands of times probably in my

970
01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:00,679
career. Todd has generally kept a
lower profile when it comes to doing uh

971
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,760
interviews and having a lot to say
publicly, Let's put it like that,

972
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,400
even though he's doing a lot of
the work behind the scenes. So it's

973
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,519
good to hear hear from him also, uh, you know what he thinks

974
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:13,960
because he's got a lot to say
so over the direction of that company,

975
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,519
over the types of fights that they
do, the type of money they spend,

976
01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:18,679
the type of fighters that they sign, and uh and does a lot

977
01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:23,960
of that day to day kind of
stuff. So you know, his opinions

978
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,239
and what he thinks is realistic in
terms of what top rank can do is

979
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,280
every bit as important as anybody else
at the company. Love it. One

980
01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:38,039
final piece of business here, and
that is nostalgia. And it was good

981
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:42,079
lord forty two years ago that we've
been talking a lot about Salvador Sanchez recently

982
01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:45,840
on these podcasts, and unfortunately the
anniversary of his death was recent in the

983
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:51,280
car accident back what forty one years
ago So this is this is arguably his

984
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,960
most famous fight that we're about to
talk about. Monday is the forty second

985
01:05:56,039 --> 01:06:00,679
anniversary of Sanchez. Is TKO of
Wilfredo Gomez and ray Fael lit up like

986
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:04,480
the fourth of July. I get
to talk about Salvador Sanchez Wilfredo Gomez,

987
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:09,000
and I've got a tie in with
my memorabilia and what I'm looking for.

988
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:13,079
Yes, I know you are pumped
to get to talk about this for a

989
01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:15,559
couple of minutes, So go for
it. On the legends, on the

990
01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:19,679
legend Salvador Sanchez and a tremendous champion
in will Fredo Gomez that he beat forty

991
01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:23,320
two years ago Monday. Well,
first of all, I don't even think

992
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,599
you could say it's arguably his biggest
win or his biggest fight. I don't

993
01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:30,199
think there's absolutely any question about it. Salvador Sanchez was forty four one and

994
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:34,719
one with thirty two knockouts, and
that was definitely his biggest fight. That

995
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:40,440
was a huge fight for boxing,
for his legacy. Well, Fredo Gomez,

996
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,119
I don't think people are gonna appreciate
him either when he First of all,

997
01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:45,920
a couple of things. Number one, it's not the first one,

998
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,920
and it certainly wasn't the last one, but it's maybe the most at least

999
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:53,159
at that time frame in the in
the like late seventies into the eighties,

1000
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:58,480
without question, like the quintessential Puerto
Rico versus Mexico rivalry fight. I mean,

1001
01:06:58,719 --> 01:07:00,760
there's a lot of conversation anytime you
see that type of matchup and boxing

1002
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,719
at a high level, whether it's
you know, Canelo Alvarez against Miguel Codo

1003
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,440
in you know, somewhat recent times, there's a lot of fights like that.

1004
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,559
We could talk about Jabez against Camacho. I mean, there's a ton

1005
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:16,920
of those types of fights. Wilfredo
Gomezo against Salvador Sanchez. Again, it

1006
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,239
wasn't the one that kicked off the
rivalry, but it was it's sorted the

1007
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:26,360
poster child for the rivalry in many
ways, so obviously Gomez being Puerto Rican

1008
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,360
and Sanchez being Mexican. Wilfredo Gomez, by the way, going into that

1009
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,559
fight was thirty two zero and one
and at a long track record as the

1010
01:07:34,639 --> 01:07:39,679
junior featherweight world champion, one of
the greatest punchers that we've ever seen in

1011
01:07:39,719 --> 01:07:43,280
boxing. I mean, he finished
his career Wilfredo Gomez with forty four wins

1012
01:07:43,519 --> 01:07:45,639
and won forty two of them by
knockout, and he lost three times,

1013
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:49,320
one of them by knockout the Salvador
Sanchez. So this was a big time

1014
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:54,719
fight. This is like the legit
junior featherweight champion going up and wait to

1015
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:59,440
fight the legit featherweight champion in Las
Vegas at the Fames Caesar's Palace Sports Pavilion,

1016
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,320
the indoor spot, which I unfortunately
never got a chance to cover a

1017
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:06,639
fight in. My only experience was
when they used that building as the press

1018
01:08:06,719 --> 01:08:12,480
room when Roy Jones fought John Ruiz. But it's a very famous location.

1019
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:15,960
Lots of great fights in the seventies
and eighties took place there. Larry Holmes

1020
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,079
against Kenny Norton. There's a million
great fights. It took place wilfred Benitez

1021
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:24,159
around that time as well. And
yes, uh no doubt about it when

1022
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:28,640
uh you know, on that undercard
Marvin Hagler with a draw against Antapharmo for

1023
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,560
the title, which was a terrible
decision. Anyway, we'll get that's a

1024
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,199
that's a nostalgia for another day,
I guess. But anyway, so this

1025
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:40,239
was a big time fight, and
it turned it was a hugely hyped up

1026
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:43,760
fight. If you ever watched the
video, you had like the battle of

1027
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,840
the bands before the fight, where
you had like the mariachi band and in

1028
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,920
favor of Sanchez against the I guess
it was a salsa band playing for for

1029
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,880
Gomez and they were trying to play
at the same time. It was,

1030
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:56,640
you know, a don King spectacular
and uh, you know, I have

1031
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,479
obsessed about this fight for a long
period of time in my life, so

1032
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:04,640
other than my obsession with the Four
Kings fights of Leonard and Durant and Hagler

1033
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:10,319
and Hearns and collecting the memorability and
watching the videos and watching the documentaries and

1034
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,680
talking about it and studying it and
reading the books about it, like Gomez

1035
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,800
and Sanchez. Maybe not to me
at that level, but it's one of

1036
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,760
those fights where I have obsessed about
it. And it turned out to be

1037
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,560
a tremendous fight and staphere there were. Sanchez won by eighth round knockout.

1038
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,439
He scored knockdowns against Gomez in the
first round in the eighth round, and

1039
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,039
you know, like you said,
it's as big as win. So I

1040
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:33,000
just love that fight. It crowned
him as whatever you thought about Sanchez going

1041
01:09:33,039 --> 01:09:36,880
into the fight, he proved the
point against the undefeated Gomez in that fight.

1042
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:44,119
So I still remember watching Salvador Sanchez
fighting on Network TV on CBS,

1043
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,239
and he fought Danny little Red Lopez
in one of those and one may have

1044
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:51,560
been on ABC with Howard Cosell,
I think, and the other one was

1045
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,319
on CBS, but they were on
network TV. That's where you were getting

1046
01:09:55,319 --> 01:09:58,920
introduced to him. I can't remember. Maybe you know it on the spot

1047
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,359
or not. Was this one live
network TV or was this like a pay

1048
01:10:01,399 --> 01:10:05,600
per view type thing that they did
days later on tape delay on that weekend.

1049
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:10,760
I can't remember. This fight was
actually originally shown on closed circuit television,

1050
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,359
so if you wanted to watch a
live you had to go to a

1051
01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:16,720
movie theater or a restaurant that had
a closed circuit some little close certain locations.

1052
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:21,159
They showed it at race tracks and
at movie houses and some sports bars

1053
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:25,760
and whatever. There was no back
in nineteen eighty one. You know,

1054
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,359
there may have been some small group
of homes in the United States and had

1055
01:10:29,399 --> 01:10:31,279
access to a pay per view in
their home. I don't think it was

1056
01:10:31,399 --> 01:10:34,479
extremely extremely rare. You gotta go. And by the way, it wasn't

1057
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:39,439
like it wasn't an affront to anybody. That was if you followed boxing,

1058
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,479
the biggest fights, like we have
pay per view that where you can call

1059
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,239
it up on your phone and then
back you know, not that long ago,

1060
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:47,880
most people would just click it up
on their TV and do it like

1061
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,600
that. Back then, you know, you went out to the to the

1062
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,319
movie house or to the to the
restaurant of the bar or whatever you and

1063
01:10:55,359 --> 01:10:58,239
you watched it. It was a
small cover charge and you watched the fight,

1064
01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:01,079
and that was what Savador Sanchez and
Afredo Gomez did. I believe it

1065
01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:04,560
was shown later on tape the lay
basis on one of the networks, and

1066
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,439
I think it was Howard coach Sell
if I if I remember quickly, it's

1067
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,680
I think yeah, and the original
call it was not. It was the

1068
01:11:13,079 --> 01:11:16,680
was the Don King's announcers, the
current Colonel Bob Sheridan and the guys that

1069
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,920
he worked with. Uh. But
I just like I said, I'm obsessed

1070
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,199
about the fight. So some people
obviously if you listened to the show where

1071
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:26,000
you read my subsect, you know
I'm a memorabilia collector. So for a

1072
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,520
long time, some of the things
on my on my must have list and

1073
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,640
things I was trying to hunt down
where things associated with the Savador Sanchez Wilfredo

1074
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:36,760
Gomez fight, that ment a ticket, a credential, posters, whatever ephemera

1075
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,199
there was associated with the fight.
Uh. And I looked for a long

1076
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:43,119
time, and I just you know, you could if you could find it,

1077
01:11:43,039 --> 01:11:45,840
it was in shitty condition, or
it was way over price for the

1078
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:46,720
condition it was in. And to
me, it wasn't even a matter of

1079
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,720
the price. I just wanted to
be in top level condition, even if

1080
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:54,119
I had a pay handsomely for it. For some reason, the program is

1081
01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:56,920
like ridiculously scarce, Like you just
don't find them, I mean, and

1082
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,520
if you do, they're fucking ratty
as shit. I mean, finally,

1083
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:00,520
I mean, and I when I
say this, I'm even joking. Like,

1084
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,840
And I looked probably in a regular
basis at with dealers that I know,

1085
01:12:04,319 --> 01:12:09,199
with other other collectors that I know
on eBay, you know, different

1086
01:12:09,239 --> 01:12:14,039
auction houses. I always looked for
the program. I act long had you

1087
01:12:14,119 --> 01:12:17,520
been looking? I had looked on
a regular basis for that program for probably

1088
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:23,520
close to twenty years. No.
Five I let you go, say like

1089
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:29,880
five right Field Collection has been on
a twenty year crusade to find this program.

1090
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,279
So in those twenty years been probably
like eighteen years something like that.

1091
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:38,399
In that period of time, I
might have seen that program three times.

1092
01:12:39,079 --> 01:12:42,680
One that was like destroyed it was
I wouldn't even want it, to be

1093
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,239
honest, with one that was kind
of banged up and way over priced for

1094
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:49,520
the condition it was in. And
then the one that I bought for a

1095
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:53,359
good amount of money but not crazy. I mean it was within my thought

1096
01:12:53,359 --> 01:12:56,560
process, like what I might have
to spend on it on eBay from a

1097
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,239
reputable person who I had bought from
before, and we're able to to and

1098
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:04,800
and I won that program in the
auction, and I made sure that I

1099
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,239
did enough where I was I was
not losing that program that night. I

1100
01:13:08,279 --> 01:13:11,119
was just not losing it. And
uh, it's in the collection and it's

1101
01:13:11,119 --> 01:13:14,720
a beautiful program. It's in immaculate
condition. So I was very happy to

1102
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,680
have that a couple of months later, and I still have looked. There's

1103
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,520
two versions of the poster that are
most known. It's the closed circuit poster

1104
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,760
for the fight. One is in
English and one is in Spanish. The

1105
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,000
English one is normal, you know
it's super I think it's a super feather

1106
01:13:28,279 --> 01:13:31,279
super bannomweight championship. The other one
is in Spanish. The name of the

1107
01:13:31,279 --> 01:13:35,279
fight was Little Giants, so you
know it was in Spanish. Anyway,

1108
01:13:35,279 --> 01:13:38,840
they're very similar with the artwork,
just different in terms of the language.

1109
01:13:39,359 --> 01:13:42,560
I finally found one in nice shape, and I wanted on an auction for

1110
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,600
a reasonable price. I was fucking
thrilled. And how about this? After

1111
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,680
searching for years and years and years
and years, I find that poster,

1112
01:13:49,239 --> 01:13:54,720
the English version, the English version. Like a week later, I find

1113
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:58,800
a dealer friend of mine has the
Spanish language and lets me know and those

1114
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,920
I want to buy it, and
so we work out of deal and I

1115
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,600
now have A week later, I
find the second one after years of hunting

1116
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,680
for one or the other. And
on top of that, I end up

1117
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,039
with a press pass for the fight. And for some reason, I don't

1118
01:14:10,039 --> 01:14:14,039
even know what was the reason that
that was made, but don king I

1119
01:14:14,079 --> 01:14:15,760
think it was handed out to people
or some form of fashion. It's like

1120
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:21,079
a very large like round sticker that's
probably like four or five inches in diameter.

1121
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:25,439
That's like a thing a logo of
the fight that I also have,

1122
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,399
so I still don't have a ticket
for the fight, but I've got everything

1123
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:31,600
else and it's like literally among the
cornerstones of my collection. And that fight

1124
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:39,079
forty two years ago. Incredible fight
and people should watch it on YouTube.

1125
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:43,840
The passion from the fan bases is
remarkable, and they're two Hall of famers.

1126
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,279
Both were at a very very high
level. Like I said, Gomez

1127
01:14:46,359 --> 01:14:49,840
was undefeated, had been a long
reigning champion in one hundred twenty two pound

1128
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:56,239
weight class, knocking everybody out,
and Sanchez was like this Mexican machine that

1129
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,880
was going through everybody. He wasn't
that well known to the American fans at

1130
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,439
that time. It was after that
fight that he found himself on HBO in

1131
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:09,039
fights, and he only fought Unfortunately, after that big victory, he fought

1132
01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:12,079
only the three more times. Because
we've we've talked about before. He died

1133
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,680
just a few weeks after the Azuma
Nelson fight that was in It was one

1134
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,600
year later, so he fought Gomez
in August of eighty one. In July

1135
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:24,039
of eighty two was when he had
to fight against Azuma, and then three

1136
01:15:24,039 --> 01:15:27,439
weeks later he passed in the car
crash, sold in a car crash at

1137
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,880
twenty three, and he was fighting
this fight at twenty two years of age

1138
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:35,239
and was clearly a rock star in
the smaller weight classes. So again,

1139
01:15:35,279 --> 01:15:39,560
go dial that fight up again.
We would argue, like we know,

1140
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,840
we've talked about this before. People
who's the greatest Mexican fighter of all time?

1141
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,039
And most people at this moment would
say chob Is, but a lot

1142
01:15:45,079 --> 01:15:47,760
of people will tell you at Salvador
Sanchez and if they don't say sanche As,

1143
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,960
they say he's number two. And
it's not even just about his country

1144
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:56,359
of origin. If you want to
talk about the greatest featherweight champions in boxing

1145
01:15:56,399 --> 01:16:00,199
history period, I don't think it's
unreasonable to say Salvador is number one.

1146
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:04,920
And now you've got all the memorabilia
too. Busy, busy, recap a

1147
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,880
lot of at the interview with Todd
de buff Hopefully you enjoyed that. At

1148
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,199
the President of Top Rank, we
gave you some news. Hey, it's

1149
01:16:12,279 --> 01:16:17,239
a heavyweight title fight week. Unified
champion Alexander Usik back after a one year

1150
01:16:17,319 --> 01:16:21,920
layoff to fight Daniel Dubois later this
week in Poland, so that'll be a

1151
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,920
big topic that we're running about on
Big Fight Weekend dot Com. You'll be

1152
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,239
writing about it on your substacts.
We've got that in the preview mode later

1153
01:16:29,239 --> 01:16:30,920
in a week. We did well
coming off the weekend. It didn't really

1154
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,319
have a significant fight card, so
we're good. And we got the other

1155
01:16:33,319 --> 01:16:36,640
heavyweights that top rank we'll have with
the triple H Real Big Baby, Real,

1156
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:41,920
Big Baby, FAA Jagua, they're
on that dollar from Tulsa. Yeah,

1157
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,119
and Jollo off as well. So
plenty to get to later in the

1158
01:16:45,159 --> 01:16:48,680
week again, follow or subscribe.
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1159
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:53,920
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1160
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,960
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on the recap mode after everything is over

1161
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,079
with anything else in closing or are
we good? We're all good. I

1162
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:02,399
think I think we've covered a lot
for a weekend where there was a lot

1163
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:06,199
going on, very true and some
great nostalgia at the end, including I'm

1164
01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:10,840
just glad that you're sleeping comfortably tonight
knowing that you've come up with the program.

1165
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,960
A twenty year search for the ray
Field collection for Salvador Sanchez or Fredo

1166
01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:17,319
Gomez. I love that I still
don't know why it's such a scarce program,

1167
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,840
but I mean, look the building
where they had it only holds like

1168
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:25,840
five thousand people. Not many people. Not many people obviously kept their program

1169
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:30,560
where if their collectors still had them
or care and cough cough program. Yeah,

1170
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:31,640
but you were able to get it. Listen, have a good week.

1171
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,640
Thank you my friend alight Man,
appreciate it. There goes Dan ray

1172
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:39,760
Field. I'm merely t J Reeves. We're back later in the week talking

1173
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,800
more about USA Dubois and much more
on the big fight. We can preview

1174
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,560
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