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Welcome to be Live. After the
Clippers lose. They lost to the Grizzlies.

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They are they have the same record
as the Spurs. Things look a

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little busted. I'm Chuck Mockler.
Carl tartis here, Adam Auson, will

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Updike, letting people come in on
the Live and all that good stuff.

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I'll go to our guest first,
Carl, how are you feeling after that

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Clippers display? All right? So
today I was watching football, Yeah,

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at a place I had to do
some work and I was watching football.

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But you know, I am a
proud subscriber of Clipper Vision, so I

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had that on my phone, and
in attendance watching football was none other than

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Keyshawn Johnson. And he was like, what you're looking at on your phone?

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Man, very personable guy. And
I told him what I was watching,

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and he proceeded to roast the ship
out of me. Of course,

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uh as one does when a Laker
fan meets a Clipper fan. And he's

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an old school Laker fan too,
you know, he's an l A guy.

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But you know what, man,
I was. I I had I

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had to lecture some people. I
had to lecture some people today on the

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history and why we get treated the
way we do. And I was talking

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to a person who was from Indiana
who was like, Oh, I'm a

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I'm a Miami Heat fan because I
watched my team lose to Miami, and

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uh I decided to Yeah, I
said, that's terrible. That's that's terrible.

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That's so you you can't beat them, So you joined him. That

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is your friend Kevin Durant or he
was not. It was not Kevin Durant,

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but it was another guy who was
there, and and and we're talking

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and they're and they're talking about us, and I give him a whole rundown

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on why they feel they need to
talk to you about us when their team

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is just as as disappointing historically.
And uh, listen, man, I

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feel like this. This is my
true, honest feelings. Of course,

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it doesn't feel good to lose to
the worst team in the West. Uh,

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it doesn't feel good to lose.
I mean, it was it was.

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I'm not making an excuse, but
it was. It was a morning

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it was a Sunday morning game.
We've historically been bad in those, sure,

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But I also am change your bedtime. You don't think after, you

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don't think in year five, you
wouldn't change your bedtime or do whatever you

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need to do to be awake at
twelve thirty. I'll tell you like this,

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I'm thirty four years old. Russ
is a year older than me,

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James the same age as me.
Happy birthday, Happy birthday, russ Uh.

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That's coming from the robot from Rocky
five. Birthday, russ Uh.

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And but I I don't want to
lose my Saturday nights before I have to,

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you know what I mean? Well, I get that, so I'm

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gonna give them a little bit of
grace. I don't want to lose my

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Saturday night because I'm like, because
everybody's like, man, it's gonna happen

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to you where You're gonna be tired. You're gonna get tired on Saturday night.

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You'll get tired. You're not gonna
want to go out. No,

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No, I'm always want to go
out. And I give the grace to

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my fellers. With that being said, man, it's my true, honest

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feelings. Nobody wants to lose as
much as we've been losing. Because I

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know I'm gonna have to see the
inevitable trolling Bleacher Report, which is a

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Laker organization I'll have to see their
post, you know, where they go

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Clippers lose five in a row,
and then when the Lakers lose, they

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go Lakers fall shot. Competitive losses
competitive. Not for the Clippers. They've

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had one competitive loss the rest of
ben essentially blowouts. Today was competitive.

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Today was against the worst team,
but you would hope it at least be

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competitive, right, I thought,
Hey, and in some positive on some

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positive Chuck Mackler, I definitely feel
like the comeback that happened. Shout out

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to Norm, Norm, Hey,
that was fun. Is it sustainable?

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Is that how they're going to win
ball games? Have Norm get twelve points

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in the fourth quarter every time?
Because they're down eleven heading into the fourth,

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and that's a real way to I
don't I just don't know if that's

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great process. Like, I'm happy
for Norm to get it going like that,

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and it was fun, it was
exciting, But to be down eleven

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going into the fourth, oh yeah. And it's just that's not long term

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how this team is going to get
back to playing whatever brand of basketball,

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whatever their identity is going to be. It's not just well, Norm's gonna

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get hot here in the fourth quarter
and have twelve points like that's not sustainable.

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I don't think I think Tyler knows
that. If there's if there's one

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season where I've trusted him, it's
been this one. And I'll tell you

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why. I've been watching these guys
play these games. Uh Now, at

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the end of the that late stretch
today, Kawhi was shooting some bullship.

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He was pissed off. He was
pissed off, was upset today with some

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play taking a Midi fade away from
BS. What what does that mean?

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That's Kawhi. The shot selection has
been garbage with hard like why did we

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add a point guard? If there's
gonna be possessions with no passes? No

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passes, that's no ball movement.
We got all these people who can shoot,

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including people who are hot like Norman
Powell, like James Harden. You

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got all these people out here,
and you're gonna drive into double coverage and

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I still got football brain on,
but it's the same thing like and you're

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gonna you're gonna drive into that and
then and shoot a short like mid I

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know you're a Midi. I know
you the king of the Midi. You

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got the best Midian history. But
Adam Rsley, what do you what do

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you mean? And but what I
know? You have the best midian history,

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but don't take aim? Does that
mean, Adam? So you would

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you say? Would you characterize the
shot selection from these from the Clippers in

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the James Harden era as good?
We're talking about today's game, right We're

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talking about the whole thing. Baby, we're unpacking right now. You gotta

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get the leeches on you. You
gotta get the bad blood out, and

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you gotta heal. We gotta sit
in the ice bath. Adam getting the

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ice bath with me. It's a
big dum. You guys got to cry

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on together. Come on, how
do we heal? The problem with this

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team is Kawhi taking a mid range
jumper in a clutch situation. I don't

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think you've been watching the last five
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the last four games. That's not
the issue. They actually had twenty six

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assists on their thirty seven makes in
this one. Like the ball movement,

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it obviously can be better. So
how can it be better? Adam?

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What's the thing we've talked about all
summer? If they're gonna bring in James

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Harden, that's the thing we talked
about Adam put the gun away. I

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say it that that was the problem. You said he was have some BS.

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He was because the mid range shot
from Kawhi is BS in that in

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that situation and that game situation where
we have a chance to win, which

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we shouldn't be in a situation like
this against that team. So don't give

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it to Kawai and his chance to
win. No, give it to Kawhi.

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But Kawhi still has to make a
good play like this from him is

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a good play. I'm sorry,
I don't know where. I don't know

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where he'd under a double team.
It really wasn't he faded away. He

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had a great look. Kawhi makes
that shot. We're talking about something totally

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different. Oh that's Kawhi, of
course, I feel like I mean Adam,

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I definitely agree with you. I
hear what you're saying on the mid

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range shot. That is a shot
that that Qui is comfortable with. But

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I think Carl's larger point stands in
that the ball has been pretty stagnant despite

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adding yet another point guard. That's
a completely different issue than Kawhi is thrown

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up BS. Kawhi only took sixteen
shots in that moment. That's the issue

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about one play. I'm talking about
two plays, actually talking about two plays

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where Kawhi took two even though he's
Kawhi still ill advised shots. Now,

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I hate, I hate to bring
this up right now, but I'm going

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to because it always happens. What's
the other shot? My favorite, my

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favorite player in the league has always
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Lebron James always makes the right basketball
play. That's what makes him. That's

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a big portion of who he is. He Kawhi could have passed the ball

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to somebody in that moment. I
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Kawhi taking that shot most of the
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double team and he is forcing it. Because those were called forced shots,

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those were forced They were not clear
open looks. Chuck, can you play

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the shot in here? You're saying
the layup he took was the other bad

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shot. He shouldn't take a layup
fade away from the dotted but he said

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too. You said two shots now, so the other was a layup.

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Layup was a little tough as well. I have hold on real quick.

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I'm looking at the shot shart just
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three. This is just the exes. And there was a shot from the

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right low block, the fade away
that I believe Carl's talking about from right

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underneath the nail, and then where
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instead of Kawhi Leonard taking a clutch
shot, the one that he hits a

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lot, Adam, it seems like
chest I just can't believe that's what we're

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talking about right now. There are
actual issues, all right, pulled the

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gun out, all right? Are
we gonna get to the elephant in the

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room, the starting backcourt? We're
telling Yeah, said before the game he's

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looking for ways to separate those two
as much as possible. But they're also

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in the starting backcourt, and they
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and coach Luke came out and said, we have to start halves better.

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It's just it seems like an obvious
issue going on right now, which is

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two guys that are dependent on having
the basketball to start off ballgames and it's

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clashing playing styles and it's not working. Whereas coach lou made a brilliant move

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in that second quarter with bringing in
Big Zoo instead of PJ. Tucker and

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then have them having going extra small
light they did against Dallas where there was

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that thirty four to five run.
So this game he pairs of Viza Zoo

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bots with Paul George, with Russ, with Norm Powell with Terrence Man.

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That worked. That was progress.
That's a good thing to see. That

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was great. They went on a
quick eight to zero run. I just

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don't know if Russ on the floor
next to James Harden, and it seems

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like the team knows because coach Luce
said he's trying to separate them should be

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starting. So that's what's so funny. Lucas Hahn was posting some usage stats

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for Harden and the Clippers, like
it's not like they're not using him.

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Well, they're not using him.
He has his lowest usage rate of sixteen

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point eight percent since his second year
in the league, and that his second

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lowest is nineteen and a half percent. So like it's not even like like

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he's getting lost in this starting lineup
he had. There's no he's being too

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differential like we saw when the team
was in this game, when it was

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like, oh, a big lineup
with a couple shooters in there, like

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then it was okay Harden out there
with Norm when it was hardened Norm,

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Kawhi, pg Zoo. Not saying
that's a starting lineup, but some people

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are maybe talking about it. The
spacing was there, letting Harden away from

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Russ. Maybe it's bench Harden,
maybe it's bench Russ. I think it

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works either way, if that makes
sense. But I think that's probably I

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mean to make that work is no, no, no, I'm saying four

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games maybe better solution than playing both
of them in the starting That's what I

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think the solution. But it's better
bringing in James Harden. Trying to make

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him Clay Thompson on catching shoots doesn't
make sense to me. Bringing in James

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Harden. And they just talked about
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they're going to play through Harden.
They just talked about it in practice.

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He let everybody know this, and
that is the right move. Not because

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he's your best player, that's Kawhi, that's Paul George. Because he's your

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best playmaker. You have to play
through that guy if you want what happened

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with the Brooklyn Nets to happen here
with the Clippers. James Harden's got to

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have the ball in his hands and
then give it up to Kyrie and Kad

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in this case, Kawhi and Paul
George. That's it. That's the idea

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of bringing him in, and it
hasn't worked at all yet because the ball

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has not been in his hands nearly
enough. I see people. I see

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people saying like, James Harden's the
problem. It's like, no using James

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Harden, like this is the problem. Yeah, I agree with you.

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Chuck. Chuck Sampson brought up a
great comment in uh Sampson Chunk. Sorry

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did I say Chuck? My bad, but he talked about Tyleru talking about

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Harden playing too passive because he's on
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step on his toes. He's advocating
for no way Rush should start. I

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think that this two guard situation is
leading to passivity from everyone. It's it's

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it's from Paul George. We heard
him talking about how he's going to be

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a glue guy or whatever. I
really think it is that same thing.

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And the Heat had the same problem
at the beginning of their run, not

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going to compare this version of the
Clippers, but where they're at to that

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Heatles team. But everybody was being
a little bit too passive. Everybody doesn't

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want to doesn't want to rock the
boat or whatever. But I think I

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think that, yeah, then you
have to remove one. You have to

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remove one of the ball dominant presences
when everybody is on the floor or or

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I don't know. The hard thing
is the Clippers just they don't have a

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lot of time. If this trade, if this trade, if they had

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had a full training camp, and
if this trade was made in the off

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season, you know when we first
heard about it, I think things would

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be a little different. But you
know, they've just dropped five straight and

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this is the easy part of their
schedule. They just don't have a lot

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of leeway to figure things out.
So I don't don't know why they're not

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trying to make moves immediately. They
traded rebounding and defense for more offense,

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and the more offense hasn't showed up
yet. They're barely scoring one hundred points.

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Very true, my brother, Very
true. And that's the point that

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I wanted to get to kill it. He's right next to the camera.

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This is gonna be Yeah, let's
go for it. Let me tell you

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something, Adam, pull out your
pull out the gun. Pull the gun.

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Adam pulled the gun out right now. I got on a vest for

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this one. And let me tell
y'all something. Data man ghost Uh,

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everybody who's saying it? That man
that y'all have been caping for for the

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past seasons. Who I have who
I've been saying if you remember on the

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old pod, I've been saying it. And I took. I got death

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threatsnation, I got death threats.
Vest you were wearing back then, you're

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wearing desk I'm wearing right now.
Gotta go. But he's not the problem

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right now. Oh god, he's
gotta be better. I'm not gonna like.

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You're not wrong. He's a little
closer for what. Okay, wait,

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let's entertain it. Wait wait,
wait, wait wait, let's entertain

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it. Let's entertain it. What's
the move? Tell me, thank you

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Bryant's and Jazz. What's the move
we gotta get he's been not very good.

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I will, but he hasn't been
trash. He's been not very good.

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What's the move? We're trading Zoo
for what? Valanos that's not that's

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possible. Dog. I don't know
what's possible. Man, I don't know

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what's possible, but we gotta do
something. Ghost, thank Zoo for drumming.

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Drummer can shoot the three. I
don't like. I don't like that.

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What did you like that? Fully? But but we need a stretch.

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We need a stretches. Man is
cooking himself live. He cannot shoot

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the three. I don't want nerlis
No, will I want something else?

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You? Okay, wait, y'all
gotta you don't want a backup? Is

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fine? I don't like Drummond,
but I feel like we need we need

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one other big body. We need
one other big body. Charles, what

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are your thoughts on this? We
need another big body. We can't sign

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Daniel Tice, who's six eight.
I don't think that makes any sense.

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Andre Drummond should not be on this
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The rebounding, sure, that'd be
good, but he also has rebound.

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If Andre Drummond came to this team
and started shooting threes, I wouldn't I

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wouldn't like it. Listen, let
me let me aout. I'm gonna tell

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you what I'm talking about. Okay, fix your faces and to this guy

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drunken public service, shut up.
I don't even know who this guy is.

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He I don't. I don't like
the whole hoopers Hoopers not not basketball

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players. Bullshit. That guy's right. Okay, wait, I agree with

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the dogs. You're right on that. Who's been bad this year? I'm

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not, but I just I don't
think that that's fair. He's been He's

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in y'all gonna ca for this man
forever. Here's difference, Carl. When

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he plays bad, we say he's
playing bad. When he plays good,

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we say he's playing good. And
you never give him credit when he's playing

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good, which is the majority of
the time. Let's focus on the real

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issues. How can the team be
better? This is what's the issue of

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the Clipper is it's tearing everyone apart. They've been so bad. Yeah,

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this is the issue right now.
We can't amongst friends? Who's friends?

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Okay? Where are you at,
Carl? Are we benching russ or to

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bring in Norm? What do you
where? What do you what's your move

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forward? I'm not lost on Norm
is starting. I know it might be

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crazy, but I'm thinking about it. Alan Alan also wants to know,

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is this like, Carl, I'm
curious to your thoughts. Is this stubbornness

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from Tylo or is it one of
these two guys. They don't want to

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make the move to the bench,
and it's like a diplomatic thing where they

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don't want to rock the like they
don't want to rock the locker room.

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We're five, we're five games in. I think we're five games in.

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Ty wants to give it ten,
you know he does. He likes a

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ten game sample size. I agree
with that it ain't working after five.

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I do think there's gonna be a
big change, maybe before our next game,

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which is against the Nuggets, which
I prayed that they don't fucking stump

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a mud holeing I asses. We're
gonna talk about that in a second and

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thirty. Let me ask you,
guys, this is it. Give it

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more time. They need more time
because it's only been four games and that's

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the issue, or it's fundamentally flawed
and you can give as much time as

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you want. The Sea isn't gonna
be there for winning a championship playing this

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way, regardless that they have some
stretch where they win five of their next

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seven or something, which I do
think they will I I told people at

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the bar to day, they're gonna
go five and on the next one.

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You told Johnson that. I told
Keihan Johnson that I love that. Uh.

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They played Denver next, right,
Yeah, and I think we can

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stell them. Uh well, that
would be like five wins if they could

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somehow beat Denver in their time of
need against a team they never beat.

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Uh. I agree with with him, he says, I like zoo,

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I'm only trading him for a plink
capella Jared Allen type big. I mean

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sure, I don't think you're Yeah, do y'all know, because I don't.

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I will, I will, I
will go watch what happened to Jared

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Allen against the Knicks in the first
round. Before you say that, maybe

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contract stuff, huh, you said, Carl, you're asking for contract stuff,

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contract stuff, and just who's available, who makes eleven million dollars a

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year? Very favorable? Team friendly
is if you will exactly, it's a

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very team friendly contract, which is
where we get into this logjam. People

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were talking, but talk about this
rotation now. People were talking about maybe

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trading norm at some point, but
now Bones is out of the rotation for

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eight more games, while Tye can
look at this current iteration of what we

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saw in this game with Tucker and
Musa, and we haven't heard from Adam.

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I'm curious your thoughts on this as
the man who once said the Clippers

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ceiling is tied to Bones Highland,
which wasn't wrong at the time. Where

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are we at? Where are we
at with this development that Bones is possibly

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it seems like not a part of
the rotation moving forward. According to taylu

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Well, if you were on the
last show, I did point out that

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that point that I made about Bones
could be could become completely irrelevant, And

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it looks like it is now because
he's out of the rotation. And I

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understand why you can't keep going small
three or four guards out there. It's

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the right move, but it's also
unfortunate for Bones in his development, and

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he and Norman Power are just too
similar. Their strengths and their weaknesses line

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up next to one another. I
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I don't think that's fair completely agree. I think I think to pass

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to anybody, you don't even need
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If Bones or if Norm has the
ball in his hands, else. I

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completely agree. I think Bones in
his ceiling, which he's most definitely tied

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to his individual ceiling, I think
is pretty high. I think is tantalizingly

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high. And that's why I got
excited and even said at one point,

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maybe they don't need to bring in
James or somebody else because the Bones makes

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that big leap this season, that
might be enough right there. Obviously,

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it's a new situation now, and
it's disappointing that he's going to be totally

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out of the rotation. We'll see
maybe coach Louse mix this thing up,

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mixes things up at some point here. I don't know here, you guys

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want to you guys want a little
treat because you've been getting a little heated.

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What's the treat? I guess Okay, a nice vintage Sharks too.

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I can't believe you're willing to donate
that to one of our live listeners right

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now. I can't believe that the
giveaway on this show now. So our

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friends, our friend l O l
w TF, Eric, who designs everything

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that you see if you're watching this
on the live stream, is wondering if

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the team is actively uh and deliberately
and deliberately trying to drive him into madness.

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I just want to float this theory
out there. I was talking talking

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about this with Charles during the game. Is this a reverse Major League in

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which the Clippers are trying to lose
every game and somehow not end up in

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the into it don't but end up
moved somewhere else. Have you thought about

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this? Have you seen this?
Have you heard about this? I don't

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think that's what's happening. For the
record, say why would he do that?

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I don't think I don't. I
don't understand why he would do that.

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I want to believe it. I
want to believe something. I want

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something to hold on to, Like
Maroll five said, gives me, give

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me something to believe in because I
don't believe in you anymore anymore. Or

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that's a perfect way to suck because
I'm not mad at that. That's a

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great It's the point I agree with
the most so far. This episode is

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the Maroon five lyric. It's tough
right now. I think they can turn

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it around, but it's tough.
Can they turn it around without making a

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change to the starting five? As
of five twenty seven pm on November five,

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absolutely cannot question. I cannot turn
it around with they cannot continue to

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run the same experiment and accept and
like expect a different result. Are we

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also? I liked, what will
will you put forshizzle bedizzles thing back on

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there? What's are we? Just? Are we gonna wait it out for

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Mason and not sign a big?
I think I would be if if conversations

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haven't already been happening behind the scenes, it's malpractice. It's it's you know

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what I mean, it's I feel
like they're willing to throw the season away

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at that point if there's not already
conversations. I understand that it hasn't resulted

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or netted a deal yet, but
you need you need someone, preferably a

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traditional big and also a vet like
who's a vet? I think? To

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back this up? And you know, understanding that they probably won't be a

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heavy rotation piece, but you need
a stop gap. You need something.

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Adam, you're making a face you
disagree with me? No, no,

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no, no, I completely agree. I was just gonna throw this out

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there. Just had a nice little
brain hatch. Uh. As much as

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they talked about yesterday playing through James
Harden, is it just too difficult to

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say that, even in front of
the whole team and make that adjustment the

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very next day, after the style
of play that they got ready to get

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into this season with playing faster with
Russ and then all of a sudden to

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switch things up and play slower and
play through James Harden. Is it just

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impossible to make that one eight,
even though they know the message is there,

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even though all the guys that's kind
of giving you some idea of a

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pecking order were playing through Harden,
but it didn't result in that today.

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And it's just gonna take more time
because Ty talked about it in the post

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game. He talked about how the
team needed to play faster in today's post

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game, and it's like it's Harden
is just not the guy for that,

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which is and that's the problem because
run the styles by you two playmakers.

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Yesus is doing what Ty wants,
which is play faster, and it's not.

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Also like they weren't exactly playing lightning
fast before Harden came here. We

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talked about that a little bit too, of like, all right, just

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maybe see him pick up the pace
a little bit more. But Carl Adam,

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y'all are right, It's like,
I want James to start, but

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he's not gonna play the basketball that
we've been told that's going to be happening

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all off season. Carl go ahead, Yeah, Like I don't know.

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It's difficult. Miles Turner, I
don't think it's possible. It don't.

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We no longer, We no longer
have the assets to make it happen.

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We would have to send too much
out. In context, were placers destroying

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right now? They're like, they're
like phenomenal. How is getting rid of

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Aviatza Zubos changing the pace? Changing
the problem in the backcourt? This is

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these are not the droids you're looking
for. That's not the issue here,

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Bro. I just want I just
want zoo going just to control you,

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all right. I respect the pettiness. I look, if there's one thing

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I respect, pettiness, I can't
I can't pretend that that's in regards to

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the in regards to the pace,
La said, Harden looks out of shape

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to be honest, to be fair, right, we because I do feel

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like we are losing the context of
there was never a training camp. He

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didn't participate in any training camp.
He had not played a game, and

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I'm willing. I'm willing to see
that, especially for the people who are

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the hardened haters. Charles, just
go ahead and cut me off. I'm

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raising my hand. Well, but
but all I was gonna say is like,

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I do think that that changed changes
the math of how many games until

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you figure something out? Of course, but I still think it's it's apparent

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enough that the starting lineup isn't working. Go to your point, we were

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sold that he had some secluded training
camp. I don't doubt that he was

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training, it's just different. Those
are two different things. I know it's

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different, but we're already at the
physicality, like it's already gone so bad

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that we're already at this this point. It's not that I don't think he

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was working out in Colorado, and
I very much believe he was, but

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we're already at this point of like, well, game speeds a little different,

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and he's like, yeah, I'm
so working. I know. But

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because it's gone so is, because
it's gone so poorly, I feel not

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as sympathetic to that, I guess
because it's looked so shitty. But we've

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all kind of acknowledged that Harden is
not specifically the problem I know, I

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mean, that's true, but the
lineups are like that. I agree that

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the lineups are the problem. Harden
is not the problem. Russ is not

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the problem. The lineups are the
problem. Rebounding a defense is a problem.

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Yeah, is a problem. Talk
about that. You have to be

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honest with that. Will. I'm
not saying I know we can't do anything.

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I know we can't do anything,
but let's control what we can control.

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Then if we can't not about that, let's talk about things that are

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within the realm of being changed.
And I understand both of your guys's points

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there. It's frustrating on one end, but it's also it is baked in

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that he wasn't going to be completely
up to speed because we all know there's

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no way to simulate right game.
And we talked about this, we said,

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hey, Clippers want to do this, why would you not do it

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in the off season? But they
still got I mean, like it was

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still the same deal that we thought
it was going to be. It was

405
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:36,200
two first and filler like that's it
was. There was never any conversation beyond

406
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,319
that. To me, though,
the issue still isn't hardened and whether or

407
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not he's in perfect game shape,
like they aren't maximizing the place he is

408
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,319
at right now, and he is
good enough. When you watch that first

409
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:53,119
quarter against Dallas where he and Kawhi
Leonard are playing a two man game and

410
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,079
absolutely cooking, and it's like,
oh, we got something here. Clippers

411
00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:02,400
are up by twelve and those two
are playing beautifully off one another. That

412
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,880
outside of that, there hasn't been
much to take away that's been positive.

413
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,000
But the point there was Harden had
the ball in his hands and he and

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00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:15,000
Kawhi were in control. I want
to see Harden next to Kawhi and Paul

415
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:19,920
George with the Vitza Zubats and Terrence
Man and see what that looks like for

416
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,400
a good section of time. But
if they're going to cater to egos and

417
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,200
guys being more concerned about starting,
and I don't know who that is,

418
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:34,480
but I'm guessing, Look, Harden
and Russell Westbrook both want to start totally,

419
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,400
somebody's gonna have their heart broken.
Well, and Wangs had split up

420
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,960
the four Stars to to start too
off the bench like the lou Montrez second

421
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,039
unit to extend the lead. The
issue, I feel like the issue has

422
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:51,759
been We've seen some really good chemistry
with Kawhi with Harden. It has not

423
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,720
looked the same with Russ and PG, and it did today. Yeah,

424
00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:03,279
it did. They have The quarter
was beautiful. They're down thirteen. They

425
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,839
start off the second with zoo Man, Powell, Russ and PG and they

426
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,720
go on an Edo run and Paul
George is the focal point and being aggressive.

427
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:17,039
That worked that lineup. Better be
here to stay because that was really

428
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:19,640
smart. That was a perfect adjustment
from what we saw in the second quarter

429
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,680
of Friday Night. Have y' all
talked about that yet? Daniel says,

430
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,400
don't worry, guys, World Cup
winner Daniel Tye will save This is Daniel

431
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,720
tyson possibility. Have you all had
conversations about this, because I've heard his

432
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:32,799
name populup. We talked about it, Adam and I talked about a little

433
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:36,880
bit. I'm not really I don't
know what we trade for Daniel Tye.

434
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,359
He makes like nine million a year
or something, and I just think he's

435
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,759
six eight. Mason Plum he's a
real seven footer. Yeah, I think

436
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,680
we should have this team used to
playing with the size and personnel that they're

437
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,799
gonna be playing when Mason comes back. If he comes back, but we

438
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,599
also need wins. I'm not the
biggest Tys fan. I'm not the like

439
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,759
I don't hate the guy. I
just think we should get someone quite literally

440
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:05,079
taller who's going to play maybe a
more traditional center role. Again, they

441
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:08,200
still have pieces that are there now
that can be better optimized, and I

442
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,720
do I also give coach Lou credit
for playing Musa. He said he was

443
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,839
going to play bigger and he played
a young guy in his second season,

444
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:21,799
and I thought Musa actually played really
well and actually even against Dallas Friday night,

445
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:23,880
and I know the game was over, but he had multiple possessions against

446
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,960
Luka Dauntics where I was like,
damn, that's good defense. Doesn't matter,

447
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,279
but still it was good defense.
Musa has impressed more than I thought

448
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:35,240
he would with the minutes he's gotten
the last two days, for the last

449
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,200
two games, and he goes out
he gets hit in the face in the

450
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:44,920
second half on freg Ja. Yeah, but I so it's not like Coach

451
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:50,680
Lou hasn't made any adjustments already within
these four games. He has that second

452
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:53,680
unit to start the second quarter today, Musa being out there him saying he

453
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,839
can't keep playing small. So no, bones with Norman Powell. Stuff is

454
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,480
happening. I thought there was low
key progress today. The problem is the

455
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:08,000
main issue that I think is going
on with why their offense looks bogged down

456
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:14,039
is pecking order and two playmakers starting
next to one another. That just throws

457
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:17,880
things off. And what about the
defense and rebounding which has looked much worse.

458
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,480
Let's talk about that a little bit. I mean, obviously sending out

459
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,440
three wings and getting in return PJ
Tucker, I feel like is an issue.

460
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,440
That that's an issue, Charles,
where are you at the Tucker thing?

461
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,400
The Tucker thing is hard right because
he Marcus Morris did not rebound the

462
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,200
ball and PJ. Tucker does his
damn just to try and rebound the ball.

463
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:45,359
He took two shots today, which
is incredible because he usually doesn't take

464
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:50,920
shots. He made a three,
which is great, But there's still he

465
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,720
can't be out there with another non
plus shooter. He just can't. Like,

466
00:33:55,799 --> 00:34:00,240
if we have PJ out there with
a guy who's not a real reat

467
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,519
to shoot the ball, then that's
it's some tough defense we watched today.

468
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,159
When to open this game, the
Grizzlies started Jaron Jackson, Junior defending Russ

469
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,159
and basically just sagging off him and
playing free safety in the paint, which

470
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:16,639
is like, sure, with one
guy on the court, who that's gonna

471
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:21,239
happen. That's fine. We got
PG and Kawhi and all the stuff that

472
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,079
should work. But with Tucker out
there, he can't be out there with

473
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:29,079
Zoo because then the defense is just
like, yeah, okay, well coming

474
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,119
to the paint, let's try it
like you have to. Who aren't going

475
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:37,440
to stretch the floor at all?
So I don't think, no, we

476
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:40,840
lost you. Oh no, I'm
back. I'm back. I'm back.

477
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,599
I don't think you've put in the
best position. But the Mason Plumber injury

478
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:51,039
is the worst thing to happen to
PJ. Tucker because it really sucks because

479
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:57,079
he's put in a position that on
this team with learning all the new stuff,

480
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:00,239
it's tough right now. He shouldn't
be half to playing this much.

481
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,840
He didn't even really play like a
bunch in this game. He played thirteen

482
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,239
minutes, but he was plus four
something to it. But it's just a

483
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,599
little tough. It sucks that we
have to figure out how to use him

484
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:16,760
so much, I guess, which
is not his fault. Person says first

485
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:25,599
unit, Russ, PG Kawhi,
coffee and zoo. I mean a mere

486
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:31,480
should maybe get some bread. I
would like that. I to your point

487
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,679
of spacing, and you can't have
PJ. Tucker out there with another non

488
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,239
shooter, well, coach Lew said
postgame spacing. It sounded like he was

489
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,920
specifically talking about the starting unit has
been the problem. That's why they're only

490
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,119
scoring one hundred points per game.
And you have Russ out there then shooter.

491
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,000
Yeah, with the beats of zoobots. Yeah, they know spacing is

492
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:59,039
a problem, but they're keeping two
non shooters in the starting lineup. If

493
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:01,760
Man is there instead of Russ,
or if Norm Pale is there instead of

494
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:07,159
Russ, I think it might look
differently. I don't know. I'd look.

495
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:09,119
I'd be interested to see it,
but I don't know if they're interested

496
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:14,000
in making that move right now.
It sounds like he you know, Russ

497
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:19,360
does bring energy in a locked in
focus to start games typically, but it's

498
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:27,440
best asset question Mark Well, I
don't know if that can overcome the bad

499
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,159
fit though right now with him and
James Harden because, like I said,

500
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:35,000
seven zero runs to start both has
by the Memphis Grizzlies, like you're just

501
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:39,039
putting yourself in a hole. If
Jared Jackson Junior is just sagging off of

502
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:44,920
Russell Westbrook and it's putting another defender
in space against Kawhi, Paul George and

503
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:50,480
James Harden, that's that doesn't work. That's not optimizing lineups. Real quick,

504
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,719
we got to put in a quick
ad break because you're gonna make this

505
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,119
a podcast. Ads coming up,
but then we're gonna maybe talk the Nuggets.

506
00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:59,199
I think we're gonna do an updike
fun check AD's coming up in three

507
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,039
two one. All right, welcome
back in to clips and dip. We

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00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:06,119
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509
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:08,360
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510
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,519
that's at Clippers Podcast. We usually
tell your day off, give you a

511
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,599
little time so you know what's going
on. Thank you so much to everybody

512
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:20,719
who is tuning in live. But
right now we're we've talked about the losing

513
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,559
streak with James Harden. We're gonna
look ahead a little bit to what the

514
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:30,800
Clippers can expect versus the Nuggets.
Where do we even start with this?

515
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,239
I mean, I think that MAVs
game. Who the MAVs have been very,

516
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,519
very good to start, so it's
understandable that the Clippers not been as

517
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:42,280
good to start, would would take
a beating, maybe not to that extent

518
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:49,800
take a beating. But where are
you at? Who? Uh? Car?

519
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:53,000
Carl? Carl? What do you
think it's gonna happen? What do

520
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:55,920
you want to see when the Clippers
take on the Nuggets? I want to

521
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,800
see some big changes that Tyler.
I do feel like it's putting in place

522
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:01,760
right now. If I believe in
him as a coach and believe in who

523
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,880
he is, I think he's putting
in some big changes right now. I

524
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,519
also think that we will win this
game. I don't believe. I noticed

525
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:17,239
that we're still trying to run the
same type of strategy against Luca and what's

526
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,519
the guys name Jokic in where we
let them score all the points and try

527
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:24,599
to stop everybody else, make sure
we stop everybody else. I don't think

528
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:29,199
that works anymore because we don't have
We lost a lot of our defense,

529
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:37,840
and our middle is soft like a
twinkie, and so we with cream in

530
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:44,679
the middle Adam and yet Adam put
the gun away. It's back in the

531
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,559
start you finished. I think we're
gonna win this game, though, I

532
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:54,159
think this will be the game that
we uh make a change where people will

533
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,639
think about it. I think like
think about it in the way of like,

534
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:00,639
oh it like they did it.
They I can't believe it, like

535
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:08,079
they got something. Somebody's gonna come
off the bench and it's I think offensively

536
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:13,320
we match up pretty well. Defensively
is pretty tough. But uh, if

537
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,440
these guys can get into a goddamn
rhythm, then we can we can go

538
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:22,199
on a run. I don't think
this is gonna be as bad as yes,

539
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,880
well yes, technically yeah, I
know it sounds crazy. Can't beat

540
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,559
the Gris, but can beat the
Nuggets? Yeah, because the Nuggets have

541
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:32,119
lost to some bad teams, two
of them, I was gonna says,

542
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:38,880
I don't know. I mean they've
been down, I mean a significant person

543
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:45,320
like they've been down a signifgnificant piece
of their rotation, and we gotta we

544
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,320
gotta take we gotta take take that
into account and we have to take advantage

545
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,119
of it. Guys, Can I
just point out that, Yeah, I

546
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:58,079
don't think the defense is anything to
write home about. But in three of

547
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,800
these four games with James Harden one
hundred and eleven points. They've given up

548
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,000
one hundred points. They've given up
one hundred and five points. They've given

549
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:09,320
up Like, I'm not saying the
defense is perfect, but the offense is

550
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,679
the real issue here going on,
which I don't think any of us would

551
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:15,840
have expected when they brought in James. We were all talking about, hey,

552
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,039
offense, roll the ball out there. They'll have one hundred and twenty

553
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:22,519
points. Defensively is where we have
concerns. It's actually for the most part,

554
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:27,679
but the other way around, which
is wild and it's a little more

555
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,360
glaring and alarming. This reminds me
of when I can't remember what I think

556
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,880
it was maybe two seasons ago,
when we were everyone was healthy or ish,

557
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,000
and we were like, oh,
they're gonna they're gonna start a little

558
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:42,320
slow, you know, defensively,
it's gonna be fair. It was kind

559
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,119
of the same thing like this is. And this taps into the biggest issue

560
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:50,320
with the Clippers is we don't know
what this team is good at. We

561
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,679
know what they should be good at, Yeah, for sure, we don't,

562
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:57,760
and it keeps changing, so we
keep having to adjust what we think

563
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,519
they should be good at and when
they figure it out, I think it's

564
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:02,400
gonna be great. I hope it's
great for those seventeen games in March,

565
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,960
but right now, like, oh, they're good at defense. That's surprising,

566
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,559
but we'll take it. Oh on
the offense is bad, Like we

567
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:15,199
don't we don't know where their hat
is hung really with this with this team

568
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,880
yet. It has only been a
handful of games with Harden, but it's

569
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,199
trial by fire against this Nuggets team. I very much hope Carl is right.

570
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:27,199
I gotta give Will a ton of
credit for even though I'm not saying

571
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,679
I agree with it, but the
epic rant he went on after the Clippers

572
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,599
lost against Dallas on Friday night,
and all I could say afterwards was,

573
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,440
uh, you know, they've had
They've had a lot of setbacks and restarts,

574
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,800
and that's what it continues to be. I had a caller tonight who's

575
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,599
like, well, just move James
Harden to the bench for now, and

576
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:50,000
then when he gets up to speed, we'll put him back into the starting

577
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,360
lineup. It's like, so you're
going to adjust twice. Then, yeah,

578
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,400
you're gonna see how he looks with
the bench unit. And then eventually

579
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,079
put him back with the starters,
and they readjust to having him. But

580
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:04,159
it continues, will you want to
take it from here? You had the

581
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:07,960
epic rant, and I think you
point out something that there's truth to it.

582
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,559
I mean not for me. Look, I just we've been doing this.

583
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,760
We've been this is the fifth year
that we're doing this. I feel

584
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,400
like, you know it. There's
always excuses, there's always a reason why

585
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,400
this team hasn't like figured out who
they are and what they are. In

586
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,679
the first year, we didn't have
Paul George to start, still didn't know

587
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,719
who we were, and the bubble
fell apart in what was probably their best

588
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,559
run, their best chance at a
title. Understand it, whatever, bubble,

589
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,840
sure, next year, injury whatever, sure, But we still went

590
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,800
through periods, including a shellacking,
and it was like, what is this

591
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,760
team? Who are they? Sure
they're the team that gets injured in the

592
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,800
postseason. We weren't gonna have quiet
the next season. It's like, who

593
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,760
is this team? Okay, they're
scrappy guys who will come up and get

594
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,199
the win. That was actually one
of the more enjoyable seasons to watch as

595
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,199
a Clippers fan in this two to
three era. Last year, it was

596
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,199
like, Okay, we're back.
This bench is, we know what it

597
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,079
is. Somehow they don't have the
will to win games. And now I

598
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:08,639
honestly feel like this team doesn't hate
losing enough like they. I just don't

599
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:12,519
get how you're at this level.
How you make forty five million dollars a

600
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:15,679
year. You've made it to literally
the highest level of your craft. There

601
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,320
is no higher level. There's nothing
further you could do. And it doesn't

602
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,320
like it just feels like it doesn't
hurt you to lose, or it doesn't

603
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:28,920
hurt you enough. You're like just
perfectly willing to lose games. It's bullshit.

604
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:37,519
It's bullshit, man, I like
most people do. And no,

605
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:38,679
I don't want to suck at my
job. I don't want to be a

606
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,440
piece of shit at my job.
And I just don't get why that that

607
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,719
doesn't apply to other like to people
at like a job that's pretty fun.

608
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:51,039
I don't know if it would be
fun. It seems like a nightmare being

609
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,159
Paul Georgian and choir right now.
I just tell me, right now,

610
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,079
if you could wake up tomorrow and
you're a professional basketball player, that's too

611
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:02,159
hard of a job. If you
those two guys were concertainible amount of pressure

612
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:07,840
on them. So if I'm Jeveeale
McGee, sign me up. I'm not

613
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:15,079
built to be Kawhi Paul up the
best guy in Elite. Yeah. I

614
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:21,920
don't mind the losses when they're against
a very good opponent or you're playing the

615
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,559
right Just come up to st perfect
example and they're back to back like that.

616
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,079
We all were just like man,
that was an entertaining game. That

617
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:32,159
was a crazy game. That was
one of the best battles for Los Angeles.

618
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,679
They lost to the Nets with Harden, and it was like, damn,

619
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,239
they played great, but the Nets
were a shot better than them,

620
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:45,639
and they got Katie Kyrie and James
Harden. What I don't like is the

621
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:51,280
bad process stuff where like early in
the third quarter tonight, Russ has taken

622
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,159
three shots in the first two minutes
and Kawhi, Paul, George and Harden

623
00:44:55,199 --> 00:45:00,719
have combined to take two, And
I just stuff like that, because even

624
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:05,800
if it works, even if Russ
hits all those shots, it's not sustainable.

625
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:09,119
It's not how you're going to win
a championship playing that way. Just

626
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:13,400
like Norm having to have twelve points
twelve of his twenty and the fourth.

627
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,639
That's all great, and if they
had pulled off the win, it's like,

628
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,960
Okay, it wasn't always great process, but they got the w we

629
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:22,199
move forward. That would have been
cool too. But I'm looking for things

630
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,559
that are sustainable at a championship elite
level that makes them a contender, and

631
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:31,519
that's about Kawhi and Paul George and
getting easier shots next to James Harden now

632
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:36,719
and making the game easier for them
instead of them getting off to this great

633
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:43,400
start the first five games where they
look unbelievable and now they've regressed next to

634
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:45,079
James Harden. We thought, if
anything, maybe it could have been the

635
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:49,159
other way around, if you had
told me coming into the season how things

636
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:52,719
were gonna lay out schedule wise,
And when you bring up James Harden,

637
00:45:52,280 --> 00:46:00,239
it's just alarming that the offense has
been this difficult to get unlocked. Well,

638
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,559
it's it's hard to because this you
know, they want us be things

639
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:07,679
up, they want to run.
In twenty twenty to twenty twenty one,

640
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,719
this was the best half court offense. And I think that that's great and

641
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,039
that is a playoff ready offense.
But at the same time, if you're

642
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:20,320
relying on just the efficiency of Kawhi
and Paul George, and that's like what's

643
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,360
really driving that with some occasional ball
movement and looks to other guys. I

644
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,400
just don't think that's sustainable. And
I don't even mind. I don't blame

645
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:30,360
Russ for putting up those shots to
start the third quarter. It's like,

646
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,480
if everyone else is gonna be apprehensive
and tiptoe around, I know Russ isn't

647
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,800
gonna operate like that. Yeah,
you're gonna try to take things into always

648
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:45,000
gone at Russ. Well, Like
I would like Kawhi to just say twenty

649
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:50,920
nineteen Eastern Conference Final style when they
couldn't do anything against Giannis. They're down,

650
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,880
Oh two, he's playing for Toronto. What's gonna change. Oh,

651
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:58,039
I'm gonna guard Giannis. That's what's
gonna change. I wouldn't mind Kawhi to

652
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:01,440
go playoff Kawhi right now and say
get the damn ball. I guess that's

653
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,760
more Keyshan So I mean, Carl
pater King said, so far, it

654
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,159
seems like the starters don't know how
to get shots for anyone but Russ,

655
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:12,400
which is exactly what the other teams
want. I don't agree with this wholeheartedly,

656
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:15,880
but I will say they have been
creating some shots for Russ that are

657
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,360
outside of what his shot profile should
be. Yeah, they're trying to keep

658
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,840
him confident, and that's that's where
you get tough, because he starts shooting

659
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:35,039
up that bullshit, I mean his
So I talked about that usage stat that

660
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:38,679
Lucas Han put up and how like
you know, Harden's usage is the lowest

661
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:44,239
it's been since he's been in the
league except for a second year. Russ's

662
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:49,199
usage has gone up, and Kawhi
and Pg's has gone down since the hardened

663
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,719
trade Fred Who's saying like, oh, well, you're always going at rust

664
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,000
again. Not a Russ issue,
just how other teams are defending this lineup

665
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:59,480
right now. If you were to
play I don't care how much you love

666
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:00,840
Russell west Brook, if you were
to play Russ, Kawhi, PG,

667
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:05,599
Harden and Zoo, you want Russ
taking the most shots from the furthest distance

668
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:09,360
out very simple if you're the other
team. And that's what teams are doing

669
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,400
right now, and this is it. I also think we're talking about,

670
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,719
like maybe we should bench Russ or
something. Adam, You've brought this up

671
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:21,199
too. We did the live stream. Everyone's talked about sacrifice and if we're

672
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:23,599
all in this shit together, coming
off the bench for a team that wins

673
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:28,960
the championship as a guy who's on
you know whatever, hometown, discount whatever.

674
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,960
People were talking about, like,
let's get it, let's do it

675
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:38,360
like people of all people. Marcus
Morris at one point and his Clippers tenure,

676
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,679
people might forget this when he was
still good. Actually, when he

677
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,119
was still good, reportedly said Batom
should keep starting because he's been better while

678
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:51,639
I'm out. We don't know if
that's totally true. The fact that it's

679
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:54,960
put out there is something. But
like if if push, I hope push

680
00:48:55,039 --> 00:49:00,599
doesn't come to shove, because Russ
off the bench would be phenomenal. If

681
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:02,880
you love Russ, you should maybe
want this to happen because he would shine

682
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,000
off this bench with this Clippers team
and not be a part of what's happening

683
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:10,119
right now to start in five.
I do like the pace he pushes though,

684
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,599
so but I think the benches maybe
again, I guess I'm thinking of

685
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:19,519
the bench fully healthy, but like
it is, the pace thing is a

686
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:23,519
very good point because I'm also I
could be convinced either way to put James

687
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:30,880
or Russ on the bench. Weirdly, I like how broken things have been.

688
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:34,159
We talked about this earlier, Chuck, and we agreed on it,

689
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,599
wanting James to start in eerie,
I do, but what we've learned with

690
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:44,039
this team, considering what we've lost
with our bench, with the old with

691
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:51,880
the old guys like Russ continuing to
start and keeping that pace up and we

692
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,920
getting off to a quick offensive start
and building a lead, and then James

693
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,800
coming in and running that second unit
and just going nuts or you know,

694
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:05,360
or staying on the court with with
and like that would be that would be

695
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,159
kind of crazy, Like I feel
like that would that would really get us

696
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:13,360
out to quick leads, which we
always need. Like that's something I don't

697
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,159
like to I don't like to work
in historics when it comes to professional sports

698
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:20,760
really, but damn we always start
off losing for the past few years and

699
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,840
then like have to come back,
right, Can I answer this plus minus

700
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,800
question we're getting from Diallo to too. We got a Russ, We got

701
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,400
a Russ fan, and I don't
know why we're giving them press. I'm

702
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,559
a rough fan too, by the
way, yeah, we're not. It's

703
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:38,440
easy to know we're not. We're
saying, how do you configure this team

704
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:43,199
best to win a championship, not
just to win eight out of ten in

705
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,639
the regular season. We're looking big, big picture, because that is the

706
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,920
ultimate goal, and that's why you
bring in James Harden. But it's it's

707
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,920
as simple as this, y'allo.
He was on the floor when PG cooked

708
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,719
to start the second quarter. He
was on the floor when Norman Powell had

709
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,639
twelve points in the fourth quarter and
was a flame throw. Plus minus is

710
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:06,599
not a perfect measurement, but it
should be very much dependent on who's playing

711
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:08,920
well next to you, or who's
playing well against you, or vice versa.

712
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:13,880
And he wasn't with James Harden,
which plays to our point. This

713
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,800
is what we were just talking about, Diallo, you should want this split

714
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:22,039
to happen. He played great,
That's what's so crazy, which is a

715
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:25,760
bigger conversation about how people view themselves
as fans of certain teams or something like

716
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,840
that. But I thought La on
the chat brings up a good point about

717
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:35,559
He said Russ gives effort defensively and
rebounds, which is why I like starting

718
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:37,960
him in Saidenharden. That's also a
good point. If the Clippers are gonna

719
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,960
go off this rhetoric we heard all
season of run more da da da da.

720
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,840
He maybe should be off the bench, but we there's still I just

721
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,400
don't keep going back to this,
this same thing. I'm so sorry.

722
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,480
We're talking about a guy who is
the reigning assists leader, a guy who

723
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,960
had a hand in winning the in
winning in beat an MVP. It's asinine

724
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:05,239
to think that that Howarden as a
point guard isn't part of the reason that

725
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,199
he won an MVP. I don't
know why you put that guy on the

726
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,559
bench. I'm so sorry. I
love that they want to play with a

727
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:15,119
faster place. I love that they
try to reinvent the wheel all the time,

728
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,679
very unsuccessfully. Might I add,
but maybe just use a player at

729
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:23,039
what they're good at. And I
hate these I hate these postgame pressers where

730
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:27,039
the coach is like, oh,
we need to let X be more like

731
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,480
X, and it's like, yeah, maybe the players should play the way

732
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:34,280
that they've been the best, and
that makes the most sense. And I

733
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,639
can understand if you want to play
fast. And the Clippers were three and

734
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:44,679
one and they look dominant against the
Spurs and against the Portland Trailblazers in Orlando

735
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,599
Magic. And if you look at
those plus minuses with the three guard or

736
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:52,360
with Russ next to two on three, it looks great. I brought them

737
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,800
up myself. But guys, we're
talking about what's going to win a championship.

738
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,639
Look what happened against the Utah Jazz. Look what happened against the late

739
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:04,480
in the fourth Russ had three turnovers. Like I love the pace too,

740
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,679
but you got to know when to
hold him and fold him with Russell Westbrook,

741
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,960
which is why coach Leu took him
out with two minutes left in the

742
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,480
fourth quarter. James comes in,
it's gonna be at a slower pace.

743
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,480
It's gonna be more methodical out there, knock down a big three pointer to

744
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:22,239
tie the ball game, By the
way, which gets overlooked now, also

745
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:27,480
benefits Kawhi and And what's the most
important thing, getting the best out of

746
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:31,639
Kawhi and Paul George. And I
think in a playoff setting, James Harden's

747
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,239
just the better player for that.
And he's a better player at this point

748
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,599
than Russell Westbrook like he is,
so I would say start him. However,

749
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,360
if they bring him off the bench, it's still gonna be a lot

750
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,480
better than it is now because you're
still separating him and Russ do. We

751
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:51,920
think the guy with it and it
sucks, But like, part of being

752
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,719
a coach is managing personalities in the
locker room and the guy who feels like

753
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,800
he's been mismanaged by almost every team
that he's been on, like, which

754
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,199
is not true, but that's the
feeling. I don't know why you try

755
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,199
to move that guy to the bench
when he's the guy that you need to

756
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,559
lift the ceiling of this team here. That's also a good point. The

757
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:15,559
second highest usage rating in the league
last season. He's always had the highest

758
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:19,840
usage rating over the past ten years, and now you want him to play

759
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,559
off ball. And we didn't bring
this up on the last YouTube because I

760
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:27,719
hadn't listened to all the postgame stuff. But I don't think we did.

761
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:34,920
James Harden straight up said it's weird
to me, quote unquote on catch and

762
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,840
shoot threes. He may have shot
forty one percent on them last season on

763
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,760
one point eight takes per game on
catch and shoot threes, and he needs

764
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,000
to shoot more than that. Though, to be fair, he needs to

765
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:47,280
shoot, he does me, but
it's not what he's most comfortable with and

766
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,360
just acting like and I'm guilty of
this too. Well, just lean into

767
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,039
that more, James, Just do
more of that. He went on to

768
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:58,039
talk about how it's one thing to
practice it, which he has been,

769
00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:01,920
it's another to be comfortable doing that
in the game. It's been a much

770
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:07,920
bigger adjustment than I think anyone would
have understood going into this. But it

771
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,800
kind of makes sense, like he
hasn't done that throughout his career. You

772
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,159
can't just ask a guy to do
something completely different, play a different role,

773
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:19,320
find his own little niche in this
offense. That's not where you're bringing

774
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,800
James Harden. You're asking to shave
the beard next, you know, Carls

775
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,800
Harden to shave the beard. What
do you think is gonna happen? He's

776
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,079
gonna put on the fat suit and
be honest. Uh, he's out of

777
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:38,280
there. He's out of there.
Uh. This this this whole uh mentality,

778
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,679
the changing of the mentality. Uh, we don't we will never know

779
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,559
what these guys mentality are. Like. We're not in the locker room,

780
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:49,960
we're not in in their minds.
Uh. We only know what they tell

781
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:53,000
us, so we can never go
off of that. Like Russ. Russ

782
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:57,039
knows that he's not who he used
to be. He knows that. Trust

783
00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:00,760
me, every every athlete knows when
they're not doing what they used to even

784
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,960
if it no matter how bad they
want to be doing it, they know

785
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:08,440
what their capabilities are. Also,
Paul George says quite often how he doesn't

786
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:13,719
mind playing second fit. Don't.
We can't have that. That's the last

787
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,880
thing you need. And coach lou
nipped it in the bud earlier today.

788
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,639
Paul George is not a glue guy. He's a bad mother effort. Yeah,

789
00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:22,480
he knows that's what they have to
have to win it all. Yeah,

790
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:24,320
I agree with you. I agree
with that. I don't think he

791
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,239
meant what he's I think that was
him trying to be diplomatic and he who

792
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:34,159
messed up Paul George, Oh no, I think he really was trying to

793
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,119
help by saying, all right,
I'll get more boards, I'll play more

794
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:39,280
defense. But it's like, no, you're not the guy who needs a

795
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:44,119
sacrifice. Kawhy is not the guy
who needs a sacrifice. It's somebody in

796
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:47,840
the backcourt. Both of them really
are going to have to. That's the

797
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,239
formula for them winning at all,
getting more out of two pine three and

798
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:57,519
getting back to where they were right
before Kawhi towards ACL. Yeah. I

799
00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:04,280
agree. And what's crazy is I
have I've been so every every news publication,

800
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:07,760
sports thing has been talking about how
bad the fit is. And they

801
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,119
you know, they love to crap
on us, like it's just it's in

802
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:16,039
their contracts. But at least one
time you have to you have to say

803
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,440
even if that like we go and
eighty two and they're gonna be like,

804
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:27,440
m just don't believe it, fake
O and eighty two two and I would

805
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,079
love, they would love, they
would love and eighty two eighty two and

806
00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:37,400
oh and but I I am now
being like, damn, how is this

807
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:45,400
ship gonna keep working? Because I
feel that that trepidation the same where it's

808
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:51,480
like I guess, I hope,
but but but we know a pathway to

809
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:57,400
making this work something they really haven't
tried yet, Like that the biggest issue

810
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:00,280
may be the thing they haven't tried, which is either bringing or Russ off

811
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:05,079
the bench. And then who do
you want to start that simple let's go

812
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:07,360
around the horn? Who do you
want in starting lineup. Let's say one

813
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,679
of one of James or Russ is
out of the starting lineup. Who do

814
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:14,599
you want to see in their place? Let's start with Charles. Okay,

815
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:20,239
that feels unfair, but I'm gonna
go Kobe Brown up the one get the

816
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:23,440
ball in his hands, winning basketball. Uh No, I'm gonna go.

817
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:30,800
There's what I want and what I
think the team wants to try and run.

818
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:37,440
I want to see. I want
to hear your I hear what you

819
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:43,000
want. I want to see Harden. I'm gonna say Norm strictly for the

820
00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:47,440
spacing Kawhi pg zoo. I could
be talked into Terrence instead of Norm,

821
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:53,679
but what we saw for the flashes
of it in this game hardened Norm.

822
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:58,960
Kawhi PG is some nice spacing you
can hide Norms defense. I understand the

823
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,320
defense isn't super with those two there, but I think the offense functions a

824
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:08,320
little better. Whoever is going next, go, let's go, Carl,

825
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,519
who do you? What do you
want for your starting five? What I

826
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:16,280
want for my starting five? Anything
as crazy as you want. Current roster.

827
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:22,400
Current roster doesn't have to be in
a stay five. I don't have

828
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,320
to be in the starting five.
If you don't want that, it's my

829
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:30,159
starting five, it's mine, it's
your shot. You're Frank and Tyler,

830
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:36,000
You're going for eighty two. Yeah, it's gonna sound crazy, but I

831
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:40,880
want rust Man, that's not crazy. I love that, and I want

832
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:46,639
that unit. I want the second
unit. I just I like the pace

833
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:50,920
pushing. I know you don't.
I know you don't think pace pushing is

834
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,719
is is necessary? Will I do
think it is in today's in today's game,

835
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,239
I mean I think easy buckets definitely. I mean I hear, I

836
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,599
hear you there. I just think
it. You know, you have to

837
00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:02,239
choose one or the other. You
have to choose a probing, methodical half

838
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:06,159
court offense, or you have to
choose to be fast, and that like

839
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:08,480
that affects what your starting lineup is
because it can't be both. You know

840
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:12,199
what I want to know and if
anybody in the chat can get this,

841
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,119
what was the pace in those sixteen
games in Brooklyn with with Harden, with

842
01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:22,280
Kyrie and with KD. I want
to know what that pace was because honestly,

843
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,559
we were to play at a faster
People realize, weren't they not all

844
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:29,800
playing together At the start of Harden's
thing. But I'm saying in the sixteen

845
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,880
games that they had together, yeah, a three. So Adam, who's

846
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:38,440
your starting five? I just I
want man in and I guess for Uss

847
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,559
because that's what I said in June. If they're going to bring in Harden,

848
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:45,639
you move into you make Russ the
focal point of the bench unit,

849
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,079
because that's when he's at his best. So how do you get the best

850
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:54,239
out of both these guys. Harden
starts, he gets featured more, Russ

851
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:59,320
gets featured more with the second unit. I know it's it's sacrifice, and

852
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,119
Russ has made up a lot of
them already for this team. I think

853
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,880
it's not easy, but I think
if you want this team and win a

854
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,239
championship, that is eventually what has
to be done. Well, the issue

855
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,199
here is shark in the box.
James is ten times better than Russ and

856
01:01:13,239 --> 01:01:17,079
it's not even close. The issue
with this is it's the rest of the

857
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:22,039
team. It's fit. It's not
about one. It's not one on one.

858
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,000
Yeah, I would, yes,
Russ is not the offensive player that

859
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:30,079
James is. However, Russ does
a lot of the other ship that the

860
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:32,840
Clippers don't do. Yeah, that
the Clippers themselves don't do. It's always

861
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:38,559
about the other parts of the team
and what we think can work more often

862
01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:43,039
than that. That's why we keep
That's why a lot of us say Russ

863
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:45,280
over James. James is fucking dope. I'm so happy to have him in

864
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:50,000
a Clippers jersey. I truly am. And PJ Tucker, Yeah, and

865
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:55,280
PJ Tucker that's the that's the Clips
jersey I'm getting. Carl Tart I love.

866
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:00,599
Before we get to Will's pick for
the starting lineup, Carl all Tarts

867
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:08,480
Clippers jersey lineup is gonna be is
gonna be something something? All right,

868
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:14,559
Well, you're starting five. I'm
going I'm gonna go a little nuclear here

869
01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:19,840
on this. Uh. I want
to see James Harden starting point guard.

870
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,559
I want to see I guess depend
on how you split the positions, Paul

871
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:27,880
George at the two, Terrence Man
as the three, Kawhi Leonard at the

872
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,119
four, PJ. Tucker at the
five. And let me just say,

873
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:35,599
I know that you're giving up on
some size. I think the defense is

874
01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:39,519
overall better, and I just also
think it's while you only have the fours

875
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:44,039
that you currently have and you're down
a center, this is the only way

876
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:49,199
that you can hide all of PJ. Tucker's negatives and still and still try

877
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:52,400
to use him when he can to
pair up defensively with the other team's best

878
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:57,480
score, which he can do instints. That's the thing. He can still

879
01:02:57,519 --> 01:03:00,000
be in flashes good defensively. I
just think it's the best way to use

880
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,880
him. You can't have him playing
heavy minutes with the second unit that already

881
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,440
sucks at defense. It just doesn't
make any damn sense. Zoo can cover

882
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:09,400
a lot of positions. Him being
on that second unit makes sense if you

883
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:14,440
have Russ as the guard on the
second unit, having Zoo as a lot

884
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:19,639
of threat. I do acknowledge that
his hands aren't perfect, but marks I

885
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:22,039
think, to me, that makes
a lot of sense. It makes a

886
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:23,880
lot of sense. And there is
a reason why I'm not a coach in

887
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:30,079
the NBA. But this is just
what I think. That is patently absurd.

888
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:35,920
It's just what I think. No, hey, when they do that

889
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,360
Tuesday and beat Denver, But in
my brain, it makes sense. You

890
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:46,440
can rationalize. I look, I
can see the rationality. Uh. That's

891
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:53,360
what makes me so sad about this
team right now is that PJ. Tucker

892
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,880
is so bad that we have to
be like we might as well starting with

893
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,800
our But I don't think he is. He has some I'm not saying that.

894
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:04,000
I think he has a real utility. Offensively, he's a zero.

895
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:09,239
I'm sorry. He shouldn't need him
for much offense if he can hang out

896
01:04:09,239 --> 01:04:14,320
and that I just mentioned. But
if you have any other non shooters around

897
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,079
him, it's a nightmare. Put
him in the like, put him in

898
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:20,199
the lineup with the most shooting.
All right, we should move. I

899
01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:24,679
mean that was the lineup in the
fourth when they made that run. They

900
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:29,079
had shooting around him. Somebody,
did we get, Adam? I think

901
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:34,199
I missed your start? Was it
all? It's actually Ubas has a brother.

902
01:04:34,239 --> 01:04:38,800
I'm putting in there too, Like, No, you put his mom

903
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:44,320
in that lineup? She could play
the four his mom. All all right,

904
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,360
we gotta wrap this up. Thank
you everyone hanging out the live Carl.

905
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,360
Yeah, can we get some positive
We haven't talked to the curse.

906
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,280
I don't know if we should talk
to the curse. It's not the time,

907
01:04:55,639 --> 01:04:57,960
is it not? That I don't
I don't want to hear from the

908
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,159
curse anymore. Right now I'm watching
it on the court every damn day.

909
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:08,559
The curse starting over Zoo right now? He is, he is, he

910
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:12,119
absolutely is. Well, we don't
know if it's a heat they are they

911
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:15,599
are starting on Zoo. It's the
Big Four and then the curse, because

912
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:20,320
curses are of course, you know, we don't know what's going over there.

913
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:24,280
We're gonna do an updyke fun check. This is something we used to

914
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,280
do on lockdown Clippers or we're checking
everyone's fun level. We're gonna start with

915
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,079
Will who this is named after him? And who Carl and Adam than me?

916
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:35,039
How are we feeling, Will?
What is your updyke fun check level?

917
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:43,280
Heading into the NBA Mid Season Cup
Tournament Fiesta against the Denver Nuggets,

918
01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:47,039
there was that carnival ride. If
you grew up in a rural area where

919
01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:50,679
there's like a bunch of circles and
you are inside of it and you flip

920
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:57,320
upside down, basically you're inside of
a wheel, essentially the zip and I

921
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,239
threw up in one and I was
scared that it was gonna come back and

922
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,719
and come and follow me, so
I started screaming for the ride to stop.

923
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:08,199
That's That's where I'm at right now. I think that's totally fair.

924
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,800
Heading I'm worried that my own throw
up from watching this is gonna fall on

925
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:17,679
me. Okay, Carl, what
is your fund check before this matchup?

926
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,480
I said at the beginning of the
season that this is gonna be my uh,

927
01:06:21,079 --> 01:06:29,239
this is gonna be my like New
York Jets style fan base season where

928
01:06:29,239 --> 01:06:31,039
it's like I'm just getting drunk.
Man, I'm having a good time.

929
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,800
I ain't going nowhere and like I'm
not gonna be a fan of the team

930
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:43,039
no more. Oh absolutely, it's
me and Keishawn Johnson arguing and that was

931
01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:46,880
a great day, had a great
day, and uh, I'm listen,

932
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,800
it sucks right now, but I
I have there is no doubt in my

933
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:56,719
mind that we will have these four
guys on the on the court and they

934
01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:00,079
will not provide us some very fun
basketball to watch eventually. Yes, there's

935
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:02,960
no doubt in my mind about it. There is a Yeah, there is

936
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,159
a light at the end of the
tunnel. I'm not at all saying that.

937
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:09,400
I'm just saying right now, Yeah, I mean it is the dregs

938
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,400
of the dregs. Yeah, I
hope the light isn't a train coming our

939
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:18,400
way. As Mike D'Antoni once said
that the Lakers now I'm I'm having fun.

940
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:25,440
I'm always having fun. Carlo Amenez
has been great. We referenced the

941
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:30,159
flip play from Derek Jeter to get
the Oakland A's out back in two thousand

942
01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:32,239
and one, two thousand and two, when Marcus Smart was on the floor

943
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:36,119
and somehow got the basketball to that
dude that got the layup late in the

944
01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:39,960
fourth quarter. I don't know,
I'm having fun, and I do think

945
01:07:40,119 --> 01:07:43,199
there was progress today. I know
a lot of people aren't going to see

946
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:46,440
it because they lost to the Memphis
Grizzlies, but that second quarter lineup's meaningful.

947
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:51,880
What they said pregames meaningful talking to
the entire team running it through James

948
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,320
Harden. That is what has to
happen. If the best version of this

949
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,079
Clippers team is eventually going to happen, the only way that's fair. I

950
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:05,920
totally agree. I think my level
of updyke fun checkness is I think I'm

951
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,239
at the same carnival will as that
I'm not at the same ride. I

952
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:15,400
just bought my third corn dog dropped
it disappointed, but I know that there's

953
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:19,840
another one coming, So I think
I'm feeling. I hope, like Daniel

954
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,760
said on the stream, I hope
that this is the worst of it because

955
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,439
I'm here. I'm here. We
have to talk about this team and watch

956
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,199
them no matter what, because this
is who we are fans of. Yeah,

957
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:33,359
I'm not pulling out receipts. I
I we we entrust all of our

958
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:38,239
receipts holding to someone else on this
Adam has all the receipts. But I

959
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,560
just we Like what Karl was saying, what else are we gonna do?

960
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:46,479
I'm not hoping for their downfall,
tell you that much, but can I

961
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,119
I didn't get a I didn't get
a Carnival reference, so I'm at the

962
01:08:50,119 --> 01:08:56,640
carnival too. My phones did Oh
I can't do I can't use Apple pay.

963
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,520
But luckily I was just in Vegas
this past weekend and hit on the

964
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,399
crab table for like a thousand.
So I just have randomly one thousand dollars

965
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:09,159
cash on me, and you're king
of the Carnival. Uh. Yeah,

966
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:11,760
I just have one thousands of which
I didn't mean to bring. And some

967
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,319
guys are staring at me and they
look unsavory. Sure, but I and

968
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:18,119
and and they feel I feel like
they saw me pull a wide out to

969
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:23,800
buy a funnel cake number four.
Yeah. Uh, but I enjoyed that

970
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:28,399
funnel cake. And a girl just
walked up to me and she is like

971
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,039
flirting with me. Could be a
setup from those guys. Oh yeah,

972
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:35,199
and she's she's Carnival bad. She's
Carnival bad. Like she's Carnival bad.

973
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:40,720
So Harley Quinn, Yeah, like
a Harley Quinn type just walked up to

974
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,560
me and she's hitting on me,
and I got her funnel but that's when

975
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:48,760
I pulled out the water cash.
Yeah. So she's holding a big wrench

976
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,319
and she's gonna beat me over the
head with it. But I ain't gonna

977
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:56,199
leave a carnival because I loved my
phones dead. I don't know what riodtes

978
01:09:56,279 --> 01:10:00,880
y'all three year own. All right, Adam, do you want a Carnifer

979
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,920
cars? Do you want a Carnival
thing? Before we send this out,

980
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:08,199
uh, Daniel said. Also,
I want to point out one of my

981
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:12,840
favorite bits from this episode is Adam
having a gun, which is now what

982
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,039
we're saying, I have a pellet
gun. I don't know, I'm not

983
01:10:16,039 --> 01:10:20,399
not that not that dude, but
uh yeah, I don't want to talk

984
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:24,039
about it like as a circus.
Right now, I'm going to try to

985
01:10:24,079 --> 01:10:29,880
step away from that, but I
understand yes, and yeah, come on,

986
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:33,640
man, Okay, we're on the
bumper cars and it's rough, and

987
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,159
you thought it was gonna look good. From the outside. It looks really

988
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:41,760
fun when you're watching the bumper cars. That's so fun until you're getting freaking

989
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,680
t bone left and right and put
in the grinder. Then it's not fun.

990
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:49,640
Then you're like, I'm paying to
have possible whiplash symptoms the rest of

991
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:54,319
my life. Like, but the
Carnival nine is in the bumper car with

992
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:58,760
you. Oh damn. Oh,
well, you can feel the steering wheel,

993
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,760
there's a there's a screwler something.
The Carnival line was running my Carnival

994
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:03,760
ride and she was like, you
know what, seems like you're having a

995
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:11,039
rough time, buddy. Why don't
you Why don't we take a little breather.

996
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,439
She leaves the ride running with an
unattended Anyways, I think we're getting

997
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:19,560
way off the rails here. We
should probably wrap this up. Adam or

998
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,600
whoever who wants to end this with
some closing words. I will say before

999
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,479
we get out of here. This
is clips and dip Clippers Podcast. You

1000
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,039
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1001
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1002
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,039
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1003
01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:38,800
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1005
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1006
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:51,279
Who's gonna wrap this thing up?
Carl? All right, he's to

1007
01:11:51,279 --> 01:11:55,560
wrap it up, baby, to
wrap it up. I'm not wrapping it

1008
01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:00,880
up. If y'all see me at
the Clipper game, say what's up?

1009
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:04,119
Dap me up? Chunk the deuce? Uh yeah, probably see me with

1010
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:08,119
the Carnival six at the game.
I mean, I'll be wilder with my

1011
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:11,039
second. But that's the best.
That's the best night of their lives.

1012
01:12:11,279 --> 01:12:15,039
Yeah, it was a sixth to
everyone watching, but she was a nine

1013
01:12:15,079 --> 01:12:21,479
to for some reason when I was
watching her hometown hornets. All right,

1014
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,920
we have to get out of here. Thank you everyone for hanging out.

1015
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:30,760
We'll be back with a double dip
on Tuesday, probably after whatever happens Tripod

1016
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:32,760
on Wednesday or Thursday. Carl tart
Is always thank you for being on the

1017
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,680
show. Shark in the Box,
Edge shining on the stream, he said,

1018
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,920
it's only up from here, right, That's what we're choosing to believe,

1019
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,640
and as always, let's go clips