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Welcome to the first episode of This
is Spartan Podcast. I'm your host Jason

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stray Warn, along with my co
host Otis Wiley and Jay u Cho Chu

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Colchrik. How fella's doing? Oh? Feeling good? Tomorrow? Is this

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game day? Man? Is juice
is flowing? I mean, went out

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to practice. I'm ready. I
know they're already been ready, but how

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are you feeling? It's always like
that this time of year, right,

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Jay, football player, This time
of year just brings back that them juices

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exactly. It's great, you know, just driving through campus, seeing the

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stadium set up, seeing the TV
trucks come in, and it just takes

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you back to you know, when
you played and you're walking around campus and

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you're like, damn, this is
all for me, is for us?

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You know, it's really cool.
East Lanton's buzzing right now. It's gonna

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be a lot of excitement in the
stadium tomorrow. Oh, looking at how

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many students were just walking around on
campus. You could tell there's a lot

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of energy here. Definitely, buzz
is high because the expectations now are high

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for the Spartans after an eleven and
two season a year ago. Mel Tucker

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a year ago unexpectedly just shocked the
world if you think about it, what

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he did in East Lansing with forty
seven new players on the pro on the

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team and then takes him to a
Peach Bowl win, a New Year Six

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Bowl game and eleven and two record. What do you say about this season?

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Oh, it's to like to that
point, it's pressure and uh and

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I think they understand the the platform
that they have and what they've built and

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the expectations. But I also think
that they know their DNA as a team

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where it's us against the world still
mentality, so regardless of win or lose,

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but you're going to get the best
effort in. You're going to see

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high volume, fast paced football where
you know, back in the years prior

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it was you just never knew what
was going to be you know, our

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offense or you know our defense for
a few years. So I'm excited about

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what they've been putting together for for
Friday and Marrow, still being able to

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keep that chip on the shoulder is
something that's the DNA of Michigan State and

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something that Mel Tucker has definitely adopted
into his program. And what do you

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see with Michigan State ju into this
year, Like what are you what's your

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outlook? Yeah? I think this
is the most important year for coach Tucker

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and his tenure at Michigan State.
You know, coming in his first year,

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it was the COVID year. Didn't
know what to expect, No one

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knew what to expect. Was there
a season, there's gonna be a season,

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There's not gonna be a season.
We're gonna do a season in the

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spring. Then we ended up having
the season and then next the next season.

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Last year, under the Radar going
Undetected had a great year, you

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know, brought in a bunch of
guys, brought over under on wins last

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year. I think it was six
wins. Yeah, it was the very

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best. Yeah. Yeah, brought
in a brought in a running back no

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one heard of Kenneth Walker, the
third from But so this is gonna be

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the most important year because the spotlight
are shining bright on East Lanton this year.

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There's a lot of emphasis there's a
lot of buzz going around the football

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program because of the success coach Tucker
had and also recruiting that's huge. With

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all that, I think are somewhere
in their coach Tucker's in the media more

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than any coaching football Oh by far
right, you know. So that is

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adding to the pressure, and that's
why I think, you know this year

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is going to be the most difficult
year for him to continue to have those

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guys play with that chip on their
shoulder and not read the press clippings.

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Oh yeah, you know, I
think you know that. You brought up

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a couple of great points there,
Ju, And then we're going to get

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back to you about, you know, with the Kenneth Walker as a running

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back and your assessment on the running
back position because there's some transfers that are

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now coming in that are running backs
that we're going to talk about. But

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before we do that, we're going
to talk about the staff and how that's

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been intact. And with the defensive
backs a year ago, Michigan State ranking

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fourteenth and the Big ten in past
defense. Otis you know you see mel

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Tucker in college football? Yeah,
dead last in college for one hundred and

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thirty years. So there's there's only
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one you gotta go up. And
Mel Tucker is now the cornerbacks coach.

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How do you see this playing out
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crazy with when we played with John
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in and Mark D'Antonio. Coach D
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and he took the safeties and then
coach Bartnett had the corners, but collectively,

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coach Bartnett controlled the room right,
but coach d spent one hundred percent

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time with the safeties because they are
the quarterbacks of you know, besides the

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middle linebacker. They got to be
the smartest one on the field. When

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you look at the difference now from
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it's all about the mentality of knowing
how to just check your man and run

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pound for pound with them. And
I think it's a point of emphasis this

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year is you know, we have
a corner in Charles Brett Brantley who is

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undersized but got the heart of a
lion. And then we got a mere

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speed that comes from the SEC and
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six, the size receiver, powerful
power like this. This guy's is a

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body man has a body type,
but I think it's the point of he's

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straight line speed, and so it's
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where this is not the SEC.
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football. So we're gonna see,
you know, how he handles that.

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But he helps that secondary and you
look at x xavier henperson like this guy

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is smart. Man like he is. He is a coach on the field

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and he controls the room, commands
the room. But also you'll see a

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new vibe of new kind of trajectory
of like that Spartan defense that we get

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three and out, we get the
ball back to the offense and then you

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know, we let the guys do
the work and then we just handle what

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we can control. So I'm excited
about it. Yeah, that's something.

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I mean, that's great points because
you think about mel Tucker being a defensive

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back specialist, Mark D'Antonio as you
talked about being a defensive back specialist,

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and Nick Saban, who had all
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one point in my era. They
played together, they all coached together,

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and they all three head coaches at
Michigan State and doing phenomenal job. And

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you know, let's go over to
the offense a little bit. Say we

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talk about the continuity Jay Johnson offensive
coordinator back again. You know, mel

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Tucker was able to retain him,
give him a raise his play calling ability.

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Uh what did you think about what
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ago? I thought he brought a
mixed bag to the table a year ago

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because going to Spartan, fans before
that were very frustrated with the offensive play

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calling and rightfully saw it was very
predictable. And we get it in the

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short side of the field jets sweet, yes, you know it's that toss

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pitch. You know, hey,
we got a big tight end. Let's

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uh give him a jet sweep to
everyone gets a jet sweep now. But

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it was very predictable to him coming
in and changing things up. He and

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the thing I really liked about what
he did last year he made Peyton Thorne

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feel comfortable. Peyton Thorne was never
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out and win the game for us
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and Kenneth Walker the third to take
the pressure off and no one knew exactly

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what to make of Walker, you
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that Northwestern gave first carry as a
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about those studies. You will remind
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no more than any back That's right, that's a whole lot. Yeah,

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But no, with the offense there, I know you're gonna deep dive,

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take a deep dive into the offensive
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part for this backfield here. But
you know, who's gonna replace Kenneth Walker.

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That's the big question. Who's gonna
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be that guy. Is it gonna
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or someone gonna step up and h
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room and be the guy. That's
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and that's something I'm really excited about. There's a bunch of people coming in

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that can do the job and fill
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up yet to say, Hey,
I'm the guy in this room. I'm

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gonna be the one to replace Kenneth
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very exciting to be able to see
what's gonna unfold at the game tomorrow when

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you think about Michigan State versus Western
Michigan. When you think about the defensive

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side of the ball again though,
that's when we take it from the defensive

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secondary and go down to the second
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you have a room there that's stacked
full of athletes. What do you see

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there? I mean, obviously we
got returning my man, you know how

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today like that guy that guy man
guys we called Paul but Jr. That

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guy is uh, he is just
he just goes out there and gets it,

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like you know, that powerful pound
every down he's giving it his best,

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right, and I think that it's
leading by example. And the other

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guys in the linebackers in that room
see that if you work hard and you're

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smart, and you're smart enough,
you make plays and you make him quick.

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I mean you think about how he
capped off last season with that pick

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six, right, Like the guy
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no glove, no glove, and
so you know I'm and then you know

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you got you got Darius no who
is obviously a dog by leniags right,

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and the guy is one of those
guys smart. I mean he was on

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the coaching show yesterday and you know
him and him and Coach Tucker talking and

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just you know, casually, but
it's it's a guy who's smart. I

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mean he said he's at three point
eight, but his dad has instilled that

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dog in him, right, Like
it's all about it's not football, it's

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the whole experience. But him coming
on out out there, we got some

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speed that we're able to go sideline
a sideline and dropping the hooking curl where

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I think that's going to add a
better element for you know, for safeties

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like myself, where you know that
that linebacker is going to be you know,

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re routing that receiver getting the hooked
curl, but he also know he's

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going to fill the hole to hit
that the running back. So I think

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it's a great kind of committee as
a start comfort if you're as a safety

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back there looking at some linebackers like
Cal Holliday, as you said, snow,

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does that give you comfort to be
able to have that eye control it.

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I mean, j J, you
probably can attestment. We had johonn

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L. Smith Man, like I
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in the box yeah, I was
like just like eating right, just coming

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out smack and trying to smack and
hit. But like you know, I

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had like what leading my software.
It was like second tackles and leading this

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in the defense. Like when coach
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that's a problem and we had athletes, but like it was the scheme that

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we had that was just not as
fitting. But it is comforting to know,

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like, Okay, that guy I
know in trust, he does his

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job. I'm gonna do my job. So I know the defensive line,

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hey, get get to the quarterback
in three seconds if it releases, I

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got my guy locked down where I
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Like I think that's the the whole
trust factor of the eleven and whoever comes

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out on the sideline just adds to
that too. So so with that,

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I think this defensive group on this
team had the longest offseason of all time

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because they had to hear the noise
about how you know, they were not

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good enough. It was because of
the offense. That's why they found the

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success. So I think these guys
talk about playing with a chip on your

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shoulder. I'm excited to see them
play tomorrow night. Oh yeah, I

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mean practice. I mean I would
now it's the emphasis of attention to detail,

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because it's like when the dogfight is
gone and it's pound pound who's going

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to let up? You know,
it's not gonna be us, Like we

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got to be attention to detail,
work the same technique just as the beginning

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of the game to the end of
the game. So I think it's gonna

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be great Friday where we can get
hopefully a big lead, where we can

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see some of our young guys get
some game game time. Absolutely, you

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know, looking forward to seeing a
lot of guys play against Western Michigan.

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I mean, everybody's talking about the
combination of Peyton Thorn playing against his father,

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who is the offensive coordinator for Western
Michigan. Jeff Thorne, who won

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a national title at North Central College, did take the job in Kalamazoo for

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Western Michigan. Now, so this
is something that's a little wrinkle that we

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haven't seen where you have a player
actually going against the father. And I

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know we have interviews with him and
all that, but we'd like to talk

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to his mom if we could.
That's something Cindy was talking to us about

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earlier. But like, what do
you think, Jay, you look that

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Peyton Thorn, returning quarterback of his
caliber brings to the table. Like when

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you have the newer running back so
Ken thea Walker's gone and now you have

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two transfers who are here and Jalen
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take pressure off of those younger guys? Of those newer guys, I won't

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call him young when you have a
quarterback like Peyton Thorn. I think Peyton

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Thorne's confidence is through the roof right
now, as it should be, because

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he had a year under his belt
where he didn't have to be the guy.

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He had Walker he can lean on. Now he has to be the

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guy on the offensive side. He's
getting the accolades, he's getting the recognition

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now. So I think he's gonna
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for those guys who are going to
be like, Okay, Peyton's got us,

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He's gonna lead us. My question
is this all right? We all

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played, you know, we spoke
to you know, family members during the

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week about you know, hey,
how you feeling. Peyton's Dad's a coach,

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Peyton's a player, He's coached his
son before in the past. I'm

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sure every week Peyton's leaned on him
for Avice to say, hey, you

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know, what do you think about
this? As his dad's called him,

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how are you think do you think
they spoke this week? I guarantee you

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they spoke, but I don't think
it's about I don't know. I know.

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George proposed a question to coach Tucker
like, hey, have you have

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you picked Peyton's brain about like,
you know, the you know, offense

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over there to prepare for the defense
and I mean, listen, you know

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mill it. Coach Tucker is a
smooth brother man, like you already know.

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He was like, he goes,
he goes, man, that's almost

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a sin against the football guys.
And that was the best answer. He

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was like He's like, we prepare
for like we prepare for anybody else.

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And that he was like, you
know, it's great to have a quarterback

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who is a coach's son and you
have a guy out there who knows how

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coach wants this to be ran and
he's out there with full confidence. I

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think it's really good to get Noah
Kim out here once, you know,

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hopefully tomorrow, like I said,
we get a lead where we can see

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him and we can see kind of
what the future may be. Or for

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some guy reason that you know,
somebody, something happens. We have contracts,

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if you think about it. We
haven't had quarterbacks strong like in that

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room that we know we can trust. That's right, death wise, Right,

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we always been putting eggs and there's
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yeah, there's a drop off.
So interesting to see how that goes.

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But I think conventionally the brand of
Michigan State football, but even this university,

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is that we can't play around with
these games like this, right,

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you know we've seen it, right, Oh yeah, yeah, you gotta.

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You know, when in games like
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opponent if you plan on being at
that elite coward. I know that Mel

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Tucker talks about it a lot.
He does it every day and practice his

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recruiting style. It's all about playing
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You talk to those guys in that
locker room. They expect to win every

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game that they play. They don't
shy away from it, and that's something

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that you know, don't Yeah,
that's quite frank exactly how it should be.

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That way. They should feel that
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you see a guy like Peyton,
I love that the answer that Mel gave

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the sin against the football guys,
because we talked about it as well from

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the Western Michigan side. Do you
think the defensive coordinator goes to Jeff Thorn

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and says to him, Hey,
what are Peyton's weaknesses? You know,

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like that shouldn't happenes. It never
lies, man, And you know,

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going into you know, looking at
the big fellas in the trenches on the

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defensive side of the ball, You've
got you know, Marco Coleman as a

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new defensive line coach, along with
past rush specialists, uh Brandon Jordan,

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who is just phenomenal. Kevin Vickerson
analysts that it's a spartan dogg that's doing

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everything. I mean, these guys, the players love the combination of these

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three coaches up front, and all
accounts from what has been going on in

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camp and scrimmages is that that defensive
line is ready to go. Man.

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That's speed. I mean, when
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like we trouble and rubble. Yeah, I just can't wait, man,

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sit on this island. Just I
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But it's practice. It's going to
be the same level. It's always high

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intensity coming off in bull rushing and
you know, being the defensive guy.

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We always wanted the quarterbacks to go
live, but they're ready to hit another

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live. Yeah, look at their
jobs, aren't they. You know,

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that's one of the things that you
know, I think about what Xavier Henderson

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was quoted in saying a few weeks
ago is that we're going to go as

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far as our offensive line takes us. To me, what that is saying

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is, you know, we only
go as we're only as strong as our

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weakest linked. So this is where
there if there's any areas of concern,

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it's gonna be the offensive line.
And you know coach Capron Kapelvic Camp,

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coach cap Man, that's what I
call him. Yeah, Coach cap He's

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got his work cut out for him. He's got some returning players. Obviously,

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the three guys in the middle.
You're looking at guys like JD the

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Plane, who is a strong guy, very athletic guy, plays guard and

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center. You have a transfer Brian
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guy who's rolling in their guard and
center position. You know, the tackles

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are where Michigan State had struggled a
year ago a little bit. You've got

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you know Horst, who's a guy
who who's had some up and downs with

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at Michigan State. And but there's
an emergence of a young player like Brendon

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Baldwin, who's who's playing really well, had a great camp, you know.

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guy's work ethic is through the roof. He's really made himself into a fine

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football player. I tell you that
much. So those guys. But he's

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unproven for a full season. So
on the tackles, you know, what

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are they gonna do? You know, against the heavy speed rush, those

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those those power rushers that you can
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those teams that are gonna bring the
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think with the advantage that this offensive
line has right now, it's they've been

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going against this defensive line from Michigan
State, so they can they have a

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little edge to them about it.
And also too, I think in their

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heads they know like, hey,
we didn't get the credit we deserved last

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year. You know there was musical
chairs there. Sometimes there was up and

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downs and everything like that. So
this year also too' that's the biggest point,

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focal point on the offense is that
offensive line. You know, with

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them going, then Michigan State will
be able to do different, multiple sets

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and different things in the offense.
If they're just strictly a great run block

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team or a great pass block team, that's gonna turn us to one dimensional

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and we're gonna have it's gonna be
dog fights in games. Defense is gonna

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have to make a stop. And
now you're talking winning games seventeen fourteen as

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opposed to going thirty something to seventeen. So that offensive line, that's a

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that's tomorrow. That's where my eye
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field right. And the other key
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gonna be the wide receiver position.
You look at Jayden Reed coming out after

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a phenomenal year a year ago,
number one, and you're on the jersey

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and number one in your hearts.
Jaydan Reed is out there. They call

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it bird and Peyton Thorn is the
bird feeder. So you have him and

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then you have players like ke Coleman. Now, I mean talk about Coleman

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and Trey Moseley, those type of
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is gonna do what Reed does.
It's that simple. He's gonna do his

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thing. Who's gonna be the next
person to step up and take some of

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that pressure off Reid. Who's gonna
be the person that is that's gonna fill

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in for what we lost in Jalen
Naylor, Kean Coleman, athletic to sport

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athlete. But I'm telling you,
guys Moseley, well, you know it's

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good that they got game spirits last
year. It was they were they were

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key pieces, like key pieces in
some of those drives last year, right

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like and even like I mean Kean
Coleman, I mean, have you seen

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this guy in the warmost basketball though? Like this man, it is a

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I mean, I mean, it's
ridiculous, but it's to the point of

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that he is a matchup problem from
a strength standpoint. Ke Coleman is right

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speed. Now, Trey Mosley,
we're tall. It reminds me of Ohio

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State's trio last year. Like the
chemistry that you see them like build uh,

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it's it's basically read being that leader
that he is leading by example.

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But like those guys have like legitimately
wanted to be better. And let's talk

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about coach. Coach Hawkins has changed
this whole trajectory where we used to have,

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you know, a few receivers that
we was a bride receiver you for

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a while. He has changed the
trajectory with them guys working hard, but

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like if you don't block, you
don't get no time. No block.

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That's right. Yeah, So let's
let's step back here and give some shoutouts

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and kudos to coach Hockeys. For
sure, he put that blue collar mentality

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in the in the wide receivers room
there because a lot of wide receivers they

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don't want to get dirty. They
want to get they want to be pretty,

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get get dressed up nice with the
arms they got out of shine everything.

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I'm just saying, these guys don't
traditionally like to get their hands dirty,

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want to come back and do a
crack block and you know, different

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things like that. But I think
Coach Howkins has done a great job of

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instilling the spartan way with these guys. It's saying, you know, back

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in the day with the Andre Risings
himself, the Plexico Burrs, all these

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people who had success here. I
think that's where we're coming. And how

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one of you guys, Trey,
that's my guy. That's he's gonna be

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the unsung guy in the wide receiver
cords. He's sneaky, he's not as

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big as you think. And then
you see me like, wow, he's

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big. He's and then you say, oh, he's not that fast,

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and then you see him run.
He's fast. That guy, he's gonna

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be the one that emerges. You
know. You know what I saw last

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year is that the receivers if for
some reason like drop the ball or miss

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a block, Like you never saw
anyone get locked up in that failure,

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right, It was like next play, next play, next play, and

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then you short memory and then you
see big players happen, Reed or Naylor,

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like just the mentality of look that's
yesterday, let's go the next next

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play, memory of a fish.
But let's talk about our tight ends.

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Oh yeah. But then also the
freshman. Though there's a freshman, we're

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gonna like reserve our judgment until he
actually gets yeah, yeah, practice,

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I'm waiting till I see it.
But yeah, smooth, yeah, yeah,

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I think they're moving the number.
But yeah, but he looked awful

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good out there. I'm like the
show Missouri to show me State, show

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me my true dog right here.
My grandfather talk is cheap good whiskey costs

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money. But it's the tight end
room. I'm an elite car and the

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NFL tight end. Yeah, Barker, Barker, NFL tight end, two

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of them. Yes, Now what
was Barker's Maybe, as Hill is,

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you got to learn the system,
you know Illinois. I mean, so

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he had a game against us when
we played them, right, all time

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leading touchdown receptions for a tight end
in Illinois history. And he and he

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still has eligibility. He leaves crazy. Get this guy. I mean you

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look at the eye test those two
guys they got and but the hands,

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you know, you see, I've
seen Barker probably five or six times he

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called everyone and some of them weren't
break passes. Yeah, when you get

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a hybrid tight end, you probably
you can attest this in the league that

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can go slot and be a threat
on the on the on the line,

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and also in emotion, you know, as as back coming off that blot

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like just a triple threat that causes
problems for the defense. Sure, because

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if you're game playing for Michigan State
and you have a tight end that you

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can go on the slot and play
in the slot and run, what do

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you do? Do you put a
blindbacker out there? Okay, he's gonna

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be fasten them. Do you bring
a safety down? Now you're leaving exposed

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over there. So that causes problems, and that makes a defense have to

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spend extra time trying to figure out
what we're gonna do if they go to

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this set. So that's great.
You know my issue with the transfer,

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what's he gonna do with the bright
lights? He's from ill Nois. I

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get it. You know, it's
a big ten football, but now it's

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eighty thousand people week in and week
out that's gonna be watching them. They

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didn't get it a successful season a
team who is half success exactly? Yeah,

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you know the deep water in the
deep water. Can he be comfortable

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in the deep end to see see? You know you like challenging, you

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know he likes to challenge people.
That's what football really is, just like

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life. It's all about challenges and
how you're gonna face them. And we

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don't we reserve our judgment for players
until they actually show up. It's hard

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like nowadays in recruiting. We love
kids, but until they actually show up

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to campus, real dogs don't really
buy into any of that, right you

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know? So, I mean I
understand what you're saying. So that's a

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deep breakdown into the players for Michigan
State. Now, what do you guys

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think as far as this season's record. When you look at the game and

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I think you were gonna say something
about kickers, like they're not people,

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we got to Yeah, geez,
I'm just gadding clock and finally ran out

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after twenty years because he set the
record so far somewhere, I will wait.

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So we don't like receivers and we
don't like kickers. I love receivers

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because our kickers can go gamble or
play some cards during practice. Yeah,

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these kickers took the cart to the
Oaklands Mall during two days, the trainer's

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cart. Really. Yeah, nobody
missed them because they're not players. Oh

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my, you need them, We
need them, We'll tell you. Stone

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is one of those guys that once
you get past the forty of the opposing

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defaul money, you got the big
games. Yeah, big games. He's

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got a big time. Gh me, that's I was about to pull up

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point of I don't want to bring
up the day with one of our kickers

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who've got ghosted after but it's a
that's a high pressure position. I'm sorry,

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my god, I'm sorry. But
he said this because you what it

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is. Oh yeah, yeah,
that's what it is. Yeah, that's

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what he's like. If I could
do it, you should do it.

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People. They're not people are players. Listen. Let's be like coaching our

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doozy where you line up the punters
and the kickers in a tackling drill against

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the defensive backs, telling get over
here, you're not doing anything. There

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are tackling dummies exactly. Dudes.
We got to talk to dudes man,

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like they would have won that game. They had what he wants the kickers

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to get that back in the day. You can't do that, right yeah

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right yeah. So, like looking
at this season game by game, if

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you want to go through the schedule
or just give us a just in your

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mind this, what do you think
Michigan State does this ship. I think

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we will win, will be we'll
be undefeated. To when those Buck guys

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come into town undefeated, and do
you understand like they got that, they

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got that marked up on that calendar. Obviously it's game by game. We

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can't overlook it because everyone is as
an opponent and you can get me any

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any day. But that Ohio State
game last year truly truly measured our program.

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And I think now it's like,
look, we're not one. We're

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worried about everybody. But if we
want to be elite, if we want

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to get to the CFP, if
we want to get to the national championship,

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you gotta beat the Buckey goes through
Columbus, goes to Columbus, and

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then we gotta take care of those
guys down the road. But for sure,

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Wisconsince comes back into town. That
that rivalry that you know, Russell

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Wilson and Kirk Cousins, and we
went out to play them, but it

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was like a two year off,
two year on. We would never get

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that that that rivalry going. But
that started around that big ten championship game

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where we should have won that game. That punt that ripped it amount out

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of it. So they're coming back, and we already know Wisconsin is pound

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pound pound right office in Linemen are
always ingredients. They're coming so those are

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these and it's back to back.
So it's one of those where back to

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back to back. Yes, Wisconsin, Wisconsin at home and then on the

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road to Michigan. And I think
that's where we have to truly, they've

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been working on an off season to
build that perseverance in that body and that

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mentality and that mental perseverance to get
to that, because that's gonna be that

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that that October stretches like it's a
murderous row. Yes, dog, yeah,

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I mean October. Now we talk
about TV rights, now media is

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perfect for that. Right. The
numbers are gonna be off, yeah,

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I mean I don't want to play
back back back to back, but right,

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yeah, yeah, the ratings are
gonna be high. What about you,

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Jay, what are you thinking?
You know? I think, uh,

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just the Spartans are going to play
with the chip on this shoulder.

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I feel they have a lot to
prove. I think there's gonna be one

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slip up this year, but it's
not gonna be against a team that we

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think like, oh my god,
like something like Ohio State. It's gonna

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be some fluky game, you know, something like like like yeah, like

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a Purdue like last year kind of
thing. And but I think we're gonna

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be writing contention, you know for
the Big Ten title. I you know,

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definitely feel with the coaching staff that
we have, the players, the

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program, the way that things are
being run, we're gonna be in a

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position to make a run for that
playoff spot. You know. For me,

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I think one of the most key
games, the most critical games for

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them will be going on the road
for the first time out to Washington.

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You know, go to Washington to
Seattle. That's an it's not an easy

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road trip. You know, Michigan
State has gone out there to play Oregon

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before and not had a lot of
success out there. But yeah, oh

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yeah, yeah. It was extremely
high, extremely high. Yeah, unseasoned,

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very loud. You think that the
Pacific Northwest doesn't have they have fans

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that go crazy in small stadiums.
So and then you're also facing a familiar

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opponent in the quarterback in Pennix who
played for you. He's an Indiana quarterback

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transfer who has beaten Michigan State and
he's got that redemption song like coming back.

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Like to me, that is one
of the games that if Michigan State

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can go out there and handle the
b and like, take care of business

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seriously, not just win closely,
but convincingly. Then I think they can

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be on a way, you know, to try to get into that college

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football playoff discussion. But it all
comes down to what's gonna happen in October.

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I think, yeah, I think
that Washington game, it's not gonna

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come down to ex's and o's on
the field, if we win or lose.

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It's gonna come down to the preparation
and how how you carry yourself going

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in there. East Coast team going
to the West Coast. It's a little

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easier than West Coast coming to the
East Coast, but you know, you

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have to get there, probably a
day earlier than usual, change everything up.

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Don't get sucked into you know,
because Washington beautiful stadium. You know

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people do instead of tailgating to do
ce Gaden sail gate on the boats and

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everything. The stadium overlooks it looks
the Pacific Ocean. You can't be focused

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on it. You can't get caught
up in the noise. You got to

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keep your poison the noise. And
I think if they get pie all those

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distractions, they'll handle business. I
mean, the beautiful thing about coach Tucker

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and his leadership is that it's pro
style across the entire board when it comes

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to travel and game prep on game
day or the night before, like treats

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them like the pros that they're supposed
to be adults, right, Like,

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it's not heavy, heavy, heavy
meetings. It's really led like it's up

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to the coach, the position coach
to you know, do a small meeting

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here and there. But it's pro
style. So it's like he wants the

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players to be relaxed as possible,
to be like just low key chill.

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And then if you're not prepared by
time, you know, the game before

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the game or day before the game, like you're not gonna get prepared.

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So I mean that's kind of like
a coach d was was like I'm not

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gonna hoo rah ray you and your
blood should be boiling and if it's not,

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don't run out the stands. I
think that you know, last year's

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a big road game going down to
Miami. Meltucker showed, you know,

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in the preparation and the week's leading
up to the Miami game that they were

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ready. They did the hydration plan, the nutrition plan in order to not

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cramp up it's very easy, dude, down there by the equator in Miami.

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Similar approach to this game. Going
out to Washington is something they're gonna

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need to take and handle that as
a business trip, as you just said.

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But you know, looking at this
season, you know it's gonna be

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an exciting time. We're all very
excited about what tomorrow's game is going to

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look like. Right now, we
are going to close this show up man,

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where my co hosts Otis Wiley and
j u Culchrick. I'm Jason Strayhorn.

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Until next time, good night,
God bless and go Green, Go

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White, Go White. Knock down. That's smart

