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Hey everybody, it's Friday, March
fifteenth. Welcome to BombCast Revengeance. I've

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decided we're going to take a whole
new tone to this show right now.

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You know, we watched Mikey Boy
beat it right before this on non professional

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Friday. You guys are gonna get
me in trouble. The community was also

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away and beating it in Bulatro.
Baby, I'm your host, Jana Choe,

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welcome to BombCast Revengeance. Joining me
co captain of the ship as always,

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He's the constant ace up our sleeve. Jeff Grubb, I love to

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watch my friends beat it. The
mic kind of got clipped you there.

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Yeah, it's all of the best. I think it's probably for the best.

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It's probably for the best. We've
got our own joker. He's wild.

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He fits in every type of suit. He's multiplying all the time.

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Mike Manati Alsma. That might be
Dad. Yeah, it's me. I'm

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good at Pialatro Immortal Kombat Mythologies.
That's right, soon to be number seven

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on the charts. That's legitimately very
impressive. Michael Oh, thank you.

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Jan Oh Yeah, that's a word
for it. Yeah, and we got

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our man on the street. Our
man on the field, reporting live from

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outside checking out the birds. Dan
record, I'll check in right now.

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In the last eight and a half
minutes, I've been out here, We've

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got a blue jay afoot, We've
got a harry woodpecker. We've got a

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red bellied woodpecker, we got a
red winged blackbird. They're all over the

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place. I found black capped chickadee, a house finch, and a northern

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cardinal are all in the immediate vicinity
within the last ten minutes. So we're

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gonna keep an eye out here.
So you've not heard a house sparrow?

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Do you say house sparrow? I
think I might have seen one this morning

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at like seven o'clock, but I've
not identified it. It's not on my

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life list yet. No, okay, because they are everywhere in my place.

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There's a million house sparrows left and
right and center all over the place.

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That's the one I get the most
of online break breaking news. A

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downy woodpecker is said. We do
have a hairy woodpecker, a red bellied

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woodpecker, and a downy woodpecker around, as well as the pilliated woodpecker,

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which is the pterodactyal that keeps attacking
my house. But no, the sparrow.

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I have not seen a lot of
those. Definitely. The one I

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have the most is the red winged
blackbird that is all over the place.

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I'm sewing this app right now,
Dan, is this Stockholm syndrome? Are

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you having Stockholm syndrome? From the
bird attacking your house holding you hostage?

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And now you're like getting super into
birds as a response to this is what

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I did with mortal combat mythology.
Yeah, yeah, no one's ever No

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one's ever compared Moral combat mythology is
sub zero to birdwatch. We're all about

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breaking boundary. Here a giant bonds. Yeah, you turn a negative into

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a positive. Yes, yes,
numerous times a day. My wall is

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about to collapse from a giant woodpecker, and my dog's go insane and everything

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goes in disarray. But I have
a new hobby. Now I'm looking into

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backpacks, I'm looking into new binoculars. I got all sorts of stuff going

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on. Oh, Dan, are
you gonna go as far as to get

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like a geely suit so you can
hide so the birds can like on come

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to you. I've looked at I'm
gonna start dressing like a Dudley boy.

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So I got like camo going on. Yes, I'm gonna start going like

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into the bush. I think there
is I keep getting sound. I'm sorry,

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what, Mike, He must be
watching funny YouTube videos in the background

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or something. Penny, tell me
more about your going to get to the

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bush. All right, I'm gonna
go deep into the bush. I'm getting

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waterproof gloshes and uh, I'm gonna
be protected from the elements. Uh.

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You see, I gotta go down
there. There's a mallard. I keep

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hearing a mallard. I can hear
it, and my phone hears it,

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and it's down there and all I
can see is the ripples. I haven't

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made a full visual idea on the
mallet yet, so I'm keeping all out

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there. Uh. So, my
I have the newer iPhone and it has

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like the really good zoom lens for
iPhones, and I've just been trying to

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snipe birds because Scout scares off every
single bird in the vicinity as soon as

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she hears it. So so I'm
gonna have to strategize my my birding do

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the sound stuff like I've done the
photo. The photo thing works pretty well.

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But like I think the sounds it's
like live and then you can start

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identifying the actual like I I know
the song of the red winged blackbird.

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Now it's like, oh, I
know what that is. There's the mallard

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that's this? You know, I
like it. You see any snipes yet,

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Dan? No No. I went
hunting for of in Iowa when I

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was a kid, though, and
I didn't find any. Get to go,

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really, get to go really early
in the morning. I go as

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far into the woods as you probably. It was like three in the morning,

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and I went real far ahead with
that bag. I didn't see any.

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Keep trying. I think I get
it. Gentlemen, Welcome to the

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end of the week, and folks, thank you for joining us for another

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episode of BombCast Revengeance. We got
a couple of games to chat about off

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the tippy toppy here. But since
we're talking about the bird app Merlin,

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right, that's a Merlin, that's
all. It is, like a Disney

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character, Okay. I would have
like several different iterations good one. Uh.

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Yesterday during voicemail dumb Truck, when
Dan brought up the Merlin app,

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I wound up asking about if there
was an app to identify mushrooms and shout

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out to tickle Bits because Ticklebits suggested
Merlin to Dan. They also suggested the

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app Seek by Eye Naturalist, and
it reminded me I already had that app

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on my phone and I was identifying
a bunch of plants and stuff yo by

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my apartment. I grew up in
Daily City, like majority of my life,

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but this part of Daily City,
there's so many mushrooms that I'm low

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key terrified. Are they like things
that like have a dog eate him?

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Would it be bad for him?
I have no idea. Uh, but

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some of them are like very large
and bulbous and like, I mean a

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lot of mushrooms are very phallic looking. But some of them are just like

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damn, they look like like like
soccer balls sometimes like that size and it's

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just big and around. Yeah.
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size of like this jar, just
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Yeah, I like that they should
only look like they do in Mario Brothers.

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I hate when I see other kinds
of mushrooms. You don't like the

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chicken of the woods, like those
weird like plinky, the ones that look

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like they be platforms in like a
wood level of a three D platformer.

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Well, those are cool there,
like Little Nemo the dream Master. It'd

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be like, yeah, I just
get more excited when I see one that

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looks exactly like I imagine a mushroom
looks like in my head, which I

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do. Have my yard sometimes,
which I've learned is not good. It

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means your yard is dead or decrepit. That they used some word to say,

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yeah, that only happens because that
that yard is bad. I'm like,

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okay, well shit, do you
see the uh I got the bread

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on the tree here? So yeah, I had two places one of yeah,

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one bird kabab was taken, the
other one is fresh. Also,

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I am sitting on the deck that
was like red alert on my house inspection.

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That is like, dude, to
collapse at any minute. So this

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could be the funniest possible last podcast
I ever. Wait, so wait,

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what have you done anything about this
information? Nope, that's gonna have to

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be next year because I got a
retaining wall to I gotta keep my house

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from falling into this pond. That's
first, and then I'll worry about not

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collapsing on this deck. That's what
it's retaining. Okay, your whole house,

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I'm gonna word you right now.
Cannot be a bit where you like

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have made a video of your deck
falling down by pretend and I have a

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hard I have my lines and we're
crossing them to it's faking my own death.

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That's okay, noble line. Yeah, that's not fake that you broke

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that story today. I did always, for years and years, hope that

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Andy Kaufman was pulling like a super
elaborate thing. Of course I hoped for

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that, you know, I was
always hoping the same, but for Eddie

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Guerrero. But like that dude's like
dead dead. I was listening to listen

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to Deadlock and James, one of
the hosts, went to the Roy Rumble

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this year, but he doesn't watch
the product, so he doesn't know that

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the l wo's music starts with Viva
Larasa and so, and he couldn't see

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the screen from where he was sitting, so he just heard that music during

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the rumble and he's like, what
what are they do? Eddie coming out

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maybe a smidge lower on that game
thing, by the way, damn yeah,

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way, Jura says, just chiming
in. This would not be a

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workplace injury. Thanks, I'm m
hm, and they demand that you bird

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while podcasting. He did, he
did. I've got the paper trail.

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No playing games here because we played
games before this podcast. We're going to

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talk about them now. I'm thinking
about getting an electric guitar to uh well

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live play the transition music. Great, yeah, might go there, he

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goes. It doesn't quite match the
vibe I was looking for, but it's

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it's he's got the electric guitar of
faces. There we go. Actually I

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like that. Oh yeah yeah,
and then we'll get like a tumbleweed rolling

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through. I have to admit I
was still playing Blattro while the podcast was

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happening. But to be clear,
I made a booboo because I was playing

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Blattro all the podcast is happening.
I'm on Anti seven, about to actually

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be therem getting one hundred thousand like
every two hands h And I wasn't looking

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because I was talking to you guys. And I did the thing where I

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swapped out all of my jokers for
one like polychrome Joker or something like that.

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Everything point five. That's good.
Yeah, And I just watch all

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my jokers disappear. So I've been
punished cosmically for this, so don't worry,

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buddy, quick. The first rare
bird I've seen there is a purple

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finch in the area and also a
dark eyed junko. Whoa the dark eyed

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junk the chunk house in your yard? Wait, does it really rank them

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by rarity? Yeah, you get
a red dot next one if it's rare.

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Oh, the dark eyed junko is
cute. No, dark eyed juno

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is kindness, But yeah, that
is. The purple finch is the rare

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one that's around here right now.
Yeah, but I'd rather have a junko

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scene. Amount of birds around you, Dan, there's a lot of birds.

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Yeah, I have been playing or
I started playing again. Prince of

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Persia The Lost Crown. Hey,
uh we chatted yesterday on Game of Mornings

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about the DLC dropping for that,
like you know, like maybe is it

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a waiting for that to drop.
I'll just try and like jump back in

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and beat it. And let me
tell you, I completely forgot how celeste

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esque some of the platforming Crown segments
are. And just like Jesus Christ,

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I feel so alive whenever I'm not
touching the ground, and like you just

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get through the whole level it's oh
my god, yep, that's it's like

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the Bilatra thing where you make the
mistake where you set the fake version of

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yourself and then you like go to
work back, or like you go to

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set one and you forgot that you
set one before and then you warp way

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back to the beginning of the whole
jumping sequence, like that screwed me up

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a bunch. Is the DLC,
Like, is it addition to like single

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player stuff? So, yes,
a single player there's going to be a

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series of updates. There will be
some like stuff that's like, oh,

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here's a challenge pack of different things
of like the platforming challenges or the combat

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Challengrush Boss Rush. But there is
going to be a story DLC at the

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end of this. So there's gonna
be some free updates, and then a

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little bit later there's going to be
full on story addition to the game that

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is a full on expansion standalone like
new areas or is it like baked into

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ther I don't think we know that
yet. Yeah, okay, yeah,

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but it turns out that photo map
system still plays really well when you're revisiting

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the game, like a couple of
months later, and like Okay, I'm

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kind of parsing together where I was
supposed to be going, what I was

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doing, or what was at least
important to me and Jesus Christ y'all.

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It's just it just controls so well, like the level of air control,

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and then uh, like the maneuverability
in like being able to pivot but also

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just do that like somersault back and
then like dashing forward. The movement is

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great, and like the combat I
I wound up trying to switch it up,

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and instead of just going full melee, I did the thing dan where

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you shoot you kind of like charge
the boat, so you shoot at the

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boomerang. And then I upgraded that
a bit. And then I didn't realize

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how handy that donut would be.
Wait, I'm trying to remember, can

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you warp yourself to that to the
boomerang thing? Yeah? Totally, Yeah,

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that is an upgrade. I might
not have that ability yet, but

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that okay, well I know what
I'm doing what I was saying, Okay,

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yeah, oh yeah, that's what
I thought. What donut are you

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talking about? Oh no, no, you're charging up the boat. Oh

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oh okay, got a hole in
it? I'm sorry? What nothing I'm

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sorry. Look, I can't help
it now, Okay, you guys just

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keep screaming from about beating it and
going into bushes. Now, my mind's

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in a dirty place. I'm sorry, Mikey. I don't know video games

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and birds. Mike. Yeah,
it's really excited for Stowar Blade so that

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the revolution can finally, the revolution
is here, everybody, the revolution of

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butts in video games. I can't. I can't. Like Yo, people

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need to fucking they need to cut
everyone's ethernet Court Jane. Sounds like you're

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not part of the revolution. You
want to be left behind, buddy,

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Listen. It's been well documented.
I enjoy rear ends and very thick thighs.

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I the way that some people be
going about this like y'all should be

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kinkshamed. Yeah, they have not
been bullied enough. Absolutely, y'all have

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not been bullied enough. Maybe I
don't advocate for bullying or physical violence,

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but maybe you should just get like
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like a pat on the back that's
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spill your drink. One of those
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That's good. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. I've also been playing

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as much back then. I didn't
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couple times in the past, to
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I've never really played it. Okay, and Jan were you of the age

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where it's it was just the holy
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like a very brief window of age
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mentioned yesterday, I remember checking out
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bit. I don't think I ever
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curious about it because I like Star
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two era multiplayer stuff. Is this
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have nostalgia for it fun? Yeah? If you you know, you're like

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you're like me, you just like
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to check out. I think that
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presented very well bought matches, there's
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was surprised how much those newer Batfront
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mean, you know, this collection
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not even a remaster really. It
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some things like okay, yeah you
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mode and whatnot. I think they
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because these games do mean so much
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Let me look, you like,
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then I'm and I'm running around hath
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it's gonna do something to me.
I am that simple. That is an

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amazing superpower those games have. It's
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it makes everything seem more exciting and
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being on those menus more than playing
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mean, that's the thing about Star
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like almost eighty percent of it,
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to have a really good time most
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licensed games, you, Jeff,
you and Tam were just laying into Jurassic

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Park games say that they're never been
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Jurassic Park tradition slander slot. Wait, was Rampage Edition an update on the

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Genesis game? I had the Genesis
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That's the messed up thing. Ramp
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just called a ramp Page Edition for
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that's weird. I only original.
I don't think I ever even thought about

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getting Rampaged. It's much better.
It's similar, but much better. Yeah,

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play Rampage Edition. Fun. Also
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sims. I thought, yeah,
that's what I said. I tried to

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be like, I couldn't remember they
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thought people like you did bring up
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and loved for being real freaking weird. Steph likes that a lot. My

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wife really enjoys that dressing Park game. So it was gonna do Trespasser and

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have to cosplay as mini driver with
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great. That game's not like super
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an old PC game, but we
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together, a game in form and
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we can get it going then,
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is it is kind of what I
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get in there and check these games
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scenario where we were playing, like
a Sean set up a room, we

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went in there. We had no
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into bugs and connection issues trying to
do things like the matchmaking that doesn't really

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work well, I guess, But
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played a couple of these matches.
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a while. Yeah. I thought
the maps were really well done. I

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thought the heroes were like it was
always fun to kind of play as Darth

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Maul or jingle Fed or whatever,
and I'm I'm really glad that they do

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the thing where it's it's all of
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so it was the prequel trilogy,
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like, okay with games or like, we're just gonna be prequel trilogy.

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Sorry, yeah, pregel trilogy and
original original trilogy. I was okay with

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Games. They're like, we're just
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out right now. But I was
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no, it's everything, it does

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feel like the like the the er
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there, and I like that part
of it. That sounds like a good

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future revengetion topic is the Mount Rushmore
of Star Wars games? Yeah, yeah,

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I think Jeritely do something like that
on our own one time. But

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it would be fun to like get
more people and involved. But that although

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maybe we have to make sure we
get Jan playing Kodetur first. I'm sort

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of invested in that idea because yeah, I'm still trying to figure out where

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where we could squeeze that in into
the weekly schedule, I mean Monday's.

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Like things are going to start slowing
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schedule as we actually get in the
summer Dragons Dogma. So maybe maybe we

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could start figuring out more time in
the schedule for stuff like that, because

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there's a couple other things that you
know, I wanted to check out.

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I want to play Mother this year, or you know, Mother three of

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Mommy, so I want to play
Mommy, Okay, all right, uh

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yeah. I think my only qualms
with it is that like, oh wow,

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this this is this just looks like
the PS two game. Huh uh,

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and then playing it with mess and
keyboard. Maybe I should have switched

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to a controller to play this game
instead. But I think I suffered from

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the thing of what Dan was alluding
to at the beginning of like this being

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lauded as like the best Star Wars
game of this generation, and then with

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all the modern sensibilities that I've like
absorbed of, like oh, okay,

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this is this right, it is
what it is, I mean, and

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Mike's ray it's very familiar after playing
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turns out they were just trying to
recreate what people liked in those games.

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Uh, but through the winds of
dice in Battlefield. So yeah, it

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was more more familiar than I was
expecting it to be. It's funny we're

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talking about like, you know,
Battlefront being you know for a certain age,

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being like such a huge deal.
Do any of you like, I

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was just thinking, like, is
there a game that I hold an extremely

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high regard that when I look back
objectively, I probably like for me,

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I was thinking Twist the Metal two, just because you were at the exact

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right age, because I put Twist
the Metal two up there with my favorite

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games of all time. But if
I look back objectively, it's you know,

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it's it's very good for what it
is, but like to me,

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it's like an old timer, Like
did you have another one that was like

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I'm I'm stubborn, and uh,
it's it's very hard for me. That's

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a doctor bottom of PC so he
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I'm just saying like it's hard for
me to look at any of the games

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that I love as a kid and
being like I see why this is aged

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badly. I'm just like, no, this is still great. This makes

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me happy. I'm gonna look at
my top under game and see what I

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think it's like the most aged.
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Bouncer. But I recognize and realize
that that is not the best game.

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But no people have have criticized my
love for Final Fantasy Tactics Advance over War

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of the Lions. I'm with you
one hundred percent. Yes, yes see

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because I am also with you.
Yes, I actually enjoy the judge system.

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I know a lot of people hated
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cool. Let me throw better now, let me throw this out. And

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I can't believe this has never once
come up as an idea. I think

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in the like ten years ago I
started the Giant Bomb, not once has

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it come up. Should we at
some point endeavor to get everyone on a

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series of podcasts and determine the topundred
games of all time, like Giant Bombs

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top one hundred games of all time? Yes, it's definitely something I've always

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had in the back of my mind. Is like when we're doing live shows,

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when we're doing stuff like that,
if we want to do a yes,

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I think it's a series. I
don't think we like a live show,

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you've got it, Like I said
back of the head of like a

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possible idea. I always thought like, no, that'd be too troublesome,

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too bit like I think we could
do like a game of the generation for

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a live show, but if we're
doing our top one hundred, that a

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series. Yes. For the second
game in form of work done was issue

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two hundred and so like one of
the first ones that I was like in

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the meetings for was the two hundred
games, the top two hundred games of

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all time, and that is a
gaunt like we didn't record any of but

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obviously, but like it is such
a conversation if you get a bunch of

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different people with different opinions and riding
down a ranked top two hundred of all

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time. I think even just doing
like one hundred would be amazing with us,

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how are we? I would like, how would you go about determining

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it? Dan? Is it just
kind of like fervor and argumentative or that's

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what's toughest, because I think we
landed on the legend of Zelda was number

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one, and then like ten,
Triss and Mario brothers were two and three,

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and so that was very much like
importance type thing, because you have

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to set those parameters. You have
to set the like is it based on

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how good they are to play today? Is based on historical importance? Is

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it based on how good it was
at the time? So, like,

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I think we would have to set
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them, Like like, is it
the top hundred games to play right now?

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The top hundred most important games of
all time? Is it Giant Bomb's

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favorite hundred games of all time?
Like, we got to figure that out.

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There's so many different ways that it
can go, and like you know,

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it's always like like somebody like me, Like I'll mention a lot of

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older games. Imagine like somebody,
it'll be like, oh, that's really

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age and then it's like, well
it's to me. It's like, well,

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what do I do with that?
Because it has an age to me?

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So it's fine, So what am
I How do I argue that it

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hasn't aged compared to it has age? Right? Somebody that's subjective? Do

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you choose your favorite child when it
comes to like I would assume that tam

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would present several souls games, right, So do you just take the best

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six Mario games on there. Gonna
think most of them should be on there,

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multiple Souls games, but like there
will be a certain player like all

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right, not a six game.
I mean I would have probably at least

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fifteen games with Mario and the title
in like eight probably. Yeah. Yep,

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oh man, this sounds fun.
I already I am feeling tense thinking

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about it. I mean it's like
I think the idea for this would be,

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uh, like bomb cast Revengeance episodes
over the summer, like when things

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start starting as much going on.
Yeah, we do like an hour a

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week for like a month and see
where we're at. Yeah, and we

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whittle for however long the episode is, and then we leave it there we

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pick up next week. You know
what would be fun is if we had

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different casts for those different BCR episodes, so like a different group is kind

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of determining what they're going to bring
up. Yeah, but you guys are

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just gonna like take all of mine
off and like call it up. No

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no, no, and then ye
like maybe we all get to like uh

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with those different groups, we get
to like fifty. So then like we

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see where like the vent diagram is
where we miss mosh, Well, what

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if it what if every group does
bring in at least one hundred games and

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then we have to start cutting from
there and Eurovision style one hundred Eurovision with

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this guy so he never shuts up
about it. Everybody. I think there'll

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be a lot of games is like
one point a lot of ties, man.

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I think I would probably nominate an
obscene amount of GBA games that no

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one's heard of, except maybe like
Nicky and Sean GBA. I've heard of

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all your weird GBA games. GBA. My favorite well, okay, maybe

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not. My favorite console I think
is the GBA. Wow, we could

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we should do like the site's favorite
console as well? Yep, I feel

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like a GameCube actually thinking about Backlar's
too, Like it might be the GameCube?

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Yep? Did it for sist of
that only sold like twenty five million

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consoles or whatever it was? Bloy
is it? Belove it now? The

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other game I have listed here on
the rundown is Mario Golf. Hey you're

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playing? I thought you were playing. You're not excited? Yeah, it's

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me playing. Talked you about it
last night. I thought you can talk.

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It'll be so nice. My friends
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Friends over here, No, this
is yeah. I'm playing the the ns

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O game Boy Color release of Mario
Golf. I've been playing Persona three reload

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on my roger ally every night as
my kind of bed game, and I've

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been having a lot of fun that
I'm very deep into it, but it

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was like I could use a bit
of a break, and boy, I

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do want to play Mario Golf,
you know, because these are the games

405
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:42.519
that have the fun RPG style story
mode. But more important than that,

406
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:48.160
it's just perfect golf mechanics. It's
not too complicated, it has everything you

407
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:52.839
need. And what's hilarious is like, especially playing that story mode, and

408
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.200
like, even like being quite a
bit into it, there's no Mario.

409
00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.720
There's there's nothing about it that makes
it Mario. It's not like when you're

410
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.880
playing like one of the new ones
and there's mushrooms and like flooding blocks that

411
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:08.799
Lacketsuo's everywhere for a good while.
It's just kind of a very straightforward,

412
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:15.200
normal golf game, and I love
that about it. I don't know why

413
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.279
I have never like, I love
golf games. I love Tiger, I

414
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:21.960
love hotshots, everybody's golf all that
stuff. But like, despite my love

415
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.440
of Mario and even like Mario Sports
Games. That is the one series I've

416
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:29.440
never like really spent a lot of
time with, like Totsal Tour or any

417
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:30.559
of the RPG ones. Like I've
never really gone into them. And I

418
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.359
love I love Mario. Okay,
I just I don't think I've given the

419
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:37.200
time to any of them. And
I don't know why. Uh. I

420
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.000
mean, this one's on NSL.
It's worth checking out right now. I

421
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:45.160
could. You would enjoy it.
Yeah, the game one color color and

422
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.519
then the three DS one is probably
the other like really good one. But

423
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.799
that's when it had online functional and
you can do these awesome tournaments and stuff.

424
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:53.200
Man, that was so good.
Huh. That's great, even though

425
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:56.920
it's like, yeah, I say, like RPG story mode, it's not

426
00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:02.079
like bow Down in that much or
dialogue. It's just like you have a

427
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:04.160
character, you walk around like a
clubhouse and you have to like walk to

428
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.640
the course to start the match,
and you you know, when you do

429
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.880
well, you get to like level
up your drive. Yeah, you get

430
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:14.079
experience points to make your golfer a
better golfer. And that I mean a

431
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:15.279
lot of that stuff is in like
modern golf games now, but this is

432
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.400
just like makes it feel like a
fun little adventure, and it's all about

433
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.400
the golfing. It's not about a
bunch of like nonsense that distracts from the

434
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.279
golfing. It's like, no,
this is still very much a golf game.

435
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:29.960
They nailed it right away with that, so thats for fun. We're

436
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.480
super upset with that last Mario Golf
time. Among other reasons, that's the

437
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.039
main reason is that they're they always
these days talk about, hey, there's

438
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.799
a new Mario Sports game, and
this one's going to have a single player

439
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.319
game you're going to care about.
It's going back to the thing that you

440
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:45.720
used to used to like. And
we play it and it's like, no,

441
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.720
this is also pretty terrible. It
doesn't get at the RPG stuff at

442
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:53.799
all. And then it's actually just
these bizarre, annoying, weird mini games

443
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:56.880
like linked together one after the other. Right, And then I got some

444
00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:00.640
incoming opinions here real quick from Alex
Yellow is apparently watching, and he says,

445
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:04.599
play Mario Golf on the analog.
It's amazing and a perfect for it.

446
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.880
Don't do it on switch. It's
perfect on analog, says Alex bone

447
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.039
Yellow. That's that's fair too.
Yeah, sure, I'm just lazy.

448
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:15.839
I'm gonna play it on my switch. It's great. I was playing on

449
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.039
the pocket anyway. I just play
and the game Boy Advance Mario Golf is

450
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.480
also the same, people, It's
Camelot. It's an RBG also also very

451
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:23.720
good. Yes, it has good
Would you say, like, if I

452
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.799
like the look of game Boy Advance
games better, should I just go to

453
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:29.880
the If you're more game Boy Advance
brained, I just go straight to the

454
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:34.799
game Boy Advance one then okay vance
stor it's called right, Yeah, I

455
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:37.720
think I would check out the game
Boy Color one still first, and then

456
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.720
if you're like, oh, I
would enjoy this better if I was on

457
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:44.200
game Boy Advance, then then go
at that point, I just have such

458
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.000
I hold such a torch for those
game Boy Color games, you know.

459
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:51.480
I I acquire that analog pocket off
of Alex Bone Yellow, and I haven't

460
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:56.319
really fired it up. Like,
folks, send some recommendation away for some

461
00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.839
Mario GBA games. Warware, okay, Warrior Way three on there, get

462
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.440
the Astro Get the Astro Boy game. Yeah, that's a great game.

463
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:11.279
That's a hot title. You're already
good on Tactics advance. Yeah, you

464
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:21.000
got castle Vania's are incredible. I
was. I was pleasantly surprised when I

465
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:25.240
checked that stuntman on your pocket.
The street is amazing. I'm looking at

466
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:29.519
me. Driving are kind of crazy
on there. Yeah, it's pretty good.

467
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.240
There was a popular fire pro that
came out at launch. M hm,

468
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.480
the fire Pro. Well, that
actually takes us. You boys want

469
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:47.519
to take quick breaking break? Sure? Yep? All right? Pretty goodbye

470
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:51.720
forever, and then we'll be back
with the hot topic of this week,

471
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:56.160
which is wrestling games. Dan,
do we have any bird updates? Oh

472
00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:00.240
my god, I just went inside
and I stopped the app. I'm so

473
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.200
sorry. I am off my game. Wow, let's see who do think

474
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.319
it's gonna pop up? First,
I'm gonna start recording. I bet Harry

475
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:14.680
Woodpecker. Okay, I'm doing We
don't actually don't have to be quiet.

476
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.279
It can't hear us. I would
appreciate it. It's a red wing blackbird.

477
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.200
I think I said red ye.
It's the okay, folks. This

478
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.319
week's hot topic is the Wrestling Game
Hall of Fame, Mount Rushmore, whatever

479
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.039
you want to call it. But
before we get to that, before we

480
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:34.039
get to that I have some urgent
news, some semi breaking news. I

481
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:38.359
don't know if you'll saw this,
but Twitch is going to get rid of

482
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:42.000
the watch along feature. Oh I'm
very aware. Yes, Oh they are.

483
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:47.559
I mean I knew. I knew
it was doomed. That's the thing

484
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:49.279
is, like I used it all
the fucking time and it was so much

485
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.240
fun. I love it. And
then I would look around, I'd be

486
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:53.200
like, no one's talking about this, no one's doing it, and I've

487
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:56.440
been waiting for this to happen.
I knew it was gonna happen. But

488
00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:05.640
it's April second. I'm gonna do
water World to water World get a pop

489
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:12.240
because well, because I associate with
the theme park stage show of course.

490
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:14.680
Yeah. Well I'm gonna try to
get a few in before it goes away

491
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.000
because it really is one of my
favorite things. And uh on Twitch and

492
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.519
it sucks. I wish more people
use it. It's it seems like a

493
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:22.359
no brainer too. Amazon owns all
these movies. They're trying to push Prime,

494
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:24.920
They're trying to incorporate the switch,
Like made a lot of sense.

495
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:29.440
There's ways to like fudget and I
might I might try to do that in

496
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:30.680
the future. And because there's like
ways of where you can like sink things

497
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:35.480
at using chrome extensions and stuff.
I don't know. I think a lot

498
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.160
about that guy in the water World. He's just like some really salty,

499
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:42.319
crusted old guy on the bad guy
ship who like works in the boiler or

500
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.519
something. And then like at the
end of the movie, like a bomb

501
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:49.119
drops into his room and he looks
at it and he just goes, oh,

502
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:55.839
thank God before it kills him,
and every he's so relieved that his

503
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:04.160
pathetic likes about that. I think
about him constantly, but I bring it

504
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:10.839
up because maybe we should do a
net one more time, one last time.

505
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:16.119
Yeah, the last song title the
last, but we would have to

506
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:22.200
drag someone in that hasn't seen it. Of course we can find or now

507
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.359
Blar has seen it. No no, no, nol seen it, but

508
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:28.960
I want to hear him be grumpy
about it as we watch it. That's

509
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:30.519
right, he can be on but
we also need to have people that have

510
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:36.640
not seen it. We can find
some people has Ben's Oh, I don't

511
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:37.880
know, if Hanson has seen it. I should have. We should do

512
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.279
it during the day. I'll have
Hanson come over and have him watched with

513
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.960
us in person with me. That'd
be great. That'd be fantastic that my

514
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:51.240
next last stand on giant bomb dot
com. Everybody, he'sn't as many people

515
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:52.920
as we can as well. Yeah, god, you'll look at an event

516
00:33:53.319 --> 00:34:00.319
maybe the last time anybody ever watches
a net watch. Lungs have not worked

517
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:01.680
on my phone for months. That's
how I knew this was gonna happen.

518
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:06.480
Every time I h every time I
try to look apps phone, Yes,

519
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:07.960
it would break the app on my
phone. And it was like, I'm

520
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.159
like, oh, okay, well
we'll fix this. And then I tried

521
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.239
it again like two weeks or later, and it didn't work. And now

522
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:15.760
it's been months later, I'm like, yeah, they're they're not supporting this

523
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:19.599
anymore. That's a that's a shame. Let's just get okay, none of

524
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.079
us are on it. We just
get backl Our's dad. Yeah so yeah,

525
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.760
sweet Lou totally. Yeah. Yeah, we just give him a microphone,

526
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:30.079
set them a twenty year old butt
light. Fantastic, fantas just gonna

527
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:34.679
be happy. It just sounds like
a night for him, folks. I

528
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.920
have a document in front of me
ready to add titles to the wrestling game

529
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:43.039
Hall of Fame, and earlier today
on Game This Morning's Tam fervently brought up

530
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.199
two titles that he thinks should be
added. Now. I was going to

531
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.400
back them up, but then Dan
immediately chimed in and said they don't count.

532
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:52.559
Those two games were deaf Jam Vendetta
and then Deaf Jam Fight for New

533
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:57.480
York. Listen, these are both
great games. I will not for smirch

534
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.920
the good name of the deaf Jam
games. They're hilarious, they are fun,

535
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:04.760
they're on that Aki engine. It
is a glimpse into what could have

536
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:08.400
been if if Aki kept making actual
wrestling games. But they're not wrestling games,

537
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:12.119
so you could maybe make more of
an argument for Bendetta. There's a

538
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:14.920
ring Fight for New York. You're
just fighting and like you know, they're

539
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:19.960
all backstage of soult type things.
Uh I wrestling game, I think it

540
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.519
needs to be. I think it
needs to be a licensed to shoot wrestling

541
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:28.440
game. Hmm, what I mean
that could be what we're doing here.

542
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:30.880
I mean, I'm okay if we're
deciding that's what we're doing here. But

543
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.639
if it's like a game like with
wrestling in it, I think def Jam

544
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.320
probably does because it might be a
line because like, like there's that game

545
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.880
on the GameCube based on that Pure
wrestling show that Jeff likes. What is

546
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.599
that? Yeah, Muscle, yeah, Muscle, Yes, I mean is

547
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:46.840
a wrestling game. So I guess
we got to side right now? Is

548
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:50.960
it Does it have to be licensed
w W, f ww E, CW

549
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.960
or can it be anything with ring
That wouldn't I mean, Fire Pro Wrestling

550
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:59.119
wouldn't fall under that, So I
don't think it's true. And Fire Pro

551
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:04.320
is pro straight up for wrestling on
Saturday Masters, Like, yeah, yeah,

552
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.039
maybe not that strict. How about
this? How about this that the

553
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.079
action has to primarily take place in
a ring? Yeah, I'm okay with

554
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:15.079
that. Simpsons Wrestling counts all right, Okay, it counts and def jam

555
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.239
vendettas at least? Yeah, okay, is in New York? Fair enough?

556
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.840
Fair enough? Yeah? Okay,
okay, okay. So whenever we're

557
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:27.039
doing Mount Rushmore Act, I try
to figure out, like, who's the

558
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:30.480
Washington Uh, how do you feel
about pro pro wrestling for the ne s?

559
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:37.400
Yeah, it's fine, it's fine, right, yeah. Yeah.

560
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.199
A lot of these, like a
lot of these six or eight bit and

561
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:44.800
sixteen bit wrestling games like some of
them would be surprisely good or decent for

562
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:47.920
the time, and then a lot
of them were just completely wacky or wonky

563
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.199
and really like always a disappointment.
I mean the ones I started with were

564
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:57.039
raw and raw rumble on the Genesis
and Super and like there's gonna be nowhere

565
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.360
near the Mount rushmore like they sucked
right now. Yeah, there's like there's

566
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.000
one on the Super Tity like what
royal rumble? It's not bad. And

567
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:06.639
then you have you know, the
Midway made arcade game, which is wrestlem

568
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:07.679
aning of the arcade game. Is
that's what you're talking about? Well,

569
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.599
yes, and then that and in
your house. They were both arcade and

570
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:16.840
PlayStation one early PlayStation one, and
there were sixteen versions. Yeah, I

571
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:22.159
don't make it all right. So
then the George Washington is WWF no Mercy.

572
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.000
I think it's no mercy. Yeah, so okay, and I guess

573
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:27.880
my question is, is no mercy
sort of just represent all of those N

574
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.599
sixty four hockey games we well,
I mean they're also like this, there's

575
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:37.079
only four spots here about that no
mercy. Okay, then let's say one

576
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.199
w F one, so it'll be
no mercy instead. Of wrestlmating A two

577
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:43.239
thousand. But I think World Tour
in Revenge could be a different thing,

578
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.440
even though they play the same.
Yes, and I trust me like they

579
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:52.039
like to me. Yeahs ISNW Revenge
and No Mercy. They are like big

580
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.519
pinnacles. But again, there's four
spots here, and there's like half of

581
00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:00.480
them gone in these very similar games
might get boiled down to just one of

582
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:04.840
them being on there, and it
might just be an over right. I

583
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.920
think there are other ones that have
to be kind of bolded pretty early on

584
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:12.440
here I think on Here Comes the
Pain, I think Here Comes the Pain

585
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.599
has a legitimate chance of being on
the Mount Rush Moore, Yes, I

586
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.920
think so too, But may I
pause it that I think the SmackDown series,

587
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.079
actually it went on for a while
longer, and I think it really

588
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:30.280
peaked with SmackDown versus Raw two thousand
and six. The last this was right

589
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.639
when I this is when kind of
all the best features were there before it

590
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:37.880
sort of God became bloated when it
went to the three sixty era and they

591
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.119
started just kind of throwing crap in
here. This is also just like such

592
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:44.360
a peak time you have Sena and
Batisa on the cover. It was really

593
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:50.000
when it was rebounding pretty big into
that ruthless aggression era. There's a personal

594
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:53.400
bias here. This was the wrestling
game that got me back into wrestling.

595
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:58.679
My buddy just brought this over and
it had amazing creative features. I think

596
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:02.159
it was the first one with like
a really robust create an entrance. But

597
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:07.360
this is my no mercy in a
lot of ways. I mean, but

598
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.239
there definitely be a SmackDown representation.
I think Here Comes the Pain had create

599
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.159
an entrance, I think, but
it definitely had I think a create a

600
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:19.119
move thing. See that's the thing. I once you start all the years

601
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.280
where I wasn't really watching wrestling,
which is basically like two until nine,

602
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.239
it all kind of blends together.
And I know I was reviewing these games

603
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:28.480
during the time, but I forget
which ones. Like one of them would

604
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:30.480
do a creative finisher and you could
make it like ten fast motion kicks to

605
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:34.079
the balls and then a stunner or
whatever, and some had like a crazy

606
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:36.320
creative entrance. But it all kind
of like, I don't know what your

607
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.559
SBR it is. It's hard to
kind of narrow that down. I just

608
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:43.440
know Here Comes the pain despite me
not watching at the time, like that

609
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:46.159
game was incredible. I mean I
think, yeah, here comes the Space

610
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:50.679
one. I remember pretty well.
You're right, it's a bunch of mutch

611
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:52.480
for SmackDown versus Raw. I would
have said, I think two thousand and

612
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:57.039
seven because that's when they had analog
controls for the first time, and I

613
00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.360
remember that like checking that out and
being like, oh, they actually this

614
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.440
works a litle bit better. But
if you guess, I don't think I

615
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:05.440
played two thousand and six, the
ANA controls went a little far from me,

616
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.000
like they put it in everything and
clean a worst submission system, like

617
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.280
sure at six, I think it
was the last one, just like,

618
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:15.039
yeah, mash buttons for submissions,
and then for ever after that they were

619
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:16.719
trying to figure something else out and
then they're like, this went back,

620
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:21.559
I just mash buttons. Actually that
yeah, I kind of like how to

621
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:23.000
do it now where it's like you
are mashing buttons, but it'll do the

622
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:27.880
like switching the like X circle triangle
and it'll kind of tug of war back

623
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.199
and forth, Like I like the
way to do it they do it now.

624
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:31.719
I would say it go ahead,
Damn no, I was gonna say

625
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:36.840
real quick, I think in the
last at least ten years, I think

626
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:40.360
the only one worth considering is maybe
the most recent one, and even I

627
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:43.880
don't think that makes it. I
don't think two K twenty four makes it

628
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.199
on the mount rushmore. But I
think we can almost discount the last ten

629
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:52.280
years. Yeah, yeah, I
don't remember anything, any notable thing other

630
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:59.000
than I mean, standing there for
like minutes thirty years of WrestleMania in WW

631
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:02.320
two K fourteen, But I think
that's sort of deflated by them them doing

632
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.480
forty years of WrestleMania in this new
one. And I just don't think that

633
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:08.639
fondly of two K fourteen for that
reason. And I do think two K

634
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:13.559
twenty four does that all better than
two K fourteen, but I also exactly

635
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.320
it has gotten better, but I
still don't think, yeah, anything like

636
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:20.320
I'm trying to think like twelve.
They made a big deal out of revamping

637
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:22.119
the engine and everything with twelve,
and I think that's when I really started

638
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:25.480
hating the wrestling games, is because
like it just felt too like they're trying

639
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:29.639
to be too semi It's just everyone's
going through molasses all the time. A

640
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.920
lot of watching moves play out wacky
collision stuff. So I think I'm trying

641
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:36.960
to think the last time I really
was I think the PS two era might

642
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:38.280
have been the last time it was
just like, yeah, these games kick

643
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:44.039
ass. So I was gonna ask
if this counts still is in a ring

644
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:49.000
and it is licensed, WW all
Stars, it counts, I don't think.

645
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.920
I mean, it's here's the thing. I reviewed that and I was

646
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:55.039
very excited about that game because it
was like I was watching at the time,

647
00:41:55.159 --> 00:42:00.440
I wanted an arcade alternative to the
more sim focused thing. It seemed

648
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:04.559
like they were absolutely going that route. But they're just there's not the content

649
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.440
there. There is not like the
actual like action and everything is pretty good,

650
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:09.599
but there's like the story mode things
or whatever are just like a couple

651
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:14.480
of stupid ladders. There's just the
content's not there to play beyond. Like

652
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:16.360
I reviewed it and I was just
done with it, you know. I

653
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:19.480
think you have to have more of
a like you know, even back with

654
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.440
no Mercy and stuff like that,
like a real career mode and creation modes

655
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:24.159
and stuff like that. And All
Stars was paper thin. It was like

656
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:30.119
basically two K Battlegrounds level almost of
Thinness. That's telling yeah, it definitely.

657
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:32.320
I like All Stars a lot.
It was a ton of fun.

658
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:36.239
I am kind of surprised as the
point, and we never got an All

659
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:40.840
Stars too that did sort of yeah
bump up, yeah yeah. How do

660
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:45.599
you feel Dan about the GameCube games
sort of culminating in a Day of Reckoning

661
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:51.239
two here? So that's the key
bler one these on hand, Mike,

662
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:57.559
I was prepared. I have been
meaning recently to go back to that because

663
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.599
you know, I love the Deadlock
boys and they speak so they they are

664
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:02.639
the ones that like they could tell
you, oh sbr this did this and

665
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:06.320
this did this, and like the
rosters for that, this is what they

666
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.320
do. They're like wrestling game YouTubers. And the way they talk about Day

667
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:12.599
of Reckoning on the podcast is like
they hold it up there with with the

668
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.199
greats. So like, I feel
like I have not put enough time in

669
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:17.519
a Day of Reckoning. And that
was an interesting time where PlayStation had SmackDown,

670
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:22.599
GameCube had Day of Reckoning, and
Raw was on Xbox. I owned

671
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.719
Raw, and I remember the thing
I liked about that was that you could

672
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:29.960
like just hold a trigger and run
and like free run and whatever direction and

673
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:31.760
like in the past it was like
eight way, you know, like the

674
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:35.840
Achi engine, just like run forward, down, up, diagonally or whatever.

675
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.719
And being able to run just freely
was cool. But that's to say

676
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:43.480
that day of reckoning I need to
play more of I could see it being

677
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.440
a shot at the Mountain Rushmore,
but I don't know how much we have

678
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:51.559
played it. So uh jan uh. One of my big blind spots when

679
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:57.039
it comes to wrestling games is the
entirety of the Fire Pro series M and

680
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:00.840
I feel like the audience is clamoring
for some fire Pro talk and I can't

681
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:05.840
rightfully. I mean, the one
I remember I went back and looked at

682
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:09.119
this several years ago it was fire
Pro Wrestling Returns because I got curious about

683
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:13.880
the series and was this is the
one that always came up as, Oh,

684
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:15.519
this is the big one. And
when I went back to it,

685
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.599
I mostly I watched a lot of
YouTube videos and then I played some of

686
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.559
it. The thing that stands out
is they have the two D visuals,

687
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:27.199
and something about the way that things
animate and the way the wrestling works is

688
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.079
like really it just snaps into place
in a way that I really enjoyed.

689
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.320
And then it has the super super
robust, create a wrestler features, creative

690
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:39.159
match features where you can just do
anything, and they had that sense.

691
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:43.679
The game was you know, on
PS two in North America for the first

692
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:47.960
time with Fire Pro Wrestling Returns.
It is I think the wrestling game you

693
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:53.239
think of outside of the WWE and
WCW games first is Fire Pro Wrestling,

694
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:58.079
and I think this is the right
Fire Pro Wrestling. I think that's right.

695
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:00.320
I mean, I remember playing this
one the PS two in Returns when

696
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.920
it came out, and what I
loved was that it is so different from

697
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.440
all the WD beams that were used
to It is so much grapple focus,

698
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:13.760
right, and you know, because
it is sprite, the creative character stuff

699
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:15.559
can sort of just do more.
Right. It's way easier to swap in

700
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:20.320
and out different face sprites than three
D models, so you can just put

701
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:22.800
everybody in there. It already comes
with a giant roster, right, and

702
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.000
sometimes it's just straight up you know
Japanese wrestlers, or they're kind of being

703
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.760
cheeky like, oh that's okay,
that's obviously supposed to be Halkogan or things

704
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:35.960
like that. It's an important pillar
we're still making these. I think that

705
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.719
there should be fire Pro representation.
I have played a fire program. Yeah

706
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:43.360
we should. We should fire that
up, Yeah we should. We should

707
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:45.280
have a wrestling stream. And there's
a curve. There's a difficulty curve.

708
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:49.199
Right. I probably got hands on
it, like when I was working at

709
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.480
funk Land and then GBA one came
out, But I think something about it

710
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:54.320
not being licensed and not having a
roster I knew, and then also the

711
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:58.320
isometric perspective. I think I was
like, Okay, people seem to like

712
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:00.320
this a lot, but like I
just I never really play. Yeah,

713
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:05.119
that's the same exact case for me. Dan. I just did not enjoy

714
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:08.079
the look of it, but I
understand that it's all a very important place

715
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:13.199
in history. Alex Navara really likes
the Fire pros right, yes, yes,

716
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:20.519
definitely any other nominations. Ultimate Muscle, Yes, so, I mean,

717
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:24.360
listen, I love Ultimate Muscle,
especially the one for GameCube Ultimate Ultimate

718
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:30.159
Muscle Legends versus New Generation. It
is an acky wrestling game. It's fantastic,

719
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:36.159
The action is great, the characters
are a really good time. There's

720
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.960
like light creative wrestler features. Mostly
you're just taking parts and piecing them together,

721
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:43.480
like the head, the body,
of the legs, so that's not

722
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.599
super robust. But I think that
it's just a really fun party game on

723
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:52.039
the GameCube with cool wrestling anime characters. And then you go look at that

724
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.199
show, and that show is actually
pretty good too. But I don't think

725
00:46:54.480 --> 00:47:01.480
it is a necessarily Mount rushmore worthy
because I don't think it's necessarily influential or

726
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.599
the kind of thing that people think
of when they think of wrestling games.

727
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:07.280
First, it's just oh, that's
a good deep cut, a good hidden

728
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:12.639
gym in the wrestling game genre.
Let me float a question here. I'm

729
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.599
curious what you think about it because
we talked about the Achi games and just

730
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:20.159
having won, but so much of
a wrestling game is playing as the wrestlers

731
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:22.480
you like and hearing their music and
you've got the sets and everything. And

732
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:27.159
No Mercy very much had that.
Like two thousand and one WWF, you

733
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:30.079
know, like Crazy Roster, you
know, played the best out of all

734
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:35.039
the Achy games. But Revenge,
when that came out, that was like

735
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:37.960
the height of like WCW and like
it was just before it all kind of

736
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:42.159
jumped the shark, you know,
it was in all the different factions and

737
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.960
everything broken down. Here's the wolf
Pack here was like really cool versions of

738
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.159
all these characters, you know,
and all these there. You could be

739
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:51.440
wolf Packsting, you could be Surfacing, you could be crow Sting had Ravens

740
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:55.199
Flock, had all these different factions
height of WCW type stuff. I put

741
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:59.760
Revenge right up there with No Mercy. Yeah, as I'm kind of looking

742
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:01.159
at it, I think there may
be is just a world where we do

743
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:07.239
have both No Mercy and Revenge that
they are just both so important and they

744
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:09.400
are kind of like two different sides
of the same coin. Of course they're

745
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:14.960
very similar, but even that sort
of reflects what was so fun about wrestling

746
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:16.280
at that time that it was,
you know, the Monday Night Wars.

747
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:22.079
We did have these two companies that
were obviously very similar but very different.

748
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.000
I definitely could see how it's just
aligned both of them in there. Especially,

749
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:27.880
you know, I'm running, I'm
trying to think, like what else

750
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.920
would even be up for consideration this
point. Saturday Night slam Masters is fun,

751
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:36.519
but you know, I don't know
if I'm going to put it up

752
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:38.719
there. It's like an all times
of wrestling game. So the conundrum I'm

753
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:44.800
in is I desperately want to nominate
def Jam Vendetta because I think it does

754
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:49.159
a lot of interesting things in terms
of controlling and I feel like it has

755
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:53.559
legitimately held up in terms of how
it plays and how it's presented. It

756
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:58.360
also does a lot of stuff differently
when it comes to the world of wrestling,

757
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:02.119
because it presents like how wrestling would
be viewed in like a hip hop

758
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:07.480
street urban atmosphere. And I think
it's really sick that you could suplex ludicrous

759
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:14.800
to the ground in it. But
the problem is, I think Fight for

760
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:19.159
New York is such a superior game
that, in my head, Vendetta is

761
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:24.760
just lacking in yeah, right,
you know all the terms where I feel

762
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:29.760
like a wrestling game should be measured, and Fight for New York we disqualified

763
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:34.679
it under these specific set of rules, but we maybe could be a little

764
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:36.679
bit less strict with that. I
do think that if we did get that

765
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:38.599
gym in there, because against it's
Aki, It's like, okay, well,

766
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:45.320
at that point we can't have we
can't have no mercy and revenge a

767
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:50.039
too Achi limit. Well, but
then like if we were to include it

768
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.320
Fight for New York, I think
is that is Fight for New York Another

769
00:49:52.360 --> 00:50:00.199
achy Joint. You know, Vendetta
is the third one. Weird, Yeah

770
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:04.880
you icon? We don't think of
an icon. Icon was the first time

771
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:08.239
I have ever gotten legitimately very upset
with a game and asked my mom to

772
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.960
turn around and can we go back
to game spot so I can turn a

773
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.639
game. Yeah, you had like
time it with like the speakers and the

774
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:20.360
beats and stuff. Yet what about
what about w WE Crush Shower? It's

775
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.920
kind of disqualified. You say how
much you like twist and Metal. Look

776
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:27.320
you can get rented for seven days. Apparently this stinger says, I am

777
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:30.599
so happy that game exists. It
is a hilarious curiosity Jim Ross yelling about

778
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:36.639
Undertaker getting the twisty rockets and all
that. I didn't play it much when

779
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:38.079
it came out, and I've gone
back to it, and it's just kind

780
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:42.559
of a funny novelty I think.
I don't think it's a great car combat

781
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.280
game, but it's it's so stupid
seeing like, okay, what kind of

782
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.880
car would Binoah drive? What kind
of car would this guy drive? And

783
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.400
like it's like, oh, okay, I guess yeah. I love the

784
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:54.559
lare of it. Where Vis McMahon
had bought like every TV station, so

785
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:59.159
he's just desperate for content, so
he just Kane has a cooking channel.

786
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.119
Yeah, of course, and that
would come true later with the w W

787
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.760
network where all those shows were actually
happening. Yeah, I U. I

788
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:12.840
think this list is probably gonna end
up looking pretty close to WWF No Mercy,

789
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:17.280
w C wh what was the one
you said? Revenge and revenge and

790
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:21.159
yes, here comes to the pain, and then here comes the pain,

791
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:24.480
and then I think probably flare Our
Pro Wrestling returns. So I take it

792
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:28.360
my SmackDown versus Raw two thousand and
six. Over Here comes the Pain.

793
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.360
Speech didn't move anybody, which did
it? Did? It's just like it's

794
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:35.039
what are we knocked Down? It's
about Rushmore and it is definitely the more

795
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.840
iconic of the Spato gase. It's
important for a SmackDown game to be on

796
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:43.400
there. Yeah, that's really my
point. I guess right. Yeah,

797
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:45.320
it's gonna stand out there. And
we know for sure that like a bunch

798
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:49.000
of us played the like, whereas
I don't specifically remember that. I don't.

799
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:51.320
I don't doubt anything you say,
Mike, I just don't ran playing

800
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.360
it. I do remember playing the
soundtrack, by the way, all Timer

801
00:51:54.239 --> 00:52:00.400
six. What about those m Dickey
games hilarious? I called you Dicky.

802
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:05.039
They're they're very very funny, but
yeah, funny novelties, I would say,

803
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.719
right, it's like more of an
homage to like the no Mercy era

804
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:13.400
of games, right, yeah,
yeah, the Dreamcast row Rumble sucked.

805
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.119
You know, it's funny that we
haven't even mentioned the acclaim like war Zone

806
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:19.880
and the attitude stuff, Like I
liked him. Like the first time I

807
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.400
ever remember doing a character creator in
a video game was the N sixty four

808
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:27.360
AF war Zone, And it's just
these games are so fun because like I

809
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:29.920
took a couple of years off watching
like in the mid nineties, and then

810
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:31.679
I picked up war Zone and like
I didn't know who Austin was at the

811
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:35.960
time, and then like seeing like, wait, why is you know Sean

812
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:37.880
Michael was saying suck it and wearing
green. That's not the Sean Michaels.

813
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.719
I know. I know they'll be
like like picking up on like where wrestling

814
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:45.280
is at based on wrestling games I
think is really fun. I think Warzone

815
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:47.280
just never did much for me because
I went to it after I had played

816
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:51.880
like WrestleMania two thousand, the hockey
games, and like that point, it

817
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:53.559
just it seems a little rough.
They're not they're not good. I don't

818
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:55.920
think they make it on here,
but like they were very popular at the

819
00:52:55.960 --> 00:53:00.440
time. What about what about some
of the weird other company one You've got

820
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:05.440
the e c W game that was
on Dreamcast, another Place game, Oh

821
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:09.000
yeah, wrestler, don't try this
at home. T NA had that Xbox

822
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:14.360
three sixty game, and I kind
of want to play that h aw Fight

823
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:19.480
Forever which virtual wrestling for sixty four
or I'm going to make it here Mike's

824
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:28.480
best friend Jeff Jarrett's game wrestle Quest. Oh yeahs favorite, it's not terrible,

825
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:32.039
sins Marine. I want to play
Impact sometime. I suggest everyone actually

826
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:37.199
give TNA Slash Impact the chance.
Lately. The boys and girls over there

827
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:40.719
been tearing it up. Are they
still in an octagon? No? Six

828
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:45.039
sided? They wished that game?
Well, they changed their name back to

829
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:49.960
TNA, so you know, maybe
I wanted to sell people do because apparently

830
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.599
it was like it made for a
stiffer ring or something. I don't know.

831
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:54.960
There's such a weird thing with that
Impact game because isn't the thing like

832
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.199
the I don't know if it's the
career mode or whatever, but you play

833
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.599
as a character named Suicide that's like
a mass wrestler, and it was not

834
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:05.079
based on a real guy. But
then I don't know if it was a

835
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:07.760
marketing thing in conjunction, but they
made was it like Chris Daniels are low

836
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:10.880
key? It was Daniels, but
as a few people, but it was

837
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:14.400
Daniels for sure, for sure at
one point. Yeah, so like he

838
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:16.920
became it was a work for the
game and became a shoot on TNA.

839
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:25.559
Amazing it really all right? Kauzarian
was first, what about rumble roses?

840
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:30.800
Okay, I just wanted to put
it up there. It's not a pervert

841
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:37.960
verse. It doesn't take place in
a ring, primarily a game. Yeah

842
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:44.039
too soon, man, just like
God, just give it enough legs like

843
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:47.760
a man. One of the best
elbow drops in a game ever. Uh.

844
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.519
Okay, So if we do have
no mercy, uh uh, let's

845
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:57.239
see SmackDown, here comes the pain
Fire Pro Wrestling Returns and w g WNW

846
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.400
Revenge. What's the one? You
guys are kind of like, that's not

847
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:02.400
going to make it because I am
like I would like to see Ultimate Muscle

848
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:05.519
on there, but there's just no
way I'm going to remove any of those

849
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.159
for alternate Muscle for me, Yeah, for me, it's a Fight for

850
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:12.119
New York. Yeah, listen,
a Fight for New York was eligible,

851
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.840
Jane, I'd be one hundred percent
with you. That's one of my favorite

852
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.519
games on the GameCube, a system
I love. Yeah. And was it

853
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:22.559
Vendetta or Fight for New York that
was responsible for COVID? Sorry I can't

854
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:25.480
remember, but they had Fight for
New York had the T Mobile sidekick in

855
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:30.000
it, so it's one of the
coolest games of all time. Explain this

856
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:34.199
joke about the COVID. Okay,
So Alex and Vinnie were going to go

857
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:38.320
play Fight for New York in person
and this was like the week that everyone

858
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:40.480
was like, Oh, maybe you
should go home, Maybe you should stay

859
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:44.719
home. And that was the last
in person stream from the website for a

860
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:49.719
good two and a half years.
Oh wow, Jesus. So yeah,

861
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:53.280
gint Bomb East, we should do
a mount rushmore games with the sidekick in

862
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.760
it. I'm on a giant Bomb
dot com and it turns out was in

863
00:55:55.840 --> 00:56:00.199
Tony Hawk Ride Midnight Club, Los
Angeles, skate. It was in the

864
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:04.719
first skate Yeah, it was Deft
Jam for New York. So actually there's

865
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:07.719
your there's your Mountains Mountain right there. Yeah, I mean, given given

866
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:12.679
the strict rules that we've put on, I would also like to see Ultimate

867
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.199
Muscle because it's just a batshit game. Yeah, I just can't. I

868
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:21.840
can't abide the character designs. He
doesn't me out Asian character in there called

869
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:24.480
ramen Man. So maybe we shouldn't
have it on the list. Now allow

870
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:29.400
it? Hey, hey, next
Jen, I do see I see Nikki

871
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:31.400
saying can we please play Tony Hawk
Ride next week? We have to play

872
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:35.360
it. I do have the skateboard
and the game and a three sixty.

873
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:37.480
That's interesting to know, Dan,
Okay, it's good to know that.

874
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:44.960
Yeah, that it's real bad.
I want if he's gonna play most control

875
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:49.719
game. I'm desperate for him to
play the the mech game for CONNECTI Battalions

876
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:53.079
Bill Battalion from from Software. Let
me play the one with the cool controller.

877
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:59.039
I don't want to be the controller. The controller controller's rule. What

878
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:04.039
do you probably try to get rid
of talking about? Yeah, I'm a

879
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:05.920
little yeah, of course, I'm
aloth the side we don't get O six

880
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:07.440
in there. But that's just such
a personal thing. Uh, you know,

881
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:12.039
the geekub games are very cool.
I kind of agree there's no room

882
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:15.280
for them, and there's not really
like a succession line with these like there

883
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:17.199
is was the SmackDown, so it's
more important to get that in there.

884
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:21.199
But even all those, like I
even played what I the first one was

885
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:24.920
WrestleMania eighteen, and then there's WrestleMania
in nineteen, the Day of Reckoning one,

886
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:29.840
which I don't have yet. Twenty
one was terrible? Did twenty one

887
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:34.000
on Xbox? That's like notoriously bad? Was that the famous bad one?

888
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:36.679
Was? Was it twenty that was
the famous bad one? I don't know

889
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:37.880
if they made a twenty I think
twenty one was. I think twenty one

890
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.199
doesn't exist because they took a year
off. No I thought I reviewed at

891
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:45.800
the twenty one. I thought they
didn't make twenty Let me see here now,

892
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:52.760
Oh, they they made remember twenty
one podcast, there's no twenty one.

893
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:58.840
Marino was saying twenty one had broken
online. There's no two K twenty

894
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:02.360
one not too Oh sorry, wait, we're mixing things up here. I

895
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:08.119
thought you were saying wrestle Mania now
two ky one. Okay, now I

896
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.639
get what you're saying to skip that
year. Yeah, two K twenty one

897
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:15.239
doesn't exist. Two K twenty was
the like super terrible one wres Yeah,

898
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:19.559
I'm talking about Original Xbox had a
WrestleMania twenty one that was fucking terrible.

899
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.519
Oh I didn't even know that.
I thought that. I thought original Xboxes

900
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:25.239
had Raw and Raw too. Uh
No, there's a I want to say,

901
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:28.639
it's wrestle of twenty one on Xbox. I think I think it was

902
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:30.840
the first wrestling game I reviewed,
and it was fucking awful. I remember.

903
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:34.840
Okay, well there you go.
Man. You know what's another fun

904
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:37.440
fact about Day of Reckoning is that
there's like a weird like alternate universe story

905
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:42.719
mode that does actually like get followed
up in Day of Reckoning too. Is

906
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:44.840
that the one where you can be
like Scott Steiner and you have to blow

907
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.559
up WrestleMania. God, I hope
that's true, throwing security guards on the

908
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:52.000
skyscraper. Yeah cool? Right,
Yeah, we should we should play that

909
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.719
game. Yeah, we should play
a bunch of these old wrestling games.

910
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:59.960
That should be something we do on
the site. Yeah, I will say

911
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.480
I'm not the biggest fan of No
Mercy, but I respect it's placing all

912
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:06.840
the pantheon of history same I actually, I mean just because I was a

913
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:09.440
fan of WCW, I do prefer
the WCW games. You get that on

914
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:15.480
it. Gentlemen, we've forgotten one
very important title actually, and it's a

915
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:23.480
license game, WWE the Mortals hal
thought it for a second. I brought

916
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:28.000
that game up numerous times when I
worked at w dowe be like, because

917
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.400
they would bring me into meetings about
the game, something like, hey,

918
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:31.960
make this, but make it a
non mobile game. This was cool as

919
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:35.719
hell, you should do this,
And they had no interest in that.

920
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:38.519
That's too bad because that was I
mean, it kind of is a successor

921
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:43.719
to those Midway games in some ways. But they really should have just made

922
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:45.960
a sequel that was on consoles even
now, they should do that. It

923
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:50.000
would rule. You know. What
else I pushed for was they canceled the

924
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:52.360
game called WWE Mania, I think, and there was concept art that came

925
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.840
out. It was Vince McMahon in
a mech suit. But it was like

926
00:59:54.880 --> 01:00:00.679
a power It was like a power
Stone style like four player, like Apocalypse.

927
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:04.119
It was an arena Fighter with Wrestlers. It would have been about like

928
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:07.840
early twenty tens that I got canned. I think maybe it was when THQ

929
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:10.840
got put under that I got canned. I'm not sure, but yeah,

930
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:14.679
there's a concept art out there of
Mex Sut McMahon and all that stuff.

931
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:19.360
But that game seemed really cool.
But h that's right, Ellian Miracle.

932
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:23.199
Remember when Daniel Brian was just himself
in Immortals. Everyone else is like version

933
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:28.119
of this guy in a T shirt? Yeah, dude in a T shirt?

934
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:30.440
Well, unless is there any any
other outliers that we're not thinking of

935
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:34.480
anything we haven't brought up. I
feel like we've covered the gamut in terms

936
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.880
of like big titles. Yeah,
I feel like, yeah, I feel

937
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:40.320
like we're doing pretty good here,
especially again Mount Rushmore. It's not necessarily

938
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:44.760
best, even though I think you
can maybe argue for it is sort of

939
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:50.280
the most uh emblematic, the most
prolific debit. Do you have Betrayal the

940
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:52.280
one where Stephanie mcmahontt's kidnapped and you
have to beat a bunch of dudes up

941
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:57.280
to savor Yeah, that one on
that Dragon, Yeah, it is.

942
01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:00.239
It's that it's a game Boy game
this Double Dragon? Does she kids shot

943
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:05.360
in the sequel? I don't think
so. I do enjoy the recent trajectory

944
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:08.119
of wrestling games because, like aw
Fight Forever, not the best game,

945
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:12.760
but it had some decent stuff,
like some neat ideas in it. Two

946
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:15.119
K twenty four, Dan like you've
you've been pretty hot on it, and

947
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:20.639
it's it's making improvements. Hopefully we'll
get to a place where wrestling games are

948
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:25.079
super fun for everyone. But gentlemen, are we locking this list down?

949
01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:29.639
Yeah, let's lock it in.
What's our Mount Rushmore? Janeto our Mount

950
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:35.119
Rushmore? Jeff grub Is, WWF
No Mercy, WWE SmackDown. Here comes

951
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:40.559
the pain Fire. Pro Wrestling returns
in w CWNWO Revenge. That's good.

952
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:45.119
That's good. That's good. I
mean, I can't wait to the third

953
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:52.280
game where we have to kill Mecha
mcmon mcmon, Yeah that floats off that

954
01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:55.480
time too. Well. Folks,
thank you for joining us for a lovely

955
01:01:55.599 --> 01:02:00.159
week here at giant bomb dot com. This has been BombCast Revenge. It's

956
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:05.239
a bunch of very very great videos
content have come out on the website,

957
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:07.719
and I suggest you take your weekend
to go watch all of it. You

958
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:12.519
can see Dan in a wig get
lost in a void of sorts. If

959
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.280
you missed, you pf go and
check that out. We wound up turning

960
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:22.159
it into a cooperative competitive game where
we we we helped our boy win big

961
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:25.559
money. Jeff Grubb is still actively
playing it right now. Even that's right.

962
01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:31.119
Go enjoy the weekend. Go listen
to birds, use your app,

963
01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:36.079
Go attract birds. Go go just
throw loaves of don't don't feed the birds.

964
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:40.159
Don't feed the birds like the birds. Hoppens a bag, hoppens,

965
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:50.480
hoppens. I've been, Jenny's been, Jemmy's been, Mike he's been,

966
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:57.960
Dada. Those are some birds I've
about to say, Are there any bird?

967
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:01.480
The wrestlers I remembered Raven and so
Marty's scrol I think still kids and

968
01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:08.000
the red Rooster. Oh, the
Goblin curtain. Yeah, the giant bond

969
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:10.000
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