1 00:00:44,600 --> 00:01:38,799 I can find no spok can taking a streams. Are you going back roll? 2 00:01:53,319 --> 00:01:56,760 You don't want problems? You don't want problems. Were gonna just stay 3 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,959 to the money comes open this album get into the bag. Then another one. 4 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,360 You don't want problems, don't We gonna just stay till the money comes 5 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,960 open. The solve them open the so get into the bag. Then another 6 00:02:13,039 --> 00:02:15,800 one. This is to make them gold by the first sober how they heat 7 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:21,039 it up a whole off the coach shoulder fact check really out. Next all 8 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:24,280 I saw me like really nicess everything they watch no best way, he's trapping 9 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:28,800 steak shots all and see a straight bullets the body, don't drop, don't 10 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:31,319 trot. Who's hot? Who's not? Like it's Me's a puff round here, 11 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:38,120 brock tempkins dat rug. You don't want problems. We gonna just stay 12 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,360 till the money comes open. This solveum open, so get into the bag. 13 00:02:43,479 --> 00:02:47,439 Then another one, you don't want problems problem, We gonna just stay 14 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:53,680 to the money cash open the solve them open, the get into the bag. 15 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:55,560 Then another I break for being on the scene. I had to get 16 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:00,280 my bag ragged Vinson nor twenties rubber bend in mad take control the flower runner, 17 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,120 rather live a fast life. Hold my wife grating, say the same 18 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:07,879 as my fast life spending before Jillian never came into our language. I can 19 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,159 called a crody music because he on the same issues, say train, moving, 20 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,360 gang, lifestyle, danger, sugar finger. Is it kind of looking 21 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:16,240 like I'm saying this? Sh fly lego bird and spend the world like the 22 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:21,039 refleet, stumba back and lose your whole gang trying to beat me last year 23 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,400 shot they got the clipbom repeat funny funny with your shade on shop seen me. 24 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,719 I shout like I'm a diamond, but I'm still in the rough. 25 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,479 I'm so this is about all work like I live in the color man. 26 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:32,400 I can tell these chiga cross and they thinking they something and he on the 27 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:37,719 shirt r P hit us her fake. I hope they gotta play finising it. 28 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:40,400 Don't make me with this mask on and going say fenigga socca na Man's 29 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:44,520 your operation be a staging and they rather shoot it out whom me. They 30 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:49,919 ain't know the beating last years. You don't want problems, don't we gonna 31 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,840 just stayed till the money comes open. This solve them open, So get 32 00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:59,159 into the bags, and another one you don't want problems, You don't want 33 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,520 problem. We gonna just stay until the money comes, hoping the song on 34 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:09,360 the bag, and another one you don't want no static, you don't want 35 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,960 no staging, pistol packing the store. Don't make him do the mathematics. 36 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,839 Mathematic don't make you disappear like magic. My gang gonna make you go poof 37 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:23,600 like the magicians, while flecho is some money back, go getting the until 38 00:04:23,639 --> 00:04:26,959 we got the cash. With some of them stops. I'm shooting like I'm 39 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,800 never missing. All lives on me like I'm pop. I don't want to 40 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:32,120 kill me. They don't want me with the pock. That's too bad for 41 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,480 me. And I never stopped gangle, make him pop, stay a lot. 42 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,040 I give him the drop ticking tough of um then, but when we 43 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,639 see him, they just shook one. We ain't my beat, but I 44 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,399 know you ain't gonna crooks. Treat the booth like it's a kitchen. Go 45 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:47,079 ahead and cook some about to do it. Big got the recipe from Brooklyn. 46 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,319 Others been I swag out know we about to cash out all up in 47 00:04:50,399 --> 00:04:54,319 this session. Little so they got our sass out We're gonna stay lay, 48 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:57,439 stay paid till we crash out. He's still trying to funny because getting a 49 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:02,319 mission the straps, you don't want pro We gonna just stay till the money 50 00:05:02,439 --> 00:05:08,800 comes open this solve them, get into the bag. Then another one. 51 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:13,240 You don't want problems, you don't want problem. We gonna just stay till 52 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,120 the money comes helping to solve them open. Ye, get into the bag. 53 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,160 Then another number wouldn't have been this race. I know they dreaming about 54 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,600 passing me up the damp position, or they wishing they get captured me shot 55 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:27,360 them with them lean. It's got some killers in my faculty and with a 56 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,399 mean one up, we're gonna turn them to a castle grinding just to chase 57 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:31,720 my dreams. To get to miss by any means, try to take it. 58 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:34,639 We're gonna beat your face up, like me believe talking like you're against 59 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,240 saying your raps. Just just make believe. Go to tan it on my 60 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,279 body. But I'm skimming it off beats because they like the act up to 61 00:05:41,399 --> 00:05:44,199 they ask it wrapped up out here beefing when you again, bro go get 62 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,439 your cash shocks falling like an MVP. You know I got my stats up 63 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,040 the clip long. 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And also we did play again to Hope the rapper 138 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:48,960 the world radio premiere of his brand new single Problems, really really good, 139 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,399 very catchy. Love that quite a bit, let's see. I do want 140 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:54,679 to let you know too if you are listening live, if you're looking for 141 00:12:54,840 --> 00:13:00,360 us on Facebook, the Facebook feed is down today the streaming software would not 142 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,360 connect, so sorry about that. But of course you can stream the show. 143 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:07,000 You can stream the audio from anywhere if you go to wmnhradio dot org 144 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,879 or of course my website Matt Connorton dot com, slash live and if you're 145 00:13:11,919 --> 00:13:16,840 local in the Manchester area you can just listen at ninety five point three FM, 146 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,120 so we encourage that as well. We have joining us in the studio 147 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:26,919 right now John MacArthur is here. Hello, welcome John. He Matt, 148 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,879 you of course are from We met through NH Music Collective. We were at 149 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:37,080 the Run Like Thieves show in Conquered and tell us tell us a little bit 150 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,480 about that, and by the way, we are going to play some of 151 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,600 your music too, because you are a musician in addition, of course, 152 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,000 but tell us about the NH Music Collective. Well, the NH Music Collective 153 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:50,240 was actually started by Brad Myrick a number of years ago. He's just a 154 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:58,600 super accomplished guitarist from Hillsborough. Okay, Hopkinton, Sorry, hopkind I can 155 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:05,240 even I've continued to answer. And it was sort of a side hustle business 156 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,759 for him, uh, because people kept asking can you help us find other 157 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,960 talent as good as you for to play some of the venues that he was 158 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,360 playing, and so he grew that. But it was pretty much a side 159 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:20,480 hustle business for him, and he was working out his strings and things. 160 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,399 He was one of the first people that I met when I moved up here. 161 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:28,399 He was actually he was introduced to me by Mikey g If you know 162 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,639 Mikey g Oh, I think I do yeh. When I came up here. 163 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:37,919 I met Mikey. I saw him at the common Man and Conquered and 164 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,159 I told him what I was up here doing, and he said, oh, 165 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:43,440 you got to meet Brad Myrik. So met Brad Myrik. I worked 166 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,360 with him for a little bit on some projects at a recording studio we had 167 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:52,200 in Guildford, and then my wife and I liked Brad so much in what 168 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,600 he was doing, we decided to invest in in in a music collective and 169 00:14:56,679 --> 00:15:01,519 so we joined the team and it's been growing from there. Excellent, excellent. 170 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,440 I want to hear more about all of all of that and what you 171 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:11,279 do, but I also want to play let's i'd like to give because I 172 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,120 want to talk to you about that. But I also want to talk to 173 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:18,759 about your music because you are a musician. And one of these tracks that 174 00:15:18,919 --> 00:15:22,960 you sent is pretty new, I think right for these both new, they're 175 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,919 both new. Actually, I just I've had in my mind this album that 176 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,799 I wanted to do called Friends, Family and Me, Yeah, and so 177 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,360 songs that I wrote, songs that some friends wrote, yeah, some family 178 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:41,399 members wrote. So we just started putting it together and the first two tracks 179 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:43,080 were the simplest one, so I put those out. We're going back in 180 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,519 the studio soon to finish up the other switch a little more complex. Excellent, 181 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:50,799 excellent. So let's play this and this is really pretty. Uh, 182 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:58,480 how do you say? This is a terzaa tisa? Yeah? Okay, 183 00:15:58,559 --> 00:16:00,519 what does that mean? Is that just an or does? Well? It's 184 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:03,799 a it is a name, it's a biblical name, but it also kind 185 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:08,039 of translates to my delight. Okay, and so when I think of this 186 00:16:08,159 --> 00:16:11,960 song, helps me think of it? And is it just you on the 187 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:17,039 song? That's okay? Yeah, let's give this a listen. It's short, 188 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,919 but it's really pretty. I like this a lot, and then we'll 189 00:16:18,919 --> 00:18:36,559 come back and talk more with John MacArthur. But check this out. I 190 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,039 love that. That is really nice. That is tirsa am I saying it 191 00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:41,519 correctly, John, John MacArthur is here with us live in studio. Do 192 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:45,599 you do you fingerpick all of that? Or finger pick? I'm always really 193 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:51,640 impressed by that when I when I see people do that, I don't feel 194 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,720 like I'm a bass player and I and I play with a I even play 195 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:57,200 bass with a pick. I don't because I just like, to me, 196 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:03,119 it's I can't image. What it must be like to use fingers to make 197 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,240 all that happen. So I love that that is that is truly remarkable. 198 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:10,480 We have another one of your songs too that we'll we'll play later in the 199 00:19:10,519 --> 00:19:14,519 segment, but very beautiful. Where do you record? Well, actually recorded 200 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:19,079 that up at the studio Portland. Okay, a quick update on my wife 201 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,680 and me. We just made a major investment in the studio Portland, so 202 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,039 oh congratulations, thank you. Yes, I are the majority owners of it 203 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,279 now. Actually that started as a collaboration between NAH Music Collective and the Studio 204 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,519 Portland and oh reve and I liked the like the studio, and actually our 205 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:37,039 son is one of the engineers there. He's he was the engineer on this 206 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,559 song, Oh outstanding, and so so we decided to invest in it. 207 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:45,400 And so it's been great. And that must be cool too to be able 208 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,799 to work with your son creatively like that, that must be amazing. It 209 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:53,039 is he's actually producing this album and so it's so he's the engineer and the 210 00:19:53,079 --> 00:19:56,640 producer on this and doing a lot of the arrangements. So oh, very 211 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:02,119 good, very good. Now, So getting back to NH Music Collective, 212 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:04,119 what is what are some of the things that you do. You told us 213 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,720 a little bit about the history of it and how you got involved. What 214 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:12,079 what does the collective do? What are the goals of it in terms of 215 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:17,519 I mean, obviously it involves New Hampshire music and perhaps musicians from other areas 216 00:20:17,599 --> 00:20:19,880 as well. But but tell us tell us about the kind of the mission 217 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:25,720 statement of NH Music Collective. Well, it's really been evolving. So the 218 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:30,240 you know, we started this, you know, sort shortly after COVID hit 219 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,119 shut a lot of things down, right. Well, our investment in it 220 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:38,960 and our goal initially was to get musicians work, just get as much work 221 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,359 as we possibly could for musicians and a better pay with better experiences for the 222 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,839 musicians and for the audiences. So as we think about venues that we want 223 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,119 to work with, we want to work with venues that are investing in music, 224 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,279 care about both music and the musicians and the experience that it creates for 225 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:03,799 the audience. And so it's just been growing from that perspective a lot. 226 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,799 We did fifteen hundred events last year. Really, wow, I had no 227 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,680 idea. Yeah, that's incredible, that's incredible. Yeah, for our team 228 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,960 of three, we did all right, from Maine down to Rhode Island. 229 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:22,519 So we're not just New Hampshire, although that's the name NH Music, but 230 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,440 most of our events are more of our events are New Hampshire, but we're 231 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:33,039 expanding into other areas as well. So you did fifteen hundred events in a 232 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,759 year. Yes, you don't look tired, but you must be. I'm 233 00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:41,480 exhausted. I'm actually exhausted because we were in Portland, Maine. Brad and 234 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:44,359 I were in Portland, Maine, Riva. We're all in Portland, Maine 235 00:21:44,839 --> 00:21:52,599 on Thursday night for a live audience recording of six singer songwriters, some of 236 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,519 them from Manchester by the way, drove all the way to Portland to be 237 00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:59,799 part of this. And then last night I was at delivery and Sun of 238 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:03,400 you didn't get home till eleven thirty. After that, we had a We 239 00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:11,240 had a duo from the UK. They were top ten finalists in Britain's Got 240 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,519 Talent, Oh wow, six years ago. Yeah, Jack Intemps. They're 241 00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:18,000 actually staying with my wife and and maybe this weekend we put it. We 242 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:19,519 got four shows for them, so that was one of them last night. 243 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:25,440 So I'm exhausted. Yeah, yeah, but I'm having but I'm having a 244 00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:27,359 great time. YEAHNT matter, I don't care. Yeah, there you go, 245 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:32,720 there you go, perfect, that's perfect. Yeah, And how long? 246 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:36,440 But so you told us, but I forget what when did you first 247 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:38,519 get involved in n H Music Collective. How long has it been even I 248 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:44,200 invested in June June, I think twenty twenty. Okay, So, now 249 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,079 did you expect it to get to this point where you're doing so many shows 250 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,240 and where you're doing so much like what was your what was your expectation? 251 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,720 Have you? I guess I'm guessing the way things have gone may have exceeded 252 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:00,480 your expectations or maybe not. I don't know. But you know, we 253 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:03,279 got big we got big dreams, and we're starting to get to some of 254 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,759 them. You know, we want to elevate the I have to be careful 255 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:11,200 always say, but we want to we want to elevate the experience for the 256 00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:15,559 audience, right, and so that means the musicians have to take it seriously, 257 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:18,559 the venues have to take it seriously, and we're and and create some 258 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:25,039 real quality experiences for the audience. So one of my favorites that I started, 259 00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:33,039 I started about I guess two years a little over two years ago was 260 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:34,839 at sap House Metery and Center, Osipe, which is in the middle of 261 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,519 nowhere, right, And it's a tiny little place, small, not much 262 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:44,559 bigger than this studio, you know. And so we partnered up with them 263 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,759 to create a meat tasting. They make honeywines there and a three course meal, 264 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,440 right, and a one hour concert and the music and the food are 265 00:23:56,519 --> 00:24:00,799 paired. So we've had Indian performers, we had the Indian food. We 266 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,880 had Sunny Hunt there, which I'm sure you know. So we had Senny 267 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,839 there, and we had West African food. We've done Cuban, We've done 268 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,519 Brazilian and all that, so that that kind of an experience. We sell 269 00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:15,680 those shows out. They're just they're fabulous. Oh, I can imagine. 270 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,519 And then I don't know, like giving some of the local performers an opportunity 271 00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:25,000 to be on some bigger stages. This partnership with with Capital Center for the 272 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:30,119 Arts and the Canton Lounge. Yes, but then we had and and and 273 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:36,960 now the challenge goal is after Taylor Hughes show I think I told you about. 274 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,000 Yeah, Taylor, Taylor's somebody had never done a ticket a concert before. 275 00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:42,759 Oh, he's amazing. We've had him on the show. He's amazing, 276 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,319 and he sold out the Canton Lounge and he said, but I got 277 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,480 twenty five people who want to buy tickets, and so they said, okay, 278 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:52,079 we'll flip you to the other side. So we flipped it to the 279 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,599 three hundred seat side. Wow, and he sold that out, no kidding, 280 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,000 in June. Yeah, that was amazing. That was phenomenal. So 281 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:03,160 we're going to do some more shows with him. We're working with some other 282 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:10,720 theaters. Yeah, so anyway, we want to So that's a long answer 283 00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:14,000 to your question, but we want to elevate the opportunities for the for the 284 00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:18,599 local artists. We also want to create touring opportunities for national artists and international 285 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,559 artists. So we're starting to do that with some of these concert venues that 286 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:26,440 we're partnering with. Okay, and we're just starting to get into more risk 287 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:32,759 taking things for us where we're actually almost acting as a promoter. Okay, 288 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,279 how many how many venues do you currently have partnerships with? I mean, 289 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,240 is it is it quite a few? Or yeah, it's a lot. 290 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,160 I can't even I haven't counted. The Brad has a bunch that he works 291 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,039 with I have a bunch that I work with and then we collaborate on some 292 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,640 so I have a spreadsheet. Yeah, I'd have to consult that. I 293 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,599 have lots of spreadsheet. Yeah. Yeah, well no, that's good, 294 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,160 that's good. Yeah. We were very impressed because when when Jenny and I 295 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:06,279 met you at the Canton Room, the right Canon Canton, Canton Lounge, 296 00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:10,680 Canton ro I can't yeah, okay, but you you came for a Run 297 00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:15,640 like Thieves. Yes, yes, And we'd never been there before and walked 298 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,440 in and it was like, wow, this is really nice, this is 299 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:22,119 really nice. It was it was great. I'll tell you that was an 300 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,960 interesting one for me because I've known Dan Fallon, who's the lead singer for 301 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,720 that, for a while. We started booking him a few I don't know, 302 00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:34,480 a year or two ago like that, and then you put together this 303 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:37,480 band. He used to have the Dan Fallon band, and then he had 304 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:38,880 the Run then Run like Thieves. I knew the bass player, I didn't 305 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,839 know the drummer, but now I know him, and and so we hadn't 306 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,920 done too many bands there, and I said, Dan, let's I like 307 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:48,640 him, and said, let's let's try this, see if you can sell 308 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:56,480 some tickets. Ticket sales are fascinating for me. So so for Dan's show, 309 00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:00,920 I think we were a week out and we sold thirty five tickets, 310 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:07,559 yeah, and a whole seventy five seats right, yeah, And the day 311 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,599 of the show, we were turning people away. No, okay, that's 312 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,400 so many last minute people. I wish if I could do, if I 313 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,200 could change one thing here, it would be have people make a commitment early 314 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:22,279 to get out and see live music and bring a friend. Yep, yeah, 315 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,440 yeah, I have a new religions I go. It's like, don't 316 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,200 go see music alone. Yeah yeah, So anytime you want to go back 317 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:37,200 Jen Kidd, yeah absolutely. Yeah. So obviously in that situation, it 318 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:38,759 was too late to flip him to the the bigger room. Yeah. So 319 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,119 that's the thing, right, And then we had and then we had the 320 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,599 same situation with SENNI when Senny played there, he was coming back, he's 321 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,799 a big following, he has a big following, and he was in the 322 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:53,559 same situation. It was thirty five or so's tickets sold, and luckily the 323 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,799 person who handles the box office was there that night and they let me bump 324 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,200 it up to like ninety two there, but we couldn't flip it to the 325 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:04,039 other side too late. You need more staff for that. So anyway, 326 00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:07,480 it was a great These are great experiences, but hey, message to your 327 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:12,359 listeners please please make a commitment early. Bring a friend. It matters to 328 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:18,039 the venues so they can plan better. It matters to the performers and and 329 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,160 if you if you, if you think you might not be able to come, 330 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:26,480 something might come up. Give the ticket away to a veteran or yeah 331 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,240 that's a great idea, that's a great idea something, Yeah, give it 332 00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:33,079 us a friend. Yeah. Yeah, people probably don't don't think of that 333 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:38,440 in terms of not waiting, because in this social media world that we live 334 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,319 in, you know, you've got so many options of different things you can 335 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:48,559 do, and it's it's probably this hadn't occurred to me until until you brought 336 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:52,119 this up, this subject up, but yeah, it's probably too easy for 337 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,400 people to just kind of wait till the last minute, and and they don't 338 00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:00,279 you know, of course they don't know that that can cause a challenge for 339 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,119 the artists and the venue and whatnot if they don't. If you don't know, 340 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,960 it's no different than if you're planning a party, and you want to 341 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,160 kind of have an idea of how many people are coming, so you know 342 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,200 how much food to get or whatever. You know. And and and if 343 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,920 you don't know, and you get all these people showing up at the last 344 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,559 minute you weren't expecting, it can cause a problem. Yeah, I guess 345 00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:22,160 the great thing is if you turn someone away at the door, Yeah, 346 00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:25,440 where'd we'll get out? You need to start committing right, Yeah, there 347 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,119 you go. Well, and it's a good problem to have in the sense 348 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,079 that you know, you're you're doing something that there's high demand for. And 349 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:34,519 and and this artist is obviously ascendant if they're you know, they're building a 350 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,279 follow and if people who want to see them, so so that's uh, 351 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:44,039 that's that's great. And now, in terms of the partnership with and I'm 352 00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:45,720 familiar. I live in Manchester now, but I grew up in Conquered so 353 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,519 I'm very familiar with the Capital Center. It's the Capital Center, right, 354 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:55,279 It's capital Center for the artist. Because the only reason I hesitate on that 355 00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:57,480 because when I was a kid, it was the Capital Theater. And I 356 00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:02,000 don't remember when it changed, but at some point when I was growing up 357 00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:06,400 it changed from Capital Theater to Capital Center. Yeah. Well, and I 358 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,880 don't know the full history. I get. I think there's a book about 359 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:15,079 the history of the smaller venue. Oh that's available at the bookstore across at 360 00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:19,160 Gibson's. Oh yeah, I met, I met the guy who who's I 361 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,000 think his mother or his grandmother used to run them when it was a movie 362 00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:27,799 theater. Yes, I remember that. I remember being really little and my 363 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,119 dad taking me to that theater to see Raiders of the Lost Ark. Okay, 364 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,960 there you go, there you go, so so and he would tell 365 00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,880 stories about sleeping upstairs at the theater. Oh wow. Yeah. But yeah, 366 00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:44,480 so they acquired it. They saved that building because they had the chub 367 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,960 I think, you know, and then they saved and renovated being H now 368 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,640 it's being H stage. Yeah. It was Capital Theater, right, so 369 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,119 the movie theater. Yeah, yeah, right, it was a movie theater. 370 00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:03,160 Yeah, did a major renovation and it's turned into a great flex space, 371 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,599 meaning you've got the lounge upstairs, which is a little bit like Jimmy's 372 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,319 almost in in in Portsmouth, you know, with the lounge seating and stuff 373 00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:17,640 like that. And then and then you've got the very flexible other side, 374 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,400 which is three hundred seats which can collapse down to a dance floor and one 375 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,319 hundred seats or whatever. And then you've got the Chubb for really big, 376 00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:27,960 you know, much bigger shows. Yeah, it's great, it's just great. 377 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,119 They've been and we've been able to get some opportunities for some of our 378 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,079 local performers to open for acts on the big stage. And yeah, so 379 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:45,880 that's important to me. They're not they're now going to us for opening acts 380 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:51,519 or to recommend openings. Yeah cool. Yeah. Do you play out? 381 00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:56,960 Yeah? I occasionally play a farmer's market or if we get a last minute 382 00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:00,319 sub request and we and we've gone through four hundred and fifty you know, 383 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,599 we go through fifty sometimes artists and can't find someone else's pick this up. 384 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,720 Sometimes I'll do it. I enjoy playing out, but I I don't need 385 00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:13,359 to play out, and I don't really want to take work away from other 386 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:19,440 art honestly. Yeah, because a lot of our arts are full time performers. 387 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,400 Yes, how they make their living. Yeah yeah, yeah. Yeah. 388 00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:25,039 When you do play out, do you just do you do instrumentals or 389 00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:29,599 do you also sing? I sing? Yeah, Yeah, I'm a picker 390 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,200 and Grenner. Yeah, I'm an old folky. Yeah, you know, 391 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,200 I used to play a lot of broke folk and okidd like that, but 392 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:42,279 I like I you know, I grew up on Simon and Garfunkle, and 393 00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:47,519 I grew up on you know, more obscure, more obscure stuff. Yeah. 394 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,279 So, but I'll play occasionally songs that people know. I'm also a 395 00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:55,160 big fan of David Wilcox songwriting. I don't know if you know him, 396 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,880 but I love hist. He's a baritone, which is nice for me because 397 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,720 I'm yeah, yeah, so much music is for tenors, that's true. 398 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,880 Where are you from? Are you? You're not from here originally? Right, 399 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:13,480 I'm from all over. I was born in Miami Beach, grew up 400 00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:17,759 in western Colorado, back to Florida, met my wife in Florida. Then 401 00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:22,759 we moved to Minnesota where and then to Texas and then to Massachusetts and then 402 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:23,759 up here. Oh yeah, I've been all over? Yeah, yeah, 403 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:29,240 what what brought it up up here? Ultimately? Well, New Hampshire specifically, 404 00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:32,079 or the Northeast both, Okay, the Northeast because my wife is a 405 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:37,200 neuropsychologist. In addition to being a third of NH Music Collective, and a 406 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:40,880 major investor in the studio. But she's a neuropsychologist and she came up to 407 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,599 work in a head injury rehab facility in Boston, no kidding, and in 408 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:52,039 the Boston area, And so I was in Texas. I had left music 409 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:58,359 at that point and I had started working in it, and so so she 410 00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,240 got the job, was a psychologist. I came up and worked on I 411 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:07,119 teach job up for a bank in Boston. Yeah. We came to New 412 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:14,440 Hampshire because our oldest son found his passion in audio recording and he went to 413 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:21,199 NESCAM, New England School of Communications at Huston University. And as he was 414 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,840 getting ready to graduate, it's like, okay, he's not you know, 415 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:30,760 he needs a place to work, and so we just we've stumbled on a 416 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,079 property that had a studio on it, so we bought it and then I 417 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:40,239 came up here to help him grow the business. When you I'm curious about 418 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,440 this. So you were when you were still living in Texas. So you 419 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,639 left you say you left music, Yeah, because I don't play country. 420 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,320 I was doing really well in Minnesota. Yeah, playing the college, start 421 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,360 get playing every every restaurant, every every everyone had music. In Minnesota in 422 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,559 the early eighties. Everywhere where in minutes wasn't Minneapolis. I was a Minneapolis 423 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,559 but I but great music scene. Yeah. But I would play up to 424 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:07,079 Bmidgie, you know, I would play out, I play across Wisconsin down 425 00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:12,719 to Iya, Iowa. So I was playing all around that area, playing 426 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,039 five, six nights a week. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, so you 427 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:19,000 were full time. I was full time. Yeah. When when my wife 428 00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:21,880 and I met, I was I was full time music. So I did 429 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,159 that for while she finished her PhD. And she did her first post doc 430 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:31,440 up in Minnesota, and then she got her first faculty position at University of 431 00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:35,400 Texas. And I don't play country, and the money was lousy, no 432 00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:39,280 kidding, the money was horrible. Yeah wow. So uh and with and 433 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,840 without playing country, there was really no There was really no opportunity at that 434 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,320 point. I mean there was a little bit in Austin, but not a 435 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,480 lot. It wasn't like it is today. Yeah, because I was going 436 00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:51,840 to say today it's it's such a vibrant scene. For so, I had 437 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,320 an agent in Minnesota kind of like what well, the opposite side of the 438 00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,639 equation from what anach music collected. But I had had a king agency. 439 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,960 That was my pretty much my sole representation. Yeah. And then and then 440 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,519 in uh in Texas, I got an agent down there, but the gigs 441 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:15,320 were just horrible. Wow. Yeah, drive two hundred fifty miles because you 442 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,519 can in Texas without leaving the county. Yeah, you know, yeah, 443 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,320 get paid fifty bucks in no hotel and gets you know, It's like, 444 00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:29,280 no, was it was it difficult for you to make that transition or or 445 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:31,400 it wasn't? It was time? You know? Yeah, it was it 446 00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:36,519 was time for me at that point. Yeah. So a lot of musicians 447 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,360 get burnt out anyway and kind of need need a break. Yeah, well 448 00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:44,760 they they do. And I you know, I think, I mean, 449 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,920 Texas wasn't going to be my home. Turned out it wasn't my wife some 450 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,679 me either there. She was ready to go within six months. So so 451 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,280 we we only stayed in Texas for about eleven and a half months. Oh 452 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:01,039 okay, and then she got this job opportunity and Boston, So so I 453 00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:05,840 followed her up there, up up to Boston. Oh excellent. So once 454 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,440 that happened, did you did you jump right back in to play it? 455 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,760 No? I didn't get that point. I'd already started down the its path, 456 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,920 and yeah, got a little more addicted to money, you know, 457 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:22,360 right, And I knew that. I knew as a musician, I wasn't 458 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,920 going to blow up. You know, I'm a songwriter. I like what 459 00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:30,599 I do. I liked some of the songs I write. I don't like 460 00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:32,239 them all. I like what I play. I don't like all that I 461 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,760 play. Yeah, so, you know, and and I find it, 462 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,440 found a sort of a more natural fit for me in it. And so 463 00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:45,400 I did that for a lot of years. And so what was it now? 464 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,679 You talked about your son and buying the property with the studio and everything. 465 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,039 When that was happening, did you kind of think, like, did 466 00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:59,599 you know that that was really just the beginning of you plunging all the way 467 00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:01,559 in like you have now. I had no idea, really, I had 468 00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:05,159 no idea. No. I was I was working as an analyst for an 469 00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:09,639 IT consultancy, Gartner Group, and you know that was They're the probably the 470 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:15,480 largest IT consultancy. And you know, I had clients all over the planet, 471 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:20,239 and I was traveling some, you know, before COVID, I was 472 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,760 traveling some, but we all worked remotely, so I could work from anywhere, 473 00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:30,559 you know. Yeah, so, but just gradually over time it just 474 00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:34,280 got more and more of you know, Brad and Reeve and I started growing 475 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,880 in a music collective. The studio. The studio was not growing as fast 476 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:44,480 as we wanted it to. I'm really proud of some of the recordings that 477 00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:47,760 came out of there. Sam did a fabulous job. Brad produced some of 478 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,719 the music there. We actually did Brad and Nicola's out, one of Brad 479 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:58,000 and Nicola's albums, which Nicola Cipriani is his duo partner, who's fantastic from 480 00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:02,199 Italy. He was over and we did that album. We did Eric Lindbergh's 481 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,599 album. We did if you remember Victim of Circumstance, I think so. 482 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,039 Yeah. So they've all broken up as a band, but they're all playing 483 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:15,119 in great bands now. So so Harrison's playing in River Saying Wild, and 484 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:24,320 and Cam is playing in uh Rumboat Chili. Okay, sorry sorry Cam if 485 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:30,920 you're listening Rumboat Chili and and and Brad. I don't know what Brad's doing 486 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,840 right now. Brad Hartwick he went off to another band for a while. 487 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,039 So anyway, but we did that there EP and so really good stuff. 488 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,719 So we did. He's done. Sam's done all the cameos, the recordings 489 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,599 if you know her, and yes, actually yeah so anyway, but but 490 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:53,159 Portland is is a great place now, so Sam moved. Sam came to 491 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,039 us a year and a half past a day. I want to go to 492 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:59,280 Portland, so go always been a great scene. Yeah, it's a great 493 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:05,920 scene there. And there's more musical diversity maybe yeah there, which is nice. 494 00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:09,360 Yeah. So yeah, so it's just worked out really well. Is 495 00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:16,840 is the marketing of a recording studio in this era? Is it? Is 496 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,519 that a big challenge because there's so many of them? Well not with you 497 00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:27,519 talking about it right there, Well, you know, I think when you 498 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:30,800 think about recording. So first of all, this is the studio that we 499 00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:39,159 acquired is a commercial studio, meaning it does voiceover, it does podcast, 500 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:45,079 does a dr for for movies. Oh wow, it also records albums. 501 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:54,119 Yeah, it's a training program for for aspiring producers recording engineers. So you've 502 00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:58,000 got a lot to offer. There's a lot. There's a lot going on 503 00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:01,079 in that place. So yeah, and I've only learned that recently since all 504 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:05,239 the incoming calls now come to me. Oh really yeah, yeah, so 505 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,519 all of the phone. This is the oldest commercial studio in Maine, and 506 00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:14,639 it's had the same phone number since the beginning, kidding, and the building 507 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,079 owner was getting all the calls and I since we acquired, I switched the 508 00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:21,800 phones to come to me. Yeah, and it's just been remarkable. Yeah, 509 00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:24,800 that's great. So anyway, it's u But yes, you're right, 510 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:30,519 because the big competition for a lot of studios is not another studio, it's 511 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:34,719 home recording. Yep. Yeah, Well do the podcast at home. I'm 512 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,840 going to record my album at home. I'm gonna yeah, And there's nothing 513 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,239 wrong with that, right, It's a little more difficult to do a full 514 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,920 drum kit at home with proper acoustics. Yeah, absolutely. But anyway, 515 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,880 you know, so we also want to be a support mechanism for home recorders 516 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,719 too. We'll help them, we'll train them. Yeah. Oh that's really 517 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,480 cool. Yeah. And our competition there is Berkeley, that's what seventy eighty 518 00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:02,679 thousand a year. Yeah. I did a summer program there and yeah it's 519 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,639 expensive. No, So that's great, that's great. And your son must 520 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,639 be very happy. He's very happy. He's very happy. He's working. 521 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,079 You know, every day is a different a different project, and your day's 522 00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:20,119 a different experience, and and he's super super technical, so that's good. 523 00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:22,800 He can handle all of the surprises that come up. Yeah, yeah, 524 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,320 because I would imagine in the beginning there must have particularly been a lot of 525 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,199 surprises going into a situation like that. Well, he actually wired that studio 526 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:37,039 for the for the for the other producer. They're the one who sort of 527 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:42,679 took over that business from the prior operator. Oh so Sam has they call 528 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,920 him soldering Sam. Yeah, so he actually wired up that studio in the 529 00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:52,079 storage studio that he had before that. So he and Ryan Ordway have a 530 00:42:52,119 --> 00:43:00,559 great relationship. Yes, Oh, what band was it I used to book? 531 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,719 I was? I worked as years ago? Jeez, this might have 532 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,960 Oh my god, where does the time go? I think this was twenty 533 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:08,960 years ago? Years ago. I was going to say Ryan Ordway was in 534 00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:13,239 a band that I used to book. I did. I was a booking 535 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,840 agent for a bunch of bands and what the hell was the name of the 536 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,079 band? I can't remember the name of the band now, but Ran Ryan's 537 00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,920 amazing. I haven't talked to him in so long, but wow, Yeah, 538 00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:30,519 but I used to see him like a few times a month because I 539 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:34,880 was booking his band pretty heavy. Yeah, I can't remember what the name 540 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,400 of the band was, you know, and I don't know, I've I 541 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,159 don't I don't even know the name of his bands. But so he was 542 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:47,440 operating the studio that was on the property that we acquired when Sam when when 543 00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:52,159 Sam was graduating from NESCA and we were looking for a place. Yeah. 544 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:58,519 Actually, the first recording that Sam did after we took over that space and 545 00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:07,800 installed a new a console was in collaboration with Ryan with you'll you'll probably you'll 546 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,960 probably know this name, Alex Preston. Yes, so Alex. So we 547 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:19,920 actually recorded a couple of the songs Sam did, uh of Alex when one 548 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,480 of in one of the albums that he did after he was third I think 549 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:25,559 it was third place on American Idol or something like that. Okay, yeah, 550 00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:29,760 yeah, yeah, Oh very cool, very cool. Wow, that's 551 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,360 awesome. I think what we should do because I want to play uh, 552 00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:36,519 we've got we've got a little bit more time to talk, but I also 553 00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:42,000 want to play this other song. I think it's willing. Anything we should 554 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,599 know about this one. The only thing, the only story on this one 555 00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:51,719 is sorry The only story on that is that I had I have a fellow 556 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,119 that I used to play with, Alan Gross, down in Florida, and 557 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,920 when I told him I was going to do this album as I was going 558 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,559 to include one of his songs, and I told him I was going to 559 00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:02,320 put Tirtsa on it, he said, well, you got to do this 560 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,920 other song that I've got that I heard you play once and I'd forgotten that 561 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,760 I wrote it. He said, but I want this on the album, 562 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,639 and so I don't play it out because it's really short, it's very simple 563 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,360 and you need a real listening audience to play it. So I just to 564 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,360 say, you got to put it on the album. Set. So this 565 00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:23,760 is for Alan Gross, my former playing partner, that I that I agree 566 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,199 to put it on the album. All right, very nice, and this 567 00:45:27,360 --> 00:46:42,840 is called willing. I love the way that sounds. Thanks. We were 568 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,960 talking about broke folks. So I used to listen to a lot to John 569 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,880 Renbourne. When I was in college. There was another guitar player, Peter 570 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,360 Angermeer, that I played with some and he would play these most remarkable things 571 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,639 in dad gad tuning, and I didn't know dad gad tuning d a d 572 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,880 G a D tuning tar. He was playing this song, It's like, 573 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,320 how'd you do that? How'd you do that? Asking him about it? 574 00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:07,880 So I sort of got addicted to that tuning. Well. John Renbourne plays 575 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,599 in that tuning a lot. Okay. He was with a group called Pentangle 576 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,480 back in the Six Seasons. Okay, yeah, Yeah. I just love 577 00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:22,320 the way the way the guitar sounds and when you can when it sounds so 578 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,840 good that you can you can hear the fingers moving on the fret board, 579 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,320 you know what I mean. I love that because that's not an easy thing 580 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:36,159 to capture. Yeah, and and Sam, as I said, recorded that 581 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:39,880 and what I love about the way But it's the same thing with Brad and 582 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:45,639 Nicole Nicola's album. Yeah, if you get a chance to listen to to 583 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,840 that one, it was just the guitar sounds that he's able to capture. 584 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,719 He has a lot of microphones on the guitar. It's not one, it's 585 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:59,280 not one microphone, He's got a lot of Yeah. Yeah, because the 586 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:04,440 next the fredboard must be miked too, right, it's not just mic in 587 00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:07,119 front of the body of the guitar. Yeah, you know, I am 588 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,880 not an engineer. I don't even play one on TV. I leave it 589 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,960 to the experts. I'm always super curious about that. But yeah, yeah, 590 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,559 no, but we got to get him on the show. But but 591 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,960 yeah, the sound of that is is just just really really good. Did 592 00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:27,559 you say, do you have an album that you're working on. I'm working 593 00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:31,519 on it. We've got Sam's been working on the arrangements. By the way, 594 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:35,599 the rest of the album will sound almost nothing like that. Really. 595 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,599 I have two other songs I'm going to do and dad Gad tuning. Both 596 00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:40,119 of those are in dad Gad. But then I'm going to do a song 597 00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:46,079 that my brother wrote called Sugarfly Mama, which is nothing like Yeah, any 598 00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:49,760 of these, and I've got a few others. Yeah, yeah, very 599 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,960 cool. If you're just joining us, we have John MacArthur here with us 600 00:48:53,400 --> 00:49:01,239 live in studio, and John is from NH Music Collective. And now getting 601 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,760 back to that a little bit. We had a few minutes left. What 602 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,880 Jenny is here as well? By the way, Jenny, Jenny was busy 603 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,079 typing away on something, but hello, Jenny, I'm present, yes, 604 00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:21,360 yes, present, and account in terms of NH Music Collective. How do 605 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,679 you how does that work? Uh, bringing in artists to work with. 606 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,000 I mean, do do artists reach out to you that want to work with 607 00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:30,760 the collective? Do you seek them out? Is it both? Is it 608 00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:34,880 so? It's a little bit, it's it's a lot of both. We 609 00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:42,119 probably get twenty inquiries a month wow of hey how do A lot of times 610 00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,679 the conversation will start like, hey, I'm looking to play more in New 611 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,400 Hampshire. You seem to be booking all the all the venues that I want 612 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,280 to play, so excuse me, So you know, how can I become 613 00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:00,440 part of the collective. I started running an open mic that Pat Tricksy to 614 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:07,920 sort of vet singer songwriters. Bands are a little harder. Yeah, yeah, 615 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:14,119 hey allergies. Yeah no, I was gonna say, I know the 616 00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:20,239 pain. Okay, I met three nights in a row of four hours of 617 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,840 sleep, so yeah. But yeah, So I try to get out as 618 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,800 much as I can. I mean, I'm out listening to music four or 619 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,400 five nights a week if if I can. Some of that's just checking on 620 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:36,800 our venues. But we're we're talent virus for venues. We're not agents for 621 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,079 artists, and a lot of I think a lot of artists don't understand the 622 00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:45,280 difference. So the venues hire us to book talent for them. Yeah right, 623 00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:52,559 I tell people who who are looking for places to play, there are 624 00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:55,159 lots of places to play. Yes, we book a lot of venues, 625 00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:59,159 but there are lots of places to play. And I don't care how good 626 00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:02,400 you are, we would never be able to keep you sufficiently full to fill 627 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,679 your whole calendar if you're a full time musician. I didn't have enough venues, 628 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,719 and the venues went for some of the venues want a lot of variety. 629 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,079 Yeah, Like I have several venues that they don't want to see the 630 00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:15,639 same person more than once a quarter or once oh okay week, so yeah, 631 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,760 two months. So like, you got to have a lot of venues. 632 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,000 If someone wants to work, I take a guy like Colin Hart or 633 00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:27,800 Rebecca Turmel. I don't know if you've talked to them, but yeah, 634 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,880 Actually, while we met Rebecca Turmel at the Run Like Thieves show, Yes 635 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,159 you did. Yeah, And she's she's coming on on my birthday actually on 636 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,639 October. She's, oh cool, she's booked on the show. Yeah. 637 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,719 But she also she plays like six nights a week. Sometimes she does doubleheaders. 638 00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:50,239 Colin Hart's the same way. I mean, I couldn't possibly they Yeah, 639 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,239 you do the math. Okay, yes, we did fifteen hundred events, 640 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,920 but we worked with over two hundred musicians. Well that doesn't the math 641 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,599 doesn't work there to be their sole agent. Yeah, yeah, so you 642 00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:05,400 know so, but we are adding, we're adding some venues, you know, 643 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,880 selectively, carefully. Yeah, we're not right for everybody. Yeah, 644 00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:13,480 you know, the people who want to pay an artist one hundred bucks for 645 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,079 four hours, We're not the right for them, right, Yeah, if 646 00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:21,800 they, if they, if they want to really invest in music, and 647 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,000 then then then we might be. And if want to invest in the marketing 648 00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:30,320 of their performances and create good experiences for talent, then yeah we might be. 649 00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:35,239 Yeah. Do you ever have anyone approach you? And and obviously I 650 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,719 wouldn't watch you to name names or anything, but does anyone ever approach you 651 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:45,199 where you have to say, I'm sure delicately and carefully, but you're not 652 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,280 ready. You're you're you're not ready for us to work with you. You've 653 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,960 got to work on your your craft a little more. Yeah, I'm very 654 00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:54,719 I'm actually very direct about that, are you. Yeah? Yeah, and 655 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,400 and and It doesn't mean that they can't go out and get work. Like 656 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,320 I said, there are lots OF's out there willing to pay something for performers, 657 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:06,039 and some of them will pay fairly. Well, yeah, go out 658 00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:09,559 and hustle it. Get him yourself for the What we focus on is matching 659 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:15,280 what the venues tell us they want with the artists that we have in our 660 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,000 roster. And sometimes that means I may hire somebody like I just during COVID 661 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,039 and my wife was down in Massachusetts still and I was up trying to help 662 00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:30,719 the studio business in Guildford. I started taking lessons from David Hamburger online. 663 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:36,239 David Hamburger is this great fingerstyle blues guitarist out of Austin, Texas. Well. 664 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,199 I've now hired him once. You know, I got him at one 665 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,719 of the saff House Meter concerts where we do the food pairing. Right, 666 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,000 Oh okay, David Hamburger, so you know what the what was the food 667 00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:49,960 pairing? I love it that he plays slide guitarist. We had sliders and 668 00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:54,480 I love Hamburgers. That's fantastic though. That's awesome, it's great, and 669 00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:58,159 he's willing to roll with that. He doesn't feel like you're making fun of 670 00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:01,440 his name. Yeah, that's good. He's a he stayed with us, 671 00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:04,960 he was, he's a great guy. We will get him up here. 672 00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:10,280 Yeah again, Oh that's cool, that's very cool. Yeah. I mean 673 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,280 I only ask because I know, you know, sometimes when you're when you're 674 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,760 in that position, because I used some years ago, like I said, 675 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,880 I did booking agent work and I was a promoter. I would do local 676 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,079 shows and you know, every once in a while i'd hear from somebody and 677 00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:25,920 I'd have to say, you're not You're not ready for this. But but 678 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,039 but you know, I mean, we have a we have a coaching program. 679 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:36,760 So if someone's serious about wanting to improve, we will work with them. 680 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,880 And it's across the all aspects of their performance, style, their business. 681 00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:44,559 You know, what they're doing from a business perspective, what they're doing 682 00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:49,320 from a marketing perspective. We charge for it similarly to you would for a 683 00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:52,239 good guitar lesson. Sure. Sure, And so we'll sit down, we'll 684 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,480 go over there, what their goals are, and we'll give them things to 685 00:54:57,519 --> 00:55:01,519 work on. And if they and you very often those are like one and 686 00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:06,320 done sessions, we'll give him enough work for the next six months that they 687 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,960 don't need one, but some people will will come and you know, for 688 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,880 some period of time, they may come have a session once a month or 689 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:21,159 once a week. Yeah. Yeah, Dan Fallon was one because he really 690 00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:27,400 good performer, didn't understand certain aspects of the business. Okay, the first 691 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,760 session paid for itself ten times over because he learned how to file for his 692 00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:36,800 royalties. Okay, excellent. Yeah. Yeah, so we try to focus 693 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,880 on the whole aspect of the three sixty of being a musician in the do 694 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,800 it yourself world. That's no, that's really cool. Yeah, I had 695 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,760 no idea that you did that, and that's something that is so desperately needed, 696 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,440 you know, because yeah, and actually coincidentally, you know, we 697 00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:57,440 had the band Stepsist in here earlier, was listening to that and we always 698 00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:01,039 end up in these conversations too about the music industry and yeah, knowledge it's 699 00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:04,360 power, you know, And and I know a lot of you know, 700 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,199 a lot of musicians don't want to have to learn some of the things that 701 00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:12,400 you need to learn to survive as a musician. But but it's called the 702 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,079 music business for a reason. And yeah, you know, if you want 703 00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:16,199 to have a long career. You got to know. You gotta know this 704 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:22,760 stuff. And the places where we'll see people fall down sometimes is I mean, 705 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:28,079 is you can be as for example, as self taught guitarist. I 706 00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:30,159 can tell you if you're a self taught guitarist and you go take lessons from 707 00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:35,039 Brad Myrick for a year, you'll be a better guitarist. Yeah, you 708 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,920 just will, because he is one of the best guitarists around and and and 709 00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:42,400 he will teach you stuff, you know, if he can't, if you 710 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,440 haven't figured out how to get out of the first position right, or how 711 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:51,559 to do chord and substitutions or inversions or whatever, you know. And it's 712 00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:57,559 not like going to Berkeley, it's like very It's about developing musicality, it's 713 00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:00,679 about developing knowledge. And so actually we have a number of he has a 714 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:08,199 number of students just around music and guitar, not about so he's doing that 715 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,840 as well. Yeah. I tend to focus a little bit more on live 716 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,119 performance and on some of the business sides of things. Yeah. Yeah, 717 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,840 now that's great. Oh wow, it's late. We gotta we gotta begin 718 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,119 to wrap up. But John, I'm so glad you came in. This 719 00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:27,800 has been a fascinating discussion. Thank you for the time. Absolutely glad to 720 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,559 do it. Where should people know to keep up with everything that n H 721 00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:37,119 Music Collective is doing? Where should they go online? Well? Facebook, 722 00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:39,880 we post every day all the shows that we're doing at every venue, right, 723 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,920 so that's one place you can go. Instagram, we have a website. 724 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:50,119 We're going to improve it this year. Okay, we have a website, 725 00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:52,159 but our our full, full, full calendars on the website, so 726 00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:54,960 you can look at that and see what we've got there. Okay, and 727 00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:59,840 yeah it's and just come see us, come do it, come hang out 728 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,239 with this at a venue. Yeah, yes, that's the best thing. 729 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:06,360 Absolutely, No, Jenny and I loved uh that that run like the show. 730 00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,199 That was a lot of fun. And they're such a great band too, 731 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:13,440 they're so good. Well, come to see Ian Gallipo and Ian Archibald 732 00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:17,119 at p and each stage this uh next the first Sunday of July. Oh 733 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,639 very cool, Yes, okay, yes, So one of my quick discoveries 734 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,760 is that when I came to New Hampshire that it's a bunch of micro climates. 735 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:30,199 Yeah right, yeah, and so both Ian's are from down south and 736 00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:32,719 we're doing the show and conquered, so we want to see everybody come out 737 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,320 and support somebody who's not from Concuer. There you go, there you go, 738 00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:39,239 very good, very good, John, thank you so much. This 739 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,960 has been wonderful. Jenny, do you want to plug your website before we 740 00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:45,800 go? You got it. You got a lot of a lot of stuff 741 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,480 going on, a lot of stuff going on. You can go to Gencoffee 742 00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:52,039 dot com j E N N C O F F E Y dot com to 743 00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:54,920 find out more and find out information on my new substack. Very good. 744 00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:00,400 Yes, and congratulations on that. Thank you, absolutely absolutely all right. 745 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,199 We gotta go. If you miss any part of today's show, it'll be 746 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:07,400 up in just a little bit at wmnhradio dot org and at my website Matt 747 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,719 Connorton dot com. Thank you, uh Sepsis for coming in earlier. And 748 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:15,599 John MacArthur, thank you again, and uh thank you again to Hope the 749 00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:19,400 wrapper for this great track Problems. We'll play a quick snippet of it as 750 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,360 we go, and we'll talk to you a little bit later. Bye. 751 00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,760 Everybody. You don't want problems, you don't want problem. We gonna just 752 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:32,079 stay till the money comes open this album Get into the Bags and another You 753 00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:36,199 don't want problems. We honest