1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,400 It's Tuesday night. You know what that means. It's time for Nisson with 2 00:00:07,519 --> 00:00:13,119 aw Fanha. This is Kelson and this is Alex and yeah, let's get 3 00:00:13,199 --> 00:00:16,519 right into the talk. We have some more folks with us today that will 4 00:00:16,519 --> 00:00:22,960 be introducing shortly, but I want to start things off with talking about Collision. 5 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,679 We did not have a Collision last week, so this week was by 6 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:39,560 default better than the last episode. Yeah, yeah, better rating just mathematically. 7 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,079 So yeah, I think you know, we had talked about a few 8 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,920 things. I think Kelson, you said you're gonna sleep or not watch Brian 9 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:56,880 Danielson versus Junakiyama. I thought this match of the you know, different older 10 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:03,560 Japanese guys that they brought in, Eugenagatta, uh, even Mineral Suzuki, 11 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:10,680 I thought Ju Nakiyama was kind of my favorite of of the Japanese wrestlers that 12 00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:12,719 they brought in, and I thought him and Brian Danielson put on a really 13 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:18,040 great match and it had a really great ending. In my opinion, that 14 00:01:18,239 --> 00:01:23,480 made me a lot more excited for Eddie Kingston versus Brian Danielson than I was 15 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,359 going into Collision. Well, you're saying Akayama was not just a grandpa. 16 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:33,439 He was a great grandpa. Oh God, that was bad that that just 17 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:37,319 didn't sound good. It sounded good when I thought of it, but it 18 00:01:37,359 --> 00:01:40,959 didn't sound good what I said, Well, what's the opposite? He was 19 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:49,680 like a father? He was he was a father moving back in age because 20 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:55,920 ju Nakaiyami, he he moves like a guy that hasn't had a lot of 21 00:01:56,319 --> 00:02:04,200 issues, like like when Minoral Suzuki's moving around or yuj Nagada, like they 22 00:02:04,319 --> 00:02:07,360 seem like old guys. And I thought like Junakayama seemed kind of limberate. 23 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:13,680 He was moving quick, so that was kind of a nice change. Yeah, 24 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,719 okay, yeah, yeah. Anyone else want to chime in on this 25 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,800 match? Sutton, You're here with us tonight and I'm wondering what you thought 26 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,879 about it. I thought it was a good match. I don't know. 27 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,199 I I just he all the guys that come in from Japan, the knew 28 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:36,639 japan guys, whether it be Minor Susuki or any of those guys, it's 29 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,680 such a they do things so different there that they're always gonna look weird to 30 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:45,719 me in the ring. In what you see in American wrestling, it's just 31 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:50,560 they're they're just it's always so different. So I yeah, I liked it. 32 00:02:50,599 --> 00:02:53,800 I have never seen him before Saturday, but I thought he was I 33 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,800 really enjoyed that match. I thought it was a really good match. Mm 34 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:02,800 hmm. Yeah, And what did you think of the batch? I thought 35 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:09,719 it was really good. I like a lot of the Japanese wrestlers Japanese wrestling, 36 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:16,639 so I enjoyed seeing him. Unlike a lot of people, I'm not 37 00:03:16,719 --> 00:03:22,240 a big Danielson fan, but overall, I thought the match was really good. 38 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:27,479 I enjoyed it. Yeah, Like I think, when Danielson's good, 39 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,560 and when he has a good opponent, it's good. But yeah, when 40 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:36,800 when he's with someone that I'm not so interested in, I do find him 41 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:42,439 kind of boring sometimes. Yeah, man, that's fair enough. I mean, 42 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:46,000 if you watch it the you know you're watching it to enjoy the wrestling, 43 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:50,599 and if you're not watching somebody that you're not particularly enjoying, there's no 44 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,479 sense to watching it. And one thing that I loved was the promo that 45 00:03:55,639 --> 00:04:00,599 Danielson did before the match where he was making fun of Eddie Kingston and how 46 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:04,080 he cuts promos like saying, oh blah blah, blah, the boom, 47 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:10,719 mic, the light. Yeah, why what are you even doing here? 48 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,480 Well, let's go to mkay. What were your thoughts on this? Uh, 49 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:21,319 this match, buddy, I honestly don't get a chance to what. 50 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:28,800 I forget it's gone. I wish it was a better time. I usually 51 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,920 don't pay attention to the Japanese wrestler. I don't know much of him, 52 00:04:31,959 --> 00:04:35,839 so I don't pay attention to him. It has to be a done good 53 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,519 match for me to catch up on. I just wasn't interested in that match 54 00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:46,199 at all. Yeah, you know, Alex had alluded to this. I 55 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,079 predicted that I would fall asleep before this match even started. I had no 56 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:57,920 interest in this match whatsoever. Be honest with you, I did uh le 57 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:06,439 mean, I AAW's where Japanese wrestlers come to lose, especially old Japanese wrestlers. 58 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:12,560 But anyway, so I just turned off the TV before this even started, 59 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,720 and I caught it on YouTube, which MK, that's a good thing 60 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:18,439 to do because they do have the highlights at least of the matches. They 61 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:24,279 can catch up on All Collision on YouTube on the All the Wrestling's YouTube, 62 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,720 and you can. They usually post it the same night you know, so, 63 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:38,279 you could actually watch the two hour Collision show every match of worth well 64 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:44,480 that they deem them worthy. It's probably a twenty five minutes you know, 65 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:48,439 so, and you get the gist of things. But anyway, yeah, 66 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:54,040 look, my overall thoughts on Collision. I love the Sammy and Hobbs match. 67 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:59,319 I mean, other than the fact that aw blew their entire budget for 68 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,720 tables in a fifteen minute match. They can't buy any more tables now for 69 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:10,279 the next two quarters of this year. But after that match, it was 70 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,560 no sorry, yeah yeah, that that was my next thing I wanted to 71 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,319 talk about was my favorite match of Collision, and that was by far the 72 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:25,360 Sammy Guvara Powerhouse Hobs match. And I think I counted seven tables that were 73 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:32,319 used in that match. It was insane they all. I thought they used 74 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:39,079 spot. I might have missed a couple though. Yeah, I counted five, 75 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,079 But then I thought there was two that that were broken when I wasn't 76 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:46,720 looking, when I had my head turned, so they used to they used 77 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,079 one twice or two twice. Okay, I can't do this new math. 78 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:56,519 Yeah yeah they broke yeah, yeah, there was four tables used in two 79 00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:00,399 spot to two per spot that was that was a little bit of a board 80 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:03,720 on the on the the tables, I think, just a little bit. 81 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:08,680 Yeah, but sud, did you have any other matches that you thought were 82 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,480 better than the Cobbs and send Me guvar match? No? Really, if 83 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,680 you took every other match out and just left it save me and Hobbs and 84 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,800 then uh Danielson in and you and you would have had a perfectly good card, 85 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:27,879 because uh, I did like Okay, I will say that the Lady 86 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,480 Ice is always they call her. Is that what her name is? Lady 87 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,040 Frost. I did like her match. I guess that was the other match 88 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,319 because that match was pretty decent from her. I like her a lot. 89 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:45,319 I'm kind of over the Tony Storm thing. She's I get it, but 90 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,839 it's just I don't know, I just it's just not working for me. 91 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,720 But I did like thought she was really good at what she was doing. 92 00:07:55,399 --> 00:08:01,839 What about anybody else have any matches that did you guys think that that the 93 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:05,120 Sevin Gavara and Powerhouse Obs match was the best match in the night? If 94 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,920 not? Was there another match he thinks stood out that was a Malachi Black 95 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:18,399 Matt Were you asking how was it, I would say, Yeah, it 96 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,959 didn't do anything for me. And I used to be before Malachi Black stopped 97 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:30,079 wrestling singles matches, he was like my favorite wrestler, and yeah, it's 98 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,840 just not exciting for me seeing him face Brian Heath because you know, Brian 99 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:37,200 Heith's gonna lose. The match was just a little bit boring for me. 100 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:46,720 Yeah, my match, well, Malachi, how do I put this? 101 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:50,960 Brian Keith wasn't very good and neither was Malachi. I don't know whether it 102 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,919 was a lack of chemistry or a lack of athleticism, one of both parts, 103 00:08:56,759 --> 00:09:01,360 you know, coming back from injuries whatnot. It just was it kind 104 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:07,960 of kind of plotted, you know, it was slow and and meticulous match 105 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,519 net Did you think that? I mean, do you agree with that? 106 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:18,360 Yeah? I wasn't that interested in it, and I like Malachi Black a 107 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:24,840 lot, but it just it didn't have any flair to it. It just 108 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:31,759 seemed very boring, almost like a time filler. They didn't have a lot 109 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:39,080 of chemistry. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't enjoy it. Yeah, 110 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:45,279 I'm with you. If I wanted to see Malachi Black wrestler Bran Heath, 111 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,159 I want to see him just beat Brian Heath in like two minutes. I 112 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:54,840 just want to see do his greatest hits. I think Blakeith is more of 113 00:09:54,879 --> 00:10:01,120 an r O each would be better off in r O each because he just 114 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,360 puts me. He just puts me in mind of what someone from rh would 115 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,200 be, you know what I mean. Well, considering that he's never won 116 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,240 an AAW singles match, he definitely is doing better at r OH anyway. 117 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,120 Yeah, so Alex, let's let's move on from collision. What do you 118 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:22,200 want to talk about next? Yeah? The next thing I wanted to talk 119 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,120 about was so we I don't know if it's been officially announced by AEW, 120 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:33,240 but we have confirmation that Forbidden Door three is going to be taking place at 121 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:39,919 Arthur ash Stadium this year. Yes. I think we also at least rumblings 122 00:10:39,919 --> 00:10:46,159 that not only will New Japan be involved, but also CML we've seen there 123 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:54,159 partnering with AW. Yes, so it's interesting. I think there's two there's 124 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,720 two interesting parts about Forbidden Door this year. One part is that probably the 125 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:05,759 two biggest names from New Japan are now members of the AW are about to 126 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:11,759 be members of the AW roster. Okada and will Osprey, So that kind 127 00:11:11,759 --> 00:11:16,559 of takes away two of the biggest matches for the Forbidden Door pay per view. 128 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,039 So yeah, I don't know if anyone else has any predictions for what 129 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,000 a big interesting match. I know, net I think you said you like 130 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:33,080 Japanese wrestling, so I wonder if you have any thoughts. I don't know 131 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:41,600 what they're gonna do. I've been wondering that since AW got Okada, exactly 132 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:46,360 what direction they were going to go in with forbid in Door. I'm I 133 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:52,360 have no idea. I'm I'm excited to see it, but I don't I 134 00:11:52,360 --> 00:12:00,919 don't know, Yeah, I mean, sorry, don't got so yeah, 135 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:07,320 one thing that I noticed with like, so Kada left and there's kind of 136 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,879 rumblings that he didn't leave in the right way because he didn't he won basically 137 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:16,519 a multi man tag match. He didn't end up putting anyone over on his 138 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,159 way out of the door. So I wonder if that is a way to 139 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:24,840 set up him fighting one of the younger guys from New Japan that's like not 140 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:31,000 as established in Okata representing AW now and he's fighting a New Japan guy. 141 00:12:31,159 --> 00:12:37,720 So I thought that's one angle that I can imagine seeing so New Japan has 142 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:43,559 has new additions? Do they not nick name it? Oh? Yeah it 143 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,240 is there? And Jack Perry, Yeah, I think that's a concept. 144 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:56,759 And who they would who? I'm hoping that the MLLL will bring some people 145 00:12:56,799 --> 00:12:58,159 in a note I thought I seen where the King goes hurt, but he's 146 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:07,600 with Pop anyway. The guy who thought that the that's keep a star who 147 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,840 thought mostully I think will be a good match with somebody I don't know who 148 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,279 put them with. But I'm hoping they bring it because I remember the kid 149 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:20,080 loving watching that style. So hopefully they bring a little bit. But I've 150 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:26,360 never really paid attention to Forbidden Door, But if they get more loops of 151 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,679 people in there, I might take a look at it. Yeah, and 152 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,519 yes we won't. Alex and I decided on a previous podcast that, uh, 153 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:43,639 we want to have et Cera's baby. Oh wow. The one thing 154 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:50,279 that about one thing that worries me about Forbidden Door is is New Japan going 155 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:56,960 to survive to Forbidden Door? Because with them having so many issues within their 156 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,600 company now, I don't know, I don't know how that's gonna you know 157 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:05,080 what I mean? They lost to Kata they lost Osprey, there's talk of 158 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,039 I don't even think I've heard talk that Jack Zaber Junior is not going to 159 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,919 be there very often. Then I hear he's gonna be either gonna build it 160 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,080 around. So I think it's all gonna come down to for the forbidden door 161 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:20,639 that they made up. You're right, I don't really know. You know, 162 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:26,919 I don't watch enough of Japanese wrestling outside of what they do in a 163 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:30,720 w Yeah, you know, I can't say, well, you know, 164 00:14:30,799 --> 00:14:33,480 you've got this guy, this guy, and this guy. It's just one 165 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,159 of those things where they're they're you know, you got the chance for like 166 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,639 the original Bullet Club to come over and have problems with Boot Club Gold. 167 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,679 You could have that kind of an angle in there is the Jack Perry one. 168 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,519 Is that true that he is there? Or is this an excursion kind 169 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:52,000 of thing that they're working? You know what, I think it's work because 170 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:58,000 uh, nobody's talking about it right Let me ask. Let me ask a 171 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,519 question to you, Saw, and then I want MK and NET to also 172 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:07,360 tackle this question. Of course, Alex too. I previously said, and 173 00:15:07,399 --> 00:15:11,559 it's the truth. Nobody could argue this that forbidden Doors where Japanese wrestlers come 174 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:18,519 to lose to AW wrestlers. Down't they bringing CMML wrestlers. I kind of 175 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:26,279 would look forward to seeing a match between two CMML guys and two New Japan 176 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:31,120 guys and give a w guys a rest. Let's have a match that we 177 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:37,919 literally don't know who's going to win this thing? Would I think that would 178 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:41,919 be I think that would be a cool idea. But then again, you 179 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,519 Yo and I both know that's not what it's about. You know, that's 180 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:50,080 what would be great to see, But it's about getting and I don't know, 181 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,120 it would be awesome to see something like that. Maybe throw in an 182 00:15:54,159 --> 00:15:58,840 extra like one match between say Okata and some young kid coming from New Japan, 183 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:06,759 or offspring and some kid coming from New Japan or CMMLMML. But I 184 00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:08,039 you know, it would be great to see it that way, but we 185 00:16:08,159 --> 00:16:12,919 just never probably going to get that. I just say CMML CMLL fast that 186 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,840 way. If I mess up, nobody realizes it. Net. I mean, 187 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:21,279 what did you think about that idea? Would you like to see CMLL 188 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:27,039 fight matches against New Japan? I would? I think it's a good idea. 189 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:33,200 It's a good opportunity. I don't think it can hurt. I mean, 190 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,600 you know, it's it's more for everybody. It's it's more wrestling for 191 00:16:38,679 --> 00:16:45,720 everyone. So I think it would be pretty nice. Yeah. Well, 192 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:48,159 you know, here's the problem though. And I can't remember who said it. 193 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:53,039 It was either Sutton or MK, but they said that they're not interested 194 00:16:53,679 --> 00:17:00,159 because they don't really are not really familiar with New Japan. Was a one 195 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,360 if you just said that, or both of you that said that. Oh 196 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:04,119 I didn't I like it all. I mean, for me, anything that 197 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:10,680 happened. I used to be a giant the other company SPAN until they started 198 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,319 screwing that up. And this is kind of to me, it's like what 199 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,680 it was when WCW started. I love AW. I watch everything that has 200 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:22,079 to do with AW. My son watches all the New Japan stuff. He 201 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,359 stays up till late at night to watch the Super Cups and all the stuff 202 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,000 they do. I usually don't have time to watch that stuff. I would. 203 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:33,559 I think the first one I watched was I watched it the second year 204 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:40,559 of AW when it was during the pandemic. I watched the one in the 205 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:45,720 Tokyo Dome that year myself. Yeah, Russell Kingdom. That's the first one 206 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:48,079 I really watched. I knew who you know, everybody knows growing up, 207 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:55,160 you know what New Japan is, but you don't see anybody, right if 208 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,000 I had the opportunity, but I just don't. So okay, So you 209 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:02,279 were the one that said so you're not familiar with Japan, then right? 210 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:10,200 Yes. You know. One thing I've said the aw doesn't do very well 211 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:18,400 is introduce this to people and little just little vignettes of you know, people 212 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,000 before they come out would be great. But you know, I would love 213 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:27,640 to see black tourists versus Okata, just different types of people. I remember 214 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:33,480 growing up and watching Ultimate Dragons versus some of the luca ly bred people and 215 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:38,480 that was fun to watch. Just different styles clashing and turning out how to 216 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:45,839 do matches, and uh, that excites me. I think the main thing 217 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:52,000 for the first Forbidden Doors was just to get them for the rest was known, 218 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:57,319 and it should be great just to have different matches of different people and 219 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:04,039 not always have the same winner. Yeah, and one last thing about Forbidden 220 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:12,119 Door. We do have John Moxley competing for the New Japan title, the 221 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:18,039 heavyweight title at the Chicago show. That they're doing, so there is a 222 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:23,160 small chance that John Moxley actually walks into Forbidden Door three as the new Japan 223 00:19:23,319 --> 00:19:29,119 Champion to kind of set up them taking their title back. So I just 224 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:34,720 thought that's maybe the last interesting angle for Forbidden Door three. Yeah, you 225 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:40,240 know what if I thought that somebody from New Japan could actually win a meaningful 226 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:44,920 match and Forbidden Door and actually probably by Forbid Door. But I have not 227 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:49,680 purchased or some for Britten Door yet, and I do not feel like I've 228 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:56,119 missed anything. I could see great wrestling matches on regular TV from AW. 229 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,240 I don't need to buy a pay per view to see a meaningless but great 230 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:07,039 match. Yeah, fair enough, it's not continuing the AW storylines and developing 231 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:12,680 that we've had a thing in a past where we've talked about Forbidden Door where 232 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,279 we consider some of us do not all by far, not all, but 233 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,319 some of us have said that Forbidden Door is not only were Japanese wrestlers cut 234 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,599 the lose to AW wrestlers, but it's the great momentum killer of AW. 235 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:33,839 Yeah, I think you know, I liked Forbidden Door two more than Forbidden 236 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:40,039 Door one, But I just I like the idea that we have this kind 237 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:45,519 of weird thing where we get these cross promotional matches. I agree that that's 238 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:48,880 kind of kill things, but I enjoy it. I'm happy, and I 239 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,039 hope they keep doing it year to year. I guess it's not for everyone, 240 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,559 but I think it probably brings in some other fans to make up for 241 00:20:56,599 --> 00:21:02,920 the I heard AW fans that aren't following. Right. Well, I think 242 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,119 it's a dream come true. You know, we've grown up. When you 243 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:11,319 had WCWAWW, you wanted to have them go against each other. It never 244 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,640 happened, never was gonna happen. But now you actually have it where someday, 245 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,279 you never know, with things that are going on in any other company, 246 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,680 you know what I mean, there could be a time when that's included 247 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,920 too. Yeah, but sut Sutton, let me break in there, because 248 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:32,279 what you just said was really really true. When WWE and WCW were going 249 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:36,079 it going against each other, you wanted to see them go against each other, 250 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,079 right, you know, literally in the ring. Well, guess what 251 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:45,319 happened. WWE bought WCW and they did go against each other, and WWE 252 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:52,440 absolutely squashed every single thing that WCW had Okay, right, and that's the 253 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:53,839 way I look for bid door. And I'm gonna tell you another thing. 254 00:21:55,759 --> 00:22:00,359 When wc W was purchased by WWE, I immediately started watching w W because 255 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:06,039 I was a w WCW fan. When I saw what WW was doing to 256 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,839 WCW, I stopped watching wrestling for fifteen years. Yeah, I didn't watch 257 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,720 it for Yeah, I didn't watch it either. I Mean. The thing 258 00:22:15,759 --> 00:22:18,119 that's different about that that is now compared to what it would have been done 259 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:26,119 is Tony Caughton is he's so much different than Vince was. Vince was an 260 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,039 asshole. Sorry he was, and he always would have been. And what 261 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,359 he did was because he didn't know that he If you sit back and think 262 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:41,480 about what could have been had they actually gave WCW WWE own show, give 263 00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:44,519 it its own show and let it go, well, it could have been 264 00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:48,720 he could have had They could have conquered everything because you could have still had 265 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:49,920 their brand. He had a brand split, you know what I mean. 266 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,480 But they didn't do that because Vince's problem was you were never I don't care 267 00:22:55,519 --> 00:22:56,759 who it was when he was in charge. If his man ain't win and 268 00:22:56,759 --> 00:23:00,319 it ain't doing it, period in the story, right, because that's why 269 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,759 I'll be bringing that. You wanted to say something, go ahead, Oh 270 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,559 no, I was just saying, Kelson. That happened to me when I 271 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:17,400 watched w CW and it was destroyed. I stopped watching wrestling for a long 272 00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:26,599 time, and when a w came along, I was so hopeful that I 273 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:30,319 would see the wrestling that I had loved, and I've seen it so far, 274 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:36,240 and that's why I'm glad to see a lot of the Japanese wrestlers, 275 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:44,720 a lot of the Lucha doors because it's wrestling and it's it's just great. 276 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:51,880 It's great to see it this way. So yeah, yeah, yeah, 277 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,640 And in defense of the cross promotion stuff like yes, Ocata came to a 278 00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:02,480 w and lost to Brad Danielson, but then later Brian Danielson went to New 279 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:07,920 Japan and lost to Okada. So it is a lot more give and take 280 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:12,680 than yeah, it's given, give or taken take. It's not give and 281 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:17,480 take, you know, but it's you know, you get my wrestler will 282 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,279 go to Japan and lose to your guy. Your wrestler comes to America and 283 00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:25,839 loses to our guy. Yeah, but if they do that for two years 284 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,319 straight. I'm sorry it's boring. Well, we also had Sonata beat Jungle 285 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,920 Boy. You know, the Japanese guys did win matches at the show, 286 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,559 the big ones. Yeah, they're not gonna win the AW title, and 287 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:45,759 and that would be kind of cool if that did happen. Yeah, that's 288 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:48,240 what I want to see. I want to see matches, meaningful matches in 289 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:56,640 doubt, that's all. Yea, you know there's not so Alex. What's 290 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,839 next on the agenda for this evening? Yeah, but before we get into 291 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:07,559 the Dynamite match, the singular match that's been announced, I think, I 292 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:11,240 mean there's two, there's two pretty big things happening on this Dynamite episode. 293 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:18,920 But the biggest thing in my mind is it is Sting's final Dynamite, well 294 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,559 at least his final Dynamite as an active wrestler. I think Tony Kahn's hinted 295 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,000 at thing. You know, he might show up again in the future, 296 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:33,720 not wrestling, but he's still part of the AW family going forward. But 297 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:40,119 yeah, this is going to be Sting's last match or last Dynamite. And 298 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,480 I know we were speculating on Sting the road to Revolution. We've seen him 299 00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:51,920 bring in Rick Flair already. I think we've also heard rumors that Lex Luger 300 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,920 will be appearing at the Revolution event or Lex Luger's talked about it. So 301 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:00,920 yeah, I guess I'm one. I have a couple of names I wrote 302 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,920 down, But uh, Natt, do you I'll put you on the spot. 303 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:11,039 Do you have any ideas of who who else might we see? And 304 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:15,480 I know you're a WCW fan, so you might have some good ones. 305 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:21,720 Oh, I don't know. I you know, I haven't thought about it 306 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:29,279 because I have wanted to be surprised. I almost feel like a little kid 307 00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:37,240 again waiting for Saturday Morning Wrestling, and I have really wanted to be shocked 308 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:42,720 and surprised at who is going to come to Sting's final match, and also 309 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:49,519 which thing are we going to see? I've been wondering that too, So 310 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,480 I don't know. Any's made quite a few friends in the in the wrestling 311 00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:00,799 business, and I don't know who's gonna show up. I hope everyone, 312 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:07,480 honestly, So, Nat, do you have any predictions of what thing we're 313 00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:14,599 gonna see? Is it going to be the old Surfers thing? I was 314 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,960 hoping for the Surfers thing. Honestly, I was hoping that Sting would kind 315 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:26,119 of throw it back to his old fans. A couple of my friends were 316 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:33,319 saying that they think it's gonna be jokers thing, But I'm hoping that he 317 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:41,480 does the real throwback to to the beginnings of I would be of it. 318 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:45,680 Hm, that would be awesome. Yeah, I have a spicy prediction about 319 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,160 that. But let's go to m K. I want to hear what MK's 320 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,440 thoughts are. Who do you think that may show up for Sting's final match 321 00:27:55,039 --> 00:28:00,039 to support him. The problem is a lot of his friends are tub mainstays 322 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:06,559 right now like Booker t I would and and Nasal state he can't go. 323 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,599 Uh. But I would really love for Mick Foley to show up. Those 324 00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:17,599 who have a history the Steiner brothers have a history with him. Uh, 325 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:22,720 just name names like that. I've heard names battered around like Mudha since he 326 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:27,799 was part of his retirement. I could see mooda show, you know. 327 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,720 But as for Sting coming out, we we know he's not gonna do blonde 328 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:37,200 hair or anything for it. But I could see, you know, the 329 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:41,920 black and white surfer Sting doing the woo's and the different maybe colorful tights, 330 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,920 you know, like we seem a little bit in uh in TNA when he 331 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,920 was in there for a little bit. But this is big for me because 332 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:59,119 I grew up as a little stinger. I watched him a surfer Sting ninety 333 00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:00,880 seven and stuff. When he croasting, I had him as a birthday cake. 334 00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:06,960 Uh. I've a little singer for my whole, nearly half my life. 335 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,640 So I enjoy watching him and like another person said, I really will 336 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:17,440 be a kid again watching it. I hope there is some interference in both 337 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,359 with I hope they do. I would really love for the rest, if 338 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,200 not, stay in their seats a little bit and have some fun with the 339 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,680 match and do some stuff. I hope they don't do the classic flare turning 340 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:33,640 on sting angle, but but it seems like after Tulsa they may. I 341 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,759 don't know what they're doing with that either, but I just love stinging, 342 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:41,720 so it's gonna be an event for me. Well, Sultan, what do 343 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,920 you? What are your thoughts on this, buddy? I I kind of 344 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:52,359 agree with christ m m K. Yes, yeah, okay, I kind 345 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:55,119 of agree with him that you're probably not going to get to see the circus 346 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,160 thing unless there is a way that they could do that, and because there 347 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,039 is a Texas Tornado match, they could start him out in the sting current 348 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,160 thing and then through camera tricks or whatever you want to call it, however 349 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,559 they want to do it, they could progress him back if they wanted to. 350 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:14,799 And then you wouldn't play anything past these guys because they want to make 351 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:18,319 this the most memorable thing that could happen. As for the people who come, 352 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:25,240 h I figure you'll see lex. I figure you'll see uh maybe, 353 00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,200 I'm pretty sure you'll see Muda. Even if they don't announce him, he'll 354 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,759 be there. I mean Muda. He was there for Muda, so I'm 355 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:33,960 assuming Muda is going to be there when it comes to the Rick Flair thing. 356 00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:40,000 I don't. We had this discussion the other day, Kelson and I 357 00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:42,000 don't. I don't. I don't. I just don't see them. I 358 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,000 don't see them losing that them titles tomorrow or Sunday. I see them keeping 359 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:51,319 the titles and then him appearing because when you're I know this is going to 360 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:56,680 be his last Dynamite tomorrow night, but it's not his retirement yet, So 361 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,119 you wouldn't want to have like everybody come out and say farewell to him. 362 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:07,839 So I seen him coming out on the following week before Big you know, 363 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,319 the week before Big Business, and having him say his goodbyes and the ring 364 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:15,400 to everybody and then either relinquishing the titles or picking a partner for Darby. 365 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:19,440 That's just how I see it going. All right, Well, we will 366 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:26,319 be talking about our final Revolution predictions on All He Talk tomorrow night at the 367 00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:33,279 podcast. I have a spicy prediction though, for what's going to happen with 368 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:40,880 the guest. Alex has brought up Surfer Sting. I do believe that Surfer 369 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,680 Sting is going to show up at Revolution. But it's not going to be 370 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:55,599 our retiring Sting. It's going to be his younger son. He's gonna he's 371 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,799 gonna come out, and I do believe I would be surprised if either Rick 372 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:08,839 Flair or somebody like that does turn on Sting and Sting song. Surfer Sting 373 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:16,039 comes out and takes care of him and that's it. Just a stork little 374 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,519 tribute to Surfer Sting, and that's the way they could do it. And 375 00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:23,519 it would make sense that his son does look a lot like he did when 376 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:29,119 he was younger, you know, like he did. Yeah, that's what 377 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,839 I never thought about that, you know, go ahead, go ahead that 378 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,039 No, I think that's a really that's a good idea. And well, 379 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:50,119 while we're talking about this, when our glorious EVPs attacked Sting's son, I 380 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,559 said to myself, this sets up that long term storytelling that I know and 381 00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:05,519 love because there can be a point down the road somewhere where sting sons and 382 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:14,759 the EVPs actually have matches and actually have a feud with each other. So 383 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,920 what better time than you know, Stingh's retirement to kind of kick that off 384 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,039 and you're not at the stage for it. Yeah, not the squasher idea, 385 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,440 net. But they did have an our interview with Darby Allen. They'll 386 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:36,359 take this for what it is because it could be a swerve, as most 387 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,640 things in wrestling tend to be. But Darbiella did state the recent interview that 388 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:45,680 Sting's sons have absolutely no interest in professional wrestling. Yeah, I don't believe 389 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:52,079 that. And to add to her idea, you could have one do surface 390 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:57,599 thing and one do Crowsting. That's that's also true, you know, because 391 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,359 they both look liking they both could pose as a so you do with that. 392 00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:02,680 That's a great idea. That's a that's great right there. That would 393 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:09,039 really be It's gonna be big. I could see the Bucks messing with Sting 394 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:16,519 and dressing up as Sting clones as well, and they look so I could 395 00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:22,000 see them dressing up in some sort to mock him and stuff. Uh, 396 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,920 you know, I thought that Sting was going to lose, but when the 397 00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:32,079 Tulsa the promo, he did a Tulsa. I can't definitely say that now 398 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:38,920 because now they've involved the siblings and the kids and stuff. So I really 399 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,119 feel like, I don't know, it's a toss up. I don't know 400 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:47,159 how they're gonna do it. Maybe they have have another tag tag team tournament 401 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,880 and stuff. I don't really want to see the young Bucks with the titles, 402 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,039 right, Yeah. I don't think anybody else does either, And honestly, 403 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,559 I don't think that's the whole I don't think that's the plan, don't. 404 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:06,599 Yeah, I don't think so it's going to be very interesting. I 405 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:08,280 think that the Bucks are gonna win. But anyway, Alex, did you 406 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,559 actually I can't remember did you? Did you? But take this with a 407 00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:17,519 great assault because I suck at making predictions anyway, Alex did you did you 408 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:23,360 make your Yeah, I had two people and they were both mentioned. I 409 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,159 had Great Mooda because of the retirement stuff, like he's already been involved with 410 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,079 his retirement. And I had McK foley as well, because he was involved 411 00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:37,079 with staying not only way back in the day in w c W as Cactus 412 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:40,119 Jack and we've also and they had some matches in TNA, I believe. 413 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,199 And I don't know if McK foley's ever been part of a W at all 414 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,440 in the past, but yeah, I you know, it might be establishing 415 00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:55,480 him as somebody we might see a little bit more so. Yeah, to 416 00:35:55,519 --> 00:36:02,159 the fact that he wants to wrestle a retirement match for sixtieth sixtieth birthday match, 417 00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:06,000 I think is what he said, and he doesn't want it to be 418 00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:09,360 in WW well, I would think way out. Just think if this happened, 419 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:15,760 what if they had to work like a video package with guys like you 420 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:23,039 know, Buff bag Well and Disco Inferno and Kevin Nash, And what about 421 00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:30,880 if they had Triple H or somebody like that from wwe actually make a statement 422 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:37,000 and break down that stupid barrier that frankly, I think that would be the 423 00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:42,360 best thing to do, a classy thing to do, and then aaw can 424 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,760 reciprocate down the line, you know, for WWE and have some of their 425 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:52,880 guys participate in just a simple, you know, video package. I would 426 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,719 not has done that. I think in the past they've let their wrestlers, 427 00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:07,280 particular certain on certain documentaries they have. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they've 428 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,480 They've done it with a lot of them for their their things, and and 429 00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:13,480 that's of this before. That's why I was saying we were talking about the 430 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,519 forbidden or earlier, there's gonna be a day when that happens. It just 431 00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:22,079 is gonna happen. If if Trip staysn't in charge, or if some other 432 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:25,119 fallout comes out of it and somebody else can, it's eventually going to happen 433 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,519 because it makes it just makes too much. Everybody talks about how wrestling is 434 00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:35,119 about the money. That's money. You ain't making more money than that, 435 00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:37,519 you know what I mean. I mean, you listen to you listened to 436 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:43,320 interviews with a w w WE wrestlers, and none of them are saying that 437 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,079 they hate the other company. All. The most thing they say is that 438 00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:52,320 there now that there's more jobs, more wrestlers can eat. Tribalism does not 439 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:59,199 exist among the wrestlers, or it exists among the fans. Now, we're 440 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,800 a WAN, so we're AW specific, but that doesn't mean that we don't 441 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:10,199 have AW fans that watch WWE, and it certainly doesn't mean that we look 442 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:17,639 down upon AWW. What it means is that we are laser focused on AAW 443 00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:23,000 There are plenty of other places that are laser focused on WWE, CMLL, 444 00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:28,960 New Japan, stardom, you name it, there's places for it. We're 445 00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:34,440 just a place for AW where the AW fan of tribalism has no place in 446 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,920 the community. And I think that, you know, we have to kind 447 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,320 of walk a fine line between tribalism and just being AW fans. It's kind 448 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,679 of sometimes hard to discern between the two, you know, but you can 449 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,519 be a fan of wrestling. You don't have to be a fan of one 450 00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:54,440 company. It's just so hardens Like I said, that we are AW fanom 451 00:38:54,519 --> 00:39:01,039 that's what we are. So aw Unfortunately, there are way too many people 452 00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:05,559 that still have that mindset. I mean, you see it every day. 453 00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:07,800 There are a lot of people that just have that mindset where if it's not 454 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,440 WWE, it sucks. If it's not AW it sucks. If it's not 455 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,280 New Japan, it sucks. And you're gonna have that for a long time 456 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,800 because they see that as for they perceived that's the way it is for the 457 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,679 people in the and that comes a lot from what Vince was like, Yes, 458 00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:29,320 it certain that WWE fans hated everybody. If it wasn't WE, it 459 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,559 didn't matter, and that's gonna take a lot longer for it to go. 460 00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:36,519 Wait and then you know what I mean. Well, w CW didn't help 461 00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:38,239 with that either though, because they did a lot of stuff you know, 462 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,519 but do so throwing the belt of the Trash, the WW Belt the Trash 463 00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:49,800 live on TV. WD w CW were given spoilers when they were taping smack 464 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,960 Down w CW. I love WCW, but they did some shady stuff. 465 00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:59,920 But anyway, Alex, I know you're chomping at the bit to get it 466 00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:12,159 to the match preview for Dynamite. Yeah, okay, so we got Eddie 467 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:17,559 Kingston teaming up with FTR versus the Blackpool Combat Club. I love FTR. 468 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:28,039 I don't hate Eddie Kingston like some other co hosts of this podcast and Blackpool 469 00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:30,480 Combat Club, I can kind of take it or leave it. I didn't. 470 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:37,119 I wasn't super thrilled with the FTR, Blackpool Combat Club Last Dynamite, 471 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,800 but I'm intrigued by this match. I think Eddie Kingston and FTR are kind 472 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,360 of a weird pairing. I feel like Eddie Kingston may not be a fan 473 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:53,880 of FTR, so yeah, I'm just I'm mostly intrigued by how they work 474 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,159 together as a team and just kind of what the vibes are, right, 475 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:06,960 Yeah, I guess be weird. Oh and it'll be an hour and a 476 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,400 half. They still got to get fifteen minutes for well Osprey, fifteen minutes 477 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,400 for staying well. You know they're gonna throw like Wardlow against you know, 478 00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:22,039 some local talent. Then they're gonna have Red Velvet probably against I don't know, 479 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:28,559 Queen Amanada again. You know, it's tough on these go home those, 480 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,480 you know, it's essentially Dynamite Collision this week or go home shows, 481 00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:37,880 and it's tough going into a pay per view. But nett uh, what 482 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:43,239 do you think about this match? You excited for this match? For which 483 00:41:43,320 --> 00:42:00,360 one the only one alread Eddie Kingston against the Black Bull Comeback Club that I 484 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:09,280 guess that fell off a chair. We'll go back to that if h let's 485 00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:15,039 okay, you there, Yeah, I'm here. I'm sorry, I love 486 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:23,320 Okay. So what do you think about this match? Well? I am 487 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:30,679 a big Eddie Kingston fan, so I think I'm I'm choking. I'm choking. 488 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:43,440 Wait a second, Okay, I bet I don't. I don't know, 489 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,920 I am. I can take it or leave it, though, I 490 00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:59,679 mean f TR is angry, upset, and I'm I don't know. They're 491 00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:05,639 always yeah, well sometimes they have a little a little kindness and a little 492 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,159 soft spot. They're talking about, you know, fighting like eight year old 493 00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:13,239 girls. You know, they get all stuff. But yeah, you know, 494 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,000 but after Revolver, Eddie Kickson's not known for being you know, like 495 00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:22,320 the most mild mannered personal world and Black Book Compa Club's always pissed off. 496 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:29,079 Yeah, yeah, I don't know though it mm hmm. It doesn't seem 497 00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:35,199 like they're I don't know, like they're really really fired up. To me, 498 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:40,639 it just seems like everybody's kind of mad. Maybe they'll get really mad 499 00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:49,400 at this match and this will be you know, like the powder keg I 500 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,360 don't know. M Yeah, okay, what are you thinking about this match 501 00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:06,719 here? I am I do not like Eddie Kingston really. In my opinion, 502 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,960 f TR has become a catch all. They've had you know this, 503 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,920 Daniel Garcias with them, and then they have a match with uh now, 504 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:21,039 Eddie Kingston. They've had one with Adam Copeland. I just think them become 505 00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:25,679 a catch off for all different people to work with. I'm I don't mind 506 00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:31,880 the Blackpool Combat Club, but I really do feel like they need to work 507 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:38,039 with some different people or add some people or something to make them less less 508 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:42,840 still. But Eddie Kingston, to me, I was disappointed that he won 509 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:49,800 the Continental Classic. I was hoping someone else would win. I'm thinking hopefully 510 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,519 the pay per view that that that that that belt will get taken off of 511 00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:57,920 by Brian Danielson. But I just I'm not interested in that match at all. 512 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,480 I like FTR as a tag team. I was at Tulsa and that 513 00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:08,599 match was I thought was pretty good and the crowd liked it. I didn't 514 00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:15,760 like the ending necessarily, but uh, you know, Eddie kicks up with 515 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:21,760 anybody is a snoozer for me. So well, Elf, I mean, 516 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,920 yeah, all of sudden, What are your thoughts on this match? Uh? 517 00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:30,920 You know what. To me, it just seemed like it it's thrown 518 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,559 together. It doesn't make any sense. I get what they're doing for because 519 00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:38,440 it is to go home showing. It puts the combatants for the two matches 520 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:43,400 together. But honestly, when they first started, when I first thought they 521 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,079 were gonna do it, I thought it was gonna be with with Run. 522 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,519 I thought it would be him an f TR because Eddie really didn't have anything 523 00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:53,159 involved in it. What I mean, he was inside, he was sitting 524 00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:55,519 on the side and he was watching a match, but he didn't get messed 525 00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:00,840 up in it. It was FTR and Ryland or whatever name is. And 526 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,079 that's what I thought it was gonna be. And they said, Adie Kingston, 527 00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:06,679 I'm like, okay, I get it. So you know we're gonna 528 00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:12,920 see We're gonna see Moxley versus FTR, and then uh Claudia versus FTR, 529 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,599 and it's gonna be Daniel Cin and Eddi and they're gonna beat the crap out 530 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,400 of each other for a bit, and it's gonna be one guy does one 531 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,480 move then the next day and it's just gonna be the same thing again. 532 00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:23,360 To me, it really is a waste of time to do that kind of 533 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:28,079 a match, especially, you know, when it's everybody knows what's gonna happen. 534 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:34,079 They're probably gonna have the Blackpool called back Club beat somebody from str and 535 00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:37,239 it just goes on. I I don't know. It's to me, it's 536 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,920 not really gonna make or break the show. It could if they didn't have 537 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,880 it, you know, if they had some other show, if they had 538 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,719 some other matches announced, it might make it more interesting, but as of 539 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,039 right now, that's the only match we got. Yeah, Alex, I 540 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:55,239 mean, what are your thoughts. I'll I have something that I want to 541 00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:02,519 say specifically about this, But yeah, I'm happy to see FTR wrestle at 542 00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:07,559 all. I just love FTR, so put him out there with anyone, 543 00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:12,440 I'm happy. And I just like the weird matchup of Eddie Kingston and FTR. 544 00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:15,280 I don't know if he's actually going to get along with them. I 545 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:21,320 could see him or them, you know, fighting with each other. So 546 00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:24,840 yeah, I think it's it's kind of a nothing match, because yeah, 547 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,960 it is just a match to set up the pay per view, But I 548 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,039 think it'll be fun, more fun than some of the other things that they 549 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:37,280 could throw out there. Yeah, well this is to come a little bit 550 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,639 out of left field, but I promise that there is a point related to 551 00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:49,159 this match. Did you guys see the backstage picture of QT Marshall at Collision 552 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:54,639 from last week? Yeah, the guy looks like he's chiseled out of granite. 553 00:47:54,719 --> 00:48:00,679 Now he has done a completely different change. I can't remember who's training 554 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,360 him, but he is going through extensive training and this same trainer is working 555 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:16,440 with Eddie Kingston. CA Yeah much for a w dark wrestler. Yeah, 556 00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:22,480 so anyway, he is training Eddie Kingston. So hopefully, uh, over 557 00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:30,320 the next several months, Eddie Kingston will get you know, some agility and 558 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:36,199 muscle and wrestling ability and be able to actually go out there and perform. 559 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,599 So but my opinion on this is the same opinion I have, you know, 560 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,840 frankly and every Eddie Kingston match ever, as soon as Eddie Kingston's little 561 00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:53,559 music hits when he comes to the ring, the TV gets a nice channel 562 00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:58,519 change. But I do pay attention to the live chat because because it's kind 563 00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:00,960 of funny saying, oh, a chop, another chop, another chop, 564 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,639 another chop. Imagine that chops from Eddie Kingston, who do and then a 565 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,239 surprise roll up win And then I know, once the count of three has 566 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:15,599 happened, I could turn a TV back onto AW would watch. So there 567 00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:22,239 you go. Question, is it what is it that so many people, 568 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:29,880 some of you all included, have against Eddie Kingston Kelson? I know with 569 00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:34,639 you, but what is it that you all don't like about Eddie Kingston? 570 00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:38,519 Well, I will say what I will go to the others, but I 571 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:45,519 will say my part because it's very simple. I watch AW primarily for the 572 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:53,800 wrestling, and Eddie Kingston can't wrestle period. Yeah, And I like Eddie 573 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:59,639 Kingston like I don't love him. I was happy to see him win the 574 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,800 turn Man. I wanted him to win more than Danielson or Moxley. But 575 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,960 I kind of like Eddie is like an underdog a little bit more. I 576 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,840 don't hate his chops because I feel like, if you're gonna chop, you 577 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:19,719 should hit guys hard, and he does hit guys very hard. Have you 578 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,559 seen the machine gun chops? The machine gun chops not included. I think 579 00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:34,079 that's just yeah, Eddie Kingston is obsessed with nineties Japanese wrestling Junaki Yama like 580 00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:37,920 Masawa Kobashi, so he kind of copies that stuff, and I don't really 581 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:43,719 love that. But I think Eddie Kingston as a wrestlers maybe not my favorite, 582 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,880 but I think he's good, and I think he's a great character, 583 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,960 and I think he cuts great promos. So I like Eddie Kingston. I 584 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,519 don't hate him as much A million times I love I love Eddie Kingston's promos. 585 00:50:54,559 --> 00:51:00,199 But if he wants to wrestle Kiobasa or whatever, go to Japan and 586 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,920 uh yeah and do it. Not an eight of you. It's no place 587 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,960 for it there. You've seen once one Eddie Kingston match. You've literally seen 588 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:14,679 every single match for the last fifty years exactly. Eddie reminds me of your 589 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:22,440 crazy uncle who tries to get into wrestling. Uh. He just picks and 590 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,880 and he's just all over the place. The machine gun chops are cool ones, 591 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,079 but he keeps on doing them, and I just I don't they don't 592 00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:34,800 seem like they hurt. I thought, Uh, you know, he didn't 593 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,880 do the crispin wall type where he just leaves. He's just not interested. 594 00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:43,599 To me, he just you know, your old crazy uncle who thinks he's 595 00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:49,360 a wrestler and wants to fight all the time, and he does do good 596 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,280 good promos. I will give you that, but he's just not my cup 597 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,320 of tea. And like I said before, I would have rather him not 598 00:51:55,400 --> 00:52:00,039 want to count no Classic. I think they're giving him and all a branch 599 00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:04,320 and just want him to do it. But I don't think I don't understand 600 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:12,599 his popularity the fan base. But that's just me, all right. I 601 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,360 think the popularity, I think the popularity that Eddie Kingston comes down to the 602 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:23,079 fact that he does try to emulate eighties and nineties wrestling because he's the link 603 00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:28,679 to the older folks that are wrestling watching wrestling now that aren't being set because 604 00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,519 you don't see that in the other place. You don't see it at all. 605 00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:32,400 You don't see any of that. And like FTR, I see where 606 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,760 they can mesh them because FTR tries to do the same thing, or that's 607 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,400 what they used to be when they first came in. They wanted to be 608 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,400 you know, we're the tag team that does things the way you're supposed to 609 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,519 hold the tag groupe. Yeah, you know, that was what they were. 610 00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,760 They're gone, I can see. I don't mind Eddie. I mean 611 00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:52,440 I kind of figured when it gave the when he put the two titles up, 612 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,239 that he was gonna win him again in the Continental Classic, which kind 613 00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:00,639 of took away from the Continental Classic for me because it was pretty much was 614 00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:04,360 preordained as soon as you got how many matches did they have? Twenty five 615 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,519 matches, but you all know that he's gonna win. So that kind of 616 00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:12,519 was a you know, next year they're gonna have it so that the aw 617 00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:16,880 champ, whoever they aw champ is, is in the tournament. That's that's 618 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,039 what they said they're gonna do. I don't know. I like, I 619 00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:23,360 don't mind Eddie. I like his promos because and that's the other thing he's 620 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,840 kind of like to me, he kind of reminds me of what like, 621 00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:34,639 uh, Dusty Rhodes was he does there his promos don't try to over impress 622 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,280 people. He just he's trying to be that blue collar work guy and trying 623 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,840 to hit the ish, and I think that's what he does. He's a 624 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,639 popular guy. I mean, there's no denying that people love Eddie. They 625 00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:50,119 love him, But you know, I don't know. I wasn't really that 626 00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:53,480 big a fan of FTR when they first started either, but they've kind of 627 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,719 grown on me a little bit. Yeah, you know the thing here, 628 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,239 Look, I say earlier in the show that I suck at predictions, but 629 00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:07,239 I I picked Eddie Kingston to win the tournament, and I also predicted him 630 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,960 to lose his first match in the tournament. I did not. I took 631 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,719 me to my surprise that he lost the second match in the tournament, the 632 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:22,719 Continental Classic. But yeah, I mean it was just written on the wall. 633 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:28,440 And you know, I'm Brian Danielson's blood that that Eddie Kingston was goin 634 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:34,320 that tournament from the very get go. I just I don't know if I 635 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,719 want to spare Bessy Rose myself, that's a long shot, But I was 636 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:45,000 I remember watching in the eighties and I don't remember wrestler's acting like wrestling the 637 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,320 same way that Eddie Kingston did, So I don't know. You know, 638 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,719 Eddie Kingston has a look of an eighties wrestler or the late seventies early early 639 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,079 eighties wrestler. But here's the point. You know, this is one thing 640 00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:02,840 you said that that you know he was like a throwback to the eighties wrestlers. 641 00:55:04,159 --> 00:55:07,079 No, he isn't, because there's eighties wrestlers that are on the aw 642 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:13,559 roster all a lot better. You're right, But there's one thing. But 643 00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:15,800 one thing I gotta say about that, though, is this he is still 644 00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,480 a throwback because think, go back to the eighties, you had a you 645 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,679 were playing a character. He's playing a character. He's not. I mean, 646 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:28,880 he's playing himself, but he's almost a larger than life character street guy. 647 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,159 That's where he's supposed to be. And there were more guys like Eddie 648 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:37,039 in the eighties than there were guys that were superstars like and even like the 649 00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:42,119 superstars like Cogan. Hogan couldn't wrestle to save his ass. He had four 650 00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:47,480 movies. Well so does Kingston, but Kingston's. But the difference is Kingston's 651 00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:52,079 kind of like your jobber who got lucky. He's kind of like a bawler 652 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,280 they gave a title to. I mean exactly, that's that's who we reminded 653 00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,880 me of. It was the Brooklyn Brawler. Yeah, I can see that. 654 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:05,800 Yep, answer your question that. I'm sure you're glad that you asked 655 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,440 it. Yeah, Yeah, I like to know the other side of the 656 00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:15,519 fence. So yeah, I am, I am glad, and I appreciate 657 00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:22,880 everyone's opinions. I think you all are wrong. But heyt List, you 658 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:31,280 didn't calls idiots. No, I that's that was good. I like that. 659 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:36,239 That was funny. I'm a man, damn it. I'm preordained to 660 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,000 be wrong, especially when a woman asked me a question. Oh, it's 661 00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:47,840 like I can't I succumb to the pressure. Well, look, Alex, 662 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,559 let me ask you a question. We got will Osprey coming to make an 663 00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:57,840 appearance tomorrow night. Let's just do a short prediction here. We have a 664 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,440 we have a topic on the a w fat up subber adit right now, 665 00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:07,039 and basically the question is is will Osprey going to turn on the don Cows 666 00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:12,440 family? And it just seems almost use this tarb again preordained that he is, 667 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,960 uh, But then some people are saying that maybe he won't and Taqushta 668 00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:22,119 will turn on the kylis Hemily. Now we know that Takeshta and Ausbury are 669 00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,079 going to have a match at Revolution, but we're not going to talk about 670 00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:29,159 that right now. We're going to talk about tomorrow night. Do you think 671 00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:34,000 that we may see signs of him? Maybe a face turn from will Osprey 672 00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:37,960 tomorrow night. Yeah, I think yeah. Like that's the big question is 673 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:45,320 when he shows up, is he telling the crowd off. I think we 674 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:52,039 saw him on Twitter he said he's coming to Huntsville but with the c Yeah, 675 00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:59,760 so that that implies that don't play hell yeah, that's play yield turn. 676 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,679 Uh yeah. So I think, yeah, we're going to see some 677 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:13,039 heel tendencies from him coming in tomorrow night. But I think I can see 678 00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:17,239 that quickly going the other way and him becoming more of a faith So that's 679 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:22,880 kind of my prediction. Yeah, I mean like that. Would you agree 680 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:30,199 that with the popularity and the anticipation of will Osprey that is good. This 681 00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:32,000 is what a lot of people are saying, you know, in the community, 682 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,920 that having will Osbury come in as a heel would be a missed opportunity 683 00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:45,000 for some excitement. I don't think so. I think he can be exciting 684 00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:52,480 as a heel. I mean, and it keeps you wondering what he's going 685 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,239 to do next. You know, is this going to be the week that 686 00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:01,280 he betrays someone? You know? Is is this the week he's going to 687 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:07,079 show what he's really up to? It? No, I I think he'd 688 00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:12,079 be fine as a heel coming into it. I think he can pull it 689 00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:15,280 off. Okay, so you think he could pull it off, But do 690 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:24,159 you want him to be a heel? I wouldn't mind it, Okay, 691 00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:29,719 I wouldn't mind it. Yeah. I think the one thing to me is 692 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:35,199 that we have a lot of heels, and especially like top of the card 693 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:42,360 heels in a w like this, this triple threat match Samoa Joe Adam Page. 694 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:49,480 If if he's there and swerve, they're basically all heels right them right 695 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:55,960 now. And he just like broke into someone's house and threatened Adam Page's house. 696 00:59:57,159 --> 01:00:01,719 I don't call him less of a heel, but yeah, so there's 697 01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:07,639 really room for will Aspray to be a big time facing aw. That's just 698 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:15,880 kind of how I'm seeing it right Well, you know, go ahead, 699 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:20,159 that go ahead. Oh. I was going to say, Hangman isn't quite 700 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:27,199 a heel yet either, So I don't know. Hangman is still kind of 701 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,000 on the fence, and I think he doesn't. He have an announcement tomorrow. 702 01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:37,320 Yeah, we'll talk about that. We will talk about that. I 703 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,639 wanted to ask Sutton a question because Sutton and I are of the same age, 704 01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:44,519 and he watched a lot of the older wrestlers. And I don't know 705 01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:47,559 if you had the same experience as I do, but back when I started 706 01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:52,960 watching wrestling, you could have eight championship belts in a promotion, and the 707 01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:58,760 heels had pretty much all eight of them. It was a heel dominated world. 708 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,079 And for the longest time in AW you would have with the I think 709 01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:06,880 seven championship belts at AW has. I may be wrong there it was only 710 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,920 like two heels that had belts, so well, I'm of the mind you're 711 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,440 right that was what it was like. I mean, you had Okay, 712 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,920 I can think back to those days when Bruno San Martino was a face. 713 01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:25,360 You know, there's that's pretty much the only one that had a belt forever 714 01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:30,920 that was a face. Back in those days, you had Harley Race probably 715 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:36,440 next to Flair, was probably the second most dirtiest player in the game, 716 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:42,320 and Race held it was everywhere. You know. My problem with AW and 717 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,760 my son and I talk about this all the time, there are way too 718 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:50,480 many heels in AW. You have you have eighty five percent of the roster 719 01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:55,239 or heels, and you can't you can't keep putting on good shows if everybody's 720 01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:00,519 a heel, because if you have so many heels, then you start having 721 01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:02,760 the people really get by. Like the only person I can think of that 722 01:02:04,039 --> 01:02:07,679 actually pulled it off the best was Stone Cold. He was healed, but 723 01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:13,079 everybody treated him his face. He was still over. But when you've got 724 01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:15,480 like at the time you were talking about, you had Jade car Gill, 725 01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:22,679 you had Britt Baker, you had uh trying to think of the back when 726 01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:27,679 those two were champions, who was the tag team champions? But in the 727 01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:32,079 women's division, they kind of did that with those two as heels. They 728 01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:36,199 weren't good at it and it kind of ruined those titles for a little while. 729 01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:39,199 And then you know, if you have so many, that's just like 730 01:02:39,239 --> 01:02:43,679 the whole thing with the tag team titles. I don't see them. You 731 01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:45,679 know, nobody wants to see the Bucks happening because the Bucks don't need them 732 01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:50,960 putting. Like normally, if you're retiring, you want to wrestle somebody that 733 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,639 you that needs put over, to put them you know, get that last 734 01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:58,480 loss, put them over and move on. There's nothing gained in that. 735 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,039 If anybody, anybody that the Bucks wrestle is going to be put over though, 736 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,199 that's what they do. No, no, no, I'm saying that 737 01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,360 you don't have any reasons for Sting to lose to the Bucks, right, 738 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,119 you know what I'm saying, Yeah, you don't they they Sting doesn't need 739 01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:15,920 to lose to put the Bucks over. The Bucks are already over regardless of 740 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,800 how you run them. Now, if he was going up against Starks and 741 01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:22,480 Big Bill, I can see him losing that match because that puts Starks and 742 01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,960 Big Bill over and go from there. But you're I disagree with you because 743 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:32,199 if Stark's a big Bill win that that match, they're nowhere near as good 744 01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:37,320 as the Bucks. And the Bucks could then put anybody that challenges them over, 745 01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:40,639 whereas Starks a Big Bill simply would not be able to do that. 746 01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,280 Yeah. I get that, but yeah, I'm not thinking ahead of that 747 01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:50,519 match. I'm just thinking that last match. But you're right about the number 748 01:03:50,519 --> 01:03:53,320 of the Heels being champions. I mean, Chris Jericho, second guy to 749 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,639 win, was a Heel. He wanted he wanted to. He won the 750 01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:00,920 original aw championship. He was the first. So you had a Heege champ 751 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,639 from the beginning. And then you know Keny Omega is kind of a tweener. 752 01:04:06,639 --> 01:04:10,320 The Bucks, depending on which way they want to go, are tweeners. 753 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,159 I mean it's a lot different now than it was back then, right 754 01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:17,880 because back you were cut, you're either he or face. There wasn't no 755 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,639 in between. Right. Let me let me let me go ahead and get 756 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,199 m K in here so he can get his two cents in. I don't 757 01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:32,159 need lit Osprey to be a John Cena baby pace, but I think you 758 01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:41,159 could prow the line of like MJS did and be a Marmie jerk or whatever 759 01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,960 word that they would use over there in England. But uh, you know, 760 01:04:46,039 --> 01:04:48,920 he's good enough that he would say I'm good enough, you know, 761 01:04:49,199 --> 01:04:51,360 prove it in the ring type of guy. But he doesn't need to be 762 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:57,079 a John Cena baby face. The baby face run for him and kind of 763 01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:01,800 breaking away in like United Kingdom or or whatever it called his group, UH 764 01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:11,880 run with him and break away from uh Pallas would be great. Yeah, 765 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,599 okay, So the last thing on the agenda to talk about tonight, I 766 01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,719 want to I want to try to wrap this up pretty soon. So we're 767 01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:23,760 just going to skip ahead too, and Adam Page is going to make his 768 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:28,840 announcement of his intentions or his status for Revolution, if you guys aren't aware 769 01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:34,719 of it. He hurt his ankle in his last match, was reported that 770 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:40,519 he was fine, and the reason why he hurt his ankle was because some 771 01:05:40,679 --> 01:05:46,320 kind of personal issue may have may preclude him from participating in Revolution. Frankly 772 01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:53,719 speaking, whenever they do this, Alex, it usually means that he's gonna 773 01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:57,440 announce that he's not going to be there. What do you think, uh 774 01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:02,000 Kelson? I think I would be really disappointed if he's not in this match, 775 01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:06,679 because you know, they've been setting up the whole Swerve versus Hangman. 776 01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:14,360 Hangman's like so angry at Swerve for all the horrible things he's done to him 777 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,119 and now he wants to cost him the title. It all, by all 778 01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:23,440 means like that's kind of the whole reason for this world title feud. So 779 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:28,480 if Hangman's not a part of it and it's just Swerve versus Samoa Joe, 780 01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:32,199 that's still like a cool match and maybe Swerve wins, but I don't know, 781 01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,360 just take a lot away from the match. So I'd be pretty disappointed. 782 01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:47,599 I can see sorry that throw me off a second. I can see 783 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:55,679 I can see Hangman taking an injury and then coming back in the match and 784 01:06:56,239 --> 01:06:59,960 Austin for the match because he said he will do it anything in all costs 785 01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:05,519 to make sure. So if he's taking an injury or or whatever, I 786 01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:12,599 could see him do that as well. Yeah, I can. I can 787 01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:19,320 say that. What about you, Nett? Yeah, I think Hangman is 788 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:29,000 going to do something to Swerve. I think Swerve is his target, and 789 01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:33,039 yeah, I think he he may act like he's not going to participate in 790 01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:41,559 that match and just come out of left field and maybe call cost Swerve the 791 01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:46,840 match against Samoa Joe. But I'm I don't know. It's been hard to 792 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:56,320 tell with with Hangman because he seems to be going through something so right, 793 01:07:57,079 --> 01:08:01,400 I don't know, he's he's emotional. Yeah, an AA meeting that night, 794 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,760 and he may not be able to make the show. Oh lord, 795 01:08:10,039 --> 01:08:14,880 it's true anyway, it could be true. SD. What do you got 796 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:19,239 for us, Bud? I don't know. Uh, I'm not really liking 797 01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:24,680 the way they're going with Hangman. I just don't like the character the direction 798 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,600 of his character is going. But I do think that's that's a very big 799 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,600 possibility that he's going to come out tomorrow night. You say, I've heard 800 01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,199 my ankle. I got to do this, and then on Sunday he's going 801 01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:41,680 to show up and screw uh in the match. If he's not in the 802 01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:46,640 match, I swear winning. Yeah. Well, we will talk about our 803 01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:53,600 predictions for the full card, because I'm hoping that they announce more matches tomorrow 804 01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:58,920 night for a Revolution, especially like I really do think that what match is 805 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,319 a possibility actually for something like zero hour would be Brian Gage against Hook for 806 01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,760 the FTW title. So, but we're gonna wrap this up, but before 807 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,960 we go, I did want to take a couple of minutes to make it 808 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:16,119 a little bit of a personal statement. Yesterday we lost a true legend in 809 01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:20,520 the wrestling ring. Ole Anderson passed away at the age of eighty one. 810 01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:29,720 He was for this old guy. He was a mainstay on my TV on 811 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:36,079 Saturdays on TBS when I was watching Georgia Championship Wrestling, a great heel, 812 01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:45,119 a good promo in the years when promos just were everything because they just didn't 813 01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:53,079 wrestle that much back then. And you know what, I love to hate 814 01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:59,039 Ole Anderson. I love to hate Oi and Gen Anderson and Lars Anderson and 815 01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:05,159 arn Anderson. I love to hate the Minnesota Wrecking Crew. I loved Larsen, 816 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:13,239 loved Ollie Anderson, and as a wrestler, there was none better what 817 01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:17,000 he did. You may or may not agree with what he believed in inside 818 01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:25,279 his own home, but in the ring he was a master. Thank you, 819 01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:30,760 Olie. You'll be missed. And that is how we're gonna wrap things 820 01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:36,560 up on Ignition. Thank you guys for coming. We'll see you tomorrow night. 821 01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:44,239 So for this episode, this is Kelson Alex. Good night, everybody, 822 01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,319 good night, good night.