It's Tuesday night. You know what that means. It's time for Nisson with
aw Fanha. This is Kelson and this is Alex and yeah, let's get
right into the talk. We have some more folks with us today that will
be introducing shortly, but I want to start things off with talking about Collision.
We did not have a Collision last week, so this week was by
default better than the last episode. Yeah, yeah, better rating just mathematically.
So yeah, I think you know, we had talked about a few
things. I think Kelson, you said you're gonna sleep or not watch Brian
Danielson versus Junakiyama. I thought this match of the you know, different older
Japanese guys that they brought in, Eugenagatta, uh, even Mineral Suzuki,
I thought Ju Nakiyama was kind of my favorite of of the Japanese wrestlers that
they brought in, and I thought him and Brian Danielson put on a really
great match and it had a really great ending. In my opinion, that
made me a lot more excited for Eddie Kingston versus Brian Danielson than I was
going into Collision. Well, you're saying Akayama was not just a grandpa.
He was a great grandpa. Oh God, that was bad that that just
didn't sound good. It sounded good when I thought of it, but it
didn't sound good what I said, Well, what's the opposite? He was
like a father? He was he was a father moving back in age because
ju Nakaiyami, he he moves like a guy that hasn't had a lot of
issues, like like when Minoral Suzuki's moving around or yuj Nagada, like they
seem like old guys. And I thought like Junakayama seemed kind of limberate.
He was moving quick, so that was kind of a nice change. Yeah,
okay, yeah, yeah. Anyone else want to chime in on this
match? Sutton, You're here with us tonight and I'm wondering what you thought
about it. I thought it was a good match. I don't know.
I I just he all the guys that come in from Japan, the knew
japan guys, whether it be Minor Susuki or any of those guys, it's
such a they do things so different there that they're always gonna look weird to
me in the ring. In what you see in American wrestling, it's just
they're they're just it's always so different. So I yeah, I liked it.
I have never seen him before Saturday, but I thought he was I
really enjoyed that match. I thought it was a really good match. Mm
hmm. Yeah, And what did you think of the batch? I thought
it was really good. I like a lot of the Japanese wrestlers Japanese wrestling,
so I enjoyed seeing him. Unlike a lot of people, I'm not
a big Danielson fan, but overall, I thought the match was really good.
I enjoyed it. Yeah, Like I think, when Danielson's good,
and when he has a good opponent, it's good. But yeah, when
when he's with someone that I'm not so interested in, I do find him
kind of boring sometimes. Yeah, man, that's fair enough. I mean,
if you watch it the you know you're watching it to enjoy the wrestling,
and if you're not watching somebody that you're not particularly enjoying, there's no
sense to watching it. And one thing that I loved was the promo that
Danielson did before the match where he was making fun of Eddie Kingston and how
he cuts promos like saying, oh blah blah, blah, the boom,
mic, the light. Yeah, why what are you even doing here?
Well, let's go to mkay. What were your thoughts on this? Uh,
this match, buddy, I honestly don't get a chance to what.
I forget it's gone. I wish it was a better time. I usually
don't pay attention to the Japanese wrestler. I don't know much of him,
so I don't pay attention to him. It has to be a done good
match for me to catch up on. I just wasn't interested in that match
at all. Yeah, you know, Alex had alluded to this. I
predicted that I would fall asleep before this match even started. I had no
interest in this match whatsoever. Be honest with you, I did uh le
mean, I AAW's where Japanese wrestlers come to lose, especially old Japanese wrestlers.
But anyway, so I just turned off the TV before this even started,
and I caught it on YouTube, which MK, that's a good thing
to do because they do have the highlights at least of the matches. They
can catch up on All Collision on YouTube on the All the Wrestling's YouTube,
and you can. They usually post it the same night you know, so,
you could actually watch the two hour Collision show every match of worth well
that they deem them worthy. It's probably a twenty five minutes you know,
so, and you get the gist of things. But anyway, yeah,
look, my overall thoughts on Collision. I love the Sammy and Hobbs match.
I mean, other than the fact that aw blew their entire budget for
tables in a fifteen minute match. They can't buy any more tables now for
the next two quarters of this year. But after that match, it was
no sorry, yeah yeah, that that was my next thing I wanted to
talk about was my favorite match of Collision, and that was by far the
Sammy Guvara Powerhouse Hobs match. And I think I counted seven tables that were
used in that match. It was insane they all. I thought they used
spot. I might have missed a couple though. Yeah, I counted five,
But then I thought there was two that that were broken when I wasn't
looking, when I had my head turned, so they used to they used
one twice or two twice. Okay, I can't do this new math.
Yeah yeah they broke yeah, yeah, there was four tables used in two
spot to two per spot that was that was a little bit of a board
on the on the the tables, I think, just a little bit.
Yeah, but sud, did you have any other matches that you thought were
better than the Cobbs and send Me guvar match? No? Really, if
you took every other match out and just left it save me and Hobbs and
then uh Danielson in and you and you would have had a perfectly good card,
because uh, I did like Okay, I will say that the Lady
Ice is always they call her. Is that what her name is? Lady
Frost. I did like her match. I guess that was the other match
because that match was pretty decent from her. I like her a lot.
I'm kind of over the Tony Storm thing. She's I get it, but
it's just I don't know, I just it's just not working for me.
But I did like thought she was really good at what she was doing.
What about anybody else have any matches that did you guys think that that the
Sevin Gavara and Powerhouse Obs match was the best match in the night? If
not? Was there another match he thinks stood out that was a Malachi Black
Matt Were you asking how was it, I would say, Yeah, it
didn't do anything for me. And I used to be before Malachi Black stopped
wrestling singles matches, he was like my favorite wrestler, and yeah, it's
just not exciting for me seeing him face Brian Heath because you know, Brian
Heith's gonna lose. The match was just a little bit boring for me.
Yeah, my match, well, Malachi, how do I put this?
Brian Keith wasn't very good and neither was Malachi. I don't know whether it
was a lack of chemistry or a lack of athleticism, one of both parts,
you know, coming back from injuries whatnot. It just was it kind
of kind of plotted, you know, it was slow and and meticulous match
net Did you think that? I mean, do you agree with that?
Yeah? I wasn't that interested in it, and I like Malachi Black a
lot, but it just it didn't have any flair to it. It just
seemed very boring, almost like a time filler. They didn't have a lot
of chemistry. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't enjoy it. Yeah,
I'm with you. If I wanted to see Malachi Black wrestler Bran Heath,
I want to see him just beat Brian Heath in like two minutes. I
just want to see do his greatest hits. I think Blakeith is more of
an r O each would be better off in r O each because he just
puts me. He just puts me in mind of what someone from rh would
be, you know what I mean. Well, considering that he's never won
an AAW singles match, he definitely is doing better at r OH anyway.
Yeah, so Alex, let's let's move on from collision. What do you
want to talk about next? Yeah? The next thing I wanted to talk
about was so we I don't know if it's been officially announced by AEW,
but we have confirmation that Forbidden Door three is going to be taking place at
Arthur ash Stadium this year. Yes. I think we also at least rumblings
that not only will New Japan be involved, but also CML we've seen there
partnering with AW. Yes, so it's interesting. I think there's two there's
two interesting parts about Forbidden Door this year. One part is that probably the
two biggest names from New Japan are now members of the AW are about to
be members of the AW roster. Okada and will Osprey, So that kind
of takes away two of the biggest matches for the Forbidden Door pay per view.
So yeah, I don't know if anyone else has any predictions for what
a big interesting match. I know, net I think you said you like
Japanese wrestling, so I wonder if you have any thoughts. I don't know
what they're gonna do. I've been wondering that since AW got Okada, exactly
what direction they were going to go in with forbid in Door. I'm I
have no idea. I'm I'm excited to see it, but I don't I
don't know, Yeah, I mean, sorry, don't got so yeah,
one thing that I noticed with like, so Kada left and there's kind of
rumblings that he didn't leave in the right way because he didn't he won basically
a multi man tag match. He didn't end up putting anyone over on his
way out of the door. So I wonder if that is a way to
set up him fighting one of the younger guys from New Japan that's like not
as established in Okata representing AW now and he's fighting a New Japan guy.
So I thought that's one angle that I can imagine seeing so New Japan has
has new additions? Do they not nick name it? Oh? Yeah it
is there? And Jack Perry, Yeah, I think that's a concept.
And who they would who? I'm hoping that the MLLL will bring some people
in a note I thought I seen where the King goes hurt, but he's
with Pop anyway. The guy who thought that the that's keep a star who
thought mostully I think will be a good match with somebody I don't know who
put them with. But I'm hoping they bring it because I remember the kid
loving watching that style. So hopefully they bring a little bit. But I've
never really paid attention to Forbidden Door, But if they get more loops of
people in there, I might take a look at it. Yeah, and
yes we won't. Alex and I decided on a previous podcast that, uh,
we want to have et Cera's baby. Oh wow. The one thing
that about one thing that worries me about Forbidden Door is is New Japan going
to survive to Forbidden Door? Because with them having so many issues within their
company now, I don't know, I don't know how that's gonna you know
what I mean? They lost to Kata they lost Osprey, there's talk of
I don't even think I've heard talk that Jack Zaber Junior is not going to
be there very often. Then I hear he's gonna be either gonna build it
around. So I think it's all gonna come down to for the forbidden door
that they made up. You're right, I don't really know. You know,
I don't watch enough of Japanese wrestling outside of what they do in a
w Yeah, you know, I can't say, well, you know,
you've got this guy, this guy, and this guy. It's just one
of those things where they're they're you know, you got the chance for like
the original Bullet Club to come over and have problems with Boot Club Gold.
You could have that kind of an angle in there is the Jack Perry one.
Is that true that he is there? Or is this an excursion kind
of thing that they're working? You know what, I think it's work because
uh, nobody's talking about it right Let me ask. Let me ask a
question to you, Saw, and then I want MK and NET to also
tackle this question. Of course, Alex too. I previously said, and
it's the truth. Nobody could argue this that forbidden Doors where Japanese wrestlers come
to lose to AW wrestlers. Down't they bringing CMML wrestlers. I kind of
would look forward to seeing a match between two CMML guys and two New Japan
guys and give a w guys a rest. Let's have a match that we
literally don't know who's going to win this thing? Would I think that would
be I think that would be a cool idea. But then again, you
Yo and I both know that's not what it's about. You know, that's
what would be great to see, But it's about getting and I don't know,
it would be awesome to see something like that. Maybe throw in an
extra like one match between say Okata and some young kid coming from New Japan,
or offspring and some kid coming from New Japan or CMMLMML. But I
you know, it would be great to see it that way, but we
just never probably going to get that. I just say CMML CMLL fast that
way. If I mess up, nobody realizes it. Net. I mean,
what did you think about that idea? Would you like to see CMLL
fight matches against New Japan? I would? I think it's a good idea.
It's a good opportunity. I don't think it can hurt. I mean,
you know, it's it's more for everybody. It's it's more wrestling for
everyone. So I think it would be pretty nice. Yeah. Well,
you know, here's the problem though. And I can't remember who said it.
It was either Sutton or MK, but they said that they're not interested
because they don't really are not really familiar with New Japan. Was a one
if you just said that, or both of you that said that. Oh
I didn't I like it all. I mean, for me, anything that
happened. I used to be a giant the other company SPAN until they started
screwing that up. And this is kind of to me, it's like what
it was when WCW started. I love AW. I watch everything that has
to do with AW. My son watches all the New Japan stuff. He
stays up till late at night to watch the Super Cups and all the stuff
they do. I usually don't have time to watch that stuff. I would.
I think the first one I watched was I watched it the second year
of AW when it was during the pandemic. I watched the one in the
Tokyo Dome that year myself. Yeah, Russell Kingdom. That's the first one
I really watched. I knew who you know, everybody knows growing up,
you know what New Japan is, but you don't see anybody, right if
I had the opportunity, but I just don't. So okay, So you
were the one that said so you're not familiar with Japan, then right?
Yes. You know. One thing I've said the aw doesn't do very well
is introduce this to people and little just little vignettes of you know, people
before they come out would be great. But you know, I would love
to see black tourists versus Okata, just different types of people. I remember
growing up and watching Ultimate Dragons versus some of the luca ly bred people and
that was fun to watch. Just different styles clashing and turning out how to
do matches, and uh, that excites me. I think the main thing
for the first Forbidden Doors was just to get them for the rest was known,
and it should be great just to have different matches of different people and
not always have the same winner. Yeah, and one last thing about Forbidden
Door. We do have John Moxley competing for the New Japan title, the
heavyweight title at the Chicago show. That they're doing, so there is a
small chance that John Moxley actually walks into Forbidden Door three as the new Japan
Champion to kind of set up them taking their title back. So I just
thought that's maybe the last interesting angle for Forbidden Door three. Yeah, you
know what if I thought that somebody from New Japan could actually win a meaningful
match and Forbidden Door and actually probably by Forbid Door. But I have not
purchased or some for Britten Door yet, and I do not feel like I've
missed anything. I could see great wrestling matches on regular TV from AW.
I don't need to buy a pay per view to see a meaningless but great
match. Yeah, fair enough, it's not continuing the AW storylines and developing
that we've had a thing in a past where we've talked about Forbidden Door where
we consider some of us do not all by far, not all, but
some of us have said that Forbidden Door is not only were Japanese wrestlers cut
the lose to AW wrestlers, but it's the great momentum killer of AW.
Yeah, I think you know, I liked Forbidden Door two more than Forbidden
Door one, But I just I like the idea that we have this kind
of weird thing where we get these cross promotional matches. I agree that that's
kind of kill things, but I enjoy it. I'm happy, and I
hope they keep doing it year to year. I guess it's not for everyone,
but I think it probably brings in some other fans to make up for
the I heard AW fans that aren't following. Right. Well, I think
it's a dream come true. You know, we've grown up. When you
had WCWAWW, you wanted to have them go against each other. It never
happened, never was gonna happen. But now you actually have it where someday,
you never know, with things that are going on in any other company,
you know what I mean, there could be a time when that's included
too. Yeah, but sut Sutton, let me break in there, because
what you just said was really really true. When WWE and WCW were going
it going against each other, you wanted to see them go against each other,
right, you know, literally in the ring. Well, guess what
happened. WWE bought WCW and they did go against each other, and WWE
absolutely squashed every single thing that WCW had Okay, right, and that's the
way I look for bid door. And I'm gonna tell you another thing.
When wc W was purchased by WWE, I immediately started watching w W because
I was a w WCW fan. When I saw what WW was doing to
WCW, I stopped watching wrestling for fifteen years. Yeah, I didn't watch
it for Yeah, I didn't watch it either. I Mean. The thing
that's different about that that is now compared to what it would have been done
is Tony Caughton is he's so much different than Vince was. Vince was an
asshole. Sorry he was, and he always would have been. And what
he did was because he didn't know that he If you sit back and think
about what could have been had they actually gave WCW WWE own show, give
it its own show and let it go, well, it could have been
he could have had They could have conquered everything because you could have still had
their brand. He had a brand split, you know what I mean.
But they didn't do that because Vince's problem was you were never I don't care
who it was when he was in charge. If his man ain't win and
it ain't doing it, period in the story, right, because that's why
I'll be bringing that. You wanted to say something, go ahead, Oh
no, I was just saying, Kelson. That happened to me when I
watched w CW and it was destroyed. I stopped watching wrestling for a long
time, and when a w came along, I was so hopeful that I
would see the wrestling that I had loved, and I've seen it so far,
and that's why I'm glad to see a lot of the Japanese wrestlers,
a lot of the Lucha doors because it's wrestling and it's it's just great.
It's great to see it this way. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
And in defense of the cross promotion stuff like yes, Ocata came to a
w and lost to Brad Danielson, but then later Brian Danielson went to New
Japan and lost to Okada. So it is a lot more give and take
than yeah, it's given, give or taken take. It's not give and
take, you know, but it's you know, you get my wrestler will
go to Japan and lose to your guy. Your wrestler comes to America and
loses to our guy. Yeah, but if they do that for two years
straight. I'm sorry it's boring. Well, we also had Sonata beat Jungle
Boy. You know, the Japanese guys did win matches at the show,
the big ones. Yeah, they're not gonna win the AW title, and
and that would be kind of cool if that did happen. Yeah, that's
what I want to see. I want to see matches, meaningful matches in
doubt, that's all. Yea, you know there's not so Alex. What's
next on the agenda for this evening? Yeah, but before we get into
the Dynamite match, the singular match that's been announced, I think, I
mean there's two, there's two pretty big things happening on this Dynamite episode.
But the biggest thing in my mind is it is Sting's final Dynamite, well
at least his final Dynamite as an active wrestler. I think Tony Kahn's hinted
at thing. You know, he might show up again in the future,
not wrestling, but he's still part of the AW family going forward. But
yeah, this is going to be Sting's last match or last Dynamite. And
I know we were speculating on Sting the road to Revolution. We've seen him
bring in Rick Flair already. I think we've also heard rumors that Lex Luger
will be appearing at the Revolution event or Lex Luger's talked about it. So
yeah, I guess I'm one. I have a couple of names I wrote
down, But uh, Natt, do you I'll put you on the spot.
Do you have any ideas of who who else might we see? And
I know you're a WCW fan, so you might have some good ones.
Oh, I don't know. I you know, I haven't thought about it
because I have wanted to be surprised. I almost feel like a little kid
again waiting for Saturday Morning Wrestling, and I have really wanted to be shocked
and surprised at who is going to come to Sting's final match, and also
which thing are we going to see? I've been wondering that too, So
I don't know. Any's made quite a few friends in the in the wrestling
business, and I don't know who's gonna show up. I hope everyone,
honestly, So, Nat, do you have any predictions of what thing we're
gonna see? Is it going to be the old Surfers thing? I was
hoping for the Surfers thing. Honestly, I was hoping that Sting would kind
of throw it back to his old fans. A couple of my friends were
saying that they think it's gonna be jokers thing, But I'm hoping that he
does the real throwback to to the beginnings of I would be of it.
Hm, that would be awesome. Yeah, I have a spicy prediction about
that. But let's go to m K. I want to hear what MK's
thoughts are. Who do you think that may show up for Sting's final match
to support him. The problem is a lot of his friends are tub mainstays
right now like Booker t I would and and Nasal state he can't go.
Uh. But I would really love for Mick Foley to show up. Those
who have a history the Steiner brothers have a history with him. Uh,
just name names like that. I've heard names battered around like Mudha since he
was part of his retirement. I could see mooda show, you know.
But as for Sting coming out, we we know he's not gonna do blonde
hair or anything for it. But I could see, you know, the
black and white surfer Sting doing the woo's and the different maybe colorful tights,
you know, like we seem a little bit in uh in TNA when he
was in there for a little bit. But this is big for me because
I grew up as a little stinger. I watched him a surfer Sting ninety
seven and stuff. When he croasting, I had him as a birthday cake.
Uh. I've a little singer for my whole, nearly half my life.
So I enjoy watching him and like another person said, I really will
be a kid again watching it. I hope there is some interference in both
with I hope they do. I would really love for the rest, if
not, stay in their seats a little bit and have some fun with the
match and do some stuff. I hope they don't do the classic flare turning
on sting angle, but but it seems like after Tulsa they may. I
don't know what they're doing with that either, but I just love stinging,
so it's gonna be an event for me. Well, Sultan, what do
you? What are your thoughts on this, buddy? I I kind of
agree with christ m m K. Yes, yeah, okay, I kind
of agree with him that you're probably not going to get to see the circus
thing unless there is a way that they could do that, and because there
is a Texas Tornado match, they could start him out in the sting current
thing and then through camera tricks or whatever you want to call it, however
they want to do it, they could progress him back if they wanted to.
And then you wouldn't play anything past these guys because they want to make
this the most memorable thing that could happen. As for the people who come,
h I figure you'll see lex. I figure you'll see uh maybe,
I'm pretty sure you'll see Muda. Even if they don't announce him, he'll
be there. I mean Muda. He was there for Muda, so I'm
assuming Muda is going to be there when it comes to the Rick Flair thing.
I don't. We had this discussion the other day, Kelson and I
don't. I don't. I don't. I just don't see them. I
don't see them losing that them titles tomorrow or Sunday. I see them keeping
the titles and then him appearing because when you're I know this is going to
be his last Dynamite tomorrow night, but it's not his retirement yet, So
you wouldn't want to have like everybody come out and say farewell to him.
So I seen him coming out on the following week before Big you know,
the week before Big Business, and having him say his goodbyes and the ring
to everybody and then either relinquishing the titles or picking a partner for Darby.
That's just how I see it going. All right, Well, we will
be talking about our final Revolution predictions on All He Talk tomorrow night at the
podcast. I have a spicy prediction though, for what's going to happen with
the guest. Alex has brought up Surfer Sting. I do believe that Surfer
Sting is going to show up at Revolution. But it's not going to be
our retiring Sting. It's going to be his younger son. He's gonna he's
gonna come out, and I do believe I would be surprised if either Rick
Flair or somebody like that does turn on Sting and Sting song. Surfer Sting
comes out and takes care of him and that's it. Just a stork little
tribute to Surfer Sting, and that's the way they could do it. And
it would make sense that his son does look a lot like he did when
he was younger, you know, like he did. Yeah, that's what
I never thought about that, you know, go ahead, go ahead that
No, I think that's a really that's a good idea. And well,
while we're talking about this, when our glorious EVPs attacked Sting's son, I
said to myself, this sets up that long term storytelling that I know and
love because there can be a point down the road somewhere where sting sons and
the EVPs actually have matches and actually have a feud with each other. So
what better time than you know, Stingh's retirement to kind of kick that off
and you're not at the stage for it. Yeah, not the squasher idea,
net. But they did have an our interview with Darby Allen. They'll
take this for what it is because it could be a swerve, as most
things in wrestling tend to be. But Darbiella did state the recent interview that
Sting's sons have absolutely no interest in professional wrestling. Yeah, I don't believe
that. And to add to her idea, you could have one do surface
thing and one do Crowsting. That's that's also true, you know, because
they both look liking they both could pose as a so you do with that.
That's a great idea. That's a that's great right there. That would
really be It's gonna be big. I could see the Bucks messing with Sting
and dressing up as Sting clones as well, and they look so I could
see them dressing up in some sort to mock him and stuff. Uh,
you know, I thought that Sting was going to lose, but when the
Tulsa the promo, he did a Tulsa. I can't definitely say that now
because now they've involved the siblings and the kids and stuff. So I really
feel like, I don't know, it's a toss up. I don't know
how they're gonna do it. Maybe they have have another tag tag team tournament
and stuff. I don't really want to see the young Bucks with the titles,
right, Yeah. I don't think anybody else does either, And honestly,
I don't think that's the whole I don't think that's the plan, don't.
Yeah, I don't think so it's going to be very interesting. I
think that the Bucks are gonna win. But anyway, Alex, did you
actually I can't remember did you? Did you? But take this with a
great assault because I suck at making predictions anyway, Alex did you did you
make your Yeah, I had two people and they were both mentioned. I
had Great Mooda because of the retirement stuff, like he's already been involved with
his retirement. And I had McK foley as well, because he was involved
with staying not only way back in the day in w c W as Cactus
Jack and we've also and they had some matches in TNA, I believe.
And I don't know if McK foley's ever been part of a W at all
in the past, but yeah, I you know, it might be establishing
him as somebody we might see a little bit more so. Yeah, to
the fact that he wants to wrestle a retirement match for sixtieth sixtieth birthday match,
I think is what he said, and he doesn't want it to be
in WW well, I would think way out. Just think if this happened,
what if they had to work like a video package with guys like you
know, Buff bag Well and Disco Inferno and Kevin Nash, And what about
if they had Triple H or somebody like that from wwe actually make a statement
and break down that stupid barrier that frankly, I think that would be the
best thing to do, a classy thing to do, and then aaw can
reciprocate down the line, you know, for WWE and have some of their
guys participate in just a simple, you know, video package. I would
not has done that. I think in the past they've let their wrestlers,
particular certain on certain documentaries they have. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they've
They've done it with a lot of them for their their things, and and
that's of this before. That's why I was saying we were talking about the
forbidden or earlier, there's gonna be a day when that happens. It just
is gonna happen. If if Trip staysn't in charge, or if some other
fallout comes out of it and somebody else can, it's eventually going to happen
because it makes it just makes too much. Everybody talks about how wrestling is
about the money. That's money. You ain't making more money than that,
you know what I mean. I mean, you listen to you listened to
interviews with a w w WE wrestlers, and none of them are saying that
they hate the other company. All. The most thing they say is that
there now that there's more jobs, more wrestlers can eat. Tribalism does not
exist among the wrestlers, or it exists among the fans. Now, we're
a WAN, so we're AW specific, but that doesn't mean that we don't
have AW fans that watch WWE, and it certainly doesn't mean that we look
down upon AWW. What it means is that we are laser focused on AAW
There are plenty of other places that are laser focused on WWE, CMLL,
New Japan, stardom, you name it, there's places for it. We're
just a place for AW where the AW fan of tribalism has no place in
the community. And I think that, you know, we have to kind
of walk a fine line between tribalism and just being AW fans. It's kind
of sometimes hard to discern between the two, you know, but you can
be a fan of wrestling. You don't have to be a fan of one
company. It's just so hardens Like I said, that we are AW fanom
that's what we are. So aw Unfortunately, there are way too many people
that still have that mindset. I mean, you see it every day.
There are a lot of people that just have that mindset where if it's not
WWE, it sucks. If it's not AW it sucks. If it's not
New Japan, it sucks. And you're gonna have that for a long time
because they see that as for they perceived that's the way it is for the
people in the and that comes a lot from what Vince was like, Yes,
it certain that WWE fans hated everybody. If it wasn't WE, it
didn't matter, and that's gonna take a lot longer for it to go.
Wait and then you know what I mean. Well, w CW didn't help
with that either though, because they did a lot of stuff you know,
but do so throwing the belt of the Trash, the WW Belt the Trash
live on TV. WD w CW were given spoilers when they were taping smack
Down w CW. I love WCW, but they did some shady stuff.
But anyway, Alex, I know you're chomping at the bit to get it
to the match preview for Dynamite. Yeah, okay, so we got Eddie
Kingston teaming up with FTR versus the Blackpool Combat Club. I love FTR.
I don't hate Eddie Kingston like some other co hosts of this podcast and Blackpool
Combat Club, I can kind of take it or leave it. I didn't.
I wasn't super thrilled with the FTR, Blackpool Combat Club Last Dynamite,
but I'm intrigued by this match. I think Eddie Kingston and FTR are kind
of a weird pairing. I feel like Eddie Kingston may not be a fan
of FTR, so yeah, I'm just I'm mostly intrigued by how they work
together as a team and just kind of what the vibes are, right,
Yeah, I guess be weird. Oh and it'll be an hour and a
half. They still got to get fifteen minutes for well Osprey, fifteen minutes
for staying well. You know they're gonna throw like Wardlow against you know,
some local talent. Then they're gonna have Red Velvet probably against I don't know,
Queen Amanada again. You know, it's tough on these go home those,
you know, it's essentially Dynamite Collision this week or go home shows,
and it's tough going into a pay per view. But nett uh, what
do you think about this match? You excited for this match? For which
one the only one alread Eddie Kingston against the Black Bull Comeback Club that I
guess that fell off a chair. We'll go back to that if h let's
okay, you there, Yeah, I'm here. I'm sorry, I love
Okay. So what do you think about this match? Well? I am
a big Eddie Kingston fan, so I think I'm I'm choking. I'm choking.
Wait a second, Okay, I bet I don't. I don't know,
I am. I can take it or leave it, though, I
mean f TR is angry, upset, and I'm I don't know. They're
always yeah, well sometimes they have a little a little kindness and a little
soft spot. They're talking about, you know, fighting like eight year old
girls. You know, they get all stuff. But yeah, you know,
but after Revolver, Eddie Kickson's not known for being you know, like
the most mild mannered personal world and Black Book Compa Club's always pissed off.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know though it mm hmm. It doesn't seem
like they're I don't know, like they're really really fired up. To me,
it just seems like everybody's kind of mad. Maybe they'll get really mad
at this match and this will be you know, like the powder keg I
don't know. M Yeah, okay, what are you thinking about this match
here? I am I do not like Eddie Kingston really. In my opinion,
f TR has become a catch all. They've had you know this,
Daniel Garcias with them, and then they have a match with uh now,
Eddie Kingston. They've had one with Adam Copeland. I just think them become
a catch off for all different people to work with. I'm I don't mind
the Blackpool Combat Club, but I really do feel like they need to work
with some different people or add some people or something to make them less less
still. But Eddie Kingston, to me, I was disappointed that he won
the Continental Classic. I was hoping someone else would win. I'm thinking hopefully
the pay per view that that that that that belt will get taken off of
by Brian Danielson. But I just I'm not interested in that match at all.
I like FTR as a tag team. I was at Tulsa and that
match was I thought was pretty good and the crowd liked it. I didn't
like the ending necessarily, but uh, you know, Eddie kicks up with
anybody is a snoozer for me. So well, Elf, I mean,
yeah, all of sudden, What are your thoughts on this match? Uh?
You know what. To me, it just seemed like it it's thrown
together. It doesn't make any sense. I get what they're doing for because
it is to go home showing. It puts the combatants for the two matches
together. But honestly, when they first started, when I first thought they
were gonna do it, I thought it was gonna be with with Run.
I thought it would be him an f TR because Eddie really didn't have anything
involved in it. What I mean, he was inside, he was sitting
on the side and he was watching a match, but he didn't get messed
up in it. It was FTR and Ryland or whatever name is. And
that's what I thought it was gonna be. And they said, Adie Kingston,
I'm like, okay, I get it. So you know we're gonna
see We're gonna see Moxley versus FTR, and then uh Claudia versus FTR,
and it's gonna be Daniel Cin and Eddi and they're gonna beat the crap out
of each other for a bit, and it's gonna be one guy does one
move then the next day and it's just gonna be the same thing again.
To me, it really is a waste of time to do that kind of
a match, especially, you know, when it's everybody knows what's gonna happen.
They're probably gonna have the Blackpool called back Club beat somebody from str and
it just goes on. I I don't know. It's to me, it's
not really gonna make or break the show. It could if they didn't have
it, you know, if they had some other show, if they had
some other matches announced, it might make it more interesting, but as of
right now, that's the only match we got. Yeah, Alex, I
mean, what are your thoughts. I'll I have something that I want to
say specifically about this, But yeah, I'm happy to see FTR wrestle at
all. I just love FTR, so put him out there with anyone,
I'm happy. And I just like the weird matchup of Eddie Kingston and FTR.
I don't know if he's actually going to get along with them. I
could see him or them, you know, fighting with each other. So
yeah, I think it's it's kind of a nothing match, because yeah,
it is just a match to set up the pay per view, But I
think it'll be fun, more fun than some of the other things that they
could throw out there. Yeah, well this is to come a little bit
out of left field, but I promise that there is a point related to
this match. Did you guys see the backstage picture of QT Marshall at Collision
from last week? Yeah, the guy looks like he's chiseled out of granite.
Now he has done a completely different change. I can't remember who's training
him, but he is going through extensive training and this same trainer is working
with Eddie Kingston. CA Yeah much for a w dark wrestler. Yeah,
so anyway, he is training Eddie Kingston. So hopefully, uh, over
the next several months, Eddie Kingston will get you know, some agility and
muscle and wrestling ability and be able to actually go out there and perform.
So but my opinion on this is the same opinion I have, you know,
frankly and every Eddie Kingston match ever, as soon as Eddie Kingston's little
music hits when he comes to the ring, the TV gets a nice channel
change. But I do pay attention to the live chat because because it's kind
of funny saying, oh, a chop, another chop, another chop,
another chop. Imagine that chops from Eddie Kingston, who do and then a
surprise roll up win And then I know, once the count of three has
happened, I could turn a TV back onto AW would watch. So there
you go. Question, is it what is it that so many people,
some of you all included, have against Eddie Kingston Kelson? I know with
you, but what is it that you all don't like about Eddie Kingston?
Well, I will say what I will go to the others, but I
will say my part because it's very simple. I watch AW primarily for the
wrestling, and Eddie Kingston can't wrestle period. Yeah, And I like Eddie
Kingston like I don't love him. I was happy to see him win the
turn Man. I wanted him to win more than Danielson or Moxley. But
I kind of like Eddie is like an underdog a little bit more. I
don't hate his chops because I feel like, if you're gonna chop, you
should hit guys hard, and he does hit guys very hard. Have you
seen the machine gun chops? The machine gun chops not included. I think
that's just yeah, Eddie Kingston is obsessed with nineties Japanese wrestling Junaki Yama like
Masawa Kobashi, so he kind of copies that stuff, and I don't really
love that. But I think Eddie Kingston as a wrestlers maybe not my favorite,
but I think he's good, and I think he's a great character,
and I think he cuts great promos. So I like Eddie Kingston. I
don't hate him as much A million times I love I love Eddie Kingston's promos.
But if he wants to wrestle Kiobasa or whatever, go to Japan and
uh yeah and do it. Not an eight of you. It's no place
for it there. You've seen once one Eddie Kingston match. You've literally seen
every single match for the last fifty years exactly. Eddie reminds me of your
crazy uncle who tries to get into wrestling. Uh. He just picks and
and he's just all over the place. The machine gun chops are cool ones,
but he keeps on doing them, and I just I don't they don't
seem like they hurt. I thought, Uh, you know, he didn't
do the crispin wall type where he just leaves. He's just not interested.
To me, he just you know, your old crazy uncle who thinks he's
a wrestler and wants to fight all the time, and he does do good
good promos. I will give you that, but he's just not my cup
of tea. And like I said before, I would have rather him not
want to count no Classic. I think they're giving him and all a branch
and just want him to do it. But I don't think I don't understand
his popularity the fan base. But that's just me, all right. I
think the popularity, I think the popularity that Eddie Kingston comes down to the
fact that he does try to emulate eighties and nineties wrestling because he's the link
to the older folks that are wrestling watching wrestling now that aren't being set because
you don't see that in the other place. You don't see it at all.
You don't see any of that. And like FTR, I see where
they can mesh them because FTR tries to do the same thing, or that's
what they used to be when they first came in. They wanted to be
you know, we're the tag team that does things the way you're supposed to
hold the tag groupe. Yeah, you know, that was what they were.
They're gone, I can see. I don't mind Eddie. I mean
I kind of figured when it gave the when he put the two titles up,
that he was gonna win him again in the Continental Classic, which kind
of took away from the Continental Classic for me because it was pretty much was
preordained as soon as you got how many matches did they have? Twenty five
matches, but you all know that he's gonna win. So that kind of
was a you know, next year they're gonna have it so that the aw
champ, whoever they aw champ is, is in the tournament. That's that's
what they said they're gonna do. I don't know. I like, I
don't mind Eddie. I like his promos because and that's the other thing he's
kind of like to me, he kind of reminds me of what like,
uh, Dusty Rhodes was he does there his promos don't try to over impress
people. He just he's trying to be that blue collar work guy and trying
to hit the ish, and I think that's what he does. He's a
popular guy. I mean, there's no denying that people love Eddie. They
love him, But you know, I don't know. I wasn't really that
big a fan of FTR when they first started either, but they've kind of
grown on me a little bit. Yeah, you know the thing here,
Look, I say earlier in the show that I suck at predictions, but
I I picked Eddie Kingston to win the tournament, and I also predicted him
to lose his first match in the tournament. I did not. I took
me to my surprise that he lost the second match in the tournament, the
Continental Classic. But yeah, I mean it was just written on the wall.
And you know, I'm Brian Danielson's blood that that Eddie Kingston was goin
that tournament from the very get go. I just I don't know if I
want to spare Bessy Rose myself, that's a long shot, But I was
I remember watching in the eighties and I don't remember wrestler's acting like wrestling the
same way that Eddie Kingston did, So I don't know. You know,
Eddie Kingston has a look of an eighties wrestler or the late seventies early early
eighties wrestler. But here's the point. You know, this is one thing
you said that that you know he was like a throwback to the eighties wrestlers.
No, he isn't, because there's eighties wrestlers that are on the aw
roster all a lot better. You're right, But there's one thing. But
one thing I gotta say about that, though, is this he is still
a throwback because think, go back to the eighties, you had a you
were playing a character. He's playing a character. He's not. I mean,
he's playing himself, but he's almost a larger than life character street guy.
That's where he's supposed to be. And there were more guys like Eddie
in the eighties than there were guys that were superstars like and even like the
superstars like Cogan. Hogan couldn't wrestle to save his ass. He had four
movies. Well so does Kingston, but Kingston's. But the difference is Kingston's
kind of like your jobber who got lucky. He's kind of like a bawler
they gave a title to. I mean exactly, that's that's who we reminded
me of. It was the Brooklyn Brawler. Yeah, I can see that.
Yep, answer your question that. I'm sure you're glad that you asked
it. Yeah, Yeah, I like to know the other side of the
fence. So yeah, I am, I am glad, and I appreciate
everyone's opinions. I think you all are wrong. But heyt List, you
didn't calls idiots. No, I that's that was good. I like that.
That was funny. I'm a man, damn it. I'm preordained to
be wrong, especially when a woman asked me a question. Oh, it's
like I can't I succumb to the pressure. Well, look, Alex,
let me ask you a question. We got will Osprey coming to make an
appearance tomorrow night. Let's just do a short prediction here. We have a
we have a topic on the a w fat up subber adit right now,
and basically the question is is will Osprey going to turn on the don Cows
family? And it just seems almost use this tarb again preordained that he is,
uh, But then some people are saying that maybe he won't and Taqushta
will turn on the kylis Hemily. Now we know that Takeshta and Ausbury are
going to have a match at Revolution, but we're not going to talk about
that right now. We're going to talk about tomorrow night. Do you think
that we may see signs of him? Maybe a face turn from will Osprey
tomorrow night. Yeah, I think yeah. Like that's the big question is
when he shows up, is he telling the crowd off. I think we
saw him on Twitter he said he's coming to Huntsville but with the c Yeah,
so that that implies that don't play hell yeah, that's play yield turn.
Uh yeah. So I think, yeah, we're going to see some
heel tendencies from him coming in tomorrow night. But I think I can see
that quickly going the other way and him becoming more of a faith So that's
kind of my prediction. Yeah, I mean like that. Would you agree
that with the popularity and the anticipation of will Osprey that is good. This
is what a lot of people are saying, you know, in the community,
that having will Osbury come in as a heel would be a missed opportunity
for some excitement. I don't think so. I think he can be exciting
as a heel. I mean, and it keeps you wondering what he's going
to do next. You know, is this going to be the week that
he betrays someone? You know? Is is this the week he's going to
show what he's really up to? It? No, I I think he'd
be fine as a heel coming into it. I think he can pull it
off. Okay, so you think he could pull it off, But do
you want him to be a heel? I wouldn't mind it, Okay,
I wouldn't mind it. Yeah. I think the one thing to me is
that we have a lot of heels, and especially like top of the card
heels in a w like this, this triple threat match Samoa Joe Adam Page.
If if he's there and swerve, they're basically all heels right them right
now. And he just like broke into someone's house and threatened Adam Page's house.
I don't call him less of a heel, but yeah, so there's
really room for will Aspray to be a big time facing aw. That's just
kind of how I'm seeing it right Well, you know, go ahead,
that go ahead. Oh. I was going to say, Hangman isn't quite
a heel yet either, So I don't know. Hangman is still kind of
on the fence, and I think he doesn't. He have an announcement tomorrow.
Yeah, we'll talk about that. We will talk about that. I
wanted to ask Sutton a question because Sutton and I are of the same age,
and he watched a lot of the older wrestlers. And I don't know
if you had the same experience as I do, but back when I started
watching wrestling, you could have eight championship belts in a promotion, and the
heels had pretty much all eight of them. It was a heel dominated world.
And for the longest time in AW you would have with the I think
seven championship belts at AW has. I may be wrong there it was only
like two heels that had belts, so well, I'm of the mind you're
right that was what it was like. I mean, you had Okay,
I can think back to those days when Bruno San Martino was a face.
You know, there's that's pretty much the only one that had a belt forever
that was a face. Back in those days, you had Harley Race probably
next to Flair, was probably the second most dirtiest player in the game,
and Race held it was everywhere. You know. My problem with AW and
my son and I talk about this all the time, there are way too
many heels in AW. You have you have eighty five percent of the roster
or heels, and you can't you can't keep putting on good shows if everybody's
a heel, because if you have so many heels, then you start having
the people really get by. Like the only person I can think of that
actually pulled it off the best was Stone Cold. He was healed, but
everybody treated him his face. He was still over. But when you've got
like at the time you were talking about, you had Jade car Gill,
you had Britt Baker, you had uh trying to think of the back when
those two were champions, who was the tag team champions? But in the
women's division, they kind of did that with those two as heels. They
weren't good at it and it kind of ruined those titles for a little while.
And then you know, if you have so many, that's just like
the whole thing with the tag team titles. I don't see them. You
know, nobody wants to see the Bucks happening because the Bucks don't need them
putting. Like normally, if you're retiring, you want to wrestle somebody that
you that needs put over, to put them you know, get that last
loss, put them over and move on. There's nothing gained in that.
If anybody, anybody that the Bucks wrestle is going to be put over though,
that's what they do. No, no, no, I'm saying that
you don't have any reasons for Sting to lose to the Bucks, right,
you know what I'm saying, Yeah, you don't they they Sting doesn't need
to lose to put the Bucks over. The Bucks are already over regardless of
how you run them. Now, if he was going up against Starks and
Big Bill, I can see him losing that match because that puts Starks and
Big Bill over and go from there. But you're I disagree with you because
if Stark's a big Bill win that that match, they're nowhere near as good
as the Bucks. And the Bucks could then put anybody that challenges them over,
whereas Starks a Big Bill simply would not be able to do that.
Yeah. I get that, but yeah, I'm not thinking ahead of that
match. I'm just thinking that last match. But you're right about the number
of the Heels being champions. I mean, Chris Jericho, second guy to
win, was a Heel. He wanted he wanted to. He won the
original aw championship. He was the first. So you had a Heege champ
from the beginning. And then you know Keny Omega is kind of a tweener.
The Bucks, depending on which way they want to go, are tweeners.
I mean it's a lot different now than it was back then, right
because back you were cut, you're either he or face. There wasn't no
in between. Right. Let me let me let me go ahead and get
m K in here so he can get his two cents in. I don't
need lit Osprey to be a John Cena baby pace, but I think you
could prow the line of like MJS did and be a Marmie jerk or whatever
word that they would use over there in England. But uh, you know,
he's good enough that he would say I'm good enough, you know,
prove it in the ring type of guy. But he doesn't need to be
a John Cena baby face. The baby face run for him and kind of
breaking away in like United Kingdom or or whatever it called his group, UH
run with him and break away from uh Pallas would be great. Yeah,
okay, So the last thing on the agenda to talk about tonight, I
want to I want to try to wrap this up pretty soon. So we're
just going to skip ahead too, and Adam Page is going to make his
announcement of his intentions or his status for Revolution, if you guys aren't aware
of it. He hurt his ankle in his last match, was reported that
he was fine, and the reason why he hurt his ankle was because some
kind of personal issue may have may preclude him from participating in Revolution. Frankly
speaking, whenever they do this, Alex, it usually means that he's gonna
announce that he's not going to be there. What do you think, uh
Kelson? I think I would be really disappointed if he's not in this match,
because you know, they've been setting up the whole Swerve versus Hangman.
Hangman's like so angry at Swerve for all the horrible things he's done to him
and now he wants to cost him the title. It all, by all
means like that's kind of the whole reason for this world title feud. So
if Hangman's not a part of it and it's just Swerve versus Samoa Joe,
that's still like a cool match and maybe Swerve wins, but I don't know,
just take a lot away from the match. So I'd be pretty disappointed.
I can see sorry that throw me off a second. I can see
I can see Hangman taking an injury and then coming back in the match and
Austin for the match because he said he will do it anything in all costs
to make sure. So if he's taking an injury or or whatever, I
could see him do that as well. Yeah, I can. I can
say that. What about you, Nett? Yeah, I think Hangman is
going to do something to Swerve. I think Swerve is his target, and
yeah, I think he he may act like he's not going to participate in
that match and just come out of left field and maybe call cost Swerve the
match against Samoa Joe. But I'm I don't know. It's been hard to
tell with with Hangman because he seems to be going through something so right,
I don't know, he's he's emotional. Yeah, an AA meeting that night,
and he may not be able to make the show. Oh lord,
it's true anyway, it could be true. SD. What do you got
for us, Bud? I don't know. Uh, I'm not really liking
the way they're going with Hangman. I just don't like the character the direction
of his character is going. But I do think that's that's a very big
possibility that he's going to come out tomorrow night. You say, I've heard
my ankle. I got to do this, and then on Sunday he's going
to show up and screw uh in the match. If he's not in the
match, I swear winning. Yeah. Well, we will talk about our
predictions for the full card, because I'm hoping that they announce more matches tomorrow
night for a Revolution, especially like I really do think that what match is
a possibility actually for something like zero hour would be Brian Gage against Hook for
the FTW title. So, but we're gonna wrap this up, but before
we go, I did want to take a couple of minutes to make it
a little bit of a personal statement. Yesterday we lost a true legend in
the wrestling ring. Ole Anderson passed away at the age of eighty one.
He was for this old guy. He was a mainstay on my TV on
Saturdays on TBS when I was watching Georgia Championship Wrestling, a great heel,
a good promo in the years when promos just were everything because they just didn't
wrestle that much back then. And you know what, I love to hate
Ole Anderson. I love to hate Oi and Gen Anderson and Lars Anderson and
arn Anderson. I love to hate the Minnesota Wrecking Crew. I loved Larsen,
loved Ollie Anderson, and as a wrestler, there was none better what
he did. You may or may not agree with what he believed in inside
his own home, but in the ring he was a master. Thank you,
Olie. You'll be missed. And that is how we're gonna wrap things
up on Ignition. Thank you guys for coming. We'll see you tomorrow night.
So for this episode, this is Kelson Alex. Good night, everybody,
good night, good night.