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You are about to be trampled underfoot. So listen. This episode I designated

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Edgar Allan Poor and there is no
one that I'm aware. I'm sure there

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is a surname Poor, but this
is actually Edgar Allan Poe. And Edgar

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Allan Poe was born in the eighteen
eighteen o nine actually and lived all the

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way until the eighteen forties, around
eighteen forty nine, and he was an

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American writer, editor, and book
critic and whatnot. Pope is best known

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for his poetry and short stories,
which I mean a lot of us are

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familiar with. What what what comes
to mind when you think of Edgar Allan

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Poe to you, Mark, Oh
gosh, so much. I mean the

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Cast of the Montdillo to begin with, you know, the Pit and the

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Pendulum. I mean it just so
many stories, so many poems, the

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Raven, the Fall of the House
of Usher. I mean, you can

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just go on and on and on. Annabelle Lee. But something that I

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don't know, maybe some fans of
the genre know or don't know, is

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he basically invented the detective story,
the detective adventure genre, and Sir Arthur

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Conan Doyle credits him specifically for more
or less giving birth to the genre and

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inspiring Sherlock Holmes. So there's a
lot in there, I mean a lot

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in there for somebody that died as
young as he did it had a career

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basically as short as it was in
his forties, like he was something.

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I think he was forty years old. Yeah, I think it was four

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exactly, or they're about yeah,
he was aged forty. But how about

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what images for you folks, all
of us, actually, what images come

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to mind in the head when you
think of him and his life. Because

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I'll just say this, the Edgar
Allan Poor title is in reference to something

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else. But this is kind of
like a bouncing board and it's an interesting

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topic in itself as it is because
this guy, I mean, this is

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Americana. This is the birth of
a genre horror in writing in the specific

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way he did. I mean,
it's but Edgar Allan Poe was broke.

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Yeah, And so before we get
into that, this is where I was

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actually going with that. Mark people
that are renowned for whatever reason in literature,

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the arts, and all sorts of
different things throughout history, but surprisingly,

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maybe to some we're completely dead,
penniless broke skid row. And so

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that's kind of like where I was
going. And then there's a second part

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to that. But going back to
what thoughts come up as far as Edgar

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Allen, polls, psyche and all
these things, what comes to mind for

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you Mark, Oh, I've already
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he was definitely a troubled soul.
I mean, he's his death was attributed

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to, oh God, probably about
a dozen things. I mean I've heard

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everything from alcohol to you know,
cholera, to heart disease, tuberculosis,

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suicide, but nobody is really sure
how he died. That's just been lost

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to history. Well, he died
penniless and he had I'll read you the

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specifics here, But there's another for
those of you that are There's so many

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different road twists and turns with what
I'm about to share that you might or

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might not know. And I suspect
that some of you might not know.

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So let's see if we can surprise
you or not or at least spark some

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curiosity. And I don't know that
Mark might know this as well, but

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we're always surprised with what Mark knows, might not know or might be interested,

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not interesting we'd never know, and
that's the fun of it. But

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here's some interesting things to stimulate the
noggin. Okay, And before I get

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to the specific specific, I just
wanted to say that Poe I'll read here,

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and they do say that some people
attribute his death to all sorts of

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things, right, Mark just said, rabies, carbon monoxide even and just

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all sorts of poisoning. And it
just a whole assortment of things. But

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he did die young. And here's
the thing he was. He has become

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a legend, an American legend.
Poe died on October seventh, eighteen sixty

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four, and he had only earned
checked this out, earned two hundred and

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seventy four dollars that year up to
the time that he passed away, which

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would be about in today's figures,
roughly four thousand and four hundred and eighty

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one dollars in like two thousand and
nineteen. We're in two thousand and twenty.

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But you get the gist. So
he made less the year before,

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and all the while he was trying
to support his family, you know.

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So he began a live early on
in order to focus solely on writing as

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a career, to supplement or actually
to live and so he's also like,

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that's a big deal because of that
he died poor. Here's the bit that

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I wanted to add to it.
Mark, unless you have something to say,

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But here's the interesting thing that I
was going to throw at you guys

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that you've not heard. But if
you have something, go ahead, No,

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no, no, go for it. I'm I'm following your leader.

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Here's here's the twist not associated.
Did you know? And I'm gonna be

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shocked here? Did you know that
Sylvester Stallone when asked who his inspiration artistic

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inspiration is, he always says Edgar
Allan Poe And did you know that?

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Since the time that he was a
teenager or early adult, Sylvester Stallone has

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been a screenwriter and he has been
working on for the past fifty years a

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script for a movie on the life
of Edgar Allen Pull that he's drafted and

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redrafted, added, subtracted from.
That is known throughout all of Hollywood,

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and nobody has picked it up to
people say it's good. Other people know

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it's not the right time. Actors, everybody knows and is aware of it.

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So when is the right time?
I mean, you know, he

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died in eighteen forty nine. When
is the right time? When asked when

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Sylvester Stallone was asked about this,
he said that he would put it in

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the hands of different, um,
you know, companies that do this sort

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of thing, you know, in
the industry, and they would say,

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yeah, but there's no you know, so where's the action, you know,

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an adventure, or where's this or
that? And he says, well,

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this is a writer. And the
way he wanted to plant out was

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that it had two phases, Poe
going into a dreamlike state where he envisions

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the stories and his dreary normal life
because you could go and see the house

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that he lived in, this wooden
thing, you know, just you know,

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raised slightly up off the ground,
not small but not big by any

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means, right, Just so he
wanted to bring that and he's been working

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on it. A lot of people
underestimates Sylvester Stallone because of his speech and

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sort of like you know that tough
you know, Rambo and all that,

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but he actually wrote, like he
wrote Rocky, He wrote a lot.

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He's written, He's written a lot
of screenplays. Yeah, he is an

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intellectual or an artistic on the artistic
side, and whatever else that includes.

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But he is a disciplined individual by
by far, and Edgar Allan Pole is

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his idol when it comes to the
inspiration because of that darkness that I didn't

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know. Oh it's an insane twist. And last bit about this I remember

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the subject today is um famous people
historically famous, but we're dead broke.

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But Poe alone has branched like the
seven degrees of or is it how many

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degrees of separation? Six degrees of
separation? Yeah? Yeah, So Sylvester

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Sloane wanted to play Edgar Allan Pole
in his movie early on, and then

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eventually realized the role wasn't good enough, and he would even play joke.

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He would even um sort of like
demean himself in public, saying well,

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could you imagine could you imagine me
as Edgar Allan Pole? Yo, you

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know, and the crowd would laugh
and he would sort of self deprecat you

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know. But the point is that
this guy's a brilliant guy, Rocky Balboa,

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let's say. And his connection to
that was the inspiration. The way

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he found Edgar Allan Poe. He
ran into a library in New York and

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he was directed at the archives and
at the bottom level or whatever, and

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he went down there to get away
from the rain or something, and he

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sat down to study, and he
found Poe, and he said he fell

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in love with him all that time. But Poe was a broke individual that

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affected the lives of culture beyond his
possibly even imagining wow, that, you

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see, I would have never I
would have never even have made those connections.

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I would never even have thought of
that, you know. It's just

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it's strange where people get inspiration from. It's strange where people draw their muse

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from, you know. But to
think that, Wow, I don't know,

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that's just kind of it blows me
away, is what it does.

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It's a mind blowing story. I
will see if I can find for you,

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guys. There's a documentary on Sylvester
Stallone and his timeline with him speaking

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and the narrator narrating what the story
is. If you're interested in that.

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It is pretty interesting for people of
a creative you know, slant, because

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it shows Sylvester Stallone a different light, and it talks about Edgar Adam Poe

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and it unites those two figures from
different decades century, let's say, or

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yeah, well, two different centuries. One after the other. But and

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so it's, um, it's a
very interesting thing. So yeah, I

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just I wanted to say that,
but our subject is is poor and I

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have a list of them. But
any thoughts on that whole bit? Oh

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well, that you mean wrapping up
the discussion about Poe himself and then Stallone

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with it. I know, you
know a lot of people put they they

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think a Stallone, they think of
Rocky and maybe they'll think of Rambo and

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things like that. What they're forgetting
was that was not Sylvester Stallone. Those

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were characters that he was playing in
portraying, and he would kind of put

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on that slow, duller dish kind
of bewildered, you know, persona as

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a part of his act. I
mean, that's not the real man,

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so by far, Yeah, yeah, I had no idea he went that

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far into pol though. That just
kind of wow. It is an amazing

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journey and that particular video, and
we're not talking about he has clips that

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you can find spread throughout the internet
where he takes and he films or live

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broadcasts. Well, this is my
script that I've been working for the past

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fifty years, and as you can
see, this is my passion and he

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keeps working it and reworking it for
fifty it's an obsession. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, Well it's a very interesting
thing. Actually, Well, I'm

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just wondering why the delay. I
mean, because you can work on something

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too much. I mean, I
know he said that it's just not the

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right time. Where people have said
it's not the right time, but when

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is well, I mean, well
see that whole bit. It's kind of

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like, you know, there's a
there's a a sort of ocean of people

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out there that have these talents and
all these good, good ease to share

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with humanity that could inspire. And
I've always run up so look, I'm

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gonna I hate I'll just I'm gonna
say this to you. I have always

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been of the mind that you put
it out there, you create, and

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you put it and sometimes you're like, well maybe I shouldn't this, but

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you know, and then you work
it out and you put something and it's

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not your best work and it's not
your best this, but you're putting it

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out there, and you're putting it
out there and you're creating and you're doing.

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And I've always been of that mind
where you're creating, and there was

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a time originally where I would like
create, and then I'd say, well,

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eventually, eventually, and there's a
place for that, but but to

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share and maybe touch another person,
not because of anything other than you open

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up a gate a doorway in your
specific way for that person to say,

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oh my goodness, look at that. Okay, and that's valuable in itself,

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you know, right, Okay,
like fifty years he's been working on

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this fifty years. How much better
is it really going to be? Oh,

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here's the fifty years. You're right, you're right. Here's the second

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part to that. I have recently, if you noticed, I haven't done

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a lot of woodworking, making videos. I've gotten to a point where you

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have to also believe, and I've
got to a point where right now I'm

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interested in documentary and this is that
right now. And I could either be

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not selfish and do what I've always
done, but for who am I doing

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it? I gotta do things because
I enjoy them, and so I do.

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So I've come to the conclusion that
I do things for but certain things

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I won't put out. So you
go through what stallone could be trapped in

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that wartux of he doesn't want to
let it go, that's got to be

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it. That's got to be it, because that's the only thing I can

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think of. I mean, yes, more information comes up about him.

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I don't know how regularly, but
I mean more information comes up about everybody.

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Yeah, little by little, in
spurts and dribbles here and there.

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But I still think that fifty years, I mean, that's a lot of

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work. That's a lot of blood, sweat and tears in that literally and

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figuratively. At what point do you
stick a fork in it to see if

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it's done? He was asked exactly, but he was in one interview,

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so he's not Here's another thing.
He's not not aware of that angle that

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we are talking about that you're mentioning
right now. So he's completely Here's another

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problem with human beings is that they
could be in total awareness of these issues

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that prevent them from but and they're
intellect they can see intellectually, but they're

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stuck with it because of whatever.
I mean, it's that taking that step

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he would well, let me just
say this, he mentioned when asked about

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the rewriting, he said, listen, you know how many times are you

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going to redo it? And he
said, listen, I have noticed throughout

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time that when you're Novice writing Novice, and that it's the first time you

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sit to write that particular story,
that those first instincts were the truest,

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that sounded the most authentic, even
with its their errors, it's actually portraying

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the spirit of the things. So
he's aware of that. Okay, So

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he still hasn't made the movie though, right, And that's the thing.

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Well, it's getting to because he's
not a young man now, you know,

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not wishing any ill will on anybody, but one of two things is

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going to have to happen fairly so
or take that back, one of two

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things is going to happen fairly soon. He's either going to make the movie

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or he's going to hold on to
it and hold on to it and hold

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on to it, and somebody else
is going to make the movie after he's

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gone and he won't have any input
other than the script or the story.

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He won't be able to see his
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getting to it's getting to those looks. Something's going to happen here shortly,

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Which do you want it be?
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a twist into that. Maybe see
Edgar Allen Poole's life was, depending on

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how you look at it, Edgar
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from his vantage point, and he
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eighteen hundreds with better circumstances than he, and he could have figured maybe someday,

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and he just kept trucking along.
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for it was that severe because he
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maybe stallone with that in mind,
because he knows his life is to some

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degree content with never making it and
knowing, okay, fine, then quit

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shopping it around and knowing that it
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what I'm saying could be. I
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he doesn't want to do it himself, let somebody else do. But then

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you never see the fruit of your
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of the opinion forever that an unused
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mean, you can be the absolute
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you're the only one that knows it. What does it matter? So you've

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created this masterpiece, but you're the
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does it matter? I mean,
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this whole discussion, that there's people
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context, well didn't matter. But
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Poe had his works published. He
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That's that's absolutely true. And they
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that. They weren't seen as important
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masters, most of the great masters
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during their lifetime. I mean stories, stories are told about cases like that

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all the time. Actors weren't recognized
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or you know, James Dean being
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seen for what they really were during
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Shelley who wrote Frankenstein. You know
when that book was released, When that

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book was first published, you know
how many copies it sold? No?

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Five hundred? And that's it.
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sold. But what made it jump
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that would make an excellent play,
and they adapted it to a play and

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performed it in theaters. That's what
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it had been published. Years after
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a major flop as a book until
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mean, that's see and like I'll
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vibe. Vincent van Gogh died broke. Yeah. Um. He he did

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sell some paintings, but he in
his life, um, you could basically

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stamp him with not success. He
would stamp himself with not successful, you

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know, because he simply didn't have
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and and it's historical. He didn't
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Bella La Goosie super famous. On
another extreme, he died broke yeah,

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yeah, and ended up being like
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players in some of the best of
the B movies. You know, did

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some movies for ed Wood and things
like that that just you know, this

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guy was a serious, serious actor, but just died broke. Oscar Wilde

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broke, but people knew of him. But the point is broke, um

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Tesla Tesla revolutionary in in you know, electricity and broke. Yeah. Um,

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I mean Judy Garland is lest here. Charlie Parker four million dollars in

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unpaid debt. Judy Garland owed four
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like, but so, you know, losing it or being brokeer struggling.

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But so that's one thing. But
then there's the issue of people creating works

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and never being successful with in their
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um. You know. I don't
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the saying more or less kind of
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wait till the painter croaks, and
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Then it'll be worth some money.
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It's like a really screwed up trade
off. Yeah. I mean. Nicky

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Rooney, one of the biggest stars
of the thirties and forties, had eighteen

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thousand dollars to his name when he
died. You know, I mean,

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God, just Marvin Gay he died
just well serious drug addiction wiped out his

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bank account. When he died,
he died just penniless, broke, you

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know, Gary Coleman, what you're
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parents stole his money and he ended
up suing his parents and agents and a

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whole bunch of different lawyers from mismanaging
his money and what have you. Um,

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he was awarded well over a million
bucks something like that, but he

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made a bunch of mistakes, and
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cop, you know. I mean, that's that's a really harsh when you

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see people that have had this amount
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it comes this financial compensation through the
marketing aspects and all these things, and

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to see it all go in a
certain direction. I mean, these are

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things that we can't we The variables
are so are so extreme we can't put

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our finger on you know what it
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the top of most the popham most
straight to the gutter. Some people even

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go into the gutter and back up. Other people never go anywhere. There's

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such a wide variety of circumstances.
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people that do focus on this type
of certain work, and then they bite

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the big one. And then through
history, somebody picks up, you know,

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the work and it ends up in
a gallery. Let's say for a

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painter, they research the name,
the value starts going up. Well,

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let's find out about his life story, his or her life story, and

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then boom it becomes and the person
he was struggling to get oil paints.

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Yeah, you know, on off
the corner market they were probably saying,

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oh, here comes old Vincent Bang
go again. He's such an annoying you

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know, what's he gonna try to
trade for paint this time? Yeah,

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you believe this guy, he's coming
down. And where if he were alive

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today without it, you know,
with all the knowledge that people, he'd

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be like renowned. It's just the
irony of history. I mentioned Mickey Rooney

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a couple of seconds ago as a
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wasn't Mickey Rooney one of the Little
Rascals? Mickey Rooney, as far

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as I know, was not one
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rascal that played Mickey. The guy
that played Mickey and the Little Rascals was

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Robert Blake, I would play Baretta
and a bunch of other stuff. Yeah,

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he was Mickey and the Little Rascals. I don't think Mickey Rooney was

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one of the Little Rascals. So
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am doing right this second, and
I've I'm gonna take and this is for

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the listeners, and that Sylvester Stallone
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good half an hour. I'm gonna
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we do add a lot of our
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or art or write ups about what
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It's where we have and store all of

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have that wayback machine button which will
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with Harneial Media. We sponsored okay, well, I don't know because last

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Which are very uh, it'd be hard

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pressed to find help. Well,
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So, Um. Another angle to
this whole thing mark is that there's people

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that by hook or Kruk, become
this world renowned figure because of something that

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that occurred, occurred, or that
they were involved in or did that all

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of a sudden becomes this this huge
deal. And um, I'll give you

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a few of and this is what
I was tying in. I'll give you

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some names. A virtually unknown person
that basically has become a household name known

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would be let's say, Rosa Parks
wouldn't give up her seat, she put

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her foot down. Let's say,
Um, she was probably just completely tired

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of the whole thing, and she
decided to go for broke and through no

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imagination, possibly in her mind,
that that act, that simple act of

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that human spirit, would create a
a history and a future where she is

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named. Basically sparked a revolution.
You know, it was long overdue.

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But just as one person standing up
and saying no, well, or sitting

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down and saying no, I've had
enough I mean, yeah, who could

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imagine that? And I know,
you know, she didn't imagine that,

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and she knew the repercussion, she
knew what was most likely going to happen.

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Yeah, but she was making a
statement and that statement was heard around

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the world. Just an amazing thing. Yeah, oh, I have a

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few. Let me see a few
others. Let's see here. How about

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the guy that stood in front of
the tanks in Tianamen Square. Yeah,

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I don't know that I ever heard
anything about him other than he was promptly

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arrested. It that's all I've ever
heard about him. Yeah, don't know

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the man's name, don't know anything
about his family, don't know anything about

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him. Which, but that was
an iconic photograph and it was weird and

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wild to watch it happen live on
television. I mean, it's like that

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human being, flesh and blood,
standing in front of this huge machine of

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crushing power was well, he created
a situation and a photo was snapped.

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And we don't know who he is. I'm sure that we could find out,

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but there is video out there because
I mean, the tank stopped and

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then it started to move, but
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tank started to move to go around
him. He would step in front of

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it and follow it and stay right
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it, and until some people came
out, grabbed him and pulled him off,

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drug him off to the side.
But wow. Yeah, So you

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know the theme that I wanted to
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what we've explored is that you know, through the passage of time, people

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whatever their work or you know,
efforts, are at whatever level you may

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be creating things that to your mind
are just your normal day to day or

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with the intent of it being a
successful thing or it already being a successful

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thing. Well you are not.
You know, the doors are not open

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for you or any of us to
what the future will be. So we

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don't know what impact certain things that
you do will be in the greater scheme

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of things in the future near future, for either down the line or whatever.

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And so I just find the whole
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yeah, I mean, for all, you know, just one thing,

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I mean, look at the road
what is it the on PBS, the

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road show, Antiques road Show.
Yeah, they bring in stuff all the

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time, and oh, your grandfather
was so and so, and he made

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this tapestry because old lady Matilda down
the way and there's a whole history of

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the family. Oh my good.
It's just a beautiful thing to think of

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the possibilities of what will happen.
There are three stories that I like,

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and you're talking about one of my
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stories that I like on Antiques Road
Show. The person who comes in who

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is so full of herself and gets
told that you know, there are three

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hundred thousand dollars object is a fake
and worth about fifty bucks. I love

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those because I like to see the
pompous get knocked down to size. And

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the other one is the person who
has something in the family, whether they

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were related to whoever made it or
not, but they didn't know the whole

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story about it. They were maybe
we're told a few things here and there,

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but then get totally blown away by
what this actually is. Whether it's

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the value is there or not.
They just get blown away by what it

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actually is. Yeah. And then
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one particular guy who bought a chair
that morning he brought it in. Instead

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of what he was gonna bring,
he bought a charity yard sale that morning.

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He paid two bucks for it.
And it was like a federal chair

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from the seventeen hundreds, worth about
fifteen grand, amazing, and he paid

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two bucks for it that day.
You know, I love stories like that.

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Somebody bought this at a thrift shop
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I mean, I love story of
stories like that. Yeah, And sometimes

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they come in with like a snotty
handkerchief from the eighteen hundreds. Look this

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trusty thing and they look at it
and they say, oh, this is

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from that soldier up in you know, New England, and this and that.

407
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:21.119
So keep this snoughty rag because it's
yeah. Well, there was this

408
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:23.880
one lady and I think it's probably
my favorite appraisal that came in on Antiques

409
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:29.159
Road Show. It was a lady
who brought in certain pieces. Her father

410
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.559
was a missionary over in China,
and while he was excuse me, her

411
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:37.360
grandfather was a missionary in China,
and while he was over there, he

412
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:43.800
would buy these artifacts, these jade
pieces, and he displayed them and everything.

413
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:45.719
And when it was time for him
to come home, he brought him

414
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:51.119
home and she brought in a selection
of a few pieces and there were like

415
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.320
five or six pieces that she brought
in, and the guy started going down

416
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:58.239
the list and just telling her,
well, this marking, this is this,

417
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:00.840
and this marking that was done by
this guy, and this is an

418
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:06.480
Imperial marking and we can trace it
directly back to this. Those five pieces

419
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:12.760
were worth well over a million dollars, and he starts pointing out, you

420
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.519
know, well that one there's got
a value of about two hundred and thirty

421
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:21.679
thousand dollars, and she just what, no, She kind of she gave

422
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:25.119
him a weird look, like what
you know. He says, so,

423
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:29.599
just these pieces right here, and
you have more. She says, oh

424
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.320
yeah, we have forty five or
fifty more back at the house. And

425
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:36.559
he says, well, these pieces
right here are worth a little over a

426
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:42.400
million dollars, and she just kind
of sat there silent for a good five

427
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:49.199
six seconds and went damn, just
like that, damn, so will you

428
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:55.119
be keeping this in? And it
was just absolutely she was just stunned,

429
00:38:55.239 --> 00:39:01.400
shocked. That's all she could say
was damn. Yeah, you know that

430
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:07.559
person, you know they're they're calculating, They're like, oh yeah, it

431
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:13.400
was her and her brother were had
had owned this collection so you know that

432
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:15.440
what they ever did with it after
that, I don't know, but it's

433
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:23.679
like, damn that. That damn
that, that's an indication they're like,

434
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:28.880
holy smokes, we're gonna let's go
ahead and buy a car or some you

435
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.920
know. I looked. I looked
it up on PBS um because they they

436
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:37.719
flashed a little graphic more on PBS
and they had a little after the show

437
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.239
was over interview with her, and
she was still stunned. She's just like

438
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.280
I when he started rattling off numbers, I had no idea what he was

439
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:49.199
talking about. He couldn't be talking
about this stuff, no way. Yeah.

440
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.599
But well, I mean there's things
that exactly that, like you'll look

441
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:58.199
at and you're like, this is
total hogwash. Yeah, I'm gonna toss

442
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:01.239
this, you know. And see
that's there's a danger in that, Yeah,

443
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:07.960
because if you are aware of the
value possible value of things that might

444
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:13.679
appear like junk, you could fall
into the trap of hoarding. Oh yeah,

445
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.400
and if you do right, oh
yeah, And that would be an

446
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:22.920
easy thing to do because people equate
age with value and it's just not the

447
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:27.079
case. And I didn't mean to
de rail off into this but just because

448
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:31.360
something is old doesn't mean it's valuable. And I was telling you the few

449
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:42.199
days back about like the Singer treadle
sewing machine. Everybody either has a Singer

450
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:45.199
treadle sewing machine, or if not, there's one in the family, or

451
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:49.760
if they don't have one in the
family, they know somebody who has at

452
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:53.679
least one in their family. Because
so many millions of those things were made.

453
00:40:54.320 --> 00:41:02.280
And you can buy an absolutely pristine, one hundred percent complete singer treadle

454
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:07.840
sewing machine in perfect running condition,
you can pick and choose for two hundred

455
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:13.880
dollars. Antique shops don't want them. They turn away more treadle sewing machines

456
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.559
per year than they know what to
do with. There's just no value to

457
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:22.280
them because they made so many of
them. Yeah, if it's something that's

458
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:27.000
just everywhere, Yeah, then it
loses it's because you can It's like,

459
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:30.480
you know, it loses its value. You can get it anywhere. What's

460
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:36.079
simple supply and demand. I mean
that well, first of all, it

461
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:40.719
was patented in eighteen fifty one and
went into production not long after that,

462
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:46.920
and they opened a factory. They
opened one factory in Scotland, and that

463
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:58.400
factory by itself at its peak employed
sixteen thousand people and from eighteen eighty two

464
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:05.360
when it opened in nineteen forty eight
when it's shut down, that factory alone

465
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:12.480
shipped thirty six million sewing machines.
And they had a factory. They had

466
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.679
one in the US, they had
the one in Scotland, they had two

467
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:19.480
more in Europe, they had three
or four in Africa, and five or

468
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:25.320
six in Asia. So they were
shipping these things worldwide. They literally sold

469
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:30.400
billions of those things. There's just
no value to them. Well, in

470
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:37.119
keeping with what you're talking about now, which it all works if you think

471
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.159
about it, you could connect anything
with anything in the way I see things.

472
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:45.679
To me, everything is connected,
honestly, the way I look at

473
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:52.239
life and in a broader sense,
everything is fricking connected, man. And

474
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:55.760
so the way I see this connected
is through value, the age, passage

475
00:42:55.760 --> 00:43:00.360
of time, you know, production, just all that. So I see

476
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:04.039
it connected with what we started with. But um last week, at some

477
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:10.719
point, not on the podcast,
we did have a discussion round about involving

478
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:19.159
a couple of things within the same
genre, and that was TVs and the

479
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:25.199
price drop in TV sets. Oh
yeah, nowadays and we talked a little

480
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:29.599
bit about that, and you mentioned
something about M and M's as well,

481
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:35.480
and which I found super interesting.
But before, you know, if you

482
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:37.000
want to share that, I think
it's interesting. But I just say that

483
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:44.280
I did watch a documentary after the
fact about TV TVs and it's funny.

484
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:51.239
I never typed in anything about TVs, but they heard us, the Google

485
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:57.519
the Google systems heard us, and
they started to YouTube started to offer TV

486
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.280
style documentaries and electro onyx stuff and
all sorts of stuff. So that's another

487
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:07.480
thing that we're involved with or hit
with in this current day and age.

488
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:12.679
And guess what, sometimes they're successful, like they were in the case of

489
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:16.519
me seeing that documentary about TVs,
and they just briefly they say that the

490
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:21.719
prices have dropped dramatically, which we
did talk about. The other day.

491
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:27.199
I went to Walmart and saw like
a quadrillion you know, inch TV for

492
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:31.519
like two hundred bucks. Yeah.
Yeah, And they were bringing out from

493
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:37.840
the storehouse even more, rolling them
out in carts and they were sitting sitting

494
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:42.159
all down the aisles and it was
just crazy. You know. Well,

495
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:49.000
what I wanted to say is that
the documentary explains one way or one reason

496
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.199
that TVs have dropped the way they
have, And I'll get to that,

497
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:58.920
but why don't you share? All
I was just gonna say, was you

498
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:06.440
know why they were haul those TVs
out by in such huge volume because this

499
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:14.119
week is the biggest TV sales week
of the year, especially large screens,

500
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:19.039
because it's the week before the Super
Bowl, right, so they bring out

501
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:22.039
all of the big stuff. But
you're absolutely right. I can remember my

502
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:29.760
parents paying five hundred dollars for their
first color television set. Now that was

503
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:34.440
in nineteen seventy six, and five
hundred dollars was a lot of money in

504
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:39.599
nineteen seventy six. It was huge
money. But now we're thinking about getting

505
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:45.239
a larger TV for the living room, and I said, well, you

506
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:49.119
know, maybe we can afford a
two hundred and fifty dollars price tag.

507
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:52.679
Let's look and see how Let's see
how big of a TV we can get.

508
00:45:53.239 --> 00:46:01.199
We can pick and choose amongst brands
up to fifty inch, yeah,

509
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:05.719
for two hundred and fifty bucks,
yeah, or less. Be careful,

510
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:07.880
you know, yeah, oh yeah. There were some in there for two

511
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.559
forty, some in there for two
thirty. You know, we're gonna be

512
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:15.840
in trouble. You know, it's
just crazy. The prices have dropped.

513
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:20.960
You know, you know when we're
gonna be in trouble that society because and

514
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.199
it's coming. It's around the bend. Is when you take a stroll in

515
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:29.199
some you know, large city across
the America or the world for that matter,

516
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.480
and you'll see these shopping carts,
the homeless with the shopping carts and

517
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:37.159
like the rags and stuff like you
see on in the movies with a connect

518
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:44.199
the shopping cart with a huge fifty
inch TV set perched on top of it,

519
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:46.400
so they have the TV they can
watch all the but they're all the

520
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:52.639
essentials are like non existent because of
the imbalance of things. Um, I

521
00:46:52.719 --> 00:47:00.480
expect I expect it because you know
it's it's it's a case of um that

522
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:07.800
they're so ding dung cheap and try
to give one away. I mean,

523
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:15.119
we've got two cathode ray tube the
old CRT televisions, still in perfect working

524
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:21.320
order. They work great, colored
TVs. We don't use them, and

525
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.639
we tried to give them away,
tried to give them to my grandkids.

526
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:28.280
They don't want them. Why because
we've already got flat screens. Yeah,

527
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:31.760
nobody wants them. Yeah, I
mean Goodwill won't take them, the thrift

528
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:37.239
shops won't take them. Strike that
brand name there, they don't want them.

529
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:39.760
They just no, we can't get
rid of them. I mean,

530
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:44.840
so you've got all this electronics that
nobody wants and it still works perfectly.

531
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:51.159
Well yeah, well, well here's
the bit, at least in the documentary.

532
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:54.639
One of the reasons that they said
that the prices have dropped dramatically,

533
00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:01.079
not barring all the other possibilities,
but they show one particular is that now

534
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:07.159
you will notice that the majority of
the TVs that are being pushed, the

535
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:13.400
way they're making money is that these
TVs are smart TVs, right, and

536
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:21.280
they all include tracking software that will
send signals back to manufacturers with data.

537
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:28.199
Now they do mention they don't collect
particular data but in bulk, but using

538
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:35.079
IPS if they really if someone really
wanted to find out specifically, they could

539
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:39.880
trace back to the person, you
know, and you know, let the

540
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:47.960
wah wah seventies music playing in the
videos start. So the the they're they're

541
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:58.719
they're sort of like balancing their their
earnings, using that to sell for advertisers,

542
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.559
and collections of that data and whatnot. So that's the tradeoff. So

543
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:07.800
they mentioned that whole sort of right
thing, But then they also didn't mention

544
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.400
the fact that people are now putting
VPNs on their routers, that are,

545
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:20.039
they're plugging their smart TVs into which
gives a fake IP address. So all

546
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:24.440
of that data is just for not
you know, they're not collecting it anymore.

547
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.159
I mean, I start a good
point. It started with VPNs on

548
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:32.719
computers, and then they came out
with apps to put a VPN on your

549
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:37.239
you know, I'm running a VPN
through I got let's see, we've got

550
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.199
we've each got a tablet, we've
each got a phone, we've each got

551
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:50.239
a laptop, and we have three
PCs all on VPN. And you know,

552
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:52.519
so long as you're running that VPN, you're running through that VPN,

553
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:59.920
it's not tracking a thing. But
but if you had to guess the popular

554
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.400
at large, yeah, they would
not have most folks aren't, right,

555
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:09.960
right, So that's where that but
people is getting more popular. Yeah,

556
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:15.880
so that's the way to protect Yeah, and some of the streaming services like

557
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:22.199
Netflix, they recognize certain VPNs and
rejective. You can't connect to Netflix with

558
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:27.800
some VPNs. Others have found a
work around that's incorporated in the software.

559
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:31.960
You can still watch the streaming services
Netflix just being one, right, So

560
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:37.280
I mean, but some of them
come with things like Roku and what have

561
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:44.239
you. So I mean, we
touch on see I don't even fear going

562
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:45.800
in this, but I will mention
it out loud. We've touched on this,

563
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:58.519
but I don't I have not watched
a proper through TV network TV programming

564
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:05.079
in over a year. I mean
the last time, I don't know if

565
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.239
it was that, my internet went
went down, and so I said,

566
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:12.039
okay, well let's try the regular
TV. And they had some sort of

567
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.800
cooking channel or some other thing,
and I watched that. But the idea

568
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.639
of having to watch what's given to
you is so limiting, even that they

569
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.360
used to say back in the day, even you know, back in the

570
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.719
in the nineties and before you know. Nowadays, in our modern time,

571
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:35.239
we have our choices from one hundred
and something channels. And this is even

572
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:40.639
that is so antiquated from what we
have today, which is on demand,

573
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:46.840
what your brain decides to think that
you're interested in. At the touch of

574
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:52.079
a mouse, you can go down
that that rabbit hole. Sure, and

575
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:57.119
there's just no competing with that.
As far as programmed you know television,

576
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:02.079
absolutely none. I mean nobody has
time for appointment television anymore. I mean

577
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:06.360
you and I were brought up on
it, We were raised on it.

578
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.360
If you wanted to watch, oh, I don't know, pick a show.

579
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:13.519
If you wanted to watch Home Improvement, you watched one episode and when

580
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:15.519
that was done, you waited,
and then the next one was on next

581
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:22.599
week, right, And if you
had a particular favorite episode tough, if

582
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:27.400
you planned ahead, maybe you could
catch it in reruns later on, because

583
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:31.880
they would make like twenty six episodes
and then have play them back for the

584
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:37.280
following year and then the new season
would come out. But now they're putting

585
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:43.079
up whole seasons of shows on the
same day just to try to keep people

586
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:46.159
there to watch them. Because people
don't want to wait a week to watch

587
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:52.199
Deadliest Catch. They want to see
the whole season now, and they'll probably

588
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:58.440
record it to watch it later,
or using the streaming services, they'll just

589
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:01.440
put them in a playlist and watch
them at they're convenience when they want to

590
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:06.199
watch them. Here's here's a and
I don't know if I'll be able to

591
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:13.440
say it right, but here's a
brain buster, like breaking down those doors

592
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:20.079
into into into where we're placed in
time and space, okay, generationally.

593
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.639
Okay. The other day, and
I'm sure you've seen something similar to this.

594
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:30.719
The other day, I was surfing
the web on YouTube and I came

595
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:37.000
across this old music video and mind
you, old means like four or five

596
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:39.719
years ago, so it was like
two thousand and five or two thousand whatever.

597
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:43.679
And I watched it. It was
like a big hit back then.

598
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:49.800
Bye by the views, you know, you could tell. Yeah, and

599
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:51.920
I was. I watched the video. I said, oh, look at

600
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:55.320
this, okay on just simply on
a visual and music and I said,

601
00:53:55.400 --> 00:54:00.760
let me read through the comments.
Yeah, I starting reader comments and I

602
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:06.639
ran across the comment that said I
was thirteen years old when I saw this.

603
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:12.480
I'm now, you know whatever age, And he's like but and then

604
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:15.360
another comment, I was so and
so years old when I saw this,

605
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:22.400
and now they're adults. Yeah.
Yeah, And they're talking about a video

606
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:27.480
that to me is like, sure, it's it's it's a few years in

607
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:30.880
the past, but it's not you
know, two or Van Halen. Yeah,

608
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:36.280
and they're talking about it like hey, look and that's their reference point.

609
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:40.599
Yeah, And I was like,
holy smoked, Yeah, yeah,

610
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:45.800
yeah, yeah. I mean it's
it's weird. I mean, I I

611
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:49.239
fell down that rabbit hole myself just
for some reason. The other day.

612
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:52.119
I got a wild hair. See
what I did there, rabbit hole hair?

613
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:57.719
Okay, and said, I haven't
listened to Peter Frampton. Do you

614
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.719
feel like we do? From the
Frampton Comes Along? Comes a live album

615
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:07.199
in a long time? Frampton Comes
Along? Okay, Yeah, that was

616
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:12.760
the sequel that didn't sell very well
anyway. Um So I, you know,

617
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.440
brought it up on YouTube and I
started listening to it and I'd just

618
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.320
like you. I started scrolling through
the comments and it's like, man,

619
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:22.000
I remember when this came out.
Man, well this is cool. I've

620
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:25.159
never heard of this guy and this. You know, they ran the gamut

621
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:28.320
from all this, that and the
other. And I sat back and I

622
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:30.719
thought, you know, this is
one of the albums when I was in

623
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:36.440
high school you had to own.
If you didn't own that album Frampton Comes

624
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:39.400
Alive, you were nobody. You
were just out of it. I mean,

625
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:43.960
you weren't gonna have any friends.
And the minute they found out about

626
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:46.280
it and be like, oh,
you don't have that. Well, okay,

627
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:52.840
you know that kind of thing.
It's it's an amazing uh think I

628
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:59.599
think you know that generationally, but
but I am kind of encouraged to see

629
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.639
some young people discovering that kind of
music. It's just like, whoa,

630
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.360
man, this is cool. Yeah, you think that's cool. Listen to

631
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:13.400
the whole album. You know,
I don't know that. I don't know

632
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:19.719
how to. I can honestly tell
you that I'm completely in the dark about

633
00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:29.679
what things mean currently in reference to
music, because I personally being of that

634
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:35.360
time when you had to keep the
record, you had no choice. Once

635
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.039
you opened it. In fact,
once you opened a record, it was

636
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:40.440
yours, it was yours. You
couldn't really, you know, because they

637
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:45.519
knew that you could dub it and
all that unless there was a defect.

638
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:49.320
If there was a defect, then
they would take it back, right,

639
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:52.039
so you could, you know,
go around that. But typically, well

640
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:58.320
at least myself, I never returned
an album like they put it out there

641
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.280
so much that you know if once
it's broken, the plastic's broken or this

642
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:08.599
or that, so um and sometimes
you take a knife and try to sort

643
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:12.920
of rig it and this and that
just in case, but to no avail,

644
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:19.320
at least in my case. But
I don't know nowadays me myself,

645
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:24.119
being of that time where you had
to keep the record, I can't nowadays

646
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:32.320
sit through an extended period of just
one musical like a recording. I could,

647
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:38.199
but I'm more prone to doing what
people do nowadays, and it's really

648
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:44.199
ruined for me. But I have
no I have a choice, but I

649
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.480
don't want to. So I do
what the internet, you know, I

650
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:51.719
click on through, I go to
the next thing. I bounced from here

651
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:57.960
to the Tibetan like monks chanting,
or like I don't know, underwater scuba

652
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:02.599
diving, and to whatever. And
I don't know that where I don't know

653
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:08.199
what kids how it's going to work
out where the consumption of one full piece

654
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:15.079
of music one takes it in and
it's it's a work in itself. And

655
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:22.920
that sort of challenges you or makes
you opine on you know what it means,

656
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:30.039
And it's just all that. So
it's more like a disposable type of

657
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:35.440
environment that we're living in. It's
push button music again. We're back to

658
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:37.559
the radio in the car. Song
comes on, you don't like, push

659
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:42.000
the button, change the channel,
let's find something we do. Yeah,

660
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:46.119
you know, mass consumption, quick
instant gratification. Here the song, move

661
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:50.360
on, here's the next one.
You know. Now you can load up

662
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:53.519
a playlist with all your favorite tunes
on it, and now let's mix this

663
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:57.800
up a little bit, put it
on shuffle and off you go. You

664
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:01.079
got it all playing. You know
you're not putting on Dark Side of the

665
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:07.960
Moon then flipping it over to hereside
too, you know. I mean it's

666
00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:14.199
strange. Yeah, but you know, I'm sitting here talking about all this

667
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:19.280
stuff, and I'm not telling anybody
out there anything they don't already know.

668
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.519
I mean, I'm sitting here talking
about how people watch TV. You know,

669
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:23.800
how you watch TV. You don't
need me to tell you that.

670
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:29.800
Yeah, I don't. I'm just
you know it just still. I mean,

671
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:35.280
because I can remember as an adult. We've got a TV in our

672
00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:38.559
bedroom as an example, that is
about fifteen years old. It's a big

673
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:44.280
CRT. I bought the wide screen
model because I saw the handwriting all the

674
00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:46.880
wall. Everything was going to wide
screen instead of the old four to three

675
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:53.840
aspect ratiow so, and at first
my wife did not like that wide screen.

676
00:59:53.960 --> 01:00:00.039
She liked the square screen that everybody
grew up with, right and and

677
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:04.320
I know, you watch, everything's
gonna go widescreen. Everything's gonna go widescreen.

678
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.280
And we were buying that. The
salesman was telling us, you're crazy

679
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:12.960
for buying something that's CRT. I
said, I can trust this technology.

680
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:21.039
Plasma screens. I don't even know
that LED screens were out yet, but

681
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:23.639
I said, plasma screens, you're
already on the third generation and they've been

682
01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:30.079
out for less than three years.
They burn out, people are having problems

683
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:35.159
with them, and they're expensive.
I mean the TV we got was it's

684
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:39.719
a thirty inch screen CRT and we
paid six hundred dollars for it. Back

685
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:45.559
then, at that time, the
plasma screen that was a thirty inch was

686
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:50.800
two thousand dollars. I'm like,
I'm not paying two grand for something that

687
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:55.719
you think is gonna last half as
long as this TV sets gonna you know,

688
01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:59.920
you know. And the only reason
we bought one is because ours broke

689
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:06.119
so we didn't have one, you
know. I Mean, that's why it's

690
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:09.960
just kills me at how cheap they
are now, because I can get almost

691
01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:16.199
double the size for half the price. So yeah, you know, what

692
01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:22.440
can you say, But it's funny. Cars have quadrupled him price. You

693
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:28.159
know, you can't find three year
financing anymore like it used to be.

694
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:31.960
Now it's out five, six,
seven years. That's how they can.

695
01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:37.440
People can afford to drive an eighty
thousand dollars truck. There's like eighty thousand

696
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:42.519
dollars. Geez, that's two thirds
of what I paid for the house I'm

697
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.440
sitting in right now. To me, to me, all that, honestly,

698
01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:52.199
it's all ridiculous. And to me, people have to drive, and

699
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:54.840
people have to live, and people
have to But to me, that whole

700
01:01:55.000 --> 01:02:00.239
thing about you know, indebted here, indebted there, indebted here, it's

701
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:07.599
just you know everything. No,
I'd rather um open the door the passenger

702
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:10.360
door stretch and that can be fixed. So and we've talked about this,

703
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:15.679
but yeah, the examples there,
you know, live within you know.

704
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:20.880
To me, that's my personal you
know, and it's not shining and a

705
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:27.840
glorious type thing. But at least
you don't have the the you know,

706
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:34.280
pressure of long extended you know.
Yep, I'm driving a twenty three year

707
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:39.360
old Saturn and my total debt other
than my monthly utilities is like three hundred

708
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:44.920
bucks. I don't have huge credit
card bills. I don't own nobody nothing

709
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:49.039
except the mortgage on my house,
my monthly utilities. Yeah that's it.

710
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:52.159
Yeah, I mean screw that.
I mean honestly, it's like, it's

711
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:57.480
like, why number one, you
know, I'm not out to impress anybody.

712
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:04.840
Yeah, um and at all,
you know, and you know,

713
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:09.480
the whole keeping up with the Joneses. Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't

714
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:13.320
excite me at all, to be
honest with you. And there's a lot

715
01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:15.800
of people like that. Yep,
there's a lot of people out there like

716
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:22.800
that. But there's more people,
at least apparently ye that are the other

717
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:27.000
way. Well. See, that's
why what I'm gonna do is this week,

718
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:31.079
I'm keeping my eyes on the Crass
List electronics section because somebody's going to

719
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:35.440
bring home a sixty inch Plasmas Green
and want to get rid of their forty

720
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:44.880
inch ancient It'll say, It'll say, very old twenty nineteen model. It

721
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:50.360
doesn't have that extra speed button where
it shuffles your playlists in less than half

722
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:53.559
a second, So we're gonna let
it go for like fifty cent. Okay,

723
01:03:53.719 --> 01:04:00.960
that'll work. We keep going the
way it's going right now. They're

724
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:04.559
gonna have TV's up on the front
counter at the store where they have a

725
01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:09.280
penny, take up penny, Yeah, bucket, have a TV. Take

726
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:12.480
a TV. No, you'll have
you know, you'll have a little cubicle

727
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.400
where they have the chewing gum,
and right next to it like a big

728
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:19.280
box with TVs. Yeah, it'll
be like nineteen inch TVs in there because

729
01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:21.480
they can't sell them. They got
to give them away his change, you

730
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:29.960
know, So, folks, I
hope you I think we're good. Yeah,

731
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:31.280
I think I think we're more than
good. We kind of went all

732
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:34.679
over the place, but what the
heck we usually do well. I mean,

733
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:38.719
you know, at the end we
did switch up a little bit,

734
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:43.239
but it was all I see it
as all glued together. Frankly, you

735
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:46.840
know, we could talk about all
sorts of stuff and I see it all

736
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.920
connected, you know, Okay,
all right, if you say so,

737
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:55.079
well, I mean, I mean, I don't know how you connect Edgarrell

738
01:04:55.159 --> 01:05:00.599
and Poe to a plasma screen,
but I mean unless you're watching U follow

739
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:06.000
the House of Us sure on TV
here, well, I mean it connects

740
01:05:06.039 --> 01:05:11.360
through our conversation going back through the
past hour and you'll see where we did

741
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:16.480
the switch off because it connects actually
through um you know what, we have

742
01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:21.679
to sit and listen back, but
I'm sure it connects somehow. I'm just

743
01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:28.960
wanting to think about when you're write
up the description. Yeah, so folks

744
01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:35.880
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745
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746
01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:48.039
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747
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:55.079
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748
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:59.880
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749
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:08.719
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750
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762
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