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Well back with another edition of the
Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinsky,

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so happy to be joined once again
by one of my very favorite investigative reporters.

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That would be the one and only
Gabe Kaminski. He's an investigative reporter

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at the Washington Examiner and has a
fascinating new story. I'm excited to dive

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into, Gabe, because you did
a lot of great original reporting. First

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of all, thanks for coming back
on the podcast. Thanks for having me.

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Of course, so Gabe stray at
the Examiner is headlined anti Israel protests

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fueled by terror tied dark money groups, quote national security issue, and gave

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talks to lawmakers dives into some of
these funding streams that I actually find kind

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of unthinkable and it seems so obvious
that it's a national security issue and so

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bizarre that we're only talking about it
now that Israel's in the news, and

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gave just as you know, some
context here. If folks didn't see the

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scenes from the protests in DC over
the weekend, surely they've seen scenes from

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around the country. A man who
was standing with a an Israeli flag on

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a street corner in California was bludgeoned
to death just yesterday, we're talking on

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Tuesday, was bludgeoned to death in
the last couple of days by a seems

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to be a pro Palestinian protester who
hit him with a bullhorn. The scenes

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on college campuses have been wild,
but chance of into fought. We're ringing

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throughout the streets of DC by the
White House. And your friend, your

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friend Sam Mangled Lennett, who co
hosts this podcast sometimes or guest hosts this

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podcast sometimes, was there was watching
it all. He's got something up on

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the Federalist if people want to check
out sort of a first person perspective on

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what happened. But maybe this is
a good place to start, Gabe,

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because you take a look at some
of the specific groups. Who was out

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there, I mean, who are
some of these groups that have mobilized and

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organized different protests and this DC protest
in recent weeks. Yeah, I think

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the main thing to realize is that
it's a lot of the same groups across

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the country who are spearheading the anti
Israel pro Palestinian protests. And I think

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the common denominator we saw is that
many of these organizations have extremely opaque funding

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ructures which you could probably liken to, you know, essentially like a dark

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money mechanism, where so many of
these organizations who led that and organized the

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protests in DC and other places like
New York that have seen significant vandalism and

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also arrests, they aren't actually standalone
organizations. They're not standalone five to one

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seeing three charities, but rather they're
fiscally sponsored under another charity, which is

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essentially meaning another they're projects of other
groups, which means they get the shield

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themselves from filing formal financial disclosures or
tax forms with the IRS. And a

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lot of these groups are under a
charity in New York called the Westpac Foundation,

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which has for many years been a
big proponent and kind of player in

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the boycott, divestment, and sanctions
against Israel. Movements. An example,

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you know, there's a group called
the Palestinian Youth Movement, which technically actually

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it's not a group, it's a
project, but they would frame themselves as

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a group. And as an example, this group helped put on that protest

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in Washington, DC, and we
found that they actually have a writing scholarship

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named after an assassinated terrorist leader for
the Popular Front Caliberation of Palestine. So

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as an example, a lot of
these groups, they've either praised terrorists,

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they advocate for terrorists from Hamas Palestinian
Islamic Jihad or PFLP to be released for

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prison, or they've also appeared with
ex terrorists or appeared at protests where they've

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held signs of protest, you know, posters of terrorists who have committed crimes

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and faced prison time for those crimes. I'm sorry, can you flesh out

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a little bit more of the connection
that you just made with that particular group,

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because again, this is one of
those just jumps out at you.

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So this group has been operating,
and I assume you know because you reported

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this out it was mostly public information. They're connections and again we're talking about

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this in the aftermath of these these
demonstrations. But what the heck, how

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did you sort of put point A? How did you bring you know,

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point A to point B? How
did you put two intuit? Yeah there,

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Yeah, So as an example,
if you go on so if you

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see that there's a flyer for all
the groups that are doing these organizing this

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DC protest in particular, and one
is the Palestinian Youth Movement, And if

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you go to their website to donate, what you see is they're not actually

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their own group because it says donations
go to the Westpac Foundations. So that's

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how we knew that that first piece. But the second piece is that if

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you just kind of digging deep into
the organization itself. I mean we saw

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that as an example, p y
M and a group called Canary Missions profile

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this, it's an Israeli watchdog as
well. But Palestinian Youth Movement the group

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that sponsored that protests. There's pictures
on social media of them appearing at protests,

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with their activists holding graphics of convicted
terrorists, including one named Leila Khalid,

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who in nineteen sixty nine hijacked a
plane from Rome to Tel Aviv and

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then got plastic surgery six times.
And then in nineteen seventy tried to hijack

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a plane from Amsterdam to New York. So that's a group operating in America

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that is openly praising terrorists. I
guess just another one i'd point to that

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I found particularly notable is another one
of these sponsors for this Washington DC anti

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Israel protest was a group called Al
Alada, which actually similarly is not a

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standalone organization, but it's basically sponsored
by San Francisco charity called the Progress Unity

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Fund, and Al Alada has long
been part of the National BDS Committee Coalition,

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which itself has included US designated terror
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of Palestine HAMAS, Palestinian Islamic Jahad, and Palestinian Liberation Front. As another

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example of Ala Lata's terroritized they've been
led by a woman named Amani al Hindi

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Berecott, who literally has praised on
social media on Facebook. We we embedded

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the Facebook post she's praised HAMAS leader
Khalid Michelle as quote unquote excellent. So

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they're very open about their support for
terrorists. But meanwhile, they're allowed to

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enjoy tax benefits by borrowing the tax
exempt status from another charity that is operating

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in America. Yeah, let's get
into that. And again I highly recommend

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checking out this article. It will
be linked in the description because you can

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actually see what Gabe just mentioned the
Facebook post. A lot of this is

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completely out and open, and I
remember actually that was the case with the

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Women's March. For example, Tamika
Mallory was one of the co founders of

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the Women's March, Linda Sarsor of
course a lot of people remember her as

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well. They were getting profiled in
the glossy magazines and had an endless stream

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of positive press. And it turned
out Peter Hassen did a lot of the

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great reporting and the legwork on this. If you just went back on their

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social media. A couple of years
Tamika Mallory was paling around with Louis farrakhn.

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Some of this stuff is it's so
in radical leftist circles. It's so

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sort of normal that you might have
ties to groups like X, Y and

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Z, especially in anti Israel issues
and Palestinian issues, that you know,

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this is again like these are Americans
posting about this stuff in America, publicly

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chanting into FADA, publicly so,
Gabe, there's kind of a legal structure

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here with nonprofit regulations that they seemed
to be exploiting easily. Yeah, that's

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right, and I think, uh
yeah, So essentially howscal fiscal sponsorships and

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arrangement where a group that is maybe
usually more grassroots, loosely organized and not

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doesn't have the tools in place to
be its own organization, or maybe is

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literally just too radical that they can't
be. There's Israeli designated terror groups that

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are sponsored under American charities because there's
no way they will get tax exempt status

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in America as an example. Yeah, so what that means is that a

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charity provides the fiscal sponsored project a
bunch of services, so the project will

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pay the charity you know, uh
money for donation, processing services, legal

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services, human human resources insurance.
And this not only gets the project you

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know, off the ground and access, it actually allows them to get access

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to a major donor network. And
we see this particularly with the Tide Center.

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The Tide Center is one of the
largest sort of donor advised funds in

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the country, and they are registered
in the US and they're able to incubate

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sort of more radical grassroots pro pal
standing organizations and give them a platform to

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benefit from getting donations and the financial
services. And interestingly at Dovetails, we

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published another story today on how there's
the pro pro Israel think tank or watched

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all called the zach Or Legal Institute, which just sent a memo to Congress

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calling for them to try to urge
the Treasury Department and the IRS to take

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a look at this fiscal sponsorship arrangement
mechanism because it, in the view of

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this organization, it just paves the
way for organizations that should not be or

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you have access to US services or
have TIOR links, to be able to

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use the financial system in America in
ways that are pretty alarming. Yeah,

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So when you talk to lawmakers what
you did for the story and other experts,

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is it a matter of applying existing
laws in a more I guess logical

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or a more useful way, or
are they talking about passing new laws.

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What's the kind of balance as you
checked in with people who are in this

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field to prevent this in the future, The thought primarily of zach Or Legal

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Institute is that the current laws under
the Treasury Department, don't they It's essentially

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sort of a loophole in the sense
that the Treasury Department has something called the

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Office of Foreign Assets to Control,
and they manage something called the Specially Designated

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Nationals and Blocked Persons List, which
is a shorter way of just saying the

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Treasury Department has a formal way that
they sanction people on their list. So

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that's for example, as an example, Vladimir Putin is not allowed to gain

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access to US money. The Treasure
Department would never allow him to gain access

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to US bank account. The same
goes with certain like leaders of Hamas direct

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leaders for you know, terrorist groups. The problem is, according to zachors

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that he said that the organization is
their thought with like this fiscal sponsor of

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arrangement, that there's sort of like
fronts for these terror groups, and that

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comes in the form of like probably
you know, potentially a lot of these

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projects, you know all a lot
or Palestinian Youth movement, these groups that

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have these kind of seeming territized but
they're you know, still just operating.

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mentioned, for example, the direct
ties to Hamas, again, it just,

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you know, I think there is
way more organic anti Israel and antisemitic

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sentiment in the country than a lot
of people realize, partially because students were

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kind of being filtered through the system
of higher education, in which, you

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know, people like Judith Butler,
who famously in the nineteen eighties sounded like

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Yasir Arafat and said it's important to
see Hamas as a part of the global

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left and the sort of global anti
colonial project, et cetera, et cetera.

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So, I mean, I think
some of the sentiment is real.

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But when you're digging into the scope
of groups that exist, I mean,

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did that surprise you are there?
You know, maybe three big players.

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You go into some of the specific
groups in a really helpful way in the

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piece. But yeah, I mean
a lot of people know about care obviously,

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what is the kind of landscape of
all right, you know, pro

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Hamas slash pro Palestinian or pro Palestinian
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well, I think a lot of
these groups move in lockstep. I've seen

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that. Particularly, there's a charity
of covered called Alliance for Global Justice in

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Arizona sponsor. One of their groups
under them that is not its own organization

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is a project called Sammy Dune,
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But Alliance for Goal of Justice is
certainly a major player because of that,

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because Sammy Dune itself has a major
coalition that includes just a whole lot of

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BDS related groups. So a lot
of these groups are kind of they're part

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of the same coalitions, they're part
of the same they all pretty much are

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seemingly part of this court of coordinator
movement. I think one way that that

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is actually more verifiable is in our
story we included how one of these projects

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that helped plan that Washington DC protest
it's called the Palestinian Feminist Collective, which

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is obviously very ironic because I don't
think people in gas are very fond of

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feminism or anything of that nature.
But Palestinians don't a limb or anything game.

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But I know, yeah, controversial
stuff not accepted in GOSM right,

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Palestinian feminist collectives, so they the
Palestinian Feminist Collective this group in America,

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they did a letter. They wrote
a letter a couple of weeks ago,

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basically just on October seventh, after
the terrorist tax against Israel. They just

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kind of expressing support for what they
say Palestinian martyrs. The letter itself doesn't

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actually say the word Hamas or terrorism
anywhere. But if you look at this

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letter, it's a whole bunch of
coalition groups. But the main thing that

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study out to me is that putting
aside these actual BDS groups, what you

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see is that this same letter was
signed by like hundreds of mainstream just American

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universities, the gender studies departments at
all these universe seas, including University of

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Chicago, Ohio State Syracuse, University
of Virginia, et cetera. And also

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Students for Justice in Palestine Chapters,
which is probably another pretty major player who's

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been organizing a lot of on college
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of protests in that group itself has
been reported to you know, express support

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for Hamas, Hezbola, Palestine Islamic
Jaha PFLP. So the whole movement feels

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very incestuous. I guess, yeah, that's actually really interesting and you've you've

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dug into dark money schemes and nonprofit
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a pretty interesting game with the nonprofit
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this pretty much par for the course
and what you've seen from other groups?

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And of course this doesn't just happen
on the left, you know, this

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Citizens United does of course in itself
a conservative group. But does this sort

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of look any different from what we
see in other spaces? Are they pioneering

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anything kind of new? I mean, I guess the foreign aspect of this

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is kind of interesting and frightening in
and of itself, but does it follow

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what you've you've covered in other spaces. I think that the Palestinian funding like

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kind of machine feels actually like the
most opaque in most like quote unquote dark

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money than any other area, it
seems like, and especially because it's putting

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aside, it is like literally the
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evidence right of left wing foundations funding
many of these, some of these not

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the groups we covered the others in
the BDS movement, but it's the more

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concern is that it's actually potentially terror
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and I think with other sort of
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we've covered as an example, you
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the rights favorite enemies is Arabella Advisors, this LLC that is a massive consultancy

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that manages uh, charities in America
that then fund you know, the major,

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major kind of demo liberal causes in
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that funding, well, it can
be very opaque if you can find from

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tax forms often where the money is
flowing between you know, some of those

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more just political orientic causes. But
something like this becomes very more feeling as

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in like straight dark money sense,
because a lot of the projects under the

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charities being sponsored, they're not even
like in America, Sammy Dune operates across

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the world and to my knowledge is
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there there's no real you know,
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which is a charity in America,
they're not they're not very incentivized to

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say where they're giving their money because
why would they want to say that,

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you know, it's uh, it
opens themselves to a lot more legal uh

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you know, like legal issues potentially
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terror tied American left e charities.
Well, can can we like narrow in

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on that? Actually, just I
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still trying to wrap my head around
it because this is sort of intentionally convoluted.

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What is the legal mechanism if it
exists that they're using to essentially be

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headquartered out of Gaza and function as
a nonprofit in the US. Yeah,

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So Sammy Dune as an example,
the group I mentioned, they're not They're

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the reason it's the legal mechanism.
How it works is like they're not their

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own charity. They are an unincorporated
project of act of a charity in America,

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which means that they're not subject to
the same laws that they're the group

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that houses them is under. So
Sammy Dune. While Sammy Dune has its

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own website and seems to be its
own organization, they're actually just sponsored and

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housed under an American charity that is
subject to you know, uh laws with

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regard to you know, being based
in America and various I R. S

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laws. But Sammy Dune, because
they're not their own group, they're not

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they're not subject to those and that
means that they you know, they operate

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pretty much across the world. They've
been headquartered in Canada, Gaza. They

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don't publish financial information, so no
one knows, you know, I don't

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know what Sammy Dune's uh like assets
are like, or with how much money

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they pulled in last year. And
with American charities you might be able to

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find sometimes on tax forms it'll say
like you you know, a group will

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give a contribution to a sponsor group
on forms and you'll be able to see,

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oh, this was earmarked for a
group under the New Venture Fund and

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Arabella Advisors group. But the foreign
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convoluted and opaque because there's just way
less disclosure requirements. And are there I

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mean, so, for instance,
in the pro Israel side, there are

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some major donors that have big millionaires
billionaires that give to groups like APAC for

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example. Are there any sort of
high profile or especially repetitive big donors,

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high dollar donors that come up when
you're looking at these or is it basically

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it's too opake to even know the
funding sources. Yeah, I mean,

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I don't know who's funding a lot
of these foreign groups because there's there's really

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just no way to know now.
As an example, with you know,

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every now and then, there might
be a small donation that just somehow appears

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on like tax forms ten years ago, and you see that. You know,

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one way that oftentimes in America that
donations flow is that people they won't

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give directly two groups or foundations,
but they'll give through like what people have

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also likened to dark money, sort
of like donor advised funds. So one

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is like gold as an example,
Goldman Sachs has kind of a fund that

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people would pour money into and donate. People pour money into and use that

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to sort of direct funds to other
groups. And when that happens on financial

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disclosures, all you'll see is like, you know, Goldman Sacks Trust twelve

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million dollar donation and you don't know
who actually the sources behind that. And

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that's the same kind of being that
with Arabel Advisors. That people take issue

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is because when let's say it's group
the New Venture Fund donates, you know,

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five hundred thousand dollars to x X
project. Really it's not New Venture

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Fund giving that five hundred thousand dollars, but it's rather donors who went to

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Arabel Advisors essentially and said, hey, I want to I want to do

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this, I want to give to
this cause. Can I give it through

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New Venture Fund? And New Venture
Fund wipes the money clean and gives it

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and sort of passes it on the
other end. And so it's it does

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obscure, you know, completely,
who's who's donating money where and to who?

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Yeah, no, absolutely, That's
the other thing one it asks is

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as you were looking into these groups
to what extent, I mean, there's

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some really clever ways. Hamas itself, for exams simple had a blatantly explicitly

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intentionally racist anti Semitic charter in the
late eighties that in twenty seventeen, you

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know, they basically control left As
you know, gave every mention of you

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know, Jews for Israel. So
it was kind of a clever way to

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couch anti Semitism or to to thinly
veil their anti Semitism and pretend that it's

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anti Zionism or anti uh just anti
Israel Israelism. But you know, that's

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pretty obviously not the case when it
comes to a terrorist group like Hamas As

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October seventh is you know, as
clear an indication of any Did you encounter

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any sort of outright open anti Semitism
as you were digging into these groups.

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Did you see a lot of you
know, similar stuff where it seems as

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though this is, you know,
anti Semitic activity that is being presented as

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or under the pretense of sort of
anti Zionist activity. What did that look

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like as you were diving into these
groups. Well, I think the first

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thing is that the leaders of these
groups that organize the DC press, they're

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very open as far as you know, They've they've on social media expressed support

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for terrorists or convicted terrorists. As
far as the protest itself, I mean

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you saw there was on there was
like glory to our martyrs, I believe,

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painted places other anti Semitic phrases.
I think one other thing is,

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yeah, these groups on their social
media because they know that's obviously where people

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are going to look for them when
they look up their group. They're a

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little bar covert, but it's pretty
clear because I think one thing I've noticed

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looking into these groups in the past, like since October and just kind of

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covering the a lot of the protel
steam groups in America is one good test

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I think is if you go in
their x or Twitter account, you scroll

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down to October seventh, you can
pretty much know where they. You know,

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typically on October seventh, right,
any organization that is a moral compass

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posted something along the lines of we
condemn hamas terrorism against innocent people. But

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on October seventh, for a lot
of these groups, all you see is

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something like, uh, we applaud
our not all you know, stuff about

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Palestinian martyrs or things about Israel's genocide. A particular focus literally just on that,

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and that's particularly sailing it. Like
if that that letter I was mentioned

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by the Palestinian Feminist Collective, it
literally doesn't even say the word hamas in

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that letter, it doesn't even say
terrorism or terror. All it says is,

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quote, we unequivocally answer and amplify
the call from the Palestinian Feminist Collective

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we condemn the force removal of Palestinians
from the Alosa Mosque, and so on

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and so on. Like all their
focuses is about their notion of Israel being

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a genocidal state. So that,
I mean, that's just one way.

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And obviously the more covert ways we
saw, like when Black Lives Matter came

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under fire their organization several weeks ago. I mean that was very overt.

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I mean they posted on Twitter a
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free Palestine, and then remove the
post and try to walk it back.

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But that was as clear cut as
you pretty much see, I feel like.

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And in some ways this is such
an interesting story for you to work on

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personally because you do so much work
in the free speech space, in the

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censorship space. Actually, you got
a great shout out from you're from Matt

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Taibi at the Doubt Prize last week, for which you were also nominated for

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your fantastic work at the Washington Examiner
on the Global Disinformation Index. And so

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obviously a lot of people on the
left, you know, the Harvard President

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stands out someone who, when accused
of having an inappropriate response to October seventh,

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suddenly was reinvigorated by the concept of
free expression and speech on college campuses.

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But you know, that is a
very legitimate concern here because the IRS

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obviously targeted the conservative the status of
conservative nonprofits under the Obama administration, And

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you know, there are regulations that
may be tempting to enact or apply now

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or to support now that can can
easily be turned around in the future.

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Although you know, I think in
many of these cases it is apples and

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oranges with some of these groups.
But Gabe, as you were talking to

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lawmakers and they were, you know, giving you quotes about this being a

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legitimate national security concern, how were
they thinking if they were thinking about this,

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How are experts thinking about this?
How are you thinking about this as

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somebody who's covered that question of speech
before, especially as it pertains to nonprofit

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activity. What what are the or
what are the different areas that need to

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be balanced here if there are any? Yeah, I mean I think the

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I think simply that the you know
what we folks are storying around, which

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is the terrorism tied element, which
are very just very direct with these groups

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it changes. I think that they're
the interpretation of others like I think Darre

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Alisa, Mike Lall or some of
these conservative House members, Republican House members.

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Some of their inclination is that this
is this is a national security issue

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because it's not just about a bunch
of college students standing outside their dorms waving

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a flag and smiling. It's actually
about Jewish students being locked in libraries,

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uh and being physically attacked on college
campuses, all while those other people are

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posting on social media in support of
you know, uh right, genocide Hamas.

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So, I mean, I think
it seems to be there's a you

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know, the I guess Republicans have
made that differentiation between you know, as

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far as speech because the terrorism aspect. Another thing I mentioned is one thing

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that there was a few reports that
there were Democratic staffers and Biden's staffers potentially

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at the the Saturday protests in DC. I'm not I'm not entirely sure about

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that, but I saw you know
a little bit of reporting audience and social

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media posts about it, and I
think that if that's true, that's that's

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super interesting. Maybe, I mean, are these people still employed by the

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government after rallying with terrorists? Are
these people still having national security clearances?

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And it brings me back to the
January sixth stuff, because when that happened,

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it felt like every other day after
j six, twenty twenty one,

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there was a new story about like
some guy in a maga hat at this

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protest or actually inside the capitol,
maybe illegally, and writing stories and looking

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into his family past. And it
seems to me that that would actually lend

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itself a lot more to when people
are there's designated terror group tied you know,

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protesters. So it'd be interesting to
see the extent that that happens,

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you know, with the with the
DC protest and others. I guess the

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Rights made some attempt to identify people. There's been like that account stop Anti

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Semitism, that's been highlighting people that
like rip flyers off of you know,

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of like kidnapped the Israeli kids and
whatnot. But yeah, right, and

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that brings us to the last question
I want to ask Gabe. Unless,

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as sometimes happens, I will have
another question that comes up while I ask

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you my last question, So we'll
see if that happens here. But the

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one that really I wanted to get
your thoughts on because sometimes when you do

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these stories, you're you're sifting through
media reports, and then you're comparing the

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media reports or the lack of media
reports to public records, and you know

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what's been filed, what's not been
filed, what's been covered, what's not

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been covered. As you were doing
that, what did you come away with?

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I don't want this to be a
leading question, because maybe not,

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but did you come away with a
take on how the media has covered or

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not covered some of these groups?
I mean, if it is a leading

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question, it's because my expectation is
that the media coverage has treated dark money

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from pro Israel groups differently than they've
treated dark money from proposed Indian groups.

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Because some of the stuff that you
reported out is stunning, and you know,

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belongs in just about every reputable publication, certainly not just the Washington Examiner.

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Here in Federalist Radio Hour, as
you talk about what you reported out

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for the Washington Examiner, do you
feel, having gone through all of that,

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the media coverage has been good or
bad? Yeah? I mean,

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anytime someone mentions any of these projects
and they're protesting from a transparency perspective,

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they should one hundred percent be mentioning
the actual charity that they're under, which

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operates in America unlike potentially them.
And the other thing is just speaking generally

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about media coverage. I mean,
there's been so many issues on outlet covering

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the conflict. I mean, I
mean, just one easy example is there's

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various outlets that just continue to parrot
that allegedly ten thousand people in Gaza are

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dead, which is a statistic that
is coming derived from the Hamas run health

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ministry that has been posting videos on
social media of people who are not actually

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dead faking dead, and then also
planted a widespread propaganda sentiment in American and

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global media outlets that a hospital was
bombed allegedly bombed, when a parking lot

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was actually just struck by a failed
by a Israeli rocket. It was actually

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a Palestinian rocket. Right. So, and that's one thing that just particularly

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comes to mind, just people parroting
numbers coming out I'm a designated terrorist group,

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as if we actually should trust those
numbers. Yeah, another great point,

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Gabe. You'd think it would be
similar obvious, but well, I

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think I say, right, it
sounds stupid to say, but it's just

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like it's actually just yeah, it
shouldn't even need to be said, right,

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No, it really shouldn't. But
this I just really loved this article.

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Again, it's called anti Israel protests
fueled by terrortied dark money groups.

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That's in the Washington Examiner. It's
really detailed and thorough as basically everything that

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Gabe writes is. Have you been
listening to the show for a while,

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you know, he's one of our
very favorites. Of course, formally wrote

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over here at the Federalist, Gabe, thank you so much for keeping an

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eye on all of this and for
being willing to chat about it on the

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podcast today. Thank you, of
course you've been listening to another edition of

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the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily
Dashinski, culture editor here at the Federalist.

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We will be back soon with more. Until then, be lovers of

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freedom and anxious for the friend God
you got. You're right, well you

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