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so happy to be joined once again by one of my very favorite investigative reporters.
That would be the one and only Gabe Kaminski. He's an investigative reporter
at the Washington Examiner and has a fascinating new story. I'm excited to dive
into, Gabe, because you did a lot of great original reporting. First
of all, thanks for coming back on the podcast. Thanks for having me.
Of course, so Gabe stray at the Examiner is headlined anti Israel protests
fueled by terror tied dark money groups, quote national security issue, and gave
talks to lawmakers dives into some of these funding streams that I actually find kind
of unthinkable and it seems so obvious that it's a national security issue and so
bizarre that we're only talking about it now that Israel's in the news, and
gave just as you know, some context here. If folks didn't see the
scenes from the protests in DC over the weekend, surely they've seen scenes from
around the country. A man who was standing with a an Israeli flag on
a street corner in California was bludgeoned to death just yesterday, we're talking on
Tuesday, was bludgeoned to death in the last couple of days by a seems
to be a pro Palestinian protester who hit him with a bullhorn. The scenes
on college campuses have been wild, but chance of into fought. We're ringing
throughout the streets of DC by the White House. And your friend, your
friend Sam Mangled Lennett, who co hosts this podcast sometimes or guest hosts this
podcast sometimes, was there was watching it all. He's got something up on
the Federalist if people want to check out sort of a first person perspective on
what happened. But maybe this is a good place to start, Gabe,
because you take a look at some of the specific groups. Who was out
there, I mean, who are some of these groups that have mobilized and
organized different protests and this DC protest in recent weeks. Yeah, I think
the main thing to realize is that it's a lot of the same groups across
the country who are spearheading the anti Israel pro Palestinian protests. And I think
the common denominator we saw is that many of these organizations have extremely opaque funding
ructures which you could probably liken to, you know, essentially like a dark
money mechanism, where so many of these organizations who led that and organized the
protests in DC and other places like New York that have seen significant vandalism and
also arrests, they aren't actually standalone organizations. They're not standalone five to one
seeing three charities, but rather they're fiscally sponsored under another charity, which is
essentially meaning another they're projects of other groups, which means they get the shield
themselves from filing formal financial disclosures or tax forms with the IRS. And a
lot of these groups are under a charity in New York called the Westpac Foundation,
which has for many years been a big proponent and kind of player in
the boycott, divestment, and sanctions against Israel. Movements. An example,
you know, there's a group called the Palestinian Youth Movement, which technically actually
it's not a group, it's a project, but they would frame themselves as
a group. And as an example, this group helped put on that protest
in Washington, DC, and we found that they actually have a writing scholarship
named after an assassinated terrorist leader for the Popular Front Caliberation of Palestine. So
as an example, a lot of these groups, they've either praised terrorists,
they advocate for terrorists from Hamas Palestinian Islamic Jihad or PFLP to be released for
prison, or they've also appeared with ex terrorists or appeared at protests where they've
held signs of protest, you know, posters of terrorists who have committed crimes
and faced prison time for those crimes. I'm sorry, can you flesh out
a little bit more of the connection that you just made with that particular group,
because again, this is one of those just jumps out at you.
So this group has been operating, and I assume you know because you reported
this out it was mostly public information. They're connections and again we're talking about
this in the aftermath of these these demonstrations. But what the heck, how
did you sort of put point A? How did you bring you know,
point A to point B? How did you put two intuit? Yeah there,
Yeah, So as an example, if you go on so if you
see that there's a flyer for all the groups that are doing these organizing this
DC protest in particular, and one is the Palestinian Youth Movement, And if
you go to their website to donate, what you see is they're not actually
their own group because it says donations go to the Westpac Foundations. So that's
how we knew that that first piece. But the second piece is that if
you just kind of digging deep into the organization itself. I mean we saw
that as an example, p y M and a group called Canary Missions profile
this, it's an Israeli watchdog as well. But Palestinian Youth Movement the group
that sponsored that protests. There's pictures on social media of them appearing at protests,
with their activists holding graphics of convicted terrorists, including one named Leila Khalid,
who in nineteen sixty nine hijacked a plane from Rome to Tel Aviv and
then got plastic surgery six times. And then in nineteen seventy tried to hijack
a plane from Amsterdam to New York. So that's a group operating in America
that is openly praising terrorists. I guess just another one i'd point to that
I found particularly notable is another one of these sponsors for this Washington DC anti
Israel protest was a group called Al Alada, which actually similarly is not a
standalone organization, but it's basically sponsored by San Francisco charity called the Progress Unity
Fund, and Al Alada has long been part of the National BDS Committee Coalition,
which itself has included US designated terror groups such as Popular Front for Liberation
of Palestine HAMAS, Palestinian Islamic Jahad, and Palestinian Liberation Front. As another
example of Ala Lata's terroritized they've been led by a woman named Amani al Hindi
Berecott, who literally has praised on social media on Facebook. We we embedded
the Facebook post she's praised HAMAS leader Khalid Michelle as quote unquote excellent. So
they're very open about their support for terrorists. But meanwhile, they're allowed to
enjoy tax benefits by borrowing the tax exempt status from another charity that is operating
in America. Yeah, let's get into that. And again I highly recommend
checking out this article. It will be linked in the description because you can
actually see what Gabe just mentioned the Facebook post. A lot of this is
completely out and open, and I remember actually that was the case with the
Women's March. For example, Tamika Mallory was one of the co founders of
the Women's March, Linda Sarsor of course a lot of people remember her as
well. They were getting profiled in the glossy magazines and had an endless stream
of positive press. And it turned out Peter Hassen did a lot of the
great reporting and the legwork on this. If you just went back on their
social media. A couple of years Tamika Mallory was paling around with Louis farrakhn.
Some of this stuff is it's so in radical leftist circles. It's so
sort of normal that you might have ties to groups like X, Y and
Z, especially in anti Israel issues and Palestinian issues, that you know,
this is again like these are Americans posting about this stuff in America, publicly
chanting into FADA, publicly so, Gabe, there's kind of a legal structure
here with nonprofit regulations that they seemed to be exploiting easily. Yeah, that's
right, and I think, uh yeah, So essentially howscal fiscal sponsorships and
arrangement where a group that is maybe usually more grassroots, loosely organized and not
doesn't have the tools in place to be its own organization, or maybe is
literally just too radical that they can't be. There's Israeli designated terror groups that
are sponsored under American charities because there's no way they will get tax exempt status
in America as an example. Yeah, so what that means is that a
charity provides the fiscal sponsored project a bunch of services, so the project will
pay the charity you know, uh money for donation, processing services, legal
services, human human resources insurance. And this not only gets the project you
know, off the ground and access, it actually allows them to get access
to a major donor network. And we see this particularly with the Tide Center.
The Tide Center is one of the largest sort of donor advised funds in
the country, and they are registered in the US and they're able to incubate
sort of more radical grassroots pro pal standing organizations and give them a platform to
benefit from getting donations and the financial services. And interestingly at Dovetails, we
published another story today on how there's the pro pro Israel think tank or watched
all called the zach Or Legal Institute, which just sent a memo to Congress
calling for them to try to urge the Treasury Department and the IRS to take
a look at this fiscal sponsorship arrangement mechanism because it, in the view of
this organization, it just paves the way for organizations that should not be or
you have access to US services or have TIOR links, to be able to
use the financial system in America in ways that are pretty alarming. Yeah,
So when you talk to lawmakers what you did for the story and other experts,
is it a matter of applying existing laws in a more I guess logical
or a more useful way, or are they talking about passing new laws.
What's the kind of balance as you checked in with people who are in this
field to prevent this in the future, The thought primarily of zach Or Legal
Institute is that the current laws under the Treasury Department, don't they It's essentially
sort of a loophole in the sense that the Treasury Department has something called the
Office of Foreign Assets to Control, and they manage something called the Specially Designated
Nationals and Blocked Persons List, which is a shorter way of just saying the
Treasury Department has a formal way that they sanction people on their list. So
that's for example, as an example, Vladimir Putin is not allowed to gain
access to US money. The Treasure Department would never allow him to gain access
to US bank account. The same goes with certain like leaders of Hamas direct
leaders for you know, terrorist groups. The problem is, according to zachors
that he said that the organization is their thought with like this fiscal sponsor of
arrangement, that there's sort of like fronts for these terror groups, and that
comes in the form of like probably you know, potentially a lot of these
projects, you know all a lot or Palestinian Youth movement, these groups that
have these kind of seeming territized but they're you know, still just operating.
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mentioned, for example, the direct ties to Hamas, again, it just,
you know, I think there is way more organic anti Israel and antisemitic
sentiment in the country than a lot of people realize, partially because students were
kind of being filtered through the system of higher education, in which, you
know, people like Judith Butler, who famously in the nineteen eighties sounded like
Yasir Arafat and said it's important to see Hamas as a part of the global
left and the sort of global anti colonial project, et cetera, et cetera.
So, I mean, I think some of the sentiment is real.
But when you're digging into the scope of groups that exist, I mean,
did that surprise you are there? You know, maybe three big players.
You go into some of the specific groups in a really helpful way in the
piece. But yeah, I mean a lot of people know about care obviously,
what is the kind of landscape of all right, you know, pro
Hamas slash pro Palestinian or pro Palestinian slash sometimes pro Hamas activist groups look like
well, I think a lot of these groups move in lockstep. I've seen
that. Particularly, there's a charity of covered called Alliance for Global Justice in
Arizona sponsor. One of their groups under them that is not its own organization
is a project called Sammy Dune, which is an Israeli designated terror group.
But Alliance for Goal of Justice is certainly a major player because of that,
because Sammy Dune itself has a major coalition that includes just a whole lot of
BDS related groups. So a lot of these groups are kind of they're part
of the same coalitions, they're part of the same they all pretty much are
seemingly part of this court of coordinator movement. I think one way that that
is actually more verifiable is in our story we included how one of these projects
that helped plan that Washington DC protest it's called the Palestinian Feminist Collective, which
is obviously very ironic because I don't think people in gas are very fond of
feminism or anything of that nature. But Palestinians don't a limb or anything game.
But I know, yeah, controversial stuff not accepted in GOSM right,
Palestinian feminist collectives, so they the Palestinian Feminist Collective this group in America,
they did a letter. They wrote a letter a couple of weeks ago,
basically just on October seventh, after the terrorist tax against Israel. They just
kind of expressing support for what they say Palestinian martyrs. The letter itself doesn't
actually say the word Hamas or terrorism anywhere. But if you look at this
letter, it's a whole bunch of coalition groups. But the main thing that
study out to me is that putting aside these actual BDS groups, what you
see is that this same letter was signed by like hundreds of mainstream just American
universities, the gender studies departments at all these universe seas, including University of
Chicago, Ohio State Syracuse, University of Virginia, et cetera. And also
Students for Justice in Palestine Chapters, which is probably another pretty major player who's
been organizing a lot of on college campuses all the anti Israel, a lot
of protests in that group itself has been reported to you know, express support
for Hamas, Hezbola, Palestine Islamic Jaha PFLP. So the whole movement feels
very incestuous. I guess, yeah, that's actually really interesting and you've you've
dug into dark money schemes and nonprofit structures and how the left plays you know,
a pretty interesting game with the nonprofit structures and dark money funding. Is
this pretty much par for the course and what you've seen from other groups?
And of course this doesn't just happen on the left, you know, this
Citizens United does of course in itself a conservative group. But does this sort
of look any different from what we see in other spaces? Are they pioneering
anything kind of new? I mean, I guess the foreign aspect of this
is kind of interesting and frightening in and of itself, but does it follow
what you've you've covered in other spaces. I think that the Palestinian funding like
kind of machine feels actually like the most opaque in most like quote unquote dark
money than any other area, it seems like, and especially because it's putting
aside, it is like literally the far left supporting you know, there is
evidence right of left wing foundations funding many of these, some of these not
the groups we covered the others in the BDS movement, but it's the more
concern is that it's actually potentially terror groups funding some of these more opaque groups
and I think with other sort of dark money arrangements there's more clarity. Like
we've covered as an example, you know, the you know, one of
the rights favorite enemies is Arabella Advisors, this LLC that is a massive consultancy
that manages uh, charities in America that then fund you know, the major,
major kind of demo liberal causes in the country. But a lot of
that funding, well, it can be very opaque if you can find from
tax forms often where the money is flowing between you know, some of those
more just political orientic causes. But something like this becomes very more feeling as
in like straight dark money sense, because a lot of the projects under the
charities being sponsored, they're not even like in America, Sammy Dune operates across
the world and to my knowledge is mostly been headquartered in Gaza, and so
there there's no real you know, groups that give money to Sammy Dude's sponsor,
which is a charity in America, they're not they're not very incentivized to
say where they're giving their money because why would they want to say that,
you know, it's uh, it opens themselves to a lot more legal uh
you know, like legal issues potentially than funding like more you know, not
terror tied American left e charities. Well, can can we like narrow in
on that? Actually, just I know you've talked about this, but I'm
still trying to wrap my head around it because this is sort of intentionally convoluted.
What is the legal mechanism if it exists that they're using to essentially be
headquartered out of Gaza and function as a nonprofit in the US. Yeah,
So Sammy Dune as an example, the group I mentioned, they're not They're
the reason it's the legal mechanism. How it works is like they're not their
own charity. They are an unincorporated project of act of a charity in America,
which means that they're not subject to the same laws that they're the group
that houses them is under. So Sammy Dune. While Sammy Dune has its
own website and seems to be its own organization, they're actually just sponsored and
housed under an American charity that is subject to you know, uh laws with
regard to you know, being based in America and various I R. S
laws. But Sammy Dune, because they're not their own group, they're not
they're not subject to those and that means that they you know, they operate
pretty much across the world. They've been headquartered in Canada, Gaza. They
don't publish financial information, so no one knows, you know, I don't
know what Sammy Dune's uh like assets are like, or with how much money
they pulled in last year. And with American charities you might be able to
find sometimes on tax forms it'll say like you you know, a group will
give a contribution to a sponsor group on forms and you'll be able to see,
oh, this was earmarked for a group under the New Venture Fund and
Arabella Advisors group. But the foreign aspect of this means it just even more
convoluted and opaque because there's just way less disclosure requirements. And are there I
mean, so, for instance, in the pro Israel side, there are
some major donors that have big millionaires billionaires that give to groups like APAC for
example. Are there any sort of high profile or especially repetitive big donors,
high dollar donors that come up when you're looking at these or is it basically
it's too opake to even know the funding sources. Yeah, I mean,
I don't know who's funding a lot of these foreign groups because there's there's really
just no way to know now. As an example, with you know,
every now and then, there might be a small donation that just somehow appears
on like tax forms ten years ago, and you see that. You know,
one way that oftentimes in America that donations flow is that people they won't
give directly two groups or foundations, but they'll give through like what people have
also likened to dark money, sort of like donor advised funds. So one
is like gold as an example, Goldman Sachs has kind of a fund that
people would pour money into and donate. People pour money into and use that
to sort of direct funds to other groups. And when that happens on financial
disclosures, all you'll see is like, you know, Goldman Sacks Trust twelve
million dollar donation and you don't know who actually the sources behind that. And
that's the same kind of being that with Arabel Advisors. That people take issue
is because when let's say it's group the New Venture Fund donates, you know,
five hundred thousand dollars to x X project. Really it's not New Venture
Fund giving that five hundred thousand dollars, but it's rather donors who went to
Arabel Advisors essentially and said, hey, I want to I want to do
this, I want to give to this cause. Can I give it through
New Venture Fund? And New Venture Fund wipes the money clean and gives it
and sort of passes it on the other end. And so it's it does
obscure, you know, completely, who's who's donating money where and to who?
Yeah, no, absolutely, That's the other thing one it asks is
as you were looking into these groups to what extent, I mean, there's
some really clever ways. Hamas itself, for exams simple had a blatantly explicitly
intentionally racist anti Semitic charter in the late eighties that in twenty seventeen, you
know, they basically control left As you know, gave every mention of you
know, Jews for Israel. So it was kind of a clever way to
couch anti Semitism or to to thinly veil their anti Semitism and pretend that it's
anti Zionism or anti uh just anti Israel Israelism. But you know, that's
pretty obviously not the case when it comes to a terrorist group like Hamas As
October seventh is you know, as clear an indication of any Did you encounter
any sort of outright open anti Semitism as you were digging into these groups.
Did you see a lot of you know, similar stuff where it seems as
though this is, you know, anti Semitic activity that is being presented as
or under the pretense of sort of anti Zionist activity. What did that look
like as you were diving into these groups. Well, I think the first
thing is that the leaders of these groups that organize the DC press, they're
very open as far as you know, They've they've on social media expressed support
for terrorists or convicted terrorists. As far as the protest itself, I mean
you saw there was on there was like glory to our martyrs, I believe,
painted places other anti Semitic phrases. I think one other thing is,
yeah, these groups on their social media because they know that's obviously where people
are going to look for them when they look up their group. They're a
little bar covert, but it's pretty clear because I think one thing I've noticed
looking into these groups in the past, like since October and just kind of
covering the a lot of the protel steam groups in America is one good test
I think is if you go in their x or Twitter account, you scroll
down to October seventh, you can pretty much know where they. You know,
typically on October seventh, right, any organization that is a moral compass
posted something along the lines of we condemn hamas terrorism against innocent people. But
on October seventh, for a lot of these groups, all you see is
something like, uh, we applaud our not all you know, stuff about
Palestinian martyrs or things about Israel's genocide. A particular focus literally just on that,
and that's particularly sailing it. Like if that that letter I was mentioned
by the Palestinian Feminist Collective, it literally doesn't even say the word hamas in
that letter, it doesn't even say terrorism or terror. All it says is,
quote, we unequivocally answer and amplify the call from the Palestinian Feminist Collective
we condemn the force removal of Palestinians from the Alosa Mosque, and so on
and so on. Like all their focuses is about their notion of Israel being
a genocidal state. So that, I mean, that's just one way.
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under fire their organization several weeks ago. I mean that was very overt.
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And in some ways this is such an interesting story for you to work on
personally because you do so much work in the free speech space, in the
censorship space. Actually, you got a great shout out from you're from Matt
Taibi at the Doubt Prize last week, for which you were also nominated for
your fantastic work at the Washington Examiner on the Global Disinformation Index. And so
obviously a lot of people on the left, you know, the Harvard President
stands out someone who, when accused of having an inappropriate response to October seventh,
suddenly was reinvigorated by the concept of free expression and speech on college campuses.
But you know, that is a very legitimate concern here because the IRS
obviously targeted the conservative the status of conservative nonprofits under the Obama administration, And
you know, there are regulations that may be tempting to enact or apply now
or to support now that can can easily be turned around in the future.
Although you know, I think in many of these cases it is apples and
oranges with some of these groups. But Gabe, as you were talking to
lawmakers and they were, you know, giving you quotes about this being a
legitimate national security concern, how were they thinking if they were thinking about this,
How are experts thinking about this? How are you thinking about this as
somebody who's covered that question of speech before, especially as it pertains to nonprofit
activity. What what are the or what are the different areas that need to
be balanced here if there are any? Yeah, I mean I think the
I think simply that the you know what we folks are storying around, which
is the terrorism tied element, which are very just very direct with these groups
it changes. I think that they're the interpretation of others like I think Darre
Alisa, Mike Lall or some of these conservative House members, Republican House members.
Some of their inclination is that this is this is a national security issue
because it's not just about a bunch of college students standing outside their dorms waving
a flag and smiling. It's actually about Jewish students being locked in libraries,
uh and being physically attacked on college campuses, all while those other people are
posting on social media in support of you know, uh right, genocide Hamas.
So, I mean, I think it seems to be there's a you
know, the I guess Republicans have made that differentiation between you know, as
far as speech because the terrorism aspect. Another thing I mentioned is one thing
that there was a few reports that there were Democratic staffers and Biden's staffers potentially
at the the Saturday protests in DC. I'm not I'm not entirely sure about
that, but I saw you know a little bit of reporting audience and social
media posts about it, and I think that if that's true, that's that's
super interesting. Maybe, I mean, are these people still employed by the
government after rallying with terrorists? Are these people still having national security clearances?
And it brings me back to the January sixth stuff, because when that happened,
it felt like every other day after j six, twenty twenty one,
there was a new story about like some guy in a maga hat at this
protest or actually inside the capitol, maybe illegally, and writing stories and looking
into his family past. And it seems to me that that would actually lend
itself a lot more to when people are there's designated terror group tied you know,
protesters. So it'd be interesting to see the extent that that happens,
you know, with the with the DC protest and others. I guess the
Rights made some attempt to identify people. There's been like that account stop Anti
Semitism, that's been highlighting people that like rip flyers off of you know,
of like kidnapped the Israeli kids and whatnot. But yeah, right, and
that brings us to the last question I want to ask Gabe. Unless,
as sometimes happens, I will have another question that comes up while I ask
you my last question, So we'll see if that happens here. But the
one that really I wanted to get your thoughts on because sometimes when you do
these stories, you're you're sifting through media reports, and then you're comparing the
media reports or the lack of media reports to public records, and you know
what's been filed, what's not been filed, what's been covered, what's not
been covered. As you were doing that, what did you come away with?
I don't want this to be a leading question, because maybe not,
but did you come away with a take on how the media has covered or
not covered some of these groups? I mean, if it is a leading
question, it's because my expectation is that the media coverage has treated dark money
from pro Israel groups differently than they've treated dark money from proposed Indian groups.
Because some of the stuff that you reported out is stunning, and you know,
belongs in just about every reputable publication, certainly not just the Washington Examiner.
Here in Federalist Radio Hour, as you talk about what you reported out
for the Washington Examiner, do you feel, having gone through all of that,
the media coverage has been good or bad? Yeah? I mean,
anytime someone mentions any of these projects and they're protesting from a transparency perspective,
they should one hundred percent be mentioning the actual charity that they're under, which
operates in America unlike potentially them. And the other thing is just speaking generally
about media coverage. I mean, there's been so many issues on outlet covering
the conflict. I mean, I mean, just one easy example is there's
various outlets that just continue to parrot that allegedly ten thousand people in Gaza are
dead, which is a statistic that is coming derived from the Hamas run health
ministry that has been posting videos on social media of people who are not actually
dead faking dead, and then also planted a widespread propaganda sentiment in American and
global media outlets that a hospital was bombed allegedly bombed, when a parking lot
was actually just struck by a failed by a Israeli rocket. It was actually
a Palestinian rocket. Right. So, and that's one thing that just particularly
comes to mind, just people parroting numbers coming out I'm a designated terrorist group,
as if we actually should trust those numbers. Yeah, another great point,
Gabe. You'd think it would be similar obvious, but well, I
think I say, right, it sounds stupid to say, but it's just
like it's actually just yeah, it shouldn't even need to be said, right,
No, it really shouldn't. But this I just really loved this article.
Again, it's called anti Israel protests fueled by terrortied dark money groups.
That's in the Washington Examiner. It's really detailed and thorough as basically everything that
Gabe writes is. Have you been listening to the show for a while,
you know, he's one of our very favorites. Of course, formally wrote
over here at the Federalist, Gabe, thank you so much for keeping an
eye on all of this and for being willing to chat about it on the
podcast today. Thank you, of course you've been listening to another edition of
the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Dashinski, culture editor here at the Federalist.
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