Hello, and welcome to the show on Martin wilshow host got a great one
for you tonight to lovely ladies. Chris and Ariel are going to be on
the show, and Ariel was at the Ozark Mountain UFO festival that I was
at, but unfortunately we didn't connect there, but I saw too late that
she was there. But anyway, I was on their show. We're going
to talk a little bit about that what they do a show together. Chris
is quite a background. She was involved in all sorts of things and also
a very good friend of a very good friend, Randall Nickerson, who I
actually was in the town of nearby where he lives today, but he's out
west where Chris lives. And next week I'll be uh, I'll be hanging
out with next weekend, I should say I'll be hanging out a little bit
with Randall Nickerson. And a shout out to Deb Coyle, former guests in
the show. She and I have watched this morning out that way and made
it back just in time for the show tonight. So the blog for this
week, Charles Lear wrote UFOs and the Air Force Academy Textbook and a very
interesting blog. You know they had. If you read this blog it's at
podcastsufo dot com, you'll understand how confused our government basically was about what was
going on with UFOs. In that textbook it said that you may encounter UFOs
that would have beings from another from another planet basically, but it was removed
and it was all it was not based on anything solid. But it's a
very interesting blog. Check it out at podcastsufo dot com. I'm going to
introduce our guess in just a minute, but I did want to talk about
Thursday evening, I have a show with Alan Pearce, and this is just
fascinating. In the middle of this book here reading it and basically what he
did was he was reading through Facebook COVID support pages and started reading these stories
about people that were in comas induced comerce medically induced comas that was supposed to,
you know, put you in a state of rest. But these people
did anything but rest. They had these strange like alternate lives that they came
back, not even knowing the families they came back to, and in these
whatever they had, it was almost like an alternate reality. They went to
work, they had jobs, they had spouses and families, and children and
came back and had no idea who was waiting for them in the guest room.
It's going to be a fascinating show. Check out out tonight, sorry
Thursday night, this coming Thursday night, the twenty fifth, and that's at
seven pm right here on this YouTube channel, and that'll also go out as
everything else shows do on the podcast feed tonight. It gives me great pleasure
to introduce our guests, Chris Divine and Ariel Elizabeth. Welcome both of you.
Chris, you're you're muted. Just to keep that in mind. Here
you are. I'll try and remember I have a dog in the background.
That makes me so. I love dogs, and dogs are fine on this
show as long as they don't bark too much. You get some milk bones
nearby so you can throw that. Yeah, we'll we'll keep them from doing
that, at least my husband shall. So Chris, I just want to
first of all say how you and I met, and and my producer Donna
and you and we all met in line at the last year, about a
year from now, almost a year from now six and Washington, d C.
We met in line and you brought the donuts. You're always going to
be remembered as the person that brought the donuts for everyone. Very nice,
and I forgot I brought donuts until you reminded me. Actually, but yeah,
I brought the donuts because then you'd be in line for quite some time.
Since Randall called me, he went over the night before. He was
first in line. He went at nine o'clock, and he was kind enough
to say, go ahead and go to bed and I'll call you in the
morning. I had that's funny. I had called Randall, and my producer
and I both slept in close ready to go, and I said, Randall,
if people start showing up. He spent the night overnight waiting in line
and crossed the street. When they figured out that it was going to be
easy to go through the tunnel, they would get in a little bit early.
Luckily someone had told him that. So he spent the night overnight there
and it was incredible, and like I think it was five o'clock in the
morning he called. I told him, if people start showing up, you
call me. I don't care what time it is. So they started showing
up. So I got there at five point forty and you know, we
waited line and met you. But I think the funniest thing about that whole
situation is Randall snoring on the front seat in the middle of the hearing.
Oh no, I didn't realize that. See nobody that part of the story.
Yeah, oh no. Yeah, But anyway, it was a crazy
time. But unfortunately you were a couple of people behind myself and my producer
and did not get in the room as lucky as I was to get in.
Yeah, it was really a bummer, but we did enjoy the time
we had in the overflow room. So we took advantage of that moment because
we got to react and you know, laugh and and you know it just
have our emotional reaction out loud. So that was kind of nice. Well,
you know, it's funny. When I was in the back of the
room, I had an extender stick form my iPhone and I said, I
was told you can't even take pictures, otherwise it would have brought great,
you know, better equipment or whatever. But the guy at the door said,
no, you can take picture, you can film. I don't care
as long as you don't disrupt anyone. So anytime you look for a picture
of the hearing in the back corner of the room. You will see a
phone sticking up in the air. That's me. Yeah, I filmed the
whole thing. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that was a great experience.
It was. It was amazing. Yes, it's very weird to think
that a year has passed. So much has changed in our world in that
short amount of time. So I know, but has it I'm starting to
wonder, you know, like has it or has not? Have things more
or less stayed the same. And I don't really know what to think about.
I know, the way things are going is kind of in a we're
a little bit in a dip, I think, which I've seen all,
you know in the uh you know, thirteen years of doing the show.
I've seen the valleys and peaks, and then we get all excited and then
ends up being something like the roswell slides all a bunch of bs. You
know, you're all excited about everything. But yeah, so you helped Randall
Nickerson a lot with his uh yeah, so what was your involvement with the
aerial phenomenon? Really it was after the after the show, he and I
met him at the UFO Congress Mesa and he had mentioned he needed some help
with some projects and I was like, hey, I can go, I'll
do it, and I like, literally, it's kind of probably one of
the craziest things I have ever done. I mean I literally counted on the
fact that this person was a UFO celebrity to protect myself. Really kind of
crazy. But any regrets, absolutely not. It was really one of the
most it was. I spent a week out where he's at. He has
a trailer next door, so I hold up in the trailer for the week
and helped him on just various projects. I like to think I was helpful
in pushing him to move the movie onto some of the platforms like Apple and
stuff, because he you know, you'll I'm sure he'll express on your show.
He went through some challenges with some licensing, some things that happened,
so afterwards it was kind of like what do we do now? And it
was a hard pill for him to swallow to put out, you know,
the film on those platforms when they take so much of your funding. I
know. But good thing he didn't go to ten twenty one, right,
because they ended up you know, all these people are not getting any of
their money and lots and what I mean we're talking I believe a huge amount
of money that these people are all owed. And well, he had his
own challenges and he kind of is getting a little bit more. He doesn't
name names, but he's a little bit more public about what happened, and
it really just kind of screwed him, like the ten twenty one people essentially.
So yeah, so anyways, I just really just helped him. I
helped him go through emails. It was just really kind. And then there's
some other projects he was working on that I, you know, I don't
want to discuss, but that he that I was able to kind of assist
with and participate in. And you know, I'm more of an administrative person,
operational person. That's kind of my background. So I was in healthcare
for thirty years, but it's more systems, processes, organization, things like
that. So I just said, hey, I can come out and help,
and really we just developed a friendship. It was really like a unique
time to spend like a week in the life of somebody who had this fascinating
life, has this fascinating life, and to see how he did the film
and what he put into the film, and it was just really such a
blessing. And then we've just connected ever since. You know, we just
stay friends and uh he he relays, he listens to all my crazy theories
and he bounces back with me. And it's been just a fun friendship.
You know, somebody I can trust in the community that it's really hard to
find. Uh Oh yeah, it draws some interesting people, I'll put it
that way, that's sure. So this is very basically you know, the
film if you haven't seen it yet, you know, I'm gonna have Randolan
for a few minutes next week. But this, this whole film, you
know, the Ariel phenomenon is just an amazing He is such a extreme uh
what I want to call him. He's just a perfectionist. And his uh
you look at his African photography of you know that he did there with the
lions and elephants and giraffes and things like that, and it is amazing,
his amazing work. And then he put that to uh this movie, you
know, that same you know aspect to this movie and did a wonderful job
with it. And he's a wonderful person. So anyway, and it's been
really I've really enjoyed helping him in any any way. I can you know,
I think that is such a story. It's what I consider the Areel
phenomenon, you know, and there could be people listening that have no idea
what we're talking about. When when every every time someone is the sixty five
school children, it was more than that sixty five were able to talk about
it, you know, and they all saw this and they were not in
an area where he gets a TV program about UFOs. And the same thing
with a Deb Coyle who I was with today. She was also in South
Africa, Africa and had a school yard sighting herself before that, and you
know, she had one channel that you know, went off the air at
whatever time, nine o'clock at night, and there was no such thing as
UFO. She had no idea what she was looking at. And same with
these children. You know. It's just one of those stories. Yeah,
so now we get to find out about Ariel Elizabeth, yeah, you know,
not to be confused with the And it's so funny. When I very
first saw your name on Twitter, I go, oh, does she have
something to do with the Ariel none or something like that, say that,
yes, everyone thinks that at first. In fact, I'll often get people
calling me Elizabeth because they don't think that Ariel is my first name. They
think it's associated with the UFO sighting. So I'll have to say, no,
my first name is actually Ariel. My middle name is Elizabeth. So
yeah, yeah, But anyway, uh so, it was a pleasure being
on your show and you two interviewing me. That was different and that was
fun and uh you know, so I'm going to throw some of those type
of questions at y'all. I say that now because I live part time in
South Carolina. So but so, I guess I'm gonna ask you first,
Ariel, what is everyone has kind of like the most the case that they
think is the most profound one, you know. And it's okay for you
to say the Aerial School because it's in your name, you know. But
anyway, do you do you have like a go to list of things that
you just think are phenomenal as far as the UFO encounters. I do,
and I've really not scratched the surface when it comes to UFO cases and really
doing deep dives, but I've definitely dabbled here and there. And of course
you know, the Roswell, the Aerial School, those are compelling and those
are almost you know, synonymous with the UFO phenomenon at this point. But
I really love there's a couple that I really love. I really love Rendall
sham Forrest. I know that some people say that it's already ben debunked,
and that's fine, but I just, I don't know, I find it
very compelling, you know, the multiple witnesses, the military involved. I
think there was even like physical evidence it was left behind, you know,
radiation levels, marks on the ground, and so yeah, I've listened to
some podcast episodes on that, and it's funny that you should talk about sightings
that involve children because one of my favorite sightings is called I don't know if
you're familiar with it, but it's called the broad Haven Primary School UFO Sighting,
and it was a UFO sighting in Wales that occurred in Wales. I
think it was the Yeah, I think it was the nineteen seventies, and
it actually coincided with a UFO flap that was taking place during that time in
Wales, and so people all over that area we're seeing strange things in the
sky. But at this elementary school, I think it was like sixty seventy
kids who were at recess and they saw a cigar shape craft and I think
it landed kind of out out past the schoolyard in a field, and the
headmaster, the principal kind of dismissed it. But they actually ended up having
the children drop pictures of what they saw, and you know, sure enough,
the pictures were all very eerily similar. So yeah, yeah, there
it is, there it is. It's it's an interesting one. It's so
interesting. Yeah, the drawings and yeah, that's so. I remember this
kid too, Yes, he turned out pretty good. And it changed,
it changed these people's it changed to some of the trajectory of these kids' lives.
Sure, oh, how can it not, you know what I mean?
And I you know, there's a lot of there's this is I've had
this discussion I had, you know, Preston did a book on school yard
you know, schoolyard sightings, and you know, I mean the question comes
up why. And you know, school kids are impressionable, that is,
they're that age. And also you know, there's like an innocence about them.
You know, they're not going to get a machine gun and start firing.
You know, for one, that's a truly good point. And it
might be easier for the beings to even communicate telepathically with children, because the
children are most often the ones that report, you know, feeling feelings or
getting telepathic messages about the environment, and so you know there might be something
to that as well. Right, Yeah, I think they're fascinating all the
school yard settings. And besides step Coyle, who I just mentioned, you
know, early earlier on, you know, I had some contact me from
Oakland that grew up in Oakland, California, and there was a bright gold
object that came over their school yard when he was in the sixties, when
he was there, and it just there's a lot of them. I mean,
until Preston Dennett's book came out when he started researching all the different school
yard encounters, I had no idea there were as many as there were.
I think there's over one hundred documented schoolyard UFO sightings, and one of them
a person recently, not that long ago, told me about them actually in
seventh or eighth grade something like that, these silver objects over there, you
know, when they were outside and did not want to talk about it publicly.
But I mean, it's pretty amazing how many times it seems to happen.
One of my theories I have several because I was in the San Diego
area, but where my sightings were in my backyard and over a canyon.
There was a church there, but there was also a school yard there,
and I always wondered because you know, the sidings were between three and four
pm, three four thirty pm always every day, and I would always wonder
if there was something about the students getting out of school at that time and
some energy or whatever it is. So it has crossed my mind. I'm
going to have no evidence of that. It's just something I do think about
in relation to these other cases. Right. I'd never do this enough.
I want to thank everyone that's in chat and watching the show live here and
Thomas No, I do not know of any school yard tightings in New Hampshire,
but I will. If you want to post a question as we go
along here, please try to put it in caps and I will. I
will get it up there. And I want to say, hidas Shane.
Shane is from down Under. It's their winter. I do believe down there.
But Shane has been chiming in on this show for at least ten years.
It's pretty amazing cool so yeah. But and Bobby, Bobby and I
have known each other, Bobby and I, Bobby Hernandez. Bobby and I
met in North Carolina back in two thousand and thirteen, so eleven years ago.
I was at a conference down there and he went to the same conference
that we hung out. We had a really good time and we've been in
touch ever since. It's so amazing how that works in this community. That's
one of the things I value. Oh me too. I was just at
the Moufon event and you know, one of the things I said when I
started, I was in a hot tub and somehow I ended up here,
you know, and it's like, you know, and it's a beautiful place
to be with a very interesting people. And I say something that happened to
move On I haven't really talked about, but because I think it's it's pretty
funny. It sounds exciting at first, but it's not so. Chris DePerno,
who I've known from we were on a show together a little while.
He's in the New York move On. I think he's said he's the head
of the New York State move On. I believe. So he says,
hey, there's two guys over at the bar and so he says, one's
NSAY in the other's FBI. So I go, really, so, wow,
that's something. How do you know? And he says, because I
saw this logo in the shirt. And I asked him and he said,
yeah, you know, I'm retired and all that. So I go upstairs
and tell my producer Donna. I said, I can't believe this, you
know, sitting at the bar, and she goes, let me at him,
let me out him. I got to find out why they're here.
So, you know, we went down to the lobby shore. I went
right up to them and like sat down right next to them, you know,
ready to buy them a drink, and hear why they're here, you
know, and so they're just they're both retired FBI. And we had long
conversations with them both, and they're fascinated by the topic. It's Russ and
tr they were at. They came across country, drove across country to go
to the move on event. They just wanted to check it out and see
what was like. And they really enjoyed and really enjoyed it. But they're
Russ wanted me to he's from the NSA. He wanted to make sure that
everyone knew he was not there for the NSA. He was there out of
self interest, he said, even if he had an interest in UFOs and
had something to do with it. It's in these little, tiny compartments everyone
has a little bit of information. And of course, later on tr from
the former FBI said, you know that was their downfall and the reason why
nine to eleven happened is because everything's compartmentalized and there's no one analyzing. They
do now, that changed, but there's no one analyzing the overall data coming
in. So it's the same thing they in the NSA. As far as
he said, if someone was working on something to do with UFOs, they
would only know a little part of it. And then it's the overseer of
a grouping that would know the full you know, what's going on, but
you know they keep it that way purposely, so no one can, you
know, leak secrets like Snowden or you know, someone like that Wiki leaks
but fascinating. But they weren't there too, you know, they weren't there
in nefarious ways. They were just there out of curious curiosity. But fun
to talk to them anyway. I was. I can't remember which conference I
was at, but maybe it was the the Contact in the Desert, but
somebody mentioned that there was a large volume of X three letter agency people attending.
I don't remember who said that to me, but it was pointed out
interestingly enough. Well, you know, it's like I think, I think
there's a lot of interest. Now let me tell you something that that russed
and I think this is fascinating. I wanted everyone to hear this. Okay,
he set up something like it was the NSA's Wikipedia type of program.
He helped set that up. So it was with all the government secrets that
cannot be shared, and they're all in this like Wikipedia type search engine that
you know, is very very secure for them to get to. And guess
what the number one search was when it went live? And these are by
agents. Is there anything to the UFO topic number one sert of everything?
Wow, everybody wanted to know. That is fascinating. Yeah, really fascinating.
So I go, well, but no information, no information. Yeah,
But anyway, I think that just demonstrates that there is a lot of
interest in this topic. It doesn't matter what someone does, you know,
they're they're interested in this topic. And I think, you know, possibly
when you have that type of job, you have a lot of water cooler
talk and things like that that may, you know, get your interests a
little more in that that type of thing. I'm not sure. And probably
just the nature of investigative mindsets, you know, those people who like to
investigate things, because that's kind of how I feel like. I have an
interest in true crime as well for some reason. You know, it's that
mindset of figuring out the mystery. Oh yeah, you can never you can
never figure out the brain. I mean you look into some of these I've
watched a couple of those things and it's like, and I do like,
actually, that's an interest in mine as well, and it's it's fascinating only
because you just can't understand the mindset of how these people go so so far
off, so wrong. I want to say, but let's see if this
we have any questions. Uh no, again, anyone can post any questions
and we may even take calls a little bit later on. So you're you're
actually in Chris, you are actually in the Scottsdale or yeah, you're in
Arizona. Yeah, and what's the area you're in? Area I am from
Nebraska. Oh, Nebraska. Oh yeah, everyone always says corn Huskers.
I know, I know. I used to live and I lived in Colorado
for three years and a whole bunch of people from from Nebraska that actually was
working at an auction hall. I was uh in in uh that from Nebraska.
All they did was talk about football. Yep, really it is.
It is a whole thing. And yeah, yeah, Nebraska in their football.
It's just it's a whole thing. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, so
you're actually telling me that you drove to the Ozaks. That was only eight
hours from Yes, yes, that was so. That was in Eureka Springs,
Arkansas, and that was only about eight hours from us, so we
could make it in a day. It was a really pretty drive. Wow.
Yeah, yeah, very nice. So let's talk at a little bit
about your program. It's now it's not so easy to find if you search
for it because there's a million Elephant in the room type of podcasts. Right,
yeah, yeah, what's the right We need some SEO help. That's
definitely something we'd love to have. But yeah, so we It is called
the Elephant in the Room four one one on YouTube, oh for one one?
Oh okay, I get it and so yeah, so that might help
find it easier, but it's still a little bit difficult. Ariel and I
are on X so we are usually found through there. Yeah. Yeah.
And when when you find your guests, is it just the same way I
do. You just reach out to them and they say yes or no,
or you don't hear back from them. That's kind of what I found.
This happened to start. It's always the hardest to start one of these things.
I mean, someone contacted me. I've never had a guest on before,
and it said, okay, I'll be on, because I know how
hard it is it is to get something like that going no one, you
know, it's hard. I reached out. First person I reached out to
in twenty eleven was Stanton Friedman, and he ended up being on. He
did not come on my show, but he ended up coming on like four
or five people later, and he was on at least a dozen times.
But so, but it's it's so uh, it's so difficult to get the
first one. And finally Steve Bassett said I'll be on. So yeah,
I always have a place for Steve Bassett because he helped me get started.
So actually it actually wasn't that difficult though for us. Chris, well,
you're pretty young, ladies. We talked it all up to our brains.
I'm telling you, that's right. I know. Well, that's that's how
you that's how you. Uh, you know, you have to get the
attraction first, you know, like people look at me and go, you
know. But anyway, you know, I think really to where Ariel sing
it really Ariel had a really strong presence on X and I had a semi
strong presence on X, and we had been on the platform for a couple
of years and developed a lot of relationships, and I think that helped.
By the time we decided to start something, we already knew people and and
like for example, Christy Newton was our first guest and I met her through
Randall. So it just you know, it worked out where that kind of
gave us the momentum and we weren't we weren't afraid. Of course, we've
had our bigger turndowns by like you know, the bigger shows, but everybody's
been so kind to us and really generous with their time. So yeah,
yeah, that's that's the way, you know, I mean, I think
it should be and you know, I don't know what people think that.
You know, people don't get paid. You know, no one gets paid.
They're just willing to come on and and talk and it's a lot of
fun. And you know, I only discovered that because I started out with
an antique podcast years before, and you know how people like, sure,
I'll come on and talk, and you know, maybe i'll plug my whatever,
you know, my antique store or whatever it is. You know.
So here's here's a question here opposed to you do either of our guests have
any thoughts on the Betty and Barney Hill incident, truth or hoax? Any
any thoughts on that one? I tend to be I guess maybe as I'm
a little biased as an experiencer, so I tend to give people the benefit
of the doubt that it is probably true. I have no reason not to.
I haven't done a deep dive on most cases, to be honest with
you, I kind of more of a skimmer right now, as I'm going
through school, I don't do a lot of deep dives. But I think
it's it's probably real. What about you, Aria, Oh, I think
there's I think something happened to them for sure. I don't know exactly what
happened to them. You know, there's always that question of are people physically
taken or are they just experiencing some sort of altered state of consciousness where they
think they're being taken. But I definitely feel like something anomalois happened to them
that night. And I know that I know someone that actually spoke to Simonson,
the hypnotist, and he basically said that he himself didn't really think that
happened, but he thinks that they did believe they weren't they weren't trying to
pull the wool over anyone's eyes, but he does think that, you know.
You know, the bottom line is they experienced something and they believe it
right, you know, And that's kind of what John Mac you know,
used to say. You know, these people aren't crazy, but you know,
they something happened, you know, when they're you know, they they
believe it, you know, and I think that's, uh, it's a
very powerful thing, you know. And speaking of that, I heard you
say, Chris, you're an experiencer. Did you want to talk about that?
Sure? Excuse me, sure, yeah, I would consider myself an
experiencer about so in about March of twenty twenty one, I started hearing a
couple of stories about a UAPs over like New Mexico, and it struck me
because my mom's from Clayton, New Mexico, and that's where I was flying
over, and I I it got my attention. And then shortly after that,
I got a hold of George Knapp and Jermy Corbel I like to call
him my my uh uh gateway drug to ufology, because I just started listening
to them and they were talking about a couple of cases outside of San Diego,
and it intrigued me, but I didn't realize like how I guess intrigued
or I quickly got into the subject. And by well July fourth of that
year is what I believe was my first what I consciously was aware of,
my first encounter over San Diego in my backyard. I believe it was.
It was an orb It it was going according to my measurements, and I've
done the math. I obviously don't know the distance of the object, but
it was. It did go behind the tree, so I know it was
on the other side of the canyon. And then I measured approximately the shortest
distance it could have traveled and it was going at least two hundred and twenty
seven miles an hour. It changed colors. It was bright, it was
white, a small white light, and it was moving very fast. It
would burst into bright white light, blue haze around it, and then sometimes
it would turn into a smaller orange light and it traversed across the canyon and
back. My daughter her boyfriend were there. We got it on several different
cameras because I had a night vision camera that we actually captured it on because
I had got into the topic and I decided to get a camera, and
it's just total fluke. First time we took it out of the box,
my daughter was filming and I was chewing on a bag of chips. You
can hear me, and I'm and we see something and I might get it,
you know, like I'm not really you know, get it. And
then like once we start looking at it, it's just like, what is
that is? You know, this can't be a drone. It's moving way
too fast. I'm in two flight zones. There's a lot of different analysis
that I finally decided, Okay, this is something. And then of course
I was like intrigued, you know, I started doing deep dives and to
my own experience and realizing that I probably like opened myself, you know,
up to just being open to having an experience. But what I've later learned
is I was also going through like a deep traumatic time exiting my career.
I had a bunch of medical issues that were happening to me, and so
it all was literally at the same time. So I have a very strong
hunch that that experience that people go through kind of instigates maybe contact or these
anomalous experiences that people have. And then after that, I ended up seeing
daily orbs for I mean almost on a daily basis, and I captured hundreds
of them over my backyard. It's very hard to capture with a cell phone,
but I did many and many many witnesses. I saw black cubes going
across my canyon. I've seen things that look like the jellyfish short of going
across the canyon. I've got those on film. So something in that area
to me, it's a hot spot, you know. And once I studied
more and learned about hot spots, and you know, I feel that that's
it's there. And I've tried to get many people to go and investigate I
have one person who has a vehicle that they've outlined with like ten measuring devices,
so I'm hopeful that they'll get a chance to go down and we would
observe them like I could. I could look at the sky at three eleven
PM, four eleven pm and a little white orb would be there and it
would move and it would disappear. We would see other craft and the videos
after that. So again, you know, maybe it's something prosaic that people
can argue, but whatever it was, it changed my experience of reality,
you know, my understanding of reality. Yeah. Now I'm just trying to
get the timeline here. So was did all this happen after you started listening
to Jeremy Corbela or before? I would say after the almost As a matter
of fact. One thing I remember very specifically is we came to Arizona for
an event in May. Eric and I my husband, drove back to San
Diego through the desert, through the Sultan Sea and it was like really weird
down there. I don't know if you've ever been to the Sultan Sea,
but it's just like really weird, which you know, UFO stuff everywhere,
like, and we listened to them all day long. It was May the
fourth be with you. And I'm not into sci fi or anything, but
it stuck out of my head because it was May fourth. I can tell
you when I say the first sighting I was aware of was July fourth.
I have a daytime ORB capture on May seventh that I found later on and
I'm filming it and I'm in it's daytime, big ol'd, white, flaky
looking, and I'm telling my dad, well, technically it's a UFO,
and like, I completely forgot that I had that. So essentially, May
fourth was that trip. May seventh was that first orb. And then I
have to tell you, and this is the crazy part that I tend to
edit out of my story a lot, but there was a time when I
was sitting over the canyon during this time, reflecting on this, and I
felt an impression of a number coming into my head thirty two sixty seven forty
five. Still have no idea what that is, but it felt meaningful.
And this is right prior to my sighting. So it's a very strange series
of events that happened and kind of took me through this dark night of the
soul. And can you give you that number one more time, I'm going
to play the lotterysearch. Oh gosh, yeah, wow, so weird.
So anyway, that's kind of been the essence. And I've had several you
know, I see orbs frequently at night. To me, they're not hard
to see anymore, but I see. I've had a couple of daytime sightings
since I've been here in Phoenix, which has been very few, but they
have I have captured them. So I don't know what to make of it,
you know, other than this is why I'm here. Wow, pretty
amazing. Yeah, you know, And sometimes it is like I hear of
certain people that just seem to see a lot and it doesn't there's nothing that
really makes any sense why, but it just happens. Maybe it is a
hot spot. But this particular person I'm thinking of right now has moved to
different places and still see things. Yeah. Yeah, So this person wanted
to know if you ever reported any of these things. You know, It's
funny, I cannot remember. I remember going through the process. I don't
remember if I submitted it because I tell Eric and I were just at Randall's
event this week and at move On and he's like, did you ever report
and I said, you know, for some reason, I remember feeling very
frustrated in the reporting process at that point, so I either attempted to I
don't know if I submitted it, but I remember feeling overwhelmed. And I
don't remember what the nature of the questions were, but whatever it was didn't
like connect with me at the time. So when I was the MC at
the MOFON symposium, I asked for a show of hands for how many people
think they have seen a UFO and there was quite a few hands when up.
And then I said, how many of you reported that sighting? And
only one hand went up of all those people, and I said, you
know, it's not surprising at all. You know, usually it's like ten
percent, but this is one hand, and probably you know, thirty or
forty people that said, you know, they saw something they couldn't explain.
And so I have to tell you I my sighting in two thousand and seven,
I never reported it, and from what I understand, you can always
report it. Oh wow. But the only thing is I don't remember the
exact date. I don't even remember exactly what month it was. I know
that sounds crazy, but in California, all the month seems to kind of
blend together, you know, as far as the weather goes and everything.
So I just can't remember. Well. One of the strangest things, Martin,
that happened during that time. I was filling up all my jug drivers
discs or whatever they're called, with video, you know, of all this
footage I was capturing, and I was desperate one day, and so I
found an old camera that had broke, and I went to it and I
pulled out the disc that was in it, and I opened it up and
there was a series of pictures and I remember the camera was broken, and
my husband had even taken it to the camera shop. They said they couldn't
fix it. And I there was a series of pictures in there, a
still photography, and they're like seconds apart, and it's literally the sky I
dated back, Like what were we doing on that date. We were traveling
to Taft, California, where Eric's dad lives, so it was somewhere on
that road. And there's a series of images of still shots and you can
see a tic tac I mean formed like there's images of like almost like cloud
dark cloud spots at some point and then very clear tic TAC image, multiple
shots of it, like over the road. And the thing about it is
none of us remember being like thinking we saw UFO or stopping it was twenty
thirteen, but we have these pictures. And then I remembered the camera broke
after that, and that's why I'd never taken the disc out. Wow.
Wow, that is something someone had sent me. You know, they had
developed a film or something that was from an old camera and it looks like
a UFO. And I get a lot of people send me pictures all the
time, and I think, I hate to say this live, but I
think believe one of you has to turn down your speakers a little bit.
It's feeding back some So as long as you can hear me talking, and
it's uh, there is a little feedback going through. And I'm not sure
who it's from. I still do. I still hear it coming through.
So all you need to do is just hear it enough so you can hear
hear what I'm saying. It's coming through again. But anyway, you know
that whatever is captured on film, it's coming through. Let's see. Okay,
it's on your end, Chris, but I think you got it.
It sounds pretty good. Now okay, so the lines are open if you'd
like to call and ask our guests tonight some questions that numbers eight five,
five, four, seven, eight three. Uh. Every once in a
while someone will call in. We don't get a lot of callers. A
lot of people. Hey, Mark, Mark Stanley, great musician, he's
in the he's in the chat. Good to see you, Mark. But
uh, yeah, I mean, you got to admit that this is a
fascinating topic. That's why you're doing it. Ariel, did you ever have
any UFO experience or what made you have an interest in this topic to begin
with? I just feel like I've really had just an innate curiosity since I
was a child. I've always been a sci fi nerd, grew up on
Star Wars and Star Trek and just kind of, you know, an interest
in astronomy, meteorology, curious about, you know, nature, the you
know, the mysteries of the world. Just looking up at the skies and
wondering if we're alone. That's just kind of always been something that I've wondered
about and contemplated. But my maternal grandfather, he did have an experience with
a metallic disc when he was a teenager, he and his friends were traveling
in a car on a rural road and they saw a metallic disc covering it
about the height of a telephone pole, and they all piled out of the
car and they watched it hover there for thirty seconds a minute, and then
it zipped off in no sonic boom, no noise. And ever since then
he's been very into the topic. And he has all the old art bell
cassette tapes and yeah, and so he was always kind of when my grandma
wasn't around. My grandma hated when he talked about aliens and UFOs around the
grand kids, but when he when she would walk away, he would be
like, hey came here and they'd like show me books. And so yeah,
he really I think passed kind of that curiosity down onto me. Well
that's awesome. That's really great to hear that. Yep, you know,
because it it seems like you know, I mean, I hear this a
lot. There's not like a lot of it doesn't seem like a lot of
young people actually show up at you know, events, But you know,
I was I some listener that came up to me. It was pretty young.
You know, she's a grad student now and uh when I was in
Texas. So there are young people that have interest, but and it's people
like you that can get more people invigorated to you know, we have to
keep this thing going, I think, and you know, I mean,
I do feel you know, I said, I feel like we're in a
lame spot. Possibly we are, but I also feel like there's momentum like
we've never had before, you know what I mean. Will there be more
hearings, Will that make a difference. I don't know, We'll We'll just
have to wait and find out, you know, and just and just go
along and keep doing our thing. So what's some guests you would say that
you had on the show that you find really interesting? Either one of you
I want to talk about that, I would. I mean, we've had
some We've been really lucky and blessed by the community and had just some everyone
we've had we've loved having. But some that you know that really stick out,
or like doctor James Madden. He's a philosopher and a professor and an
author, and he really he was really popular with our guests. He's just
very good at taking some complex you know, philosophy and thoughts in applying it
to the topic and really kind of just giving a different perspective of kind of
what his philosophy is of the topic. So that was a really great show,
you know, I don't know, we've had just some of our I
my most favorite recent one, I think was with Dove and she's just a
I shouldn't say just but a member of the community who had never really gone
on a podcast before. And she did a deep dive on the King in
Arizona case, and it's just she did a phenomenal job. She broke it
down in so much detail. She's a queer, you know, researcher,
and I really like just appreciated that aspect of giving other people the opportunity to
express their passions in a way you know that you know, just kind of
builds the community. I guess I thought that was really special. Yeah,
I agree. Those type of guests are really very interesting and special. I
mean I caught a guy one time. Uh, I forget exactly how,
but I heard him say something about having meeting someone from Project Blue Book back
when he was a kid. So I go, wait a minute, wait
a minute. So I actually got him on the show. He's only done
two shows that I'm aware of. I got him hooked up on another show,
and he was fascinating. These people that have never talked about this before.
They he was only like nine years old. He wrote wrote the Air
Force. Next thing, you know, trying to remember who was leading Project
blue Book at the time, showed up at his door and with another guy
and they came in with books and said it looked like this, did it
look like this? You know that type of thing, and then separated him
from his parents. They're like, really grillam, you know, wow.
But I love stories like that when someone's just you know, they're not like
a regular, you know, UFO person. They haven't talked about it.
Yeah. I love having those type of Martin. This is a totally off
the wall random question, but have you ever tried to get Bob b Azar
on your show? No, I've I don't believe that Bob's coming on anytime
soon, you know, And it just feels like there's been so many people
that have gone after him, trying to get him on their show for whatever
reason. For you know, maybe they believe him, maybe they don't.
I'm kind of the jury's out for me on Bob. I don't know.
You know, I've kind of gone back and forth over the years on him,
but I'm just I was just curious if you'd ever tried to get him
on, because he's just one of those guests that, like people are always
trying to hound and get on their show. Yeah. No, I don't
think he's He's coming on too many shows, you know. I mean I
saw him in and and Phoenix, you know, briefly, didn't talk to
him or anything. But you know, if I start giving my opinion on
Bob Bazaar, then I will get the continued hate mail that I usually get
whenever I bring it up. Oh boy, Oh yeah, so we'll we'll
steer it back then, Sorry about that. That's all right, that's all
right. You know, I'll just tell you my philosophy, and you know,
I'll probably get the the hate mail. Anyway. I had this discussion
out at the moof ON conference with a couple of people that are all in
with Bob Blazar, and I said, I do believe that he has enough
information where he's probably like taking on the persona of someone he knew very very
well, that knew all these inside details. But there's no way that he
could have ever had that type of job, because they could not give that
clearance to that type of person that has, you know, his background.
It just would not he would not get that clearance. And of course people
always say, oh, there's a ways around that and blah blah blah blah.
But why why would they give a photo processor and someone that was involved
in a bordello, you know, this top top, top secret clearance.
It just wouldn't. I don't think it would ever happen. But I think
that he might have been very close to someone that had all the information.
And that's my take on it. If anyone wants to look at my blog
about that, it's called Muddying the UFO Waters and that's on my website,
and I have a whole kind of information and documents and things that are very
you know, very thorough on on Bob Bazaar and argues for and against whether
a story is real. But it's always a it's always a fascinating topic to
talk about, you know. But there are people that have It's just like
everything else in this country. There's people that have very very strong opinions.
And if you don't see it my way, you're you're bad. Yeah,
you know really like it's so unfortunate, you know. I hope we can
dial back some of that and get to a point where we can disagree on
things and and just talk about them, you know, and like we used
to. Yes, so we know about area fifty one. I'm not saying
that Bob Blazar didn't know some things, if you were really listening to me,
I I am just basically saying that I think he knew someone that knew
a lot of the things he knew that you know, Uh, he did
not go to MIT. That is one hundred percent, you know true,
there's I know someone that did a deep dive and can go deeper than probably
the government could expunge records, and who he'd never had any And he didn't
even know, if you know, anything about MIT when he was questioned in
a public venue. So uh, he had no idea what the square was
out in front of Kendall Squares right there. He had no idea anything about
that. So anyway that hate mail, she'll arrive anything now, that's okay,
not necessary? Yeah, yeah, So we have anything exciting coming up
on your show, and where can people find you? That's what they always
want to know. I do believe you have a link. I have links
that's right, links below down in the show notes for all that. And
now let me just ask you. Is it weekly? Bi weekly? Is
bi weekly? Right? It's about bi weekly? Yeah, we've been trying
to do every couple of weeks at least, and then of course you know
everyone, so by by monthly or by month? Ye? By monthly,
by monthly? Yeah, every two weeks, so correct. Here's a this
is a publicist that I know here, bamby, How how you doing?
I would like to see the Vaticans representative for the UFO topics and learn about
the observatory in the Southwest. Yeah, that's an amazing observatory from what I'm
told, and supposedly. I no, I could go conspiratorial, but there's
the they hint that they have a lot of information. I'll put it that
way. And that's here right in Phoenix. Yeah, I think it is.
I think it's in the Southwest. I think I only recently heard about
that, So yeah, something that would be cool to look into. Yeah,
so your show is by monthly every other month is? Oh no,
no, no, it's twice a month. Twice a month. Oh okay,
you know how Okay, yeah, I got it. I got it.
I was thinking I was thinking backwards. Yeah, twice a month,
yep. Yeah, consistency is a rule. And uh, you know,
you know, do you actually go into other topics as well or do you
stick to the UFO topic mostly I think, uh, I mean, we
pretty much stick to the UFO topic, right Areel. But we've had you
know, we talked about, well, we talk about we talk about Yeah,
we talk about all aspects connected to it. So we talk about consciousness,
we get into sometimes cryptids. Yeah, you know, science. We're
going to be hopefully across our fingers have one of the a world renowned expert
on simulation theory come on hopefully in September, and so you know, we'll
we'll dig into simulation theory and yeah, anything that basically connects to the UFO
topic, you know, the Book of Enoch, some of those biblical concepts.
Sometimes we dig into those, and so, yeah, we cover a
lot, We cover a lot, and it's a lot of fun. Yeah,
Yeah, it's great. Well, I can't believe how fast things went.
We're already at the end and thank you both so much. And it's
been a real pleasure getting to know both of you, and good luck for
the show. Keep at it. Yes, thank you for having us and
just giving us this opportunity. And we loved having you on our show.
It was really fun. I just I steal that last story just sticks with
me and I I just it's such a special story about how you guys met
sucks. Now. I'm going to have to put the link to that in
the show notes, so yeah, please do. It's such a great story.
So thank you, thank you so much for having us on. This
was amazing. We just we love we love you, and we love what
you're doing with your show, and we just it was such an honor and
a privilege. Well, thank you so much. All right, you too,
take care, Thank you. Okay, bye now bye. All right,
So we'll be back next week with Greg Gagarion, the professor. I
can't remember where he's from. He's written another book. He's a very interesting
guy. So you have to, uh, you have to make sure you're
back there next week, right here, for that same time, same place.
Do not forget Thursday night. We have we have Alan Pierce on.
It's based on consciousness as well and alternate realities during realities during a coma thank
you all, and keep your eyes to the sky.