WEBVTT 1 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:29.199 Hello, and welcome to the show on Martin wilshow host got a great one 2 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:33.200 for you tonight to lovely ladies. Chris and Ariel are going to be on 3 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:39.359 the show, and Ariel was at the Ozark Mountain UFO festival that I was 4 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:43.640 at, but unfortunately we didn't connect there, but I saw too late that 5 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:46.159 she was there. But anyway, I was on their show. We're going 6 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:49.600 to talk a little bit about that what they do a show together. Chris 7 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:54.600 is quite a background. She was involved in all sorts of things and also 8 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:58.799 a very good friend of a very good friend, Randall Nickerson, who I 9 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:03.000 actually was in the town of nearby where he lives today, but he's out 10 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:08.040 west where Chris lives. And next week I'll be uh, I'll be hanging 11 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:11.000 out with next weekend, I should say I'll be hanging out a little bit 12 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:15.799 with Randall Nickerson. And a shout out to Deb Coyle, former guests in 13 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.719 the show. She and I have watched this morning out that way and made 14 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:25.239 it back just in time for the show tonight. So the blog for this 15 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:30.239 week, Charles Lear wrote UFOs and the Air Force Academy Textbook and a very 16 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:34.879 interesting blog. You know they had. If you read this blog it's at 17 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:42.120 podcastsufo dot com, you'll understand how confused our government basically was about what was 18 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:47.719 going on with UFOs. In that textbook it said that you may encounter UFOs 19 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:53.840 that would have beings from another from another planet basically, but it was removed 20 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:59.680 and it was all it was not based on anything solid. But it's a 21 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:02.920 very interesting blog. Check it out at podcastsufo dot com. I'm going to 22 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:06.719 introduce our guess in just a minute, but I did want to talk about 23 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:12.280 Thursday evening, I have a show with Alan Pearce, and this is just 24 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.800 fascinating. In the middle of this book here reading it and basically what he 25 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:23.039 did was he was reading through Facebook COVID support pages and started reading these stories 26 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:30.479 about people that were in comas induced comerce medically induced comas that was supposed to, 27 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:32.080 you know, put you in a state of rest. But these people 28 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:38.560 did anything but rest. They had these strange like alternate lives that they came 29 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:44.280 back, not even knowing the families they came back to, and in these 30 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:49.280 whatever they had, it was almost like an alternate reality. They went to 31 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:53.759 work, they had jobs, they had spouses and families, and children and 32 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:58.360 came back and had no idea who was waiting for them in the guest room. 33 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:00.400 It's going to be a fascinating show. Check out out tonight, sorry 34 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:05.919 Thursday night, this coming Thursday night, the twenty fifth, and that's at 35 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:09.599 seven pm right here on this YouTube channel, and that'll also go out as 36 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:15.639 everything else shows do on the podcast feed tonight. It gives me great pleasure 37 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:22.159 to introduce our guests, Chris Divine and Ariel Elizabeth. Welcome both of you. 38 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:24.199 Chris, you're you're muted. Just to keep that in mind. Here 39 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:27.840 you are. I'll try and remember I have a dog in the background. 40 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:31.240 That makes me so. I love dogs, and dogs are fine on this 41 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:36.319 show as long as they don't bark too much. You get some milk bones 42 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:39.080 nearby so you can throw that. Yeah, we'll we'll keep them from doing 43 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:44.639 that, at least my husband shall. So Chris, I just want to 44 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:49.360 first of all say how you and I met, and and my producer Donna 45 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:53.759 and you and we all met in line at the last year, about a 46 00:03:53.840 --> 00:04:00.639 year from now, almost a year from now six and Washington, d C. 47 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.159 We met in line and you brought the donuts. You're always going to 48 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:08.879 be remembered as the person that brought the donuts for everyone. Very nice, 49 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:13.319 and I forgot I brought donuts until you reminded me. Actually, but yeah, 50 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:15.279 I brought the donuts because then you'd be in line for quite some time. 51 00:04:15.519 --> 00:04:19.879 Since Randall called me, he went over the night before. He was 52 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:26.480 first in line. He went at nine o'clock, and he was kind enough 53 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:28.519 to say, go ahead and go to bed and I'll call you in the 54 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:33.519 morning. I had that's funny. I had called Randall, and my producer 55 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:40.160 and I both slept in close ready to go, and I said, Randall, 56 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:44.360 if people start showing up. He spent the night overnight waiting in line 57 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.240 and crossed the street. When they figured out that it was going to be 58 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:50.680 easy to go through the tunnel, they would get in a little bit early. 59 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:56.839 Luckily someone had told him that. So he spent the night overnight there 60 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.160 and it was incredible, and like I think it was five o'clock in the 61 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:02.439 morning he called. I told him, if people start showing up, you 62 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:05.519 call me. I don't care what time it is. So they started showing 63 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:10.439 up. So I got there at five point forty and you know, we 64 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:13.639 waited line and met you. But I think the funniest thing about that whole 65 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:18.000 situation is Randall snoring on the front seat in the middle of the hearing. 66 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:24.800 Oh no, I didn't realize that. See nobody that part of the story. 67 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:29.319 Yeah, oh no. Yeah, But anyway, it was a crazy 68 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:33.199 time. But unfortunately you were a couple of people behind myself and my producer 69 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:36.480 and did not get in the room as lucky as I was to get in. 70 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:40.639 Yeah, it was really a bummer, but we did enjoy the time 71 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:44.680 we had in the overflow room. So we took advantage of that moment because 72 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:48.240 we got to react and you know, laugh and and you know it just 73 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:53.199 have our emotional reaction out loud. So that was kind of nice. Well, 74 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:54.839 you know, it's funny. When I was in the back of the 75 00:05:54.920 --> 00:06:00.560 room, I had an extender stick form my iPhone and I said, I 76 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.519 was told you can't even take pictures, otherwise it would have brought great, 77 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:06.959 you know, better equipment or whatever. But the guy at the door said, 78 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:09.720 no, you can take picture, you can film. I don't care 79 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:13.319 as long as you don't disrupt anyone. So anytime you look for a picture 80 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:15.879 of the hearing in the back corner of the room. You will see a 81 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:18.639 phone sticking up in the air. That's me. Yeah, I filmed the 82 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:21.959 whole thing. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that was a great experience. 83 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:29.639 It was. It was amazing. Yes, it's very weird to think 84 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:31.680 that a year has passed. So much has changed in our world in that 85 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.959 short amount of time. So I know, but has it I'm starting to 86 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:41.279 wonder, you know, like has it or has not? Have things more 87 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:46.160 or less stayed the same. And I don't really know what to think about. 88 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:48.319 I know, the way things are going is kind of in a we're 89 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:51.319 a little bit in a dip, I think, which I've seen all, 90 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:55.720 you know in the uh you know, thirteen years of doing the show. 91 00:06:55.759 --> 00:07:00.360 I've seen the valleys and peaks, and then we get all excited and then 92 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.040 ends up being something like the roswell slides all a bunch of bs. You 93 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:09.199 know, you're all excited about everything. But yeah, so you helped Randall 94 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:13.360 Nickerson a lot with his uh yeah, so what was your involvement with the 95 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:19.079 aerial phenomenon? Really it was after the after the show, he and I 96 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:27.959 met him at the UFO Congress Mesa and he had mentioned he needed some help 97 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.360 with some projects and I was like, hey, I can go, I'll 98 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:35.360 do it, and I like, literally, it's kind of probably one of 99 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:41.680 the craziest things I have ever done. I mean I literally counted on the 100 00:07:41.720 --> 00:07:49.199 fact that this person was a UFO celebrity to protect myself. Really kind of 101 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:57.600 crazy. But any regrets, absolutely not. It was really one of the 102 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:01.680 most it was. I spent a week out where he's at. He has 103 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.720 a trailer next door, so I hold up in the trailer for the week 104 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:11.879 and helped him on just various projects. I like to think I was helpful 105 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:16.839 in pushing him to move the movie onto some of the platforms like Apple and 106 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.519 stuff, because he you know, you'll I'm sure he'll express on your show. 107 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:24.600 He went through some challenges with some licensing, some things that happened, 108 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:30.160 so afterwards it was kind of like what do we do now? And it 109 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:33.639 was a hard pill for him to swallow to put out, you know, 110 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:37.080 the film on those platforms when they take so much of your funding. I 111 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:39.960 know. But good thing he didn't go to ten twenty one, right, 112 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.480 because they ended up you know, all these people are not getting any of 113 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:50.159 their money and lots and what I mean we're talking I believe a huge amount 114 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:52.960 of money that these people are all owed. And well, he had his 115 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:56.960 own challenges and he kind of is getting a little bit more. He doesn't 116 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.879 name names, but he's a little bit more public about what happened, and 117 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.039 it really just kind of screwed him, like the ten twenty one people essentially. 118 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:09.519 So yeah, so anyways, I just really just helped him. I 119 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.000 helped him go through emails. It was just really kind. And then there's 120 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.240 some other projects he was working on that I, you know, I don't 121 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.039 want to discuss, but that he that I was able to kind of assist 122 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.399 with and participate in. And you know, I'm more of an administrative person, 123 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.320 operational person. That's kind of my background. So I was in healthcare 124 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.559 for thirty years, but it's more systems, processes, organization, things like 125 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.159 that. So I just said, hey, I can come out and help, 126 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.240 and really we just developed a friendship. It was really like a unique 127 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:46.320 time to spend like a week in the life of somebody who had this fascinating 128 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:52.159 life, has this fascinating life, and to see how he did the film 129 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:56.120 and what he put into the film, and it was just really such a 130 00:09:56.159 --> 00:10:00.600 blessing. And then we've just connected ever since. You know, we just 131 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:05.840 stay friends and uh he he relays, he listens to all my crazy theories 132 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:11.039 and he bounces back with me. And it's been just a fun friendship. 133 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:16.039 You know, somebody I can trust in the community that it's really hard to 134 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:22.279 find. Uh Oh yeah, it draws some interesting people, I'll put it 135 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.200 that way, that's sure. So this is very basically you know, the 136 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.600 film if you haven't seen it yet, you know, I'm gonna have Randolan 137 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:33.480 for a few minutes next week. But this, this whole film, you 138 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:41.440 know, the Ariel phenomenon is just an amazing He is such a extreme uh 139 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:46.519 what I want to call him. He's just a perfectionist. And his uh 140 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.759 you look at his African photography of you know that he did there with the 141 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.519 lions and elephants and giraffes and things like that, and it is amazing, 142 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.639 his amazing work. And then he put that to uh this movie, you 143 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:03.639 know, that same you know aspect to this movie and did a wonderful job 144 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:09.200 with it. And he's a wonderful person. So anyway, and it's been 145 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.360 really I've really enjoyed helping him in any any way. I can you know, 146 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:18.360 I think that is such a story. It's what I consider the Areel 147 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:22.759 phenomenon, you know, and there could be people listening that have no idea 148 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.720 what we're talking about. When when every every time someone is the sixty five 149 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:31.279 school children, it was more than that sixty five were able to talk about 150 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:33.720 it, you know, and they all saw this and they were not in 151 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:39.600 an area where he gets a TV program about UFOs. And the same thing 152 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:41.320 with a Deb Coyle who I was with today. She was also in South 153 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:46.159 Africa, Africa and had a school yard sighting herself before that, and you 154 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:50.039 know, she had one channel that you know, went off the air at 155 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:52.200 whatever time, nine o'clock at night, and there was no such thing as 156 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:54.840 UFO. She had no idea what she was looking at. And same with 157 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.879 these children. You know. It's just one of those stories. Yeah, 158 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:03.559 so now we get to find out about Ariel Elizabeth, yeah, you know, 159 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:09.320 not to be confused with the And it's so funny. When I very 160 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:11.440 first saw your name on Twitter, I go, oh, does she have 161 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:16.679 something to do with the Ariel none or something like that, say that, 162 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:22.639 yes, everyone thinks that at first. In fact, I'll often get people 163 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:26.039 calling me Elizabeth because they don't think that Ariel is my first name. They 164 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:30.240 think it's associated with the UFO sighting. So I'll have to say, no, 165 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:33.559 my first name is actually Ariel. My middle name is Elizabeth. So 166 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:37.600 yeah, yeah, But anyway, uh so, it was a pleasure being 167 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:43.480 on your show and you two interviewing me. That was different and that was 168 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:46.679 fun and uh you know, so I'm going to throw some of those type 169 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:50.799 of questions at y'all. I say that now because I live part time in 170 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:56.159 South Carolina. So but so, I guess I'm gonna ask you first, 171 00:12:56.240 --> 00:13:01.480 Ariel, what is everyone has kind of like the most the case that they 172 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:05.840 think is the most profound one, you know. And it's okay for you 173 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.840 to say the Aerial School because it's in your name, you know. But 174 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:15.480 anyway, do you do you have like a go to list of things that 175 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:20.679 you just think are phenomenal as far as the UFO encounters. I do, 176 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:26.639 and I've really not scratched the surface when it comes to UFO cases and really 177 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:31.559 doing deep dives, but I've definitely dabbled here and there. And of course 178 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:37.559 you know, the Roswell, the Aerial School, those are compelling and those 179 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:41.600 are almost you know, synonymous with the UFO phenomenon at this point. But 180 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.440 I really love there's a couple that I really love. I really love Rendall 181 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:50.360 sham Forrest. I know that some people say that it's already ben debunked, 182 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.240 and that's fine, but I just, I don't know, I find it 183 00:13:54.399 --> 00:14:00.840 very compelling, you know, the multiple witnesses, the military involved. I 184 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:05.639 think there was even like physical evidence it was left behind, you know, 185 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:11.360 radiation levels, marks on the ground, and so yeah, I've listened to 186 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:18.200 some podcast episodes on that, and it's funny that you should talk about sightings 187 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:22.480 that involve children because one of my favorite sightings is called I don't know if 188 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:28.039 you're familiar with it, but it's called the broad Haven Primary School UFO Sighting, 189 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:33.320 and it was a UFO sighting in Wales that occurred in Wales. I 190 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:37.159 think it was the Yeah, I think it was the nineteen seventies, and 191 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:43.759 it actually coincided with a UFO flap that was taking place during that time in 192 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:48.039 Wales, and so people all over that area we're seeing strange things in the 193 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:54.639 sky. But at this elementary school, I think it was like sixty seventy 194 00:14:54.720 --> 00:15:01.480 kids who were at recess and they saw a cigar shape craft and I think 195 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:07.360 it landed kind of out out past the schoolyard in a field, and the 196 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:13.159 headmaster, the principal kind of dismissed it. But they actually ended up having 197 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:18.200 the children drop pictures of what they saw, and you know, sure enough, 198 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:24.360 the pictures were all very eerily similar. So yeah, yeah, there 199 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:28.799 it is, there it is. It's it's an interesting one. It's so 200 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:37.679 interesting. Yeah, the drawings and yeah, that's so. I remember this 201 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:43.120 kid too, Yes, he turned out pretty good. And it changed, 202 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:50.320 it changed these people's it changed to some of the trajectory of these kids' lives. 203 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:52.759 Sure, oh, how can it not, you know what I mean? 204 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:56.879 And I you know, there's a lot of there's this is I've had 205 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:02.679 this discussion I had, you know, Preston did a book on school yard 206 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:07.159 you know, schoolyard sightings, and you know, I mean the question comes 207 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:11.279 up why. And you know, school kids are impressionable, that is, 208 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:18.000 they're that age. And also you know, there's like an innocence about them. 209 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:19.919 You know, they're not going to get a machine gun and start firing. 210 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:23.559 You know, for one, that's a truly good point. And it 211 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:29.159 might be easier for the beings to even communicate telepathically with children, because the 212 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:33.480 children are most often the ones that report, you know, feeling feelings or 213 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:37.879 getting telepathic messages about the environment, and so you know there might be something 214 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:41.799 to that as well. Right, Yeah, I think they're fascinating all the 215 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:45.919 school yard settings. And besides step Coyle, who I just mentioned, you 216 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:51.440 know, early earlier on, you know, I had some contact me from 217 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:56.360 Oakland that grew up in Oakland, California, and there was a bright gold 218 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.559 object that came over their school yard when he was in the sixties, when 219 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.200 he was there, and it just there's a lot of them. I mean, 220 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:07.240 until Preston Dennett's book came out when he started researching all the different school 221 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.279 yard encounters, I had no idea there were as many as there were. 222 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:18.680 I think there's over one hundred documented schoolyard UFO sightings, and one of them 223 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:26.359 a person recently, not that long ago, told me about them actually in 224 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.839 seventh or eighth grade something like that, these silver objects over there, you 225 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:33.200 know, when they were outside and did not want to talk about it publicly. 226 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.079 But I mean, it's pretty amazing how many times it seems to happen. 227 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.680 One of my theories I have several because I was in the San Diego 228 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:48.680 area, but where my sightings were in my backyard and over a canyon. 229 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:51.359 There was a church there, but there was also a school yard there, 230 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:56.400 and I always wondered because you know, the sidings were between three and four 231 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:00.119 pm, three four thirty pm always every day, and I would always wonder 232 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.880 if there was something about the students getting out of school at that time and 233 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:10.240 some energy or whatever it is. So it has crossed my mind. I'm 234 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:12.799 going to have no evidence of that. It's just something I do think about 235 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:18.640 in relation to these other cases. Right. I'd never do this enough. 236 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:22.200 I want to thank everyone that's in chat and watching the show live here and 237 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.559 Thomas No, I do not know of any school yard tightings in New Hampshire, 238 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.759 but I will. If you want to post a question as we go 239 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:33.480 along here, please try to put it in caps and I will. I 240 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:36.200 will get it up there. And I want to say, hidas Shane. 241 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:40.799 Shane is from down Under. It's their winter. I do believe down there. 242 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.880 But Shane has been chiming in on this show for at least ten years. 243 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:52.200 It's pretty amazing cool so yeah. But and Bobby, Bobby and I 244 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.880 have known each other, Bobby and I, Bobby Hernandez. Bobby and I 245 00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:02.839 met in North Carolina back in two thousand and thirteen, so eleven years ago. 246 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:04.720 I was at a conference down there and he went to the same conference 247 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:07.359 that we hung out. We had a really good time and we've been in 248 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:11.480 touch ever since. It's so amazing how that works in this community. That's 249 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:15.000 one of the things I value. Oh me too. I was just at 250 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:18.839 the Moufon event and you know, one of the things I said when I 251 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:22.279 started, I was in a hot tub and somehow I ended up here, 252 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:26.119 you know, and it's like, you know, and it's a beautiful place 253 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:32.160 to be with a very interesting people. And I say something that happened to 254 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:36.200 move On I haven't really talked about, but because I think it's it's pretty 255 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:41.400 funny. It sounds exciting at first, but it's not so. Chris DePerno, 256 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:44.960 who I've known from we were on a show together a little while. 257 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:49.519 He's in the New York move On. I think he's said he's the head 258 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:52.599 of the New York State move On. I believe. So he says, 259 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:57.160 hey, there's two guys over at the bar and so he says, one's 260 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:02.240 NSAY in the other's FBI. So I go, really, so, wow, 261 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:03.799 that's something. How do you know? And he says, because I 262 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:04.759 saw this logo in the shirt. And I asked him and he said, 263 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:08.240 yeah, you know, I'm retired and all that. So I go upstairs 264 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:11.000 and tell my producer Donna. I said, I can't believe this, you 265 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:14.559 know, sitting at the bar, and she goes, let me at him, 266 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:17.440 let me out him. I got to find out why they're here. 267 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:21.400 So, you know, we went down to the lobby shore. I went 268 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:23.319 right up to them and like sat down right next to them, you know, 269 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:26.559 ready to buy them a drink, and hear why they're here, you 270 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.599 know, and so they're just they're both retired FBI. And we had long 271 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:36.079 conversations with them both, and they're fascinated by the topic. It's Russ and 272 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:41.640 tr they were at. They came across country, drove across country to go 273 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:44.559 to the move on event. They just wanted to check it out and see 274 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:48.640 what was like. And they really enjoyed and really enjoyed it. But they're 275 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:52.640 Russ wanted me to he's from the NSA. He wanted to make sure that 276 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.359 everyone knew he was not there for the NSA. He was there out of 277 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:02.119 self interest, he said, even if he had an interest in UFOs and 278 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:07.039 had something to do with it. It's in these little, tiny compartments everyone 279 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:11.759 has a little bit of information. And of course, later on tr from 280 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.400 the former FBI said, you know that was their downfall and the reason why 281 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:21.480 nine to eleven happened is because everything's compartmentalized and there's no one analyzing. They 282 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:25.759 do now, that changed, but there's no one analyzing the overall data coming 283 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:30.240 in. So it's the same thing they in the NSA. As far as 284 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.079 he said, if someone was working on something to do with UFOs, they 285 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:37.640 would only know a little part of it. And then it's the overseer of 286 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.839 a grouping that would know the full you know, what's going on, but 287 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:45.839 you know they keep it that way purposely, so no one can, you 288 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:49.000 know, leak secrets like Snowden or you know, someone like that Wiki leaks 289 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:53.599 but fascinating. But they weren't there too, you know, they weren't there 290 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:59.799 in nefarious ways. They were just there out of curious curiosity. But fun 291 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:04.839 to talk to them anyway. I was. I can't remember which conference I 292 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:11.960 was at, but maybe it was the the Contact in the Desert, but 293 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:21.279 somebody mentioned that there was a large volume of X three letter agency people attending. 294 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:25.799 I don't remember who said that to me, but it was pointed out 295 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:30.119 interestingly enough. Well, you know, it's like I think, I think 296 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:33.599 there's a lot of interest. Now let me tell you something that that russed 297 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:37.400 and I think this is fascinating. I wanted everyone to hear this. Okay, 298 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:44.680 he set up something like it was the NSA's Wikipedia type of program. 299 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.920 He helped set that up. So it was with all the government secrets that 300 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:52.720 cannot be shared, and they're all in this like Wikipedia type search engine that 301 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:57.559 you know, is very very secure for them to get to. And guess 302 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:00.680 what the number one search was when it went live? And these are by 303 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:07.559 agents. Is there anything to the UFO topic number one sert of everything? 304 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:12.720 Wow, everybody wanted to know. That is fascinating. Yeah, really fascinating. 305 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:19.200 So I go, well, but no information, no information. Yeah, 306 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:26.400 But anyway, I think that just demonstrates that there is a lot of 307 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:30.640 interest in this topic. It doesn't matter what someone does, you know, 308 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:33.519 they're they're interested in this topic. And I think, you know, possibly 309 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.480 when you have that type of job, you have a lot of water cooler 310 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:41.799 talk and things like that that may, you know, get your interests a 311 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:47.119 little more in that that type of thing. I'm not sure. And probably 312 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:51.640 just the nature of investigative mindsets, you know, those people who like to 313 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:55.160 investigate things, because that's kind of how I feel like. I have an 314 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:57.160 interest in true crime as well for some reason. You know, it's that 315 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:03.559 mindset of figuring out the mystery. Oh yeah, you can never you can 316 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.119 never figure out the brain. I mean you look into some of these I've 317 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:10.359 watched a couple of those things and it's like, and I do like, 318 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:14.400 actually, that's an interest in mine as well, and it's it's fascinating only 319 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:18.480 because you just can't understand the mindset of how these people go so so far 320 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.880 off, so wrong. I want to say, but let's see if this 321 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:26.799 we have any questions. Uh no, again, anyone can post any questions 322 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.920 and we may even take calls a little bit later on. So you're you're 323 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:37.279 actually in Chris, you are actually in the Scottsdale or yeah, you're in 324 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:44.960 Arizona. Yeah, and what's the area you're in? Area I am from 325 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:49.119 Nebraska. Oh, Nebraska. Oh yeah, everyone always says corn Huskers. 326 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:55.240 I know, I know. I used to live and I lived in Colorado 327 00:24:55.279 --> 00:25:00.680 for three years and a whole bunch of people from from Nebraska that actually was 328 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:04.920 working at an auction hall. I was uh in in uh that from Nebraska. 329 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:10.240 All they did was talk about football. Yep, really it is. 330 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:14.759 It is a whole thing. And yeah, yeah, Nebraska in their football. 331 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:19.200 It's just it's a whole thing. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, so 332 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:22.039 you're actually telling me that you drove to the Ozaks. That was only eight 333 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:26.200 hours from Yes, yes, that was so. That was in Eureka Springs, 334 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:29.640 Arkansas, and that was only about eight hours from us, so we 335 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:32.920 could make it in a day. It was a really pretty drive. Wow. 336 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:36.799 Yeah, yeah, very nice. So let's talk at a little bit 337 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:42.079 about your program. It's now it's not so easy to find if you search 338 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:47.640 for it because there's a million Elephant in the room type of podcasts. Right, 339 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:52.119 yeah, yeah, what's the right We need some SEO help. That's 340 00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:57.359 definitely something we'd love to have. But yeah, so we It is called 341 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:03.160 the Elephant in the Room four one one on YouTube, oh for one one? 342 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.599 Oh okay, I get it and so yeah, so that might help 343 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:12.319 find it easier, but it's still a little bit difficult. Ariel and I 344 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:18.400 are on X so we are usually found through there. Yeah. Yeah. 345 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.720 And when when you find your guests, is it just the same way I 346 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:26.160 do. You just reach out to them and they say yes or no, 347 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.079 or you don't hear back from them. That's kind of what I found. 348 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:33.759 This happened to start. It's always the hardest to start one of these things. 349 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:37.279 I mean, someone contacted me. I've never had a guest on before, 350 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:40.160 and it said, okay, I'll be on, because I know how 351 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.440 hard it is it is to get something like that going no one, you 352 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.920 know, it's hard. I reached out. First person I reached out to 353 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:52.160 in twenty eleven was Stanton Friedman, and he ended up being on. He 354 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:55.920 did not come on my show, but he ended up coming on like four 355 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.640 or five people later, and he was on at least a dozen times. 356 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.880 But so, but it's it's so uh, it's so difficult to get the 357 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:07.160 first one. And finally Steve Bassett said I'll be on. So yeah, 358 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:11.480 I always have a place for Steve Bassett because he helped me get started. 359 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:15.519 So actually it actually wasn't that difficult though for us. Chris, well, 360 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:23.480 you're pretty young, ladies. We talked it all up to our brains. 361 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:27.000 I'm telling you, that's right. I know. Well, that's that's how 362 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.880 you that's how you. Uh, you know, you have to get the 363 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.920 attraction first, you know, like people look at me and go, you 364 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:40.960 know. But anyway, you know, I think really to where Ariel sing 365 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.400 it really Ariel had a really strong presence on X and I had a semi 366 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:49.480 strong presence on X, and we had been on the platform for a couple 367 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:53.680 of years and developed a lot of relationships, and I think that helped. 368 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:59.079 By the time we decided to start something, we already knew people and and 369 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:02.519 like for example, Christy Newton was our first guest and I met her through 370 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:07.119 Randall. So it just you know, it worked out where that kind of 371 00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:11.039 gave us the momentum and we weren't we weren't afraid. Of course, we've 372 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:15.519 had our bigger turndowns by like you know, the bigger shows, but everybody's 373 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.440 been so kind to us and really generous with their time. So yeah, 374 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:22.039 yeah, that's that's the way, you know, I mean, I think 375 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.640 it should be and you know, I don't know what people think that. 376 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.480 You know, people don't get paid. You know, no one gets paid. 377 00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.200 They're just willing to come on and and talk and it's a lot of 378 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.880 fun. And you know, I only discovered that because I started out with 379 00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:41.519 an antique podcast years before, and you know how people like, sure, 380 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.519 I'll come on and talk, and you know, maybe i'll plug my whatever, 381 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.799 you know, my antique store or whatever it is. You know. 382 00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:52.519 So here's here's a question here opposed to you do either of our guests have 383 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:57.200 any thoughts on the Betty and Barney Hill incident, truth or hoax? Any 384 00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:03.079 any thoughts on that one? I tend to be I guess maybe as I'm 385 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:06.359 a little biased as an experiencer, so I tend to give people the benefit 386 00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:10.880 of the doubt that it is probably true. I have no reason not to. 387 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:12.799 I haven't done a deep dive on most cases, to be honest with 388 00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.839 you, I kind of more of a skimmer right now, as I'm going 389 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:21.599 through school, I don't do a lot of deep dives. But I think 390 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:23.960 it's it's probably real. What about you, Aria, Oh, I think 391 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.920 there's I think something happened to them for sure. I don't know exactly what 392 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:33.039 happened to them. You know, there's always that question of are people physically 393 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.880 taken or are they just experiencing some sort of altered state of consciousness where they 394 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.880 think they're being taken. But I definitely feel like something anomalois happened to them 395 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:49.400 that night. And I know that I know someone that actually spoke to Simonson, 396 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:56.039 the hypnotist, and he basically said that he himself didn't really think that 397 00:29:56.200 --> 00:30:00.599 happened, but he thinks that they did believe they weren't they weren't trying to 398 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:06.680 pull the wool over anyone's eyes, but he does think that, you know. 399 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:12.119 You know, the bottom line is they experienced something and they believe it 400 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.000 right, you know, And that's kind of what John Mac you know, 401 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.079 used to say. You know, these people aren't crazy, but you know, 402 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:22.759 they something happened, you know, when they're you know, they they 403 00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:26.400 believe it, you know, and I think that's, uh, it's a 404 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:30.759 very powerful thing, you know. And speaking of that, I heard you 405 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:37.279 say, Chris, you're an experiencer. Did you want to talk about that? 406 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:42.000 Sure? Excuse me, sure, yeah, I would consider myself an 407 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:49.799 experiencer about so in about March of twenty twenty one, I started hearing a 408 00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:56.200 couple of stories about a UAPs over like New Mexico, and it struck me 409 00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:57.680 because my mom's from Clayton, New Mexico, and that's where I was flying 410 00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:03.440 over, and I I it got my attention. And then shortly after that, 411 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.279 I got a hold of George Knapp and Jermy Corbel I like to call 412 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:15.400 him my my uh uh gateway drug to ufology, because I just started listening 413 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.480 to them and they were talking about a couple of cases outside of San Diego, 414 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:26.359 and it intrigued me, but I didn't realize like how I guess intrigued 415 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:33.759 or I quickly got into the subject. And by well July fourth of that 416 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:38.200 year is what I believe was my first what I consciously was aware of, 417 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:45.400 my first encounter over San Diego in my backyard. I believe it was. 418 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.799 It was an orb It it was going according to my measurements, and I've 419 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:53.079 done the math. I obviously don't know the distance of the object, but 420 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.200 it was. It did go behind the tree, so I know it was 421 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.880 on the other side of the canyon. And then I measured approximately the shortest 422 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:02.759 distance it could have traveled and it was going at least two hundred and twenty 423 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.480 seven miles an hour. It changed colors. It was bright, it was 424 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.279 white, a small white light, and it was moving very fast. It 425 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:15.400 would burst into bright white light, blue haze around it, and then sometimes 426 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:21.160 it would turn into a smaller orange light and it traversed across the canyon and 427 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.759 back. My daughter her boyfriend were there. We got it on several different 428 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:30.920 cameras because I had a night vision camera that we actually captured it on because 429 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:32.720 I had got into the topic and I decided to get a camera, and 430 00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:36.119 it's just total fluke. First time we took it out of the box, 431 00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:40.039 my daughter was filming and I was chewing on a bag of chips. You 432 00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:44.119 can hear me, and I'm and we see something and I might get it, 433 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:45.880 you know, like I'm not really you know, get it. And 434 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.440 then like once we start looking at it, it's just like, what is 435 00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:52.599 that is? You know, this can't be a drone. It's moving way 436 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:57.119 too fast. I'm in two flight zones. There's a lot of different analysis 437 00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:01.279 that I finally decided, Okay, this is something. And then of course 438 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:06.440 I was like intrigued, you know, I started doing deep dives and to 439 00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:12.880 my own experience and realizing that I probably like opened myself, you know, 440 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:19.920 up to just being open to having an experience. But what I've later learned 441 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:23.039 is I was also going through like a deep traumatic time exiting my career. 442 00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:29.079 I had a bunch of medical issues that were happening to me, and so 443 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:32.039 it all was literally at the same time. So I have a very strong 444 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:42.000 hunch that that experience that people go through kind of instigates maybe contact or these 445 00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.480 anomalous experiences that people have. And then after that, I ended up seeing 446 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:52.079 daily orbs for I mean almost on a daily basis, and I captured hundreds 447 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.319 of them over my backyard. It's very hard to capture with a cell phone, 448 00:33:54.359 --> 00:34:00.640 but I did many and many many witnesses. I saw black cubes going 449 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:06.000 across my canyon. I've seen things that look like the jellyfish short of going 450 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:10.880 across the canyon. I've got those on film. So something in that area 451 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.599 to me, it's a hot spot, you know. And once I studied 452 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:21.320 more and learned about hot spots, and you know, I feel that that's 453 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:23.639 it's there. And I've tried to get many people to go and investigate I 454 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:29.599 have one person who has a vehicle that they've outlined with like ten measuring devices, 455 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.400 so I'm hopeful that they'll get a chance to go down and we would 456 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:36.920 observe them like I could. I could look at the sky at three eleven 457 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:40.079 PM, four eleven pm and a little white orb would be there and it 458 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:45.719 would move and it would disappear. We would see other craft and the videos 459 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:51.920 after that. So again, you know, maybe it's something prosaic that people 460 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:57.440 can argue, but whatever it was, it changed my experience of reality, 461 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.239 you know, my understanding of reality. Yeah. Now I'm just trying to 462 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:06.679 get the timeline here. So was did all this happen after you started listening 463 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:14.840 to Jeremy Corbela or before? I would say after the almost As a matter 464 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:19.000 of fact. One thing I remember very specifically is we came to Arizona for 465 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:23.559 an event in May. Eric and I my husband, drove back to San 466 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:29.719 Diego through the desert, through the Sultan Sea and it was like really weird 467 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:30.840 down there. I don't know if you've ever been to the Sultan Sea, 468 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:36.199 but it's just like really weird, which you know, UFO stuff everywhere, 469 00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:37.800 like, and we listened to them all day long. It was May the 470 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:42.360 fourth be with you. And I'm not into sci fi or anything, but 471 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.760 it stuck out of my head because it was May fourth. I can tell 472 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:47.719 you when I say the first sighting I was aware of was July fourth. 473 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:54.400 I have a daytime ORB capture on May seventh that I found later on and 474 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:59.599 I'm filming it and I'm in it's daytime, big ol'd, white, flaky 475 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:01.880 looking, and I'm telling my dad, well, technically it's a UFO, 476 00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:07.960 and like, I completely forgot that I had that. So essentially, May 477 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:14.559 fourth was that trip. May seventh was that first orb. And then I 478 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:16.360 have to tell you, and this is the crazy part that I tend to 479 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:20.760 edit out of my story a lot, but there was a time when I 480 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:25.239 was sitting over the canyon during this time, reflecting on this, and I 481 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:30.159 felt an impression of a number coming into my head thirty two sixty seven forty 482 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.039 five. Still have no idea what that is, but it felt meaningful. 483 00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:39.519 And this is right prior to my sighting. So it's a very strange series 484 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.800 of events that happened and kind of took me through this dark night of the 485 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.400 soul. And can you give you that number one more time, I'm going 486 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:54.039 to play the lotterysearch. Oh gosh, yeah, wow, so weird. 487 00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:59.039 So anyway, that's kind of been the essence. And I've had several you 488 00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:00.679 know, I see orbs frequently at night. To me, they're not hard 489 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:05.440 to see anymore, but I see. I've had a couple of daytime sightings 490 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.679 since I've been here in Phoenix, which has been very few, but they 491 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:15.039 have I have captured them. So I don't know what to make of it, 492 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:19.079 you know, other than this is why I'm here. Wow, pretty 493 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.840 amazing. Yeah, you know, And sometimes it is like I hear of 494 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:29.159 certain people that just seem to see a lot and it doesn't there's nothing that 495 00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:31.920 really makes any sense why, but it just happens. Maybe it is a 496 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:37.400 hot spot. But this particular person I'm thinking of right now has moved to 497 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:43.400 different places and still see things. Yeah. Yeah, So this person wanted 498 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:49.960 to know if you ever reported any of these things. You know, It's 499 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.880 funny, I cannot remember. I remember going through the process. I don't 500 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:58.119 remember if I submitted it because I tell Eric and I were just at Randall's 501 00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.960 event this week and at move On and he's like, did you ever report 502 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.360 and I said, you know, for some reason, I remember feeling very 503 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:09.039 frustrated in the reporting process at that point, so I either attempted to I 504 00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:14.840 don't know if I submitted it, but I remember feeling overwhelmed. And I 505 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:19.079 don't remember what the nature of the questions were, but whatever it was didn't 506 00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.079 like connect with me at the time. So when I was the MC at 507 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:27.320 the MOFON symposium, I asked for a show of hands for how many people 508 00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:30.400 think they have seen a UFO and there was quite a few hands when up. 509 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.800 And then I said, how many of you reported that sighting? And 510 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.440 only one hand went up of all those people, and I said, you 511 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.920 know, it's not surprising at all. You know, usually it's like ten 512 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.159 percent, but this is one hand, and probably you know, thirty or 513 00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:50.960 forty people that said, you know, they saw something they couldn't explain. 514 00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:53.639 And so I have to tell you I my sighting in two thousand and seven, 515 00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:57.719 I never reported it, and from what I understand, you can always 516 00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.719 report it. Oh wow. But the only thing is I don't remember the 517 00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:05.239 exact date. I don't even remember exactly what month it was. I know 518 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:07.719 that sounds crazy, but in California, all the month seems to kind of 519 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.039 blend together, you know, as far as the weather goes and everything. 520 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.800 So I just can't remember. Well. One of the strangest things, Martin, 521 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:21.000 that happened during that time. I was filling up all my jug drivers 522 00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.320 discs or whatever they're called, with video, you know, of all this 523 00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:28.079 footage I was capturing, and I was desperate one day, and so I 524 00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.400 found an old camera that had broke, and I went to it and I 525 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:36.199 pulled out the disc that was in it, and I opened it up and 526 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.440 there was a series of pictures and I remember the camera was broken, and 527 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:40.920 my husband had even taken it to the camera shop. They said they couldn't 528 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:46.760 fix it. And I there was a series of pictures in there, a 529 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:52.559 still photography, and they're like seconds apart, and it's literally the sky I 530 00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:57.760 dated back, Like what were we doing on that date. We were traveling 531 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.800 to Taft, California, where Eric's dad lives, so it was somewhere on 532 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:05.440 that road. And there's a series of images of still shots and you can 533 00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:10.159 see a tic tac I mean formed like there's images of like almost like cloud 534 00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:16.159 dark cloud spots at some point and then very clear tic TAC image, multiple 535 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:21.480 shots of it, like over the road. And the thing about it is 536 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:28.599 none of us remember being like thinking we saw UFO or stopping it was twenty 537 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.599 thirteen, but we have these pictures. And then I remembered the camera broke 538 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.719 after that, and that's why I'd never taken the disc out. Wow. 539 00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:44.719 Wow, that is something someone had sent me. You know, they had 540 00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:49.559 developed a film or something that was from an old camera and it looks like 541 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.400 a UFO. And I get a lot of people send me pictures all the 542 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.639 time, and I think, I hate to say this live, but I 543 00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:00.400 think believe one of you has to turn down your speakers a little bit. 544 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:04.639 It's feeding back some So as long as you can hear me talking, and 545 00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:08.960 it's uh, there is a little feedback going through. And I'm not sure 546 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:14.559 who it's from. I still do. I still hear it coming through. 547 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.599 So all you need to do is just hear it enough so you can hear 548 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:25.280 hear what I'm saying. It's coming through again. But anyway, you know 549 00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:31.000 that whatever is captured on film, it's coming through. Let's see. Okay, 550 00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.880 it's on your end, Chris, but I think you got it. 551 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.800 It sounds pretty good. Now okay, so the lines are open if you'd 552 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:42.119 like to call and ask our guests tonight some questions that numbers eight five, 553 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.960 five, four, seven, eight three. Uh. Every once in a 554 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.679 while someone will call in. We don't get a lot of callers. A 555 00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:52.000 lot of people. Hey, Mark, Mark Stanley, great musician, he's 556 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:57.119 in the he's in the chat. Good to see you, Mark. But 557 00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.360 uh, yeah, I mean, you got to admit that this is a 558 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:04.280 fascinating topic. That's why you're doing it. Ariel, did you ever have 559 00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.559 any UFO experience or what made you have an interest in this topic to begin 560 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:14.360 with? I just feel like I've really had just an innate curiosity since I 561 00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.280 was a child. I've always been a sci fi nerd, grew up on 562 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:22.039 Star Wars and Star Trek and just kind of, you know, an interest 563 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.920 in astronomy, meteorology, curious about, you know, nature, the you 564 00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.840 know, the mysteries of the world. Just looking up at the skies and 565 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:34.719 wondering if we're alone. That's just kind of always been something that I've wondered 566 00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:40.079 about and contemplated. But my maternal grandfather, he did have an experience with 567 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:45.119 a metallic disc when he was a teenager, he and his friends were traveling 568 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:51.800 in a car on a rural road and they saw a metallic disc covering it 569 00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:54.280 about the height of a telephone pole, and they all piled out of the 570 00:42:54.320 --> 00:43:00.400 car and they watched it hover there for thirty seconds a minute, and then 571 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:05.719 it zipped off in no sonic boom, no noise. And ever since then 572 00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.679 he's been very into the topic. And he has all the old art bell 573 00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:15.639 cassette tapes and yeah, and so he was always kind of when my grandma 574 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:19.360 wasn't around. My grandma hated when he talked about aliens and UFOs around the 575 00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.079 grand kids, but when he when she would walk away, he would be 576 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:25.159 like, hey came here and they'd like show me books. And so yeah, 577 00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:30.239 he really I think passed kind of that curiosity down onto me. Well 578 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.679 that's awesome. That's really great to hear that. Yep, you know, 579 00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:37.840 because it it seems like you know, I mean, I hear this a 580 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:39.679 lot. There's not like a lot of it doesn't seem like a lot of 581 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:44.159 young people actually show up at you know, events, But you know, 582 00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:46.840 I was I some listener that came up to me. It was pretty young. 583 00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:52.599 You know, she's a grad student now and uh when I was in 584 00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.920 Texas. So there are young people that have interest, but and it's people 585 00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:00.079 like you that can get more people invigorated to you know, we have to 586 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:04.000 keep this thing going, I think, and you know, I mean, 587 00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.360 I do feel you know, I said, I feel like we're in a 588 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:12.480 lame spot. Possibly we are, but I also feel like there's momentum like 589 00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:15.599 we've never had before, you know what I mean. Will there be more 590 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:17.960 hearings, Will that make a difference. I don't know, We'll We'll just 591 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.159 have to wait and find out, you know, and just and just go 592 00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:27.079 along and keep doing our thing. So what's some guests you would say that 593 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.920 you had on the show that you find really interesting? Either one of you 594 00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:35.079 I want to talk about that, I would. I mean, we've had 595 00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:40.000 some We've been really lucky and blessed by the community and had just some everyone 596 00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:45.320 we've had we've loved having. But some that you know that really stick out, 597 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:52.960 or like doctor James Madden. He's a philosopher and a professor and an 598 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:58.239 author, and he really he was really popular with our guests. He's just 599 00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:04.440 very good at taking some complex you know, philosophy and thoughts in applying it 600 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:08.960 to the topic and really kind of just giving a different perspective of kind of 601 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:14.119 what his philosophy is of the topic. So that was a really great show, 602 00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.480 you know, I don't know, we've had just some of our I 603 00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.920 my most favorite recent one, I think was with Dove and she's just a 604 00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:27.440 I shouldn't say just but a member of the community who had never really gone 605 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.119 on a podcast before. And she did a deep dive on the King in 606 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.000 Arizona case, and it's just she did a phenomenal job. She broke it 607 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.599 down in so much detail. She's a queer, you know, researcher, 608 00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:43.119 and I really like just appreciated that aspect of giving other people the opportunity to 609 00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:47.320 express their passions in a way you know that you know, just kind of 610 00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:52.159 builds the community. I guess I thought that was really special. Yeah, 611 00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:57.480 I agree. Those type of guests are really very interesting and special. I 612 00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:01.760 mean I caught a guy one time. Uh, I forget exactly how, 613 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:08.119 but I heard him say something about having meeting someone from Project Blue Book back 614 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:10.559 when he was a kid. So I go, wait a minute, wait 615 00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:14.840 a minute. So I actually got him on the show. He's only done 616 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.239 two shows that I'm aware of. I got him hooked up on another show, 617 00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:22.360 and he was fascinating. These people that have never talked about this before. 618 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:25.519 They he was only like nine years old. He wrote wrote the Air 619 00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:30.079 Force. Next thing, you know, trying to remember who was leading Project 620 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.599 blue Book at the time, showed up at his door and with another guy 621 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:37.679 and they came in with books and said it looked like this, did it 622 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.239 look like this? You know that type of thing, and then separated him 623 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:44.920 from his parents. They're like, really grillam, you know, wow. 624 00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.119 But I love stories like that when someone's just you know, they're not like 625 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:51.280 a regular, you know, UFO person. They haven't talked about it. 626 00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.079 Yeah. I love having those type of Martin. This is a totally off 627 00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:57.920 the wall random question, but have you ever tried to get Bob b Azar 628 00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:04.800 on your show? No, I've I don't believe that Bob's coming on anytime 629 00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:09.880 soon, you know, And it just feels like there's been so many people 630 00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:14.039 that have gone after him, trying to get him on their show for whatever 631 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:15.760 reason. For you know, maybe they believe him, maybe they don't. 632 00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:20.199 I'm kind of the jury's out for me on Bob. I don't know. 633 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:22.079 You know, I've kind of gone back and forth over the years on him, 634 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:24.920 but I'm just I was just curious if you'd ever tried to get him 635 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:29.039 on, because he's just one of those guests that, like people are always 636 00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:31.559 trying to hound and get on their show. Yeah. No, I don't 637 00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:35.800 think he's He's coming on too many shows, you know. I mean I 638 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:42.079 saw him in and and Phoenix, you know, briefly, didn't talk to 639 00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:47.199 him or anything. But you know, if I start giving my opinion on 640 00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:51.840 Bob Bazaar, then I will get the continued hate mail that I usually get 641 00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:54.960 whenever I bring it up. Oh boy, Oh yeah, so we'll we'll 642 00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:59.239 steer it back then, Sorry about that. That's all right, that's all 643 00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.519 right. You know, I'll just tell you my philosophy, and you know, 644 00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:07.199 I'll probably get the the hate mail. Anyway. I had this discussion 645 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:12.079 out at the moof ON conference with a couple of people that are all in 646 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.880 with Bob Blazar, and I said, I do believe that he has enough 647 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:22.880 information where he's probably like taking on the persona of someone he knew very very 648 00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:25.280 well, that knew all these inside details. But there's no way that he 649 00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:30.280 could have ever had that type of job, because they could not give that 650 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:35.360 clearance to that type of person that has, you know, his background. 651 00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:37.880 It just would not he would not get that clearance. And of course people 652 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.360 always say, oh, there's a ways around that and blah blah blah blah. 653 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:45.679 But why why would they give a photo processor and someone that was involved 654 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.880 in a bordello, you know, this top top, top secret clearance. 655 00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:52.599 It just wouldn't. I don't think it would ever happen. But I think 656 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:57.480 that he might have been very close to someone that had all the information. 657 00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:01.159 And that's my take on it. If anyone wants to look at my blog 658 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:07.920 about that, it's called Muddying the UFO Waters and that's on my website, 659 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.800 and I have a whole kind of information and documents and things that are very 660 00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:17.039 you know, very thorough on on Bob Bazaar and argues for and against whether 661 00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:22.679 a story is real. But it's always a it's always a fascinating topic to 662 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:28.000 talk about, you know. But there are people that have It's just like 663 00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:31.159 everything else in this country. There's people that have very very strong opinions. 664 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:36.199 And if you don't see it my way, you're you're bad. Yeah, 665 00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:42.039 you know really like it's so unfortunate, you know. I hope we can 666 00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:45.639 dial back some of that and get to a point where we can disagree on 667 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:52.400 things and and just talk about them, you know, and like we used 668 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:57.559 to. Yes, so we know about area fifty one. I'm not saying 669 00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:01.800 that Bob Blazar didn't know some things, if you were really listening to me, 670 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:08.280 I I am just basically saying that I think he knew someone that knew 671 00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:14.000 a lot of the things he knew that you know, Uh, he did 672 00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.960 not go to MIT. That is one hundred percent, you know true, 673 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:22.440 there's I know someone that did a deep dive and can go deeper than probably 674 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:27.280 the government could expunge records, and who he'd never had any And he didn't 675 00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.199 even know, if you know, anything about MIT when he was questioned in 676 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:35.199 a public venue. So uh, he had no idea what the square was 677 00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.599 out in front of Kendall Squares right there. He had no idea anything about 678 00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:45.559 that. So anyway that hate mail, she'll arrive anything now, that's okay, 679 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:50.400 not necessary? Yeah, yeah, So we have anything exciting coming up 680 00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:52.440 on your show, and where can people find you? That's what they always 681 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.639 want to know. I do believe you have a link. I have links 682 00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:00.000 that's right, links below down in the show notes for all that. And 683 00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:04.760 now let me just ask you. Is it weekly? Bi weekly? Is 684 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.159 bi weekly? Right? It's about bi weekly? Yeah, we've been trying 685 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.880 to do every couple of weeks at least, and then of course you know 686 00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:15.519 everyone, so by by monthly or by month? Ye? By monthly, 687 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:20.960 by monthly? Yeah, every two weeks, so correct. Here's a this 688 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.480 is a publicist that I know here, bamby, How how you doing? 689 00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:29.039 I would like to see the Vaticans representative for the UFO topics and learn about 690 00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:32.920 the observatory in the Southwest. Yeah, that's an amazing observatory from what I'm 691 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:38.639 told, and supposedly. I no, I could go conspiratorial, but there's 692 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:44.239 the they hint that they have a lot of information. I'll put it that 693 00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.559 way. And that's here right in Phoenix. Yeah, I think it is. 694 00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:52.119 I think it's in the Southwest. I think I only recently heard about 695 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:57.480 that, So yeah, something that would be cool to look into. Yeah, 696 00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:01.599 so your show is by monthly every other month is? Oh no, 697 00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:05.519 no, no, it's twice a month. Twice a month. Oh okay, 698 00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:07.239 you know how Okay, yeah, I got it. I got it. 699 00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.159 I was thinking I was thinking backwards. Yeah, twice a month, 700 00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:14.360 yep. Yeah, consistency is a rule. And uh, you know, 701 00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:16.679 you know, do you actually go into other topics as well or do you 702 00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:22.039 stick to the UFO topic mostly I think, uh, I mean, we 703 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.159 pretty much stick to the UFO topic, right Areel. But we've had you 704 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:30.840 know, we talked about, well, we talk about we talk about Yeah, 705 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:34.639 we talk about all aspects connected to it. So we talk about consciousness, 706 00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:38.800 we get into sometimes cryptids. Yeah, you know, science. We're 707 00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:45.559 going to be hopefully across our fingers have one of the a world renowned expert 708 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:51.400 on simulation theory come on hopefully in September, and so you know, we'll 709 00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:55.320 we'll dig into simulation theory and yeah, anything that basically connects to the UFO 710 00:52:55.400 --> 00:53:00.679 topic, you know, the Book of Enoch, some of those biblical concepts. 711 00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:04.159 Sometimes we dig into those, and so, yeah, we cover a 712 00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.280 lot, We cover a lot, and it's a lot of fun. Yeah, 713 00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:09.199 Yeah, it's great. Well, I can't believe how fast things went. 714 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:15.199 We're already at the end and thank you both so much. And it's 715 00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:19.519 been a real pleasure getting to know both of you, and good luck for 716 00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:22.679 the show. Keep at it. Yes, thank you for having us and 717 00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:25.719 just giving us this opportunity. And we loved having you on our show. 718 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:30.599 It was really fun. I just I steal that last story just sticks with 719 00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:35.639 me and I I just it's such a special story about how you guys met 720 00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:37.800 sucks. Now. I'm going to have to put the link to that in 721 00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.880 the show notes, so yeah, please do. It's such a great story. 722 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:45.159 So thank you, thank you so much for having us on. This 723 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:49.119 was amazing. We just we love we love you, and we love what 724 00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:51.360 you're doing with your show, and we just it was such an honor and 725 00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:53.079 a privilege. Well, thank you so much. All right, you too, 726 00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:58.840 take care, Thank you. Okay, bye now bye. All right, 727 00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:01.840 So we'll be back next week with Greg Gagarion, the professor. I 728 00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:06.800 can't remember where he's from. He's written another book. He's a very interesting 729 00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:08.840 guy. So you have to, uh, you have to make sure you're 730 00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:14.039 back there next week, right here, for that same time, same place. 731 00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:17.519 Do not forget Thursday night. We have we have Alan Pierce on. 732 00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:23.760 It's based on consciousness as well and alternate realities during realities during a coma thank 733 00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:50.360 you all, and keep your eyes to the sky.