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Hey, Hey, everybody, welcome. We're trying to decide we believe this

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is episode six of Everything Is a
Bitch. I'm my gaga. You know

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here with Lifelong Pally AJ Benza,
is it six already? I believe this

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is episode six. AJ. We
were just talking about the merit involved in

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naming numbering episodes, and AJ's point
was, who gives a shit? They

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don't care. I don't tell people
this is the twenty seven hundred episode of

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Famous. I mean they just you
know, they expect it, they like

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it. It's like a delivery.
That was right before AJ told me to

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never read the reviews. Listen,
listen to me. My sister and my

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girlfriend have read reviews, and I
just say, you cannot have. My

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Vie used to send me a website
when we were first starting. Yeah,

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this company kept track of your podcast
right out of trouble, and I would

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read it and I'm like, my
old begetting is I'm reading bad reviews about

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my show. I don't want to
read this shit anymore because I'll start to

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believe I suck. Just let it
go. You cannot read your reviewers.

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You have to at some point in
life you have to realize. Look,

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I have two, three, four
or five thousand hardcore fans, and they're

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gonna be with me no matter what. I don't care about the other people

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who want to talk shit. I
just can't. And I bounced some of

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them from my show too. I
don't. This is my comfort zone when

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I go and do a show.
This is my life, my family.

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I tell you the truth. I
don't want somebody coming in talking crap to

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me. I get rid of them. I don't read review but I hear

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you. My biggest thing is,
don't hide. If you have a criticism

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to make and you want to argue
a point about something I said, or

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a position I took, whatever it
is, don't go making an anonymous exactly

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post on Apple so that you know
you can you can have. You can

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feel better calling me a moron or
saying I don't know what I'm talking about,

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or I'm misinformed, or whatever is. If you really believe it,

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go to the Facebook page or somewhere
where uh, you're not uh anonymously,

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you're where you're disnonymized and uh and
then we can get into a back and

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forth about it, and then I
can show the rest of the audience why

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you're moron and not me, and
so that's my that's my problem with this.

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I have some idiots that that stuff. I'm posted on the Apple thing

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and you knew it this. I've
been getting reviews since the eighties on my

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anything I do. And my editor
in chief at the Daily News, Martin

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Dunn, terrific man from London,
told me half the people hate you,

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half love you. You're doing great. I don't care about your bad letters

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we get, we get bad letters
about you, but they can't stop reading

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you. It's like Howard's Doned.
Anybody that like that, that has a

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show where you know people are offended, you're going to get your fans,

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but there's some fans that are going
to write and say I can't stand this.

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Listen. If everybody likes the show, it will never be a hit.

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If half the people love the show
and people hate the show, those

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people that love the show will listen, and you may very well have a

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hit. Some of those people say
they hate will listen anyway. Out of

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hate. Most won't listen, and
it doesn't matter. You don't need them.

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So any show that doesn't have or
any human being that doesn't have their

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share of people who feel strongly in
a positive way about them and others that

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feel negatively about them. Then that
person's probably never taken a position on anything

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in their lives and they live a
milk toast existence just going along together.

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Look, I both, we both
have the perscudo in our blood, and

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we take fucking positions on stuff.
And that's the way it is. And

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sometimes maybe you know, we might
not always be right, but we were

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not great, but ourselves for ourselves. Out Let me tell you something.

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I do this every day, and
there is sometimes I finish the show and

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I go, oh, I got
that wrong. I made them. Oh

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that's an error. You know.
I want to fix it. I want

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to fix the show, but I
can't, and I read my listeners will

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correct it for me. And I'm
like, anybody who speaks for almost an

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hour a day every day is bound
to trip up you. Just I defy

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anybody to speak for forty five minutes
a day about anything and not have a

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mistake or two. It's almost impossible. So I try to give him entertainment,

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some truths, some value, some
stories, and we all have fun.

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But I had a song in my
bedroom when I was a kid.

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If you can't We'll just say if
you can't remember the sign now, no

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what it was forty years ago,
If you can't baffle them with brilliance,

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oh okay, something about bull dazzle
them right. The point is, of

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course you're gonna get shipped wrong.
But you know you can't read your reviews

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and believe them, because then you
can't believe your positive reviews. So just

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no longer reading. You've convinced that, I'm no longer reading reviews, okay,

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So I want to see if you're
a little bit more on top of

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things. And I'm so sick of
the you know, the five thousand new

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holidays and Day of Remembrance of this
and Day of that and everything else and

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and but but sometimes I think there's
so much of that that you get lost

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in it and you shut down and
you don't consider things that really are important

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and relevant. And and so as
the audience is listening to this, it's

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June teen, and I have to
say that that just on the name,

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it's a really dumb name, folks, just on the just on the name.

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I I didn't realize this ignorance.
I didn't realize what we were commemorating,

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or supposed to commemorate on Juneteenth,
and knowing that this episode was coming

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out on Juneteenth, I just said, I need to just take a minute

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and google Juneteenth, because you know, we have three hundred and seventy five

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days a year where we we honor
transgender people and and you get lost in

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yeah, three hundred and seventy five
days a year. We I know that

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I was saying. I know,
I was saying, there's ten extra days

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you didn't know about where they have
two separate on Stay with me, But

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anyway, uh, I am,
I am. After reading and understanding what

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Juneteenth is all about, I'm now
a very much a supporter of Juneteenth.

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But what I think they really should
do is change the name of Juneteenth.

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And if they changed it to you
know, Emancipation Day or something like that,

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where people understood immediately, wait a
minute, this is about the end

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of slavery, right and uh and
that's something I think everybody of every color

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in the United States would happily celebrate. I think this this holiday is day

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of remembrance, gets lost within you
know, the other the three hundred and

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seventy five other days of remembrance that
have become meaningless to most of us,

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because you know, we just assume
it's about nothing and and this day actually

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has some some real significance. And
so one I want to acknowledge Juneteenth,

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and two I want to say,
uh, may be the first to say

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we need to change the name that
you contained, so that I think you're

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right about the name absolutely. And
I also I have to say, you

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know, I spent a lot of
time with black folks in my life.

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I don't know why. I know
why. I just felt when I was

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a kid, they were more fun. My brother in law introduced me to

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a bunch of black kids playing basketball
every Saturday up in Westchester County, and

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I love their their just their energy, their rhythm, the way they spoke,

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and I'm like, okay, I
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older, I began to travel to
the after Albs clubs, which are owned

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by black men, and I met
everybody there. And last night I was

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with my kids, we had some
dinner for Father's Day, and I said,

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and the black guy was walking by
us having a good time, and

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I said, hey, man,
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time and he was like yeah.
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it feel good to make could be
nice. This sounds awful. I like

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the connection when I see a black
person. I can't explain it, Like,

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I wouldn't feel as good if it
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street in a good mood. But
the fact that I connected with the black

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dude, I said, is that
wrong? I feel better about it and

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I love these people. And my
daughter was like, I get it.

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I get it. I think a
lot of us get it. Do you

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know what I mean? Like it
just I totally know what you mean.

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I just feel better about it for
me. For me, where that really

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happened is with my son playing as
much club basketball and travel basketball as he's

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played over the years, you are
inevitably you're you're part of a team of

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families that you get to know incredibly
well. And you know, once the

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guard gets let down, I mean, once the bullshit stuff that we've all

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been taught or her or conditioned on, once you crack that, and it's

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people with people and uh and just
talking about life and your kids and and

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everything else. Uh. I mean, it's it's great and uh. And

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you know, some of the friendships
we've built up over the years are are

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really special. And you know,
We have a some friends here with his

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son just got a scholarship that my
son had played with and uh he's a

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year behind my son. So we
just graduated high school this year and he's

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he's going out to uh uh to
Oregon to play uhlay college ball. And

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I'm I mean so freaking happy for
that. And the and the celebrations online

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are hysterical. Uh and we're just
having a ton of fun with it.

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I feel the same. I've had
a number of black girlfriends, one in

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particular, I was with for several
years. I and by the way,

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I can talk about Trump for a
minute. When I was dating my ex

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girl, we broke up and she
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Her mother got really ill, and
Trump, who was a racist as

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we know, did all he could
to get her mother the best doctor,

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the best hospital. Like he did
everything and picked up the tab I can't

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stand when people say he's racist.
But getting back to what we're talking about,

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I feel genuinely better when a black
person does well or what have you.

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I just do. I think I
have some kind of guilt, not

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that we had slaves, but I
feel some kind of guilt way back in

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the back of my head. I
feel like these people were treated like shit.

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Like if they had the same ride
we had for the last three hundred

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years, do you think they'd be
behind us? Do you think if they

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got the great schooling they weren't slaves
like they were held back? It bothers

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me, It really does bother me. And I know I'm very critical of

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black culture when it comes to crime, what have your no father at home?

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But it really does bother me because
they didn't get a fair shake.

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Well, and look, the no
father in the home goes back to LBJ

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and the Great Society and creating an
incentive for black women to not have a

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man in the heart. When you
go you go back and you look at

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the you know, pre LBJ.
You know, go through the nineteen fifties,

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in the early sixties, marriage rates
were virtually the same for Black Americans

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and white Americans. It's only what
got started in that era and then what

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has continued to the to the day. I mean, think about that,

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there was a point in time where
and those were much more difficult times racially

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in the United States. There was
a time where seventy five eighty percent of

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black women were married. There was
a family structure, and it's gone from

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eighty to about a third today,
where you know, on the white side

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it's also gone down a lot,
but it's like eighty to sixty eighty to

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high fifties, and so well,
I just wanted to so for those listening

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that don't know, you know,
what June teenth is all about is on

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June nineteenth of eighteen sixty five,
two thousand Union troops arrived in Galveston Bay,

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Texas, and the Army announced that
more than I guess, there were

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two hundred and fifty thousand enslaved black
people in the state of Texas, that

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those people were now free by executive
decree. And the reason that matters is

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because Texas was the furthest west state
of the Confederacy, and so it went

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sort of east to west in the
executive decrees officially freeing people. And so

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that day marks the point at which
all formerly enslaved people we were now free.

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And so it's a really important date
historically of the country and one that

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absolutely should be celebrated by people in
the country of all color. I wish

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the government would have spent as much
much time articulating what this date is and

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what it's about, and giving it
a name that's more fitting for what is

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being celebrated, because to me,
it just got lost with these thousand things

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and all this other shit. So
you know, listen, man, our

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father's both served in the war.
They get a day. Gay people get

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a month and what they do with
their month. And I've been I've lived

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in New Yorpe for many years.
You have no idea what that well that

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the parade, the gay parade looks
like in New York there is outdoor sex

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everywhere. They're having sex on your
stoop while you're home. It's a disgusting

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thing. And we celebrate that for
a whole moment. That's so great that

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you're gay. Listen, man,
I got I've got so many friends who

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are gay. I don't know.
I don't care what you do, but

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don't you how do you get a
month and our fathers who liberated Europe but

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your father was in career, right, how do you how do you dismiss

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that and give gays a month and
our dad's a day. It's bullshit,

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man. Well, and they took
Columbus Day away from us, and oh

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that's gone tore down a bunch of
the statues, right, yeah, Ricks

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Columbus was a racist and all this. Look, I think I've seen a

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trend. There are there are schools
in the South that are now back to

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adopting the names of Civil War heroes, et cetera. They're going back to

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that. They're bringing those names and
back, which we need to do that.

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You cannot erase your past or else
you're not gonna know where you're going.

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You have to show your past.
I'm very honest to my show.

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I tell everybody what I've done in
my life. But that allows you to

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see where I'm headed in my future. Don't erase America's past, as ugly

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as it might have been. You
got to. You have to show it,

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otherwise you're never gonna know how to
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our our warts and all. You
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slippery slope like everything else once you
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a a general in the Confederacy,
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I mean, it's just the line
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of a sudden, you're taking Lincoln's
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of schools and crazy so anyway,
happy happy June teenth. Next year,

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we we have a different name for
for Junete. Okay, it being June

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teenth. As you're listening and we're
recording here on Tuesday, it's just two

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days ago that we all celebrated Father's
and I saw that that USA Today had

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I had come up with a list
of the ten worst Father's Day gifts a

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J and I don't I don't know
if if you're going to be in sync

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with this. I found this pretty
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listed ten, So I'm gonna go
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one being the absolute worst gift.
So number ten was jewelry. Now I

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know you don't mind jewelry. I
don't really mind. I love jewelry.

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I have ten pieces on my body
every day. I'm sick with jewelry.

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I love jewelry. Yeah, I
don't know. I still wear a watch

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a lot of the time. I
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But and my kids, But my
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that I thought was a weird one. Nine. I'm definitely with them on

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barbieue tools, barbecue of course.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I know

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that. Yeah, it's such a
it's such an easy go to for any

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that's like, oh shit, I
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me take two minutes to do it. Let me log onto Etsy and see

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if somebody's got something. But here's
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But listen, like Mother's Day gifts
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you know, get some flowers.
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the family. Father's Day traditionally has
always been. And I've seen people online

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complaining about fathers get dumb gifts and
they don't. People don't care what they

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give us. Listen, man,
as long as my children acknowledge that I'm

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a great dad and they come around
or text me or say something. My

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daughter gave me a card. She
wrote it herself. She drew the I

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have a tattoo on my arm of
a wolf print. She drew that,

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and she said, Daddy, you
know I love you. You introduced me

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to music when I was a little
baby, and now that's all I think

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about is music. That means more
than any gift you can give me,

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you know, I don't care what. I don't want to tie or a

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fucking spatch love for the barbecue.
Just I love that they say what they

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say. So I don't care about
gifts. My kids. You know,

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they're not running around with money.
They're nineteen and sixteen. Just acknowledge that.

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Oh you're a good dad. I
love you. The cards. The

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cards mean more than yeah, the
cards are ever anything. But Mother's get

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celebrated more. And I'm okay with
that, I really am. And look,

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it's it's just like Valentine's Comparing Mother's
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it's also the same thing with Valentine's
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woman, it's not about the guy. I agree. I get my wife

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something very meaningful for Valentine's Day,
and I expect a little card from her,

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and you know, and maybe if
I don't fuck it up, a

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little bit of action that night,
if I don't screw it up. Which

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fifty to fifty propositions are so wait, so on this list, believe it

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or not, numbers number number eight
was socks. Who don't Who the f

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gets their dad socks? I never
got socks. Okay, I've never gotten

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socks either. I can't believe that
made the list. Okay, number seven

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is a definite best dad merchandise coffee
cups have you? Yeah, yeah that

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happens. That's really bad. Yeah, I don't want that. Six is

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gym Attire. I never got that, gim attire. I get my own

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clothes. No one buys me shorts
in the tank top. I know.

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I never got gym atarre never abother. Get you Gymitar. It's more than

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than a hint. It's more than
a hint. I mean that's all.

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I know where you're going. Yeah, I need a lot of Gymitar and

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a membership. Five and four I
mean they're just five is cuff links and

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four as bow ties. I mean, who the hell? Links and bow

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ties? Botox? No botox bow
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would be better. Give Have you
ever done bothtox? I've done it four

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or five times. It's great,
it's great. Well you you have a

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good complexion, you know, like
you've aged very well. And I've done

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it because I had Bell's palsy and
it lifted up the left the side of

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my face. That it's great.
Botox is tremendous. If I had a

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if I had a physical reason,
you would do it. You know that

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I needed to do it. Look, I mean, you have no creases

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up there. Nothing. I mean, I've got got I got this.

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I got like a Batman crease.
You know you could see men have all

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these insecurities. I have the under
eyes of my father, a little baggy.

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You have the Batman increase. I
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weird. I don't know why.
I don't spend that much time in the

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mirror. It scares me. I
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I I'll see things that really bother
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And my wife will take out my
wife, I'll take my son's and I

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can't believe they'll do this. She'll
pull out her her magnification mirror and she'll

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get she'll get them to lay down. I mean, and she'll start popping,

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ship on popping. No, no, no, no, I mean

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maybe maybe a couple of times in
my life I had I had like an

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ingrown hair or on my shoulder or
back that was so painful that I asked

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her to intervene. But but maybe
I've done that three times. I mean,

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they'll go under there I know fairly
often and for some reason they lie

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about it. But women enjoy that. They love to do that. Let's

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look it. I have. I
have a perennial black head on my upper

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chest and my back on the same
side of my body, and I'm my

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wife and I are separated for four
years. She will still ask me,

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do you need me to squeeze the
black like she loves it. They haven't

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squeeze it in four years, but
like I see it, I'm like,

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she used to squeeze this. I
can't do it myself. I don't know

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why, but there's like an instinct. There's like an instinct there, Like

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the one of the new dogs that
we have. I don't know what the

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dog's problem is, but it's on
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you know, actually we take it

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to the vet and and have the
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and then my I've just decided that
she should just do it. Yeah,

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so she'd just go right in there
attacking the dog's ass and express and I'm

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like, are you fucking kidding me? Thank you for It's true. You

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do that. Dix will go into
a dog's asshole and cleavy anal glands a

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dog's ass, the dog's ears.
Okay, you know, look, I

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haven't had a BJ since nineteen sixty
seven, but you'll express the dog's ass.

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Yeah. No, they're so good. They're so into that. And

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I'm like, why are you so
into that? But other things are no

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like I know, and the dog
needs it. My sister was really good

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at my dad. My dad was
older, as he was getting really sick,

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we'd all give him rub down to
three of us, me and my

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two sisters, and we put all
console lotions and potions on him and rub

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them. And and I'm sixty two
now. He died in sixty one,

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and this is what he was in
his fifties. And I go, Dad,

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why isn't your second tell work on
your left foot? I don't know,

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it doesn't bend. I have no
idea what happened. I I'm actually

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at that point now where there are
different things on my body that don't work,

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and I don't know what to tell
people, like I don't know.

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I don't know why I can't touch
my back, my lower back. I

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don't know why my left to doesn't
work on my fingers going to spasms.

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I don't know, but chicks love
to address it and take Thank God for

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them, and they go to the
They'll go to the doctor for anything like

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anything like me. You know,
I'm a couple of months behind you.

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I'm going to be sixty too soon, right, so I'll uh, I'll

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hurt something like I have something wrong
with this this left elbow. I don't

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know what it is. I know
I'm not going to the fucking dotor.

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What's gonna do? Well, you
need surgery on your left elbow? What

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because I'm trying out for the Yankees
next year. I mean, what am

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I gonna do with my my left
elb I'm not not even my jerk off

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on if it was. If it
was, then maybe maybe I would think

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about that. But but so what
so so there are things that you just

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go, Okay, You're like you're
a car and you get a warning light.

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Okay, Now, my warning light
says, you know, a complete

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transmission failure. All right, I'm
going to go to the freaking doctor.

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You got Yeah, But if it
says, you know, your rear window

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will only go down one third,
that's the equivalent of my ebos screwed up.

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I'm not going to have a freaking
doctor f around with me and start

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to telling me I need a surgery. I went, listen. I have

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a thirty year old car. It's
a mint blue nineteen ninety three Lincoln.

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It is gorgeous. The white New
Yorker that died on the highway about a

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year and a half ago. I
got a blue Lincoln. It's gorgeous.

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It's I mean mint And what model
is it? What model is it?

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Signature series Linking Continental nineteen ninety three. It's a fucking big blue boat.

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I'd love to send me a picture
of Oh well, and I put the

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air conditioning. I have to fix
the AC no problem. And then yesterday

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the ignition switch would not turn them
with the key. I'm like, now,

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thank god. The guy that the
body shop is right next door to

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the hotel. I go, what's
up? He says, Oh, that

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can happen with Lincoln's especially you got
to call a lockspill. They'll fix it.

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It's just a thirty year old car. Like, there's gonna be shit

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that happens. Like our bodies sometimes
our need doesn't work right, or our

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elbow. It's just wear and tear. It's just the way it is.

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You know, you have to walk
through those things and you'll be okay,

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I'll pay you when I have.
As a guy, your default is unless

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it's you know, complete transmission failure. I'm not really gonna screw around with

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it exact. But the tendency if
you're a woman is if everything isn't operating,

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you know perfectly, I got to
go. I gotta go to the

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doctrincy. Anyway, let me let
me go through these last three so we

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can get beyond Father's Day here at
this right, it's going to be a

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ten hour podcast. Okay. Number
three was Hawaiian shirts. I never you

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know what, I just never got
those shirts. I never did I've gotten

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my sister would buy me like the
you know, Tony Soprano made the big

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button down lazy shirts popular, and
I had a few of those from my

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sister Rosalie. But otherwise, don't
buy me Hawaiian shirt. Go to a

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luel. It doesn't doesn't work the
one part of a year you need it

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for. It's just this just a
bizarre list. Number two golf golf related

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items I don't mind so much gets
me. I'm jealous of you. I'm

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jealous. I've only hit golf at
top Golf. I've only hit you know,

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what do you call it. I've
only smacked some golf balls at top

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golf with a friend of mine about
four years ago. And I totally understand

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why you guys love it. I
didn't. I didn't want to think about

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it for all my adulthood. But
I totally get why you guys love it.

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It's so hard, but it's a
great day with your buddies, your

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bullshit, your break balls. You
have a few trainers shit golf, but

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you do that. You've done How
long have you been golfing twenty years more?

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Oh? No, I've been golfing
since I was twenty years old,

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so I mean forty years. Wow? And are you good? I mean

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I played a lot in my like
thirty five to fifty. I played a

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lot and I got I wouldn't say
good, you know, I got to

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where I was like a twelve thirteen
handicap, which is, you know,

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is pretty good but not good,
but it's good enough. Because of the

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handicap system, you can play golf
with anyone. So it's like the handicap

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system in golf allows the guy who
shoots ten strokes worse to play against the

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guy that's ten strokes better, and
that guy doesn't have an advantage because on

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the ten hardest holes, he's given
me a shot. So if I get

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a five and he gets a five
on the hole, I win. Oh

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right. So that's how the handicap
system works in golf. And so it

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creates this social environment for golf where
really anybody who plays can play with anybody

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else who plays. Now, somebody
who's really really good isn't going to have

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the patience to play with a twenty
five handicap, but you know, a

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scratch golfer playing with a twenty five
handicap. But basically, you know,

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when I was playing a lot,
I could play with anybody from you know,

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scratch to somebody who's a twenty.
And well, how do you feel

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about the whole situation with golf right
now with the Saudi Arabians and people leaving

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the tour to play for them,
Which I'm actually shocked that you're up on

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that, But hold that thought for
one second, because I want to.

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I want to give the number one
shittiest Father's Day gift is fishing gear for

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those of you I do love to
hear what it is. And it's weird

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because the last two items that they
say are the shittiest are actually, to

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me are better than everything else on
their list. So, Mike, you

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I grew up on the day we
fished, we clanned cramped. I miss

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fishing so badly. Where do you
go in Los Angeles to fish? I

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drive along to PH's no boats out
there? Where are you going to fish?

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00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:40.640
Catalina? Oh dude, no where
do you We went on some great

407
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:46.480
charters there. Yeah, you go
to take my sun fishing. Then he's

408
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:52.480
dying a fish. Oh no,
Just go to any of the marinas.

409
00:32:53.839 --> 00:33:00.240
Long Beach has got a big one, Marina del Rey, any any of

410
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:05.240
those areas, Malibu, I'm sure, yeah, And just go online and

411
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:09.079
search charge check it out, and
you know you can go just like where

412
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:13.480
we grew up. You could go
on a party both where a bunch of

413
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.519
people are, you're paying a lower
fee and uh, there are a bunch

414
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:20.319
of lines in the water. Or
you could go with a private or center

415
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.920
private charter where you're going with just
you know, a handful of people.

416
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.359
But man, I miss it.
We did it a bunch of times out

417
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:29.920
there. I mean the Jib four
of the Jib five back in the old

418
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:34.119
days of Long Island, and I
went. My brother in law was five

419
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.759
years ago after my sister passed,
and the three of us fished and my

420
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:43.559
brother law Frankie won the won the
pool with the biggest fluke. I missed

421
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:45.400
that so much, man, I
got to get back out there and do

422
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:50.200
that. I love it. Fishing
is just fantastic to me. It's a

423
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:57.119
lot like it. Golf and fishing
have to be the top two. Uh.

424
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.880
You know, escapes for for guys. I mean you get away and

425
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:07.359
be with buddies, or you're taking
your kids whatever. But it's your your

426
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:09.960
uh you know, it's your escape, it's your fun. I get it.

427
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:14.000
Yeah, you got to have a
little bit of that. So I

428
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:15.280
didn't get it till I was older. I didn't get it when I was

429
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:20.840
younger. I remember I was arguing
with Howard Stun's producer. I forget his

430
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.360
name now, But when I got
kicked off the show, I said,

431
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:30.039
because he's a big golfer, I
forget his name, the head of the

432
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.599
network whatever. I can't think of
his name, And I said, you

433
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.199
talk about golfing for five hours a
day, and I actually said, and

434
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:42.800
I regret it. Your wife's fucking
somebody else. You can't leave your wife

435
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.039
on the weekend for five hours.
I was I was throwing for you know,

436
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:50.599
a laugh, but I know that's
not true. But I just did

437
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.519
not like golf. And now when
I see people do it, I want

438
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:59.920
to do it. I really can
feel how that's fun because you know what,

439
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:04.960
there's not many things we do anymore
athletically at our age. Well that's

440
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.840
it, that's it. But you
know what, now a lot of people

441
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:13.360
playing pickleball. A lot of people
playing pickleball, because you know, we

442
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:19.159
probably at our age you can play
tennis, but probably get yourself hurt playing

443
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.159
playing tennis because you, I mean, you really got to exert yourself and

444
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.159
and be in shape to play,
and it's tough on your knees. This

445
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:29.760
game is a lot easier on them
because the court's a lot smaller. You're

446
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:34.960
playing with with whiffleballs that don't go
as as fast, and you're and you

447
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:39.400
know, you're almost always playing playing
doubles. It's a cocktailing. A lot

448
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:44.760
of people do it at night and
they're building, you know, just like

449
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:50.199
you're seeing top gulfs everywhere. You're
seeing these pickleball places go everywhere, and

450
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:57.880
you know they're all getting liquor licenses
and serving. It's a big thing.

451
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.159
It's huge. I saw them.
I Rock and I were playing at the

452
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:05.360
court the other day in Van Nines
and there was a two pickleball courts and

453
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.320
a couple of men in their forties
were playing a great game, like they

454
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:14.320
were smashing it. I can't do
that yet, but that's interesting. That's

455
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.960
good stuff. Yeah, it's a
big thing. Remember remember when racquetball was

456
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:22.320
so weird that that just like died, like who killed racketball? I know,

457
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:27.599
you know, my son played ball
at his friend's house and I said,

458
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.400
show me the court and he goes, it's in door. Dad,

459
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.320
it's a big white room. I
said, you're playing in a racquetball court.

460
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:39.599
So some apartment complex built a racquetball
court for the people who live in

461
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:44.199
the complex and they just got rid
of racketball and they put some hoops up.

462
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:46.599
I said, that's fun, that's
great. You're in a white room

463
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:54.280
with two hoops. And somebody,
somebody, somebody's responsible for racquetball died at

464
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:59.480
some point. But you know,
you go when you watch like some old

465
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:05.039
seventies movies and there'll be scenes where
the guys are playing racquetball, and if

466
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:09.199
you're watching, all your kids are
like, what the fuck they got goggles

467
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:14.840
on? Se Dustin Hoffman playing racquetball
in a movie. I know it was

468
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:16.840
a big thing back in the eighties. It was was there a Was there

469
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:22.639
a Wall Street scene where he was
playing racketball? Thinking of no, it

470
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.559
might have been Michael Douglas. Remember
the there was a big racketball place,

471
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:34.280
Remember the Caprio Hotel? They sure
up road there was a racquetball course next

472
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:38.159
to that slash gym that I belonged
to. But I remember playing racketball with

473
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:42.760
some of the guys at Newsday,
the newspaper, and it was crazy.

474
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.119
Hit off any wall you were goggles. It was No, it was a

475
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:50.239
big deal for It was a big
deal for But that's what I'm saying.

476
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:52.400
How did you like who killed?
I don't know, Yeah, I want

477
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:57.800
it was responsible for the death of
racket racketball. Good point. We need

478
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.000
to after we do our that other
movie we decided we were doing about recruiting

479
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:06.239
fish kids for eating context. We
got to do the We got to find

480
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.199
the guy that destroyed bracketball, right, I do want to I do want

481
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:15.039
to talk about that US Open for
a minute, because I know all of

482
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:20.440
all of your fans are huge golf
fans. I know they're not, and

483
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:24.719
so I'm not gonna I'm not going
to go into a long thing about it.

484
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:29.320
But because it was Father's Day,
which often the US Open is is

485
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:35.880
decided on Father's Day. Most years
it aligns with Father's Day. And because

486
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:39.639
of that, it's one tournament that
a lot of women do watch, a

487
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:44.480
lot more women than normally watch because
you know, let's face it, one

488
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:50.559
of the one of the perks of
Father's Day is you know, you're controlling

489
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:55.280
the TV until until twelve o'clock,
right, So, so I know it's

490
00:38:55.320 --> 00:39:01.519
the one day year my wife watches
any golf. And what you saw,

491
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:07.960
if you watched, was the effect
of pressure on the ability of people to

492
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:15.519
perform, because you had two of
the greatest golfers in the world today on

493
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:22.039
the final nine holes and especially the
final three or four holes of that tournament

494
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:30.239
absolutely fall apart. I mean Rory
McElroy, who is the great player for

495
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.639
many years. He's number two in
the world right now, but he hadn't

496
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:40.920
won a major tournament in ten years, so it's been a decade since since

497
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.719
since he had won a major.
And he missed a two foot putt,

498
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:57.519
a two foot putt on the sixteenth
pole. He had made four hundred and

499
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:05.199
ninety six straight of less than three
feet on wow, So he had made

500
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.119
four hundred and ninety six in a
row. And he had this thing.

501
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:14.880
This This is in a normal game
of golf between friends. It's one of

502
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:16.599
those where you go, that's good, it's a gimme, yeah right,

503
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:20.280
you don't even make the guy hit
it. In here, you have the

504
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.119
number two player in the world miss
a two feet and I knew it when

505
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:27.000
I saw him line up, I
knew it. And it was texting back

506
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.559
and forth with John Ziggler, Who's
who's a big golfer. Ziggler's a,

507
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.159
uh, well, did you see
him doing wrong? I saw that he

508
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.760
wasn't square to the hole, he
wasn't lined up the way he usually lines

509
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.000
up to hit a putt, and
I couldn't understand why. I didn't know

510
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:45.239
why his caddy didn't grab him.
It was just bizarre. And and then

511
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:51.760
he pushed the putt and missed it. Bryson Deshamba the guy who ended up

512
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:58.039
winning it couldn't put And this guy
hits the golf ball further than anybody else

513
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:02.480
on the tour, and I mean
absolutely just obliterates the golf ball and was

514
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:07.159
hitting it straight for most of this
tournament, which is why he was winning

515
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:12.960
it going into Sunday. But all
of a sudden he couldn't put the ball

516
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:15.880
in the fairway. And at the
US Open, if you don't put the

517
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:20.119
ball in the fairway, you're gonna
be in jail. And so he was

518
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:24.119
hitting out of what they call the
native area at this course, Pinehurst,

519
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:30.280
but he kept getting lucky and kept
having it's you keep hitting your ball ship,

520
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:34.559
but some somehow you find it and
you can actually get a club on

521
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:38.840
it, and blah blah blah.
And so mclri's falling apart missing putts.

522
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:43.760
He missed another one on He missed
one on eighteen that was a little bit

523
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:49.039
less than four feet another putt.
He makes ninety nine points something percent of

524
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:54.000
the time. And Deshambo absolutely,
you know, pulls the ball like a

525
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:59.599
right hand hitter hitting a home run
down the left field line. It's literally

526
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:05.239
up against the grand stand. And
he had and instead of just chipping it

527
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.119
out and then going for the green
from there, where he would have had

528
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:15.239
a decent chance at making park.
He tries to hit some wild hook out

529
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:19.639
of the stuff and puts it into
this impossible position in a bunker. One

530
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:24.559
of the hardest things to do in
golf is to hit a fifty to fifty

531
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:30.239
five sixty yard bunker shot. So
you're not right next to the green,

532
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:37.000
you're fifty yards away from the green, and you know it's probably normal.

533
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:43.559
Pro has a ten chance of putting
the shot he had inside of twenty feet.

534
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.760
He puts it four feet and that's
why it makes the butt and he

535
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:52.239
wins the wins the championship. But
what got missed by everyone who doesn't follow

536
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:59.320
the sport is that, as you
said a little bit ago, a couple

537
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:08.440
of years ago, the Saudi's basically
came and did a hostile take over of

538
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:16.400
professional golf in the United States.
They attacked the PGA Tour by setting up

539
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:23.599
their own tour and then paying unbelievable
amounts of money to players to come over

540
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:30.639
and play in their tour, knowing
they were going to lose millions and millions,

541
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:36.800
and I say millions, tens and
tens of millions. But in so

542
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:45.599
doing they really changed the fate of
the PGA Tour, which people don't realize.

543
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:50.280
But when the PGA Tour comes to
your city, they did. It

544
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:54.280
operates like a big charity. They
do a tremendous amount of community work.

545
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:59.840
They bring millions and millions of dollars
into those communities where they play. And

546
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:06.519
the thing really hasn't operated like a
company operating for profit. It's you know,

547
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:10.000
the players make money winning winning tournaments
and gain fame that allows them to

548
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:15.400
you know, collect money and name, image and likeness basis. But the

549
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.760
but the tour, you know,
basically functioned as a sort of a break

550
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:23.320
even type of operation. There's a
large staff there that needs to get paid,

551
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:30.039
et cetera. But uh, but
this really really made it difficult and

552
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:35.880
lured a lot of big players away. Rice and Deshambo's probably the second biggest,

553
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:42.639
maybe third biggest former PGA player to
now be playing on the live tour.

554
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.960
Him God the name of Brooks Koepka
and God the name of John Rahm

555
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:50.760
probably the three biggest that have gone
over there. And they get paid a

556
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:55.920
fortune just to appear in these lived
tournaments that no one watches there. The

557
00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:01.920
only deal they could get done for
coverage was a d deal with with an

558
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:09.159
independent network of television stations. I
mean, just nobody watches, and nobody

559
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:13.840
watches any of it. It's bizarre, what's happened. They're paying a fortune

560
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:16.639
to these people. Nobody's watching the
tournament's even Phil Mickelson's over there playing.

561
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:24.079
The other person making a shipload of
money from their tournaments is Trump because they

562
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:30.000
play multiple events at Trump venues.
They play at the time right well,

563
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:34.599
they play at Trump's course in Miami, which is called Durrau, they play

564
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.400
in the h they play an event
to the one in New Jersey that he's

565
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:45.800
always at, and uh and yeah, and he's got one. So there's

566
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:49.480
no telling what they're there's no telling
what you what would you do? I

567
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:52.760
mean, you get to a certain
point in life where, hey, if

568
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:57.039
there are fering that kind of money
and I've already got I've got more than

569
00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:00.400
I need. But why not get
the big money and go play with l

570
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:05.119
I V. You know, like
I've been on TV many times, I

571
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.079
won this and that. Now I'm
gonna go for the money. Make sure

572
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.960
my family is okay forever. I
don't know. Is it that big a

573
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:15.960
deal. Look, I wouldn't do
it, but uh, but there are

574
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:20.599
it is, these guys are all
multi millionaires, right, but they were

575
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.000
they all were before. Yeah,
yeah, I mean most of them.

576
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:28.199
There are some players playing on the
live tour that are lesser players. But

577
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:35.239
look, it's it's uh, you're
taking money from the Saudi oil family,

578
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.119
I know, and so you know, it doesn't matter to you where your

579
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:42.599
money comes from. I know,
I guess not. I mean to those

580
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.119
people doesn't. Obviously to Trump,
it doesn't. I mean he's taken enough

581
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:51.039
no fortune from from those people to
host to host those tournaments. But you

582
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:57.960
know, uh, people like like
Rory McElroy and and Tiger Woods and others

583
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:02.079
have stood up for the trade and
defended the PGA Tour. And so what

584
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:09.360
this what this was was not just
McIlroy versus Deshambo, but the PGA Tour

585
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:15.000
versus Live, except NBC didn't want
to tell you that, and so NBC

586
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:20.519
never ever brought up during any of
their coverage of the weekend the whole live

587
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:24.159
versus PGE thing. Right, the
crowd seemed to be oblivious to it.

588
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:28.760
I mean, it was just bizarre. It was like you're watching something and

589
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.960
wondering. I mean, am I
one of just this small fraction of people

590
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:37.679
on planet Earth that understand what's going
on here? And so I don't know

591
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:43.639
that anyway, it was to me, the biggest takeaway from it, and

592
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:51.760
I had this discussion with my sons, is just you see what pressure,

593
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:59.400
you know can do, and this
is this is a tremendous performance pressure on

594
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:05.440
these guys to the point where their
performance level, uh, you know,

595
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:07.800
dropped tremendously in the face of it. And so it can happen to the

596
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:13.159
best golfers in the world, it
can happen to anybody and everybody. And

597
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:19.000
you know, you have to have
you have to have some system you use

598
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:25.800
two you know, to fight that
adversity off when when it hits you.

599
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:30.599
And and look, most of us
don't live lives that ever put us in

600
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.320
a position like Rory McIlroy and Bryce
and Shambo we're in. But you know,

601
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:39.360
you had to perform in front of
audiences. But let me ask you

602
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:44.599
a question. I'm just to you
know, I remember when I first thought

603
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:46.679
of doing my show on the Streets. We're in Las Vegas doing it.

604
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:53.639
An episode about George reed Superman,
and there were people behind the camera on

605
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.880
the on the Las Vegas strips staring
at me, and I said to my

606
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:01.840
producer, I can't do this with
them watching me. Can we just go

607
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:06.199
someplace else? No, we can't. This is the shot. You got

608
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:08.000
to do it here. And I
have to memorize the paragraph. Whatever the

609
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:14.360
hell. And I always when I
watch golf, I'm like, Okay,

610
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:17.920
yes, it's a very difficult sport, but no one's yelling at them.

611
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:23.000
No one's saying if you miss this
put, your coach will be far the

612
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:28.519
general manager might be out. I'd
like to see golf for at least a

613
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:34.440
week played with people who want to
boo while the guy's putting, because there's

614
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.760
no pressure when there's no people streaming
at you, like basketball or football or

615
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:43.440
I mean, let's see some pressure. I know you know what the pressure

616
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:46.960
feels like you play golf. But
I want to see not golf claps.

617
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:51.840
I want to see someone saying,
fuck you, so and so let's make

618
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:58.119
that put. I'd like to see
their tendency then when people are really angry

619
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:01.000
like every other athlete. Yeah,
but dude, it's a different kind of

620
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:07.760
So look, we we've both done
it when you get butterflies in your stomach

621
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:13.519
before a football game, before a
basketball game, before even a baseball game,

622
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.800
but the second the game starts,
you're in constant motion. You know.

623
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:22.280
The first time you hit somebody on
the football field, the nerves are

624
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:23.519
gone. The first time you get
hit, the nerves are gone. The

625
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:30.400
first time shot you take, the
nerves are gone. The first golf doesn't

626
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.599
move at that pace. You hit
a shot, then you have to walk

627
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.639
all the way to where your ball
is and then hit the next shot,

628
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:43.360
and then you know. So it's
it's a different, a very different kind

629
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:47.800
of sport where those if you get
those butterflies, they ain't gonna go they

630
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:52.039
don't go away that easy like they
like they do on the on the football

631
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:59.000
field. You're I mean you the
game can just break them. I mean,

632
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:00.440
we just we just saw the number
two player in the world. He

633
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:07.039
announced that he's taking several weeks away
from the game after he couldn't he was

634
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:14.159
crying and couldn't bear to watch the
final ceremony, didn't even congratulate de Shambeau.

635
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:19.039
He got enough. He got in
a courtesy vehicle and sprinted and sprinted

636
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.400
off the grounds. He's a better
human being than that. He has a

637
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:30.679
lot more class than that in that
in that moment, the flow of emotions

638
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:34.119
he had, the would think of
a field goal kicker, or a guy

639
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.400
in a free for a line with
a championship at stake, or a quarterback.

640
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:42.239
This guy hit this square out to
this guy. This guy felt left.

641
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:46.320
This guy felt like he let Ireland
down, he let the PGA tour

642
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:50.880
down. He I mean, there
was so much, there was so much

643
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:57.079
riding on this, you know,
And like I said, it's it's fascinating

644
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:01.360
in a way to just see what
pressure no it is, and I you

645
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:07.400
know it is. And I don't
want to see people screaming at golf matches,

646
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:12.360
but I do. I would like
to know how much, well how

647
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:16.079
much they'd be better or worse if
people were actually talking while they putted,

648
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:22.719
because no other sport lets you just
do what you want to do without screamings.

649
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:29.159
And they're both tremendous sports that I
can never play. I don't mean

650
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:30.800
to act like there's no big deal. I'll tell you something. When we

651
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:37.760
first were doing this podcast seven years
ago, remember Tiger Woods got in the

652
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:42.719
car accident and I said, I
got to show I know that the judge

653
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.960
who gave him the judge was really
good to him because he wants to play

654
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:52.679
golf Tiger Woods. But just for
our listeners, Tiger Wood shows up.

655
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:57.039
Have you ever played a beth Page
on the island playing in that crocket?

656
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:02.039
So the beth Page course is a
big, big deal. And big Glack

657
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:07.079
and my buddy Stuve Feiner, who
taught me all about handicapping and getting money

658
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:12.239
from gamblers, we were together for
years in the eighties. He lives in

659
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:17.239
beth Page and actually Farmingdale, big
beautiful home. Tiger Woods came there and

660
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:22.400
said, I want to live in
this guy's house because it's close to the

661
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:29.320
course, and I will take all
my furniture. I'll like It cost him

662
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:32.239
two hundred thousand dollars. He paid
my buddy to move all his furniture out

663
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:38.559
of his home and then Tiger put
his furniture in this house in Farmingdale and

664
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:43.800
then went ahead and golf on the
bed Page Black course. That is just

665
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.440
astounding to me, you know,
like just to move your home into someone

666
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:53.559
else's home to feel better while you're
golf. I don't there's no other sport

667
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:58.639
like that, No one else could
do that. No, that's somebody who

668
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:00.719
needed his head, all the money
in the world, that needed as a

669
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:07.119
routine to be exactly how he wanted
his routine to be. And yeah,

670
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:14.719
that's a that's crazy that these guys, these guys do you know end up.

671
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:16.360
You know, they have people that
arrange everything for him, but they

672
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:22.280
will go in in advance, and
they will find a house to rent for

673
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.519
the length of the tournament, and
they won't generally move all the furniture out

674
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.559
new furniture in. But yeah,
it's crazy. Well, you know,

675
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:36.599
since we're on sports, let's stay
on sports, because every time, every

676
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:40.599
time I think things are going to
settle down and uh, you know,

677
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:46.920
controversy is gonna stop flowing in the
the whole Caitlin Clark w NBA thing,

678
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:53.000
it just it just keeps ongoing.
And you know, this week saw I

679
00:54:53.039 --> 00:55:00.400
think some of the some of this
stuff just up the shark to the point

680
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:09.679
where you know, it's so obvious
that those that are making the accusations of

681
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:19.119
racism are actually the ones committing some
pretty gross racist acts in this whole thing.

682
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:22.840
And how this is just lost on
all of them, I don't understand.

683
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:30.320
I don't understand how hm, there
aren't people there to to sit these

684
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:34.199
people down and say, wait a
minute, I know this, this is

685
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:40.519
not it's a great thing. It's
great, it's it's great for all of

686
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:49.639
you. This is this is not, uh, the white supremacists of America

687
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:55.280
discovering the game of women's basketball and
all coming to watch because their savior,

688
00:55:55.400 --> 00:56:01.880
a white girl who can shoot from
thirty feet is out there. Now.

689
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:09.440
I saw a few episodes ago.
I think I I criticized Bill Maher to

690
00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:15.199
you for how he handled something in
an interview with Meggilly. Well he had.

691
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:22.000
He had Charlemagne on. I saw
a show, and not that it

692
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:28.519
was a stroke of brilliance, but
Charlemagne, who was repeating this rhetoric of

693
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.519
all of this being, you know, showing how racist the country still was,

694
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:37.199
blah blah blah. Bill mar says
to him, well, you know,

695
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:44.599
how do you explain Serena Williams and
tedxactly? And Charlemagne just looked at

696
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:46.719
him and his eyes glossed over,
like, well, you know, I

697
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:51.559
don't know, Yeah, I know, I know I saw that, and

698
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:52.840
I first of all, I was
watching. I said to my son,

699
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:58.519
this Charlemagne, this guy's a plant. They've meant. Look, I don't

700
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:00.599
know how to explain this. There
are so young people that get ahead of

701
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:06.599
the world in different avenues of work. Stephen A. Smith, who I

702
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:13.840
enjoy Charlemagne. There were some people
that just attain these heights and then we're

703
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:16.039
supposed to just listen to everything they
do, and they're just the greatest.

704
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:22.039
Charlemagne isn't shit. He's if you
know, his background is history, where

705
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:24.239
he came from, how he went
to jail. This is not the person

706
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:28.679
you want to base all your beliefs
on what he thinks is right and wrong.

707
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:32.280
He's an asshole. And Bill Maher
said to him, well, Serena

708
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:37.880
Williaman, he had nothing to say. So all these people are trying to

709
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:43.199
tell you, well, Caitlin fucker
is white, and this is why the

710
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:49.199
league is just bowing down. I
saw the foul that the what's the name

711
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.519
the Bay of Barbie and jel Reese. There was a basketball play. She

712
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:57.280
hit her head with a four arm
I get it. It wasn't It wasn't

713
00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.679
like the other one last week when
the guy the girl just after Kennedy shoved

714
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:04.840
it like great, this is a
basketball play going to the hoop you hit

715
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.239
in the head. Calm down,
they're making everything crazy. Well, look,

716
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:14.159
I think the right thing for Caitlin
to do is to say, hey,

717
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:16.159
it's a basketball play and we're all
they're playing hard. She did,

718
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:22.960
But between you and me, I
don't know. I don't know. I

719
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:28.079
mean, I want to play a
bunch of different times. And you know,

720
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:31.199
if you're trailing number one, if
you're trailing that play, the shot

721
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:35.719
gets blocked, right, I mean
not by not by Reese, but by

722
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:40.960
the freaking center who's sitting there that
that Clark is dribbling right into right.

723
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:45.840
So if you're trailing that play and
you see that, you don't do what

724
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:50.559
Angel Rees did. You know what
you're saying. I know what you're saying.

725
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:54.480
But it's a bang bang play.
And look, well look they reviewed

726
00:58:54.480 --> 00:59:00.039
it and their tendency. If it
wasn't, they wouldn't have called it a

727
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:07.800
flagrant foul. If it didn't at
least obviously deserve to be flagged as a

728
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:12.360
flagrant foul. Now, are there
other flagrant fouls in almost every game that

729
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.039
gets played in the w NBA or
every day? Yes? Are they black

730
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:22.519
on black often? And and so
there's a microscope on everything that goes on

731
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:29.119
here it because I mean, it's
just it's just amazing how it has mushrooms

732
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:35.280
into this. But people have to
accept and understand that Calin Clark is a

733
00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:39.039
skinny white girl, a young white
girl who was propped up in college for

734
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:45.760
breaking records one to the final two
got drafted. There's a there's a hazing

735
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:51.639
period where these chicks who've played in
the WNBA, college and also Europe and

736
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:55.119
have come back from Europe. There's
three different levels of play, collegiate,

737
00:59:57.039 --> 01:00:00.440
WNBA and Europe. Those are all
three different styles. So somebody these chicks

738
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:04.360
come back and they're like, no, I'm not gonna just let this girl

739
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.719
do what everybody thinks she can do. She's gonna hear it from me.

740
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.079
She's gonna get pummeled. Look.
Man, Well, when we were in

741
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:15.239
our forties playing basketball against my nephew
in his twenties and his buddies, me

742
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.440
and my buddies were like, look
at we have to hurt them. We

743
01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:22.679
can't beat them physically because they're too
young. So when they go to the

744
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:27.960
basket, hurt them. That's exactly
what's happening to Katelyn. Well, look

745
01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:31.960
the opponent is always going to try
and find your weakness. They're gonna test

746
01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:36.239
the toughness when you're new to it. But but look to me, it's

747
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:39.760
like Angel Reese gave away. She
said the quiet part out loud. She

748
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:45.039
said the other day she said,
some people get a special whistle. Exactly

749
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:51.119
there, you bullshit, Angel.
She doesn't get us. She doesn't get

750
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:53.920
a special whistle. She's out there
playing the same game you are playing.

751
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:58.079
You got a bunch of people looking
at this and looking at all the fowls

752
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:01.159
called against her and reviewing. Nobody's
seeing a bias in you know, she's

753
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:06.199
not getting the Michael Jordan whistle.
Now, there was a point in the

754
01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:08.280
in the NBA with Jordan whre if
he didn't make the shot, the assumption

755
01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:14.280
by the ref was foul and the
whistle and and you gotta whistle, right.

756
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:16.559
I mean, as a Nick fan, how frustrating was it? A

757
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:21.199
series? I know where you know
if you if you breathed on them,

758
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:25.519
uh, the foul and Oakley and
Anthony Mason everything else, we were more

759
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:31.000
than breathing on him. But but
anyway, this is her name, Jefferson.

760
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:37.079
It wouldn't be a problem today it's
because she's Caitlin Clark, the whitest

761
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.760
two names in the world. If
she was a black chick coming out of

762
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:45.440
Illinois or whatever, Indiana, they
wouldn't have a problem with her. It's

763
01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:50.119
a white black thing. And it's
also add on to that the new chick

764
01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:54.400
who's got all this, all this
uh popularity and press. So they're gonna

765
01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:58.360
they're gonna welcome her into the league
in a certain way. It'll clear up

766
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:00.519
by next year. It's gonna be
one year bullshit. She'll be fine next

767
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:06.119
year. That's why I feel,
I don't know, We'll see because now

768
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:12.719
what I've got, you got people
lining up on both sides now. And

769
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.760
so you got Stephen A the moron. I know, he's saying some of

770
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:22.599
the stupidest ship I've ever heard.
And that guy two months ago, he

771
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:31.320
he shocked a lot of people with
uh some comments that were very conservative.

772
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:38.480
Yeah, and he got he got
challenged by a lot of people for what

773
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:46.239
he said, and so he reacted
and went back and uh and everything he

774
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:52.559
has said since then has come from
a far leftctive perspective. And this whole

775
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:57.159
thing is, I mean, well, have you seen Jason Whitlock has done

776
01:02:57.199 --> 01:03:00.920
yet through Uh okay, Whitlock has
been there every step of the way on

777
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:05.840
his heels, and he's been calling
out all the lies that stephen A says

778
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:09.079
about his college career. And I
got a scholarship for singing seventeen threes in

779
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:13.000
a row. He's like, no, you didn't. You averaged one and

780
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:17.159
a half points a game. You
say college, you were horrible. I

781
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:22.199
know I'm liking this because I love
it. I love Whitlock. I like

782
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:24.159
Steve Lay too. I'm entertained by
him. But I know he's full of

783
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:30.119
bluster. I know that look he
is. He figured out what clickbait was

784
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:35.000
before anybody knew what clickbait was,
and he's been in a clickbait business on

785
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:39.360
ESPN for million years while he's making
me a fortune over there, But I

786
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:45.039
know six million. I watched another
morning. I have a story that that

787
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:50.440
going into Father's Day. The story
caught my eye and wanted to I wanted

788
01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:52.599
to bounce it off you. I
don't. I don't know if you would

789
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:57.599
have ever heard about it, but
I think this was in What did I

790
01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:00.760
see it? And I think I
might have saw it in the New York

791
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:05.519
Post. But there's a guy in
Brooklyn they call the Sperminator. Okay,

792
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:12.280
yeah, I know this story.
Okay, so it's crazy. So folks,

793
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:15.880
here's the story with this guy.
This guy is a is a math

794
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:21.400
professor at a college in Brooklyn,
Kingsborough Community College. He uh, he

795
01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:30.559
grew up an Orthodox Jew in upstate
New York. And at some point he

796
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:40.039
started, you know, marketing his
sperm. Yeah, and you know,

797
01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:43.599
not in the you know, go
get fifty dollars for showing up at a

798
01:04:43.639 --> 01:04:47.639
sperm bank and spanking your monkey in
the in the bathroom. This guy literally

799
01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:56.679
marketing his sperm to the point that
he has one hundred and sixty five I

800
01:04:56.679 --> 01:04:59.079
want to say, it's going to
be one hundred and seventy five in a

801
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:04.440
few days based Pond who is presently
impregnated and about to have to have babies.

802
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:11.639
So he's going to have one hundred
and seventy five offspring walking the planet.

803
01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:15.239
So they interview him and they ask
him what he's going to do on

804
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:25.280
Father's Day and he says, wait
a minute, where is the He says,

805
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:33.679
I never did this. He was
he was planning on going to the

806
01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:40.320
zoo. This is like what he
does every year is he goes to uh

807
01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:45.400
Is, he goes to the zoo
for Father's Day. But he yeah,

808
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:48.320
but he oh, here, it
is here, it is here. It

809
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:54.960
is so first of all, he
Sperminator said, he sees many of his

810
01:05:55.079 --> 01:06:00.000
sons and daughters often, mostly the
fifty six who live in the New York

811
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:02.400
York. You live in New York, the twenty who live in New Jersey,

812
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:08.079
and the thirteen who are in Connecticut. So he's got basically half of

813
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:15.920
his half of them are in the
are in the Tri state area. So

814
01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:21.159
after a Sunday morning, return to
Brooklyn, Okay. So he expects that

815
01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:26.760
he and a handful of his kids
along with their mothers will go to the

816
01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:30.239
Bronx Zoo like they did last year
on Father's Day. I will receive many

817
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:34.679
gifts and cards, he said.
One piece of advice he tries to import

818
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:41.000
to his descendants is to embrace saying
yes to do favors, new experiences,

819
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:45.280
invites an opportunities. It's the key
to a fulfilling life. But he wishes

820
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:50.000
there was a woman out there who
would say yes to him. Quote.

821
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:56.159
I have all the dating apps,
but haven't had much success finding a woman

822
01:06:56.360 --> 01:07:00.559
who wants to date someone with one
hundred and seventy kids. You know,

823
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:06.400
I'm also pretty broke, which doesn't
help. Yeah, no kidding. I

824
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:12.159
mean, look, I've never done
that. One hundred and seventy five.

825
01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:16.199
There's something really sweet about that,
but something very strange as a man to

826
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:20.280
walk around knowing that you fathered or
you're the father of all these kids.

827
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:25.159
I look, I've said this before
on my show. This is nothing new.

828
01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:30.199
I've got ten abortions in my past. Okay, ten girls. No,

829
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:34.079
not yeah, not ten girls,
but ten abortions. I was a

830
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:41.039
I mean, I was just so
forget the word careless. The girls knew.

831
01:07:41.159 --> 01:07:45.920
It wasn't like you know, but
I did, Mike. I didn't

832
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:50.360
rest until every girl that I was
with in the past finally had children,

833
01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:57.239
and I said, okay, thank
god they're all okay because I've been through.

834
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.679
Some girls had two and I was
just horrified by it. But back

835
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:05.559
then they didn't want children. It
was a mutual decision, you know,

836
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:10.119
father being a father's nothing to joke
about. I don't know how you could

837
01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:13.480
do that and just give you a
sperm to so many people like that.

838
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:15.600
What does it do to you as
a man? How do you walk around

839
01:08:15.720 --> 01:08:23.000
knowing there's that many children alive because
of what you did. I could never

840
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:26.119
do that. I could have a
sleep at night. Well, it's sat

841
01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:30.319
somewhere in there that he keeps up
with it all on a spreadsheet. So

842
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:33.319
no, but think about it.
He's got all those in the New York

843
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:36.800
career. I mean, at some
point, what are the odds that you

844
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:42.159
know they be a girl. You
got a little accidental, a little accidental

845
01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:47.600
incests going on because you know he's
the one seventy five doesn't know who the

846
01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:54.399
other one hundred and seventy four are. Right, answer question crazy, You've

847
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:57.159
been a good man. I know
you have because I know you for fifty

848
01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:01.199
years, and I know there's never
been a situation in your life where you

849
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:05.720
had sex with a girl and didn't
quite know if she was pregnant. I

850
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:11.039
don't think that that's not been your
life. I've had those experiences. And

851
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:16.399
I remember dating this girl, Jackie
Black Girl, for like three days.

852
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:20.840
We hung out and she left whatever, she went back to whatever she was

853
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:25.520
living. And then I got a
call about a year later, and I

854
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:30.119
heard my message and she was like, ag, it's Jackie. I want

855
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:33.479
to talk to you about something I
never I could never call her back.

856
01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:36.159
I have a feeling that she was
going to tell me she had pregnant.

857
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:41.800
I don't know, I could be
wrong, but I remember hearing that phone

858
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:44.439
call going, no, I'm not
I can't call her back. It's been

859
01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:48.359
years. What is she going to
tell me? Horrifying? So if it

860
01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.000
was a real series, she probably
would have tried you a second time.

861
01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:56.119
I would imagine if it was,
I would agree serious. But you know,

862
01:09:56.600 --> 01:10:00.880
my sisters we all like, you
know, I don't know my dad.

863
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:03.039
We found out about my dad after
he died. That you know,

864
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:06.239
at his funeral there were women.
There were people talking about, oh,

865
01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:09.840
your dad, but the women.
He was great with women. And we're

866
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:12.880
going, like, what, he
worked five minutes from home, he called

867
01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:15.720
the mother six times a day.
How could he what women? And they're

868
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:19.439
like, no, no, your
dad was womanizer. I had no idea

869
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:23.399
what they're talking about. So Rosalie
and I my sister, always go,

870
01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:28.159
is there a kid out there that's
that's daddy's And we don't know. I

871
01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:30.800
don't know. But to hear people
who work with him and say, oh

872
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:35.159
your dad, I mean the women, look, I can't believe they said

873
01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:40.119
those things to you, and they
said that the funeral I heard them wasn't

874
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:45.479
to me. Remember you came and
made you came to my father's funeral,

875
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:48.239
and you saw my cousin Raymond,
who had really long hair. He was

876
01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:53.199
a hippie. He was in Vietnam. His head was so long, and

877
01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:57.520
you said to me, Granted I
wasn't laughing at this point. I was

878
01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.079
so, you know, miserable,
and you go, hey, it's I

879
01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:08.960
that's zz top funeral. No,
but so maybe I always knew how to

880
01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:13.359
get a like I could get a
j to laugh in class and I would

881
01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:15.640
never get in trouble for it.
He would get in trouble for it,

882
01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:17.960
and so but I would. Also
I also had a pretty good sense to

883
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:24.359
when you needed a laugh, So
I don't I don't remember that one,

884
01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:31.159
but it sounds fucking me at the
funeral, and then Gallagher said, I

885
01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:35.720
think there's a keg Uh, there's
a keg party downstairs, stupid ship.

886
01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:40.840
And thank god I laughed so hard. I needed it. I needed it.

887
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:47.520
Was like when I think about Gallagher
the the So there's another guy we

888
01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:54.319
went to mycho called him Godzilla.
He was a weightlifter, big wrestless,

889
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:59.720
strong guy, the best physique,
lifted weights everything. He started working out

890
01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:02.359
when he was four, Okay,
something like that, right, And he

891
01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:05.720
was he was that kid in school
that all he cared about was everyone knowing

892
01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:10.079
he was the strongest kid in school. So, like I remember the first

893
01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:14.000
time I met Gallagher at Beachfields,
He's like, where do you go to

894
01:12:14.039 --> 01:12:18.800
school? I go to to Seconta
Because second talk, who's the toughest kid

895
01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:24.039
in school? I don't know.
I think maybe, I think maybe that's

896
01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:28.279
George, George Perez. I could
take him. He was tough. I

897
01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:30.720
could take I could take him,
like, you don't even know who the

898
01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:35.479
you don't even know who the guy
is Mike, And I'm but whatever,

899
01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:40.159
that was a West is something I
could take him. But Mike Gallagher grows

900
01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:45.560
up to become a fire chief lieutenant
nine to eleven, like he became who

901
01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:49.520
he's supposed to become. Mike was
a hero, and his brothers were too.

902
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.960
They all became fireman. I mean, but when I think of Mike,

903
01:12:56.039 --> 01:13:00.560
instantly goes to Gallagher is next to
uh this this girl on a couch

904
01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:08.119
and he's trying he's trying to okay, trying to make out with the girl.

905
01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:13.600
Now for any other humor and okay, any other human being on planet

906
01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:16.039
Earth. If the girl's on your
right, you would take your right arm

907
01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:23.960
and you would put it around her
shoulders, and the bring Gallagher is reaching

908
01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:29.520
across with his left arm and like
putting it behind, like he's gonna put

909
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:34.800
her in a half nelson, and
and then like makes out with her.

910
01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:42.279
Somehow from that position we ended up. We called it the crossover method,

911
01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:46.520
and for the rest of his time
in high school, we just completely abused

912
01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:49.640
him. Anytime he was talking about
a girl, we're like, oh,

913
01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:56.560
she'd definitely go for the crossover.
And you can say say the cross of

914
01:13:56.640 --> 01:14:00.399
a method. But I remember Gallaghan
at Obi. We were I mean,

915
01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:04.279
he was. We did some bad
shit, breaking windows on cars, just

916
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:09.680
stupid shit. But Mike would rip
his shirt off before a fight. If

917
01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:13.399
a guy was like after him,
he would rip his show up and show

918
01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:17.920
the guy's physique. And his physique
was amazing and usually most fights didn't happen.

919
01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:21.399
But his brother Freddie was a tough
guy. Brian was a tough guy.

920
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:28.199
His father was a fire chief.
There were tough people, but you

921
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:31.199
know, on my on our twentieth
reunion. I know, I came back

922
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.279
and I love I'm gonna say this
because it meant a lot to me.

923
01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:41.079
I came back being in Hollywood my
twentieth reunion. I dressed. I had

924
01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:45.199
leather pants on for the reunion.
I had a seat for Killing Black Sweater

925
01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:48.199
Kill. You guys were destroying me, and I'm like, I've been in

926
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:50.840
LA for years. I'm like,
what's wrong with this outfit? They were

927
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:55.479
like, what the fuck are you
doing? Everybody had like business suits on.

928
01:14:56.000 --> 01:15:02.279
And when we got to like the
whole affair at Lagrange, somebody wanted

929
01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:06.399
my autograph. Some girl wanted an
autograph for a kid, and I'm sorry,

930
01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:10.840
and Kenny would was like, what
the fuck are you doing? I

931
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:14.560
said, I don't know she wants
an autograph. Why would you do that?

932
01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:17.359
I said, I've done it before
people. I don't know. He

933
01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:23.239
made me feel like such an asshole, Kenny, and you were like,

934
01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:29.680
my like, how can I put
this my conscience? Like you guys would

935
01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:34.000
always if I was going off kilter
or off rail, you guys have the

936
01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:39.039
ability to raid me in. But
Kenny was like, don't fucking sun autographs?

937
01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:42.800
After union, I said, Mark
it just she wanted one. What

938
01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:45.079
am I gonna do? Swalk away
as I can't do that. I can't

939
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:50.000
do that, but the reunion,
So Sheila Lambert ready, that's the one

940
01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:55.600
that Galla was with. And for
I had a ball, I had,

941
01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:59.960
I had some flags with a few
high school girls that I didn't have flame

942
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:03.119
with the high school. But twenty
years later I did like Robin Pisone and

943
01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:10.760
Maria DeAngelis, and Sila Lambert made
a move on me, and I feel

944
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:15.319
really bad because I shouldn't have said
a name, but mehow she she was

945
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:17.199
like after me and I really don't
want to be with her, but she

946
01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:21.640
came to Rose this one night we
messed around and she was really opening her

947
01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:26.520
heart that her life was falling apart, and you know, she had done

948
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:30.039
some cocaine and her husband saw it
in the bathroom and he wanted to divorce

949
01:16:30.079 --> 01:16:33.000
her and take the kids. And
I remember going, what how did you

950
01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:38.600
get? What's wrong with you?
And then my life went into like a

951
01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:42.800
free fall, And I'm like,
Okay, I get why this happened to

952
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:47.000
some people. Sheila was unhappy with
her man, and Robin wasn't happy with

953
01:16:47.039 --> 01:16:53.840
her man, and it was a
real eye opening situation for me, the

954
01:16:54.600 --> 01:17:02.279
twenty eighth reunion. I couldn't believe
how how people were living and then admitting

955
01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:06.760
how hard things were in marriage wasn't
right. And I mean, did you

956
01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:12.439
did you ever? Did you talk
to anybody there like that you were flirting

957
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:16.680
with or dating? I just couldn't
believe, like, people's lives twenty years

958
01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:21.960
later are really in a bad way. To me. The biggest thing that

959
01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:32.239
hit me was how I was able
to immediately reverse twenty years. Just Kenny

960
01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:38.359
and I were just we We did
the same stupid shit that we did in

961
01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:43.800
high school that that entire night.
So we were given the people, we

962
01:17:43.880 --> 01:17:46.600
gave ship to ship. We were
flirting with the girls that we you know,

963
01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:54.720
would flirt with and the best.
We were asking every girl for a

964
01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:58.479
picture of her husband because most people
didn't bring, and then we would rip

965
01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:00.640
up. This is who you ended
up? Are you kidding me? I

966
01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:05.680
know you had a shot for me
in eleventh grade? Why with this guy?

967
01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:10.000
And you go, well, he's
a lawyer, he's he's really good,

968
01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:13.560
he supports us, he's he's look
he looks ugly. I know we

969
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:18.399
were awful, but I have a
videotape. My nephew Joey followed being around

970
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:24.079
with a camera and film all that
out of the grange and all the people,

971
01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:29.119
and I got fined. Oh,
I gotta find it's gonna I'm gonna

972
01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:33.439
be embarrassed by the way I acted. But I really you know what's interesting,

973
01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:38.760
you guys, it was a big
misunderstanding. I took a limo with

974
01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:42.800
I think Whitey and but you guys
thought, like a Jay's taking a limo,

975
01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:45.840
like he's a big shot. No, I just I wasn't in your

976
01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:51.399
limo. So we created another limo
situation with them. Oh, I thought

977
01:18:51.439 --> 01:18:54.920
you had a limits. Well,
it's only a mile from a house.

978
01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:58.479
But I thought, well, maybe
I was an asshole. But we had

979
01:18:58.520 --> 01:19:03.239
a limo me I think didn't have
leather We didn't have leather pants, you

980
01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:06.600
guys. Miss You guys killed me
when I walked in. I'm like,

981
01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:11.439
I want to go fucking change right
now. This is horrible. But the

982
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:15.199
truth is that I always say this, and I mean this one of the

983
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:19.199
most clear things I can think of. When I left New York for Los

984
01:19:19.239 --> 01:19:24.760
Angeles, even though you and I
weren't talking much at that point, I

985
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:29.880
really lost the guys who kept me
in in in order in a row,

986
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:33.479
my my pylons. I like to
call them like I lost those guys,

987
01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:36.039
to say, hey, don't do
that. You know, if I can

988
01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:40.319
asshole, don't say that. And
when you go to LA and you're being

989
01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:45.439
treated, you're speaking to producers and
movie people and tiving people, you tend

990
01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:49.439
to start believing you're the best.
And what I needed was my guys back

991
01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:54.960
in West is to say, she's
an asshole, he's an like And I

992
01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:58.159
missed it. And I wanted to
tell you guys when I got there,

993
01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:00.680
and I was able to tell you
years later. The one thing I missed

994
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:03.800
was you guys. I didn't want
to be away from you, guys.

995
01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:10.640
I wanted to be one of us. And you know, it's never the

996
01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:18.800
friends that you make at thirty and
forty. It's nothing like the friends you

997
01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:28.520
make at ten and fifteen. It's
the and you know, twenty years I

998
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:38.279
spent in LA and probably six months
after I left, it was really really

999
01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:46.680
clear to me who the handful of
friends I actually made in LA were,

1000
01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:55.319
and who the other fifty people that
we considered friends when we lived there.

1001
01:20:55.479 --> 01:20:59.880
How fake? Oh of their shit
is how fake their their lives were,

1002
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:03.600
how fake they're interested in our lives
were all of that sort of So it

1003
01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:10.680
is it breeds it out there.
It's everything is fake, just you know,

1004
01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:15.560
uh, from the boobs to the
to the you know, talks to

1005
01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:25.600
the I mean, it's a no
one. Very few people actually have a

1006
01:21:25.640 --> 01:21:31.279
sense of self. Actually, they
have a clear understanding of who they are

1007
01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:36.640
and what they stand for and what
they believe in. They what they believe

1008
01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:43.239
in is wherever the money is coming
from next, and how to work their

1009
01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:46.159
way up the ladder. Who's asked
they need to kiss and and you know,

1010
01:21:46.279 --> 01:21:53.199
and it's a it's really gross.
I mean you really you lived around,

1011
01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:56.840
I mean you had you have some
Hollywood friends that are you know,

1012
01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:01.319
big time people. I imagine those
people are not what you're talking about.

1013
01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:05.399
There were guys who you've lived there
and you're friends with who have been in

1014
01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:10.399
Hollywood for decades and they're pretty grounded. Let me tell you something. I'm

1015
01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:14.359
uh, one of my best friends
in the world to this day is Andy

1016
01:22:14.359 --> 01:22:20.520
Garcia, right, and uh,
honest as the day is long. He

1017
01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:25.199
is a great father, he's a
great husband, he has great values.

1018
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:31.119
He would he he knows who he
is and you know he he lives that.

1019
01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:39.079
And I've I've been with him in
scenarios where people tried to, you

1020
01:22:39.119 --> 01:22:45.840
know, pull him into trouble in
one no way not going there. Wouldn't

1021
01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:48.920
go there. I mean to run
out of Staples Center, run out of

1022
01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:54.199
Laker games, to the car with
him to escape, you know, the

1023
01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:59.399
the chase going on. And so
but it takes a it takes somebody who

1024
01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:06.680
take somebody who's deep, somebody who
has a real sense of of of morality

1025
01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:13.600
and what they believe in. And
that's just a great family guy who is

1026
01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:18.600
not about any of the crap that
tell you. But I've been around you

1027
01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:24.680
know, the Mickey Rocks and the
George Clooney's. It was a buddy of

1028
01:23:24.680 --> 01:23:29.640
mine for a while, and they, I mean as as big as George

1029
01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:34.159
is and was and Nicky was,
they would they would cry, like they

1030
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:39.239
would actually talk to me about life
in the Hollywood and their eyes would well

1031
01:23:39.319 --> 01:23:45.159
up with tears. There's something that
you have to eliminate in your life to

1032
01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:48.960
get what you want in Hollywood.
It's evident on their faces. I mean,

1033
01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:53.600
Nicky has called me at four o'clock
in the morning at my sister's house

1034
01:23:53.960 --> 01:24:00.680
in tears because of some bullshit movie
situation. It's just not those are not

1035
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:03.000
the men we grew up with,
Like our fathers would never that kind of

1036
01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:09.560
guy crying over a job. It's
a very different you know. I just

1037
01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:12.720
I grew up wanted to be famous. I grew up wanting to be known,

1038
01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:16.119
and that's where it led me.
And you know, I like being

1039
01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:24.159
known, but I'm much much liked
better being one of the guys. There's

1040
01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:28.720
no comparison. I don't give a
fuck how much money there was at the

1041
01:24:28.800 --> 01:24:30.680
end of the rainbow. It is
no comparison. I want to be right.

1042
01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:34.119
I also think, and I don't
know this, we've never had this

1043
01:24:34.159 --> 01:24:40.439
conversation, but I also think that
growing up in a in a place where

1044
01:24:41.359 --> 01:24:44.840
you spoke your mind, you didn't
pull punches, You called it, you

1045
01:24:44.840 --> 01:24:51.760
know, you called things out that
that's not very welcome in La La.

1046
01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:56.239
If something's going on you don't like, you're supposed to just shut your mouth,

1047
01:24:56.279 --> 01:25:01.520
pretend it's not happening and move on. And you're talking to me about

1048
01:25:01.600 --> 01:25:08.279
losing I mean, my career suffered
because I have a mouth, and I

1049
01:25:08.319 --> 01:25:13.239
mean I have a mouth and The
podcast has been a place for me for

1050
01:25:13.279 --> 01:25:18.039
seven years where let's be honest,
we're very lucky. I've said everything I

1051
01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:21.880
wanted for seven years. We had
one dust up you and I the what's

1052
01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:27.640
your name? That's it. And
I can't think of a better revenue for

1053
01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:30.520
me to have, which is to
tell you the truth about Hollywood and about

1054
01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:34.920
people in it. And I know
all that. I know everything about the

1055
01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:42.079
machine of Hollywood. I'm not surprised
by anything. Thank God for the podcast,

1056
01:25:42.119 --> 01:25:45.039
because without the podcast, I would
have this feeling in my chest that

1057
01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:49.479
I'm not letting people know something.
I have to talk, as you know,

1058
01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:55.399
I have to be loud, and
this has given me the chance to

1059
01:25:55.399 --> 01:26:00.000
tell everybody what I know. It's
not from somebody who thinks they know Hollywood.

1060
01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:03.640
It's from somebody who was in it
in the bedrooms of the biggest people

1061
01:26:03.640 --> 01:26:09.560
in the world. I know everything, and I thank god I have the

1062
01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:13.920
podcast to do that, because it
would be really hard to walk around walk

1063
01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:17.359
around with this feeling in my chest
of no one knows like I want to

1064
01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:23.239
tell people this bullshit. I want
to tell people. It's a great release

1065
01:26:23.279 --> 01:26:28.680
for me well and for the people
that have followed you and followed the show

1066
01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:36.039
since it began. They've come to
know you deeply and understand that what's an

1067
01:26:36.199 --> 01:26:45.239
unbelievably rare personal characteristic that you have, which is good times bad times,

1068
01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:54.640
there's no difference. You're going to
criticize yourself honestly, You're going to say

1069
01:26:54.640 --> 01:27:01.000
what you did, talk about what
happened. You're not capable of of bullshitting

1070
01:27:01.079 --> 01:27:09.359
it all out there, and at
times it's not flattering. I mean,

1071
01:27:09.399 --> 01:27:14.000
at times there's some shit, but
I don't care. I don't care because

1072
01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:17.640
I think all of us fall down, face down the mud sometimes, unless

1073
01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:23.960
you have a really well crafted life, most of us fall down face down

1074
01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:29.640
and looking up you might see the
curb or the sky, but I know

1075
01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:32.079
we've all been there. I don't
know what your falldown was in your life,

1076
01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:35.840
but there comes a point where you
go, I did this all fucking

1077
01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:40.279
wrong, man, and you've got
to correct yourself, dust yourself off,

1078
01:27:40.319 --> 01:27:44.560
and do it again. And I
think that's why a lot of people like

1079
01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:47.600
to hear it because and by the
way, Mike, people should know this.

1080
01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:53.560
There's not an email, a text, or a message on Instagram that

1081
01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:57.439
I don't return. I call my
listeners. I don't call them fans.

1082
01:27:57.760 --> 01:28:00.399
I call them, I write them, I see them, we have dinner

1083
01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:04.319
together. And I just think that's
what they like the most, that this

1084
01:28:04.359 --> 01:28:09.960
guy is a regular guy. He
just has his experienced ship that we never

1085
01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:14.039
will but it's great to have him
around because he knows the ship. That's

1086
01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:19.000
the way I think. I think
the you are the perfect person for this

1087
01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:29.239
platform because the the potential intimacy that
the platform offers you've you've taken full advantage

1088
01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:34.760
of because you've let people inside you
and uh and in turn, you've welcomed

1089
01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:41.520
them into your life. You take
criticism from them, you ask them for

1090
01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:45.479
advice, you make friends with them, but they better me. I call

1091
01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:48.159
them, I make friends with them. And I wonder You're you're not new

1092
01:28:48.199 --> 01:28:51.279
at this, but you've been at
this for a while now where you're actually

1093
01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:56.199
speaking on a podcast. What is
it that it does for you? What

1094
01:28:56.239 --> 01:29:00.560
do you feel because you're never You've
never been that guy that wants to limelight,

1095
01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:03.920
you know, Mike, You've always
been like a very pragmatic, great

1096
01:29:04.000 --> 01:29:10.560
person, smart, well healed.
You know what is it about podcasting that

1097
01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:14.399
you think? Oh? I like
this, I like being hurt that's kind

1098
01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:21.279
of new for you, isn't it. It is it. I didn't know

1099
01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:28.880
this, but I think it was
something I always wanted to do, just

1100
01:29:29.039 --> 01:29:32.520
never really got the opportunity to do
it. I mean, I was in

1101
01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:38.560
the media business for you know,
thirty plus years, but always on the

1102
01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:45.239
sales and management side of things.
Occasionally would have something that would cross over

1103
01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:48.159
onto the content side, but I
was never in front of the camera or

1104
01:29:48.279 --> 01:29:54.079
the or the mic. But but
I have opinions. I always had opinion,

1105
01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:57.079
and I have more opinions now,
I know, of course, than

1106
01:29:57.119 --> 01:30:00.600
i've than I've ever had. I
mean, what's gone on on in the

1107
01:30:00.640 --> 01:30:08.199
country in the last ten years has
really it's it's changed my life. It's

1108
01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:13.560
changed my Uh the way I look
at the world. I'm probably much worse

1109
01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:17.359
off for it financially, but I
don't care. I don't think of it

1110
01:30:17.560 --> 01:30:21.680
that way. I don't look at
life through uh, through that kind of

1111
01:30:23.479 --> 01:30:29.319
lens, you know. I feel
like I'm I'm living you know, as

1112
01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:32.920
and honestly I can be proud of
them. And part of part of the

1113
01:30:33.319 --> 01:30:43.279
getting away from la thing that you
realize is you realize how much you can't

1114
01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:49.359
how many times you bit your time, how much you compromised things you you

1115
01:30:49.479 --> 01:30:56.159
really believe in because because there was
a dollar involved in it, And you

1116
01:30:56.199 --> 01:31:00.279
know, I'm just at a f
that I'll never do that again. I'm

1117
01:31:00.319 --> 01:31:03.119
embarrassed and I forget it. I
know. But uh, maybe all of

1118
01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:09.399
that sort of combined to compel compel
me to uh, you're good, You're

1119
01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:12.600
you're good at it, you have
you have a lot to offer. And

1120
01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:19.039
I I remember being with Howards Derned. I've been lucky that I've been with

1121
01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:25.960
some people who really had a strong
standing in this life, whether it's Robert

1122
01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:29.720
Evans or Nicholson, or or Howard
starting to Harvey Weinstein if I can bring

1123
01:31:29.840 --> 01:31:32.760
up a bad name. But I've
been around those guys so long, and

1124
01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:38.800
I'm like, I when I approached
you, I was asking my manager at

1125
01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:41.840
the time, he's now deceased.
I said, Howard, I need I

1126
01:31:41.920 --> 01:31:45.560
got to do a podcast. I
have so much to say. Trump's gonna

1127
01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:48.720
announce, I have stories to tell. He's like, well, there's no

1128
01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:54.159
radio shows, there's no money in
radio. He was like trying to figure

1129
01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:57.119
out where I fit. I said, I just want a podcast. How

1130
01:31:57.119 --> 01:32:00.119
do I do it? And then
you and I met and at Bob's Big

1131
01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:04.560
Burger, Bob's whatever, BIG's Boy, and it was like kismet. Oh,

1132
01:32:04.640 --> 01:32:10.039
I have podcasts. That's what I
do. I've got Mike Tyson's podcast.

1133
01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:12.279
And I remember you said, well, do you think you have enough

1134
01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:15.600
material? I said, Mike,
just turn the mic on. I'll never

1135
01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:20.640
run a material. And even yesterday
I was in a bad mood. I

1136
01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:25.720
didn't feel good, my car didn't
start. I'm making plans to go to

1137
01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:28.479
Chicago. It didn't work out,
and I'm like, I don't even want

1138
01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:30.399
to go. Fuck it. I
started writing a text to you and Joey

1139
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:34.760
saying no show tomorrow, and then
my son was like, you can do

1140
01:32:34.840 --> 01:32:38.199
a show. I said, yeah, I know, and I just got

1141
01:32:38.239 --> 01:32:42.199
out of the mic and just talked
the way I talk about. I forget

1142
01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:45.640
what I even did. Oftentimes,
I forget that yesterday's show was about.

1143
01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:49.640
But it's so cathartic to me.
It's really good for me. And I

1144
01:32:49.720 --> 01:32:55.520
wonder if you get the same feeling
when you talk. When you're done,

1145
01:32:56.199 --> 01:33:00.439
do you feel like you've got uh
something off a chest out of your system.

1146
01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:04.439
We didn't even talk about Jerry Sandusky. Yeah, I'm on a story.

1147
01:33:04.640 --> 01:33:11.199
Yeah, I'm not at that stage. I'm at the stage where I'm

1148
01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:15.159
trying to get better at it and
just looking at uh, you know,

1149
01:33:15.239 --> 01:33:20.000
listening to each show that I do
and thinking, you know, do you

1150
01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:24.560
are you coming off the right way
or you I think, I think what

1151
01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:27.960
you mean to say, but did
you did you deliver that the right way?

1152
01:33:28.159 --> 01:33:31.239
But here's the thing about you.
If I can not critique, but

1153
01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:38.720
you're very smart. You have sound
advice. I've learned when I as a

1154
01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:44.159
writer to you, just it's what's
it's what you take away that makes your

1155
01:33:44.199 --> 01:33:48.000
story better. It's like a sculptor. There's the block chip, chisel,

1156
01:33:48.079 --> 01:33:51.520
chisel, block, block banging out. You've got to get rid of ship

1157
01:33:53.039 --> 01:33:58.760
to make your your story or your
advice more crystal clear. You can talk

1158
01:33:59.000 --> 01:34:03.840
a blue streak for a long time
because you're very smart and you're very You've

1159
01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:09.239
been around the world. You understand
life. I would only tell you.

1160
01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:13.479
The only thing I would tell you
is just I don't even know like you.

1161
01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:16.079
I listened to you. I want
to hear what you say. I

1162
01:34:16.279 --> 01:34:23.399
just learned to say less and to
make the words I say stronger. And

1163
01:34:23.479 --> 01:34:29.720
that might upset some people, but
I learned less words, stronger, pronounce

1164
01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:32.479
something better. You know. I
can sit there and I know right now

1165
01:34:32.520 --> 01:34:35.439
tomorrow's show is going to be thirty
seven minutes. I just know what I'm

1166
01:34:35.439 --> 01:34:39.359
going to talk about. It's in
my head. I've been living with it

1167
01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:43.640
and sleep as I wake up.
I know what I'm gonna say. Maybe

1168
01:34:43.680 --> 01:34:47.399
that's my my talent of being on
air for many years, but I just

1169
01:34:47.640 --> 01:34:54.640
know, Okay, this I'm gonna
Howie Mandel, I know where I'm gonna

1170
01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:58.279
go, you know, and I
have to get it out. It's actually

1171
01:34:58.319 --> 01:35:01.720
like I don't know, an exorcism. I have to get it out where

1172
01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:05.479
I feel like shit. I hope
you get that way one day. I

1173
01:35:05.479 --> 01:35:09.680
hope I do too. I'm not. Maybe there's a little bit of that,

1174
01:35:11.319 --> 01:35:15.000
Like I really, I really,
you have a much You have a

1175
01:35:15.119 --> 01:35:18.760
much bigger life than I do right
now. You know, You're you're living

1176
01:35:18.760 --> 01:35:21.920
with your wife and kids. You
have a career. She has a career.

1177
01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:27.600
You know. I'm in a different
spot right now where I have the

1178
01:35:27.720 --> 01:35:32.279
time to just say what I want
to say in this motel room. It's

1179
01:35:32.279 --> 01:35:36.640
a different life in a different time, I might have not said as much

1180
01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:43.279
or been as enthusiastic to talk.
But I think you have everything, you

1181
01:35:43.359 --> 01:35:48.319
live in a great life. Well, but I don't. I don't.

1182
01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:55.520
I'm not carefully couching what I say. I want to uh. I want

1183
01:35:55.560 --> 01:35:59.600
to just speak honestly no matter what
the topic is, and I want to

1184
01:35:59.640 --> 01:36:05.640
not care about anybody's criticism of me
talking honestly about Look, generally, I

1185
01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:14.960
won't talk about something if I don't
feel like I have a strong expertise in

1186
01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:19.640
that subject, that I've invested a
lot in understanding what's going on in the

1187
01:36:19.640 --> 01:36:24.600
situation, Which is why next time
we talk, next time we do the

1188
01:36:24.600 --> 01:36:31.119
show, I really want to talk
a lot about the Penn State scandal.

1189
01:36:31.279 --> 01:36:40.039
The yeah, finally getting the story
picked up in a lot of papers today

1190
01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:45.640
and maybe having some kind of chance
at a new trial somewhere in this guy's

1191
01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:49.079
life. It's gonna happen. I
know what's gonna happen because you, you

1192
01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:54.039
and Zigler did this. It's in
the it's in the ether. And when

1193
01:36:54.039 --> 01:36:58.239
we first met and we were talking
about my show, you were talking about

1194
01:36:58.279 --> 01:37:00.840
Tyson show, and then you were
saying, I got this thing with Sandusky,

1195
01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:04.199
he's innocent. I said, what
are you talking about? The guy's

1196
01:37:04.199 --> 01:37:09.920
a pedophile and you present that everything
and I'm like, holy shit, he's

1197
01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:13.920
innocent. I can't believe this.
I can't believe. And Jane Moore,

1198
01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:16.479
the comedian, told me the same
thing before I saw you, that he

1199
01:37:16.520 --> 01:37:20.199
went through it and he said,
Jerry Sandusky's innocent. I said, get

1200
01:37:20.239 --> 01:37:25.359
the fuck out of here. But
you have a way of laying out the

1201
01:37:25.399 --> 01:37:28.640
facts that are very like, oh, you're like a lawyer. You really

1202
01:37:28.720 --> 01:37:32.239
lay shit out that people can't disagree
with. I don't have that ability.

1203
01:37:32.319 --> 01:37:36.640
I just I'm more of a trumpet. I just like this shout. But

1204
01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:43.680
you really lay things out in a
really good, pragmatic way, you know.

1205
01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:49.680
And I You're made for this,
you really are. And I don't

1206
01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:54.880
know if you feel like, how
can I say this? I like that

1207
01:37:55.000 --> 01:38:00.760
people recognize me. I like it
that people know my show or my kids

1208
01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:03.359
say, my teacher listens to your
show. I don't know if you've gotten

1209
01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:10.199
that or if that does anything to
your head. It fills me up that

1210
01:38:10.199 --> 01:38:13.960
that feels good. I can look. I can totally see that. It's

1211
01:38:14.600 --> 01:38:20.520
it's happened on such a micro level
for me at this point. That and

1212
01:38:20.520 --> 01:38:28.119
and you know, no matter what
nobody around here around me? What ever?

1213
01:38:29.279 --> 01:38:33.359
Ever let me think I was a
deal if I started in the slightest

1214
01:38:33.359 --> 01:38:36.760
bit thinking I was a big deal. So they smack me right back into

1215
01:38:38.640 --> 01:38:42.600
me. But I know what you
mean, but that no, I'm not.

1216
01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:45.800
I'm not. I'm not there yet. But you've never been. I

1217
01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:50.720
don't think you've been that guy that
wants appreciation from the public. That's generally

1218
01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:57.760
not what fuels you, right,
I think that's always fueled me. Do

1219
01:38:57.840 --> 01:39:00.920
you know more than more than me? Yeah, but it doesn't it doesn't

1220
01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:10.279
not feel me. I mean,
everybody likes recognition. I mean, I'm

1221
01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:13.720
just I'm just more even keel probably
I know you are. And isn't it

1222
01:39:13.800 --> 01:39:17.000
funny? Our kids and our wives
well fun They don't care what the fuck

1223
01:39:17.039 --> 01:39:20.079
we talk about, right, I
mean you they don't. They have no

1224
01:39:20.199 --> 01:39:24.880
interest. And I thought for a
while I used to get mad, Like

1225
01:39:24.920 --> 01:39:29.840
when I wrote my book seventy four
and Sunny, it sat on this old

1226
01:39:29.960 --> 01:39:34.279
bar I have, nineteen twenty beautiful
bar and they never opened. My wife

1227
01:39:34.399 --> 01:39:39.079
never read it. And I'm like, I worked on that for a year

1228
01:39:39.640 --> 01:39:43.199
more. It got us out of
New York. It got us back to

1229
01:39:43.319 --> 01:39:45.319
La I got, you know,
one hundred thousand dollars to read the book.

1230
01:39:45.800 --> 01:39:50.680
She wouldn't open the book, and
it made me so angry that how

1231
01:39:50.680 --> 01:39:56.439
could you not read your husband's work. Because while I was writing it,

1232
01:39:56.880 --> 01:40:01.720
I was not the kind of guy
you to be around. I was identifying

1233
01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:05.800
with my dad, which meant I
drank before I wrote because I was I

1234
01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:12.600
was channeling him. It's a it's
not People might not understand this, but

1235
01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:15.960
I had to channel my dad because
the book was a love story to my

1236
01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:19.039
father, and I was channeling him, and I would take I might say,

1237
01:40:19.159 --> 01:40:23.960
drink two shots and a beer.
I'm not plubbing a bottle. But

1238
01:40:24.119 --> 01:40:28.319
she didn't like who I was at
that point. But that's all I am.

1239
01:40:28.399 --> 01:40:31.800
I like to produce things, a
book, a movie, you know,

1240
01:40:32.079 --> 01:40:36.039
a podcast. But it's funny.
Well I would just I would get

1241
01:40:36.159 --> 01:40:41.159
really really hurt if that would hurt
you, Right, I put that much

1242
01:40:41.399 --> 01:40:48.159
effort into something, and my family
wasn't. It wasn't touch that bothered me.

1243
01:40:48.520 --> 01:40:53.520
But that was the beginning of us
breaking up. It just really was

1244
01:40:53.560 --> 01:40:57.439
like, how did you not open
this up? You know it's dedicated to

1245
01:40:57.479 --> 01:41:00.840
you and the kids. What the
fuck? Uh? I'm sorry, man,

1246
01:41:00.960 --> 01:41:06.319
that's uh just hearing it. But
you know what, we we need

1247
01:41:06.359 --> 01:41:12.520
to wrap up. We we definitely
will get into the uh I think we

1248
01:41:12.560 --> 01:41:15.600
covered like three of the great topics
that there's a great show. There's a

1249
01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:18.279
lot of a lot of stuff here. No, dude, it's so easy

1250
01:41:18.319 --> 01:41:23.479
for us to just talk once we
get going. So uh great talking.

1251
01:41:23.640 --> 01:41:27.800
Thank you everybody for for listening.
By the way, if you do like

1252
01:41:27.960 --> 01:41:32.359
us and you want to leave a
comment so I can read that instead of

1253
01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:35.960
that stupid bitch calling me an idiot
and saying I don't know what the f

1254
01:41:36.000 --> 01:41:41.359
I'm talking about, I would I
would love to uh U to read that.

1255
01:41:41.439 --> 01:41:44.800
But and I'm and I'm sure uh
a j Wood as well, even

1256
01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:47.960
though I know he's talking to on
Instagram, Facebook, everything else anyway,

1257
01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:55.279
but seriously tell uh. I know
over the last couple of years, the

1258
01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:59.159
overwhelming majority of the content has been
over on Patreon, but we're we're doing

1259
01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:02.720
this and AJ's doing at least one
free episode a week, so there's content

1260
01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:08.039
here on the free feed. So
make sure people know that I will do

1261
01:42:08.279 --> 01:42:13.640
and I still will provide some famous
a bitch free shows as well. I'm

1262
01:42:13.720 --> 01:42:18.079
leaving for Chicago on Thursday, be
it rose to see the family, and

1263
01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:23.800
yeah, I'll have more time then. I just this is a really weird.

1264
01:42:24.279 --> 01:42:27.359
The last couple of weeks have been
tough time wise, et cetera.

1265
01:42:27.479 --> 01:42:30.079
But you'll be getting some free famous
at bitches as well. Okay. Well,

1266
01:42:30.119 --> 01:42:33.600
and if if AJ has time and
I have time always in Chicago,

1267
01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:40.119
maybe we'll get back on and do
explaining of the whole Penn State scandal.

1268
01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:42.960
So yeah, that'd be great.
I had about fifteen other topics too,

1269
01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:50.560
So anyway, good hanging and we'll
talk at you all soon, all right, buddy,