1
00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,240
It's amazing what your buddy can find
to regurgitate when it feels the constant need

2
00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:09,679
to do so. It draws on
deep reserves. Ask not what your country

3
00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:16,320
can do for you, and what
you can do for your Either you were

4
00:00:16,359 --> 00:00:24,359
with us or you were with the
terrorists. I was gonna put him.

5
00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,800
It's the Ricochet Vodcast with Peter Robinson
and Rob Lock, who are not here

6
00:00:29,839 --> 00:00:33,280
this week in their stead, Charles
C. W. Cook, Stephen Heyward,

7
00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,439
I'm James Lylax, and our guests. We don't need no stinking guests.

8
00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:41,679
I agree, you'll never get bored
with when we never get bored to.

9
00:00:41,759 --> 00:00:49,439
Let's have ourselves a podcast. Welcome
everybody. It's the Ricochet Podcast number

10
00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:55,759
six six six. Yeah, I
know, super double extra evil, Mark

11
00:00:55,759 --> 00:00:57,600
of the Beast and all that.
Well, it was inevitable. The great

12
00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,320
thing is is that we got the
six six, We've got the six hundred

13
00:01:00,359 --> 00:01:04,560
and sixty. How many podcasts out
there sputter and fail and fade away,

14
00:01:04,799 --> 00:01:08,280
never to be heard again after fifty
sixty. But now we're still going strong

15
00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,799
into our six six six podcasts and
we intend to be here in the seven

16
00:01:11,879 --> 00:01:18,000
hundreds as well as we discuss the
things in the world. Usually we've got

17
00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,959
Peter Robinson and Rob Long. I'm
James Lotleys. You got me unfortunately,

18
00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:29,599
but they are both off on unknowable
peregrinations. So we have Stephen Hayward and

19
00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,000
we have Charles C. W.
Cook. Gentlemen, welcome, Well,

20
00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,560
it's good to be here. But
boy, Peter and rob I'm starting to

21
00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,400
wonder about those guys. They shared
are gallivanting a lot they do? They

22
00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:44,840
do fies. Ah, yes,
that makes sense. Well, you know

23
00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,480
you may be right, Charlie,
because I've seen pictures of them together in

24
00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,680
foreign capitals, A dressed in tennis
clothes with tennis rackets, So I think

25
00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,519
they've got kind of an I spy
thing going on there where they seem to

26
00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,879
be mild mannered pundits at large,
but actually they are international agents of intrigue.

27
00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,000
Who did the I spy guy works
Who did they work for? Was

28
00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,319
it one of those you know,
organizations with an acronym with an uncle with

29
00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:13,960
a smersh with a specter with a
ZOUI? Who did I Spy work for?

30
00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,560
And does anybody can either of you
tell me who was the most famous

31
00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:24,000
employee of Zawi? Boy, you
got me there. Okay, well we'll

32
00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:27,000
have to tell you. We'll tell
you that at the end of the show,

33
00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:30,479
because he was one of the world's
greatest secret agents, who at the

34
00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:32,520
time, as a kid, I
thought was just absolutely awesome. It was

35
00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,680
only later that I realized that half
the show was a complete and utter joke.

36
00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:38,639
That it wasn't going over my head
because I wasn't aware of the conventions

37
00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,840
they were playing off of. Okay, it's Derek Flint. Everybody knows it's

38
00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:46,439
Derek Flint. He worked for Zawi, what Zowie stood for. I don't

39
00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:50,800
know what we stand for here at
Rick Koshet is four square commentary and analysis

40
00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,599
of things you're already tired of hearing
about. No, I'm kidding, but

41
00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:59,360
the debate, there's probably maybe thirty
six minutes forty five minutes left the boxygen

42
00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:01,120
on that one. If you watched
it, if you cared, or if

43
00:03:01,159 --> 00:03:05,159
you want to draw any conclusions from
it. I assume, gentlemen, you

44
00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:09,280
were there taking notes, watching keenly
as they vied for position. What did

45
00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:14,919
you take away from the last debate? I actually did not watch it live.

46
00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,840
I'm traveling this week, and I
find these things tedious. And I

47
00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:22,719
don't feel a professional responsibility to hang
on them like a lot of people do.

48
00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,199
But I watched some highlights and read
a lot of analysis, and one

49
00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:30,599
thing that there's a new Snap poll
out apparently today, showing Nikki Hayley the

50
00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:36,000
winner. These kinds of online polls
are not scientific, but they're often right.

51
00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:38,120
I think they often turn out to
catch something. Now, in this

52
00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:42,800
case, I've been remarking for several
years now that the parties have switched places

53
00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,919
in their presidential selection process. The
old cliche used to be Democrats fall in

54
00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:53,240
love and Republicans fall in line.
In other words, Democrats always swoon for

55
00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:57,000
the new face, especially a charismatic
one, going back to John F.

56
00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,960
Kennedy, but certainly Barack Obama's the
example are excellence. Whereas Republicans were always

57
00:04:01,039 --> 00:04:05,080
like a monarchy, there was always
a succession. The nominee was the person

58
00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:10,120
whose turn it was next, And
you can trace that back to you know,

59
00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:13,599
reagae and eighty and Bush in eighty
eight and so forth. That's how

60
00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:16,319
we got Romney and McCain, people
who were acceptable to conservatives, but no

61
00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,839
great excitement of them. And Trump
up ended all that. And now as

62
00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,480
we saw in twenty twenty. It's
Democrats who fall in line when they're ordered

63
00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:28,199
to get behind Joe Biden, who's
never anybody's idea of mister excitement or mister

64
00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,199
charisma, and Republicans who in twenty
sixteen swoon for the new face. So

65
00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,639
that's all along preface to say,
I don't think anybody thought that Nicky Haley

66
00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:41,680
would be one of the top tier
candidates six months ago or a year ago.

67
00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,319
And yet she's clearly emerging as one, and she seems to be performing

68
00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,600
very well. And the big question
is as we get into the rough and

69
00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,040
tumble of actual votes cast as whather
show, Hold up, we did see

70
00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,240
even before Trump, and then I'll
shut up and let Charlie get on this.

71
00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,560
We did see Republicans have boomlets for
people precursors to try Pappy Cannon maybe,

72
00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,800
but certainly Herman Kane in twenty twelve. I guess it was Ben Carson.

73
00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,399
You know, Knute had his innings
where he was at the top of

74
00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:12,639
the poles until Romney took him apart
in the primaries in twenty twelve. And

75
00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,839
so we will see if Nikki Haley
really emerges as say the number two candidate,

76
00:05:16,959 --> 00:05:21,360
whether you'll have a you know,
a pincer movement from Trump at the

77
00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:26,160
top of the poles and Desanta is
trying to hang on. And so that's

78
00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:29,680
the interesting dynamic. To look at
the fact that we're not hearing about any

79
00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,279
zingers from the debate, with the
exception of Nikki Haley's five inch heels or

80
00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,920
whatever it was, that suggests that
the accounts that it really was a debate

81
00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:42,600
that was closer to being on substance
is correct. Now that will all change

82
00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,680
if Trump actually shows up for one, which I doubt he will. No,

83
00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,879
you won't, Charles White. Do
you think that Nicki Haley was seen

84
00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,720
to have heard it? Who have
won it? Well? I think because

85
00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:57,879
she won it. I think this
was there's a substantive debate, and I

86
00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,879
think that it was a debate because
of October seventh that was geared somewhat toward

87
00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:09,079
foreign policy, and while the Santus
is fluent in foreign policy, Nikki Haley

88
00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:14,759
is more interested in it and perhaps
came across as such. I think that

89
00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:21,759
there's a paradox here. If you
read through National Review the day after the

90
00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:28,800
debate, you saw, broadly speaking, two sorts of posts one sort of

91
00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:33,000
post said, this was the most
substantive debate. This was the best debate.

92
00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:38,160
This was the debate in which the
candidates got to argue about real things

93
00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:44,680
and elaborate real differences. The second
sort of post said, none of this

94
00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,800
matters. It won't make a difference. Donald Trump is still romping. And

95
00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:53,680
the annoying thing from my perspective,
both as someone who's not a great fan

96
00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,279
of Trump, but mostly as someone
who thinks this is a fairly important moment

97
00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,360
that ought to attract substance, is
that both of those things are true.

98
00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:05,759
This was the most substantive, meaningful, useful debate, and at least thus

99
00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:11,959
far, it doesn't seem as if
it's going to matter in evaluating who won

100
00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,920
it or did well. I would
therefore propose this framework. If it is

101
00:07:15,959 --> 00:07:19,439
the case that Donald Trump is going
to romp to victory, that all of

102
00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:28,120
this is talking fluff and pundit indulgence, then it doesn't matter what was said,

103
00:07:28,519 --> 00:07:30,680
It doesn't matter who was good,
It doesn't even matter that the debate

104
00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:34,199
was substant But if Donald Trump is
a paper tiger, and I think there's

105
00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,920
a thirty percent chance of this something
that's too high, I don't if we

106
00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:45,319
are seeing a primary in which no
one really has engaged yet beyond the media,

107
00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:51,360
if we're seeing the lead that Trump
is established being the result of name

108
00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:56,240
recognition, habit reflects, and so
on, and if there is going to

109
00:07:56,279 --> 00:08:01,160
be an actual fight at some point
in the prime process, then the winners

110
00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:05,920
of the debate were clearly Ron De
Santis and Nicki Haley, because both of

111
00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:11,480
them established themselves as the only two
people within the primary who can pull focus,

112
00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:15,240
who can coherently lay out their vision, and who can answer questions seriously,

113
00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:18,600
and it is going to matter that
they can do that. I can't

114
00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:22,120
say the same for Tim Scott.
I like Tim's got a great deal.

115
00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,160
I'm glad he's in the Senate.
I think he's done good work in the

116
00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:26,959
Senate. But he has the opposite
of pulling focus. When he's on the

117
00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:31,399
stage, he just disappears. Vivik
Ramaswami, I agree with Nicki Haley.

118
00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,559
I think it's an ass And Chris
Christi is a man made for a different

119
00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:41,679
time and probably a different place.
Chris Christy was really great to watch when

120
00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,559
he was governor of New Jersey,
but he's just not where the Republican Party.

121
00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:48,080
Is he's no. He seems to
have walked out of a Thomas Nast

122
00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,200
cartoon. I love it, and
I love him for that. But you

123
00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,039
can just easily see him, you
know, with a big waistcoat and a

124
00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,360
top hat and the rest of it
in the golden chain and the watch in

125
00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:01,200
the risk. So I just finished
by saying I mentioned not because there were

126
00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,600
no singers. There was nothing that
emerged. It is true that nobody was

127
00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:07,960
really talking about it. It didn't
change therajectory in all of those cliches.

128
00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,639
But you can win or at least
do what you need to at the debate,

129
00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:18,559
purely by treading water. And the
two people who trod water at that

130
00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:22,080
debate were Nikki Haley and run DeSantis, and they kept themselves in it in

131
00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,559
case a fight breaks out in a
few months. Well, that fight would

132
00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:33,000
break out. How in the Iowa
caucusses when people get together and and I

133
00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,639
mean I remember seeing some footage.
I can't remember what it is, and

134
00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:41,399
I'm sure it's not indicative of anything
whatsoever. But as twelve people who who

135
00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,519
had been Trump supporters and have been
strong Trump supporters and been Trump supporters in

136
00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,279
twenty twenty three for that matter.
But when they asked if they would go

137
00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,799
for Desanders or Trump, they to
ten of the twelve did not go for

138
00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,679
Trump, and the rest went I
think primarily for disances. Now that's an

139
00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,559
extremely small sample, but it was
suggesting when you get down to the room,

140
00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,960
when you get down to it,
that something that that that maybe pragmatism

141
00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:07,679
applies, that people set aside the
various reasons that they have for voting for

142
00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:15,639
Donald Trump because they realize on some
level he's gonna he's gonna lose. But

143
00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:18,799
then again, every time I say
that, people, well, what do

144
00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,120
you mean. All the polls show
in my head. Uh, national polls

145
00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,919
show show my head of Biden.
I just don't think that any of that

146
00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:30,600
is is true. And it's it's
bizarre me. And it's not because I'm

147
00:10:30,639 --> 00:10:33,000
wish casting here and saying no,
I really want this thing to be happened,

148
00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:39,840
so this this other thing simply cannot
be. But I am truly mystified

149
00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:41,960
by people who think that Donald Trump, who is now a known quantity,

150
00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:46,159
who is not on his game,
who has got all of these things circling

151
00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:48,559
around him, whether you believe that
they're engineered by the deep state or whatever

152
00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:54,960
that that that people want that again. And I know I sound like Rob

153
00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,399
Long that I'm just so out of
touch that I can't get it. I

154
00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,799
can see why people would tell polsters
that because f you, because you know,

155
00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,679
bleep you buddy when it comes to
telling me that I shouldn't vote for

156
00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:11,279
this guy. But that does that
calculation change in the cold, antiseptic light

157
00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:16,000
of the voting booth. Well that's
a question, isn't it. Because we've

158
00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:18,559
done this over and over. And
that's why I say I still think there's

159
00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,559
a seventy percent chance Trump just wins
it. Because the number of times I've

160
00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,559
said maybe this or that will happen
and then it doesn't, I'm tired of

161
00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:30,200
saying it. But I do also
think that it is early and people aren't

162
00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,480
politically obsessed in the way that we
are, and there is a chance that

163
00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,080
this is front runner syndrome, and
when it comes to it, there'll be

164
00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,600
an actual examination of the candidates.
And if there is, the only two

165
00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:46,399
I think that could challenge Trump realistically
are Haley and Dessantis. I agree,

166
00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:52,559
Stephen, Yeah, So I think
at this point we ought to be what's

167
00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:54,879
the old the eight stages of grief, whatever heck it is. At this

168
00:11:54,919 --> 00:11:58,840
point, we ought to be the
stage where we recognize there's nothing Donald Trump

169
00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:01,519
can do that damages in with his
intense followers and with a lot of undecided

170
00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,039
voters. I mean, I'm convinced
that if he gets thrown in jail here

171
00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,279
next week for contempt of court,
or if he gets convicted and thrown in

172
00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,399
jail in one of these cases of
varying quality, his support will go up

173
00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:16,960
by five points. Maybe I don't
know, James, how quickly you want

174
00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,559
to go on to the elections this
week, but there is something in the

175
00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:24,360
Kentucky result that suggested me part of
the deeper dynamic of Trump. So,

176
00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,919
as we know, the democratic governor
hung on in a state that Trump won

177
00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,759
by twenty five points two years ago, and some of the exopoles show that

178
00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,879
the Trump voters forty percent of them
voted for Andy Basheer, the Democrat who's

179
00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:41,679
a and it wasn't a blowout win. It was what five points against a

180
00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,919
pretty appealing Republican candidate. But people
are scratching her head saying, how come

181
00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:48,960
Trump's endorsement didn't put him over the
top. Well, I think as we

182
00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:52,080
know, but I still don't think
fully appreciate. Trump appeals to a lot

183
00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,720
of independence and a lot of weak
Democrats in places like Kentucky that doesn't transfer

184
00:12:56,759 --> 00:13:00,960
to other Republican candidates, and a
lot of those people. Actually, there

185
00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:03,120
was a pretty good book written a
few years ago, and I'm blanking on

186
00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:07,159
who wrote it because I actually know
the professor. He's at Claremont McKenna College

187
00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,679
and political science. But he went
to some counties in Kentucky that had gone

188
00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:15,080
for Trump. And these were heavily
democratic counties that hadn't even voted for Nixon

189
00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,960
in seventy two or Reagan in eighty
four. They were that deeply democratic,

190
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,679
and they went heavily for Trump in
twenty sixteen and again in twenty twenty.

191
00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,480
And these are the kind of people
who I think every we keep saying this

192
00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:30,919
makes Trump stronger, but I think
that a lot of the people for whom

193
00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,840
Trump is a hero and he gets
stronger with every attempt to try and put

194
00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:37,840
him in the dock, are not
really traditional Republicans. It's some of these

195
00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:45,279
independent or weak Democrats that Trump was
so successful in tracting in twenty sixteen.

196
00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,759
And I don't think anyone's quite figured
out that whole scene, and I certainly

197
00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,679
haven't, but it's certainly there.
And that's why people perhaps say that he

198
00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,480
would win again in twenty twenty four
is because exactly all to those people.

199
00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,879
I just love the idea that he
would become more popular and go up by

200
00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:01,200
five points if he was jailed,
because I'm waya for his verse, for

201
00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:07,679
the tweet from a Birmingham jail to
be entered in the political dialogue. Oh,

202
00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,279
I love that idea, But the
situation in which we find ourselves,

203
00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:16,440
James, isn't it the chance of
Joe Biden being the nominee and Donald Trump

204
00:14:16,519 --> 00:14:20,200
being the nominee go up? If
you propose to people that Joe Biden might

205
00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:26,440
be dead and Donald Trump might be
in jail. Well, what I cared

206
00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,840
most about the elections this last Tuesday
was my city council election here. Because

207
00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:35,240
the Democratic Socialists of America and the
Socialist Democrats of America splitters, I had

208
00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:41,200
to put up a spate, a
slate of candidates who I actually saw firsthand.

209
00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:46,080
I went to a meet and greet
the candidate event in my local neighborhood

210
00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,919
where the city council person showed up. It's basement of a church, and

211
00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,440
it's one of those church that has
the rainbow flag and the all are welcome

212
00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,039
here and happy Ramadan, and the
rest of it is very liberal church.

213
00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,320
And in the basement there we were, and the Democratic Socialist candidate refused to

214
00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,080
answer just about every single question that
was put to her because there was no

215
00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:07,440
point in any of this until the
workers control the means of production. So

216
00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:13,440
with that absolutely riveting message and her
charismatic personality which resembled a wet newspaper that's

217
00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,720
been sitting on the stoop for a
week, it was no surprise that they

218
00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:18,559
lost. But you still got about
seven or ten percent of the people in

219
00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:20,799
my neighborhood. And so I walk
around and look at these people, say

220
00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:26,320
the hell are you voting for these
people? But we did have more of

221
00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,720
a progressive hold on the city council
here. And you may say, who

222
00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,399
cares, it's Minneapolis. It matters
because if given what the city has gone

223
00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,159
through and what the people have experienced, to actually vote for more of it

224
00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:45,639
is always astonishing to me. And
it's not exactly We've seen that elsewhere.

225
00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:48,080
We saw it in Ohio, we
saw it in all the places that said

226
00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:52,720
yes, more taxes, place more
more, and so I'm wondering exactly where

227
00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:56,840
this supposed red surge is going to
come from if you have a population that

228
00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:02,200
is increasingly resigned to just feeding a
state as long as it does things for

229
00:16:02,279 --> 00:16:03,879
them that they're like, don't know, I mean, they'll always be a

230
00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:08,879
Florida Charlie, Right, how did
things go on down there? And what

231
00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:15,480
elections you had? Any signs that
diasked were from New York. Fleeing there

232
00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,360
is starting to alter your politics.
Well, we didn't have any elections this

233
00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,480
year, but that's the way they're
do it. But I will say on

234
00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:29,720
your second question that the people who
have moved from other places to Florida tend

235
00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,440
to be really reliable Republican voters.
I know that isn't always the case in

236
00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:42,240
every place, but if you have
left New York, Philadelphia, Boston,

237
00:16:44,519 --> 00:16:52,639
Maryland, Washington, DC and come
down here, you're probably cross with those

238
00:16:52,679 --> 00:17:00,679
places, and particularly so have you
left during COVID And this isn't my view.

239
00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:03,039
You just have to look at the
registration numbers. I'm going to get

240
00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,400
this slightly wrong because I'm bad with
numbers, but by and large the Democrats

241
00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:17,119
had a party registration advantage in Florida
from the Civil War until about a year

242
00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,720
ago. That didn't mean Republicans lost
elections. They've won the governor's race for

243
00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:26,759
twenty eight years, but Democrats still
outnumbered Republicans and elections were unbelievably close half

244
00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:34,119
percent every time. And now Republicans
have a five or six hundred thousand registration

245
00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:41,240
advantage that has shifted after the tipping
point was hit in the space of I

246
00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:47,119
think it's a year, maybe eighteen
months, and that's because of people moving

247
00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:52,680
in who did not want to repeat
the mistakes that were made elsewhere. So

248
00:17:52,079 --> 00:17:57,799
I worry about that dynamic in some
places. I think New Hampshire has suffered

249
00:17:57,799 --> 00:18:02,680
from it. I think that Arizona
and Colorado have suffered from it. It

250
00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,160
doesn't seem to be happening in Florida
at the moment, and from what I

251
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,440
understand, it doesn't seem to be
happening in Texas either, where you were

252
00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,960
more likely to vote Republican if you
were from another state and if you were

253
00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:17,319
born in Texas at the last election. Interesting, well, that's self sorting.

254
00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,400
I suppose that it's natural what we
have to worry about and press for

255
00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:25,599
and be concerned, And are the
people who remain in blue states but find

256
00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:29,839
their sentiments trending red and it's hard
for them to make the switch. What

257
00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,000
we've seen in the last month after
the October seventh attack in Israel has been

258
00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,039
a sort of revelation to many people
consider themselves to be liberal in those places

259
00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:42,400
because they have seen the people that
they regarded as their allies, because they're

260
00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,359
progressive, because they believe in the
oppressor or oppressive matrix and all these other

261
00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,200
things actually turn out to be sort
of kind of old style jew haters who

262
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,240
are anxious for a chance to rip
down the flag and shout the K word

263
00:18:53,319 --> 00:18:56,839
at people, and this has given
them reason to do so. And I

264
00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:03,400
wonder exactly how many these people are
actually changing a lot of their political beliefs

265
00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,559
because of what they've seen. And
I don't think it's going to be that

266
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,240
many. I think there are certain
sacrisanc issues on the left, and they're

267
00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,799
willing to sacrifice just about anything in
order to keep those issues alive. I

268
00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,480
mean the abortion issue, for example. I mean you can look at certain

269
00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:23,079
white women of a certain demographic and
there's absolutely I mean it's the paramount issue.

270
00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,000
So economics doesn't matter, national security, it doesn't matter or matters less

271
00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:30,279
as long as there's this. And
I read somebody say, well, now

272
00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:34,079
that abortion is in the constitution in
Ohio and it's enshrined, maybe we can

273
00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,079
get those people back because we're no
longer having this issue on the table,

274
00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,400
which seems risible and also sort of
demonic. It's like, well, well,

275
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,920
let's trade away all the lines of
the unborn innocence here. But as

276
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,839
long as we've got that, let's
let's see what we can do with what

277
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,279
we got now. And maybe that's
so, But do you guys see any

278
00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:56,359
sort of poll shift amongst those people
who have been red pilled in the last

279
00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:03,680
in the last month or so by
seeing what actually is underneath the whole progressive

280
00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:08,839
enterprise in some ways? Ah boy, So I wonder about that too.

281
00:20:10,079 --> 00:20:14,200
If you go back to nineteen eighty, Ronald Reagan got thirty five percent of

282
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,039
the Jewish vote, which was unusually
high for Republicans, and part of that

283
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,640
was anger among Jews at the way
Jimmy Carter had treated Israel, and it

284
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,680
actually voted against Israel in the Security
Council of the United Nations for the first

285
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,519
time ever, which infuriated Jewish leadership
at the time. Reagan did not keep

286
00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:33,519
that vote. In eighty four he
did, okay, But the point is,

287
00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:37,599
I think Republicans are lucky if they
ever get twenty percent of the Jewish

288
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,599
vote. I think is the figure. So I keep wondering if we might

289
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,039
see nineteen eighty repeat. There's one
big difference. In nineteen eighty. It

290
00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:49,839
really was just the issue of Jimmy
Carter had been unfriendly to Israel, and

291
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,359
that's married to a deeper thing.
You know, one reason and abortions one

292
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,200
little piece of a James But there
are other parts of it. You know.

293
00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,079
I have a sort of conservative Jewish
friend, so I've talked to about

294
00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:06,160
this and they say, well,
one reasoned Jews have long been uncomfortable with

295
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,799
Republicans. There's more than one,
but one of them was the fact that

296
00:21:08,839 --> 00:21:12,519
evangelicals, who now the perception,
of course, if you're a Jewish and

297
00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:15,440
live in Brooklyn, you think that's
the Republican party, right, because that's

298
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:21,160
all you ever hear is you know, Evangelicals love Israel, but they think

299
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:26,599
that that's for quirky, spensational reasons
of eschatology, and that actually puts them

300
00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:30,279
off that it feels I'm not sure
if condescending is the right word, but

301
00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:36,160
it worries them that the affection is
purely instrumental. And I think that's mistaken,

302
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,359
by the way, but that's a
long subject. I think it's entirely

303
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,119
mistaken. No, I think it
is. And that is a common talking

304
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,400
point in the left that the only
reason they do is because they think that

305
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,160
Jesus are going to come back and
convert everybody, and it's you know,

306
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,480
biblical revelations, six headed monsters,
et cetera. And that's not it at

307
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:56,000
all. It's a fellow feeling for
the roots of their own religion and for

308
00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,279
a state that embodies Western values is
right as they define them. I think

309
00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:03,119
what might be different this time?
And here? Actually, I think I

310
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,680
want to give a shout out to
a Ricochet member named David Foster who has

311
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,240
a terrific post up in the member
feed called the Hollow Men, and it's

312
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,519
a wonderful diagnose. It's quite a
long piece, but he says there's one

313
00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:18,960
particular thing that he says that I
think is really marks out what's different about

314
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,319
what we're seeing in the United States, actually in Europe right now too.

315
00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:26,799
I'll just read the last sentence of
a paragraph halfway through. He says,

316
00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:30,680
well, Jews were once disliked because
they were too different from the overall society.

317
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:37,640
They are now denounced because they exemplify
the things that progressives despise about their

318
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,279
own societies. I think that is. I think that's a wonderfully concise and

319
00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:47,440
on point understanding of what's happening right
here. So many of the people,

320
00:22:47,559 --> 00:22:51,200
some of the stupid kids, but
other groups on the progressive left are rallying

321
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:56,880
to Homas because that's a proxy for
their revolutionary instincts. It's whatever tools at

322
00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,519
hand to bash our civilization, to
bash our culture. And I think a

323
00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:03,480
lot of Jewish voters. I think
Bill Maher has picked up on this,

324
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,799
you know, his ever ever steady
march to the right that we've seen Bill

325
00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:12,680
Maher doing has accelerated since October seventh, and I think more and more Jews

326
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,160
are going to figure out, wait
a minute, the problem here isn't just

327
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:21,000
different currents of anti Semitism and the
weirdness of evangelicals. The problem is these

328
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,440
progressives who we thought were our allies, and they're not, and if they

329
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,440
put two and two together, they're
going to have to vote differently. We'll

330
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,960
Literarlie get into this a second,
but I just want to say two things.

331
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,079
One that post which was in the
member feed, which you can only

332
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,720
get if you join Ricochet, and
believe me, it's worth every shekel,

333
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,079
and there is a small quantity of
shekels. But we do charge a fee

334
00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:41,640
to read the member fee independently post
and the rest of it, and that's

335
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,119
how we keep the site sane.
That post, which was in the member

336
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,200
feed, has now been moved to
the main feed, so you can go

337
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,160
read at the hollom End by David
Foster. And the second thing that is

338
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,519
with Bill Maher. You know I
once canceled HBO I think over Bill Maher,

339
00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:56,400
and now I have it again.
And as he ages, he seems

340
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,759
to get a little bit smarter,
which could mean to me that Bill Maher

341
00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:03,480
has discovered senulytics. Have you heard
about senulytics yet? It is a class

342
00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:07,519
of ingredients discovered less than ten years
ago, and they're being called the biggest

343
00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:11,920
discovery of our time for promoting healthy
aging and enhancing your physical prime. Now

344
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,000
I'm not saying you want to look
like Bill Maher. But if you want

345
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,359
to have a mind that seemingly collects
along at the piece which you preferred before,

346
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:21,480
well it's time to look at how
you're aging your life. Goals in

347
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:25,519
your career and beyond require productivity.
Right, Well, let's be honest.

348
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,680
The aging process is not our friend
when it comes to endless energy and productivity,

349
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,160
and that's why we recommend quality senulytic. If someone told me there was

350
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:38,359
a scientific backed ingredient that could help
me make me feel fifteen years younger in

351
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,319
a matter of months, I would
not have believed it, But then they

352
00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:47,200
were kind enough to send us out
some samples of quality of senulytic. As

353
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,880
we age, I should explain this. Though everyone accumulates sinescent cells in their

354
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,359
body, you know what that means. Sinessin cells cause symptoms of aging like

355
00:24:55,759 --> 00:25:00,000
aches and pains and slow workout recoveries
and sluggish mental and physic The energy associated

356
00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:04,279
with that middle aged blas feeling well. Much like pruning the yellow and dead

357
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,359
leaves off a plant, quality of
analytic removes those worn out sinescen cells to

358
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,359
allow for the rest of the cells
in your body to thrive, to grow,

359
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:18,440
to be happy to do well,
so higher energy levels or productivity and

360
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,720
enthusiasm in life. Do I sound
enthusiastic? I am less aches and pains?

361
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:26,200
And do I have less aches and
pain? I do? You can

362
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,039
resist aging at the cellular level.
Try quality of Analytic. Go to neuralhacker

363
00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:33,319
dot com slash ricoche for up to
one hundred dollars off and use the code

364
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,359
ricochet at checkout for an additional fifteen
percent off. Try it. That's neurrohacker

365
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,119
dot com slash ricochet for an extra
fifteen percent off your purchase, and we

366
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:47,839
thank neural hacker for sponsoring today's Ricochet
podcast. All right, Charles, if

367
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,519
you wanted to take something else on
whether or we're going to see an alignment

368
00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:55,839
or move on to something more interesting, such as the fact that people still

369
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:03,920
seem persistently to remove the posters have
kidnapped children. This is this now seems

370
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,680
to be the strange sort of performative
thing. I'm expecting people to now want

371
00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:11,839
to be filmed doings. I don't
know why they're still doing it. Knowing

372
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:15,440
that people are being filmed doing this
and being let go, shall we say,

373
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,480
having a chat with hr Shall we
say it's just it's it's it's bizarre

374
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:23,039
to me. And my favorite is
this somebody caught in the middle of taking

375
00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:27,640
down one of these posters, insisted
that putting up the posters was against the

376
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:33,559
law, that actually there were civil
statutes in place in New York that that

377
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,880
prohibited this, and I thought,
Ah, finally there's one small little twig

378
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,319
of a law that they that they
that they approve of. Actually, you

379
00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:45,400
know, there's it's almost like the
broken windows. It's almost like stop and

380
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,720
frisk. I mean, it's it's
it's we can't have any of that stuff.

381
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:53,279
But they're really really irritated by the
fact that a poster has been a

382
00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:56,559
handbill has been pasted to a poll
in New York City. Why the entire

383
00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:00,279
social fabric would dissolve. We don't
take this down. Why are they still

384
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,960
doing it? And do you think
that they will continue? Yeah, that

385
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:10,559
is the most specific form of vigilantism
I've ever seen in my life, the

386
00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:15,079
idea that New York doesn't enforce its
laws sufficiently, and so the one that

387
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:21,720
people need to go out and make
sure is being fulfilled is the one against

388
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:29,680
illegal handbills post no bills. Thanks
a bat Man you're really cleaning the city

389
00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:34,319
up. I mean, this is
sociopathy on a level that I can't comprehend,

390
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:40,079
and I'll confess this. I understood
that anti Semitism existed in the world,

391
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:44,039
and I'm sure I understood that some
of it existed in Britain, where

392
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,240
I'm originally from, and in the
United States, where I now live.

393
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:52,599
But I have been alarmed and surprised
by the scale of what I've seen in

394
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,119
Western countries, let alone the Middle
East. I didn't expect this. I

395
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:03,359
thought that we would witness something more
akin to the aftermath of nine to eleven,

396
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,720
where a few academics and Hollywood celebrities
went out on a limb and said

397
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:14,240
America deserved it, or we have
to understand the plight of extremely wealthy Saudi

398
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:21,319
Arabian zealots. But this has been
something else, and I'm shocked by it,

399
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,720
and I've adjusted my framework a little
bit, And perhaps I can use

400
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,440
that as a segue into answering the
first of the two options you gave me

401
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,519
as well. I don't know what
this will do to our electoral politics,

402
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:36,160
and I suspect that we won't see
a nineteen eighty situation purely because while Donald

403
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,599
Trump remains the face of the party, I think many people who might be

404
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:44,920
tempted toward that will demur. But
I think this is going to strike a

405
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:51,519
real blow at the integrity of intersectionality. There is a big difference between liberalism

406
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:55,839
with the capital l and progressivism.
They're not the same thing. They're often

407
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,359
friends, they're often allies, they
often work together on projects, but they're

408
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,680
not the same thing. And I've
never seen an international incident separate the liberals

409
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,200
and the progressives in the way that
this one has. Intersectionality requires for its

410
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,559
sustenance on various members of that coalition
shutting up. It is, in a

411
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,799
sense a suicide pact. You have
to be quiet because you have to agree

412
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:27,599
that you don't understand the feelings and
the life experiences and the suffering of people

413
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:33,319
who have different intersectional qualities than you
do. Well. What we've seen in

414
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,279
the last month, quite understandably is
some of the people in that coalition who

415
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:42,799
have dutifully shut up while the stupidest
things have been argued and advanced, saying

416
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,720
no, I will not shut up
anymore. I don't actually like you,

417
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,279
and this is not a philosophy.
I'm willing to go along with and I

418
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:52,880
think whatever it does to our electro
politics in the short term, in the

419
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,440
long term, that's going to matter
because it says for the first time,

420
00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:03,680
from within the tent to the crazies, not in my name. So I

421
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:08,039
wonder if that's going to be the
most obvious immediate shift as a result of

422
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:17,400
October seventh in America. Well,
it requires abandoning a whole nomenclature that defines

423
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,880
your political outlook, the way you
see the world. It requires you to

424
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:27,240
actually realize that the phonemes that you
have been spouting are not just a meaningless

425
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,640
series of things round and cobbled together
by an academic that gives you a gene

426
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,559
that you can have it. You
were in public and at parties, well,

427
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:37,359
of course I'm progressive. Of course
I believe in decolonization. Who wouldn't

428
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,279
Colonization was awful? Well, this
is that the specifics of what they talk

429
00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:47,559
about, when you get down to
it, involve what Hamas did. So

430
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:52,839
if you realize that all of these
things that you're talking about about oppression and

431
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:59,359
the whole dynamics and everything about the
power relationships, that is not just simply

432
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:02,440
this intellectual game of pickup sticks that
you can play with your friends and feel

433
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,119
good, but actually at its foundation
is a fundamental, violent reorganization of society

434
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:11,279
along lines that we do not want
because they are ineugal to the Western experience.

435
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,079
Do you then realize, wait a
minute, I've been I've kind of

436
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:17,920
been talking nonsense here. I've kind
of been duped. If this is what

437
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,440
they mean, I'm not on board
with this. There was a cool so

438
00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:26,640
of it doesn't apply to you.
Well by that It's like the meme,

439
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,960
you know, the meme with Hayden
criticism and Natalie Portman, yes, Star

440
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,960
Wars movies and yeah, and then
the third panel, you know, he

441
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,960
says, so you'd right, and
he just keeps it blank face. I

442
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:41,200
just feel like this has been applied
to here where an awful lock. Perhaps

443
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:47,440
millions of American Jews who lean left
have heard all of this talk about safetyism

444
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,440
and oppression and protecting people and so
on, and in the third panel of

445
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,559
the meme have looked at progressives in
the last month and said, and you're

446
00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:59,720
going to apply this to Jewish people, right? And then they've seen the

447
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:02,240
blacks stare in the fourth panel and
said, wait a minute, what do

448
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:06,720
you mean, how on earth can
it not be that we are now the

449
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:12,039
ones who benefit from this framework.
For a while, then it seems we

450
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,960
were ab to laugh at the campus
snowflakes because they were demanding safe spaces against

451
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:20,960
the horrible idea that somebody walking past
the campus may be thinking in their head

452
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:23,160
something that was contrary to what they
believed, and so they had to have

453
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,559
their plate o rooms with the stuffed
animals and the rest of it, and

454
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:29,559
we laughed at all of that.
And in a sense, that's kind of

455
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:31,559
what they were up to. I
mean, they were in this ideological bubble,

456
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:36,559
this sort of cultural world in which
anything that pierced it was violence.

457
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:42,599
Okay, well that may apply to
the overly pampered college students, but underneath

458
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,240
that as a group of people who
really do want to have speech codes and

459
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,359
are very keen on enforcing what is
and is not said. And it is

460
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,160
based on a pyramid of grievance that
can be adjusted slightly, but we all

461
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:59,240
kind of know where that's going.
So yeah, it doesn't apply because it's

462
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,759
no longer venian for it to apply
to everybody. They can't have the safe

463
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:06,960
space, they can't have that because
it's it's been denied them. And I

464
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,160
had something else was going to say
before your excellent interruption there. I'll hand

465
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,400
it over to Steve. Yeah.
No, no, no, no,

466
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:19,079
I prefer you interrupting me than than
Rob because well he only interrupts your segues,

467
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:21,920
but completely completely lose the gist in
the drift of what I said.

468
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:24,839
Right, Well, I think let
me give you two data points from Berkeley,

469
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:28,119
where I'm embedded as an inmate,
as I like to put it.

470
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:32,000
The first one was, you know, I noticed that there's been a conspicuous

471
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,759
silence from universities all around the country
from their officers of diversity, equity and

472
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:40,319
inclusion. That's the whole unit that's
supposed to address these kinds of problems.

473
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,240
And so I decided to look up
at Berkeley, where we have a big

474
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:50,119
vice chancellor for DEI a woman named
Danny and Matos who said fighting white supremacy

475
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,319
was remained mission and taking the job
several years ago. And I thought,

476
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:54,759
I wonder if they've issued any statements. There are lots of statements in the

477
00:33:54,839 --> 00:34:00,640
chancellor and deans and stuff, and
I looked up and nothing. On October

478
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,200
seven, no statements from the DEI
office at Berkeley. There was one statement

479
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,920
put out on October ninth from the
Vice Chancellor of Diversity, and it was

480
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:15,599
a message of concern and sympathy and
offer of resources for students who are upset

481
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:21,920
by the earthquake in Afghanistan two days
that was the message. It came out

482
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:27,159
from DEI the Monday after what happened
in Gaza in Israel, which is an

483
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,840
amazing thing. And then the second
one that you may have heard about was

484
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,920
the dean of the law school where
I'm embedded, Orwin Chemerinsky. He's very

485
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,639
left, but he's actually serious about
free speech. He's Jewish, he's very

486
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:40,239
pro Israel. He has criticized anti
semitism when it's erupted on campus. But

487
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,360
he wrote that article in the Los
Angeles Times is what ten days ago now

488
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,960
saying nothing in my life has prepared
me for the anti semitism I'm seeing on

489
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,000
campuses right now. And the first
response was, well, is he naive?

490
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:54,599
Is he clueless? Because you could
see this coming, including by the

491
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:59,559
way, one of the best predictions
of this was Aaron Woldowski, famous political

492
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,079
scientist who died I think exactly thirty
years ago. This month. One of

493
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:07,320
his last essays around nineteen ninety two
said, I see anti Semitism coming on

494
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,199
college campus. It's connected to this
rising ideology of colonialism and imperialism, and

495
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,679
suddenly Jews have gone from being oppressed
victims to oppressors. And boy, did

496
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:20,039
he not have the architecture of that
nailed. And I was saying, Dean

497
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,880
Schamerinsky and others clearly did not pay
attention to what was going on right under

498
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,679
their noses. But I think it's
actually worse than that. What I've come

499
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,559
to realize, and I've thought this
for a while now, is that in

500
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:35,760
fact, administrators at colleges are perfectly
aware of these ideologies and they don't take

501
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,079
them seriously. And I could go
through this for a long time, but

502
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:40,119
I'll just say that an awful lot
of this is virtue signaling. It was

503
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:44,960
perfectly easy to give up the land
acknowledgment statements that they all give on college

504
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,760
campuses these days that are ridiculous.
It is perfectly fine to say, oh,

505
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,159
have a center for colonial and oppression
studies and ethnic studies and critical theory.

506
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,360
And I can tell you from now, having spent ten years around conventional

507
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,599
liberal academics, many of whom are
very good in the ordinary sense of being

508
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:04,880
serious scholars. They don't take these
people seriously. And I actually think the

509
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,679
radicals on campus, no, they're
not taking serious, not taken seriously,

510
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:13,800
and this fuels their rage. And
now suddenly this whole business of October seven

511
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,800
comes along and they have a target
to unleash their rage. And so,

512
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,199
I mean, that's sort of a
field theory. I should write a longer

513
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:23,920
piece about all this, but I
think that now suddenly administrators in college campuses

514
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:29,800
are coming face to face with their
own negligence, and I'm benign neglect,

515
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,280
and they don't know what to do
about it because they're fundamentally all cowards.

516
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:38,840
Well, the land acknowledgment, Yes, yes, exactly what exactly do we

517
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,679
do? When we did call in
a America, there was an interview that

518
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,119
I saw on Twitter the other day. I'm sorry, x I. I

519
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,519
was interviewing a couple of college gals
glasses co eds as we used to call

520
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:54,159
them, about the situation they were
protesting for Palestine, and essentially what they

521
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,840
thought should happen was that Israel should
cease to exist. Mostly well, basically,

522
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,679
the Jews should just go home,
and she said, and she said

523
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,760
that what they should do is they
should go they should all go back to

524
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,360
those other countries that they have second
citizenship in. I was waiting for her

525
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,199
to break out, because they are
ritless Cosmopolitans, don't you know. But

526
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,159
I think that's sort of rue.
But I think that's quite beyond her,

527
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:17,880
because she was quite stupid. I
want to know. Maybe she wasn't stupid,

528
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,320
but she was extremely poorly educated.
She believed that just about everybody in

529
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,000
Israel could go to the junk drawer, pull out their other passport and then

530
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:31,599
go back to Yemen and live in
perfect safety, in harmony, in peace,

531
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,480
or Iran or Libya or any of
these places, and that those few

532
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:40,639
who want to stay around could do
so and live in a wonderful, multicultural,

533
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:46,679
peaceful politic that would result once you
handed it over to Hamas or whoever

534
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,800
else. And they didn't believe that
AMASA was a terrorist organization either. So

535
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,280
these people were dumb when it comes
to knowing exactly what's on the ground.

536
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,880
And when you ask them what should
be done about America, Well, the

537
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,599
people who are very very serious about
the whole decolonization thing would seem to have

538
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:06,960
to say that we all have to
go back to because the entirety of the

539
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,719
American continent has stolen land. Right, so I guess am obliged to go

540
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,000
back. I don't know where,
that's just it. Do I go back

541
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:21,559
to Canada where the first lilac came
through? Now that's all stolen too.

542
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,320
Do I go back to some Czech
village which, for all I know,

543
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:27,639
was you know, was pushed out? You know, did the Mongols have

544
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,079
that territory in the old day?
I mean, the idea that there's some

545
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:38,559
static situation to which ideally we should
all resort ourselves is absurd and contrary to

546
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:43,679
the entire expanse of human history.
But yet they persist, as they say,

547
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,199
right, well, you don't have
to get into the problem of infinite

548
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,639
regress, which is what your progression
opens us up to, to ask a

549
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,440
simple question, exposed to the hypocrisy
of all this. I've been hearing now

550
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,360
for ten years, these land acknowledgements. We acknowledge this university exists on the

551
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,559
historic lands and sometimes leaving state lands, and from some indigenous tribe. And

552
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:04,760
I always want to raise my hand
and say, then, why don't we

553
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,719
give it back. Why doesn't I
mean, or at least pay back rent.

554
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:12,800
Harvard could do that from their endowment. No, only Israel is supposed

555
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,199
to give its land up. That's
the only people who are supposed to give

556
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:16,880
their land up. The rest of
us, it's just costless virtues signally,

557
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:22,000
except as I say, now we're
seeing the real cost of the real price

558
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,840
of it has to be paid right
now for these progressives who indulged all this

559
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:30,599
girls in Florida. I believe your
governor has commanded the universities over which he

560
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:37,119
has swayed to d fund d couple
from those student groups which provide material group

561
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,920
assistance to hamas to find how not
exactly clear to me. But how is

562
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,320
that going, because, of course
I'm sure there's been pushback. Well,

563
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,760
I think the scientist is wrong on
this. I think that there is simply

564
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:59,000
no way of applying good laws that
prohibit people from providing material support to terrorists

565
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:07,559
to these organizations on campus. As
a general matter, I have no problem

566
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:14,039
with US supporting immigrants who violate the
law or who violate the terms by which

567
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:17,320
they were admitted. I tell people
this all the time. The number of

568
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,159
occasions on which I swore that I
wasn't a communist or hadn't been a member

569
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:27,719
of the Nazi Party, didn't intend
to commit terrorism, or restrict people's liberty,

570
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,199
or engage in sex trafficking or what
you were was remarkable. I had

571
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:35,199
a number of visas, then a
green card, then I became a citizen.

572
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:39,159
Before I went in to my citizenship
ceremony, I had to swear that

573
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:43,239
I wasn't a communist. I have
no problem with that whatsoever. In so

574
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,239
far as there are people in the
United States who are violating the terms of

575
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,599
their visas, we should deport them. And if there are people who are

576
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:58,159
materially helping terrorists, then we should
prosecute them. But I don't think that

577
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:02,760
the institutions that the University of Florida
and the University of Central Florida to which

578
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,159
DeSantis is alluding match that description,
And if they did, I would want

579
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:13,199
to see the police being sent after
them, not university administrators. It's good,

580
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,320
of course that they should have been
keen to make sure that you weren't

581
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:21,719
these things. I actually got banned
from about one hundred subreddits because I defended

582
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,920
Charles C. W. Cook.
I'm serious now, I would tell you

583
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:30,320
how exactly to go and find those
pieces in Reddit. But for all I

584
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,599
know, they've been memory hold because
the digital world, as we know,

585
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,239
is difficult to navigate. Oh you
got your Bing, you got your Google,

586
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,800
you got the rest of it.
But it you know, that's just

587
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,360
the overlay on top of this huge
writhing mass. This is this whorld of

588
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,880
ants and centipedes and the rest of
it. How do you figure it out?

589
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:50,599
The digital world? It is full
of hurdles, he said, mixing

590
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:54,639
his metaphors. But with persist seo, you heavy seasoned guide. Are you

591
00:41:54,639 --> 00:42:00,599
feeling overshadowed online happens, Well you
can shine bright with their digital marketing expertise.

592
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,800
Are you competing with the big players, Well, let persist Seo be

593
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,880
your sacred weapon. And if leads
are trickling in or they're non existent,

594
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:13,320
their optimization strategies will open the floodgase. So say yes to digital marketing.

595
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,960
Let your website do the heavy lifting
lost in the vastness of search engines.

596
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:21,800
What persist seo will put you on
the map. Navigating Google feels like a

597
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,320
chore, sometimes a hand over the
reins to persist Seo. And if costs

598
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,400
are spiraling, their Google ads management
is the remedy you need now your digital

599
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,679
success story. It's just around the
corner. So reach out at I'm going

600
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,199
to give you a phone number here, pay attention. It'll be also on

601
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:42,800
the Ricochet side, but it's seven
seven oh five eight zero three seven three

602
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:46,119
six seven seven zero five eight zero
three seven three six or drop by.

603
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:52,039
I need Seo dot help to get
help for the complementary website audit and consultation

604
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:57,360
with Persistent Seo. Every challenge meets
its match, and we think persist Seo

605
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,079
for sponsoring this the Brigachet podcast.
You were going to say, Stephen,

606
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,840
Yeah, So, by the way, I read that immigration forum that all

607
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,679
prospective immigrants have to fill out,
and it does have as ridiculous goes on

608
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,320
for fifty pages, right, and
another ridiculous questions like are you coming to

609
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,400
the United States to engage in terrorist
activities? Oh? Sure, Ahbed's gonna

610
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,039
check yes for that, right.
I mean, it's like some comedian wrote

611
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:24,800
the darn thing. But on the
point on the I think where I harshly

612
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,280
disagree with you is what I think, strictly speaking, Governor to Santus has

613
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,719
done is said that students for Justice
in Palestine, in which they're chapters all

614
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,960
over the country, can no longer
be a recognized official student group on the

615
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,400
campuses. That doesn't mean that the
students can't express their opinions, their First

616
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,960
Amendment opinions, as long as they're
not harassing other students. Now, the

617
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,519
curious thing to me here, and
you know this is a we could go

618
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:51,800
a long time arguing about this on
both sides. I think the curious thing

619
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:57,159
to me is so far no student
chapter. But nor has the ACLU brought

620
00:43:57,159 --> 00:44:00,039
a lawsuit against this. Uh.
I mean they're First Amendment rights are being

621
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:04,400
infringed, or their freedom of association
on campus is being infringed. And I

622
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,880
find that a curious thing. You
would think the ACO you would leap to

623
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,519
file that suit against the santis And
I'm wondering if the fear is a lawsuit

624
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,880
would open them up to discovery and
you will find out some very unsavory things

625
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,079
about some of the people involved in
these clubs or some other activities, like

626
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:23,280
are they sending money to hamas front
groups and so forth? And that maybe

627
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,119
what's holding it back. That's just
material Yeah, I mean that would be

628
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:31,000
materials. But the one thing that
I think is going to be a problem

629
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:40,199
for Dissantis is that those chapters are
not under the management of the national chapter

630
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:46,199
or the national organization, and it's
the national organization that is always used as

631
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:51,800
the problem child. And I think
that lack of a nexus would be a

632
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,079
big problem for him in court.
But I agree with you that if if

633
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:58,440
there is something there behind the scenes
that will never get that fuck as you

634
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:05,400
don't want to expose yourself. I
was reading about who was at the congressional

635
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,880
member who's accused of having Hamas ties, having fundraisers who had Amos ties,

636
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:14,360
and the Kind Hearts Foundation popped up
to this. It just brought me screeching

637
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,519
back to two thousand and one,
two thousand and two, two thousand and

638
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:21,920
three, when Kind Hearts and Care
and the rest of them were in the

639
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,800
news in as much as they were
in the news at all, forty having

640
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:31,199
relationships that maybe kind of sort of
did give money or actually did or the

641
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,639
rest of it. It's just once
you open up that lid, there's just

642
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:38,639
this stew of stuff that it's very
hard, and I mean, you can

643
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:42,559
get tripped up in the legalities,
but you know that there's just a lot

644
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:45,800
of money that goes over there for
doing all the things that you really should

645
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:52,280
not be sending them money to do. So yeah, well, I think

646
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,360
Stephen. The reason that they say, are you coming here with the intention

647
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,599
of committing terrorist access so they can
get you on it later when you actually

648
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:01,280
do them, it's like, well, see you said no to this,

649
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:05,599
so this is where we're going to. This is that's exactly right. And

650
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:12,480
that's why they also have rules in
place, for example about destitution, so

651
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:15,199
that if you end up now,
we don't actually enforce them, of course,

652
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,800
but we could. No, we
don't enforce an awful lot of things

653
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:22,079
because that would be that would be
mean, and we don't want to be

654
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:24,400
that. You know, if you're
wondering exactly how I got banned from one

655
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:30,360
hundred subreddits for defending Charlie, it
was in Lockdown Skepticism, which was a

656
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:37,360
subreddit devoted to saying maybe we shouldn't
all go home and weld ourselves into our

657
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:43,760
domiciles for six months because of COVID
And it was a reasonable, science based,

658
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,639
rational, just very interesting form in
which people who did were not terrified

659
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:53,159
Covidians, went to discuss things and
somebody had mentioned an article and discussed that

660
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,079
Charlie wrote, to which somebody responded
afterwards, well, it's nice to see

661
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:01,199
there's one sane person at National And
under that I put, I said,

662
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:07,920
well, I wouldn't say just one, And that comment got me banned from

663
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:13,280
one hundred subreddits because a list went
around that anybody who participated in lockdown skepticism

664
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:19,119
was thereby intellectually contaminated and should not
appear in all the rest of these And

665
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:22,079
so I just got this blanket band
where I couldn't say anything in these places.

666
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:25,159
Now is my life worse because I
wasn't able to post on reddited?

667
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:29,519
No, my life was better because
I wasn't most on Reddit. It's generally

668
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:32,000
become something of assessable and a whole
and I don't want to be there,

669
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:36,719
and I don't even think that I
should. But there probably is some place

670
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:45,000
right now where there sharing cute panda
pictures. Now you're saying, what has

671
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:46,800
this got to do with anything,
Well, i'll tell you again two points

672
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:52,679
one pandits are cute. Maybe you
thought if I think panters are cute,

673
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:55,800
other people think panters are cute,
I'm going to start up a little so

674
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,519
I'm going to sell panda mugs.
No, I'm going to do a little

675
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:00,800
AI drawing up a Pande that I'm
gonna sell it on shirt. So I'm

676
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,960
gonna make a few bucks for the
holiday season. But then how do you

677
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,079
get it out there? How do
you get it to people? Well,

678
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:12,480
here's the deal Shopify. Shopify has
already taken the cash register online and they

679
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:15,400
help millions sell billions around the world. But you know, did you know?

680
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:17,400
Did you know? Did you know
that shopif I can do the same

681
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,719
thing at your retail store. Yes, give your point of sale system,

682
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:28,079
what we call a POS, a
serious upgrade with Shopify. Shopify POS is

683
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:31,320
your command center for your retail store, from accepting payments to managing inventory.

684
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,880
Shopify they got everything to help you
sell in person. You get a powerhouse

685
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:42,519
selling partner that effortlessly unites you're in
person and your online sales into one source

686
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,960
of truth. Track every sale across
your business in one place, and know

687
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:50,400
exactly what's in stock, because that
can be tough. Connect with customers inline

688
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,440
and online. Shopify helps you drive
store traffic with plug and play tools that

689
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:59,039
are built for marketing campaigns, from
TikTok to Instagram and beyond. So get

690
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:04,000
hardware that fits your business, take
payments by smartphone, transform your tablet into

691
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,320
a point of sales system, or
use Shopify's own pos go mobile device for

692
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:12,199
a battle tested solution. Plus their
award winning twenty four to seven help is

693
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:16,039
there to support your success every step
of the way. Do retail right with

694
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:21,320
Shopify. Sign up for a one
dollar per month trial period at shopify dot

695
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,079
com slash ricochet and that's all lowercase
that ricochet. There, go to shopify

696
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:29,719
dot com slash ricochet to take your
retail business to the next level. Two

697
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:36,480
day shopify dot com slash ricochet.
No, we thanks shopify'er son. You'll

698
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:38,480
have to cut that part and put
in this, and we thank Shopify for

699
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:45,079
sponsoring this the Ricochet podcast, I
mentioned pandas, so pandas in the news

700
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:47,440
too. He's got me all.
It's got me all. Exercise James,

701
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,719
because where the animal rights people when
we need them. There's an inverse lesson

702
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,239
on our immigration policy here. Apparently
pandas do not enjoy birthright citizenship if they

703
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,400
were born in American zoos to stay
here. There's no DOCA protection and being

704
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,519
extended to them. There's apparently no
asylum process for Chinese panda bears in our

705
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:07,920
zoos, and so if Trump had
any wit, he would use this as

706
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,199
a part of his China bashing stick. We'll explain to people what's happening with

707
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,119
the pandas. Oh, obviously you're
obviously you were deeply invested by friend.

708
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,400
Well, China wants them back.
Apparently we have some long term lease or

709
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,920
I don't know exactly what, but
China is reclaiming their pandas, some of

710
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,360
whom have been in our zoos for
thirty years or longer. And this is

711
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,760
because you know, we're mad at
China and they're mad at us. And

712
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,679
so this is a little symbolic thing. And I mean, I'm kidding a

713
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:37,519
little bit about the immigration status of
pandas, but it is kind of interesting

714
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:42,880
to me that we're I don't know, it is symbolic of where things are

715
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,079
going, hopefully only symbolic. Well, Charles, you may have noticed in

716
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:50,599
the last week, I think Russia
withdrew from one of the meaningless, useless

717
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:53,280
treaties that we were so happy to
sign back in the eighties or nineties.

718
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:59,679
So it's Biden's foreign policy is collapsing
in all fronts. China wants their pandas

719
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:01,000
back, and Russia is pulling out
of treaties that kept us from, of

720
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,960
course having nuclear war. Do you
think that people out there, what are

721
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,360
you kind of close with this?
Do you think people actually believe that the

722
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:13,559
foreign policy of the United States is
being directed by Joe Biden, or for

723
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,760
that matter, do they think that
anything is really being directed by Joe?

724
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,000
Because I see all these tweets about
these people, these and they're young folk

725
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:24,320
too, who are just so proud
of Biden and the accomplishments, and say,

726
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,159
we let us be honest, this
is the best foreign policy president we've

727
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:30,880
had for an awful long time.
Yeah. I get asked this a lot.

728
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:35,400
Usually people say, is Barack Obama
really running the country? Or is

729
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,199
Valerie Jarrett really running the country?
And I just think the answer is a

730
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:40,679
lot simpler than that. I think
the progressive blob is running the country.

731
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,599
And I think this is one reason
why every young progressive that I know thinks

732
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:49,039
that Joe Biden is marvelous and everyone
else in the country thinks he's a disaster,

733
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:54,000
Because in reality, the people running
the country are the people we see

734
00:51:54,039 --> 00:52:01,840
every day in DC it's the think
tanks and their friends, and Biden's following

735
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:07,840
them. This is why, for
example, Biden was so determined to issue

736
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:13,920
his illegal student loan executive order,
because this was a considerable priority for young

737
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:20,360
progressives who desperately want their student loans
forgiven. It's why we saw Biden having

738
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,039
said that the eviction moratorium could not
be extended, having said that he'd kicked

739
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:28,239
the tires, looked at it from
all angles and found he had no authority

740
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:32,079
did it anyway when Corey Bush slept
outside or cried or something, because the

741
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:37,519
progressive groups wanted there's no master plan
where a Manchurian candidates in the White House.

742
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:39,320
We know who's running the White House. You just have to look at

743
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,840
who gave him the most money at
the last election, useful instrument through which

744
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,159
these desires flow. When he was
elected, we were putting up memes of

745
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,719
him as Joe Gill, a character
in the Patterns of Four Star Trek episode

746
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,079
where this elderly academic has just sort
of propped up and used as a as

747
00:52:55,079 --> 00:53:00,599
a figurehead while they're really evil,
goes through them and uses his authority gravatas

748
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,639
in order to prod the society and
shape it. That was three years ago,

749
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:07,360
and he's not exactly sharper now than
he was back then. So so

750
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,840
yeah. On the other hand,
I was listening to a podcast this morning

751
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,719
about design and they were talking about
the design of the Devo album cover,

752
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,880
the first one, Are We Not
Men? And how actually that strange contorted,

753
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,159
sort of melted faced figure of a
golfer was Chichi rod Rigers. There

754
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:30,280
was a legal battle and then there
wasn't and then Chichi requiesced to it.

755
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:35,480
And the band was talking about how
when they first came up with this image

756
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:37,039
they wanted to do, they believe
that man was devolving. That was the

757
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:39,599
whole thing behind the Devo. We're
devolving now, so we have to have

758
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:45,159
music for that, and that they
viewed this image of the golf player with

759
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,800
a golf ball to be a perfect
example of the emptiness of American commercialism and

760
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,440
advertising and the rest of it,
and so they used this cheap, tawdry

761
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:57,199
image of American banality to put on
their album. Well, they were discussing

762
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,199
they talked to Mark montabaro Is,
one of the members of Devo, who

763
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,719
was saying that back at the time, now that's what we thought, and

764
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,679
that he had to admit now,
however, that he really liked golf,

765
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:13,440
and he did, and what he
thought was exclusionary and ridiculous at the time

766
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,920
when he was a young man.
Now he just he really liked it.

767
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,320
And then he paused, and as
if admitting that his entire life had been

768
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,760
a lie, he said, and
I have to say, I'm also really

769
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:30,599
fond of professional football. So there's
hope that the guys with the weird flower

770
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:35,320
pot hats in their twenties who are
eager to tear down American capitalism and consumerism

771
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,800
the rest of it, eventually age
into a period where they are not senescent

772
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,880
because they take what we told you
about before early in this podcast, but

773
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:51,719
are actually attuned to the true boons
joys of American life, like football.

774
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,880
How's your team doing, Charles,
pretty well? Six and two bout to

775
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,440
play the forty nine ers after a
bye week, so that goes, shut

776
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,920
up, shut up. We beat
the forty nine so there, Stephen,

777
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:05,639
Yes we did, Stephen. Do
you have a team or are you a

778
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:08,159
baseball guy or a hockey or well
not, no, I mean I'm a

779
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:13,679
sports I'm a generous fan. High
a lie? What lie right. Actually,

780
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,239
James, I think the most interesting
story, one of the most interesting

781
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,480
stories in football is you're in Minnesota
Vikings who have this third string quarterback who's

782
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:24,800
what an astrophysicist or something and is
performing very well an engineer, And I

783
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,480
think that's a fun story to watch. That was just great. Yeah,

784
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,119
our beloved Kirk Cousins goes out for
the season and they plug in another guy

785
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,840
and within about, oh, I
don't know, two minutes or so,

786
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,960
he's concussing what we bring out the
third guy, at which point you really

787
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,920
want to know how deep the bench
goes and the guy rallies them to victory.

788
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:50,079
It was quite fun in a season
that has been hard at the times,

789
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:52,239
it was fun. It was fun. Anyway, this has been fun.

790
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,559
And we're going to quit because we've
said all we need is we could

791
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:58,880
go on for another forty five minutes. You know that, But no,

792
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,360
we're gonna let you get on with
your life. Charles and Steven and the

793
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,800
audience as well. But I got
to tell you go to Ricochet. Why

794
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,599
don't you join? You will realize
it's the place you've been looking for all

795
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:10,480
your years on the web. Now
you can read the front page for free,

796
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,800
but the member feed which Stephen referenced
to, and can get an advanced

797
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,440
reading of some of the finest writing
and thoughts by people you probably don't know.

798
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,320
And that's great because they're not the
same old talking heads who have been

799
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,760
floating around myself excluded for years and
years and years. They're smart people,

800
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,639
fresh people, and you're gonna love
them. So go there. Sign and

801
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,440
also Neurohacker, Spotify, persist Seo. You can support them, and you'll

802
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,400
be supporting us and making your life
easier, better and smarter as well.

803
00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:39,559
So thank you everyone for listening.
I think we will see everybody in the

804
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:44,519
I'm not going to ask Charles about
Ricochet five point zero is going, because

805
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,039
we know it's coming along any second
now. But for the moment, we'll

806
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:52,679
see you all the comments said Ricochet
four point zero. Next week, maybe

807
00:56:52,719 --> 00:57:00,920
Steven see around. James Ricochet h
joined the conversation