Welcome to Spacing Out with Boebe and Jason this week covering Battlestar Galacticas season four
episode thirteen, The Oath. Welcome back, I'm Baby and I'm Jason,
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past this episode, which is Battlestar Galactica season four, episode thirteen, The
Oath. This aired on January thirtieth, two thousand and nine. Written by
Mark Verheyden, directed by John Dahl. The survivor count at the beginning of
the episode is thirty nine thousand, six hundred and forty three people, just
down one from last time. I don't remember oh. In this episode,
Felix Gaeta springs Zerk from jail and organizes a mutney aboard the Galactica with both
civilians and officers. A Dama and Ti are taking hostage but break free of
their captors. Roslin uses Baltar's wireless to address the fleet, and the two
escape on a Raptor heading to the Cylon bass Star, but Gaeta orders the
raptor destroyed. Cut to be continued. Is to be continued, and there's
a lot more action in there. Vibe check. Did we like the episode
overall? How does it stand the test of time? This episode was awesome,
Right. There was so much violence and gore and like movements, and
there was this one shot of fucking Colonel Tie with a rifle in one hand
and a handgun in the other and he just looked fucking cool. I was
like, what is going on, old man making ass? Yeah, it
was really fun. Like we've seen Adama into like some action before, and
we've seen them like I don't like, suit up and go down to the
planet and like it's military garbs or we've seen him such a couple of guys,
and this is like we're going back to all of our old military training,
just like me and my buddy taking on everyone. Yeah. So yeah,
it's full of like adrenaline and kind of an espionage thing with people like
being undercover and choosing sides and yeah, lots of action, violence and kind
of like I don't know, people like I guess, making the decision to
do stuff that they aren't gonna be able to take back, like right,
very very like we're nearing the end of the series and people are really it's
polarizing. I think they were. They were making decisions that are going to
change the trajectory of their characters in this universe. And I think Adama even
says like they're going to be a reckoning. Yeah, so it's like,
WHOA. But I really liked this episode. I think this is one of
my favorite episodes so far. Yeah, and even for like a part one
cliffhanger, like it wasn't just like all build up with no payoff, like
it was engaging the whole time. Yeah, trivia time. What facts could
we uncover for the Oath? It's a little bit of trivia. This episode
was originally set to be directed by Kevin Smith, who was an ardent fan
of the series, but there were some scheduling conflicts that prevented him from directing.
Kind of glad, I don't think it would have been as fast paced
unfortunately. Yeah, I don't know what Kevin smith Battlestow episode would have been.
Does he ever guest start again? I guess that's a spoiler. I
don't know. No, maybe in the new season, the one that's like
in the works. Maybe it's also like, well, so this episode directed
by John Dall. I think that's a new name for Battlestar as well.
But at this point in the series there's not a lot of new directors coming
in, like they kind of need people who know what's going on. Wait,
so it's like Kevin Smith's working on Jersey Girl or something like that.
What's going on? Do we know? I'm just trying to look into it.
Seems like there was some like miscommunication going on and they ended up like
thinking he couldn't do it, and they scheduled someone else, and then like,
I don't know, there was some like apology letter. Wow, someone
dropped the ball. Huh. Yeah, I don't know. This episode was
written and shot before the episodes were even conceived, which is the reason that
there is no on screen display of Gaeta and Hoshi's relationship or the potential conflicts
that may have entailed, which is an element that the showrunner, Ronaldymore,
wished he could have included in the episode. Oh yeah, because his boyfriend's
like probably on the side of Galactica. Yeah, yeah, and they're communicating
back and forth on the CIC. Yeah, there could have been another element,
just even like eyes, like like longful looks. Yeah, but that's
all I have for Trivia Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some of our
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So what do you want to talk about because this episode's super juicy and has
so many different things that are going on. Well, okay, I want
to talk about how we start at six am in the morning and Admiral Adama
is in his quarters having a gross cup of coffee that's freshly brewed, and
his bff, Colonel Tye, who happens to be a Cylon, comes in
and is like, good morning, bestie, and then awkwardly, it feels
like it's awkward for Tie. Laura comes in in her head wrap, real
cash like and be like, oh baby, good morning, and a Colonel
ties like Scorman and it was so good. I really liked and Adama and
her like kiss good morning, and they have like a regular relationship. And
I think it's really weird for Colonel Tie to witness this. But I love
how Adama just plays it off like, oh, yeah, this is just
casual, everyday thing. Yeah, this is a new normal. Yeah where
you been. Roslin knows that it's making him uncomfortable, and she's just rolling
with it. Yeah, she's making it even more awkward. And then like
she sits down and opens a book, but she's totally listening to their conversation.
Yeah, and they're talking about like how you know there's still people who
are not getting with the program to change the cylon technology and they're like refusing
to let cylons on their shipps and they have zeric and custody still and a
bunch of shit is happening. And I love when they cut to Laura looking
over at them big side eye, and then when then she all of a
sudden like looks back at her book like, Oh, I wasn't paying attention,
just playing. I'm not involved, I'm not getting involved. Yeah.
She keeps saying that she's not getting pulled back in. She gets pulled back
in. It was so funny. I really love that that she's like,
I'm not getting involved, but you really need to get so and so on
board or else it's not going to work and you need to talk to this
guy and you really need to do this and that, but I'm not involved.
And there was a look that current Adama gave her before he left that
was like, bitch, you getting involved, and she's like, that's all
I'm gonna say. And then their whole little tid for tad like they're a
little back and forth, but about like having supper ready. That was so
cute. I really enjoyed that conversation. I feel like their relationship is really
blossoming. Yeah, Like it's adorable and it's nice to see it after you
know, all these years of build up and quiet like looks and just like
admiration and all that, and they started like with so much friction between them.
Yeah, so yeah, it's nice to see that. But then later
when when her boo gets in trouble, she's fully back in. Oh yeah,
she had her wig on, she had her book in the morning,
she had her scarf on, her pajamas, her robe. She was like,
you know, real chill, and then like shit was going down.
I'm sure she heard like gunshots and shit too, so she like got it
together. She put on some blush, she threw on that wig and brushed
her down. She's like, whatever happens, I'm gonna look good. And
so that's like Laura. She's like her in Adama's quarters, basically waiting to
see what's going to happen and ready to do whatever happens next. It looks
like, thankfully in the background there's other people moving, so Gata he feels
so like, I feel like, what's going on, you know, like
midlife crisis or something like like the depression or the like denial or the like
unprocessing of his like amputation is causing him to just like act a fool and
instead of like taking care of himself, he's like, no, fuck the
cylons and fuck everyone who likes a cylon, and he's like, I'm going
to start a revolution. And he we saw him doing that when he's stirring
the pot, when he's like, close that door, we're going to have
a conversation. And then he goes and talks to Zack, who I don't
know if he's a sale. Honestly, I feel like Xeric is just using
him as a pawn and he doesn't realize how powerful of a pawn he's got
because this guy controls the communications of the warship that protects the whole fleet.
Like, I didn't realize how much Gata was like the head of communications until
every time anybody try to call Galactica, it was him that was like,
good afternoon, thank you for calling Galactica. How can I help you.
I'm sorry, he's busy right now, I can take a message. He
is the administrative assistant, he's the receptionist or the like, Yeah, he's
basically like what is it called when you do something with calls and screening?
He's screening the calls and I had no idea, Like everybody who calls Galactica
or is trying to communicate with Galactica, here's Gata's voice. Yeah, so
he is effectively the voice of Galactica to other ships and two other crew members
who call in and we're like, hey, there's a fire here. Gata
knows. Yeah, And he's in such a unique position because of this.
They're like he's really able to control the CIC for quite some time and throw
them off the trail, and anytime something comes up, he has, you
know, another solution in mind of like, oh maybe this is the greatest
ghost whatever that is. Yeah, he's a great improviser because he knows the
ship so well and he knows the mechanics, and then the reactions that that
Adama is going to have to it, like, oh it's probably this,
Oh you're right, well, let's just do Let's just evacuate everyone then,
and as I as you evacuate everyone, then his goonies or no, what
are they called goons? Goons They're like cleaning out the artillery compartment, and
you know, Starbuck calls the CIC and it's like civilians are arming themselves,
and Gata's like, I'm sorry, he's busy right now. Can I take
a message? And he makes it so that Zeric can escape without any problems.
And when Zak gets to Colonial one, which is the name of the
ship that all the politics happens on, I guess everyone's confused because there was
no message from Madama saying hey, I'm sending him back. We're gonna like
let him go because he didn't let him go he escaped, yeah, And
Lee calls Galactica and he's like, hey, what the fuck is my dad
doing? And Gata is like, I'm sorry, he can't talk right now.
You can leave a message, you know how he is so it's like
another instance where Gata is blocking effectively blocking communication that is necessary for the ship
to be in the know that something is off. Yeah, And it's funny
later when Gata is in control of the CIC and he's giving orders like none
of his guys know how to do ship no, Yeah, he's like,
why don't you just block the signal? And he's like, what do you
mean, I don't know how to do that, And it takes him forever
to get from the table where everybody does their little playbooks and all that,
you know, where Captain Adama does his orders to go up the stairs through
that narrow passage behind all those chairs to get to his seat, and then
he was able to finally kill the transmission, but it was too late.
The message was out. But yeah, he's working with really like there,
I feel like there are two types of people working for data, like die
hard Cylon Hayton motherfuckers, and then people who aren't sure but they're like it
feels right and I'm following orders. It sounds right that this is treason,
so I'm I'm going with the flow. And I think we saw that with
the two guys that the two Marines that we're taking Colonel Tie and General Ado
or is it General Admiral Admiral Adama to the brig The one in the front
was such a dick, and then the one in the back was like,
hey, you know, we're just doing what we can. You know,
was his loyalty was divided because yeah, he served Adama for so long.
Yeah, and he were yeah, so, and I think that's kind of
interesting. I think like that, I feel like he doesn't have full control
of everyone the way he wants to have control of everyone. Because of that,
and there's hesitation in a lot of them. You saw the hesitation with
Leadama coming on the board and race Track watching everybody like almost killed Leadama.
And she's like, wait what, I didn't sign up for this? Yeah,
because they like Leadama was almost shot in the face. Yeah, we
see you know a number of characters that we we know and may become the
like like taking sides against a mama. You know, you got race Track,
you got Selick su distract Sanders so he can be taken. Yeah,
she was. I was like confused why she was coming up to him and
talking shit to him. I was like, oh, is she trying to
like flirt with him right now. Yeah, I thought she was just like
horny right there, like I know your wife's back, but let's give us
another shot. Like why didn't you look at my tits last time we were
out drinking. Well, it's because you're a defective Cylon and I fucking hate
you. And then they beat the shit out of Vanders. I could not
believe it. I was so upset. He had very little lines, and
but his emotion and his like acting in this was so good, Like you
could tell like he is done, he's like depressed. Yeah, so they're
rounding up all the cylons. Oh yeah. They go into Hilo's house and
they're like big ben Ben bang and the baby girls like what the fuck?
And they grab her and then the guy that was from Pegasus was reminding him
how he killed that rapist. Yeah, and then he threatened to rape Sharon.
I was like, that's horrifying that that's a motivator to fight back.
But he's in the brig now. They I'm glad that they put them together
so at least they're like in a family unit. Still, was Heilo in
there? Yeah? Yeah, they threw him in their unconscious Remember that makes
sense I guess I wouldn't just leave him. Yeah, but I remember the
last thing he said was like I'm coming back for you, like he was
going to come back and rape her. Later's scary. Yeah, So they
got they got they already had number six in there because she basically lives there
and is pregnant with Ty's baby or something. Yeah, you have Athena and
they got Ander's. They were looking for Todd. They thought they had time.
They had time for a moment. Chief Tarrell. He's like he was
hanging out with he's hunkered down with Guias and kind of helping. He's just
out there doing good deeds. Basically, Yeah, he's doing he's doing the
Lord's work. I didn't realize that he was so invested in it until I
saw him at Gaius's like camp and like giving orders and telling people like we
got to do this. Like he figured out that communications weren't working and so
he's like walkies and he's just so smart. Like I really like him in
this episode. I think because he's so chill and not in that awful uniform.
He was pretty chill and just like managing the situation. Yeah, it's
kind of weird to that right, because he's normally just like a guy who
follows orders or is really stressed about one of his girlfriends. Now that he's
single, he's like chill, he's in command, he's in control, and
he's like got this. But yeah, I really liked his role in this.
I feel like he was like taking up arms. He's like, we're
we're gonna we already have an escape plan for Guias because we know they're gonna
come after him, because he's a cylon lover, like to nobody knows what
extent, but it's he's an extreme cylon liver. Like he doesn't even have
a cylon on his side, but he imagines them in his mind. Like
Tory wasn't in this episode. I think she's on the the cylons. Yeah,
but they did reference her when Gaius Baltar and Laura Rosalind we're having their
conversations about how they both didn't pick good residential like aids, yeah, and
she tells him like, you know, Felix, maybe you can talk to
him, and he does try. He calls Gayda and he's like, this
isn't you man, what's going on? Yeah, And then he brings up
something about a pen. Yeah, so I believe he's referencing when Gada stabbed
him with that pen. It was after Baltard whispered in his ear, which
we only know from the wepisodes, that he was referring to how Gata was
giving on a new kapper. He was giving a list of names to that
number eight. Oh yeah, he was. He was reverse Schindler's list.
Yeah. Yeah, So he's basically saying like, hey, like, your
hands have been dirty in all this too. You're right, nobody's innocent in
this war. We all have had our difficulties, and I'm really glad that
Laura talked about that in her broadcast. So the reason that they go to
Gaias is because they know that their safety there, but I think they also
need that broadcast. Laura needs to get a message out to the fleet.
And they happened to see what's his name? We just were talking about him,
chief Chief, Yeah, Chief, which, like I feel like running
into him on accident was a godsend because the other woman wasn't gonna let her
in. Yeah, she was such a bitch too well, because like the
previous interactions that the group has had with Rosalin as her trying to like shut
down their to organize, Like Rosalind likes to fuck around with people's human rights
that's been established. She's like not, she's a complicated character. Like she
took away the right to abortion, let's not forget. Yeah, they predicted
that Robie Babe would be overturned, so that's scary, and yeah, I
feel like she has There's just like a lot of good dialogue back and forth
between characters and this, and they're usually pretty short scenes, but like Roslin
and Baltar's kind of going back and forth about like who is the worst president?
You're not even on the throne anymore. It was good to see them
together too, because they've had a lot of like conflict before, like you
know, they don't like each other in the ways that they do, and
so work them working together, them are escaping together. Crazy. They've also
saved each other's lives before. Yeah, yeah, herd unlikely ally the first
portion she thought of when they're like calms are down, Yeah, and so
Chief is like, well, we have a plan where if you can be
at escape hatch number four at noon, we got an escape plan. Yeah.
Chief already had it all set up for Yeah, He's like we're already
done, we're leaving. Yeah, so we get like a big kind of
reunion scene where Starbuck and Lee and the President and the Panama and everyone kind
of convened in that what was that room was like an old something that got
destroyed during some time something, and Chief was like working on rebuilding just in
case something. He's like, I rebuilt it just in case something like this
happened. Honestly, I don't know what you guys have been doing, but
I've been prepping. He's a prepper. He's got like buckets of food and
stuff. Well, they had crates of shit out with Baltar. He was
probably helped them hoard. Yeah, so President and the Admiral are making out
what everyone's standing around watching them. Yeah, it was weird, and it
was kind of a long kiss too, But it might be their last kiss,
right, That's kind of the understanding. There's it's like they haven't seen
each other. There's been a lot going on, and there's safeties at risk,
and I think Adama at this point already knows that he's staying behind,
so he's going to make a count. Yeah, I mean you get the
sense of, like, this is our last stand yeah. Speaking of kisses,
though, how about that Starbuck and Leadama kiss That was random and just
for the thrill of it. It seemed like, Yeah, I mean Starbuck
was just hyped up on adrenaline. She was in the moment. It was
like I finally have something fun to do on the ship. He was so
chaotic because I think she's been dealing with like burying herself or burning herself up.
Yeah, She's like, I need an award to distract me. I
need to shoot people. I need a murder. She killed up. She
straight up killed that man that was about to shoot Leadama. Yeah, and
then she shot another guy almost fatally, like in the chest, and she's
like, I will fucking shoot all of you motherfuckers. Try me. And
she even told them before she when she got Lee on her side and was
like run, She's like please follow me, like please, yeah, make
my day. Wants a fight. She doesn't want Adama taking hostages like no,
yeah, She's like, these are the enemies. That was scary and
I wish they would have done a little bit more with that, but it
wasn't about her, so I was like, that's fine. I don't know
what they did with her, though, because she didn't look like she stayed
behind with them in the escape patch. It looked like it was just because
she was in the room with them with Leadama and Rosalin and the other ones.
But we don't know, Like the only people we saw holding down the
fort was Colonel Tye and General or Admiral Ldama. Yeah, I honestly don't
remember where where they want to Starbuck ended up at the end. I don't
think they're in that room with them, and I don't think they left on
the Raptor either. Yeah, so maybe they left before it got hot in
there in that area. We don't know. Yeah, so to be continued,
that was oh my god. Yeah, so the Raptor is able to
undock and leave with Laura and Gaius heading probably to Colonial One so that she
can like put out the fire, that metaphorical fire that Felix started. I
think they said they're heading to the bay ship. Oh I don't know what
that is. Okay, Well, I don't know where they're going. Let
me just be honest. They're leaving. And as they're leaving, we cut
to the c C with Gata in charge, and he's like, who's available,
who's like in the air right now, and they're like, it's hot
Dog and this other guy, and he's like, well, get ahold of
the other guy because he probably thinks hot Dog will listen right hopefully. Maybe,
I mean, I want hot Dog to be on our side. So
he gets along with Starbuck for the most part, like they were giving razzine
each other the earlier in the episode, talking about how she named him hot
Dog and it was a good name for him because he got a girl pregnant.
But then she threw her cereal at him, and I was confused.
She can give it out, but she can't take it, yeah, because
she fucked half the fleet too. She can't. But she's got nothing to
show horror, And that's weird because I think she does want a kid.
Remember when she had that kid that didn't belong to her. Yeah, But
anyway, he doesn't choose hot Dog to be the guy to seek destroy and
kill or whatever. I don't remember the exact line, because because that guy
was like, what are your orders? Like? Once I get a hold
of this other guy, and his orders are to kill or destroy that raptor
yep, And I feel like that is the true turning point for him because
he had a choice to let him go, but he shows to like try
to destroy them. And now it's to be continued, and I'm so excited.
I think we covered the whole episode. I mean, I'm sure there's
we can keep picking a little moments in there we love. But oh yeah,
it was a good episode. There was like the whole episode was Chef's
kiss except for the kiss between Lee and Starbuck. I could have lived without
that. I could have had her like doing some other like extreme physical like
fists in the air, like shaking up and being like, yeah, it's
excited. That would have been funny, like picks him up and tosses him.
Yeah. So yeah, that was a lot of fun. But let's
move on Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the episode. How
do you pick an astral queen in this episode? Right? Oh my god,
how do you pick an up an astral queen in this episode? I
guess let me talk through the narrow it down. So you've got Colonel Tie
looking badass. He looks so cool with those guns. He had the coolest
dance. You've got Roslin getting back in the game. Given her speech,
I'm kind of leaning towards Chief Tarroll because he was like ready prepared. He
was ready and cool about it, just calm as a cucumber. Everyone else
is like scrambling to figure it out, and they get to Chief Tarrell and
he's got everything lined up. He's like, yeah, I have some juice
boxes in the back. Are you hungry? Like, what's going on?
Guys don't leave on an empty stomach. Yeah, I mean, who else
is an option? Starbuck, she like saved Liadama from being straight up murdered,
and she like was one of the one of the first to like notice
something was off. That girl from Gaius's temple went straight to the temple and
was like, there's something for she happening. We better like the redhead with
the short hair when she was leaving the hangar deck or whatever. Oh yeah,
she's so like Starbuck was like, citizens are arming themselves or civilians civilians
and I don't know. Yeah, I think I'm just gonna go with Chief
Tarrell together. I'm gonna go with Laura Rosalin because she was going to stay
out of it, but she got sucked back in. All right, I
mean honorable mentions for everyone else basically, yeah, even Gayta, right,
even Gata was like doing the most gata for running the whole CiCe on his
own right, like I'm doing all of the jobs. He's like, get
out of my way. God damn it, who put these consoles so far
apart? All right, well, then, Chief Tyrell and Laura Roslin President
Rosalin, her awards are going to your last known address. So that does
it. For the main part of this episode, we're going to go into
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right, let's spoil something. What happens to the ship? You don't remember?
What do you mean, what happens to it? I feel like Laura
obviously gets away with it. She'll like gonna get to her destination and fix
everything, right, Yes, I mean remembering specifically how events go down.
Not too sure, I think. So they retake the c S. I
think she Carold does does a lot more next time too. I think he's
like crawling through the vowels of the ship to get to where they need to
go. And while he's down there, he notices that Galactica has got some
major crack center and isn't going to live much longer. Oh no, so
then setting up for kind of the rest of the episodes there. But yeah,
we Gata and Zeric do not win this, No, and they are
executed. They execute Gata how in the airlock? No wait, I think
it's firing spot what damn. It's intense and yep together, and I think
there's a kind of nice heart to heart between Baltar and Gata right before that.
But yeah, it's the end of a sad arc Regata. Yeah,
I'm damn help the ar. Yeah, I think next episode is kind of
continues the energy of this episode, So it's very much satisfying in that way,
I guess. So after that, we kind of shift gears and we
start learning a lot more about the Cylons the final five, and we get
Ellen back in the mix, and I'm glad. It kind of feel like
she has this chaotic energy about her that really lines up the Cylon Crows and
the lives of like Colonel Tie and everyone else. I just keep anytime I
think about Ellen, I think about that time they had dinner and she was
flirting so hard with Leodonna, so hard. Oh well, I wanted to
touch on how Adama is like very clear about how there is no forgiveness,
no amnesty for anyone who's taking sides against him. That's not necessarily true because
the end of the series, they need everyone they can get to go attack
the Cylon colony, and so we see people like track back back in action.
So there's some forgiveness for like white women men, but if you're a
gay brown man, you're fun well, if you're if you're leading the insurrection
versus you know, just merely participating in it. Oh, I was just
caught up in the heat of the moment, you know, then why was
their duct tape and firearms in the trunk at your car? Ma'am? I
don't know. I don't know if I buy it. How do they gauge,
like how innocent somebody? Is there a loyalty test? I don't know.
I don't know either, and I don't know what else to talk about.
All right, Well, let's in this episode, so next time there
will be blood on the scales of justice. Is that what it means?
I don't know. Oh, it means blood on the scales of a dragon.
What if the show all of a sudden just had dragons in it?
No, there's an interview somewhere with Edward James almost or he was like,
if they bring aliens into the show, I'll give them like one scene where
I take a heart attack and die and then I'm out. He's not into
Star Trek. No, he just didn't want the series to go there.
Oh well, and in the next episode he's going to have a heart attack.
All right, that's it. Something about a mutiny and don't do that
or do it depends? Yeah? Would you do a mutiny? I feel
like I would be like, I'm open to technology. What if it's like
the introduction of Wi Fi. You know what I mean. We've been using
these fucking calm systems, and all of a sudden, now I can text
people what I think. The Cylon technology. Please, suddenly you can be
like streaming and all this stuff. Yeah, I want TikTok. I don't
have to listen to these like twenty four hour political talk shows they seem to
have. It's either political talk or the religious. Like radio station in the
rural like Arkansas, I only have two stations, yeah, I think.
Yeah, sign me up network my ship. Yeah, give me the Bylon
technology please, Oh my god. All right, Well, see y'all later,
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