1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:33,719 in the UK and around the world. Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal podcast, 3 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,679 coming to you from the heart of Pendle Witch Country in the northwest of England. 4 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:42,840 My name is Craig Bryant, author, investigator and collector of stories. 5 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:49,759 Join me as we take a journey into the paranoral UFO sitings, cryptozoology and 6 00:00:49,920 --> 00:01:04,519 big casts. This is the Paranoral Pendal Podcast. So welcome to episode forty 7 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:11,959 three of Paranormal Pendal, broadcast into the Paranormal UK network at PAUK radio dot 8 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:18,280 com. My guest on this episode is author Colin Saunders, who's written a 9 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,200 book called The Triangling UFOs of the United Kingdom. So yeah, Colin, 10 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:27,000 very pleased to have you on the podcast. Welcome, Thank you Craig, 11 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,480 and thank you for inviting onto your podcast. I'm looking forward to it. 12 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:36,400 Our problem. Can we of start off by telling us a little bit about 13 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,159 yourself? Then? Yes, yes, I feel that's important when it comes 14 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:46,640 to the sighting due to the career that I've had. So first I need 15 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,040 to say that I was never into UFOs. I wasn't looking for UFO on 16 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:53,480 the night of the encounter. It wasn't something that really took my imagination. 17 00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:57,120 I'd been to see Star Wars when I was when that first came out in 18 00:01:57,159 --> 00:02:02,319 the eighties, but I will looking for UFOs was in no UFO groups or 19 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:07,599 anything along those lines. Now my working career I started off and I still 20 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:13,520 I'm actually a draftsman. I'm an electrical design draftsman by discipline, and I 21 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,560 spent a couple of years accompanying Inkley doing the machine tool control, in a 22 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:23,520 couple of years doing printed circuit board design, and then more importantly, at 23 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:29,240 the young age of only twenty one, I went to work on the airbus 24 00:02:29,479 --> 00:02:32,759 in Germany in Hamburg on the Airbus eight three hundred A three ten y early 25 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:38,360 air buses. I spent a year working in the fuselage as a draftsman, 26 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:43,199 drawing up the cabling, etc. From Germany, I went over to New 27 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,159 Zealand for eighteen months from a girlfriend, where I worked in refrigeration with control 28 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:53,120 systems there for carcass freezers and cool stores. Back from New Zealand we came 29 00:02:53,159 --> 00:02:59,319 back and I spent a year working in Aberdeen working for Chevron Petroleum, so 30 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,360 that was interesting. Then that involved a lot of flying and helicopters. I 31 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,439 only went out to the platforms a couple of times, but it was a 32 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:09,520 great experience, a lot of a lot of flying there in helicopter, flying 33 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:16,000 different types of helicopters, so that was quite an experience. After the contracting 34 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:22,240 Aberdeen, I moved on to Sweden where I worked for Sabera Space. I 35 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,560 spent two years working in Sweden. I spent one year working in the cockpit 36 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,800 and the second year working on the wings and the engines and the horizontal and 37 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:38,240 vertical stabilizers. So again that was a great insight into aviation, especially as 38 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:44,560 the manufacturing plant was on the airfield where they build the fier planes as well, 39 00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:47,319 Like they used to build the Big and then the Vegan and then the 40 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,680 Gripp and they would be taken off all day long, like you know, 41 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,080 right next to my window where I'm sitting joying. It was just quite exciting 42 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,560 place to be. So I'm trying to portray here the amount of aviation involvement 43 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:06,280 I've had before the sighting. I came back from Sweden for the birth of 44 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:12,000 my daughter actually, and then I got a job at Courtals in Coventry. 45 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,480 One of their companies called Antiqua that make design flaws. Just at that point 46 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:21,480 you made a transition from drawing board to computer aided design. And whilst working 47 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:27,560 at Courtals, I became Auto CAD User of the Year in nineteen ninety two 48 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,800 for a project we did there with the automation of design flaws. Unfortunately, 49 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:40,199 my daughter, when she was about sort of seven years old, caught chicken 50 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,959 pox. Obviously, I've never had chicken pox before, and I caught it 51 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,759 off her and I was really ill and needed to say it turned into post 52 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:53,560 viable fatigue syndrome. It was that bad. I actually lost my job and 53 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,680 I had to start again. I became self employed. It took over a 54 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,639 year to get myself into a state where I could work again. It took 55 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,040 quite a few years to get rid of the post viol fatigue. They used 56 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,680 to called it em E in them days, the upid disease. Yeah, 57 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:14,480 So that sort of set me into doing my own business. So I set 58 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:17,959 my business up doing embroidery designs and I'm still doing that today. So baby, 59 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,480 it's called digitization. So somebody will sent me a picture, say like 60 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:26,160 Mickey Mouse, and then I will turn it into stitches and send that back 61 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,160 to the embroidery company. So I spent my whole life drawing, drawing boards 62 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,639 computer raided design. That's all I've ever done since I left school and I'm 63 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,279 now sixty five, so I have to say it was a great way of 64 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:43,240 making a living. It's been absolutely fantastic. So I started my business from 65 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,279 home and started to expand a little bit. I've got another two designers and 66 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,040 another girl working in an embroidery machine. For me had a small, single 67 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:56,560 head embroider machine, so there were four of us working in the dining room, 68 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,399 so it was getting a bit cozy. It was just getting to the 69 00:05:59,399 --> 00:06:03,800 point where we're looking at moving out. But this was perfect because this is 70 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,399 the time I had my sighting, and because I've got the staff at home, 71 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,120 I could concentrate on the site and the next day rather than having to 72 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,560 work as such, because it was such a paradigm shift in my way of 73 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,399 thinking that it took me a long time to calm down after what took place. 74 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:27,879 So basically that's a quick resume of my working career, and hopefully that'll 75 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:30,600 give you an insight into why I think the sighting that we had. Why 76 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:36,639 I took so much information in so much detail and produced drawings and eventually scale 77 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:42,240 models of the craft that we saw that night. Okay, so John, 78 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:46,439 want to go into the story then of what happened. Yes, it was 79 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:53,040 the thirty first of March nineteen ninety nine. Now, my mother in law 80 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:56,879 it was her birthday that day, she was seventy two years old, and 81 00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:00,519 we went out with my brother in law. He got his he had a 82 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,360 French partner and her grandparents were over visiting. So there were two cars. 83 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:10,279 My wife was driving in the first car Ford Fiesta. My mother in law 84 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:13,439 were sitting in the passenger seat next to my wife, and in the back 85 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:17,240 on the near side was myself and my daughter. In the second vehicle was 86 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:25,199 my brother in law, his girlfriend and the two old French couple. We 87 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,439 went to the White Lion in Pelton, that's in Warwickshire, close to the 88 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,000 Leicestershire Warwickshire border. Pelton is a tiny village. It's that small that the 89 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,560 pub's closed now unfortunately and gone. So we went to the White Line. 90 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,600 We had a meal. Nothing of any particular interest took place whilst we were 91 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,399 doing that, and then we come to leave. Now, I remember my 92 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:49,079 brother in look. I looked out the back of the window of the Fiesta 93 00:07:49,079 --> 00:07:53,519 that my wife was driving. I've seen my brother in law struggling to get 94 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:57,600 the old lady back into the range rover because she was a bit fragile and 95 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,199 there's quite a high step to get into the range rover. So we decided 96 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,839 to pull off first, assuming that they would catch us up on the way 97 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:07,800 back. So off we go, the four of us through the country lanes 98 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,560 and it is absolutely pitch black. There's no street lights whatsoever. Then we 99 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:16,160 go through the first lane and we come up to the Foss Way. Foss 100 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:22,600 Way is an old Roman road and it joins the Watland Street, another Roman 101 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,040 road, at a point called high Cross, which is only just five or 102 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:31,279 six miles from where we're turning from the village of Pelton. So we come 103 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,720 up to the Foss Way, and I think it was my wife said, 104 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:37,720 oh, we're turning onto the Foss now, and my daughter said she was 105 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,480 twelve at the time. She said, oh, there's been talk of headless 106 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,600 horseman down here. So we all aft and said, oh, we'll keep 107 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,879 our eyes open for him. Then as soon as we turned onto the Foss 108 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:50,080 Way again. There's no street lights down the Foss Way. It's all total 109 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,679 pitch black. We turned onto the Foss Way and there in front of us, 110 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,639 exactly half a mile away, are some lights flashing away by the side 111 00:08:58,639 --> 00:09:05,080 of the road, really low down and there's mainly red lights with a bit 112 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,519 of white mingled in, and they were so bright they're unbelievable. We were 113 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,080 straight away we're talking about them, and we're saying, you know, there's 114 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,519 too many lights for an airplane, too many lights or helicopters of the lights 115 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,840 for anything really, and we wouldn't expect any craft to be that low. 116 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:24,480 Also, we'd just come down the road, you know, sort of like 117 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,399 an hour previously. There was no roadworks, there's no lights, there's no 118 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,080 nothing down the Foss never has been in all the years we've gone up and 119 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,879 down there. So we knew it was strange what we were seeing. So 120 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:39,240 we drove up to the lights, talking about them, get all excited, 121 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:45,200 and we stopped the car right next to the lights. Now there were just 122 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:48,600 lights at this point. There was no craft at the back. What turned 123 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,759 out to be the craft at the back with these four big red lights circular 124 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,080 red lights, and they were not parallel to the earth. They were tilted 125 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:01,799 at an angle of about thirty degrees, i'd say, And I could see 126 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,720 a smaller red light off to one side, and white mingled in with all 127 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:09,960 of these lights. So and I would estimate them as being one hundred feet 128 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:15,200 away from the car. Now I've steered my friends now about down the Ashpay 129 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,159 Canal, which is seventy foot long, and I've took that through bridges, 130 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:22,279 etc. So when I say one hundred feet, I mean one hundred feet. 131 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,559 I could have hit it with a cricket ball. And as I'm staring 132 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,519 at the lights, the big red lights, I concentrate on one of the 133 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,440 lights, the one that's highest on the tilt, and I could see like 134 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,759 a crisscross effect on the light. It looked like a traffic lens, traffic 135 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,360 light lens, you know, the red traffic light with a crisscross effect. 136 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,399 I could see that the effect was coming from the light that was being emitted 137 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,480 something along the lines of Newton's law with ring interference. It was not etched 138 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,639 into the light itself. It was like it was definitely a crisscross pattern, 139 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:01,320 but you could see it as being formed by the light being emit from these 140 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,919 big four big red we call them lights at the back of the craft, 141 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:09,840 and I'm thinking to myself, what on earth is going on here? This 142 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,440 is just incredible. At that point, the sky looked like it was starting 143 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,240 to ripple. You could see a slight movement around all of the lights. 144 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,840 At that point, I thought to himself, Oh my word, there's an 145 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:26,440 actual craft. There's something around the lights. It's not just lights suspended that 146 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,879 attached to something. As soon as I had that thought, the craft d 147 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:33,440 cloaked. It was just like Star Trek, you know when the kling On 148 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:37,759 spaceship d cloaks, and there it is a solid craft. That's what happened 149 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:43,039 to us. As I stayed at the light, the craft just materialized. 150 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:48,039 It was so quick. Once it materialized, it was gray metallic. The 151 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:54,279 bottom two ring tips nearest to us developed little fluffy white clouds on the corners, 152 00:11:54,480 --> 00:12:01,080 so condensation, and I think all three points of the craft at this 153 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,559 point had got condensation on these fluffy white clouds. It was difficult to know 154 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,320 what I was looking at at that time. But then once it became solid, 155 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,159 the rear end of the craft stayed where it was, but the nose 156 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,080 floated up in the air, and it floated up like a submarine underwater. 157 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,120 Was the way it moved was so peculiar. It wasn't like a Harrier jump 158 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,960 jet would be moving. It floated up, It glided up like it was 159 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:31,159 in a tank of water. The way it moved was incredible. So has 160 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,200 it tilted up now? It tilted from the back of the craft. If 161 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,519 it tilted from the middle, I swear it would have hit the ground, 162 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,120 it was that close. So the rear end stayed where it was and the 163 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,320 nose floated up like a stallion rearing up in front of you. So what 164 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,840 that revealed to was then was the top surface of the craft, not the 165 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:56,960 bottom, but the top. So the top of the craft it looked like 166 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,799 it was alive. Honestly, Craig, this thing looked like it was all 167 00:13:00,639 --> 00:13:05,360 it was moving. The surface was like a lake of liquid mercury that was 168 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,120 flowing up and down. And on top of this liquid with silver beams that 169 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:15,200 were interlocking like an old fashioned maize in the English country garden. And these 170 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:20,559 beams were quite thick, and they came all over the surface. And as 171 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,039 soon as it lifted up into there and revealed itself. Like I say, 172 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:26,879 it looked like it was alive, like it was organic. The first thought 173 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:31,399 that came to me was, my God, aliens do exist. The second 174 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,519 one was abductions must take place. And my third thought was, this explains 175 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:39,600 mysteries from history where things have been like pyramids and such, because I've got 176 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,519 the feeling all of a suddenly, these creatures that were there in front of 177 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,879 this craft had been around for a long long time. I don't know why 178 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:52,120 I thought that, but it obviously made sense. So we're all shouting excited, 179 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,080 like let's get out, let's get out. I wanted to Me and 180 00:13:56,159 --> 00:13:58,519 my mother in law were so exciting, we wanted to get on board. 181 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:01,960 We would have got on board, forgot the chance. Now, my wife, 182 00:14:01,039 --> 00:14:05,720 being sensible, she decided to pull forward and reverse into a gateway, 183 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:09,559 which would have put us more or less right underneath this craft. But the 184 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,559 problem was actually pulled forward, there was a big hedge and it blocked the 185 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:16,960 view. And I thought to myself, if it's going to go, it's 186 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,000 going to go. Now. She reversed into the gate where we jumped out. 187 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:22,559 Sure enough, it had gone, but there in the distance going away 188 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:26,600 was this craft the size of a football pitch. The one we've been looking 189 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,799 at close to us was probably the size of a house. But when we 190 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:35,360 got out and we stood there and it was total silence. They called it 191 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:43,159 the odds was effect of no cars, no airplanes, no nothing, absolutely 192 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:48,320 pitch black and silent. And there's this craft going away heading I would say, 193 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,000 towards Birmingham Way, quite low altitude, and it was massive, like 194 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,200 a football pitch. But it got four big red lights on the back of 195 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,559 it, the same as the small craft that we'd seen next to the car. 196 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,440 And also at the end of each wingtip of this huge craft going away 197 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:09,000 was a white light which lit up the surface and it wasn't strobing, It 198 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,039 just lit up the top surface of the craft. You could just see it 199 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,000 reflecting off the top and I imagine from underneath you wouldn't see anything at all. 200 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:18,639 And it just sort of floated away from us, and we were saying, 201 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:22,080 you know, look at that, the size of that. It's changed 202 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,200 from a small craft to a big craft. Because we didn't know anything about 203 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,799 UFOs. I mean, after doing a bit of research, I assume now 204 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,120 that was like a mother ship that the small one probably went back to so 205 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:35,759 we watched a large one just sort of disappear, and then we got back 206 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:39,720 in the car checked the time. It was nine point fifty. We don't 207 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,320 know exactly what time we left the pub, but it was a rare on 208 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:45,720 that time, so we didn't think there was any missing time. Now, 209 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,360 we got in the car and drove home, took the mother in law back 210 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:52,519 now and my brother in law had brought the house next door to my mother 211 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:54,360 in law, so he lives next door to his mum. And when we 212 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:58,240 got back there, lo and behold, there's the range Rover. Not only 213 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:02,200 that, it's empt they're run inside the house having a cup of tea. 214 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:06,679 So somewhere along the line they passed us, but they didn't see us, 215 00:16:06,679 --> 00:16:10,519 they didn't see the craft, and they got back home obviously sometime before we 216 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,919 got back. So that was all a bit a bit strange. So they 217 00:16:14,919 --> 00:16:18,679 didn't say anything at all. No, no, And I can't see how 218 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,559 they would have not seen anything, because this thing was lit up like a 219 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,600 Christmas tree, and they were on the same road as you and going in 220 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,399 the same direction. Every Yeah. In fact, he said he was driving 221 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,559 fast in the range Rover to try and catch us up, right, it 222 00:16:30,679 --> 00:16:34,120 just never did catch us up because the only possibility is he just went past 223 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:37,799 when we was in the gateway. But we've got the hazard flashes on and 224 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,840 the craft has only just left. So if he did pass us in the 225 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:45,360 gateway, why didn't he see the craft at the same time, because he 226 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:47,480 would not have missed it, you know, And it was half a mile 227 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:56,159 away from the junction. So that was the start of this of the experience. 228 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,759 And we say, so, what I've talked about there is the nuts 229 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:04,200 and bolts. Want to call about the nuts and bolts of the experience, 230 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,599 But there is more to it, and I'll come back to that in a 231 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:14,880 while. There's some high strangeness, but the way I like to sort of 232 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,640 narrate the story is to talk about what happened next in terms of the nuts 233 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,680 and bolts. So we got home the next day, I mean, it 234 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,599 was all excited to phoning people. In fact, it was a first of 235 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,160 April. The next day April Fall's day. That's made my job a little 236 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:36,680 bit more difficult to try to say people about what we've seen. So I 237 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:41,319 phoned up friends in the ufone magazine. Well, I found a friend of 238 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:44,079 mine and he put me in touch with the UFO magazine. They put me 239 00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:48,440 in touch with the guy called Omar Fowler. We became great friends over the 240 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:53,720 years, and Omar sent me some information on Triangle the craft that he had 241 00:17:53,759 --> 00:17:59,880 been collecting, and inside there there was a drawing from a guy in Belgium 242 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,359 we were in the nineteen eighties, had seen a triangle come over his head 243 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,880 and he'd done a sketch of the underneath of it. Now, what caught 244 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:14,240 my attention was that the underneath of this this triangle has got beams coming out 245 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,960 of it that were interlocking, the same as on the top surface of the 246 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:23,319 craft that we'd seen. So straight away I thought that the Belgium sighting must 247 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,880 have been the same craft or similar series of craft that we'd seen. So, 248 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:32,799 having drawn it and I do it in auto cadeta in coll draw, 249 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:38,440 I then decided to start making models and I used the Belgium sighting for the 250 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,160 bottom of the craft, and I used our own sighting of the rear in 251 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:47,680 the top to produce the rest of the craft. So there's no guarantee the 252 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,519 bottom of the craft had beams on it. I don't know, because We've 253 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:52,960 never seen it, but I'm just assuming that it did have. But it 254 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:59,200 may well just been a smooth bottom. We won't really know. But basically 255 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:02,279 these models, as I started making, I included the Belgium siting on the 256 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:06,799 bottom because it seemed quite logical to me to do that. So I made 257 00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:11,319 my first model, I got some dowling, I printed some nice rains of 258 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:17,079 the cold drawer and I glew those onto the dowling, which was quite quite 259 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,880 interesting. But then what happened. Working from home doing the embroidery, we 260 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,640 started to sell shirts as well as doing designs. So I bought myself a 261 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,440 little van, a little Astra Max van for delivering boxes of T shirts around 262 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,720 the town. Now that was part of my driveway, and the model was 263 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:41,359 in the van near the passenger seat. Somebody broke into it that night and 264 00:19:41,079 --> 00:19:45,119 stole my cassette player, which wasn't worth anything at all, to be honest, 265 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,440 in them days. It was all starting to get into CDs. But 266 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:52,839 also the model disappeared. When I took the van to my friend, who 267 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:55,559 I bought it from, a motor trader, he said it had been, 268 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,920 in his opinion, professionally broken into the way they had gone into it, 269 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:04,720 and he couldn't understand why somebody with those skills would break into a car of 270 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:08,680 that value. There was that point. It was a couple of weeks later 271 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,079 when I was looking for the model and I couldn't find it, I realized 272 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:14,920 that it was stolen, along with the accept plagasse. I knew it was 273 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,160 in the van. It never did turn up. So somebody did steal that 274 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,400 first craft. Whether they knew what they were doing or not, I don't 275 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,720 know. That's probably just a little bit of paranoia on my side. But 276 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,759 just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you. That's true, very 277 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:34,400 true. So well that basically it did me a favoring way I did. 278 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,279 Then I decided to build another model. This time I made it a bit 279 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:41,519 better and I got some down. By this time, I got some plywood 280 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:45,839 as well to make a more solid structure. I printed some drawings which I 281 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:51,799 put on. But then I also bought some LEDs, flashing LEDs and a 282 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:55,720 battery pack and I put those into it as well and made myself a more 283 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,039 realistic model. Now, I remember on the night when the craft materialized, 284 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:06,160 it looked like a diamond shape from the rear end, which I couldn't understand 285 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,559 because from I started researching on the internet and it just seemed like triangles were 286 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,440 quite common and they were all flat bottom. There were no diamond shaped triangles. 287 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:19,640 So with the model one night, I was just sitting in the chair 288 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:25,559 playing with them, and I tilted the nose down slightly so that it came 289 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:29,799 into view. And though in the old there was the shape of a diamond, 290 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,799 it was because the nose of the craft comes down slightly, so you 291 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,960 see part of the bottom and the rear end and just gives the impression of 292 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,039 being a diamond shape, when in fact it's just the nose that's popping down. 293 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:45,640 Now that made sense because there was obviously three red lights underneath the craft, 294 00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:49,960 because when we first came upon the lights, there was a small light 295 00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:53,599 that was slightly off to one side below the four big lights at the back. 296 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,279 I now realized that was the red light underneath the nose at the front. 297 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,119 So the craft, although the ear end was towards us, the nose 298 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,960 was still slightly further down, so we were seeing the underneath of the craft. 299 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:11,240 A slight bit of the underneath of the craft as well as the rear 300 00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:15,000 of the craft, which gave, like I say, the impression of a 301 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,960 diamond shape. As soon as the nose started to lift up, then obviously 302 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:22,000 the diamond shape disappeared and you just left with the triangle shape at the back 303 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,119 of the craft. Now, when I said, also I said earlier on 304 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,839 about the clouds forming on the wingtips. Now, when I was first looking 305 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,000 at the lights, the little red light that was underneath at the front of 306 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:38,079 the craft seemed to be covered in in a white mist. So the whole 307 00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:41,880 thing was really spook. It was like a doctor who sort of scene, 308 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,519 if you like. We've got four big red lights at the back, we've 309 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:48,519 got one red light underneath the four red lights. There's some white mingled in, 310 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:52,640 which must have been the big red big white light in the center of 311 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,960 the craft. And we've got missed as well, which condensation. It's not 312 00:22:56,039 --> 00:23:03,440 smoke, it's condensation. It's formed on the tips of the craft, which 313 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,400 indicates that the craft was cold and it materialized. I've got a theory on 314 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,079 that. And then the condensation obviously goes to the points of least resistance, 315 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:17,000 which is the three corners of the triangle, which is why I seeing a 316 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,680 cloud form near to the red light I was staring at the back, but 317 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:25,200 also the little red light underneath looked like it was covered in mist, and 318 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,200 again that would be the condensation on the nose at the front. So, 319 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:34,359 armed with the model, started talking to people. I went on television on 320 00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:41,000 Central Weekend Live and just started to get immerse myself into the UFO world. 321 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:48,799 And then what happened then was although I built a good model, the beams 322 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:52,519 weren't raised up off the surface, and it wasn't exact, and I really 323 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:56,240 wanted to get a more exact copy of what we've seen that night. We 324 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,359 ken a bit of obsessed, if you like. But a friend of mine 325 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,000 came around. We bought himself a three D printer and as a project, 326 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,160 he wanted to print my UFO, which is great, so he did that. 327 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,000 He made the triangle and he put some lights in it in the rear 328 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:15,799 underneath white light in the middle. It was quite quite a small size, 329 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:18,960 about a five You could hold it in your hand, but it was brilliant 330 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,519 and I couldn't thank him enough for making it for me. But it still 331 00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:27,920 wasn't one hundred percent because it was just all dark gray or black, so 332 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,160 the beams raised upon the surface were black when they really needed to be silver, 333 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:36,359 and the surface needed to be liquid that looked like it was alive. 334 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,039 So we chatted about it, and in the end I came up with the 335 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:45,440 idea that if I sold some of these little triangles on eBay and sold enough, 336 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,400 would he make me a larger version. And he agreed to do that. 337 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,440 So I started sad in all these triangles, all the profit I gave 338 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:57,559 to my friend John, John Mills he also made. He got quite excited, 339 00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,799 but he made a little flying saucer and a cigar as well, So 340 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:04,359 we started to sell with those on eBay and eventually we sold it North and 341 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:10,079 then John said about building me this larger model that I've got now the final 342 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,400 model. So this one we've got, the surface looks like it's alive, 343 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,759 it looks like liquid. It's a lovely paint job that's been done on it 344 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:22,799 costs quite a lot of money, but again John did it three a charge 345 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:26,279 for me. And we've got the silver beams on the surface, and we've 346 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:30,279 got a white central core that goes in between the top of the craft and 347 00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:37,160 the bottom of the craft, which I'll explain a little bit more about shortly. 348 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,559 So, armed with this model, I did say to John, if 349 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:47,440 he made me this perfect model, I was start going out and promoting it 350 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,839 a bit more. So. I went to a conference, the OL Conference. 351 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:56,720 Out of Limits magazine Chris Eberts was running that I did a presentation with 352 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:02,519 the model, which went down really well. At the end of the presentation, 353 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,680 Philip Kinseller the can Seller Twins and if you know of them, yeah, 354 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,400 I've interviewed both and also been a guest on the show as well. 355 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,160 So yeah, yeah, So Philip suggested to me that I write a book. 356 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,200 Now, other people had suggested that and I hadn't thought about it, 357 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,440 and I thought I'd wait until I retire, which is next year. But 358 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,839 I came back and I was quite excited, and I thought, yeah, 359 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,680 I'm going to start writing this book. So I did that. I started 360 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,079 it straight away as soon as I got back, and then I blitzed it 361 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,440 over a period of weeks. And I guess what had happened. Over the 362 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:42,279 years, I've been in touch with a lot of people, and a lot 363 00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:45,400 of people have told me their stories and I've kept them all, like kept 364 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,759 all the emails from over the years. So I started writing the book. 365 00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:53,720 I wanted to talk about my experience, so that's in the book, but 366 00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:57,880 it wasn't enough to fill a book, more like a magazine if you like. 367 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,519 So and Phillip suggested that I started putting some other people's sightings in there. 368 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:07,119 So I got together all the emails that people had sent me over the 369 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:14,240 years, and then I started asking people for the experiences on social media and 370 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,480 brought those all together to create the book. So the book's got one hundred 371 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:25,440 and thirty different sightings, the majority of them my close encounters, and no 372 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:32,799 two are exactly the same. So that's how I came around to writing the 373 00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:40,680 book. So that basically is the story of the nuts and bolts of the 374 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:48,319 last twenty four nearly twenty five years of researching to this phenomenon. Now, 375 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,160 just a few years ago, I decided to come out of the closet, 376 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,119 if you like, and talk about the highest strangeness that took that place that 377 00:27:56,319 --> 00:28:03,519 night. So let's go back to the thirty first of Maruts nineteen ninety nine, 378 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:07,880 at nine to fifty pm at the Foss Way. We drive up to 379 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,240 the lights and we stopped the car and we start staring at the lights, 380 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:19,079 and just like I said before, the sky started to ripple, the little 381 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,279 clouds appeared on the wingtips. This thing materialized and then the nose rose up 382 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:29,400 in the air like a submarine underwater. Now at this point, it was 383 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,960 like somebody had got pair of binoculars and put them in front of my eyes, 384 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,720 because all of a sudden I could see the surface really close up, 385 00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:40,519 and I could see the beams interlocking, how they came up out of the 386 00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:44,640 liquid and there were solid and there was silver, and they interlocked at ninety 387 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:51,079 degrees obviously manufactured, not organic as such. But then that was the first 388 00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:53,720 view. Then I've got another view, which was the nose right in front 389 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,880 of me. It was that closed that I couldn't see any of the beams 390 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,920 on the surface anymore. All I could see was the big nose, and 391 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,039 I remember thinking, wow, that is beautiful. What a piece of engineering 392 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:08,680 is most spherical piece of metal I've ever seen them in my life. And 393 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:14,319 then there was a third view, which was a side view, which showed 394 00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:18,160 a central white core that went around the craft, and the bottom of the 395 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,599 craft and the top of the craft joined onto this central white core and where 396 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,559 they joined onto it. It looked like a hobbycraft the way it sort of 397 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:32,319 rolled over onto the center. White material, but there were no nuts and 398 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,119 bolts, no rivets, no welding, and the way it had been put 399 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,400 together, it was just beautiful. It looked like it had sort of been 400 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:45,319 all glued together somehow. There were no signs of manufacturing technique, but it 401 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,920 was absolutely stunning to look at. And all of the craft itself looked like 402 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:49,839 it were brand new, like it just come out of the showroom. You 403 00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:52,799 don't mean there were no burn marks on it, but there were no windows, 404 00:29:52,839 --> 00:30:00,839 no apertures, no antenna's, nothing like that. It was so the 405 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,000 next day I'm thinking about it is that without the close viewing, I wouldn't 406 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,400 have been able to build such an accurate model. And I started off by 407 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,559 saying to my wife and mother in law and my daughter that I thought I've 408 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,640 had an out of body experience. That's the only way I can explain it. 409 00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:18,240 So I got so excited when the craft materialized and I wanted to be 410 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:22,880 on board that I got this close viewing, and I assumed it was an 411 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,640 outer body experience. So I started going down that route and getting books out 412 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,279 of the library and out of body experiences. I could never manage to do 413 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:37,559 it again. And then Greham Burstel and Russell Callahan used to put on some 414 00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:44,400 fantastic UFO conferences in Leeds and I used to go to those and I met 415 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:49,200 a lot of interesting people there, Stanton Freeman and Dr wager Lea bet Stephen 416 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:55,119 Greer there as well. Not so impressed with him, but anyway, more 417 00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:57,279 importantly, I met a guy called Bud Hopkins, the late Bud Hopkins, 418 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:06,119 And there after his presentation he was taking questions like he could cut up and 419 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,279 talk to him personally. So I queued up and got to him, and 420 00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:12,079 I told him about what took place for the triangle and told him about the 421 00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:15,519 outer body experience. Bud said to me, now, he says, that 422 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,839 wasn't an out of body experiences? Is they were images placed in your mind 423 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,240 by the aliens on board the craft. Last a bit weird. But before 424 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,640 he got a chance to explain anymore, this lady behind me sort of buttered 425 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,960 in and started talking about a crystal she'd found in the woods by UFO and 426 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,119 got Bob's attention, so I couldn't speak to him. That was the end 427 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:44,319 of the conversation unfortunately, So I went away thinking that's a bit odd, 428 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,839 you know, images placed in my mind, and I didn't really take it 429 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:52,799 on board. I still stuck with the outer body experience. But a few 430 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,759 years ago, probably about four years ago, five years ago, I did 431 00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:05,079 a presentation in Birmingham Birmingham UFO group Dave Holdren, and at that point I 432 00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:07,799 talked about because I was starting to talk about it. Now I've talked about 433 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:13,519 the close viewing and possible out of body experience, so it was now. 434 00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:15,480 Dave came up to me afterwards and said that he had a report and he 435 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:20,960 sent it to me of a guy who'd seen a UFO land. He was 436 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,119 leaning on the gate of a firefield and UFO was quite some distance away, 437 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,319 and these aliens gone out and he said, all of a sudden, one 438 00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,400 of these aliens faces was right in front of him, and he said it 439 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:38,759 was telepathically town across the distances. Now I thought, well, that's something 440 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:45,079 similar, but not quite the same as I've had. But as coincidences go, 441 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,559 within two weeks of that as an email out of the blue, and 442 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:52,400 I've put the email in the book from a guy in Connecticut in America, 443 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,960 and he's never told anybody else about his experience. But basically he started off 444 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,319 by saying he's had an experience with a triangle. And he said, just 445 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,480 like you, I had images placed in my mind by the aliens on board 446 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,880 the craft. And he went on to explain how he'd seen this triangle. 447 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,559 It came down really close and as he was staring at it all of a 448 00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:16,519 sudden, like me, he had three distinct close up views, two of 449 00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:21,400 the outside of the craft and one of them was the internals of the craft, 450 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:25,920 right, And he said that there were images placed in your mind. 451 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,400 Now, when I read that email, the penny dropped. It was like 452 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,559 a Ureka moment. I've been doing a lot of listening to David jacobs work 453 00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:42,960 with abductees and just general knowledge from across the years that people talk about telepathy 454 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,240 with aliens. Aliens don't tend to talk to you by moving the lips and 455 00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:52,480 speaking to you. It's all telepathic. But what David Jacob's abductees were saying 456 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:57,039 a lot of the time, images are placed in people's minds, and I 457 00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:04,400 thought, yes, that's what took place, and it makes sense now because 458 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,880 I'm a draftsmen, I've met all my life with geometry. It wasn't an 459 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,360 out body experience. It was aliens placing images in my mind. A picture 460 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,000 paints a thousand words, so it would make more sense to do that than 461 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:25,039 do a telepathic conversation as such. So it took me a while to sort 462 00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:28,880 of calm down from that, and I'm thinking, Wow, how amazing is 463 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,400 that? How lucky am I? I believe I've had telepathy with an alien? 464 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,559 Well, what also coinsides with this is that after the event, Now, 465 00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:45,280 the first forty years of my life, I had nothing, no cohost, 466 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,719 no powanormal, nothing at all. Now, all of a sudden, 467 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,000 after the encounter, the very next day, things start to get a bit 468 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:57,639 weird. We start having sort of problems at home with electrical equipment. Okay, 469 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,400 yeah, went on one of the computers and the clock started working in 470 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,800 a cooker that had never worked kettle boiled dry apparently. And my wife said 471 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:14,519 that that the TV went wrong when the receiver was blown on it, and 472 00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:20,440 somebody suggested that they followed his home and scanned the house to see what our 473 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,800 reaction was, and that scanning process perhaps interfered with the electrical equipment, but 474 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,880 more importantly, other things started to have paranormal things. And it was only 475 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,199 happening to me. It wasn't happening to the other three people in the car, 476 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,320 wasn't happening to my wife and mother in law and my daughter. But 477 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,840 I was starting to have quite a lot of weird things happened. So I 478 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,760 started writing down the dates and exactly what took place. And I'm glad I 479 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,960 did that because I've now put them all into the book and lasted for about 480 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,440 eighteen months. Some of them were quite minor, some of them were more 481 00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,760 major, and I'll tell you about one of them, Craig. And this 482 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,800 is why I've not talked about it for the first twenty years, because people 483 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,360 think think on nuts crazy. I mean, it's crazy enough having an experience 484 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,760 with the UFO, but then to say you're having all these other weird things 485 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,639 happen, but they did. I'm not making any of this up. I've 486 00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:22,079 got no reason to, because it's you have a detrimental to a person to 487 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:25,639 say they've seen a UFO. You don't gain anything from it, moneytary wise. 488 00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:30,039 It's just a personal sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm 489 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:37,079 down the river saw Rowthley in Leicestershire, and I fished there for many years. 490 00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:39,360 And I'm down there in the competition. There's only it's a club. 491 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,360 There's only a few of us down there, and I'm in a field on 492 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,800 my own, and I'm really enjoying this. I'm standing in the water in 493 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,000 my waders, trotting down catching roach and chub. Just beautiful. It's a 494 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,800 beautiful morning. It's just my way of relaxing. I was really in my 495 00:36:53,840 --> 00:37:00,440 element and I hear four footsteps coming across the field towards me. The there's 496 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,840 been farm workers down there shooting, so I think i'd better go back up 497 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,039 the bank. It's quite a steep bank down to the river, so go 498 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:10,199 back up the bank, make myself known in case of shooting in my direction. 499 00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:16,639 So I climbed up the bank and there's no one there but my astonishment. 500 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,880 The footsteps are continuing and then really loud, and there's four footsteps and 501 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,800 they're coming towards me. I start panicking at this point, and I'm thinking 502 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,239 it's a cat, big cat, It's going to come and eat me. 503 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,159 So I take a spi cat to my rod hold all that I use for 504 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,960 my umbrella, and I think, what am I going to do? And 505 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,159 I thought, well, I know cats can swim, so I can't swim 506 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:38,840 across the island to get away from it. It might swim after me if 507 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,599 it's hungry. So I thought, if it is a cat, I'm going 508 00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:45,679 to go back down the bank of the river and get it to jump on 509 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,800 me and then pale it on its own weight on this spike. That was 510 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,480 my game plan. And I stood there and I worked all that out in 511 00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:54,440 the split second. And I stood there, shaking, holding this spike as 512 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,920 this thing walked towards me. But the thing was, there was nothing there. 513 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,960 It was just a noise ryle in front of me, could have been 514 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,559 no more than six feet away, and it went from left to right and 515 00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:07,199 as it went past, I've got a bit a bit brave, and I 516 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,800 started shouting. I put the spik on my arm and clapped my hands, 517 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,800 and then I sat hitting the grass with the spike that I've got. But 518 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,960 there was nothing, nothing there at all. And for the noise it was 519 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,280 making, it must have been quite a heavy, heavy creature or whatever it 520 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,440 was. And I stood there and I thought, that's not here. The 521 00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:32,320 sounds here, but whatever's making the sound is not actually here. It's like 522 00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:37,760 one of these space time contingencies. It's somewhere else, you know what I 523 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,800 mean, like like something from the past or from the future or whatever. 524 00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:45,679 And I stood there. When I realized that, I calmed down. You 525 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,199 know, whenever you have experiences, we see something you don't immediately jump to 526 00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:55,079 it's a UFO, it's a ghost. You try and make logical, normal, 527 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,800 everyday sense out of it. But once it had gone past, and 528 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:05,119 I realized that what had just took place was something in another dimension. Like 529 00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:07,559 I said, I calmed down. I thought much prefer to have that that 530 00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:12,760 a wild cat coming after me. So it's interrupt So do you think it 531 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:19,000 was possibly some sort of time slip or well, what I was going to 532 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,079 say was at that point on that day, greg I decided that the uFocus 533 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,320 had nothing prior to the UFO. The UFO was responsible for everything that's now 534 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:34,400 occurring, which could only lead to one one assumption. It's dimensional. This 535 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,760 thing has not come from another planet. If this had come from Mars, 536 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,000 I would have seen it and it would have gone and that would be the 537 00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:44,559 end of it. Same as like if somebody was on the moon and they've 538 00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:46,880 seen an apollo land there and disappear. You wouldn't expect them to go on 539 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,119 to have other experiences because it's nuts and bolts experience. So all these other 540 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:59,199 things that were coming through I realized were dimensional. And the reason why I 541 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,280 was experiencing these and not the rest of my family was because of the Night 542 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,679 of the UFO. They used telepathy on me to show me close up images 543 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,159 of the craft. Even though the craft was in front of me, they 544 00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:15,239 showed me close up details, so I believe in doing that they unlock part 545 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,679 of my brain, which then allowed these other things to come through. So 546 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,199 now I was starting to think, these other things must be here all the 547 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,880 time, but nobody's aware of them because your brain's not picking up on it. 548 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,800 Yeah, for eighteen months I was allowed to pick up on these things, 549 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:36,840 but it's sort of dwindled over the years. But that led me to 550 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,800 believe one hundred percent that that craft was dimensional. Absolutely. Yeah. I 551 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:47,400 mean some people believe that when you have paranormal experiences it's because you're tuned into 552 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,039 that sort of frequency. Isn't it that that's there all the time. But 553 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:58,239 some people are more susceptible to be able to tune into it and steel what's 554 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,199 there rather than some people who can't. So perhaps this telepathy then as you, 555 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,920 as you're alluding to, had sort of orpened your mind up to these 556 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,719 different frequencies that are all around us. That's right, Yes, And also 557 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,159 I did really want somebody put the They tend to pick on people who were 558 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:20,880 telepathic anyway because it makes their job easier to be able to sort of communicate 559 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,000 with them. Yeah, and that that would sort of sort of make sense, 560 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:30,000 wouldn't that. Yeah? Absolutely, so yeah, Yeah. The strange 561 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,239 thing was, and once I started writing the book, I asked people if 562 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:40,320 they'd had any other experiences apart from the encounter with the triangle. Now more 563 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,559 people were saying yes than no. All these other people are saying that all 564 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:51,039 these experiences have had with ghosts and things. But what is interesting, well, 565 00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:53,239 I realized is that all of the people, all of them who were 566 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:59,119 in the book, have had paranormal experiences as well as UFO experiences. Start 567 00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:04,239 off with paranormal experiences, often through childhood. When they're young, they have 568 00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:07,039 what other people think we imagine every friends, but they would see, you 569 00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:10,800 know, real people real ghosts, and they go on to have these things 570 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:16,000 throughout the life and it culminates in a close encounter with the UFO. Now 571 00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:20,679 in my case it's the other way around. As far as I can remember, 572 00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:23,480 I had nothing from the year of zero to forty. Then we have 573 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,480 the UFO, then I have all the experiences afterwards. So mine's sort of 574 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,480 like been slightly backwards to the way other people have come across these craft. 575 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,840 Yeah, so what sorry, I was. I was just going tosk, 576 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:42,159 what what all the paranormal experiences have you had then? Since since this incident? 577 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:51,239 I was. We went to play darts in them in Burbage in a 578 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,800 pub called The Anchor on a Thursday night, so we sat out the back 579 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,400 having the pint because it was a lovely evening before we went into play the 580 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,800 game. And we're sitting there and all I said, oh, no, 581 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:04,559 the bird's pooled on my head, and I fact, it's splat on top 582 00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:06,840 of my head. So put my hand up and there was absolutely nothing, 583 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,599 not even any water, rain drops, nothing, and the sky was completely 584 00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:15,840 clear. I thought, that's that's weird. It's like some sort of muscle 585 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,880 twitch or something along those lines. I've never experienced that before. But I 586 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,000 did say to everybody, you know, a bird's pooled on my head. 587 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,599 But like I say, there was nothing there. That's Thursday. Now on 588 00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:30,440 Saturday, I'm heavily involved in may give me model. That's all I can 589 00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:35,119 do is concentrate on making the model. So we've got quite a large house 590 00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:38,440 at the time and sheds out the back that I was using my workshop to 591 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:44,760 make this model. And I'm down there, spend a lot of time filing 592 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,280 the corners, the three corners, trying to make sure they're all perfectly around. 593 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,400 For some reason, I was obsessed with this. So I come ba 594 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,199 out of the shed to walk up to the house and there you go again. 595 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,559 Another bird pooed on my head. Splat, right on top of my 596 00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,199 head. Put my hand up, absolutely nothing. Look in the sky, 597 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,239 a clear blue sky, not a cloud, not a rain drop, no 598 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,840 nothing, war in the house, made a cup of tea, come out 599 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,920 again and again splat and that was it. Three splats, one on the 600 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,480 Thursday, two on the Saturday, right on the very top of the crowd 601 00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:21,199 of her head. So the first one you could dismiss is being I don't 602 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,400 know, I don't know what he dismissed it. I don't know if there's 603 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:29,599 any sort of nerves or up on the top of your head. Another one 604 00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:34,920 was I've been to UFO conference in Leeds, the ones that I talked about 605 00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:38,519 the UFO magazine used to put on. And I've come back home, wife 606 00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:43,519 and daughter obviously in bed as sleep. I'll come up the stairs and normally 607 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,239 I look sour about the bedroom window to see if I can see anything before 608 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:52,280 I go to bed. But this particular night, looking at the front window 609 00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:58,079 over the part the house overlooked Holycroft Park, there's this big orange ball of 610 00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:01,440 light and it's inside really low cloud. The clayer of level that night was 611 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:06,559 that low that everything was dripping wet. The trees were dripping water because they 612 00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:12,000 get so moist because the dampness and nearly humidity. So the clouds were really 613 00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:15,320 low, and there's this bright orange ball of light inside one of these clouds, 614 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,119 and it's shining to the edge of the cloud. But it's like a 615 00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:23,239 pencil, it doesn't spray out. It's not omnidirectional light. It's like a 616 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:28,119 laser beam light and this comes to the edge of the cloud and I thought, 617 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,360 wow, look at that because I've been seeing other stars moving and whatever. 618 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,280 You I bought a camcorder to try and record these things. So I 619 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,480 went to the bedroom and grabbed the camcorder. As soon as I picked it 620 00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:43,079 up, I thought, I know what's going to happen. It's going to 621 00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:46,480 disappear. So I went back to the window. Sure enough, it gone 622 00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:52,039 just like that. And there was another one that I seen and turned through 623 00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:53,679 ninety degrees when I was standing on the patio, but this one was quite 624 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,039 high up. I thought it was a satellite at first, but then it 625 00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,400 stopped and turned through ninety degrees. I got the cam on a side by 626 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:05,000 the time I bought the camera up and it disappeared, and I thought to 627 00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:09,559 myself, you're losing the plot here. You're going crazy. That's quite classic 628 00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:16,239 behavior, though, isn't it sort of turning, you know, very sharply 629 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:22,039 from one direction to another. Yeah. Yes, but it was very very 630 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:24,119 slow and it did. It was about the speed of a satellite, but 631 00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:29,599 it just went through through ninety degrees. I've seen a lot of a lot 632 00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:31,719 of lights in the sky during the pier that I kept going out watching. 633 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,440 Well, I would say to people, if you have an experience. If 634 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:42,199 you don't have and a close encounter, do not try to record it. 635 00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:45,159 It's going to disappear. So the first thing to do is to enjoy the 636 00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:49,320 moment, look at it, taking as much detail as you can. If 637 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,639 you then decide you want to try and record it, once you've had a 638 00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:53,320 good look at it, then get your phone out. But I think it 639 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,599 will go. If it doesn't go, you do get a picture, nobody 640 00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,440 will believe you, and quite often people who do take close up pictures all 641 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:09,400 distorted anyway. Yeah, so enjoy the moment. Yeah. I've seen something 642 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:15,920 very similar, which is which is what started my interest in all of this, 643 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:20,320 or rekindled my interest in all of this quite a few years ago, 644 00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:23,559 where I saw an object that was doing things in the sky that no man 645 00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:28,280 made objects, in my opinion, will be able to do because of the 646 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,760 way that it was behaving. So, but I don't think at any point 647 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,719 when I was watching it, I actually thought I'm going to get my phone 648 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,599 out and recorded, and I had my phone with me, but I was 649 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,880 just that taken back by what I was saying. I can't think of anything 650 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,760 else. Yeah, yeah, I mean, people say to me, didn't 651 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,400 you record it, Well, what you think of getting your phone out? 652 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,079 Well back in them days nineteen ninety nine, I'm not sure if we had 653 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,440 a camera on my phone or not. Probably not, no, but I 654 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,440 wouldn't have thought of it anyway. I would have just stopped and just looked 655 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,639 at it. It was just it was like meeting God. It was incredible. 656 00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:05,760 Even though I'm not religious, it was absolutely mind blowing. So in 657 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,639 all of your research, can I ask then? I mean, obviously you 658 00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:12,400 know people need to quite and buy your book. I mean, it sounds 659 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,480 it sounds like an amazing experience that that that you hadn't and obviously there was 660 00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:21,920 there was things that continued after that that are really difficult to explain. Have 661 00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:30,239 you ever come across any sort of cases where they've been There's been a lot 662 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:36,559 of cases in one area where they've been concentrated in one area. The reason 663 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,639 that I ask is that I did a little bit of research myself into an 664 00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:45,559 area up here in the northwest around more Cambay, and there have been a 665 00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:49,199 lot of reports of triangular UFOs in that area, and they do seems to 666 00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:52,639 be quite concentrated. So I'm just wondering whether you've come across any other areas 667 00:48:52,000 --> 00:49:00,840 where there's been similar concentrations over the years, not particularly apart from locally. 668 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:07,519 But then that's probably because I've spoke to a lot of local people and I've 669 00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:13,079 done quite a few articles in the local newspaper, Hinckley Times, and i 670 00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:16,480 also had articles in the Western Mercury, and I've invited people to get in 671 00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:22,800 touch if they've seen anything so around Hinckley. Well, I live just on 672 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,559 the outskirts named in Bawe and in a little village around Hinkley. I mean 673 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:34,960 I gathered ten fifteen sightings from local people. So I've said this before. 674 00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,960 Actually, you might think that Hinckley is now a hotspot for triangles because of 675 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,760 all the cases that I've pulled together. I reckon if you put a comments 676 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,880 on into every town around the country and get that research done, you'd probably 677 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,119 find that there's people in every town that I've seen triangles. I think they're 678 00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:54,679 just everywhere, and I think people don't report it. There's nowhere to report 679 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,280 it too, there no authority for this anymore. What do you do if 680 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,880 you see a UFO? I think most people keep it to themselves. Around 681 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:10,079 Hinckley. I mean there's a guy in here. He saw a triangle in 682 00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:15,679 a village called Shamford, which, as the crow flies, well from where 683 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:20,400 we saw our triangle, it's six miles a very close distance, and I 684 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,280 think it was a week apart, just seven days apart. He saw his 685 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:30,159 a week before we saw ours. But the one he saw was the size 686 00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:37,400 of a football pitch and it was just above field heights, just level with 687 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,320 the hedge. So he's driving to work at three o'clock in the morning. 688 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,800 He's a lorry drive on. He said, him up to Magna Park, 689 00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:47,800 so it comes out of Shamford and he says he comes up to Bumblebee Lane. 690 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,920 When he gets to bumble b Lane, there is this huge triangle. 691 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,920 He says, it's massive, like the size of a football pitch, and 692 00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:00,639 it's by the side of the road. It's by the hedge, just level 693 00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:04,559 with the hedge. And he said it is just hanging like a picture on 694 00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:07,800 the wall. It's not moving a millimeter and it's totally silent. He stopped 695 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,280 his car and got out. He looked at it and then he started to 696 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,239 get a bit panicky. That's when you could see it wasn't moving a millimeter 697 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,719 to anything. At all, not even the thousands of an inch thing was 698 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,800 just hanging there. So then he got back in his car, drove off 699 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,519 and he said he could see it in the rear view mirror all the time. 700 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,239 Now that was just a week before her sighting, which seems like a 701 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,159 bit of a coincidence, isn't it. Well, it is when you consider 702 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,920 that you said you saw what you thought was possibly a mother craft, although 703 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,119 it was some distance away. I mean you initially described that it was about 704 00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:46,719 the size of a football field so or a football pitch. So it sort 705 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:52,360 of ties in, doesn't it it. Yeah, yeah, craft, So 706 00:51:52,159 --> 00:52:00,280 that's the question. Yeah, the book's got loads of an interesting store always 707 00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:04,760 so, and there's a lot of details to be taken from the from the 708 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,599 book as well. So I've made some some lists of things that are commonalities 709 00:52:09,639 --> 00:52:15,400 between people talk about, you know, for instance, like most people believe 710 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,840 that these triangles of craft are black or dark gray. I mean, I 711 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,320 have to say, I don't believe the TR three B is responsible for one 712 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:28,559 hundred and thirty different sightings in the UK, and that's only the ones that 713 00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:31,480 I've collated. It must be thousands of sightings, I mean worldwide. There 714 00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:35,320 must be hundreds of thousands of sightings. They can't all be the same craft 715 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,280 going around really fast. But what I've learned from reading the book the colors 716 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:45,199 of the triangles. They're gray, black, orange, silver, gold, 717 00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:49,960 white, blue, dark brown, and green. They are all different colored 718 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,679 triangles that appear in the book. Right. The lights on the triangles, 719 00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,639 Normally they're red and white, but people have also seen green, blue, 720 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,920 yellow, orange, bronze, purple, and pinkish orangine. Often people do 721 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:07,840 report a white being coming out the central light of the triangle. Now, 722 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:13,239 the interesting thing about the noise, we didn't hear any noise whatsoever over the 723 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,719 noise of the car engine. The engine never stopped, didn't have any interference. 724 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:21,239 But throughout the book people talk about a dull hum or, low humming 725 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:28,079 noise like an electricity transformer buzzing or droning. And somebody said they're sucking like 726 00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:32,800 a vacuum cleaner. Okay, sizes they go from quite small, you know, 727 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,280 just a few feet across to the side of a football pitch. I 728 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,599 mean, there's all manner of sizes of triangles. It makes much sense, 729 00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:46,360 does it really? Description fridge and pipes and girders that crops up to light 730 00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:50,480 a lot. You know, they've got pipework like what you see on the 731 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,440 back of a fridge. I've got a theory on that which we can come 732 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,880 back to. Some people said they felt pressure when the crafters come close to 733 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,280 them. Cloak. People are seeing cloak and d cloak. I have a 734 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:07,079 guy just up the road there were Hilton. He had a triangle come over 735 00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:09,000 him when he was in the garden and it was half cloak, and he 736 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,239 said he looked like he thought, that's not a very good cloaking system. 737 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,760 I can see half the craft and half of it's invisible. In fact, 738 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,320 I invited him around and the guy from Sharmford who's seen the football pitch one 739 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,119 o the side of the road and went. The three of us sat there 740 00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:25,639 and had a conversation about triangles. It's great to talk to people who know 741 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:32,400 people who have seen. Also, people say shimmering and it looks like tinfoil, 742 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,679 rippling, black tar and missing time comes into a few times as well, 743 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,360 and a few other people have said that they look like they were alive, 744 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,320 even though they are actually artificial the manufacturer, but they look organic, 745 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:50,840 which is how you describe your site, and isn't that that's right? Yeah, 746 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,760 so maybe it's some sort of really advanced futuristic AI technology where the craft 747 00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,440 is thinking itself. I don't know, but I tend to think there were 748 00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:05,400 beings on board the craft. But it's such a complex subject. We don't 749 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,000 really know, do we can? I can I just go back to something 750 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,239 you mentioned a couple of seconds ago. Sorry to interrupt again, you mentioned 751 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,320 TR three B. I'm not familiar with with what that is. Oh right, 752 00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:21,400 it's allegedly a well they call it an atomic powered triangle that's built by 753 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:27,320 the US military, so it's a secret black project. But there's never any 754 00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:30,679 convincing pictures of it, there's any sketches and talk about it. So would 755 00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:34,440 that be sort of like a stealth bomber then that that type of thing. 756 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:42,119 It doesn't look like the stealth bomber they left one one seven night Hawk. 757 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:49,440 It looks more like a very futuristic triangle shape craft. No no engines as 758 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,760 such. Yeah, if you look on if you look on Google, you'll 759 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,960 see TR three B. And every time I put stuff up about triangles, 760 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,639 there's always somebod us. There's alway it's a TR three B that's one of 761 00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:05,800 ours. I mean, Americans are very what's the word I'm looking for that, 762 00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:14,320 very patriotic when it comes to their manufacturing these secret craft. But if 763 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:19,960 you remember, like the Stealth Fire and the Stealth Bomber one one seven Night 764 00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:23,239 Walk and the B two Spirit, if you google them, you'll find the 765 00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:30,119 only manufacturers about one hundred or not much more than that of each one, 766 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,119 and they're all exactly the same. Even between the Fire and the Bomber. 767 00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:37,719 There's not a lot of difference in the shape. And the reason for that 768 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,880 is that when you'll start flying these craft, they need to be serviced. 769 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,000 You need to have spare parts, and you need an engineering team to be 770 00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:47,679 able to keep these things aloft. So you keep them all the same. 771 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,280 You don't keep changing the shape from one to another, Otherwise it becomes really 772 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:58,079 difficult trying to maintain your fleet. So all of these different shaped triangles around 773 00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:08,760 the world cannot be coming from America. So you mentioned about pipes. Now 774 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,199 this is interesting. This is a theory I've come up with. Somebody sent 775 00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:19,880 me a video a guy called boz More or something. He's on YouTube. 776 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,519 He just elects you on quantum levitation where he takes a piece of metal, 777 00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:30,079 freezes it down to zero degrees Calvin, and then it becomes a superconductor. 778 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,320 And then you can suspend it in mid air over a magnetic field. We 779 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,760 can get to follow a rail and if you're going to sit there, it 780 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:43,000 just sits there. It doesn't move a middlemeter, even one thousands for an 781 00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:45,760 inch. It just sits there like a picture on the wall. But the 782 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,440 thing I noticed about it was there was a lot of condensation on the metal 783 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,199 because it's so cold. So then I came up with this theory that the 784 00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:59,920 craft that we saw now the liquid on the surface probably trapped underneath the transparent 785 00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:04,519 skin, could be something like liquid nitrogen. The beams on the surface that 786 00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:09,360 are interlocking on the craft, if you imagine they protrude down through the surface 787 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:15,639 into the liquid itself. Then all of the beams become superconductors. They're all 788 00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:21,320 called to zero degrees Calvin. That way, the whole craft then becomes one 789 00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,960 big superconductor and you get quantum levitation. But also when the crafts materialized, 790 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,079 remember I said that it got these fluffy white clouds on the wingtips. That 791 00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:34,440 would be because the craft itself is so cold, and when it's coming into 792 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:42,800 our atmosphere, that's a natural occurrence. So when we see craft with pipework, 793 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,800 Now, I've got a picture of one in the book. This one's 794 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:52,119 got like the fridge pipes and all over it. It's a picture that was 795 00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:57,480 given to me by Michael Schwack in America. So I believe these pipes down 796 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:07,199 the surface contain liquid argid or something along those lines. So again you've got 797 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:13,079 quantum levitation, but in a slightly different way. So you cover a craft 798 00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:15,719 in part work like the back of a fridge, they will become superconductors. 799 00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:21,960 And again you've got this quantum levitation where you don't need a traditional power source 800 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,239 to power the craft. You don't need engines blasting at the back of it. 801 00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:31,840 It's just using magnetic fields to propel itself along. And that would explain 802 00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:37,840 the lack of noise, yes, and it could also explain this feeling of 803 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:45,800 pressure that people talk about. That's right, yes, interesting, very interesting. 804 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:51,719 That. Yeah, that's just my theory. But I've got I'm going 805 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:52,800 to read you a little passage from the book, if that's all right, 806 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,320 Yeah, that's absolutely fine, And then we can we can tell people where 807 00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:04,360 to find the book and so on. So this is from a guy called 808 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,320 Charles b. It's not his real name, and he's some sort of protection 809 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,519 offices. He has to be a bit careful, but he was out with 810 01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:15,400 his daughter and they've seen a triangle. I think he's seen a few over 811 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:22,320 the time. But he was in North Yorkshire and he says I discussed these 812 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,760 things with my daughter. We decided to look for the light and tried to 813 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:29,440 get closer. We saw it one night, moving over the Moden area of 814 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,920 the town. My ex partner tried to say it was venus, but Venus 815 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:37,079 was also clearly visible and the object was also clearly visible. My ex's daughter, 816 01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:40,119 who was seven at the time, became hysterical and said it was aliens. 817 01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:45,239 We pursued the object, which was very bright, but as we followed 818 01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:46,920 slowly in the car into North Yorkshire, it seemed to be getting lower. 819 01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:52,039 We both reasoned it was maybe a helicopter, but there were no strokes and 820 01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:55,480 no noise. Somewhere between please Be and Manfield, we lost sight of it 821 01:00:55,519 --> 01:01:00,320 as it got too low. We looked for the object but decided to give 822 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,159 up and turn them back home. As we drove back along age sixty seven. 823 01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:07,519 I said, let's look down by the river at low Conniscliff. With 824 01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:10,199 hindsight, I think they told me it was there after driving down the track 825 01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:15,599 to the river. It was probably about three hundred feet above the ground it 826 01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:20,039 was used. The triangle was at least one thousand feet across. The lights 827 01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:22,320 at the apises were dim yellow orange, and there was a dimmer orange light 828 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,760 in the body towards the back. I got out of the car and stood 829 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,639 staring at the triangle. There was total silence. I could no longer hear 830 01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:35,079 any traffic from the nearby a one m motorway. The body was black and 831 01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:37,159 it blocked out the stars, but I could see stars around it, and 832 01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:42,559 also nearby farmhouse on a hill of the south of the river. It also 833 01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:45,400 seemed to block out the breeze. I don't know whether I got closer to 834 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:50,360 it or it to me, but it seemed right underneath it. But I 835 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,199 seemed right underneath it. I could see black channels that's in the oder side 836 01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:57,800 of it, which you would have now made me think they're a docking mechanism. 837 01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:00,960 I can't explain how I've never told anyone until now but it seemed to 838 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:05,079 be just a few feet above me. It seemed to be made of a 839 01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:08,360 slate or graphite material, very dark gray and a smooth map texture. I 840 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:13,719 could feel the presence in my body and the dental implant was vibrating in my 841 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,199 mouth. I could see the channels covered the inder side of the craft. 842 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:21,280 They're probably six feet across and have a similar depth. I raised my hand 843 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,280 and touched part of the craft's body between the channels. I was terrified and 844 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,400 even thought it could harm me, but I did it anyway. I brushed 845 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,519 my fingers over it and then put my entire palm on it. It felt 846 01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:35,480 like a hard kitchen workedop with a matt finish, but it was not cold. 847 01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:37,039 The next thing I remember is my daughter shouted me to give them back 848 01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:40,440 in the car. She hadn't wanted to get out. And that was the 849 01:02:40,519 --> 01:02:45,800 end of his encounter. So the amazing thing they liked, the pressure that 850 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,559 he was feeling, the size of the craft, the fact the craft could 851 01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:53,880 maneuver down that close to him that he could touch it without actually causing them 852 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,719 any damage. And the only thing is about this sing is when it goes 853 01:02:58,719 --> 01:03:02,280 against my theory of the being super cold and super conductive, because if he's 854 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,719 put his hand on it, if it had been that cold, it would 855 01:03:05,719 --> 01:03:09,239 have frozen his hand off. Yeah, of course it wasn't. That's very 856 01:03:09,239 --> 01:03:15,840 interesting. So yeah, So the book is called Triangular UFOs of the United 857 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:20,679 Kingdom. Whereabouts can we can we get it? Where can we buy it 858 01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:24,840 from? We can get it from Amazon, most available as the paperback, 859 01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:30,360 hardback, the kindle, and there's also an audio version there as well. 860 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:36,840 So Trianglet UFOs of the United Kingdoms. Plenty of pictures in there as well, 861 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,679 the pictures of the models that I've made. Like I said, there's 862 01:03:38,679 --> 01:03:43,920 one hundred and thirty different close encounters that you can go through. It is 863 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,679 quite fascinating and I wish I've got a book like this back in nineteen ninety 864 01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:51,400 nine when we had our experience. Yeah, people maybe feel a lot better 865 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,199 about it. I'm going to say it would have made you feel a bit 866 01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:59,199 more able to sort of open up about what happened. If people want to 867 01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:02,880 get in contact with Perhaps there's people out there that would that have had experiences 868 01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:08,400 that perhaps no feelder can they can talk to you about them? Do you 869 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:13,280 have any contact details? Yeah? They can either contact me through Facebook Messenger, 870 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,880 but if they're not using Facebook, you might want to email me, 871 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,760 so I'll give you my email address. Okay, it's a tech thirteen. 872 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:28,400 That's Poper Echo Charlie Kilo one three at hotmail dot co dot uk. Okay, 873 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,960 excellent. So yeah, so if there is anybody out there that has 874 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,119 any any sightings or any experiences that they want to share with you, then 875 01:04:34,159 --> 01:04:41,320 they can just just drop you a line. It's been fascinating talking to Colin 876 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,239 about this. It's it's a subject that I haven't covered before, although I 877 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,880 have, As I said, I've had a passing interest in it because of 878 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:54,440 the research that I've found out about the more convey areas. So it would 879 01:04:54,480 --> 01:05:01,079 seem that these crafts are quite clearly more prevalent than you than I imagined initially. 880 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,679 And it's just it's been a fantastic discussion with it and a really interesting 881 01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:13,039 experience that you had all those years ago. Yeah, it just still stairs 882 01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:15,199 with you to this day. Yeah, it's mind blowing. It's been nearly 883 01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:18,760 twenty five years now, and it's true, so I've been obsessed with it 884 01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:23,599 all that time. I did try to leave it for a while but that 885 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,639 didn't work or got back to it again. I mean, you have an 886 01:05:26,639 --> 01:05:30,519 experience like this, you can't really forget about it. Although I think about 887 01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:32,519 a lot of people who have experiences who then just try and try and hide 888 01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:35,320 it and forget about it because I can't cope with it. Yeah, But 889 01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,360 on the opposite, I just want to tell everybody about it, and if 890 01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:44,239 there's anybody who listened to this who's suffered psychologically with it, I mean, 891 01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:47,039 get in touch and we'll have a chat so I know exactly what you've been 892 01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:49,440 through and what you're going through. It's not something you could talk to your 893 01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:54,880 normal person about down the pub. You've got to be carefully you talk to 894 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:59,039 us. You could end up getting yourself into a worse situation. That's very 895 01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:02,280 true. I just encourage everybody to go out and buy books. It sounds 896 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,000 sounds like a great read. Thank you very much for coming on. As 897 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:11,159 I said, I've really enjoyed the chat that we've had, and hopefully we'll 898 01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:13,920 speak again soon. Yeah, I've enjoyed it. It's been great, Quig, 899 01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,440 thank you very much for having me on your podcast. Thanks a lot, 900 01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:20,800 problem Thank you. You can visit my website at www dot Craig Bryant 901 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:27,280 dot co dot uk. Paranormal Pendle will return and remember to keep watching the 902 01:06:27,320 --> 01:07:15,599 shadows. They the