You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio
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coming to you from the heart of Pendle Witch Country in the northwest of England.
My name is Craig Bryant, author, investigator and collector of stories.
Join me as we take a journey into the paranoral UFO sitings, cryptozoology and
big casts. This is the Paranoral Pendal Podcast. So welcome to episode forty
three of Paranormal Pendal, broadcast into the Paranormal UK network at PAUK radio dot
com. My guest on this episode is author Colin Saunders, who's written a
book called The Triangling UFOs of the United Kingdom. So yeah, Colin,
very pleased to have you on the podcast. Welcome, Thank you Craig,
and thank you for inviting onto your podcast. I'm looking forward to it.
Our problem. Can we of start off by telling us a little bit about
yourself? Then? Yes, yes, I feel that's important when it comes
to the sighting due to the career that I've had. So first I need
to say that I was never into UFOs. I wasn't looking for UFO on
the night of the encounter. It wasn't something that really took my imagination.
I'd been to see Star Wars when I was when that first came out in
the eighties, but I will looking for UFOs was in no UFO groups or
anything along those lines. Now my working career I started off and I still
I'm actually a draftsman. I'm an electrical design draftsman by discipline, and I
spent a couple of years accompanying Inkley doing the machine tool control, in a
couple of years doing printed circuit board design, and then more importantly, at
the young age of only twenty one, I went to work on the airbus
in Germany in Hamburg on the Airbus eight three hundred A three ten y early
air buses. I spent a year working in the fuselage as a draftsman,
drawing up the cabling, etc. From Germany, I went over to New
Zealand for eighteen months from a girlfriend, where I worked in refrigeration with control
systems there for carcass freezers and cool stores. Back from New Zealand we came
back and I spent a year working in Aberdeen working for Chevron Petroleum, so
that was interesting. Then that involved a lot of flying and helicopters. I
only went out to the platforms a couple of times, but it was a
great experience, a lot of a lot of flying there in helicopter, flying
different types of helicopters, so that was quite an experience. After the contracting
Aberdeen, I moved on to Sweden where I worked for Sabera Space. I
spent two years working in Sweden. I spent one year working in the cockpit
and the second year working on the wings and the engines and the horizontal and
vertical stabilizers. So again that was a great insight into aviation, especially as
the manufacturing plant was on the airfield where they build the fier planes as well,
Like they used to build the Big and then the Vegan and then the
Gripp and they would be taken off all day long, like you know,
right next to my window where I'm sitting joying. It was just quite exciting
place to be. So I'm trying to portray here the amount of aviation involvement
I've had before the sighting. I came back from Sweden for the birth of
my daughter actually, and then I got a job at Courtals in Coventry.
One of their companies called Antiqua that make design flaws. Just at that point
you made a transition from drawing board to computer aided design. And whilst working
at Courtals, I became Auto CAD User of the Year in nineteen ninety two
for a project we did there with the automation of design flaws. Unfortunately,
my daughter, when she was about sort of seven years old, caught chicken
pox. Obviously, I've never had chicken pox before, and I caught it
off her and I was really ill and needed to say it turned into post
viable fatigue syndrome. It was that bad. I actually lost my job and
I had to start again. I became self employed. It took over a
year to get myself into a state where I could work again. It took
quite a few years to get rid of the post viol fatigue. They used
to called it em E in them days, the upid disease. Yeah,
So that sort of set me into doing my own business. So I set
my business up doing embroidery designs and I'm still doing that today. So baby,
it's called digitization. So somebody will sent me a picture, say like
Mickey Mouse, and then I will turn it into stitches and send that back
to the embroidery company. So I spent my whole life drawing, drawing boards
computer raided design. That's all I've ever done since I left school and I'm
now sixty five, so I have to say it was a great way of
making a living. It's been absolutely fantastic. So I started my business from
home and started to expand a little bit. I've got another two designers and
another girl working in an embroidery machine. For me had a small, single
head embroider machine, so there were four of us working in the dining room,
so it was getting a bit cozy. It was just getting to the
point where we're looking at moving out. But this was perfect because this is
the time I had my sighting, and because I've got the staff at home,
I could concentrate on the site and the next day rather than having to
work as such, because it was such a paradigm shift in my way of
thinking that it took me a long time to calm down after what took place.
So basically that's a quick resume of my working career, and hopefully that'll
give you an insight into why I think the sighting that we had. Why
I took so much information in so much detail and produced drawings and eventually scale
models of the craft that we saw that night. Okay, so John,
want to go into the story then of what happened. Yes, it was
the thirty first of March nineteen ninety nine. Now, my mother in law
it was her birthday that day, she was seventy two years old, and
we went out with my brother in law. He got his he had a
French partner and her grandparents were over visiting. So there were two cars.
My wife was driving in the first car Ford Fiesta. My mother in law
were sitting in the passenger seat next to my wife, and in the back
on the near side was myself and my daughter. In the second vehicle was
my brother in law, his girlfriend and the two old French couple. We
went to the White Lion in Pelton, that's in Warwickshire, close to the
Leicestershire Warwickshire border. Pelton is a tiny village. It's that small that the
pub's closed now unfortunately and gone. So we went to the White Line.
We had a meal. Nothing of any particular interest took place whilst we were
doing that, and then we come to leave. Now, I remember my
brother in look. I looked out the back of the window of the Fiesta
that my wife was driving. I've seen my brother in law struggling to get
the old lady back into the range rover because she was a bit fragile and
there's quite a high step to get into the range rover. So we decided
to pull off first, assuming that they would catch us up on the way
back. So off we go, the four of us through the country lanes
and it is absolutely pitch black. There's no street lights whatsoever. Then we
go through the first lane and we come up to the Foss Way. Foss
Way is an old Roman road and it joins the Watland Street, another Roman
road, at a point called high Cross, which is only just five or
six miles from where we're turning from the village of Pelton. So we come
up to the Foss Way, and I think it was my wife said,
oh, we're turning onto the Foss now, and my daughter said she was
twelve at the time. She said, oh, there's been talk of headless
horseman down here. So we all aft and said, oh, we'll keep
our eyes open for him. Then as soon as we turned onto the Foss
Way again. There's no street lights down the Foss Way. It's all total
pitch black. We turned onto the Foss Way and there in front of us,
exactly half a mile away, are some lights flashing away by the side
of the road, really low down and there's mainly red lights with a bit
of white mingled in, and they were so bright they're unbelievable. We were
straight away we're talking about them, and we're saying, you know, there's
too many lights for an airplane, too many lights or helicopters of the lights
for anything really, and we wouldn't expect any craft to be that low.
Also, we'd just come down the road, you know, sort of like
an hour previously. There was no roadworks, there's no lights, there's no
nothing down the Foss never has been in all the years we've gone up and
down there. So we knew it was strange what we were seeing. So
we drove up to the lights, talking about them, get all excited,
and we stopped the car right next to the lights. Now there were just
lights at this point. There was no craft at the back. What turned
out to be the craft at the back with these four big red lights circular
red lights, and they were not parallel to the earth. They were tilted
at an angle of about thirty degrees, i'd say, And I could see
a smaller red light off to one side, and white mingled in with all
of these lights. So and I would estimate them as being one hundred feet
away from the car. Now I've steered my friends now about down the Ashpay
Canal, which is seventy foot long, and I've took that through bridges,
etc. So when I say one hundred feet, I mean one hundred feet.
I could have hit it with a cricket ball. And as I'm staring
at the lights, the big red lights, I concentrate on one of the
lights, the one that's highest on the tilt, and I could see like
a crisscross effect on the light. It looked like a traffic lens, traffic
light lens, you know, the red traffic light with a crisscross effect.
I could see that the effect was coming from the light that was being emitted
something along the lines of Newton's law with ring interference. It was not etched
into the light itself. It was like it was definitely a crisscross pattern,
but you could see it as being formed by the light being emit from these
big four big red we call them lights at the back of the craft,
and I'm thinking to myself, what on earth is going on here? This
is just incredible. At that point, the sky looked like it was starting
to ripple. You could see a slight movement around all of the lights.
At that point, I thought to himself, Oh my word, there's an
actual craft. There's something around the lights. It's not just lights suspended that
attached to something. As soon as I had that thought, the craft d
cloaked. It was just like Star Trek, you know when the kling On
spaceship d cloaks, and there it is a solid craft. That's what happened
to us. As I stayed at the light, the craft just materialized.
It was so quick. Once it materialized, it was gray metallic. The
bottom two ring tips nearest to us developed little fluffy white clouds on the corners,
so condensation, and I think all three points of the craft at this
point had got condensation on these fluffy white clouds. It was difficult to know
what I was looking at at that time. But then once it became solid,
the rear end of the craft stayed where it was, but the nose
floated up in the air, and it floated up like a submarine underwater.
Was the way it moved was so peculiar. It wasn't like a Harrier jump
jet would be moving. It floated up, It glided up like it was
in a tank of water. The way it moved was incredible. So has
it tilted up now? It tilted from the back of the craft. If
it tilted from the middle, I swear it would have hit the ground,
it was that close. So the rear end stayed where it was and the
nose floated up like a stallion rearing up in front of you. So what
that revealed to was then was the top surface of the craft, not the
bottom, but the top. So the top of the craft it looked like
it was alive. Honestly, Craig, this thing looked like it was all
it was moving. The surface was like a lake of liquid mercury that was
flowing up and down. And on top of this liquid with silver beams that
were interlocking like an old fashioned maize in the English country garden. And these
beams were quite thick, and they came all over the surface. And as
soon as it lifted up into there and revealed itself. Like I say,
it looked like it was alive, like it was organic. The first thought
that came to me was, my God, aliens do exist. The second
one was abductions must take place. And my third thought was, this explains
mysteries from history where things have been like pyramids and such, because I've got
the feeling all of a suddenly, these creatures that were there in front of
this craft had been around for a long long time. I don't know why
I thought that, but it obviously made sense. So we're all shouting excited,
like let's get out, let's get out. I wanted to Me and
my mother in law were so exciting, we wanted to get on board.
We would have got on board, forgot the chance. Now, my wife,
being sensible, she decided to pull forward and reverse into a gateway,
which would have put us more or less right underneath this craft. But the
problem was actually pulled forward, there was a big hedge and it blocked the
view. And I thought to myself, if it's going to go, it's
going to go. Now. She reversed into the gate where we jumped out.
Sure enough, it had gone, but there in the distance going away
was this craft the size of a football pitch. The one we've been looking
at close to us was probably the size of a house. But when we
got out and we stood there and it was total silence. They called it
the odds was effect of no cars, no airplanes, no nothing, absolutely
pitch black and silent. And there's this craft going away heading I would say,
towards Birmingham Way, quite low altitude, and it was massive, like
a football pitch. But it got four big red lights on the back of
it, the same as the small craft that we'd seen next to the car.
And also at the end of each wingtip of this huge craft going away
was a white light which lit up the surface and it wasn't strobing, It
just lit up the top surface of the craft. You could just see it
reflecting off the top and I imagine from underneath you wouldn't see anything at all.
And it just sort of floated away from us, and we were saying,
you know, look at that, the size of that. It's changed
from a small craft to a big craft. Because we didn't know anything about
UFOs. I mean, after doing a bit of research, I assume now
that was like a mother ship that the small one probably went back to so
we watched a large one just sort of disappear, and then we got back
in the car checked the time. It was nine point fifty. We don't
know exactly what time we left the pub, but it was a rare on
that time, so we didn't think there was any missing time. Now,
we got in the car and drove home, took the mother in law back
now and my brother in law had brought the house next door to my mother
in law, so he lives next door to his mum. And when we
got back there, lo and behold, there's the range Rover. Not only
that, it's empt they're run inside the house having a cup of tea.
So somewhere along the line they passed us, but they didn't see us,
they didn't see the craft, and they got back home obviously sometime before we
got back. So that was all a bit a bit strange. So they
didn't say anything at all. No, no, And I can't see how
they would have not seen anything, because this thing was lit up like a
Christmas tree, and they were on the same road as you and going in
the same direction. Every Yeah. In fact, he said he was driving
fast in the range Rover to try and catch us up, right, it
just never did catch us up because the only possibility is he just went past
when we was in the gateway. But we've got the hazard flashes on and
the craft has only just left. So if he did pass us in the
gateway, why didn't he see the craft at the same time, because he
would not have missed it, you know, And it was half a mile
away from the junction. So that was the start of this of the experience.
And we say, so, what I've talked about there is the nuts
and bolts. Want to call about the nuts and bolts of the experience,
But there is more to it, and I'll come back to that in a
while. There's some high strangeness, but the way I like to sort of
narrate the story is to talk about what happened next in terms of the nuts
and bolts. So we got home the next day, I mean, it
was all excited to phoning people. In fact, it was a first of
April. The next day April Fall's day. That's made my job a little
bit more difficult to try to say people about what we've seen. So I
phoned up friends in the ufone magazine. Well, I found a friend of
mine and he put me in touch with the UFO magazine. They put me
in touch with the guy called Omar Fowler. We became great friends over the
years, and Omar sent me some information on Triangle the craft that he had
been collecting, and inside there there was a drawing from a guy in Belgium
we were in the nineteen eighties, had seen a triangle come over his head
and he'd done a sketch of the underneath of it. Now, what caught
my attention was that the underneath of this this triangle has got beams coming out
of it that were interlocking, the same as on the top surface of the
craft that we'd seen. So straight away I thought that the Belgium sighting must
have been the same craft or similar series of craft that we'd seen. So,
having drawn it and I do it in auto cadeta in coll draw,
I then decided to start making models and I used the Belgium sighting for the
bottom of the craft, and I used our own sighting of the rear in
the top to produce the rest of the craft. So there's no guarantee the
bottom of the craft had beams on it. I don't know, because We've
never seen it, but I'm just assuming that it did have. But it
may well just been a smooth bottom. We won't really know. But basically
these models, as I started making, I included the Belgium siting on the
bottom because it seemed quite logical to me to do that. So I made
my first model, I got some dowling, I printed some nice rains of
the cold drawer and I glew those onto the dowling, which was quite quite
interesting. But then what happened. Working from home doing the embroidery, we
started to sell shirts as well as doing designs. So I bought myself a
little van, a little Astra Max van for delivering boxes of T shirts around
the town. Now that was part of my driveway, and the model was
in the van near the passenger seat. Somebody broke into it that night and
stole my cassette player, which wasn't worth anything at all, to be honest,
in them days. It was all starting to get into CDs. But
also the model disappeared. When I took the van to my friend, who
I bought it from, a motor trader, he said it had been,
in his opinion, professionally broken into the way they had gone into it,
and he couldn't understand why somebody with those skills would break into a car of
that value. There was that point. It was a couple of weeks later
when I was looking for the model and I couldn't find it, I realized
that it was stolen, along with the accept plagasse. I knew it was
in the van. It never did turn up. So somebody did steal that
first craft. Whether they knew what they were doing or not, I don't
know. That's probably just a little bit of paranoia on my side. But
just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you. That's true, very
true. So well that basically it did me a favoring way I did.
Then I decided to build another model. This time I made it a bit
better and I got some down. By this time, I got some plywood
as well to make a more solid structure. I printed some drawings which I
put on. But then I also bought some LEDs, flashing LEDs and a
battery pack and I put those into it as well and made myself a more
realistic model. Now, I remember on the night when the craft materialized,
it looked like a diamond shape from the rear end, which I couldn't understand
because from I started researching on the internet and it just seemed like triangles were
quite common and they were all flat bottom. There were no diamond shaped triangles.
So with the model one night, I was just sitting in the chair
playing with them, and I tilted the nose down slightly so that it came
into view. And though in the old there was the shape of a diamond,
it was because the nose of the craft comes down slightly, so you
see part of the bottom and the rear end and just gives the impression of
being a diamond shape, when in fact it's just the nose that's popping down.
Now that made sense because there was obviously three red lights underneath the craft,
because when we first came upon the lights, there was a small light
that was slightly off to one side below the four big lights at the back.
I now realized that was the red light underneath the nose at the front.
So the craft, although the ear end was towards us, the nose
was still slightly further down, so we were seeing the underneath of the craft.
A slight bit of the underneath of the craft as well as the rear
of the craft, which gave, like I say, the impression of a
diamond shape. As soon as the nose started to lift up, then obviously
the diamond shape disappeared and you just left with the triangle shape at the back
of the craft. Now, when I said, also I said earlier on
about the clouds forming on the wingtips. Now, when I was first looking
at the lights, the little red light that was underneath at the front of
the craft seemed to be covered in in a white mist. So the whole
thing was really spook. It was like a doctor who sort of scene,
if you like. We've got four big red lights at the back, we've
got one red light underneath the four red lights. There's some white mingled in,
which must have been the big red big white light in the center of
the craft. And we've got missed as well, which condensation. It's not
smoke, it's condensation. It's formed on the tips of the craft, which
indicates that the craft was cold and it materialized. I've got a theory on
that. And then the condensation obviously goes to the points of least resistance,
which is the three corners of the triangle, which is why I seeing a
cloud form near to the red light I was staring at the back, but
also the little red light underneath looked like it was covered in mist, and
again that would be the condensation on the nose at the front. So,
armed with the model, started talking to people. I went on television on
Central Weekend Live and just started to get immerse myself into the UFO world.
And then what happened then was although I built a good model, the beams
weren't raised up off the surface, and it wasn't exact, and I really
wanted to get a more exact copy of what we've seen that night. We
ken a bit of obsessed, if you like. But a friend of mine
came around. We bought himself a three D printer and as a project,
he wanted to print my UFO, which is great, so he did that.
He made the triangle and he put some lights in it in the rear
underneath white light in the middle. It was quite quite a small size,
about a five You could hold it in your hand, but it was brilliant
and I couldn't thank him enough for making it for me. But it still
wasn't one hundred percent because it was just all dark gray or black, so
the beams raised upon the surface were black when they really needed to be silver,
and the surface needed to be liquid that looked like it was alive.
So we chatted about it, and in the end I came up with the
idea that if I sold some of these little triangles on eBay and sold enough,
would he make me a larger version. And he agreed to do that.
So I started sad in all these triangles, all the profit I gave
to my friend John, John Mills he also made. He got quite excited,
but he made a little flying saucer and a cigar as well, So
we started to sell with those on eBay and eventually we sold it North and
then John said about building me this larger model that I've got now the final
model. So this one we've got, the surface looks like it's alive,
it looks like liquid. It's a lovely paint job that's been done on it
costs quite a lot of money, but again John did it three a charge
for me. And we've got the silver beams on the surface, and we've
got a white central core that goes in between the top of the craft and
the bottom of the craft, which I'll explain a little bit more about shortly.
So, armed with this model, I did say to John, if
he made me this perfect model, I was start going out and promoting it
a bit more. So. I went to a conference, the OL Conference.
Out of Limits magazine Chris Eberts was running that I did a presentation with
the model, which went down really well. At the end of the presentation,
Philip Kinseller the can Seller Twins and if you know of them, yeah,
I've interviewed both and also been a guest on the show as well.
So yeah, yeah, So Philip suggested to me that I write a book.
Now, other people had suggested that and I hadn't thought about it,
and I thought I'd wait until I retire, which is next year. But
I came back and I was quite excited, and I thought, yeah,
I'm going to start writing this book. So I did that. I started
it straight away as soon as I got back, and then I blitzed it
over a period of weeks. And I guess what had happened. Over the
years, I've been in touch with a lot of people, and a lot
of people have told me their stories and I've kept them all, like kept
all the emails from over the years. So I started writing the book.
I wanted to talk about my experience, so that's in the book, but
it wasn't enough to fill a book, more like a magazine if you like.
So and Phillip suggested that I started putting some other people's sightings in there.
So I got together all the emails that people had sent me over the
years, and then I started asking people for the experiences on social media and
brought those all together to create the book. So the book's got one hundred
and thirty different sightings, the majority of them my close encounters, and no
two are exactly the same. So that's how I came around to writing the
book. So that basically is the story of the nuts and bolts of the
last twenty four nearly twenty five years of researching to this phenomenon. Now,
just a few years ago, I decided to come out of the closet,
if you like, and talk about the highest strangeness that took that place that
night. So let's go back to the thirty first of Maruts nineteen ninety nine,
at nine to fifty pm at the Foss Way. We drive up to
the lights and we stopped the car and we start staring at the lights,
and just like I said before, the sky started to ripple, the little
clouds appeared on the wingtips. This thing materialized and then the nose rose up
in the air like a submarine underwater. Now at this point, it was
like somebody had got pair of binoculars and put them in front of my eyes,
because all of a sudden I could see the surface really close up,
and I could see the beams interlocking, how they came up out of the
liquid and there were solid and there was silver, and they interlocked at ninety
degrees obviously manufactured, not organic as such. But then that was the first
view. Then I've got another view, which was the nose right in front
of me. It was that closed that I couldn't see any of the beams
on the surface anymore. All I could see was the big nose, and
I remember thinking, wow, that is beautiful. What a piece of engineering
is most spherical piece of metal I've ever seen them in my life. And
then there was a third view, which was a side view, which showed
a central white core that went around the craft, and the bottom of the
craft and the top of the craft joined onto this central white core and where
they joined onto it. It looked like a hobbycraft the way it sort of
rolled over onto the center. White material, but there were no nuts and
bolts, no rivets, no welding, and the way it had been put
together, it was just beautiful. It looked like it had sort of been
all glued together somehow. There were no signs of manufacturing technique, but it
was absolutely stunning to look at. And all of the craft itself looked like
it were brand new, like it just come out of the showroom. You
don't mean there were no burn marks on it, but there were no windows,
no apertures, no antenna's, nothing like that. It was so the
next day I'm thinking about it is that without the close viewing, I wouldn't
have been able to build such an accurate model. And I started off by
saying to my wife and mother in law and my daughter that I thought I've
had an out of body experience. That's the only way I can explain it.
So I got so excited when the craft materialized and I wanted to be
on board that I got this close viewing, and I assumed it was an
outer body experience. So I started going down that route and getting books out
of the library and out of body experiences. I could never manage to do
it again. And then Greham Burstel and Russell Callahan used to put on some
fantastic UFO conferences in Leeds and I used to go to those and I met
a lot of interesting people there, Stanton Freeman and Dr wager Lea bet Stephen
Greer there as well. Not so impressed with him, but anyway, more
importantly, I met a guy called Bud Hopkins, the late Bud Hopkins,
And there after his presentation he was taking questions like he could cut up and
talk to him personally. So I queued up and got to him, and
I told him about what took place for the triangle and told him about the
outer body experience. Bud said to me, now, he says, that
wasn't an out of body experiences? Is they were images placed in your mind
by the aliens on board the craft. Last a bit weird. But before
he got a chance to explain anymore, this lady behind me sort of buttered
in and started talking about a crystal she'd found in the woods by UFO and
got Bob's attention, so I couldn't speak to him. That was the end
of the conversation unfortunately, So I went away thinking that's a bit odd,
you know, images placed in my mind, and I didn't really take it
on board. I still stuck with the outer body experience. But a few
years ago, probably about four years ago, five years ago, I did
a presentation in Birmingham Birmingham UFO group Dave Holdren, and at that point I
talked about because I was starting to talk about it. Now I've talked about
the close viewing and possible out of body experience, so it was now.
Dave came up to me afterwards and said that he had a report and he
sent it to me of a guy who'd seen a UFO land. He was
leaning on the gate of a firefield and UFO was quite some distance away,
and these aliens gone out and he said, all of a sudden, one
of these aliens faces was right in front of him, and he said it
was telepathically town across the distances. Now I thought, well, that's something
similar, but not quite the same as I've had. But as coincidences go,
within two weeks of that as an email out of the blue, and
I've put the email in the book from a guy in Connecticut in America,
and he's never told anybody else about his experience. But basically he started off
by saying he's had an experience with a triangle. And he said, just
like you, I had images placed in my mind by the aliens on board
the craft. And he went on to explain how he'd seen this triangle.
It came down really close and as he was staring at it all of a
sudden, like me, he had three distinct close up views, two of
the outside of the craft and one of them was the internals of the craft,
right, And he said that there were images placed in your mind.
Now, when I read that email, the penny dropped. It was like
a Ureka moment. I've been doing a lot of listening to David jacobs work
with abductees and just general knowledge from across the years that people talk about telepathy
with aliens. Aliens don't tend to talk to you by moving the lips and
speaking to you. It's all telepathic. But what David Jacob's abductees were saying
a lot of the time, images are placed in people's minds, and I
thought, yes, that's what took place, and it makes sense now because
I'm a draftsmen, I've met all my life with geometry. It wasn't an
out body experience. It was aliens placing images in my mind. A picture
paints a thousand words, so it would make more sense to do that than
do a telepathic conversation as such. So it took me a while to sort
of calm down from that, and I'm thinking, Wow, how amazing is
that? How lucky am I? I believe I've had telepathy with an alien?
Well, what also coinsides with this is that after the event, Now,
the first forty years of my life, I had nothing, no cohost,
no powanormal, nothing at all. Now, all of a sudden,
after the encounter, the very next day, things start to get a bit
weird. We start having sort of problems at home with electrical equipment. Okay,
yeah, went on one of the computers and the clock started working in
a cooker that had never worked kettle boiled dry apparently. And my wife said
that that the TV went wrong when the receiver was blown on it, and
somebody suggested that they followed his home and scanned the house to see what our
reaction was, and that scanning process perhaps interfered with the electrical equipment, but
more importantly, other things started to have paranormal things. And it was only
happening to me. It wasn't happening to the other three people in the car,
wasn't happening to my wife and mother in law and my daughter. But
I was starting to have quite a lot of weird things happened. So I
started writing down the dates and exactly what took place. And I'm glad I
did that because I've now put them all into the book and lasted for about
eighteen months. Some of them were quite minor, some of them were more
major, and I'll tell you about one of them, Craig. And this
is why I've not talked about it for the first twenty years, because people
think think on nuts crazy. I mean, it's crazy enough having an experience
with the UFO, but then to say you're having all these other weird things
happen, but they did. I'm not making any of this up. I've
got no reason to, because it's you have a detrimental to a person to
say they've seen a UFO. You don't gain anything from it, moneytary wise.
It's just a personal sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm
down the river saw Rowthley in Leicestershire, and I fished there for many years.
And I'm down there in the competition. There's only it's a club.
There's only a few of us down there, and I'm in a field on
my own, and I'm really enjoying this. I'm standing in the water in
my waders, trotting down catching roach and chub. Just beautiful. It's a
beautiful morning. It's just my way of relaxing. I was really in my
element and I hear four footsteps coming across the field towards me. The there's
been farm workers down there shooting, so I think i'd better go back up
the bank. It's quite a steep bank down to the river, so go
back up the bank, make myself known in case of shooting in my direction.
So I climbed up the bank and there's no one there but my astonishment.
The footsteps are continuing and then really loud, and there's four footsteps and
they're coming towards me. I start panicking at this point, and I'm thinking
it's a cat, big cat, It's going to come and eat me.
So I take a spi cat to my rod hold all that I use for
my umbrella, and I think, what am I going to do? And
I thought, well, I know cats can swim, so I can't swim
across the island to get away from it. It might swim after me if
it's hungry. So I thought, if it is a cat, I'm going
to go back down the bank of the river and get it to jump on
me and then pale it on its own weight on this spike. That was
my game plan. And I stood there and I worked all that out in
the split second. And I stood there, shaking, holding this spike as
this thing walked towards me. But the thing was, there was nothing there.
It was just a noise ryle in front of me, could have been
no more than six feet away, and it went from left to right and
as it went past, I've got a bit a bit brave, and I
started shouting. I put the spik on my arm and clapped my hands,
and then I sat hitting the grass with the spike that I've got. But
there was nothing, nothing there at all. And for the noise it was
making, it must have been quite a heavy, heavy creature or whatever it
was. And I stood there and I thought, that's not here. The
sounds here, but whatever's making the sound is not actually here. It's like
one of these space time contingencies. It's somewhere else, you know what I
mean, like like something from the past or from the future or whatever.
And I stood there. When I realized that, I calmed down. You
know, whenever you have experiences, we see something you don't immediately jump to
it's a UFO, it's a ghost. You try and make logical, normal,
everyday sense out of it. But once it had gone past, and
I realized that what had just took place was something in another dimension. Like
I said, I calmed down. I thought much prefer to have that that
a wild cat coming after me. So it's interrupt So do you think it
was possibly some sort of time slip or well, what I was going to
say was at that point on that day, greg I decided that the uFocus
had nothing prior to the UFO. The UFO was responsible for everything that's now
occurring, which could only lead to one one assumption. It's dimensional. This
thing has not come from another planet. If this had come from Mars,
I would have seen it and it would have gone and that would be the
end of it. Same as like if somebody was on the moon and they've
seen an apollo land there and disappear. You wouldn't expect them to go on
to have other experiences because it's nuts and bolts experience. So all these other
things that were coming through I realized were dimensional. And the reason why I
was experiencing these and not the rest of my family was because of the Night
of the UFO. They used telepathy on me to show me close up images
of the craft. Even though the craft was in front of me, they
showed me close up details, so I believe in doing that they unlock part
of my brain, which then allowed these other things to come through. So
now I was starting to think, these other things must be here all the
time, but nobody's aware of them because your brain's not picking up on it.
Yeah, for eighteen months I was allowed to pick up on these things,
but it's sort of dwindled over the years. But that led me to
believe one hundred percent that that craft was dimensional. Absolutely. Yeah. I
mean some people believe that when you have paranormal experiences it's because you're tuned into
that sort of frequency. Isn't it that that's there all the time. But
some people are more susceptible to be able to tune into it and steel what's
there rather than some people who can't. So perhaps this telepathy then as you,
as you're alluding to, had sort of orpened your mind up to these
different frequencies that are all around us. That's right, Yes, And also
I did really want somebody put the They tend to pick on people who were
telepathic anyway because it makes their job easier to be able to sort of communicate
with them. Yeah, and that that would sort of sort of make sense,
wouldn't that. Yeah? Absolutely, so yeah, Yeah. The strange
thing was, and once I started writing the book, I asked people if
they'd had any other experiences apart from the encounter with the triangle. Now more
people were saying yes than no. All these other people are saying that all
these experiences have had with ghosts and things. But what is interesting, well,
I realized is that all of the people, all of them who were
in the book, have had paranormal experiences as well as UFO experiences. Start
off with paranormal experiences, often through childhood. When they're young, they have
what other people think we imagine every friends, but they would see, you
know, real people real ghosts, and they go on to have these things
throughout the life and it culminates in a close encounter with the UFO. Now
in my case it's the other way around. As far as I can remember,
I had nothing from the year of zero to forty. Then we have
the UFO, then I have all the experiences afterwards. So mine's sort of
like been slightly backwards to the way other people have come across these craft.
Yeah, so what sorry, I was. I was just going tosk,
what what all the paranormal experiences have you had then? Since since this incident?
I was. We went to play darts in them in Burbage in a
pub called The Anchor on a Thursday night, so we sat out the back
having the pint because it was a lovely evening before we went into play the
game. And we're sitting there and all I said, oh, no,
the bird's pooled on my head, and I fact, it's splat on top
of my head. So put my hand up and there was absolutely nothing,
not even any water, rain drops, nothing, and the sky was completely
clear. I thought, that's that's weird. It's like some sort of muscle
twitch or something along those lines. I've never experienced that before. But I
did say to everybody, you know, a bird's pooled on my head.
But like I say, there was nothing there. That's Thursday. Now on
Saturday, I'm heavily involved in may give me model. That's all I can
do is concentrate on making the model. So we've got quite a large house
at the time and sheds out the back that I was using my workshop to
make this model. And I'm down there, spend a lot of time filing
the corners, the three corners, trying to make sure they're all perfectly around.
For some reason, I was obsessed with this. So I come ba
out of the shed to walk up to the house and there you go again.
Another bird pooed on my head. Splat, right on top of my
head. Put my hand up, absolutely nothing. Look in the sky,
a clear blue sky, not a cloud, not a rain drop, no
nothing, war in the house, made a cup of tea, come out
again and again splat and that was it. Three splats, one on the
Thursday, two on the Saturday, right on the very top of the crowd
of her head. So the first one you could dismiss is being I don't
know, I don't know what he dismissed it. I don't know if there's
any sort of nerves or up on the top of your head. Another one
was I've been to UFO conference in Leeds, the ones that I talked about
the UFO magazine used to put on. And I've come back home, wife
and daughter obviously in bed as sleep. I'll come up the stairs and normally
I look sour about the bedroom window to see if I can see anything before
I go to bed. But this particular night, looking at the front window
over the part the house overlooked Holycroft Park, there's this big orange ball of
light and it's inside really low cloud. The clayer of level that night was
that low that everything was dripping wet. The trees were dripping water because they
get so moist because the dampness and nearly humidity. So the clouds were really
low, and there's this bright orange ball of light inside one of these clouds,
and it's shining to the edge of the cloud. But it's like a
pencil, it doesn't spray out. It's not omnidirectional light. It's like a
laser beam light and this comes to the edge of the cloud and I thought,
wow, look at that because I've been seeing other stars moving and whatever.
You I bought a camcorder to try and record these things. So I
went to the bedroom and grabbed the camcorder. As soon as I picked it
up, I thought, I know what's going to happen. It's going to
disappear. So I went back to the window. Sure enough, it gone
just like that. And there was another one that I seen and turned through
ninety degrees when I was standing on the patio, but this one was quite
high up. I thought it was a satellite at first, but then it
stopped and turned through ninety degrees. I got the cam on a side by
the time I bought the camera up and it disappeared, and I thought to
myself, you're losing the plot here. You're going crazy. That's quite classic
behavior, though, isn't it sort of turning, you know, very sharply
from one direction to another. Yeah. Yes, but it was very very
slow and it did. It was about the speed of a satellite, but
it just went through through ninety degrees. I've seen a lot of a lot
of lights in the sky during the pier that I kept going out watching.
Well, I would say to people, if you have an experience. If
you don't have and a close encounter, do not try to record it.
It's going to disappear. So the first thing to do is to enjoy the
moment, look at it, taking as much detail as you can. If
you then decide you want to try and record it, once you've had a
good look at it, then get your phone out. But I think it
will go. If it doesn't go, you do get a picture, nobody
will believe you, and quite often people who do take close up pictures all
distorted anyway. Yeah, so enjoy the moment. Yeah. I've seen something
very similar, which is which is what started my interest in all of this,
or rekindled my interest in all of this quite a few years ago,
where I saw an object that was doing things in the sky that no man
made objects, in my opinion, will be able to do because of the
way that it was behaving. So, but I don't think at any point
when I was watching it, I actually thought I'm going to get my phone
out and recorded, and I had my phone with me, but I was
just that taken back by what I was saying. I can't think of anything
else. Yeah, yeah, I mean, people say to me, didn't
you record it, Well, what you think of getting your phone out?
Well back in them days nineteen ninety nine, I'm not sure if we had
a camera on my phone or not. Probably not, no, but I
wouldn't have thought of it anyway. I would have just stopped and just looked
at it. It was just it was like meeting God. It was incredible.
Even though I'm not religious, it was absolutely mind blowing. So in
all of your research, can I ask then? I mean, obviously you
know people need to quite and buy your book. I mean, it sounds
it sounds like an amazing experience that that that you hadn't and obviously there was
there was things that continued after that that are really difficult to explain. Have
you ever come across any sort of cases where they've been There's been a lot
of cases in one area where they've been concentrated in one area. The reason
that I ask is that I did a little bit of research myself into an
area up here in the northwest around more Cambay, and there have been a
lot of reports of triangular UFOs in that area, and they do seems to
be quite concentrated. So I'm just wondering whether you've come across any other areas
where there's been similar concentrations over the years, not particularly apart from locally.
But then that's probably because I've spoke to a lot of local people and I've
done quite a few articles in the local newspaper, Hinckley Times, and i
also had articles in the Western Mercury, and I've invited people to get in
touch if they've seen anything so around Hinckley. Well, I live just on
the outskirts named in Bawe and in a little village around Hinkley. I mean
I gathered ten fifteen sightings from local people. So I've said this before.
Actually, you might think that Hinckley is now a hotspot for triangles because of
all the cases that I've pulled together. I reckon if you put a comments
on into every town around the country and get that research done, you'd probably
find that there's people in every town that I've seen triangles. I think they're
just everywhere, and I think people don't report it. There's nowhere to report
it too, there no authority for this anymore. What do you do if
you see a UFO? I think most people keep it to themselves. Around
Hinckley. I mean there's a guy in here. He saw a triangle in
a village called Shamford, which, as the crow flies, well from where
we saw our triangle, it's six miles a very close distance, and I
think it was a week apart, just seven days apart. He saw his
a week before we saw ours. But the one he saw was the size
of a football pitch and it was just above field heights, just level with
the hedge. So he's driving to work at three o'clock in the morning.
He's a lorry drive on. He said, him up to Magna Park,
so it comes out of Shamford and he says he comes up to Bumblebee Lane.
When he gets to bumble b Lane, there is this huge triangle.
He says, it's massive, like the size of a football pitch, and
it's by the side of the road. It's by the hedge, just level
with the hedge. And he said it is just hanging like a picture on
the wall. It's not moving a millimeter and it's totally silent. He stopped
his car and got out. He looked at it and then he started to
get a bit panicky. That's when you could see it wasn't moving a millimeter
to anything. At all, not even the thousands of an inch thing was
just hanging there. So then he got back in his car, drove off
and he said he could see it in the rear view mirror all the time.
Now that was just a week before her sighting, which seems like a
bit of a coincidence, isn't it. Well, it is when you consider
that you said you saw what you thought was possibly a mother craft, although
it was some distance away. I mean you initially described that it was about
the size of a football field so or a football pitch. So it sort
of ties in, doesn't it it. Yeah, yeah, craft, So
that's the question. Yeah, the book's got loads of an interesting store always
so, and there's a lot of details to be taken from the from the
book as well. So I've made some some lists of things that are commonalities
between people talk about, you know, for instance, like most people believe
that these triangles of craft are black or dark gray. I mean, I
have to say, I don't believe the TR three B is responsible for one
hundred and thirty different sightings in the UK, and that's only the ones that
I've collated. It must be thousands of sightings, I mean worldwide. There
must be hundreds of thousands of sightings. They can't all be the same craft
going around really fast. But what I've learned from reading the book the colors
of the triangles. They're gray, black, orange, silver, gold,
white, blue, dark brown, and green. They are all different colored
triangles that appear in the book. Right. The lights on the triangles,
Normally they're red and white, but people have also seen green, blue,
yellow, orange, bronze, purple, and pinkish orangine. Often people do
report a white being coming out the central light of the triangle. Now,
the interesting thing about the noise, we didn't hear any noise whatsoever over the
noise of the car engine. The engine never stopped, didn't have any interference.
But throughout the book people talk about a dull hum or, low humming
noise like an electricity transformer buzzing or droning. And somebody said they're sucking like
a vacuum cleaner. Okay, sizes they go from quite small, you know,
just a few feet across to the side of a football pitch. I
mean, there's all manner of sizes of triangles. It makes much sense,
does it really? Description fridge and pipes and girders that crops up to light
a lot. You know, they've got pipework like what you see on the
back of a fridge. I've got a theory on that which we can come
back to. Some people said they felt pressure when the crafters come close to
them. Cloak. People are seeing cloak and d cloak. I have a
guy just up the road there were Hilton. He had a triangle come over
him when he was in the garden and it was half cloak, and he
said he looked like he thought, that's not a very good cloaking system.
I can see half the craft and half of it's invisible. In fact,
I invited him around and the guy from Sharmford who's seen the football pitch one
o the side of the road and went. The three of us sat there
and had a conversation about triangles. It's great to talk to people who know
people who have seen. Also, people say shimmering and it looks like tinfoil,
rippling, black tar and missing time comes into a few times as well,
and a few other people have said that they look like they were alive,
even though they are actually artificial the manufacturer, but they look organic,
which is how you describe your site, and isn't that that's right? Yeah,
so maybe it's some sort of really advanced futuristic AI technology where the craft
is thinking itself. I don't know, but I tend to think there were
beings on board the craft. But it's such a complex subject. We don't
really know, do we can? I can I just go back to something
you mentioned a couple of seconds ago. Sorry to interrupt again, you mentioned
TR three B. I'm not familiar with with what that is. Oh right,
it's allegedly a well they call it an atomic powered triangle that's built by
the US military, so it's a secret black project. But there's never any
convincing pictures of it, there's any sketches and talk about it. So would
that be sort of like a stealth bomber then that that type of thing.
It doesn't look like the stealth bomber they left one one seven night Hawk.
It looks more like a very futuristic triangle shape craft. No no engines as
such. Yeah, if you look on if you look on Google, you'll
see TR three B. And every time I put stuff up about triangles,
there's always somebod us. There's alway it's a TR three B that's one of
ours. I mean, Americans are very what's the word I'm looking for that,
very patriotic when it comes to their manufacturing these secret craft. But if
you remember, like the Stealth Fire and the Stealth Bomber one one seven Night
Walk and the B two Spirit, if you google them, you'll find the
only manufacturers about one hundred or not much more than that of each one,
and they're all exactly the same. Even between the Fire and the Bomber.
There's not a lot of difference in the shape. And the reason for that
is that when you'll start flying these craft, they need to be serviced.
You need to have spare parts, and you need an engineering team to be
able to keep these things aloft. So you keep them all the same.
You don't keep changing the shape from one to another, Otherwise it becomes really
difficult trying to maintain your fleet. So all of these different shaped triangles around
the world cannot be coming from America. So you mentioned about pipes. Now
this is interesting. This is a theory I've come up with. Somebody sent
me a video a guy called boz More or something. He's on YouTube.
He just elects you on quantum levitation where he takes a piece of metal,
freezes it down to zero degrees Calvin, and then it becomes a superconductor.
And then you can suspend it in mid air over a magnetic field. We
can get to follow a rail and if you're going to sit there, it
just sits there. It doesn't move a middlemeter, even one thousands for an
inch. It just sits there like a picture on the wall. But the
thing I noticed about it was there was a lot of condensation on the metal
because it's so cold. So then I came up with this theory that the
craft that we saw now the liquid on the surface probably trapped underneath the transparent
skin, could be something like liquid nitrogen. The beams on the surface that
are interlocking on the craft, if you imagine they protrude down through the surface
into the liquid itself. Then all of the beams become superconductors. They're all
called to zero degrees Calvin. That way, the whole craft then becomes one
big superconductor and you get quantum levitation. But also when the crafts materialized,
remember I said that it got these fluffy white clouds on the wingtips. That
would be because the craft itself is so cold, and when it's coming into
our atmosphere, that's a natural occurrence. So when we see craft with pipework,
Now, I've got a picture of one in the book. This one's
got like the fridge pipes and all over it. It's a picture that was
given to me by Michael Schwack in America. So I believe these pipes down
the surface contain liquid argid or something along those lines. So again you've got
quantum levitation, but in a slightly different way. So you cover a craft
in part work like the back of a fridge, they will become superconductors.
And again you've got this quantum levitation where you don't need a traditional power source
to power the craft. You don't need engines blasting at the back of it.
It's just using magnetic fields to propel itself along. And that would explain
the lack of noise, yes, and it could also explain this feeling of
pressure that people talk about. That's right, yes, interesting, very interesting.
That. Yeah, that's just my theory. But I've got I'm going
to read you a little passage from the book, if that's all right,
Yeah, that's absolutely fine, And then we can we can tell people where
to find the book and so on. So this is from a guy called
Charles b. It's not his real name, and he's some sort of protection
offices. He has to be a bit careful, but he was out with
his daughter and they've seen a triangle. I think he's seen a few over
the time. But he was in North Yorkshire and he says I discussed these
things with my daughter. We decided to look for the light and tried to
get closer. We saw it one night, moving over the Moden area of
the town. My ex partner tried to say it was venus, but Venus
was also clearly visible and the object was also clearly visible. My ex's daughter,
who was seven at the time, became hysterical and said it was aliens.
We pursued the object, which was very bright, but as we followed
slowly in the car into North Yorkshire, it seemed to be getting lower.
We both reasoned it was maybe a helicopter, but there were no strokes and
no noise. Somewhere between please Be and Manfield, we lost sight of it
as it got too low. We looked for the object but decided to give
up and turn them back home. As we drove back along age sixty seven.
I said, let's look down by the river at low Conniscliff. With
hindsight, I think they told me it was there after driving down the track
to the river. It was probably about three hundred feet above the ground it
was used. The triangle was at least one thousand feet across. The lights
at the apises were dim yellow orange, and there was a dimmer orange light
in the body towards the back. I got out of the car and stood
staring at the triangle. There was total silence. I could no longer hear
any traffic from the nearby a one m motorway. The body was black and
it blocked out the stars, but I could see stars around it, and
also nearby farmhouse on a hill of the south of the river. It also
seemed to block out the breeze. I don't know whether I got closer to
it or it to me, but it seemed right underneath it. But I
seemed right underneath it. I could see black channels that's in the oder side
of it, which you would have now made me think they're a docking mechanism.
I can't explain how I've never told anyone until now but it seemed to
be just a few feet above me. It seemed to be made of a
slate or graphite material, very dark gray and a smooth map texture. I
could feel the presence in my body and the dental implant was vibrating in my
mouth. I could see the channels covered the inder side of the craft.
They're probably six feet across and have a similar depth. I raised my hand
and touched part of the craft's body between the channels. I was terrified and
even thought it could harm me, but I did it anyway. I brushed
my fingers over it and then put my entire palm on it. It felt
like a hard kitchen workedop with a matt finish, but it was not cold.
The next thing I remember is my daughter shouted me to give them back
in the car. She hadn't wanted to get out. And that was the
end of his encounter. So the amazing thing they liked, the pressure that
he was feeling, the size of the craft, the fact the craft could
maneuver down that close to him that he could touch it without actually causing them
any damage. And the only thing is about this sing is when it goes
against my theory of the being super cold and super conductive, because if he's
put his hand on it, if it had been that cold, it would
have frozen his hand off. Yeah, of course it wasn't. That's very
interesting. So yeah, So the book is called Triangular UFOs of the United
Kingdom. Whereabouts can we can we get it? Where can we buy it
from? We can get it from Amazon, most available as the paperback,
hardback, the kindle, and there's also an audio version there as well.
So Trianglet UFOs of the United Kingdoms. Plenty of pictures in there as well,
the pictures of the models that I've made. Like I said, there's
one hundred and thirty different close encounters that you can go through. It is
quite fascinating and I wish I've got a book like this back in nineteen ninety
nine when we had our experience. Yeah, people maybe feel a lot better
about it. I'm going to say it would have made you feel a bit
more able to sort of open up about what happened. If people want to
get in contact with Perhaps there's people out there that would that have had experiences
that perhaps no feelder can they can talk to you about them? Do you
have any contact details? Yeah? They can either contact me through Facebook Messenger,
but if they're not using Facebook, you might want to email me,
so I'll give you my email address. Okay, it's a tech thirteen.
That's Poper Echo Charlie Kilo one three at hotmail dot co dot uk. Okay,
excellent. So yeah, so if there is anybody out there that has
any any sightings or any experiences that they want to share with you, then
they can just just drop you a line. It's been fascinating talking to Colin
about this. It's it's a subject that I haven't covered before, although I
have, As I said, I've had a passing interest in it because of
the research that I've found out about the more convey areas. So it would
seem that these crafts are quite clearly more prevalent than you than I imagined initially.
And it's just it's been a fantastic discussion with it and a really interesting
experience that you had all those years ago. Yeah, it just still stairs
with you to this day. Yeah, it's mind blowing. It's been nearly
twenty five years now, and it's true, so I've been obsessed with it
all that time. I did try to leave it for a while but that
didn't work or got back to it again. I mean, you have an
experience like this, you can't really forget about it. Although I think about
a lot of people who have experiences who then just try and try and hide
it and forget about it because I can't cope with it. Yeah, But
on the opposite, I just want to tell everybody about it, and if
there's anybody who listened to this who's suffered psychologically with it, I mean,
get in touch and we'll have a chat so I know exactly what you've been
through and what you're going through. It's not something you could talk to your
normal person about down the pub. You've got to be carefully you talk to
us. You could end up getting yourself into a worse situation. That's very
true. I just encourage everybody to go out and buy books. It sounds
sounds like a great read. Thank you very much for coming on. As
I said, I've really enjoyed the chat that we've had, and hopefully we'll
speak again soon. Yeah, I've enjoyed it. It's been great, Quig,
thank you very much for having me on your podcast. Thanks a lot,
problem Thank you. You can visit my website at www dot Craig Bryant
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