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What is krak Alakin fellow thermonuclear a
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covering another NBA twenty three twenty four
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reading, I am responding when I
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a good job carrying the conversation on
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And so now I turn it over
to Grant. How the heck are

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you doing? So ready to be
wrong, Dan, So ready to look

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back at how foolish we were or
prescient, depending we haven't really gone ahead

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and looked at these So some of
this will be There will be some moments

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where the questions we will ask each
other is what on earth were we thinking?

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So I'm definitely excited for accountability and
miya culpas maya culpa's and all that

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kind of stuff. Yeah, this
is probably gonna be a humbling experience,

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I would imagine because we've never done. Like, we're pretty good at acknowledging

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when we're wrong, but this is
the first time we're actually going through last

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year's grades and we've already done the
teams that we missed on with their win

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totals and whatnot. So that was
some accountability, but this is more like,

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oh, we said that about I'm
very worried about when we get to

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the Knicks. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, I mean, have you

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ever thought that maybe we're a little
too willing to admit how little we know?

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Do you think that maybe hurts the
brand? Is that why we haven't

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like popped? Well, I feel
like the alternative that seems to be very

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successful, whether it's politics or sports
talk, is to dig in and see

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like no, no, I was
dead right, or just ignore facts and

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like that kind of thing. But
that that really is not what we do

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here, which and that'll be the
brand leading into the twenty three twenty four

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season as we're always right, yeah, refusal to accept the accountability no,

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I mean in seriousness. So this
is one value to force you to think

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about, like where you're thinking went
wrong in the past, and hopefully that

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it makes you a better evaluator going
forward, we'll see. But but again,

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this is going to be interesting.
I am very excited to do this

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because I never remember what my reasoning
was or rarely do, like if we're

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talking about over a year ago,
that we're gonna look at what we thought

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of each East team's off season,
So it'll be I'm curious to see how

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much our evaluations, uh, you
know, with a year of data deviate

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from what we thought. So that'll
be cool. Are we are we ready

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to get into this. We're gonna
go by division and do the Eastern Conference

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and hopefully not spend too long on
each team, but I think there will

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be some teams that require some sure
thorough relitigation. Yeah, sure, I'm

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not ready, but we're going to
start anyway with the Atlanta Hawks, so

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as a refresher for both us and
the Listener. Their main offseason moves last

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summer were the Dejante Murray trade,
so just briefly, Murray and Jacque Landale

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in for Danielle Gallinari, who was
subsequently waived. Charlotte's twenty three first which

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had some protections on it top sixteen
through twenty four, top fourteen, and

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twenty five Atlanta or there must be
San Antonio's twenty five first rounder unprotected uh

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swap rights in twenty six and a
twenty seven unprotected first from the Spurs.

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So Dejan ta Murray in uh for, I'm sorry, I had it wrong.

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You gotta jump in and correct me. Dan, I was trying to

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get Dejon ta Murray and all the
Spurs picks to the Hawks. Those Hawks

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picks go out. I'm trying to
make sure that were able to hit that.

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They traded Mo Harkless for Vi Craci. So you're you're, you're down

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and you're out in the weeds.
I'm I'm sucking up. Who's trading picks

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for John Murray? Uh Aj Griffin
was the number sixteen pick, and then

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the other one I wanted to hit
was the Kevin Hurder trade to the Kings

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for Mo Harkless justin holiday and a
twenty four first With lotto protection, it

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eventually can turn into twenty six second. Although did that convey I can't even

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remember now. It must have conveyed
because it was lottery protected, or that's

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in twenty four never mind, not
gonna get has not conveyed yet. There

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was a three point seven million dollars
traded, player exception generated with this transaction.

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But most mostly this was the Hawks
shedding money to try to duct the

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tax, despite swearing up and down
that that's not the kind of operation they

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run. Anything I missed there before
we get to what we gave the Hawks

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last year. No, just that
they traded Mohrkless for a big Creachi.

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But that happened after our grades.
We both game would be minus and well,

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do you remember what your logic was
on that? There were a couple

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points I remember kind of focusing on. I remember that I think we were

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collectively higher on the Dejante Murray trade
than consensus. We were okay with the

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price that they paid, and I
think now, even knowing last season how

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he didn't have the intended defensive impact, I'm still okay with the trade because

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of the extension they signed him too. I'm not okay with the Kevin Hurder

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trade because when you look at yes, their offense under Quinn Snyder was able

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to be thermonuclear af at points,
like when you look at their shot profile,

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they really could have used Kevin Hurder
even with Bogdan Madanovitch still there.

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That's still not a trade that I
love and like having a King's pick isn't

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sexy anymore, Like, okay,
you have a lot of we protected twenty

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twenty four kings pick, congratulations,
that's not really worth anything. So I

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think I would stick with my B
minus. I don't know where you ended

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up with it, but I would
probably. I might even like, do

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we lower it to a C plus
just to continue to ding them? But

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again, you extended de Jante Murray, I think on a pretty team friendly

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contract. Yeah, I think if
I deviated, it would be like a

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you know, a frack, a
marginal move up or down. I think

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I'll just stay with it too.
It would be interesting. I think we

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both would be quite a bit lower
on this if there were no extension,

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because that was pretty at the time
that seemed highly improbable that the Hawks were

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going to be able to extend Murray
and avoid him hitting free agency. So

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to get that I think at least
keeps it out a B minus for me,

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and I think I think that's fair
to just kind of stick with it

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there, So hey, good for
us. By the way, I would

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also say what helps is that the
Jonte Murray like process and then fit probably

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isn't as great like it was cleaner
on offense, even though the minutes without

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Trey were a mess. What really
might help them is Okay, let's say

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you want to regrade them lower.
For that Aj Griffin at number six,

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team looks looks like a maybe not
a home run, but a triple double,

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triple sure, And so I think
that helps them a ton too.

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Also, last thing, it's difficult
to evaluate the Hawks last year because they

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change coaches midstream again, and I
suspect that. I'm I'm picking the Hawks

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to win quite a few more games
this year than last coming in so I

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don't know, you can you do
you credit them for hiring Quinn Snyder like

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eight months or whatever it was after
we gave these grades. I don't have

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off season stuff though, So why
didn't they make that decision over the off

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season? Why didn't they change their
front office? But maybe we should do.

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The other thing is maybe we probably
should go lower just because they clearly

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but like, how do you can
you ding them for decisions not made like

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I'm more sort of just like why
did they just let the lawn right leave?

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Is something that I could grade them
lower? Four? I'm sticking with

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a B minus though, because I
think the Dejeantre Murray outcome was really great,

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and like the contract, and then
I really like a J. Griffin,

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even if ultimately he's only trade fodder
for them. That's fine. We're

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gonna change plenty of these, so
we can start out with a we made

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no mistakes, speaking of a team
that might warrant some changes. We move

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on to the Charlotte Hornets, and
they drafted Mark Williams at number fifteen.

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They traded number thirteen, so Jalen
Durhan to the Knicks for Denver's twenty twenty

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three first rounder. It was Lotto
protected through twenty twenty five. That obviously

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did not matter three twenty twenty three
second rounders, so that's like a that's

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a transaction we have to revisit,
I would think, But I think Mark

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Williams kind of helps offset it a
little bit. They bryce McGowan's they got

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that's that's whatever. They fired James
Brego, and then they thought they had

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Kenny Atkinson when he backed out,
so they signed Steve Clifford do a three

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year contract. He has a twenty
twenty four twenty twenty five team options.

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So this is the last guarantee year
of his deal already, and then they

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signed Cody martinto a four year,
thirty one point six million dollars deal,

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the final year of which is non
guaranteed. He will never make more than

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eight point seven million dollars. Notable
they notable exits Miles Bridges, felony,

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domestic violence, ended up leading no
contest, doesn't play for the team signed

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the qualifying offer this summer. I
think those are all the high nose.

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Did I forget anything here? Oh? I'm just sitting here struggling trying to

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unpack the during trade and what I
think of it. That we should probably

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start with that, right, Like, I mean, there's there are so

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many things that were weird about this
offseason. We gave him, we both

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gave him, what do we do? A D plus across the board for

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both of us last year, And
I think the biggest reason for that is

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I do believe I'm higher on Mark
Williams now than I was then. But

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the bigger thing was you traded a
lottery pick for first round pick that was

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never going to be a lottery pick, you know what I mean? Like

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that was just a that felt like
disastrous decision making by the organization, and

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again trying struggling to remember, was
the logic, We're fine with Williams at

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fifteen, and we think it's worth
it to get this fake first because we're

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okay moving down for a center we
like as much as during I can't remember

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if that was the logic of it, like let's let's pick up some assets,

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you know, middling as they may
be, because we think Duran and

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Williams are similar. Was that part
of it, Yeah, I'm sure,

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But I thought Duran had just a
better defensive ceiling when sort of looking at

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his mobility. I didn't trust Mark
Williams touch, but just and I don't

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know if this matters, but that
pick turned into Nick Smith Junior. I

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don't know if that changes, like
the way that you were grade this at

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all. I think either won't be
a change. I'm still fine with the

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Cody Martin contract. I know he
was injured last year. I think Steve

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Clifford is just sort of like,
yeah, the optics of whipping on Kenny

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Atkinson aren't great, but like he
they were a really good defense to close

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the season. They were like sixth
or whatever in points a lot per possession.

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After the trade deadline, so I
think that was sort of fine.

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I'm not like I might actually I
might give them a D just because I

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really like Mark Williams, and so
their calculation on Mark Williams was right,

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where maybe you're still higher on Jail
and Durhan, but he's at least in

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the same conversation. I still think
that trade is inexplicable, though it is

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because like, why would you trade
a lottery pick for a first round pick

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that will never become a lottery pick? Even I don't care how many like

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least favorable seconds were attached to it, right, I think I'm gonna stay

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at a D D plus. I
just like nothing nothing like what am my

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other unless unless I'm like, well, the Cody Martin signing looks even better

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now, which it doesn't because he
was just hurt, So I can't.

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I'm not gonna change anything based on
that. There's I don't I'm not finding

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other than Williams, I guess,
although I'm not one hundred percent sold on

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Williams. I mean, I think
he's I think he's going to be a

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decent starter maybe, but he's a
I just I'm D plus sounds good to

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me. I'll actually stick with the
D plus two because you're right like,

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I can't just reward them for getting
the Mark Williams pick, right like,

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because I didn't demerit them, because
the part of our conversation was not Mark

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Williams is gonna suck and Joe and
Durn's gonna be great. Know enough about

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that. We didn't have enough information
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yeah, I'm gonna stick with the
D plus two. That was not a

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batter off season for them. I
will say, though, this side of

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the Kenny Atkinson fiasco, having Steve
Clifford, I think looks like an even

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better sort of contingency, even if
it was forced, and that might be

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the only thing that like better.
I'm still fine with the Cody Martin contract.

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That's still very useful gap filler player
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So that moves us in this Division
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watching the alphabet, which would have
been known to do. Uh. Just

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I'll just go through it here.
Drafted Nikola Yovic at twenty seven. UH

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signed Caleb Martin to a three year, twenty point four million dollar deal.

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Boy, Uh, this grade's going
up. UH signed Aldipo for two years

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eighteen point two player option. On
the second of that, signed Wayne Deadman.

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Uh, signed Marcus Garrett, Darius
Days, a bunch of less significant

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signings A PJ. Tucker out.
What else did I miss? That was

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pretty much? This happened after the
grading, but I think it matters.

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They did resagn Udonis Haslam how Fata
complict, although not anymore. Uh Yeah,

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So I had this as a Oh
wow, a C minus. You

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were at a B minus. I
think I've got to move it up just

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because of Caleb Martin. At The
question is is how high? How much

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higher so you? This is this
is the first one we've deviated by a

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full letter grade on here, or
deviated at all. Do you remember what

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you were most high on or that
differed from me? I certainly can't.

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I probably ding them. I guarantee
my criticism was based mostly on losing Tucker.

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Yeah, I'm sure mine was as
well. I really liked the Caleb

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Martin contracts, and I also liked
the Victor Oladipo and de Way Deadman contracts,

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which just proves that I don't know
what the hell that I'm I'm talking

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about. But in Oladipo's defense,
like he got injured again, and so

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it was just like, so I
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Cala Martin contract is just one of
the best in the NBA right now.

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But you still like and you couldn't
have kept the way it went because they

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only had non bird rights on Tucker. You couldn't have kept both Caleb Martin

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and PJ. Tucker. I don't
really know what to make of that,

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the steps they could have taken to
have done so, but what would have

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been like the nuclear route to go
there? Well, and if you frame

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it that way, they kept the
right guy if it was if it was

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one or the other, keeping Martin. I think Martin mattered so much in

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that playoff run. Yeah, I
gotta go. You went up from be

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minus to a B. I gotta
go. I gotta make a huge jump

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here. I think in hindsight just
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because and Yovich maybe at twenty seven, I don't think we've seen nearly enough

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to really say if that's as the
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Maybe, so there's I guess if
we do a two years on revisit on

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this which we definitely want. There's
room for this to get higher. If

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Yovich really pops, I'm going,
well, unless you want to, I

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don't think I can't remember what happened
yesterday. Two years is pushing it,

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I guess I gotta go. I'm
gonna go. I can't go B plus

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because you can't. I'll go all
the way to B which is a big

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jump from A C minus. So
I'll join you in the B range there

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for the heat. I think we're
gonna be higher. You really have to

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like where You're just watching a lot
of Feeba and have decided that Nikola Yovich

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is either gonna push the Damian Littleer
trade package over the top or he's just

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going to be like the front core
partner of the future for BAM at a

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bio. I don't know why else
you would grade it, because B plus

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is just that's very close to an
ay. That's oh, they really owed

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it. You shouldn't get there at
all. I don't know if there even

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is a pathway again Jovic being a
star. I suppose we will now move

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on to the Orlando Magic Our Next
in the alphabet, they drafted Palaban Caro

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at number one. There was some
debate there, so that matters. They

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drafted Caleb Houston at number thirty two
and he wound up playing a good,

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great deal for them. They signed
Gary Harris to a two year, twenty

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six million dollar deal. They signed
mo Obama to a two year twenty point

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six million dollar deal. They signed
Bobo to a two year, four point

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four million dollar deal. They signed
Kevon Harris to a two way contract.

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He ended up playing for them.
They lost Robin Lopez. He went to

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the Calves. Am I missing anything
there? Did anything happen after we graded

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them? I think he got it
all there. Let's gope our original grades

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there then where I gave Orlando An
a minus, you gave them a B

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plus. So we were already pretty
high on their off season. Did anything

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happen that would that would change it? I mean, I'm trying it certainly

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doesn't get worse for me because bank
Harro was pretty clearly the you know,

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like this was gonna be Jabari Smith
Junior, who I think we both are

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still kind of excited about. But
I think between him and bank Harrow,

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it's like, well, the magic
made the right pick there, and this

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isn't a case where this isn't a
Woman Yama situation where you didn't even really

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make a pick. It just the
pick made itself. I think bank Carro

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clearly was you know, one of
more than you know, a handful options

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that they could have realistically picked.
And as I remember, it was like

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a little bit of a surprise that
they picked him right because or at least

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they kept it pretty tight because there
was some doubt what you know, right

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up to the selection. Knowing us, I bet we also really liked the

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non guarantees that they put on the
second year of a lot of these deals.

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Gary Harris, Mobamba and Bull Bull. I think I think I'm staying

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I think I'm staying B plus.
Maybe I might go you know, I'm

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gonna go a minus because they I
mean, they've stayed flexible, they didn't

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commit any bad money, and they
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So I'm gonna go up to a
minus from my bus I went up to

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an A just because you made the
right pick at number one when it wasn't

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like it was a question like that
was a real debate that was happening,

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and it's just clear and we haven't
seen Chet Holmgren play yet of course,

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but just what Palo Bank Kara can
do on offense with the ball in his

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hands. I think, justin Shore's
you made the right pick there. The

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Gary Harris deal ends up being a
home run because they had sort of just

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you know, the one year language
with the Mobamba. That doesn't matter that

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they just sort of traded him away. And I also, like, you

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know, getting Harris on the two
way contract ends up playing a role for

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you. Caleb Houston, a nice
little like chaos player for them, plays

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a role for them this past year. And like those were guys that contributed

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to what were was a defense,
particularly Houston that ended up being really good

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this past year. And so it
wasn't a perfect offseason, but like for

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where they were in their development and
not even knowing what Palo Bank Carol was

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at the time, it seems like
they were able to preserve their flexibility while

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getting better and you have to commend
them for that. The big thing is

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just you ended up with Paolo at
number one when there was to reiterate just

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a real debate there. I think
who should go number one? That takes

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us to the Washington Wizards, last
team of this division. They drafted Johnny

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Davis At number ten. They signed
Bradley Bill to a five year, two

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hundred and fifty one million dollar contract
with a fifteen percent trade kicker, a

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no trade clause, the only one
of its kind in existence, and a

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player option because why not for his
age thirty three or no they signed in

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the last year of that deal,
signed along right, UH signed Anthony Gill.

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I guess right is clearly the more
significant of those two years. Sixteen

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million got Will Barton and Monte Morris
for a smith and KCP who signed Taj

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Gibson to one year deal. I'm
trying to see anything else. They lost

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Howel Netto and Thomas Bryant to free
agency. This Dan earned from I'm looking

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out. You gave them a D
plus. I gave them a D.

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I am moving mine without his citation
to a flat F. There are no

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F minuses unless you want to give
him one, but I just didn't minus

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for me. I'll join you at
the F minus then if if we're rulling

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to go down there, I'm willing
to join you. How many minuses like

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three, four, the most,
the most, all the minuses, although

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not too because then that's positive rights. They don't even get a saving grace

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for signing Jordan Goodwin in September,
because they ended up just including him in

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the Bradley Beal trade. So it's
just like you fucked up, Like this

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was a you know, we could
talk about how do you grade them,

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about the roads not traveled. This
was something we talked about at the time.

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The contract was going to be a
disaster, and it turned into a

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disaster, probably sooner than a lot
of us thought because it Bradley Beal was

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still good, but you were put
in a situation where he didn't just dictate

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where he went, but for how
much he went for. And that's a

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real issue. You could have started
over that that off season, and now

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you're at a point where you had
to change the front office regime. And

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this again, this is all stuff
you could have understood. You didn't need

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any more information on the core of
this roster. You just you didn't,

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And like, I know, we
I think I probably gave him a deep

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plus two because I was like,
oh, I kind of liked the Casey

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P. Tree for both sides.
But Will Barton was done just cooked.

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Wizards fans felt like they ended up
hating Monte Morris just because he claimed they

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didn't play with enough pace, but
like he wasn't playing with enough pace,

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So it's just this is an F
minus. You delayed a decision that should

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have been made years ago and you
just continue And it was it wasn't even

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just oh we want to avoid the
full on rebuild, it's how can we

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make this as shitty as possible,
Like let's get Brady deal everything, and

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then he comes out and says I
didn't really have any other options, and

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then you have tend the answs,
the owner commending like he probably dislocated his

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shoulder, patting himself on the back
for giving out the no trade clause,

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only then pivot away from it a
year later. Just the probably the worst

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we haven't been through all this,
but just without really like had to be

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the worst off season in the NBA, and there won't. There won't be

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a work because you check all the
boxes. Bad lottery pick right, horrible

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signing of your own guy, and
then a really bad trade where you give

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up a guy who goes and starts
and really matters for the title winner,

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Like what is KCP worth at the
deadline? Like this is the problem.

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It's like he wouldn't have been this
same player on the Wizards, but like

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what's called Bill pope Worth today,
Like it's definitely more than Will Barton and

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Monte more like it's a it's a
joke. So yeah, they and then

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you get an immediate, you know, not immediate but basically as quickly as

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possible, full regime change. Like
that, you've you've hit every hallmark of

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you have royally just ruined your off
season. So uh, I don't think

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we're gonna get any worst off seasons
than that. To put a bow on

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on this division and this team there, I mean, there could be there's

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a team that I think might give
them a run for their money based on

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how played out, But we won't
get from yet because we're on to the

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Atlantic Division and the Boston Celtics their
big their biggest move was they traded Daniel

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Pie, Aaron E Smith, Malik
fitz Nick Stawskis, Jwan Morgan and a

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twenty twenty three first rounder for Malcolm
Brogden, who ended up he was in

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the running for or he won six
Man of the Year, right Manuel quickly

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not win it. He won six
Man of the Year. They signed an

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Eil Gallinard too, a two year
thirteen point three million dollar deal. He

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then tours ACL and did not play
for them. UH signed Luke Cornette to

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a two year, four point five
million dollar deal. They signed Sam Howsard

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with a three year, five point
seven million dollar deal team option at the

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end, and they also, after
we provided their grade, they signed Blake

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Griffin. I don't think there was
any other notables that I'm missing there.

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Did you ag threw real quick?
Blake Griffin is the only one that did

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you say they resigned Howser? Yeah, that's on there. Yeah, no,

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you got it. So we both
gave them an A. Wow,

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we both gave them an A.
Would you change that at all in retrospect?

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I mean the knock would be the
Emyodoka stuff, which I don't know

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how you felt happened. I'm assuming
after right, because we just not even

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mentioned our notes that. Yah,
I think it had to have. But

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I don't know, like what you
do with that because it's not like a

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I mean, I guess it's a
transaction if you get rid of your coach,

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but it's not kind of the typical
type of thing we would evaluate here.

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And I think mainly we probably well, I'm sure we love the Gallo

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signing for you know, the Mini
MLI, and I'm sure we were both

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pretty on board with the Brogden deal, and I think in both cases,

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I you know, certainly the Brogden
trade worked out and the Gallow move was

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good until it wasn't, and that
was sort of out of their control when

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he got hurt. So yeah,
I think I'm not I'm not gonna move

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off the A. I don't think. I just I don't know how to

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grapples over to give that both of
us gave them an A. We must

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have felt like this is this puts
them over the top. Basically, I

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guess maybe obviously it didn't, but
like, I just don't gotta we gotta

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move it down, I think,
right, because I don't also don't know

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how to the Gallow injury is just
you know, he's an injury prone player.

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But I like the Mini Emily,
like I liked that swing. And

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I don't know what to do about
the email Udoka stuff because it's did they

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hit like because I'm not. I
don't think Joe Massoula was necessarily the wrong

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guy to put in charge. It's
just when you put him in charge,

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he tried to make material changes to
a team that like thought it had forged

404
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its identity and then there's like some
change there and they didn't have as much

405
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:47,440
time to bring it together. And
do you criticize them for sort of like

406
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:53,319
being too delicate with the Udoka decision
where it's he suspended, we're not going

407
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,920
to get rid of him until we
absolutely know that we can get rid of

408
00:26:56,039 --> 00:27:00,079
him. I don't. And then
how long did the investigation the relationship take?

409
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,640
I just you know, was the
messaging coming out strong enough to make

410
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,319
people understand what was going on behind
the heeds? I don't. I honestly,

411
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:12,759
I don't know how to grade that. I'm not saying they put the

412
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,519
wrong guy in charge. I'm not
even saying they could have made that decision

413
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:21,200
sooner, but it does feel like
they could have handled that situation better where

414
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,759
it was, there was this you
left the team in lurch I think for

415
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:29,880
too long. And I know there's
probably you're a lawyer, there's probably legality

416
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,839
issues by saying well, we're going
to get rid of Emayudoka for this right

417
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,480
now, and is there enough cause
to do that? But you did keep

418
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,960
your not just a title contender,
you were a title finalist the year before

419
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,599
you left, and I like the
core identity of the team in Lurch,

420
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,759
the direction in lurch, I think
for too long, I'm trying to like,

421
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,319
you know, the Gallow thing we
can definitely say was out of their

422
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,680
hands. The Udoka one is such
a gray area because like, well,

423
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,240
what kind of culture are you promoting? And how prepared were you for this?

424
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,759
Should you? Should you have acted
sooner? Did you have the ability

425
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:04,599
to? I just don't know what
to do with it. I'm gonna go

426
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,559
from an A to an A minus
just because like, I don't know,

427
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,559
that's not significant, but I feel
like I need to acknowledge, like,

428
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,119
yes, in some respects, this
was a controllable outcome, I guess,

429
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,640
And just it's not as simple anymore
as oh, they got Brogden for you

430
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,640
know, stuff they didn't ultimately need, and Gallo was a great saying there's

431
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,799
just just to illustrate that this got
a little messier than it seemed a year

432
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,559
ago. I'll go away minus as
well. We're too on the same Patren

433
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,680
now. I think you could go
lower if you decide, well, you

434
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,160
look at what Brogden was able to
do, and then even what Gallo would

435
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:41,039
have been if he was healthy.
That did not inject nearly enough playmaking into

436
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:42,839
their rotation for what they needed.
So I think you could probably go to

437
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,759
like a B plus or something if
you really wanted to. Yeah, all

438
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:49,640
right, that takes us to the
Brooklyn Nets. Notable moves here. Got

439
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:55,839
Royce O'Neil from the Jazz. As
the Jazz began their firesale, they for

440
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,319
twenty twenty three first, which is
like the lesser of X, Y and

441
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,880
Z. Houston, Philadelphia, Brooklyn
UH kess Lairedwards had his team option decline.

442
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,920
Then they signed him to a two
year deal. He's subsequently he's on

443
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,880
the King's now right. They dealt
in mid season, UH signed Nick Claxton

444
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:17,279
to a two year, seventeen point
three million dollar deal. Holy smokes minimum.

445
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:22,480
Do you see my grade going up? Uh? Patty Mills opted out,

446
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:26,400
resigned thirteen point three million for two
years, signed Edmund Sumner two years,

447
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:32,640
four point two h Allondis Williams for
the two way. Andre Drummond gone

448
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,279
go, Dragic gone, LaMarcus Aldris
Blake Griffin left, David Duke Junior gone.

449
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,799
Did I miss anything there? No? I don't think he did nothing.

450
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,000
Had Kevin Durant trade demand right in
the off season, probably after we

451
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,680
did this right in the whole like
Kyrie stuff. So because we both gave

452
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,400
him initially a grade, this was
the team I thought could give Washington to

453
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,880
run first body because I gave him
a deep plus. You gave him a

454
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,960
C minus. So we were both
pretty low. I don't they ended up

455
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,640
being really good until like the whole
Kyrie Irving trade, Toman Ken Durant injury,

456
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,160
and so it's I don't know how
to grade that. I do think

457
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,519
to go after Royce O'Neil and just
give up a first round pick for Royce

458
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:15,880
O'Neil when you have just sort of
your your roster, your direction is suspended,

459
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,640
in complete mystery, knowing what's happening
with Kyrie NKD. There's something weird

460
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,160
there. And then they fired Steve
Nash, like what was it like seven

461
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,960
games in this I think the number
in my head of seven games. Yeah,

462
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,200
So why wasn't that decision made,
especially when Kevin Durant gave you the

463
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:37,960
ultimatum, I'm gonna give them an
F for it. Well, I'm even

464
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,759
F plus because the Nick Claxton contract
is a home run I just given where

465
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:45,960
the team ended up heading, like
why, like you should have poured it

466
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:51,119
down sooner, I guess because you
still got good value for the Kevin Durant

467
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,279
trade, so holding on to him
didn't do anything. Did you build up

468
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:56,839
Kyrie's value by waiting? That could
be the argument to be made, but

469
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,160
like, how did you not make
like the the Steve Nash's decision should have

470
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,880
been made in the off season,
hands down? And I also think just

471
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:06,920
like why did you let it get
to a point if you were never going

472
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,559
to extend Kyrie or like wanted to
give him a long earth and be like

473
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:14,599
why did you hold on to him
then? And like, Okay, you

474
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,240
were really good? Like where they
they had that stretch they like twenty one

475
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,640
and two or something like whatever,
it was, like you still Kevin Durrett

476
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,480
requested a trade and the end again, so he went from resending his trade

477
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:27,400
request to requesting a trade again.
It's just but I guess they're set up,

478
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:30,960
Like you look at the assets they
have. I don't know what to

479
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:33,480
do here? Do I stick with
the D plus? Like I don't know

480
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:37,680
what to do here. I'm really
struggling because I don't because because that had

481
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,640
that exact same thought of, well, the position they're in now is like

482
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,640
pretty good because they have more young
talent than they used to. They've got

483
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:51,880
Clackson on that that Clackson deal is
absurd, Like that's I can't you look

484
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,000
at it one of two ways.
Now they're already gonna have to pay him

485
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:56,960
again. Yeah, short, sure, but I mean just like dollar for

486
00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:02,960
talent and production, that's I'm in
an absolute steal. But yeah, like,

487
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:09,039
how do you how do you evaluate
the chaos that came really after we

488
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:15,119
gave this grade, and then how
do you weigh that against the nets are

489
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,440
in like a pretty good position because
ultimately they did well and what they got

490
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:22,240
for Durant and like did decently and
what they got for Irving. I don't

491
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,720
know how. I think probably I'm
gonna move it down because it's not like

492
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,000
all the chaos that came roughly a
month or a few weeks after this was

493
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:37,319
like totally unforeseeable. But I also
understand how they felt like we gotta try

494
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:44,039
to keep this together because if we
have everybody here were a contender. So

495
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,599
I'm gonna go I'm just gonna take
it down to like a D just a

496
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:52,079
flat D. It would I mean, this is this is one of the

497
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:55,119
hardest teams to evaluate because there are
so many like, at what point do

498
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,279
you ding them for not doing stuff? When should they have known they needed

499
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,519
to blow it up? I don't
know. There's like too many unknown variables

500
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:07,640
here, but I'm moving down just
because at least some of it. I

501
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:13,240
think I'm penalizing them because you it
was pretty clear Nashal is not the coach

502
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:15,920
for this team. It was pretty
clear that Irving was going to do something

503
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,319
that Irving always does everywhere. So
maybe getting out get out from under this

504
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,519
sooner was the play. I don't
know. I don't feel good about this

505
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,240
regrade, but I didn't feel good
about the grade last year, so that

506
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:30,279
stays consistent. I'll stick with a
D plus. Then I think the nash

507
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:31,519
decision should have been made and so
are you dating for that? But some

508
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,480
of their moves. We probably liked
the Nick Claxton deal, but that looks

509
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:37,960
better the right on Neil deal ended
up being fine. The real argument comes

510
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:43,039
down to whether if actually by not
tearing it down when Kevin Durant requested a

511
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:46,160
trade, did they actually help themselves, because would they have gotten less for

512
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:50,279
Kyrie Irving over the off season they
did in the middle of the year.

513
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:52,920
I think that's something that's fair to
relitigate, so I'll stick with the D

514
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:57,119
plus. Also, in addendum,
they did not lose David Duke Jr.

515
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,759
They did this offseason. He ended
up coming back to them. That happened

516
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:04,839
after our initial grading. I'll stick
with a D plus like you, though

517
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:07,599
I don't feel great about it.
Now we move on. Oh man,

518
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:13,440
let me just get ready. Let
me let me just get ready mentally prepare

519
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,960
for this. We are on to
the New York Knicks. They traded number

520
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,719
eleven, which was Ushman Jang to
ok See for Denvo's Lotto protected pick in

521
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,760
twenty twenty three, which did not
stay with them. Detroit's twenty twenty three

522
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,800
first it's protected with loosening protections through
two thousand and twenty seven, it gets

523
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,440
down to top nine protection them,
and then Washington's twenty twenty three first that's

524
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:39,079
Lotto protected through two, twenty four
top ten and twenty five top eight in

525
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:44,920
twenty six. They then acquired jail
and During the number thirteen pick from Charlotte

526
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:50,480
for that Denver twenty twenty three Lotto
protected first and three second rounders. They

527
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:55,000
then traded jail and During number thirteen
and Kemba Walker to Detroit for Milwaukee's two

528
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,960
and twenty five first round pick top
five protection. On that, I believe

529
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:05,480
you've traded Nerland's Noel Alec Burkes six
million dollars in cash, a twenty twenty

530
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:07,840
three second round pick, and a
twenty twenty six second round pick two the

531
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:14,000
Pistons. Basically that was just a
straight salary dump. They then signed Jalen

532
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:16,920
Brunson to a four year, one
hundred and four million dollars deal. It

533
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:22,840
started at twenty seven point seven million, and it isn't it goes into decline.

534
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,039
The final year is a player option, which will be his twenty age

535
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:29,800
twenty nine season. They signed as
A Hartenstein to a two year, seventeen

536
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,039
million dollars deal. We both loved
that. To frame that in totality,

537
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,079
and I believe I had this right. They used the number eleven pick six

538
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:40,920
second rounders, five of which were
basically real seconds, so it will say

539
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,039
five real seconds and six million dollars
in cash to offload three expiring deals,

540
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,840
scoop up three conditional first rounders,
and get Jalen Brunson and Isaiah Hartenstein.

541
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:57,039
They also signed Mitchell Robertson to a
four year, sixty million dollars deal that

542
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,119
is also on a declining scale.
And they signed Jericho Sims to a three

543
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:05,079
year, five point seven million dollar
deal. And that is really the only

544
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:08,159
other notables I have Taj Gibson did
leave. Is there anything else that I've

545
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:15,039
missed postage? And that was an
exhaustive It was exhaustive and exhausting Knicks offseason

546
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:21,199
that you I think have hit all
the big elements of our grades at the

547
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,639
time. I gave them a C
minus and you also gave him a C

548
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,119
minus. Is a terrible podcast that
you were so on the same pang?

549
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,719
How do you so? I want
to make it clear the criticism we had

550
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,360
of this team was not the Jail
and Brunson contract, which we both agreed

551
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:38,039
was fine, too good and now
might be one of the best contracts in

552
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,960
the league. So we still missed
on it, but it was the mode

553
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:46,679
of operations that the Knicks went through
to get Jail and Brunson and everything taking

554
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,760
a step back now though, And
I'll just go first here because it's me.

555
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:54,920
I'll just hijack this conversation. No, I've go ahead. I love

556
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:59,400
Ushman Jang, and I think that
we are going to look back on this

557
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:01,639
year and be like, wow,
because he was injured last year, the

558
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,519
Thunder just have Usman Jang two like
they have ched Home Grinn and Jail Williams

559
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:09,119
and Sga and Josh Giddy float around
and Ushman Jang too. That's happening.

560
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,559
With that said, the Knicks never
would have taken Usmanjang because that is not

561
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,639
who the Knicks are. I will
give them a slight demerit for that,

562
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,559
because I think this front office should
think in those terms, like sometimes it's

563
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:24,920
hey, let's swing on the high
upside position list, huge ash wing,

564
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,280
huge ash wing, and they've only
ever really done that with like Kevin Knox,

565
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:32,000
and that wasn't really that didn't turn
out so well. And I don't

566
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:36,519
think he was considered. He was
wildly inefficient that summer league. But I

567
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:40,639
don't know how you criticize like the
rest of their offseason and its totality,

568
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,480
because the Isaiah Hartenstein signing, even
if he wanted them to use him differently,

569
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,840
still looks pretty good. And Jalen
Brunson looks he contended for an All

570
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,639
NBA spot, probably should have been
an All Star. If we go back

571
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:55,559
and talk about that, I think
what you could say is, did they

572
00:37:55,679 --> 00:38:00,239
really need to like all the steps
they took to off low expiring contracts,

573
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,760
it felt it still feels a little
rich, which is why I'm going to

574
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,039
give them an A minus rather than
a flat A or an A plus.

575
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:13,440
But like this ended up being like
even the Mitchell Robinson deal looks good,

576
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:17,000
like not just fine, but good. So you could probably even talk me

577
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:20,159
into an A if you want to. But I'm moving it up to an

578
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:23,119
A minus here, So I was
had you thrown it to me, I

579
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:27,159
was going to throw it back to
you with the question of Dan, why

580
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,320
is this not an A? Just
control of the discussion anyway, because I

581
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:35,960
as I'm looking at it, I'm
trying to think, like, how do

582
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:40,239
I avoid this being an A because
obviously they were dead right on Brunson and

583
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,199
they got him for less, way
less than he would get like if he

584
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,079
were a free agent right now,
we'd be talking Van Vleet money for more

585
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:52,840
years probably, so like ridiculous value
there. And I'm not as high on

586
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,840
Jang as you are just because like
I don't feel like I know enough yet.

587
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,840
Hater. I'm a hater. I
hate him so much. I do

588
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:04,639
you think like we don't get to
take the victory lap on the Center signings

589
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:06,719
because I know, at least for
me, I was like, the Robinson

590
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,320
signs terrible, the Hardenstein one is
great. They offset each other. It

591
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:15,039
turned out to really kind of be
the opposite because Robinson just had played really

592
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,000
well and mattered in the playoffs and
exceeded the value of that deal, and

593
00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:21,719
Hardenstein didn't have as great a year, although still for that low amount of

594
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,960
money, pretty darn good backup Center, I'm gonna just go flat a And

595
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,039
what sold me on it is the
way that you framed it out on the

596
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:35,800
outline here, it's eleven some bullshit
seconds that nobody cares about six million to

597
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,440
get off bad money, get three
conditional first. I guess maybe we should

598
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,679
be a little more like nuanced and
talking about those conditional first that they got,

599
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,400
like how how valuable are they are
they going to convey what'll they be

600
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:52,159
worth? But then to do that
and get brunts in and Hardenstein basically with

601
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,360
the money you cleared, like that's
pretty darn good. So here's the other

602
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,599
thing too, and it's why I'm
going to move it up to an A.

603
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:00,840
Not well, the other thing that
was not in here is the RJ

604
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,920
Barrett extension. I forgot about that. Yeah, So I don't, like,

605
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,519
I don't really know how that looks. I'm still kind of indifferent to

606
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:12,559
it. I believe in RJ,
but like around six figures or RJ Barrett

607
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:15,440
is going to be like right now, that feels like an awful lot of

608
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:22,119
money for a team that I don't
think is built to allow him to improve

609
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:25,480
to the degree that they would want. Like it's just with Julius Randall and

610
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:30,039
Jalen brunts In and then just still
not really enough shooting. So I don't

611
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:32,320
really know how to view that,
which is part of the reason why I

612
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,119
can't give them a perfect grade.
But I could also give them an A

613
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,760
because they didn't make the Donovan Mitchell
trade right, and I think that ended

614
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,199
up being the right decision because of
where they were at Now. You could

615
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,039
argue, look at how good Bruntson
was as they made that trade, they

616
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:47,800
could have been better. So there's
a bunch of different ways to look at

617
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,480
it. But I think for where
they were at the Calves, given who

618
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:54,039
they had, where they were headed, Yes, you go all in on

619
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:58,960
Donovan Mitchell. For the price that
Cleveland paid, the nick should not have

620
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:01,880
matched that. Now, the flip
side to the flip side is did the

621
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,559
Knicks actively make that decision not the
trade for Docu Mitchell or is it really

622
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:09,119
because Utah just decided whatever they're doing
with RJ. Barrett, like we're over

623
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,159
this, We're going to move on. So I'm gonna stick with the A

624
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,760
minus. I don't think it was
a perfect offseason, and some of it

625
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,960
I don't know how deliberate. Everything
all the actual transactions that was all deliberate,

626
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,519
but the RJ. Barrett extension and
then like the process of the Doco

627
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:27,679
Mitchell trade talks and even just the
salary dumps a little bit it felt like

628
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,920
shouldn't have cost so much, But
it's you have one of the best contracts

629
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,119
in the league now in Jail and
Brunson, and that was not even people

630
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:37,719
who thought the deal was fine did
not frame it in that way. Yeah,

631
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,159
you said process like two sentences ago. So let's talk about the Sixers

632
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,360
there the next team alphabetically, this
is a fascinating offseason in hindsight now,

633
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,480
so traded the rights number twenty three, which was David Roddy and Danny Green,

634
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:55,480
to the Grizzlies for d Anthony Melton
for two years sixteen million left on

635
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:59,400
his deal, which I'm sure we
were just in love with at the time.

636
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,440
Signed Daniel House to a two year
eight point four million dollars deal with

637
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,559
a player option for twenty three twenty
four. PJ Tucker three years thirty three.

638
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:10,280
It's the full mid level got a
player option for twenty four twenty five.

639
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:15,199
James Harden opted out and signed a
two year, sixty eight point six

640
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:22,280
million dollars deal significantly below market to
facilitate the aforementioned signings of House and Tucker.

641
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,440
The Sixers were investigated for tampering and
capstir convention. They were fined for

642
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:29,880
that. They were not fined,
however, for promising James Harden a bigger

643
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,480
deal were he to opt out this
offseason, which I don't care what anybody

644
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,840
says. I'm sure that's why he
called Darryl Morial liar. I have anything

645
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,360
to do with anything else, But
so, I don't know how to evaluate

646
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,679
that small, small time Stuff signed
Travelle and Queen to a two year,

647
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,719
three point six million dollars deal.
Michael Foster tu an exhibit ten two million

648
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,960
dollars option they picked up to keep
shake Milton DeAndre Jordan out, Paul millsapp

649
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:59,760
also out. What else did I
miss from the Sixers? We gotta hit

650
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,239
the items, but there was more
I think. Yeah, So they ended

651
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,199
up signing Mantras Harold right for some
reason, and then the other one that's

652
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:14,360
kind of big. They waved not
only Charles Bassey but Isaiah. Joe went

653
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,079
on to have himself a season yes
in Okay see, and for a team

654
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:22,159
that you just you need all the
shooting you can get around Joe Ellen Bead

655
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:24,119
and James Harden, that was a
very Maybe he never would have cracked the

656
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:28,679
rotation Philly, but that's one of
those where it's no, that doesn't that's

657
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:30,840
not great. Bob, that's not
great, Daryl, that's not great.

658
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:39,559
We gave the Sixers an a both
of us, which looking back, if

659
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:45,960
if you didn't know what happened over
the last thirteen months, Yeah, great

660
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,960
signings. PJ. Tucker, Daniel
House awesome, D'Anthony Mountain is gonna be

661
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,920
great. Hardened at a discount,
and who cares what happens after in the

662
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,159
context of what happened throughout the season. What Like, I think the Daniel

663
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,320
House contract ended up being just sort
of it's not gonna hurt them, but

664
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,480
it was just kind of a he
didn't work out for them. PK.

665
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,199
Tucker was so low volume on offense
that it felt like it became damaging at

666
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:12,119
times. But like, even knowing
what's happening with the James Harden stuff now,

667
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:14,280
the fact that they didn't get into
him for a lot of money or

668
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,440
a bunch of years is probably a
good thing. That's that is the most

669
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:22,639
fascinating part about this because like I
guess, yeah, I mean, but

670
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,719
it also feels like we're rewarding Darryl
Moore and the Sixers for being like,

671
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,960
yeah, yeah, sure we got
you, and then like now he thinks

672
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,199
we got him, you know,
like as they looked what a sucker?

673
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,400
Uh that. I don't know what
to do with that. I mean,

674
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,800
we have to move the grade down, don't we. I mean just I

675
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,480
just don't know how much. It
is also the steps that they took to

676
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:50,119
tamper and you end up with PJ. Tucker Daniel House and danthy Melton.

677
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,039
I don't do the thing. I
was good for them. I love Yeah,

678
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:54,360
you ended up with House, and
it was just sort of like,

679
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,000
okay, now we're kind of seeing
the aging curve PJ. Tucker a little

680
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:01,599
bit and it's what does that look
like? I would drop them too,

681
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:05,519
And look, you have to factor
in just a so there was either a

682
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:10,800
disconnect between James Harden and the franchise
or you flat out just lied, right,

683
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,719
and it's just here's the Here's what's
also tricky is you you look at

684
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:21,559
it a year. You know,
we're a year on now, and you

685
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:23,880
know they're gonna have to trade James
Harden. They're not going to get very

686
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:29,639
good value for him. But like
the it's not a it's not a situation

687
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,800
where oh and he's also on the
hook for four more years at two hundred

688
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,880
million dollars or whatever it is,
Like, that's that's a good thing.

689
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:39,920
I think, although like you could
make the counter that well, had he

690
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:44,679
if there were more team control,
a team would give up more to acquire

691
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,880
him. Potentially, I don't know
if that's actually true in Harden's case,

692
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,880
because you might not want the back
ends of those years or any of those

693
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:57,039
years, given where he is in
his career. Yeah, I just and

694
00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:59,320
then I guess, really, if
you want to go full Galaxy brain,

695
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,760
you're looking at it now and it's
like, even though he said that's not

696
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,880
going to happen, the odds of
Joel Embiid requesting a trade and leaving and

697
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,159
basically making your franchise have to start
over or higher now than they were a

698
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:14,239
year ago because of what you've done, because of the way you operated with

699
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,599
Harden all told, the Sixers are
in a more precarious position now, and

700
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:20,719
I think it has a lot to
do with what they did last summer.

701
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,199
So we got to move off the
A for sure. I'm gonna take this

702
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,679
down to I'll just go down a
full letter grade to a B because even

703
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,079
looking at all these moves in hindsight, like individually, they kind of all

704
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:36,360
still look pretty good. They just
didn't work out quite that well. And

705
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,199
the Sixers were a good team last
year, So you know, I don't

706
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:40,960
know, I can't move him down
too much more than that. I'm gonna

707
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,960
move him down to a B plus
just because I don't like the Daniel House

708
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:50,239
trade deal. In retrospect, I
don't know why you signed Montrose Harold really,

709
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,480
but just they were a really good
team last year and I think that

710
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:59,559
you definitely need to diminish their grade
because of what happened with Harden, but

711
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:02,800
also it ended up kind of almost
being the ideal scenario for them where they

712
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,559
weren't because he still was not great. In the playoffs, it was like

713
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,079
every third game or something so and
the elimination game when they are after being

714
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:14,920
up three to two on Boston like
that stuff. It matters in the sense

715
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,480
of, Okay, you did whatever
you did by Hard and you might have

716
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:21,079
done wrong by him, but it
still worked out for you as a franchise.

717
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:24,719
I just don't really know how to
grade that. That brings us to

718
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:31,440
our last team in the division.
It is the Toronto Raptors. They resigned

719
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,920
that he is young to a two
year, sixteen million dollars deal with only

720
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,440
one million guaranteed for year two.
They signed Otto Porter Junior for away from

721
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:44,239
the Golden State Warriors to a two
year MINIMLI deal. Essentially, I was

722
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,760
less than the big mL E I
should say. They drafted Christian Coloco at

723
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,440
number thirty three. They signed Chris
Bouchadi with three year, thirty five point

724
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:57,480
three million dollar deal. They that's
really it unless I'm missing anything like big

725
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,039
that they they didn't get. They
lost util want an Abby to the Nets

726
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:04,440
is like the other big thing that
they did. I don't think. Uh,

727
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:07,719
they had like one Heart and Gomez
at one point, they had Justin

728
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,840
Champenny at one point. Did he
even finish the season with them? But

729
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,000
they had DJ Wilson at one point
as well. So yeah, I don't

730
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,760
did I did I miss anything?
I think you hit the big ones.

731
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,400
I think yeah, I think I
think we're good. So we both gave

732
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:25,159
them I say, we both like
we have the same grade. I gave

733
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:29,239
them a B plus. You gave
them a B in retrospect, Maram,

734
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,119
what do you think of their offseason? Well, I mean we both do

735
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:37,000
we both give them fs this offseason
for gave them a minus minus minus and

736
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:44,400
you called me a savage. You're
still a savage. I'm trying to think

737
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,840
why we were high on that.
I guess like the Porter move looked good

738
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,880
until he was heard and basically did
not contribute it at all. Thaddeus Young

739
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,360
seemed to make sense, like,
oh, certainly you can trade him for

740
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,880
a bad first or something. Maybe
that was the thinking this has got to

741
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,800
go down, I think because now
that we've got a better global picture of

742
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,639
the team's lack of a direction,
this is sort of the same thing that

743
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,119
you know, they didn't pick a
move to demonstrably get better. Now,

744
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:13,360
granted, the circumstances of the twenty
three off season are different because of Van

745
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,599
Fleet's free agency and Gary Trent's opt
in and all that stuff. I'm gonna

746
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:22,519
take this down from a B too. I'm gonna just take it down to

747
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:30,199
a C just because it feels a
full letter grade worse to me, mainly

748
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:35,039
mainly on the thinking that it can
this past. This twenty two off season

749
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:42,679
contributed to the just like nauseating stasis
that the organization continues to exist. In

750
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,760
my question before you make it to
be what move of all the ones that

751
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,239
they made, and you can go
through the nitty gritty ones that we didn't

752
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,880
name if you want to, Like
maybe you're just very high on like the

753
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,320
few minutes that want her to go
mis played for them or they what move

754
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,239
looks better in hindsight? What deal? What contract? Does any of what

755
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,760
they did last summer look better now? Yeah? You'd have to stretch and

756
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,719
say, well, the Chris Bouche
one is okay, it doesn't look better.

757
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,079
No, I don't think I think
that's the question. Do you have

758
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:10,920
one that looks better? I don't
think it's And I just don't have enough

759
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,079
information on Like maybe Christian Coloko,
like picking him up makes sense, but

760
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:16,400
oh no, you felt the need
to go give up a ship ton for

761
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,480
yakum purdles. Anyway, so you
bumped them down to would you say,

762
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,480
I think I took him down to
full letter grade to a C. Yeah,

763
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:29,000
I'm gonna go C minus here.
I could convince you a B plus

764
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:34,280
though, because I liked it at
the time. But they really underestimated,

765
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,880
like and I don't know. We
talked about maybe we're waiting how much Chris

766
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,400
Bouche would shoot, like maybe he
thought he showed better than he didn't.

767
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,800
We thought out a porter would really
choose their spacing. But like, even

768
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,079
looking back right now, is how
did we not criticize them more for not

769
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:51,360
addressing their lack of half court spacing. Maybe we're really sipping the Scotty Barnes

770
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,480
cool aid at that point. I
don't know. I wonder too, like

771
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,360
how much of I mean, certainly
now in twenty three were dinging them for

772
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:05,559
moves like unmade moves from way before, like well, if you thought van

773
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:07,000
Fleet might just leave, you should
have traded him. And if you think

774
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:12,000
maybe that's gonna happen now with Siaka
mand or Anobi, you should have gotten

775
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:15,960
value like that kind of thing.
I don't. I guess at the time

776
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:19,000
a year ago, we weren't kind
of thinking along those same lines, because

777
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:23,800
all of what's happened to Toronto now
was kind of foreseeable and so but but

778
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:27,320
I think just in isolation, you
know, we looked at oh, fad

779
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,559
Young, that's fine, auto Porter, that's fine, just didn't work out.

780
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:32,719
So well there, Do you want
to take us on to the Central

781
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,320
Division? Yes, I gotta go
find it here. Want me to do

782
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:37,880
it. If you can't find it, yeah, I go for it.

783
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:45,239
I'll take the next one. We
begin with the storied Chicago Bulls. They

784
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,960
drafted dal And Terry at number eighteen. Tony Bradley picked up his player option.

785
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,800
They signed Derek Jones Junior to a
two year, six point six million

786
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,920
dollars deal. He opted out on
the final year. They signed Andre Drummond

787
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,199
too, a two year, six
point six million dollars deal. He's still

788
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,400
there. They signed Zachline to a
five year, two hundred and fifteen point

789
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,880
two million dollars deal player option.
In year five, they had go on

790
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,400
Dragics in a one year vet minimum. They lost Troy Brown Jr. Who

791
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:13,000
went to the Lakers, and they
did not bring back Matt Thomas or Tristan

792
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:15,760
Thompson. I believe based off when
we did these, but I will look

793
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:21,440
very quickly that we hit everything,
unless you're upset that they waved Javon Freeman

794
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:24,639
Liberty. They had coaches attend to
Kompo for a hot minute, but then

795
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:29,559
waved Tam in October. I think
we got all the all the biggest ones

796
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:31,599
though. Yeah, I think you're
good there, so we gave them.

797
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,840
We Wow, we were pretty nice
to the Bolls. B minus and a

798
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:43,039
b HM doesn't seem like us.
What's the main thing? The Lavine deal

799
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:45,039
is the main thing to focus on, right like, and I guess it's

800
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,079
and the only thing I think you
can so we can talk about the Lavine

801
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:53,079
deal, I mean talk about like
whether you thought they needed to be more

802
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:59,039
aggressive with the tools that they had, which I think was would be a

803
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:02,360
fair criticism was you know, was
Dale and Terry the right pick? The

804
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:09,639
answer there is just I mean TVD
not. But like the only way that

805
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:13,360
I think you could really say,
oh we need to like drop them down

806
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,679
to an F is you thought they
should have blown it up because the writing

807
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:22,079
was on the wall with the with
the Lonzo Ball injury, or you know,

808
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,239
were you maybe like, oh,
they should have drafted, like thinking

809
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,599
about what Christian Brown would have looked
like on this team. He was drafted

810
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:30,199
number twenty one, even Walker Kessler
and number twenty two, like instead of

811
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:35,360
having Nikola Vujevich right there. So
I don't I really don't know how to

812
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,360
regrade this team because I think the
zach Lavine extension was actually smart. I

813
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,360
know people are kind of down on
him. We know what zach Lavine is.

814
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:45,559
That's actually not a bad thing.
He hits a lot off the dribble

815
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:47,159
threes. He could probably stand in
do a little bit more cutting. He's

816
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:51,599
a really good shot creator is probably
about average passer for his position. I

817
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:53,960
had greater hopes for him there entering
this past season. So that was a

818
00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:59,840
good that's a good contract. I
think I don't like nothing else about this

819
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,719
off season was very good or inspiring
though, But was it, Oh,

820
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,199
let's bring them all the way down
to a D type of uninspiring. Yeah.

821
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:12,480
I mean, my instincts for always
knocking the bulls for not blowing it

822
00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:15,639
up are hard to resist here.
But I think it's more fair to be

823
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:21,840
harsh on them for the twenty three
offseason because this was the one where you

824
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,960
didn't have to retain Bukovich. You
you know, you have DeRozan on a

825
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:29,119
short on a short deal now and
you can trade him and you know,

826
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,159
Lavine maybe you can. Last year
was a little different because they didn't really

827
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,119
have as many outs, and I
think they had more reason to believe.

828
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:40,960
I guess that running it back essentially, you know, could produce you know,

829
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:44,440
maybe we're the fourth or fifth best
team in the East or something.

830
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,079
It wasn't ridiculous for them to think
that. It's more ridiculous to think that

831
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:51,719
now, or at least it's it's
worse overall planning to operate that way now.

832
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:54,400
So I don't think I'm gonna move
this. I I have had him

833
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,199
at a B. I think I'm
gonna leave it at a B. I

834
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,840
don't I don't feel like they need
to be really dinged because because if you

835
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,719
ding them, it's because you know, the only consequential thing they did was

836
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,239
was resigned, was keep Levine had
a deal that we both think is at

837
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,159
least like okay. So I can't
really deviate too much from what I thought

838
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,480
last year. I want to dig
them a little bit to say, like,

839
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:19,679
why weren't they the team that drafted
Christian Round? But I can't do

840
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,519
it. I'm gonna stick with a
B minus. The other thing here,

841
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:23,679
too, is last season was not
as convenient for them to blow it up

842
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,519
in fury like you still would have
probably gotten really good value for Damarta Rosen,

843
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,920
Anna who was pounding down the door
to get Nikola Vouchovic in the final

844
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,719
year of his deal this off season. As you said, it's easier to

845
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,840
be critical because vouch was a free
agent, you have Demarta rosen on an

846
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,800
expiring contract. There weren't a lot
of teams in the East looking to tear

847
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,280
it down, so I think that
you could have or there weren't a lot

848
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,159
of teams in general looking to tear
it down in the off season, so

849
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,760
you could have I think, gotten
good value for these players overall, though,

850
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,800
like maybe you could talk like should
this have been like a C plus

851
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,719
in the moment just because they didn't, Like what did Eric Jones Junior really

852
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,199
contribute for them? I think Andre
Drummond had like a fine season, So

853
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,159
yeah, it would have been nice
if they would have addressed the guard spot

854
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,440
more. They drafted a rookie who
could have played. But like, those

855
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,079
are just sort of like common missus
that other teams have as well, And

856
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:13,239
because it's the Bulls, we might
be inclined to shoot on them a little

857
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:19,480
bit more more heavily. Yeah,
this is gonna be a fascinating one though

858
00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:22,599
that it's very in theme with the
Bulls that we both just kept our grades

859
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:24,760
the same for them, because all
the Bulls seem to do is like just

860
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:29,239
kind of keep keep their stuff the
same. They stay the same, We

861
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,960
stay the same. The Cleveland Cavaliers. This is a kind of a funny

862
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,000
one because looking at when we did
this, the first item is not what

863
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:38,880
you think it should be based on
their twenty two off season. It's drafted

864
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:45,280
Ohia Baji at number fourteen. Also
drafted Isaiah Mobile at forty nine, signed

865
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,519
Andrew dim hard to do A two. A signed Robin Lopez to a one

866
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:52,119
year FET minimum, Ricky Rubio three
years eighteen point four million. That was

867
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:54,960
the mini. MLA signed Howell Netto
to a one year VET minimum, A

868
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:02,039
little bigger gave Darius Garland five years
one ninety two point nine thirty max if

869
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:07,159
he makes all NBA. Collin Sexton
at the time was unsigned. And that's

870
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:10,159
it, right. The keVs didn't
do anything else less season. Obviously the

871
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:15,559
Donovan Mitchell trade, you should we
I have the details? Should we give

872
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:20,400
me the details? So they trade
Ohshya Boji Lowry marketing Colin Sexton and assigned

873
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,360
and trade a twenty twenty five first
round pick, at twenty twenty seven first

874
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:30,039
round pick and at twenty twenty nine
first round pick, plus swaps in twenty

875
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:36,760
six and twenty eight. I believe
for Donovan Mitchell that is, I mean,

876
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,360
and they had I think that was
really it. There was nothing else

877
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:43,239
that they did noteworthy before the start
of the season there, yeah, no,

878
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,679
so yeah, So it's interesting to
note that you had them as a

879
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:50,840
C and I had them as a
B based on everything except Donovan Mitchell,

880
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,239
right, yes, so I guess
part of the whole thing was like,

881
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,840
well, why is Colin Sexton unsigned
right now? For mind my end as

882
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,920
well, and I think I probably
was, uh, well, if anything,

883
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,400
the Darius Garland contract like cold,
we can we pay him more?

884
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:07,920
Now? Would that be okay?
Because great, we just give him more

885
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,960
money because that looked I think we
both liked it at the time. But

886
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:16,119
yeah, the Sexton thing was was
probably probably her. I guess we have

887
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,920
to move up because of the Mitchell
trade, right because they leveled up as

888
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,480
a team, they got another year
to take a shot at it, and

889
00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:28,440
you know, the New York stuff
has died down a little bit because if

890
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,920
you were gonna, if we were
gonna move them down for the Mitchell trade,

891
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,280
I guess the thought would have to
be that this is a stupid,

892
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,920
dangerous rental that doesn't raise the ceiling
enough. And I don't I don't feel

893
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,280
that. I don't know why anyone
remove him down. I guess you could

894
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,800
say, well, look, they
gave up lotry marketing, and lowry market

895
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,719
was not viewed lotry market at the
time of the deal, and it wasn't

896
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,559
becoming awkward for that. I mean, should was he ever becoming that?

897
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:51,519
In Cleveland? I doubt it.
Yeah, I think he was able to

898
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:53,039
play the three in Cleveland, which
kind of unlocks some stuff for him to

899
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:58,000
do in Utah a benefit to the
Calves there. Could you say, you

900
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,880
know who, what was the offer
they were actually bidding against, like when

901
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,880
you're looking at the Knicks is easier
to say. But even just like Colin

902
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,159
Sexton wasn't muwe as favorably around the
league, he was probably considered on his

903
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,679
deal more of an asset than Larry
market In at the time, like on

904
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,800
that side and trade. Yeah,
I think I would argue that even on

905
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,000
BOGI. It's just like he looks
like a really good player, but was

906
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:21,639
sort of rookie at the time.
You can quibble over they probably did give

907
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:23,559
up a hair too much for Donovan. I think it's just fair to say

908
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:28,159
that where it's like they've gotten away
with one less swap or did the swaps

909
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:31,800
need to be in there? But
I think the only thing to question in

910
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,159
retrospect is just sort of the Ricky
Rubio deal, and I hope his mental

911
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:38,199
health is okay, I want to
make that clear, but how much value

912
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,920
was he bringing to a roster that
really needed shooting? They do still need

913
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,920
some backup guard helps. I think
the deal is ultimately still fine for them,

914
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,920
and again I hope his mental health
is okay. We'll see if he

915
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,079
comes back with the team. What
is there to dislike? Actually dislike,

916
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:55,039
I'm gonna go a minus here just
because it's Oh, could they have figured

917
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:59,599
out a way to where they had
some like other wing options on this roster.

918
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:04,239
He's also we're going through their offseason
grades. They weren't viewed as like

919
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,320
a real suitor for Donovan Mitchell at
the time, so this wasn't baked in

920
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,599
to their plan. They were definitely
we saw them tangentially mentioned a couple times,

921
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:14,400
but they were not the team that
you thought was gonna come out of

922
01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:17,719
the woodwork and wind up acquiring him. Yeah, I think if I'm starting

923
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,559
from a B and you're starting lower
than me, and you're coming up that

924
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:22,840
high, I have to go to
an A, just a flat A,

925
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:29,400
because like it's Cleveland and Lebron James
is not there, so you're gonna have

926
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:32,079
to overpay a little bit to go
get someone like Mitchell. So I can't.

927
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,320
I can't, like, you know, knock him down to an A

928
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,480
minus because maybe it costs a little
too much. Yeah, I gotta just

929
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:42,440
go a. You got on in
the Mitchell. You elevated the sort of

930
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:45,679
you moved into another tier that you
just weren't in without him the year before.

931
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,559
So I feel good about just going
all the way up for them.

932
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:52,760
Let's move on to the Detroit Piston
too. His offseason, we were not

933
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,920
as kind too as we were this
past offseason. I can tell you that

934
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,119
I'm not even looking at our grades
right now, and I know we weren't

935
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:01,480
as kind. Be surprised. We're
pretty close. Oh really, okay,

936
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:06,239
So drafted Jay Nivy at number five, Corey Joseph and Hamadudillo picked up their

937
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:09,119
player options. They signed Marvin Badley
the third to a three or thirty seven

938
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:15,679
point five fully guaranteed deal. They
traded Jeremy Grant and numbered forty six to

939
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:21,119
Portland for number thirty six. Were
turned into Gabriel Prosida at the time Milwaukee's

940
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:23,239
twenty twenty five first that was top
four protected. I said it was top

941
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,800
five before, so I apologize,
and at twenty twenty six second round pick

942
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,360
most favorable of Portland or New Orleans, they acquired Jalen Durhan for Kema Walker

943
01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:37,679
and that Milwaukee twenty twenty five.
First, they acquired new Lands Noel al

944
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:42,320
Burke six million Cashromn Knicks A twenty
twenty three second, which was their own

945
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,639
A twenty twenty six second, it
will be their owner Minnesota's. That was

946
01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:47,599
just essentially be taken on the salary. They signed Kevin Knox to a two

947
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:52,239
year, six million dollars contract.
They resigned Rodney McGruder to a one year

948
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:58,079
veteran minimum. And I believe that
was the only those are the only noteworthy

949
01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:00,559
things that I miss anything there based
off what happened. They ended up trading

950
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:06,159
saban leeing. Oh, they ended
up trading saban Lee Kelly Olynnock to the

951
01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:08,039
Jazz for Boyon mcdonovitch. I can't
believe I missed that one. So that

952
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:14,360
game later, that game later,
Yeah, the last like they waved Kema

953
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,880
Walker, but we all know that
at this point. So you gave them

954
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:21,159
a B minus. I gave them
a B minus. Excuse me, you

955
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:22,800
gave them a B plus. Again, This was all before the boy On

956
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,960
mcdonovitch trade. What are your thoughts
now? Like kind of stepping back and

957
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:31,719
zooming out, This was a I
wonder how high I would have gotten them

958
01:02:32,199 --> 01:02:37,360
if the Bogdanovitch trade had happened when
we did this, I guess I would

959
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,000
have gone higher, although I don't
know. I could imagine myself saying,

960
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,119
why are they doing this? Where
are they adding a vet, you know,

961
01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:47,719
to this young team? I think
man, I might believe it.

962
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,159
Can I bring up an awkward question? Please? Do did you see enough

963
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:57,639
from Jay and Ivy as the season
wore on to say like this should have

964
01:02:57,679 --> 01:03:00,079
been a Shade and Sharp or Dyson
Daniel's team, or even the Galaxy Brain

965
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:04,840
thing we all Jale and Williams could
be honest and you're talking you look here,

966
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,400
you're talking to no. That is
where I was going is I'm sure

967
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:12,679
I was higher on Jade and Ivy
a year ago than I am now.

968
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:15,480
I don't know if that's fair,
just because you know, he's a rookie

969
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:19,440
point guard on a bad team,
like he's kind of just set up to

970
01:03:19,519 --> 01:03:22,480
fail. I do have more questions
about, you know, is he gonna

971
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,440
be able to shoot it? Can
he figure out what to do on defense?

972
01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:30,400
You know all that stuff that it's
a it's cool to have those questions

973
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:31,800
before a guy ever plays a game
as a rookie. But then when you

974
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,079
get through a year and you still
have them, and some of them are

975
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:38,239
more pronounced than they were, and
then Shaden Sharp is just sitting there's like,

976
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,840
oh yeah, this guy might have
it. I think that pick looks

977
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,639
a little worse, and I think
the Bagley deal looks just as horrible now

978
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:52,360
as it did then. I think, I'm but the Bogdanovich one isn't on

979
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:57,159
here. I think I'm gonna move
down. I'm gonna move it down to

980
01:03:57,239 --> 01:04:01,000
a B minus because I think the
Ivy pick doesn't look as good to me,

981
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,800
because I think the Bagley deal looks
has been confirmed as as bad as

982
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:13,400
expected. They just got they got
a first for Jeremy Grant essentially and a

983
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,960
thirty six and a couple of seconds
during I'm not sure about Yeah, I

984
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,800
don't know, Maybe just down to
a B. Maybe B minus is too

985
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:25,360
far. Where are you at?
The Marvin Bagley deal was dog shit at

986
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,360
the time. It's dog shit now
inexplicable. I just I don't like it.

987
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:33,480
I am higher on Jaen Durhan now
than I was before, and I

988
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:38,360
would actually say I'm higher on Jay
and Ivy now. What's that? Why?

989
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,519
Do you like Ivy better? Now? There's just way more feel there

990
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:44,280
than I thought when you're looking at
like the point guard him of what he

991
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,639
can do, and so like there
are gonna be questions about what's his efficiency

992
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:50,280
going to look like from the in
between range from three. I think that's

993
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:55,280
all fair when you watch him and
the decisions that he can make with his

994
01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,000
live dribble sometimes after he's leaving his
feet, I am, I don't know

995
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:02,719
if this is I will say I
don't know if this is the best team

996
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:08,000
for him because of now having not
just Kake Cunningham put a star Thompson there,

997
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,679
but the actual player. And this
is why I can't bring them all

998
01:05:11,679 --> 01:05:14,280
the way up to an A.
I'm gonna go to an A minut I'm

999
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:15,559
gonna go to a B plus for
the Rofs. I hate that Bagley deal,

1000
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,000
but I'm gonna go to a B
plus for the off season. I

1001
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:20,679
love the boy on my Danovitch deal
is a home run for them. Yeah,

1002
01:05:20,719 --> 01:05:25,920
to end up being mission critical when
you're talking about streamlining the development of

1003
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:30,440
these guys together, and I think
that Jade and Ivy pick most likely the

1004
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:33,000
only player I will say right now
too, there are three players that I

1005
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:38,320
there's really only two because I'm super
high on Usman Jang. I'm not going

1006
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,760
to throw him in this like the
players who you can look back and say,

1007
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,920
oh, maybe they should have taken
Shade and Sharp or should they have

1008
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,519
taken Dyson Daniels or John Williams.
Excuse me, and Jean Williams just wasn't

1009
01:05:48,679 --> 01:05:53,960
in the conversation for that, and
so I just I love Shade and Sharp.

1010
01:05:54,119 --> 01:05:56,599
But Jade and Ivy is going to
be the better passer. I don't

1011
01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:58,920
know what he's he is already the
better passer, Excuse me. I don't

1012
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,440
know who he's gonna look like on
the events. So I'm gonna bump them

1013
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,480
up to a B plus. I
couldn't even be talked into an A minus.

1014
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:08,920
I just don't I think they because
they I think they extracted pretty good

1015
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:14,679
value out of the Knicks for taking
on those salaries. I think they got

1016
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:18,360
like, I think they got good
value for Jeremy Grant just looking at the

1017
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,800
point he was at in his contract. Maybe you think they should have gotten

1018
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:26,519
a little more. So I'm gonna
go B plus here. Let's see why

1019
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,000
you made a good case. I
feel like it's weird that I because I

1020
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:33,119
think and I went up. Yeah, so much of my grade was based

1021
01:06:33,159 --> 01:06:38,800
on liking Ivy, and now I'm
if it's it's to be fair in the

1022
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,639
interest of fairness, if you're if
you're lower on Jay and Ivy, now

1023
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,320
like that would explain it. That's
not really. But the Boganovitch deal,

1024
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,519
I think is a plus. And
so does that counteract it? And should

1025
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:51,719
I just stay where I'm at?
I'll just go to a B so that

1026
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,199
way we're not, you know,
in lockstep as a B plus, because

1027
01:06:55,199 --> 01:06:57,719
if I stayed put, I'd be
at a B plus. Are you ready

1028
01:06:57,719 --> 01:07:00,239
to take us to the next team? Sure? That is the Indie Anna

1029
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,000
Pacers. You may recall the for
a hot second, they had DeAndre Ayton

1030
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:06,480
signed to a four year, one
hundred thirty three million dollars offer sheet,

1031
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:13,000
which Phoenix matched in a hot second. Two hot seconds. Benedict Matherin drafted

1032
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:17,079
number six, came out like Gangbusters
and cooled off quite a bit. Drafted

1033
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:23,320
Andrew Nimhard at thirty one. Holy
cow, we like that, four years,

1034
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:27,280
eight point six million for him.
Acquired Kendall Brown from Minnesota. Blah

1035
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,920
blah blah, and significant picked up
o shaper sets team option, signed Jalen

1036
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,360
smith Man. I was on Jalen
smith to a three or fifteen point one

1037
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:39,840
million dollar contract player option in twenty
four twenty five also guaranteed him a starting

1038
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:44,079
spot. That's fun got and then
they were on the other end of the

1039
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:48,079
Brogden trade we mentioned for the Celtics
acquiring Daniel Tye had two years left on

1040
01:07:48,119 --> 01:07:50,639
a deal at the time. Aaron
Nie Smith Malik Fits who was waved next

1041
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:55,559
to Awska's waved. Joan Morgan waved
and got Boston's twenty three first with top

1042
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:59,440
twelve protection. You're better at this
than I am. I don't know who

1043
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:04,639
that turned in to pick wise,
the pick from from the Celtics. Uh,

1044
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:09,840
that turned into is that Ben Shepherd? I think that turned into Sure,

1045
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,599
if I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty
sure it's Ben Shepherd, but I'll

1046
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:16,800
double check it is Ben Shephard number
twenty six. Amazing, glad I threw

1047
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,520
that to you. Let's see lost
a T. J. Warren who signed

1048
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:24,960
with Brooklyn. I think that's all
I got here. They signed James Johnson

1049
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:28,680
after we did it. If you
care, okay, and just for reference,

1050
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,479
you had Indies twenty twenty two offseason
as a C and I had it

1051
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:36,039
as a C. Plus, man, I don't I'm trying to think of

1052
01:08:36,119 --> 01:08:41,880
reasons to deviate here. Again,
I still think that DeAndre and offer sheet

1053
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,239
was too kind for an offer sheet, like they should have made it harder

1054
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,600
for Phoenix to match, but they
also kind of dodged a bullet there.

1055
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,039
Well that's the thing. Yeah,
Like I don't know how to evaluate that

1056
01:08:51,079 --> 01:08:54,800
because I don't know it was matching
no matter what, which is why I

1057
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,920
think they probably still should have been
like, hey, yeah, I mean

1058
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,520
that, and and then the weird
offer sheet trend really spiked this offseason and

1059
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:06,159
was not really in vogue last offseason. So yeah, I think I think

1060
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:13,199
Matherin at six is probably I mean, Sharp is right there. Again that's

1061
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:15,560
tough, but I mean Matherin started
out great and looks like he's gonna at

1062
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,920
least be a really good, you
know, high scoring six man. So

1063
01:09:19,079 --> 01:09:24,279
that's that's not a bad floor for
number six unless you're just like, unless

1064
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:27,760
you knew and nobody can claim this
that Shade and Sharp was just gonna be

1065
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,439
you know, have you know the
top three upside from that draft class.

1066
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,920
Maybe I think we knew that Jeremy
Sowan was gonna have cool hair and incredibly

1067
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,760
high NBA sailing, though forgot about
some one was there too. I'm kind

1068
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,960
of in, you're gonna need to
talk me up or down here, because

1069
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,560
I think I'm inclined to stick with
my C plus like good offseason above average

1070
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:51,159
didn't blow me away. I wonder
if you're are you coming up though,

1071
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:54,720
Yeah, I'm gonna come up to
a T plots just because I think then

1072
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:58,319
Andrew m hard Pick with a home
run. We'll see if that is like

1073
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,199
devalued at all, because now they
have Brown there and Benedick Mathern's gonna start,

1074
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:04,199
but he heals there, does his
role get pulled? TJ McConnell still

1075
01:10:04,199 --> 01:10:08,600
floating around here. I do wonder
if like they could have gotten better value

1076
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,239
for Malcolm Brogden, but his injury
history, Like there was a trade that

1077
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:15,319
was just scuttled because of like his
injury reports. So I'm thinking I don't

1078
01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:19,840
know enough about Ben Shephard to care
one way or the other. But you

1079
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,800
ended up with the number twenty six
pick. I think that's probably fine given

1080
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:27,880
what the league wide valuation of him, was it was like a maybe a

1081
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,079
slightly above average. I don't know. I'm not as high on Bennedick Mathren.

1082
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:32,640
I don't think that means he was
the wrong pick. He might be

1083
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,279
the right pick. And again,
you can't be like, well they could

1084
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:40,600
haved Jalalen Williams would have beenerfect.
Jeal Williams wasn't in the conversation like at

1085
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,840
that point, So and Jeremy so
In, could you have made that case

1086
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,119
Tyson Daniels. Sure, I don't
know the DeAndre In contract. I appreciate

1087
01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:49,439
their aggression. I think they should
have been more aggressive, but we already

1088
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:55,319
talked about did they sort of get
lucky that Phoenix matched there? It was

1089
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:59,960
an average too slightly above average offseason? If that to me? And look,

1090
01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:02,039
I think there's a world where you
could say no, like I really

1091
01:11:02,119 --> 01:11:05,319
believe that, like this should have
been a Shade and Sharp team, or

1092
01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:09,159
this should have been a Dice and
Daniels team, this should have been a

1093
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:12,880
Jeremy Sewin team. And especially given
their void on the wings at the time,

1094
01:11:13,159 --> 01:11:15,800
I think you could absolutely make that
case. Why are we we had

1095
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:20,079
Haliburton? Why was matherin the pick
here? So I think that's a conversation

1096
01:11:20,119 --> 01:11:24,520
to actually be had. But Matherin's
really good. And if you think he's

1097
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,840
gonna I don't know what he's gonna
be on defense, but if you just

1098
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,760
think the efficiency, I'm just convinced
is going to be fine when you're looking

1099
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,399
at some of the types of shots
he's taking. And if you're convinced that

1100
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,359
he's gonna become a better passer,
then he's that's gonna end up being like

1101
01:11:35,399 --> 01:11:39,399
he might just be better than Shaden
Sharp, Dyce and Daniels Jeremy Sewin anyway,

1102
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:41,560
And so it's the right pick.
Yeah, all right, so you're

1103
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,319
are you you're moving up to a
C plus with me basically because of Andrew

1104
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:50,359
Nemhard, who I'm just st with
number thirty one. Come on, that's

1105
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:56,600
really good value for him. Do
you want me to take us to the

1106
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,760
Milwaukee Bucks. I would love it. So the Milwaukee Bucks. I'm looking

1107
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,520
at the wrong document here wondering why
they're not there. They drafted Marjohn Bochamp

1108
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:09,199
at number twenty four. Pat Connaughton
picked up his player option and then extended

1109
01:12:09,239 --> 01:12:12,800
on a three year, twenty eight
point three million dollars deal. They resigned

1110
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,199
Javon Cardge with two years four point
three million dollar deal. He opted out

1111
01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:18,399
on the second year. They resigned
Wesley Matthews one year at the VET minimum,

1112
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,760
signed Joe Ingles to a one year
deal at the miniml They signed Bobby

1113
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,880
Portis to a four year forty eight
point six million dollars deal player option at

1114
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,000
the end, signed Searchibacca to a
one year deal at the Vets minimum.

1115
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:33,319
And they brought back Jordan Uara and
he was eventually traded, but they did

1116
01:12:33,359 --> 01:12:39,000
bring him back. Did I miss
anything after this happened? I think you're

1117
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:41,600
good there? Yeah, recent portists, Yeah, I think we're I think

1118
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,479
we got all the all the significant
stuff because they had Tanasis was already under

1119
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:46,359
contract, right, didn't need to
resign him. Yeah. Yeah, they

1120
01:12:46,399 --> 01:12:50,359
resign him this off this past off
season. So we hit everything that was

1121
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:55,479
important and I gave them first time
around a B. You gave them a

1122
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,840
C minus. We differentiated here a
good amount. That's a big one.

1123
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,560
I think I'm going through trying to
remember my thought process. I can imagine

1124
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:08,279
myself saying one missing that Javon Carter
was gonna be as good as he was,

1125
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:15,279
but thinking you had this big issue
with your fifth starter slash closer for

1126
01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:17,640
a team that's trying to win a
title, and your answer was, let's

1127
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,239
bring in Joe Ingles, who's gonna
miss a chunk of the season. And

1128
01:13:20,319 --> 01:13:25,960
then, yeah, this is definitely
what I thought. He's not someone I

1129
01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:29,720
got just like listening to echoes of
my own dumb thoughts in my brain.

1130
01:13:30,279 --> 01:13:33,039
I'm sure that I thought Ingles,
and I generally like Ingles, but coming

1131
01:13:33,079 --> 01:13:36,920
off the ACL being someone that you, yeah, you can run some pick

1132
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,520
and rolls with him, he's a
good shooter. I didn't see him being

1133
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:45,760
good enough defensively and with the injury
and the age to like, this is

1134
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,439
our guy. This is the guy
that's going to be out there with Joannis

1135
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,800
and Drew and Chris Middleton and Lopez
in the games that matter, which will

1136
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,600
be in the finals, because I
think I probably also picked the Bucks to

1137
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,800
at least make the finals or win
the title. And I didn't love going

1138
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:01,880
into a season using the mini mL
E on Ingles and then having West Matthews

1139
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:06,880
kind of be your fallback there and
banking on Conaton maybe being good enough to

1140
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:12,680
handle that role. Probably didn't like
the Bobby Portis steal either. But C

1141
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,159
minus seems harsh because this is without
looking back at well, who were their

1142
01:14:15,159 --> 01:14:20,479
alternatives to Joe Ingles? I don't
know. I well, let me ask

1143
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:25,560
you before I go. You're at
a B that's pretty high. Are you

1144
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,479
inclined to move that one way or
the other? I can't imagine you're moving

1145
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,840
it up, No, I think
Look, Bobby Portis, I think has

1146
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,920
improved incrementally as a switch defender over
the past couple of years, which I

1147
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:38,520
think makes his contract look a little
bit better. But you know, the

1148
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,279
mini ema leaving with Joe Ingles,
I think that was the move that I

1149
01:14:41,359 --> 01:14:43,800
fell in love with. Then it
gave me pause, who else are they

1150
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,720
going to get with that money?
In retrospect now? And he ended up

1151
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,319
being fine for them. The West
Matthews signing probably ended up being more important

1152
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:55,520
than even we expected at the time
for them. I don't know what aged

1153
01:14:55,640 --> 01:15:00,119
poorly here. Maybe the Pat Connaughton
extension a little bit. We don't have

1154
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:02,800
a ton of like we don't have
a ton of knowledge on Marjan bow Champ,

1155
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,479
but he really showed flashes. Its
just someone who knows where to be

1156
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:10,319
when he's getting out in transition.
And who can hold up defensively for it

1157
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,520
was only certain possessions. I don't
know. You know, does that make

1158
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:17,439
him the right pick at number twenty
four? Like did you want Nikola Yovich?

1159
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:21,760
Did you want Peyton Watson, Patrick
Balwin Junior? I mean like Blake

1160
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,640
Wesley from the Spurs, who's speed
demon, but he's not too efficient.

1161
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:29,319
It's the probably made the right pick
at number twenty four unless you know what

1162
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,640
this team? You know what this
team actually could really use who they could

1163
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:35,199
really use? Excuse me, they
could probably really use the answering them hard?

1164
01:15:38,399 --> 01:15:41,840
So did what did they miss on
last offseason? I might be inclined

1165
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,479
to just I might bring this up
to a BL like they missed on Searchebacca,

1166
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,960
but it's a minimum and he wasn't
happy there. Yeah, I'm gonna

1167
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,479
bring this up to a B plus. It's just I think if you want

1168
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:55,680
to criticize them, it should they
have made the Mike Budenholzer decision then,

1169
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,159
But why would you have, Like
you need to get that you were coming

1170
01:15:58,199 --> 01:16:00,479
off like that was the one you
didn't win a title that past season,

1171
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,800
but you want it the previous season, Like what else were you supposed to

1172
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:09,359
do here, like and let you
have to believe that the Pat Connaton or

1173
01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:12,520
Bobby Porter's deals are a disaster,
and I just don't think they are because

1174
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,399
they need salary matching fodder for trades. Just that' does a baseline. I

1175
01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:19,079
don't even talking about their value on
the court or could they have done better

1176
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:25,000
with the Mini mL E than Joe
Ingles. Yeah, I think I don't

1177
01:16:25,039 --> 01:16:27,920
think I maybe no, I'm going
to leave it as a C minus.

1178
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:33,840
And the thinking is just that the
like my you're the standard is really high

1179
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:39,760
when you're a team in the bucks
sphere where you're you're trying to win a

1180
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,840
title, and that's it. And
I guess again, like I wish I

1181
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,079
could remember all that I thought at
the time, but like just thinking,

1182
01:16:46,119 --> 01:16:49,359
you've got a clear need, I
mean, which is exacerbated on the wing

1183
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,920
because you know, Chris Middleton's gonna
miss a bunch of time to start the

1184
01:16:53,039 --> 01:16:55,640
year and may not be healthy until
at the very end, if at all,

1185
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,399
and they just it'd be a little
bit like if the Calves this past

1186
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,760
offseason had just not gone and signed, gone and found Max Strus and had

1187
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:08,359
just run it back essentially with you
know, the collection of wings that were

1188
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:13,720
not good enough to complement their other
four good starters. So I'm gonna stay

1189
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:18,319
where I'm at A as a C
minus. Yeah, because I just in

1190
01:17:18,399 --> 01:17:20,760
hindsight, it's not like looking back
at any of these it's like, oh

1191
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,960
man, that really worked out way
better than I thought it. If anything,

1192
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,880
all of them other than Carter,
the rest of the moves they made,

1193
01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:31,199
you know, were what I thought
they would be, or turned out

1194
01:17:31,279 --> 01:17:35,159
worse, I would say, so
I'm gonna bratchet them up to a B

1195
01:17:35,279 --> 01:17:38,239
plush just because I think, look, you can talk about the lack of

1196
01:17:38,279 --> 01:17:42,399
athleticism around Yannis. Still again,
what were they supposed to do with the

1197
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:47,479
tools available to them? I will
quick fire this just going alphabetically through all

1198
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,359
the teams in the East. The
Atlanta Hawks, we both gave them a

1199
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:55,239
B minus. We stuck with B
minuses for them. The Boston Celtics,

1200
01:17:55,319 --> 01:17:58,880
we both gave them as we dropped, both of us drop them down to

1201
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,359
A minuses. The Brooklyn Nets,
I gave them a D plus. Initially

1202
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,399
you gave them a C minus.
I stuck with a D plus. You

1203
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:08,600
went down to a D. The
Charlotte Hornets, we both gave them D

1204
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:13,199
pluses. We stuck with those d
pluses. The Chicago Bulls, I gave

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01:18:13,239 --> 01:18:15,920
them a B minus, you gave
them a B. We both stayed the

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01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,319
same. I have a B minus, you have a B. The Cleveland

1207
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:21,319
Cavaliers I gave a C, you
gave a B. It was pre Donovan

1208
01:18:21,359 --> 01:18:25,399
Mitchell trade. I bumped them up
to an A minus. You bumped them

1209
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,960
up to an A. The Detroit
Pistons I had as a B minus,

1210
01:18:29,079 --> 01:18:31,479
you had as a B plus.
This was pre Boyan mcdonovitch trade. I

1211
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,239
bumped them up to a B plus. You dropped them down to a B.

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01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:39,159
That was a funny one. Uh. The Indiana Pacers, I gave

1213
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:42,359
them a C. You gave them
a C plus. I bumped them up

1214
01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:45,159
to a C plus. Did you
drop them down to a C because that's

1215
01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:47,039
what I have listed? Yeah,
sure, let's go with that. Uh.

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01:18:47,279 --> 01:18:50,279
The Miami Heat, I gave them
a B minus. You gave them

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01:18:50,319 --> 01:18:54,479
a C minus. We both bumped
them up to a B. The Milwaukee

1218
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,479
Bucks, I gave a B,
you gave a C minus. I bumped

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01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,439
them up to a B plus.
You gave them a C. Minu again,

1220
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,560
the New York Knicks. We both
gave them C minuses. I gave

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01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,000
them an A minus. You gave
them an A. Kudos to you.

1222
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:09,359
The Orlando Magic I gave them an
A minus. You gave them a B

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01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,920
plus. I bumped it up to
an A. You bumped yours up to

1224
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,760
an A minus. The Philadelphia seventy
six Ers received a's from the both of

1225
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,760
us. I dropped them down to
a B plus. You dropped them down

1226
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:23,439
to a B. The Toronto Raptors, I gave them a B plus.

1227
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,720
You gave them a B. I
dropped them down to a C minus.

1228
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,720
You dropped them down to a C. The Washington Wizards, I gave them

1229
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,960
a D plus. You gave them
a D. We both gave them F

1230
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:39,880
times infinity minuses. That's the only
one I feel sure about. We will

1231
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,479
get to the West eventually, or
depending on when I published the East,

1232
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,079
we will absolutely the West might be
out as you're listening to this, who

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01:19:46,119 --> 01:19:50,960
knows very quickly though, Grant,
Are you ready for the debut of our

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01:19:51,039 --> 01:19:57,239
new segment, Yes, so ready, Dan. It is called drumroll please

1235
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,000
garbage time, where we're just gonna
go through some qui fire questions. I

1236
01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:02,880
have a couple this time. I
don't know if you have any There are

1237
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:08,439
quizzes there would you rather their factor
caps? And I'm saying that because I

1238
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:13,119
have a factor cap for grant.
Are you ready? I'm ready for the

1239
01:20:13,159 --> 01:20:16,840
first one. This one, it's
it's gonna be a quiz and I'm excited

1240
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:23,920
about it. Which NBA player has
more career forty point games? Allen Iverson

1241
01:20:24,199 --> 01:20:33,640
or Lebron James. It's gotta be
Lebron seventy four, Stephen Curry or Damian

1242
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:40,840
Lillard. Dame, it's Stephen Curry. Wow o two. Now see,

1243
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,479
I want to tell you what happened
there. See I overthought the first one,

1244
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,319
and so then I double overthought the
second one because it's like, if

1245
01:20:46,359 --> 01:20:49,359
he's asking me, it's gotta be
the anyway. So this is me blowing

1246
01:20:49,399 --> 01:20:55,199
it. Go ahead, Kevin Durant
or Oscar Robinson? Come on, first

1247
01:20:55,239 --> 01:20:58,039
of all, it's Oscar Robertson.
Do I get credit for at least knowing

1248
01:20:58,119 --> 01:21:00,960
that? You know? Yeah,
seventy seven sixty five. I'll give you

1249
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:08,000
credit for that one. Janna's attent
to Kompo or Shaquille O'Neal. Oh golly,

1250
01:21:11,119 --> 01:21:14,840
this pause. You literally just said, golly, I just got terrible.

1251
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,560
I know this is what you've got. I'm on tilt right now because

1252
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:23,960
I uh, it better be Shack. It is Shack forty nine to forty

1253
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:30,159
one. Dwayne Wade or Kyrie Irving. I'm gonna say Wade, yes,

1254
01:21:30,279 --> 01:21:34,720
thirty four to thirty one. Devin
Booker or Jason Tatum? How on brand

1255
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:38,640
is this? Can we just go
with seventy point games? That's easier.

1256
01:21:40,199 --> 01:21:45,760
I'm gonna take Tatum. It's Devin
Booker twenty five to twenty two. Carmelo

1257
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:50,920
Anthony or Joel and Bead. Oh, I'm gonna have to go. I'm

1258
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:55,479
gonna say Mellow just because he's probably
played like twelve times as many games as

1259
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,199
in bead career. Right, But
Joel and beat us thirty nine forty point

1260
01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:01,760
games, Mellow has thirty six.
NICOLEA. Yokich or Kway Thompson. Ooh

1261
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:09,239
uh, I'm gonna say Yoki.
It is Kway Thompson eighteen to seventeen.

1262
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,800
These are so close. I'm not
gonna know these. This one's great.

1263
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:23,119
Julius Irving or Julius Randall. Uh
do aba games count? Is that factored

1264
01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:25,920
inn? Or is this NBA only. It's NBA only. All right,

1265
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,239
Well, I'm gonna say Julius Randall
just because it seems impossible. Ten to

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01:22:29,359 --> 01:22:32,079
nine, Yeah, Julius Randall.
Finally, Paul George or Zach Lavine.

1267
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:38,399
H. I'm gonna go with Lavine. It's Paul George. You were wrong

1268
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:42,199
twenty one twenty what's my hit right
there? That's not good? Well,

1269
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,720
the counter will show it when I
actually published, like the Schwortz video of

1270
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,840
it. But that was it?
Wow, you must so let's make you

1271
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:55,760
feel better about yourself. Okay.
Would you rather Grant take an elbow from

1272
01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:01,920
Prime Shack or take a charge in
transition from Zion Williams H. I think

1273
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:06,239
I'm gonna take the charge from Zion. The elbow from Prime Shack. I

1274
01:23:06,319 --> 01:23:11,640
feel like you would just be in
surgery for a significant amount of time.

1275
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:18,039
I'm not comfortable with that. NBA
factor tap Desmond Baine will finish his career

1276
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:23,039
with more All Star appearances than Zach
Lavine does. Oh do I get to

1277
01:23:23,079 --> 01:23:26,119
ask you how many All Star Games
Zach Lavine has made? He has made

1278
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:30,279
two. I'm gonna say that is
fact. I think Desmond Baine will make

1279
01:23:30,319 --> 01:23:32,960
at least three. That's impressive because
the West is so tough. I don't

1280
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,000
really know where I land on that, so I'm just gonna let you stand

1281
01:23:35,039 --> 01:23:40,560
alone there. That is all.
That is all I have for you this

1282
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:44,359
time, because we were doing so
much today. Did you have any Unfortunately

1283
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:47,319
I don't, so you're probably gonna
have to edit this out. Do you

1284
01:23:47,399 --> 01:23:51,399
want to take us out of here? Sure? Sorry? Man, everybody,

1285
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:55,279
thank you for listening to the first
of it. What will be a

1286
01:23:55,359 --> 01:23:59,640
couple of previews here will our regrade
re regrades, that's what we should call

1287
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:03,640
it. Because that was fun.
And if you have not already rated,

1288
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:08,199
reviewed, subscribed, liked, followed
all of the various things you can do

1289
01:24:08,279 --> 01:24:12,479
to support the podcast, please do
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1290
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,119
about it, tell your enemies about
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1291
01:24:15,239 --> 01:24:19,279
to which is in the podcast description
and I think the YouTube description. Join

1292
01:24:19,359 --> 01:24:24,479
our discord where certainly as the season
gets going, that will will be much

1293
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,159
more active in there. Still getting
lots of good questions, lots of good

1294
01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:30,279
topics of discussion in there. Trying
to think what else I missed, submit

1295
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,760
garbage time topics. If you love
Grant and I don't have to be the

1296
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:36,399
only ones coming up with this.
I'll start a garbage time room in there,

1297
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:40,039
so if you want us to cover
anything in garbage time, let us

1298
01:24:40,079 --> 01:24:42,920
know that's probably the place to do
it. You can you can definitely tweet

1299
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,319
at us at Hardwood Knox. We
are also at Hardwood Knocks on TikTok,

1300
01:24:45,319 --> 01:24:50,520
hard Underscore Knox on Instagram. Uh, leave it, leave garbage time suggestions

1301
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:55,039
in the YouTube comments wherever, but
discord would be good. I think that

1302
01:24:55,159 --> 01:24:59,279
covers everything. Thanks again, and
we close, as always with a shout

1303
01:24:59,319 --> 01:25:10,560
out to the one on with Frank
Kinkina an apologies to jaredih Hm