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Today, I want to tell you
about a journey that I've been on for

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most of my life. Ever since
I was a kid, I've heard tales

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of bigfoot and wild men while spending
time with my friends and family. As

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I grew older and read more about
the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and

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other things strange only deepened. That's
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Hey everybody, this is left Strive. Yes, yes, I know aka

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Survivor Man, and you're listening to
Brian on Sasquatch Outisen. Hey Darreon,

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welcome back to sasquatch Us. Thank
you so much for joining me for the

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show. It is Friday. I
hope you're having a great weekend. We

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have an amazing guest lined up.
But as always, I want to start

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the show by inviting you. If
you've had an encounter and you'd like to

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be on the show, shoot me
an email you get me a Brian Apparentabworldproductions

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dot com. Can head over to
the website, check it out, become

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a member there and help support the
show. As I said, we've got

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a great guest lined up on the
show. I got to sit down and

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talk to Alex from Kansas, and
Alex had some really interesting experiences while he

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was out camping with some of his
buddies. I let Alex get into all

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of that. But one of the
things that came up during this interview is

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something that we've not really talked a
whole lot about on the show, but

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it is often a topic of conversation
when you're talking about cryptid encounters, particularly

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with Bigfoot, and that is whether
somebody has had drugs or alcohol or maybe

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under the influence of anything really when
they have their experience. And that's something

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that comes up in this case.
And I really struggled with putting it out

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there because I had no idea that
it was even on board until we were

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already full on into the interview.
Because Alex and I didn't talk about that

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ahead of time. We had to
address it in real time when it came

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up, and I asked them the
questions because just like me, when you

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hear the story, you're going to
ask those kind of questions. And I

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think it's important for us to have
an open and honest dialogue about that.

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And I'll be honest with you,
I'm a totality of the circumstances kind of

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person when it comes to these kind
of encounters. I'll let you decide once

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you hear Alex's story, tell me
what you think about that. You can

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send me an email Brian at Paranormoworldproductions
dot com. I'd like to know what

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you think if somebody has had a
few beers or they've smoked the joint and

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they have some kind of experience,
whether they hear something, see something,

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experience something. Is that enough for
us to completely throw out the encounter totally

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and just chalk it up to some
sort of hallucination because of the drugs or

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alcohol. Or do we take it
in as data and look at the totality

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of the circumstances to make an honest
judgment on their claims. What say you

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send me an email and let me
know. But enough of that. Alex

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is on the line and he's ready
to go, So it's time for you

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to sit back, relax, and
enjoy the show. Well, welcome Brck

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yesterday the show. It is Alex
from Kansas. Welcome to the show.

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Alex. Hey, Brian, it's
great to be here. I'm glad to

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have you. Let's get right into
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What guy you interested in the subject? To begin with? Growing up,

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I'm pretty young. I'm twenty three
in a couple months, so I

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don't have a lot of life's history
to go off of. I always had

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heard about bigfooty from TV shows,
movies, cartoons, and I always thought

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maybe there is truth behind it.
Maybe there isn't. For the longest time

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I was I got to see it
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a lot of people are like that, So I just assumed when they find

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a body or catch it or get
video evidence or picture evidence that's not from

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what is it the nineteen sixties or
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With the Internet and deep fakes and
all that stuff, there's so many look

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at this, it's real, and
then you just look in the comments sense

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that's not real. Here's where they
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wasn't real. The only thing I
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without seeing was really aliens. Because
my dad, he's very wise, so

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he's in his sixties. I was
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says it's real, then it's real. His favorite motto or saying is the

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devil knows more because he's older,
not because he's the devil. And so

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with his age, I just confidently
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aliens where I know it's real without
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just look at the facts, look
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Over hundreds of years, all throughout
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out there, but with Bigfoot YETI
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that I can nail off the top
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the dog man, all those things
I haven't really seen. Those aren't really

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in the spotlight. Like aliens.
You go anywhere in the world. You

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just asked, Oh, aliens,
anyone's gonna know. But you ask anyone

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bigfoot locking sponsor, they're gonna say, what are you talking about? What's

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wrong with you? And I didn't
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was out there until last September twenty
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my friends that for the longest time, I couldn't explain it. I couldn't

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add logic and reasoning to it.
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one of them right off the bat, did not believe it. No,

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that's not it. You're being ridiculous. Don't tell people you saw that.

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People are going to think we're weird. And my other buddy I was with,

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he was in between me and him. Oh, I don't know what

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it was, but we didn't see
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tails of it. And then me, I was the first person to hear

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everything, so I believed what I
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And then for the longest time,
when I was in that phase of I

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don't know what happened, I don't
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into it, what animal in that
area? And then I see list of

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small animals, and maybe it's one
of these. Maybe it was a couple

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of them. Let's look into it. Nothing panned out, nothing came of

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it, and I thought, well, maybe it was someone playing a joke.

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Maybe someone was playing a joke.
More would have been done, you

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know what I mean. People,
if they were gonna commit that hard,

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they're gonna commit all the way.
They're gonna play with the tent zipper,

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they're gonna move your stuff around,
They're gonna mess with you. If they're

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gonna mess with you, they're gonna
mess with you. And then I started

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looking on YouTube. Actually is what
got me into the podcast world. First

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was I looked up weird sounds in
the forest, weird sounds here, giant

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steps taken around campsites or stuff like
that, and everything that came up was

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bigfoot related, and so I thought, I didn't see a bigfoot. There's

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no way, it's not real.
How can this be? And I play

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a couple podcasts, a couple YouTube
video, a couple people talking. That's

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when I first got introduced on YouTube
survivor Man and then all those people.

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I was like, huh, well, you know what these sounds make the

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sound that I heard, And then
oh I listened and they go, Okay,

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that checks out. What about the
sound. And then I find a

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different TV show or podcast or YouTube
video and they describe the same They can't

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make the sound, but they've described
the same exact sound that I heard,

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And I go, you know what, I'm gonna look into it more.

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And then I found podcasts like Bigfoot
Society, I found podcasts like yours.

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I was like, you know what
I think it was. I think it

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might have At the most it might
have been. When I always tell people

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like, if you can prove me
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then good, then great. But
if you can't, if you can't tell

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me what it was, and you're
an experienced hunter, you camp every weekend

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and you can't tell me what it
was, then I'm glad to believe otherwise.

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So starting with the experience, I'm
going to start from when we got

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there to the morning we left.
Because it was only about we cut it

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early, so instead of being there
for four days, we're only there for

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I think maybe a day and a
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I said, me and my two
friends, we decided to go camping,

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a guys trip. We're all twenty
one, we're all finally twenty one.

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You know how guys are when they're
twenty one. They want to feel tough,

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they want to go out into the
wild, put some hair on their

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chest. And so we make the
plan. We get everything and we go

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camping, and we get to our
campsite pre normal day. We go,

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we set up, We walk around
and I scope the area, just because

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I'm a little hesitant to go camping. I have never truly gone camping before

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then, so I thought, I
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There's probably nothing, but if there's
weirdos out there, because whenever I leave

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the house, I'm more afraid of
the people out in the world, not

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the animals or the other stuff.
The people are the real danger. We

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walk around, we collect some firewood, and our campsite The way it was

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laid out is it's the little drive, like the little pavement area, and

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then right behind that it was like
the camp table, and then the actual

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tent plot where we put our tent. So that's all kind of set in

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a rectangular shape. We set up
and we look around and right behind us

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making a half circle around the campsite, and what separates the campsites from the

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other campsites is like a thin tree
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line. And then past the eight
foot tree line is clearing the big open

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field clearing. There's nothing there.
It's surrounded by trees. So we're like,

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oh, that's amazing. We should
that's amazing. That looks beautiful out

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there. We don't see stuff like
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little city. And so we set
up and we're just relaxing, shooting the

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breeze. It's getting late, so
we decide let's make the fire. Since

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we had never gone camping, we
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putting little sticks in our fire pit, and so of course the fire six

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didn't last nothing. They lasted right
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dark, that's when we were like, okay, we all noticed that fire

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is going down. Who's gonna offer
to go find sticks? We're sitting there,

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fires going down, and we noticed
that the campsite next to us,

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probably about after that eight foot tree
line, probably maybe ten feet out is

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another campsite, and a couple and
a dog are coming in, and we

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thought that's weird. They're just getting
here and it's already dark September. The

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sun doesn't go down until about oh
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or eight. We just thought that
was odd that they were getting there that

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late. They have a dog,
and the dog just like barking like crazy.

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The dog's freaking out towards the tree
line, towards the clearing, and

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we're like, huh, that's weird. We thought he was smelling us,

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if something, because the day before, on the drives there, we were

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smoking a little bit. We got
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celebrating, Oh we did it.
We made it to the campsite.

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So we were like, oh man, we're gonna get busted. That's what

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this is. The dog's freaking out, he smells what we have. We're

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gonna get busted. And the owner, the guy and the wife They're like,

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get back here, come on,
get back, and they get the

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dog back. So they put it
in their I think their truck or in

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their tent as to not bother people. So that happens, and we write

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it off the dogs being a dog. We're not going to think anything of

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it. And then after that,
my two friends they decide together that they're

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gonna go flying wood, and I'm
gonna be in charge of the fire.

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Right there, I had no say. They just decided, you stay here,

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keep the fire going. We're gonna
go out into the darkness and find

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sticks, and we're gonna take the
car. So good luck have at it.

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Just keep it going, don't let
it die. And so as soon

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as they maybe three minutes after they
drive off, the fire is getting low.

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I'm adding anything i can. I'm
taking the cardboard off the soda boxes.

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I'm taking paper we have, I'm
putting any kind of sticks and twigs

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because it's pitch black out there,
and we have maybe three flashlights, a

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small handheld axe, and a couple
pocket knives. And I say to myself,

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I'm not going where the firelight doesn't
touch. Because I've seen all the

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movies. I'm not doing it.
I'm putting stuff in it, trying to

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keep it going. It's dwindling more
and more by the second. I'm getting

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nervous, and all of a sudden
in the clearing, I start hearing like

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this one loud, gutteral noise.
I don't know how. I guess it's

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like intuition. But you know how
big something is for how loud it is.

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If you heard cow's MoU you would
know, well, you can tell

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that's a big animal because only a
big animal can make a big noise like

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that. Because their lungs are bigger, they can hold it for longer,

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they can get it louder. And
I start thinking like, oh man,

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that's so weird. This is really
making me uncomfortabent. I don't know if

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it was getting closer or if it
was getting louder, but I was hearing

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it like more and more. I
was like, about probably three minutes into

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listening to that, I'm freaking out
because my friends aren't here. I don't

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know what happened, but the dog
is just silent now, not making any

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noise, and I'm like, what
the heck? Why is it? He

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was just going crazy ten twenty minutes
ago. Now he's just asleep. When

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the noise, I'm hearing it more. I'm hearing it more, and so

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I start to panic because I don't
have anything. We didn't have guns,

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we didn't take anything to really protect
ourselves from anything, because we didn't expect

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that we would need to p tack
ourselves. So I'm freaking out trying to

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keep it together, and every time
I hear it, I'm freaking out even

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more so. I actually I called
my wife and I told her, hey,

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my friends are gone. They went
to go find wood. There's something

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big, like thirty feet from my
tent, and I'm scared. And you

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know, at the time, we
had two roommates. And on the phone,

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I hear everyone. They're laughing because
they think I'm playing a joke on

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them, because you know, I
try to be funny sometimes and they thought

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I was joking. So they're laughing. They're laughing their asses off. They

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think it's funny, and I go, this might be the last time I

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talk to you, So I don't
know what this is. The adrenaline and

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the fear is just pumping. I
hang up because they don't believe me.

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They think I'm fooling them, So
I call my two friends and I go,

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you guys need to get back here. Now, there's something here,

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and they're like, what are you
talking about? And they know there's something.

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I don't know how much more descriptive
I can be. There's something big

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here and you're not. So you
need to come back here because whatever it

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is, I'm not gonna fight it
or get killed by it alone. You're

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here too, you guys die with
me, the type of thing. So

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they come back, literally, maybe
not even five minutes later. They get

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back, so they were like,
I don't know, I guess they were

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close or they were speeding, but
they got back pretty quick. And when

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they get back, the headlights shine
into the clearing. We can't see past

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the trees with the headlights because the
trees really do a good job of blocking

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out the light, and so we
didn't see anything. They pull up and

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the noise is still going, and
I go, what the hell. Why

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if it was a regular animal,
the noise of the car and the headlights,

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I would I saw it would scare
it off. And at the time,

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I'm not a hunter. I don't
do that kind of stuff, so

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I couldn't tell you, like,
oh, if it was a deer,

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this is how it would behave,
or if it was a raccoon or a

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coyote, this is how it would
behave. So we were very unexperienced that

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wildlife knowledge. And it's still going. So one friend takes the wood put

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in the fire and I grab my
other friend, who does not believe it

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at all. He doesn't buy it. I told him, hey, come

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here, look listen, and we
hear it again, loud, big noise,

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and we're like, He's like,
no, it's a cow. It's

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a cow. Watch this, and
he tries to make it into a moo.

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And I look at him. I
go, I've heard moos. That

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is not a moo. And I
don't know about you. I'm not the

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smartest person. I didn't go to
college, but I don't think I need

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to go to school to know that
cows don't live in the forest. Cows

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don't live in the forest. Animals
with hooves can't even cross train tracks.

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I know that much. They'll break
their ankle or their leg. So I

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doubt they're gonna trek through forest and
find a random clearing and just go up

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to people and the noise. Man, I'm gonna try. I can I

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want to try and remake it.
It's gonna sound it might sound a little

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goof like lit goofy. But I've
explained the noise to so many people and

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they're like, huh, I don't
know. Maybe it was a giant owl,

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or maybe it was a giant wolf
or something. I go, is

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it really easier to think it was
a mutated animal than just saying, oh,

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maybe it was a sasquatch. It
was like a mix between a cross

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between a howl because it was long. It was long as a howl,

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but deep, I want to say
deep, like a bison. It was

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like a ooh like that, and
it was longer. I can't hold I

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can't hold it that long. But
it was probably like like a ten or

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fifteen second long noise. And it
was like I say this, if you

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close your eyes and you're facing someone's
back and they start talking, versus if

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you have your client is still closed
and they face you and start talking,

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it sounds different. Okay, the
sounds traveling opposite direction versus sound is traveling

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my direction. I was getting the
intuition that it was facing us. It

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almost felt like it was making the
noise at us specifically, because I'll admit

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it. We were being loud.
We were playing music loud the whole day.

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We were really like, I don't
say, disrupting the piece, but

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there wasn't noise. And then we
show up and there's a ton of noise,

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and then three twenty one year old
guys like we think we're tough,

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we're walking tall, like confident.
Something would pick up, like, oh,

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there's three young males that entered the
area. This is my area.

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I need to let them know that
this is my area. And those noises.

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I tried to explain to him,
Listen, dude, I've never heard

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that before ever. I don't know
what kind of cows you been hanging around,

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but cows don't make that sound for
that long, and why would they

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be in the forest. And he
calmed me down. He was like,

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listen, it's nothing. You're free
peaking out. Relax. You're just scared

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because we're camping and you're not used
to it. Just relax and stay tuned

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for more sasquat job to see.
We'll be right back after these messages.

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I go, Okay, maybe you're
right, maybe I'm just looking into things.

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Maybe it is nothing. We relax, we sit down, but it's

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probably about from when the people next
to us got there and from when they

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got back. That whole time probably
took maybe thirty minutes, so it's probably

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about there's probably like nine thirty or
ten thirty, because we just we weren't

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looking at our phones. We didn't
have good receptions, so we weren't really

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keeping track of time. But the
feeling, like the tiredness I was feeling

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or we were feeling, was that
time like getting close to when we go

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to sleep, but we're staying up
late, So it's probably about I'd say

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confidantly, maybe ten o'clock is when
it ended. And we're sitting down by

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the fire, we're just talking,
relaxing. I'm still a little like I

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didn't like that noise. It made
me really uncomfortable. But there's three of

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us. There's three dudes. If
it was a person, no one's got

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just randomly messed with three dudes.
They got back once there was all of

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us there again, the noise is
stopped, so I was like, oh,

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okay, there's probably nothing we eat, and my friend decides, you

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know, let's celebrate, let's smoke
before we go to bed. So we

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swept a little bit before we went
to bed, and at this time it

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was probably about eleven thirty, so
we went to bed still pretty early for

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us. It was pretty early.
So we go to bed, We all

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settle into our tent, and we
go to bed. We all slept in

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the same tent because I bought I
was really excited to go camping, so

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I bought an eight person tent for
three dudes. I didn't want to tell

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people, Oh yeah, we all
slept in a one person tent, was

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right next to each other. I
got an eight person tent, and it

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was a pretty big tent. Off
the top of my head, I don't

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know the diameter, the numbers of
it, the dimensions, but it was

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a good sized tent. It took
up the whole plot. So the way

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we had it set up was my
side was the far left side of the

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tent, and we slept long ways, and my side was closest to the

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tree line where I heard those noises, so I was right there. My

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not so skeptical friend was to the
right of me, and then my very

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skeptical friend was the farthest from me. I'm trying not to use their names

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because they won't admit that something happened. I out of respect for them,

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I'm just trying to like, I
don't want them to come across this podcast.

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So we're sleeping, we passed out, and we wake up. Oh

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man, it was late, because
you can feel like when you wake up

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late, Oh why did I just
wake up? I'm gonna go back to

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bed. When I think about it, it was probably I would have to

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say between three and four am,
because it was pitch black. The fire

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was completely gone. We put it
out a little bit, but we left

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embers going. I know you shouldn't
do that. We just we left the

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little embers going. And by the
time we woke up, there was everything

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was asleep, dead, quiet everything. And I wake up and I'm facing

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the middle guy and he's facing We
all slept facing each other's heads, and

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so I woke up and I hear
steps and I go first. I played

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off because I'm like, oh,
one of the guys. But the more

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I open my eyes, I see
you're there, and he's there. Obviously

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I'm here. What is this noise? And so I listened more. I'm

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just laying there listening, looking at
my friends, hoping that they'll wake up

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too, and maybe the noise they
make from waking up will scare whatever it

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is off, whatever animal. So
I'm facing them and I hear these steps,

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and at first I'm not thinking anything
of it because it sounds like it's

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in the that eight foot tree line
that blocking us from the clearing, and

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so I'm writing it off and I'm
like, oh, it's nothing, but

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I keep listening and it comes out
of the tree line. I can hear

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because I can tell, okay,
it was making all the rustling noise and

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now it's just it sounds like dirt
exactly where our tend is, and I

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go, oh, crap, it's
right there. Before I can think of

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anything else, it circled the tent. And what's crazy is that it circled

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the eight person tent from the point
it emerged all the way around back to

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where it emerged. It circled it
in five steps, and I could hear.

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I was listening to each step,
and it wasn't like how a four

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legged animal walks where goes one two
front legs, back legs. It was

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like there was rhythm, like comfortable, like definitely bipedal step step back to

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where it was. And at first
I don't think anything's oh cool, whatever

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it is circled the tent. I
go. It just took five steps and

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it circled the tent. It would
probably take me, I'm six feet tall.

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It would probably take me at least
fifteen steps, and that's taking big

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lunges to circle this tent. And
this thing just circled it in five steps.

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And I'm like, what the heck
is that? And each time it

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took a step, I'm not gonna
say it shook the ground or you could

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tell whoa whatever it is, that's
heavy. That's a heavy step. And

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I'm looking at my friends the whole
time. That's happy. I'm looking at

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them. I'm like, guys,
wake up, please, please wake up.

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In my head, I'm like,
wake up, please, cause it's

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gonna know I'm awake. I can't
stay quiet. It knows i'm awake.

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They never move. They don't move
a muscle. And I noticed, looking

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back, I know was I didn't
move at all. I was like gripped.

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I thought I was moving, but
when I think about it, no,

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I was just I was thinking about, oh, maybe I should get

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up, maybe I should move,
maybe I should make noise. But I

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didn't do anything. And that was
really weird for me, because, like

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I said, like I have tourettes, and so sometimes like in high stressful

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situations, you know, I start
to twitch a little bit. And I

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was like, like we were like
mummies. Like we were not moving,

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we were not talking, we didn't
make any noise. We were like dead

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bodies. And I'm laying there.
It circled this tent. I thought everything

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I'm thinking, and it just go
it just goes away, just goes back

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into the tree line. I'm like, holy crap, what just happened.

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I'm thinking, do I wake them
up? Now? What do I do?

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I'm thinking all these I'm thinking,
you know, my mind's going one

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hundred miles a second. Eventually I
just fall back asleep. When the next

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morning, what's early and I get
up. I'm the first one to get

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up. And immediately first thing I
do is, oh, that wasn't a

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dream. I need to go.
I'm gonna go check this out. And

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so I walk around. I go
outside and I look at the tent.

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I look, there's no scratches,
there's nothing there. And I try and

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find I look at the ground,
nothing there, nothing out of the ordinaries,

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The dirt, mud everything's wet because
it was drizzling. There's nothing there,

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and my friends get up. I
write off, there's no way some

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that big walking around wouldn't have left
a track. Clearly it was in my

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head. Maybe it was all in
my head. Right, we're waking up,

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we're making breakfast, and I asked
my friends, oh, man,

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how'd you guys sleep last night?
They both go, oh, yeah,

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good. I don't know which one
of you got up to walk around and

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was just walking around outside but not
cool. It woke me up, and

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I said, what, I didn't
get up last night, and we didn't

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get up. I didn't get up
last night. And then my other friends

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says, one of you guys had
to get up because I heard the walking

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around. It was one of you
guys. They really thought it was me

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because I'm bigger. I'm considerably bigger
than they are, and so they thought,

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oh, the loud, heavy footsteps, it was probably him. But

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I told him, like no,
I swear to christ I did not leave

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the tent at all last night.
And they said the same thing. They

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said the same thing as I said
last night. And I thought, oh,

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did you guys wake up last night? And they go, yeah,

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we woke up. We all I
woke up at I say this time,

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and I woke up at this time, and I'd say I woke up at

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this time, And they too thought
that it was me, because, like

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I said, we weren't facing each
other's backs. I could see them slaying

407
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:53.359
there, but my friend in front
of me, he couldn't see me,

408
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:56.759
so he thought it was me.
And then my friend in front of him

409
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:02.119
thought it was one of us because
he couldn't see either of us. We're

410
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:04.759
talking about and we're like, we
didn't wake up last night, but we

411
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:10.079
all heard the same thing. We
all didn't leave the tent last night,

412
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:12.359
and we all heard the same thing
when we woke up, and we didn't

413
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.960
talk to each other when we woke
up, and so we were like,

414
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:22.279
huh, that's so weird. Why
would we all wake up and hear and

415
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:26.799
listen to the same thing individually?
And it was just crazy, And I

416
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:32.480
wrote it off for so long.
Oh, it's just a funny camping story,

417
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:36.440
funny, like funny coincidence. I
don't think anything of it. But

418
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:41.440
when I get back home, Chirolesa, it's only about I want to say,

419
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.279
a four hour drive from our campsite
where we were, so it was

420
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:49.519
not far like we We were back
in a day or less than an afternoon.

421
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:55.880
We get back the next day,
We get back, and we never

422
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:59.200
talk about it. We just never
mentioned it. We never brought it up.

423
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.319
I'm assuming they never told anybody because
they were very adamant that it was

424
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.680
nothing happened. I'm not mentioning it
to anybody. Let's leave it at that.

425
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:12.799
And I sat with it for months
until I started researching. I talked

426
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:15.960
about it all the time with my
wife and I thought I'd ask what could

427
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:18.599
this have been? What is this? And at one point she had me

428
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:25.440
explain everything, every little detail we
did from the moment we got there to

429
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:29.960
the moment we got in the car
and left, and we looked at everything.

430
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:36.400
We thought big noises, big noises
coming from an animal or something that

431
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:41.680
shouldn't be in that area, because
there's no we don't have wolves, we

432
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.799
don't have there's no big animals that
could make that noise. And even if

433
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.839
there are, let's say there are, let's say one broke out of an

434
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:55.319
exotic zoo pen and was wandering the
forest, I don't know what animal would

435
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:59.920
take two steps would take one step
at a time. And that was the

436
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:04.200
biggest part of it, was the
steps because this tent, it's like a

437
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:08.440
regular Coleman camping tent, and this
tent is huge. I mean it holds

438
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:15.240
eight grown adults and this thing circled
it went all around it in five steps.

439
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.440
And when I tell people that part, that's when they get that look

440
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:25.000
in their eyes. Oh he's lying
that that didn't happen. He was dreaming,

441
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:29.480
or oh he just wants to he
wants to seem cool, or I

442
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:34.119
don't believe it. I don't buy
it. And nobody who I not explained

443
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:38.480
it to but talked, Oh what
could do this? No one believes that

444
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:42.880
it would be anything. And for
longest time I didn't want to explain it

445
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:48.880
to anybody unless they were like close
family members like my wife, my brother,

446
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.920
and maybe my dad. You're the
first stranger or you're the first person

447
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:57.920
who's not like I see almost every
day who I've told about it. And

448
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.920
when I listened to your pot I
listened to it almost every day at work.

449
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.319
I put my earbut in and I
listen to it. And you always

450
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:09.480
say if you experience something, email, reach out, say something, because

451
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:15.440
you never know someone in Texas might
have experienced the same exact thing, but

452
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:20.759
they also think it's nothing because they've
never heard anything like it. And so

453
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.799
when I decided to reach out and
email, I was even still, no,

454
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.039
they're gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna say
it, I'm gonna say everything,

455
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:29.720
and they're just gonna say, Now, I don't buy it, you're lying.

456
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.720
And so I was very like,
oh, maybe I should bail out

457
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:37.559
because I didn't, like I said, I didn't see anything with my eyes.

458
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.799
I didn't see a print or a
footprint. There was nothing. There

459
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:45.759
was no physical evidence that I could
show, you know what I mean.

460
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:50.279
And that was the big the crux
of it is that I don't have anything

461
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:54.920
to show. It's all not in
my head. But everything's a memory from

462
00:32:55.240 --> 00:33:00.759
that night in my head and I
can't give it to people to live it,

463
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:04.839
lives through it like I, you
know, because it's my experience and

464
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.680
that's really that's really it. Yeah, I'm definitely glad that you came on

465
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:12.759
and shared it. I'm glad that
you did not fail out because it is

466
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.839
important to pass that on because I
think there's a lot of people. As

467
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:17.359
you're talking, I'm making notes,
and I'm looking and thinking, Okay,

468
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:22.480
I've talked to people who've had very
similar experiences. I've had experiences that I

469
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:24.799
can't explain that I didn't see something. I'm dealing with it right now.

470
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:29.279
I just got back from the Radium
expedition up with Todd's standing, and I'm

471
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:31.640
dealing with people now that are saying, oh, yeah, you seem to

472
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:35.799
be okay with the fact that Todd's
got people running around in the woods doing

473
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:38.640
whoops and knocks and that's what you
heard. Dude, you don't know.

474
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:42.000
You weren't there, You don't know
where I was. Yes, you didn't

475
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.519
have that experience. I can't explain
it any other way other than to tell

476
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.920
you what I experienced. I can't
say that definitively it was a sasquatch.

477
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:53.200
Right. But you start doing that
checklist. You go down the checklist and

478
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:54.920
say, could it have been a
bear, no, could it have been

479
00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:58.559
a raccoon no, could it have
been a big cat, no? Could

480
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:00.480
it have been this? And once
you check all those boxes of what it's

481
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:06.440
not, you're left with the possibility
it was probably either a person or it

482
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.199
was a sasquatch. Right, And
if it doesn't make sense for us elimination

483
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:12.840
right. If it doesn't make sense
for it to be a person, then

484
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.719
you're really only left with that one
thing. But I want to talk about

485
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:16.840
a couple of obvious things that people
are going to hear this, and they're

486
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.559
going to ask the question. So
I'm going to ask them now, yes,

487
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.320
please, did you at any point
while the noise was going on?

488
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.440
I already know the answer to this, because I think if you had have

489
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:30.599
done this, we'd be talking about
it differently. But did it ever cross

490
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.719
your mind to try to record it
on your phone while you were hearing the

491
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:39.559
vocalization? No? Not during,
but after I thought I was really kicking

492
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:45.559
myself because I thought, you idiot, you live in the perfect time of

493
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:50.920
the world to record something, and
I didn't, And I thought I always.

494
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:52.559
What I told my wife is because
she did ask me, did you

495
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:57.280
record anything? Did you take a
picture? Oh? You have? You

496
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.719
have no idea how scared I was. I'm not like, I'm not a

497
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:02.880
scary cat. I like horror movies
all that stuff. I'm not afraid to

498
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:09.960
walk around at night never, And
this fear was like gripping, so scared.

499
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:15.119
I called her from a different state
and was like, this might feel

500
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.639
last time I call you, But
no, I didn't. I didn't record

501
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.800
or take a picture of anything.
And I'm really wishing I did. I

502
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.199
really wish I did. Yeah,
I'm dealing with that as well, because

503
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.679
I brought back a ton of audio
from the Radium expedition and I've gone through

504
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.119
it. I'm so pissed off because
we had them going the whole time.

505
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.320
We were sitting around the fire outside, We're all around the campfire, we're

506
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:43.119
talking, and we heard things with
our ears plain as day. We heard

507
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:46.599
what sounded like samurai chatter, we
heard wood knocks, we heard whoops.

508
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:52.159
Didn't translate on the audio. And
I'm so pissed off because you clearly can

509
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.599
hear us say did you hear that? As soon as it happens, where

510
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:58.559
did you hear that? And it
didn't translate on the audio. So sometimes

511
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:00.760
you can even have the audio going
or even video, whatever the case may

512
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.760
be, and it just doesn't translate. But I wanted to ask that question.

513
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.480
Here's the other obvious question. Again, we were talking about this recently.

514
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:12.239
When we were sitting around the campfire, Todd told a story about being

515
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.960
up in his other research area in
Nordak. He was out with a bunch

516
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.039
of people that were on the expedition
and they run into this lady and she

517
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.719
says, oh, you're Todd's standing. I've watched your videos, I've seen

518
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.719
your documentary. I think that's really
cool. We saw a bigfoot. And

519
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:30.320
she starts telling her story and the
first thing she says was I was on

520
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.280
my tenth beer. We were all
drinking, we saw bigfoot. The first

521
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.880
thing Tidd says is, oh,
okay, yeah, you were drunk.

522
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.480
Oh yeah, we were shit faced, but I saw bigfoot. Obviously,

523
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.159
you mentioned smoking a couple of times. I don't think you guys were talking

524
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.760
about smoking cigarettes. So people are
going to hear this and go, was

525
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:52.159
it just some drug induced thing that
happened to them? So speak to that

526
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:54.480
a little bit and let's clear the
ear as far as that goes in your

527
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:59.920
experience. Okay, And I'm really
sorry. I feel like I should have

528
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:04.320
asked if I could mention that,
but we were smoking and drinking because I

529
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.400
didn't know if that was going to
be appropriate for your show. But also

530
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:12.519
I needed to be one hundred percent
honest. This is what we were doing,

531
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.440
eating, drinking, smoking, if
we were doing anything that could influence

532
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:22.239
our thoughts, I say no,
because I don't smoke a lot. Really,

533
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.760
it was to take the edge off
I have to celebrate, and to

534
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:29.840
what we just heard, I'm not
a big smoker guy anymore. My two

535
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:35.920
friends they're like chimneys, and I've
seen them smoke a lot enough that would

536
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.039
put me on my butt. And
like I said, I'm a big guy,

537
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:43.760
so my intake needs to be a
lot more to get to that point.

538
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:49.159
They're smaller. They're smaller than me, like considerably, and I've seen

539
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:54.920
them smoke way more and do way
more, like challenging things going through like

540
00:37:55.239 --> 00:38:00.079
security at the airport or driving through
the city like Kansas City, where it's

541
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:04.800
not like as simple as just driving
down a one way road. I've seen

542
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:09.199
them work. It's not something that
would influence make them trip freak out and

543
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:15.320
say they or feel like they saw
something. And I want to add to

544
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:19.519
that too, is that okay,
let's say, well we were all so

545
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:24.920
gone because we smoked. I don't
know, I've never heard of three people

546
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:35.000
doing a like non hallucinogenic drug and
then sharing the exact same experience hours after,

547
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:38.880
like we had slept and then woke
up hours later and heard it.

548
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:43.679
You know what I mean. And
I'm not a professional. I've never talked

549
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.280
to I don't even know who,
like a doctor or someone who studies the

550
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:52.559
effects of drugs and stuff on people
and groups. But I've looked it up

551
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:59.440
and I've been around people who've all
group of them dropped harder Hulu's and ergenic

552
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:05.639
drugs that lasts half the day,
and I've never heard of them experiencing the

553
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:09.360
same thing key for key, note
for note, and then being able to

554
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:15.840
remember it, start to finish the
same as a sober, mostly sober person,

555
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:19.079
You know what I mean. Yeah, I appreciate the answer. I

556
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:21.239
know people are going to say that, And here's what I always say to

557
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.920
that. Right, just because you
get high, maybe you smoke weed,

558
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:30.000
just because you drink alcohol. That's
one of the things we did not do

559
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.599
in Radium. Nobody had any drugs, nobody had any alcohol. Everybody was

560
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:37.320
stone caled sober. Because if you
did experience something like that on an expedition

561
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.199
for seven days, we all want
to be able to say we were of

562
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.119
clear mind, sound mind, and
body, that kind of thing. But

563
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:45.639
here's the thing about that, even
if you smoke weed. Even if we

564
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:50.800
all sat around and smoked a bowl
every night at the campfire and somebody saw

565
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:52.960
a sasquatch step out of the woods
and all four of us, whoever was

566
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:57.679
there, saw it, does it
mean it's the drugs or is the Bigfoot

567
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.320
really there? Because I've seen a
lot of people. I've seen a lot

568
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:06.320
of people smoke weed in my day, and it's not a typical hallucination for

569
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:10.519
people to, especially multiple people,
to say I was having a few beers

570
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:15.960
and I saw bigfoot. So those
things are not often seeing hand in hand,

571
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:22.559
and not everybody who has some marijuana
or some alcohol sees a bigfoot.

572
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:24.960
So even if that is on board
and that is something that's going on in

573
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:29.960
the encounter, I think you still
have to weigh the totality of the circumstances

574
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.119
to say, yeah, now you're
tripping acid. Are you doing shrooms in

575
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.320
the middle of the woods and some
people see some weird shit, that's a

576
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.320
whole nother ball of axe, right, that's a whole nother thing entirely.

577
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:45.599
Yeah, So I think you just
have to weigh the totality of the circumstances.

578
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:47.239
And obviously, when people hear your
story. They're going to either say

579
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:51.840
I think that guy is credible or
he's full of shit because they were all

580
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.199
high. Stay tuned for more sasquatch
out to see. We'll be right back

581
00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:01.480
after these messages. I personally don't
get that from you. I'm looking you

582
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.119
in the face now as you're telling
your story, and I certainly don't get

583
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:08.119
that. So for whatever that's worth
people listening, they can take my opinion

584
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:13.480
for whatever it is. And I
know that's the same thing by my wife

585
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:15.440
when we got home, because she
knew the two friends that went with me,

586
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:22.079
and so she knows, like she
asks, do you think maybe you

587
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:27.320
smoke too much and you just freaked
out and go I said, even if

588
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:31.320
we smoked so much like our body
weights in it, it's not you know,

589
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:35.639
I don't know from what the research
I've done and growing up and learned,

590
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:40.239
is that smoking like smoking pot,
isn't gonna make you see things.

591
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:46.559
It's not gonna give you hallucinations.
It's not gonna last five hours even into

592
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:51.800
and last into your sleep and into
when you wake up, and then make

593
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:57.719
you share the same thing with multiple
people. I've never seen a report of

594
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.880
pop doing that. You know what
I mean, and if it wasn't it

595
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:05.320
showed me what it was. Then
show me what we heard, Show me

596
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:07.920
a recording of the sounds we heard, Prove it to me. If you

597
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:13.639
can't do that, then you can't
really talk down on what I experienced,

598
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.400
on what all three of us experience, because you weren't there, you know

599
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.519
what I mean. It's very easy
for someone outside looking in to say that's

600
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:24.320
weird, that doesn't look weird.
Until they're inside and they know how it

601
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:29.920
feels, they're not gonna have an
understanding of it. Very well, said

602
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:31.719
my friend. I really appreciate you
coming on and sharing your story. I've

603
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:35.559
had a blast talking to you and
I really enjoyed hearing what happened to you.

604
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.519
Thank you so much. When I
emailed last week, I was like,

605
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:42.239
they're not going to get back to
I'm not a researcher. I'm not

606
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.159
even twenty four years old. Then
I think, oh, it's just some

607
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.159
kid. Don't even write back.
And when I got by an email back,

608
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:51.760
I was like, no way,
no freaking way, cause you're like

609
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a celebrity to me, and I
was like, holy crap, I have

610
00:42:54.719 --> 00:43:01.119
a chance to talk to him and
stuff and tell someone who believes in the

611
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:05.639
same things I do. What happened, and that's just that's like an it's

612
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.280
like an honor. It's like meeting
your favorite actor and being able to talk

613
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:13.719
to them, essentially face to face. I'm glad you did. Man,

614
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:16.559
You're the celebrity, not me,
that's for sure. The opportunity alone to

615
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:23.000
talk about it is by itself.
It's been amazing. They say, you

616
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:32.679
don't gotta go home, but you
can't stay. I don't want to be

617
00:43:36.239 --> 00:44:06.920
happened Joy that time everything came in
r bay ricket back for joy from me.

618
00:44:07.960 --> 00:45:13.639
Joy staying right you come in right
away. Still stay stay steps dossst

619
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Unstead Passest States gast Us Pass,