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Billy Cunningham, the great American,
Welcome to Floriath. Monday afternoon in the

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Trystate Reds Baseball takes off about six
ten to night from the Left Coast Giants

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on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday off
Thursday, back out at Friday, Saturday

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and Sunday. As Brian Tomb knows, there's a day night doubleheader on Friday,

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September the first, and Saturday and
Sunday. So the next next seven

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games we'll say a lot about the
Red Legs, what happens and what doesn't

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happen. But until then, Brian
Tomb, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham

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Show. And Brian, I have
many funging questions to ask that I've written

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down as you can see. But
number one, do you think God cares

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about baseball? Does God care about
the Bengals and Joe Burrow? Does God

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care about MESSI? Does God care
about any of that stuff? Well?

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I have a funging question for you. First, Okay, what is it?

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What is fungeance? What does this
word mean? I mean, I

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want's the seminary, but I don't
know that. What is fungeance? What

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is that? It's a word that
I'm made up, and I use it

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and frequently, but when I do
it, always do it with important people

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because funging is not a word,
but it sounds good in place. So

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can you answer their question? Does
God care about Messing? Does God care

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about Joe Burrow? Does God care
about Ellie? Does God care about any

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of that stuff? Absolutely? Does
he does? You know? Oh totally?

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You know. I know that you
are the great American, the quote

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unquote great American. And you know, the founding of our country, there

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was a huge battle that was going
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Deists. The Dasts believe, which
is Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson. The

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dast believe that there was a divine
creator who created things and then he stepped

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back he was a great watchmaker.
And then there were people like John Adams

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and others who said, no,
God is a personal God who's intricately involved

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in our lives. And so when
you by the way, we've been seeing

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this secular, sacred push and pull
since the founding of the country. In

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the beginning, when they had that
declaration of independence, excuse me, the

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constitution, they said, we believe
these truths to be self evident. There

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was half of the delegates that wanted
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be sacred. So you've even seen
the founding of the country. There's this

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push and pull. What divine narrative
is gonna win out? And so when

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you ask me that question about this, God care about MESSI on stuff.

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The God I know Bill is a
personal god who can have a personal relationship

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and is aware of all the personal
details of our life. So, yes,

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God does care. Does he get
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a soccer game. I don't think
so, but doesn't mean doesn't care.

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Well in our case. Locally,
Tony Bender loves the San Francisco Giants and

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he wants the Giants to beat the
Reds. I love the Reds since the

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good old days of Easy and Bailey
from Strawberry Plains, Tennessee. I went

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the Reds to win. And so
if Tony's praying for the Giants tonight and

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I'm praying like crazy for the Reds, how does God sort that out?

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Well, he doesn't sort it out. We've got to remember prayers importance,

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and God does intercede and suspend what
humans might do from time to time.

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That's why we pray. But God's
given us free choice and free will.

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He set things up that way.
It's why we have evil in the world.

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And that's also why at the end
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it's going to be individuals free will. How much they have prepared for

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the game, how hard they've worked
out, how well they play, that

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determines the end. Not God doesn't
determine the end. He's He didn't create

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a bunch of robots that just do
his will. He created free agents,

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all right. Page two, there's
a push by the Archbishop Dennis Snurr,

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which I heard at many of the
masses, talking about issue one, which

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was the abortion issue that went down
hard in August, but now it's coming

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back in November. Does Crossroads take
a position on an issue like abortion or

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not? I don't want to ask
you a tough question early in the interview,

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but there's the question, does Crossroads
take a position on abortion telling your

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constituency and the faithful flock to vote
no or yes on abortion in November?

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Well, let me give it.
I will answer your question very directly with

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a yes no, But first let
me give a little background. I'm adopted.

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I don't know if you knew that
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age and then I was adopted,
And so anybody who was adopted in nineteen

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sixty five knows that it was very
possible, were the laws different, that

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my birth mother would have taken the
understandable and ease your way out and aborted

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me. So anybody who is adopted, I think who's thinking rationally says man,

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I'm glad I got a shot on
life. So if you're going to

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ask Brian Tomb what I believe about
life in the womb, I would say

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yes, Jesus was life in the
womb of Mary. I would say yes.

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Jesus and John the Baptist when they
saw it, when they encountered each

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other while they're voting in the mother's
wombs, they left John the Baptist left

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inside the womb because there's life in
there. If I smash a rare sea

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turtle egg, I get prosecuted because
we recognize that's life. So it is

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also life inside of the womb.
So I'm pretty I'm pretty firm on that,

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and we preached that a crossroads.
Now, having said that, having

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said that, we as a church, we do not point people to the

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ballot box. We point people to
tease us. So if somebody believes different

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about abortion, great, you're at
our church. You're welcome here. You

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got to you just gotta hear the
Bible preaching come to you, and then

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you're gonna make your own own decision. But Crossroads is not a political organization.

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The rallies are tens of thousands of
people to vote a specific way.

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I had somebody taken the task on
that in an email just a couple of

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weeks ago. They copied me,
the archbishop Schnur, and they copied me

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and another pastor, and they the
woman said, hey, we go.

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I go to all three of your
churches and none of you spoke about issue

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one. I'm very upset, And
I thought myself, I bout myself,

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Lady, if you're trying to get
on any pastor priest good side by telling

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advertising that you can't be committed to
a local church, that you play the

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field and you church shipsners not impressed
that you're Catholic and protest at the same

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time. So I said to it, said, look, we point people

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to Jesus. We don't point people
the ballot box. We're not a political

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routing organization. So you will put
out the missive the idea that in November

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it's gonna switch. In August,
if you voted yes, that meant you

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were in favor of mending the constitution
up to sixty percent and no mention keep

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it at fifty and now it switches, while yes in August now means no,

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and no in August now means you
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think there's a level of confusion When
you vote yes in August, it's different

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than voting yes in November. When
you voted no in August, that is

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different than voting no in November.
So sometimes you vote yes and then you

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vote no, and then you vote
no, then you vote yes. Know

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what I'm saying. I don't because
I'm confused. Well, I don't understand

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it right right now. If you
think abortion on the abortion issue right now,

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in November, no means no and
yes means yes. But in August

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yes, men of no, no, no, mena yes, and there's

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a confusion. You know what I'm
saying, I'm not what I'm saying.

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Now. Now let's say it be
a little further with with my job,

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Okay, So I'm trying to get
people to holistically understand who Jesus is and

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get the joy, peace and love
of God in their lives. I'm trying

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to get people to understand the hope
of their future and get through their addictions,

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get through their marital troubles. I'm
trying to help people understand the basics

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of the Bible. I only have
so much time to talk that stuff,

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so so I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm
gonna talk about a convoluted thing that impacts

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the political thing and political world and
try to get you to vote the right

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way when I've wasted all that time
that I might actually be able to help

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improve your life. And now,
if that's some guys and some churches are

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about that, great, no judgment
on them. But if you're asking me,

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I'm not about that. Not going
to be about it, all right?

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So you're not going to put out
some letter or an email. I

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guess letters don't exist anymore. I
can't recall the last time I got a

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letter. But you're not going to
put out an email telling people that it's

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my perception that you should vote no
in November if you oppose abortion and transgender

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rights and you're not going to do
that. I'm not going to do that.

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No, And now, now,
would there be a point in America

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where things are so extreme that I
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I guess there's a way for that. If i'd like to think, I'm

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going to Germany for another tour.
I've done it once, I'm doing it

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again here next month. And you
can't go there without asking yourself if Hitler,

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if Hitler was ruling America right now, would I be like Dietrich Bonhoff

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or a pastor who tried to kill
him? And you know what I would?

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I would if if if I knew, at least I'd like to believe

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that I would. I'd like to
believe that I would. Now when America,

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if America ever gets that bad,
at some point you say, okay,

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we're talking about incredibly high stakes.
It's very very clear, black and

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white, and the end of civilization
is at hand. Yeah, there could

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come a place where I could get
I forget it, you know, I'm

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all in. We're a long long
way off from me feeling like I've got

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to be the conscious of people across
roads and tell them how to vote.

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I just I just don't see it
all right. In May. As you

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know, I went to Israel,
went to Palestinian areas, spent time in

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Jerusalem, and I made the comment
to my friends. I said it on

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the air at the time when I
got back at the end of May first

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of June, that one cannot be
a Christian and having some doubts and then

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go to Israel and come back without
doubts. And I've seen your YouTube presentation

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and the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, which is purported to be the burial

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site and the crucifixion site, either
that or they or Golf might be also.

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I went to both locations. What
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Brian Tombe, who I think is
easy or shall I say difficult to impress?

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What did you find about Israel that
you found really unbelievable and even strengthened

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your faith? Oh? Bill,
it's I'm glad. We haven't talked since

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you once to Israel, and I
knew you talked to me about some God

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recommendations and my guides couldn't work out. So man, I'm glad you got

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there, and I'm glad sounding you
had a great uh yep, yeah,

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great, because I tell you people
go over. A lot of people get

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turned off that there's all these big
ornate churches, ornate churches in these locations

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where these New Testament events happened.
But I don't get turned off by that

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at all. I think it's pretty
impressive. Like when I drive down a

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highway and there's somebody who's died on
their bicycle, you see white cross on

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the side of the road, or
you see a memorial goes up because people

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know something significant happened here that memorialize
it. All those churches are there because

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early flawers of Christ said, yeah, right over there, that's the place

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where Jesus tread them, where he
turned fishes in the lows. Yeah yeah,

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right over there, that's the place
where where Peter was restored after deny

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Christ three times. Yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah, right over there,

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that's where Jesus was crucified and then
placed in a cave. Right beside it.

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Now there's a big church up over
top of it. And what it

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does for me is it says,
man, this does is real. This

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isn't like Pine in the sky philosophies
you can't test embarrassed by. You can

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go to Israel and see the literal
places where this happened, because the Bible

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is history. It's not just faith. I think it's I think it's profound.

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And when you do that, if
you have an ember of faith that

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burns, it's going to become a
bonfire. Because when you're there in the

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Church of the Holy Sepulcher underneath and
look at the tablet where Jesus body was

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washed, and look at the area
or the pillar where he was scourged,

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and you look at that and you're
thinking, you know what, I'm on

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the right track here. So here's
the big question. Let's say you're an

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Aborigine living in Australia, or you
live in the hollers of Kentucky, or

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you might live in somewhere in Asia
or Africa, and you have no connection

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to Christ in any which way.
And according to Joe Strucker and many others,

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that you have to have certain beliefs
to walk into the pearly gates,

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and if you don't have them,
you're not walking in. What do you

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say to those in large parts of
continents that never heard of Christ whatsoever,

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that they are going to walk into
the pearly gates when they have not been

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given an opportunity to believe or not
believe. Well. A standard theological principle

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that's taught in most very conservative seminaries
is that we are judged according to what

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we know. So if you have
never heard the name of Jesus, you're

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likely not going to be held accounts
to what you believe or did out him.

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And then beyond that, we don't
get into heaven bill because of what

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we believe. We get into heaven
because of the grace of Jesus Christ.

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We get into heaven because of what
He's done for us, not because of

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what we do for him. We
get into heaven because he believes in us.

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We don't get into heaven because we
believe in him. It's his acts.

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Roman says that all of sin and
fall short of the glory of God

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and is by grace. We are
saved through faith, not of ourselves.

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That no one can boast. I
can't boast that I have a seminary education,

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that I have a church of YadA, YadA, YadA, that I've

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seen this. I said, no, no, that's not that's because Jesus

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give me faith. I have grace. So I think it's important for us

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to not judge and think too hard
about what happens with other people and instead

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think what's happened with me? Do
I feel the grace and love of God

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in my life? Now? Lastly, twenty years from now, likely I

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will not be on the radio in
these interviews between you and I will cease.

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Well before that, quite likely.
What happened? Say it ain't so

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Oh, you're going forever, You're
going. You're going along in the twenty

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years. The American cause needs you, William, come on, I know

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that. But Father Time is undefeated, untied, unscored on and so you

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can you can't beat the grim Reaper. Same thing with Brian Tomb. When

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your time on Earth has passed.
What happens to crossroads? Well, that's

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a very relevant question because you're right, the death rates hovering right around and

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uh yeah, fifty seven right now, So it's coming sooner and soon not.

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I've I have and we have with
our board. We have a plan

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if I drop my motorcycle off a
cliff, or if I get you know,

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if I get killed or whatever here
and then in the next in the

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next decade, we have a we've
got a plan for who goes next,

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and that person knows it and also
if I go longer than ten years,

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I want to be I want to
be seventy when I'm gone. I've got

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a long view. If I was
only going to be about round about three

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or four years, I've stopped making
aggressive moves to row in the church and

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reach people. So if it's longer
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somebody who's younger. And the advantage
of I think one of the upsides of

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having a peri a large church is
you need a lot of leaders, and

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therefore we've got a lot of farm
system we've got. We've got a lot

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of people can step in and I'm
thankful for that kind of wish the Reds

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had a farm system or some relief
pictures. But someone sent me a message

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a few months back when they knew
that you had ridden continue to ride motorcycles.

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Why in the heck does Brian tomb
get on a motorcycle, which is

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risky activity, and travel all over
the West when you have so many people

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depending upon you, What do you
say about that? Well, first of

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all, I don't want them depending
on me. I want them depending on

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God. That's the first thing i'd
say. Second thing i'd say is America

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isn't the land of the free or
the land of the fear. We've got

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more fears and paranoias and hang ups
and take more meds for anxieties, and

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have more counseling appointments and more fixations
and more paranoia than any country in the

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history of the world, bar none, bar none. It's ridiculous how stress

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and fearful we are. So part
of why I do some dangerous stuff is

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I want to tell myself I'm not
going to be ruled by fear, and

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I want to model for people.
Live your life and stop living in fear

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and anxiety. God's good. There's
going to come a time when you're gone

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and you're done, Yes there is. But enjoy your life. And there's

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certain things I'm not going to do. Like people keep trying to tell me

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the skydive, how do see instant
sky dive it? It doesn't interest me,

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not interested in the slightest. But
I think it's important for leaders to

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model a level of fearlessness more than
it is to model responsible conservative behavior.

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I'm just on interested nets. Brian
Tone, once again, let's do this

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every two or three months. But
thank you for coming on sharing your thoughts

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and to be safe out there on
the roads. William, you're too kind.

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I'm glad you're back from Israel.
By the way, speaking of fear,

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I mean, how many people before
you went over to Israel said,

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oh, it's dangerous over there.
Oh look out? Did you ever feel

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it dangerous? And a zero less
than zero, right, less than zero.

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I didn't feel in Palestinian areas like
Bethlehem, where there's a church on

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top of the alleged birthplace of the
Christ that was completely Palestinian an Arab,

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I felt as safe as in my
mother's arms. No issue, right right,

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But you know again our country,
it's dangerous over there, and look

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out, they've got suicide bombers.
That the Muslims are crazy over there.

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I've never I've been over to Israel
fifteen times. I've never met a Muslim.

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I don't like fifteen times. Did
you mean any bad Muslims while you

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were there? Zero? In fact, they were warm and welcoming and no

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problem. Brian Tom let's do it
again, and God bless you and stay

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safe. Thank you, William,
We'll see you. God bless America.

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