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Hi. I've Mo from the It's
Our Truth podcast and I'm here with Angie.

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Hi. I'm Angie for Angelina Wilson
from Kidnesssing TV and Kidnesssing Radio.

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And you probably recognize Angree's voice from
our previous episode about the Boy in the

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Box, which is what we're here
to discuss today. Obviously, there was

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a big press conference today that we
have been waiting all week four, and

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we're going to talk about it.
We're also going to talk about some questions

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that we still have and some speculation
that's already floating out there. It's only

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been an hour and a half people, but here we are, so let's

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talk about out what we know.
Well, we know his name was Joseph

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Augustus Zarelli. What a middle name
to resettle it really is. We know

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that he was born on January thirteenth, nineteen fifty three, and making him

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officially four years old at the time
of his death, and then he was

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for a month before. Yeah,
and he was found on February twenty fifth,

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nineteen fifty seven, which you know
if you listen to our previous coverage

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because both of our individual shows have
covered it. Angie is the like go

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get or team leader for the Facebook
group that is like doggedly daily. Where's

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the update from the votox society?
Where is it? Where is it?

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I've seen people posting it all the
time and I'm like, I'm waiting too.

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Did you also hear the rumors that
they were going to identify him,

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like a couple days before they announced
it, Because the two days before they

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announced, Hey, next week,
there's going to be a press conference.

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I kept seeing things on Reddit threads
like they know who he is, and

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I'm like, well, who is
he? No. I first heard that

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they were going to announce it when
my friend Lynn Hanson got a hold of

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me because she's coming here for the
new year and she's from Alabama. We

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had worked on Mississippi Delta Don together
as well as the case of Daniel Burder,

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and she had said, did you
hear about the boy in the box?

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I said, what about him?
She said have a name? I

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said what? And she to her
Facebook and her Facebook had the article and

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that was the first that I had. It's for two days before. Well,

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so I had web alerts set up
for him, and so I think

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that's part of it. Because when
we did the episode, Google alerts anymore.

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I had Google alerts for just the
Vodox Society in general, v Doc

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Society in general, and America's Unknown
Child and the Boy in the Box,

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and like various Google alerts, and
so I was seeing things on Reddit forums.

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But it was like a day and
a half before they announced, Hey,

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we're going to do a press conference. We know who he is.

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And so I was just going crazy
for those two days, just thinking,

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Okay, well, it's nothing.
But I've had experience in the past with

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fellow podcasters that I know that had
to do with these Zodiac killer cipher being

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solved. And I heard rumors about
that two days before, and I'm like,

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I don't know. This is how
the true crime community works sometimes,

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like leaks, there's leaks. There's
always a week leak. So we know

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that they identified the Boy in the
Box. We know his name's Joseph Augustus

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Zarelli. We also know that Italian. Yeah, we know that they used

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genealogy to solve this case. First
they identified who they the mother. So

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they then once they had identified who
they believed to be the mother, they

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went back and looked at birth records. They found a birth record that basically

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had no match for any other information, a death certificate, a social Security

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car number. They realized that this
particular birth certificate did not have a Social

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Security number that was ever issued,
so they believed that this must be him.

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Then they did the paternal line of
the person that was on the birth

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record to try and make a conclusive
match, and that is what they did.

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Yeah, I found miss I missed
the very beginning. Oh okay,

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So the reason that I bring it
up is because these are some other things

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we know. We know that that
Joseph Augustus Zarelli has siblings who are living.

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We know that they are using this
same technology now to try and solve

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at least a dozen other cases.
But something very interesting happened during the announcement

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that I think some people missed,
and that is a member of the press

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asked a question and said that the
father's line was denying the their involvement.

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And then I heard that. So
then both the genealogist who was actually the

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chief medical officer and the current I
think it was the current lead investigator both

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said no, we have DNA proof
that that that line is correct. So

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there's a lot of speculation floating online. Should how much. How much it

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I say. Um, so I
will say that I'm not saying this.

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This is just stuff that is already
out there. It has nothing to do

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with me. I didn't do it
saying that they believe Cynthia Pashko to be

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the mother and Augustus Jay Zarelli to
be the father. Yes, this is

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why I don't think that my st
There is a chat that's separate on messenger

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and you can join it if you
want to. UM where somebody actually posted

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August of Joseph Zarelli's death certificate.
And that makes sense because the cops said

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the name wasn't exact on the birth
certificate of Yes. But also so this

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is this is what just my personal
belief, and I'm going to say why

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So I do think personally that he's
the father. Cannot prove it, but

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I do not think that she is
the mother. And the reason I don't

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think she's the mother's because they were
married a number of years later. Um.

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Also, the way that the police
phrase it is they said that he

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had siblings on both sides, which
to me indicates that the mother had had

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children and the father had children that
were separate from each other. And if

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you actually look in the genealogy record. Cynthia eventually married Augustus and they have

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children together. Yeah, I haven't
had a chance to look at the genealogy.

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I wanted to do that, but
I watched the press conference and then

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I was getting text messages nine ways
from Sunday. Oh absolutely going crazy.

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So I haven't had a chance to
get on the computer and really look at

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it yet. Yeah. So then
it begs the question one, if the

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father's line is saying like denying involvement, is it because the father never knew

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he existed because they were not married. Maybe maybe he never knew. Maybe

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he thought that she had given the
child up for adoption, which then begs

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the question of the M theory that
we can't at this point discount just because

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we know who his parents are,
Because the whole idea was that M said

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that her her mother had basically adopted
bought, you know, actually bought who

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they called Jonathan. And we also
have the Johnny and the Jonathan of it

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all that has been associated answer that. But J was um talkum. The

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person that they thought he was would
have been a cousin to M, and

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his name would have been Jonathan Davis
because m's name was Martha Davis. Interesting,

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we can say that now everyone's dead, and that's very interesting. But

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also doesn't her name out because she
was a research scientist with Eli Lily and

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she didn't want them to know she
was in counseling at the time. But

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it's still so even so with that, that's nice to have like a little

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loose end tied up there. We
don't know that the actual mother didn't give

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the child up for adoption at some
point because the police specifically said. This

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goes into the things that the police
aren't saying, and so everybody's speculating.

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We're speculating. The police basically said
that no one is currently alive that was

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alive at the time that could kind
of physically place like they have an eyewitness

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to interview, And that makes me
wonder if there's no eyewitness to interview,

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was she in possession of her own
child at the time of his death.

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Well, interestingly, they said that
they had one of this I think it

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was one of the siblings in homicide
yesterday in the press conference. It's so

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interesting. Well, that's part of
the reason too that they don't want to

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release his name because he does have
siblings his parents' names because they have siblings.

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But that's what you said. More
likely that he was the oldest if

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there was no one alive. Yeah, or siblings that he had were one,

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two, three, five, young
enough to wear the trauma of a

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missing sibling later, they were able
to be gas lit into thinking that they

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never had a sibling, that was
just a neighborhood childs or that was just

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a cousin or something like that.
With children, your memory when you're reinforce

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something is so extremely malleable. Yes, So what helse do we know?

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We know that at the time,
the police said that they were at the

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sixty first and Market area. I
believe he's talking about the mother's location.

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But again that feeds back into Yeah, I really don't know. So I'm

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not familiar with the city of Philadelphia, but somebody in the chat said that

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that was the predominantly Italian American Italian
part of the city, like the Little

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Egaly kind of thing. So that
makes sense. Zarelli, Yeah, it

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does, It does make sense.
But it also I don't know what the

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laws were in Pennsylvania, but I
do know that my mother was born a

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year after him, and she was
not given her father's last name because her

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parents weren't married and she was considered
what was called a bastard, and her

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father could have been arrested for bastard
dree it was a crime. That's very

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interesting. I think it would have
to do would together he would have had

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his father's last name and his name
on the certificate if that was a crime

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in Pennsylvania at the time, which
I do not know, that would be

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very interesting to know, especially because
at that time period, I personally am

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a bastard. My parents eventually got
married, but they weren't married when I

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was born, and I have other
members of my family that had the same

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type of situation. But even when
I was a kid, my great grandmother.

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Everybody when my great grandma died got
bonds and things like that, and

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I didn't, even though my parents
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Like like the moral condrum from a
different time, it's so antiquated. So

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that's also a possibility. But also
that that brings us back to then why

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would the father's name beyond the birth
certificate because we know that at least who

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we suspect as the father wasn't married
until six years later, right. I

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didn't do the math but I saw
in the uh what do you call it

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in the obitu where how long they
had been married, And yeah, I

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didn't take note of the date and
do the math um. But you're right,

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it doesn't add up because he died
in two thousand. What was it,

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ah, something like that I haven't
written down with me. Yeah,

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which doesn't Which doesn't mean that they
couldn't have had a kid and then later

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got married. I just don't think
in that time period that that's very likely,

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especially since it was like a number
of years later. To me,

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it doesn't It doesn't add up for
the person that is purported online to be

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the mother to be the mother.
I also don't think about money to get

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him all the medical care that he
had, and they didn't mention any of

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the medical care or what his issues
actually were. You'd think once they found

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out his name, they would have
known all that. Listen, I missed

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something at the beginning. Yeah,
I think that they just they're being very

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careful with their information, especially because, let's face it, all of us

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have thought pretty much since the beginning
that this is a result of child abuse.

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Now that it just has to do
with how old some of the traumas

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were. That of some of the
trauma was old at the time of his

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passing, So it wasn't like somebody
kidnapped him, did bad things to him,

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killed him. It was there.
Yeah, he was recovering from what

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seemed to be ongoing trauma. He
was emaciated, all of these different different

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factors. That's true. And so
I think that that's another reason why they

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don't want because their siblings involved,
until they have concrete answers, they don't

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want to talk about the parents because
the parents are the first suspects, and

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it would be that that in any
case. And there's something else that I

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saw in the chat apparently, and
they said he came from a prominent family.

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There is a local state legislator.
I think it's a state senator who

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is stepping down, whose name is
Joseph Zarelli. Interesting. Yeah, I

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thought it was interesting too. I'm
like, well, he's got to be

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a relative, but he's got to
be I mean, looking at his age,

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he's got to be a distant relative. Yeah, I mean, And

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that's the thing with genealogy, especially
when there's six families, there's cousins,

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they're second cousins, there's third cousins, especially if either of the parents have

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a large amount of siblings, especially
if this or that a long time I

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know. And let's face it,
even if it would have been one of

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Joseph Aubustus's siblings, they would have
nothing to do with that, like,

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they would have no culpability that would
lead to political scandal. So I think

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that might it might be related to
him, but the stepping down is probably

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it's just coincidence at this time.
That's what I was thinking too. It

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was just weird. When somebody posted
it, I went, Okay, he

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has to be related somehow. But
I'm getting comments because this is a one

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pm unscheduled live stream that no one
knows exists really yet until they run across

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it on the internet. I have
lots of fun which bots that are like

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want to promote your channel. So
unfortunately we don't have a lot of feedback

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going on right now in terms of
people in the chat. But let's see

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if we can solve that. See
if anybody else wants to chat with us.

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By the way, I will be
having Jim Hoffman on Kid Missing Radio.

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We are going to have a phone
call this afternoon and talk about make

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the arrangements. And he has connections
in the Philadelphia, PD, so that'll

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be interesting anyway. Okay, I'm
glad I'm still here. I'm glad they

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included Bill Fleischer and the Vida Society. Oh my gosh, which which brings

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them to you? I just sent
you a link to the live string so

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you can go ahead and chare it
around. But I had no idea that

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Tom Augustine had died six weeks ago. Yeah, I was shocked. I

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was legitimately shocked at that. Jim
said to me, what, he just

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died on MT But his daughter is
involved, she knows. I'm so glad

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that someone in his family knows.
That's very good. Oh my, how

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do I share this? Oh?
The link took me to Facebook. Yeah,

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that that's just the easiest one.
I also have a YouTube link somewhere

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if you would like me to get
a hold of that instead, I'm gonna

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share it on my Facebook hopefully people
will watch it. But yeah, I

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would definitely share the YouTube as well
because I can. Well, but I'm

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gonna let everyone know on my YouTube
that we did this because I have to

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go update my YouTube after. Well, I would I mean, I just

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am thinking, Hey, it'd be
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going. But that's what happens when
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be here because he's a school teacher, so and he's in California, so

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it's a very different time of day. It very much is. I was

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seeing in the group that there was
lots of people that were saying, I'm

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I'm in this country, I'm in
that country. How am I going to

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watch this live stream? Um?
Personally for me? Because I'm in the

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Detroit network. It wasn't on my
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was on Peacock that you could stream
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local news channel on the internet their
live stream footage of That's what I did

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too, NBC three I think it
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ADC thirteen, I believe something like
that. Very very interesting in terms of

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we are getting this information and sixty
five years later, just absolutely crazy.

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that the Yeah genealogists said that it was

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an international effort, So that makes
me wonder where his parents actually born in

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Italy and came here and had him
well they might have got DNA from the

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paternal line that is still in another
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could have been in another country,
because I also noticed that and wasn't sure

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if that just meant that they were
using geneticists that were like top in their

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field from other countries or what.
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he was born there and they had
I know they had done comparisons of

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baby footprints. Yeah, well they
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because I learned later on that that
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accurate comparison. I learned it very
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so those are terrible for comparison.
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because that's what they used in the
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just sort of made mental note of
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so one question, you know,
what questions do you still have? Personally?

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I'm wondering, like you said,
was he with his either of his

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parents? And I hadn't thought of
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possible too, because I know in
my mother's own case, her father had

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an idea that he had a daughter, but he wasn't sure or he didn't

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know where you were. Or my
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said that my mother belonged to the
son of a first cousin of L.

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L. Bean. Interesting he had
paid another mother eight hundred dollars to go

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away with a Mastard child of his. So we think my grandmother also got

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paid by telling her that. But
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was actually another man's child, and
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Her siblings didn't deny her because they
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there. Somebody existed in Massachusetts because
and my mother said, it turns out

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the man that came to visit me
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the bed, and my mother told
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Schmidt, the one that I grew
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my grandfather for all intents and purposes, and was Mom's father. He was

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there from the time she was a
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kid's dad, he said she had
a daddy, and I didn't want to

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upset the apple cart. But he
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you know, And so and it's
also possible that that woman could be his

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mother. And I'll tell you why
because I know, again going back to

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my mother's family, my grandmother had
her three kids with the man that I

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call my grandfather, John Schmidt,
before they were married, but after they

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were married, he had to adopt
his own children and their birth certificates were

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changed. Interesting. Interesting, but
we do know that they weren't They weren't

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married until years after he had passed. If it wasn't add to birth certificate

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situation. Also, I'm just so
hung up on the police saying that he

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had siblings on both sides of the
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he has siblings, like the phrasing. I feel like everything they were saying

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was so parsed out and particular about
Yeah. Absolutely, net detective somebody noted

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he seemed annoyed at one point toward
the end, and he really did well.

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I think when she was questioning it
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press conference that he was identified using
the maternal line DNA. They found the

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birth certificate, and then they made
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by DNA, so they already said
that at the top and I just looked

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at the TV and said, DNA
lady, yeah, and then she said,

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you know the family, the father's
family is denying it. What like,

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what proof do you have? And
he said and then she said how

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or something like. It was so
strange. I felt like I understood why

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she asked the original question. She
wanted to get him to stay outright that

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they use DNA, so that we
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like the question has been asked and
answered, yeah, we now know the

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DNA. DNA doesn't lie in that
way. But she kept going. He

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said it multiple times, the genealogists
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said it, and it still was
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going to give up, and she
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she said it in the press conference
too, that that was one of her

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most challenging cases because in the beginning
she was only working with mitochondrial DNA,

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which is the mother's. Until they
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only working with mitochondrial so she worked
miracles. That's another thing that was that

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was answered for me personally during this
press conference is I think that after the

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twenty nineteen after they had to exoom
the body again to get more DNA,

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we're sitting here, especially at the
beginning of the year in twenty twenty two,

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saying why is this taking so long
if the DNA is already existing in

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these ancestry databases, etc. Etc. And we got the answer, which

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was that they had to basically clean
up the DNA profile and that has to

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be done very meticulously to make sure
that there are no mistakes, and that

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is what was helping to take so
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exoomed, and reinterned before they could
even start matching it. They had

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questioning. Maybe they're questioning like the
fact that they had to clean it up,

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so to speak. But all that
means is they use a technique where

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they literally take the DNA that they
have and make more of the same DNA.

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They make copies so that they have
more of it. Yeah, just

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just very They don't move jeans around, you know, right, right,

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so people are clear on how they
do that. Oh my gosh, what

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other questions do we have? Well, it's funny I was taking notes during

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the press conference from I was too, they're they're a mess. Oh,

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yeah, they're a mass too.
You're sitting here with a clipboard one.

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Actually, I'll grab one real quick. Uh that it's still this is still

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considered an active investigation, which was
many times FOR pointed out to various members

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of the press as they asked invasive
questions as the press does and should at

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points now, but things that very
obviously they were never going to answer,

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such as do you have a suspect. It's like we're just announcing who he

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is today. We're not doing that
today. That's not what today's the beginning

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of the year. What his name
was? I did hear that, and

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I don't know where they got that
from exactly, but yeah, the chief

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medical officer's name was Constance DeAngelo.
Oh, I was talking about the chief

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genealogist. Colleen Fitzpatrick got it.
They're now looking for suspect DNA on clothing.

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Say that again, They're now looking
for what I think is suspect DNA

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on clothing. That was I'm going
to assume in the box with him,

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because I said at the scene,
and they did mention, they did mention

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the red um handkerchief that they believed
at first to be a red herring,

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that sort of sea, and I
thought that was really interesting, because yeah,

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yeah, just very interesting wordy,
and then immediately followed that up with

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at the time, anybody could come
in and view the body. And I

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was like, well, how are
these two things related? Did we just

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make a jump because I was like, okay, why do you think it's

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a red herring? But nothing We
jumped straight to anybody come in, and

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I'm like, are you saying somebody
that it wasn't with him, that somebody

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left it on him when they went
to go see his body? What are

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you saying? I wouldn't think it's
that that wasn't in the box, that

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was in the area. In area
was a known dump site, right right

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right. But it's when they said
red herring and then immediately jumped to well

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anyone could come in At the time, I was like, how are those

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two things related? I don't think
they are. I think there was just

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a jump made there that that wasn't
meant to write start contract. And his

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name didn't have a letargy except the
second letter of his first name the middle

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name rather than it was obviously a
red erring yes. For those just joining

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us, we are talking about case
updates about the Boy in the Box America

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because now known child Joseph Augustus Cirelli. We're talking about online speculation that has

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already started about his parents, what
happened to him Specifically, We've talked about

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the possibility of the different online speculation
that who has speculated as his mother might

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not be his mother, but that
might be his father. We talked about

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how that links to what the lead
investigators said about the birth certificate name not

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being exactly in terms of the father. And we're just talking about things that

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we still would like answered. Obviously, we want answered who has done this

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to him? Obviously that's the next
biggest question that is much bigger than did

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his father know about his existence,
etc. Etc. Sorry, that's my

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phone. I'm still getting texts.
Oh no, do you not worry about

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it? Did you see my email? I had emailed you and Jim last

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week and I messaged Jim the link
to the article, and then Jim messaged

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me not as a reply, like
forty minutes later, it was like,

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hey, update, I'm like I
just sent you this link forty five minutes

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ago, I sent you this link. What are you talking about? He's

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very busy. He is very busy. But he did reply to your message

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because I saw it when I got
your email, and I did reply to

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it. Oh I didn't see a
reply from you. Yeah, I replied

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to it. Oh maybe why would
it go to my spam folder? Oh,

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I'll figure it out. Uh.
Yeah, so just I am.

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I was very sad to hear about
Tom Augustine, but I'm glad that they

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really At the beginning of the press
conference paid homage to all of the investigators

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that came before, especially because you
have you have to remember and obviously you

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remember the listener, the viewer has
to remember that the police department is the

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main cause of why there is a
gravestone at all, why he was able

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to be moved and have not a
name but a moniker, something to remember

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him by, and also just to
preserve that memory. That moniker is part

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of the reason this case is solved. America's unknown child slashed the boy in

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the box, the intrigue of it, then the police keeping that alive is

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the reason that we now know his
name. Yeah, you know what I

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think they should do in cases like
this. Why not put a family tree,

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a public family tree, on one
of the family tree websites like ancestry

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or my Heritage or somewhere of this
little boy, you can it automatically.

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If you're living, it automatically makes
you private. If you do it on

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like Ancestry, I think my Heritage
you might do that too, And that

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way genealogists like myself I have over
twenty years experience, which really helps me

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in these cases, by the way, because I know how to use the

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tools of a genealogist, so it
helps me to do these cases. And

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that might by having genealogists like myself
looking at the tree, somebody might find

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a link to themselves. Put now
that you have his name, put his

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name in a DNA database as his
name with his DNA and see who else

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matches and comes forward. And I
think, I think though, that they

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don't want to do that because they
don't want the parents' names released. Obviously,

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we're all out here sleuthan on the
ancestry sites. Instantly. As soon

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as they gave us a birthday and
then told us that there was an existing

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birth record for him, we were
all gone off to the races, all

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of us trying to find something,
trying to find things that matched, even

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if we couldn't find the original birth
certificate, which I'm sure is out there.

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I also just don't have a lot
of paid accounts in these various places

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to be able to do one ancestry. And I'm sure you will be off

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to the races later, especially because
with the speculation, that's the one thing

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we know that the birth mother's name
is going to be on the birth record

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and be one percent accurate because she
was in a hospital having a child.

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Well, not necessarily, because on
the other side of my family, see,

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we had a lot of births that
happened outside of marriage in a time

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period when that just was not okay. My grandmother had three daughters before she

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married my grandfather, and she had
them with a married man. Well,

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they all ended up with different last
names. The oldest ended up with her

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maiden name, the next one ended
up with her father's actual last name somehow,

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and the youngest one, oh no, no, she didn't, I'm

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sorry. The middle one ended up
with her grandmother's maiden name, my grandmother's

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mother's maiden name somehow, and the
youngest one ended up with her actual father's

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last name. But anyway, the
point being when my grandmother delivered one of

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the when my grandmother delivered the youngest
daughter, she delivered her under the name

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of the father's actual wife. Wow. So yeah, you find things in

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genealogy when you start finding birth records
and stuff that's very interesting. Well,

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we do know though that they said
they founded the birth her ticket for them

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through the mother and then they confirmed
it with DNA, So we do know

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that the DNA profile of that is
on the birth or tip kate of both

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the mother and father has been confirmed. I understand that. I was just

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that does happen, Yeah, it
does, It does happen. It doesn't

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matter. Now they're all, well, my aunt has severe demensions in her

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eighties, doesn't have a clue and
actually freely admitted that that happened. But

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she's the one that told us,
you know, and everyone else is dead,

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so it doesn't matter, you know. It's just an example. Yeah,

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well, I I think that's probably
that's probably it for now for now

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only. Yeah, now we know
the name. I will send you a

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link as soon as I um,
actually, i'll send you an invite because

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I'll do a um what I do
when I do with it a podcast is

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I do a an event on Facebook
and send invite so people know, right

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interesting, but they're not live now
because I do it through anchor, so

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I have to upload it after.
But it's going many more places thanks to

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you. You are the one.
Well normally, normally I have Chip and

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Mikey, so when we do record
independently normally, but when we do live

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streams, we use stream Yard because
we have all kinds of fun banners and

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we can highlight comments made by people
and to discuss. So I really do

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like stream Yard as a platform.
Well until next time, I've been and

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this is ANGI later got Truth and
Kid Missing absolutely and you will see in

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the description a link to Angie's show
Kid Missing so that you don't miss it

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in the future. Buy. Thank
you, Bye bye,