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This is the Art of Wrestling with
professional wrestler Colt. Comeata All right,

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wrestling. I am your host.
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podcaster, I'm a mental health advocate. Most importantly, though, I am

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a pro wrestler. I swear I'm
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Patreon slash colt Cabana. Today's guest
pretty Peter Avalon, and I am so

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grateful to have Peter on my podcast. I said this to him privately,

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I will say it publicly. He
is one of the most underrated and underappreciated

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wrestlers on the scene to day.
He's what you would call a wrestlers wrestler.

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Us the wrestlers in the back.
We always love what Peter does,

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how he performs, and sometimes you
know, it takes a classically trained pro

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wrestler to kind of understand the little
things or the nuances, but we see

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it and we appreciate it, and
I appreciate Peter coming on the show.

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There's a couple of really key points
or things that I'd like to point out

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about this talk. So we did
this podcast in August. We did it

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in Cologne, Germany, when I
went with a crew of wrestlers to promote

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AW Video Games. Actually, I'm
gonna shout out the crew. It was

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me Uno and Hellico, Peter,
Chris Daniels, and referee Rick Knox,

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along with some like the business people
of AW Games like THHQ and some the

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AW marketing team, and well,
a lot has happened since this podcast we

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did in my life personally and professionally. Amazingly enough, at the start of

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the talk that I did with Peter, we kind of just started talking about

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anxiety and mental health. And this
episode was supposed to come out in early

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September, and honestly, I just
haven't been able to want to talk about

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anything, so I just kind of
delayed everything and I told Peter and he

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was more than okay with it,
obviously. And I didn't delay it because

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the company that I worked for like
told me not to talk about anything or

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what I could or could not do, just kind of where my brain was

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at, you know. I started
the podcast in two ten and we don't

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go every week now, but I
like to put out shows occasionally spot letting

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my friends or people that I find
super interesting. And from the beginning,

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you know, I was so open, maybe even to a fault, about

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dealing with losing my dream job of
THEWE or fighting to be an independent wrestler,

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or how to make money in wrestling, or how to survive a lot

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of things that I was very open
about. And I knew I made fans

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for life, which is I assumed
you people listening to the show right now

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because of my ability to be candid
and real. And as I think about

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it and as I did it,
there was really two things that I just

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kind of never touched. You know. It's a wall or a barrier,

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or I'm good at compartmentalizing, which
I know I am, but and I'm

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not there yet, nor may I
ever be. But a lot of you

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probably notice I never really talked about
significant others. I never really talked about

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my relationships, which was kind of
fun to hear people guess about my sexuality

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over the years, or my lifestyle
or how I conducted myself. But that

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side of life was just something I
didn't want to talk about, nor do

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I want to talk about, and
maybe that's stuff to work on. And

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the other one is well, you
know, kind of what's been going on.

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I've been in the news, you
know, whether it's now or for

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the past whatever years it's been.
I think the closest that you'll ever hear

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me touch upon it was on an
episode of the Art of Wrestling called The

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Trial, which is where I documented
all of my feelings while I was going

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through the trial in which the WWE
doctors sued me in a court of law

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and lost. And so Peter talks
about or brings up mental health and anxiety,

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and looking back to the conversation with
Peter, I noticed that I jumped

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right on it, and I feel
that's desperation to connect with a wrestler on

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a deeper level than ever before,
especially at that time when I was feeling

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a lot of feelings. I mean, I'm always feeling a lot of feelings,

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including now, but it was definitely
prevalent at the time of this talk.

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And if you go back and you
listen to the Trial episode, and

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I haven't, but I remember it
very well, I recognized now the feelings

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that I had were the feelings of
debilitating anxiety. At the time, I

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said, it was like a sign
that I was alive and I loved it

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because I was feeling feelings that I
had never felt befored and meant that I

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was going through something and that's part
of life. And I was feeling those

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because the trial and everything was traumatic, more traumatic than anything I've ever been

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through, and I was in the
eye of the hurricane. I was in

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the middle of it. A couple
of years ago, I seeked help.

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I got help in many different ways. A while back, I started seeing

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a professional. Many of you have
noted my silence publicly with all that's been

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going on with me, and that's
because I'm working on myself privately, and

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I'm not gonna say it's amazing or
cured. It'll probably take years or decades.

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Maybe I'll never fully healed or understand
what my head and heart and feelings

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are going through. But like the
great Cody Rhodes once said, do the

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work. I'm doing the work,
and I'm not here to bash anyone or

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take shots at anyone. And I've
learned that there is no right or wrong.

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I can't control what I can't control. I'm trying to understand why I

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do things that I do and how
I can control my feelings and only my

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feelings and try to become a better
person. So I command Peter for talking

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with me about it. The whole
thing isn't strictly about this, but it's

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kind of the start of it.
He didn't have to do it. I

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appreciate his ability to be candid,
and I appreciate you, the wrestling fan

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who seem to understand. I mean, my Twitter has been a wild shit

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show, and it's crazy how some
people feel that their tweets towards you are

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like an acceptable move in life,
like you're allowed to do that. But

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I've also been really good about not
letting that affect me and also realizing that

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whoever is tweeting this there, you're
not a real human being, Like I

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guess you have a lot of work
to do. And here's some good advice.

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If you ever have people going after
you on Twitter, some more than

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others, just go to that person's
account and then look at their tweets and

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you realize this is a them problem
and not a you problem. So that

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all goes into doing the work.
And I don't know if that made any

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clarity, but maybe you got a
better idea of what I'm going through and

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that I'm going through it, and
also maybe when I'm at a convention,

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you know, there's certain stuff you
don't want to bring up. I think

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I've said that forever. You know, I always love talking to people,

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and I love talking wrestling, I
love talking shop. But then once you

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bring up some stuff that has been
traumatic for me over years, I shut

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down. And then you read on
a message board somewhere, how cool to

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dick and again trying not to read
that. But sometimes stuff takes over the

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Internet, and then I mean,
it's happening, It's happened, it will

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continue to happen. Before all of
this went down, you know, I

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like a hustling businessman that I am. I was trying to set up my

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future in case my contract didn't get
rolled over. I had seen it almost

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happened to me before. And then, you know, I resigned a new

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contract. But I was kind of
unsure of my future, so I partnered

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with a company called Whatnot. And
this is not an ad, This is

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just something that I'm doing. The
ads will come later. I'm assuming I'm

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still going to have a job with
my employer. But the great thing about

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AW is that we're allowed to work
on ourselves and our businesses outside the company,

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so Pro Wrestling Teas and I are
still doing Whatnot. I host it.

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I bring some items on from my
closet over the years, and then

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PWT they also have so many things
from the warehouse over the years. It's

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like kind of QVC meets eBay fast
auction style shopping. And we're going to

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do a live one from aew from
the arena in Chicago in the building with

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wrestlers selling their gear and exclusives.
It's so much fun. Join us once

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a week. It's usually Wednesdays,
sometimes it's Tuesdays if I end up going

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to work on Wednesdays. It's on
an app called Whatnot or Pwtlive dot com

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is a site that we may that
will lead you to there. I wanted

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to promote this Whatnot thing that we're
doing. And I probably have so much

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more to talk about, returning to
Dynamite, doing the fringe, playing Fortnite

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with Kip on Twitch, all the
fun stuff that I usually talk about before

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the podcast, But we'll do that
next week. I got an episode next

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week coming to another Friend, another
great talk, so stick around next week

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for that one too. But I
feel talking about my brain was enough for

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you this week, and definitely enough
for me. Before we get into the

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Hi. Let's talk about all your
problems? All right? What are

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you're in today? Have you been? Um? Have you been on all

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this Britain? Okay, I'm here. Hello. We're in German first of

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all, German rest first time?
And have you been out of the country.

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Yeah, I'm into China. Yeah, and to China and Mexico.

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Those that's how the international has off
going. What's your China Middle Kingdom Wrestling?

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I was out there helping in produce
the show and to produce the Battle

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Royal that we had as the main
event. It was me Zeta Zang Raylan.

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We were all out there together for
about a week. Was this one

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aid started and they went by China? I'm not sure it was not with

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aw you just went separately. It
was separately, Yeah, that he was

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working with us through a championship rustling
from Hollywood and then he was doing his

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own separate thing. Okay. Yeah, it was pretty cool and then hold

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on. So, so you went
out to produce what to produce the show

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and to produce a show or like
they have a they have that's a name

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I've heard of the Middle Kingdom.
Yeah. Right, they've been trying to

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make their their show in China.
I think they were trying to do everything

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monthly and it was just I guess
my turn. They wanted me to help

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produce the show and try to you
know, elevate it. Yeah, the

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appearance of it like they did with
Championship Rusting from Hollywood and and Championship Russ

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of Arizona and you, and that's
it. I'm a man, I'm the

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man for your job. That was
it. So it was nice. Did

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you wrestle out there? I did. I also wrestled. I was featured

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heavily in the Battle Royal. I
came down to me and Zombie Dragon,

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who's one of their main guys out
there, and he beat me at the

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last two. You know, I
especially for you as a Los Angeles person,

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you would think we had enough dragons. You'd think with Super and American.

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I think that was a running joke
for many years, right to the

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point that there was a dragon Dragon
in Chicara. Yeah, and uh,

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we might as well add the zombie
to it, might as well the dead

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one. And what was Mexico or
you know, being friends with Rocky Romero

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for so many years, you just
learned that every Los Angeles wrestler that's good

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like wrestles in Mexico. Right,
Yeah, it's nearby. Might as well?

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Is that a thing? So when
you say Mexico, do you do

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you mean Tijuana Ja. That's one
of time three hour drive maximum, I

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think yeah. And then you work
at the the TJ Arena down there,

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it's Big Pact Arena, and uh
it's me and Ray Ross against Yuma and

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at the time Johnny good Time.
Now Kevin Martinson. So he has changed

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his name. Yep. Oh,
so I didn't mean to out him.

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I didn't know. If I don't
keep up with the product. Well,

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good to have you here. It's
been so we've been hanging out in Germany

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being German goop balls. It's nice
that like we just get sent here from

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a e W. Everything's kind of
take can care of. I guess this

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is the better part of the job. Yeah, this has been my favorite

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trip ever wrestling. Yeah, it's
a good crew here. Yeah, it's

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a great crew, good thing,
and I want to touch on that thing.

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I'm going to edit this if you
don't like it, though, But

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you had talked about you've talked about
that anxiety stuff. I don't know if

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that was just for us or if
that was for oh nah whatever. Yeah,

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yeah, you mentioned this morning and
again, I you tell me if

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you don't want anything in there,
because that's how I run my show.

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That you were a little anxiety driven, and it's and I only bring that

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up just because I think it's good
to talk about because me berstally, when

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you said that, I was like, oh what, you know, like

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we're wrestlers, were out there,
we're half naked, we're putting ourselves on

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the line, and you were like, I got a little anxiety this morning.

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Yeah, I could. I consider
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be extroverted a lot of stuff,
but it's an introvert I end up,

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I kind of meet I will hit
a threshold I guess of socialization. I

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guess sometimes and just being around just
mass amounts of people and uh, doing

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a lot of my own personal work
over the over the past a few years,

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with like therapy and stuff like that, trying to I guess put a

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put a term to stuff that I'm
feeling, and it's like anxiety was a

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big one of them. And uh, I am trying to also finally diagnosed

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ADHD, so I'm also I'm handling
that I put my I'm on medication.

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I was say I put myself on
medication. I did not. I wrote

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a script. Yeah, yeah exactly. Now I went to doctor and I'm

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on medication and everything now uh therapy
and then uh healthy boundaries with with people

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and family and stuff like that and
just leads to better mental health. Well,

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I just I say, because we're
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you know, and we could both
talk about our things because you know I

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have that too, and I'm I
found myself and tell me what you think

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about Like the I found myself a
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then once when you're younger and you're
starting wrestling, you're just like, you'll

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do it for me personally, I'll
do anything. Like it was the same.

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I became very extroverted. And then
now like years later, I'm reverting

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back to that same inch over.
But when the when the light is on,

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I'll do anything, right. I'm
a maniac, right, like you

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put a spotlight on me. I
there's something different about that too, because

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like when you're in the ring up, you're surrounded by the imense amount of

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people there. They are watching you, but you're not having to like really

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get to know each and every one
of them. And then like when you

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go into back into the back into
the business setting, it's like, I

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guess the anxiety was also from having
to meet a lot of new executives and

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a lot of this and a lot
of new stuff and just I guess all

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the new amount of people that I'm
having to meet and then also represent at

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the same time, aw and all
this it's just you know, a lot,

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I guess when you because you've done
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I so so lately I found myself
under a lot of anxiety and so I

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and I also have been, you
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I remember, because I've got this
like shock of whatever it is through my

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body that I I guess you learned
that it's anxiety. But like I'm trying

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to think of back to when I
had that kind of anxiety, and it

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was when I would go to WWE
and do extra work, right, So

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I got my question was like were
you were you also in thats when you

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did that stuff? If by saying
like meeting all these executives, because when

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we're in our you know, we're
trying to get a job in our young

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twenties or whatever it is, it's
like those are all the like the undertaker

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is the executive, right, Like
everybody is the exact Like luckily you're in

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a place now where you're friends with
all the wrestlers, but because there's new

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people, but then you're friends with
nobody. It's so anxiety drive absolutely and

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then like you're you're younger at that
time, so so you don't really have

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you feel an anxiety, but you
don't know how to manage it the right

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way. So you're just kind of
panicking like, oh my god, don't

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fuck it, and you're so.
I for sure it was feeling that then,

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but I just didn't know how to
manage it the best way. Now

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it's like breathing techniques and grounding and
blah blah blah. You know, yeah,

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I just I just I don't know. I just it brought me back

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to those days of just like how
fucking crazy it was, and nobody And

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something I also I've realized is like
nobody knows what you're going through, like

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because someone else like said something to
me and they were talking about like that

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kind of stuff for them, and
I was like, oh, I had

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no clue. The same case and
poys, but like I'm a mess and

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I feel the same with a lot
of stuff out at hiding. I yes,

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And I think that comes with just
the job. You have to you

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have to hide certain stuff because you
can't you don't want people looking at you

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and thinking something, Yeah. I
mean so I kind of comes with it,

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and I don't know. Yeah,
um okay, So when when you

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got into wrestling, were you a
little scared little boy or were you?

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Yeah? I was. I had
a what's the word, like a helicopter

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parents, overbearing parents, you know
what I mean. So it's like I

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was kind of kind of sheltered.
I felt barry sheltered. I I went

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out and I did stuff, I
had friends, but it was a lot

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of overbearing, overbearing and sheltered Barry
sheltered. So then finally turn eighteen,

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it's one of the things were like
I'm gonna do whatever the hell I want

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you know, Uh no, you
can't join wrestling school when you're seventeen,

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and I'm eighteen, Like, well
I'm gonna do it. So my eighteenth

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birthday, I went in to join
wrestling school and you know, tell me

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about how not you're but like,
what does that mean? So you're assume

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me from Los Angeles? I've yeah, born and raised in Los Angeles,

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and it was I commuted to school, to the wrestling school while I was

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also full time at university, and
they just they just thought I was wasting

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my time. But it's wrestling.
Really. That was I guess, my

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way to finally take over what is
mine, you know what I mean.

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It's like instead of having someone else
kind of guiding me, I was like,

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I'm taking my own life into my
hands. And and I mean better

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or for worse. I turned me
into an outgoing, crazy adult man.

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So where in La are you fling? I was born in Burbank. I

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grew up in Rancho Cucamonga, and
then I lived back in Burbank now but

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k fab from Carson City, Nevada. Oh yes, you're from I was,

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yeah, I grew up in Rancho
Cucamonga, the home of the Bucks.

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Yeah, they were. I think
we went to rival high schools.

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They were Alta Loma High School graduates
and I'm Los Olsos High School graduates.

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I mean, I didn't think it
was a real place until I met the

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Bucks. And now all of a
sudden, there's the Bucks, there's Cutler,

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there's you there. It's like,
wait, all these people are from

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there. Who would have thought that
Rachekukamuka, California as a wrestling town?

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Did you know about are you guys
the same agesh Me and Nick Car?

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Did you participate in their backyard wrestling? No? I don't. I think

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they weren't living in Rancho. Maybe
at that time my parents wouldn't let you

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know. They might have been in
a high desert and my parents would not.

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Yeah. Absolutely. Oh were you
obsessed with wrestling? Once I learned

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about it in early elementary school,
I immediately was obsessed with it. Yeah,

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I'm wondering why you didn't find this
backyard group that was putting on like

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look, I don't know, I
don't know. Did you read their book

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and did you like know there?
I don't want to put your apother book,

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but like, was that like a
like was it like, was it.

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I don't. I think there was. It just their little bubble or

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I think so. Yeah. But
I also I think they were living in

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the High Desert at the time Victorville. I don't know the difference. Victorville

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is like an hour away from Kukamonga, so I think they might have moved

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at the time, but I'm not
one hundred percent sure. Okay, I

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just met met a couple of friends
in high school and when I had like

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Steve Austin shirts, and I was
like, what is this? You know?

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And they started telling me and then
I tried to watch and my folks

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wouldn't let me watch it, and
then uh, just flipping channels. I

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think we were on like a vacation
with some family friends and they had both

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they had some sons as well,
and I would hang out with and we

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were flipping through channels and they came
across Undertaker and Steve Auston fighting. I

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said, hey, go back,
and they laughed, were you like this

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ship? And I said, yeah, let's turn it back. And I

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watched Steve Austin and fight the Undertaker? Is that do you think? Is

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that religious? Or like your parents
being like you can't watch wrestling. I

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don't know what it is. Like
my mom as a kid was around it

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with like her father and and and
her family because they went to the Grand

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Olympic. She remember she brought up
the Destroyer to me like that and all

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the I love when older people bring
up random like yeah, like in Chicago,

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it's like I used to watch Go, used to watch Moose no exactly

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that. I was like, oh
shit, you know, but I don't

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know where the disconnect eventually was.
My my dad grew up watching Luca Libre

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and then he told me when he
found out it was fake, it like

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made him so angry and I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What what what?

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Huh what? It's what? It's
what? It's what. I didn't hear.

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You are both of your parents has
fan just my dad Okay, yeah,

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my mom's a white lady. Uh. And did your dad come from

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Mexico? He came from Cuba?
Oh shit, yeah, okay, from

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about like during the Wars. He
came in the seventies when they were letting

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when Castor was letting people go,
so him, my aunt Molly, and

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my grandmother and my great grandmother,
they all left with just the clothes on

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their backs and came over here and
then eventually ended up in California where my

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grandmother, single mom from Cuba,
was raising two children and helping with her

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her mother to live in California.
How did they turn it around? Just

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hustling, hustling that my my my
dad and my my aunt would work work

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from a young age to help help
bring home stuff. My dad was telling

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him all he's stories that he had
as like a server at like the Bottom

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Venture in downtown LA and stuff like
that, and just how much hustling they

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would have to do. And then
he eventually got himself into real estate and

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he became real good at real estate, and he was able to become a

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very successful successful man. He owns
properties. Yeah, he has a family,

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you know, his wife and me
a son, and I have a

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sister m He now lived own a
property into Mecca and there you could take

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very good care of themselves. He's
really an American story, the American dream,

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American dream, American story. Have
you ever been back to Cuba?

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They have? I have not,
are you? I don't know. My

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ignorance is very high. But like
we weren't allowed to go to Cuba for

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a while. No, I don't
know if we're still all. I don't

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know if we're not allowed to either. I think he just still thought got

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to go about it a certain way
to get there. I also was like

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when I was young, they I
wasn't. They didn't have really have me

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learned Spanish either. It was just
like no everything. They didn't really want

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to be be very cuban. Um
and you don't know Spanish. I don't

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know span. I now I know
a lot better. I can understand it,

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but speaking it is still difficult.
Have you gone like in your older

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years, have you gone and asked
like the exact reason or uh, like

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my grandmother has passed away, my
great grandmother's passed away, uh, and

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just whatever little vague explanation I've been
to get able to get from my dad.

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But it's just more now he's like, no, go go learn I

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I what the fuck? Like?
Go whoops? So yeah, whoops?

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My bad? Okay, So they
love you there. Maybe there's probably something.

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There's there's something Cuban in there,
I think so. I think it's

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the they're holding on to you for
eight seventeen point five. The options I

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was given of a job career was
like medicine, an attorney, you know,

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or something business where you can make
a lot. Less matter Jewish parents.

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All right, so you you're eighteen. I did the same thing.

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I said, Mom, I'm eighteen, I'm a grown up. I can

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make my own descent. I'm going
to wrestling school. She wanted me to

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go to college, and I did
have to. But then I also went

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to wresting school because I'm eighteen.
Yeah, fine, I'll go to college.

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But I'm a grown up. You
can't tell me what to do.

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But okay, you can also tell
me what to do as long as you

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let me go to wrestling school for
my college. Okay, who do you

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find? Who do you find?
And how do you find? Oh?

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Okay, So I am I think
at the time, I'm still seventeen.

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I'm not eighteen yet, and I'm
at a I have this little job,

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my first job ever, at a
at the mall, the Victoria Gardens,

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And it's a little little kiosk outside
that sell in their courtyard that sells T

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shirts and it was your Skin Industries. Those a god awful bro T shirts

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like the naked women and it's just
so cringe bullshit. I sold all this

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Inland Empire dog shit clothes. And
then slow day I had the computer and

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I'm just on the Internet. I
went on world famous socalen censor dot com

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and found Charles Mercury had posted something
on the most message boards about wrestling school

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in Anaheim. So when I turned
eighteen, I went down there. Now,

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were you a person that was going
to sokael like every day? I

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was, Oh, so consensu.
I never posted, So I was never

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a board guy that posted, but
I did. I would go to it

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because I wanted to no events.
I wanted to look up events, and

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00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:11.920
then I also wanted to see,
so you were you were going to indies

407
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:15.200
too? I started I was at
this point going to indie's. My very

408
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.799
first show i'd gone to was PWG
in Rosita, and then I went to

409
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:22.240
a couple more, and then I
started going to uh E WF nearby Jesse

410
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:26.839
Hernandez's. I went to a couple
of Aws Spark Kapitski shows where I saw

411
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:30.519
Adam Pierce beat the shit out of
a little cholo with the Induba title.

412
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:34.039
You could have put anybody in that, anybody, anybody. Yeah, And

413
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:38.319
I'll never forget that show because I
don't know what it was, but Pierce,

414
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.599
he spat, he spat this loogie
and it ended up right on my

415
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:47.359
friend Google's and I lost my mind
because I saw he was He's this white

416
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:51.400
guy said the real pasty skin and
his face just got red as a tomato.

417
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:56.279
And I'm just best show. And
Pierce could not give a five up.

418
00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:00.799
Yeah, it was seen him beat
up many audience members. Yes,

419
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:03.880
it was just nothing to laugh about
it, right, I'm all was laughing

420
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.920
out of sadness. Yes, I
feel he's changed his ways, but who

421
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.960
really knows at this point. I
love at him one of our favorites,

422
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:14.279
of course. Okay, yeah,
because I don't know. I'm always curious.

423
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:15.559
It's just like for me, it
was a little bit of like oh

424
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:19.400
the first like they say, do
your research, but I'm just like a

425
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:22.119
wrestling school near me, I gotta
go. I did. I did do

426
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.359
my research. EWF was too too
much money for what I had at the

427
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:29.680
time. I was, you know, just that little job. And then

428
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:33.359
uh, I don't know if you
was PW might have been gone, and

429
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:34.920
then I don't know if there was
any I don't think I found. Some

430
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:37.519
of the others that I found were
too too far and in other states,

431
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:45.119
and then just Charles Mercury was running
his academy up in junction with other academies,

432
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.119
so it was like you pay.
It was sixty bucks a month and

433
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:48.960
I could go to any one of
these classes. The only trainer I knew

434
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.119
of though, was Charles because he
was on PWG and he was doing all

435
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.640
the stuff around in the area,
so I did kind of do my research.

436
00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:02.240
He also had Scorpio Sky and at
the time Ronan and Mister Excitement,

437
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:04.119
and then uh, he would have
a couple of others. I would come

438
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.319
through, like Scott Lost and Chris
Hero was there my first day. Cannas

439
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.720
Lerey taught me my roles. Yeah, it was great. The young Bucks

440
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.279
came through a couple of times and
like like rerolled around together. So he

441
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.319
had schools at different places. He
had just the one school in Anaheim,

442
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.640
but it was a part of another
It was a part of a jiu jitsu

443
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:23.480
gym that also had other wrestling schools
that ran out of it. And it

444
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:27.119
wasn't his ring. It was Food
Dogs Ring, Rest in Peace, Okay,

445
00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:30.440
Yeah, it was just it was
a local guy in the area and

446
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.079
Chris Hero was at your first day
of wrestling training. He was at my

447
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:36.599
first day of wrestling training and I
was like, oh, this is cool,

448
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:40.720
but I couldn't learn anything from him
again because I don't know anything.

449
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:44.559
And Cannas Larey blessed her heart,
was very sweet to us. And you

450
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.319
know, she took me and my
friend Googles, who was training with me

451
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.319
at the time, took us away
from the other students, showed us our

452
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.160
roles, and then threw us back
in with the other students. Right,

453
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:56.240
have you ever told hero of that
story? H Like, there's I mean,

454
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:59.359
there's no way he remember. I
don't think you'd remember. I haven't.

455
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:00.559
I don't have see I haven't run
into him a long time. I

456
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.960
don't talk to that man. I'm
tell him when I see him next.

457
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.480
Yeah, I was very upset that
he didn't teach me. He was great

458
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:08.480
man. He was he was great
and having a lot of nice things to

459
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:11.799
say, and he did help us, like with tweak our roles and stuff

460
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.279
like that to fix him. So
that was really cool. So Charles Murkley

461
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.000
was your number one. But but
there is something, I mean, I

462
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:22.440
think PWG speaks for it, and
there's this like there is like a family.

463
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:29.079
Well, I don't know. I
feel in Chicago everyone was fighting,

464
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:30.880
uh you know, like don't go
to this place, don't go to this

465
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.920
place, don't go to this place. But but but knowing that PWG started

466
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.599
with the six and you just saying
that everyone would just kind of come in,

467
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.279
it does seem like everyone was kind
of like trying to help each There

468
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:45.400
was a lot of people that did
want that camaraderie because it's like why why

469
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.480
have this weird tension. A lot
of schools did kind of have that energy,

470
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.559
and there's still schools that do that
are currently still having that energy where

471
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:55.279
it's like, you know, gang
gang kind of shit and it's uh,

472
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:57.799
it's corny, so corny bro.
Yeah, but it's nice that you could

473
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:03.880
have all of these people, did
you would you recognize them because you would

474
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.200
go to local shows or the other
wrestlers or yeah, like the yeah you

475
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:10.440
know mister excitement. I mean if
you don't know who he is, you

476
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:11.960
don't know who I knew all who
all these guys, Yeah, all these

477
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.799
guys. I had a I had
old old stuff, old footage too,

478
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.279
Like, uh, I went back
and watched a lot of old like Rev

479
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.720
Bro and stuff in the area,
and I just I knew all who all

480
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.680
these guys were. It was great. So Top Talwar was kind of So

481
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:30.279
when I get released from the WWE
in two thousand and nine, Dave Marquez

482
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:36.960
is starting up, uh, this
new Adventure Championship Wrestling from Hollywood in what

483
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:41.079
was the beautiful arena, the Galaxy, the Galaxy Galaxy, which I think

484
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:42.920
up W used to run. Think
so it's called the Observatory right now,

485
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:49.920
I think. Okay, Dave Meltzers, yeah, uh And so you and

486
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.599
I wrestle yep, yeah, and
we I think maybe even the first match

487
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.319
we were We were the very first
match of the entire program's existence. Yeah,

488
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:00.119
yeah, were with us? And
where? And I mean I know

489
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:05.759
you, I just remember you were
I don't know green, you were a

490
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.160
good ver, yeah, but you
were young but good enough that like,

491
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:13.759
I don't know, I feel like
Dave, you know you had you couldn't

492
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:15.599
be fresh out of wrestling school and
doing that position, right, And then

493
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:21.200
I remember Adam praising you, Um, but where were you at your career

494
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.200
in that point? It was twenty
it was twenty ten when I think August

495
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:30.119
twenty ten when the show started.
I had my debut technically is November two

496
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:34.559
thousand and um an eight. But
I had like a single match and then

497
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.519
I didn't have another match until like
April two thousand and nine, so I

498
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.799
was like pretty much a rookie and
a half. Okay, yeah, well

499
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:44.839
but but when you got that second
match, then did you start putting?

500
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:46.599
Yes? Then I was consistent.
I was consistently getting booked. I had

501
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:50.240
two, three, four or five
and six followed pretty soon. You know

502
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:51.759
what I mean? How does that? How does that work? On the

503
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:54.119
scene like that? How do you
I was This is when I started splitting

504
00:32:54.119 --> 00:33:01.279
myself between schools. When I came
I had gotten December two thousand and seven,

505
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:05.359
June to December was I was training
at the end of that. In

506
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.000
December, I broke my arm and
I was out for eight months because I

507
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.920
also had surgery to put a plate
in my arm and take the plate out.

508
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:14.720
When I came back to finally be
able to roll around again, Charles

509
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:17.839
School's gone, so I went to
Aws School and EWF School and I was

510
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:21.519
just drive back and forth so I
can get multiple days of training at once

511
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.119
Barts twice a week, and then
Jesse's once or twice a week, and

512
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:28.920
then I just started excelling from there. And they're the promoters also yes,

513
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.759
and then I had a spot opened
up on a San Berdandino show in November

514
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.480
and they're like, hey, you
want to wrestle, you have your stuff,

515
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.000
And I did have my stuff.
I called up I called up Sky

516
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.079
and put in a few of the
other trainers and I had to see if

517
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:42.200
I can get their blessing, and
they said yes. I called Bart.

518
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:43.839
I was like, hey, I
know I've been training at your thing.

519
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:45.079
We'd say I debut there. It's
a cool if I do it here,

520
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:50.039
go ahead, do your thing.
And then I think my second third match

521
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.279
were at with AWS. And then
my sixth match ever I won the lightweight

522
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:58.240
belt. I beat T J.
Perkins. Yes, okay, and then

523
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.759
I mean, listen, aw he
was obvious, Like the idea of like

524
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:07.000
starting up and getting it is obviously
I'm going to assume the highlight of like

525
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.440
yes, right, yes, absolutely, but yes, but what were what

526
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:15.679
were some of those milestones like how
did you look at the t NA thing,

527
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:21.519
How did you look at like like
when what were the big big things

528
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.320
where you were like, oh this
was this is a this was the next

529
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:30.400
step in my career. Uh,
I've always wanted to be a TV wrestler,

530
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:32.840
so uh, our our match was
was a big deal for me because

531
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.679
I got to wrestle you and then
I got to also take that was aw

532
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.960
Hollywood. Yes, yeah, so
these are the milestones you just want.

533
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.320
Aw no, no, no no, I wanted before. Oh yo,

534
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:45.559
like yeah that, but I was
like, we wrestled because you and I

535
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:47.320
wrestled an aw it's probably my favorite
AW match. I don't know. That

536
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:51.920
was so much fun. But that
the our first match Chapionship Wrestling from Hollywood.

537
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:53.400
It was a big deal for me
because like your Colcabana, I was

538
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:55.559
nothing and at the you know,
at the fucking time. So I was

539
00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:00.360
like given that opportunity to wrestle a
star in my first ever television match,

540
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:04.679
and like that was a big milestone
for me. And then Impact was a

541
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:06.920
big one for me, even though
it was a big one for me too

542
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:10.280
because I was also in awful mental
health and in the worst physical shape of

543
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:14.079
my life. But it got me
a job, which is odd to me,

544
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:16.480
you know, like to be absolutely
the skinniest and in my end just

545
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.559
unhappy and depressed and I got a
job, so I was like, all

546
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:22.480
right, let's do this and that
was good. That was that was?

547
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.639
That felt good? Uh? And
what was it? Was like Furnam nor

548
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:31.599
Fernam and I just wrestled EC three
a bunch and then the Romans once and

549
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:37.800
then what was the story then?
And I think it was EC three was

550
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.840
he was a Dixie Carter's nephew and
they were gonna hype him in his debut

551
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.880
against like a superstar athlete or whatever, and then here comes my little scritty

552
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.199
ass out. But how did you? Why are you the one? Were

553
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:53.800
they in LA So they were coming
out that way and they hit up a

554
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:58.920
wrestler in the area who started,
uh, you started asking around, just

555
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.440
find somebody in the p that he
was suggesting. He suggested Kevin Martinson.

556
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:05.320
He suggested, I think Yuma,
Johnny Yuma. And they're like, like,

557
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.360
too, they look too much like
wrestlers. We need a guy who

558
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.880
doesn't look like a wrestler. So
they suggested it's good old skinny boy pretty

559
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.599
Pete and they said that's it.
Yeah. But at that point, you

560
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.360
I feel you were doing had you
done PWG at them? Yes? Yeah,

561
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:21.920
so like yes, you're accomplished wrestler, Yes, I do. I'd

562
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.280
also shrunk physically, like in the
middle of my career, got even skinnier

563
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:27.880
than when I debuted and then I
like came back and it's just it was,

564
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:30.519
it was just a weird time in
my life. Yeah, okay,

565
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:35.039
Yeah, Well, what you didn't
say doing a PWG show in your milestones

566
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:37.559
P TOWG, I'm gonna call you, I don't know p to BG even

567
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:40.239
as a milestone. It absolutely,
but it's it's kind of it got very

568
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:45.840
bittersweet towards the end, kind of
disappointing, um, because we we had

569
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:46.920
a lot of moment We had momentum
going in and I think we had a

570
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.760
lot of good matches, um,
But a lot of people didn't give the

571
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.360
same respect to the SOCO guys on
those shows that they did to all these

572
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:59.559
other fucking guys. Yeah. Yeah, including like and behind the scenes,

573
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:01.039
there's a lot of just you know, guys kind of trying to punk us

574
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:05.320
and all that kind of shit.
Super Dragon was kind of a dick too

575
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.760
when it came to a lot of
us, and it's just like, yeah,

576
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.719
it is what it is. Yeah, Well, I mean but and

577
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.159
well I see your feelings now,
and I shouldn't have asked, but I

578
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:17.239
have no ill will I think,
I mean to think, I think are

579
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.480
cool. I've I've tried to I've
reached out to him, you know,

580
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:22.599
but it is what it is.
Yeah, But I would imagine if you're

581
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.920
a young especially in that error,
well yeah, no, if you're a

582
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:30.239
young LA wrestler, Yeah, it's
the mecca. I would say at the

583
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:31.679
time, I don't know about now. Well, but I honestly don't.

584
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:35.639
I don't know anything about wrestling now
either. I don't know the perspective of

585
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.039
certain indie wrestling like I know that
I think it still exists because some guys

586
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:42.760
that debut and haven't been there that
long or like stoked about it. Yeah,

587
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:46.000
so I guess good for you.
Yeah. And then did you do

588
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:51.840
WW stuff or just the enhancement stuff. I did enhancement stuff, and I

589
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:57.199
had a tryout in front of producers
at I think it was an Arizona one

590
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.960
that I was an extra at,
and they lay loved it, and I

591
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:05.280
was kept in mind for a job
on two or five Live. And then

592
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:09.400
I got contract here yeah here in
Germany added in Germany, yeah, aw,

593
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:14.840
yeah, And then any other like
any other things that like when I

594
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.800
say about milestones that pop up before
you get that contract with AW, there's

595
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.920
a lot of TV stuff. China
was a big one. And then becoming

596
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:28.760
uh either writer and headed charge at
a Championship Press of Arizona, so having

597
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.320
like being in charge of an entire
new show. It was a regional broadcast

598
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:36.559
to Arizona, just in with Aaron
Phoenix, who Son and Yuma and just

599
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:37.760
to come in there. It was
only three years old too. We came

600
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.800
in and we really we changed the
scene. The first year of the show

601
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:47.159
was very difficult. So this Marquees
had had a hand. Did he did

602
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:52.960
he take over something that was three
years old? Soo Marquees uh with Championship

603
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:57.039
Wrestling from Hollywood. He had then
started becoming this United Wrestling thing where he

604
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:01.679
was trying to start up different cast
programs across the country and it's all become

605
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:04.480
like one big unit, one big
loop, you know. Yeah, the

606
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:08.719
United Wrestling in Memphis and LA and
then Phoenix and uh the Arizona broadcast was

607
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:13.920
really the test for it. So
we had this this promoter that we worked

608
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.079
with in Tucson and we ran out
of the Desert Diamond Casino for about a

609
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:20.519
year with this show, with this
TV show, and then we moved to

610
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.679
Phoenix in the last two years because
we lost the relationship with the casino and

611
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:28.119
that promoter. So that's why me
and my partner Mick Greenwood, we took

612
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:31.920
over in charge of Arizona and we
turned it around just you. That was

613
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:35.280
me and Mick green Mick Greenwood,
Yeah, yeah, so the US too.

614
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:39.039
So we because I remember when Dave
and the Championship Wrestling from Hollywood Crew,

615
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:42.480
only because I was part of it
for so long, like they would

616
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.639
start like taking the bus over the
Arizona that so the very first show Marquez

617
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.719
went and then after that he never
went. It was just me and Mick

618
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.079
ran the entire show. Uh.
Mick would set up a lot of the

619
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.920
stuff with the with the building,
the Nile Theater, and I would set

620
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:58.599
up a lot of the stuff with
the with the wrestlers, and we would

621
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:00.400
write. We wrote the stories to
Geather and we made this the entire show

622
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.519
happen just the two of us.
Did this happen on purpose or did you

623
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.639
seek this out? I don't on
purpose or did you seek it out?

624
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:12.719
It kind of it kind of fell
on my lap. I've always been interested

625
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.159
in stuff, and I was already
kind of producing at the Championship Russell from

626
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.519
Hollywood Show, and then when the
opportunity came up, David asked me,

627
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:21.480
would you like to for you and
Mick to be in charge? I say,

628
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.079
absolutely, let's do it. Is
it an overtaken did you find was

629
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:28.039
it overwhelming? It was at first. This is the reason why I do

630
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.039
none of Like people are just like, do you want to produce? Well,

631
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.840
I do produce for a w when
I'm there, but or not for

632
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.960
Ring about Her. But like you
know, people are like, do you

633
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:37.599
want a book? Would you want
to promote? And it's just like,

634
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.760
like, I get paid nice money
to wrestle. It's ten minutes, Like

635
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.119
I it seems so hard to just
overtake all of this stuff. I wanted

636
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:50.320
to. I just I guess I
wanted to have an over a complete resume.

637
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:52.320
I want to know. It's like
when people say I Could'm all in

638
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:53.559
compass you, I could do it
all. I wanted to be not bullshit

639
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:55.719
about it. I wanted it's like, oh, I've written, I promoted,

640
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.159
I've done this, I've done this, I've done this and it just

641
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:00.320
was a lot of fun. It
was stressful, it don't get me wrong,

642
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.679
but it was a lot of fun. And I really believe that we

643
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.440
changed that the Phoenix scene like for
the better. It got to the point

644
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:09.519
where the show would put itself together. We would pull up sometimes like an

645
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:14.960
half hour late, and the entire
ring crew is there setting up the ring,

646
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:17.639
the doors wide open, and like
the show is put together already because

647
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:21.920
of like the relationship we built with
everybody in the area. So it's like

648
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.840
it started becoming not stressful at all. It was it was like a walk

649
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:28.960
in the park. We all looked
forward to going every month in this van

650
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:34.559
of Pylon's van to drive to Phoenix, just like a crew. It's five

651
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.239
or six eight hours, eight hours, yeah, but it being it flew

652
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:38.239
by because we had the boys and
it was a lot of fun. Yeah.

653
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:43.400
And saw you said, you saw
the crew like grow wrestlers right immensely.

654
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.000
Yeah. Man, everybody really got
a hang of what it was to

655
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:50.440
be a TV wrestler. And I
noticed that big time when we did the

656
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:54.559
extra work at the Phoenix WWE event, because all the other extras were my

657
00:41:54.719 --> 00:42:00.239
guys from from from the Arizona show
except for two of them, and then

658
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.239
those two ended up being paired to
do a match and the match was But

659
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:07.000
then all my guys in there had
hell of TV matches that even the producers

660
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:08.320
were like looking at him, like, good job, good job. And

661
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:12.719
of course I'm patting myself on the
fucking back because me and Mick turned them

662
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:16.239
into TV wrestlers. You know,
do you think do you think about schools

663
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:20.039
and that kind of stuff, like
in your future? I had a school

664
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:24.519
I was. I guess that's another
one, another another milestone moment because it

665
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:29.280
I got to train David Arquette from
from the school hit Why are you not

666
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:32.360
telling me that? Yeah? That's
the fucking It was awesome. This podcast

667
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:36.800
is old. Shout out to David. It was. I ran the United

668
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:40.079
Russells Center in Oxnard, and I
would have classes twice a week. I

669
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.800
had just an a bunch of people
come through, and but then I would

670
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:49.440
start just taking private, private lessons. H David Laghana suggested me to David

671
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.559
Arquette about training. He called me, left me a voicemail. I'll called

672
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:53.880
them back when he set it up, and he ultimately he bought a ring

673
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:55.880
put it in his yard and I
trained him at his house. Yeah,

674
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.519
I mean, take that's so interesting. I don't know if there's like any

675
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:05.679
more details of like was he just
explaining Hey, I mean I guess he's

676
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:07.480
done enough interviews, right. Oh
it was about his Uh it was this

677
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:09.599
movie and everything he was trying to
talk. He told me about what he

678
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:13.440
had in mind and what he wants
to do, and I said, yeah,

679
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:15.719
let's do it. Did he have
fun stuff that you were just like,

680
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:19.840
you can't do that or I don't
you know. He was very respectful.

681
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:25.880
So he's respectful and he's cool,
like he's funny, and he's he's

682
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:30.039
oddly athletic, like I don't know
what. Like everyone was like is he

683
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:35.599
It was like, yes, yes, he's very oddly athletic. Like it

684
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:37.079
was awesome. It was a lot
of fun. Did you guys ever end

685
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.679
up wrestling? We did. We
had we headlined a Championship Wrestling from Hollywood

686
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:44.760
show at the Urbine Improv. We
sold it, sold it out. It

687
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:46.320
was a very I think, our
very first show there. So I've had

688
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:51.400
line the Improv. But he his
first match was RJ right on our broadcast

689
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:52.840
when we filmed it. An Ox
start his match with first match on our

690
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:57.599
show? Was I just meant his
first match in general or was it or

691
00:43:57.719 --> 00:43:59.880
was it in I think it was
J. I think it was r J.

692
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.000
I think like I think like when
they announced like David's wrestling, Yeah,

693
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.599
I think it was would he come
down and train with you guys or

694
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:08.199
are J? Yeah? I think
what I mean, you know, like

695
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.119
to put this match to get right
right? I think as we got closer

696
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.079
he came out here. I think
we I don't remember. I think like

697
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.559
the day of we did most of
that stuff and we might have had a

698
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:21.639
rehearse. I don't remember. And
then so that makes me think of like

699
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:27.840
benefits of a Los Angeles wrestler in
the entertainment industry. Yeah, um,

700
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.679
did you do family feud? I
did? Yeah, So like and if

701
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:35.079
it's just family feud, but I
don't know if there's other There has to

702
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:40.840
be so many because it's Hollywood.
Yeah, and they're always asking like roles

703
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.199
of a wrestler, yeah, or
just weirder opportunities that people wouldn't get.

704
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.440
I don't know, if you have
a list, did some extra work,

705
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.880
I've done some stunt work. I
met David Arquette on a set of of

706
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:57.360
a film before I actually trained him. Um, anything, I wouldn't know.

707
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:00.000
No, I never got completed.
It's called Hank and the San Diego

708
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:05.280
Twins and it never got fucking completed. Um. And then I was I

709
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:07.840
joined the stunt crew for a little
bit and we did a couple of movies.

710
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:09.920
It was one called I think it
was called Pandemic and it was like

711
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:15.320
first person zombie movie and like in
in the trailer, I'm strapped to an

712
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:20.440
ambulance as a zombie just going.
Uh. So that was cool. I

713
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.920
got to do. I got to
fall off roofs with like a GoPro on

714
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:25.119
my head and I got a shot
with a shotgun. So squibs were popping

715
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:30.280
off of me and getting thrown over
cars and everyone thought I had been a

716
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:34.039
stuntman for years. I was like, this is my first day. It

717
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.480
was easy and they're like what yeah. Yeah. And then to what was

718
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:39.840
family? Few just uh, David's
family. That was our family, and

719
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:43.280
it was just it was four wrestlers. It was me, RJ. Dalton,

720
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:46.400
Castle and Jungle Boy and then David
and then we were against p Pee

721
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:51.199
wee Hermann's team. It was all
people from that had been on involved in

722
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:52.760
his show for a long time,
like Jack Harry was there, Drew Carey

723
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:59.639
jokes, Joe mag Magne, Yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah. Well any

724
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:04.679
even the idea of like we were
talking before before, is that Tom Kenny

725
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.679
SpongeBob as announced your matt, you
know, like even luchavavoom is I would

726
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:10.840
put in consideration of like this is
a holly. I was gonna also say

727
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.440
that's another milestone too, because I
got a job at Vavoom in the same

728
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.360
time I got a job at Tena
because of how shitty I looked at the

729
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:20.840
matt. I did a match at
Bavoom. I love avoom so much where

730
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.440
they they teamed me with Candice Larraine. She was like she was my little

731
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:28.039
girlfriend on the beach and on the
on the card in the back it called

732
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:30.280
me the ninety pound Weekling, So
I was the ninety pound weekly to come

733
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:35.920
out with my little little blonde girlfriend. And then it was Cha Chay Caribrera

734
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:38.360
and SoCal under a mask and he
came out all big and he was called

735
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:43.960
monta Quia mask or something like they
know, butterface. And then he comes

736
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:45.280
over and he starts like kick sand
in my face, starts flirting with my

737
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.320
girlfriend. Then his big old chingo
and a girlfriend comes up. It's pointing

738
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:51.360
out, I'm what are you doing? Flirting? Flirting, flirting, and

739
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:55.519
then it turns into an inter gender
mixed tag match, and then the finish

740
00:46:55.599 --> 00:47:00.039
of the match was my girlfriend turns
on me to go joined up with Montequia

741
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:05.440
and then uh, we turned around
and me and the big thick girl beat

742
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.119
them up and then we go leave
together. And that got you kind of

743
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:10.000
a spot and it was a lot
of fun. Yeah, I got it,

744
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:14.599
got me a consistent spot on Bavoom. I'm in the Sexy Mexis now,

745
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:16.000
and then I do a bunch of
other bunch of other acts that she

746
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:19.519
has me do. Right, I'm
supposed to be on the one in October,

747
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.079
and I'm excited for that. But
that's the cool thing about that is

748
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:24.639
just like I remember, you know, I love friend wrestling. I love

749
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:28.800
the weirdness. I love that,
you know, the wrestling at games kind

750
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:32.440
I think it is like, is
uh just a just a crazy thing.

751
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:36.599
You look back at Tommy Dreamer wrestling
at E three, you know, like

752
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.000
for easy w whatever, it is
like we're in the record books of just

753
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:44.280
weird wrestling stuff and I remember being
like luch of them was coming Dichicago.

754
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:45.440
I was like, I gotta get
on the show. And you know,

755
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.159
I know that like my name held
some value. I was in w but

756
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:51.679
they didn't give a fuck. And
when I pitched, like I was like,

757
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.519
oh, I also did this Matt
classic character for a wrestling Society X.

758
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:59.679
They're like, oh, what is
that? The masked weirdness like let

759
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.840
score skies doing the Black President or
whatever. That was amazing. I got

760
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.079
to be a secret services there on
one of them. Yeah, and then

761
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.639
uh he was l presidental with a
secret Service and we had a match against

762
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:12.159
It was Halloween times. We had
a match against like monsters, so we

763
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.559
had a zombie, an alien,
and a bunch of others. You wrestled

764
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.519
as a secret I wrestled the President
secret Service that's got black suit and glasses.

765
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.199
Such a great show. I love
creativity and it's great, man,

766
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:23.480
It's so good. Um okay,
so then you know it leads you to

767
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:28.880
the aw starts. I guess we're
are you. You know a lot of

768
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.199
people were just like I think I
won't speak for you, but a lot

769
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:35.960
of people in wrestling until you know, I feel the young Bucks and Kenny

770
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:39.960
like saved everybody. We're just like, well, I guess this is what

771
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:44.880
it is, and we'll just do
our thing until whatever. And next thing,

772
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:46.400
you know, you know, with
a snap of the fingers, it's

773
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:51.199
like some some of all of our
friends are on national television. Yeah,

774
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:52.039
it was. It was insane.
Is that? How do I mean?

775
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.039
How does is that how it works
out for? It's just your Yeah.

776
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:58.639
But then's like then the two or
five stuff came to me too, so

777
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:00.000
by that at the same time as
the a W stuff, So I had

778
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:02.480
to come had to come sooner.
I wouldn't have been in that and that

779
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:06.039
brain, but I was kind of
in that brain too. It's like but

780
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:07.079
it was a positive mindset. We
were. We were doing a lot of

781
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:09.599
cool stuff in the area with like
bar wrestling was still a thing at the

782
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:14.840
time, and um I had started, I'd gone to like CZW and uh

783
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:15.960
I had worked in the Midwest a
couple of times, so I was like,

784
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:19.679
I think there's still potential here to
do something make some money. And

785
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:22.599
then I'm I'm now the Championship Wrestling, I'm Hollywood producing there and riding Arizona.

786
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:24.119
So I'm like, oh, there's
potential there, you know, it's

787
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:28.000
a real later and then uh and
then when AW does start, it's like,

788
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:31.000
Wow, now there's this is real, this is some and you're,

789
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:37.159
yeah, I don't know what you
is it Tony's vision for a librarian?

790
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:43.880
Is that what it was? I
was told that all of this stuff by

791
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:46.719
I think it was the Bucks and
Cody. Cody had just slid in my

792
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:51.480
DMS at one point after working together
and said, hey, keep may may

793
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:53.000
open. I said, okay,
and that's it. I just okay,

794
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:58.239
and then um, I think CD
and Sky and all them kind of told

795
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.960
me what this idea was about the
librarian. It was Tony's idea, and

796
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:04.920
then the Bucks had their own take
on it as well, and then uh

797
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:07.480
yeah, then it just hear a
librarian. I kind of had to do

798
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:09.880
my own research to kind of figure
out what it was, because really it

799
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:13.559
was just like you say, shows
and that's how you get heat. Tony

800
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:15.280
had one one idea of it,
the Bucks had one idea of it,

801
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:21.800
and then I tried to combine them
into something where we're also telling two different

802
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:23.320
stories. We have one story on
BT and then there's one story on the

803
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:27.519
air, and it got kind of
it got it got confusing sometimes, but

804
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:30.400
it was a nice challenge. Yeah, I mean, and like you're not

805
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:35.159
whatever you're You're the library and is
no longer a thing, right, but

806
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.400
sometimes like my dream was of just
like let's say, like when I went

807
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:42.639
to w B, like I was
like, man, if they just told

808
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.239
me to, like you're the butcher
now, and you know, I was

809
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.719
in. I was in. I
wanted to. I was trying my damnedest

810
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:52.559
to be a librarian. I but
I was like Cracker and Jones, I'll

811
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:54.719
just scoping people go to the school, go to school, become a librarian.

812
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:59.360
Like I was researching what it did. I was reading more, you

813
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:01.360
know, I went and bought specific
clothes. I was trying to do it,

814
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:06.320
and I was I was gung ho, trying to be all in.

815
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:09.320
No pun intended, pun intended,
Yeah, yeah, well intended. I

816
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:13.840
wanted to be completely all in for
this character. And I would have been

817
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:15.199
the like I would be if they
wanted me to be library now up until

818
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.800
the end, I would have done
it and I would have evolved it on

819
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:22.159
the way as you should, right, I am had I had maybe some

820
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.360
more help in developing what the character
was or where it should have gone.

821
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:30.039
Then you know, right, but
then you have this crew now which I

822
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:31.760
love, which is so fun,
right, I love the Wingman. Yeah.

823
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:36.239
And then Jacksonville, like you know, there's something about being like a

824
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:40.039
wrestlers wrestler. Uh, it's just
when you when you're when you're popping the

825
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:45.679
boys, I feel like you're that
you're doing it right, you know,

826
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:49.199
like not like a secret like,
but when the wrestlers are excited for people's

827
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:53.679
characters. Yeah, in my head, that's when you're doing the job correct.

828
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:58.239
I agree. And you know there
was like always a buzz about in

829
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:00.920
Jacksonville is just like how much the
wrestlers just love the Wingman. That makes

830
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:05.840
me happen. And you know it
came from kind of just a hodgepodge of

831
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:07.440
dudes, and it's just like I
think it was a hodgepadge of people that

832
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:12.880
everyone liked. Yeah, and like
we're hoping something and then it was nice

833
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:15.320
when it all comes together and I'm
sure you make some new friends and you

834
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:17.760
guys, we honestly the four of
us really connected and it's it's it's it's

835
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:22.280
really funny watching like them into rat
because it's like we have all been friends.

836
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:24.719
It seems like we've all been friends
for years. At a point,

837
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:27.480
you know, Big says there Big, you know, Big j D,

838
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.159
and then me and themith dumbasses,
you know, yeah, and I don't

839
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:34.840
know, like I you know,
says there had some stuff with his family.

840
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.440
And then also, like you know, you think about like a man

841
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:39.199
who moves his whole first of all, a man who looks like that,

842
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:44.119
Yeah, it should be the champion
of the war of the world. Yeah,

843
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:46.480
absolutely, And then he's got to
move his family back, so like

844
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:50.320
it's all it's cool that there was
a spot. Yeah, and to really

845
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.079
get them to open up and learn
about them, like I says, Our

846
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:57.360
is one of the greatest humans,
the sweetest dudes, and yeah, and

847
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:01.119
um and that's and here we are
today in Germany, right and this is

848
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:05.320
my favorite fucking trip man, Like
I haven't. I've had a blast hanging

849
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:07.920
out with you, with Uno and
yeah, everyone in Helico CD. It's

850
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:13.000
great. Knox. You know you
you talked about going back a little bit.

851
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:16.039
You talked about being you were in
your worst place. You were booked

852
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:19.760
as a ninety pound man. Yeah, I mean, but you turned it

853
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.639
like, yeah, you look like
a wrestler, thank you. Yeah,

854
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.280
yeah, it was motivating that that
all that stuff kind of you let it

855
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:30.800
motivate you instead of just you know, fuck up. How was that turnaround?

856
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:35.039
Was it just like I gotta go
to the gym now, or I

857
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:38.039
gotta start eating or yeah eat,
you just started eating. And it's still

858
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:40.239
the hardest thing for me to do. But it's just sucking down. And

859
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:45.239
you're, brother, yes I am, that's the fan imagine. Yeah,

860
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:50.840
I've always been overactive thyroid when I
was a child. And yeah, though

861
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:53.079
you know, it's just about calories, right, it's just sucking about everything

862
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:57.400
down. And then that's what I
struggle on these trips because I just I

863
00:53:57.480 --> 00:53:59.400
have to, I think, travel
with like a ten pound bag of rice

864
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:02.840
on with me. You know.
Yeah, I'm the complete opposite my friend.

865
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.239
I Yeah, everyone when we talk
to when I talk weight to a

866
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:08.079
lot of people, they're like,
all, I wish I had your problem,

867
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:13.960
Like right, please don't say you
know, it's like it's sometimes I

868
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.000
feel like I look like a legitimate
stick figure, you know, but I've

869
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:22.519
had that. I'm I'm self aware
enough where like I'm not always happy with

870
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.800
it, but I but I do
always see the other side of the other

871
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:30.079
side of the body type of was
struggling that way too. It does make

872
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:32.880
sense to me. You're self aware
and you're smart. That's why, right,

873
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:35.440
Well a lot, right, a
lot of people aren't. It could

874
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:38.079
drive into problems, right, that's
true. But I'm everything's looking good for

875
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:42.239
you. Thank you, man um, thanks for doing this, Thanks for

876
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.679
having me. Yeah, you you're
okay with the mustache in real life.

877
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:51.079
I have been now, yes I
have. I've now tweaked it to how

878
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:52.199
I like it. I didn't like
it at first. It was a little

879
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:54.599
too long on the sides and it
was like very I was like, did

880
00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:59.199
you grow out for sexiness or for
librarians? So I had just a shit

881
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:00.679
beard, this shit beard at the
time, and I was I had it

882
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:02.880
on Championship rustling from Hollywood, and
I was like, I need a shave.

883
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.920
This looks like shit. So at
the at the time, it was

884
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:09.480
at the Hollywood Towers, which was
Marquez lived in the front house and then

885
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:13.840
there was a backhouse on the property
where I lived there. The director Billy

886
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.639
Trask lived there and some wrestlers lived
there, and I was shaving and I

887
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:20.480
had to. I just had the
mustache and I started laughing just how it

888
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:22.400
looked. It was all long and
kind of whispy, and like, all

889
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.519
right, I'm gonna show Dave.
It was like huh, he goes keep

890
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:27.239
it and I go, fuck you, and he goes, no, keep

891
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.199
it. I go all right,
And it was like we were gonna go

892
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:31.880
to a New Year's party that night, so I was like, I was,

893
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:35.559
let me go pop the goofs at
the party. And then the reaction

894
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.679
I was getting from everybody else I
was drinking drinks. I was like,

895
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:39.480
hmm, yeah, I'll keep it
around. And then I started just making

896
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:43.679
it like that until I liked it. You know, I think the world

897
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.599
likes it. I think so I
specifically thank you very much as I keep

898
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:50.599
there, not into your eyes,
but into your mustle, my beautiful stash.

899
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:57.159
Thanks for being on, but thanks
bro. Peter Avalon can be found

900
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:02.880
on Instagram at Ppa all Day and
Twitter at p Avalon. I want to

901
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:07.000
thank Peter for sitting down with me
at gains Com in Cologne, Germany.

902
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:13.000
I thought maybe my international traveling days
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903
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:15.400
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904
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:20.320
the match I had with Chris Daniels
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905
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940
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Cabanta. Thanks. I grabbed that
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941
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:21.559
two Hello, it's me. It's
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942
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:25.719
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943
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Hot air? You gonna need to
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check one two one two one two
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946
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