WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.839 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You 2 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:07.960 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the Randal Champars incident that doesn't 3 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:12.839 involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our 4 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:17.800 heads. It's so classic. Clie Sorcier really standing in the cleary. He 5 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:20.480 turned over to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his 6 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:28.440 eyes and said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live 7 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:34.679 show. We're live every Wednesday at eight pm Eastern Standard Time on podcastufo dot 8 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:38.719 com. During the show, feel free to participate live in our chat room 9 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:43.479 and don't forget to like us on our very active Facebook page. Hello, 10 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:47.600 and welcome to the show. On Martin willis your host. We have Alejandro 11 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:52.719 Rojas coming up in just a minute with UFO updates, and after that we 12 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:57.280 have Kevin Randall, doctor Kevin Randall coming on the show. I always enjoy 13 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.799 speaking with him, a man of reason. I want to thank all the 14 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:04.159 supporters that help us out here. To support the show for two dollars or 15 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:08.319 more a month and you get to hear the whole show, not just the 16 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:12.120 first hour, for free and to do that. The information is right on 17 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:17.959 our website. We also have a one year you know, yearly payments and 18 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:21.120 it's a one time sign up and you could just put the link in your 19 00:01:21.159 --> 00:01:23.560 media player and go from there. Oh, before I forget, I want 20 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:29.680 to announce that I have reopened the forum. The sign up trick question is 21 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:34.879 what is Stan's last name? A repeat guest on the show, Stan Friedman, 22 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:38.280 of course, So it's an easy sign up to join the forum, 23 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:44.239 and on the forum there will be questions posed for the guests. Already. 24 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:48.879 I have a couple of entries this week for Kevin Randall, so in the 25 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:53.680 forum. I want to get that active again and I hope you will join 26 00:01:53.840 --> 00:02:00.159 the forum. So that is it again. Kevin Randall's coming up. And 27 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:06.359 right now we have the Esteemed Aalojondo Rojas. How are you hello? I 28 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:10.159 am good. That was my Esteemed device. Yeah, I like that. 29 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:16.000 Yeah, it's cool you're having Kevin Randall on. He's great. What's great 30 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:21.719 about Kevin Randall too, is that he's a straight shooter. He's very grounded, 31 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:28.360 and you know he's he's got great integrity. He's willing to stick to 32 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:32.080 the truth and call it like it is despite uh what effect that may have 33 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:39.479 on relationships with others, which is a true researcher. So I greatly respect 34 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:44.240 him for that. He's he's a good guy, yes, and just wanted 35 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:46.439 to say that. I'm glad you did also because we're going to be talking 36 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:52.560 also about his blog spot, because I so many times I'm trying to figure 37 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:55.039 something out and talk about the Voice of Reason, it's like, uh, 38 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:59.599 you know it's yeah, you'll find it on his blog and you know there's 39 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:06.159 the answer, are right there? So anyway, I really always enjoy speaking 40 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:08.759 to him, and he's been a repeat guest and hopefully he'll be on many 41 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:15.400 times. But what's going on for the UFO news this week? What's going 42 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:19.159 on? First, I'm gonna plug something hopefully that's okay. Well, you 43 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:23.400 really liked it the last Open Mind UFO magazine video that we did, and 44 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:29.919 we did just post a new one on Friday that I think is even better. 45 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:31.879 I mean, the first one's good. I think it covers the Washington 46 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:38.120 DC in nineteen fifty two event more thoroughly than perhaps you can see out there 47 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:46.120 anywhere else. But this one goes beyond that too hard and fast. Just 48 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:52.680 dispel this fallacy that the Air Force tries to push forward, which is that 49 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:58.840 they have no longer investigated UFOs after nineteen sixty nine. You know, it 50 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:02.639 used to be very consistorial to say something like that, and people will know. 51 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:10.759 I'm not really necessarily a conspiracy guy, but you don't much like Kevin 52 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:17.279 Randall. But we have government documents that not only show us what and when 53 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:23.600 and how they've been investigating, but that just proved that. And these are 54 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:27.040 files that are on the DIA site. These are we offer links where you 55 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:31.480 can go see these things. These are files that are out there and show 56 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:36.800 that they've been investigating and what they've been investigating and how and why. I 57 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:42.959 think it's terribly interesting. We get into that in this video, and we'll 58 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:47.680 get into that more thoroughly in future videos. But I think people should really 59 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:51.519 like this one. We've got a great response, and I think this one 60 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:59.279 includes information that is not so readily available or known, so I think people 61 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:03.879 will see stuff here that they haven't seen before. So I hope people like 62 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:08.040 it. Yeah, it's exciting. I was so excited to get it out 63 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:11.879 and I would love for your listeners to go check it out. It's free. 64 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.160 And it's on our YouTube. It's on your YouTube and you can access 65 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:19.720 that through openminds dot tv as well as I will put that on my sidebar 66 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:25.920 and on it'll show on all my web pages. SAT. Thanks buddy. 67 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:29.240 Yeah, well you have to do is just click on it and click the 68 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:32.079 I don't know what you call expand button and I'll just take over your computer. 69 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:36.000 That's all works. So I have three stories here I want to get 70 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:41.519 through, if that's okay. The first one, it's just kind of interesting. 71 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:46.680 This is a guy in New Zealand who had a siding on September one. 72 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:49.399 He drew some pictures of it and which is kind of funny and I'll 73 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:54.160 tell you why in a minute, but essentially, this was about nine pm 74 00:05:54.439 --> 00:06:00.360 on September first, and he said he saw this big, bright, blowing 75 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:03.959 ball. It was huge, and he ran and he grabbed his camcorder and 76 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:08.639 he filmed it, he says, for about seventeen minutes. And he said 77 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:13.040 there were six smaller craft, maybe even seven, and there was also a 78 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:18.800 red or beneath beneath this craft, and that these crafts kind of attached to 79 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:23.279 each other and this whole thing was going on. So we watched it for 80 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:26.879 a while and he filmed it. He says he got like five or six 81 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:31.720 really good minutes of video and he tried to send that to his friends and 82 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:36.560 family, but it didn't work and said, in fact, he said some 83 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:44.319 bastard had hacked it. And that's a direct quote. So yeah, and 84 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:46.519 that's what he gets into is that, you know, attacked and he couldn't 85 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:49.800 share the video. So if a move on person wants to see the video, 86 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:53.720 they're going to have to come to his house because it won't work when 87 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:57.439 he tries to email it to people. Of course, some people have said, 88 00:06:57.439 --> 00:07:00.720 well, you know, he's suspicious at somebody's keeping it from getting out, 89 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:04.639 but or of course said it was hacked. But it's just kind of 90 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:10.160 a funny interesting story there. It's probably just too big of a file to 91 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:15.319 go through. Email from a Kiwi kid. You're right, did you know 92 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.879 they call New Zealanders kiwis No, I didn't know that. We have some 93 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:24.720 listening to the show. Yeah, yeah I have, and it's not a 94 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.720 bad thing. They like it. Oh okay, good, yeah, all 95 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:30.279 right, because you the way you said it was like, oh, you're 96 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.199 a friend in my New Zealanders. No, they like it. It's he's 97 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:38.920 cute, okay, So I'll do a shout out to the Kiwi kids out 98 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:44.839 there. Mm hmm. So it was another old the right, yeah, 99 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:48.600 Kiwi's Actually I added the kid part myself. I think this person it was 100 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:54.959 a Kiwi kid. Uh huh. So a Hawaiian UFO story. This is 101 00:07:55.000 --> 00:08:01.360 a photograph that was taken in Hawaii on October twenty third, so just about 102 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:05.399 a week ago or so. And they took some pictures and in one of 103 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:11.120 their pictures is kind of a golden dish shaped object. So they thought that 104 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:16.079 was weird and they turned that in and you know, typically if this object 105 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:20.480 was gray or a bird color, I would say it's a birder or a 106 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:24.240 bug. But it is a weird color, so and it still could be 107 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:26.120 a burder bug. You could see, you know, the person zoomed in 108 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:33.120 to be able to see this object a beautiful landscape in Hawaii. Funny thing 109 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:41.039 is it was by can Canoa Bay. I'm probably saying it wrong, but 110 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:46.600 funny thing is this story has been picked up. Our stories keep getting picked 111 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:52.600 up by the British tabloids and they don't credit us at all. At Open 112 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.720 Minds Unfortunately, I must say there's this inquisitor that picks them up also, 113 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.240 but at least they credit us. And I don't mind people picking up our 114 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:03.320 stories and writing about them. It's just nice to say, you know, 115 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:09.120 you got it from open minds. But of course the British tabloids being what 116 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:13.360 they are, they have to add to it. So if you see some 117 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:18.480 stories out there about Hawaiian UFO base, that's where that stems from. Is 118 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:24.320 this story. So they picked it up and they've jumped because well, and 119 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:28.240 you can't blame just them, although putting that in the headlines is kind of 120 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:35.240 silly. This was also suggested by a UFO person that they spoke with, 121 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:41.240 and unfortunately they like to talk to people who come up with these wild theories 122 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:43.600 every time they show them a picture and then they go with that. But 123 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:48.360 yeah, so they've gone so far as to say, just because of this 124 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.840 picture of a possible cloud or bug, maybe something more interesting, but off 125 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:58.320 of this fuzzy picture, they have determined there is a UFO base. It 126 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:03.559 must be underground, yeah, Hawaiian dulci or something. Yeah. Wow. 127 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:09.840 A more interesting picture on the third story is actually of some lights, a 128 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:16.960 light phenomena that is from Italy and they believe them to be earthquake lights. 129 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:22.080 But the picture is actually not what the story is about. The story is 130 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:28.399 about a research group that is creating a peer reviewed journal. So they like 131 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:33.759 to use the term unidentified aerial phenomena. That is a term used well, 132 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:45.200 it's credited for being coined by essentially NARCAP, which is the National Aviation Reporting 133 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:50.799 Center on Anomalist Phenomena. One of their founders, Ted Rowe, is actually 134 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.279 working with some other researchers and I know one of them is Erica Luke's and 135 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:58.759 they are putting together they're going to try to start a peer reviewed journal. 136 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:03.000 So they're going to try to get some scientists together and create this journal because 137 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:07.720 you know, essentially, if you're trying to investigate UFOs, there's no peer 138 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:11.240 review journal where you can get you know, experts and scientists to look at 139 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:16.399 it to figure out if this is truly an anomalous phenomena. So they are 140 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.000 looking to do that, and so we kind of have an exclusive press release 141 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:26.679 written by Ted Row himself and we posted that on the website to show you 142 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:28.840 what they're up to and how they're going to create this group, so it's 143 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:35.320 really cool. So these Italian potential earthquake lights pictures is one of them that, 144 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:37.919 you know, the type of thing they want to look at. They 145 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:41.120 also want to look at, you know, things like the hes Dylan lights, 146 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:46.639 the Marfa lights, places where people see these lights often but we don't 147 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:50.679 know what's going on with them. So that's pretty cool. And I should 148 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:56.399 mention that Ted Row and Eric Alukes will both be speaking at the UFO Congress 149 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:01.279 coming up here in February. Go to Ufocongress dot com to find out more 150 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.120 about that, or Open Minds doat TV to find out more about all of 151 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:11.120 these stories and about the conference as well. Excellent, Well, thanks so 152 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:15.639 much. I'm gonna have to ask Erica Luke has been on a number of 153 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:16.720 times, but I'm gonna have to get a hold of this Ted Row. 154 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:20.440 Yeah, that sounds really interesting. Maybe I'll get him on the show coming 155 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:24.240 up. You should. Yeah, he's a great researcher, I mean, 156 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:31.559 NARCAP I think is credited as being one of the most serious and important I 157 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:37.600 think organizations researching this stuff. They write papers and they'll put papers on their 158 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:43.879 website, but they are not they don't seek you attention from the press or 159 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:50.600 otherwise, because really they're working with organizations across the world, like the French 160 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:58.000 UFO organization. They work with aviation organizations and pilots, so they're very careful 161 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:03.200 about their research and how they frame it to make sure that they come across 162 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:07.360 as scientific and professional. And doctor Haynes, who works with Ted Row, 163 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:11.279 worked for NASA for many years. That's where his career was as a scientist. 164 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:16.000 So yeah, they're a great organization and Ted will be talking more about 165 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:22.320 their research. Great, excellent, Alejandro. So we will be talking to 166 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:26.200 you next week. All right, talk to you next week, buddy, 167 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:30.000 Thanks very much. All right, everyone, hang in there. We'll be 168 00:13:30.159 --> 00:14:46.240 right back after this quick music break with doctor Kevin Randall. Hello, Kevin, 169 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:50.159 Hello, how are you. I had to turn my mic back on 170 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:56.399 glad to have you back on the show. I was looking and it was 171 00:14:56.840 --> 00:15:01.960 let's see October twenty eight, two thousand fifteen, so just over a year 172 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:07.120 and it seems way too long, I think, so too. Yeah, 173 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:13.360 So you have a book that came out this year I do called Roswell in 174 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:18.559 the twenty first Century. What I had done, well, actually, what 175 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:24.200 I had thought about for a long time of doing a Ultimate Roswell book. 176 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.840 Look at all the evidence, look at all the information that I've gathered, 177 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:31.600 look at all the information that's been published and said about the case. And 178 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:37.080 Tom Carey accosted me in Roswell. He said, want to go out to 179 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:39.720 Church's Fried Chicken for lunch? And I said, of course, because I 180 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:45.039 would not turn down churches Fried Chicken. And he proposed that we do the 181 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:48.519 Ultimate Roswell book. And the project kind of grew out of there. I 182 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.360 had been thinking about it and actually had talked to a publisher about doing it, 183 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:56.000 and he decided that what they wanted to do was books that had lots 184 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:02.600 of different cases in it, just a single case. But anyhow, the 185 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:06.759 whole plan with Tom Carey fell apart, and so I decided to continue on 186 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:11.039 myself. But I looked at everything that I could possibly find it determine what 187 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.759 is fact what is fiction? Where we stand today in the case, And 188 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:21.360 as I say to practically anybody who will listen, it'll probably annoy everybody because 189 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:29.000 it doesn't leap to the conclusion that what fell at Roswell was extraterrestrial. But 190 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:34.399 it also he kicks the stool out from underneath the skeptics who believe it was 191 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:38.159 Project Mogul. So there's a little bit for everybody in there. There's a 192 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:47.080 little bit in there to annoy everybody. Well, you've been at that particular 193 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:55.919 research project for thirty is it thirty years we started? I think Don Schmidt 194 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:03.000 approached me in nineteen eighty eight and I went to the Center for You off 195 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:04.880 of Studies and we all talked about what was going on, and we made 196 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:11.559 our first research trip to New Mexico in February of nineteen eighty nine. I 197 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:19.400 had arranged a meeting with Bill Brasel, which turned out that I did it 198 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:22.640 right. I mean, people would call him and want to meet with him, 199 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:23.559 and he didn't want to do it. And I just sent him a 200 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.400 letter and said, you know, if he'd like to talk to us, 201 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:30.279 give me a call, give me a collect call, and we'll chat. 202 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:33.920 And he said when we got down and talked to him, he said he 203 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:37.440 really appreciated being contacted by a letter, not phoned for an interview. And 204 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.119 he said that he had told his wife surely that if he liked us, 205 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:42.480 he would help us out, and if he didn't, well he just blow 206 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:47.519 us off and Apparently he liked this because he provided us with great deal of 207 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:52.279 information. But that whole research trip into New Mexico just blew up. We 208 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.160 were supposed to meet with Frank Joyce and he got sick, and I'm thinking, 209 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:59.519 yeah, right. We were set to meet with an Albuquerque UFO group 210 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:06.720 and they turned out to be wackos. We went down to Roswell. We 211 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:08.880 talked to Cliff Stone, but he really didn't have any insights into the thing, 212 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:12.799 and I'm thinking this is really not going anywhere. Then we met Bill 213 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:15.680 Brasel. I said, oh, have you there's something to this after all. 214 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:22.960 So, yeah, we've been doing all of this since nineteen eighty nine. 215 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:30.480 I don't know how many trips I've made to New Mexico and to talk 216 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.119 to witnesses, to look at the sites, to do all of that sort 217 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:40.799 of thing, looking in archives and libraries and everything that we could possibly think 218 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:44.680 of that might provide us with a little bit of insight to what went on 219 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.319 in Roswell. So we have a great deal of or I have a great 220 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:52.599 deal of information about it and have been doing it for quite a long time. 221 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:57.640 Yes, well, you sort of just I think I would call it. 222 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:03.000 You sort of just dropped bombshell, and I can't let it go without 223 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:08.759 asking. Did you say that has nothing to do with extraterrestrial No? I 224 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:14.599 did not. Okay, I said it doesn't lead us directly to the extra 225 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:18.960 trest It's something actually, I've said for a long time that if you eliminate 226 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:23.680 all the explanations, Mogul being the latest one thrown up, you really have 227 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:30.960 nothing left that doesn't take you directly to the extraterrestrial, but it is suggestive 228 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.680 of it. And I think that where we stand today, you look at 229 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:40.160 the evidence, the evidence which is basically testimony. We have very little documentation, 230 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:42.759 especially official documentation. We have a lot of newspaper clippings that don't take 231 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:47.880 us anywhere. We've had an awful lot of witnesses who came forward who lied 232 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:52.720 about it, and we can point our fingers any number of them when we 233 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:56.640 get when all of a sudden done is all we have is the testimony, 234 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.400 and now a lot of it collected from family members, not even the person 235 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:10.599 who was involved. So the amount of testimony we have doesn't really take us 236 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:12.640 anywhere. I mean, you've got people who talked about seeing the bodies, 237 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:17.000 and there's a couple that seemed to be fairly credible. But you have people 238 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.680 who talked about the debris and how it was nothing like they'd ever seen before. 239 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:25.240 So that suggests it, but we don't have the thing that you would 240 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:32.519 want to prove it. The Roswell slides last year suggested we may be getting 241 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:34.720 to the point where we have the smoking gun, and as everybody knows, 242 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:40.920 that blew up, so that we're stuck with that sort of thing. Linda 243 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:47.599 Corley did a book about Jesse marcel sor she lived in home of Louisiana where 244 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:52.240 Jesse Marcel lived. And I don't know why anybody who'd ever left Louisiana would 245 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.160 come back to it, but I'm sorry, I shouldn't say that Louisiana is 246 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:03.920 a nice place. But she had sat down with him and apparently recorded four 247 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:07.599 or five hours of interviews with him and his wife and about what went on. 248 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:12.359 And you read her book, which is cleverly called I Think for the 249 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:17.359 Sake of My Country, and it's Linda Corley and it's about her interviews with 250 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:21.240 Jesse Marcel, and you read that thing, and Jesse Marcel is saying things 251 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:29.720 that are very disturbing that suggests maybe he tended to embellish things a bit, 252 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:33.319 and so you begin to worry about things like that. And I mean, 253 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:37.960 if you're looking at this objectively and you read what Jesse Marcel said to Linda 254 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:42.799 Corley, and she's basically provided a transcript of those interviews, you find some 255 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:48.440 disturbing things in them. And you look at the interview that he did with 256 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:56.000 Bob Pratt. We have the transcript for that, the Pride interview from nineteen 257 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:00.000 seventy eight, nineteen seventy nine, eight pages, and it's it's it's somewhat 258 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.680 confusing an interview. And there's one point where if you put a comment in, 259 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:07.359 you change a whole meaning of the sentence. And that's the point where 260 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:11.680 Jesse Marcel is talking about how he was forced to be all out of an 261 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:15.480 aircraft that was shot down, and Pratt says, everybody survive, and he 262 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:21.200 says all but one crashed into a mountain. Well, that sounds like he's 263 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:25.920 saying everybody died except one guy, you know, uh uh, other than 264 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:27.640 one survivor, you know, one survivor everybody else crashing the mountain. But 265 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:33.599 you put a comment there and it says one and and and then you you 266 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.039 changed the meaning of the sentence that everybody survived except for the one guy who 267 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:41.160 crashed into the mountain. So it's it becomes very confusing and very very disturbing. 268 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:45.440 But you look at that sort of thing. You look at what Walter 269 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:52.039 HoTT said for virtually his entire life when we were discussing this with him, 270 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.720 and what he said repeatedly. In one of one of the cases, it's 271 00:22:56.440 --> 00:23:00.759 from from a film that was made, they're asking him if he ever saw 272 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:04.039 the object and he said, well, no, he'd ask Colonel Blanchard if 273 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:08.319 he could, and Blanchard said no. And then we get the AffA David 274 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:15.799 that he signed within a couple of years of his death, and it alters 275 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.000 everything that he'd been saying for years and years and years, and that has 276 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:22.160 to be disturbing. You can say if you want, well, he was 277 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:26.680 protecting the secret as he was required to do by saying that, and then 278 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:32.519 upon his death he let the secret out. But I mean that only goes 279 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:34.640 so far and kind of excusing these sorts of things. So there's a lot 280 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:40.440 of disturbing things that when you sit down and you look at all the evidence 281 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:47.000 and the testimony we have, it just doesn't seem as robust as it once 282 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:49.960 did. Is it cloudy too? You know? I mean, is there 283 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:59.279 too much in the mix to decipher? I think the problem is we have 284 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:03.920 to eliminate the liars and the charlatans and the embellishers from the case. And 285 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:07.720 if we can do that, we end up with a core of information. 286 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.079 Is very interesting. For example, I guess the best way to say it 287 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:15.680 is, you know, they released the rosv Armi airfield released of the press 288 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:19.000 release that says, yeah, we have a flying saucer, and you interpret 289 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:23.640 that in many ways, and then you have three hours later everybody say, 290 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:26.000 no, nah, it's just a weather balloon, which is which is a 291 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:32.200 cockamami explanation. So you know, you go off in those directions and it 292 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:37.359 becomes is something clearly fell, something clearly extraordinary happened. Clearly there was some 293 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:42.440 sort of cover up, But that does not lead us to the extraterrestrial. 294 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:48.720 It is suggestive of something unusual. It is it can be suggested that that 295 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.640 does. It takes us toward the extraterrestrial, but it doesn't get us there. 296 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:57.839 What we need is physical evidence, We need documentation, We need all 297 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:00.440 of those sorts of things, and we simply don't have it right now. 298 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:11.720 Yes, how about let's talk about the Raimie memo. If technology keeps advancing 299 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:18.119 as far as the blurring and you know, documents, do you think that 300 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:26.039 someday that document will be able to be completely deciphered. The problem is it's 301 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:30.319 on film, and there's only so much you can do before you get into 302 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:36.200 the grain of the film that becomes confusing. We had thought, and I 303 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:44.799 say we, David Rudiak being one and a couple of experts in photography and 304 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:47.880 photo analysis and that sort of thing. I mean experts in the field that 305 00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:51.839 work with police departments and all of that sort of thing. I mean, 306 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:56.880 highly skilled, highly intelligent, highly qualified to do this. We thought if 307 00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:00.359 we could get a scan of the original negative, we might be able to 308 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:07.079 do that, and just prior to the Roswell Slides presentation in Mexico City, 309 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:12.559 they were able to do that with the help of the University of Texas at 310 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:15.799 Arlington. I was supposed to be there. I got sick and couldn't go. 311 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:21.440 But with the help of the University of Texas at Arlington and the people 312 00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:30.880 there who were very cooperative, we got the best quality scans possible in various 313 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:37.359 I got various arrays, various ways the from with filters and non filtered and 314 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:42.200 using microscopes and everything that you could think of trying to do that. And 315 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:47.680 one of the experts says, you know, if if the photography then just 316 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:52.680 you know, like twelve inches closer, we could we could probably do it. 317 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:56.039 And I'm thinking that we may. We may have taken it as far 318 00:26:56.079 --> 00:27:00.240 as we can. David. David's got a anale of it that he's pretty 319 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.599 convinced is correct. I think, you know, it's based on a little 320 00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:11.119 bit of supposition on his part, but he's done the best analysis of anybody, 321 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:14.680 and he thinks that he can He can read it pretty well. What 322 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.200 we need is to be able to say this is the way we got here. 323 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.759 If you follow these steps, you will get there too. And right 324 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:29.079 now we can't do that. We cannot clarify it to the point where you 325 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:34.000 can say this is what it says to a great deal of certainty. And 326 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:40.319 so I don't think that the technology is ever going to get us to a 327 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:42.240 place where we can do that. Yeah, when you talk about it goes 328 00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:47.799 down to the grain of the film. It seems like that is made. 329 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:53.839 That may be where it loses the whole you know, prospect of being able 330 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:59.480 to be read. And I know, you know they probably probably will be 331 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:07.440 software that will make conclusions, but it could never be you know, uh, 332 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.119 if we could, if we could get a consensus, really high consensus, 333 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.400 that would be something and and you know it and it may it may 334 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.759 turn out to be nothing that was created by the military. I mean, 335 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.039 the document he sold, he may not have been created by the military, 336 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:26.440 because there's a possibility that Javon Johnson, the photographer, the man that took 337 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:30.799 the pictures, actually brought the teletype message from the Fort Worth Star Telegram to 338 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:36.000 Ramy's office and handed it to him. There is the possibility that's where the 339 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:40.920 document came from. And Johnson said at one point that's what happened. He 340 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:45.319 he'd he'd come in and he wanted he wanted Ramy to have something in his 341 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.920 hands, so he handed him the the teletype message and then he of course 342 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.839 repudiated that when he realized that that meant it wasn't as important a document as 343 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.839 it would have been if it was something off Ramy's desk that might purport to 344 00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.599 tell us that it was an alien spacecraft. So these are the things that 345 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.720 I examined in the book at great, great depth, you know, these 346 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:10.559 sorts of things looking at the raymy memo, with the latest information that was 347 00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:17.279 available, including the analysis of the of the experts who went to Fort Worth 348 00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.039 and spent their time down there, looking at all of this sort of thing. 349 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:22.000 So you look at all of that stuff at great depth and try to 350 00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:30.119 bring it out in kind of a neutral voice where I'm not suggesting yes, 351 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.240 this is the truth or be this is false. It's here is the evidence 352 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.920 as neutrally and unbiased as I can present it. And I know the skeptics 353 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.920 will say, well, your extraterrestrial bias shows through here, and there's others 354 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.599 say well, you've just become a complete and total skeptics. And all I've 355 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:51.160 tried to do is present the information as accurately and neutrally as possible. And 356 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:57.240 I do definitely appreciate that you do. That's your approach. Now in the 357 00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:03.559 forum, there's a question you you kind of just touched on what you know 358 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:08.759 when you first started on Roswell, and before I asked that question, though 359 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:15.200 I wanted to ask you how many firsthand witnesses would you say that you actually 360 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:22.039 spoke with. Oh, good lord, And there's there's a question that's kind 361 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:29.000 of difficult to answer, simply because I think some of the people who came 362 00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:33.720 forward with what they were talking about really weren't discussing the events in Roswell. 363 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.799 They have confused it with something else. There's a guy named Newly, I 364 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:41.200 think his name was, who claimed that he had seen something in the bombay 365 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.200 of a B twenty nine, and they talk about how it might have been 366 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:49.279 the escape pod from the crash, and I think it was probably an NK 367 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:55.839 m K three atomic bomb mock up that he saw in there, because if 368 00:30:55.880 --> 00:31:00.839 you read his description and what the atomic bombs looked like back in nineteen forty 369 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:04.240 seven, he's basically described that. And the real key is that the silver 370 00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:08.400 plate be twenty nine and silver plate was modified to carry the atomic weapons. 371 00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:15.559 But there was there's a great number of people from the people who were at 372 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.279 the base at the time who Corporal Piles, for example, saw something in 373 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.960 the sky that he talked about that he'd seen. Well, here's the first 374 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:26.519 hand witness seeing something traveling across the sky in the right time frame. He 375 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.519 may be a first hand witness. William Woody talks about how they thought they 376 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.519 saw this meteor coming down and crashing north of town and went out to look 377 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:34.680 for it. I mean, here's the first hand witness to something in the 378 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.839 sky, but it may not have actually been the craft itself, so you 379 00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:45.319 know, it's kind of hard to say there are It was Thomas Gonzalez who 380 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:51.240 was transferred off the base shortly after this event took place, and he would 381 00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:57.079 carve little alien like creatures rather than tell people about they looked like he would 382 00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:00.240 sort of carve creatures of it. And so here here's a first hand witness 383 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:06.720 who who said he saw the bodies. So you know, there's probably forty 384 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.799 five fifty different firsthand witnesses. We talked to the members of Blanchard's staff. 385 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:13.960 Everyone we could talk to, with a single exception, said it was an 386 00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.599 alien spacecraft. Edwin Easley, for example, he was a provost marshal. 387 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:22.200 He was He's a very good example, was very cautious in what he said 388 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.039 and was directly involved in this and apparently saw a great deal, but he 389 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:28.920 was very careful in what he said said about it, you know, so 390 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.119 there's a first hand witness as well, so there's a there's a large number 391 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:35.839 of them, but most of them just have a little peace. They don't 392 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.279 have the entire story, and that that kind of trips you up as well. 393 00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:45.240 Yeah, if only if only this was investigated, you know, right 394 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:49.599 after the cover up or whatever happened when they said it was a weather balloon, 395 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:54.000 if only was investigated at that time when it was fresh, or even 396 00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.920 even even a couple of years afterwards, would have been great. You know, 397 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:02.640 we start thirty five forty years after the fact and then memories do change. 398 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:07.720 That's true, Yep. Absolutely. The question, one of the questions 399 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:15.079 just in the forum is do you think that extraterrestrial bodies were recovered at Roswell? 400 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:22.519 Why or why not? There is testimony to suggest that and from from 401 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:30.400 a number of people. Edwin Easley again suggested that Walter HoTT said so in 402 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:35.519 his later years, but denied knowing anything about them in his earlier years. 403 00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.799 Frankie Rowe, a very nice lady, talks about what her father saw and 404 00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:44.319 then we get about you know, it's his secondhand testimony, her father being 405 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:46.559 a firefighter that went out there, and we're trying to figure that out, 406 00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:50.559 and we talked to a firefighter who was there, a guy named Smith I 407 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:55.119 think it was, who said that the fire fire department didn't make a run 408 00:33:55.200 --> 00:34:00.200 out there, but Dan Dwyer and Frankie's father did his personal car because some 409 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.680 colonel came back by from the base and said they don't need to go out 410 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.119 there, that the base was handling it. You know, I always kind 411 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:10.199 of laugh, it's always a colonel. It's never a captain, never madeor 412 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.800 it's always a colonel came out and talked to him. But I mean, 413 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.920 there's more firsthand testimony that kind of leads to the idea that there were bodies. 414 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:22.840 So there's evidence of that, but the evidence that we have today is 415 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.760 not as robust as it was or what we thought we had fifteen twenty years 416 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.119 ago. And that's because we've learned so much more about the case and we've 417 00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:35.119 been able to identify some of the people who claim to have seen these things, 418 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.280 and you know, it reduces the numbers. At one point I talked 419 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.920 to like eight people who claim to have seen the bodies, and it turns 420 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.440 out not one of them was telling the truth. So you know, you 421 00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:51.199 get into that sort of thing. Now, what about the group that was 422 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:58.480 the archaeology college class or something? Is that what you're talking about? Is 423 00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.840 that something else? No, that's something else. The archaeologists were over on 424 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:06.960 the plains of Santa Augustine, and I think that if there was event on 425 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.920 the plains of Santa Agustine, did not take place in nineteen forty seven. 426 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:19.079 I think the evidence again is suggestive that a couple a couple of assumptions were 427 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.559 made that weren't valid. And by looking through that stuff, and in the 428 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:28.920 book, I go through the entire Plains of Santa Augustine story about that which 429 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:36.039 devolved from Barnie Barnett's tale, and it just again the tale is not as 430 00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:43.320 robust as it once was. The archaeologist's story came through Barnie Barnett, and 431 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:49.719 it just just doesn't seem to work. We can't find the archaeologists. There 432 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:55.519 was a fellow named Anderson Anderson Gerald Anderson who claimed to have seen the archaeologist 433 00:35:55.519 --> 00:36:00.360 and claimed to be out on seeing the plant plains of Santa Augustine with his 434 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:04.880 family. He was like five years old, and he identified the archaeologist. 435 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:09.159 Guy named Buskirk. Turns out Buskirk, who was in fact an anthropologist archaeologist, 436 00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:14.559 was in Arizona at the time and can prove where he was. He 437 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.760 wasn't there, So you know, the Anderson Anderson connection blows up. The 438 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:23.000 Anderson story isn't any good. It's it's clearly fabricated. Anderson claimed to be 439 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:28.119 a Navy seal, and the Navy Seals used to have a website with a 440 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:30.880 wall of shame on it and Gerald Anderson's name was on it for claiming to 441 00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:32.880 be a seal when he was not. I think they've since taken it down 442 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.920 because I think lawsuits have been threatened, and you know, you lie about 443 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:39.639 being a Navy seal and they call you on it and then they threaten to 444 00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:45.760 sue you, the type thing I thinks. Don Shipley does a thing on 445 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:50.639 the web about people claiming to be naked Navy seals and he says, for 446 00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:53.239 every every thousand people who claim to be a Navy seal, one of them 447 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:59.760 is telling the truth. So it's it's it's really just horrendous in that respect. 448 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:05.280 So you move away from the Plains of Santa Augustine and the Barney Barnett 449 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.920 tale, and you move away from some of the other stories, and we've 450 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:16.960 got some interesting secondhand testimony the family of Brown, Sergeant Melvin Brown, I've 451 00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.639 had some communication with him in the last couple of months as a matter of 452 00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:25.559 fact, But it's secondhand testimony what we don't have, and it's kind of 453 00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:31.199 stunning given the era. We don't have letters that mention anything about this that 454 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:36.119 family members would have kept. We have no diaries, we have no journals, 455 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.440 We have nothing like that that you'd expect if this event had happened. 456 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:44.119 The only diary we have and kind of proves the point is Ruth Barnett kept 457 00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:46.000 a diary for nineteen forty seven. It's apparently the only year she did it. 458 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.880 Somebody given of her a daily reminder book and each year, each day 459 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:54.480 she wrote what had happened. And you get into the daily reminder book and 460 00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:59.719 you're looking in July of nineteen forty seven, there's no indication Barnie Barnett was 461 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.000 on the plains us and Augustine seeing a crash flying saucer. In fact, 462 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.199 he counter Dix Gerald Anderson's story of being there on the fifth of July because 463 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:14.880 the diary say Barney was in Secoro buying glass for their windows for the new 464 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.039 house they were building. So you get all of this kind of stuff, 465 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:22.960 and it becomes very, very kind of discouraging when you've got this story Bonnie 466 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:27.199 Barnett seemed to be a great story, and now you find a document from 467 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:30.840 nineteen forty seven and there's just no indications in it at all about this event. 468 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:36.719 And I know Stan has said, well, you know, if it 469 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:38.199 happened and they were scared, and he didn't tell anybody about it. But 470 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:44.360 you go back and you read the testimony of Bonnie Barnett's relatives. Supposedly a 471 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.760 Thanksgiving in nineteen forty seven, he told the story to people, but there's 472 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:52.599 nothing in the diary from that time either. Well, Barney told us this 473 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.480 amazing story of Thanksgiving dinner today about seeing us alien spacecraft. Nothing in the 474 00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:00.880 diary to suggest that at all. Wow. Wow. Now what about the 475 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:08.719 deathbed confession that the in Florida of the woman who claimed to see the bodies? 476 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:15.199 Well, actually, these aren't technically deathbed confessions because that's a legal term 477 00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:21.119 and it usually refers to to admitting to a crime of some kind. All 478 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.519 right, so you know what I mean. Though, yes, we have 479 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:28.679 people who are in very poor health and they know their time isn't long. 480 00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:35.719 I think you're talking about Marianne Gardner, but her caretaker is the one who 481 00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:43.039 talked about it that. I'm not sure where we're going with this one. 482 00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:45.440 There's so many of these things that are from Florida that it just confuses me. 483 00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:52.039 But most of the time it's, you know, secondhand testimony at best, 484 00:39:53.039 --> 00:40:00.199 and given the way things have gone, I'm just becoming a real pessimist 485 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:07.119 about death death bed testimonies and uh, secondhand testimonies, because there's just so 486 00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:13.719 many ways that testimony can go bad or in error. Totally understand that. 487 00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:21.039 Now on the message board, someone's asked asking if you know anything about Chuck 488 00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:25.400 Lytel, saying to General Blanchard that Chester Lytel that comes from a book, 489 00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:34.440 that Robert Robert, Robert Robert. Why is his name gone? And he's 490 00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:38.519 a good friend. I had that happen the other day, so it was 491 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:43.840 asking me and I couldn't remember a friend's name. Well, it's Robert, 492 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:49.320 Robert Hastings. Robert Hastings, Oh sure, yeah, No, Robert Hastings. 493 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.280 Don't call him Bob, Well, Robert, I'm calling him Bob now 494 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:58.880 I'll tell you what later, Okay. He he tells that story in in 495 00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:04.920 his book on News. The Chester Litel. It was going to being flown 496 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.000 from Alaska to Illinois because his wife was about to have a baby and he 497 00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.760 was out there working with the Air Force on something. And Blanchard, who 498 00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:15.360 was now a general and it's the nineteen fifties, arranged for him to get 499 00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:19.559 a flight back to Illinois so he could be there when his wife gave birth. 500 00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:24.440 And on this flight they talked about this event and he and Blanchard admitted 501 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:29.840 to Litel that, you know, there were four bodies recovered. Second hand 502 00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:32.840 testimony again, but given the reputation of Chester Litel, that's much more persuasive 503 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.960 than some of those secondhand testimonies. So what strikes me as odd, though, 504 00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:40.679 is Don Schmid and I spent a lot of time with Chester Litel in 505 00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:45.400 Albuquerque, went out to dinner with him, lots of times, went to 506 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.159 his office and he and Don would get these these discussions that just were a 507 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.960 crashing boar and I'm I got to keep awake, got to keep awake, 508 00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:58.800 you know, they were just having a great time, and I've just lost 509 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:04.719 it completely. But I'm surprised that he never never mentioned a thing like that 510 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.079 to us and even in passing, but you know, that's just the way 511 00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:13.079 it was. Maybe he just became more comfortable with Robert because Robert lived in 512 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:16.159 Albert Creek at the time as well. So it's a very interesting story. 513 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.800 You have to remember it secondhand, but it comes from a very credible individual, 514 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:25.480 so he wouldn't be making it up. And there's other testimony Art mcquittie, 515 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.000 who had been the editor of the Roswell Morning Dispatch, and that this 516 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.599 is the thing that just kills me. Back in those days, there were 517 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.679 two daily newspapers in Roswell, New Mexican. For God's sake, there's like 518 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:42.639 seven people living in town and they got two daily newspapers. But he was 519 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.239 the editor of the Morning Dispatch. And he said that he was at some 520 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:51.239 kind of testimonial dinner that Blanchard attended and they were seated next to one another, 521 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:57.320 and they they got back onto the Roswell case and Blanchard kind of admitted 522 00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.480 to him that there was there were bodies involved. You know, another another 523 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:06.119 secondhand testimony. But but you know, you're getting into the the idea that 524 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.519 Blanchard did kind of spread that story around a little bit. So you wonder 525 00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:15.599 why, hey, why Blanchard would say anything about it if it wasn't true. 526 00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:19.119 And be that why either one of these people would say that, especially 527 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:24.239 Cheester lied little if if it wasn't true. So now makes you wonder, 528 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.280 you know, you're you're talking, we're talking so many years after. I 529 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:34.519 wonder what things are going to be viewed at that is, if we never 530 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.199 find out the truth in one hundred years from now, what's going to be 531 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:43.159 left of Roswell? Of what Roswell would be? Just like a fantasy story 532 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:45.079 or something that you know, it makes you really wonder, doesn't it. 533 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:50.199 Well, you know, a myth from from the Old West type of thing. 534 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:52.360 And you know this, this is the problem that I've had with the 535 00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.440 with the case. You know, at one time it seems so robust and 536 00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:59.360 seeing there was so much going on, and we've just seen so much of 537 00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.519 that collapse. You know, we had the alien autopsy nonsense. It didn't 538 00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:06.840 help. We had the Air Force reinvestigating. Actually the Air Force didn't reinvestigate 539 00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:14.480 the Roswell case. What they actually did was survey different government agencies to see 540 00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.679 if they had any documentation about Roswell, which really isn't quite the same thing 541 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:25.159 as reinvestigating the case, and came up with this project Mogul nonsense. So 542 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:31.000 we've got all of that, and we may be at the point where we 543 00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:35.199 may find out what it really was, if it wasn't extra Trust, Well, 544 00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:42.039 we may find out what caused the reaction in Roswell in nineteen forty seven. 545 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:50.239 That got what sort of thing happened at that time that created this story 546 00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.480 and that as we got into it, and I say we as UFO investigators, 547 00:44:53.480 --> 00:45:00.480 starting with the original researchers got into it, how we kind of morphed 548 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.440 it into a spacecraft type thing, even though that suggestion was out there. 549 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.800 I think Frank Edwards did something in his book A Flying Saucers Serious Business in 550 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:12.760 nineteen sixty five. You know, he mentioned a Roswell case and a crash. 551 00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.800 He got nearly every fact wrong except it was Roswell, and there's a 552 00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:20.760 discussion of a UFO crash. But it sort of morphed into this big story. 553 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:24.840 And we were lucky that we had a list of literally fifteen hundred people 554 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:28.559 who were at Roswell in nineteen forty seven, that we could go to and 555 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.159 see what they might have heard or might might have to say about it. 556 00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.199 But we may find out what really happened. If it wasn't alien, we 557 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.599 might find out what caused it. And you know, say, well it 558 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:45.679 was covered by they felt they had to do this for whatever reason. I 559 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:50.360 can't think of what it would be. You know, here we're moving into 560 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:58.559 nearly seventy years after the event. What possibly could have happened, What possible 561 00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:04.480 secret could it be? What possible terrestrial explanation we could have that we couldn't 562 00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.199 be told today. It's not like anybody who was involved and is still alive 563 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:13.760 to be punished or anything like that. You know, if there's a legitimate 564 00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:17.159 explanation, we should have it by now. And so you know, you 565 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:21.039 know, I say in the book, you know you look at that, 566 00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:28.840 and Segan says extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and I look at the other 567 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:36.559 side where Sherlock Holmes said, when you've eliminated the impossible, whatever whatever is 568 00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.519 left, no matter how improbable, must be the solution. Well, at 569 00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:45.400 this point we've eliminated all the other answers. There is no other answer. 570 00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:51.480 Can we prove it was extraterrestrial. Absolutely not. Doesn't mean it wasn't. 571 00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:54.320 Just means we can't prove it. But there is nothing else that explains it 572 00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:59.360 as far as I know right now this minute. There may be something coming 573 00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:02.320 down the pike that would explain it. And then in the far future they'll 574 00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:05.880 look back and say, yeah, these guys thought it was a flying saucer 575 00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:08.440 from outer space and it turned out to be blah blah blah. Or they 576 00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:10.880 may look back and say, yeah, it was the first contact and you 577 00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:14.880 guys blew it. Oh, by the way, I have to correct you 578 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.480 on something. And that was Marcelo Truseau that actually came up with that, 579 00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:21.719 saying that Carl Sagan stole it. Yes, yes, yes, you're right. 580 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.920 Yes, Marcello Ucie that said that, Yes, you're absolutely right. 581 00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.719 Let's see, there was a question, Oh yes, how about the June 582 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:37.000 crane story. Oh, that's just she wasn't there in nineteen forty seven. 583 00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:45.400 Oh, she had her work history. Her work history is really sporadic in 584 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:51.360 the parachute, what she did in at Right Patterson Air Force Base, it's 585 00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:57.159 really really sporadic. But in July of nineteen forty seven, she wasn't there. 586 00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.400 I had thought at one time, given her work history, she might 587 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:05.880 have been talking about the King of in Arizona crash and but but I think 588 00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:13.320 now that story is a hoax. So I she was a nice lady. 589 00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:15.800 I talked to her. I have letters from her. She sent me pictures 590 00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:22.639 of her garden, among other things, and and documentation I have, like 591 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.440 the original documents. Other people have them up on their websites. They have 592 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:30.719 copies of the documents. I actually have the originals she sent me. But 593 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:36.800 unfortunately, I just don't think her her story doesn't relate to Roswell. That's 594 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:38.639 That's the kindest thing I can say. It doesn't relate to Roswell. Might 595 00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:42.960 relate to something else. She might have misunderstood what was going on. But 596 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:45.840 she's a She was a very nice lady, tried to be as helpful as 597 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.039 she possibly could. But I don't I just don't think it relates to Roswell. 598 00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:55.239 Okay, now I'm going to ask you about Chase Brandon. Why, 599 00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:02.239 because I've never asked you before another cocka Mamie store. Yeah, I'm wandering 600 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:07.760 around the CIA and look in this vault and there's a box name marked Roswell. 601 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:09.440 Why in the hell would it be to Mark Roswell for good, it 602 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:15.239 would be numbered only if if any well, yeah, or it might say 603 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:21.519 Corona, or it might say Flying Saucer crash. But the Roswell Roswell's kind 604 00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:27.000 of a misnomer for this thing that came out of I guess Bill Bill Morris 605 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:31.320 typewriter calling it the Roswell incident, because well, the the very field that 606 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:37.719 Brazel talked about was up up closer to Corona, New Mexico, and there 607 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:42.280 there apparently is a site or two closer to Roswell where the bodies were located, 608 00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:49.159 but it's still quite a ways away. So sixteen uh something like that. 609 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.159 The road's back. Even the roads when we were driving them back in 610 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:57.719 the early nineteen nineties were really some of them are really crappy. You know. 611 00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.599 You you go down this road from Corona to or the turn off to 612 00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:05.719 get to the Brasl Ranch, and you would come to this big sign it 613 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:10.320 says road becomes impassable in clement weather. I could this is the nineteen nineties, 614 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:16.320 for God's sakes. You can't keep your roads. But anyway, so 615 00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:20.679 there's all that sort of thing going on. But this Brandon Chase guy. 616 00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:22.760 I don't know what the hell his problem was. I just that story just 617 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:30.280 struck me as cockamami when I heard it. Yeah, I have heard a 618 00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.679 couple of people that really thought it was something, but I just don't know. 619 00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:36.400 You know, I've never really looked into it that much. But I 620 00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.880 thought the first thing that hit me was why would anything be marked you know, 621 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:44.119 Roswell? I mean, that just doesn't make sense to me, But 622 00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:49.599 that's exactly what I thought, Why would it be marked Roswell? And then 623 00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:53.559 and the other thing is he may have had access to the top secrets, 624 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:58.159 but you know, top secrets are guarded a little bit differently than the other 625 00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:02.280 classification levels. You know, you just can't wander into a vault and start 626 00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:07.039 looking around. You have to have a reason for going in there, and 627 00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:12.519 you're not going and you're not going to be pawing through this stuff. And 628 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.519 you know that's the thing that they that always stuns me about these sorts of 629 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:20.920 things, right, Yeah, I mean it doesn't really make that much sense. 630 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:24.039 A question that came up on the message board a while back. You 631 00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:30.960 mentioned Clifford Stone earlier in your books. He is now a controversial figure in 632 00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:37.480 upology. What is your current view on him and his stories? Cliff is 633 00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:45.480 a very nice guy. I visited him at his house first time I ever 634 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.519 met him. We were He didn't want to meet us at his house. 635 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:53.159 He met us at the Burger King North Main Street in Roswell. I say 636 00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:58.360 that for the Burger King to get some publicity. I don't know why. 637 00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.880 But so he shows up in uniform, in his sergeant's uniform. He was 638 00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:07.639 retired, No, he wasn't retired yet, but it was a Saturday afternoon. 639 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:08.360 He should have been in civilian clothes. I don't know why he showed 640 00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:12.639 up in his uniform and he takes it. Then he takes us to his 641 00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.599 house. I'm thinking, well, this is really stupid because his name is 642 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:17.920 in the phone book, so I mean, anybody wants to find him looking 643 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.039 up in a phone book. So he takes us to his house. When 644 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:22.159 we go inside and we're sitting there, and says, oh, I gotta 645 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.440 go, I'll be right back. I got to get something out of the 646 00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:27.400 car. And he goes outside the car and he comes back in and he's 647 00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.119 carrying this folder. This is his top secret on it, and he goes 648 00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:32.360 in his bedroom and I'm thinking, yeah, if that's really top secret material, 649 00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:37.480 you're going to jail there, Cliff, because hey, you're not protecting 650 00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.239 it properly. I'm not sure if you've got a vault in your bedroom, 651 00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:44.679 but I'm betting you don't. And I'm not talking about a save. I'm 652 00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:50.400 talking about a vault. Top secret material requires a vault. You know, 653 00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:53.519 when I was an intelligence officer, I although cleared for top secret, we 654 00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:58.239 didn't have any top secret materials that I had to store. I had a 655 00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:02.920 safe that weighed like a ton, but it's not a vault. The across 656 00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.920 the airfield from me was the refueling wing and they had they had access to 657 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.840 top secret material, and they had a vault. So, I mean, 658 00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:14.400 the first time I see him, he's trying to pull this stunt and press 659 00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:17.239 this because he's carrying around top a secret material, which is I have a 660 00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:21.280 science fiction novel. It's got secret stamped on a lot of pages. And 661 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.400 it's because I was at when I was when the Air Force reserved, and 662 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:27.239 one day I was born in the office and had that novel with me, 663 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:30.519 so I stamped a bunch of pages or secret just for fun. I think 664 00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:35.880 it's the Moon is a Harsh Missness by H. Robert Hinlin. Anyhow, 665 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:40.960 I U Cliff spends a lot of stories h he talked about and then the 666 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.960 one that really got me and I think Don Eckers both. He published a 667 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:51.599 story in UFO magazine about him sneaking through the wire when he served in Vietnam 668 00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.400 to go out hunting, hunting the viet Cong or the North Enemes. And 669 00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:59.960 I'm thinking, if I saw anybody in the wire, I'm opening five. 670 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:06.679 And where I was stationed at kou Chie, they had to have an officer 671 00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.039 on the bunker line on our section of the bunker line, and so it 672 00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:12.920 rotated among the officers. So I had an opportunity to be on the bunker 673 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.760 line a couple of times. So I know how that thing was. And 674 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:20.079 you see anything in the wire, you opened fire. And I remember one 675 00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.159 night I didn't do it, but one of the other guys did. They 676 00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.000 opened up on this thing that they saw in the wire because they'd never seen 677 00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.159 it before. The next day they found out they just shot up a South 678 00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:34.519 Vietnamese grave that had been been erected some five hundred meters away from the from 679 00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.039 the base camp. You know, it was something new and they thought that 680 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:42.559 was something they needed to engage. So, I mean, he tells those 681 00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:45.239 stories and that just ruins his credibility. Remember when the Alien Autopsy came out, 682 00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:49.199 he said yeah, he'd seen the film. That turned out to me, 683 00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.800 wow, yeah that was a big deal. Yeah I saw that film. 684 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:54.239 I didn't see it. I saw it when I was doing this and 685 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:59.360 this and the other thing. I did a thing on my blog, which 686 00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.360 is a good place to plug Kevin Randold do blogspot dot com where I looked 687 00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:06.599 at a number of these people who made claims in cliff Stone, and I 688 00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:08.639 looked at the stories he had told, the how they'd evolved over the years. 689 00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:14.280 So I don't find cliff credible what he says. But he's a nice 690 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.280 guy and I enjoy talking to him. Yeah, he seems like an He 691 00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:22.960 seems like one of those people that are just playing nice. Yeah, he's 692 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:25.599 a nice, nice fellow. I'm not sure how he could spend twenty two 693 00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:31.679 years in the army and never get above a tech sergeant. But that's just 694 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:38.840 me, you know. Yeah, I mean he moved into these senior NC 695 00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:43.800 grades, but he never made master sergeant. He never made command sergeant. 696 00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:49.159 Major or sergeant major, command sergeant major. So you know, of course, 697 00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:52.119 people can ploined me, said, well, you spent twenty two years 698 00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:53.960 in the army or the military and all you got was to lieutenant colonel. 699 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:58.360 Why didn't you get fired? I can explain that I spent a lot of 700 00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:02.079 time as a warrant officer people, but I mean, you look at those 701 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:07.440 sort of He's a nice enough fellow, but he just tends to embellish his 702 00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:13.480 stories and put himself in positions where he couldn't possibly have been. Okay, 703 00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.360 now I'm going to ask you a question, and this might be hard to 704 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:21.599 answer for you, but what is your gut feeling about what happened at Roswell? 705 00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:25.360 Going back to that, I'll tell you what I'd like. I would 706 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:29.679 like it to be alien. I'd like it to be extraterrestrial. I fear 707 00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:34.400 it's going to turn out not to be. The evidence. Like I said, 708 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:38.000 the evidence is not nearly as robust as it once was. I think 709 00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.679 I think I've talked about this on my radio show too a little bit. 710 00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:47.000 Oh, just let the listener know about your radio show too. Ah. 711 00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:52.800 Yes, I have a radio show on the X Zone broadcast network. Called 712 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:59.400 A Different Perspective cleverly titled after my blog. It airs on Saturday nights the 713 00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:07.519 first time at nine pm Eastern time. It's on the on the network and 714 00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:13.519 there's a satellite feed. Usually I end up with a link and so it's 715 00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:15.920 up on YouTube, and that I should have the link for the Today Show, 716 00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:20.000 which was interesting we did. I talked to a guy who actually had 717 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:22.559 been an officer in Blue Book at the end of Blue Book, so that 718 00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:25.159 was kind of interesting. Wow. And the links usually show up. The 719 00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:29.639 links usually show up like Thursday or Friday, so you can listen to it 720 00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:35.360 through YouTube. Just a Different Perspective by Kevin Randall. And and for your 721 00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:38.559 listeners, if you go to the x Zone, it's x ZBN dot net. 722 00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:43.679 If you go to their website, there's voting for your favorite radio host. 723 00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:47.519 So vote for me. Rob McConnell is you know, he's he's leading. 724 00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:51.840 He's got like five thousand votes and the rest of us have like two 725 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:57.639 hundred. So vote for me if you get a chance. But and we 726 00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:00.199 we went off on a tangent there, I know, and I entered up 727 00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:02.199 to you. Sorry, yes, And I'm not sure where we were going 728 00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:10.800 at the Time Radio show. Well, we had had been talked about we 729 00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:15.159 we We've talked about the Roswell case. I had Don Schmid on talking about 730 00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:19.199 the slides and other things that he has done as well. But we kind 731 00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:24.199 of talk about where the case stands today and where we all kind of fall 732 00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:30.960 in the perspective. I believe Tom Carey believes absolutely it was extraterrestrial. I 733 00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:37.800 think Stan Friedman believes absolutely it was extraterrestrial. Don I think is not absolute. 734 00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:42.760 He pretty sure, like ninety percent sure, but there's always the possibility. 735 00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:45.440 And I think I fall a little bit further down the continuum, down 736 00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:50.719 towards seventy five percent or something like that. Yeah, I think it's extraterrestrial. 737 00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.639 We just don't have the evidence to prove it. Now. Another question 738 00:58:54.719 --> 00:59:00.280 on the forum is do you think that we are being visited by extraterrestrials and 739 00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:06.639 what makes you come to your conclusion? Yes, I do, And the 740 00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:09.679 reason I do is things like level Land, the sightings where we had the 741 00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:15.440 UFO interacting with the environment, stalling the car engines. You had witnesses at 742 00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:20.679 thirteen separate locations as near as I can tell, independently reporting the same thing. 743 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:24.119 Of their car engines being stalled. That's a very very robust case. 744 00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:31.239 I look at the SoCoRo case, and you know, I vacillate on that 745 00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:35.559 one simply because you can say, well, it's single witness, it's just 746 00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:39.719 Lannie Zamora. But he's very credible. But there's hint, there's hints that 747 00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:46.119 maybe others saw things too. But we get into the into the second hand 748 00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:52.800 testimony. Robert Robert Holder, Richard Holder was a range officer at White Sands 749 00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:54.880 at the time, and he kind of investigated. He was one of the 750 00:59:54.880 --> 01:00:00.800 first guys on the scene, Captain Captain Holder, and he wrote a report 751 01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:04.639 and he said that the three people had called the police about the same time 752 01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:07.960 Lonnie Zamora was seeing the object in the sky, and they reported seeing the 753 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:12.599 thing too, but the police didn't bother writing anything down. You don't have 754 01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:15.400 the names. They didn't write it down in their logs. But apparently the 755 01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:21.800 dispatcher told Holder of this within hours of the event happening. So there's some 756 01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.960 interesting testimony that suggests others saw it in the sky, But we don't know 757 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:29.519 who the hell they were. We don't know anything about what they saw. 758 01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:31.639 They just called the police. And the police didn't bother to write anything down, 759 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:35.679 which is kind of annoying. But there's a very very good, solid 760 01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:39.400 case. There's some cases like that. As they said, level Land is 761 01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:46.159 very good because of everything that went on there and around that area at the 762 01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:51.199 time. I think within twelve hours the object was seen at White Sands, 763 01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:54.119 and there's some very interesting testimony out of White Sands. I talked to one 764 01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:59.000 of the guys, one of the MP's who was there at the time and 765 01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:01.559 gave me some insight into what was going on. So you know, there's 766 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:07.559 this there's some solid cases like that, So I I I think visitation is 767 01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:14.599 taking place. I don't think it's nearly as frequent as it's been suggested in 768 01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:17.639 the UFO community, but I think it's taken place. Now, speaking of 769 01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:23.519 White Sands, there is a video that shows this object object crashing that's like 770 01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:28.480 glowing bright. Are you familiar with that? Yeah, it used to be 771 01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:32.360 on my website till YouTube changed all their rules and it won't They won't let 772 01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:38.039 you play it anymore. It's a missile, yeah, but it's a missile 773 01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:44.119 to win astray. But how could it be glowing like that? You're seeing 774 01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:45.480 that you're seeing the back end of it. You're seeing the fire and the 775 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:50.519 flame of it. It's a missile that went astray. I think it's well 776 01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.079 documented it And in fact, I talked to the people at White Fans about 777 01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:57.920 that when when the video first hit a number of years ago, and uh, 778 01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:00.599 you know this is this is really kind of neat and I talked to 779 01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:05.480 him and they had pretty much the documentation showing that it was a missile that 780 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:09.639 that misfired in some fashion. Uh. Yeah, that's so disappointing. I 781 01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:17.480 know, I know, I hear you. Uh, here's a message. 782 01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.199 By the way, I'm I would like to take calls. So if anyone 783 01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:25.239 wants to call in, this is how I'm going to work it is. 784 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:30.199 I will accept your call. In other words, you'll be on hold. 785 01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:34.320 You just can't talk until I introduce you. In other words, you call 786 01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:37.159 in to the number six O three nine sixty seven four oh three. Oh. 787 01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:43.519 I'm not going to interrupt our guests, but when he gets done speaking, 788 01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:46.079 then I will introduce the caller. So if anyone wants to call in, 789 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:51.280 that is six O three nine sixty seven four oh three oh. Or 790 01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:57.320 you can skype in and that's Marty Willis m A R T Y W I 791 01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:02.360 L L I S either way. Another message on the four Let Penny interrupt 792 01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:05.840 you, Let me interrupt you. One thing. Does anybody care that the 793 01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:10.920 score in the World Series is tied one one? I'm glad this isn't a 794 01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:16.880 show during the election, that's for sure. I don't plan to watch the 795 01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:21.920 election coverage because it's going to be annoying. Yeah, I saw. I 796 01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:24.119 said I'd never bring up politics, but I did see a great bumper sticker 797 01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:30.039 today and it said Giant Media twenty sixteen. Let's get it over with. 798 01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:37.159 Well, I've got my plans to go to Canada. I don't care who 799 01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:38.519 wins. I'm just going to Canada. Yeah, they need to build a 800 01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:44.519 wall. A lot of Americans were escaping so they won't go out, never 801 01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:47.119 mind people coming in. Okay, it doesn't matter who wins. I'm gone. 802 01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:51.960 Yeah, I know I'm staying in the United States. It's pretty sad. 803 01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:54.800 Yeah. I wish they had a thing none of the above, but 804 01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:59.599 they don't. In Vata on some of the ballots they actually have that. 805 01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:01.800 Oh really wow. Yeah, so I was thinking the same thing, and 806 01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:05.239 I was thinking, you know, I'm not voting for anybody in this election, 807 01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:10.719 I'm voting against somebody. Yeah, you know, I'd like to support 808 01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:14.239 somebody. I just can't. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough, tough, 809 01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:17.079 Okay. The question on the forum is, and by the way, I 810 01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:20.199 mentioned this earlier, if anyone wants to jourin the forum, it's a really 811 01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:26.119 easy sign up. I'm trying to get that restarted. With the incredible amount 812 01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:30.800 of surveillance aimed at opposing countries with radar detection and spy satellites, do you 813 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:38.400 think that UFO craft are also being monitored, recorded, cataloged somehow if they 814 01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:43.719 enter our airspace? I would think so. But you know, we used 815 01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:47.480 to argue and quite a few years ago, that you know, the flying 816 01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:50.159 saucers aren't seen on radar. Of course that turned out not to be true. 817 01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:55.199 There are cases, good radar cases, but I would think our stealth 818 01:04:55.199 --> 01:05:00.559 technology render that argument pretty well moved that the uh oh, yes, you 819 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:03.000 know, if we can do that, what can they do with their composites? 820 01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:11.519 There are hints that the satellite surveillance has picked up stuff. There was 821 01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:16.400 a program, and I forget the name of it, a number of years 822 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:20.880 ago where they were monitoring the sky with cameras just to detect meteors and that 823 01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:24.840 sort of thing. So the cameras were going all the time, you know, 824 01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:29.199 on a preset cycle, and they would gather the film and then they 825 01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:30.800 would look through the film to see if they could find any meteors or any 826 01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:39.000 anomalous phenomenon going on and the UFO community, and it may have been the 827 01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:42.599 center for UFO studies, or it may have been fun for UFO research or 828 01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:45.480 a combination. That both of them had convinced them when when they were done 829 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:48.559 with the film to give it to them so they could look for flying saucers 830 01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:55.360 for UFOs, and Phil class raised a big stink about that, and so 831 01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:59.840 they never got the film. But there there is that monitoring going on, 832 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:04.639 and you wonder about that, and anything they see probably would be class highly 833 01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:09.960 classified and be very difficult to for any of us to get get to see 834 01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:15.320 it to determine whether or not there's something going on. The thing that worries 835 01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:19.760 me that's sort of tangential there is that everybody's got a camera with them all 836 01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:26.320 the time. Now, I just my stupid cell phone's got a thirteen megapixel 837 01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:29.840 camera, and I guess and I understand that's now pretty crappy. You know, 838 01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:31.239 thirteen megapixels, for God's sake. You know, it used to be 839 01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:34.519 the big deals. You had a megapixel, you know. Well, I 840 01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:38.440 when I went to a RAQ, I had a camera with a one point 841 01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:43.000 six megapixel was about the best you could do. My stupid phone's got a 842 01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:45.119 thirteen megapixel camera in it. Oh, I got But I've got another. 843 01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:47.719 I got a new camera and it's got a twenty six megapixel in it. 844 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:50.039 But anyway, the point simply is, everybody's got a camera with them. 845 01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:55.480 Why don't we have any really nice UFO photographs at this point, taken from 846 01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:59.840 multiple locations at the same time, so we could triangulate and get the size 847 01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:02.559 of the thing and the height above the ground and all of that. We 848 01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:05.880 just don't. You would think we'd have some of the documentation like that, 849 01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:10.079 and we simply don't. And it may be because everybody's walking around looking at 850 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:13.280 their stupid phone and not in the sky, so they wouldn't see it if 851 01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:17.079 they was hovering right above their heads. But I mean, the point simply 852 01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:23.079 is we don't have that kind of robust testimony, and it kind of worries 853 01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:28.159 me. There was a meteor that fell. It really didn't fall. I 854 01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:31.000 should take that back. There's a picture of it over the Grand Teton Mountains 855 01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:35.559 taking it in like the nineteen sixties, and from what I understand is the 856 01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:40.199 thing hit the atmosphere and glowed for a while and skipped off and back into 857 01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:45.519 space. But I mean a huge daylight media over the Grand Tetons. I 858 01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:47.159 know that there's at least four pictures of this thing that was taken at the 859 01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:50.280 time in a movie footage, and I'm thinking, why don't we have any 860 01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:54.320 UFO photographs like that? Well, of course, the thing was like fifty 861 01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:58.039 sixty miles in the sky, so it was seen over a much wilder, 862 01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:02.800 wild wilder area than if things at like twenty thousand feet or fifteen thousand feet. 863 01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:06.039 But we just don't have anything like that, and that kind of worries 864 01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:11.519 me immensely. You know, I got to tell you, I don't I've 865 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:15.719 heard people say this, and I understand it totally because I had a sighting 866 01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:19.399 and that is I never even thought of taking a picture. And I think 867 01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:24.680 that you're mesmerized and it's like a lat I mean, some people are always 868 01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:29.079 ready to take a picture. Ray Stanford you had on your show. He 869 01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:32.920 never leaves home without a camera or a video camera with him and has been 870 01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:38.520 doing that for years and years, and now we all do it because we've 871 01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:41.800 kiked our cell phones with us. Yeah, but I don't I would think 872 01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:46.199 of it now, but I don't know. You know, I can understand 873 01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:49.159 why people don't think of taking a picture because you're just saying, what the 874 01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:53.520 heck is that? You know? I mean it's you're kind of blown away 875 01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:57.359 when you have, or at least I was, And I can understand that 876 01:08:57.399 --> 01:09:00.359 from a certain point of view. But there's got to become a part point 877 01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:04.720 where you have that sort of a case with multiple witnesses and multiple locations with 878 01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:10.359 photographic evidence, and we just don't have that level land you know. You 879 01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:13.359 look at that and you say, well, we've got the craft interacting with 880 01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:15.760 the environment. There's possibility, there's possibility that there was a landing trace as 881 01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:18.880 a matter of fact, but that wasn't discovered until like fifty years later. 882 01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:26.399 Where I mean, they didn't discover the landing trace, but people started talking 883 01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:30.119 about it that had kept it secret all this time. But I mean, 884 01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:32.359 here's a case where probably none of those people had a camera with them. 885 01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:38.159 So even even though they well, that's a good here's a good question. 886 01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:43.199 Would the if it's if it's stalling your carriage and your radio, could you 887 01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:46.720 have taken a picture with your cell phone because your cell phone is operating in 888 01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:53.359 electricity as opposed to being mechanical like a camera would have been back in those 889 01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:55.680 days. But I mean a lot of people didn't have cameras, they didn't 890 01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:59.479 carry them around with them and special location. But in today's environment, you 891 01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:02.359 would think think we would have something like that, and it just hasn't shown 892 01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:05.600 up yet, and that that is disturbing. And you know, that's kind 893 01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:10.720 of the thing that we were talking about the Roswell case, with the diaries 894 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:13.479 and the journals and the letters and stuff. You know, you would think 895 01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:17.159 somebody would have written something down right, and we would we we'd have that, 896 01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:21.439 and we don't. And that's very disturbing when you look at it from 897 01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:25.279 that point of view. Does it mean that Roswell was an alien? No? 898 01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:29.279 Does it mean something didn't fall? Absolutely doesn't mean that we know something 899 01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:31.680 feul It was in the newspapers for crying to allow they went out and picked 900 01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:34.079 it up. We just don't know what for certain, what they picked up. 901 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:35.880 You know a lot of people believe, like we said, it was 902 01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:40.199 extra trust. You know, I don't know. I worry about that, 903 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:45.039 but we just don't have the kind of robust cases you would expect in today's 904 01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:48.520 environment. And it may, it may happen. I do wonder too, 905 01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:53.920 why there's not And as soon as you see a really good video, the 906 01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:57.119 first thing you think of is CGI or you know it's yes, some type 907 01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:00.920 of fake. Now. I mentioned this story a number two but on this 908 01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:04.399 show probably two or three times at least. But I had someone visiting here. 909 01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:09.680 I have a Russian connection. I was over in Russia this year and 910 01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:15.399 last year. But I had someone visiting here from Russia, and they when 911 01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:18.840 they found out I did a show on UFOs, he told this, and 912 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:23.760 he has nothing to do with UFOs or anything like that. He told this 913 01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:28.439 story about being in a pass in the mountains in Russia in his car where 914 01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:32.239 everybody's car stalled in the pass. They all got out, people were lifting 915 01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:35.640 their hoods and standing out there, and all of a sudden, this big, 916 01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:41.840 huge cigar thing went right through the mountain pass right over their head with 917 01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:45.600 portholes they said it had port he said it had portholes, and it just 918 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:49.760 floated right through the mountain. And then someone thought to get back in the 919 01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:53.760 car and tried the car and their engine started up and they all took off. 920 01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:59.279 Nobody said anything back in their car and took off. This is about 921 01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:01.520 thirty years ago. Well, you know, the same thing happened right after 922 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:06.760 the leveland case in Oral Grande, New Mexico, and it's just south of 923 01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:13.560 Hullum And Air Force Base, and a guy named Stokes was heading toward El 924 01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:19.159 Passel from Alamagordo and the car stalled. You know, he pulled over and 925 01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:24.840 there's a whole bunch of people standing outside looking at this thing. Stokes got 926 01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:28.159 burned by it going by, and then the thing disappeared and they all got 927 01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:31.199 in the cars and drove off. And he gave the names of two people 928 01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:35.279 he fought, and they could never find those two people as additional witnesses. 929 01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:39.680 But it's the same sort of thing. All these people standing around watching this 930 01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:46.720 thing. Stokes actually manifested a reaction like a sunburn to the object passing overhead. 931 01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:49.920 And once the thing was gone, they all just jumped in the cars 932 01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:54.760 and drove off. Nobody said, hey, hey, let's collect our information 933 01:12:54.880 --> 01:13:01.079 here so that we can verify one another's stories. Yeah. Absolutely. Someone 934 01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:06.760 wanted to know if you think that NASA is cutting video feed when a UFO 935 01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:12.840 wanders into the range. I don't know. I really don't know. I 936 01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:17.039 watched The Martian, and I know that they tried to be transparent in the 937 01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:21.039 movie, showing everything we have, you know, twenty four hours to release 938 01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:26.520 his release his photographs. But I don't know if they're doing it. I 939 01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:30.520 don't know if they see anything. I just I just don't have a good 940 01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:35.520 feeling about that at all. I don't know whether they're cutting the feeds or 941 01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:42.520 or not. I just I simply do not know. Yeah, let's see. 942 01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:45.239 There was another question I wanted to ask you that kind of has to 943 01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:49.119 do with things that are going on right now. This is on the forum. 944 01:13:50.439 --> 01:13:56.239 Do you have any opinions about recently leaked John Podesta emails related to UFOs, 945 01:13:56.359 --> 01:14:00.119 such as the mentioning a meeting with Podesta, Tom law and retired General 946 01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:10.479 Neil mccleo. Mcclass has been Podesta has been involved in that sort of thing 947 01:14:11.079 --> 01:14:15.439 since he was with Bill Clinton and they talked about these sorts of things, 948 01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:20.119 and uh, you know, it's interesting that they're in the emails. Uh. 949 01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:26.039 You know, Podesta was supposedly going to look for the evidence for Bill 950 01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:28.960 Clinton, and if you remember, Clinton says, well, you know, 951 01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:31.039 if if Roswell was alien, they have they haven't told me, And I'm 952 01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:38.760 thinking, yeah, probably not, but I just uh uh, it's it's 953 01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:42.920 interesting stuff. It suggests that discussion goes on at high levels, but I 954 01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:49.279 don't know if it's anything more than personal curiosity, just attempting to learn a 955 01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:53.840 little bit more, you know, it's it's It's all I can say is 956 01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:57.760 it's interesting that they're they're discussing at the highest levels. But remember Bill Clinton 957 01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:01.880 was going to release the information when he when he was elected. Nothing ever 958 01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:04.319 came out. And I think Jimmy Carter was going to do that too, 959 01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:11.520 and there was nothing came out. So it means one of two things that 960 01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:15.199 the you know, people say, well does the president know? And my 961 01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:17.560 answer to that now is I don't think so. I don't think they they 962 01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:23.119 don't tell the president less the ass specifically, and I think that I think 963 01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:26.920 that you know, you look at the environment we live in the world. 964 01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:31.479 Environment the president has a lot of stuff to worry about right by the tail. 965 01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:34.720 Yeah, he's got an awful lot of stuff to worry about. And 966 01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:39.800 this thing with flying saucers. I mean, if we go back to the 967 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:43.079 actual beginning of the modern era, which I think with the Foo fighters during 968 01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:45.880 World War Two as opposed to the Arnold signing, we're looking, you know, 969 01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:51.680 at this thing going on for seventy five eighty years and there has not 970 01:15:51.920 --> 01:16:00.800 been a hostile attack. We haven't been attacked by and they haven't invade yet, 971 01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:03.319 so they're pretty benign for the most part. So the o the thing 972 01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:05.239 you have to look at is that, you know, the president has so 973 01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:10.359 much on his plate. Unless something triggers it, like in an independence day 974 01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:14.520 where they've got the photographs and the ships are now gathering around the earth to 975 01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:18.640 attack, you don't bother telling him unless he says, you know what, 976 01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:23.479 what can you tell me about the flying saucers. So it's not something that 977 01:16:23.479 --> 01:16:27.239 I don't I don't think it's something they brief him on unless he asks, 978 01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:30.920 because he's got so much other stuff to worry about, or maybe in the 979 01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:33.960 next few months, she's got so much to worry about. I always with 980 01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:42.840 that and I think I've even said something similar on this show about that it's 981 01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:47.119 just like way down the list, yeah unless something, unless something triggers it. 982 01:16:47.720 --> 01:16:50.600 And in case you're interduceted to three ones cubs in the World series. 983 01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:58.600 Okay for the updates as we go here, so I anybody cares. I 984 01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:03.439 had the pleasure of having h the first to record with Chris Mellon, and 985 01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:12.800 Chris Mellon was he was on the Department of Defense and he was an insider 986 01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:18.039 basically, and I asked him the question came up about would the president know? 987 01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:24.920 And his answer to that the president would know if the president asked. 988 01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:28.800 Yeah, I think I think that's probably true. If the president asked, 989 01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:31.600 he would know. And then the next question is is there something about it 990 01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:40.039 well relates to national security or something about it that is so terrifying that is 991 01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:45.279 better that they keep the secret. You know, I think I've always said 992 01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:47.119 the president can get the answer if he wants it, And you know, 993 01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:50.840 I'm thinking, okay, I'm I'm president, and I get my leader of 994 01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:54.479 the NSA, and I said, what can you tell me about flying saucers? 995 01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:56.640 And he says, well, I'm miss President. I'm sorry, but 996 01:17:57.039 --> 01:18:01.199 that's highly classified and you can't know. And my next next my next sentence 997 01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:03.880 to him is you're fired. You get your deputy in it. Here, 998 01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:10.680 he's got the power to learn it. You know, you don't give me 999 01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:14.520 the answer I want. You're fired or an ant you tell me this. 1000 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:18.960 You can't know because it's classified. Crap, You're gone your history. But 1001 01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:23.079 so the president can find out if he wants to, And I think part 1002 01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:26.960 of the problem is not necessarily he doesn't want to. It's just he doesn't 1003 01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:29.840 have a need to find out because he has so much else to deal with. 1004 01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:32.399 And I mean, you look at the world today with everything going on. 1005 01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:35.399 President Obama's got so much to deal with. The last thing on his 1006 01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:43.079 mind is going to be are there really flying saucers? M right. Someone 1007 01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:45.239 wanted to know if you looked into and I don't know if I can pronounce 1008 01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:50.960 this right, the Cape Girardio Cape Girardo. Yeah, have you looked into 1009 01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:54.680 that? First of all, you have to know that Cape Girardo is the 1010 01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:59.600 hometown of Rush Limbaugh, so that that may inhibit it. Yeah, I've 1011 01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:02.560 looked into that. It's basically second hand. Oh, it's a second hand 1012 01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:09.359 story. Yes, yes, from Rush No, no, from actually from 1013 01:19:09.439 --> 01:19:14.399 Lynn Springfield, Okay. And the woman's name is Charlene, Charlene Mann. 1014 01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:17.319 I think it is to send a letter. Oh. Yes, wasn't that 1015 01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:21.279 her father, that he was the preacher? He was, Yes, I 1016 01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:26.520 know that one. They came came out to, uh give last rights to 1017 01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:30.319 the alien creatures had been killed in the crash. But it's all second hand. 1018 01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:40.399 There is some additional testimony, but it is all second hand, and 1019 01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:45.760 so it's it's not a really really good solid case. The thing that always 1020 01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:50.119 bothered me about that if it had happened, then I think the response at 1021 01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:57.000 Roswell would have been completely different. The military high command would not have been 1022 01:19:57.039 --> 01:20:00.279 caught flat footed as they seem to have been, Well, my god, 1023 01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:02.000 what do we do? You know, what do we do? They would 1024 01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:06.960 have had something in place, which I guess it's really not a which isn't 1025 01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:11.479 really a good argument because I think about it in back in the nineteen thirties, 1026 01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:15.920 late nineteen thirties, as they were wargaming, you know which they do, 1027 01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:19.600 You'll play war games, and a lot of the war games started with 1028 01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:25.000 a Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, and so you know, we're caught flat 1029 01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:29.640 footed by that, but so, but you would think they would have been 1030 01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:33.279 a little bit sharper in dealing with this thing, had had Cape Girardo been 1031 01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:41.000 a real had been an event I I you know, I when I did 1032 01:20:41.119 --> 01:20:45.199 my book Crash when UFOs Fall from the Sky, I communicated with Charlene Mann 1033 01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:47.680 got permission to use some of the stuff that she had said in the book 1034 01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:54.760 so that we wouldn't get sued again. We're dealing with people who are sincere. 1035 01:20:55.079 --> 01:20:59.159 They believe what they're telling you. It just might have been screwed up 1036 01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:01.319 in the translationship. We also talked about a photograph they had and which really 1037 01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:06.720 just annoys me, is somehow those photographs always disappear. And they had a 1038 01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:11.439 picture of one of the alien creatures and some environment, and I think Lens 1039 01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:15.319 sent her a couple of photographs that had been taken allegedly had taken of alien 1040 01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:17.279 creatures and now that these aren't the ones that I'm talking about, and they 1041 01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:21.680 loaned it to a friend, which seems incredibly stupid to have done, but 1042 01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:25.960 they did that and it disappeared. So we don't have the photograph, which 1043 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:30.840 would be interesting to have. So you know, it's an interesting case, 1044 01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:34.119 but you have to look at it from the point of view. It's basically 1045 01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:39.760 all secondhand and it could be the absolute gospel truth, but there's nothing we 1046 01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:43.720 can do to prove it right. Right again, we're taking calls if anyone 1047 01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:47.279 that's listening live would like to call in nine sixty seven. I'm sorry six 1048 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:53.279 oh three, nine sixty seven, four three to zero. Another question here 1049 01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:58.560 in the forum. Do you think there actually have been crash retrievals from any 1050 01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:03.640 locations, or that any reverse engineering of recovered technology has ever taken place? 1051 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:09.680 Well, what I've always said is we certainly don't have the number of crashes 1052 01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:12.439 that people are reporting. I mean we've if you look at it, I 1053 01:22:12.479 --> 01:22:15.720 think some of the lists are three hundred crashes. There's no way to keep 1054 01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:18.960 that kind of information secret. It would be out. We would know. 1055 01:22:19.560 --> 01:22:25.279 I think the number of crashes is very limited. And you know, you 1056 01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:29.680 look at something like Shag Harbor where the thing went into the basically the harbor, 1057 01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:32.880 nothing was recovered. If you look at Roswell and you say it's recovered, 1058 01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:36.319 then you have to you have to start thinking, well, why hasn't 1059 01:22:36.319 --> 01:22:41.920 the technology shown up in our society. Why hasn't something been developed from that? 1060 01:22:42.439 --> 01:22:46.279 And I always say maybe because it is so far advanced, we haven't 1061 01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:50.960 figured it out yet. If you take a VCR and for the millennials, 1062 01:22:50.960 --> 01:22:57.760 that would be the videotapes things VCR, a TV and a powerpack. Back 1063 01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:01.359 to Merlin the Magician, and you're showing this black ribbon, and if you 1064 01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:03.920 know the secret, you can get colored pictures and sound out of it, 1065 01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:09.760 motion pictures of it, but you have to understand two things that are invisible 1066 01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:13.880 to decode it. You have to understand electricity and magnetism. He just simply 1067 01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:18.399 did not have the cultural elements to decode this black ribbon. And I suspect 1068 01:23:19.079 --> 01:23:26.520 if it wasn't so badly damaged that if we recovered something at Roswell, we 1069 01:23:26.600 --> 01:23:30.079 do not have the cultural elements to decode it. We haven't figured it out, 1070 01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:34.840 I've said, and that pure speculation on my part. That it seems 1071 01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:40.119 to me that some of the composits we've come up with may have been indirectly 1072 01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:44.239 inspired by that, because we're thinking of metals and all of this stuff that 1073 01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:48.439 you have to have, and we now know that you know, you don't 1074 01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:54.319 need to make an airplane out of metal to fly, you can make it 1075 01:23:54.359 --> 01:24:00.159 out of these wonderful composites. So you know, that might be something think 1076 01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:02.600 that indirectly was inspired by this, but I do not know. I think 1077 01:24:02.640 --> 01:24:11.920 that if you look at our the the evolution of our cultural elements, of 1078 01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:17.399 our technology, I think you can find the the precursors of everything prior to 1079 01:24:17.439 --> 01:24:21.880 the Roswell crash. You can see that it was not directly stimulated by by 1080 01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:26.079 Roswell. So, uh, you know, that's kind of where we are. 1081 01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:30.119 I I don't think we've figured it out yet. I've heard the speculation 1082 01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:35.239 of fiber optics as something. No, I I think I think uh Bill 1083 01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:40.039 Bill Brazil actually talked about fiber optics. I remember him sitting there and he 1084 01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:43.439 says, you know that this material like monofilament fishing line. You know, 1085 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:45.399 you shine a light in one end and comes out the owner. So, 1086 01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:47.359 oh, you mean fiber optics, But I think there was there was. 1087 01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:51.840 Uh. If you if you look at the evolution of fiber optics, it 1088 01:24:53.239 --> 01:24:59.520 precedes Roswell. So there's really yeah, but I mean in very rudimentary form, 1089 01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:03.279 but it that it seems that the research was being being done prior to 1090 01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:08.600 the Roswell case. And and you know the same thing with some of the 1091 01:25:10.039 --> 01:25:15.000 night vision technology that we have, you know, we can see the evolution 1092 01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:17.920 of these things. And so there's really nothing that that seemed to be a 1093 01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:26.039 quantum leap in our understanding that you'd expect if if you've been handed this, 1094 01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:30.079 this gift, gift from the gods, if you will. I was just 1095 01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:35.479 both stuck in my mind. Remember the old movie uh oh with the with 1096 01:25:35.560 --> 01:25:41.640 the bushmen from Africa and the coke bottle drops there's no words in it, 1097 01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:45.600 Yeah, yeah, and and all the trouble. He finally throws it away 1098 01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:48.720 because it's caused so much trouble y. But you know that that kind of 1099 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:51.359 thing a gift from the gods. I don't think we figured it out. 1100 01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:55.960 I think the other thing that's happened if something was picked up at Roswell that 1101 01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:59.920 they might have had in the beginning a huge group of people working on it, 1102 01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:03.079 but as time passed, that group shrank so that it was fewer and 1103 01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:10.520 fewer people so that they could plug any leagues possible leagues. I think our 1104 01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:16.439 society today, we're just too fond of telling secrets that the number of people 1105 01:26:16.479 --> 01:26:23.079 would have access to this ultimate secret would be very very few and very little 1106 01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:27.600 documentation about it. But I think they apply our technology as it develops to 1107 01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:31.279 see if we can suddenly make that quantum leap. So that's kind of where 1108 01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:35.960 I am on that the gods. The Gods are crazy. That's the name 1109 01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:40.159 of the movie. Yeah, something like that. It's actually really fun. 1110 01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:45.199 Yes, yeah, great movie. So what about this is totally off a 1111 01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:53.399 subject, but have you looked into the Tabby Star and the possibility of the 1112 01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:56.880 dice in sphere or something going on there? This is a question on the 1113 01:26:56.920 --> 01:27:00.479 message board. This really annoys me because I claim that planet and that star 1114 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:03.920 long before they called it the Tabby Spirit. I said we should call it 1115 01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:08.560 Randall's World, but nobody picked up on that, so I lost out there. 1116 01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:16.640 You know. That's interesting. It's very interesting, and we really don't 1117 01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:21.479 have any information that suggested might be an alien construct, but that's one of 1118 01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:26.560 the theories they're working on. I also saw something not too long ago that 1119 01:27:27.119 --> 01:27:30.960 they received signals from like two hundred and thirty four stars that could be intelligent. 1120 01:27:31.680 --> 01:27:35.960 And the reason I remember two hundred and thirty four is because the battalion 1121 01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:40.560 I was with in Iraq, was that two hundred and thirty fourth So the 1122 01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:45.239 number stuck in my mind. But the so we've got that, and there's 1123 01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:49.960 the wow signal, and they say, well, it's not necessarily alien because 1124 01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:55.039 it wasn't repeated. Well, I remember back in the olden days when you 1125 01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:58.880 had antennas on your TV and everything wasn't hooked up to the cable. The 1126 01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:03.359 periodically, if the ionosphere was right, you'd get these incredible skips, And 1127 01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:09.680 I remember watching about thirty minutes of television I'm living. I'm living in Iowa, 1128 01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:15.319 and I'm watching a TV station in Florida just because of the atmosphere. 1129 01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:20.720 So I've got an antenna and I'm watching this TV show. So and of 1130 01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:26.319 course it's never repeated, so there obviously no TV stations in Florida. But 1131 01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:30.720 the point really is they've got all of this sort of thing going on. 1132 01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:38.760 So I think we're very close to identifying some sort of alien civilization, however 1133 01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:42.600 far away it might be, And that might be one of the points where 1134 01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:45.600 they are able to say, yeah, this obviously is an alien construct. 1135 01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:53.119 But right now I think the evidence is not conclusive. Yeah, absolutely, 1136 01:28:53.920 --> 01:28:58.720 someone just tried to call in, and for some reason this has happened before, 1137 01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:01.239 I was not able to add the call, So I apologize for that. 1138 01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:06.239 So I'm going to take back. I'm going to recant calls for now 1139 01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:10.000 unless you want to try Skype. And if you want to try Skype, 1140 01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:15.800 it's Marty Willis. This is the Skype name for that. Yeah, it's 1141 01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:25.479 awful. It's awful. Hard to understand that we are not able to detect 1142 01:29:25.560 --> 01:29:31.199 anything, but I think the technology out there is probably way beyond our thinking. 1143 01:29:32.199 --> 01:29:36.039 Possibly or both sides. Let's take a step back. You know, 1144 01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:44.399 twenty years ago we couldn't detect planets around another star. And so when you 1145 01:29:44.439 --> 01:29:46.720 when you started talking about alien civilizations, we're to the point was saying, 1146 01:29:47.199 --> 01:29:53.399 we don't know if the solar system is unique. We don't know if it 1147 01:29:53.479 --> 01:29:57.880 is rare. We think they're common, but we just don't know. Now 1148 01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:04.680 we know that solar systems are pretty common throughout the galaxy, and I think 1149 01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:13.279 that that trying to pick up a signal, especially a radio signal that would 1150 01:30:13.319 --> 01:30:18.920 be hidden in all the radio noise that has generated naturally, is a very 1151 01:30:18.960 --> 01:30:23.439 difficult task. And I know they're now searching in other arenas I think they're 1152 01:30:23.520 --> 01:30:27.880 using trying to detect laser flashes and things like that. But I mean, 1153 01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:31.760 you've got all this problem of the noise that you've got to filter out before 1154 01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:34.840 you can get to a signal. And I think think that might be the 1155 01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:40.319 problem that we well, why we haven't detected that. You know, I 1156 01:30:41.720 --> 01:30:47.399 think that that there are multiple civilizations out there. I don't know whether they're 1157 01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:54.159 older than hours, newer than hours, or where they might fit on the 1158 01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:58.359 civilization scale, or what their technology might be. There's always a possibility that 1159 01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:03.600 they don't use radio as we know it because of their innate capabilities. You 1160 01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:08.800 know, we just we just do not know. Because we have nothing with 1161 01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:14.079 which to gauge that sort of a discussion. We can only make guesses based 1162 01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:19.600 on our experience, and our experience may be completely dare I say it, 1163 01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:25.640 alien to how things work and the rest of the galaxy. Possibly. I 1164 01:31:25.680 --> 01:31:30.119 think eventually we may come up with a technology that would be able to detect 1165 01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:34.359 you know, atmosphere elements and things like that. We have that take we 1166 01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:42.159 have that capability. They are identifying planets that have water in the in the 1167 01:31:42.199 --> 01:31:47.600 atmosphere of some of the planets. They've they've they've discovered, So we have 1168 01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:51.800 that take technology. What we do not have is the technology to develop of 1169 01:31:51.920 --> 01:31:57.359 the technology that allows us to listen into their TV programs. And if you 1170 01:31:57.399 --> 01:32:02.159 want a really horrible thought of it, this, you're you're an alien civilization. 1171 01:32:02.319 --> 01:32:06.840 You're fifty light years from Earth. You've detected a signal and you decode 1172 01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:14.079 it. And it's Laverne and Shirley for the millennials. That's an old TV 1173 01:32:14.199 --> 01:32:17.199 show. Yeah, I'm trying to think of something as stupid that the millennials 1174 01:32:17.239 --> 01:32:25.119 could relate to. Oh well, that's that's that's kind of clever. Yeah, 1175 01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:27.920 that's the only I don't watch TV. I haven't had a TV for 1176 01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:34.680 since two thousand and seven or eight. I followed the monkey philosophy. If 1177 01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:38.680 you remember the Monkeys, they were talking in Pleasant Valley Sunday, the guy 1178 01:32:38.680 --> 01:32:42.479 Selcereni has a TV in every room. I try to follow that philosophy so 1179 01:32:42.520 --> 01:32:46.520 I don't have to be too far away from entertainment at any time. And 1180 01:32:46.680 --> 01:32:49.159 if I can't get my TV work, and of course I can, I 1181 01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:56.399 can access HBO on my phone and my iPad. I've got it. I've 1182 01:32:56.399 --> 01:33:01.000 got it locked in here. Okay, someone wanted to know what you're again. 1183 01:33:01.319 --> 01:33:03.800 I want to apologize. Someone try to call in. I couldn't add 1184 01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:06.960 the call, and I'm not sure why that's happening. But anyway, what's 1185 01:33:06.960 --> 01:33:13.199 your opinion on stargates? I liked it. I liked it, especially the 1186 01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:19.319 ones that had Magiver in them. You know, I thought I preferred I 1187 01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:27.520 preferred from him to uh Kurt Russell in the original movie. Yes, right 1188 01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:33.039 right, I'm just oh, that's the other thing in Babylon they had that. 1189 01:33:33.479 --> 01:33:36.119 Now it was it the ishtar gate or they have a stargate I forget. 1190 01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:43.720 Anyway, the concept is interesting, and you wonder about those sorts of 1191 01:33:43.800 --> 01:33:50.000 things which would make interstellar flight easier. Uh. You look at the vast 1192 01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:56.840 distances, and if you move toward relativistic speeds, you begin bombarding your state 1193 01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:00.199 spacecraft with radiation and you have to be well shielded. You radiate everybody in 1194 01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:05.880 the spacecraft. But you know, if you get beyond relativistic speeds, then 1195 01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:12.479 then does some of that change or is there a way of warping space so 1196 01:34:12.560 --> 01:34:16.880 that you short circuit the distances? In some ways, I've got a blow. 1197 01:34:17.239 --> 01:34:21.119 I get the astronomy picture of the day on my iPad, and the 1198 01:34:21.119 --> 01:34:25.119 one I'm thinking of I think it was like on October eighteenth, somewhere back 1199 01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:29.560 there, they had a picture of a cluster of galaxies, which just freaks 1200 01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:32.720 me out by itself. All these galaxies, these little tiny pinpoints, and 1201 01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:39.880 you can tell their galaxies as opposed to stars, and there's this red thing 1202 01:34:39.960 --> 01:34:43.239 around them or this thing, and it's kind of a galactic lens that is 1203 01:34:43.279 --> 01:34:47.119 created by the gravitational pull of these galaxies that are clustered together. So you 1204 01:34:47.199 --> 01:34:55.119 wonder if there's some sort of of of something there that allows you to short 1205 01:34:55.159 --> 01:35:00.840 circuit the distances so that people could literally travel interstellar instances. I mean, 1206 01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:02.359 if we're going to go to Mars, it's going to take what twelve months 1207 01:35:02.399 --> 01:35:09.720 to get there or something, and you know, so it's a really complex 1208 01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:15.319 problem to defeat to get to just a plant in our Solar system. Of 1209 01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:16.479 course, it's not the closest planet. You go to Venus, but then 1210 01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:21.119 your spacecraft would melt and would be really screwed. But you know, getting 1211 01:35:21.159 --> 01:35:26.600 to Mars is a technological feat. I think we could do it if we 1212 01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:30.439 really put our minds to it. But we're you know, our attention gets 1213 01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:35.119 diverted into a lot of other things as well. So that's sort of that 1214 01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:42.600 sort of where I go on that sort of thing. Wilbert Smith from Canada 1215 01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:48.920 was supposedly shown debris in the nineteen fifties and his son said, a UFO, 1216 01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:56.119 I mean a US Air Force officer brought a piece to their house. 1217 01:35:56.439 --> 01:36:00.560 It looked like it was a piece off of a craft. Did you ever 1218 01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:05.720 hear anything about that, not that they not that, not that they took 1219 01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:10.880 a piece to the house. I find it very hard to believe that if 1220 01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:15.159 we've got a piece of alien spacecraft that it wouldn't be so highly classified that 1221 01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:18.560 taking it to Wilbersmith's house would be a violation of the of the law. 1222 01:36:21.439 --> 01:36:24.640 I mean, you have to look at these things in that kind of a 1223 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:30.520 context as well, and you go back to you know, Smith was running 1224 01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:35.000 around with this stuff in the nineteen fifties or nineteen fifty and the attitudes were 1225 01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:39.479 a lot different than you know, the government tells you not to do something, 1226 01:36:39.560 --> 01:36:43.119 you're going to not do it. And in today's environment, the government 1227 01:36:43.159 --> 01:36:45.520 tells you not to do something, your attitude is, yeah, you want 1228 01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:48.600 to see me, So so, you know, back then, you have 1229 01:36:48.680 --> 01:36:51.560 to look at these things, and people took those things a lot more seriously, 1230 01:36:54.279 --> 01:36:57.800 and we didn't have we didn't have the access to the Internet, and 1231 01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:00.960 we didn't have wiki leagues, and we didn't have people making all kinds of 1232 01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:04.399 classified materials into all kinds of different arenas from all sorts of different places, 1233 01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:11.319 so that, you know, I just find it difficult to believe that the 1234 01:37:11.359 --> 01:37:14.800 security would be violated in that fashion at that time. You know, in 1235 01:37:14.840 --> 01:37:19.159 today's environment, we'd be sharing photographs on it, We'd be having a video 1236 01:37:19.199 --> 01:37:24.760 skype conversation and I'd be showing you the pieces of the debris that I picked 1237 01:37:24.840 --> 01:37:28.000 up in Roswell, you know that sort of thing. Yeah, absolutely, 1238 01:37:28.720 --> 01:37:30.920 So you know, you've got to put it in the context of the times 1239 01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:35.079 as well, and you've got to understand these things absolutely. One other question 1240 01:37:35.199 --> 01:37:40.760 on the forum, do you have any opinions? Oh, I'm sorry, 1241 01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:45.159 this is a different one. Do you think there are efforts underway by the 1242 01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:49.000 government, I guess the US government to do at least some kind of partial 1243 01:37:49.039 --> 01:37:54.479 disclosure. If so, what form do you think that disclosure might take. 1244 01:37:55.359 --> 01:38:00.640 There's no motivation, there's no motivation there's no motivation form to disclose. Yeah, 1245 01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:03.560 I don't think. I don't think we're going to get disclosure until the 1246 01:38:03.560 --> 01:38:08.239 things land in New York City and Central Park and say yeah, here we 1247 01:38:08.279 --> 01:38:13.439 are or something like that. I mean, there's no motivation for the government 1248 01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:16.680 to disclose anything. I have a question for you that I asked this recently 1249 01:38:16.720 --> 01:38:20.520 if someone else can't. Maybe it was Stan Freeman last week, But do 1250 01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:25.880 you think the government actually knows what's going on? Or do you think there 1251 01:38:25.880 --> 01:38:29.640 as much baffled by the whole thing as we are. Well, if you 1252 01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:31.800 look at Roswell and you say this is a craft of anything, spacecraft and 1253 01:38:31.800 --> 01:38:35.760 all the guys were killed, then all you know is that there's visitation. 1254 01:38:36.640 --> 01:38:41.119 You know nothing about their motives, You know nothing about their civilization, you 1255 01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:43.720 know nothing about how they travel. You don't know if they're hostile, you 1256 01:38:43.720 --> 01:38:48.800 don't know if they're benevolent. You know nothing about them. So the best 1257 01:38:48.800 --> 01:38:53.239 thing you can do is keep your mouth shut until you can learn these things. 1258 01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:57.800 And I don't think we've learned those things. But I just don't think 1259 01:38:57.920 --> 01:39:02.479 that we're going to see anything in the realm of disclosure until the event is 1260 01:39:02.479 --> 01:39:08.439 precipitated by something else. We can demand disclosure and all of this thing, 1261 01:39:08.479 --> 01:39:11.640 and they're going to point and laugh at us as they do. I think 1262 01:39:11.680 --> 01:39:14.880 the closest we may have come was in the mid nineteen nineties, and we've 1263 01:39:14.920 --> 01:39:16.880 had a lot of discussion going on in the Roswell case, and I think 1264 01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:21.880 that scared somebody, because that's the only reason you'd think that they would say, 1265 01:39:21.920 --> 01:39:26.600 well, we've got to respond to these Roswell stuff. And the Air 1266 01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:32.399 Force pretends to investigate Roswell, when in fact all they were doing was looking 1267 01:39:32.399 --> 01:39:38.920 for documentation in other agencies. But we just don't really have any power to 1268 01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:45.520 force disclosure, and I think it's going to take the aliens to force it 1269 01:39:45.880 --> 01:39:49.359 by doing something that is so extravagant that there's no way to bury it. 1270 01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:57.600 If Roswell was a real UFO crash, they picked probably the best place they 1271 01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:01.079 could do it to keep it hidden, given the location, given what the 1272 01:40:01.119 --> 01:40:09.319 bas at Roswell did, given the the the scientific work being done throughout New 1273 01:40:09.359 --> 01:40:15.359 Mexico at that time, they picked the worst place for that to happen because 1274 01:40:15.640 --> 01:40:19.920 there was so many ways to bury the information. If it had happened in 1275 01:40:19.960 --> 01:40:24.399 New York City, if it happened in Denver, Colorado, if it happened 1276 01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:28.720 anywhere else, they probably couldn't have buried it as well as they did. 1277 01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:34.119 Right. Yes, A question up on the message board, what do you 1278 01:40:34.199 --> 01:40:42.800 think about possibly they could be called disinformation agents? Jim Oberg especially, I 1279 01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:47.159 don't think so. I think the guys truly believe what they're saying. I've 1280 01:40:47.359 --> 01:40:54.479 often wondered about the skeptics. They're allegedly skeptics, unless, of course, 1281 01:40:54.479 --> 01:40:58.159 you're following their point of view. And I've asked them about this, Why 1282 01:40:58.159 --> 01:41:03.079 do you accept Mogul's the answer for Roswell without asking the kind of questions you 1283 01:41:03.199 --> 01:41:08.680 ask us who are saying that it might be an alien spacecraft? You know, 1284 01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:12.840 don't you see the dichotomy there? And and so I think I don't 1285 01:41:12.840 --> 01:41:16.560 think Oberg is a disinformation agent. I think he just believes that he has 1286 01:41:16.600 --> 01:41:23.680 the right answer. I'm not sure why they believe they have to protect the 1287 01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:27.960 flame of knowledge the way they do. They are keepers of the flame. 1288 01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:32.960 But I don't think they're disinformation agents. I think if there was ever a 1289 01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:36.640 different disinformation program, it's been closed down long ago because we do it to 1290 01:41:36.720 --> 01:41:41.680 ourselves. And all I have to do is look at the alien autopsy. 1291 01:41:41.720 --> 01:41:45.439 Again, there's a disinformation program if you want to point at it. But 1292 01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:48.199 it was not motivated by the government. It was motivated by money, right, 1293 01:41:48.520 --> 01:41:51.920 and and a fame. And we look at all of this stuff, 1294 01:41:53.760 --> 01:41:56.520 you know, and my friend Stan Friedman will yell at me for this, 1295 01:41:56.640 --> 01:42:01.840 but but MJ twelve was not disinformation. And it was Bill Moore and and 1296 01:42:01.840 --> 01:42:08.039 and Richard Dody and Jamie Shandery trying to move themselves to the forefront of UFO 1297 01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:13.359 research with the disclosure of these alleged documents. And I think we just do 1298 01:42:13.479 --> 01:42:16.159 that to ourselves all the time so they don't have to do it. If 1299 01:42:16.159 --> 01:42:19.560 I, if I was on the if I was on the staff of the 1300 01:42:19.680 --> 01:42:24.840 people that for disinformation, I take credit for all of this stuff. Yeah. 1301 01:42:24.880 --> 01:42:27.960 I fed this, uh, this alien autopsy thing to this race and 1302 01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:30.520 telling a guy and uh he just ran with it for me. Uh you 1303 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:35.720 know, it was my idea. I just take credit for it, right. 1304 01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:40.159 Uh. Someone wanted to know what your thoughts were about Kecksburg, And 1305 01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:45.760 I want to ask, had you ever checked out what I think I'm trying 1306 01:42:45.760 --> 01:42:49.079 to remember John Venture and someone else that they were on my show talked about 1307 01:42:49.119 --> 01:42:55.279 they thought they had it solved that I say, satellite. No, they're 1308 01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:59.279 wrong. It's not a satellite. I know. I actually had uh Stan 1309 01:42:59.359 --> 01:43:04.279 Gordon on and debating about it. But I think Stan's wrong too. Stan 1310 01:43:04.359 --> 01:43:09.119 Gordon's wrong too. I think it was a meteor. Uh. And there's 1311 01:43:09.159 --> 01:43:12.199 evidence for a meteor fall in the area, which I hesitate to say because 1312 01:43:12.239 --> 01:43:18.640 Stan Stan Gordon's friend, and I know he's spent decades researching this thing, 1313 01:43:18.760 --> 01:43:24.079 and there's some very interesting stuff that comes out of there. But in today's 1314 01:43:24.159 --> 01:43:28.920 world, what about the right angle turn that everybody said they saw. I 1315 01:43:28.920 --> 01:43:30.479 don't think it made a right angle turn. I think it was the smoke 1316 01:43:31.439 --> 01:43:35.399 caught in the upper atmosphere and they perceived a right angle turn when there really 1317 01:43:35.439 --> 01:43:40.279 wasn't any. And I've seen that sort of thing from if you watch vapor 1318 01:43:40.279 --> 01:43:43.960 trails enough, you'll see some of that where it was at one point straight 1319 01:43:43.960 --> 01:43:45.720 across the sky and suddenly it looks like it's been all over the place, 1320 01:43:45.720 --> 01:43:50.960 and it's the the atmospheric's upper of the winds aloft to get to it. 1321 01:43:53.720 --> 01:43:57.079 I know Stan, I mean, Stan has been very helpful. When I 1322 01:43:57.119 --> 01:44:01.840 did crash. From the crash, I asked for his help and for photographs, 1323 01:44:01.880 --> 01:44:04.840 and he was kind enough to send them to me. And I said, 1324 01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:14.520 at that time, I believe there were five legitimate crashes Roswell, Las 1325 01:44:14.600 --> 01:44:20.359 Vegas, shig Harbor, Kecksburg. I forget what the fifth one was, 1326 01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:28.720 but those and now I think Las Vegas Las Vegas probably was a meteor based 1327 01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:32.359 on things that I've seen. At one point on my blog, I had 1328 01:44:32.399 --> 01:44:39.119 a from YouTube a video compilation of meteor falls, and you look at these 1329 01:44:39.159 --> 01:44:44.039 meteor falls caught on caught on video, I say, videotape, DVD or 1330 01:44:44.039 --> 01:44:47.720 whatever digitally captured digitally, and you see the things as they break up. 1331 01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:51.520 It begins to look like you've got a cigar shaped craft with windows on it. 1332 01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:55.520 And if you just catch a glimpse of that, that's going to be 1333 01:44:55.520 --> 01:44:59.800 what your mind perceives. And looking at that sort of thing, as you 1334 01:44:59.840 --> 01:45:03.000 know, kind of altered my thinking. So YouTube has taken that stuff down. 1335 01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:06.960 I don't know if they've changed the encryption or the encryption on blog Spot 1336 01:45:08.039 --> 01:45:11.439 has been changed so it won't play those things anymore. But it's if you 1337 01:45:11.439 --> 01:45:15.000 go to YouTube and you type in meteor compilation as three minutes and nineteen seconds, 1338 01:45:15.399 --> 01:45:18.560 and you'll see a whole bunch of these things and it's just just incredible 1339 01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:23.119 what they look like when you when you think of it in connection with UFO 1340 01:45:23.399 --> 01:45:27.359 so well, I saw a fireball once that went over my head. That 1341 01:45:27.479 --> 01:45:30.479 was the most It was more incredible than seeing the UFO. It was absolutely 1342 01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:36.960 amazing. This was so many years ago. There's a couple of questions before 1343 01:45:36.960 --> 01:45:45.039 we get off Kecksburg. There's so many witnesses that this is what I almost 1344 01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:46.920 wish I had you on the show. At the same time. There's so 1345 01:45:46.960 --> 01:45:53.359 many witnesses. There's people that saw the military go in the trucks take something 1346 01:45:53.399 --> 01:45:57.119 away, or a truck flapbed takes something away, and on and on and 1347 01:45:57.159 --> 01:46:00.920 on. How would that what's your what makes you think it was a meteor? 1348 01:46:02.439 --> 01:46:09.960 Because the actual media was found in Canada, I know, I know. 1349 01:46:10.039 --> 01:46:14.000 There's there's little stories and and one of one of them came from our 1350 01:46:14.039 --> 01:46:18.000 pal Cliff Stone. By the way, he saw the tarp truck go into 1351 01:46:19.279 --> 01:46:27.159 Was it not Lackabye? No, an Air Force base? Not right Patterson, 1352 01:46:27.199 --> 01:46:29.880 but he was supposedly was in the parking lot and watched the tarp truck 1353 01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:31.359 go into it. If he was sixteen years old. I don't know how 1354 01:46:31.359 --> 01:46:34.439 he got there or anything about it. It's just another one of those cockamami 1355 01:46:34.479 --> 01:46:38.399 stories he tells. But I know there was that. I know there was 1356 01:46:38.439 --> 01:46:45.359 police involved. I know that there was a radio I would say, documentary 1357 01:46:45.399 --> 01:46:51.359 that was done within weeks, if not days, of the of the thing 1358 01:46:51.439 --> 01:46:55.159 called the Object in the Wood, and Stan Gordon was kind enough to send 1359 01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:58.800 me a copy of that. Uh So you've got police officials talking about and 1360 01:46:58.840 --> 01:47:00.960 the police officials are out there and that sort of thing. So there's a 1361 01:47:00.000 --> 01:47:05.600 lot of this stuff going on. Uh So, I I just I you 1362 01:47:05.640 --> 01:47:12.239 know, I there's there's there's questions about it. I just don't get a 1363 01:47:12.239 --> 01:47:18.039 good feeling from it anymore. Like I used to there doctor Eric Walker that 1364 01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:23.960 supposedly was there and then went to the White House to do a debriefing on 1365 01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:28.359 it. I don't know. I didn't know about that year that just came 1366 01:47:28.439 --> 01:47:30.600 up on the message board. I don't know about that. I don't know 1367 01:47:30.640 --> 01:47:34.640 about that. I know that there's some some things that have been said about 1368 01:47:34.640 --> 01:47:39.159 Walker that turned out not to be true. I haven't really researched that, 1369 01:47:39.239 --> 01:47:44.199 so I really don't know about that. There were military people. I know 1370 01:47:44.239 --> 01:47:47.760 there was three men that were sent in from Pittsburgh. I think it was. 1371 01:47:47.800 --> 01:47:56.000 There's a radar of an Air Force Reserve unit there, and in the 1372 01:47:56.000 --> 01:48:00.359 Air Force Reserve there's there's full time active duty people who who on the thing 1373 01:48:00.399 --> 01:48:02.840 when the reservist aren't there. I know the three guys were sent from there 1374 01:48:02.880 --> 01:48:08.960 to to Kexburg to check on this sort of thing. So you've got that 1375 01:48:09.039 --> 01:48:12.159 sort of thing going on in their discussion in the blue Book files about it 1376 01:48:12.199 --> 01:48:15.840 as well. So it's you know, it's it's a big case. It's 1377 01:48:15.880 --> 01:48:20.000 an important case. I think, even even if it turns out to be 1378 01:48:20.119 --> 01:48:26.119 something natural, I think it's an important case. I'm leaning now toward a 1379 01:48:26.199 --> 01:48:30.840 natural phenomenon for the for the explanation. I don't think that Ventura that venture, 1380 01:48:30.880 --> 01:48:35.960 whatever his name is, has got it right. But I fear that 1381 01:48:36.039 --> 01:48:40.479 Stan Gordon hasn't got it right. And I always hesitate to say that because 1382 01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:45.600 I know the work he's done on it, and I know he's absolutely sincere 1383 01:48:45.640 --> 01:48:48.680 in what he says, and he truly believes that he's got it right. 1384 01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:55.399 So I always hesitate to say anything about it because I just feel bad for 1385 01:48:55.520 --> 01:49:00.680 him. Okay, update Cubs five, Yes to one Cleveland one. Yeah, 1386 01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:06.680 I didn't want to do it again. Yes, well yeah, I 1387 01:49:08.199 --> 01:49:12.159 don't know enough about Kecksburg. It just seems to me that there was so 1388 01:49:12.279 --> 01:49:17.399 many witnesses that saw something going on in the woods and the trench, and 1389 01:49:17.560 --> 01:49:19.880 I can and I can, and I can say if we go back to 1390 01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:24.880 Roswell in nineteen ninety five, I can say the same thing. And how 1391 01:49:24.920 --> 01:49:28.239 many of the witnesses it turned out not to be credible. Well, I 1392 01:49:28.239 --> 01:49:30.319 got to tell you also, when going back to the fireball that I saw, 1393 01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:35.039 it was this huge thing. I could even see it rotating as it 1394 01:49:35.079 --> 01:49:40.319 was moving, and it went out. This is kind of funny because I 1395 01:49:40.359 --> 01:49:43.760 was also in a hot tub that's where I had a UFO sighting. But 1396 01:49:43.840 --> 01:49:47.760 this was back in the eighties. So I saw this thing and I thought 1397 01:49:47.800 --> 01:49:50.800 for sure it went I was right. I lived right near not too far 1398 01:49:50.840 --> 01:49:55.199 from the Atlantic Ocean, and I thought for sure it just went right in 1399 01:49:55.239 --> 01:49:58.760 the ocean, right off the coast, and I found out the next day 1400 01:49:58.800 --> 01:50:03.119 that it had landed in Haina. So it looked like it was going so 1401 01:50:03.359 --> 01:50:09.920 low over where I was, and the thing landed or a a large media 1402 01:50:10.199 --> 01:50:13.920 that landed that, you know, like an hour or two hours later, 1403 01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:17.600 whatever it was in China. So I'm not saying it's possibly the same one, 1404 01:50:17.680 --> 01:50:23.800 but I thought it could be. I saw a beautiful media when I 1405 01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:28.319 was a paper boy in Shy and Wyoming delivering the papers and looked up and 1406 01:50:28.479 --> 01:50:30.840 saw the thing going over the top, and it seems to be sort of 1407 01:50:30.840 --> 01:50:34.800 an awkwad green and it broke into four parts. I saw it break up 1408 01:50:34.840 --> 01:50:39.520 and then and then go out and then flame out, and I mean it 1409 01:50:39.560 --> 01:50:42.800 was such a stunning site. It stuck with me all these years, and 1410 01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:48.520 it allowed me to say Shy and Wyoming as well. Wow, let's see. 1411 01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:53.840 I just want to make sure I answered asked all these questions. So 1412 01:50:55.279 --> 01:50:59.199 I want to talk now. We only have about six or seven minutes left. 1413 01:50:59.359 --> 01:51:02.760 But I wanted to talk about your your blog because many times I have 1414 01:51:03.479 --> 01:51:10.800 tried to look up information for myself just to see how credible something was or 1415 01:51:11.840 --> 01:51:15.960 and I find you have written a blog on it. I've written how many 1416 01:51:15.239 --> 01:51:20.560 blogs have you written? Lots of it? Yes, this thing goes back 1417 01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:25.199 to like, you know, a decade. Wow. And the first the 1418 01:51:25.239 --> 01:51:28.039 first year there wasn't a whole lot. And last year I did one hundred 1419 01:51:28.039 --> 01:51:31.720 and twenty three entries. And I know the entries are longer than they're supposed 1420 01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:34.520 to be on a blog, but it's my blog and my rules, so 1421 01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:39.560 I do what I want, but I as I as I go through. 1422 01:51:39.960 --> 01:51:44.439 We've done a lot recently on Scoro and that you know, that sort of 1423 01:51:44.439 --> 01:51:47.479 came up on my radio program when I had Ben Moss and Tony Angeola on 1424 01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:53.960 the program talking about Secoro and what was going on there. And so I've 1425 01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:57.000 done I've done a number of blog postings on that, and that's what led 1426 01:51:57.039 --> 01:52:01.840 to Race Stanford being on the program. And we ended up with Rob Mercer 1427 01:52:01.880 --> 01:52:06.520 who ended up with some of these files. Well that's how I ended up 1428 01:52:06.520 --> 01:52:14.560 with the Project Blue Book guy on my show today named Carman Moreno, and 1429 01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:17.119 he was he was, you know, a picture of him standing behind Quintinia. 1430 01:52:17.880 --> 01:52:23.640 Uh, how is the book must be fairly old. Uh he's probably 1431 01:52:24.800 --> 01:52:28.359 seventy. Oh okay, I was thinking he'd be in his eighties at least. 1432 01:52:28.399 --> 01:52:30.680 Well, it's it's the end, and he was he was a lieutenant 1433 01:52:30.720 --> 01:52:32.119 at the time, so he could have he could have been easily in his 1434 01:52:32.159 --> 01:52:36.199 early twenties. I mean I when I was, I was in the Army. 1435 01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:42.319 H I got back from Vietnam within weeks of the Air Force announcing that 1436 01:52:42.359 --> 01:52:45.479 there were they were closing Project blue Book. I've actually been accused of being 1437 01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:49.279 a member of Project blue Book, which I think is absolutely hilarious. But 1438 01:52:49.279 --> 01:52:53.920 but and I'm not seventy yet, so there you go. But yeah, 1439 01:52:54.079 --> 01:52:57.760 we had a nice discussion about what was going on in blue Book at the 1440 01:52:57.800 --> 01:53:00.520 time and that sort of thing. But that it led to that and Rob 1441 01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:04.880 Mercer finding the the blue Book files when we asked him, I asked him 1442 01:53:04.880 --> 01:53:10.479 how that came about and why he had that material, and so I was 1443 01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:14.000 you know, it was an interesting discussion about all of that. Now, 1444 01:53:14.079 --> 01:53:17.439 getting back to your blog, there's you put a lot of common sense into 1445 01:53:17.479 --> 01:53:23.079 your work and a lot of research when you write something. And uh so, 1446 01:53:24.159 --> 01:53:28.439 actually, if you just look, if you just google a different perspective 1447 01:53:28.800 --> 01:53:33.640 online, you will find Kevin's blog. It's Kevin Randall and blogspot or something 1448 01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:38.640 like that. Right, it's a Kevin Randall dot blogspot dot com. But 1449 01:53:38.760 --> 01:53:42.000 if if you go to just a different perspective, it'll come up. And 1450 01:53:42.039 --> 01:53:45.880 sometimes if you're if you're looking for a specific case or something to find it, 1451 01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:48.560 it's the first thing that comes up. So, yeah, a lot 1452 01:53:48.600 --> 01:53:54.880 of cases I've looked into and find this scoop on your your blog? Have 1453 01:53:55.039 --> 01:54:01.560 you? Uh? And I consider you someone very reasonable in very cautious in 1454 01:54:01.600 --> 01:54:06.159 your writing. But have you ever written something and had to recant it like 1455 01:54:06.199 --> 01:54:13.600 you found out more information? Yes, yes, yes, love can who 1456 01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:18.359 was a witness that that was being promoted as having been involved in the Rollswell 1457 01:54:18.359 --> 01:54:23.720 case and all of this stuff, and you know, being promoted as a 1458 01:54:23.720 --> 01:54:27.560 brigadier general And I couldn't find him on any lists. You know, there's 1459 01:54:27.560 --> 01:54:30.199 all kinds of documentation of who were general officers. And I wrote that I 1460 01:54:30.199 --> 01:54:34.920 suspected that he was in something called the you know, State Guard Association, 1461 01:54:36.159 --> 01:54:43.840 and which is not really military oriented. Is you know, a bunch of 1462 01:54:43.880 --> 01:54:46.640 civilians playing playing soldier type thing. And in some of the State Guards they 1463 01:54:46.640 --> 01:54:50.079 actually do some really good work. I really shouldn't detegrate them that way. 1464 01:54:50.359 --> 01:54:54.279 I myself was actually a major general in the organization at one time. I 1465 01:54:54.279 --> 01:54:56.880 sent him my thirty bucks and me. I convinced him I should be. 1466 01:54:57.800 --> 01:55:00.119 But so I wrote about that, and I also said in that in that 1467 01:55:00.199 --> 01:55:04.000 blog that he was, that he had claimed to have been with the ASA, 1468 01:55:04.079 --> 01:55:10.079 and he was on the communications at the Eisenhower White House. And since 1469 01:55:10.119 --> 01:55:13.000 this whole thing about him being a general and kind of broken apart and been 1470 01:55:13.119 --> 01:55:17.000 more properly than that actual fact, I suggested that I didn't believe that either. 1471 01:55:17.039 --> 01:55:20.039 Well, it turns out he really was and had the documentation to prove 1472 01:55:20.079 --> 01:55:26.319 it. So I did a blog. I think I took down that one 1473 01:55:26.319 --> 01:55:28.640 and put up a difference says, you know, that's a good thing about 1474 01:55:28.640 --> 01:55:32.560 a blog. I can eliminate the bad stuff and here's here's the story as 1475 01:55:32.600 --> 01:55:35.199 it really is now. And I was right about this part of it. 1476 01:55:35.359 --> 01:55:39.119 I was wrong about that part of it. So I've done stuff that I've 1477 01:55:39.159 --> 01:55:41.840 taken down, and I'm not sure if you can get it through the wayback 1478 01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:44.800 machine or any of that sort of thing, but I have done that, 1479 01:55:44.880 --> 01:55:48.199 and I have updated information when I've put something out that which was the best 1480 01:55:48.199 --> 01:55:54.520 information I had at the time, and then learned additional information, and I've 1481 01:55:54.600 --> 01:55:59.119 corrected that information as we go through it. The most The most recent example 1482 01:55:59.319 --> 01:56:06.279 was I did one on the Sikoro symbol identified or something like that, and 1483 01:56:09.560 --> 01:56:12.439 a couple of comments made me rethink that, and so I put a question 1484 01:56:12.479 --> 01:56:16.760 mark in the title. I think now I'll probably do another update on that, 1485 01:56:17.079 --> 01:56:20.920 simply because I have more information about all of that, and I think 1486 01:56:20.960 --> 01:56:24.960 I pretty well know what the symbol is and I think we've pretty well identified 1487 01:56:24.960 --> 01:56:28.920 it. Okay, just one quick question because we have to close out right 1488 01:56:28.960 --> 01:56:31.000 now, and that is have you had a sighting? I can't remember if 1489 01:56:31.039 --> 01:56:36.159 I ever asked you that or if you talked about it. It's really crappy. 1490 01:56:35.479 --> 01:56:39.239 When I was growing up. When I was growing up in Denver, 1491 01:56:39.279 --> 01:56:44.239 I was met with the Denver UFO Society on Thursday nights no Friday nights, 1492 01:56:44.560 --> 01:56:46.159 and they had a big thing near Castle Rock and we were all out there 1493 01:56:46.159 --> 01:56:49.720 sitting around the campfire, and it looked like something was a light across the 1494 01:56:49.720 --> 01:56:54.000 sky from north to south and it got straight overhead and blinked, went and 1495 01:56:54.039 --> 01:56:57.000 then it continued on. And it was a time when we didn't have anything 1496 01:56:57.000 --> 01:57:00.119 in a polar orbit. Oh wow, So that so that's the best thing. 1497 01:57:00.119 --> 01:57:02.760 I mean today, you go outside, look at the International Space Station. 1498 01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:06.279 That pretty well looks like what I saw, but it was at a 1499 01:57:06.319 --> 01:57:09.720 time when we didn't have a lot of satellites. If we didn't have anything 1500 01:57:09.720 --> 01:57:14.039 for polar orbit or orbit, that's the best I can do. Thanks so 1501 01:57:14.119 --> 01:57:16.760 much, Kevin. Amount of time here, Thanks so much. Great talking 1502 01:57:16.800 --> 01:57:19.279 to you. I hope to have you back on again. Well you know 1503 01:57:19.279 --> 01:57:23.079 where I live, I do, all right, check to you soon, 1504 01:57:23.560 --> 01:57:28.079 Okay, all right, thank you everyone for hanging in listening to the show. 1505 01:57:28.640 --> 01:57:32.720 And that's it for our guests. And next week we have we just 1506 01:57:32.840 --> 01:57:36.920 his name just came up, both Ben Moss and Tony and Giola. They're 1507 01:57:36.920 --> 01:57:42.199 going to be on next week here at the same time. Thanks so much. 1508 01:57:42.239 --> 01:57:45.319 We have to close out because we ran out of time, and we'll 1509 01:57:45.359 --> 01:58:02.279 be back next week, so remember to keep your eyes to the sky.