1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,759 Very good. I'm going to actually move this camera over a little bit too, 2 00:00:02,799 --> 00:00:06,799 because we're also online. Mary Anne Williamson is here and I've got your 3 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:09,800 mic up. Welcome to the show. Thank you, thank you. It's 4 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:13,400 wonderful to meet you. This is the first time we've met. Thank you. 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,120 I've obviously I've been aware of you for for a long time, because 6 00:00:17,559 --> 00:00:20,879 you know you're running for president of course in twenty twenty. And you sound 7 00:00:20,879 --> 00:00:24,039 out of breath. Where were running again, that we're late? Yeah, 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,160 we were sort of running. I'm so smart. No, No, it's 9 00:00:26,199 --> 00:00:28,320 okay. No, it's like I was saying, Okay, that's okay. 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,239 I know that you know when you're I mean, you're probably doing a lot 11 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:34,759 of appearances. We are the first in the nation primary in theory. Well 12 00:00:35,039 --> 00:00:39,320 you know that DNC cannot strip you of your significance. Well that's one of 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,479 the things I wanted to ask you about today. Actually, yeah, yeah, 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,960 and also too before we really get going on that, and I want 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,840 to talk to you about issues too, but I also want to talk to 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,520 you about your experience with the DNC. But if you have any questions or 17 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,600 anything at all for Marianne, the studio line is open six zo three two 18 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,399 five zero six z seven six three two five zero six zero seven, And 19 00:00:57,399 --> 00:01:00,079 of course you can always ask questions in the chat room as well. We 20 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:06,719 have a very busy chat room. But yeah, I saw you on The 21 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:11,120 Young Turks with Jak and Anna, and you were talking quite a bit about 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,079 some of the ways that they I don't know how much you blame the DNC 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,400 or the Biden campaign or both if it's all kind of the same, but 24 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:23,519 it sounds like they've really kind of tried to sabotage you. Yeah. Yes, 25 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:27,359 I early on after I had announced, I heard some pundits say, 26 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:30,519 well, we should just pretend she's not there, and I thought, well, 27 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,439 they're not going to be able to do that, But that's exactly been 28 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,840 the tactic, you know, So I'm not on you know, it's pretty 29 00:01:37,879 --> 00:01:42,760 astonishing actually, someone who is a declared candidate. You you know, you're 30 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:47,319 not on CNN, you're not on MSNBC, So you really see that those 31 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:53,159 stations, those networks just chop wood and carry water for the DNC, for 32 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,120 the Democrats the way Fox does for the Republicans. And it's uh, it's 33 00:01:57,159 --> 00:02:00,959 bad for our democracy. I'm sorry, it is it just is it's bad 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:05,159 for democracy. No, I agree with you, has your I mean, 35 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,680 obviously, in some ways your experience has been different than in twenty twenty, 36 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,520 because in twenty twenty, for example, you know, you didn't have an 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,759 incumbent democrat, so it was an open field and you got to be on 38 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:15,280 that debate stage. You actually quite a few of the debates, right, 39 00:02:15,319 --> 00:02:20,280 and they couple of them, and they were they were satisfied to just mock 40 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,039 me, you know, yeah, and treat me like I'm wacky, and 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,360 we would say at this time, they are very serious about not wanting anyone 42 00:02:28,159 --> 00:02:31,280 in the field except Joe Biden, and they're overt about it. I just 43 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:35,400 think it's a bad idea. I think it's a bad idea, not only 44 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,240 because it's bad for democracy, but because it's we're all supposed to just assume 45 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,360 that because the president beat Trump in twenty twenty, that he's the best candidate 46 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,879 for twenty twenty four. I think that's wrong. I don't believe that's true. 47 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:53,159 I think that you know, when people say to me, Marian, 48 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:55,159 why are you doing this the fascist store at the door, don't you realize 49 00:02:55,199 --> 00:03:00,759 that I'm doing this because the fascist store at the door. And I agree 50 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,319 with Franklin Roosevelt who said that we wouldn't have to worry about a fascist takeover 51 00:03:05,479 --> 00:03:09,000 as long as democracy delivered on its promises. In a country that, unlike 52 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:13,960 every other advanced democracy, does not have universal healthcare, that does not have 53 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,039 tuition free college, or free childcare, or paid family leave, or a 54 00:03:17,039 --> 00:03:23,599 guaranteed living wage or guaranteed housing, democracy is not delivering on its promises, 55 00:03:23,879 --> 00:03:28,240 and that should be the agenda of the Democrats. It is my agenda for 56 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,000 twenty twenty four. It is an offering of fundamental economic reform, not just 57 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:37,479 the alleviation of stress for what really amounts to less than the majority of the 58 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,639 American people. Bionomics is not a winning message for twenty four. It means 59 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,599 that I've alleviated the stress of some people that is not the majority of people. 60 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:52,199 That message that we've done so well and let's just finish the job is 61 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,439 contradictory to the viscual experience of the majority of American people. It's not going 62 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,280 to win, and most importantly, it's not going to repair the country over 63 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,000 the next four years. And my agenda does How does your agenda differ from 64 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:08,080 what Biden has has done or what he puts forth, because obviously, you 65 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:13,159 know, Republicans talk about Biden like he's this far left guy, which which 66 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,839 which is a joke, clearly is not. And then of course, on 67 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:18,199 the other hand, you have folks like I mentioned the young Turks. You 68 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:23,839 know, they talk about Biden and other Democrats that are kind of in that 69 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,519 lane as being sort of Republican light. Almost. Well, when you ask 70 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,519 how my agenda differs, my agenda is universal healthcare. He has said that 71 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,920 he would veto a Medicare for All bill. It is a complete cancelation of 72 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,720 the college long dad. It is tuition free tech school. It is paid 73 00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:44,399 family leave, it is a guaranteed living wage. It is all those things 74 00:04:44,399 --> 00:04:46,120 that I had said before. They are quite different than the president. The 75 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:51,560 president is taking incremental approaches to maybe sort of kind of sometime getting there. 76 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:57,439 But like all corporatist Democrats, he wants to help people, but he not 77 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,040 so much that he is willing to get to the point challenging the bottom line 78 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:06,399 of his corporate donors, for whom short term profits goes above and beyond and 79 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:13,240 takes precedence over safety and well being and health of the American people. So 80 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:19,040 that's very different. Mine's fundamental economic reform, where humanitarian principles and democratic principles 81 00:05:19,079 --> 00:05:24,240 come before corporate profits, as as simple as that. And also another way 82 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,000 in which I radically differ from the President is that, for all his talk 83 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,720 about being a climate president, and even though there are indeed some healthy investments 84 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:36,439 in green energy in the Inflation Reduction Act, he has given more oil drilling 85 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,959 permits than even Trump there and he's approved the Willow Project, which was an 86 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:47,040 eight billion dollar oil drilling project on the north slopes of Alaska, both of 87 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:54,920 which completely nullify the benefits that otherwise are healthy in the Inflation Reduction Act regarding 88 00:05:54,959 --> 00:05:59,759 climate change, so I would declare a climate emergency, and I would be 89 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,800 and us immediately on mass mobilization to move justly from a dirty economy to a 90 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:10,959 clean economy. Has your messaging or even the issues themselves that you're most concerned 91 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:13,800 about, has that changed at all between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, 92 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,519 or is it no? Kind of the same? I look at the world 93 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,800 the same way I did. Then I have moved all the way to medicare 94 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,720 for all, in a way that in twenty twenty, so have we YEA 95 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:29,000 In twenty twenty, I still thought we could, you know, we could 96 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,480 get there for everybody, and I see differently now. Yeah. And also 97 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:35,879 I think we ought to legalized drugs, and I wasn't there in twenty twenty. 98 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,560 I really get we should end the drug war. Yeah, I say 99 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,680 that all the time, although I've always been there on that one, but 100 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,560 it took me a while to get there on Medicare for all. You know, 101 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,600 I consider myself a capitalist, and I think Jenny would say the same 102 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:49,720 thing. I'm a recovering or Republican, right, yeah, Jenny, Jenny 103 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:53,839 used to be a Republican state rep. I mean, you know, I'm 104 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,920 anymore. I'm an independent. But I've always said, I mean, my 105 00:06:57,079 --> 00:06:59,079 position, Maryanne, has always been that, you know, we live in 106 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,519 the most successful, most prosperous, wealthiest country in the history of the world. 107 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,160 So when somebody tries to tell me that we just can't figure out a 108 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,920 way to make sure that everyone has access to adequate or better than adequate, 109 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:12,639 preferably healthcare, I just I just don't believe it. So well, you 110 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,199 shouldn't believe it, because of course they're ruse is to tell us that it's 111 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:21,040 just complicated. It's not complicated. It's corrupt. Whether it's it's a it's 112 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:27,360 a matrix of corporate dominance that has become corporate tyranny at this point. Universal 113 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,920 healthcare because of insurance companies, rationing, insulent because of pharmaceutical companies, carcit 114 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:36,560 egens, and our food because of big food companies, big agricultural companies, 115 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:43,079 big chemical companies, lack of safety on our streets because of the manufacturers, 116 00:07:43,519 --> 00:07:47,959 dirty energy because of big oil, and obviously our foreign policy dominated by the 117 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:54,560 military industrial complex because of defense contractors. This will not end if we keep 118 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,360 electing those people, because everything that I just said is now baked into the 119 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:01,720 take the cake there that is quote will not just swept itself. This will 120 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:07,639 only happen if there is an intervention by the people. A government of the 121 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,360 people, by the people, and for the people who has become a government 122 00:08:09,399 --> 00:08:13,279 of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations. Those people will 123 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:18,199 not end that. Only we can. They absolutely will not. After just 124 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:20,759 being a brief time in DC, the amount of money that goes into the 125 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:28,120 lobbying there that absolutely destroys our healthcare system, and it makes access almost impossible. 126 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:31,519 I'm right there with you. I used to think that we can fix 127 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:35,840 our healthcare system, and no we can't. Eighty five million people are underinsured 128 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,759 or uninsured. And this business of underinsured. There are millions of people who 129 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:43,799 have the insurance that will enable them to go to the doctor, but eighteen 130 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,879 million of them can't afford because they don't have the coverage to pay for the 131 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:50,440 prescriptions that the doctors give them. They can't afford the treatment. I've had 132 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,600 doctor say to may, why do I even bother? I tell people I 133 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,279 understand what's wrong with you. This is the medicine you need, This is 134 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,960 the treatment you need, and the person says, my insurance won't come. 135 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,879 So what was the point of hearing the doctor tell you what was wrong with 136 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:05,960 you? I have a provider that had to hire an employee just to deal 137 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,960 with the Niles from Anthem, thank you, just to deal with that. 138 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:16,039 Yeah, and we have one in four Americans living with medical debt. Yes, 139 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,200 we have eighty eight billion dollar medical debt. Although I read the other 140 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:22,679 day, no, it's actually two hundred millions. So somewhere in there. 141 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,600 How many people are poor in our society because that's the only way they can 142 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:31,399 stay alive. That's me. I pay for my medications, my infusions. 143 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:35,399 I could go on and on. Everybody knows my story, but it's it's 144 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,879 that bad that every day people suffer and die in this country while the medications 145 00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:43,559 to make their lives better or to have a dignity locked behind a closed door 146 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,360 in the hospital where they can't afford it. We have one point three million 147 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:52,960 Americans who rush in their insulin. Yes, when I mentioned that in a 148 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,279 speech I gave in England about three months ago, people looked at me in 149 00:09:56,399 --> 00:10:01,080 disbelief. Because they have socialized medicine, they have universal healthcare. They can't 150 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,960 even imagine. What do you mean? People right, Russian their insolent and 151 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,879 this thirty five dollars limit, this isn't good enough. It's still for an 152 00:10:05,879 --> 00:10:09,320 average and that's who needs seven vials. That's over two hundred dollars in one 153 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,559 month. Right, And that's, by the way, only if you're sixty 154 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:15,519 five years or older. There are a lot of people under the age of 155 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,480 sixty five who were Russian and Gres did not know it was only for people 156 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:24,200 over sixty five. I thought that was a universal limit. Wow, And 157 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,960 what's your status in New Hampshire as far as are you on the ballot here 158 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:31,039 for the primary? I certainly will be on the ballot. Yeah, absolutely, 159 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,080 Yeah, I've been very upset about and I mean, I guess I 160 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:39,279 understand from a political standpoint the rationale behind it. Biden wanting to I think 161 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,360 he basically told the DNC you have to move the first in the nation primary 162 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,600 status in South Carolina. And I get it in a sense that you know, 163 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,200 I always say, Joe Biden owes this presidency to Congressman Jim Clyburn. 164 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,480 Yes for that endorsement. That's that's what turned it all around. And you 165 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,600 were were you still in the race at that point? Were you on the 166 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:01,679 ballot in South Carolina? Out? No, I dropped out before New Hampshire 167 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:05,559 last time, but I regretted it actually did you. Yeah, I'm not 168 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:09,919 dropping out this time. I remember seeing you in seeing you in the debates, 169 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,080 and you know, they kind of had you on the side. And 170 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,799 obviously those debates where you've got a whole I don't know, eight or ten 171 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,279 people on the stage, it's not really the best format to get to know 172 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:22,960 new faces on the political scene. Because that was that was the first time 173 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:28,120 we were really learning about you. It was afterward I saw a couple of 174 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:33,360 long form interviews. One was with a guy I'm not crazy about, but 175 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,840 Dave Ruben. I watched your sit down with Dave Ruben and I said, 176 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:41,240 Wow, she really she really knows her stuff. And it really that watching 177 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,600 that conversation and the way you pushed back on a lot of well it's Dave 178 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:48,559 Rubin, the way you pushed back on a lot of his nonsense. Frankly, 179 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,039 I was impressed. I said, well, Mary Ann Williamson, she's 180 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,840 really she brings a lot more to the table than what we got to see 181 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,279 during the debates, because, as you know, during the debates, when 182 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:03,360 you're on the end, you know you only get a couple of times to 183 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:07,840 really really speak. Well, it's even more than that too, because there's 184 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:13,120 a cognitive dissonance between what you were just saying Davey Reuben interviews and others versus 185 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:16,240 she's wacky, she's kooky, she's a crystal lady. You know. They 186 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:24,919 narratives are that's they are used as political weapons. Oh absolutely, I'm sorry, 187 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,519 but to speak freely. They like to use that kind of language when 188 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,279 a woman is involved, Thank you very much. Off Corey Booker says that 189 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:37,759 it's profound if I say it's woo woo or emotional exactly, and that's that's 190 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:41,919 part of what's wrong with our society. Unfortunately, unfortunately, but fortunately, 191 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,200 there are a lot of women in this country or are coming back and fighting 192 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,440 to end that. Yeah. And at the same time, when I think 193 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:54,440 of some of the weaponization of false information and so forth, certainly regarding me, 194 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,399 it's been women as much as men. Really, jeez, see, 195 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,159 I feel bad now. We internalize a lot of misogyny. I think, 196 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:05,519 what are you making? What do you mean? I'm curious, can you 197 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:09,320 expect I think some You know, when you talk about feminist thinking, I 198 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,440 know men who are more feminist than their thinking in terms of really standing up 199 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,600 for women. When I was growing up and the sort of feminism of the 200 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,679 era of that, say, the nineteen seventies, it was very understood that 201 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:26,240 sisterhood was part of this. None of us would get there unless all of 202 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:31,720 us get there. It seemed to be given equal weight, not just the 203 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:35,519 idea of equal rights for women, but also women being there for other women. 204 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,159 It was understood we needed that, and these days, I think a 205 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:45,960 lot of so called feminists don't seem to have a problem trashing other women in 206 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,000 order to get what they call their equal right. Point taken, absolutely, 207 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,440 point taken. I'm thinking of somebody specific, I don't know. I don't 208 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,159 know if you're familiar with or this might even be someone who had in mind 209 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,240 that. I don't know her actual name, but she's she's on social media 210 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,720 as just pearly things. I don't know her, okay, but well she 211 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,720 kind of it does what you were talking about, where she kind of trashes 212 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:09,559 other women and it's it's strange to uh, it's strange to watch her. 213 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:13,480 I had one question for you something that I know is on a lot of 214 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:20,320 Manchester residence minds, is our unemployees, forgive me our homeless rate? How's 215 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,360 it gone up fifty four percent in a year? And this is not it's 216 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:26,240 not just here. This is going on everywhere. A lot to do with 217 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,679 in avillaity, inaccessible homes and rents going out of control. What are you 218 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:39,080 thinking in your administration you would do to help lessen the population that we have 219 00:14:39,159 --> 00:14:43,000 that are homeless and help get people homed. Homelessness is a symptom, and 220 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:48,919 it is a symptom of an unfair economic system. That's why my Economic Bill 221 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,480 of Rights calls for many things that actually reduce the poverty rate. To begin 222 00:14:52,519 --> 00:14:56,840 with, we have an eviction rate with over three million people were evicted from 223 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:01,600 their homes last year. That's as high as it was during the housing crisis. 224 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,559 So the moratorium on evictions that was put in place during the COVID emergency, 225 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:13,600 lifting that moratorium is absurd. We should realize how many people who are 226 00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:18,720 homeless actually work full time. That's a lot of and that goes back to 227 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:20,879 things like what you were talking We were talking about with the insulin. So 228 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,559 somebody says what do I do. Do I try to stay alive and get 229 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:28,480 my insulin or do I pay my rent? They miss one rent shack and 230 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:33,600 then they and their family are thrown onto the streets. So this is this. 231 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:37,039 You know, it's become a cliche to say poverty is a policy choice, 232 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:43,799 but in very real ways it is. These are people who are at 233 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,879 the effect of what is essentially an unjust economic system. So on one hand, 234 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:52,519 you could say, well, there are six hundred thousand homeless people, 235 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,519 and there are also five hundred thousand homes that could be Think of all the 236 00:15:56,559 --> 00:16:00,960 jobs you could create if we kind of had a marshal plan for housing. 237 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,919 Also, we've got to stop with the commodification of housing that's now going on, 238 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:10,559 the lack of adequate housing, affordable housing, all of those things that 239 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,519 we know to be true. But I think we need more than anything to 240 00:16:12,559 --> 00:16:18,759 realize that it's all one problem. It's how many people in this country have 241 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:22,240 been thrown away. That's what it is. Whether it's people who don't have 242 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:26,440 healthcare, people who don't have a place to live, people who don't have 243 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:30,240 an education, people who have to work two or three jobs. It's a 244 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:38,039 huge swath of human suffering which is treated like an invisible throw away to official 245 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:45,279 political Washington. And until the American people recognize that and vote for a fundamental 246 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,840 break with that system, then even if we had five hundred houses that were 247 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:52,759 thrown into places for these people to live, they would still be more coming 248 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:57,879 down the pike because the system does not address the fundamental needs of the American 249 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:02,679 people. Like why you brought up about you know, there's homeless people who 250 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,519 have jobs, who are employed, but they're just in a situation where they 251 00:17:04,519 --> 00:17:07,519 can't you know, can't pay rent, certainly, can't afford a mortgage. 252 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:11,319 I think that's an important thing to remind people about because a phrase that gets 253 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,240 lost in a lot of dialogue that I think people need to learn is the 254 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:18,680 phrase working poor. There are people, you know, because people, I 255 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,200 think there's a stigma. People look at homeless people and assume they just, 256 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:25,079 you know, they're too lazy to find a job or this and that. 257 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,000 But like you said, a lot of homeless people have jobs, absolutely, 258 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:32,200 but they're just underwater. Another terrible thing going on with a lot of that. 259 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,799 Let's say somebody misses there, they get evicted, they have children, 260 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:40,079 they're living in their car, So then the couple is terrified that if they 261 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,119 send their kids to school, some school official is going to realize the child 262 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,960 is living in the car and it's going to call the child Protective Services. 263 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,640 So the parents are terrified the child will be taken away. So the parents 264 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,720 take the kids out of school in order to home school them. Well, 265 00:17:53,759 --> 00:18:00,599 where are they going to get WiFi? So then they're going into McDonald's to 266 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,480 get on WiFi to be able to homeschool their kids. This is the amount 267 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:08,759 of beaten This is the layers of people being beaten down in this system. 268 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:12,480 And like you said, it's working for it's good people, it's you know, 269 00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:17,759 we all know the cliches and the you know, every group has a 270 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:22,160 shadow element, but that's not who the group is. And we need to 271 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,920 realize that about about the homeless. And also all these laws all over the 272 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:32,880 country where people are they're criminalizing feeding the homeless. People are There was recently 273 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,640 a case in Texas. Unfortunately the woman was acquitted. She was arrested for 274 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:45,039 her organization feeding the homeless. There are arresting people for feeding the hungry. 275 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,559 Yep. Yeah, that's that's been a strange. Yeah, we have a 276 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,640 we have a call, Mary and I feel take a call from a listener. 277 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:56,960 Our friend Shannon is online high Shannon. What I was going to say 278 00:18:56,039 --> 00:19:03,319 is you were talking about the homeless population. What never gets mentioned is a 279 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:15,000 building fire that displaces five six families and you know they are now homeless unless 280 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:19,599 they have some family or whatever, you know, right to remember. Yeah, 281 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:26,440 that's another direction to go in. But yeah, absolutely, I did 282 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,160 you have a did you have a specific question for Marian No, I not 283 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,319 a question, just that statement that that you know, the homeless people aren't 284 00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:38,640 just a working board and this, that and everything else. That there's human 285 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,880 beings. Number one, Stop treating them like they're unsightly trash. Yes, 286 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:51,880 agreed that homeless people pick up your trash, Yohn, Maddie say agreed. 287 00:19:52,160 --> 00:20:00,440 I'm Matt sorry and just you know, I went it doesn't matter. Uh, 288 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:06,640 just treat human beings. Nope, a great human beings. Absolutely. 289 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,839 No, that's a cliche too. Well, you know how you want to 290 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,640 be treated. Yeah, I think Mary Anne wants to respond to you know, 291 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,119 we say homeless people and we tend to leave out the word people, 292 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:23,720 right exactly. Yeah, there are people that don't have to have happened exactly, 293 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:29,480 walls and halls and doors and windows. Yeah, you know, yep. 294 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:32,680 No, well, well said all right, Shannon. Well we appreciate 295 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,880 the call. All right, all right, thank you, bye bye. 296 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:38,640 All right, and we are taking calls. The studio line is open six 297 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:41,920 zo three two five O six zero seven six zo three two five six zero 298 00:20:42,079 --> 00:20:45,920 seven. Mary Anne Williamson is here if you're just joining us, and she 299 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:51,559 is a presidential candidate running on the for the Democrats to challenge President Biden. 300 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,319 And Mary Yet can I ask you, it's an indelicate It's an indelicate question. 301 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,160 But and I don't know if this is something you've addressed. I haven't 302 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,400 heard you address this scifically. But I mean, in terms of President Biden, 303 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:07,759 do you think he's too old? You know, I'm running against the 304 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:12,640 president on issues. Yeah, I hesitate to talk about his age because I 305 00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:18,400 for a couple of reasons. First of all, it just feels personal, 306 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,920 and everybody can see how the president's age. Everybody can hear how he speaks. 307 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:26,640 And also I don't want to be ages about it. I'm seventy one, 308 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:33,559 So I just you know, the American people, the American voter, 309 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,240 does not need me to tell them the president's age. They don't need me 310 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:44,119 to point out his gaffs or point out any of that. You know, 311 00:21:44,319 --> 00:21:51,519 today he was in Hawaii and he was telling people in Lahinah that he understands 312 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:57,440 about the fire because he and Jill almost lost their corvette and their cat when 313 00:21:57,559 --> 00:22:02,480 lightning struck struck their garage. And even though he said I don't mean to 314 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:06,359 be whatever, it was like cringe. You know, yeah, what is 315 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,440 really cringey? But you don't you don't think that's somewhat a product of is 316 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:11,480 like, I don't know, I don't know if Biden ten years ago would 317 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,079 have said that. Well, that's kind of my point. But well even 318 00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:18,559 though it did, just point it out, you know, I mean, 319 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:26,119 everybody hears and and and it is legitimate to ask ourselves what that would be 320 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,880 in someone going on for another four years. Yeah, it is legitimate to 321 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:36,440 consider his vice presidential candidate, and it's it's legitimate to consider whether whether or 322 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,519 not he is a strong candidate. The DNC would have us believe that because 323 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:45,640 he beat Trump in twenty twenty that it follows that he would beat him or 324 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,880 the Roma Swammy or the Santist or anyone else in twenty twenty four. And 325 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,359 I think the biggest point here is that it's not supposed to be the DNC's 326 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,799 decision. It should be the people in New Hampshire, in South Carolina, 327 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:02,000 in Michigan, in Nevada, in these primary states that open up this Donard. 328 00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:06,000 The role of the political party has traditionally been to stay in the background 329 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:10,119 until the people have spoken, and then the people will decide, and then 330 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,839 the party's supposed to swoop in at this point and support the candidate today. 331 00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:17,160 They don't even pretend they're very overt about it. They're not even covert. 332 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,960 They're saying, we will support the president. And then they've concocted this narrative 333 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,440 about how this never happens, what happens all the time. They say, 334 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:29,000 yeah, but when Teddy Kennedy ran against Carter, I'm sorry, Teddy Kennedy 335 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,279 did not defeat Carter. Ronald Reagan did so. And also, you know, 336 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,359 in twenty sixteen there were a lot of Republican candidates and the Republicans still 337 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,839 won. In twenty twenty there were a lot of Democratic candidates and the Democrats 338 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:48,640 still wont. So this suggestion that a lot of candidates will endanger us we 339 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:51,200 all have to get you know, every time somebody says that to me, 340 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:53,119 Mary, and we all have to just line up behind Biden. There is 341 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,960 a fascist at the door. I always think to myself, Wow, I 342 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,440 bet you have healthcare, don't you. I bet you can send you kids 343 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,839 to college, don't you. I bet you live on more than fifteen dollars 344 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,200 an hour, don't you. I bet you can afford to live on just 345 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,799 one job, can't you? This is you know, there is in sociology, 346 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:18,440 they talk about the difference between a screaming emergency and a silent emergency. 347 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:22,000 COVID was a screaming emergency. We all got that it was an emergency, 348 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:27,759 but why was it given this official moniker of emergency because rich people got it 349 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:33,920 too. So when the COVID emergency, when the President declared it over, 350 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,359 sending millions of people off their snap benefits, millions of people off Medicaid, 351 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,000 he said, the emergency is over. Go back to your lives. For 352 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,720 millions of people, life was already an emergency. Homelessness is an emergency, 353 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,039 Poverty is an emergency, Hunger is an emergency, lack of healthcare is an 354 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:55,000 emergency. Medical debt is an emergency. So there are the majority and remember 355 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:59,039 we're talking here about the majority of Americans, the majority of Americans who live 356 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,720 paycheck to paycheck. Right, And it's not only the poor and the neropoort 357 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,799 it's the afraid of becoming poor. It's the living with the constant economic stress 358 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:10,960 of what will happen if I lose my job? Right, it's uh, 359 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:12,839 well, and healthcare is tied. You know, we have a system in 360 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:17,079 the country where healthcare is directly tied to your job, and that's why so 361 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,960 many people are working at jobs they hate people. And then we talk about 362 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,720 the mental health crisis as though that is separate from these things, as though 363 00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:30,920 economic anxiety and stress is not a primary, if not the primary source of 364 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,480 the fact that people just can't take it. And then when we support you 365 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,759 know, and you know, they talk about intersectionality, and then that it 366 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:42,279 is related to the drug crisis and so forth. People are falling apart in 367 00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:45,880 front of our eyes, and we're supposed to go have another Biden Trump election 368 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,319 where the fact that people are falling in front of apart in front of our 369 00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:55,160 eyes will will politely be left out of the conversation. The rematch nobody wants. 370 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,920 But well they're certainly give it to us. That's that's for sure. 371 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,400 Yeah, when you were talking two about challenging incumbents, I was thinking about, 372 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:06,920 you know, you mentioned like Teddy Kennedy challenging Jimmy Carter and so forth. 373 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,160 I was thinking about nineteen ninety two when right here in New Hampshire, 374 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,640 uh Pat Buchanan, damn near beat. In fact, I think it was 375 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,960 a statistical tie. Uh damn near beat. George H. W. Bush 376 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:25,359 in the New Hampshire primary. It's called democracy. There were actual elections and 377 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,960 you didn't know who was going to win, and you didn't have a sense 378 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,000 of a political party putting their finger on the scale. And for Democrats, 379 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,279 this has been going on twenty sixteen with Bernie, twenty and twenty with Bernie, 380 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,079 and what I'm seeing, man, that's we've got to stand up to 381 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:45,279 those. Yeah. I remember in in two thousand, in two thousand and 382 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,240 sixteen, the way the DNC, you know, really kind of did put 383 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,319 their thumb on the scale for Hillary. And in fact, in ways you 384 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,160 know, we talked about debates. I remember they were Debbie Wasserman Schultz made 385 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,240 sure this doesn't get pointed out very often, but she made sure that the 386 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:06,319 debates were scheduled on Friday and Saturday nights when young people would not be well 387 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,720 who but that's who Bernie appealed to, was young people. Well. In 388 00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:15,079 the New York Times poll that came out a week before last in the tab 389 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:21,119 that is people eighteen to twenty nine, Biden has thirty four percent, I 390 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:26,519 have twenty seven percent, and Bobby Kennedy has thirteen percent. Now, it's 391 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:30,160 also interesting, why is that. Well, on one hand, it's policies 392 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,519 obviously, but there's something else. I can reach them because they're on TikTok 393 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:37,359 and it doesn't cost me money to get on TikTok. So they know what 394 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,480 they're doing by blocking me on CNN. They know what they're doing blocking me 395 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,880 on MSNBC. They know what they're doing calling me long shot, not a 396 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,279 credible candidate, because they it's their way of saying, nothing to look at 397 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:52,759 their folks, nothing nothing to see, their folks just walk on by, 398 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:57,240 nothing to see there. We've already got our candidate, right, But it 399 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,319 does give you more time to, you know, to go on I mean 400 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,559 a lot of the shows you know, as you pointed out, you know 401 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:06,799 they've got a younger audience, so it allows you to connect with those people. 402 00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:08,599 I mean, maybe you're better off, you know, going on podcasts 403 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:14,039 and radio shows that a younger audience is paying attention to, then going on 404 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:18,079 establishment media. You know, well, you need both to reach I mean, 405 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,200 all Americans of every age matter, and certainly the youth vote is extremely 406 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:27,920 important, and it's important not only demographically in electoral sense, it's important morally. 407 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,200 They're going to be here for another forty or fifty years, right, 408 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:37,319 they deserve their they're talking about their lives. Why are old people who probably 409 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:41,680 will not be here in twenty years, How do they think they have the 410 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,279 right to make all these decisions that will affect the lives of people who have 411 00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:51,759 another fifty, forty, fifty sixty years ahead of them. So a presidential 412 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:56,559 candidate or any political candidate needs to try to reach all and every voter. 413 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,880 I mean, there's no voter that doesn't count. Grateful to be on your 414 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,359 show. You're grateful to be on independent media, and you need to have 415 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,720 any opportunity you have to reach people. Have you been able to penetrate that 416 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:12,079 at all with like Cable News has CNN. Fox wants to have me on 417 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,359 because they don't have a problem messing with the president, right, Right, 418 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,680 I get invited on Fox, and I've been on News Nation a little bit, 419 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,799 but CNN and MSNBC, even the people who have me last time quite 420 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:32,960 a bit. And I just you know, I don't want to sound victimy 421 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,960 or whiney or any of that, because you know that's not what this is 422 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,160 about. It's just wrong. So do you go on when Fox invites you? 423 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,839 Yes? Because it's the only way you can reach people. And I 424 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,039 remind you that you were in New Hampshire where there's an open primary. Yeah, 425 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,279 and a lot of people are watching Fox in New Hampshire. So yeah, 426 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:55,279 so I go on. I mean, there's one show that I turned 427 00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,519 down this week that's not on Fox, it's another station. But it was 428 00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:02,480 so obvious that it was only to screw the president, right, and I'm 429 00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:06,319 not I'm not I'm not doing that. That's not I'm not going to play 430 00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:11,599 that game. I'm not going to be used that way. But on Fox 431 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:17,160 absolutely News Nation. Well, that's why, that's why they love to have 432 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:21,160 rfkon. Like conservative media has really embraced him. I mean, part of 433 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,000 it is some of the things he says, obviously, but also once again, 434 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,000 when you look at him, you know, New Hampshire is a is 435 00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:30,839 a is an open primary. Of South Carolina is an open primary too, 436 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:41,440 So this is a very things are Anybody who thinks that this is a predictable 437 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,839 era and that what lies before us politically is predictable, I think is naive. 438 00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:49,960 There is a lot of energy rumbling up from the bottom bottom of things. 439 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,799 I think there's a profound political realignment going on in this country, and 440 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:59,240 I don't think either major political party has any clue because they're in their own 441 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,160 bubble of their own multi billion dollar corporate Really, that's what they are. 442 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:11,400 And things will not remain the way they are. Things are going to break. 443 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,079 They're either going to break in the direction of greater democracy and justice and 444 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,720 people who say, wait, we're going back to the people, by the 445 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:21,480 people, for the people, as opposed to of the corporations, by the 446 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,680 corporations for the corporations, or it's going to break in the direction of dystopia 447 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:34,839 and neo authoritarianism and some really horrifying prospects if we're not careful. Is there 448 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:40,880 an issue that you have been talking about that has been a kind of a 449 00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,000 one of your main issues in your campaign that you feel is not getting talked 450 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,519 about enough, that's kind of being ignored by the mainstream. Is there anything 451 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:52,319 that you've been the mainstream is ignoring me anyway? So you know, of 452 00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:55,799 course, everything I talk about ignored by the mainstream. And I think there 453 00:31:55,799 --> 00:32:00,319 are some things that I wish to emphasize. One thing, for since I 454 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:04,119 want a Department of Children and Youth, we need to do a massive, 455 00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:09,599 a massive movement of resources in the direction of children ten years and younger. 456 00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:15,759 I don't think that we are beginning to grapple with what it means that we 457 00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:20,359 are now raising a generation of young children praying every morning they will not get 458 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,200 shot at school. So you think we have a mental health crisis now, 459 00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:28,319 you just wait ten or fifteen years. If we want a thriving economy in 460 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:32,480 a thriving society fifteen twenty years from now, our job is to take much 461 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:36,920 better care of our children ten years old and younger. Today. You know, 462 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,759 everybody talks about trauma informed education. We need to ask us, says, 463 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:45,640 why do we need something is very wrong in a society that needs so 464 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:52,000 much quote unquote trauma informed education. I have met elementary school principles who say 465 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:59,000 they have elementary school students on suicide watch. We have children in this country 466 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,000 who are traumatized for kindergarten. So I want to be the children's president, 467 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,599 and I want to I want every public school in America to be a palace 468 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,359 of culture and learning and the arts. So that is an emphasis. Also, 469 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,960 I want a Department of Peace, and I want this profound economic u 470 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:21,359 turn. And I think that leg ending the drug war is important as well. 471 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,160 So yeah, I have some things to say that are quite different than 472 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,480 both Biden and Bobby what about. I want to ask you about immigration too, 473 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,960 and obviously I know you're originally from Texas, yes, and sometimes people 474 00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:37,000 in border states have a little bit of a different perspective than we do, 475 00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:40,839 say here in the Northeast. So I'm curious to ask you about your immigration 476 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,440 policy and what you know my position. We talk about it a lot on 477 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,480 the show. I feel that we need a massive overhaul of the entire immigration 478 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:52,400 So of course we do, and much of the problem is due to congressional 479 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,079 inaction over the last few decades. But also a lot of the problem has 480 00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:00,680 to do with American foreign policy in Latin America over the last few decades, 481 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:06,039 and that includes not only supporting people who were the bad guys, to be 482 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:08,400 quite honest, because we thought the good guys will communist or socialists, and 483 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,800 in fact, in many cases the people that we did not support are the 484 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,519 ones who would have promoted a more stable economy. Secondly, and this goes 485 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:20,280 back to what we were talking about the drug war, the horror that most 486 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,719 of the people from Latin America are seeking to escape. Has to do with 487 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,960 the drug cartels. Ending the drug war will not solve the problem completely, 488 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:30,639 but it will help in the meantime. When you talk about the crisis, 489 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:35,960 the crisis that the border a lot of it. When certain voices in our 490 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,159 society talk about the crisis that the border, they're talking about a different crisis 491 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,159 than the one that matters to me. And the one they're talking about is 492 00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,800 not even a crisis actually, given how many jobs are open and available that 493 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,199 native born Americans are not looking to fill, thank you very much, that 494 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,280 many of these immigrants are. That's number one. And number two, we 495 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,400 need to own on an emotional level, the humanitarian crisis. If people, 496 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,519 if the average American had any idea with some of these people, most of 497 00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:12,559 these people actually are seeking to escape. Now, are there people trying to 498 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,280 gain the asylum system, Yeah, they're actually, and they should not allow 499 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,320 that to happen. But for the most part, if we're gonna if we're 500 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,360 gonna just shut not just our borders, but our hearts, then let's take 501 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:29,199 down that m Lazarus poem. Let's just not pretend. Let's just not be 502 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,039 these hypogrites. Give me or huddled mouses. You don't need to breatheree because 503 00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:35,440 we don't even mean it anymore. So we've got to decide are we are 504 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,320 compassionate society or not the idea that we don't have quote unquote won't have room 505 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,639 for these people. Actually we do, and if you look at the at 506 00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:51,440 the statistics, the immigrant population does more to contribute to our economy, not 507 00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:53,559 just to our culture and to our society, which should be obvious to anyone, 508 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,039 to our economy, and most of these undocumented people, they don't want 509 00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:05,440 to be undocumented. We force people into the shadows. We have draconian immigration 510 00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:09,280 laws, and so absolutely this needs to be overhauled. But I'll tell you 511 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,920 something. I think if there's any common thread to my candidacy and would be 512 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,639 to my administration, is do right by people and everything's going to repair itself. 513 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,480 Just do right by people, and gradually things are going to right. 514 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:30,599 The ship is listening so far to one side. And what those voices of 515 00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:34,840 the political class would say is that these ideas are so far left or so 516 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,519 radical. I remind you they're considered moderate positions in every other advanced democracy. 517 00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:45,920 But more than that, what's radical is what the neoliberal vulture capitalist system has 518 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,840 done. That is what's radical. What's radicals that over the last fifty years 519 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,599 there has been a fifty trillion dollar transfer of wealth into the hands of one 520 00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:58,239 percent of Americans. That's what's radical. What's radical is that one in four 521 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,079 Americans live with medical debt in richest country in the world, that sixty eight 522 00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:05,880 thousand people a year die of lack of healthcare. The one third of Americans 523 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,599 live on less than fifteen dollars an hour, and a half of them cannot 524 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:12,599 find a place to live. That half of our seniors live on less than 525 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,920 twenty five thousand dollars a year. That is what's radical. So what I'm 526 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:22,159 saying is just bring the ship back to a semblance of a situation in which 527 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,800 everyone has a chance. That's the American dream, that people have a chance, 528 00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:30,480 that if they work hard enough, they can manifest and make their dreams 529 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,320 come true. It used to be that the American dream was to buy a 530 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,920 house. Today the American dream for millions of people is to get out of 531 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:43,519 debt before they die. Debt is crippling, and these loans, these loans 532 00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:46,320 that these kids are caring. I can't even imagine being in my twenties. 533 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,440 I don't know if I've been in my twenties with tens of thousands of dollars 534 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,000 of college loan day, which they only took out because they're trying to better 535 00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:58,599 their lives. Right, right, This is so wrong, and that's why 536 00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:02,159 these should be forgiven, because they should never have existed to begin with. 537 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,880 Well, Biden did try to do that, and then again, you know, 538 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,239 there are those who believe, there are those who believe if he had 539 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,280 just come in and cauntled the whole thing, and he still has ways that 540 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,679 he could he could do more. Yeah, you know, he tries to 541 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,639 have it both ways. He wants to help people, but he doesn't want 542 00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:22,280 to offend, you know, the bankers. He doesn't want to offend those 543 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,920 corporate donors. And so far, it's well, the American people should have 544 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,679 a chance to decide whether or not that is an adequate response to the challenges 545 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,840 of our time. Well, he's been he's been a product of Washington going 546 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:42,079 back fifty years and including including he was arguing he was the one who helped 547 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,360 pushed the bill which said that you could not go bankrupt and get out of 548 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,280 your college Loantown. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, and the crime bill, 549 00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:52,480 Yeah yeah. I feel like on some of these issues, like immigration, 550 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,760 to me is because as you said, it's that that's been a problem 551 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,119 for decades and we can't seem to get you know, we'll get a a 552 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:01,800 little bit of action on it here and there, but I feel like the 553 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,199 ball, you know, it doesn't really get moved down the field much in 554 00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:07,960 either direction over the decades, and I feel like part of it is part 555 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,320 of what I feel is broken about our politics is there's money in solving problems, 556 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,280 but there's also money and not solving problems. Meaning, for example, 557 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,920 if immigration never gets solved in any meaningful way, both Democrats and Republicans can 558 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,840 continue to raise money off of the issue. So even if you don't solve 559 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,320 the problem, there's still money in it for you. I mean, our 560 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,159 two party political system, it's like, you know, it's like failing up. 561 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:37,960 You can fail at solving problems, but if you talk about solving them 562 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:42,119 or look like you're trying to solve them, that's good enough and people will 563 00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:45,760 give you money. Well, look at what happens with rov Wode. I 564 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,039 mean, it should have been codified by the Democrats years ago. It should 565 00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:53,119 have been codified under Obama, who said he wanted to do that when he 566 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:58,599 was a candidate, but then said he didn't want to spend his political capital 567 00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:01,360 on that. And it should have been codified the first two years of the 568 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:07,000 at the beginning of the Biden presidency. But much too much, as you 569 00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:09,159 were saying, there was so much money raised on oh, vote for us, 570 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,440 vote for us, so we could lose roe V. Wait, well 571 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,800 guess what, we did vote for you and we did lose roby what. 572 00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:19,400 Yeah. I said the same thing with the Deat ceiling when when we went 573 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,320 through that last round where and Mary and I can tell you, I was 574 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,440 very Jenny knows, I was very I was pessimistic, and I try to 575 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,280 be an optimist on the show. I really thought we might go over the 576 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,519 fiscal cliff. I really thought this might be it, and of course it 577 00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:36,599 wasn't, thank goodness. But I said the same thing you were saying about 578 00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:38,280 Roe v. Wade. When the Democrats had control, they should have finally 579 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,159 done away with the Deat ceiling. It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's totally ridiculous. 580 00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:46,440 Well, also, I think the president shouldn't have if I negotiated he 581 00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:50,800 should have just what is it the fourteenth Amendment? I can't remember. Not 582 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,559 that couldn't be the fourteen No it is, Yeah, that's that's in the 583 00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:55,480 fourteenth Amendment. Well, that would have been See, I disagree with you 584 00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:58,760 there. I think that would have been too Uh. That would have been 585 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,039 scary. We would have been an unchar did water there well, while though 586 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:07,079 all would have taken as some judge to put an injunction on him. I 587 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:08,440 mean, we don't even know how exactly it would have been invoked, how 588 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,199 it would have been implemented. You know, I think I think that's I 589 00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:15,760 think that would have been very dangerous. I think the Democrats blink too much. 590 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,519 I think, well, I think there's I do somewhat agree with you 591 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,360 on that point because I think, oh, I hear Jak Huger say it 592 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,400 all the time. You know, Uh, Republicans can be ruthless, but 593 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,840 Democrats tend to want to just play nice. And that's right, and I 594 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:39,679 agree with you know, the Republicans consider the fact that they won the election 595 00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:45,840 their mandate, and as we're well aware, they have no problem overreaching and 596 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:52,400 abusing power. But Democrats won't even use the power that they're given. Right, 597 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,400 Well, we didn't get a mandate. We'll have to wait till the 598 00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:59,199 second term and then things don't change in the second term. Well, it's 599 00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:01,119 really important that we win again so that maybe we can you know, the 600 00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:05,960 milk tooth. And I think the people. Yeah, people don't like that. 601 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,679 People like to see spine in their leaders. We need a mother in 602 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:14,079 the White House. You can take that however you want to. I remember 603 00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:16,599 after Rovie Wade was overturned and seeing Kamala Harris I think it was Dana Bash 604 00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:21,119 on CNN interviewing her, and yeah, she kind of had that that thing 605 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,679 that that you were just doing, where she's like, yeah, well you 606 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:28,280 know, what can you do? Uh, you gotta vote for more Democrats. 607 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,039 Yeah, and I listen, I'm earning as a Democrat. I do 608 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:35,119 want you to vote for more Democrats. But they're different. They're Democrats and 609 00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:38,960 then there are Democrats and the much as you were saying earlier, the corporates. 610 00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:44,239 Democrats today are what Republicans were when I was growing up. Mh. 611 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:49,119 Well, it's like I remember Paul Wellstone. He said, I'm from the 612 00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:53,639 democratic wing of the Democratic Party exactly exactly my point that I would I would 613 00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:57,800 see myself as a Paul will Stone. I'm curious, too, have you 614 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,880 been courted by any third parties who have said years ago I was years ago 615 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:09,280 the Green Party had asked me to, but not no. I feel I'm 616 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:15,159 nostalgic for the Democratic Party of my youth. I'm nostalgic historically for the Democratic 617 00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:22,880 Party of uh Franklin Roosevelt. I don't you know, I'm aware that third 618 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,360 party voices have been very important in the United States. Abolition came from the 619 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,440 Abolitionist Party, Women's suffrage came from the Women's Party, social Security came from 620 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:37,280 the Socialist Party. And I'm not pleased, nor should any American be pleased, 621 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:42,639 with the way Democratic and Republican parties have formed this unholy alliance, making 622 00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:46,800 it very difficult for third parties to have the significant voice. Having said that, 623 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,400 I also think that the soul of the Democratic and the Republican Party need 624 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,760 to be retrieved for the sake of this country. I think a lot of 625 00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:04,320 people understandably criticizing the corporate duopoly, which I certainly agree with, but let's 626 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,000 not be naive about third parties too, because the problem is with political parties 627 00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:13,559 period. Do you know what I'm saying, and any system can be corrupted. 628 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,519 Yeah, no, labels seems uh well, there's a lot of suspicions 629 00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:22,960 about what they're really if they approached you or probably not. No, No, 630 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:25,039 I don't think any I don't think they would want me in there. 631 00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:30,360 You know, they want a Democrat and a Republican. But from the corporate 632 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,559 duopolis, right, yeah, yes, the worldview, yeah, they certain 633 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,960 that world where it seems like they're different, but they're really not so much 634 00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:43,000 or certainly not when it comes to big oil or defense contractors. They all, 635 00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:45,199 you know, fall in line for the same for the same guys. 636 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,880 We have just a quick question in the in the chatwoman, then we know, 637 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,440 we know you gotta go. But Tom Blanchard is asking what do you 638 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,639 think about taxing business? One president raised taxes on business and a lot of 639 00:44:54,639 --> 00:45:00,239 them left the country. That's just nonsense, because when you look back at 640 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,559 the nineteen fifties and sixties and even seventies, when we have these very high 641 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:09,400 tax rates for these companies, they were here. Yeah, they were here. 642 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,559 So I think that that's the threat, Oh they'll leave, they'll leave. 643 00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:17,559 Well, look how many are leaving now. You know, the ones 644 00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:23,920 who are going to leave. They're leaving now. So I do not what 645 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:30,840 is it was supposed to be afraid of if they if we tax them more 646 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,400 and we have more money to take care of people than in that point, 647 00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:37,719 let them leave if they want to leave. But the evidence is not that 648 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,000 they would, and the evidence is that we should be afraid of how many 649 00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:43,480 of them are leaving right now because we are. We are actually making it 650 00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:46,239 easier for them in many cases because of these trade deals, to leave. 651 00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:50,760 Well, on that note, it is it is almost the top of the 652 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,039 hour. Mary Anne Williamson, thank you so much. It's wonderful to meet 653 00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,320 you. Thank you. I hope we can do this again in the future. 654 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,480 I assume you're spending a lot of time in our states. I am, 655 00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:04,039 and I hope that people will go to Maryanne twenty twenty four dot com 656 00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:06,400 and sign up so that I can let you know when I'm back. I 657 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,599 would I would be very grateful for that. Excellent, excellent, thank you. 658 00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:13,239 All Right, we're gonna I'm gonna play a song here and for the 659 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,079 for the crossover, and then uh oh, here we go, and then 660 00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:19,440 we'll let you scoot all right, Maryanne, thank you so much, Thank 661 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:20,079 you so much.