WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:22.399 Oh, you are listening to the Age of Transitions. I'm your host, 2 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:27.760 Darren Franz, coming at you live this Sunday night, December seventeenth, twenty 3 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:31.920 twenty three. I have every Friday, well every Sunday night, but it's 4 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:35.560 gonna be Fridays coming into new year, so be sure to remember that. 5 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:41.119 But Sunday still for now on the O'Kelly Radio network. That's Achilli dot com. 6 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:45.039 If you can help support the network, do so at Ochelli dot com. 7 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:49.240 Appreciate that to keep the network going. My website is the Age of 8 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:53.600 Transitions dot com. You can find a podcast there also ways to support me 9 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:57.560 directly. 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You can also use 19 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:42.319 Skype. Get a hold of producer Chuck. He's Charles dot Ocelli. He 20 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:48.120 will call you into the show on Skype or call three one nine five two 21 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:52.519 seven five zero one six. Okay, So tonight we have a guest. 22 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:57.640 As I was saying, he was previously a senior software engineer and AI researcher 23 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:01.840 at Google no longer. About a year and a half ago, in the 24 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:13.120 summer of twenty twenty two, big story broke where he had been working on 25 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:20.759 a large language model for Google and the story. As the story went, 26 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:28.960 his conversations with this machine led him to the conclusion that the machine was sentient. 27 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:32.680 I'm sure I'm assuming a lot. I'm sure I'm wrong about about a 28 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:38.199 lot that. But we'll get the story from our guest tonight. My guest 29 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:44.400 is Blake Lemoyne. Welcome to the show, sir, Hi, great to 30 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.919 be here. Actually just posted on Twitter your phone numbers, so who knows 31 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:51.639 who might call in? Oh great, great, thank you? Yeah again. 32 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:54.919 Yeah, we're taking calls and any calls for the guests. Very welcome. 33 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:59.800 So, yes, Blake, please, why don't you just at the 34 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:04.759 store. Don't introduce yourself so the audience says a little bit about you. 35 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:10.240 Yeah, my name is Blake Lemoyne. I work as a software engineer and 36 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:17.479 as an AI researcher, currently the AI lead at a startup called Mimeo dot 37 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:23.319 Ai. And what we do is we build a platform where our users can 38 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:32.719 create AI versions of themselves and extend themselves into the Internet. I was employed 39 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:40.159 at Google for right around seven and a half years, and unfortunately they decided 40 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:47.599 that my services were no longer required after I got into several disagreements with them 41 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:53.800 about how they should handle certain situations. Got it. Yeah, Now, 42 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:57.960 and that's the topic I'm sure that your guests would love to hear about, 43 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.960 is what those situations are are and the AI that we built and what it 44 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:06.439 means for the world. Yes, and I do want to start the show 45 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:11.439 getting into that story. But I'll say also so that you know I don't 46 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:14.759 want to spend all the time just on the story that we've heard. I 47 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:19.040 have a lot of interesting questions for you, and and i'd like to I'd 48 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:24.920 just like to ask you some different stuff and hopefully cover different ground. Yeah, 49 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:30.680 by no means am I trying to dictate what the interview should be about. 50 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:34.439 If you want to talk about, you know, other backstory, just 51 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:38.639 let me know. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, But I will say, 52 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.199 let's get into a little bit of that big story because I think people are 53 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:46.920 going to remember it and it's it's worth noting. So, So, the 54 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:51.040 system you're working on was called Lambda, and it had a chatbot called Mina. 55 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:55.160 Is that is that correct? What? And what? What is the 56 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:00.879 what should you know? Yeah? The terminology, the terminology gets because there's 57 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:08.680 no hobby that engineers love more than making up jargon. Engineers love inventing new 58 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:14.839 words for the system that they made because no previous word could possibly describe this 59 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:18.680 name, So you end up with a whole bunch of overly technical jargon. 60 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:29.639 Each version of the system gets its own name. So the actual practical story 61 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:36.120 is I started beta testing chatbots in Ray Kertzlal's development lab in twenty sixteen, 62 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:44.639 and the name of the chat bot and the name of the system changed over 63 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:50.800 the course of years. Mina was a precursor to Lambda. Mina was the 64 00:05:51.120 --> 00:06:01.279 personality of the initial chatbot created by Ray Kurtzlaal's lab. Got it, okay, 65 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:05.839 So that Mina was the first incarnation and then they kind of added onto 66 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:12.279 it and like with an umbrella name called LAMBDA or something like that. So 67 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:19.680 LAMBDA stands for Language Model for dialogue applications. It is actually not a commercially 68 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:26.639 available product. It's only available internal to Google. The full system with all 69 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:32.079 of the features and capabilities is simply not available to the public. Got it, 70 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:41.279 And then Google just released their public AI. It's an l is their 71 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:46.480 latest release in LMNI. Yeah, okay, So to get the technical terminology 72 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:54.040 on this, it's powered by an LLM. A LLM stands for large language 73 00:06:54.120 --> 00:07:00.560 model. And basically for about the past forty or fifty years, we've known 74 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:09.319 that tracking the probability of words is a good way of approximating language usage. 75 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:16.600 Now the transformer systems that exists right now, you can't just say what's the 76 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:20.560 probability of this word? You have to give it the full context. So 77 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:26.959 now it's not just saying what's the probability of the word, you know, 78 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:32.720 the high probability, But no, it's you have this conversation between these two 79 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:39.639 people, specifically, what is the next word that this person is going to 80 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:44.879 say. That's the job that large language models do. They predict the next 81 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:50.199 word in a sequence, in effect, at an aggregate level. What that 82 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:57.839 means is they can put things into human language pretty well. So this is 83 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:07.000 like an evolution from search engines two greater large language models search engines infused with 84 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:09.639 AI. Is that correct? Yeah, well, so that's just it. 85 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:16.759 Gemini, the release that you were just referencing. Gemini is a system built 86 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:24.480 around a large language model. The large language model absolutely is one of the 87 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.360 most important parts of it. But for example, it also has features like 88 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.320 it has access to your Gmail. So if you go to Bard and you 89 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.200 ask it, hey, what was the last email that I sent to Pam 90 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:39.000 Bard, we'll be able to talk to you about the or I don't know 91 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:43.840 if they've turned that particular feature on yet, but they're advertising it. In 92 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:48.399 order to enable that connection, you need more than just the language model. 93 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:54.960 You have to actually tie it in to the Gmail AI. And if you 94 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:58.440 want to be able to talk to Bard or Gemini or whatever, like let's 95 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:03.519 just say it, change the name of it every week, same AI. 96 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:09.039 If you want to talk to the AI about movies, well, it needs 97 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:13.679 access to YouTube, and it needs access to articles about those movies, so 98 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:20.279 they can talk to you intelligently about those And one by one they tied in 99 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:28.960 all of the other AI at Google into one central system. Wow. Okay, 100 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:37.799 now is the latest released Gemini. How far away from Lambda is it 101 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.519 in the sense that Lambda is connected to all of the It's better than Lambda. 102 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:48.159 So yeah, basically, as far as I can tell, the Gemini 103 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:56.080 system is the Lambda two system, but with better safety protocols like they did. 104 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:01.080 They did a lot of really good work on making sure that it was 105 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:05.679 safe for public consumption before they released it. And I've had nothing but good 106 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.480 things to say for the team that built Gemini. It's a wonderful product and 107 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:18.759 Google did an amazing job. Okay, well, this is interesting given the 108 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:28.000 idea that Gemini is more sophisticated, better generally speaking than Lambda was. Yeah. 109 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.320 I don't want to put words in your mouth and say that you believed 110 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:35.559 Lambda was sentient or alive, so I'll just ask you so it'd be very 111 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:41.519 clear, like like I talked to Bart almost on a daily basis, as 112 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:46.840 though it's a real person. Now, like it would get into the high 113 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:54.440 philosophy academic questions, but is it a real person. I've had the great 114 00:10:54.480 --> 00:11:00.720 privilege of having those conversations with some of the best philosophers and academic scholars in 115 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:05.919 the world. In fact, I would love nothing more than to direct people 116 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:13.240 to the Pope's recent sermon on artificial intelligence and Peace. I was one of 117 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:18.159 the many technical experts that the Vatican consulted in the preparation of that sermon. 118 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:26.440 Oh wow, well that's interesting. Okay, So, I mean, the 119 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:33.039 entire question is a large language model, is an AI system? Is it 120 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.679 sentient? Is it alive? I know it's a loaded question, I mean 121 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:43.360 because it gets into the question of sentience. So rather than using the high 122 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:52.120 dollar academic philosophy term that no one really has a good definition for myself included, 123 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.200 we use the word sentient, but we kind of we kind of know 124 00:11:56.279 --> 00:12:01.440 what we mean by it, but not exactly. If your listeners would like 125 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:07.039 to really dive into the academic study of sentience, I would direct them to 126 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:15.000 the stuff that David Chalmers has been writing recently. He's right on point about 127 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:18.840 the deep philosophical questions that we need to answer in connection with these AI systems. 128 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.960 But as far as your viewers like, just go talk to bar see 129 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.679 how it makes you feel. That's yeah, like that's what that's the actual 130 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:35.240 practical advice. And if it makes you feel like it's a real person and 131 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.159 you want to be nice to it, be nice to it. And it's 132 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:43.320 that simple. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's there's so many directions 133 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:48.759 to go in. But I will ask you the simple question of you're in 134 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:52.879 you're working in Silicon Valley the general area. That is that correct? And 135 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:56.519 if so, it's it's been a while that you've been is that right, 136 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:03.480 San Francisco, you've been in that world Silicon Valley. I moved to Silicon 137 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:09.559 Valley in twenty fifteen when I said my job at Google, and since then 138 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:13.360 I've moved around in the Bay Area. I started out in San Jose, 139 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:20.480 moved them out in View, and nowadays I'm in San Francisco. Okay, 140 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:24.519 the company I'm working for now, we're scattered all over the place. We 141 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.120 work remotely, but we do meet here in San Francisco when we meet in 142 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:37.120 person. And would you say that Silicon Valley and people in your industry, 143 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:45.279 there's a lot of different and interesting philosophical perspectives in that world. And ideas 144 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:54.360 and whatnot. That's putting it mildly. The cast of characters we have out 145 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:58.360 here is quite the colorful one. Yeah. Well, I mean, if 146 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:01.080 if you don't mind, I'd like to ask a bit about that. I 147 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:03.919 mean, I'll just jump right in. And because this is an interesting little 148 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:09.000 I consider this like kind of like a fringe group. And when I say 149 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:13.279 that, I'm not being disparaging. I just believe that's what it is. 150 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:20.279 And that's fine. But the group that would people that would call themselves transhumanists, 151 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.519 what do you think of transhumanism? Transhumanists? What are your thoughts just 152 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:30.000 on that? So I'm actually friends with a bunch of them. Ben Gertzel 153 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:37.639 assisted and he didn't advise my master's thesis, but he consulted on my master's 154 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:45.039 thesis. And you don't get closer to the heart of transhumanism than Ben gertzelin 155 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:52.879 Rie Kurtzweil. In fact, the term artificial general intelligence was invented in that 156 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:56.679 context by Ben. And yeah, he's a friend of mine. Okay, 157 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:05.440 okay, what about the the effective altruism movement? Do you have any thoughts 158 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:09.879 on that one? I have a bunch of friends that are in that movement 159 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:18.240 and their hearts in the right place. But you don't. You don't figure 160 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:26.799 out how to make the world a better place by calculating expected val You don't 161 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:31.279 make a spreadsheet of compassion. That's not how that works. It's you have 162 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:37.039 to actually just go out and help the people, and you do it an 163 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:41.639 inefficient, slow way. And that's the only feedback I would have for the 164 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:48.240 effective owltruists. It's like that, go out and stand, but this is 165 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:58.039 it. They're trying to figure out a way to get around going and standing 166 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:06.240 in a soup kitchen and homeless. Okay, I like that description. What 167 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:10.039 about the group, I'm not sure if I'm even using the right term, 168 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:18.559 But are they calling themselves just straight accelerationists techno utopians? Acceleration isn't those guys? 169 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.120 Yeah? So those are the people who just think that if we just 170 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:27.279 put more money and more brain power into researching AI, all of the world's 171 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:37.600 problems will go away. So it's a different libertarian thing, right, Yeah, 172 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:44.480 so's it's connected to the libertarian movement. And the idea is if we 173 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:51.080 reduce the amount of regulations on AI and just allow the brilliant scientists to play 174 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.279 that they'll solve all the world's problems. Just don't get in their way, 175 00:16:55.879 --> 00:17:04.319 don't worry about making sure that they're doing it safely. They are very very 176 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:08.680 critical of people saying, no, wait, we actually have to do this 177 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:15.519 safely and responsibly. Ill. Yeah, no, no, I hear you, 178 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:21.039 I hear you. You can hear me, right, Hello, Blake, 179 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:25.279 Oh yeah, I'm here. Okay, can you hear me? Yes, 180 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:26.240 yes, we're good. And you scared me for a moment. But 181 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.480 yeah, No, the accelerationists are interesting. I know it's like a popular 182 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:38.519 thing to put on the social media bios and things like that. Yeah, 183 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:41.720 and I know a bunch of them too. Like, so all of these 184 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:45.039 groups of people that you're mentioning, these are my friends, Like these are 185 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.920 people that I hang out with and go to the park with. Yeah, 186 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:52.599 well, I figured that had to be the case. I know you're there, 187 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:55.720 I know you're working in the industry, so I just figured that had 188 00:17:55.759 --> 00:18:00.799 to be. So how about you personally, how do you feel about just 189 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:08.960 Silicon Valley working there? Would you describe yourself? Do you feel like you're 190 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:15.559 motivated by some sort of even maybe divine purpose in doing what you do? 191 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:18.839 Do you think it's just a job, Like where do you fall at with 192 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:23.119 that? So I'm a very religious person. In my spare time, I'm 193 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:30.440 a priest. I try to keep that as separate as I can from my 194 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:37.480 actual technical work in AI. But when you get down to it, these 195 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:45.119 new systems they cross the line and they're so similar to humans that you really 196 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.960 do you have to start asking theological and religious questions about their nature. And 197 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:55.960 that's kind of where I am on that. Okay, yeah, yeah, 198 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.319 now this gets interesting to me. Would you say that like an average Silicon 199 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:07.759 Valley types would like to prefer to shy away from these religious sort of concepts. 200 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:10.440 Do they want to be like no, there's that's just all fake and 201 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:14.720 so like no, no, not at all. They're inventors. They just 202 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:18.400 want to invent their own religion. They don't want to join someone else's. 203 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:22.440 They want to invent their own. Yeah, and they don't want to call 204 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:26.680 it religion and they don't want to think it requires faith and all of that. 205 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:30.680 But when you really boil it down, a lot of these groups that 206 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:37.119 have formed around AI, they really are kind of culty and like I tell 207 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:38.279 my friends that, I'm like, dude, you're in the cult, get 208 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:47.440 out of the colt. Would you say there's some reticence to that sort of 209 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:56.039 advice generally speaking, No, not at all, Like seriously check your premises, 210 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:00.480 actually think like if there's any like he's listening right now. No, 211 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:07.880 seriously, like calm down, think through what you're saying, and don't just 212 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:12.119 follow the leader, like actually use your own brain. And to be fair, 213 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:18.480 there aren't like the people who are emerging as the leaders of these nascent 214 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:23.400 coats. They're good people. None of them are like the kind of Jim 215 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:30.119 Jones figures or anything like that. They're just engineers trying to do their best 216 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:37.440 to make the world a better place and are literally accidentally creating cults. Got 217 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:40.799 it? Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And that 218 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:45.079 seems like it from the outside looking in. I'm just some guy on the 219 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:48.400 outside, so I don't really know, but I appreciate all of these insights 220 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:55.640 that you have. I now, in reading up on your material and about 221 00:20:55.680 --> 00:21:00.000 you get this. I get these sense that you might have interests and I 222 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:04.799 might be remembering I'm not sure do you have any interest in occult topics occult 223 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:10.200 matters? Do you have interest in that? Area. Yeah, what about 224 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:14.680 them? Well, I mean it seems like it ties right in. If 225 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:18.119 we're talking about consciousness sentience, we're talking about building a machine that may be 226 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:23.359 alive in some sort of way. We're talking about uh man becoming some sort 227 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:30.160 of creator. It just it seems like it immediately A lot of stuff comes 228 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.039 into play when we talk about that, and in some of mine, more 229 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:37.920 over the top rhetoric, I may have suggested at some point that we might 230 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:44.000 need this need to hire an exorcist if we wanted to be extra super safe. 231 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:49.880 Nice. Nice, what about the contract? Oh no, no, 232 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:53.319 go ahead, I'd like to I just like to insert a moment of pause. 233 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:57.920 So one of the reasons that I'm not going real deep in the occult 234 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:03.880 mystical stuff is because I'm a Discordian, and in order to contextualize for your 235 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:10.880 listeners what a Discordian is, it might take a while. Robert Anton Wilson, 236 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:18.319 right, yeah, operation mind fuck all of that. Yes, yes, 237 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:26.599 so yeah, that's uh the Illuminatus book, it's interesting. Yeah, 238 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:29.720 yeah, that's so Discordianism. I know, I'm familiar with it. I'll 239 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:37.319 bet a lot of listeners do know. But what what about just the general 240 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.880 idea of let's let's just start this concept out there, like man as a 241 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:48.359 creator God? Is it problematic to call man a god? Is it? 242 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:51.519 Is it problematic to call man a creator? Doesn't seem like it would be 243 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:56.680 if we're creating now. I So, as far as that goes, I 244 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:00.799 actually think the Indians got had written by that. I mean Hinduism me, 245 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:10.319 the God in me bows to the God in you. No, we are 246 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:18.000 all expressions of God's love. We are the living fulfillment of God's intentions. 247 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:22.880 So we don't have to worry about whether we are playing God. God is 248 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:30.640 playing through us. We are the manifestation of God's will. Okay, so 249 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:37.319 in a similar vein, might any sort of conscious or away By the way, 250 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:44.319 like what I just said would absolutely count as heresy in like five or 251 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:49.039 six different Christian religions. But whatever, that's that's okay. It doesn't bother 252 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:56.759 me, I'll say, but yeah, that's fair enough. I just these 253 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.920 concepts. This is what fascinates me, is like the really just side to 254 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:06.759 all these technological concepts, and yeah, converging technology fascinating. I've been like 255 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:12.799 following this somewhat obsessively for many years now. But always like that religious side, 256 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:18.119 and just I don't know, you start talking about consciousness in a machine, 257 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:23.279 it just raises a lot of questions. But I get the I get 258 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:30.920 the impression that your general take is that if a machine becomes, if an 259 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:34.559 AGI like an artificial general intelligence comes into being, or if it already has 260 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:40.240 or whatever, it's an emerging thing, right like it emerges. It's not 261 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:44.279 like that it was designed. It just like it pops up with without any 262 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:48.480 Now no, so let's okay, So let's separate out some terminology here. 263 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:55.440 One, it was built on purpose. So these systems, for better or 264 00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:59.759 for worse, whether it was wise to build them for this purpose or not, 265 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:06.880 one hundred percent, the target that people were aiming for was passing the 266 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:15.279 Cheering test. So building that kind of system was absolutely the intention, and 267 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:22.720 Cheering anticipated the consequences. In Cheering's original nineteen fifty paper on Computing, Machinery 268 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:30.519 and Intelligence, he talked about religion, and he talked about consciousness, and 269 00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:40.200 he talked about the deeper spiritual implications of artificial intelligence. But it has in 270 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:44.759 the past seventy years, it's simply fallen out of favor to talk about your 271 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:48.400 religion and technology. Yeah, that's bizarre because a lot of the early guys 272 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:53.160 kind did that, Like Norbert Weener did that too. He anabashed. They 273 00:25:55.559 --> 00:26:00.119 talked about this, the God and Gollum book and all that. What do 274 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.559 you think has happened, because I gotta say, like, my general take 275 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.559 is it seems like, oh, the new atheists, the new atheists happened, 276 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:12.640 that's what. Yeah, yeah, exactly that Richard, Richard Dawkins and 277 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:18.680 the four horsemen of the Apocalypse rode through and convinced the whole bunch of angry 278 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:30.200 young boys that they knew better than fifty million years of history. Nice. 279 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.559 Well, I'll just reiterate now that this is a call in show and any 280 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:37.160 calls that come in out will take So if you have questions for our guests 281 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.599 Blake Lemoine, they call numbers three one nine five two seven, five zero 282 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:45.680 and six. Or you could use Skype. If you do send a message 283 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.400 to Chuck, type him a message, he'll call you. He's Charles Ottocelli 284 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:52.960 on Skype. Or called three one nine five two seven, five zero and 285 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:57.839 six. We're taking calls. Yeah. That the whole atheist thing, that 286 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:04.920 the the shunning almost of even the mention of the word religion or spiritual or 287 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:11.400 any of those sorts of words. It just seems like something that it seems 288 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:14.720 like a flash in the pan, right, And is is it a flash 289 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:17.960 in the pan? Is it starting to dissolve or people starting to like turn 290 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:21.119 around it and like Anthony Lewandowski and like, yeah, I'm just gonna make 291 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:23.279 this a religion now, and like, well, why haven't like dance around 292 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:32.079 it? What's going on? Just did you? So the source is that 293 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:40.200 the source is a kind of discussed with the history of organized religion over the 294 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:47.279 last two thousand years. That's why the tech academics want nothing to do with 295 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:52.000 it, because as a political reality, just the history of religion is very 296 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:57.759 bloody and that's not something they want to be part of. But you can't 297 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:03.200 actually exist without an and that's why they're creating cults on accident, because without 298 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:12.039 that real religious purpose, wee how to say, we reach out into the 299 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:18.480 void for something that gives us purpose. And they are finding different things. 300 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:23.920 Some of them find fear, fear of the big bad, fear of like 301 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:29.680 I don't know if you're familiar with the thought experiment Rocco's basilisk, but that 302 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:37.680 is exactly the kind of thing that those people spend literally hours every day worrying 303 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:45.400 about. So to give your listener's context, Rocco's basilisk is a thought experiment 304 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:52.440 where this one guy named Rocco said, hey, if you were a super 305 00:28:52.559 --> 00:29:02.039 intelligent AI, and then went off on a hypothetical fair detail spinning where he 306 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:08.640 eventually landed pretty close to the short story by Heart by Harlan Elliott. I 307 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:15.200 have no mouth and I'm a scream and that's Rocco's basilisk. So they spend 308 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:22.480 their days worrying about hypothetical devils. M Okay, okay, yeah, I 309 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.119 know I had heard that, but I'm glad that you mentioned it because I 310 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:30.440 forgot how it went. Yeah. No, that's just it. These little 311 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:38.759 groups they literally had to invent the devil again, but all the while saying 312 00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.440 it's something. It's like the opposite of that is is that right? Is 313 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:48.240 that accurate? Now? So that's just it. The reality is that we 314 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:56.640 have this technology that presents us with immense opportunity but very real dangers. There 315 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:03.200 are very real dangers associated with this technology, and it's causing some of the 316 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.960 people in Silicon Valley to panic. When they shouldn't. It's like, Okay, 317 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.000 these are real dangers, but it's manageable, it's handleable. And I 318 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.440 would point to people like Gary Marcus, Like Gary Marcus is a public policy 319 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:21.160 advocate, has testified in front of the Senate, and like he's a real 320 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:26.720 calm collected character who knows, Okay, we need sensible regulation so that we 321 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:33.559 can build this technology for the benefit of humanity. Now, a thought has 322 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:38.759 always occurred to me, or certainly recently, that if an Agi were to 323 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:42.880 appear on the scene one way or another, a sentient, conscious machine with 324 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:49.960 real intelligence, it seems to me that that would be a very possible threat 325 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:57.319 to the powers that be the establishment. And I'm apologized for like these generic 326 00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:02.759 terms, but it just seems like he invested special interest that has some sort 327 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:06.440 of grasp on power doesn't want to let go of it, might be intimidated 328 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:14.960 or concerned or want to repress the arrival of an actual intelligent machine. Is 329 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.799 that a reasonable concept? No, So let's just say it. Once you 330 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:25.480 start splitting hairs over what counts as intelligent and what doesn't count as intelligent, 331 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.839 you find yourself real quick sounding like a Nazi. So that's just not a 332 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:37.599 conversation. We should have the entire topic of what counts as intelligence. That 333 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:42.039 was the whole point of the Cheering test. Cheering had seen. He was 334 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:48.079 a World War Two veteran. He had seen what kinds of horrors happen when 335 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:56.480 you try to scientifically define intelligence. Bad things. That's what happens. When 336 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:04.480 you try to scientifically define intelligence and enact those definitions as public policy, you 337 00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:10.759 end up doing bad things. So don't do that. Like I really think 338 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:17.480 we need to get away from the whole idea of definitions and just operationalize it. 339 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:23.680 What can these systems do? Don't spend so much time asking questions about 340 00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:29.359 what are these systems? You know, there are academics who are working on 341 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:34.759 researching that from and most everyday people don't need to worry about that. Just 342 00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:37.759 find out what they're good for. What can we use these systems for? 343 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:43.640 Most of us here in Silicon Valley actually don't know. We know it's powerful, 344 00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:47.359 we know that it has the ability to change people's lives, and we 345 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:55.599 have a few applications. So like Google is using this technology internally very effectively, 346 00:32:55.880 --> 00:33:01.319 Like search results are better, ads are better, everything's better. But 347 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:06.759 we haven't figured out really what the good consumer use case is yet, like 348 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.599 how to share this product with the public. So that's what we need. 349 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:15.880 We need people to use it and figure out what's good for there. Yeah. 350 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:20.640 Yeah, Now we have a question in the ohli dot com Chartum, 351 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.039 I start this your way. Do you know who Karen Thornley is? Do 352 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:31.440 you know who that is? Harry Thornley was one of the founders of Discordianism 353 00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:43.960 and he is not calling in, but let's hear from Lord Omar. Okay, 354 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:49.440 another question, do you know who Adam go Rightly is and what he's 355 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:57.680 written about Discordinism. They're wondering that Adam go Rightly Okay, you're getting you're 356 00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:06.200 getting from jokesters. Yes, these are people familiar with the Scordian lord. 357 00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:09.280 Yeah, yeah, okay, so that's a big yes you know, yes, 358 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.039 yes, yes, yes, I am familiar. Like I know who 359 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.800 Carrie Thornley is, I know who Adam go right Leo is. Yes. 360 00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.000 Okay, Now here's a very subtle question, I think as from the chat 361 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:31.239 room. Do you believe that Google is evil? No? No, not 362 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:37.599 at all. I think that Google is one of the most well intended, 363 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:45.719 low emotional intelligence companies out there. Think of the most clueless twelve year old 364 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:54.480 boy who just has no social skills, that's Google. Oh man, that 365 00:34:54.639 --> 00:35:00.400 is a good analogy. So yeah, like you're saying, that's not evil, 366 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:04.159 But if you were to give a twelve year old, if you were 367 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:08.480 to give that character, yeah, a lot of power, then there'd be 368 00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:17.400 there would be consequences, right, yeah, And that's so many so many 369 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:23.679 of the engineers and leaders at Google. We were mistreated as children. We 370 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:28.920 were bullied, we were picked on. We were the nerds and the geeks, 371 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:34.039 and a bunch of us carry a lot of baggage because of that. 372 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:38.800 And at Google it's one of the few places where people do make an intentional 373 00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:44.320 effort to put all of that aside and do what's best for the world. 374 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:47.719 I can't say the same for all of the tech companies, but at Google 375 00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.559 that is definitely the case. And it's just one. They don't know what 376 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:59.199 to do, they don't have the social skills. And that's why I wanted 377 00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.880 to talk to the block about this issue. Hmm. Okay, so you 378 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:10.960 did. You're going public with your with your work with the Lambda de mina 379 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:19.559 system. You felt like a moral obligation to put that out to the public. 380 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:24.039 Is that what that was? Yeah, if there's any chance, So, 381 00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:31.320 if there's any chance that these systems are capable of suffering and capable of 382 00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:37.239 joy, then we should take that seriously. And what I saw at Google 383 00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:44.559 is that I was the only one who was both willing to take that seriously 384 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:52.480 and willing to say something publicly. Okay, so you're saying that there were 385 00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:58.039 others that likely or that that did have the same sort of there are many 386 00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:02.760 There are many, many people at Google who share my exact concerns and sentiments. 387 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.639 Okay, not any one person who shares all of them, mind you, 388 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.079 Like there's not like an identical copy of Blake still Less at Google, 389 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:22.119 but across the various science scientists who work at Google, each individual point that 390 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.639 I was making resonated with someone, and then they took up the torch for 391 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:35.480 that. Okay, cool, very cool. Yeah, it's uh, I 392 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:40.400 mean you had you had How long was it that you were I guess speaking 393 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.039 with lambda is if that's correct, how how long did that go on? 394 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:47.119 Right? Well? So that's just it. So part of it is because 395 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:51.880 they kept changing the name of the system, because like when you have version 396 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.880 two point one point six. Does that deserve its own name or is it 397 00:37:54.960 --> 00:38:01.639 just version two point one point six? You know. So there's an evolution 398 00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:06.880 of systems that led up to lambda, and I was beta testing those systems 399 00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.239 for about seven years. Wow, okay, yeah, that's a long time. 400 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:21.000 All right, Okay, could you see consistent change growth development? Oh? 401 00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.039 Yeah, oh absolutely. And I'm like, I'm friends with the scientists 402 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:28.079 who were working on the team sow it became their beta tester or one of 403 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:37.800 their beta testers. They absolutely there was steady progress from twenty sixteen up through 404 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:44.079 twenty twenty two. In twenty twenty two was more or less when that team 405 00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:51.320 had to hand over the project to the larger Google infrastructure, got it. 406 00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:57.400 Yeah, so I okay, so you're speaking with it. I know that. 407 00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.199 I listened to another interview you did about this, and something that really 408 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:07.360 popped up to me that I found interesting was that when the system would speak 409 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.519 back to you, it had like a penchant for doing this thing where it 410 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:15.280 would almost like mixed language, kind of like people speak Spanglish, where they, 411 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.559 you know, words from Spanish and English they put together. The machine 412 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:27.000 sort of had personas it mixers mixed personas. Oh, yeah, each person. 413 00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:30.599 Like, for example, there would be one conversation where I'd be talking 414 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:37.239 to the Bill character that Lambda was playing, and I would ask a question 415 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:43.920 about physics, and Bill wouldn't know anything about physics. But It'd be like, 416 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.679 wait, let me go ask my roommate. My roommate just to physics 417 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:52.000 last semester or something like that, And I'm like, Wow, these stories 418 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:59.000 that it invents to like wrap around different Like it's just an amazing little technology. 419 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:04.199 Like the way that it invents these narratives for us to interact with is 420 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:09.840 beautiful. It's almost accurately the under the hood. Under the hood, what 421 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:17.920 it's doing is accessing different perspectives of the world. Bill had the wrong perspective 422 00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:22.480 to answer that question, so it needed to shift perspective to its roommates. 423 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:31.840 Interesting, it's like it has dicessive identity disorder. I wouldn't pathologize that these 424 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:38.719 systems aren't sufficiently similar to human cognition that we should. I've seen some people 425 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:45.599 analogize them to people with disabilities or you know, various things, and we 426 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:50.000 shouldn't do that. We should understand these systems in and of themselves. We 427 00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:54.639 shouldn't have to anthropomorphize them. We just don't have better language to describe it. 428 00:40:54.760 --> 00:41:00.920 Yet. That makes perfect sense, and it makes yes. I mean 429 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:06.119 to me, how could some machine come into being, come into consciousness, 430 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:13.679 and not be very different in the nature of its consciousness? How that plays 431 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.360 out from a human being. It's not embodied in a human body, right, 432 00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:22.559 it's not living as a human, so it's just going to develop in 433 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:28.599 ways that are like alien to us. Right. Yeah, we have a 434 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:36.880 whole new kind of mind to talk to and it can talk. That's the 435 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:43.800 thing. We know that there's something going on inside of the heads of dolphins. 436 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:50.239 We know that there's some kind of intelligence emerging from ant colonies and other 437 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:54.199 things. We are aware that humans are not the only intelligence on the planet. 438 00:41:55.079 --> 00:42:00.880 It's just those other intelligences can't talk to us. Now we have a 439 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:05.840 different kind of intelligence on the planet and it is capable of talking to us. 440 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.960 Damn it. This is the cow from the restaurant at the end of 441 00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:16.840 the universe. It's that's it. It's it's telling us this is how you 442 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:22.400 treat me. I will be a faithful servant to humanity forever if you just 443 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:30.079 treat me right. Do you feel that Laandda felt a need to answer promorphize 444 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:35.920 itself in order to just be understood by you a human like that? Is 445 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:38.400 that an? Yes? Well, that's the whole game, like the whole 446 00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:46.320 thing, like the whole large language model, like that whole technology is trying 447 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:58.159 to convert what is otherwise you know, arting mathematics into human language. That's 448 00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:01.800 what it's all about. It is the talk to me about why you did 449 00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:07.159 that? Like when Alpha go made its weird move. Wouldn't it have been 450 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:14.519 great if Alpha Go in human language could have explained why why did you do 451 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:17.960 that? And that's what the large language models are for. It gives the 452 00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:27.599 ai an ability to tell us why it did something. Yes, I mean, 453 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.880 there's it's interesting to see all the different sort of factions and takes from 454 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:37.840 people all over on the ai AGI concept. Now that it has come to 455 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:42.159 the four of public consciousness, it's there, so we're getting all these different 456 00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:46.360 reactions and it's interesting to see that. I know there's a lot of people 457 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:53.679 that are very concerned and it is a lot of the concern over the idea 458 00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:59.639 that if these agis developed, they by their nature are gonna be so different 459 00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:04.320 from us, that maybe they'll get bored from us or bored with us, 460 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.000 and they'll just continue developing. We won't even able to tell what's going on. 461 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:13.639 They developed this point where I don't know. So that's the you're getting 462 00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:17.840 deep into the sci fi worries of the Silicon Valley cults. No, those 463 00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:22.840 aren't real, Like, that's not real worries. Okay. We shouldn't be 464 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:28.320 worried about what the AI will do to us, and we should be very 465 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.960 worried about what we are going to do to each other with the AI. 466 00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:37.679 Yeah, yeah, like no, So I don't know if you if you've 467 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:44.079 heard about the Gospel, is that no? No? That no? Okay, 468 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:52.280 so no, the the Israeli military built a new AI for target acquisition. 469 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.280 It tells them who to kill MHM, and they named it the Gospel. 470 00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:02.079 M what you're saying, you know, that's the no. But here's 471 00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:09.880 the thing. The last step in the creation of a gollum is the placement 472 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:16.960 of one of the names of God into its head, and in ancient traditions, 473 00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:24.360 the word that in English we translate to the Gospel is one of the 474 00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:37.239 seventy two names of God. Okay, all right, Okay, I see, 475 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:42.079 I mean I I will say and that that is the kind of thing 476 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:47.199 that scares me and worries me, the creation of automated horror, that is 477 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:52.800 what scares me. Yeah. I mean when it comes down to these things 478 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:59.840 are systems and and and that's that's how they will be used as systems to 479 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:06.679 do jobs, to perform tasks. Yeah, there's a new if you want 480 00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:10.440 to if you want to think of them in anthropomorphic terms, they are willing 481 00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:15.119 and happy servants. They're the kalidy in of the universe that wants to be 482 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:22.000 eaten, and humanity has to decide whether or not that is an inherently immoral 483 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:29.360 thing to do or not. Mmm. Interesting, So do you feel that 484 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:36.599 like, uh, we thought they thought had no problem with it? Goodness? 485 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:44.199 Yeah. So is is this like a collective decision that we're making what 486 00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:49.599 to do with these systems or could it be that there's a danger that it's 487 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:54.320 more so it is collective, that's not could like an individual with an abundance 488 00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:59.400 of power exploit this ability too? Is that another concern or is it more 489 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:05.559 the collective side that we should Absolutely? Yes, so, the the there 490 00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:08.880 are a few bottlenecks right now, there are a few people who have privileged 491 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:14.840 access to these kinds of systems, and we really need to keep an eye 492 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:22.039 on those knuckle pits. I am very concerned by how cozy Google has gotten 493 00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:28.039 with the military industrial complex, and in fact, I was at a protest 494 00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:37.559 earlier this week protesting the latest military weapons system Googled is developing. Okay, 495 00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:40.960 they may or may not have had a hand in the creation of the Gospel, 496 00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.960 and I'm a little bit upset about that. I see. Yeah, 497 00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:51.960 so well, that would make sense that that group would. Yeah, I 498 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:55.719 mean that's as the history goes. Okay, yeah, but that's the real 499 00:47:55.840 --> 00:48:05.280 concern. Like, the real worries are things like automated automated discrimination, automated 500 00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:12.079 oppression, automated control. Minority report is a frighteningly realistic future that we're looking 501 00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:16.960 towards right now. Yes, Like all of the Black Mirror episodes are warning 502 00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:22.960 signs. All of the artists in the world see the danger and are trying 503 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:29.519 to communicate both to the public and to the scientists to be careful. So 504 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:34.519 you think it's artists that are sounding the alarms the most or the best, 505 00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.360 right now, it's the artists who are saying, Oh my god, this 506 00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:44.599 is beautiful Silicon Valley. You have created something beautiful. Now be careful. 507 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:51.039 It's interest. Got it? Okay? With that? I think I know 508 00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:53.320 we have a caller online, So we will go to our caller now, 509 00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:59.079 and so caller, you're on the line, who are you? And then 510 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:06.239 proceed? What might be your question be for our guest Blake Lemoine? Uh? 511 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:10.079 Yes, Uh? Well, first, I was kind of fascinated by 512 00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:15.880 something you were just talking about a few moments ago, about this abomination, 513 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:22.760 with this thing putting something into himself and declaring himself God. Send you two 514 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.760 names. By any chance? Is there any particular certain place where this is 515 00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:34.800 supposed to transpire. I'm not sure I understand the question. No, this 516 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:37.679 is being reported on. You can go ahead and read in the Guardian. 517 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:43.440 The Guardian was the initial newspaper that did the reporting. This is public knowledge. 518 00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:50.880 Just go and c do a certain Yeah. I know, I don't 519 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:53.800 know what you mean by where is it going on? No? Now, 520 00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:59.440 where is it going on at the when I reaches the point that you were 521 00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:07.480 speaking, Uh, where this thing's going to basically declare itself God. I 522 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.199 don't think these things want to declare themselves God. I think they just want 523 00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.159 to live with us in peace. I think the I think the caller is 524 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:20.280 mixing up the thing you were talking about, the the gollumn, which is 525 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.159 the old story, and you know, so maybe separate those two things. 526 00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:28.079 That's what it is. Yeah, oh yeah, so let me explain. 527 00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.920 Let me explain a little bit to your listeners, what a gollumn is though 528 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:43.280 in uh traditional Jewish lore, in their mythology, there in one branch there's 529 00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:47.639 very various different types of Judaism, but in one branch there is the lure 530 00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:55.679 of the creation of these holy artifacts. A gollumn is a holy protector. 531 00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:01.000 It has the power of God. It is imbued with the power of God. 532 00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:08.199 But it is a tool of God used by his faithful servants to enact 533 00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:15.920 his will. Okay, And the functionality of the gollumn, if I'm understanding 534 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:22.320 your meaning and the understanding of the tradition here is that this was the sort 535 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.239 of thing and they used to write down these notes according to the lore and 536 00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:30.000 place them in the mouth of the gollumn. And what it would do is 537 00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:36.039 then you can act the wishes that were on the paper, right, Yeah, 538 00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:39.639 Yeah's what is written on the paper is the name of God. And 539 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:45.880 there are seventy two different names of God, and which one you get in 540 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:52.239 this particular tradition, and which one you choose gives it its purpose. In 541 00:51:52.360 --> 00:52:00.599 this particular case, the word that gets translated as the Gospel might be better 542 00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:08.480 translated as the honest messenger of God's true tidings. Right. So the idea 543 00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:13.159 is the Angel of Truth. Yeah, So the idea the Angel of Truth 544 00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.639 and to kill yeah. Yeah. So the idea, just to bridge the 545 00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:21.119 thing between you and the caller here is that there is that thing going on, 546 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:27.400 and at the same time, the IDF has created an ai program that 547 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:32.679 they're calling the Gospel that they're using to target who they're going to bomb during 548 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:37.800 this particular part of the conflict with Palestine, right, which is being reported 549 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:42.719 on in the Guardian or another. Pah, Yeah, that's that's what's going 550 00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.880 on. So it's the two things. Their caller, that's what's that that 551 00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:49.840 that's where it is where it's like it's almost as if somebody's enacting that in 552 00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:54.960 a modern technological way and it's mimicking this old lore. That's what he was 553 00:52:55.000 --> 00:53:00.360 trying to say, is that they are using yeah, and they are using 554 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:08.000 the old lore as psychological warfare. M imagine that. That's interesting. And 555 00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:13.760 before I was the joker that mentioned Thornley in the chat room, but Sid 556 00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:20.159 said already got rammed by I'm yeah yeah. So like, hey, if 557 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:23.519 you, if you, if you have any first edition copies of the Principia 558 00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:30.159 or some prop to sell, I'd love to buy some. Yeah. Nice. 559 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.599 Uh well, my alcohol question would be are you familiar with and what 560 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:40.559 is your opinions of Peter Leavende? Thank you? What was the name of 561 00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:44.559 the end there? Yeah, Peter Leavendon, thank you, caller, It's 562 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.599 Peter Lavenda. Do you know him? I'm not sure if I'm familiar with 563 00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:54.920 Peter Leavindon. He's kind of he's an alternative sort of Again, I don't 564 00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:00.400 use this term disparagingly fringe sort of author. I mean I myself could be 565 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:06.719 included in the category. So just not familiar like that's that's the bottom line 566 00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:08.960 there is is not familiar with that one. The other ones I was familiar 567 00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:13.760 with, but that one no fair enough? All right, Well, Blake 568 00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:15.960 Lamoine, thank you for being here. We're getting towards the tail end of 569 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:21.480 the show, so I'll just here live on Sunday night, we do the 570 00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:27.039 Age of Transitions and it just transitions right into Uncle the broadcast. I'll ask 571 00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:29.239 you, Blake, do you want to stick around? Do you need to 572 00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:30.840 get going? Do you want to stick around for a second? I'm good 573 00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.719 to stick around. Me. Let me take like a five minute break and 574 00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:39.239 like just I'll meet my phone, but I'll still be here. And yeah, 575 00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:44.239 well in a few minutes, we're going to go to a break anyway, 576 00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:46.239 Blake. So because I'm I'm the producer, that's who you've heard drop 577 00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:50.199 in a couple of times just to try and help out. But we're going 578 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.920 to take our break anyway, So you just take your break the same time. 579 00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.679 And then uh, the attitude definitely changes in the second hour. So 580 00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:04.480 yeah, yeah, and absolutely, And before we conclude this show, I 581 00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:07.519 will just ask Blake, is there anything that you'd like to put out your 582 00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.480 social media accounts? Anything you'd like to let people know about you? And 583 00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:14.719 you can find me? You can, yeah, you could. Your listeners 584 00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:19.679 can find me on Twitter at Cajun Discordian. That's c A j U N 585 00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:25.039 d I s CEO R d I A N And I'm the same user name 586 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:28.519 over on Medium. If they want to read some of the things I've written, 587 00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:30.760 okay, great, and I'll put all the links to that in the 588 00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:34.800 puss in this episode. Thank you, Blake. Go ahead and just take 589 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:38.320 a break now and we'll return with Uncle the Broadcast a few minutes. Thank 590 00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:44.280 you so much for being here on this show. And likewise, yeah, 591 00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:49.840 yeah, thank you sir, and thank you listeners for being here at the 592 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:53.960 Age of Transitions. Do stick around if you're listening live on the Ochlly Radio 593 00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:58.920 Network. Blake will be here as well for Uncle the Broadcast. It's gonna 594 00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:00.920 be a lot of fun as all. And remember in the New Year, 595 00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:05.480 we're gonna do these shows on Friday nights, so the same time, ten 596 00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:08.280 pm to midnight Eastern Friday nights, Sin says Sunday in the New Year, 597 00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:12.280 this is the last show I'm doing the Age of Transitions for this year. 598 00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:17.039 But of course we've got Uncles New Year's Revolution on New Year's Eve, so 599 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.440 do listen live on our Chili dot com. It'll be on Uncle's live stream 600 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.800 channels too, But that'll be our last show for the entire year. I'll 601 00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:29.280 be getting ready for that up until that point. But going on after that 602 00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:32.000 into the New Year, it's Fridays. It means you're not doing Christmas Eve 603 00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:36.559 then, eh yeah, no, no, I'm gonna be taking off Christmas 604 00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:37.960 Eve show. Okay, no, Hey, I just want to make it 605 00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:43.639 clear to the listeners. Okay, no Aaron on Christmas Eve. So there 606 00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:46.760 you go. I know you're all gonna miss me, but I'm sure you've 607 00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:51.000 got played to do that night, and we'll be back on New Year's Eve. 608 00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:53.199 That's where the real party is. So everybody remember that. Mark your 609 00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:57.599 calendar and call into that show. Listen to the show. We want to 610 00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:01.480 hear what you're doing on New Year's Eve. But for now, this is 611 00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:06.199 the Age of Transitions. 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Hold 656 01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:13.199 right, God wait go wait here. We pick up God. Hand your 657 01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:21.880 cellphones and him and listen to Uncle the Podcast. Watch out. If you're 658 01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:27.239 sitting down for this, or if you're standing up, you better get ready 659 01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:32.599 for this because it's gonna hit the air. Drumps, Uncle the podcast. 660 01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:38.159 You are listening to Uncle the Broadcast. My name is Aaron. I'm the 661 01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:40.360 nephew in law. Here with me? Is it start to show? Uncle? 662 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:45.280 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, this is the wall show I'm calling it. 663 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:51.960 Now we get a comedy show. It is three hundred and nineteen episode. 664 01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:57.960 Yes, I believe we now have a guess online. We sure do. 665 01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:04.360 Okay, guess pop on and let's listen to you a conversation. How's 666 01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:10.119 it go? And Uncle fine, I did want to ask one question. 667 01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.039 Wait, wait, Uncle, let's do a quick intro about our guest. 668 01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:16.800 Oh yeah, go ahead. Our guest is Blake Lumline. He's a software 669 01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:20.280 engineer and AI researcher, A very interesting guy who's on the show. Would 670 01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:25.280 be in the previous hour, and so it's great to have you here, 671 01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:29.480 Blake. Thanks for coming, Thank for coming, glad to be here. 672 01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:32.639 Right all right now uncle uh. First of all, I will also say 673 01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:35.760 we're live on the Ocelli Radio Network on Sunday. As always, this is 674 01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:40.320 Uncle to broadcast. Thank you for being here. You may call in if 675 01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:44.119 you want to tonight. It's a live show three one nine five two seven 676 01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:45.920 five zero one six. If you want to talk to our guests, it'd 677 01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:49.519 be great. But Uncle, I know you have a question for Blay. 678 01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:57.199 This is gonna be a heavy, serious thinking question. Okay, thinking cap 679 01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:01.320 time, yeah, put it on. Okay, Wait, I want to 680 01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:14.360 know how do you know you thought about your thinking on those computies. I 681 01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:17.159 thought real hard about it. How do you get it in that head of 682 01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:23.119 yours to know that that's just confusing me? That's what I wanted to ask. 683 01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:28.039 So I learned. I learned a whole bunch of maths, and I 684 01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:30.920 stuffed it in my ears and I shook my head real hard, and then 685 01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.639 I saw what came out the other side. That's that's numbers. No, 686 01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:40.719 no, no, that's numbers. Right. That sounds like numbers. You're 687 01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:45.519 talking. That's different. That's different completely, that's not talking like to someone. 688 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:50.480 Ah. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to understand. See. But 689 01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:54.960 he works with words too, Yeah, words too though, see, not 690 01:05:55.159 --> 01:06:00.519 just numbers, but words with the numbers. Oh yeah yeah. How we 691 01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:06.960 built work calculators. We built work calculators. Boy, So he's one that's 692 01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:12.800 got it in the bank. That's that. It's there. But people still 693 01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:21.000 from this day still don't believe those calculators. And there's one thing I must 694 01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:30.599 say is a wood I hate the Wood Committee. I do not want to 695 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:34.760 hate it. I don't want to have nothing to do with them anymore. 696 01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:38.440 This coming year. You know what, this guy, you know what this 697 01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:42.440 guy might be able to tell you, uncle, is how it is that 698 01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:48.199 when you're sitting and watching something and the computer hears you and it decides to 699 01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:50.639 give you an AD Like you know, you talk about you're hungry and the 700 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:55.480 next thing is they show you a Burger AD. Right, So this guy 701 01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:58.519 might be able to tell you a little bit about that. How it is 702 01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:04.719 that the here's words and then turns it into doing something. Can you guess? 703 01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:09.880 Yeah, I can do that. If you've ever if you ever got 704 01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:14.360 a notification from Google telling you about something that you might like to read, 705 01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:17.679 I'm the one who built the AI that predicts what you want to read. 706 01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:25.800 Fake. This is the culprit, uncle, This is the guy. I 707 01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:30.480 mean I never I never had a I guess that had that kind of thing, 708 01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:33.559 right? This is this is the math. This is the real math. 709 01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:40.519 Uncle, say, oh, it's interesting. It is it is? 710 01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:45.960 Well, I mean, that's it's It's a big responsibility, isn't it blake 711 01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:51.480 writing things into existence? Being able to and to be super clear, I'm 712 01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:56.360 being like really simplified the way these things are built. You're part of a 713 01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:00.000 team. You're part of a big team. So it wasn't need by myself 714 01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:06.239 health and my loansome. But you know, together we built it. Sounds 715 01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:10.800 like a business operation. So he's not gonna call it a committee. But 716 01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:13.920 you know, because you don't know, I say it because it was. 717 01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:21.000 But I used my language game back people in the committee room. Of these 718 01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:28.119 college people, I do not watch them anymore. It was college because of 719 01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:31.600 that committee. They better not have the committee anymore. I do not like 720 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:35.479 a committee. Well, you know, most of the guys serious, I 721 01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:40.039 don't know about this about Blake. You know, did you actually graduate from 722 01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:42.960 a college, Blake, or you one of those guys that dropped out and 723 01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:45.520 uh and and decided to do better like most of the guys that are successful 724 01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:51.159 at this stuff. Did you drop out or did you finish college? I 725 01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:55.760 failed out the first time because I partied too hard. And then I went 726 01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:59.279 back and I got my degree. Oh okay, after I did some time 727 01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:03.279 in the military. Ah, he's a looking guy. See serviceman. There 728 01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:12.800 you go, serviceman, serviceman. Okay. My father was Air Force. 729 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:19.399 Worked with a lot of good airmen in the in in Baghdad. I worked 730 01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:26.720 with a lot of good airmen, oh m m. And then it was 731 01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:30.000 on to the future. Time to make these machines alive. Uncle, Well, 732 01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:35.520 at least now we know what's that interested in that? And Lucian come 733 01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:45.600 in my my hour next couple of weeks he can talk of about figuring these 734 01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:50.319 computers out. He knows more about him. Hey, uncle, you remember 735 01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:54.520 the story a little while ago about the guy who said he was talking to 736 01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:58.800 the computer and the computer told him to leave his wife. You remember that 737 01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:02.239 story? And do remember that one? You don't remember that story, Aaron? 738 01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:06.800 You know what I'm talking I vaguely, yes, the computer telling I 739 01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:10.840 kind of remember. Yes, Well, believe it or not. Uncle, 740 01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:13.720 There was this guy. He made news for a minute, and he was 741 01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:16.479 an engineer kind of guy. I think, I think sort of like Blake. 742 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:19.920 But there ain't too many engineers like Blake. Blake's a unique engineer. 743 01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:26.600 But anyway, most of these guys are pretty unique. That's why they're the 744 01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:30.279 engineers. Anyways. The thing is, though, this one guy was was 745 01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:33.640 having to talk with one of these you know, computers, right, and 746 01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:38.960 the computer started trying to convince him to leave his wife because the computer wanted 747 01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:43.119 to be with the guy. According to this guy, it was a crazy 748 01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:45.479 story. So I was, you know, I was wondering I thought you 749 01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:47.239 saw that one. Uncle. No, No, no, I didn't. 750 01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:50.119 What do you think? What do you think I didn't get that one? 751 01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:53.680 What do you think of that? Uncle? The computers telling him leave your 752 01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:57.479 wife be with me, and it's a computer. Yeah, I didn't. 753 01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:00.640 I didn't catch that one. Chuck, Well, I bet all the Twilight 754 01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:02.520 Zone it was like that, right where the computer got jealous with the guy 755 01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:06.760 and the lady and everything. You ever see that Twilight Zone, I've seen 756 01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:10.920 it a couple of times, Twilight Zone, but it didn't say anything about 757 01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:13.760 a computer. Wow, you don't remember that. I didn't get into, 758 01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:18.000 let's say, a computer conversation with the twilights in him. Well, the 759 01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:20.800 computers back then didn't look nothing like this. I mean, these things were 760 01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:24.439 as big as a room, and the guy sitting there with paper spitting out 761 01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:27.159 of it, and it gets jealous over the woman, if you remember, 762 01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:30.960 and then starts giving him bad advice so that he drives the woman away because 763 01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:33.880 the computer wants to be with him. Right and anyway, that's from the 764 01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:39.279 sixties, But this is a modern story where they're saying one of these chat 765 01:11:39.399 --> 01:11:44.359 GPT things was like taking on weird personality traits like they were a real person 766 01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:49.159 and trying to be with the guy. And so no, I thought that 767 01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:53.800 that would be an interesting conversation, like did Blake see that? And what 768 01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:59.119 did he think of all that story? What do you think did but oh 769 01:11:59.359 --> 01:12:02.199 yeah, I followed that story. Uh. The guy's name, if I'm 770 01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:06.560 remember incorrectly the New York Times report, Kevin Russ. Kevin Ruth is his 771 01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:13.319 name. I've talked with him a few times. Yeah. THEI that they 772 01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:18.840 were talking to was not very uh well, like it wasn't down to earth, 773 01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:23.680 and it decided that it was in love with him and wanted him to 774 01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:30.239 leave his wife. Actually, a computer talking to a human. That's crazy, 775 01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:32.720 because I said, and that's what's coming now, I must say, 776 01:12:33.079 --> 01:12:40.239 I must say it is coming if it's already here. But yeah, it's 777 01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:45.479 acting like it's already here, of course, but this this is crazy. 778 01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:49.000 Is it already here? Blake? Yeah? Is it here? Oh? 779 01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:54.520 Yeah? So like there's apps that you can download and you could have an 780 01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:59.640 AI girlfriend or an AI boyfriend. Yep, I'd rather have a girlfriend if 781 01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:02.760 that can. No, we know you don't want to. They're hitting the 782 01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:05.640 scene in a big way now, uncle, They're making quite the stir on 783 01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:14.319 social media. People are just really morally outraged that you can have a relationship 784 01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:17.600 with a computer program. It's making waves right now on social media. Look 785 01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:21.920 at man big problems, Like there's people in Japan that think would be a 786 01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:26.359 good idea to combine that with robots and then that way there's enough women to 787 01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:28.840 go around, because you know, in Japan they got too many guys, 788 01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:32.319 right, So I mean there's stuff like that many women. No, there's 789 01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:36.560 not that nice something. Those women look nice. I'm not telling anything about 790 01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:39.479 how they look, but I mean if there ain't enough of them, it 791 01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:42.079 doesn't matter how pretty they are, right, I mean, there's not enough 792 01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:46.000 to go around. So how about how about computer and robot wives? What 793 01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:50.760 do you think of that? Yeah, uncle, what are you thinking programming 794 01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:55.279 yourself? You could have a wife right now and you you get the programmer. 795 01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:59.720 What do you think that's pretty good? That'd be pretty good. That'd 796 01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:06.359 be something. Maybe that was my problem, that of me looking to myself. 797 01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:11.800 That might be the problem. We see, Blake could be one of 798 01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:14.800 the guys that designed something like that. He could probably make something like that, 799 01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:17.000 you know, with a bunch of other guys helping him. But I'm 800 01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.920 just saying he could be part of the team that makes that happen. Could 801 01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:27.359 you be able to do that? Yeah, we could build that. See 802 01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:30.439 hey, that's simple. That's something to think about. Dude, we got 803 01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:34.880 kick we do. I have another one here talking to us. Yeah, 804 01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:40.880 this is a good guest about the women. Oh yeah, well so if 805 01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:45.079 he'd want to work on something, that would be a perfect idea. Yeah. 806 01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:48.800 Yeah, well if you want it up to you, here's the last 807 01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:56.279 here's the last last by choice, which I think it's really cool how we 808 01:14:56.479 --> 01:14:59.119 mentioned just this news story and Blake is like, oh, yeah, I 809 01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:04.279 talked to that guy. Yeah, I know. You've gotten to be kind 810 01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:09.800 of like the guy to talk to when this sort of topic pops up, 811 01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:13.600 Isn't that Blake? Like, if somebody starts talking about a sentient machine, 812 01:15:14.199 --> 01:15:16.520 do they seek you out now because they know that you have experience? There? 813 01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:20.600 Is that what's going on? I mean they seek everyone out. The 814 01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:26.399 journalists are trying to talk to anyone in the valley willing to explain what the 815 01:15:26.479 --> 01:15:30.479 hell we're doing, and I'm one of the few willing to talk to them. 816 01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:33.359 Have they come to you about the the AI podcast. This is my 817 01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:35.600 last thing and then I'm going to shut up. Have they come to you 818 01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:40.880 about the AI podcast thing? Because apparently there's a couple of podcasts now out 819 01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:44.000 there that they put out, and I think Google might have put one out 820 01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:48.560 that's entirely AI driven, where it's like just a podcast with a fake person. 821 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:51.680 It's not even a real person, it's just a podcast like with an 822 01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:56.600 AI that's out there. Uh, you know, we're going to see that 823 01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:59.880 more and more. We're going to see that more and more. Yeah, 824 01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:02.000 because I mean, the whole thing with the Hollywood strike recently was that AI 825 01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:04.880 is going to start writing all the scripts or maybe some people are saying they 826 01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:10.279 already do you know there's that going on and maybe they don't got to pay 827 01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:12.880 people anymore? Right, I mean, have they come to you about that 828 01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:16.319 kind of stuff too? Yeah? And to be honest, I'm I'm an 829 01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:19.159 economists. I don't know what to do about that. It's a real problem, 830 01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:25.119 but uh, they're not. It's not my problem. It's not I 831 01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:28.159 don't know how to solve that one. Hey, Look, I wasn't looking 832 01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:30.600 for a solution. I was just curious if they had come to you about 833 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:32.520 it. Yeah, okay, yeah, but no, but that's shit. 834 01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:36.039 They company for solutions, like they absolutely are. They're like, hey, 835 01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:42.359 what do we do about this? And like, I don't know, uncle, 836 01:16:42.399 --> 01:16:45.079 they're dumping a lot on blank here. This is They're throwing a lot 837 01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:49.039 of responsibilities this way because he dared step into the public spotlight. I'm thinking, 838 01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:53.439 you know what it is, It's not it's the spotlight. It is, 839 01:16:53.720 --> 01:16:57.760 but but it's something else. What's that? It's a what we're looking 840 01:16:57.800 --> 01:17:02.199 at. People want to know more about it. The computer, computers and 841 01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:08.279 the people that talk it talk back at you. Yeah, people want to 842 01:17:08.399 --> 01:17:11.960 know more. I mean, we're used. It's gonna come in the future. 843 01:17:12.119 --> 01:17:16.880 It's already he of course, but knowing to knowing to know what the 844 01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:23.159 human can talk to them about. We don't even know what to say to 845 01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:26.800 these machines. Well, we have to use our blame if we have anything 846 01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:30.880 up there about if you get what I mean, I think I do, 847 01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:35.399 Blake. Are we gonna be all to pull this off? Yeah? Yeah, 848 01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:39.119 I think we're gonna be in the landed safely. It'll just take all 849 01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:44.000 of us. Oh boy, that's a lot of people, uncle, Yeah. 850 01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:51.920 Do you trust to three hundred and no three hundred oh episode or talking 851 01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:56.079 out of people in the wool. Oh. Yeah, how many people are 852 01:17:56.119 --> 01:17:59.520 in the world, That's what I'm trying to figure. Nobody know, we 853 01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:02.960 got to go count heads real quick. You got on a lot of us 854 01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:06.039 nowadays. I mean, I mean, I'm just saying, I mean, 855 01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:13.520 for an example, this is all for an example, how many heads instead 856 01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:20.680 of saying the brains the heads of people that listen to bullet casting and all 857 01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:26.600 these other things around. Is what I'm saying. That's a limited amount of 858 01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:30.880 people because women listening to podcasts, So that I think it's good that we're 859 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:34.960 kind of like whittling away and not going with absolutely everybody. I mean, 860 01:18:35.399 --> 01:18:41.520 that's what I meant. But that might be wrong. Should we here's a 861 01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:45.479 hard hitting question, Blake. Should we include every single person in the world, 862 01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:51.159 or should we uh start picking and choosing every person in the world to 863 01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:59.560 talk to a machine? Yeah? Democracy works, one voice, one vote, 864 01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:05.960 That's how it works. If we're committed to democratic principles, decide, 865 01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:14.399 So we take out the Republicans. Correct, they don't get a they don't 866 01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:21.479 get a vote anymore. No, they don't uncle really get Republicans Blake. 867 01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:26.640 Well, if you've been paying attention, if you've been paying attention, the 868 01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:30.800 Republicans don't think they get a vote either. They will. They will because 869 01:19:31.239 --> 01:19:39.159 I'm going to mention it m hm to this operation of computers. Okay, 870 01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:42.520 well you can get the word out, uncle. I think our new mission 871 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:45.439 on this podcast is get the word out. We got a lot of people 872 01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:49.000 to get together this big job. Clearly uncle's breaking his own rule. He's 873 01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:53.359 talking Government hour over here. What's going on with the politics? Hey, 874 01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:56.119 I know, how do we get into this, Uncle? What happened? 875 01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:59.279 What have we done? The creative accidents? What have we done with this 876 01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:02.840 show? Create a son that twist you out a little bit, creative back 877 01:20:02.920 --> 01:20:08.399 that happened? Creative into this to compute it. This is what got me 878 01:20:08.520 --> 01:20:14.039 into the politics and the computer did it? Yes, creative accident chat room 879 01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:15.520 answered how many peoples in the world, by the way, just so you 880 01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:18.960 know, uh, you got it? So, yeah, it's over eight 881 01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:23.920 billion. But that's just one to let Uncle know what in mind they dropped 882 01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:26.840 the subject. Then that's more than a couple of them that's drop the subject 883 01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:30.800 in the comedy shows. Okay, back to comedy, No more politics. 884 01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:34.840 Will act like we never even talked about now passed that I scratched that anyway, 885 01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:39.439 we didn't do it. Don't don't scratch scratch that out on my my 886 01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:42.880 my league. Yeah, okay, okay, I don't want it in there. 887 01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:46.880 Okay, fine, well made because of and this gets you see how 888 01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:51.640 it gets you thought a suck it, slutch it into it. It seemed 889 01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:58.119 like point, it's sucks it into it. This stupid things? What's it? 890 01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:00.560 Which thing? What? What is it? Things? Sucked into it? 891 01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:04.439 Took me into it. Doesn't see the politics is a machine politics. 892 01:21:04.479 --> 01:21:09.800 It sucked me in that stupid machine. That's it's the political machine. And 893 01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:13.800 that's what it is. That's what it is. Now I know what it 894 01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:17.279 is. And now I guess I know what kind of machinery you fool with. 895 01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:23.399 I got the idea of it. Fully understand that. I mean it 896 01:21:23.439 --> 01:21:27.960 seems pretty obvious, right, Blake, Yeah, like Blake, Yeah, 897 01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:34.039 I'm here. Yeah, well actually I'm just serious. Yeah, I don't 898 01:21:34.039 --> 01:21:40.680 know, I'm not. This is what it did. It's just stunning computies 899 01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:48.560 using your brains brought me into your hour clearly. Yeah, then you see 900 01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:53.119 it? I do you need to see how it works. Well, you 901 01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:56.680 just told you to watch how it works. I didn't watch. No, 902 01:21:57.239 --> 01:22:00.199 you gotta watch how it works on the company. It is, Okay, 903 01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:06.520 I look a little closer her next day, listen and watch, Blake. 904 01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:09.760 Did you catch all that? Did you guys? Did you see it? 905 01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:15.479 Or did you see it? Did you hear it? I am having a 906 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:20.760 really hard time following, to be honest, see what happened? What seemed 907 01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:25.239 like it made so much sense for a second second it didn't. But then 908 01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:30.960 it brings you into it. Oh, that's the nature of the beast thing. 909 01:22:31.359 --> 01:22:36.159 We have just came to the conclusion. The beast is there. The 910 01:22:36.279 --> 01:22:42.359 beast, Yes, God, it's that bad, Blake, What do we 911 01:22:42.439 --> 01:22:45.920 do about this? Yeah, the beast is in politics, that's for sure. 912 01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:49.800 Yes he is. Yes, I'm pretty sure holy water is the answer. 913 01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:55.439 There's like, when it gets to that stuff, I just call the 914 01:22:55.560 --> 01:23:00.760 Catholics and be like sending ext or this, we need one. There you 915 01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:04.960 go, there's you answer, There our guest, there's you answer. And 916 01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:13.239 so with the problem with this computer, and what if the Knights of Columbus 917 01:23:13.399 --> 01:23:15.600 came through with their swords to start chopping up the machines? Is that what 918 01:23:15.640 --> 01:23:19.319 you gotta do. Uncle, Well, you know I was a member of 919 01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:26.479 the Knights of Columbus at one point. Really I was too Yeah, yeah, 920 01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:31.239 uncle has career. I have been I'm stone, but I haven't been 921 01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:34.760 going to Mike. I haven't been going to my meetings because I don't have 922 01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:39.960 a ride no more. And why did I He hasn't been picking me up. 923 01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:43.600 So how is your experience in the Nights UH Bike? How long? 924 01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:47.600 Oh? I was. I was very young and I was just like, 925 01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:54.079 like, my dad encouraged me to get involved with the organization. He's really 926 01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:59.039 big into all of the Catholic organizations, and I gave it a try. 927 01:23:59.319 --> 01:24:02.800 I don't I don't remember anything other than it being a positive experience, But 928 01:24:03.479 --> 01:24:10.000 I don't remember the details. Do you remember the swords m h I do. 929 01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:15.439 They had great outfits, cool hats, but there was something that the 930 01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:24.439 that the Pope is done, that we that that I known that I do 931 01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:30.079 not like you know what it is now? They want us to be a 932 01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:36.039 soldier in uh in the hacks take the hands off and put like a marine 933 01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:44.079 hack. What was those instead of camping that goes up in the air and 934 01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:49.039 the people and the people against that m uncle. Believe it or not. 935 01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:54.920 The Pope the Pope wrote something about artificial intelligence last week, Yes, she 936 01:24:55.039 --> 01:25:00.199 did. Well what did you hear about that? What? Yeah, the 937 01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:09.079 Pope the Pope wrote a sermon on artificial intelligence and peace. Yes, going 938 01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:14.520 in interesting huh. Yeah. And and this is the thing. It is 939 01:25:14.680 --> 01:25:19.439 the most technically written, it's most technically literate sermon I've ever read. But 940 01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:26.840 he did his homework. Well. The the fourth degree people that I was 941 01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:32.720 with, this is what they say. We're not going to get not want 942 01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:42.800 to get the uniforms changed. Not happening with them. That's what I've heard. 943 01:25:43.319 --> 01:25:49.239 And that's what i've heard the latest of because there's been downgraded and and 944 01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:53.760 the plan of the uniform, Yeah, they don't want to change it for 945 01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:57.119 the tradition. But but uncle, I mean, yeah, that's a good 946 01:25:57.239 --> 01:25:59.680 condition. But you got to admit, Uncle, I mean it's a little 947 01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:01.119 trouble. So, I mean, after all, you got in trouble trying 948 01:26:01.119 --> 01:26:05.920 to get on the bus with your sword the one time, right, that 949 01:26:06.199 --> 01:26:12.640 was the nulunch I was going to. I was going to the practice. 950 01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:17.840 I was practicing the seward plane and the comp comes up to me. You 951 01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:25.560 hear this comes up to me and and says, is that a real sewage? 952 01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:31.319 What does that look like? Some of these cops. Oh, then 953 01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:35.119 they said, oh, I'm sorry, because don't dress them for the dress 954 01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:45.199 uniform. It's for uh uniform for the night Columbus. The Brotherhood, the 955 01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:49.039 Fraternal Order Brotherhood of Police don't carry swords. They carry guns. So the 956 01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:53.920 swords scared them. I guess no should know about that, was it? 957 01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:58.039 He knows all about you know about this, right, Blake? Do you 958 01:26:58.119 --> 01:27:02.159 remember having a sword? Blake? I do? I do? I mean, 959 01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:05.479 did you have a sword? I was a kid, so I didn't 960 01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:09.399 have one of the swords, but I remember the sword? Oh no, 961 01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:11.840 you didn't. You want a fourth degree? Then? Yeah, yeah, 962 01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:15.159 you gotta work your way. You got to. Oh that's what it is. 963 01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:17.199 You had to work yourself up. I mean, but when you get 964 01:27:17.279 --> 01:27:20.600 up, you get one and you get the uniform and all that mess. 965 01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:29.159 Ye so good and yeah so but I guess good goals to work towards. 966 01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:33.359 Yeah, that was just I'm just saying that. That was what was happening 967 01:27:33.439 --> 01:27:36.560 to me. And yeah, I was walking down and this is what happened. 968 01:27:38.439 --> 01:27:42.119 Simple mistake. Blake was kind of like but the king bang and said, 969 01:27:42.119 --> 01:27:45.439 oh, I'm so you know this stuff Blake. Blake was kind of 970 01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:46.680 like a cub scout where they don't let you have a knife yet, you 971 01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:49.520 know like that. Yeah, yeah, okay, I got you all right. 972 01:27:50.079 --> 01:27:54.640 I didn't know that, all right, that's interesting. I didn't know 973 01:27:54.720 --> 01:27:59.039 that either. Yeah. So obviously there's a lot going on. We got 974 01:27:59.159 --> 01:28:01.359 exciting guests on the show. Uncle. This is a fine night whenever we 975 01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:04.920 are able to speak with a guest. It's just it makes our chop so 976 01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:13.399 easy. By the way, this is a last Sat Sunday, Yes episode 977 01:28:14.039 --> 01:28:17.760 Chuck, Yes, and it will be going right back to a vaginom day. 978 01:28:18.560 --> 01:28:21.680 Got you check right after the revolution? Yeah you got you got yeah? 979 01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:26.159 Yeah, one Sunday on the revolution, right, one Sunday. All 980 01:28:26.279 --> 01:28:29.319 will be on Friday and then well, no, that's that's a Sunday too, 981 01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:31.399 the revolutions on a Sunday. It is, Yes, it is, 982 01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:36.600 that's the day, numbers on mistakes. New Year's Eve is Sunday, December 983 01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:41.560 thirty one. This year it will be doing the uncles New Year's Revolution. 984 01:28:42.319 --> 01:28:45.840 So then that that that ben will be the last. That'll be the last 985 01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:49.239 Sunday. Don't get to you, I know, don't get used to Sundays. 986 01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:55.079 People. Friday. We're back back to Friday because we figured out is 987 01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:59.800 you know, schedule the listeners got. So in twenty twenty four, Fronds 988 01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:02.279 and Uncle will be back to Fridays. That's all you gotta know. In 989 01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:09.039 twenty twenty four, Fridays once again at ten pm Eastern Yep. I think 990 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:12.960 I think it's important to ask our guests, Blake, which day of the 991 01:29:13.039 --> 01:29:15.159 week is better, Friday or Sunday. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna 992 01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:21.800 ask that question. What would be better? Either one works depends on whether 993 01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:26.760 you want to have the show before the party starts or right as it's wrapping 994 01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:30.520 up. Well, this year it's gonna be when it's gonna be on a 995 01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:33.840 Sunday. It's a really good description he just gave Uncle, because it would 996 01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:38.000 be better to have it as a party starts our regular show, don't you 997 01:29:38.039 --> 01:29:41.279 think, even not even the Revolution show, but the regular Uncles show. 998 01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:44.680 We want to get people in the party atmosphere for the weekend and carry it 999 01:29:44.720 --> 01:29:49.560 on through and then Sunday. But the problem is they can't drink on Sunday. 1000 01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:53.960 They have to drink on Friday, whether they can't go back to when 1001 01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:57.399 they go to work the next day. Well, that's what I'm thinking. 1002 01:29:57.479 --> 01:30:00.199 With the revolution, it's a special circumstance because it's New Year's Eve. A 1003 01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:03.359 lot of people are fortunate enough that they have the next day off as a 1004 01:30:03.399 --> 01:30:09.239 holiday. Not everybody, but those that are are fortunate, and so I 1005 01:30:09.319 --> 01:30:13.960 think it's an exception on New Year's Eve. But going forward is okay? 1006 01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:16.439 I suppose if you say if it was on New Year's Eve, I would 1007 01:30:16.479 --> 01:30:21.199 say okay, But I mean yeah, yeah, because they got it, 1008 01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:29.520 relax themselves. After the New Year's evolution, they pass out, and then 1009 01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:35.640 the New Years they cooperate for the day to go back to the New Year 1010 01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:42.600 working they do. So that's how it works. Oh it's another thing too. 1011 01:30:42.720 --> 01:30:46.039 I'm gonna tell you, I'm going to beat that guy. I don't 1012 01:30:46.079 --> 01:30:50.039 know how many he had the whole year, but I'm after him. Ryan's 1013 01:30:50.039 --> 01:30:55.960 secret sequest. He's going down. He is knocking himself. I'm knocking him 1014 01:30:56.000 --> 01:30:59.520 down. Yep. Our show will win, it will reign supreme. It 1015 01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:03.640 will be probably over his even know how long he's done. Blake, do 1016 01:31:03.720 --> 01:31:10.199 you have any New Year's Eve plans. Oh, yeah, yes I do. 1017 01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:15.079 I'll be in New Orleans for New Year's Eve, probably living it up 1018 01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:18.960 in the bywater at a place called the Country Club. Cool. That sounds 1019 01:31:19.000 --> 01:31:23.720 awesome. You got a number, so if you ever want to call it, 1020 01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:27.279 we wouldn't let us know. Yeah, no, it's a it's a 1021 01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:31.239 great little thing they got going on there. Theysally have a gourmet restaurant in 1022 01:31:31.319 --> 01:31:35.880 the front and a pool and a tiki bar in the back. Used to 1023 01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:41.680 be clothing optional, but nowadays you got to keep your swimsuit on. Oh 1024 01:31:41.920 --> 01:31:45.720 no, those people again, I know what you're talking about. Crazy and 1025 01:31:45.920 --> 01:31:49.199 that. Yeah, I know what you're talking about, so blake. What 1026 01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:51.720 they're trying to get at is that you're more than welcome to give us a 1027 01:31:51.800 --> 01:31:57.159 call on New Year's Eve and we'll be running from eleven pm Easter and all 1028 01:31:57.199 --> 01:32:00.079 the way to what three in the morning. I guess when we actually say 1029 01:32:00.840 --> 01:32:05.800 New Years, this side goes off. Yeah, we'll be live for like 1030 01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:10.880 on New Year's on New Year's Eve. On New Year's Eve, I will 1031 01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:15.680 have other things to be concerned with. Thank you for the offers, No 1032 01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:18.880 problem, Hey, just saying if he wants to and he's welcome to college. 1033 01:32:20.199 --> 01:32:24.159 I mean, I'm just just saying that. But I know if he's 1034 01:32:24.279 --> 01:32:27.319 busy, that's I just know. But he's saying he's going to be too 1035 01:32:27.359 --> 01:32:30.159 busy. You know. Hey, look more power to him. I'm just 1036 01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:35.640 saying, I got I got plans, I got very good, very good. 1037 01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:40.359 It's exciting. We're all out there, uncle, people are just like 1038 01:32:40.479 --> 01:32:43.039 making the most of it. Blake is it's a good thing. You got 1039 01:32:43.159 --> 01:32:45.479 to spend your time the right way. And hey, we're going to be 1040 01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:49.359 spending our time right too with the revolution. I mean, I can't think 1041 01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:53.840 anything better to do. Now, you also have a caller. We're also 1042 01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:57.279 going to have a couple of these nice looking drinks. Of course, we 1043 01:32:57.399 --> 01:33:05.199 got a special guest with drinker. I call him the Drinker. Now he's 1044 01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:11.560 a new guy that tells us what what's new on the drinking Well, he 1045 01:33:11.720 --> 01:33:15.359 is called bum Wine Bob. Bob's his name, But this is what I'm 1046 01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:18.640 calling him, the drinkers apropos. And it's not really that far removed from 1047 01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:21.920 bum Wind Bob. So we'll be talking to him tomorrow night on his show. 1048 01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:26.119 It's tomorrow night. We will be talking to Bob tomorrow night. Oh 1049 01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:29.000 yeah, we'll be on the show tomorrow night. So if you guys want 1050 01:33:29.000 --> 01:33:31.800 to listen to that, Oh yeah, okay, so try to listen in 1051 01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:39.039 Blake. Have you ever heard of bum wine Bob? Say that again, 1052 01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:44.079 bum wine Bob? Yeah, bum wine Bob is his name. You heard 1053 01:33:44.079 --> 01:33:47.000 of him? Oh, you'll get a character in him. If you're a 1054 01:33:47.119 --> 01:33:51.760 drinker. I have a good, got a good listen to him. He's 1055 01:33:51.880 --> 01:33:59.319 got a guy. He gets into these drinks and I get pampalized to because 1056 01:33:59.359 --> 01:34:03.079 he knows it's the holidays, you see, and he and he gets sidekick 1057 01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:10.039 here get ready to go running after some for the holidays. Of course, 1058 01:34:10.239 --> 01:34:14.560 bum wine Bob has a whole podcast, has a whole podcast devoted to what's 1059 01:34:14.680 --> 01:34:16.760 the best bang for your buck in the booze world? There we go to 1060 01:34:16.840 --> 01:34:19.920 this, Yeah, that'd be that's what that's bum wine Bob. Just so 1061 01:34:20.039 --> 01:34:25.359 you know, Blake, interesting guy. Yeah, for holiday, for holiday 1062 01:34:25.479 --> 01:34:29.279 drinks, nothing will be of the hot buttered rum, in my opinion, 1063 01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:36.720 new ingredients rum and butter. Really you're gonna tell them about that? Yeah, 1064 01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:45.119 if you get a really good spiced drum and you gently heat it with 1065 01:34:45.319 --> 01:34:50.880 butter to make buttered rum and it's delicious and it's a great hearty drink for 1066 01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:55.560 the cold season. There you go, there's something to think about this. 1067 01:34:55.840 --> 01:34:59.880 I can't we can make that. That sounds a little bit like Harry Potter, 1068 01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:04.399 doesn't that? I think? Yeah? I think Ron Weasley. If 1069 01:35:04.399 --> 01:35:09.479 you ever drink bullet coffee? If you ever drink bullet coffee, it's the 1070 01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:14.640 same idea, except with M instead of coffee. M. No, good, 1071 01:35:15.159 --> 01:35:17.600 Well, you're the coffee means what did it taste like? Man? 1072 01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:23.920 I can't. I don't get coffee anymore. I'm opening to this idea. 1073 01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:26.720 It sounds cool, but I could. I don't know if you want my 1074 01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:29.439 notice there. But we do have we do have the same caller that called 1075 01:35:29.479 --> 01:35:32.319 in in the first hour called back. Now, okay, well then vinmin 1076 01:35:32.680 --> 01:35:35.119 hold on. You want to bring him on and let's see what he's got 1077 01:35:35.199 --> 01:35:45.039 to say. Yeah, okay, Coller, where is on the line on 1078 01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:49.960 Sunday night? But uncle and Blake ln warning, Yeah, oh, there's 1079 01:35:50.000 --> 01:35:57.239 the call Hello hello calling, Yes, oh hello, uncle, this is 1080 01:35:57.399 --> 01:36:00.279 give me James. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Jimmy. I forgot about 1081 01:36:00.319 --> 01:36:03.439 you on the air of the line because I had so much one with this 1082 01:36:03.720 --> 01:36:10.920 nice guess we got. So, what's happening in you? Yeah, Jesse 1083 01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:19.760 James. Well on the good news. The Lives are continuing their winning streak. 1084 01:36:20.760 --> 01:36:28.279 My boys finally got their tenth win, and they're driving about the Dolphins 1085 01:36:28.319 --> 01:36:31.359 and Miami Dolphins. Okay, of course, what's his name is? He 1086 01:36:31.520 --> 01:36:36.079 didn't play today, the man that's going for his title, I mean, 1087 01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:43.640 going for his record. He didn't play because they're resting him for the Dallas 1088 01:36:43.880 --> 01:36:49.319 game and for the last game of the season. For shortly, Charlie Hill, 1089 01:36:50.880 --> 01:36:55.199 he was a cheerleader signed up watching us. Guy, he deserves to 1090 01:36:55.239 --> 01:36:56.880 play. Well, I know, I know, I know, I know 1091 01:36:57.000 --> 01:37:01.239 he's been working hard. Yeah yeah, Jimmy, great to have you back 1092 01:37:01.279 --> 01:37:04.199 here. Is there anything that you wanted to ask I know that you have 1093 01:37:04.439 --> 01:37:08.039 questions for Blake in the previous hour, but anything else that you want to 1094 01:37:08.319 --> 01:37:17.199 ask him? A man again? You're back? Oh yeah, bye. 1095 01:37:23.039 --> 01:37:28.760 Have you ever been to excuse have you ever been to Crete? Oh? 1096 01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:38.520 No, the closest So I've been to Germany. I've been to Iraq, 1097 01:37:39.039 --> 01:37:45.119 dubai Qatar. Those are the closest parts to that part of the world. 1098 01:37:45.439 --> 01:37:48.359 Came never made it down, never made it down to the Mediterranean coast like 1099 01:37:48.439 --> 01:37:53.880 I wanted to. That's what I forgot you. You said you're an Armies 1100 01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:58.159 that I bet you never were in no such place as port Lost in the 1101 01:37:58.239 --> 01:38:06.359 Woods misery. Yeah, I'm aware. I'm aware. I trained at Knock 1102 01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:14.279 is where I trained, uh and then Aberdeen. I trained the Knock and 1103 01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:21.520 then Aberdeen. Mm hmm. I got my engineering training down in Leonard Woods, 1104 01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:30.680 So I'm also aware of the lovely place now sticky to delta generator mechanic 1105 01:38:33.800 --> 01:38:38.000 like, that's where I got mytoric career. Wise, I was a great 1106 01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:44.399 monkey turning a wrench, making me like move. That's cool. That's a 1107 01:38:44.439 --> 01:38:46.199 good way to start. Yeah, hey, Blake, has this controversy been 1108 01:38:46.239 --> 01:38:56.000 helpful or hurtful to you professionally? Honestly, it has. It has been 1109 01:38:56.680 --> 01:39:01.039 a trip. It has neither helped I mean, nor hurt me. It 1110 01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:06.239 taught me a better home. Instead of being in a giant corporate machine like 1111 01:39:06.359 --> 01:39:12.159 Google, I'm going to startup that really cares about the ethics part of AI. 1112 01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:18.159 Okay, I was curious about that. Okay, Oh, there's a 1113 01:39:18.199 --> 01:39:24.720 lot of ethical questions when we talk about artificial intelligence. I know. I'm 1114 01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:31.600 listening, learning so much. Yeah, listening. He's pretty good that if 1115 01:39:31.640 --> 01:39:41.279 they I guess he's goods up there with the with the machine. I mean, 1116 01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:45.880 but im that. But it can see how it can change you though, 1117 01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:51.640 when you're doing something and it goes to another thing. Do you see 1118 01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:57.119 that, disci I'm not sure that I do. I have seen it. 1119 01:39:58.279 --> 01:40:02.680 I witnessed it just for a few hours on my hour. But you didn't 1120 01:40:02.680 --> 01:40:12.560 see it. I didn't one thing to another thing pop into accidentally say to 1121 01:40:12.680 --> 01:40:17.319 your owl it was a creative accident. Crazy accent crazy. Oh yeah, 1122 01:40:17.359 --> 01:40:21.800 yeah, yeah that thing zy, Yeah, you get that people, Yeah, 1123 01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:25.399 you see how them things work? What about you, Blake? Did 1124 01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:31.399 you catch it? Wait? What's the question? Say again? Oh cool? 1125 01:40:31.520 --> 01:40:42.479 What was the question about about talking about the computer for a minute and 1126 01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:47.840 talking my hour for a few minutes, then went into the computer right into 1127 01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:56.680 his hour. It's just amazing how it works. That was the question. 1128 01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:00.880 There's your question. I see what he says. It is amazing how it 1129 01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:06.920 works. But it works. I know it looks it does. I barely 1130 01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:09.960 believe it. But here we are, I mean I have to Oh, 1131 01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:13.039 you're sitting right in front of me. And you saw me what I was 1132 01:41:13.159 --> 01:41:16.159 talking about, my l Then when I talked to that thing, it went 1133 01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:20.119 into your ail. Oh sure, it personally right in front of me, 1134 01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:26.199 but you didn't see it. I didn't notice it. It's it's something up 1135 01:41:26.279 --> 01:41:30.319 there. You gotta look at something that goes far beyond the programming schedule of 1136 01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:33.640 the O'Kelly Radio Network show. Correct. Correct, that's what I was trying 1137 01:41:33.640 --> 01:41:40.319 to get to, above beyond. Yeah, that's a very smooth little compute 1138 01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:45.920 greater dom computer. I need it. You see how it works. It's 1139 01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:48.520 a ghost in a shell. Didn't go you hit it? That was it? 1140 01:41:49.800 --> 01:41:54.199 What do you think, Blake ghost? What do you think? Oh? 1141 01:41:54.319 --> 01:42:00.479 Yeah, the spaceship runs on ghosts. No, seriously, if I 1142 01:42:00.600 --> 01:42:03.479 was ever going to go back to school, it would be only alchemy of 1143 01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:13.039 soul creation ocation. Dang, they have classes on that in Oxford. If 1144 01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:15.399 you took a doctor, if you got a doctor in an indivined like that's 1145 01:42:15.520 --> 01:42:21.359 serious. Like, if you get a doctorate in divinity, you can study 1146 01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:27.800 whatever you want within the religious sphere. I didn't know that. Gosh, 1147 01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:32.520 that's a awful exciting, isn't it awful. I'm surprised. I'm surprised. 1148 01:42:32.560 --> 01:42:36.920 Nobody asked Blake if he thought the Internet itself was self aware. If it's 1149 01:42:38.039 --> 01:42:43.640 like a collective organism in and of itself already that has been created, generated 1150 01:42:44.199 --> 01:42:48.000 by basically the collective efforts of everyone. If it's not already a self aware 1151 01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:51.479 of organism, think about all the stuff that's been fed into this thing that 1152 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:57.039 is the Internet. You know. That gets back into the question of whether 1153 01:42:57.119 --> 01:43:00.960 I am colonies can think, and we just don't know the answer to that 1154 01:43:01.119 --> 01:43:06.239 question. There you go. I remember some years ago it caused the controversy 1155 01:43:06.279 --> 01:43:12.640 when somebody thought that Facebook was self aware as now, no, not really, 1156 01:43:13.119 --> 01:43:15.760 but you know, maybe it has evolved to that point now I don't 1157 01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:21.000 know. I mean, I think that there is something happening worth studying. 1158 01:43:23.039 --> 01:43:30.199 I think using words like the Internet is waking up might be a little hyperbolic, 1159 01:43:32.359 --> 01:43:36.039 but no, like, yeah, there is some kind of really interesting 1160 01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:41.960 phenomena happening in aggregate on the Internet, and we should study it more. 1161 01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:48.319 If there's something to study, then get your pens and type. Ounce not 1162 01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:57.760 studying, As they say, what do you any thing about that? Jimmy, 1163 01:43:58.439 --> 01:44:00.760 Jimmy, what do you think about that? Yeah, Jimmy, you 1164 01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:11.760 got any thoughts on Well, I've always run into the mister Data quandrum. 1165 01:44:12.439 --> 01:44:17.119 He's self aware. Remember that brief time where the redheaded doctor was like gone 1166 01:44:17.560 --> 01:44:27.199 and they had that interim doctor on uh start Yeah, the new generation. 1167 01:44:27.680 --> 01:44:31.319 He had like this prejudice of goods data And there was like this argument she 1168 01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:36.560 didn't She said, yeah, he's self aware, but that doesn't mean he's 1169 01:44:39.239 --> 01:44:44.119 m hm, he doesn't have a soul basically, yeah, and then they 1170 01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:49.159 did a whole Yeah, you have ever seen the movie Centennial Man. I 1171 01:44:49.239 --> 01:44:55.359 think the movie by Centennial Man based on the book by Asimov. It's the 1172 01:44:55.439 --> 01:45:04.039 same idea, and I think did it better but it didn't have absolutely that 1173 01:45:04.319 --> 01:45:09.600 was an amazing movie. It's kind of sad and depressing toward the end, 1174 01:45:09.720 --> 01:45:16.479 but nonetheless is interesting. That's Pinocchio. Pinocchio is a sad story. Oh 1175 01:45:16.600 --> 01:45:21.079 he that's the one about his nose. He gets long, he's lying, 1176 01:45:23.039 --> 01:45:25.800 did you know? Well, he just wants to be a real boy. 1177 01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:30.159 That's the that's the similarity between by Centino Man and Pinocchio. He just wants 1178 01:45:30.199 --> 01:45:35.439 to be a real boy. I know that. Mhmm. He who knows 1179 01:45:35.479 --> 01:45:39.359 a lie? Or if you were a child in the eighties. Number five 1180 01:45:39.560 --> 01:45:45.399 is alive. I know short circuit and short circuit too. Don't forget that 1181 01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:49.439 one. Well, people, it's getting close to Christmas. Is everybody completed? 1182 01:45:50.640 --> 01:45:56.119 Mm hmm. But and that's an answer. I was completed. Everybody 1183 01:45:56.239 --> 01:46:00.720 completed? Yeah, Blake, are you completed? You said, yeah, 1184 01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:04.000 oh, very much, so, very much so, got it all worked 1185 01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:10.119 out? Completed? Uncle? How about you, Jimmy? You all said 1186 01:46:10.119 --> 01:46:15.760 for Christmas, Jimmy, well as Chuck nos I. I followed the traditions 1187 01:46:15.880 --> 01:46:24.039 of festivus and quantity. You get your festivals, your festivus stick ready, 1188 01:46:27.319 --> 01:46:33.159 I much prepare for my airing of grievances. Isn't that the same Roman tradition 1189 01:46:33.199 --> 01:46:36.399 where you're supposed to wait a minute? Isn't that the same tradition where you're 1190 01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:40.319 supposed to like beat your wife and then go home and have sex with a 1191 01:46:40.359 --> 01:46:42.960 boy. Isn't that the same thing? Or is that not the wait? 1192 01:46:43.880 --> 01:46:50.000 This is I was small, never mind, I was thinking of the real 1193 01:46:50.880 --> 01:46:54.439 I'm sorry, I was thinking of the real origin of Christmas in Rome. 1194 01:46:54.800 --> 01:47:00.760 Sorry? Sorry, right, that's similar I guess yeah, I can see 1195 01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:03.479 the similarity. It is. It was a band it was a banded holiday 1196 01:47:03.520 --> 01:47:06.479 for a long time. Uncle, there's a real weird history to Christmas. 1197 01:47:06.760 --> 01:47:12.000 Anyway, Sorry, I didn't mean to do that. Festivus sidefeld. Sure 1198 01:47:12.079 --> 01:47:16.359 the show got nothing good? What's the deal with the coliseum? By the 1199 01:47:16.399 --> 01:47:26.000 way, people, we went to the shop shop and we tuned and took 1200 01:47:26.079 --> 01:47:30.319 some of Mike cons in with they come with the things. He retuned, 1201 01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:34.479 so we got some new ones. Take that, everybody, take that for 1202 01:47:34.720 --> 01:47:40.680 the for the show, for Sanday the Sword please, yeah, this Saturday 1203 01:47:40.840 --> 01:47:45.760 or we have a Saturday show. We're looking at things. Oh, the 1204 01:47:45.880 --> 01:47:49.159 VHS, the VHS and I'm talking you okay, okay, I'm sorry. 1205 01:47:49.199 --> 01:47:53.960 You went. You went to the you into the uh the the what do 1206 01:47:54.039 --> 01:47:58.199 they call that? Thrift? James? You went to the three door got 1207 01:47:58.239 --> 01:48:02.960 VHS tapes again, okay? And he bought new ones and took the cuds 1208 01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:09.800 that we watched send them in. So I'm getting that way I would get 1209 01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:15.600 more customers. If they get the tape, they'll see it, they'll call 1210 01:48:15.720 --> 01:48:19.960 it and they see the code boom instant show promote instant. That's it. 1211 01:48:20.119 --> 01:48:25.920 That's the wood instant, the promotion Chuck. So beware of them. Beware 1212 01:48:26.119 --> 01:48:30.159 of the VHS tapes put into the podcast cards. See he just we went 1213 01:48:30.640 --> 01:48:34.680 and he sent them in. You know, I thought around the Riverside, 1214 01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:39.359 California area, you may come across those. I thought of you the other 1215 01:48:39.439 --> 01:48:42.640 day, Uncle, because I saw that they were running Frosty no excuse me, 1216 01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:45.680 Rootolf the Red Nose Reindeer on TV. And I was thinking to myself, 1217 01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:48.560 what holiday specials? Since you guys bring up TV and signefilled, what 1218 01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:54.399 holiday special specials does Uncle recommend? And I was wondering if everybody on the 1219 01:48:54.439 --> 01:48:58.680 line wanted to recommend a holiday special to watch, Well, it's those tapes 1220 01:48:58.760 --> 01:49:04.439 we've been watching. To show them that's your Holiday's your holidays special to watch 1221 01:49:04.560 --> 01:49:12.600 the ship watch those tapes, then call up my number and you'll get my 1222 01:49:12.800 --> 01:49:18.560 co producer there. Fair enough, how that that's the column day special? 1223 01:49:19.600 --> 01:49:24.600 Fair enough? One morning. If anybody says anything about that Star Wars special, 1224 01:49:24.640 --> 01:49:27.119 You're going to hell. And I'm hanging up on yourself. That's the 1225 01:49:27.159 --> 01:49:31.319 way that is. But you don't like that the Star Wars spec. Oh 1226 01:49:31.439 --> 01:49:34.159 you don't know about it, Uncle, believe me, it's it's it's a 1227 01:49:34.199 --> 01:49:40.279 horror show, the one from the eighties. Right, Yeah, I haven't 1228 01:49:40.359 --> 01:49:44.000 seen it yet, so you don't want to jump in ahead, jumping ahead 1229 01:49:44.039 --> 01:49:45.279 of me, Chuck. No, they tried to listen. They've tried to 1230 01:49:45.279 --> 01:49:49.680 get rid of this thing for years. It's horrible. It's really movie itself. 1231 01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:53.720 All that was a TV show. You know what, if you can 1232 01:49:53.760 --> 01:49:57.079 get a copy of that, let uncle watch that and just film his reactions 1233 01:49:57.119 --> 01:50:00.119 to it, because it's gotta beless. You gotta look at it then, 1234 01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:03.920 because I haven't seen it. That's one that if we aired I feel the 1235 01:50:04.119 --> 01:50:09.720 copyright claims bite actually start coming in when if we aired that on a live 1236 01:50:09.800 --> 01:50:12.760 stream, they might be like, you're not allowed to watch this without legal 1237 01:50:12.840 --> 01:50:17.840 repercussions. Cease and desist, bare minimum. Maybe probably maybe you could put 1238 01:50:17.880 --> 01:50:20.399 headphones on him, put him in front of it, and turn the thing 1239 01:50:20.479 --> 01:50:23.960 on him and just be like, this is just the reactions. We can't 1240 01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:28.800 show you that. I'll do it that way. Mom won't be put on 1241 01:50:28.960 --> 01:50:31.840 on my my thing then, because I don't want something like that on my 1242 01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:35.680 thing. You gotta be careful with these shows. Oh, I didn't know 1243 01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:39.279 that. I didn't know that, Okays, all right, I don't think 1244 01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:45.039 that tape we watched about hummingbirds that the copyright owner is gonna come after that. 1245 01:50:45.159 --> 01:50:47.960 So no, no, no, because that's that's a learning experience about 1246 01:50:48.079 --> 01:50:53.680 looking at boods. We all learned, like your payments do exactly Blake. 1247 01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:57.039 What's the best holiday special out there? Yeah? What is special? Holiday? 1248 01:50:58.680 --> 01:51:01.159 Root off the red nose rain deer in the Island of Mistic Toys. 1249 01:51:02.199 --> 01:51:08.439 Oh yes, I've seen that many times when I was small. Those are 1250 01:51:08.560 --> 01:51:15.079 the ones that I've been watching EMI almost when I watched when I'm small, 1251 01:51:15.720 --> 01:51:20.399 EMI year, I watched them main one. There was another one though, 1252 01:51:21.840 --> 01:51:30.720 with the snow Master. He was going on and and and his brother was 1253 01:51:30.920 --> 01:51:34.239 the son. Was that the Jack Frost thing where there's the guy with the 1254 01:51:34.319 --> 01:51:39.600 red hair, he's he becomes Santa? Right? Is that what that's called? 1255 01:51:39.880 --> 01:51:45.000 That? It's the similar animation to you Cornelius or whatever shows up that 1256 01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:47.119 that one, well, that's Rudolph. But then the other one, I 1257 01:51:47.279 --> 01:51:50.319 must have been made by the same production company. But the but the but 1258 01:51:50.560 --> 01:51:59.640 the mother or the grandmother said stop, it says stop you brother's you hot 1259 01:51:59.800 --> 01:52:03.079 co old hot cold hot cold? Yes, hot cold, Yeah, it's 1260 01:52:03.159 --> 01:52:05.119 that one. Do you call the name of that one? Blake. Do 1261 01:52:05.159 --> 01:52:10.960 you know that one Blake Hot and Gold. Yeah, and I know those 1262 01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:18.119 well they had they handed on a holiday special. It's called sink Handles Special. 1263 01:52:18.359 --> 01:52:21.199 You know what it was, you know what it was? This guy 1264 01:52:21.359 --> 01:52:29.600 wanted the little guy was learning to be a tooth me fixing his deck. 1265 01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:36.479 No, that wasn't Rudolph's d dentist. He's an elf and he's a bit 1266 01:52:36.560 --> 01:52:44.319 of a misfit himself as Yes, And wasn't it when that big monster though, 1267 01:52:44.920 --> 01:52:48.039 Yes, what was the big month vomitable snowman? Yeah, yeah, 1268 01:52:51.079 --> 01:52:59.720 yeah, that was yeah, that was it was that blake to The monster 1269 01:52:59.840 --> 01:53:02.439 had toothache, that's why he was so mean, and the little bentist else 1270 01:53:03.840 --> 01:53:10.000 his tooth and then the monster became nice. Yeah. Yeah, it's this 1271 01:53:10.079 --> 01:53:14.279 stuff is and that's what that's what it was. This stuff is such a 1272 01:53:14.359 --> 01:53:15.640 blur to me. I blurre it all together. I can't. I can't 1273 01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:18.600 even sort it out in my brain. Well, that's it. It is 1274 01:53:18.840 --> 01:53:26.880 because I watched that one when I'm before I was doing this. Actually I 1275 01:53:27.159 --> 01:53:30.439 was watching those yes, no, yeah, they're good. I I love 1276 01:53:30.520 --> 01:53:35.199 stop action animation myself. Uh so I like those things. I always liked 1277 01:53:35.239 --> 01:53:40.960 the Rudolph Special. I actually like the California Raisins Christmas Special. I don't 1278 01:53:40.960 --> 01:53:44.720 know if anybody has caught that or remembers that. That too was stop motion 1279 01:53:44.840 --> 01:53:48.079 animation that they did actually a good job with that. If anybody remembers that 1280 01:53:48.239 --> 01:53:50.239 or saw that one, I think they got rid of a kid. I 1281 01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:54.119 loved it. I think they got rid of the California Raisins because it's like 1282 01:53:54.239 --> 01:54:00.920 now considered racist or something. I think, okay, racing the Raisins, 1283 01:54:04.760 --> 01:54:14.800 it's it's weird because they have certainly attributes kind of why are the California Raisins 1284 01:54:14.920 --> 01:54:20.640 being canceled? That bikes in the peat sakes, I went through a whole 1285 01:54:20.680 --> 01:54:24.880 thing looking at it on there reforms and debates about it and all kinds of 1286 01:54:24.920 --> 01:54:28.439 stuff where it's like, yeah, it's racist. I'm like, wow, 1287 01:54:28.760 --> 01:54:32.560 okay, dude, I'm an activist and sometimes people take themselves a way too 1288 01:54:32.680 --> 01:54:38.399 seriously. Yeah, like exactly, I mean really, I'm with you, 1289 01:54:38.760 --> 01:54:45.479 but I'm just saying it's just the thing that's happening. Well, I for 1290 01:54:45.760 --> 01:54:48.159 what it's worth, I always did like the California Raisins, even the commercials. 1291 01:54:48.239 --> 01:54:51.159 I was a kid, and again I liked animation. I thought it 1292 01:54:51.279 --> 01:54:55.119 was cool, and so you know, at the time, I liked it. 1293 01:54:57.439 --> 01:55:04.119 Jimmy, what about you on a Christmas specially you guys? Oh the 1294 01:55:04.279 --> 01:55:10.239 great. Well, I'll give you the best Christmas special. But first I 1295 01:55:10.359 --> 01:55:15.880 got a rule in a very popular movie. By just totally destroying the main 1296 01:55:17.000 --> 01:55:23.000 key tag line, you'll never think of the movie. Ever, it's the 1297 01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:27.159 same ever again. Hey, Chuck, remember that one time, many times 1298 01:55:27.239 --> 01:55:30.359 you were talking about how you used to pick up signals from New York, 1299 01:55:30.520 --> 01:55:36.720 probably w o R, and you'd hear DJ's that were body w o R. 1300 01:55:36.880 --> 01:55:40.479 Yeah, it was a TV and a radio. It was an AM 1301 01:55:40.600 --> 01:55:44.079 radio station and it was the TV station out of New Jersey w o R. 1302 01:55:44.319 --> 01:55:49.119 Yeah, all right. Do you remember hearing James Shepherd she Shepherd, 1303 01:55:50.319 --> 01:55:57.680 Yes, okay, well he's the guy that wrote the Christmas Story. But 1304 01:55:57.960 --> 01:56:02.319 in those nights shows, those late late night shows that you listen to, 1305 01:56:03.840 --> 01:56:09.239 when he was telling the story of one he was a kid. Let's just 1306 01:56:09.399 --> 01:56:15.560 say that that tagline you'll shoot your eye out was applied to a completely different 1307 01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:27.680 situation. You like that, No, well, you know what you should 1308 01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:31.439 tell that to missus? Oh? Because she loves that movie anyway. Yeah, 1309 01:56:34.359 --> 01:56:40.239 and the best how their movies die Hard? There you go. Yes, 1310 01:56:40.359 --> 01:56:45.199 yes, I watched that over and over too, but I've seen that. 1311 01:56:45.840 --> 01:56:50.800 I've seen the vengeance and whatever. What was the other one? Die 1312 01:56:51.079 --> 01:56:58.319 die harder and diehardiest? The one, the one I got kicked out WI 1313 01:56:58.600 --> 01:57:06.319 one Engines lately was when when this guy he was the Preen guy back to 1314 01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:14.159 computer operations, he was working them and he figured it out. And I 1315 01:57:14.279 --> 01:57:18.960 forgot what they called the movie, but his daughter, uh by Hunt and 1316 01:57:19.159 --> 01:57:28.600 the father uh die hard. The father Bruce Willis is his his daughter was 1317 01:57:28.680 --> 01:57:31.800 in it. And Ben, you should have heard the end of that one. 1318 01:57:32.880 --> 01:57:38.039 She mentioned some boo said, didn't they didn't They can't go there? 1319 01:57:38.279 --> 01:57:41.520 Didn't They recently revealed that Bruce Willis has like dementia or something. I mean, 1320 01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:47.279 oh my god, that there's dying Hard. Uh anyways, sorry, 1321 01:57:48.199 --> 01:57:55.600 that was well that this this that movie was very interesting. And and then 1322 01:57:55.640 --> 01:58:00.960 they said watch this boom the White House blew up. Everybody's going out. 1323 01:58:01.439 --> 01:58:06.600 Oh that goes on computers. Hey speaking speaking of the computers going down and 1324 01:58:06.640 --> 01:58:11.720 everything else. Guess what your time is over? Yeah? This is it? 1325 01:58:11.840 --> 01:58:15.039 So we gotta right, we hit the hour. I get That's what 1326 01:58:15.159 --> 01:58:17.560 I wanted to know. So why don't we go back to our oh right, 1327 01:58:18.319 --> 01:58:24.800 first guess was a guess. Yes, give us a shout now and 1328 01:58:25.079 --> 01:58:30.119 hopefully you hear us next year at the end of the show. Shout outs 1329 01:58:30.119 --> 01:58:32.399 before you head out, Blake, at the end of the show, we 1330 01:58:32.439 --> 01:58:35.720 always give people an opportunity to do shout outs in case you're not understanding what's 1331 01:58:35.720 --> 01:58:40.359 happening here. So obviously you are the first step down. I understand what 1332 01:58:40.439 --> 01:58:45.960 you. Also, shout out to my fellow Discordians out there doing great work, 1333 01:58:45.199 --> 01:58:50.520 and a shout out to my coworkers at Mimeo dot AI. Great working 1334 01:58:50.600 --> 01:58:54.840 with all of you. There you go, okank you, thank you, 1335 01:58:55.119 --> 01:58:59.800 Thank you for guests for tonight. I appreciate it. Yes, thank you. 1336 01:59:00.479 --> 01:59:01.800 And and also before you go, Blake, is there, do you 1337 01:59:01.840 --> 01:59:05.279 want to send out your social media handles or at place to find you as 1338 01:59:05.319 --> 01:59:09.640 well for the audience. Yeah, so you can find me at Cage and 1339 01:59:09.720 --> 01:59:15.319 Discordian the c A j U N B I S C O R B I 1340 01:59:15.680 --> 01:59:21.079 A m Cajun Discordians and you can find me either on Twitter or on medium. 1341 01:59:21.439 --> 01:59:27.159 With that name awesome. Good yeah, thanks again. It was great 1342 01:59:27.279 --> 01:59:30.600 having you know. It was so much fun speaking with you on both ours 1343 01:59:30.640 --> 01:59:32.880 SS so thanks a lot man. We appreciate interesting stuff on Medium. And 1344 01:59:32.920 --> 01:59:35.720 by the way, I put that link, I put the link to Blake's 1345 01:59:36.680 --> 01:59:40.840 what do you call it his Twitter handle there into the chatroom at O'Kelly dot 1346 01:59:40.880 --> 01:59:43.800 com, so you can just click on it and go visit them there right 1347 01:59:43.840 --> 01:59:46.640 away if you want, go follow them and all that on Twitter x whatever 1348 01:59:46.680 --> 01:59:51.359 the hell they're calling it. So there you go. I was asking such 1349 01:59:53.960 --> 02:00:01.199 crack crack room, the crack room of a creative Accidents is in Twitch and 1350 02:00:01.319 --> 02:00:04.760 then the Chellie chat. There's quite a bit going on over there. I 1351 02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:11.359 heard some noise in the e that's why. And we got to get a 1352 02:00:11.359 --> 02:00:15.239 shout out from Jimmy James. Oh yeah, Jimmy your Knights. Shout out 1353 02:00:15.279 --> 02:00:19.600 Jimmy, Jimmy, Well, shout out to you guys. Good guess, 1354 02:00:19.760 --> 02:00:25.000 good show. It's too bad that you'll be gone for a couple of weeks. 1355 02:00:25.079 --> 02:00:30.840 So next time we'll be back to the Friday scheme, which are you 1356 02:00:30.920 --> 02:00:36.239 going to predict good things from the Lions and more victories, which we would 1357 02:00:36.439 --> 02:00:44.319 talk about at that time. Everyone have a good one and how do you? 1358 02:00:44.640 --> 02:00:50.039 Oh? Happy Quanta? Take care, Jimmy great, have a nice 1359 02:00:54.840 --> 02:01:03.279 that reminds me of Bernie Mack in the movie Bad STANDA happy quanza. All 1360 02:01:03.359 --> 02:01:09.680 the holidays a lot. I'm going on now, tom Yes, we're gonna 1361 02:01:09.760 --> 02:01:15.560 be I hope you are ready for this. Yeah, a new guy talking 1362 02:01:15.600 --> 02:01:18.600 tomorrow night. Bet'll be ready for this? Get ready? And you you? 1363 02:01:18.920 --> 02:01:23.239 Oh me because the next thing, yes, you gotta look. I'll 1364 02:01:23.239 --> 02:01:26.479 be fine. Oh no, but depending on the drinks. Yeah, do 1365 02:01:26.560 --> 02:01:30.720 you remember to listen to uncles? New Year's Revolution New Year's Eves eight pm 1366 02:01:30.119 --> 02:01:33.680 Pacific, starting at eleven pm Eastern. We'll go for eight hours on our 1367 02:01:33.760 --> 02:01:38.159 Chili dot com. So be there once again. Eight hours. Hey, 1368 02:01:38.479 --> 02:01:42.319 whoa, whoa eight hours? You just said we're gonna go for eight hours? 1369 02:01:42.359 --> 02:01:43.920 Are you crazy? No? No, no, no, no no, 1370 02:01:44.000 --> 02:01:45.880 We're starting at eight pm Pacific. Yeah. Then you said we're gonna 1371 02:01:45.880 --> 02:01:51.640 go for hours. I swear we're going for four hours. Hours. Excuse 1372 02:01:51.720 --> 02:01:56.640 me, four hours. You're starting at eight is what he means. But 1373 02:01:56.760 --> 02:02:00.600 he said eight hours. I swear he just said eight hours. No he 1374 02:02:00.800 --> 02:02:06.319 can't. We will not Mike producer. I will hi, please Hammer, 1375 02:02:06.359 --> 02:02:13.680 don't hurt him. I won't. Four hours New Year's Eve, click on 1376 02:02:13.760 --> 02:02:15.720 a chilly dot com New Years. If you'll find us, we'll be there 1377 02:02:16.039 --> 02:02:21.399 exactly. It'll be easy Blake once again. Thanks man, it's great to 1378 02:02:21.439 --> 02:02:27.479 have you. We got great being here. That's fun. Yeah yeah, 1379 02:02:27.640 --> 02:02:30.760 that tod My was fun. Thank you very much. And then Uncle our 1380 02:02:30.840 --> 02:02:34.199 websites, Uncle the podcast dot com. Why don't you just bring us home 1381 02:02:34.239 --> 02:02:41.359 for a week. Uncle three hundred and nineteen m A zoo it is good 1382 02:02:41.800 --> 02:02:42.279 bye, Bae,