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The following presentation is in thel Marvel
Studios Production. Welcome back, fact hunters

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and fellow truth seekers from around the
world. We have a very very special

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podcast for you today. We're going
to skip the housekeeping and jump right into

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it. His name is John Kirwin, and he's author of the new book,

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The Conspiracy Theorists Survival Guide, a
guide book for persecuted Truthers. And

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I know we have had these conversations
during our many interviews. John has served

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in both full and part time ministry
as a worship leader and pastor for over

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thirty years. He is the founder
of Wake Up or Else PMA, which

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is eight c one online Christian fellowship
for the Truther community. He has close

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to five thousand subscribers and over one
hundred thousand hours worth of views. And

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remember, folks, as always his
links, YouTube, Rumble, his website,

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email, Twitter, all that information
and most importantly the link to his

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book on Amazon, which just came
out May fourth. I guess it's three

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months old today, and I'm sure
you guys will support it. It's a

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great message and he has been providing
insight into the truther's journey since twenty seventeen.

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Please help me. Welcome mister John
Kirwin. John, how are you

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doing today? Hey, I'm doing
great. Great to be with you,

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George. Looking forward to our conversation. Likewise, and congratulations on the book.

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It is a subject that is much
needed in the truth community. We

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had talked briefly before we hit the
record button, and one of the most

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divisive times of my fifty four years
on this earth was COVID and we literally

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saw family split and I told you
how flat Earth can be a sensitive topic,

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etc. So this is a much
needed book for the truth community.

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So before we get started, please
go ahead and introduce yourself to the listening

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audience. Yeah, this is great
because I think this topic is a little

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different than you know, as Truthers
were used to consuming a lot of the

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latest info on the matrix and how
we're bamboozled and what the Central Planners are

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up to. But I think there's
a big part of our journey, which

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is the mental, emotional, spiritual
impact of finding out about the matrix and

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then realizing your friends, your family
don't know it, they don't want to

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know it, and they don't want
you to know it, and this sets

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up some very difficult almost irreconcilable differences
that have caused a lot of us challenges.

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I think the problem is pretty much
universal. So this is this is

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a really important topic for us as
humans, and you know, managing our

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our emotional state, it's really challenging. One hundred percent. Would you mind

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sharing your journey to the truth with
the listeners? Yeah, of course.

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I guess was about twenty seventeen,
and I was just like everybody else,

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was happily married, at four kids. We were doing life at that time.

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I was a pattern day trader and
so being in and around financial stuff,

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I found out that the Federal Reserve
wasn't federal. That was sort of

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my entry point. So I realized
it was obviously fake and they were doing

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it on purpose, you know,
like Federal Reserve is not federal, but

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our federal express I mean, but
this was like a white building in Washington,

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and obviously it dawned on me that
this was purposely fake. And looking

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back, it's almost embarrassing now how
obvious these things are. But I think

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you'll understand we all have to start
somewhere because we're just sailing along, you

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know, we're all normies. We're
minding our own business. And it's sort

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of like God sneaks up behind us
and taps us on the shoulder and he

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says, you, who did you
notice that that's fake? Because why did

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it take my entire life to find
out you know that the boats don't go

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over the curve or the lunder Lander
looks like it's made of cardboard and curtain

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rods. Why did it take me
my entire adult life to figure that out.

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It's a mystery, but that's the
entry point that many of us come

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to. At some point we discovered
there's this one glitch in the matrix,

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like when Neo saw the black Cat
and it glitched out, and and it's

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at that moment that we ask the
question, well, if that's not true,

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what else isn't true? Now I've
found I said that to myself.

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But as I've talked to so many
people over the last six years, I've

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talked to hundreds of people, and
your listeners are probably resonating right now,

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they're saying, yeah, yeah,
I've said that too. You start to

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question for the first time in some
way everything, and that is when you

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when you are converted, if I
could say it that way, that's when

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the normy becomes the truther when they
begin to ask that's not true? What

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else isn't true? Right? Right? So that that's my genesis of you

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know, this journey that we're all
on. It's and again, it's such

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an important subject and it resonates with
so many people because I can't tell you

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that the number of times I would
go down a rabbit hole just I'm pulling

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something out of the hat here,
Like you know, Larry was it Larry

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Silverstein? The guy who just happened
to get to take control of the Twin

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Towers in June of two thousand and
one and just happened to take out billions

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of dollars of insurance. And you
find that and as the truth or somebody

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who's seeking knowledge, you want to
share that, and you just with people

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who are not receptive. And I
think you actually have a chapter that that's

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entitled I'd rather not see, thank
you. Whether it's cognitive dissonance or people

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just don't want to take the red
pill. They're comfortable in their life and

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they don't want it to be turned
upside down, which I've said many times

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in my personal journey, certain rabbit
holes I've gone down. It has and

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I've spent days and sometimes weeks walking
around in circles with my hands on my

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head saying what in the world it
has you know, how have I not

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seen this? And again, if
that is a lie, then everything else

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must be a lie. Yes,
exactly. And there's so many factors.

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It's really not one thing that keeps
us asleep. It's subliminal programming. It's

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modeling in the media of talking heads, chemicals in the food, in the

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air and the water of course,
trauma based mind control, all the Cavist

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stock stuff, and it's pride,
demonic spirits, curses from God. The

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Second Thessalonians, Chapter two curse says
that God sends delusion on those that are

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willfully ignorant. And then there's peer
pressure and the herd mentality, and you

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know, because the humans are very
tribal, so if you come to them

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with a conspiracy theory topic, just
pick one. It doesn't matter. It's

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not that you're just trying to get
them to accept your worldview. You're asking

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them to leave their tribe, which
is a huge ask, right, It's

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a big ask. So, but
the one that really I think controls a

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lot of us is the it's what's
called the reticular activation center. It's a

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part of our brain that filters out
everything that's inconsistent with our paradigms. So,

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for instance, the single mom sleeping
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Okay, the baby's right across from
her in the room, but outside are

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very loud car horns and sirens,
and she can sleep right through that.

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But as soon as the baby makes
a little noise, she wakes up.

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Her brain wakes her up. And
that's because that brain, the brain let

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that signal true. So until you
start to question the matrix, like the

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Truman Show is the greatest example of
this waking up process, you're not going

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to see it even when it's shown
to you, which is what we're all

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astonished at. How However, calcitrant
and just blind the people are. They're

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they're absolutely stubborn, no amount of
incredible proof. You know, I call

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it what I call the shock and
awe approach. Well, surely if I

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give them twenty examples, they'll they'll
see it. Nope, Nope. It's

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funny you talk about the Truman Show. In Hollywood, we talk about lies

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in the media and truth in the
Hollywood. Truth in Hollywood, excuse me,

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and I imagine the mockery and just
the folks at the top of the

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food chain sitting back and laughing at
us. As as I always say,

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we pay for our own end doctrination, whether it be through the movies or

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through our cable television bill. We
pay for our own indoctrination. And then

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even Hollywood people don't There's many people
out there who don't even understand the term

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holly wood is something that is used
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Yes, I'm glad you mentioned that
because these things that we see when

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we see like I'll use the Lunar
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shown that it only took me about
five minutes after you know, living my

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entire adult life like age fifty five, believing that when I saw it,

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I saw how absolutely ridiculous this thing
looks like it's made of cardboard, the

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cardboards buckling, it's got like it's
kurtain rods. There's scotch tape on the

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thing going down, and I'm thinking, this is this is so obviously not

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a spacecraft that they almost had to
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believe that's part of the incantations.
You mentioned incantations like a pinch of a

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dead man's grave and a pinch of
bat wing right in their in their formula.

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So what they do in these deceptions, I believe is they put obvious

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clues into the fakery, so that
if you'll accept those, that sort of

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gives the demons permission to sort of
enslave your volition, your mind, then

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we become assimilated. Like the board, it's a it's a, it's a.

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The matrix has a naturalistic component,
but it definitely has a metaphysical component

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for sure. Um kind of leaning
towards your book, I love how you

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open it up. You simply say
this book is for those who can see.

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And the one question that many of
us have once we get on this

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side, we take the red pill. And maybe we're a bit hypocritical at

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first because we're new to the truth. But the big question that you ask

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is why can't people see? And
again, there's many reasons for it that

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we've discussed, but one of the
big problems that you address in the book

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is, I guess, once you
can see, for lack of better words,

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it does bring a sense of freedom
to people, right and it brings

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a lot of people closer to God, but it does throw another wrench in

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people's life, specifically when people within
relationships don't see eye to eye, when

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you have one a spouse who is
awake and can see and another one who

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not only doesn't, but like gets
irritated when somebody brings that up. And

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I'm sure there's a ton of people
listening right now that are going through that

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one hundred percent. I think everybody
knows, like when you're a normy,

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you know what conspiracy theory is how
they're treated. In fact, in that

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very first page or two, I
mentioned a passage from the Book of Leviticus

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that talks about how God told them
the lepers had to cry out unclean,

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uncleaned, so nobody would come near
them. And so the Central planners have

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been excellent at programming this type of
viewpoint with the term conspiracy theorist, which

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is a nineteen sixty seven bulletin that
went out by the CIA that had these

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different talking points to try to quell
the folks that were questioning the JFK assassination.

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And of course that's where this term
conspiracy theorist was introduced, and it's

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a character assassination term. It's designed
to shame you into silence. It means

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a lot of things. It means, well, if I say, well,

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that's a conspiracy theory, what that
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you're saying is true. I believe
you should be ashamed for even bringing it

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up, because only crazy people talk
about those things, and I don't want

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you to ever bring it up again. It's all of those things that are

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wrapped up in this term. So
if you're confronted with becoming one of those

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people, it doesn't take much effort
to realize, you know what you would

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be getting into. You're basically going
to invite persecution. So a lot of

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people know that and they just are
like, no, thanks, Yeah,

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And that is certainly a very frustrating
thing and something that many of us deal

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with. I want to talk a
little bit about the controllers. We use

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different terms. Controllers is one of
them. They listen, they do have

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technology that is pretty amazing, even
simple things like WiFi, something that we

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couldn't even have fathoms and like say
the eighties, and other types of technology.

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But I think their most powerful weapon. And I could go on and

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on about it, but it's simple, and Satan is the master of it.

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And that's deceit, and that goes
into the most of the rabbit holes.

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It's mostly about deceit and to keep
us, I guess, in control,

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for them to control us. You
know where I'm getting at. Yeah,

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yeah, so, but just formulated
question, give me, give me

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a little bit more to so I
can respond like you want me to.

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So the world, the controllers,
the folks that are actually behind this,

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and whether you want to say it's
the Rothchilds or Rockefellers, they use all

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these weapons, whether it's COVID,
the moon landing, all these lists,

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all the conspiracies. I think for
two reasons for population control. I do

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think the very first general order,
whatever you want to call it. On

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the Georgia guidestones. You can look
at the vaccines. They're all to keep

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population control down. But the second
most important, this is a war of

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good against evil, and I think
their most powerful tool out of all of

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them is deceit. And you can
look into the Bible where Satan, you

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know, tempted Jesus for forty days
and forty nights in the desert and he

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even said you can have all this, So I think that lends credence to

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the fact that this is Satan's realm, and just kind of nodding to the

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fact that I think how important deceit
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tool of control. Excellent, Okay, now, now I understand where you're

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going, all right, So yes, I've noticed that they go to great

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lengths to get us to participate.
They can't do They're not all powerful.

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Satan is not all powerful and has
emissaries on Earth are not all powerful,

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so they do have to use deceit
coercion to get us to participate. So

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a good example is the mask mandates
were only possible because of acquiescence, because

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people went all right, and and
so this whole move towards what has talked

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about in the Book of Revelation,
that the new world order, the one

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world system where the economic, religious, infinity acial systems or government, political,

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economic, and religious systems are all
combined. We see that uncloaking require

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deception to pull it off. And
you saw this with the League of Nations

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back in the time when they tried
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Many of the churches at that time
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so they talked about end times stuff, and because of that, the population

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saught for what it was and rejected
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lane that I'm in is I've been
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for the last six years. That's
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one trick pony, and I go
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but so I'm very keyed into the
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with truth, and so now it's
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responses. Um. Yeah, that
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it is, and that is a
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that I get in emails and when
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um, I guess how they look
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the description of Genesis, how that
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was talking but not maybe biblical cosmology
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Right, the Bible is absolutely a
supernatural book. It's a it's a

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it's a chronicling of God's supernatural interactions
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it, but then when these supernatural
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beauty, it's a it's a phenomenon, they slept it off like it's you

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know, crazy stuff. So the
deception piece, though, is really an

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important piece because it's the centerpiece of
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If you look it up in the
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factual. And what is factual in
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very obvious, the problem that we
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they don't It's not that they don't
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to know. They love their happy
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And this is a buzz kill.
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in mostly are bad news. And
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I've been told I don't know and
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that leaves the truther with their nerve
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all worked up, right, because
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Like the Truman Show guy he finds
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and the whole city that lives in
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unimaginable for him to find that out
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his life the way he had,
right. So the Truther this, listening

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to this is ruined for life as
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I said, Honey, I got
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can't. I can't do life like
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couldn't comprehend that paradigm shift that I'd
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and I'm sure your listeners can relate
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much compassion for you as if they
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It goes from the idea that they
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to know, so they don't ask
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they don't want me to. They
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I might start talking about something crazy. Yes, So it's very isolating,

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you know, if you're a Truther, you're probably walking the lonely road,

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no question. And I used to
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would gather on me and I'd make
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the pool parties, people just disappear
and walk up here it comes crazy uncle

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George. Yep, yep. And
and it's very frustrating because we're right and

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they're wrong. Like being very direct
about that. Yeah, you are correct,

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Truther. Congratulations, great job,
You're awesome. Okay, because if

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you're taking it on the chin so
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the voice of encouragement to you.
You're not crazy. The things that you

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see, we all see them too. We're with you. You're not alone.

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only the only one that is questioning
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call a death to truth or algorithm. It's part of the programming to strike

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out at you and use shaming techniques
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It's very universal and so it's very
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and you dare open your mouth about
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difficult conversation, you're going to get
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in the book. It's broken up
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part of the book is inside the
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breaks down what makes you tick.
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of normies, and it's like,
why do they attack us? And you

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know, how do you deal with
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of us have struggle. We really
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especially over the last three four years
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I've had YouTube channels obliterated, on
and on and on. But I

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always say, if you're catching flak, you're probably over the target. Indeed,

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thirty because of people like us.
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all powerful and they have to get
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they are scared of the truth or
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of us. So it's kind of
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fighting. Yeah, I think it
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girl goes, if you don't stop, they're going to kill you. And

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he had the greatest comeback. He
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all men live. And that's the
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going next. I'm looking right at
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men die, but not all men
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because that is something I started to
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end of twenty twenty one into twenty
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grocery store and still people would be
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each other. Somebody sneezed people to
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combat. And I would often say, I was like, people are so

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worried about dying that you have forgotten
how to live. And so many people

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just took three years of their lives
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yep. It was. It was
incredible to stand back as a Truther because

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we're accused of living in fear a
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watched all of the people follow Fauci
and the voices on TV follow them right

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into fear where they were all wearing
their masks and lining up. And I

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had the same experience where people would
get upset if you didn't social distance,

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and I refused to cooperate. I
was always getting in trouble. You know,

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you're the perfect person to ask this
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about it. You being a pastor
for as long as you have, how

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you felt when you saw all the
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Yeah, there was very few that
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down in Florida got arrested, and
there was some other few, but it

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was a handful that stood up and
said, hello, you know, God

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can heal us. Hello, We're
not afraid of bugs. Like Psalm's ninety

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one, he that dwells in the
secret place of the most pishal abide under

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the shadow of the Almighty. I
will say of the Lord, he is

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my refuge and my fortress, my
God, and whom I trust. Surely

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the noise and pestilence and that will
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all of that is we're being asked
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follow the white coat Freemason scientism guys
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Canada. I can't remember his name,

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but they're they're about to put him
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because he refused to bow the knee. And so the pastors universally lined up

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behind the talking points of the plandemic, the scandemic and had shoes broken up.

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So there was you know, a
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separating all the other pews. Everybody's
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we're looking back as Christian truthers,
and we're thinking, you know, maybe

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one or two, but not ninety
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that's exactly what we saw, even
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egregious. Yeah, and by the
way, let's press the pause button as

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truthers, and not to say I
told you so, not to put it

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on them, but on us.
Good job. Okay, this was validation

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extraordinaire. Okay, because we were
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you become a truther, excuse me, you start to perceive the danger that's

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you know, operating under the radar. So you know, now the red

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glove of tyranny has come off the
velvet glove, right, But back then

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it was ridiculous to suggest that the
people in charge weren't you dead right,

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So now we're telling that story and
we're being told we're obsessed and we're crazy

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and shut up a house. And
then but now you've seen this thing rolled

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out. It's basically, they operationalize
theirugenics program and we're validated. We are,

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we are totally vindicated. But don't
expect any apologies because somehow they'll they'll

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spin it like, no, it's
normal to talk about these things, of

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course, And and speaking of normalizing
things, it's it's egregious how they're trying

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to normalize. Oh, twenty year
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What are you talking about? Wow? Isn't that amazing that this stats

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on that are so obvious? And
yet again it's it's this whole idea that

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you don't want to know. And
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end days going to be like?
And the one he keyed in on,

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out of all the things that Jesus
could have pointed to to describe what the

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end days will be like, he
said this, it will be like the

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days of Noah. They will be
eating and drinking and given in marriage right

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up until the time the flood came. To think about that, he said,

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the normies will continue to be normies
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what's going on. I saw Got
the other day. I was like,

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wow, that is a that is
a truth or scripture. Right, there's

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powerful. If that's not a key
for everybody to take their television to throw

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it out their window, I don't
know what is right. One more question

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before I get back to your book
and a word you coin, which is

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very interesting, but we were just
talking about the Truman Show. I often

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say that I think very little of
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including everything from pop culture to politics, to everything that's a part of us.

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Would you agree or how much of
our society, our culture, of

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our world is actually organic. When
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fake not Yeah, exactly, like
everything from we are the world to hands

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across America to the elections, just
just everything that is a part of our

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day to day society. That's a
fascinating question. Excuse me, I just

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need a little drink of water here. Yeah, no worries it's that time

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of here we are talking with By
the way, John Kerwin, author of

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the book The Conspiracy Theorists Survival Guide, a guidebook for persecuted truthers that is

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available on Amazon and it is available
on paperback and kindle, and the links

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will be in the show description.
Make sure you go check that out and

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support John. Thank you. And
that's a great question. This is something

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that I've been really praying and thinking
about in our community. In the truth

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or community, we are very suspicious
generally, and I think sometimes we overthink

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or overcomplicate what we're seeing. So
for instance, what I'll hear everybody's a

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shill. Anybody that's out in the
public domain, especially high up in the

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power structure, if they're up there, they're a shill. Well, is

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that really true? Like how much
of the people, like, for instance,

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do you think JFK who was assassinated
was a shill? Most people would

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say no, because they killed them. So that I point to that as

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an example of somebody that came out
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enemy of the deep state in a
sense, and they killed them for so

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Having said that, it's very difficult
for us as truthers unless you have a

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relative that's high up in the power
structure giving you intel, or you have

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military contexts. All we have are
people like you, George, and then

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other people myself and different truth or
journalists, and then we have to kind

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of triangulate. If I hear the
same thing from four or five different people

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that I've listened to for years and
I trust, then I can sort of

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form my worldview based on that.
Right, But none of us really know,

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George, how absolutely bizarre and deceived
we are. I think it's more

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to come exactly. That is an
ongoing question that will continue to ask ourselves.

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For sure, you coin the term
official dumb, which I really like

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it. You kind of mentioned if
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you and believe in conspiracy theories?
And you're probably walking a lonely road,

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and you touch on that phrase a
bit in your book and you talk about

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how it's cast a spell, and
could you kind of elaborate on how you

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believe official dumb has cast a spell? Yes, And it was during the

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conversation I had with one of my
kids and they said, Dad, I

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wish you were just normal, and
maybe some of your listeners have had that

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told to them in different ways as
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I went and I looked up what
the term normal means, and what it

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means is conforming to a standard,
usual, typical expectant, and I was

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like, Wow, that's really telling. But when I looked up the term

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conform, then I realized this was
probably one of the greatest revelations that I

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got in my research over the last
six years. Is the definition of normal

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or to conform, it means to
comply with the rules. So when you

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become a truther, what are you
doing? You're starting to question the rules.

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You're starting to question the official story, the officialdom, the narrative that's

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coming out of the media, and
the pharmaceutical industry and the military industrial complex.

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All of that messaging is all controlled. And so when you start to

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question that, then your friends and
family see you as having fallen in with

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a bad crowd. They see you
as going rogue or becoming like criminal,

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almost especially if you're like me.
I've become an American state national, We've

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reputated our fourteenth Amendment status, and
those are those are things that the normy

405
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.480
just freaks out about. I mean, they just think you have gone off

406
00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:06.440
the rails, and so that whole
spin where they try to create this atmosphere

407
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:12.920
of decorum and respect, where you
kind of brainwashed into passivity, where you

408
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.800
stop questioning, well, hate or
love Trump. One of the things that

409
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:20.239
I saw him do, which I
had never seen in my life, was

410
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:25.440
he came out in these press conferences
and he began to talk like we would

411
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:31.440
talk, and he would confront them
head on and say the most incredible things

412
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:37.639
like like, you know, you're
not very you're not your your ratings are

413
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:43.199
extremely low, and you're not really
honest, are you. No, no

414
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:46.760
real leader had ever done anything like
that before. And what he did for

415
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:52.039
millions of people is for the first
time, he broke the spell that that

416
00:35:52.239 --> 00:36:02.039
officialdom spell that was cast where we
saw these news people like in the press

417
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:07.079
room or we're in a press conference, we saw them as legitimate. But

418
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:13.599
after he devastated that that picture of
them, we began to see them for

419
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:20.639
what they really are, as highly
trained operatives with an agenda to enslave humanity.

420
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.599
I mean, they all should be
hung for treason. Yeah, we're

421
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:28.199
in a war with an attractable enemy, and that's what truthers have realized,

422
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.559
and then your spouse or your children
and your friends, they're just fun,

423
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:35.880
fun seasons in the sun. They're
planning the next vacation. They're chasing the

424
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:39.719
dollar and the next thrill ride.
And you've gone from living on a on

425
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:44.480
a cruise line, you're living on
a battleship. Now you're on a war

426
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:52.440
footing. And you can't reconcile those
two worldviews. They're opposite. Yeah,

427
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:54.960
and I will tell you not to
turn it into a Trump episode, but

428
00:36:55.000 --> 00:37:00.639
I had so many. I was
on team Trump, and then some things

429
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:04.760
he did were very positive. Some
things he did as far as draining the

430
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.519
swamp, was more questionable. And
it's just this up and down thing.

431
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:13.920
One thing I think we can all
agree on is this country has certainly been

432
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:15.559
hijacked. And I don't think it's
anything new. I think it goes back

433
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:20.920
to nineteen thirteen. You know,
the day they created the FED. What

434
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:23.440
is it, December twenty third,
nineteen thirteen. That was the beginning of

435
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:29.159
the end of this country where we
really you know, the rothschild say that

436
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.000
I don't care who your president,
It's as long as whoever controls the money

437
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:37.920
it controls the country, and man, when you can't even make the interest

438
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:39.760
payments, like we struggle to make
our annual interest payments, and we're about

439
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:43.800
to get thirty three trillion dollars in
debt. We're living in a wild,

440
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:47.280
wild world, and it should be
nice to have somebody at the top of

441
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:52.079
the food chain address the real problems, which are the Federal Reserve getting rid

442
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.599
of all and I mean all of
the three letter agencies giving the Department of

443
00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:00.360
Education back to the States. We
have so many problems, and it's like

444
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:05.480
being in a car accident and the
car's total. I think we're beyond reproach

445
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:09.159
as far as fixing it. I
think you kind of read the second paragraph

446
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.639
of the Declaration of Independence, and
you know, if it's beyond reproach,

447
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:19.599
you may have to start over.
What are your thoughts on that? Indeed,

448
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.639
I mean even just to fall upon
the Trump observation. I remember the

449
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:30.039
night he announced his victory, and
then right in that speech, his whole

450
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.119
campaign was lock her up, talking
about Hillary, and then he said,

451
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:40.400
oh, well, she's not such
a bad per really, So you know,

452
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:45.840
a lot of us were hopeful because
he did incredible things that no one

453
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:51.800
had ever done. But then when
he doubled down on the vacks. I

454
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:52.880
mean for a lot of us,
that was the last straw. That was

455
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:59.280
too much. So yeah, that
was very disappointing. And then that I

456
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.320
just saw mame today that said,
you know, twenty seventeen, lock her

457
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:07.440
up in twenty twenty and lock us
up. Speaking to the lockdowns, you

458
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:15.440
know, nobody's coming to save us. No, but manning these posts like

459
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.480
myself, I mean, I've lost
everything. I didn't mention this, but

460
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:22.599
my wife divorced me after twenty four
years of marriage four ten. I'm sorry.

461
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:28.360
I was happily married and and it's
over the last six years, I've

462
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:36.320
literally personally indirectly corresponded with probably close
to two hundred people. I've interacting with

463
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.039
thousands, tens of thousands, but
two hundred directly that have told me they

464
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:44.760
were divorced by their spouse because they're
truth or now, as a word of

465
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:49.559
encouragement, if you've gone through that, or if you're in a marriage that

466
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:54.519
is vacuous and you're miles apart,
ninety nine percent of the time, it's

467
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:59.360
not you. Because I was questioning, man, am I just too mock

468
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:00.559
five of my hair on a fire. Is it just me? No?

469
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:06.360
Because think about it? Does the
truth? Third ever, go to the

470
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.280
normy and say, if you don't
talk to me about these crazy things,

471
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:12.760
I can't have a relationship with you. Do we do that? Of course?

472
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:16.880
Not? No, no, But
what does happen? And I talk

473
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:22.000
about this in chapter six is the
three stages of rejection, And in the

474
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:27.320
third stage, it gets to the
point where you're given what I call shut

475
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:32.679
up or else orders. You're told
I was told this by my wife and

476
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:36.840
most of my kids, all of
my kids in one way or another,

477
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.199
Dad, if you talk about crazy
things, I can't have a relationship with

478
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:47.239
you. Well, when you find
out about the Federal Reserve is in federal

479
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.639
and you start turning over rocks,
it's like everything's crazy. So I actually

480
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.639
made a list and it's in the
book. It lists, Okay, because

481
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:59.199
they don't tell you what crazy is
like, they'll tell you I don't want

482
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:01.639
to talk about crazy things, but
they never tell you what they would consider

483
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:06.920
crazy. Sort. I made a
list and it's two pages and it's basically

484
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:12.639
everything. It's everything. And so
when you're when your friends and family tell

485
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.559
you that, they're basically telling you
that they don't want to have a relationship

486
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:19.760
with you. Yeah, and that
that that is tough. I've lost a

487
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.119
lot of friends, I will tell
you that. But my immediately family,

488
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:27.960
I'm very blessed. My wife is
on board, and the rest of my

489
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.239
family just tolerates it. I guess, and yeah, we've come to the

490
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:35.440
mutual understanding. I don't bring it
up, and uh, well it's a

491
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:37.800
one sided deal. I guess.
I don't bring it up and they're happy.

492
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.719
I guess that's the deal, um, and so be it. Um.

493
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.880
Here we have the mantra. We
leave breadcrumbs instead of trying to shove

494
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.199
it down their throats, and I
think that has been more successful for me

495
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.719
when if it's there's something I want
to share, I'll leave breadcrumbs and if

496
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.639
they're motivated enough that it interests them, then they go down the rabbit hole

497
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:59.440
themselves. Because I think it goes
back to the old mantra. You can

498
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:00.800
lead a horse to the water,
but it's up to them to drink it.

499
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:07.440
Absolutely, and I advocate maintain what
do whatever you have to do without

500
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.840
compromising your integrity too much. To
maintain your marriage and your friendships, you

501
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:16.480
don't want to sacrifice that on the
altar of truth unless you're forced into it

502
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:28.159
where you're given that ultimatum. But
the the what you're asked to do is

503
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:34.599
basically to pretend that you believe like
they do by being silent for the rest

504
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:39.159
of your life. That's what you're
required to do. And that's not something

505
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:45.480
that I would impose on my spouse. I would not require that of them,

506
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:52.719
So it's very unfair. Truthers feel
very misunderstood, definitely disrespected, and

507
00:42:53.840 --> 00:43:00.440
reject it. Those are the primary
emotional states that we have to carry.

508
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:06.199
I think the thing that frustrates us
most as truthers is when we got to

509
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:07.719
have a conversation with somebody. Let's
just pull one out of the air.

510
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:12.760
Let's say Oklahoma City, okay,
and you try to explain to someone that

511
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:15.519
that was an inside job, the
ATF was involved. People ninety five percent

512
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:20.559
of people will blindly say you're crazy. But if you ask them questions about

513
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:23.480
the incident itself, they can't answer
any of the questions with zero knowledge.

514
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:28.199
They'll defend nine to eleven, they'll
defend Oklahoma City, and we could go

515
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.960
on and on and on. We
have the facts. They don't even know

516
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:37.639
one tenth of the story, even
in many cases the actual propagated story by

517
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:43.320
mainstream media, and that in itself
when you and these are the people that

518
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.159
champion scientism and listen to the you
know, the people who have done all

519
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:51.360
the studies. Most of the people
who get behind a microphone, we've taken

520
00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.880
the time or to even you don't
have to be behind a microphone to come

521
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:57.480
out and talk about these things.
We've done the studies, we've done the

522
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:02.079
research, but people still vehemently defend
things without any knowledge of what they're defending.

523
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:09.039
Of course, it's an absolutely universal
and at the core of that what

524
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:15.239
makes you tick Truther is integrity.
Integrity is what drives you to be able

525
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:20.440
to see and to want to see
because human beings are given a conscience.

526
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:23.079
Okay, it's the devil on one
shoulder and the angel on the other.

527
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:27.239
Don't do that, George, yeah, George, do it right. Yeah,

528
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.760
So we all have that. It's
an eight. It's automatic. So

529
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:34.320
what happens is, let's say you're
a Normy and I'll use the moon landing

530
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:39.280
as a archetype of any conspiracy.
Okay, moon you find out the moon

531
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:45.039
landing is fake for the first time. The moment you see that and you

532
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:52.679
come to that conclusion, your conscience
is activated. Okay. In other words,

533
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:57.280
what you sense is that this is
true. Okay, the fact that

534
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.119
you've been lied to is a lie, and the fact that this is fake

535
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:06.000
is true, and your conscience is
bothered. Right, you're vexed by that.

536
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:12.960
Okay now. But then what happens
is then this aspect of integrity is

537
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:16.559
then introduces itself. Integrity steps in
and says, okay, well, what

538
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:21.519
am I going to do with this? Because you can silence your conscience,

539
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:24.639
or you can obey your conscience.
You can go with the devil, or

540
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:30.920
you can go with a little angel. So what integrity says to you is,

541
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.760
it doesn't matter where the truth takes
me, because it's the truth.

542
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:44.639
So you essentially honor truth above the
consequences of going down that path. And

543
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:50.239
so at the very core of the
Normani's ideals are what I call the happy

544
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:58.559
life. They value their happy life
over the truth, and so they're willing

545
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.880
to basically have a true truth abortion. And so that's why when you go

546
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:05.280
to them and you're like, look
at this, look at this, and

547
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.679
you just think you're gonna overwhelm them
with facts, and they're gonna flip no,

548
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:12.719
no because they're fending it off.
I'll give you a perfect example.

549
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.239
All right. So if I'm home
and I get a knock on the doors

550
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:20.679
the police, and the police come
and they say it's just your son so

551
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:24.559
and so, Yes, okay,
well we're here to arrest him for murder,

552
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:29.159
and I would say what I would
say, You've got the wrong house,

553
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.480
all right, And then they give
him a social media so they say,

554
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.440
no, it's him, and I
go, it's not him. There's

555
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:39.800
no way, and they say,
well, we have proof, okay,

556
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:44.840
And this would be my response,
I don't care what proof you have.

557
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:50.840
I know my son, and so
you won't look at the proof, You'll

558
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:54.079
say, I'll have to talk to
him myself. So when you confronted with

559
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:59.920
the moon landing being fake or whatever
it is, what's coming up in your

560
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:07.000
soul is that you would have to
be really stupid to have been faked out

561
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:08.519
by that your whole life. So
first of all, you've got to overcome

562
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:14.320
your pride issue, and then you've
got to overcome the fact that you're going

563
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:19.039
to be persecuted because they're persecuting you, ye so they know, they know

564
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.559
what they're going to get if they
join your little posse, right, yea,

565
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:28.239
yeah, So you know there's all
of these all of these voices going

566
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:32.159
off in their heads simultaneously that are
the opposite of what integrity is telling them

567
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:36.039
to do. Follow your conscience,
It's true, and you know it.

568
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:38.599
And well I see that all the
time when I'll sit down with a pastor

569
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:44.039
and we'll talk about Bible changes,
man, that'll effect and they get them

570
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:47.920
all wrong. And then I can
see that they're lying to themselves though,

571
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:53.000
and they just don't care because they
don't want to go there. Yeah,

572
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:57.880
that's that's that's the key. They
just don't want to go there. And

573
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.800
that leads to something that's very personal
to me. When I got to this,

574
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:06.679
this is something I wrestled with every
day. I was a career soldier.

575
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.639
Everyone in my family going back to
the Civil War served the country,

576
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:14.639
and most of us in combat as
well. Um I was in during nine

577
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:16.840
to eleven and I was in Iraq
for fifty one months, I mean,

578
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:21.599
four and a half years of my
life over there, and many of us

579
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:27.679
knew what was going on, and
to this day, I'm shocked that that

580
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:30.960
George W. Bush and his henchmen, you know, are free and we're

581
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:36.599
not held accountable. And we talk
about the term patriot, and you talk

582
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:40.599
about the term patriot in your book
about a marine you knew, and I

583
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:46.000
think the word patriot, and not
to be insulted to anyone, but you

584
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:51.840
know, there's people on social media
who called themselves patriots for for tweeting certain

585
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:55.599
things or for putting out maims,
and people give themselves digital purple hearts.

586
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:04.719
You know, I'm trying to put
this the right way. We all know

587
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:09.119
that, Okay, So I think
it's important that we have a military.

588
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:14.599
I'll succede to that, whether it's
it's militias or whatever. Otherwise I guess

589
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.280
we'd all be speaking Mandarin or Russian. However, the people at the top

590
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:22.599
of the food chain and what this
country has been used for going back to

591
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.840
World War One, I guess would
be the proper date. And again,

592
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.239
not to go off lane here,
but I don't think if we didn't have

593
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.800
the Federal Reserve, we would have
the funds for these world wars, so

594
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:36.360
that it always goes back to the
bankers. By the way, isn't that

595
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:43.039
funny? But I agree with you, whoever the military. Moreover, I

596
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.119
think the people who run the military
need to be put in the place,

597
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:51.039
and I think we as society ourselves
have to do a better job of holding

598
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:53.920
these people accountable before we just go
sending off our loved ones off to war.

599
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:59.119
Okay, I rac should have never
happened Afghanistan. We can go Vietnam,

600
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.239
we can go Desert, we can
go Korea, and we can even

601
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.360
debate about World War One. On
World War two, both presidents Wilson and

602
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:07.360
Roosevelt stood before the nation and said, hey, don't worry, your sons

603
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.800
aren't going to go to war.
And as soon as that election cycle happened,

604
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.679
well, they created these little false
flags and boom, off to war

605
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:21.079
we went. So even as someone
who was retired from the military, and

606
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.039
as soon as I retired, I
took I went down the rabbit holes because

607
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:27.760
I said, I knew there was
something wrong with nine to eleven. I

608
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:31.239
knew the war in Iraq was unjust, and I lived in the military.

609
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:34.960
With my moral compass, I can
still sleep at night. But the thing

610
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:39.400
I can't sleep at night with sometimes
is the friends that I lost over there.

611
00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:44.199
And then you see where the country
is today, and you think,

612
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:50.320
why in the world did they Why
were they sacrificed for this, for being

613
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:52.559
told if you don't take a vaccine, you're going to lose your job.

614
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:55.719
And for where we are as a
society today, that is what I wrestle

615
00:50:55.760 --> 00:51:02.079
with. Indeed, this is fascinating
because you're the first person that I've actually

616
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:09.239
talked to since I wrote the book. This particular chapter, this was a

617
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:17.800
very difficult chapter to write because it's
a very complicated issue. It's very vitriolic,

618
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:28.119
and I try to go overboard in
making certain that people understood the respect

619
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:31.440
and the honor that I have for
anybody that wears the uniform. And I

620
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:35.440
said, as long as man has
lived, there's been war. So it's

621
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.679
a very complicated subject. And really, until Christ returns, there's going to

622
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:44.199
be war. So absolutely, how
can you possibly enumerate all of the important

623
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:51.000
contributions that military personnel and the institutions
as a whole have contributed to society,

624
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:57.440
Because God in the beginning instituted three
institutions to order society, marriage, the

625
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:02.039
church, and government, and part
of that is military. Having said that,

626
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:09.119
though um, like I said,
I based my position on the Emperor

627
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:15.360
has no close idea where the kid
refuses to go along with everybody saying,

628
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:22.000
oh yeah, the emperor has this
beautiful robe and he's like hello, So

629
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.719
what was what was your sense when
you read that part? If you have

630
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:28.679
you read that part, because I
know you haven't read the whole book,

631
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:30.440
but oh yeah, I've I've read
that part, and I've I've talked about

632
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:35.719
it often. I don't hide to
that fact. I've said often that patriotism

633
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:39.840
is a hell of a drug.
Manum people were lined up on September twelfth.

634
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:43.880
I've buddies who were in in the
recruiting business in September of two thousand

635
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.280
and one. He said there was
lines around the corner to join the military.

636
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:51.519
And then in retrospect, when you
know that it was an inside job,

637
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:55.599
you truly realize, going back to
what I was saying earlier, how

638
00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:02.760
the controller's greatest weapon is to set
and they know exactly how to manipulate our

639
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:07.760
minds. Yeah, right, Like
I'm if I'm in a fast food restaurant

640
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:14.519
and I see the seventy eight year
old guy with the hat on that says

641
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:19.320
he's a World War two veteran,
I'm so conflicted. My heart breaks for

642
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:23.119
him because, in other words,
he's wearing that hat everywhere he goes because

643
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:31.519
to him that what he did,
his sacrifice, was the defining aspect of

644
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:37.760
his entire life. So if you
ask somebody what was the most important thing

645
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:39.960
you ever did to him, it
was in regima, it was you know,

646
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:44.840
what he did in the war.
But but you know, at the

647
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:49.159
same time, I know that all
wars are bank or wars, and we've

648
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:52.679
just been pressured into this belief that
you know, what do you mean you

649
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:59.039
don't support the troops. It's like
blasphemy to express anything but undying devotion.

650
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:01.559
And you get all tier eyed at
the football game when they march out the

651
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:07.519
latest recruits, and I'm like,
stop, stop this. This is why

652
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.280
this is continuing. It goes back
to the mask thing. We have to

653
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:15.719
stop participating in the lies if we're
going to push back the timetable, right,

654
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:21.400
And that's something I put across often
is we can beat them without firing

655
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:25.000
a bullet. We just stopped participating
in their games. Yes, walk away

656
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:29.519
from their society. And I do
want to hear more about what you had

657
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:34.760
mentioned about the fourteenth Amendment and what
you're doing there well, that's a whole,

658
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.920
you know. I remember saying when
I found out the different things that

659
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:45.280
I've come to find in this journey
of six years. And I remember,

660
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.760
like a three or four years ago, I think, I wonder what the

661
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:52.880
next shoe to drop is. And
I started finding out about this idea that

662
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:58.800
the governments are corporations. Well I
started looking it up. You can do

663
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.880
it yourself. You would have done
them Brad Street and look up your city,

664
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:07.000
your state, your county. Then
you can look up everything from the

665
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:12.480
district attorney's office, the court system, the police department, all the way

666
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:15.960
down to the dog catcher. All
of them are all of them haven't done

667
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:21.920
in Bradstreet. Number they're all privately
held for profit businesses. And that one

668
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:25.960
revelation is enough to start you down
this path. And so what that means

669
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.400
is they're de facto governments. They're
fake, they're pretending to be governments.

670
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:37.679
So the judge in your court case
is an employee of a privately held for

671
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:42.119
profit business. Okay, don't.
I don't have a contract with you.

672
00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:45.840
You're not God, you're not my
daddy, and I'm not your property.

673
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:50.920
So what right do you have to
tell me to do anything none. If

674
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:55.440
you remove yourself, if you remove
the contracts that you have been tricked into

675
00:55:55.480 --> 00:56:01.079
contracting with them with, then you
remove their ability to boss you around.

676
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:07.239
So, for instance, if you
go into a supermarket as a customer and

677
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:09.480
you're pinching the grapefruits right, you're
going to buy some fruit, and the

678
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:14.079
manager walks over and says, George, I need you to go over here

679
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.039
and sweep the floor and put those
boxes in the back room, and you're

680
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:20.400
like looking behind you, like,
wait, are you talking to me?

681
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:27.599
He has no jurisdiction to tell you
to do anything. However, if you

682
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:30.760
had come there several weeks prior and
said I'd like to work here, and

683
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:37.480
you filled out their job application and
we're hired, that was you agreeing to

684
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:43.320
be able to be bossed around.
So if I'm pulled over on the side

685
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:46.519
of the road by law enforcement,
which now are not law enforcement, their

686
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:52.199
police, their policy enforcers, then
what happens is if I've done the process

687
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:57.639
that I've gone through, I've extricated
myself from the contracts with his agency,

688
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:02.400
and he has as much jurisdiction over
me as the manager in the supermarket has

689
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:09.159
over and a customer, and it's
freedom. We have a process for becoming

690
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:15.719
a legal non taxpayer with the individuals
representing SATAN and this is a key right

691
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:20.079
here. We won't have to go
into this too much, but this is

692
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:22.360
one of the things you hear.
What do you mean the laws don't apply

693
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:27.239
to you? Well, no,
we don't believe that. But there is

694
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:32.880
a difference between statutes and laws.
So several Supreme Court cases like Flerndie v.

695
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:42.519
State National says a code or statute
is not a law Ray self versus

696
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:45.320
Ray Win. A code is not
a law. So there's all these Supreme

697
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:51.840
Court rulings that state very clearly a
code, a policy is not a laws.

698
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:58.400
So for instance, if I'm charged
with improper lange change, I don't

699
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:04.880
use my blinker, is there an
injured party involved? No? No,

700
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.199
no, And so Sharer v.
Cullen says, for a crime to exist,

701
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:12.719
there must be an injured party.
So in the absence of an injured

702
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:16.119
party, under common law, there
is no crime. So if you if

703
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:23.039
you understand that that improper lane change
citing is a code, it's not a

704
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:28.559
law. I haven't broken the law. I've violated one of your company's policies.

705
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:34.599
Okay, now having established that,
then you what you find out and

706
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:37.800
this is a brainwashing thing. This
is hard for people to accept, is

707
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:43.960
that statutes, codes, and rules
apply to citizens of the corporation, not

708
00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:50.519
American state nationals or freemen. So
yes, laws apply to me, but

709
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:52.760
like if there's an injured party,
I have to make them whole. But

710
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:58.480
your laws, your rules, the
supermarket rules don't apply to me. I'm

711
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:06.079
a customer. It's exactly the same
colonial pipeline v Tregel statutes apply only to

712
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:13.000
state created creatures known as corporations.
Period. So what happens is when you're

713
00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:16.199
born, they create a corporation in
your name, and they use your name

714
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:22.719
in all capital letters. It's absolutely
real and right. They get you to

715
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:28.039
stand in for that corporate fiction.
And so it's this really weird kind of

716
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.320
mental game they're playing. And what
you have to learn to do is you

717
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:35.480
have to learn to say, excuse
me, excuse me, I'm not your

718
00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.920
little corporation. I'm a I'm a
living person. And you have to start

719
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:44.599
playing their word games and get out
of it. And the key to this,

720
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:50.280
because I studied for probably six years
before I actually dove in and started

721
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:54.480
taking action because I saw people get
in trouble for you know, trying to

722
00:59:54.519 --> 01:00:00.360
pick a fight with the structure.
It's a big fight. Well, what

723
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:05.239
happens is I heard again I say, don't act like a king until you

724
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:08.039
are a king. That's my guy. Make sure you have your knowledge and

725
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:12.519
your ducks in a row. Well, that's it. You First. What

726
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:15.440
happens is a lot of people start
to learn the lingo and they think that

727
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:22.639
that's sufficient for them to uh,
you know, try to exert their rights.

728
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:25.400
But that what they don't realize is
they're still contracted with that guy.

729
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:30.360
So the manager of the supermarket has
every right to boss your own. Now,

730
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.440
you can still get around it,
but it's a lot harder. If

731
01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:37.840
you've got your paperwork done, then
it's very peaceful and it's very easy,

732
01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:45.320
and it's very very free not to
have to comply with all the stuff.

733
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:50.480
And you know they're free. It's
just it's incredible. It's not for the

734
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:52.440
Truth Committee. It's nice to flush
the parasite from your body, is what

735
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:59.920
you're saying. Oh boy, um, let me ask you just to follow

736
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.280
up to that. I've looked into
this a little bit. This isn't one

737
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:07.039
of the subjects that I've gone very
deep in. But does this tie back.

738
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:10.039
I've heard this mentioned several times.
Is the Organic Act of eighteen seventy

739
01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:15.719
one really what turned this country into
a corporation? Yeah, they basically just

740
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:20.039
mirrored it and they hijacked it.
And so there's two of everything. There's

741
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:23.639
the United States of America, which
is the organic Constitution, and then there's

742
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:30.760
United States all caps. There's there's
the United States post Office, and then

743
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:36.079
there's the Postal Service through two different
things. There's the IRS and then there's

744
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:39.559
the Internal Revenue Service. They're not
the same thing. So even in the

745
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:45.760
court systems, there's two courts.
At one time there were there were actually

746
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:49.360
two courts. There was civil law
and common law, and it was very

747
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:53.639
arduous, so they basically combined them. So but they still are both in

748
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:57.840
operation. So when you if you
go into court, let's say you're going

749
01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.760
to fight a speeding ticket or we'll
use the improper lane change as an example.

750
01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:07.199
If I actually went in the court, which I probably wouldn't even get

751
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:09.800
that far, but I if I
did, I would go in as a

752
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:15.519
plaintiff, not as a defendant,
and I would immediately convene my own common

753
01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:23.360
law court in basically claim my status
as a sovereign. This is what we've

754
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:28.639
we've been brainwashed out of, you
know, because they basically tag you with

755
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:34.159
three terms residence, citizen, and
person. And all of those three terms

756
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:38.239
don't mean what you think they mean. They're basically slave terms. And if

757
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:43.880
you use them, then they got
you like you're you're basically agreeing to their

758
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:49.239
scam. And so you have to
learn how to use the right terms.

759
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:52.559
And but you have to have your
documents to be able to show. Look,

760
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:57.199
I'm not in your game anymore,
and if you stop, if you

761
01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:01.039
keep messing with me, we're going
to Title eighteen, which is deprivation of

762
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:04.639
rights under caller of law. So
we just sue, you know, if

763
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:07.920
we have to. We start writing
toward claims because we're not playing and we

764
01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:12.119
still we're not in North Korea yet, we still have recourse, but not

765
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:15.199
yet. What they're doing now with
Trump, I mean, you know,

766
01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:21.199
I don't know if it's all stage
or what, but it's just it's definitely

767
01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:25.760
lawfare is used on good people.
We know that, oh one hundred percent,

768
01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:30.920
this is Bolshevik revolution type stuff that
they're doing right now. For sure,

769
01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:37.039
it's nuts. Why are true?
There's willing to lose everything, and

770
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:42.800
I think you covered it just now
by the way, that's you're very passionate

771
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.800
when you speak about that. Is
that something you're considering for a book getting

772
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:49.679
into the fourteenth and what we just
talked about not a book, But I

773
01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:53.360
do training every Monday night with folks
from my community on free conference call.

774
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:59.760
I'm not really on YouTube or anything
with that content just because I prefer not

775
01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:03.480
to broadcast that. Sure I understood
stuff, but I'm helping a bunch of

776
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:08.639
people that have gone with me into
that. I even started a done with

777
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:14.320
you outreach where folks get unlimited access
to me until their process is done for

778
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.559
you know, a donation because some
people just don't have a lot of time.

779
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:21.360
And that's a lot of a lot
of fun for me. I'm having

780
01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:28.719
more fun with that because the enslavement
on the front where you're a corporate citizen,

781
01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:31.800
so it is so binding, it's
so destructive, like what they're going

782
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:34.960
to do with with the irs now, it's going to be devastated to people.

783
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:40.440
Where As of January, everything over
six hundred dollars will have to be

784
01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:44.920
reported on your income that's of a
garage sale, right, eBay sale whatever.

785
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:48.239
I mean, like they're just gonna
do with death by a thousand cuts.

786
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:55.639
And then there's seventy six or eighty
four thousand IRS agents. We verified

787
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:59.239
the classified ads on that were legitimate. So it's said they had to be

788
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.719
willing to wear a firearm to their
audits. So what does that tell you?

789
01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:08.960
Jeez? Right, So my point
is that many people are hesitant to

790
01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:12.519
jump into this, But my point
is that's the very reason to do it,

791
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:15.920
okay, because you're going to be
a harder target. You're gonna start

792
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:19.719
to get some legal hacks on your
belt. You're gonna have some documentation that

793
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:24.599
is going to make you outside their
jurisdiction. You're going to learn how to

794
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:29.440
do a toward claim, You're going
to learn how to file an administrative process

795
01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:33.400
where you are requiring them to verify, and all these different things that we're

796
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:41.079
learning. It's the legal education movement, and it's fascinating and it's exciting because

797
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:45.159
just like with you know, being
an army, where you don't question anything,

798
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:48.760
we have not questioned any of that
stuff. We've just believed it's all,

799
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.719
you know, just the normal evolution
of things in our country and bla,

800
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:57.119
no, it's all like you said, how much of it is organic?

801
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:02.679
None of it from have a stock. And you know, they infiltrated

802
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:05.840
the music industry back in the sixties. And then I don't know if you've

803
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:11.559
ever read Dave mccowan's book Weird Scenes, where he talks about how everybody in

804
01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:15.280
the music scene in the nineteen sixties
from the United States all came from this

805
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:18.639
one small neighborhood in California, you
know, all their pair of hills.

806
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:24.480
I just talked Penny Shepherd about that. I thought the Penny Shepherd just about

807
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:28.039
a week ago and we talked about
it. I can't remember it's the name

808
01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:30.559
of it, but it was,
Yeah, it was a CIA hangout,

809
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:38.320
and and what's the guy from the
Doors and the Moms and the Papas and

810
01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:43.360
Monkeys, all these bands that we
thought we were just organically came out of

811
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:46.920
the you know, the hippie scene
or whatever. No, they were all

812
01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:54.760
plants. They were all basically designed
and put out there to shape and mold

813
01:06:55.079 --> 01:07:00.639
the narrative of sex, drugs,
rock and roll too, you know,

814
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:05.760
make our civilization toxic. And it
just you know, trying to bring us

815
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:10.760
down. Yeah, Laurel Canyon.
There you go. That's it, Laurel

816
01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:14.000
Canyon. And I don't know if
you knew, but Jim Morrison's dad,

817
01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:17.719
George Morrison, h yeah, he
responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

818
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:21.079
Yeah, isn't that something I just
thought? I thought, well, you

819
01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:25.679
know, you couldn't make this stuff
up, man, No, if you

820
01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:28.760
gave it to a movie director that
would laugh as into a back hair of

821
01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:36.039
phase. It's just endless to the
rabbit holes connections. And this is what's

822
01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:42.440
so frustrating for the truth or because
you know, we have this stuff laid

823
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:45.880
out in front of us and it
is important. So this is another big

824
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:53.519
problem with the Truther's journey is you
you're told that this stuff is fake.

825
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:59.599
Like, my kids basically are upset
with me because they think that dad is

826
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:03.360
a week com minded boob that was
tricked by photoshop tricks and he broke up

827
01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:09.920
the family. That's their perception of
me. And then, and that's a

828
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:14.519
horrible thing to have your kids think
that of you, right, Yeah,

829
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:19.560
But then what's even more horrible is
that when I've tried to go to them

830
01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:25.880
as like, look, you know, honey, I'm not wrong. These

831
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:28.920
are things that are real, and
mom and Daddy just didn't agree. And

832
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:32.119
you know, if you would see
this as what it really is, you

833
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:36.680
know maybe we can have a relationship. I don't want to talk about it.

834
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:42.960
So you're basically you're just you're put
in this box that you're a nut

835
01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:45.920
job by your family, and then
you're cut off from being able to try

836
01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:50.800
to fix it. That I know
is universal, That is everybody's experience,

837
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:58.279
and it's devastating because you feel totally
helpless and powerless. Is then what do

838
01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:02.640
you do? Then, basically all
you're left with is you have to sort

839
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:09.119
of live and compromise because truthers have
an urgency about these things, as they

840
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:15.079
should, sure, but you're not
allowed to express that urgency. So you

841
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.920
have to be completely silent with all
your friends and family for the rest of

842
01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:23.119
your life if you want to be
in their lives. It's a nightmare,

843
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:29.399
it is. That's why I wrote
the book. Nobody wants to live outside

844
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:31.760
of their skin. Everybody wants to
be theirselves. And you're right. Once

845
01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:34.600
you take that red pill, there's
no going back and pretending it it doesn't

846
01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:40.960
exist. It's just impossible. I
actually have a little anxiety about the book,

847
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:44.199
right. The book is written for
truthers, but it's raining red pills,

848
01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:47.199
red pills now, and I'm afraid
there aren't going to be any Norman

849
01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:51.079
He's left pretty soon. Oh no, there's still plenty out there, trust

850
01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:57.560
me. Look right now, they're
they're going disclosure on the ET thing.

851
01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:00.520
I mean that is for whatever you
think it has happened. I mean there's

852
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:03.800
always four or five levels of truth, right, Yeah, but let's let's

853
01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:09.359
just say on the on the basic
layman's terms, they've been denying this.

854
01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:15.000
Officialdom has been denying this for all
of our life. And now, for

855
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:19.760
whatever reason, they are no longer
denying. They are allowing the message to

856
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:26.079
come out that we're in possession of
what they call it organics or no biologicals.

857
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:30.439
Yeah, that's what they're telling us
now. Yeah, and it just

858
01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:32.199
so happened, I think to be. They had that hearing on the same

859
01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:35.560
day of the I think Biden Sun's
trial. It's nothing to see here,

860
01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:41.800
more sleight of hand. They do
that a lot. They try to,

861
01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:45.680
yes, control the news cycle,
for sure, Yep. A lot of

862
01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:47.920
news dumps Friday about five o'clock when
there's some bad news they want to put

863
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:51.039
out there because everybody's gone home and
they just want to drink beer and they

864
01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:56.119
don't watch the news on Friday nights. A lot of manipulation in the media,

865
01:10:56.159 --> 01:11:00.640
for sure, but that one is
more significant. The timing of the

866
01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:06.399
disclosure. Now, we haven't actually
had the aliens land on the White House

867
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:11.840
long right, Independence Day hasn't happened
quite yet, but do you buy the

868
01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:15.239
what do you call it, Operation
Blue Beam? Gonna be happening one day

869
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:20.960
of course. So so we're like
watching that real time. They're unfolding this

870
01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:27.560
right now. So you had Tucker
Carlson did a three Nights special three nights

871
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:30.960
in a row where he talked about
the fact that the government is now admitting

872
01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:38.800
that they have quote off world technology. That's Tucker Carlson, that's mainstream news.

873
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:43.520
He was still with Fox. And
now you've got all these different sightings

874
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:46.000
that are being released. And then
now you have two or three of these

875
01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:51.439
really official sounded dudes, whoever,
who whatever, and they're coming up with

876
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:56.880
the Senate hearings and they're saying,
yep, we have we are in possession

877
01:11:56.920 --> 01:12:02.199
of biologicals meaning they have bodies or
body parts of aliens because they even said

878
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:05.520
are they human? And the guy
said, no, they're not human.

879
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:10.800
And then they have, you know, they're in possession of what they call

880
01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:15.640
off world technology. So they're totally
announcing to the world that the whole et

881
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:20.479
thing is real. That's huge.
Now. The guy that started NASA came

882
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:27.600
over from the Nazis von Braun right
yep, Warner Broun Brown, Warner Brown

883
01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:31.239
Brown. Okay, So his secretary
or one of his people in his satellite

884
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:39.239
told us that what he told her
was the last card to be played was

885
01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:44.960
the alien invasion card. That's gonna
be the big play. And it makes

886
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:49.680
sense because what we see we've seen
with the COVID raw out is that they

887
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:57.119
they did operationalize their their thing that
we've been hearing about, you know,

888
01:12:57.359 --> 01:13:01.119
for six seven years, and now
they just went for it. And so

889
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:05.680
all the cutting off the food,
blowing up the food manufacturing plants something like

890
01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:14.159
one hundred and twenty now since January
last year mysteriously have blown up. Three

891
01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:16.359
of them had planes fly into them, the other ones blew up. No

892
01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:20.079
one's arrested, nothing, You never
hear anything about it. Trains are crashing

893
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:26.079
all over the place with chemical spills, you know, fires and all over

894
01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:29.840
in California, Canada. I mean, it's just so obvious what's really happening.

895
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:35.640
The carry's running around as this anointed
are. I mean, he's so

896
01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:39.680
creepy, it's beyond words, and
he's telling us, oh, yeah,

897
01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:44.960
we gotta shut the farms down.
We can't have any farms because of the

898
01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:50.399
carbon footprint, you know, And
I'm just like, I mean, at

899
01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:54.960
what point does humanity just say,
you know, get the pitchforks. You

900
01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:59.680
know, I just feel like these
people are going to kill us if we

901
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:03.960
don't stop. Yeah, that would
certainly be one of their last resorts.

902
01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:08.319
But they set it up over decades, and that's you know, the difference

903
01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:13.000
between your and I what we consider
long term planning and what the controllers that

904
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:15.760
they control. They planned for generations
ahead. You know, I planned for

905
01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:19.119
October, and I pat myself on
the back if I'm planning that far out.

906
01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:23.680
If it's very interesting how they do
that. Reagan, of course said

907
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:27.920
if there would ever be an extraterrestrial
event that would bring the world together.

908
01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:31.000
It's not exactly how he said it, but he had mentioned in a nutshell.

909
01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:34.439
If there would be an alien invasion, then the world would come together,

910
01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:39.720
right, kind of like a one
world order. So yeah, they

911
01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:43.079
always disclose, that's for sure.
And speaking of that, what's interesting.

912
01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:46.920
Did you know John Kerry was an
Antarctica the election day November twenty sixteen.

913
01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:54.239
Yep, A bunch of guys went
there. Was a big Russian Catholic guy

914
01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:58.399
or the Orthodox Church guy went down
there. Like why is the Russian Orthodox

915
01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:03.760
Church leader going to an Arctic right? And then I just heard Admiral Bird's

916
01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:09.399
diary where he supposedly it's his diary
from when he went down there. And

917
01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:13.760
they were flying and then all of
a sudden their instruments went wiggy, and

918
01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:16.079
then all of a sudden it's warm, right, and then they're flying.

919
01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:21.359
Apparently they went into the inner Earth
and they're flying, and then the spaceships

920
01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:26.640
come up with naziing signeys on them. It's like a movie. And then

921
01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:30.840
they controls are free and they're just
being you know, like a tractor beam

922
01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:36.560
grabs them and they go in there
and they are ushered into this elevator thing

923
01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:41.199
and they go down fifty floors and
they meet with the master. It's called

924
01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:47.319
I mean, it's just like a
sci fi movie. Um so something you

925
01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:51.840
know, obviously with the Antarctic Treaty, and then you know, go,

926
01:15:53.119 --> 01:16:00.439
you've got these two declassified government programs. One is called fish Bowl and one

927
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:09.600
is called Operation um oh yeah,
Dominic, thank you, thank you,

928
01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:14.600
thank you for being a Truther.
Dominic means of the Lord's right. And

929
01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:18.680
then fish Bowl is the one that
was underneath that or no, fish Bowl

930
01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:21.960
was first, and then Dominic,
so it literally said fish Bowl of the

931
01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:27.960
Lord. Well, this is the
program where they were shooting nuclear bombs up

932
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:31.319
into the atmosphere supposedly to test them. That's right. And this is of

933
01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:35.840
course when those of us that are
flat earthers and believe there's a dome like

934
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:41.119
the Bible says, they were trying
they've discovered the dome and they were trying

935
01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:45.000
to blast a hole in it.
That's one theory. Well, that's when

936
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:48.399
they then created the Antarctic Treaty.
All the governments of the world got in

937
01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:54.119
together and agreed on something and disallowed
anybody from going down there. And of

938
01:16:54.159 --> 01:17:00.520
course Bird supposedly went down there and
came back with that story. And then

939
01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:04.439
he was on the TV show where
you know, run by to watch people

940
01:17:04.479 --> 01:17:12.399
where they interviewed him and he told
him what he saw. So there's definitely

941
01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:18.439
like probably the fallen angels are down
there. Whatever you might believe about other

942
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:26.000
races living down there, there's some
wiggy stuff going on technology that the fallen

943
01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:30.319
ones. I have a biblical worldview, so I go from Genesis six,

944
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:34.920
where we are told that the sons
of God made it with the saw that

945
01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:40.800
the women, the son daughters of
men were fair, and they took whoever

946
01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:45.199
they chose, which sort of indicates
that they're like, come here, you

947
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:49.840
know, they didn't like court them. They just took the wives and then

948
01:17:49.880 --> 01:17:55.560
they gave birth to giants, and
that whole narrative. It's really es central

949
01:17:55.640 --> 01:18:02.840
to the understanding anything. You can't
properly under stand the Bible stories unless you

950
01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:08.239
understand Genesis six is a supernatural thing. It's not the sons of seth okay,

951
01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:13.399
it's literally what it says, and
you can't understand, you know,

952
01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:16.640
things like where God told the chilren
visible to go in and wipe out these

953
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:24.239
entire cities. Like the liberal college
professors that want to prove there's no God

954
01:18:24.279 --> 01:18:29.199
will always start their first day of
class out with that story. If God's

955
01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:31.039
good, why did he? What? Is he a genocidal maniac? No,

956
01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:36.720
No, you have to understand that
the seed of the serpent had permeated

957
01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:45.840
the entire flock of people, and
so there's this whole thing that's going on.

958
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:48.840
Unless you understand that, you couldn't
understand the flood, right. The

959
01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:54.920
whole narrative of the flood was that
Noah was perfect in his genealogies. That's

960
01:18:54.960 --> 01:19:01.800
talking about the DNA, and so
we have these incredible revelation that these fallen

961
01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:09.079
angels came down here and then they
gave birth to these giants. Apparently that's

962
01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:13.680
a big part of what's happening in
the Ant article. It's that whole thing

963
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:16.239
with the giants, and we're going
to see them again, and the fallen

964
01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:21.359
angels are kind of like Marionette puppets
running everything. It's just so crazy,

965
01:19:21.680 --> 01:19:25.960
it is, And that's interesting.
We just had Gary Wayne on i think

966
01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:30.640
a week or two ago, and
he wrote the book The Genesis sixth Conspiracy,

967
01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:34.680
How secret societies and the descendants of
giants planned to enslave humankind. It's

968
01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:39.880
an eight hundred page book. It's
it's really interesting. He really he took

969
01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:43.800
you know what, Genesis six has
twenty six verses and he turned it into

970
01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:46.439
an eight hundred page book. It's
really incredible how he breaks everything down and

971
01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:53.239
just in line is how you did
just now, right right. There's about

972
01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:59.359
eighteen different references to the giants.
It's, of course the most popular one

973
01:19:59.039 --> 01:20:03.119
or known one his day, David
and Goliath. And then there was a

974
01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:06.520
guy that was I can't remember his
name, but he had a fourteen foot

975
01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:10.119
bed, so it's in there,
you know. And then of course Steve

976
01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:15.279
Quail and all his research and different
people who have looked at the different writings

977
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:20.920
of other civilizations. It's like the
conquistadors came up against him, and a

978
01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:25.039
lot of people believe they're still living
in certain parts of the world. Now.

979
01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:30.600
Timothy Albarino went up to Perue and
he went to this place. It

980
01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:35.159
was an outpost, was Catholic outpost, way down this road to nowhere,

981
01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:40.880
and he's got there and the next
day there was a cow. Well,

982
01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:44.039
this thing came to him at night
outside his window, and it was like

983
01:20:44.119 --> 01:20:48.720
speaking to him through his mind,
you know, intellectually telepathy sure, and

984
01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:53.039
telling him you shouldn't be here blah
blah blah, and then the next day

985
01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:56.319
when they woke up, there was
a cow. This is his testimony,

986
01:20:57.119 --> 01:21:06.600
like fifty feet up in a tree
alive. So that's like, you know,

987
01:21:06.920 --> 01:21:10.319
I don't know, a couple of
years ago he told that story.

988
01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:15.079
That's awesome. We're starting to I
got about nine minutes left. I have

989
01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:18.079
two questions I want to ask you, and then we'll close to make sure

990
01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:23.239
everybody remembers your website, which is
really cool. Wake up or else dot

991
01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:28.079
com. You're going to join us
again next month and we're going to delve

992
01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:32.479
really deep into the Mandela effect and
it is real. Can you kind of

993
01:21:32.479 --> 01:21:36.159
give a synopsis of what we can
look forward to next month with you?

994
01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:42.079
Yeah, this is a really mind
bending event. I'm sure most of your

995
01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:46.439
subscribers are familiar with it. It's
the experience where we have vivid memories of

996
01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:50.399
things, but they no longer exist
in the way that we remember them.

997
01:21:50.399 --> 01:21:56.880
So the monopoly guy doesn't have a
monocle and never has. Or Grand Central

998
01:21:57.000 --> 01:22:00.319
Station is actually Grand Central term and
it's always been that way. Or a

999
01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:04.439
mirror mirror on the wall was never
mirror mirror on the wall in any version

1000
01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:08.880
of any movie. It was always
magic mirror, and you could try to

1001
01:22:08.920 --> 01:22:12.359
slop it off at first, but
once you really look into this, it's

1002
01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:19.439
impossible to dismiss it as misremembering.
It is a phenomenon, and so a

1003
01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:25.199
lot of us saw these things in
pop culture, names of movies, movie

1004
01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:31.119
lines, it's a beautiful day in
the neighborhood. Houston, we have a

1005
01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:35.880
problem. All these very common things
were changed, some of them changed and

1006
01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:43.199
then changed back again. We call
those flip flops. Like flintstones. We

1007
01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:46.000
woke up one morning and now it
was flintstones, no t Well, then

1008
01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:51.239
six months later flipped back again.
Same thing with tidy cats, Houston,

1009
01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:58.359
we have a problem. And Chucky
Cheese. Those are four flip flops.

1010
01:22:58.399 --> 01:23:03.199
So those are really hard to just
dismiss as misremembering, because we have hundreds

1011
01:23:03.239 --> 01:23:09.359
of thousands of people that actually observed
it virtually real time, and we've made

1012
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:14.119
videos about it. I even have
residual evidence from the Chucky Cheese change that

1013
01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:16.760
proves I was in that other time
stream, because I have information that I

1014
01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:25.239
created during that first change when it
changed to Chucky cheesus and now it's changed

1015
01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:31.039
back again. So it's definitely happening. Well as a Christian, though I

1016
01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:34.479
didn't know this in the beginning.
What I found out was the changes that

1017
01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:41.199
are taking place to our reality include
the Bible. This is a very big

1018
01:23:41.279 --> 01:23:45.239
problem if you're a Bible believer,
because first of all, it's like the

1019
01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:53.560
foundation of our faith. Yeah,
and the Bible seems to teach that it

1020
01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:58.159
can't change because there's passages that say, thy word is forever settled in Heaven.

1021
01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:01.760
One you know, a job or
tittle won't pass away till you know,

1022
01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:04.800
Heaven passes away. And Heaven hasn't
passed away yet, So how could

1023
01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:13.399
it change. Well, what we
what we had to do is say,

1024
01:24:13.640 --> 01:24:17.600
okay, well, now I know
theologians will hate this, but we were

1025
01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:23.720
absolutely convinced that this was happening because
we go into the Bible and there's all

1026
01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:26.920
these things that aren't the way we
remember them. I can give you tons

1027
01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:30.760
of examples scriptures that we've vividly remember
that I will never been in the Bible,

1028
01:24:31.319 --> 01:24:35.159
just like mirror, mirror on the
wall, I'm one hundred percent certain,

1029
01:24:36.359 --> 01:24:42.079
monopoly guy, I'm I'm one hundred
percent certain. Well, I'm one

1030
01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:45.520
hundred percent certain that judge not lest
he be judged. Was in my King

1031
01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:53.279
James Bible, and so as one
hundred percent of every Christian I've ever asked.

1032
01:24:54.399 --> 01:25:00.279
But it's never existed in any Bible, King James or otherwise. Another

1033
01:25:00.319 --> 01:25:04.199
one is, which is really familiar. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh

1034
01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:10.760
away has never existed in the King
James or any other Bible. It's now

1035
01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:15.399
the Lord gave and the lords shall
take away. That's what's in the King

1036
01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:18.279
James. That came from when I
was doing your little online questioning. That

1037
01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:21.199
was in there, right, yep. That was one of the questions I

1038
01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:25.680
got. I got that wrong,
and I'm like, what yep. But

1039
01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:30.119
the Hardest Bible Quiz com and take
the quiz. There's twenty questions there.

1040
01:25:30.279 --> 01:25:32.920
Prove it to yourself. Could you
say that again? It broke up when

1041
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:36.840
you said it. Yep. Hardest
Bible Quiz dot Com. There you go.

1042
01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:41.279
It doesn't give you the results at
the end, but you can keep

1043
01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:44.520
track yourself and you'll it'll tell you
right away once you answer if you got

1044
01:25:44.520 --> 01:25:47.840
it right or wrong. And we
typically I can go into any pastor's office

1045
01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:51.520
and stump him ten out of ten, sometimes twenty out of twenty. Which

1046
01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:58.079
is impossible. Okay, So my
point is that what we had to do

1047
01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:00.760
is we had to say, well, if this has happened, the Bible

1048
01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:03.880
must not be teaching that it can't
change, because God's not a liar.

1049
01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:12.199
That's the biggest problem that people have
with it. Well, understand you,

1050
01:26:12.520 --> 01:26:16.159
if you're a believer, you've watched
the great titans of the faith, the

1051
01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:20.600
president of the Bible College and the
other president of the other Bible College debate

1052
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:28.880
Calvinism or the King James d'ely or
whatever central doctrine. There have been people

1053
01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:33.439
who are light years ahead of you
debating another guy that's light years ahead of

1054
01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:39.920
you, and they couldn't agree.
So it's fair to suggest that the entire

1055
01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:46.880
body of Christ is misinterpreting the scriptures
that they're relying on that says the Bible

1056
01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:51.960
can't change, because it's really a
dog more than it is a doctrine.

1057
01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:59.840
And so you have many passages in
the Bible that did seem to foretell this

1058
01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:05.720
event with stunning detail, like Daniel
seven twenty five speaks about the Antichrist being

1059
01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:14.079
able to change times and laws.
And you have Revelation thirteen where God says

1060
01:27:14.159 --> 01:27:18.760
in his word that he gives permission
and power to the Antichrist to wage war

1061
01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:25.079
against the saints and prevail against them. And there's other ones. And then

1062
01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:31.000
Enoch in chapter eighty, verse two, describes the Mandel effect to the tea.

1063
01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:38.319
He says, in that day all
things on the earth will alter and

1064
01:27:38.439 --> 01:27:42.119
they will be out of their time. You couldn't get any clear. And

1065
01:27:42.159 --> 01:27:45.920
that's same if you read further.
He says, the fruits of the earth

1066
01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:48.800
will be backwards. And if you
look at bananas, bananas now grow up.

1067
01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:54.960
Most people remember bunches of bananas facing
down. And then he says this,

1068
01:27:55.239 --> 01:27:58.319
and the moon will be out of
its order. Well, now,

1069
01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:02.520
when the moon is cresting, very
often it's going on the underside. It's

1070
01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:05.960
on the bottom, which if you
look at NASA, I just looked it

1071
01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:10.600
up the other day. The crescent
is supposed to be north to south,

1072
01:28:10.720 --> 01:28:14.000
right on the west side, and
then it's on the east side. Well,

1073
01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:16.159
now you're looking up in the moon
is at crescent is actually on the

1074
01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:24.000
south side. So again Enoch nailed
it. So it's true. Okay,

1075
01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:28.439
it's really happening, and it includes
the Bible. I'm sorry that your doctrine

1076
01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:34.439
is being upended. But what I've
discovered in my studies of this is this

1077
01:28:34.600 --> 01:28:43.239
is happening. However, there are
a number of very orthodox Biblical doctrines and

1078
01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:48.399
precedence or principles that allow this to
be happening without an impugning God's good name

1079
01:28:48.439 --> 01:28:53.600
in any way. Okay, God
is not a liar. The Word is

1080
01:28:53.640 --> 01:28:57.239
immutable, which means it will not
change and it will come to pass.

1081
01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:00.880
And so essentially we make a distinction. Listen very carefully. There's a difference

1082
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:08.439
between the term word of God and
the term scripture. They are not the

1083
01:29:08.479 --> 01:29:14.640
same. So our church leaders have
been sloppy with their doctrine. And the

1084
01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:17.279
proof is you can if they're the
same, we should be able to impose

1085
01:29:17.359 --> 01:29:21.039
them. And I mean the same
thing. So Gospel of John chapter one,

1086
01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:26.319
in the beginning was the scripture,
and the scripture was with God,

1087
01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:30.439
and the scripture was God. Okay, that doesn't resonate, it doesn't,

1088
01:29:30.039 --> 01:29:34.720
it doesn't make sense. What it
actually says is in the beginning was the

1089
01:29:34.760 --> 01:29:38.399
Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.

1090
01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:45.840
That's the centerpiece definition of what the
word is. Verse fourteen, the word

1091
01:29:46.119 --> 01:29:50.359
became flesh and dwelt among us.
So what we're told in the Gospel of

1092
01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:58.920
John chapter one is the Word is
Jesus. The Word is a person embodied

1093
01:29:58.920 --> 01:30:02.880
in the man's body. He came
down to sacrifice himself for us. That

1094
01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:09.800
doesn't change what was given to the
original authors, the original autographs doesn't change.

1095
01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:16.079
So if the sixth Commandment says thou
shall not eat ice cream cones,

1096
01:30:16.119 --> 01:30:19.960
I don't care what it says.
In the fact that thou shallt not murder

1097
01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:25.720
is still in effect. It's immutable, okay. And the fact that it's

1098
01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:30.720
going away, Yes, it's it's
a nightmare, it's a it's a it

1099
01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:35.680
creates biblical paradoxes that you know,
you can't even wrap your head around.

1100
01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:39.840
And it's a it's a judgment.
It's supposed to be terrible, but that

1101
01:30:39.880 --> 01:30:44.439
doesn't mean it's not true. Judgment
is supposed to be terrible. Yeah,

1102
01:30:45.640 --> 01:30:54.359
So that's my little synopsis on my
What I focus on is this problem.

1103
01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:58.520
It's a big problem. Everybody's talking
about it. It's interesting that, well,

1104
01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:00.640
I don't know about that. It's
funny why you were talking. I

1105
01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:03.840
just put in Google when when I
want to see how things are manipulated I

1106
01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:05.960
go to Google. If I want
to look for real information, I go

1107
01:31:05.960 --> 01:31:10.039
to index or somewhere else. But
if you go to Google and you just

1108
01:31:10.079 --> 01:31:15.760
put in monopoly guy monocle, that
the third picture says Mandela effect, and

1109
01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:17.119
the guy on the right has a
monocle, the guy on the left doesn't.

1110
01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:20.960
Right, So it is certainly out
there. That that's for sure.

1111
01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:30.840
That's that's interesting, it is fascinating, and my research indicates that there's millions

1112
01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:34.640
of people now claiming this phenomena.
I mean, you've got widespread or full

1113
01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:41.279
spread articles in major like at least
five major magazines, Popular Mechanics, Good

1114
01:31:41.279 --> 01:31:44.560
house Keeping, those types of magazines. You've got two movies about it.

1115
01:31:44.600 --> 01:31:48.079
Now, there's almost a hundred groups
on Facebook, and of course across all

1116
01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:54.119
the social media there's channels dedicated to
it. So it's whatever side of the

1117
01:31:54.159 --> 01:31:58.399
controversy you fall on, it's real, it's not real. What you have

1118
01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:02.399
to agree with is that there is
a phenomenon. Okay, in other words,

1119
01:32:02.479 --> 01:32:08.600
you suddenly have millions of people that
are all struck with crazy, all

1120
01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:13.920
of a sudden. No, that's
never happened in history. So the phenomenon

1121
01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:18.079
is that people are claiming that they
have vivid memories. Whether you try to

1122
01:32:18.199 --> 01:32:23.760
rationalize that in some naturalistic way or
not is irrelevant because the phenomenon is happening

1123
01:32:25.479 --> 01:32:28.760
and we don't really know what it
is that we're experiencing, right, you

1124
01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:31.920
know, Paralo universe. It's an
implanted thought. It's a shift of our

1125
01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:40.159
consciousness. But what we know what
it isn't It isn't misremembering, that's what

1126
01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:43.960
we know. It's It's very fascinating. Pardon me, and I really look

1127
01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:49.319
forward to following that next month.
Excuse me. It's wake Up or Else

1128
01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:55.199
dot com. They're all the links
there that you can get his book.

1129
01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:59.840
There's resources, but there's also video, fellowships, et cetera. Before we

1130
01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:01.800
I would like you to touch on
your website for just a minute so people

1131
01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:05.479
when they get there they know where
to navigate too when the support mechanisms that

1132
01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:09.800
you have in placed there. Yes. Super. Yeah. So right now

1133
01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:15.279
we're pretty much most of the contents
on YouTube. Of course we're transitioning out

1134
01:33:15.319 --> 01:33:17.800
to rumble, but if you want
to see the trainings, there's teachings that

1135
01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:20.359
I've done, you can go to
YouTube. Just look up wake Up or

1136
01:33:20.399 --> 01:33:26.039
Else all one word on YouTube.
And then Monday nights at eight on free

1137
01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:28.760
conference called dot com. You can
get the schedule on wake up or Else

1138
01:33:28.840 --> 01:33:32.479
dot com. I do a training
on becoming a state National. Mondays at

1139
01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:38.920
two we have a fellowship for folks
with addictions. And then Friday night we

1140
01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:43.079
do a hangout on free conference called
dot com just for truthers, so you

1141
01:33:43.119 --> 01:33:46.159
don't have to be alone. So
we've tried to create sort of a it's

1142
01:33:46.159 --> 01:33:51.720
a Christian fellowship for the truth or
community, and it's we do live streams

1143
01:33:54.079 --> 01:33:58.039
and we do teachings. I'm about
to release two more two more teachings.

1144
01:33:58.159 --> 01:34:02.119
You try to keep them to maybe
thirty forty five minutes in depth doctrinal thesis,

1145
01:34:02.159 --> 01:34:08.680
doctrinal stuff on how can this be
possible? You know, it's just

1146
01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:18.279
incredible. It's it's an incredibly disruptive
event for Christianity and nobody's talking about it.

1147
01:34:18.239 --> 01:34:21.680
It's incredible. I really appreciate you
being so generous with your time.

1148
01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:27.359
Again. The website is wake Up
or Else dot com. The link to

1149
01:34:27.680 --> 01:34:31.359
the Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide, a
guidebook for persecuted truthers. I will have

1150
01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:35.560
all the links in the show description. I'll have Johnson. Are you still

1151
01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:39.520
using the Please Wake Up or else
at gmail dot com. Yep, that's

1152
01:34:39.520 --> 01:34:42.319
a great email. Okay, So
that email will be in the show description

1153
01:34:42.359 --> 01:34:44.680
as well. Folks, if you'd
like to reach out to him or have

1154
01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:47.079
him on your podcast, and we
have a lot of podcasters who listen to

1155
01:34:47.119 --> 01:34:51.760
the pits to the program, and
I'd be glad to do that George if

1156
01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:56.600
I can. This is all I
do. I would love to do podcasts

1157
01:34:56.640 --> 01:34:59.600
with you. If you're interested,
just definitely reach out. We can schedule

1158
01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:03.640
that because I'm trying to get this
word out, not so it's a book,

1159
01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:08.960
but the whole Bible change thing,
because I sensed a real strong destiny

1160
01:35:09.479 --> 01:35:13.840
on that to alert people to it. As hard as of a story as

1161
01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:16.000
it is, I think it's kind
of like everybody, if you go to

1162
01:35:16.039 --> 01:35:18.399
the doctor, you tell the doctor, Hey, doc, you know I

1163
01:35:18.439 --> 01:35:24.600
can take it, tell me like
it is. Yeah right, yeah.

1164
01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:29.560
Well, continued success with the book
and I'm sure the audience will support it.

1165
01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:31.479
And thank you so much for joining
us, and we look forward to

1166
01:35:31.560 --> 01:35:38.920
having you back in September and we'll
deep dive into the butterfly effect. Excellent

1167
01:35:39.079 --> 01:35:42.520
Mantel effect. Mentel effects. Sorry, yeah, that's a movie, right,

1168
01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:45.439
Thank you, George. This was
so great. I do appreciate it

1169
01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:48.079
and look forward to coming back in
September. As you said, and thank

1170
01:35:48.119 --> 01:35:50.319
you guys for listening. It was
great, great to meet with all of

1171
01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:53.800
you. Yeah, thank you so
much, and thank you listeners. God

1172
01:35:53.800 --> 01:35:56.319
bless each and every one of you
and has always keep your head on a

1173
01:35:56.399 --> 01:36:00.239
swivel. And until the next time, my friends, we will see you.