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that Grant and I had just had. He wanted to talk more about the

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Joelle embiid stuff, so we got
more into that and the sixty five game

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minimum. He was on vacation when
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it was a good discussion. That'll
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I have here, which is one. Come join us for our live post

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trade deadline show this Thursday. It'll
be about five pm Eastern time, two

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pm Pacific that we go live.
That's always really fun. I think last

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a regular podcast as always, but
five pm Eastern time, two pm Pacific

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to react to the trade deadline and
also once around the All Star break,

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Hardmer Knox will be taking some time
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would say, however, we're not
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Grant and I have done our positional
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position for US already ruined a little
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Joelle Embiid injury and the Zach Lavine
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sure how much the shooting guard rankings
that those might have been changed quite not

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quite a bit, but probably could
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recording this in the first place,
because we have Joelle Embiid and Zach Lavine

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updates. Woach tweeted on Tuesday morning
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he'll be reevaluated in approximately four weeks. How Embiid's recovery goes over the next

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few weeks will be paramount, But
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isn't closed on the possibility of the
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not he missed the season. It
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once Embiid had this procedure, we
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reevaluation. I'm sure we'll get further
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what was what actually happened to the
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interesting that you know, not that
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but just that we still don't have
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well, how how likely is he
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down, so there's all this speculation
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He was on pace to be assuming
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issue. Altogether, he was on
pace to be one of the foremost MVP

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candidates. The Sixers were in a
position to where it felt like, Okay,

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had they made a move or two
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the level of a Boston, certainly
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the trade deadline or just even overall. Because we talked about this on this

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podcast, We've talked about it in
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nice little plug for it if you
haven't already. They have a cushion to

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get into the playoffs. I mean, it looks a little bit. I

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think when I had mentioned something initially
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front of Indiana, and that's now
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top sticks feels like it'll be a
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really ticks up. It is possible, though, and so you wonder if

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are they gonna go out there and
try to even more not urgently, get

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a difference maker this season to where
you see them involved in the you know,

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just like someone like a Keldon Johnson
became available, or if they gave

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up picks to get Alex Caruso.
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they would still make. Even though
those guys are under they would who knows,

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but those guys are under contract.
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kind of another big in there.
Some names that I talked about and I

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did publish for anyone has not checked
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targets for every team over a Bleacher
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get if they want to give up
seconds and they have expiring contracts. He

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stretches the floor, can maybe play
with Himbiid when he comes back, and

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you're going to do a ton for
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you somewhat relying on a Mobamba and
Paul Reid. Andre Drummonds a name that's

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been bandied about. Familiar face,
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I don't know that he would be
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Chicago, just because the Sixers don't
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front of him in most of their
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But to get his early bird rights
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as a backup, and he could, you know, start in a Bead's

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absence and then when Ambide comes back, you're able to slash his minutes or

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you have forty eight minutes of your
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idea of Dario shariz reunion, not
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kind of rap. By the way. With Kelly Olynock, I don't know

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if people notice. I would be
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a first round pick, assuming they're
not taking that bad as salary. He's

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really good this year as a playmaker, like a lot of live triple stuff

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that I don't even at his peak, like his peak days in Boston,

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be a good get for a lot
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h if the you know, maybe
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to get him that they've been talking
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Kelly Olinok better than Bobby Portis there, but he is someone that could help.

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teams I think that that could use
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I suppose, But I'd like to
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front court, just to skew the
younger route with more Taylor Hendrix and and

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Walker Kessler Mintz together, but Sharish
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He's not really your traditional five,
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four or the five, and he's
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decision maker. Not a ton of
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because he started to play in a
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little bit better. I think you
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want beyond ball decision maker route still
just to help with Tyrese MAXI because as

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good as Tyre's Maxie has been,
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are just banged up. All sorts
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is ever gonna play again, and
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well, as we haven't really seen
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Embiid necessarily in the minutes that Embiid
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fair. Okay, I think their
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is pretty bad, but there are
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posessions when he's off the floor.
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that situation is Maxi d Anthony Melton, Kelly Ubre Junior, Tobias Harrison,

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Paul Reid, which is lighting the
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defense. Defense is where they're gonna
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where I would question, Okay,
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It did always feel like they were
gonna target dudes who could play that either

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have expiring contracts or team options or
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float the cap space dream. I
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get for them, doesn't replace Embiid, but just another guy who can make

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decisions on the ball for you.
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In addition to his motion shooting,
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already missed time this season, but
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a firecracker of points. Alec Burks
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I know, think he's dealing with
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whatever it is. Gordon Hayward just
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not what he was like. He's
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some of that on ball shiftiness.
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You know what? You just do
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shorthanded. I don't know. If
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free agency, he could sign him
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still kind of up there, hasn't
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but just as another plug and play
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kind of thought about as an encore
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It's just how many minutes can you
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because I don't love the floor spacing
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that, but johnathy Isaac is still
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to twenty minutes a game that he
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hole though, So I don't know
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think de Jon deay Murray could still
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love the fit necessarily between him and
Maxie and if you're throwing a beat in

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there, but as far as helping
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you get him for a cost where
it's I mean, it's costing you two

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first round picks if you're Philly,
just because you don't have any young player

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equity that I think in Atlanta it'd
be really hot for I don't think they're

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lusting after a Jaden Springer or a
Paul Reid, So if you're giving up

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two first round picks, that's value
you could probably get back in a later

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move if things don't work out or
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top six. They certainly have a
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eight. Looking at Chicago and Atlanta, and we'll get to Chicago very quickly

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in a minute. But they are
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in the Lost Common ahead of the
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bit friskier of late, by the
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of yeah, eight losses in front
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in danger falling out of the plan, which is why you're not going to

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see if they're not going to lean
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gonna do that. But I am
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I hope and be plays again this
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sorts of long term questions in Philly. And we get into a little bit

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more of that with the Embiid and
Tyres Alibert discussion. I thought it was

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a you know, a good one
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have done this more at the top. Two things that I two pods that

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I recommended. So date, Duncan
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podcast. I listened to that.
They had a discussion about the sixty five

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games minimum, the EMBID injury that
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talked about like maybe rule changes that
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yeah, the rules it might be
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relative to the offensive skill, but
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do to kind of even the playing
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that was a really good, level
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I had when I went on my
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ago. And then Zach Looe also
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think of it, I think I'd
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and I think Rubik Scal's line of
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she was necessarily endorsing this so much
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game's minimum, it's going to be
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one thing, but as I mentioned, I don't know if you need it

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just because we've only seen the one
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win the MVP while playing in equivalent
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or let's say eighty percent of the
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But when it comes to all NBA, and Ruby scald pointed this out

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in our discord, it's not really
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first team. It might be more
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And then Zach Lowe proposed, like
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or second team, and then have
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can sort of fudge it around and
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there, and then people will still
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gives you know, players more of
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try and play injured, or teams
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contract incentives. Do you let it
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point, I don't know, I
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that seems like increasingly the way to
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that this is eventually going to repealed, if not super softened, in the

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like you know, TV deals signed, they just move on and they get

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rid of the rule entirely. And
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ending foot surgery. I could not
help but laugh when everything blacks in the

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disc discord. I don't know,
I laughed at the discord message that hard

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and quite some times said oh he
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to Detroit, and he was like, I'm out for the rest of the

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season. So it was, you
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were basically saying Levine and Clutch Sports
his agency, in consultation with the medical

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staff of the team. This is
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additional medical opinions. And so I'm
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but I did find that to be
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time while dealing with the ankle stuff, and so to have hundergo the surgery

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as a bummer. He's not his
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very valuable player, as most people
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the trade running, certainly for the
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and I were still interested in him. I don't know if it takes me

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out of the running, because I
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with to get him, just because
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And now it's just what was he
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Anyway? And Okay, he's he's
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He's out for the rest of the
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and see how he fits into your
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bit I shouldn't say more appealing,
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because it would I would maybe it
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if Chicago's just like, well,
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we're going to move to rows in
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we're more worried about long term cap
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so that would mess up that plan. But you see them make a

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Caruso trade, if you see them
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op or two time for e Pistons
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just trying to have this asset player
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then get Levine. But he's exposed
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That's a bummer. We'll have to
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coming into next season. Excuse me, where he is. He's still get

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traded over the offseason when more teams
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he's still very useful offensive player.
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and the make up for the roster
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best self. And he is certainly
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just as an off ball shooter and
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so much this year, but hit
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skill. I hate team players like
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and this is completely anecdotal. There's
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like the past week and a half
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with all these injuries. And maybe
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Levine discussions have been at the forefront
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feel exhausted like that. But just
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to see last week specifically, and
they were just the air of them were

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dampanted by the absence of stars,
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Knicks are so banged up, Like
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it's Quinton Grimes as Oji Nanobi.
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that time of year. So anecdotally, it just feels like too much.

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injury changes for the Bulls this season. Immediately, I do think they're less

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threatening overall, and but look their
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they it's still like Brooklyn is the
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plan right now that I suppose could
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a trade deadline pivot. If they
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of a race to the ten seed
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buckle up for that. So now
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They'll also be stat padding again.
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up, but we do it all. We're gonna do our own All Star

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Draft because the NBA got rid of
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know the NBA got rid of the
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you know what we care. We
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will be doing it All Star Draft
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community at some point. Definitely joint
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to make this all about me.
I did go on two shows and I'll

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be going on another one. So
I did the Timeline podcast. Anyone who

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listens to this knows that I love
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Cooper. I went on to talk
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the Suns. So at the Timeline
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did about an hour with them.
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the topic Thunder podcast could plan on
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talked to Cone and Maddie. First
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did. We did over an hour, but there was a recording staff fu

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on one of their ends, which
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Thunder with them, So go you
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going on to talk about the Knicks
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this on a Tuesday morning. He
hosts The Alley Oop. You can go

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check that out. Follow on Twitter
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exactly as it sounds Ali oop MBA, go check that out. Where you

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get your podcasts on YouTube. I'm
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Knicks. Maybe we'll have another episode
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stuff just gets so dated at this
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I don't even want to tackle rumors. The fact we didn't have a transaction

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on Monday was it's not weird,
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out with the shout out to one. Well, I'm not even gonna leave

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you with the shot out, because
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now and then get into stat panning, and then we'll leave you with shouts.

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What is a fellow Thermo Nuclear A
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at you once again with my certified
fantabulous Thermo Nuclear af co host mister Grant

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Hughes. He was not around because
he was sick as a dog for the

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Joel and Bid discourse, so we
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just the Joel embiid stuff, also
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what it means, should there be
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Maybe we'll end up talking in circles
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shit's tough to reconcile. But we're
gonna get into it. Grant, however,

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very quickly, how are you doing. I'm doing very well, Dan.

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It's good to be back, good
to be almost whole again. And

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uh Brady talks, some talk,
some hoops should be good. So I

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just want to get your thoughts very
quickly on the Joel Embiid stuff. Appreciate

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it. I also have respect and
want to know before we get into this,

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what you thought about the Joel Embiid
injury the discourse surrounding it. I

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did already record a podcast where Nuggets
fans were mad and like they like,

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I just I don't. I still
don't understand how they think that Embiad is

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softer ducking them, and I understand. We had some lively discussions and discord.

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I again reacted the Joell Eban news
as sus as it happened. I

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said some erroneous things about all NBA
stuff. Ruby Scale pointed out in discord

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we had someone else like was real
syrup. I hope he didn't get that

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wrong talking about the fan experience,
which is of course the most important thing

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of this. I'm just curious is
to where you land to where I get

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being disappointed. I'm just surprised,
I guess at how much. And I'm

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not saying he's blameless, but Joel
Embiid is probably the like the person who

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blamed the least out of all this
when you look at the you know,

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the league, the sixers, and
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into the sixty five game minimum in
general, the players Association gets looped into

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it as well, So it feels
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starts starts with is MB ducking Jokic

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sort of sort of thing, and
then it like has a tentacle that touches

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like sixers injury reporting, and then
it also has to do with the sixty

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five game limit or like which I
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is it just that we're talking about
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what's That's what I was so confused
about is it felt like this conversation went

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in like ten different directions. I
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basically because it was EMBIID. The
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But I was responding more so to
There was a bunch of and they

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were in our YouTube comments and some
of them said they like me, but

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now they're gonna unsubscribe because of what
I said. And I guess I got

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really impassionate about it because I tend
to be pro player, but I want

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to see players play. I just
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there might be collaborative decisions, like, it's the organization, the team,

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the training staff, the coaches that
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much they play, it comes down
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And what I don't understand is yes, would you like and me to

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say I really can't go, or
I'm going to ignore people calling me a

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chicken shit and I'm not gonna play. Yes I would, but it's like

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the whole entire point is for the
organization, the coaches, the training staff

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to override these players, to protect
them against making or just to make the

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best long term decisions. And again, I want to see stars play.

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He hasn't played in Denver since the
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played Yokic in certain regular season games
and that's not I'm not maybe Nuggets fancser

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for this as a shot at Yokic
when I said it, I think that

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Cole Yoak is the best player in
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trying to take anything from Jokic.
I just don't understand, especially if he

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watched that Dubs game where everyone's like, well, was it It wasn't the

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injury that he injured, And I
was like, but he couldn't move,

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like he shouldn't have been on the
floor in the first place. And I'm

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just I don't mean to sound like
condescending when I was probably pretty angry.

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But the thing that bothered me more
is I expected it kind of from fans,

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but like the number of media members
that were just like, he's ducking

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it. He's ducking Jokic, or
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all this on purpose, and yeah, Matt Moore's dive. Everyone said,

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look at the data. I referenced
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I love Matt Moore, and he
walked back some the stuff he said.

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But like I understand Embiid has.
It looks like he is sitting against winning

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opponents on the road. Do you
think Embiid is looking at the Sixers schedule

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and saying, well, yeah,
I'll sit this one in, this one,

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this one, or is this the
Sixers deciding like, well, these

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are the games that makes sense for
Joelle and b d rest because we're trying

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to maximize the number of wins during
the regular season. Again, the fan

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experience needs to drive this entire fucking
thing. And I've been pretty open about

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that a bunch of times. And
there's so many parties to blame. And

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the bigger thing is there's no solve
here. I think it's I don't know

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where you land on this now.
I just feel like I'm reiterating myself.

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The shield are an indictment on the
length of the regular season more than anything,

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because you can, you can,
That's what the money's for this to

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death, But like there are going
to be nights like if he couldn't jump,

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That's what Ramona Shelburne said before the
Nuggets game, and then you watch

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him against the Warriors and it's,
oh no, this dude can't move right,

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Is it? Or is it just
the fact that it beads this physical

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anomaly. I'm just am I lamenting
the death of nuance? Like I know

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that the comments and Twitter and you
know, our discord is a place for

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nuance, but like most of these
mediums aren't a place for nuance. But

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is context out the window here?
Like can we not go by a case

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by case basis or separate these issue
and even I'm probably bad at it.

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Like I said, I intertwined all
NBA with MVP when I was making the

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initial thing. So where are you
just at on how the embid injury unfolded

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in the response? Like it was
too I think it would be twofold.

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Where what did you make of just
like the whole Embiid ducking the Nuggets type

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thing, and then people the second
part of this is just equating like injuries

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with being soft and it's like,
no, you could equate injuries with being

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injury prone, but that doesn't mean
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So I think the first thing that
hopefully this will be helpful if like

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it's sty'll still bothering you at all. But like this is a total illustration

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of of like we've gotten total completely
different levels of engagement with this topic because

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00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:48,480
somehow over this like news cycle,
I just like haven't been like I was

406
00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:52,000
sick and I wouldever, so I
didn't really like come across a lot of

407
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,079
the I was aware there was some
of it out there, but the the

408
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,799
various compete like backlash to the backlash
to the backlash like back and forth opinions

409
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:04,119
that you're talking about. So it's
like I wasn't exposed to that, so

410
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,160
I'm like less bothered by it.
And I also don't feel like my take

411
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,200
on it has to respond to the
he's ducking at crowd versus any of the

412
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,839
other nuanced side. So this is
just like to say that I don't know,

413
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,680
I wasn't like this is interesting because
this has clearly been a very big

414
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,160
part of your last forty eight hours
or so, I'm like, not part

415
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,920
of mine at all. But the
umbied thing is like, yeah, of

416
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:29,680
course there's a nuance to it,
like one the sixty five game threshold is

417
00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:34,400
just an interesting jumping off point now
to talk about like any award obvious consequence,

418
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,839
Like there's a lot of bigger you
know, so this is just you

419
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,160
know, there's a lot to say
about that whole thing. I think you

420
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,559
may agree with this, as I
think I've said it to you before.

421
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,440
If I don't think we need the
sixty five game threshold, I think you

422
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,119
could just let voters decide. And
if there's like you're measuring not exactly one

423
00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:55,319
like against another, like you know, sixty five games at this level versus

424
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,319
fifty one at this level, like, let him figure that out. I'm

425
00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:02,319
fine with that, okay, But
as a pertains to embiid in the specific

426
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:07,640
circumstances, now, it's like,
you know, I think it's if there

427
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,200
is a lot of if there is
a strong contingent saying, you know,

428
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,920
oh, he keeps ducking all these
big games against the Nuggets or whatever else,

429
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,400
and like this is this is soft
and this is whatever, Like I

430
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,000
don't, I don't know. Maybe
there is I haven't seen them, Matt

431
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:26,000
Moore thing, but I suspect,
just anecdotally from what I can recall,

432
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:27,200
there are like a several games where
you're like, oh, damn it,

433
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,359
he's not playing in this one.
So like happens a fair amount. I

434
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,640
think to like call him out about
it is kind of weak. And then

435
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,960
to the injury thing, like he
was clearly hurt before the cominga falling on

436
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,000
his knee thing, and like so
he should have sat out more probably than

437
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,519
he did. H and it's probably
due to the team should probably be the

438
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:48,559
one saying you can't go. So
I suspect he wants to go. I

439
00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:52,400
don't think that that seems more likely
to me than the ducking whoever it is

440
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,240
angle or wherever it is, if
it's in Denver. I'm of the mine

441
00:26:56,279 --> 00:27:00,559
that most basketball players want to play
basketball if they can. That's like that's

442
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:03,119
a weird take by you, right, Like not everyone's Andrew Bindham type deal.

443
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,240
So you said most that you're not
you're not paying too broad like you

444
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,480
know there are some that aren't into
it, and like this would have been

445
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,319
say that players say that they say
all the time, like some guys don't

446
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,039
love it, you know, like
that, Well, Jason Tatum is like

447
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,359
shit on load management. I don't
know if he and I guess he might

448
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,240
be calling out like the training staff
rather than the like the actual players.

449
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:23,680
It's just that's the other thing that's
been wonky is do you really think like

450
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:27,160
Kawhi was sitting here over all these
years like yeah, I'll miss this gap

451
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:32,480
of time and this gap of time
and he said that specifically it's like I

452
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:36,400
wanted to play Like this is just
you know, yeah, I don't know

453
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,000
I would. Do you think the
sixty five game limit is going to be

454
00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:41,519
something we relitigate like as a league. As soon as the TV deal is

455
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,119
done, that thing is going away. And I think to the point that

456
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,240
Rubikscal made in the discord, where
you look at the number of people who

457
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:52,279
generally don't the point she was making
was that they generally don't make first team,

458
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:56,319
they're going to make second and third
team. Like if you decide that

459
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,920
fifty six games of Lebron James is
more valuable than like, it's a case

460
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,400
by case basis, and I think
you made a good point. You need

461
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,319
to trust that the voters are going
to make the right choice. And I

462
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,559
know that the media is imperfect.
I know the fact that you have like

463
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,720
regional market people who follow one team
and are tasked with voting for the entire

464
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,240
league. There's an issue there,
But the media is still the best solution

465
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:18,960
this because the players do not take
them as anyone who has seen the All

466
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,640
Star voting knows that the players do
not take this seriously, and so like

467
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:26,920
that's the answer unless you want coaches. And even then you have agendas.

468
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,400
You have Rick Carlisle's voting for guys
in the All Star Game that his teams

469
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,680
are trying to trade for, and
so it's just like there's always going to

470
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,200
be these agendas there. There's no
perfect solve it's just the NBA has left

471
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,240
a lot of it open for interpretation, and you would think, I guess

472
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,480
if anything, like they what they
really did simplify was the job of the

473
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:48,000
voters who no longer have to look
at what you're saying and decide, well,

474
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,039
is prefty nine games of Jowelle and
be more valuable than seventy games of

475
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:55,720
Demontes bonus or something. Yeah,
that's what it comes down. I think

476
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,319
the decision was was a TV money
thing and just more than anything. And

477
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:03,920
it wasn't in the intention to be
like let's make it easier for these dummies,

478
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,160
like you know, that wasn't the
goal of it, but that is

479
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,279
the eff like that has been an
effect of it, and I don't feel

480
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:11,039
like that's a good thing, like
let's make it. It shouldn't be that

481
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:14,680
it should you know, it should
be hard sometimes to decide. You should

482
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,599
have to like really think about it. And also it's like some of it

483
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,359
naturally does get weeded out to where
yes, we've seen players playing chier than

484
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,319
sixty five games and they've made all
NBA teams, But like if you end

485
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:30,200
up missing extensive time because everyone's like
stop framing it is missing seventeen games,

486
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,720
it's playing in eighty percent of the
season, and it's like, okay,

487
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:34,920
fine, if you play an eighty
percent of the season in general, you're

488
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,960
going to give yourself a betefit of
making these awards anyway, and MVP specifically,

489
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,400
I know DPO wise Rubuskau pointed out, like we've seen Jared Jackson junior

490
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,960
last year missed that off, So
I don't we did. I talked about

491
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,519
this with Keith when the new CBA
was ratified, and we discussed some of

492
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:55,559
these as unintended consequences, But I
was not as against the sixty five game

493
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:57,319
minimum, and I'm not even sure
if that's what was driving what went on

494
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,640
with EMBI here. I do think
though, if you're you're gonna have this

495
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,480
minimum, like the players Union and
the league needs to make sure that teams

496
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:11,440
are not making decisions for the wrong
reasons or allowing players to override this because

497
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,440
they want to make the award get
that extra money. And like, it's

498
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,720
probably a bigger issue for someone like
Tyre's Haliburton, who has the contract incentive

499
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:22,359
tied to it by making all NBA
do we need to get rid of that?

500
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,240
Is that just part of it,
like the tying tying your max level

501
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,920
eligibility to you know, static,
to the All NBA, to All Stars

502
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,000
or whatever, Like I guess the
All Star for sure, because if you're

503
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,240
gonna allow fans and players to have
not All Star but whatever, it is

504
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,279
an All NBA MVP Defensive Player of
the Year. But what is the alternative

505
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,559
at that? Like to do you
not want to see those first players be

506
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,799
eligible to like get a thirty percent
match? Right? Who the team?

507
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:51,480
If you leave it to the team's
discretion, parrely, they're gonna make some

508
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:53,559
fucking stupid decisions, Like that's just
gonna be No, I would go the

509
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,519
other way. Maybe, well,
I don't know, you just set the

510
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:59,359
number like the you know, this
is a complaint people make all the time.

511
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,000
It's like talk about this guy's a
MAX guy. Like there's like seventeen

512
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:06,039
different ways to be a MAX guy, just spending on years of service and

513
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:08,640
you know that kind of thing,
like how you know whether you signed for

514
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:11,319
five or four or you super mac? Do you have a play? So

515
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,960
like we could just simplify it and
be like here are the numbers you can

516
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,759
get as a MAX player. You'd
have to figure out maybe you just tie

517
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,680
it to years of service instead,
so like, you know, a guy

518
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,799
coming off as rookie scale deal can't
get you know, Damian Lillard's last contract

519
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,680
level of money or something. But
we don't need to tie it to all

520
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:32,799
NBA or anything else. And then
maybe the guy if you're not going to

521
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:36,079
get rid of the game's threshold,
because one or the other would would work.

522
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,559
But if you've got to play sixty
five games and to make all NBA

523
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,519
to get your thirty year supermax,
like, let's just kick one of those

524
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,759
variables out. Either you know you
can make all NBA without playing sixty five

525
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:52,160
games, or you or I don't
know, it's not tie. Your contract's

526
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,440
not tied to that honor. I
think the rule needs to be repealed ultimately,

527
00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:00,440
just for the safety and integrity of
these games where it's like Embiid versus

528
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,880
the Warriors, Like the Sixers look
better without him beat on the court.

529
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,359
I don't want to see that it
was like a different guy. It happened

530
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:09,599
a bunch of times this week where
there were games that I was going to

531
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,519
tune into and I was like,
well, so and so is not playing,

532
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,160
like this sucks, but so I
can only imagine, for I'm not

533
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,160
going to spend money on a ticket
because I'd rather like if I get credentialed,

534
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,720
which I if we ever fought for
it anymore. But I have no

535
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:23,000
desire to be covering stuff on site
at the moment. Like, so I

536
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:28,119
get the frustration, the like what
is the like at the end to kind

537
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,160
of wrap up the entire discussion?
What is the solve then to forget about

538
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,720
awards? But it's well, you
want the best players on the court as

539
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:36,440
much as possible to really just come
down to then you need to be willing

540
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:42,480
to because there's something is not the
math isn't mathing here, and I don't

541
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:45,559
think it's fair to boil most of
this. There's a lot of instances where

542
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:50,720
teams might abuse the whole just resting
thing. But I say, we want

543
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:54,400
Embiid to stop performing poorly in the
playoffs or not be as banged up in

544
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,599
the playoffs, and then say,
but he's got to play in eighty games

545
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,839
or something, knowing his injury,
his street and does it all just come

546
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,319
back to well, then the season
needs to be shorter because this isn't Again,

547
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,359
it's not as simple as the players
they should have to do their jobs.

548
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,200
That's what the money is for.
Yeah, there's an element of it.

549
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,119
If that's why teams are just resting
them on the second night of back

550
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,839
to back without any health issues,
and then that's a bummer for the fans

551
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:19,400
for sure, especially when they're on
the road. I just don't have a

552
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,799
solve aside from well, then you
need to shorten the season, which at

553
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,880
this point has become very clear the
NBA is never going to do it.

554
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:30,400
And then so do you just trust
teams that they're going to be smarter,

555
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:32,279
But because there's always gonna be if
you get rid of the sixty five game

556
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:36,920
minimum or if you even if you
make these penalties we've seen the penalties with

557
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,559
the injury reporting, teams are just
gonna fuck with it anyway. But Google,

558
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:46,359
I think like, I don't I
don't know, I don't know what

559
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,359
the solve is, Like, you're
never going to shorten the season. And

560
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,720
then with what we've recently, what
the NBA has put out there about the

561
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,480
load management stuff is like, there's
it's not conclusive that being tired makes you

562
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:00,240
the season. It doesn't matter.
I know you're not on Twitter. Did

563
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:02,920
you happen to see what I said
when that report came out. No,

564
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,719
I quoted it and said, breaking
science alignes with the NBA's business interest,

565
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:12,159
right, It's like I have to
take that with a grain of salt to

566
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:15,400
where like, yeah, maybe it's
correct, And again I'm not. I

567
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,000
think there's a lot of people that
skew past empathy towards like let the players

568
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,840
do whatever they want because I'm pro
labor, and it's just different when it's

569
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:28,079
millionaires versus billionaires rather than the common
person versus these corporations. But I'm also

570
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,679
just like, yeah, I want
to see them play, but I also

571
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,840
want to see them as healthy and
talented and like at a high levels possible

572
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,719
in the playoffs when it matters most. That doesn't mean I want the regular

573
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,519
season to mean less. I just
think that the regular season is always going

574
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:45,199
to mean less because there's eighty two
games, right, and you're never gonna

575
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:49,400
have this. This is why I
feel like it's unfair to compare the NBA

576
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,840
to the NFL, because it's seventeen
games versus eighty two, and so it's

577
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,000
just like, yes, of course
there's a scarcity of product that's just not

578
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:59,679
going and they've also the NFL doesn't
sell their players as much because one,

579
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,559
there's many of them, and so
teams are still, as Carter Rodriguez in

580
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:07,039
the Chase Down put it, the
fans are generally still rooting for laundry.

581
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,840
They're not rooting for players. And
the NBA has been this player driven league.

582
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,400
And the other thing is is that
if you want it, let's let's

583
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,440
throw this in the direction of Okay, we see these games where let's use

584
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:20,679
the Jokic versus in Big Game in
Philadelphia, then they play together. But

585
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,679
you get these takes that are clearly
forced or just over the top from either

586
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:29,440
media members or fans, where it's
you can't really draw these profound conclusions from

587
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,760
one matchup in eighty two about Embid
and Jokic, like per year, or

588
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,400
even two matchups out of your eighty
two games, and so it's there's always

589
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,679
going to be the level of nuance
in context that is just lost because that's

590
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:44,320
not good for engagement. I just
don't know how to separate that from Okay,

591
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,079
well, like, how do we
actually maximize this product, make it

592
00:35:46,159 --> 00:35:51,639
mean something adequately catered to the fan
experience in the middle of the dog days

593
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,320
of the season, which are January
and February right now. And so it's

594
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,960
just I think this is why the
transactional window plays so well, and the

595
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:01,960
draft plays, and for agency plays
and trades play because they are these singular

596
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:06,960
events that have this massive impact on
what could happen on the court or a

597
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,000
team's future, and these singular games
during the regular season, they generally don't.

598
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,519
It's when you get to the playoffs. It's when the records are kind

599
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:17,079
of unfolding and you're battling for seating. I don't have an answer, so

600
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,920
this is all hypocritical. I can
get mad about the discourse round EMBIID,

601
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,639
but I don't necessarily have a perfect
solve for this. I think the biggest

602
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:28,119
issue, and I don't know how
you overcome it without dwindling down games is

603
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,719
you have in I don't want to
call it an oversaturation because the season is

604
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,400
the season. I'm not saying players
need to play less and make this like,

605
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,840
I just don't. I don't know
how to reconcile any of this.

606
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,320
Can we also just say that maybe, since this is the first year of

607
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,440
this rule, we don't know enough
yet about if it's a good idea or

608
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:46,679
not. I mean, I know
I started this discussion with like, is

609
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,079
this a good idea or we could
get rid of it? But like what

610
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:53,800
if in the in the aftermath of
like three years of this, it does

611
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,280
turn out that like some of the
best players did in fact play more because

612
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,719
of this rule, and we got
more good, meaningful, like fully talent

613
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,000
stocked games, and we otherwise would
have been like, yeah, there was

614
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:07,199
an embiid here or there, or
you know, maybe Haliburton came back a

615
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,119
little or there's a few of those. But like, I don't know,

616
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:10,360
it might net out to be a
positive. We don't. We don't know

617
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,880
yet for sure. It's it's problematic. I do think like even if it's

618
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,119
a bad idea ultimately, which maybe
it is, I think it's a credit

619
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:22,000
to the league that it's like we're
trying to solve this. We like,

620
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:23,880
we hear you, and it's just
it's a complicated problem and it might not

621
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,519
have a it will not have a
perfect solution, and it does not.

622
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,360
So we'll like to walk that back
if they repeal it as soon as the

623
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,440
TV dealer assigned, that's like you
weren't trying to fix shit. Yeah,

624
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,079
well yeah, ultimately it's a business, then priority one is let's make as

625
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:39,000
much money as we can. So
would this make any sense? And I

626
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,519
guess it would cost a lot of
resources, But like, did we just

627
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:47,320
need like thirty independent and like maybe
they're rotating where it's like these independent people

628
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:52,119
who evaluate the players and like their
medicals and decide what, Like is that

629
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,519
the way to go if you're going
to keep the sixty five game minimum?

630
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,360
I like, I don't know.
I have no idea. I think I

631
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,800
think I know. I asked you, is it gonna be repealed? Yeah,

632
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,440
he's gonna be something's gonna change.
I'm maybe saying it'll be repealed as

633
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,760
such a strung Like again, I
don't even know how much of that drove

634
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,480
what was going on with Embiid right
with you? Yeah? Maybe none,

635
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:20,159
maybe they Maybe it may be technical
technically unrelated in this case, although it

636
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:29,639
is tied. You know, that's
two related issues for this mini podcast.

637
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,960
We of course had to do the
stat padding after some Joel Embiid takes grant

638
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,960
you stat padding for me, Yes, I do. Dan. We're gonna

639
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,440
talk about free throws first, Uh, just start with the hot topics,

640
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,960
you know, we really want to
get into the most exciting aspects of the

641
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,880
game. I just want you to
tell me Dan who made more free throws

642
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:57,400
in his career Shaquille O'Neil or Mark
Price Shaquille O'Neil. That's correct, and

643
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,880
it's not close, but at fifty
two point seven percent versus Mark the four

644
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,800
percent, just I would say he
was just there or so often. Yeah,

645
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,559
just trying to try to see Shack
made fifty nine hundred fifty nine thirty

646
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,840
five. Price was only twenty one
thirty five. Dan who made more free

647
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:19,840
throws in his career? DeAndre Jordan
or Jose Calderon DeAndre Jordan. That's correct,

648
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,960
that's he almost doubled them up.
But Calderon eighty seven percent, DJ

649
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,440
forty seven thought it might God was
under ninety percent. Wow, I know

650
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:29,000
I was surprised by that too,
because he had that streak right where he

651
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,719
made like, yeah, all right, Dan who made more free throws in

652
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:37,679
his career? Dwight Howard or Reggie
Miller. Reggie Miller. That is correct.

653
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,360
It is a little closer, sixty
two to thirty seven versus fifty three

654
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,880
sixty one, so within a thousand
there, But Miller eighty eight percent almost

655
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,280
eighty nine, Dwight fifty seven.
Dan. Who made more free throws in

656
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,880
his career? Giannis Attatakumbo or Jimmy
Butler. Jimmy Butler, that's correct.

657
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,360
You said that very confidently. It
is less than one hundred that they're apart

658
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,440
music the line so often. I
guess that's like kind of a not a

659
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,440
new feature for him. But yeah, it's the difference between eighty four percent

660
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,360
for Butler and seventy percent for you. Honest which Donna sit? Seventy percent?

661
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:15,000
Isn't that surprising? Wow? Amazing? Uh, seventy point four and

662
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,239
and and falling, but you know
you may not be there for long.

663
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:22,920
That's the only one that might age
out. Johannis will definitely finish with more

664
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,480
career made free throws than Jimmy Butler. Got another one for you, ready?

665
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:30,239
Or you want to give me one? No, get hit me with

666
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,079
one, all right? We're talking
playoff wins, very different from free throws

667
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:39,000
here, Dan, tell me who
has more career playoff victories? Michael Jordan

668
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:45,039
or Tony Parker. Tony Parker correct
one thirty seven to one nineteen. Who

669
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:52,519
has more playoff victories? Magic Johnson
or Shaquille O'Neal. Shack's career was longer

670
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,960
Magic. I'm gonna say Magic Johnson. It is Shack if it makes you

671
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,440
feel any better. Shack has one
twenty nine. Magic has won twenty eight.

672
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,880
So you know, uh, Dan, who has more playoff victories?

673
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:13,320
Andrea Goudala or Dwayne Wade Andre Goadala. In fact, it is Andrea Goudala

674
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,280
one o seven to one oh five
Dan. Lastly, who has more playoff

675
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:22,440
victories? Bill Russell or Horace Grant? I'm just gonna say Horace Grant because

676
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,599
why else would he be on there? As well? That's one way to

677
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:28,960
get there. It is Horace Grant. I thought maybe the fact that Bill

678
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,239
Russell just won titles every year might
sway a lot shorter. There was like

679
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,320
four teams in the league, so
yeah, playoffs it didn't last that long,

680
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,079
all right? One last one here
or one last category, same idea.

681
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:46,360
Who has the higher career playoff scoring
average? Kobe Bryant or Shaquille O'Neil.

682
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,559
Shaquille O'Neil, it is Kobe twenty
five point six to twenty four point

683
00:41:52,559 --> 00:42:00,800
three for Shaq, Kareem abdul Jabbar
or Lebron James Lebron. It is Lebron,

684
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,599
You're correct. Twenty eight point five
to twenty four point three. Kind

685
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:07,199
of surprisingly low for Korean, but
I bet he had some like tail end

686
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:14,000
years that and also just a three
ball Yeah yeah. Klay Thompson or Tim

687
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:17,719
Duncan. Oh my god, I'm
gonna say just because at the tail end

688
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,320
of the Duncan years, I'm gonna
say Klay Thompson incorrect, It is still

689
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:28,400
Tim Duncan six to nineteen point two. Good one, all right? More,

690
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:31,960
Who has the higher career playoff scoring
average? Alan Iverson or Luka Doncic,

691
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:37,159
Luka Doncic thirty two point five to
twenty nine point seven, that's right,

692
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:43,719
higher career playoff scoring average Dan Anthony
Edwards or Steph Curry. I'm just

693
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,480
gonna say An he's played in such
a few games twenty eight point one to

694
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:52,639
twenty seven Curry, surprisingly because you
look at playoff career stats and Clay and

695
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,960
Draymond are always an Iguodala are often
ahead of him, and a lot of

696
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,559
things just because you forget that he
missed like big chunks of some their playoff

697
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:06,039
runs. Uh. Last one here, higher career playoff scoring average Yannis or

698
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:15,480
Donovan Mitchell. Ooh, I'm going
to say Yannis, it is Donovan Mitchell.

699
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:21,159
Twenty seven point eight to twenty six
point six. Wow, that's not

700
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:23,599
even Oh wait, twenty six point
eight to twenty This is like Mitchell's like

701
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:28,199
a point one point two points clear
of Yeah, that's not even that close

702
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,679
relative to points. I'm surprised Yiannis
is that low. Twenty six point six.

703
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,840
It feels like nothing. Hey,
he's shooting seventy percent for the pal

704
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,800
of his career, so you could
do whatever he wants. That's true.

705
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:42,519
Okay, I got two categories for
you, but they're on the longer end.

706
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,679
Okay. Grant which NBA player has
the highest winning percentage during games in

707
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,880
which they scored at least fifty points. Kareem abdul Jabbar or Elgin Baylor.

708
00:43:53,719 --> 00:44:00,400
Hmm, I'm gonna say Kareem,
I don't have a reason in correct.

709
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,159
He is eight and two, so
eighty percent when he scores fifty points.

710
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:07,159
Algim Baylor eighty eight point eight percent, sixteen and two who he scores fifty

711
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:13,199
points? Pretty good by both?
Pretty good job Kobe Bryant or James Harden.

712
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:17,719
I'm gonna say James Harden, because
I feel like some of do you

713
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,159
want to tell me if I'm wrong
before I give my explanation. You are

714
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,079
correct James Harden's seventy three point nine
percent seventeen to six, and then Kobe

715
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:30,000
Bryant sixty nine point three percent winning
percentage eighteen to eight. Kobe had some

716
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:34,480
ugly ones during those down years,
and then at the end, I think

717
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:40,840
some some some rough fifty Burgers Lebron
James or Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan,

718
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,239
that is incorrect. Michael Lebron James
eighty percent winning percentage twelve and three when

719
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:51,440
he scores fifty. Michael Jordan's seventy
four point four percent winning percentage twenty nine

720
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,880
and ten. That's tough. The
volume there hurt The volume there hurts him.

721
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,000
Thirty nine fifty point games to fifteen. Alan Iverson or Damian Lillard.

722
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:09,400
Hmmm, I'm gonna say Iverson incorrect. Damianellard seventy point six percent, Allen

723
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,960
Iverson sixty four point three percent.
Dame is twelve and five. Iverson is

724
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:16,119
nine and five. That's not very
good. I'm getting fifty, okay.

725
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:25,920
Kevin Durant or Steph Curry Steph incorrect. Oh, Kevin Durant seventy percent winning

726
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,599
percentage nine and three. Steph Curry
sixty nine point two winning percentage nine and

727
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:40,239
four. Joelle Embiid or Giannis attentacunpo
m. I'll say em Beid that is

728
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:45,159
correct, one hundred percent eight and
oh he's undefeated. Giannis is seven and

729
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,159
two, so seventy seven point eight
percent. Wow, he didn't know.

730
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:54,480
That's oppressive. Devin Booker or Jason
Tatum Ooh, I think I feel like

731
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:59,519
I know Booker's loss. We talked
about plus minus in big scoring games before

732
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,239
Tatum. That is correct. He's
undefeated at seven and oh, Devin Booker

733
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,920
is forty two point nine percent three
and four. That's that's amazing. Luka

734
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:16,559
Dancic or Kyrie Irving Luca. That
is correct. He's undefeated seven and oh,

735
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:22,400
Kyrie is eighty three point three percent
five in one. Anthony Davis or

736
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:30,039
Russell Westbrook Davis that is correct eighty
percent winning percentage four and one. Russell

737
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:36,000
Westbrook fifty percent at three and three. Russe has only had six fifty point

738
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:40,119
games. Why autin regular season?
Yeah? Wow? Carmelo Anthony or Bradley

739
00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:47,400
Beal I'll go against the you shouldn't
pick the volume guy, but I'll say

740
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,840
Mellow that is correct seventy five percent
three and one. Bradley Beal forty percent

741
00:46:52,880 --> 00:47:04,760
two and three. Derk Novitzky or
Shaquille O'Neal Dirk that is incorrect. Dirk

742
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,719
sixty six point seven percent two and
one. Shaq was undefeated at three to

743
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,800
zero. Okay, another one.
Shack had three fifty point games in his

744
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,599
career, and that's it. This
is the best proof that scoring has exploded

745
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:22,039
is because that feels impossible that he
didn't have like fifteen or twenty Okay,

746
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:30,119
sorry. Final one, Donovan Mitchell
or Klay Thompson. Pretty I wish I

747
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,719
could remember if Mitchell won or lost
that game where he and Murray both had

748
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,199
I think fifty. I'll say Clay
that is correct, one hundred percent for

749
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,079
Clay undefeated at four and oh.
Mitchell sixty six point seven percent two and

750
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:46,159
one. All right, nice job. I had a rough patch in the

751
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:49,639
middle of there, but I think
I think overall it was close to breaking

752
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:55,199
even. Okay, final category.
We are going to talk All Star selections.

753
00:47:57,159 --> 00:48:01,039
Grant which NBA player has more All
Star selections Kareem Abdul Jabbar or Lebron

754
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:07,440
James Lebron James. Twenty to nineteen
that is correct. Kobe Bryant or Tim

755
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:15,480
Duncan oh Man Uh Kobe correct.
Eighteen to fifteen. Shaquille O'Neal or Michael

756
00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:25,280
Jordan Jack That is correct. Fifteen
to fourteen. Kevin Garnett or Karl Malone

757
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:35,079
Malone that is incorrect fifteen to fourteen
in favor of Garnett. Kevin Durant or

758
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:39,360
Dwayne Wade. Oh Durance missed a
few because well, I guess you still

759
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,880
got names to it. I'm gonna
say I'm gonna say Wade incorrect. Kevin

760
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:52,280
Durant fourteen to thirteen. Chris Paul
or Allen Iverson oh Man Chris Paul correct.

761
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,559
Twelve to eleven. It was close. Larry Birder, Magic Johnson,

762
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:05,400
and I will point out they both
played thirteen seeds in the NBA. Yeah,

763
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,519
but Magic had that one at the
end that well, I think he

764
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:12,760
did play in the All Star Game
that last in the comeback Yere, I'll

765
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,000
say, I'm gonna say Larry Bird. I don't know why that is correct.

766
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:21,360
Twelve to eleven close. Anthony Davis
or Kyrie Irving. Oh wow,

767
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,719
that feels like it should definitely be
Davis. It is nine to eight though

768
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:30,679
extremely close. Ah, these are
so close. Chris Bosh or James Harden.

769
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:35,920
Hmmm, well Harden's what? Oh
for two of these last two?

770
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:42,280
I feel like I I'm gonna still
say Harden that is incorrect. Chris Boss

771
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,000
eleven to ten Chris eleven, All
Star Games. Wow. Jimmy Butler or

772
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:58,199
Joel Embiid Butler Joel Embiid seven to
six. Seven times we're getting old Giannis

773
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:05,000
attent to Koombo or Paul George.
Paul George correct nine times to Giannie's eight.

774
00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:15,159
Steve Nash or Scottie Pippen Nash that
is correct eight to seven. Nice

775
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:22,840
job, Damian Lillard or Kawhi Leonard
Damn That is correct eight to seven.

776
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,920
Ye, injury has killed Kawhi there, He's missed so many for that.

777
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:34,559
Bradley Beale or Karl Anthony Towns,
Oh Man, I'll say Beale that is

778
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:37,480
incorrect. Towns is now at four
to Beal's three. Wow, I was

779
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:46,239
gonna guess like six to five.
Finally, Devin Booker or Derrick Rose Booker

780
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:51,360
correct four to three. They were
just tied until Booker made his fourth one

781
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,280
oh wow, three All Star games
for Derrick Rose. That's tough, Grant.

782
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,960
Do you want to take us out
of here? Yeah? That was

783
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:00,599
fun. I like those. Thanks
everybody for checking out on this one.

784
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:06,440
As as we always do, we
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785
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786
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,280
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787
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,559
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788
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:21,480
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791
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792
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:35,000
just be part of the part of
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793
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,639
say. Join the discord, get
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794
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,159
stat patting stuff. We always appreciate
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795
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:44,880
always, we close with the shout
out to be one only Frank Malatina and

796
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:45,920
an apology to Cherit