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Welcome to softcore history. All right, welcome back to softcore history. My

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name is Jake Goldman, and I
am joined as always by our co host,

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co producer or whatever. Hope he's
the only producer right now. He's

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not producing though, right now?
Yeah, we have Cooper over here,

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and then Pulse is over there.
I just meant you Bill, that's right.

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Yeah, So thanks guys for helping
out today. I am also joined

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as always, but to my right, I guess screen left would be Rob

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right. Is the screen right too? It's stage left? Yeah, yeah,

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it's stage left. Okay, I
don't know you're you're the director here,

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Peter Man. Tell me where you
are? I am, I'm I

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am what you're just I was in
the theater. Made major in college?

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You know, fu that that would
be great, Robs. The Peter major

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would have made college even more fun
than it already was. Can you imagine

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how it's easy fucking college? How
much? How how much poor landing?

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How many poon man? Poon?
Yeah? The kids in fucking high school

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that were in a theater pulled the
most ass. Actually, kid I went

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to high school with who became a
massive porn star was the porn star Buddy

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yeah, I think theater kids.
Yeah, that's awesome. Good for him,

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it was it didn't he do like
a whole thing for when we were

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writing for TFM And something he did
he did expose how he had to like

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be constantly like switch hitting between like
coke and viagra and stuff like that.

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Yes. And also in tenth grade
he did a short film about Detective ed

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Opis. Yeah, it was a
oh my god, ha, that's you

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know what's funny. It's like,
even though he did that in tenth grade,

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that's something that I can imagine someone
if Rob did college theater making like

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that's their clever characters like Opis.
Yeah, why would it be ed Opis

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and not ed Opus like opus us? You know like Opus days? Yeah,

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and Ed I'll have to ask him. Yeah, when we run into

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each other cool on set? You
know, have you run a new each

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Have you run into him since he
was in porn? No? Okay,

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he's just in every port I watched. Yeah, he's just exclusively. I

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just I'm like, does it make
you like avoidant of porn sometimes knowing that

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you're gonna see your friends? Hog? No, you pushed through. He

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just fat through. He's not a
friend. He's like an acquaintance. Okay,

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so you're not on like group text
with this guy. No, Like

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we know each other and like the
only time I really texted him was to

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get him to write for TFM at
one point. But I never read that

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article about him having to just coking
Viagara all the time just to keep it

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up. Never had to do never
had to do porn. According to him,

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he never did gay porn. Yeah, he kind of found like the

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yeah, secret backdoor entrance into straight
point. But I mean he's pretty Yeah,

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he's pretty much. He's he's hit
all the big names out there.

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Did he like fuck Carter Cruse?
Yeah, really, he's in like he's

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in a lot of porn. Is
in a ton of porn. There's only

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like ten male porn stars in general. It's like you really don't need more

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than that. I mean, honestly, for it's a job where you only

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need the lower half most of the
time the dude. Like, no one

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needs to know what the dude's face
looks like. I like the porn where

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it's like a clearly a sleevez bag
porn start. It's just like a piece

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of shit and looks like he would
like Rob you and then get on his

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motorcycle. But he's dressed up as
like a jocker, extremely niche. How

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long the search? Okay, anyway, this is softcore history. We now

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know Rob's porn preference. Today we
were going to be talking about a very

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special sports moment. I personally am
not a baseball fan. Uh necessarily,

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I like certain baseball games. I'll
watch playoffs and stuff like that. I'll

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like college ball, yeah, but
I really watched a lot of major league

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sports. I like that we're setting
this up so it's Black History Month.

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It is Black February. Um,
we forgot about that last week. It

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was like February first or second,
Like, yeah, we wanted it was

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wanted to be topical, but h
you know, we're just gonna you know,

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like the rest of the United States, they took the shortest month of

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the God gave it to our black
people, our black friends, and uh

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we shortened that. So, um, we're gonna go three straight weeks of

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notable African Americans of note. And
I like that you went to fall athlete

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is Actually I think it's really messed
up that you're only categorizing him as an

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athlete because doc Ellis was an athlete, he's way more than an activist.

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Yes, and gave us one of
the most interesting moments in sports. Doc

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ellis through a no hitter. Is
it because like, uh, in my

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school, I only learned that black
people only created peanut butter. Right,

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Actually, George Washington Carver didn't create
peanut butter. Well, then I was

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lied to no one of them many
lies you were taught in your history class.

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Yeah, he had like ninety uses
for peanuts, not one of them

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I think was peanut butter. What
did he reasons? Interestingly enough? Actually

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know why he's important because he was
talking about top soil rotation. In order

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to my point is we don't give
him enough credit. We just absolutely know.

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We're just like, yeah, our
entire childhood is just like, yeah,

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black people in creative peanut butter.
To an eight year old, that's

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probably fine, Like it's like,
but yeah, it's like black people are

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important. You know that thing you
eat every day. I don't think it

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to you one thing. I don't
think most eight year olds are like,

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man, black people aren't that important. But come on, I think that's

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a weird loaded way for a weird
adult to be, Like, hey,

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if you don't think they're important,
Like all right, yeah, well it's

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the adults they're projecting on it.
Of course. So we are like,

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all right, so let's look at
our friend group in Austin. Uh,

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the perhaps maybe the whitest city in
America. This city is whiter than I

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am. I'm like, who can
we get on? Should we? Should

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we skype our friends in from back
home? Right? Uh? Because,

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like, to be honest, like
our roster here in Austin, it's it's

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a little depleted one of the things. It's very it's pasty as shit.

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I was gonna be like, hey, black friends and then have like an

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all point all post Bolton, like, hey, hit us up if you

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have any cool stories you want to
talk about. Then then I said in

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a group texts like, well,
one, we don't need a black person

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talking about my No, we're three
white, straight males talking about you know,

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history, the history. Okay,
you you started the Black History Month

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initiative. I just kind of forgot
to be honest with you, but I've

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been wanting to talk about Doc Ellis
for a long Yeah. Well it also

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is history a history month. Yeah, we are a history pod. We're

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a history podcast. Yeah. So
doc Ellis is important to me because I

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grew up always hearing about this,
doc Ellis. For all of you that

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don't know, how often did this
come up at the dinner table? Uh,

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it came up. It came up
on the walk after the dinner table

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with my friends. Okay, yeah, so like it came up a lot.

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Like when you say you grew up
hearing about it, that that implies

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that your dad was like you think
I have a piece of shit for doing

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drugs. Let me tell you about
dac Ellis. It's more about his mom.

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Well, his mom is definitely the
yeah, the rad one on that

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For his mom, doc Ellis was
the one that got away. So no,

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my mom was dude, My mom
was seven when doc Ellis through the

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no hitter. Okay, let me
let me stop bearing the lead here.

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Doc Ellis in nineteen seventy through a
no hitter, completely whacked out on LSD.

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It was a no hitter or completely
or not a perfect game. It

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was a no hitter perfect with like
eight people he hit yea yeah, yeah,

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yeah, but there's a lot not
a clean scorecard. Well come on,

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yeah, no, for sure,
I mean there's a lot. We're

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gonna talk about impossible feet on LSD
most and perfect games thelmost impossible period.

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It's only been about twenty one in
the history of day rip. I mean,

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so and no hitters are a perfect
game. But he couldn't fly a

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plane perfectly. Wow. No,
sure he was actually like fucked up in

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that play ironically. Yeah, we
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No, but I mean like he
was like on something. Yeah we know,

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Yeah, we don't. We don't
need to go through the I'm just

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saying talk reports pitched a perfect game
on drugs or pitched a no hitter on

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drugs, and Roy Holliday, who
pitched a perfect game died flying a plane

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on drugs. Yeah, so doc
Ellis didn't do that, So I think

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the wind goes there, right.
No, he's dead. He died deliver

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cyrosis. Oh yeah. So we're
gonna talk a lot more about the person

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doc Ellis than this one kind of
isolated moment, because I think there's a

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lot to understand that led up to
him being whacked out on drugs throwing a

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no hitter, Like you don't just
start the day like I'm gonna take acid

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and do a no hitter. Games
at a different time Jake. It was

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a different time, but Ellis was
actually going through quite a bit. I

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mean, not only was he dealing
with the complications and struggles of someone that

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was one of the you know,
he was on the Pittsburgh Pirates in the

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early seventies and that was one of
the first all black starting lineups in Major

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League Baseball. He's facing a lot
of societal pressures too, because he was

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basically like, if you fuck up, you're done kind of player in the

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league. But I kind of want
to go through a little bit of background

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on him before we get to that
game. Yeah, I mean, think

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about just the amount of people that
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I mean that that window was very
small, oh for sure. Yeah.

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And I mean you were talking about
Jackie because Jackie Robinson was what what year

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was that, but like forty seven, forty nine, Yeah, something like

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that. Yeah. So this,
I mean this not too long out.

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I mean, baseball have been integrated
for twenty plus years at this point,

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so right, But it's also during
the height of the Oh there's still people

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are still racist, I get Yeah, No, I mean and also the

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god equal equal rights activism. What's
the name of the bill the Civil Rights

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Act, the Civil Rights Yeah,
wolves signed in sixty nine. Yeah,

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it was just signed, like so
that's it's it was forty nine. It's

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not so much that it's like,
oh, it's been twenty years since its

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been integrated. Like you said,
racism is always happening, but also it's

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in the heat of just all this
coverage about the Civil Rights Act. Everybody,

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I want to say, what Martin
Luther King Junior is probably assassinated like

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a year or two before that.
Yeah, I mean you have Selma going

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on in the decade prior, but
the happening. Yes, but our boy

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Doc was actually born in March eleventh, nineteen forty five, so not too

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far before the Jackie Robi was more
and two years before baseball integrated. Well.

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Also, right after World War two
draft dodger, someone would say,

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yes, he was out the draft
dodging fetus, that's right. No,

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if he should have just came out
early, yeah, servery country, Yeah,

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that's right. Just get in there, man. Even black people didn't

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have to do that much scary stuff
in World War Two. Like you had

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the Tuskegee Airman and a couple actually, but most of them were relegated to

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like driving trucks and bullshit like that. So yeah, we didn't integrate until

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the Truman integrated for the Korean War. That was the first time. Well

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I was gonna do the Tuskegee Airman
actually for this episode, but um,

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a lot to cover for like not
a ton of action, is it the

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red Tails? Yeah? Yeah,
what do you mean, like they didn't

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Well, it's just like a lot. It's a long time. They like

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accomplished a lot, of course,
but it's like there's not like a moment

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like someone throwing a no hitter on
acid into it. The Tuskegee Airman is

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like fascinating, but it's not a
good topic for our podcast because thing crazy

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really had. It's war straightforward.
It's just really that's the West. That's

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the way to put it there.
It's they were they were pretty straightforwardly in

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war and yeah and good at their
jobs, like they was like nothing whacky

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half. It's because it's like,
oh yeah, they are also competent in

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what they do. Yeah, like
and like the most you could say it

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is like you could probably bring up
some racist stuff that happened to them,

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but even then it's not like it's
just like and then this racist thing happened.

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Like it's not it's not like you
won't fucking believe, but so so

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just a kind of note like when
Duck Else is going to school in LA

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he played basketball. He wasn't really
he played like kind of semi professional baseball,

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but he wouldn't play for the school. Um, he was starting drinking

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already and doing drugs. But he's
really good at basketball. And he's like

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fourteen years old when he starts drinking, but he's pretty good at hiding it.

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And then his senior year he's like, fucking I'm gonna start doing drugs

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at school before games, and so
they catch him just high shit smoking a

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bunch of weed in a bathroom,
which is, you know, fun,

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I'm sure before basketball. And by
the way, getting caught smoking weed in

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the nineteen fifties or early sixties is
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know what the equivalent to like getting
caught now because now weeds like a lot

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more normalized, but like back then, it was like like a demon drug,

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you know, yeah, I mean
there was there's like finding so it's

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like walking into a junior high bathroom
and find someone like shooting up heroin yeah.

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I think there's a famous uh billboard
and fear and loathing that shows like

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what are you talking about? There? There are people overdosing on marijuana the

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like today today, okay, rob
today, Wait, someone overdos on marijuana

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today? No, there's who is
the subjects hundreds. I think there's somebody

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that was tweeting about that, like
over the weekend. Oh that's ridiculous.

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I seen some like super conservative a
ton of weed, give yourself a panic

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attack and die. I guess if
you I mean yeah, if you're yeah,

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I mean if you're a fuck.
There's a basketball player that ate too

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many gummies on AO. Okay,
eating too many gummies is not smoking too

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much weed, Like if you see, you're gonna get yourself so year last

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year. Yeah, Like if you
eat too many gummies on accident, you

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could have a bad time, like
a really bad one, but especially on

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a plane. Have you ever taken
too many edibles? Of course I have

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it. It was Dion Waiters actually, yeah, yeah. We we made

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weed brownies one time in college and
we were already like high or drunk or

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something, I don't remember, but
we cut the brownies like normal within length

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without taking into account depth of pan. So we really deep brown Yeah,

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it was deep. They were deep, and we basically it was basically doubling

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up on the fucking dose. Right. I was up to like four in

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the morning, zart pounding. Yeah, you know, I made my own

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butter and uh didn't really know the
potency of it. Yeah. I ended

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up being high for about three days. Yeah, it's not here. Yeah.

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It's really funny when college kids are
like I think I'm gonna try it

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and then they don't know what they're
doing or like how it translates, like

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well, I only put like a
quarter of an ounce in this brownie pan,

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but it's like it's a way different
high. Yeah. Anyway, so

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he gets caught smoking marijuana in the
bathroom and they're like, hey, listen,

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we can expel you, but we're
not going to if you play for

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our baseball team at the high school
level, and he's like ideal. He's

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like all right, fine, Well
here's the thing. He was very adamant

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vocal about not joining that baseball team
because when he was there for tryouts his

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first year, UH kid called him
a spear chucker, and he was like,

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I don't want to be on a
team with a bunch of white dudes

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to call me spear chucker, Yeah, exactly. Honestly, that feels kind

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of tamed for the nineteen sixties,
right, I mean it's still yeah,

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I mean there's it's California. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, they're they're

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they're always ahead of the curve.
Rights yeah, yeah, yeah, they

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were very progressive. They'd relegated back
down to like just cheap like rights.

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Right, Although honestly, a part
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is like a worse racist because they're
trying to get creative with it. Yeah,

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they're getting artsy. Yeah, like
if they just call you the N

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word, like you just know they're
just an old fashioned piece of shit race.

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But if this one's like thinking about
it enough to like, uh diversify,

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like ter yeah, I mean ranking
racist. That's kind of a throwaway

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line too, Like I've heard a
lot of people in Philadelphia throw that out.

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I'm sure one of the most that
is. It's such a sounds like

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like I can only hear that word, uh in a Boston accent. I

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was gonna say Baltimore, Like it
just sounds like what an East Coast well,

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like old schools Northeast, East Coast
city racist. It's so weird helvasive.

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Yeah, it's weird how pervasive racism
is in like the old school guys

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up north, like you would think
it would not be. No one gets

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a raw deal than the South on
that ship. It's where we're like,

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we're equal opportunity, like the opportunity
racists in the Northeast. We'll go out

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through the Italians, We'll go after
the Pollo. That's fair. All I'm

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saying is people really try to just
dump it on the South. Oh yeah,

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totally hit fucking super not yeah.
No, I mean if anyone's ever

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been to Baltimore, Maryland, like
yeah, yeah, because the South like

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focuses on one or two groups and
the Northeast has everybody hate everyone up there.

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Yeah, we hate everyone. We
don't get is it racism if you

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hate everyone? No? Yeah,
well still yeah, but hate yourself though

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too. Yeah, that's what.
We hate everyone, but we hate them

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for their race anyway, whereas we
hate other people for so dac Ellis only

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appeared in four games, and he
was named All League that year because he

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was so good. He was already
playing like semi professionally against He was a

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high school kid who was playing against
adults and then he had to go play

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against kids. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, he was crushing it. So

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God, I'm kind of mad at
you for doing this topic because I wanted.

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I wanted to do Will Chamberlain like
you in high school. He had

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a whole complete alias where he played
professional basketball at sixteen under a different name.

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You can totally do this topic.
No, well, that'll be for

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that'll next year. We'll say that
for next year. Okay, yeah,

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okay, So because we're not going
athlete athlete, why not, because there's

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more it's a black history than just
we're gonna black history. Well, next

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week, next week on softcore History. You get ready for Peanut Butter the

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episode. All right, So,
various Major League Baseball teams attempted to sign

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him to a professional contract while he
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But he had heard that the Pittsburgh
Pirates gave out signing bonuses of sixty

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thousand dollars. So he's like,
fuck that, I'm holding out until Pittsburgh

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signs me, and he got them
to sign him. The thing is,

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while he was holding out, he's
stole a car. Ah. Yeah,

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so we're gonna start down a little
path here with Doc Ellis where I'm gonna

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tell you he wasn't a great dude. Like he did a lot of dumb

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shit, right obviously, but look
fancy back then was like shoplift apparently still

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in a car, got you sent
to the Navy? Yeah, yeah,

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I didn't like I was actually one
of our better episodes. Go ahead and

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check out John Dillinger episode. But
yeah, he stole a car, ended

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up in the Navy, and then
just bailed. He's like, yuh did

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my six months? Yeah? Good? You know, I mean, like

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it's they they do they still do
that? Are they still like? All

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right, you're still this guy?
But if you join the army, Yeah,

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I'm trying to adjust my face around
the stuff I need to read yet.

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But so after he gets probation,
a scout reaches out to him.

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He's like, hey, we'll sign
you. It's a twenty five hundred dollars

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signing, but I said, you
get five. What was he getting signed

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off of though? Because they're just
like, hey, you look like an

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athlete. I think just talent at
the minor league level. He was also

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playing in junior college, right scouting, Yeah, just scouting like he was.

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He was my dad played at junior
college. Oh wow, did your

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dad ever throw no? No on
acid? He never did. No.

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Yeah, that's why we're not talking
about him. Some people say, or

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just mainly him, said they made
him throw his arm out. I know

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a lot of people that actually say
that could have been at uh anyway,

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So he believed he was not a
part of the major league, Like right

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off the bat, the Pirate's main
what Triple A organization? He was?

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He got signed at Triple A is
what? You know what I'm saying.

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He wasn't. He wasn't. He
was brought into the organization, but he

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wasn't at the Triple A level yet. So yeah, or even back then,

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I don't know. Yeah, this
is what level bad. I mean

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there was Triple A teams back then, but I don't know how Like yeah,

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now there's now there's a ball double
A, Triple A, but there's

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also rookie ball sum really, I
mean there's everything anyway, So he's in

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the lower level of the organization and
he was starting to see that, like

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he want to know about these four
games he played in high school, But

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did they even touch him? Like
I can't imagine he was all hit Like,

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no, he must have been crushing. I mean, there's a player.

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Oh fuck, he was in the
playoffs this year. I forget who,

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but some picture he's like a fat
country idiot too, and they're the

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best his era in high school.
I want to say he had something like

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two hundred strikeouts and allowed like three
runs all season or something like like just

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some obscene numbers hit us up in
our DM or some about this because I

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can't remember. I have no idea
who was, but it was just some

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big, fat country idiot just hucking
rocks. Yeah, dude, it's like

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watching Jared rends in and as like
Kentucky highlights when by the way, I

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know sad Day anyway, we're not
talking about him though anyway. So he

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believed he was not on the major
league level, like on the actual starting

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club, because the Pirates had already
had a number of African American players,

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and he felt that the team did
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they were on pace to like have
the first quota. That's definitely a real

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thing. Yeah no, and like, well white too many black folks on

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and he would say this stuff.
They'd be like, no, Doc,

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that's not true, Like we just
you know. But it's kind of the

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double talk that he had to start
dealing with a lot in his professional career,

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because it's like, okay, man, instead of you being such a

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loud mouth, he should be thankful
you are where you are. And that's

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kind of the attitude he's going on
today. People are yelling a fucking Lebron

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to shut up and dribble like it's
absurd, that is, it's just for

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someone to tell that to Lebron James. Are you fucking kidding? He's about

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to win MVP again. It's like
telling Tiger Woods to shut up and swing

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your club, like should be got
to be fair, to be fair,

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because I just like you say to
be fair. Man. D pisses Dan

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off because all I will say about
Lebron James shutting up and dribbling or not

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shutting up and dribbling, is that
I don't want him to shut up and

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dribble, but I do not want
him to elaborate too much, Like just

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point me to what you think is
a good source, Like I don't want

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you to explain the issue to me, Lebron James. Point me to what

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you read and I'll read it.
But like, I don't think Lebron James

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or any athlete is very good at
like get like anyone who's like, at

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some point you have to listen to
an expert, right, Like I want

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Lebron James, Lebron James saying,
like, you know, black people treated

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badly by the police. That's great, he should do that. He has

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a platform, But like I don't
want Lebron James to get into policy,

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like I don't want col Kaepernick to
get into policy. Point me to the

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people I should be listening to,
Like you should be flagging people down and

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pointing them to where they like the
people they should listen to, advocate for

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specific representatives or anything like that.
That are right, you know that's there

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is a limit on what and on
what the on like how much anyone who's

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being an activist who isn't an expert
on the subject should talk about it before

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they're like before they pass it off
to the people who will actually explain it.

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Well, sure, I mean,
because I still don't want to be

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lectured by millionaires. Like that could
also be said about like my uncle at

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Thanksgiving. Yes, yeah, it's
most people that aren't expert. Everyone your

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uncle, like no, I mean
like if you want to go that way,

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like that's fine too, like shut
up and plumb. Yeah you know

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what I mean. Right, No, that's shut that is that's excellent,

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Like shut up and turn that wrench
like uncle. Yeah, no, for

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sure. It's people don't understand things
are like a two way street though.

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It's like fucking Twitter. You you
were saying shut up and dribble on Twitter?

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Yeah, literally, anyone you shouldn't. Yeah, you should shut up

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and go back to accounting. Yeah
right, what's your job? Yeah,

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no, no, you shouldn't.
No one should be telling anyone who has

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a platform like that too not speak
out. The only thing is that like

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there's a level. Sure, I
don't know. I don't want you to

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be I don't want you to present
yourself as the expert. I want you

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to be a signpost. Yeah,
expert, Steven Jackson, when you dig

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in a little too deep, it's
like we don't need to hear too much

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from Stephen Jackson because then he goes
full the true sons of Israel, right,

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I love the true sons of Israel
like that that's the trap that like

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even like fucking Kaepernick falls into where
he starts explaining Cuban refugees why Castro is

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awesome in Miami. Yeah. Yeah, like you're out of your depth.

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That's the point, like very beyond
the pale for you. Um, also

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to you, Like even David Ike
was like a famous soccer player, right,

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a famous soccer announcer, and he's
now like talking about the lizard people

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and how they control the world.
Yeah, It's just there are people in

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sports that maybe should have some range, like anyone with the platform should be

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a signpost for the experts. Sure. Anyway, Ellis, uh, after

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kind of sitting around in the like
in the organization, he was sent down

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to the making Pete Is of the
Southern League for a little bit, which

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Ellis believed was because of the length
of his hair. Now, Ellis had

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some notable like flow flow or from
so he were he were like curlers.

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So I don't know like if it
was like curl I don't know if it

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was like a Jerry curl or just
kind of like curly big hair. Um.

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There is a lot of controversy around
his hair being just oily, you

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know, because the it was very
black and oily like. People were like

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so he just looked too black pretty
much. Yeah, that was kind of

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what the I was almost like,
Oh, it's the controversy that he was

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like putting shit on the ball,
but you wouldn't want to put oil on

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the ball, right, Actually,
funny you mentioned Funny you mentioned that I

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thought you want something that will give
you more grip, like pine tar.

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Yeah, I mean anything that makes
the ball moist. Oh yeah, I

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guess that's true. Yeah, so
yeah, okay, so the oily hair

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in that regard would partially be an
issue. So actually, yeah, now

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that you say that, he did
use the oil in his hair to throw

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hot pitch, which is great,
It's amazing. He's like, oh,

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you guys hate me for this black
thing I have going on, Like I'm

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gonna use it the beat to be
fair though, I love that kind of

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cheating. Yeah, steroids is lame, and if they're lame to me,

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and like, if you're like the
Black Sox and you're throwing the World Series

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the game is bullshit. But doing
like Tikie tech shit like that, I

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love that. So you're a big
fan of the Astros, then yes,

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I'm I'm down with what the Astros. Did you like the buzzer underneath the

407
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,759
shirt. Yeah. Man, Yeah, that's one of the most storied parts.

408
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,960
One of the best parts of baseball
history is the cheating. Yes,

409
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,599
the rampant cheating. Steroids. What's
wrong with steroids? I just think I

410
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,720
don't like that for some reason.
I don't know. I can't justify myself.

411
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:49,880
I just don't like it. No, I personally I don't care about

412
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,200
steroids because I think if someone wants
to push themselves through the limits of physical

413
00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:57,759
strength and like possibly jeopardize their health
in a moment of Jordan like, yeah,

414
00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:02,480
I think we talked about this on
the episode, but they asked Olympians

415
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:07,400
like if you could take if you
could do some sort of exercise regiment or

416
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,680
take some drug where it would reduce
your life by like twenty years, but

417
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,599
you get to be on the gold
Like you get to be on the podium

418
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,480
holding the gold medal. Would you
do it? And they're like, in

419
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:22,279
a heartbeat, I do not think
I would want to die at sixty with

420
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,200
a gold medal rather than live to
eighty. All right, would you want

421
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,000
to be Lance Armstrong? I mean
no, wait, am I gonna die?

422
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,960
No? He's not dead. Yeah, Oh that's fine, yeah,

423
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,680
are you taking Lance Armstrong's life?
You lose a ball, you have cancer

424
00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:40,599
because of the Probably if I get
to live the whole thing, I wouldn't.

425
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,640
I wouldn't like level up an age
twenty years out of nowhere, you

426
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,839
know what I mean? Like you
just drop into Lance Armstrong's body right now,

427
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,519
Yeah, the tail end of a
lot of fun. Yeah, yeah,

428
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,079
yeah, i'd go. But I
mean, if I could live the

429
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,160
whole thing and fuck Cheryl Crow and
shit like, yeah for sure, why

430
00:26:53,240 --> 00:27:00,680
not? Show Crow seems like your
type anyway, miszoo, Oh my gosh.

431
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:03,000
During his minor league career, here's
some other funds. Oh sorry,

432
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,400
I didn't say this, but as
soon as Ellis shaved his head in Georgia,

433
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,720
they moved him back up to the
Columbus teams. Yes, so during

434
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:11,319
his minor league career, here's some
other stuff though. Ellis what's chased the

435
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,279
heckler and the stands with a baseball
bat. That's that's tight. I love

436
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,720
amazing. He also used pills when
he pitched, obviously. Do you think

437
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,599
he chased him for I was if
he was in Georgia, it might have

438
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,759
been something really definitely, which is
funny because one time, thy Cobb went

439
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,920
into the stands and beat the shit
out of someone for calling him arms and

440
00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:33,119
no legs. Right, yeah,
we really need to do a ty Cob

441
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,559
episode. Wait what thy Cob is
insane? I got beat up a quadriple

442
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:41,359
quadriplegic who I think might have lost
him in World War One or for calling

443
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,599
him what? Right? Yeah,
he called him the N word. Oh

444
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,599
my god, they called the guy
called thy Cob the N word, and

445
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,319
thy cod or thy Cob was offended, like not because it's like, hey,

446
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,160
that's racist, but because thy Cob
was so racist that he hated being

447
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,799
called black, right, so he
beat him up for calling him black?

448
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:07,039
Is not? Is one of the
biggest pieces of shit. Yeah, anyway,

449
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,759
tie Cop is a we actually we
really did to do a tie Cop

450
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,799
episode. He is hilariously awful.
We might have to do like a whole

451
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:15,680
like Sports Month or something too.
Yeah. Yeah, anyway. So,

452
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,759
also, as it's probably well known, many players were doing this too.

453
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:23,799
But of course Doc Ellis was very
much involved with the emphetamines benz A green

454
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:30,279
Greenies. Yeah so Dexi's I think
were the green ones. Okay, mistakes

455
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:33,519
just a giant jar in the clubhouse
that you just kind of reach into,

456
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,920
like yeah like suit like which but
they're fucking how bad? Does that actually

457
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,559
like get you jacked up? Because
I feel like you could just like slam

458
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,039
three cold bruise. No, not
really, this is you're talking about like

459
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:48,000
nineteen seventy speed dude, Like it's
the rockiest shit out right, Like yeah,

460
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,319
yeah, these are like fucking um
just hard candy in your your grandparents

461
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,799
house like that are just left.
They refined it into a how does adderall

462
00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:59,680
make you feel? And imagine how
that feeling was before they rEFInd it down

463
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,960
to app I mean I was on
some pretty early versions of a roll caffee,

464
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:10,000
so Folkland was after the caffeine stuff
back then was probably way weaker,

465
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,640
right, No, caffeine I think
was about the same anyway. Weed was

466
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,799
weaker, yeah, better though we
also wait that our parents smoked was fucking

467
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:19,880
tumbleweed. Chit it was. I
mean, if you want to talk,

468
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,880
we can do the history of weed
one day, which would be great.

469
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,319
Yeah. Yeah, I remember smoking
my dad not too long ago, and

470
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,960
he was just like this is this
is not the weed. It's not even

471
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:33,519
the same drug. No, Like
it's insane anyway, speaking of drugs,

472
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:37,440
let's get back to ephetamines real quick. Um so Ellis said he was doing

473
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,240
the emphetamines and the ducks and meal
uh because he was stressed by the pressure

474
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,799
of his can't miss status as a
prospect. So basically he couldn't fuck up

475
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,359
or like have a slump as a
picture or else he was going to be

476
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,440
gone. He's already caused some problem. He's a loud mouth, right,

477
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:55,000
so he can't have a slump.
I mean, it's you could make the

478
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:57,880
arguments the same thing right now with
just NFL quarterbacks. Totally, any black

479
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:03,079
quarterback like fucks up, they don't
get a second chance. They're They're not

480
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,160
like some ree tred quarterbacks. They're
not Garrett Gilberts. They're not the Blaine

481
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,440
Gabberts of the Blain Gabbert existing on
rosters. For there's no Jesus that's black.

482
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:15,759
But it's the type of thing where, well, Vince Young might not

483
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,960
be a great example because he's an
extremely poor decision maker, but there are

484
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,880
yes, a lot of like black
quarterbacks who probably people are like, I

485
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,599
don't want him as a backup,
right they would, They're like these guys

486
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,599
might not still like like blame Gabert, Like Blaine Gabert shouldn't be a starter,

487
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,319
but he's up. People think he's
a competent backup, Like he's fine,

488
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,359
but they want him to throw rattle
out routes and stuff like that.

489
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:41,240
Yeah, so they pretty much thank
you are that way, like they're not

490
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:44,960
that way with black quarterbacks. Way, like, yeah, it's amazing the

491
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,400
kind of like I mean, Chase
Daniels made like forty million dollars you're saying,

492
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,559
you're saying, like p J.
Walker can't like be a backup in

493
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:56,960
the NFL Byron Leftwich, he could. I mean, he's offensive, he's

494
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,599
no see now and he's a head
coach soon. But uh but still though,

495
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,720
like his career probably should have been
a little longer. You're naming like

496
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:11,319
all the Jacks, every Jags quarterback
then anyway, So he eventually, so

497
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,559
Ellis said, like later on his
career, he never pitched a game at

498
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:18,960
the major league level without em fetamines
like he dude, but yeah, everyone

499
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:21,039
was on those backs, right,
But that's insane. That's a lot of

500
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:26,720
tool on your body. Eventually,
but so he eventually clearing that up.

501
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,680
Yeah, I'm not I'm not trying
to make sense of it. I'm just

502
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:36,559
so he needed like eighty five milligrams
of dex mil a game just to be

503
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:41,680
able to pitch. Uh so to
give reference to that my highest Adderall prescription

504
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:44,960
ever for actual like school related things. So I think like thirty milligrams.

505
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,200
Yeah, I knew he would push
seventies and like that was a ton.

506
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:51,039
Yeah, that was a fun ton
and that was extended. I was super

507
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:52,400
it was extended released. Yeah,
so it was throughout the course of the

508
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,160
day. This guy's taken eighty five
milligrams to the dome, like right before

509
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,400
he goes out on the mount.
Yeah, that's insane, Like right before

510
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,440
he goes to warm I'm trying to
work out because the fucking the fucking crash

511
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:06,559
you have on that ship. Oh
you just drink through that. That's the

512
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,359
reason, like people, that's what
the reason, Like adderall causes depression.

513
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:16,599
Yeah, it's because you're literally a
child who doesn't know how to deal with

514
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,319
a hangover, right right, Like
it's not the same as an alcoholic over,

515
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,880
but it's a crash and the anxiety
from that crash and everything you're not

516
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,599
you're not understanding the chemicals. Yeah, the chemical imbalance. And as soon

517
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,200
as I feel as soon as I
figured that out, the depression went away.

518
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,319
As soon as I was like,
this is chemical like this, I'm

519
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:36,319
not. I don't actually have anything
wrong. I'm being. My mind is

520
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,200
being. Yeah, your mind's fucked. You fucked with your brain. You

521
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:42,319
borrowed fun from the day later.
Yeah, you borrowed fun from a day.

522
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,519
Yeah, so that day is especially
not as good. It was really

523
00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:45,440
big to figure that out. Yeah, no, I mean I think that's

524
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:49,720
big for even like drinking. Like, I'm starting to get to the point

525
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,519
where it's I don't have like as
much hangover anxiety anymore as I used to,

526
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,519
because it's like, oh, I
just feel like shit, I'm not

527
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,839
you have not hangover anxiety to begin
with. Yeah, why talking about because

528
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,039
a drink of fun? Don't think
it was a piece of shit for no

529
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,920
reason because I couldn't remember anything.
You also just it also just causes anxiety

530
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:07,680
because you have anxiety like it's the
it's the it's withdrawal. Yeah, it's

531
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:13,200
symptom. Dan doesn't believe in mental
health. That's fine, Yeah, he

532
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:17,480
uses, we don't have to address
this, but fuck, you know,

533
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,000
what do you want to say?
No, No, we're good. We're

534
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:22,559
good. Okay, we just keep
it all locked in that big head.

535
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:27,720
Never never let it out. Man. Oh, my life's so tough.

536
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,359
I'm not saying it's tough. My
life's exceptionally easy. I just hate my

537
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:37,880
song. Sure anyway, talk else
anyway. Yeah. So he would take

538
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,440
like five to twelve capsules before pitching, depending on their strength, and uh

539
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,039
I was even acknowledged later. Of
course, he started using cocaine as well

540
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:49,319
in the nineteen sixties. But all
that to say, he's doing a lot

541
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:51,960
of drugs, he's getting into a
lot of mischief, and it all kind

542
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,599
of culminates in June of nineteen seventy. So this is the no no talk

543
00:33:57,599 --> 00:33:59,880
about Now, this is kind of
leading up to but you have all these

544
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:01,839
chemical imbalances going on in his brain. You have all this talent in the

545
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:07,319
world. How did he not come
up with the gyro ball? What is

546
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:10,639
the gyroball? It's the fucking ball
that uh they thought, um fuck?

547
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:15,360
What was his name from Japan that
came over for the Red Sox can no

548
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:20,599
dice k dice k? Yeah yeah, yeah, They're like, oh man,

549
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,280
he throws this incredible, crazy pitch
it's never been seen before. It's

550
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,639
the gyro ball, and it just
never had like it was fable. It

551
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,440
was fiction, so no one had
ever seen it. Yeah, so much

552
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:35,480
like that, no one has actually
ever seen footage of this game that I'm

553
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,559
about to talk about. Okay,
it was it was filmed. This this

554
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,239
was filmed. Yeah, it was
definitely filmed. And there's there is a

555
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,000
whole I believe he narrates like a
thirty four thirty short the Duck Humentory.

556
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:51,480
Yeah, um, where they do
a little cartoon. I would recommend checking

557
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:52,960
that out. I think I sent
that over in my links today, like

558
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:57,519
the four minute thing where it's him
narrating it or whatever. And by the

559
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:04,679
way, it's worth noting, um, dac ellis probably never not probably he

560
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,880
didn't necessarily live up to his uh
super duper prospect status, but like he

561
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,159
had a good World Series, he
had a good career. Yeah, he

562
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:14,519
had a great career. But like
he's not a cy young winner, but

563
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:17,159
he's he I mean like just reading
off his era like or his wins above

564
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:22,039
replacement, Like look he's not Satchel
Page but no, but he I mean

565
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:24,639
he had ras in like two seventy
three oh, five three, sixteen.

566
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:28,760
Yeah, I mean, like he
had a he's a solid baseball player.

567
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,639
He and several times he had a
f laur above four thirty thirty wins above

568
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:37,760
replacement for his career, which is
like good. That means you're a good

569
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,119
player if you have thirty wins above
replacement, like the average person, you

570
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:45,519
know, like a random big leaguer
has like ten. Probably fair enough.

571
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:47,360
Yeah, I mean, I don't
know that much about baseball stats, so

572
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,239
that's helpful for people that no baseball
stats. But yeah, so dac ellis

573
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:54,679
definitely not a Hall of Famer.
Also definitely not a scrub. Now,

574
00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:00,760
granted his low ras, he was
pitching in a in a time when offense

575
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,880
was relatively suppressed, like there weren't
big offensive numbers back then. It's because

576
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,239
it was their second job. Still, No, not in the seventies,

577
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,599
what sixties, the sixties, seventies, It wasn't their second jobs in the

578
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,360
twenties for sure, wasn't in twenties. What are you talking about. They're

579
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,960
like, they're fucking milkmen, and
no, they were not milkmen by the

580
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,880
twenties, are you kidding me?
I mean it was the it was the

581
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,000
great American pastime by then, so
his horse race, and certainly post World

582
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:30,800
War Two is they're not they don't
have second jobs. But like I said,

583
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,320
the offense wasn't. The offense was
a bit suppressed. I want to

584
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,199
say in sixty eight they actually had
to lower the mound because it was like

585
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:44,840
offense was getting insane. So in
nineteen sixty eight something like that, Bob

586
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,880
Gibson set the record of the Saint
Louis Cardinals. Another maybe the greatest black

587
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,519
pitcher of all time and easily a
top five to ten great pitcher of all

588
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:57,960
time period. He set the all
time r A record for a single season.

589
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,519
It was like one point one two
or something like, which is just

590
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,920
bananas. And they lowered the mound
the next year because they're like, we

591
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:07,519
need a little offense. Yeah,
yeah, jeez, yeah. I was

592
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:10,960
kind of glossed over when you started
talking about yours. And I don't know,

593
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,119
I don't know any of that stuff. I don't watch much. I

594
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:16,639
don't want to. I don't want
to take north Central Florida. You don't

595
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:21,079
have a team, yeah, I
don't gators have the Gators. Yeah.

596
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,360
What's funny though, is you're like
my eyes glossed over that boring sports stuff

597
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:29,039
at your goddamn wedding. The entire
time we were hanging out in the grooms

598
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:31,159
room, you and everyone else except
for me because I was the only non

599
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:37,159
Gator there, watched Florida's spring football
game on a phone. Yeah, which

600
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,239
is the most boring shit. It's
a scrimmage. What are you talking about?

601
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,840
It's amazing. You get to see
the new talent. They were like,

602
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,119
oh my god, that's a great
throw. You see. It's the

603
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:52,119
fucking like flag football games. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to hear

604
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:57,440
this baseball statistic ship. Yeah no, I could riddle off any statistic from

605
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:00,039
any Florida game, Like I can
tell you what this alas caught in like

606
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:04,119
nineteen fifty six, You know,
I don't. I unfortunately I don't know

607
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,960
about this memory because I wasn't there. So oh he invited. We kind

608
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,039
of hit the cap on people.
Man. Yeah, so I got bombed,

609
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:15,800
So did we real bad? Yeah? I got bombed anyway, you

610
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,039
were at mine. It's okay,
all right, guys, It's uh Thursday,

611
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:27,880
June eleventh, nineteen seventy. The
Pirates land in San Diego, the

612
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,960
day before a doubleheader where they're playing
the Padres and doc Ellis has some friends

613
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,679
in La, and he asked the
manager, Hey, it's like early in

614
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,320
the morning, Caigo, fly up
to LA and visit my friends and be

615
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,400
back for the game Friday night.
Managers like, I don't give a shit

616
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:46,960
because he wasn't supposed to pitch.
No, he was supposed to know he

617
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:51,000
got penciled in. Oh did he
get one? From what i've Oh,

618
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:52,239
you are Actually you might be right
on that I did it? Did He

619
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,800
doesn't mention it in the interview,
like he wasn't scheduled he started. He

620
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,519
was not scheduled to start, which
is why he took the trip to lay.

621
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:02,119
Why he took the LSD because he
thought he had the day off.

622
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:07,159
Yeah, well he did have the
day. He took the LSD Thursday before

623
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:09,800
the game even happened. Yeah,
so and it's like Thursday. Let's see

624
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:16,559
here he takes the LSD at I
want to say, like noon. So,

625
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,840
oh, I'm sorry, this is
really messed up. I got a

626
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,840
little thrown. I am sorry about
this. So Doc lands San Diego early

627
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,800
morning, he flies up to LA. He takes a hit of acid when

628
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,360
he lands in lax so he gets
picked up. He goes out partying with

629
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,480
his friends Thursday night because he doesn't
think he's starting that's correct. He's so

630
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:40,159
whacked out on acid though. Someone's
like hey man, like he's gonna go

631
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:42,840
take another hit, and're like,
hey man, should you do He's like,

632
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,280
fuck off, I'm gonna take this
acid like I'm having a good time.

633
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:50,039
And he wakes up at two pm
on He wakes up at twelve pm

634
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:54,440
on Friday at noon, yeah,
thinking it's still Thursday day, and a

635
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:59,360
lady's like, hey, don't do
any more acid. He's like, fuck

636
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,920
you, bitch. So I'm gonna
take acid, and so he takes more

637
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,360
acid. Then like two pm rolls
around and his girlfriend comes back up and

638
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,760
it's like, hey, your schedule
to pitch today now, Like you gotta

639
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,639
get back down to San Diego the
games. At six oh five, it's

640
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:15,239
two pm in LA. He is
coming to write up on acid. At

641
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:21,119
that point he is totally like about
to hit where you start peaking, Yeah,

642
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:23,800
yeah, what happens? So what
happens when you peek on acid?

643
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,519
Um, it's one of the few
drugs I've never dined. Okay, you

644
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:31,400
haven't done it now, I've never
done it. Um. It's one of

645
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,199
those things where if you forget you
take it, like I don't know who

646
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,639
does this. You pop it like
a listerine strait, so you put it

647
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:39,239
on your tongue, You let a
chill there for a little bit, and

648
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,280
then like an hour or two goes
by and you're like is this even working?

649
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,159
And then and then you take more. You know, I would never

650
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,119
advise anyone to take more acid if
it's always the move though, it's like

651
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:52,960
I don't even feel it. Man, Yeah, that's gonna be a much

652
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,519
bigger with an edible too, Like
people do that with edibles. Did you

653
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:00,599
didn't kick? It tastes like an
hour or something and that ends completely.

654
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:01,800
I like, if you've eaten anything, what your body weight is anyway?

655
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:07,079
Acid, you know, you feel
like all of a sudden, you feel

656
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:09,079
like you're kind of going up on
a roller coaster like that, and not

657
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,360
like you're raising physically, just the
anticipation, Like there's there's a moment where

658
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,519
like, oh, yeah, I'm
I just took it. I just took

659
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:20,599
acid, And so you're like,
if you've never expected it, here we

660
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,480
go. Yeah, Like so light
starts, you get more sensitive to light

661
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:28,559
um patterns start to breathe a little
bit depending on how much you takes,

662
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:30,280
so I've I've never taken more than
two hits. Also, I want to

663
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,400
touch on something that Rob said before
we even started the podcast. He's like,

664
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,719
I don't want to do drugs that
make me see things that aren't there,

665
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,679
And why are you taking drugs?
In first, there's plenty of you.

666
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,039
There's plenty of drugs that make you
be honestly, I want to see.

667
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:47,320
I don't even smoke weed at this
point. The only drug I even

668
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,199
do sometimes would be coke, and
I only do that to just wait keep

669
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,920
drinking. Yeah, literally, I
don't even do it. Someone. Yeah,

670
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,239
if someone offered me something else instead, like a red bull, I

671
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:04,239
would do that like it like really
like it's not I'd rather like I this

672
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:08,239
like but truly though, like it's
not. It's not even because I'm like,

673
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,559
yeah, I mean I love of
that drug. It's just like god,

674
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:13,920
I just guess I need that.
But also, after all the superior

675
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,039
to coke, I agree that person
like I would I would I would much

676
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:20,159
rather take a like I don't like
doing lines atter while would take a pill,

677
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,280
you know, like if it's gonna
be a long day, dude.

678
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,440
Lines battle all is some fucking rat
shit man, Like it's it's a ratchet

679
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:29,840
ship, no rat shit, Like
oh, it's just like just you know,

680
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:34,320
just dry scoop, some original jacked. I mean it would have the

681
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,880
same effect if you still had my
buddy. Actually, uh that sh it's

682
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,599
definitely bad by now. At our
wedding or at my wedding, our wedding.

683
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:46,239
Uh. At my wedding, my
fraternity brother had greenies. Remember green,

684
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:49,719
He didn't have green It was like
it wasn't called like it's like hippie

685
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:54,079
speed. He was called cava okay, no, no, um what not

686
00:42:54,239 --> 00:43:00,239
cava macha notch. What the fuck
was that stuff? It was like yeah,

687
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,800
he was like upt him right now, it's crowd him. Oh yeah

688
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,719
yeah yeah yeah yeah he had crowd. I mean he was like, if

689
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,639
you take two, it's like speed, if you take six, it's like

690
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,679
carolin. Yeah, like what is
this shit? What it works? Did

691
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,480
you take any oh a bunch?
Give me up all day? Yeah.

692
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,599
It was crazy and I needed it. I was drinking only. I told

693
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:19,119
the wedding people. I was like
that because like when where we got married,

694
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:21,519
they just would bring us drinks the
whole time though you don't wear anything.

695
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:23,360
This is your day, we'll bring
you all the drinks whatever. So

696
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,320
like I had my own guy just
for fucking looking at my beard to see

697
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,559
when it was empty and to bring
me a drink and like what what,

698
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,920
what's your preference for the day.
And I was like, it's gonna have

699
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,280
to be Mike Ultra today because it's
gonna be a long fucking day. Like

700
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,039
you can't be bringing me I pas
or that. God, yeah, you

701
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:40,599
wouldn't fit in your suit. Yeah, um yeah, but so acid.

702
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,760
It's too he's clearly been doing it. One of the things that they need

703
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,920
to talk about. You what's that? What's that trip from uh La to

704
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,400
San Diego, Ela to San Diego
on a plane? Yeah, well a

705
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,199
plane I was gonna drive. No, No, you didn't drive. People.

706
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,199
A plane rides really short. It's
like thirty minutes. Yeah, it's

707
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,280
really close to each other. If
that maybe drive on like a bad day

708
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,280
is three hours, Okay. I
was just making sure like he wasn't driving

709
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,679
on LSD from Saul. That be
tight, but I mean it would be

710
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,599
crazy, crazier story. He didn't. He flew back but so just explain

711
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,519
LSD real quick. Experience wise,
if you take a bunch of it,

712
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,199
you're gonna see patterns really moving around. You're gonna have visual distortions where you

713
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,679
see like trees are breathing, grass
is moving, Earth as it is.

714
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,599
But there is a mind body connection
piece that I think is very valuable to

715
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,079
know. Do you see the four
dimensional elves? This isn't d MT.

716
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,360
Yeah, I mean I'm sure if
you take enough, if like a Heroes

717
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,239
does f LSD, you're probably seeing
some sort of a hero Yeah, Heroes

718
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,800
does of it. I'm sure that
many of the people the CIA gave LSD

719
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,519
two, we're taking way more than
A Heroes does. Yeah, they weren't

720
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:52,480
taking a subjecture of us for hero
Ball. Yeah anyway, Yeah, you're

721
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:53,760
not. It's being able to throw
something in a straight line is probably not

722
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,199
gonna be your best bet. So
pitching would be hard, although I will

723
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:00,199
say studies are showing that there's definitely
a mind body connection. Well, he

724
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,880
walked eight guys, right, he
walked eight dudes? Yeah? So did

725
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,840
he which is really bad? Well, how many did he bean? Like?

726
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,880
Did he hit? I think he
hit three guys? So he walked

727
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,880
eight and hit three, so he
allowed. He didn't get tossed. No,

728
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,440
it was like okay, let me, let me just read through this.

729
00:45:16,559 --> 00:45:20,159
So he took it out hit of
LSD Friday at noon, and his

730
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:22,440
friend's girlfriend reminded him at two PM
that he was scheduled to pitch that night.

731
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,639
Elis was like, no, m
not, that's tomorrow, and she's

732
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:30,039
like, no, it's Friday today. He's like, what happened to Thursday?

733
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:31,519
And they're like, man, I
don't know what to tell you,

734
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:37,719
but you gotta be in San Diego. And yeah. So Ellis flew from

735
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,559
Los Angeles to San Diego at three
pm and arrived at the stadium at four

736
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:43,920
thirty pm and the game started at
six oh five. So if he took

737
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:49,519
it at noon, he is halfway
through the LSD trip and like, obviously

738
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,159
you hit the peak, Like after
the two hours start, you're starting to

739
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,840
go up to the peak. So
he's probably like peaking tail end of peaking

740
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:01,760
on LSD ye and if he stay
a bunch of it, like it's gonna

741
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,000
be strong, it's gonna be hard
for him to focus or concentrate. So

742
00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:09,920
Ellis said that he threw the no
hitter despite these instances, he was not

743
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:14,920
able to feel the ball. He
couldn't see the batter. He uh,

744
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:20,000
couldn't really see the catcher clearly.
He also said that the catchers blind well

745
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:22,719
he said, like he said,
when he was looking at the plate,

746
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,000
he couldn't make out a batter.
He knew that they were either on the

747
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:30,559
right side or the left side.
They were shapes and the only thing he

748
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:32,480
could tell if they were right handed
or left handed. He could see what

749
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:36,639
side of the plate. That's just
me playing sports before I was sixteen and

750
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:42,480
didn't have contacts, sure like.
But also were the blobs moving were the

751
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:46,079
amorphus shapes moving around? I could
I could only see shapes. That's incredible

752
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:49,960
that you went that long without glass? Why why did you do this to

753
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,320
her? So? Do you wear
contacts now? Now we're contacts? Okay,

754
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,400
okay. Anyway, so he made
the catcher at one point where a

755
00:46:55,559 --> 00:47:00,280
reflective tape on his fingers, which
helped ellisc the signals because he couldn't make

756
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,320
out the single retinals, so he
didn't even know what pitches were being asked

757
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,559
of him to throw. To start, No, yeah, he had to

758
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,280
get the reflective tape on the fingers. So how many innings did he go

759
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:14,440
before he even knew what pitch she
was supposed to throw? He doesn't remember,

760
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:15,239
Yeah, yeah, he just knows. At some point he's like,

761
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,159
I can't, dude, be in
the catcher for that game had to be

762
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:22,880
a nightmare. And also because like
catchers and pitchers have pretty close relationship totally,

763
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:27,039
so that catcher two had to be
like, oh God, God,

764
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:30,840
damn it, Doc, you son
of a bitch. Everyone like you're calling

765
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,039
for like the curveball, he just
throws heat. Yeah, Like he's just

766
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,400
like sweating bullets and like his eyes
are fucking dilated to fucking You're just like,

767
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,119
I don't know what the fuck Doc
did today, but God did just

768
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:45,800
taking two minutes between pitches. Yeah. Also, before he starts the game

769
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,320
in warmups, he gets to the
locker room then leaves immediately to go find

770
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,800
his greeny lady. So he finds
still needed the speed. Yeah, he

771
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,199
was like, how do you balance
LSD out? You gotta any more speed?

772
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,360
He's never pitched a game without speed, And he's like, well,

773
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,039
I'm whacked out on acid, so
I might as well up my dose.

774
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:06,119
So he is tripping balls and he's
also speeding out. Does that counteract I

775
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,920
don't know, it's compounding. Um. The only thing that would counteract LST

776
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,480
would probably be like a barbituate of
No. It would be like a people

777
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:17,000
take xanax when they're really wigging out
on hallucinogens. It's kind of like a

778
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:20,440
landing gear people call it where it's
just like, oh, I need to

779
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,199
take the plane down, like he
takes them xanax and years call it a

780
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:28,239
night. Yeah. Anyway, so
he's whacked out. Let's see here.

781
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,599
Oh yeah, so the catcher was
saying, yeah, he was throwing stuff.

782
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:34,079
People were having to jump out of
the way of balls and stuff like

783
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:36,440
that because he was just throwing it
all over the place. He would throw

784
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:40,159
arrant pitches like thirty feet away from
the mound sometimes. According to Yeah,

785
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:44,880
that was always the most terrifying thing
about Little League is when a kid could

786
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,480
throw fast but I had no control. He was like, God, damn

787
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,719
that that's the thing. That's the
whole thing In Bull Durham, remember that

788
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,719
whole bit where Kevin Costner's like hit
the bull, like throw being the mascot.

789
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:55,639
And then I was like, why
is it just fucking do it?

790
00:48:55,679 --> 00:49:00,400
Just hit the mascot in the head, and then he did that and probably

791
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,199
happened in this game. Yeah,
they did that any and the rest of

792
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:09,039
the game. Tim Robbins character Duke
Nukeluch sorry nuke like, pitched an incredible

793
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:14,760
game the last time because the hitters
couldn't dig it right, they couldn't set

794
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,840
their feet the way they wanted to
because they're free to getting beamed. Yes,

795
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:21,960
so presumably that might have happened in
this Doclas game as well. I

796
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,400
feel like in my little league career, I got beamed more than I had

797
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,800
hits. Like I got hit by
the ball and I actually made contact with

798
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,559
a bat. I switched the football. I never played like legit baseball,

799
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:37,000
so I never worried. I switched
to lacrosse like eighth ninth grade. Yeah

800
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:40,480
that makes sense anyway. My I
was my first ever at bat, and

801
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,719
my first ever at bat in kid
pitch, you know, like when we

802
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,880
got off coach pitch or whatever.
First a b ever fucking drilled right on

803
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,960
my ankle bone. Oh my god. Like I was never like it was

804
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,880
all. I could never hit well
after that. Like, I was just

805
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:00,320
like fucking scared for years in the
box. I'm a big pussy. We're

806
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,960
all letting it out tonight, guys. Duck House is bringing it out of

807
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:07,840
us. Anyway. So not only
were like pitchers kind of freaked out what

808
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:12,639
Rob was alluding to as far as
success of the game, but the fielding

809
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,800
was just amazing, Like his teammates
were bailing him out. His teammates helped

810
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,039
him into the no hitter. Like
obviously he had to pitch really well.

811
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:22,679
Yeah hit eight so eight walks?
Um, how many strikeouts did you have?

812
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:25,440
Six? Six? S? The
box score up here? Okay,

813
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,440
cool, Yeah, I'm trying to
see how many pitches he threw, that

814
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:36,519
is what I'm also very curious,
like two fifty Yeah, like it had

815
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:40,440
to be an obscene number. So
because if you let eleven batters up on

816
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:49,880
base and you pitch nine innings,
that's I gotta think three three hit by

817
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,159
pitches and eight walks. Oh so
the hit by pitches don't count as walks,

818
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,960
they're just hit by pitches. Oh
yeah, yeah, see I figured

819
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:02,280
that was right. Yeah you actually
anyway, this is actually a recount of

820
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,400
Ellis from his point of view during
the game. I can only remember bits

821
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,519
and pieces of the game. I
was sighted had a feeling of euphoria.

822
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:15,519
I was zeroed in on the catcher's
glove, but I didn't hit the glove

823
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:19,280
that much. I remember hitting a
couple of batters and the bases were loaded

824
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,960
two or three times. The ball
was small, sometimes the ball was large.

825
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,440
Sometimes sometimes I saw the catcher,
sometimes I didn't hold on. Can

826
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,840
I tell you a really funny part
of this? So he had tunnel.

827
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:34,960
He had three hit by pitches,
all the same guy. Me and that

828
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:37,400
guy, like, going on,
God, he's throwing it at like he's

829
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:42,079
throwing it to a point where it's
probably going directly at the umpire is probably

830
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:45,320
like once the toss him because he's
hit the same fucking guy three times,

831
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,480
because like he got the perfect game
going on? What can I do?

832
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:52,039
Yeah? Also during this time,
too or not, perfeca Ivan Mural was

833
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:59,039
the San Diego Padre center fielder Doc
Ellis hit him three times on acid.

834
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,920
Yeah, you just see this guy
who's slicking more than likely slicking the ball

835
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:09,880
anyway with his hair. His eyes
are dilated like dinner plates, and he's

836
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,239
just beaming you with pitches for no
reason other than you exist. Because he's

837
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:19,880
trying his best to throw a no
hitter anyway. So one of the things

838
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,840
he said too was I tried to
stare the hitter down and throw while I

839
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,119
was looking at him. So he
was like, not really, he was

840
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:28,480
just looking at the picture as he
was throwing, or another picture at the

841
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,199
batter. Yeah, well, I
mean you're you're looking in that direction anyway.

842
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:35,320
Yeah, but he's he's saying like
he's like walking eyes with the batter

843
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,480
the whole time while he's throwing.
Starting his lips. Yeah. And by

844
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,639
the way, these teams doesn't make
it sexual. These Pirates teams are stacked.

845
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:44,599
Yeah. Yeah, they're really good
at this point. They have Roberto

846
00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:47,199
Clemente, Willie Stargel, like several
Hall of famers played for these Pirates teams.

847
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,320
I think they won a World Series
at some point together. They wanted

848
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,920
the next year. Okay, yeah, So another thing he said, he

849
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:59,320
chewed his gum until it turned to
powder. He said, Yeah, he's

850
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,320
just dude, you're on speed.
He's probably been chewing that gun for two

851
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,119
days on the day. Yeah it's
Thursday. Bear in mind, he's not

852
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:08,559
he doesn't really believe it's right.
Have you ever done that where you're just

853
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:10,519
chewing on gum? For like an
entire day, and it's just it's like

854
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:16,199
miserable mush. Yeah. Um,
they say I had about three to four

855
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,760
fielding chances. But I remember diving
out of the way of a ball I

856
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,679
thought was a line drive. I
jumped, but the ball was hit hard.

857
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:23,719
It wasn't even hit hard enough to
like reach him. Like, so

858
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,719
he's like jumping out of the way
of balls. Yeah, it was like

859
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,119
a squib groundball that didn't reach the
mound, and he leapt out of the

860
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:37,440
way like the fucking cannonball. So
all that to say. During this time

861
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:39,280
too, his teams were like,
hey, man, you're going for a

862
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:49,360
noe, like the one rule got
leave your team, man, your rule.

863
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:53,719
It probably wasn't even team has probably
left them alone. He probably just

864
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:58,079
had a little guy on the shoulder
he had. Probably he had to throw

865
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:01,079
a no hitter because he didn't want
anyone to talk to him. To fucking

866
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:07,239
shitty man, I got it,
um Ellis reported afterward, though he never

867
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,760
used LSD during the season again,
so he says, lesson learned. Yeah,

868
00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:15,440
I really learned a lesson there.
I decided never to do acid on

869
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:19,199
a Thursday, and forget what day
it was. Yeah, yeah, though

870
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,360
he continued to use in fetamines every
day after the story was made public.

871
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,199
Ellis said that he regretted taking LSD
that day because it robbed him of his

872
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:30,719
greatest professional memory. When did that
story go public? I think the first

873
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,960
story went out in nineteen eighty four, so that that would not have been

874
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:39,079
kosher fort at the time people would
have been like furious. So I think

875
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:45,360
one of the things that happened was
he a poet was interviewing him or something

876
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,440
like that, and they were talking
about that game. And one of the

877
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,519
first things I was said was he
was drunk. I was very drunk on

878
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:55,639
vodka. I had to drink coffee
to straighten myself out. So like he

879
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,360
told the story of being inebriated first, and that was the fish story for

880
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:01,639
a while. I was like,
oh, Doculi, Scott fucked up.

881
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,400
You're right and through a no hitter, He's amazing. They had to like

882
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:09,559
tame it, though, because he
I think he was working for the Yankees

883
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:12,960
at the time and he didn't want
Steinbrenner up his ass. Yeah yeah,

884
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:15,559
so he was like, hey,
it was acid and dexis, but yeah,

885
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:21,760
just say it's booze. Yeah,
and so then, so here's some

886
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,800
skepticism about the story. First of
all, Um Bob Smusic of the Pittsburgh

887
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,920
Press, who broke first broke the
story in nineteen eighty four, believes Ellis

888
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:32,559
version of the events that day,
although Smusic did not witness the game in

889
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:37,719
person. Bill Christie, also of
the Pittsburgh Press, does not believe the

890
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:42,440
claim and was at the game that
day. Christine was a beat reporter who

891
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,079
practically lived with a team that year. Those guys like follow, yeah,

892
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:49,840
they were. It's like, yeah, it's like war journalists practically. Yeah,

893
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,199
you fucking fly with the team.
Yeah, even like more people are

894
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:59,480
familiar with beat journalists than war journalists, that's true. It's like Christian Yam

895
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:05,599
import the nineties, you know,
remember her fair enough. So so that

896
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:07,280
guy Christine was like, no,
that's not true. I didn't notice anything

897
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,199
different about him. But one of
the things you have to consider it,

898
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,519
well, yeah, he's nuts.
So yeah, like one of the things

899
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:15,880
you have to consider, what is
baseline normal for doc Ells? Yeah,

900
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,639
because he's drinking and doing speed at
like fourteen already, So also what is

901
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,320
normal, Like he's probably able to
cope and function with a lot of substances.

902
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,760
So fuck Bill Christine for saying he
didn't do it. Why I take

903
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,599
that away? You're saying earlier there's
no recording of this stuff, so there's

904
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:36,599
like no footage of it. Really
it was on TV, but it's just

905
00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:39,000
not in the archives now it's it's
locked in the archives, like why would

906
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,920
like why would Pittsburgh? So it
is there, people say the film exists,

907
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,719
but they won't release it. Was
in it was the end of Indiana

908
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:51,400
Jones where they're just wheeling. This
is why people always bitch about baseball not

909
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:55,639
marketing itself. Well, m because
if I was baseball, I would uh

910
00:56:57,079 --> 00:57:00,679
give Mike Trout LSD until he had
a personality. Why are you talking about

911
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:06,199
noted Eagles fan Mike Trout? Yeah, Mike Trout loves two things, the

912
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,400
Eagles and weather. Yeah, and
baseball does he's a baseball player. Sometimes

913
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,280
I thought he's just an Eagles fan. Eagles fan, West weather guy.

914
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,559
Yeah, it's not the guy that
comes on YouTube is like the report for

915
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:20,159
the game. You know what I'm
talking about? Yeah? Is that that

916
00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:22,559
guy? Do you know who Mike
Trout is? I have no idea,

917
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:25,440
dude, Holy shit, he is
the best baseball player in the world right

918
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:30,800
now, but probably probably one of
the ten best baseball players of all time

919
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,800
if if his career he's doing.
He needs to do a little bit more

920
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,559
in the playoffs, but that you
I don't hold baseball players to the same

921
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:43,880
postseason standards that you would in NBA
or NFL. Okay, because you can't.

922
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,880
It's it's like you can't do it
by yourself in baseball. Yeah,

923
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:51,800
sure, yeah, sports sports,
I did pick a baseball guy. I

924
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,559
kind of I'm asking, but you're
being the one to do the sports topic

925
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:57,880
first. Well, no, the
sports is fine. He's a huge sports

926
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,559
fan, but doing baseball baseball it
literally doesn't know who Mike Trout is.

927
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,760
I got excited about the LSD part. I really keyed in on that and

928
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,599
I was like, I'm gonna tell
this story. And there's also a lot

929
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,599
of really good, um you know, societal shit like Hacke Strey Month stuff.

930
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:13,639
So there are actually a lot of
other incidents though, too, that

931
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:19,079
he dealt with after the acid thing. So the no hitter right now On

932
00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:22,920
May FI, nineteen seventy two,
Ellis Willie Startle and Stargel Stargel sorry,

933
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:29,639
and Rennie Stennett missed the team bus
to Riverfront Stadium and a security guard to

934
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:32,840
ask them for identification. Uh,
it sounds about right. Doc Ellis held

935
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,920
up his World Series ring on his
fist and said I'm Doc Ellis, and

936
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,639
the cop took it as a or. The security guard just mazed him in

937
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,719
front of the stadium. Good lord, can you imagine if like fucking like

938
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,039
Marshawn Lynch got mazed in front of
right, Yeah, it would be people

939
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:51,559
would lose their fucking Listen. That
might happen at Fenway these days, but

940
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:55,880
nowhere else, got it. It's
a Boston racist joke. So and then

941
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,280
then Ellis was charged with disorderly cond
for that, forgetting mace, for getting

942
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,199
based. Yeah, Jesus Christ,
that's a bad year for the pirates.

943
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:07,920
That's the year Roberto Clement he died
too, died in a plane crash taking

944
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,480
ship to UH. I forget some
hurricane ravaged place, I believe, I

945
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:15,320
forget where. Oh no, he
was just transporting cocaine. Oh yeah,

946
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,159
he's a narco. So I don't
I'm not seeing what it was for.

947
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,719
But the red suit Ellis for assault, and Ellis countersuit before going to trial.

948
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:27,639
The Reds, who at that time
were owned by the famously racist Marge

949
00:59:27,679 --> 00:59:31,400
Shot. Yeah, but they were
the big Red machine. Yeah. Yeah,

950
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:36,760
that's interesting. You mentioned that too, because the municipal court dropped the

951
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,519
charges against Ellis. But Ellis stated
that the incident made him learn to hate

952
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:44,119
better, and he really fucking hated
the Reds. So like, here's some

953
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:49,000
funny shit he did to the Reds
just for context, which I'm sure you

954
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:52,159
don't know much to have, let
alone our listeners. The Reds and the

955
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:54,679
Pirates were maybe the two best teams
in the National League around that time.

956
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:57,840
It was probably big rivalry. Yeah, yeah, they were. So they

957
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,800
were fairly I mean, and you
had, like I guess Clement was dead

958
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,719
at that point, but he said
like Willie Stargil obviously, and sware to

959
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,320
think about since the Reds and the
Pirates posts are fucking coverage. Yeah.

960
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:13,000
And then, uh, just off
screen over here, you had Pete Rose

961
01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:16,440
and Joe Morgan on the Reds.
I mean, there were two loaded ass

962
01:00:16,519 --> 01:00:22,679
teams back then. Yeah. So, speaking of Joe Morgan before a game

963
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:28,400
in nineteen seventy three against the Reds, I guess one thing that happened was

964
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,639
the pirates told not to wear curlers
and the dugout anymore, because he would

965
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:34,079
wear his curlers in the dugout and
people are like, this is just too

966
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:36,519
black. Yeah, like don't do
this. Yeah, you know, and

967
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:38,039
he's like, fine, fuck it
whatever, I won't wear said that to

968
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:42,400
Ellis, Yeah, okay, the
pirates said that. And so before the

969
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,679
game, though, he decides,
dude, you got something, big guy,

970
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,960
you can keep like moving out of
the way talking into the microphone.

971
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,719
I know, but I'm like trying
to read this stuff too. So Ellis

972
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,719
decides like, all right, we're
gonna play these Reds. Everyone's scared of

973
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,119
the big Red machine. I'm going
to hit every app bat I can.

974
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:07,159
He He goes through eight guys.
He hit eight batters. He hit eight

975
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:09,440
batters in a row. I believe
it's in a row. Let me double

976
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:14,360
check. A bit counterproductive. I
don't know how you don't get tossed after

977
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:21,559
like six three, yeah, because
it's not It is not easy. That

978
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:23,159
was in the nineteen seventy four that
he did Okay, yeah, I skipped

979
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:28,800
around. It is not easy to
make it look like an accident. It's

980
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:31,880
if you hit eight betters in rows, it does not ever look like an

981
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,480
accident, right, but even two
in a row, it's not easy to

982
01:01:35,559 --> 01:01:37,719
make that look like an accident.
Oh, it was just wild. Yeah

983
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:43,000
yeah at different time though, yes, different times. Yeah, so after

984
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:47,519
Else did more hardcore back then,
this was about the time that batting gloves

985
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:51,079
started to get used. Banngloves didn't
get used for a long time. I

986
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:53,559
like guys that don't use betting gloves. What's the point, like, just

987
01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:58,159
for not tearing your hand apart and
just grip grip. Yeah, so after

988
01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:00,320
you look cool. After Else defeated
the Ads in a nineteen seventy three game,

989
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,360
this is where the curlers comes in. Dan Joe Morgan claimed that Ellis

990
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:09,320
was throwing a spit ball and Anderson
had the umpire like check Ellis's to get

991
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,239
it. Yeah, but you know
they found no evidence put in nineteen eighty

992
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,159
book. When a book came out
in nineteen eighty Elis actually but he's like,

993
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:17,960
yeah, he used to just take
the stuff off my hair and used

994
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,719
to throw spitballs. So he was
actually confirmed. He admitted to that,

995
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:23,639
which is the type of cheating.
I love again. I love that,

996
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:30,079
I fucking very koy just just like
dirty easy cheating like that. You know,

997
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,599
yeah, steroids, so it super
easy. In nineteen seventy four is

998
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:37,639
when he decides to hit everyone at
that. But he was a little concerned

999
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:43,159
about how Pete Rose would feel about
it because he loved Pete Rose. Weird,

1000
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:45,039
but he's like he inspired Pete Rose. He was concerned how he would

1001
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:47,559
respond to it, but Ellis in
the moment, decided to do it anyway.

1002
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:52,599
It's um. While pitching for Oakland, the team asked him to get

1003
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:58,239
I mean, dude, Rose was
kind of a hard ass, like who

1004
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,079
who is member in a fuck the
All Star Game? Yeah? Where he

1005
01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:06,719
catchers catch? Yeah, what did
he do? He was a play at

1006
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:12,719
the plate in the All Star Game, so it didn't even matter. The

1007
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,599
All Star Game counted towards like who
had home field advantage for the World Series,

1008
01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:19,760
which it doesn't anymore again, but
yeah, yeah, but well it

1009
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,400
was a big there's a little like
twenty years or something, yeah, something

1010
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:27,239
like that. But yeah, Pete
Rose ended this dude's career. He trucks

1011
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,079
him at the plate, injured him
so bad that it is his career was

1012
01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:32,760
over. That sucks. Yeah,
so Pete Rose would fuck you up.

1013
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:40,880
Ry for Buster Posey. Yeah,
this was the biggest catcher collapse yep collision.

1014
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:45,239
Another thing he did while pitching for
Oakland. The team asked him to

1015
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:50,440
keep charts I guess in the dugout
or in the bullpen or whatever, and

1016
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:53,119
he said, uh, fuck that. And when they like turned around to

1017
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:57,280
leave, he lit the charts on
fire tight in the dugout and he's like,

1018
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,679
that's the craziest thing I ever did
in my career. It's like,

1019
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,440
no, no, no, doc. I think it was the acid game.

1020
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,239
But let's see here, why do
you like the charts on fire?

1021
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,639
Just because he didn't want to do
it, He's just say I'm not keeping

1022
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:15,559
charts. He's not an analytics guy, not a big analytics guy. Here's

1023
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:17,760
a here's a fun thing I just
found modern baseball fans would hate him.

1024
01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:23,280
Oh yeah, novely a fun headline
I found about Pete Rose Ray Fossey that

1025
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,360
was the catcher Ray Fosse still feels
effects from collision collision with Pete Rose in

1026
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,840
nineteen seventy All Star Game. Can
we just make that like being Fosseed being

1027
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:35,800
a anytime somebody gets truck sticked.
Yeah, just being Fosse fause, but

1028
01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:40,000
Rose made like a cheap shot too. Just watch the video. He like

1029
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:43,519
went specifically after his arm. Oh
my god, that's awful. Yeah,

1030
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:47,000
so Pete Rose will suck you up. Yeah, totally respected the move.

1031
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:53,800
Maybe yeah, like proposition yeah,
like uh, the last thing of note,

1032
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,679
just like the ridiculous shit he did
doc Ellis. When he was at

1033
01:04:56,719 --> 01:05:00,360
the Rangers, he complained about the
manager, Billy Hunters liquor policy, and

1034
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:06,320
Hunter was responding like banning liquor basically
from team flights because there's a big fight.

1035
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:11,599
So Ellis was like, I'm bringing
liquor on the plane to Toronto no

1036
01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:15,239
matter what. So he brings a
bunch of liquor on the plane. And

1037
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,679
it said that Ellis led a player
insurrection against Billy Hunter, and he declared

1038
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:23,840
that Hunter maybe Hitler, but he
ain't making no lampshade out of me.

1039
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,039
This is like public comments about like
team management for the team you're in,

1040
01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:33,320
and then I love this man so
far. So the Rangers organization initially blamed

1041
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,519
Ellis for the team's disappointing finish in
nineteen seventy eight when this happened, and

1042
01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:41,559
indicated that they would trade Ellis,
but later the owner Brad Corbett sided with

1043
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:45,679
Ellis over Hunter and fired that manager
tight, so Ellis stayed around. He's

1044
01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:47,280
like, no fucking I'm drinking on
the plane. That guy sucks. He's

1045
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:54,599
racist. But all these stories are
really funny, and you know, they're

1046
01:05:54,679 --> 01:05:58,480
kind of crazy. It's kind of
sad though that a lot of people talk

1047
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:01,039
about Doc Ellis as Joe, this
one dimensional like he's the guy that threw

1048
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:05,639
at or threw No Hitter on acid
because he had a really crippling addiction problem.

1049
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:10,280
I mean he had, he was
in it. He never really checked

1050
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,960
in rehab. He's self medicating and
that was all from the sis or everything

1051
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:17,159
everything. Yeah, every alcoholism for
sure. I think it's like for a

1052
01:06:17,199 --> 01:06:21,079
lot of these guys, the underlying
like medicine, but it's just you have

1053
01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:26,280
to self medicate to plan your mood
out. I bet he had a few

1054
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:32,599
sex like sex capades. But it's
worth noting that a ten percent of all

1055
01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:38,880
of his walks in nineteen seventy were
from his No Hitter geez, ten percent

1056
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:43,400
of his walks that season, ten
percent of his walks we were on acid.

1057
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:48,079
Yeah, and he started thirty games
that he had eighty seven walks and

1058
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:55,039
kind kind of checks out though eight
percent like that game, so about ten

1059
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,440
probably on acid, Like, yeah, it would it would be weird if

1060
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,400
he didn't. Like the majority of
the walks weren't in one game. Ye,

1061
01:07:01,679 --> 01:07:04,559
So doc Ellis was kind of this
figure that for the most part.

1062
01:07:04,639 --> 01:07:08,039
You know, a lot of black
athletes that were very good at what they

1063
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:13,480
did that talks, or had any
sort of descent from the normal status quo

1064
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,679
were labeled bad people. And a
lot of people would call doc Ellis a

1065
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,039
bad person, especially regarding drug use
and stuff like that, Like he's a

1066
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:24,559
tyrant or not a tyrant, but
you know what, do you want to

1067
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:27,480
call it degenerate? Right, Yeah, like he's he's a loud mouth,

1068
01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:30,280
he's degenerate. There's a lot of
good things that doc Ellis did too after

1069
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,320
he stopped. You know, it
sounds like a human being. Yeah,

1070
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,119
totally, And I think, you
know it's it's kind of I want to

1071
01:07:35,159 --> 01:07:39,800
bring to light some of that stuff. Like, for one, he helped

1072
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,960
his teammate Willie Stargel, like you
were saying, he helped him get the

1073
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,159
word out for sickle cell as part
of the Black Athlete Foundation. Even talked

1074
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,480
on the Senate floor to the Senate
about this too, and he helped kids

1075
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:55,039
in need as well. He started
a lot of different programs for kids to

1076
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:58,599
keep them out of trouble, you
know, because he didn't have that,

1077
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,840
you know, like growing up,
so he relied on drugs and alcohol to

1078
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:05,840
get him through a lot of stuff. Um, you know, someone was

1079
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,239
saying to you that like these days, like the stuff he was doing,

1080
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,119
and they'd be like, oh,
he's an activist now, but like back

1081
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:13,840
then, it's like you're just a
piece of shit. Shut up, swing

1082
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,479
your bat pitch. He was on
the mountain in nineteen seventy one when the

1083
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:23,119
Pittsburgh Pirates became the very first MLB
team to field an all black starting lineup.

1084
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:27,920
That's also the year, um,
the year they won the World Series,

1085
01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:32,800
turns out, Yeah, I believe
that was the we Are Family Pirates.

1086
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:38,479
Like their their theme song that year
it was wait ah Family, that's

1087
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:43,000
a good one, Yeah banger.
That was a really uh in terms of

1088
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,439
baseball history, they have a fun
team like pieces and yeah, we're not

1089
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,079
any sisters, I guess, but
yeah, I know that team was is

1090
01:08:50,119 --> 01:08:57,680
like widely remembered as being like really
like fun and infectious for sure. You

1091
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:02,319
got a guy that fun man.
Yeah, yeah, he was also during

1092
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:09,479
that earies, like I guess it. Vita Blue or Vitae Blue was the

1093
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,279
Oakland Athletics pitcher that year, and
he was the pitcher for the American League

1094
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:15,600
All Star Game, and dolls like, well, I'm not gonna be picked

1095
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,000
because they're never gonna let two black
guys pitch. And of course, so

1096
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:23,199
like that kind of forced the hand
where it's like, okay, doc ellis,

1097
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:25,960
yeah, you're gonna pitch now.
Well, so it should be noted,

1098
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:29,199
uh that with the all with the
Baseball All Star Game, so the

1099
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:31,880
starters are all picked by the fan
vote except the pitcher. Oh really,

1100
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:38,039
so the start the fans pick the
starting eight like catcher, center field,

1101
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:42,880
all that shit, and then the
uh pitchers don't even get voted in.

1102
01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:46,880
The manager picks the pitchers. Yeah. And typically if like my team's manager

1103
01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:50,479
is the All Star coach, I
want our biggest rival on the mound,

1104
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:55,319
and I want him ran into the
fucking ground right like I want if it's

1105
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,960
uh like when Manuel would coach the
All Star Game or whatever, I would

1106
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,079
want a Mets pitcher on the mount. Yeah. Yeah, just for like,

1107
01:10:01,239 --> 01:10:06,680
yeah, no, no, he
can go seven. Yeah, yeah,

1108
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:11,439
makes sense. Watch him warm up
real close for a couple of days

1109
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:15,640
of the Yeah right. Actually,
so when he said that about not being

1110
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,880
able to play and they made him
play or they elected him to be the

1111
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:23,439
pitcher, Jackie Robinson actually wrote to
him and said, I read your comments

1112
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,760
in our paper the last few days. I wanted to let you know how

1113
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,439
much I appreciated your courage and honesty, which is I mean, that's a

1114
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,520
huge moment for Jackie Robinson to reach
out to Doc Ellis and be like,

1115
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,119
yeah, things for baseball. Um. He also said you need to sail

1116
01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:39,359
a little less though, like maybe
tone it down a little bit. Funny,

1117
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,680
surprise me, jack Here the reason
they picked Jackie Robinson as the first

1118
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,800
one, Like, he wasn't necessarily
the He was a top five black baseball

1119
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,359
player at that time, but he
wasn't necessarily the absolute best. But they

1120
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:56,079
knew they needed to pick someone who
was gonna keep it clean, clean cut.

1121
01:10:56,199 --> 01:11:00,399
Yeah. Yeah. So that's why
Robinsons like family friendly, yes yeah,

1122
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,640
very adjustable yeah yeah yeah. Yeah, So that makes sense that Robinson

1123
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:08,239
would say something that because it's very
of his personality. Yeah, Robinson actually

1124
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:14,359
uh wrote an article one time.
Uh he I forget what paper it was

1125
01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:15,199
in, or maybe it was published
in a bunch of papers, but he

1126
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:20,960
wrote an article uh politely disagreeing with
Martin Luther King Junior on his stance on

1127
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:28,079
the Vietnam War because Robinson was pro
oh really yeah Vietnam War um or like

1128
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,800
pro to an extent, like saying
just like you know, like viet Cong

1129
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:38,079
or bad Communism is bad. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he was like

1130
01:11:38,199 --> 01:11:40,640
he was like, don't let this
disagreement fool you or anything. No,

1131
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,479
I think Martin Luther King is the
shit. But like he was like I

1132
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,119
love him and he's the best leader
of the Black Communic could have. But

1133
01:11:45,319 --> 01:11:48,880
oh he didn't wholesale behind to someone
else's politics. Yeah, he had like

1134
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:54,640
his own uh nuanced opinions. Also
a human being from what I recall,

1135
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,840
Yeah, totally yeah. Um.
So the other things that were really big

1136
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,479
for elis as first baseball activism goes. He was like a huge advocate for

1137
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,479
free agency as well, because he
was tired of people getting locked into dogshit

1138
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:09,680
contracts. Yes, so baseball players. Uh, Kurt Flood was the first

1139
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,800
one to actually do the free agency
stuff, and he had his career ruined

1140
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:17,359
over it. But yeah, baseball
players, they were still getting rich,

1141
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,760
but they were also getting like still
fucked by ownership. There's like, it's

1142
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:27,119
the free agency what basically was invented
in like the sixties or seventies essentially,

1143
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:29,800
right, But I think like it
was pretty frowned upon too, wasn't it.

1144
01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:31,720
Yes, for most sports too.
It's just like it was a very

1145
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,880
slow release a free agency. Like, no, not everyone was doing it

1146
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:39,760
immediately. Kurt Flood, who was
also black, by the way, interesting,

1147
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,640
was the was the guy who pioneered. He was a Saintlist cardinal,

1148
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,239
but he was the guy who like
pioneered free agency essentially. Yeah, I

1149
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:47,279
mean, so we did a lot
of stuff like that, Like, okay,

1150
01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:50,760
so do you think the Cardinals having
that banner that no, there is

1151
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:56,479
no Kurt Flood number up on the
on the I was just gonna say there

1152
01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:01,760
and take credit for that championship.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know,

1153
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,000
I don't know, I don't know
baseball stuff, dude. Anyway,

1154
01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:08,760
he did a lot for baseball,
obviously, he did a lot for sickle

1155
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,680
cell activism, and he did a
lot for young people in his community.

1156
01:13:12,279 --> 01:13:15,119
He also stopped being involved with baseball. I want to say after he checked

1157
01:13:15,119 --> 01:13:19,119
out a rehab he went to school
for becoming a substance abuse counselor at UC

1158
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:24,439
Irvine, and he you know,
he was doing obviously counseling for people in

1159
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,680
Beverly Hills for a long time,
and then someone asked him, like,

1160
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,079
hey, why aren't you doing this
for people in your community. He's like,

1161
01:13:29,119 --> 01:13:31,319
you're absolutely right. He started a
program where he would go into prisons

1162
01:13:31,359 --> 01:13:35,039
and actually help people that were recovering
from addiction. And there's a lot of

1163
01:13:35,039 --> 01:13:38,720
people that to this day where like
I wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for

1164
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:43,199
Doc Ellis, And he's helping people
that probably need it more like that probably

1165
01:13:43,239 --> 01:13:45,720
need that rehabilitation more than jail time
is going to help them. Right,

1166
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,520
So he passed recently, Like what
year, two thousand and nine? It

1167
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:55,479
was that long ago? Yeah?
Really? Fuck is that? Thirty for

1168
01:13:55,680 --> 01:14:00,880
thirty short like short documentary came out. He did stuff. This this story

1169
01:14:00,319 --> 01:14:05,760
regained virility on the Internet or whatever
while he was still alive. It was

1170
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:10,279
like, oh five, it was
viral videos and stuff were getting big.

1171
01:14:10,399 --> 01:14:13,039
Yeah, because there's like a funny
cartoon. I remember reading about it,

1172
01:14:13,079 --> 01:14:15,800
like on dead Spin. Yeah,
I think I think the video I sent

1173
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,680
y'all came out in like two thousand
and four. It was two thousand and

1174
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,760
nine. Yeah, I was gonna
say, well, that video was posted

1175
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:25,720
at least on in two thousand and
nine. Died in two thousand and eight.

1176
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,319
This went viral. Maybe it was
around that time, but it went

1177
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,479
viral, Like I remember being in
college and it like kind of blowing up

1178
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,079
the Internet for a day or two, oh for sure, like when people

1179
01:14:36,199 --> 01:14:40,039
were like, what this guy?
Yeah, it was one And actually there

1180
01:14:40,119 --> 01:14:44,079
was a dead Spin writer who eventually
lost his job, and because he was

1181
01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:45,760
part of the whole Kogan thing,
he was like the main guy who put

1182
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:50,600
but he tried to do uh,
he tried to do uh pitch. He

1183
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:56,760
took acid and tried to pitch no
Hitter on on MLB the show Yeah or

1184
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:00,119
whatever. Yeah, I sent you
a dead Spin link. Yeah, then

1185
01:15:00,199 --> 01:15:02,840
I clicked that link was recommended for
me afterwards. That was one of the

1186
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,199
funniest, like dumb things I've ever
read. That. Yeah. Yeah,

1187
01:15:05,279 --> 01:15:10,159
Like he couldn't do it. No, he couldn't throw a video game no

1188
01:15:10,399 --> 01:15:13,079
Hitter on acid. Yeah, Yeah, that was pretty funny because he's like,

1189
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,319
I can't control all the players.
That's one thing to you that gets

1190
01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:20,680
kind of lost in the sauce is
like he had amazing teammates. Yeah,

1191
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:26,439
so I don't build him. Did
you ever balls were hitting play? Well,

1192
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:30,600
he only had six strikeouts, which
means the other twenty one. Yeah,

1193
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,560
we're recorded by his teammates. Yeah. I mean I could have pulled

1194
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:40,319
like verbatim. Yeah, the stuff
that would have been list interesting to you.

1195
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,680
Yeah, I just don't have it. It's fine. Yeah, no,

1196
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:45,760
maybe maybe Dan can do a follow
up episode. Yeah, but anyway,

1197
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,159
No, I just think it's interesting
that, like all people know about

1198
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:51,760
this guy is he was the acid
guy for the no hitter, But really

1199
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:56,039
he had a crazy He had other
crazy stuff happened to him in his career,

1200
01:15:56,079 --> 01:15:59,439
and just that Pirate's team. Yeah, Pirates team is amazing. One

1201
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,039
of the probably about the first time
a baseball team is fielded with all black

1202
01:16:02,079 --> 01:16:08,640
starters and they win the World Series. Coincidence maybe, I don't know.

1203
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,000
But also he had to deal with
he had to deal with a lot of

1204
01:16:11,079 --> 01:16:14,640
oppression in other ways. He definitely
didn't go out of his way to stay

1205
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,560
out of it though, either like
he wasn't he was being himself, the

1206
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,439
whole type of personality. Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's something that's meritus

1207
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:25,680
and also being able to help your
community after the fact and realizing that,

1208
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,640
Like, I mean, it's kind
of a shame that the thing that he

1209
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,239
was trying to help other people get
over was the thing that killed him,

1210
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,159
was liver services. Yeah, so, I mean it's it's kind of a

1211
01:16:32,199 --> 01:16:35,600
sad story, but it's also ademing
one too. He definitely changed his life

1212
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:40,439
for the better and helped a lot
of people. Sad that he died relatively

1213
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:45,960
young. Yeah, sixty three three's
young. Yeah, but what a legacy.

1214
01:16:45,159 --> 01:16:47,680
Yeah. No, I mean,
great story. I loved reading about

1215
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,319
this, dude. I'm happy I
got to So. I was surprised you

1216
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:54,359
picked that because you're not a baseball
guy. You are an LST. I

1217
01:16:54,399 --> 01:16:56,920
got learned in with the ASCID.
Yeah. Man, they would have had

1218
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,000
a field the CIA would have had
a field day with me with your topics

1219
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:02,840
with LSD. Yeah, I'll clear
to do it. Let's just have an

1220
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,039
episode where we see what we can
get Jake into. If acid is the

1221
01:17:06,199 --> 01:17:12,479
gateway. Yeah, we're just like
two guys, fuck on acid? Do

1222
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,000
I have to do acid? I
don't know. We'll figure it. We'll

1223
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,479
do an episode where you do acid. Yeah, and try to and try

1224
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:21,920
to lead. So you need to
block off about twelve to fifteen hours.

1225
01:17:23,079 --> 01:17:26,159
Yeah, yeah, and we'll just
do it a live a live stream day,

1226
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:29,199
all right. If he can throw
a no hitter, you can throw

1227
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,880
you know, an hour and a
half podcast on LSD. Yeah, that's

1228
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,279
true. You should try to get
me to do tasks. Yeah, yeah,

1229
01:17:35,399 --> 01:17:38,960
we can do that. I would
be fine. Do you remember this

1230
01:17:39,119 --> 01:17:41,439
is for anyone that ever listened to
us before the show, But do you

1231
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:45,680
remember read the when we did the
BAC reader, I wasn't on that that.

1232
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:50,239
Oh Rob, were you in that
one? I was like, I

1233
01:17:50,359 --> 01:17:54,039
wasn't. Yeah. Where we did
where we just tried to see how high

1234
01:17:54,039 --> 01:17:56,439
we can get our BAC over the
course of two hours or an hour or

1235
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,439
whatever. Yeah, the one that
ended with Bush at like point three eight

1236
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:02,319
bashing had into a conference room table. Yes, yeah, that was fantastic.

1237
01:18:02,399 --> 01:18:05,119
I miss those things. We should
do one of those again. Yeah,

1238
01:18:05,159 --> 01:18:10,399
maybe we'll get We'll get Bush back. Yeah we should bring yeah,

1239
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:15,359
just as all his Thailand swords anyway, did you never held stories deep deep,

1240
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,279
especially he's in a serious relationship.
No, he doesn't need a serious

1241
01:18:19,319 --> 01:18:23,920
relationship. He needs to never speak
of his trip to time. I can't

1242
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:28,119
believe he told all on tape because
he's oblivious and he doesn't he doesn't understand

1243
01:18:28,119 --> 01:18:32,479
the implications of he he he's just
a puppy whatever. That was the best

1244
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,520
podcast we ever did. It's fantastic. It was It was a it was

1245
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:40,159
a guy that didn't realize what sex
toroism was describing a sex worism trip.

1246
01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:44,840
It was amazing, so kind of
I mean, we would just be like,

1247
01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:47,760
dude, you understand what you just
said on there, Yeah, you

1248
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,119
understand what happened. And no,
he didn't. It wasn't He had no

1249
01:18:51,279 --> 01:18:56,359
idea. Yeah it wasn't. It
wasn't great. Anyway, what did you

1250
01:18:56,399 --> 01:18:58,520
did? You guys take anyway thing
away from this? Did you enjoy it?

1251
01:18:59,279 --> 01:19:01,359
I just think we should probably move
away from sports for the rest of

1252
01:19:01,399 --> 01:19:04,159
the month. Okay, sorry to
ruin that for you. More than just

1253
01:19:04,319 --> 01:19:09,319
black athletes, they've contributed in other
ways in society. Peanut butter, right,

1254
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,800
like peanut butter, just peanut butter. Peanut butter and acid. It's

1255
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,039
god, it's so fucked up.
People think George Washington Carver about a peanut

1256
01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:17,079
butter, but that's such a common
thing. But he didn't do it.

1257
01:19:17,359 --> 01:19:21,520
You know, he just thought maybe
George Harver is actually not a bad one.

1258
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:27,039
Dude, He's got some interests.
So like it's very very white dudes

1259
01:19:27,079 --> 01:19:30,039
went to George Carver, Like,
but I don't know, what are you

1260
01:19:30,079 --> 01:19:32,720
supposed to? Oh my god,
I can't believe George Washington Carver is the

1261
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,920
only thing people get wrong in history. You know, people love Barack Obama.

1262
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:41,000
We should do Barack Obama. What
how he it's from Hawaiian used to

1263
01:19:41,159 --> 01:19:44,279
smoke weed and do go. There's
nothing and it's fun, like it's just

1264
01:19:44,359 --> 01:19:46,640
a guy that's that's a thing.
Like there's a lot of cool people out

1265
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,960
there, but it's hard to find. So yeah, Rob has his topic

1266
01:19:50,079 --> 01:19:54,680
next week, and yeah, I'll
close out. And I think I was

1267
01:19:54,720 --> 01:20:02,039
just gonna do slavery j just I
think it's about time we read. That's

1268
01:20:02,079 --> 01:20:05,880
it for tonight. I'll find something
good, Okay, cool for Rob Fox

1269
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:11,279
and danar Jester, I've and Jake
Goldman and you just got soft served.

1270
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:18,800
Thanks shouts of Xander Meander, the
guy that the soft serves. Oh yeah,

1271
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:26,159
no, Universal Dhi. Thank you.