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The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. No.

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Here is your host TJ leaves Well, Hello there and happy Sinco Demayo

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weekend. May the fourth be with
you and anything else you've got Kentucky Derby

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Saturday, and Oh Canello Alvarez back
and back in Mexico for the first time

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in over a decade, a Saturday
night pay per view that is coming against

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England's John Ryder. We're here to
talk all about that. Give you some

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news. We've got lots going on
here on the Big Fight Weekend preview podcast.

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I am merely the somewhat capable host. He is our insider from his

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Fight Freaks Unite substack from Big Fight
Weekend dot com. He has been killing

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it right now with great coverage and
great insight. Hello Dan Raphael, good

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to be back with you. Been
a busy week already and it's a week

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and a weekend that's going to culminate
with one of the top names in the

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sport, arguably the top name,
not a heavyweight for sure, in the

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sport, that is Canelo Alvarez.
How are you, sir? And are

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we ready to go? As the
month of May is upon us? We

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are ready, and as you said, he is the biggest star in the

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sport. All due respect for Tank
Davis, who says he's the new face

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of boxing, He's not yet.
He may be the face of boxing and

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waiting, but Kennel Albert is still
the face of boxing worldwide until further notice.

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And Saturday is another opportunity to show
if he isn't in fact still that

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guy in a big homecoming fight in
Mexico against writer. All right, moral

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on that, and just a second
reminder again, thank you for finding us

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a one on one exclusive interview with
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has has parted with his former trainer
of his last three fights. Goosen spoke

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to whom he spoke to mister Raphael
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you were following or subscribing, you
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get to that conversation in a few
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this one on the podcast feed if
you want to hear Joe in its entirety.

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Also, Dan's interview with Canelo Alvarez
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is two podcasts ago as a standalone
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slash subscribing, then you've got the
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and you don't even have to be
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So good stuff on that. Let's
get into the fight card that is

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coming up just outside of Guadalajara in
the Estadio Akrone is how they say it's

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acron in the United States, like
the Tire City in Ohio. Estadio at

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Krone seats fifty thousand or so for
boxing. We suspect it's going to be

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in the neighborhood of that. It's
exciting. We're almost here for Canello's return,

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first fight of twenty twenty three,
first fight since we saw him.

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You were there ring side to see
him defeat Ganadi Glovkin in what was kind

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of a trilogy third fight. Now
Cannelo has had surgery on the wrist.

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Now he is back. Your thoughts, Dan Is, the fight's about to

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be upon us in the preview month. Anytime Dane Alvarez is in the ring,

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I'm excited to watch him fight.
I don't care who he's fighting,

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whether it's a huge megafight or a
let's call this a regular fight, not

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a bad fight. I mean,
Ryder has earned his stripes and is a

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worthy contender in a division where Canelos
pretty much wiped out most of the top

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guys, with a couple of guys
that may still be having business to do

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with him down the road. But
the biggest attraction to this fight is a

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couple of things. One, how
is his wrist after the left wrist surgery

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that followed the Triple G third fight, which he had injured around the BiVO

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fight, was still kind of giving
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which it's certainly you know, didn't
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You said it was a trilogy.
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and boxing, not that's not always
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not, there's usually one fight of
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you know, there's a really I
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that's why they do a rematch,
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in this particular trilogy, you had
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triple G Knello one and two and
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third fight, which took a little
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done for a whole variety of reasons, was not as memorable as maybe it

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should be, and by the same
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other fights, uh Gaddy Ward for
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awesome, second fight good, not
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third fight incredible, second fight somewhat
forgettable. You can go on down

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their line. I mean, you've
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one of the word by far,
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between the four kings anyway, but
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on the on the on the next
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coming back. Uh, he's wanted
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have a fight. This is,
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home in uh, you know,
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what a decade in Mexico, and
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in hometown of Guadalara before he became
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So it's a big deal for him. And I'm you know, and on

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the podcast, if they go back
and listen to that interview, we talked

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about, uh, you know,
the butterflies he's gonna have fighting back at

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home. I mean, he's fought
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the world in his last many,
many fights, huge events, seventy something

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thousand at Cowboys Stadium, big megafights
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you know, he admitted that I
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bit of nervous excitement walking into a
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your people from your hometown, your
family, your friends, and there's that's

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a lot of pressure. Rider obviously
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him win the fight. I think
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stop him as long as the risk
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was sort of disappointed that the Triple
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fireworks that a lot of people hope
for it like they were in the first

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two fights. And you know,
there's still the the specter of the loss

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of people that sort of is still
kind of nause at him. I have

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to think he wants that rematch with
Peble in the September fight. Can't get

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there if he doesn't beat John Ryder
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I'll be the first moment. This
is not the biggest Canello fight we've seen,

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it's not even close, but it's
it's when the number one attraction in

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the sport and a guy that is
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one pound for pound. He may
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he's still among that elite group of
the top. You know what, half

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a dozen or five guys out there. I'm watching, man, I can't.

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I'm I'm excited for it. I
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the card is nothing to really write
home about, but you can you can

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write me down for watching Kenelo Alberst
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go to waddle her for this fight. For different reasons, I did not

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make the trip. You know,
I haven't really missed too many Canello fights

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were the last you know, ten
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be one of them, unfortunately,
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Saturday. I'm a Cannelo fan,
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to watch them. And for the
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the Sinco to Mile Weekend because I've
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doing on Big Fight Weekend dot com
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at every one of those from a
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There's one other one besides B Bold. There's been five of them before this

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one, so you've been to all
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which was in Vegas a year ago
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title. Here's the thing in boxing, if you're if you're a journalist and

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you're covering it, there's usually like, who were three guys whenever they're fighting,

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you're I mean, you know,
obviously there's reasons why you may not

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cover this fighter of that fight,
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small group of fighters that when they
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long time, you know, when
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fighting, I was going, When
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going. You know, a little
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and I had that same sort of
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know a handful of those types of
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fighters like Tank Davis, Canelo Alvarez, fighters of that ilk that are both

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outstanding fighters as well as popular attractions. All Right, so we've got a

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lot on this fight. Again,
we'll make some predictions on our bet US

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Boxing Show one Eastern time on the
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media, on Twitter, on twitch, etc. Canello heavy sixteen to one

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favorite over under I believe it's eight
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some picks on this fight. King
John Ryder hang in or not? I

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think it's fair to say he You
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title back two or three years ago, lost to Callum Smith. He also

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has losses to Rocky Field Day to
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This would be a monumental upset.
It's a bigger it's a bigger question.

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Not so much of the upset,
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Kenny hang in. So we'll make
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way, I neglected to mention that
we will talk shortly on this very podcast

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to one of the broadcasters calling the
fight on to Zone and their coverage in

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North America, I'm not sure.
I don't think it's the same announcers worldwide.

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There may be a different announcers on
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elsewhere on to Zone. But Todd
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Chris Mannix on the call Sergio Mora
with us in a few minutes on

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this podcast to break down the fight
as it as it all unfolded. Inch

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a couple of other interesting notes.
It's over forty one hundred days, by

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the way, since he last fought
in Mexico, Dan Rayfiel, did you

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know, because again I've been dominating
the numbers. Twenty two fights since his

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last fight in Mexico. It hasn't
been a while. So there we go.

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I knew, I knew it.
I knew that. I knew it's

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been over twenty fights. I knew
it's been over ten years. You know,

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you know this is this was the
spot to do the homecoming. There

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wasn't a big other fight out there
for him. You know. People can

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say, well, David Benavide as
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wasn't nakable at this moment in time. He's looking at the Bible fight at

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the end of the year. I'm
not really sure what other supposed negafight there

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was people talk about, you know, say Charlo, who's middleweight, still

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hasn't fought in two years. I
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landscape of available opposition, this was
the bright fight at the right time.

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Technically, it's a mandatory even though
he didn't have to do it right now,

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and not that Canello is ever going
to be pushed around by the organizations,

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but it does check a box.
Ryder was willing to fight him in

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Mexico. He wanted to go home
to Mexico, and this just seemed like

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the perfect moment to do that and
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I mean, when Cannello is made
the kind of money he's made, it's

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not going to infringe on his livelihood
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if he takes a bit of a
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But I'm happy to see him wanting
to give back to the fans at some

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point. And you know, again
we talked about Rider. The recent John

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Rider has been pretty good. He's
won four fights in a row. He

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did have the stoppage against Zach Parker
in November. That was not a great

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performance, but the fight was just
starting to get heated up. But the

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fight ended because Parker had a broken
risk or a broken hand and was the

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fight was ended after four rounds.
But that's not that's not John Ryder's problem,

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that's Zach Parker's problem. Now.
The fight before that, that was

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in February of last year, so
a little over a year ago. That

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was a split decision against Daniel Jacobs
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Jacobs a fighter that Canello had defeated. That was a questionable call. Let's

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be honest. I kind of thought
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lot of people thought Danny Jacobs won
the fight. John Rider was at home,

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he got his hand raise. It
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So those are two good wins in
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not lights out kind of performances.
The two fights before that were against just

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lower level opposition, and then the
fight before that he lot he lost a

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pretty clear decision to Callum Smith and
the fight you mentioned challenging for one of

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the world titles. Callum Smith is
a guy that got shut out essentially by

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Canello when they when Cannello won that
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the vacant titles in the first fight
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That made Cannello the undisputed champion.
So, you know, John Ryder's

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got a big mountain to climb.
I mean, he's a tough guy,

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he's a good fighter, he's got
a good chin. I think the one

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knockout notwithstanding, but this is a
very very heavy lift for him to win

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this fight, particularly in Guadalajara.
So he's certainly not the first guy to

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go to a popular star's hometown and
suffer the wrath of that fighter. I

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think Cannello is very motivated to put
on a great show for the hometown fans,

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to show that a forgettable twenty twenty
two is behind him, the combination

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of the loss and the the win
but not a not a not an exciting

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fight against canadi A Gluftin in their
third fight, So he wants to make

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a statement. I'm ready to go
back in the ring with Bebo or wherever

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else they have for me, and
I'm going to take care of my business

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in front of the home crowd.
And John Ryder better be ready to duck

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or put his hands up as I'm
gonna beat him up. That's why I

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think Canello's attitude for this face,
it's pretty succinct. We like that.

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So why don't we get some more
insight from somebody that again is there and

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on the call. Let's do that
right now on the podcast. Well,

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have been looking forward to getting some
insight from this guy. Always love the

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Latin Snake whenever he can jump aboard. He is on the Zone pay per

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view call coming up of Canelo Alvarez
and John Rider on Saturday night. He

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is in Guadalajara, Mexico as we
do this interview. So Snake, welcome

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back. Thank you for doing this. And I know the anticipation is building.

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Whenever you say the name Canello.
It's a big deal, but it's

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an extra big deal that he's back
in Mexico. Give me more on that

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aspect of this. You've been around
it now for a little while. The

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momentum is building. What is it
like in and around Mexico as fight week

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continues. No, it's incredible,
TJ. I wanted to come here extra

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early. Normally they eat me here
Wednesday at the earliest, but I decided

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to come one day earlier Tuesday and
spoke it all in And I mean,

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it's it's up in the air.
Everyone here, like the workers, the

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people that live here, the locals
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their face that they have. They're
having Cannello. He's like the president over

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here that Canello's gonna bring it home
and make it accessible to his friends and

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family and friends and everyone around.
Yeah, it's magical, man, And

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I'm glad to be a part of
it because it's so hard to get tickets

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right now I got family in Balla
Lahara, I got family surrounding areas,

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and they're asking me for tickets.
I said, hey, man, listen,

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Canelo's the man. He holds all
the cards. So you gotta go

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to the ticket master and you gotta
do it right. He says, I

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cannot help you this time. The
Latin Snake is not ticket master. He

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just wants to confine that. Here
is part of the podcast. All right,

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You've had the privilege to be on
the call of several can Hello fights.

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I guess just first of all,
in general, what is that like?

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Because this guy is different, This
guy is one of the iconic people

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in the sport for the last fifteen
years. What's it like to call a

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Canelo flight fight like you'll be doing
on Saturday night. Well, it's incredible

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because I've been calling all his fight
since he came to the Zone. So

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you know, they rolled the red
carpet out for him and every single show

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MATCHAMUM Promotions and Eddie Earn doing an
incredible job with the pyrometrics and the promotion

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of the stadium, whether it's in
Miami or the Dolphins play with her ATNC

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or in Vegas, anywhere he goes. It's incredible, you know. So

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you're not only getting the aura of
Canelo making the ring entrance of course of

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fighting. We're getting a show.
You know, the music, the band.

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You know Canelo always has, you
know, the center, Fernando de

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Son Alekandra Fernandez. I know you
don't listen to you know, that kind

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of music, but it's iconic.
Yeah, and he has he has everybody

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from reggaetone music that soun die and
you know it's incredible. Man, It's

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a show, that's what it is, and you just enjoy it. Yeah,

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we know who those people are.
Because the mariachi band strikes up.

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And you mentioned Vegas right, so
special in Vegas. But you were at

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at and T Stadium a couple of
years ago for the Billy Joe Saunders fight

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in the in the Cowboys Football Stadium. Take me back to that just for

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half a second, because this may
be similar, if not better, come

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Saturday night that when they strike up
the mariachi. What was it like in

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Arlington with seventy thousand plus coming to
their feet because you were there, I'll

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tell you what it was, seventy
two thousand at at and T and it

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was an incredible spectable during the pen
dinner. That's you got to throw that

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in during a pandemic. So I
can only imagine there's gonna be twenty thousand

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people left here in the Akronson,
but it's gonna be I think more passionate,

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man, because it's gonna be the
locals. You know, they's signed

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to be as many people, but
it's still gonna be rabid, hardcore Mexican

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fans and everyone that came in to
support writer as well. You know,

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I've seen a lot of it as
well. You know, they always traveled

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brists across the Pond to support their
the they're fighters, so it's a little

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bit of both. But I'll tell
you after the five team day, we

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can do a podcast afterwards that I
can tell you right now that the treml

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is going to do to the roof, and I always videotape it and I

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posted on my social media, so
you'll get an indirect vicarious look at it,

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you know, to social posting.
I love that. From the Latin

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stake. Sergio Mora He and Todd
Grisham, Chris Mannex will be on the

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call Saturday night to Zone pay per
View, Canello and John Rider. He's

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gracious to give me a couple of
minutes here from Mexico. A couple of

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more minutes. Okay, Canello heavily
favored. We get it. Vastly experienced.

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Hall of Fame first ballot, unanimous. John Riders got five career losses.

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He was pretty good against Callum Smith
and the loss a couple of years

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ago. He was good and got
a decision against Daniel Jacobs. If he

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has any chance to hang in and
make this interesting, put the analyst hat

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on. How does or keep it
interesting? Sergio? Now he's going to

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keep it interesting because he's a physical
fighter. He's a south tall, very

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strong, the natural super middleweight.
These are all things that you have to

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respect. The fact that this is
the main thing. I'm gonna be focusing

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on the fact that John Ryder's writing
momentum the two biggest ones of his career.

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You know, he beat an undefeated
fighter in Zach Park and he beat

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whether you think he won or not, he got to win versus Daniel Jacobs.

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The man, a man that I'm
familiar with. I know how big,

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how strong and powerful is John Rider
was able to back him up perhaps

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fight. That means that Rider's really
strong and that south Fall Fantacy has good

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timing. Canello's faced at all.
So I'm not going to make a case

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for a rider winning this fight because
it will be lunacy. What I can

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tell you is that he's gonna make
a case or making a tough and difficult

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fight for Canello, you know,
for however long and Lass. I don't

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think it goes to distance, but
I do think it goes into the second

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half of the fight. It will
be physical and we'll see how the cards

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fall, but it's gonna be a
physical fight. And also one more,

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anything Canello does, like I like
to joke, even if he makes a

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mean face at John Ryder, the
crowd's gonna go crazy. Just anticipate for

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me, what I mean, what
is that like You've been in these settings

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before where I mean, especially you
know at and t Las Vegas. Anything

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he does, his crowd, Canello's
crowd. Canello's people go crazy, and

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that's got to have an effect on
this one Saturday night, right, Yeah,

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but you know every hometown fighter has
that luxury. I mean, can

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you consider that same thing about Daniel
Jacobs going across the pond to the UK.

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He didn't get the not his saver, he didn't get the judges on

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his favor, the pants on his
stable, and ultimately he didn't get the

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decision, which he probably should have. So now John Dryder's terence to actually

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be on the flip side of that
point. You know it's gonna be a

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fifty thousand plus again, you know, hostile environment. He's gonna have to

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fight through it. That's the fight
he did. Love the Latin Snake.

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Sergio Mora gracious to give me time. He reiterates again, he does not

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have tickets. Do not call him, do not tell him, do not

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DM him. He does not have
tickets for Canelo and Rider. But he's

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good to give me a few minutes
and break it down here on the Big

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Five Weekend podcast. Thank you Snake. We'll all be watching Saturday. I

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always appreciate you. Now you got
a PJ anytime. Man, You're a

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big boxing ton of gall of respectful
what to do and yeah, and keep

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on chugging along. Now, I
love your podcast. The conversation continues in

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Canello returns on Saturday against John Ryder
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watch it with our friends at PPV
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that whenever I reach out, Sergio
is always good to be with us,

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and he's right there, as he
was joking Dan Rayphael, stop hitting him

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up for tickets. He's got no
tickets. He's got family, he's got

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friends, he's not ticketmaster, and
it is going to be a hot ticket.

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And what's what's interesting in reading some
about this is there, obviously,

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you know, floor seats on the
stadium floor. It's a soccer stadium where

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I think it's called c D.
Guadalajara is the mexic Can La Liga La

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Liga in Espanol, the big Mexican
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play soccer there. So they've got
ringside seats and the lower level seats are

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high priced, but for the upper
level they're much more affordable. And it

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is going to be quite an atmosphere
in that building. And Sergio knows that

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from what he was saying just being
around town midweek. As now we accelerate

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into Friday, we released this podcast, and we get to Saturday, all

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of it will crank up. And
I'm interested. He said, Hey,

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we expect some of the Brits to
be here too. For writer how big,

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I don't know, but you know, as he gonna have ten people

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there one hundred. You know,
three hundred. I have no idea it's

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gonna get drowned out when the mariachi
strike up and Dan just relate this and

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then we'll move on. You were
there at at and T Stadium two years

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ago at this time against Billy Joe
Saunders. There were over seventy thousand in

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there, and when they struck the
mariachi up and the whole place stood up.

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I'm sure at that moment Billy Joe
Saunders is going, Okay, here

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we go. Yeah, this is
what I'm against. A writer, Yeah,

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there was. I think I hunted
a few Brits that were there.

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But again, that was like a
like ad a seventy four thousand, I

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want to say it was or seventy
three thou. All I know is that

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the attendants that night at at and
T Stadium shattered the indoor American boxing attendants

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are gonna buy like ten thousand fans. The old record had been sixty something

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thousand at the Superdome in nineteen seventy
eight for the rematch between Muhammad Ali and

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Leon Spinks. This fight blew that
out of the water, and it did

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so at a time when the pandemic
was still happening. So when I was

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there for the Billy Joe fight,
we were still within the bubble in a

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hotel. We couldn't leave the hotel. We had everywhere wristbands you had to

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get tested for COVID. I had
to, like, you know, when

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I got there, I had to
get the wristband and go to my room

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and then I could come down and
get my test in the morning before I

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could be free to move about the
hotel. And so there was still like

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a lot of trepidation from a lot
of people about being in big crowds,

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but there was so much pent up
demand and I knew this was going to

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be incredible when I went to the
Way In, which was outside at AT

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and T Stadium on a blazing hot
day in Texas, and they had an

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area in front of the staging where
all the officials were and where media was,

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etc. But then they had an
area for fans, and they had

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a limited capacity. They limited the
capacity in front of the stadium for the

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fan area for the Way into five
thousand, and it was absolutely full.

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And I remember walking up to the
up to there. Now, I remember

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I'd been like every a lot of
other people. I'd basically been home for

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sixteen months in the house. When
I saw those people, I swear to

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God Teach, I almost like started
to cry because I hadn't been hadn't seen

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that many people in a year and
a half. I remember the night before,

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the night after I got there.
I got there at night, and

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the next day in the hotel,
I had dinner with Adam Konaki, the

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heavyweight, Chris Algieri, you know, the one hundred and forty pound former

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champion now broadcaster, our buddy,
Keith Idik, the manager for those two

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boxers, Keith Connelly. We all
had dinner together in the hotel because you

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couldn't leave the hotel go anywhere.
And I remember sitting down at dinner that

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night and thinking of it's not Jesus, this is the first first time I've

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sat down for a meal with anybody
other than a wife and son in sixteen

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months. And so I think that
helped bring out a shitload of people for

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that fight. It would have been
a big fight anyway because of Cannello star

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power and the fact that it was
a significant title unification and all that,

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but that combined with the fact that
it was the first time in a while

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where a full capacity crowd was allowed, you know, in Texas, which

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had opened up a little bit more
than some other states in the country,

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and it lent itself to a mega
atmosphere and just a Huger event, and

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that would seventy some thousand. Now, even though the fight in Guadalajara is

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gonna probably be around fifty thousand,
I'm gonna tell you it's probably gonna be

404
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,119
a smilar kind of atmosphere because this
is a pent up demand to have their

405
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:47,480
hometown hero back in the ring in
their presence defending the undisputed super middleweight title.

406
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,359
It's a It's a big moment for
Cannello Alvarus for sure, no doubt.

407
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:55,240
Okay, So on the undercard,
the co feature l Ray, the

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00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,079
WBC flyweight champion Julio Cesar Martinez is
in action. We would love to tell

409
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,680
you that we know tons about this
fight, but a little inside baseball,

410
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,759
we don't know tons about the opponent
or about the fight. We just know

411
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,359
that this is one of the more
prominent smallest wave fighters in the world.

412
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:17,000
He's in action in Mexico. There
will be a tension on this, so

413
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:21,000
it's worth mentioning here. On the
podcast. That's the fight immediately before Canello

414
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:26,119
coming up Saturday night, right,
Oh absolutely, I mean Julio Cesar Martinez

415
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,880
is exciting. He's part of that
Canello stable with Eddie Renoso, etc.

416
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,920
And he's making his six title defense. So he's been handling his business for

417
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,799
a while now. People remember maybe
there's the fight on Saturday. Then there

418
00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:41,200
was a defense before that, But
the fight before that, which was in

419
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,680
the early part of twenty twenty two, he was a late replacement when Juan

420
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,440
Francisco Astrada was ill and had to
withdraw from At the time, what was

421
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,960
the next fight that he was gonna
have with the Roman Chocoltito Gonzalez. He

422
00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:57,480
filled in and he got beaten pillared
a post by Chacoltito. But he also

423
00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:02,200
moved up to Junior bannaway from Flywaight. Now he's back in Flyway. He

424
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,200
had one fight since then he won, and now he's defending the title again

425
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,720
on this undercard and he has listening
for him. It's kind of a big

426
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,440
deal too, because he's getting a
chance to defend this title at you know,

427
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:15,200
at home, maybe you know not
in He's not from Guadalajara. The

428
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,640
way that canelo Is, but it's
still a big deal anytime you know you're

429
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,799
a Mexican champion. He can fight
a big time fight in on a big

430
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:26,359
time card in front of Mexican fens. He's from Mexico City, but there's

431
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,759
a lot riding on this for him
if he wins this fight. We've discussed

432
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:33,839
this in the past on the podcast. He is also involved with match Room

433
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,119
Boxing. They now have the promotional
contract with Sonny Edwards, who's the IBF

434
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,640
champion in that weight class. They
obviously have dam Rodrigues who recently moved down

435
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,359
to that weight class and one the
WBO title. Now he's out, you

436
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,160
know, till the end of the
year, most likely because of the jaw

437
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,599
injury. But the main point is
that Eddie Hearn has talked about in the

438
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:53,359
Boxers I've talked about now that all
three of these champions are all in the

439
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,799
same promotional stable and on the same
broadcaster, it's going to lend itself to

440
00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:02,920
them making a unification fight. And
so what order that happens, who fights

441
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,240
who first, etc. Is still
up in the air, I guess.

442
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,960
But if Julio sees our Martinez comes
through this fight, you can be sure

443
00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:11,839
that he's going to get a unification
fight. It would seem to me,

444
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,400
and if if Bam is going to
be out for a little while, that

445
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,599
the logical step would be if if
Julio sees our Martinez wins his fight against

446
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,519
Ronald Batista come Saturday, and Sonny
Edwards takes care of his business that fight

447
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,680
was just that his next defense would
just announce that's going to take place in

448
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:33,240
June. That would put them roughly
on the same schedule. It would seem

449
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,599
logical to have them fight each other
at the end of the year and then

450
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:40,839
let Bam Rodriguez come back from his
jaw injury, probably get you one fight

451
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,400
under his belt after the injury,
and then match up with the theoretically the

452
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,839
winner. If that fight between Martinez
and Sonny Edwards takes place, a three

453
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:49,759
belt unification, that would be a
fantastic plan in my mind, and a

454
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:53,559
doable fight each one of them by
nat Room not I mean, the fighters

455
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:56,200
would make their best pay days,
but it would not be at a level

456
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,759
of pay where it's going to break
anybody's budget. There it would be affordable

457
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:02,920
for Matchuman for the Zone to do
and I think that would be a great

458
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,839
plan. Now, Ronald Batista probably
canna have something to say about that.

459
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,519
He's fifteen and two, he's got
nine knock gods, he has been stopped

460
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,079
one time. He's from Panama.
He's won three fights in a row.

461
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,799
The one loss he had was against
a fighter name Michael, a lawyer who

462
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,799
was a French fighter who was in
the Olympics. That was back in twenty

463
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,559
nineteen. He got knocked down in
that fight. That's pretty much what we

464
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:26,799
know about Ronald Batista. I haven't
seen him. I can't be less than

465
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:30,000
honest if I said I knew him
the way I know so many of these

466
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,359
other challengers. But he's been around
for a bit, he's got a good

467
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,079
record. Got to expect he's gonna
give a great effort. He's getting a

468
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,559
chance of a lifetime here on this
big card to fight for the world title.

469
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,200
Smart money would be on Martinez.
But the thing about Martinez, TJ

470
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:45,279
and anybody that's watched him, he
can be a little bit inconsistent. You

471
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,079
know, he did lose to Chocolate
Tito. He did have you know,

472
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:51,240
wins where he maybe need to look
so great. But the onus is going

473
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:53,160
to be on him to come out
there and produce the kind of performance that's

474
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,039
gonna make guys like you, me
and regular fans say, you know what,

475
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,759
Damn, I want to see this
dude against Damn. I want to

476
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:03,960
see this dude against Sonny Edwards.
You know that type of excitement level,

477
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,920
see what he can do. All
right, there we go. So that

478
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:11,000
is the card in Mexico for Saturday
night. So we're gonna move on with

479
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:15,240
little news that a little nostalgia.
Let's say, first again, great job

480
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,359
grabbing Joe Goosen as you did for
the podcast again that is immediately before this

481
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:25,000
one. Some excellent stuff about the
parting with Ryan Garcia. If first of

482
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,759
all, just pull the curtain back. You've had a long relationship with him.

483
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,079
You were trying to get a hold
of him, and he accommodated you.

484
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,000
As it turned out, I'm getting
messages in the middle of the night

485
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:36,839
from Raphael. I'm asleep. I
didn't even see him till I woke up.

486
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,440
I got Joe Goosen, I got
Joe Goosen. We gotta get it

487
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:42,519
on the podcast feed because Joe told
you I need to call you after dinner

488
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,440
Pacific time, and he called you
after dinner Pacific time. That's how it

489
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,480
worked, right. Yeah, So
I mean, like you said, I've

490
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,519
known Joe my entire career. I
had a very close relationship with Joe's brother,

491
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:56,200
the late promoter Dan Goosen, who
Joe is going to join in the

492
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,480
Boxing Hall of Fame this summer,
because Dan was inducted a couple of years

493
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,359
ago and Joe will be inducted this
summer. Both very worthwhile. But I

494
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,640
had a very close relationship with his
brother Dan for many, many years.

495
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,039
But I've also known Joe literally since
I first started covering boxing in two thousand,

496
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:17,119
when I was hired to cover the
sport for USA Today. And I've

497
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,960
always had a friendly relationship with him. I know a lot of members of

498
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,119
his family. Over the years,
I've covered a lot of fights he's been

499
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:23,880
involved in, and you know,
he's a good He's a great guy,

500
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:30,279
whether he's doing stuff as a trainer
or as a commentator and darious capacities,

501
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,559
most recently on Fox Sports. But
anyway, so I didn't see Joe.

502
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,279
Obviously, he didn't come to the
press conference after the fight. That was

503
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:40,400
sort of curious. I was interested
about that. But I also when the

504
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,279
news was coming out that Ryan and
him had broken apart. I wanted to

505
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:47,200
find out what was going on.
I texted him. He was actually in

506
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,599
the gym training other fighters. I
mean, even though he's not worked with

507
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,039
Ryan anymore, he's still works with
the other boxers and he's still busy to

508
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,079
getting their careers going and helping them
get ready for their fights. And so

509
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:57,960
we were just looking for the right
time to do it. So we ended

510
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,839
up talking on the phone prior to
our interview. We didn't really talk about

511
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:05,200
boxing TJ. We talked for like
a half an now or about other stuff,

512
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,359
our families, just other things in
life, I mean, just because

513
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,640
we hadn't had that kind of catchup
time in a while. But he said,

514
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,039
Okay, I'm going to get dinner. I'll call you back when i'm

515
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:15,839
done. I texted him like a
little I said, just you know,

516
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,200
when you've done, give me a
call back. Take your time. I

517
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,759
was up in the office. It
was late, probably around midnight, eleven

518
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,440
thirty midnight Wednesday night, and he
called me back and we knocked out the

519
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,519
interview and he said, you know, I haven't talked to anybody, and

520
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:31,160
I appreciated the words. And Joe, they'll hear him. You know he

521
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:37,279
has a trust in my professionalism in
being fair and accurate, and you know,

522
00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:38,799
anybody listens to the interview, I
didn't hold back on the questions.

523
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:42,440
I asked him the point playing things
that needed to be asked. And as

524
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,160
I described it, you know,
every big fight, whenever something happens at

525
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,640
that level, you have to do
with the autopsy, and this was the

526
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,680
autopsy with the trainer of the loser
of the fight, who then ended up

527
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,279
finding himself being a sent in many
ways, one of the fall guys for

528
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,400
that app for that situation. I
will say this, I was very impressed

529
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:06,039
the way that Joe described the way
that they parted, ways that he did.

530
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,799
Ryan Garcia is a stand up person. He did not not tell him

531
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:13,000
and just like let him twist in
the wind and start training for another fight

532
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:15,759
and not bother to tell him.
And he hears that he's training with somebody

533
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:19,359
else, which happens. He didn't
have one of his people call and say

534
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,759
you're fired, or we're doing something
different, or anything like that. He

535
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:28,680
didn't let anybody from the media tell
Joe Goosen. And I say that because

536
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:34,799
despite my great respect and admiration for
Oscar dal Lejoya. I still remember the

537
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,039
day when I was in a hotel
in Houston, Texas, and I ran

538
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:39,440
into my good pal Freddie Roach,
and Freddie Roach found out that he had

539
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,759
been fired as Oscar deal Ley's trainer
because the reporter Dan Rafael told him that

540
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,519
was not a good feeling. As
I thought, he knew that was a

541
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:52,799
bad situation. But that was a
long time ago. But Ryan Garcia,

542
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,559
according to Joe, picked up the
phone himself, called Joe and told him

543
00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:00,400
he was gonna probably did he was
gonna do something else, and I you

544
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,599
respect that and we should say this. He says it in the podcast.

545
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,400
He said it before in the other
interviews that his relationship goes back to Ryan

546
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:13,639
seven years ago, being an amateur
and being in Joe's jim as a seventeen

547
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,679
year old. And Joe even said
to you in this interview again something he's

548
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:19,960
reiterated. He was encouraging Ryan,
you need to go ahead and turn pro

549
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,000
He put an offer in front of
him that Ryan and his family didn't take.

550
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,960
Instead, they got more money obviously, and felt it was a better

551
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,159
deal to go with Golden Boy.
But Joe said we would constantly be in

552
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,119
contact over the years, he would
call me and say, what did you

553
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:37,360
think of my fight? And furthermore, he believes that will continue. We

554
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,320
are still friendly, We are still
friends, were on good terms, and

555
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:44,119
I think he'll still call me and
we'll still talk. So that the great

556
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,039
stuff. That was even before Golden
Boy, because Brian already had like seven

557
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,719
or eight fights before he signed with
Golden Boy. This was when he was

558
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,480
first turning pro. He didn't I
guess didn't like the offer or wanted to

559
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:57,239
do something different than any event.
Look, you know, for all the

560
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,719
negativity that people keep on Ryan Garcia, the fact that he called him on

561
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,880
his own and did the deed man
to man, how do you not respect

562
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,679
that? And you know, for
Joe's side of things, Joe has been

563
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,960
around a long time, He's gonna
He's trained class of great fighters. And

564
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,760
every fighter, every trainer out there
has been fired or let go or change

565
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:21,000
have their fighter change plans one time
or another. And as I mentioned the

566
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:24,920
fact that Ryan Garcia lost this fight
and elected that for his purposes, he

567
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,159
felt like it was important to his
career to do something different in terms of

568
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:31,519
his training situation, is not in
any way a reflection on the legacy that

569
00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:36,480
Joe Goosen has in this sport.
Whether Ryan Garcia won that fight or lost

570
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,480
that fight, Joe is going to
be inducted into the Boxing All of Fame

571
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,360
in June, which he deserves,
and he'll have more good fighters in the

572
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,519
future. And it doesn't change the
great fighters and great fights he's been involved

573
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:49,920
with, you know, in the
year's past. This is just another one

574
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,039
of those things. They had a
three fight run together. It didn't go

575
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:57,440
their way in this fight. But
it's not a negativity in my mind anyway

576
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,519
on Joe or even on Ryan for
that matter. I mean, it is

577
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:01,360
what it is. When guys losing, you got to be comfortable with the

578
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,880
trainer. If Ryan wants to do
something different, he's sure as heck,

579
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,760
isn't the first boxing started beside the
chain trainers. And by the way,

580
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,079
when we get to the nostalgia,
Joe was involved in the corner with a

581
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:15,599
phenomenal fight that has an anniversary coming
up, and Raphael was ringside for it.

582
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,840
There's a tease for a little bit
later here when we talk nostalge in

583
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,519
a few minutes. First, some
other news, okay, not the news

584
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:24,480
that Deontay Wilder wanted to be making
but as it turns out, earlier this

585
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:30,039
week, late night Monday night into
Tuesday, he was pulled over in Los

586
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:36,599
Angeles in his Rolls Royce and not
only did they smell marijuana and cite him

587
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:38,880
for possession of marijuana, but they
also took him into custody for having a

588
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:46,320
nine millimeter handgun. Illegal to have
a concealed handgun in California, So again,

589
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,760
that's a serious thing in California.
He did the only comment he's made,

590
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,360
he did put on social media,
better to be safe than sorry,

591
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,800
like implying I need it for protection, for whatever that's worth. Kind of

592
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,920
a hip to comment. That's the
only comment he's made, so a blotch

593
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:07,639
on the Wilder resume while we await
to see when and where he might be

594
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:12,239
back, any other thoughts on that
because he's the former heavyweight champel. First

595
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,800
of all, I don't maybe I'm
wrong about this, but I don't think

596
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,079
having marijuana and California is illegal anymore, at least in small quantities. But

597
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:22,920
when when the police smelled it in
the car that led them, and I

598
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,039
guess they also had pulled them,
driving under the influence becomes a concern and

599
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,400
all of course, plus he had
obscure license tags. I guess he had

600
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,159
tinted windows, I mean all that
stuff. Whatever, The bottom line is

601
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,360
they found the gun when they searched
the car. They said Deante was cooperative.

602
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,199
I mean that's good. He wasn't
like causing trouble or resisting the situation.

603
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,440
My comment would be, if it's
true, I mean an East inniscents,

604
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,960
heel proven guilty if that goes that
far to a court case. The

605
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:50,239
bottom line is, if he wants
to say better safe than sorry, and

606
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,039
he wants to have a weapon,
I can't argue with that. It's your

607
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:55,480
constitutional right to have a handgun,
I suppose if if you follow, but

608
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:59,000
you gotta follow the rules. So
if he wanted to have the gun,

609
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:04,599
that's okay, but do so legally, not possession of an unlicensed firearm.

610
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,199
You got to follow the rules,
and you got to know what stature in

611
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,840
and what the rule of where you
are things. So if you're in California

612
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:15,360
and you have an unlicensed weapon for
protection or otherwise, you're gonna find yourself

613
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,519
in trouble. And I would simply
say, uh, you know, not

614
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:21,679
a good look to be If this
is the case. Driving around La in

615
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,079
a fancy Rolls Royce, perhaps under
the influence of marijuana, with a with

616
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:27,239
a with a weapon in your card, It's not a good look. What

617
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,719
do you expect is going to happen? You know, if you should get

618
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,800
pulled over. So look, Deante, I've always thought Dante was a good

619
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,800
guy. I like Deante. I've
known him as I've covered his pro debut,

620
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,039
I've covered a ton of his fights, interviewed him a thousand times.

621
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:42,480
No, his team known him a
long long time. A good guy at

622
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:46,639
heart. H feels like this was
a bad decision to ride around with the

623
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:51,880
gun in the card that was unlicensed. Having the weapon is not the issue,

624
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,400
although I'm not a gun guy,
but having it perhaps and not being

625
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:59,360
legal, that's the problem. You
got to follow the rules, is the

626
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,440
bottom line. Well, and it
is different, as you mentioned, in

627
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,079
every state. I'm in the state
of Florida, where it's a lot more

628
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,760
lax in terms of carrying concealed a
lot of the southern states it is.

629
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:10,480
And this is another important distinction because
every state is different. Even though you're

630
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:15,119
licensed in some states, you have
to get a license in other states to

631
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:20,480
carry the weapon concealed as opposed to
just having possession of it in your home,

632
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,320
etc. In the event of a
self defense argument or whatever. So

633
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,800
you're right, I mean, he's
going to be in some I don't know

634
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,000
what the outcome of this is going
to be a TG but it wasn't like

635
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:35,320
a misdemeanor. This is apparently the
charge of this possession, for whatever their

636
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,840
reasons are, rose to a felony
level. Could put himself in some trouble.

637
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:44,039
Now, I don't know what the
what the typical rulings are on these

638
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:45,519
cases, like how they're sentence said. You know, he's it's not like

639
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:50,519
the Leonte is a habitual offender and
he's been now arrested four or five times.

640
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,920
It's you know, it seems like
a blip on the radar in that

641
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:55,320
sense. So hopefully at the end
of the day they work it out,

642
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,920
he learns the lesson. You do
the right thing, you follow the rules,

643
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,360
and put the bullshit aside. And
we spent a lot more time talking

644
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:05,800
about Deante Wilder getting ready for a
big heavyweight fight then whatever legal issues he

645
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,159
may have in a California courtroom because
he was holding an unlicensed weapon in a

646
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,800
car on a late night in Los
Angeles. All right, good enough,

647
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,559
some other news. Homi Mongia is
back. I hesitate to even bring this

648
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:23,440
up. When is he going to
get in front of a world championship caliber

649
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:27,000
fighter or fight. Here we go
again. He's in the main event for

650
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:31,440
Golden Boy with Sergei de Revanchenko,
who has been in with some champs in

651
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:36,079
some championship fights. Gave Triple G
all he could handle in that fight.

652
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:39,719
But that's been over a couple of
years ago. AGAINO won that fight.

653
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:45,000
There you go. But I mean, at this point for Mungia, what

654
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,159
is up you're on? Yeah,
you're being on a fair Why I have

655
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,639
been the biggest fucking Mongia critic in
the world. He's fought nothing but shit

656
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,519
for the last few years. Okay, And I've written that, I've said

657
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:00,639
that, I've bitched and moaned to
Golden Boy about it. I don't know

658
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:05,119
if it's Mungia's thing, or it's
a Golden Boy thing or his co promoters

659
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:08,480
in for promotions. He turned down
mandatory opportunities. When he went from one

660
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:10,840
fifty four, where he had a
world title and he vacated because he was

661
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,199
a champion. He moved up to
the next way class. He could have

662
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:17,719
had a mandatory defense, mandatory shot
at that WBO title multiple times. He

663
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,880
didn't take it. He thought a
bunch of nobody's very disappointing. Now,

664
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,639
at the very least, now he's
moving up to one sixty eight and he's

665
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:27,480
taken on Devin Jeno, but a
devin Chenko he's also moving up and wait,

666
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,920
so at least from that standpoint,
it's even now. Sergey devin Chenko

667
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,119
is a little bit older, I
grant you, but his losses have been

668
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,519
to the elite of the elite.
He has a split decision loss against Danny

669
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:40,920
Jacobs, close close fight. I
was ringside. I thought Danny won,

670
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:45,679
but it was really really close.
He's got the loss to Triple G,

671
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:47,599
which I thought, which first of
all, was a fucking great fight,

672
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,679
and I thought he won the fight, and I wasn't the only one I

673
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,719
was at that fight. Also,
he has a very competitive decision loss,

674
00:41:54,760 --> 00:42:00,159
but a clear loss to Charlow and
a challenge for the WBC title. And

675
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,280
his only other loss was against Carlos
Adamas, who was one of the better

676
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:07,679
middleweights out there. He now holds
an intern belt. He's actually gonna headline

677
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,400
a Showtime card coming up this summer. Those are the losses. So he's

678
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,559
fought the best guys and out of
those four losses he could be two and

679
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:20,880
two. I understand why people think
he might have beaten Jacobson, certainly Glofkin.

680
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,280
You know, he lost competitively against
Adamas and Charlot, but he was

681
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,760
never knocked out. He wasn't dominated
in any of those fights. And for

682
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,000
a guy like Mungie who's fought direct
for the last three years or so,

683
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:35,920
to take on Devin Schenko, even
an older Devon Schenko. I granted,

684
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,000
this is a big step up for
him. Now. There was no title

685
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:40,800
fight available to him at the moment. If he wants to fight at super

686
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,280
middleweight, there's a man we've been
talking about who's the undisputed champ. That's

687
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:51,079
Canelo Alvares. So on the Himimungi
a scale where his recent fights had been

688
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:54,360
like ones and zeros and twos,
he's fighting like now, like let's call

689
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:59,440
like a seven or an eight.
So is it the greatest You're being awful

690
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:01,599
numeorous on seven or eight. I
mean he's lost all of those I'm talking

691
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:05,719
about. On the Hemi Mungia scale. He's a name, But if if

692
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,440
Mungia beats him, isn't the general
reaction unless you're a huge Mangia fan.

693
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:13,119
So what this guy already lost all
these other fights. No, I don't

694
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:15,119
think that's fair. I mean,
it depends how he beats him. I

695
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:16,599
mean, if he stops him,
that's impressive, because no one's ever stopped

696
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:21,199
Devin Jego, even in those losses
against the very best guys, um,

697
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:23,800
you know. And we'd be having
a different conversation if he gets the call

698
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,119
against Triple G like a lot of
people thought he should have, this would

699
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:31,000
be a totally different conversation. So
I don't agree with your assessment. Do

700
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:36,039
I think that Mungia should handle him
because he's a little bit older, Absolutely,

701
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,960
But do I think that of what's
out there and compared to the garbage

702
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,480
that fucking Mungie has been fighting,
this is a very solid fight. I'm

703
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:46,079
happy that it's happening. It's certainly
better than some unknown you know, uh

704
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:52,679
uh, you know, public service
person. I mean, or a cab

705
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,760
driver or a you know, a
school teacher or a trash collector electrician.

706
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,480
Okay, Turgey Devin Schenko is a
bona fide professional fighter who was a tremendous

707
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,199
amateur and has been a very good
pro. All right, and I will

708
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,920
say once again, Heimi Mungia's career
completely mismanaged. For the last three years.

709
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,360
They've wasted three times. Well,
you do agree on that that fight

710
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,760
in June. In June, Golden
Boyd his own main event. Okay,

711
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,440
top rank, by the way,
has won a purse. Bid you report

712
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:23,440
it on this or archer better BF
to defend against Callum Smith. Can I

713
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:28,639
just say something about this because pick
a lane, pick a lane. WBC

714
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,320
usually you're the biggest critic, but
pick a lane. So we have this

715
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,199
criticism of Dmitri b Bole that they
want to stand in the way of b

716
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,920
BOL fighting better BF because the Russians
can't be fighting for the WBC title.

717
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,320
But here's the reality, it's not
the fight they want. The fight they

718
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,639
want, obviously, is with their
number one guy, Callum Smith. So

719
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,199
it's okay for Better B of the
Russian to fight somebody you wanted to fight.

720
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,360
So pick a pick a lane,
pick a lane on it. Listen.

721
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,800
As you know, I can certainly
be very critical of sanctioning buddies,

722
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,039
and I've been critical of the WBC
numerous times. In this case, I

723
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:01,599
don't. I don't think it's a
matter of Pickolane, because if Bevo was

724
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:07,199
not Russian, they would have given
a better b of the exception to do

725
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,480
a unification, fright, if that's
what he approached them to ask to do,

726
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:13,800
so, I don't think it's got
to do with that. They had

727
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,760
at least been consistent in their rejection
of the Russian fighters boxing for their titles.

728
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,159
Now, the reason why it's okay
for better BF to have the WBC

729
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:28,239
title as a Russian born fighter because
he's he has He's Russian by his birth

730
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,800
and his heritage, obviously, but
he has boxed his entire professional career out

731
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:37,440
of Canada in Montreal. He is
now a Canadian citizen. I believe he

732
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:43,320
is a Montreal bass fighter. For
as long as he's been a professional,

733
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,719
he fought, you know, he
boxes under the Canadian flag. He's introduced

734
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,119
us from Canada, and that was
even before what happened with Ukraine. So

735
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,199
that is okay in the terms of
Bevol. I mean, I don't.

736
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,960
It's not like Bevo's out there supporting
the war or anything like that. He's

737
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,800
certainly spoken out again to some degree, but they've been again. I'm big

738
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,840
on consistency. Don't do one thing
for one person and do it different for

739
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,159
the other. At least in the
WBC's case when it comes to this situation,

740
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,880
they have been consistent and so that's
the reason why that Better BF than

741
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,519
B will fight, at least for
the moment, is not happening. Now.

742
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,880
That said, as as a backup
plan, there's nothing wrong with him

743
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,079
fighting Count Smith. Couna Smith is
a former super middleweight champion. The only

744
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:30,119
loss of his career was the decision
to Canello when he lost the belts to

745
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:34,199
lost the belt to him plus for
the vacant w BA title or one of

746
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:37,039
the doll figet which belt it was, but he lost the fight that was

747
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:39,599
for two titles. And you know, this is a good matchup. He's

748
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:43,760
looked good at light heavyweight. It
is two wins by knockout and here he

749
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,679
goes to fight better BF. He's
gonna have to travel from the UK Top

750
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,880
Ranks plan. They don't have an
exact day yet, but you can bank

751
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,000
on it being scheduled for July.
It'll be on one of their top rank

752
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,119
ESPN cards and listen Top Rank was
very aggressive in their bidding. They bid

753
00:46:55,159 --> 00:47:00,159
over two million dollars to win the
first bit two point one million dollars they

754
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,679
beat out and barely edge by the
way. The other there was only one

755
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,480
other bidder that was the calun Smith
team of match Room Boxing bid two million,

756
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,559
one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars.
So Top Rank one the bid.

757
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,960
But when you think about a two
million dollars plus bid for them to have

758
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:19,400
only one by fifteen thousand dollars,
that they very very small margin. And

759
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,360
here's the other thing. Match Room's
bid of two point you know, two

760
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:29,760
point one million was extremely aggressive because
they only get thirty percent of that money.

761
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,039
You know, what people don't realize
is that in purse bids, the

762
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:36,559
promoter who has the champion can go
with the champion. They can work out

763
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:38,719
a deal for a payment of what
their purse is going to be, and

764
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,519
that allows them to have some flexibility
the promoter, so they can bid enough

765
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,199
to make sure that that the challenger
comes to their promotion and does the fight.

766
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,719
So I don't know if better BF
has some kind of deal with Top

767
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,719
Rank under that circumstance. But the
point is, if you're the challengers promoter,

768
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,760
and you're bidding and you only have
thirty percent whatever you bid on in

769
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,480
terms of the number, you have
to give seventy percent of that money to

770
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:07,960
the champion. So Matroom was very
aggressive and they made a very strong bid

771
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:12,760
to win the win the bid,
But losing by fifteen thousand is pretty surprising

772
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,440
when when there was so much money
that was bid on the fight. But

773
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:17,360
end of the day, for what
boxing fans care about. Yes, it's

774
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,519
not the Bevo better BF fight,
I get it, believe me, but

775
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,599
it's probably like the next best fight
that they could do in the way class

776
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:29,320
I think, don't you think?
I mean better B has already defeated Joe

777
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,719
Smith. He just had a great
fight with Anthony Yard. You know,

778
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:36,920
better Bevo. We know why it's
not happening like It's not like there's a

779
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,760
thousand other great light heavyweights out there
from the fight. But Callan Smith is

780
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,079
certainly one of the better fighters in
that division. He's made some good fights.

781
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,199
You know he's gonna give a good
effort. His brother Liam Smith is

782
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,920
on a good run right now.
They're from the fighting family. So I

783
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,400
got no problem with this. I'm
glad it's happening top rank happened to be

784
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,320
the winner. I don't care who
the promoter is. So the only difference

785
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,679
to me is when I watch it, it will be on an ESPN platform.

786
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,360
And if it had been Matriom that
wanted I to watch it on a

787
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,920
Zone platform. And uh and again
from your reporting, more than likely to

788
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,840
fight in either Montreal or Quebec City. To your point about him being a

789
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,079
Montreal resident, that will go there
and have it. So it's not going

790
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:12,239
to be in the United States,
for example, I mean in the UK.

791
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,519
But a leader and better be of
has fought. He fought at Madison

792
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:17,519
Square Gardens Theater right when he beat
Joe Smith, and then he fought in

793
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:22,159
England when he fought Yard. He'll
now come back and fight in either Montreal

794
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,639
or Quebec City, depending on where
they work it out for later this summer.

795
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,199
So there you go. I mean
this this will be U you know

796
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:30,679
h it probably be in Montreal.
I mean they have until August. I

797
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,320
believe it's like August fourth or August
second or something that to put the fight

798
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,760
on. You know, if it's
shifted by like another week, the WBC

799
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,880
wouldn't really give them too many problems, but most likely you're looking at it

800
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,320
day in July gives Callum Smith and
better Be have plenty of time to get

801
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,280
ready. I mean we're here only
in the early part of May. They

802
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,960
got plenty of time to get prepared
for the fight. And it's a good

803
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,960
matchup. I mean it's h And
can you know Montreal is a good fight

804
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,440
city. I mean when they have
popular fighters and I'm better b have has

805
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,159
you know, been there for so
long? You know, he hasn't had

806
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:00,440
a kind of a hometown fight in
a while. I mean, I think

807
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:02,400
one title fight there, but most
of his other fights have been in the

808
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,239
United States. He did have one
fight, you know, a few years

809
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,440
ago in Russia, you know,
before all the Ukraine business started. Um,

810
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:13,000
but they turned out. I've covered
some fights in Canada and when John

811
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:15,760
Pascal was riding high as like the
king up there, his fights would draw

812
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,239
big crowds. When Lucian Boute was
super middleweight title holder, he drew huge

813
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,800
crowds at the Bell Center in Montreal. They were they were you know,

814
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,480
big deal events. H And I
suspect that if he's fighting, you know,

815
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:30,039
this is a very first class fight
between better B Evan and uh and

816
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,400
Callen Smith that they'll draw another good
crowd there and it'll be good TV.

817
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:37,519
And uh, you know it's a
good matchup. All right. Good enough

818
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:43,039
on those so plenty of news.
Let's get to some nostalgia and wrap it

819
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:45,519
up, shall we? As we
keep mentioning Cinco de Mayo Weekend has always

820
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:50,400
had tremendous fights, and you want
to go back to a couple of them

821
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,280
in the nostalgia that you were ringside
at for both, let's talk first.

822
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:59,840
You mentioned Joe Goosen about May seventh, two thousand and five and the phenomenal

823
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:06,440
Corals Castillo one, just a tremendous
battle. Pick it up from there on

824
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:09,000
a fight that was now eighteen years
ago. I don't even know where to

825
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:13,519
start when I talk about that fight, because I always I get emotion when

826
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:15,239
I talk about that fight. It's
like if you've ever seen like a movie

827
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,840
that made you cry, or a
play that made you cry, or some

828
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:24,119
type of event a play, a
concert, a film, something that brought

829
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:28,760
out some emotion in you. That
was that kind of fight when I was

830
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,280
there ringside Mandalay Bay. I will
never forget it. It is the greatest

831
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,280
fight I've ever covered, not even
close, and I've covered a lot of

832
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,719
great fights. It's, you know, arguably the greatest fight in boxing history.

833
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,920
It was obviously the fight of the
year in two thousand and five.

834
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,280
I think you can make the very
reasonable argument it's the fight of the decade

835
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,559
for the two thousand to two and
ten, two thousand and nine. It

836
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,119
is just And here's the thing about
it, TJ. Most people who remember

837
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:57,960
the fight remember the tenth round where
Chico Corrales gets knocked down twice, the

838
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:00,719
whole stuff with the mouthpiece coming out
and pulling it out and getting to put

839
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,920
back in a little controversy to for
good measure, but he's basically out first

840
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,800
knockdown. I'm sitting there and I
remember this as clear as fucking day.

841
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,960
The fight's over. I turned to
whoever I'm sitting next to. We're like,

842
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,159
okay, fight's over. He gets
up. Okay, it's it's not

843
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,559
over. It's not over. But
like you know what, five ten seconds

844
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:21,559
later, he gets knocked down again. Now you look again to the guy

845
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:23,199
next year, Yeah, now it's
definitely over. Fuck, it's not over.

846
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,480
He gets up again, At which
point you mentioned Joe Goosen, who

847
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:30,639
has the famous line that's caught on
the audio on the Showtime broadcast where they

848
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,039
bring, you know, Tony Weeks. The referee brings Chico to the corner

849
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,599
to have him replaced the mouthpiece,
and he prints his the mouthpiece. He

850
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:40,039
puts it back in, and he
looks at him and he literally just says,

851
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,559
you better fucking get inside on him
now. And of course Joe wearing

852
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:50,679
the nice Hawaiian shirt obviously, and
what happened is such a moment for what

853
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,400
happened right after that, absolutely in
Castillo got stopped. It was here's the

854
00:52:55,519 --> 00:53:01,360
thing. I can't really reiterate this
or presless and strong enough terms. Briar

855
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:07,119
to round ten, rounds one through
nine, it was already the greatest fight

856
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:09,519
in Showtime history. It was already
going to be the fight of the year,

857
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,440
It was already a fight of the
decade. It was already the greatest

858
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,920
fight I'd ever covered. It was
all of that rolled into one, and

859
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:22,199
then the tenth round happened and it
just went to like an entirely other level.

860
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:25,920
Now it's not only the greatest fight
you've ever seen or covered and the

861
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,840
most it's now like the most dramatic
thing you've ever fucking seen it is,

862
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:36,400
I think not just in boxing.
I think you can make a very strong

863
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:42,159
argument that it might be the greatest
comeback in sports history. The guy was

864
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:47,199
fucking out, he's done, He's
down twice in what had been an absolutely

865
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,360
savage, savage, savage, violent, fucking fight. He gets off the

866
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:58,159
deck twice, got a little controversy
with the mouthpiece for good measure, and

867
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,519
he stops him on his in a
devastating fashion. I mean, I can

868
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:07,960
tell you as clear as day,
eighteen years ago, what I was wearing,

869
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,199
where I was sitting, what I
was doing, and I'm gonna tell

870
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:14,280
you, and I think I've told
this story before. I will never forget

871
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,559
this. I was still writing for
USA today. There was more media at

872
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:21,239
that fight than normally would have been, and the reason was because the night

873
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,880
before that fight at the Mandalay Bay
was the annual Boxing Writer's Association of America

874
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,159
Awards dinner, and obviously I attended
that, and then a lot of us

875
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:31,480
that attended it. We covered the
fight, and as a matter of fact,

876
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,360
myself and a few others we stayed
for the entire week in Las Vegas

877
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,519
because the following Saturday, at the
MGM down the road from the Mandalay Bay

878
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,440
was the fight between Felix Trinidad and
Winky Wright. So I spent like ten

879
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:49,119
days in Vegas. But the thing
I remember, very, very, very

880
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:52,599
vividly is when the fight was over, you know, and you're just like,

881
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,400
you're so emotional. I was sweating
like a fucking crack addict when that

882
00:54:57,559 --> 00:54:59,599
fight winned it. I mean,
I can't even expressed to you. It

883
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:06,199
was I've done something I have never
done in my life before that or since

884
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,800
I was so emotionally spent from watching
that fight and I was part I was

885
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,079
along with Tim Smith, who at
the time worked for The Daily News in

886
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,079
New York, and our pal Dougie
Fisher, who now was the editor of

887
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:22,440
The Ring magazine, who at the
time was at max Boxing, one of

888
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:28,239
the early internet websites for boxing,
back before they had Steve Farhood doing their

889
00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:34,719
unofficial scoring showtimes production folks would select
people from the media and ask them if

890
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,639
they would be willing to contribute their
round by round scores to have like an

891
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,960
unofficial media panel of three people scoring
the fight. So for that particular fight,

892
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:45,360
Dougie, myself and Tim were the
three unofficial scorers score that fight,

893
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:50,760
and so I was paying even closer
attention than I would normally pay to the

894
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,800
fight. So when the fight ends, and I'm like, Okay, now

895
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,920
I got to write my story because
even though the USA Teddy didn't publish and

896
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,360
tell Monday, I was writing why
for the website on late late night Saturday

897
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,519
night. So you're you're on a
deadline. You got to get your shit

898
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:07,559
done. M I was so emotional
and so spent from watching what I saw,

899
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,880
like I had to, like I
felt like I was going to hyperventily,

900
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,599
like I had to like catch my
breath from it. And I was

901
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:15,760
so like emotional. I'm like thinking
to myself, how can I possibly write

902
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:21,800
this and do this fight justice in
the next like twenty minutes, Like you're

903
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,000
I'm thinking, I'm writing the first
draft of history of maybe the greatest fight

904
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:28,599
that has ever taken place, and
it's important because of what we do.

905
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,559
And you know that I'm a thirty
year veteran radio TV with the journalism a

906
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:35,760
greenhole and the whole bit. So
you need to understand this. As the

907
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:42,199
fight fans, you are thinking that
storyline is Castillo Castillo, Castillo Castillo Castillo

908
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,400
is one, and now suddenly it
has one eighty reversed in dramatic fashion,

909
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:50,840
and it's a whole different story.
And now you've gone through it as you're

910
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,079
mentioning, and now you've got to
rewrite the narrative that you would know.

911
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,599
I wasn't thinking that. I was
just thinking I just saw the greatest fucking

912
00:56:57,639 --> 00:57:00,960
fin I've ever seen with all the
drama that happened. So what I did

913
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:04,800
was and again, I've never done
this before this fight. I've never done

914
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,119
it since. I literally put my
pen down or what I was using my

915
00:57:08,199 --> 00:57:13,960
score book, I pushed my chair
away from the ringside table, and I

916
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:16,400
kind of just put my head in
my lap for like literally probably like a

917
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:22,039
good like two actual minutes, and
just took a couple of deep breaths to

918
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,079
kind of collect myself. How am
I going to do this? And you

919
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:29,440
take a deep breath, you know, normally when you see the end of

920
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:30,719
a fight, the general and kicks
in and you just start to write.

921
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:35,320
I've done it a million times,
and you'll learn how to write on deadline

922
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:38,000
and to produce a decent story,
you know, under that kind of duress

923
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:40,800
when everything's going crazy in the crowds
making noise and all that. It's not

924
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:45,639
the most conducive atmosphere too, thinking
clearly, but you you will learn how

925
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:47,599
to do it over the years,
and I have learned how to do it

926
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:52,519
over the years. On that particular
fight, I needed a couple of minutes

927
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:54,199
to collect myself because of what I
had just seen in front of me.

928
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,639
It was as unforgettable as anything I've
ever seen. Now fast forward a couple

929
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:00,920
of days. I mentioned to you
before, a bunch of us were staying

930
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,599
for the week to go also for
the following week to cover the Tito Trinidad

931
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:08,559
Winkie Right fight. So Gary Shaw, who was the promoter of Chico Corrals,

932
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,960
they were all staying obviously at the
Mandalaid Bay and then he was also

933
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:15,840
involved with Winky Wright as the promoter, so he was now going to be

934
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,360
over at the MGM. So I
want to say, like that Monday or

935
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:22,280
Tuesday before the whole Trinidad Winky fight
week really got started. I can't remember

936
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,960
it was on a Monday or the
Tuesday. But Gary who had one of

937
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:29,519
those big giant apartments in the MGM, beautiful plush apartments where they put every

938
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:31,039
you know, the big wigs up
for the week. You know, I'm

939
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:35,119
staying in my normal like little small
little room with the shitty water pressure.

940
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:39,679
Anyway, So Garry great Fields in
the typical one hundred and fifty square foot

941
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,360
hotel room with the bed in the
desk and me And meanwhile, Shaw is

942
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,280
in is in something that would have
like a president come and visit him,

943
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,079
right, like a two thousand foot
like a two thousand square foot apartment.

944
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,039
I mean, listen, first world
problems. I can't complain him an veg.

945
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,639
You know, you got what are
you gonna complain about? But anyway,

946
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,880
so he invites the the media guys
that had stayed for the week.

947
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:04,880
They cater like a lunch. They
got the big giant, you know,

948
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:07,920
huge HDTV and all that, and
they get a DVD of the fight,

949
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,079
and they invite us up to the
big suite in the in the apartment and

950
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:16,039
Chico Carralis, who says he hasn't
been out of bed since the fight because

951
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:19,800
he's so fucked up from the fight. When he walked in the room,

952
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,480
he still had the big giant red
spot in his eye from the damage from

953
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:27,679
the fight. And Chico and his
wife now his widow, Michelle Corrals.

954
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:30,239
They come in and the media guys, we sit down on these nice couches

955
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,719
and we watched the fight together and
Diego Corral is sitting in the middle of

956
00:59:34,719 --> 00:59:37,639
all of us. I'm sitting like
six feet away from him, and he's

957
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:40,119
giving us blow by blow of the
fight. It'd be like if you've got

958
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:45,920
a DV your favorite movie and you
put on the director commentary to listen to

959
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:49,639
the commentary about the film, except
the director's doing it live, sitting right

960
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:52,480
there with you, which is and
I wish to god that I had like

961
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:57,559
an audio or a video of that. It was absolutely incredible because he's telling

962
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:00,360
it to us from the point of
view as the guy that's taken the damage

963
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,159
and doing the damage. But if
you knew Chico Corrals, he was a

964
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,679
big, big boxing fan. He
just loved boxing as a fan also,

965
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:12,760
so he was into it like almost
like he was removed from what was happening,

966
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:15,920
watching it like a fan, but
then realizing, Okay, I'm the

967
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,480
one that's getting hit and I'm also
going out the punishment. So to hear

968
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:23,920
him describe blow by blow like a
commentary for the entire ten rounds and then

969
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,679
what he was thinking and how he
was feeling and all the stuff about the

970
01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:32,199
mouthpiece in the whole nine yards was
one of the more amazing experiences of my

971
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,159
career, and I think I could
say the same for the other handful of

972
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:38,519
guys that were there in the room
that we're able to watch him go through

973
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:43,000
that commentary about the fight. Now
fast forward a couple of days later,

974
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,199
It's the day of the press conference
for Winkie right in Feelix, Trinidad,

975
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:51,480
and the news comes down that from
a month earlier, James Toney has failed

976
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:55,480
a drug test for his heavyweight WBA
title fight against John Ruiz, which happened

977
01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:00,039
to be the very first boxing event
I covered when I left USA Today and

978
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:04,400
went to ESPN, So when I
covered Chico Corralis, I was that was

979
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,920
one of my first fights, one
of my early fights for ESPN, so

980
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,719
Friday Night Fights was still on ESPN
two at the time. They wanted to

981
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,239
do an interview with Diego Corralis to
talk about this great fight you just engaged

982
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,679
in, you know, seven days
earlier, but they also wanted to have

983
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,960
me as the reporter, do a
report about James Tony's failed drug test.

984
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:28,360
As another one of their aspects of
the studio portion of the show. They

985
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,800
only had one crew in Las Vegas. On the producer and he says,

986
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,280
listen, here's what we'd like to
do. We're doing this talk back with

987
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,280
Diego Carlis about the Castillo fight,
and we'd like you to do this report.

988
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,400
Do you think you could go to
Corralis's house so we can have our

989
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,800
crew in one location, we can
do our interview with Diego, and then

990
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,519
we can come to you when we
can do the report. So I said,

991
01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:50,400
I can. I can try to
work that out. So I called

992
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,119
up Michelle Coralis, which was Diego's
wife, and I explained to her what

993
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:54,480
was going on. She said,
no problem, come on over. So

994
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,159
she gave me the address. I
got the you know, a taxi,

995
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:00,760
and I went out to Diego's house
and that the production folks were there setting

996
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,639
all the stuff up. And it
takes a while when you want to set

997
01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:06,880
up these live shots. It's not
as easy as it looks. The bottom

998
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,280
line was I spent like five hours
hanging out with Diego Corralis, like six

999
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,519
days after the fight. He's still
all fucked up with the eye and he's

1000
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:17,280
still in pain and taking medication and
the whole thing. But you know,

1001
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:22,639
they his mother in laws and making
lunch for the crew, and Chico takes

1002
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:25,039
me upstairs. He's got this beautiful
little mini mansion in a nice area outside

1003
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:30,360
of Las Vegas. He shows me
all of his amateur trophies and we watched

1004
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,599
some of the I saw a couple
of videos of him as an amateur fighter.

1005
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,119
And we sit down and we're watching. And by the way, HD

1006
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,639
television is sort of still a new
thing at this time, right, I'd

1007
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:43,519
never really watched HDTV except when we
watched the replay in the in the Gary

1008
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:46,880
Shop two thousand and five. It's
very it's very prayer. Not a whole

1009
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:51,320
lot of people had it, right. So we're sitting in Diego's like trophy

1010
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,280
room and he's got the TV on
and he's like, have you ever watched

1011
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,880
HD television? I'm like, you
know, maybe a couple of times,

1012
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,400
but not really. He's like,
I want to show you this. So

1013
01:02:58,519 --> 01:03:00,920
he's like, there's a basketball game. So he's like, here's what it

1014
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,320
looks like in HD, and he
switches over to SD and you can obviously

1015
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,000
tell how much greater the picture is
in high definition. So the point here

1016
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:09,679
is this, he goes and I
love what. I'll never forget this.

1017
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,920
It's like it brings in my ears
to this day, the glee in which

1018
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:19,000
he said this, and the smile
on his face. The greatest thing about

1019
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:22,719
watching stuff in HD is when you
watch boxing, you can see every drop

1020
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,880
of blood. I'll never forget that. And it was like that was just

1021
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:29,599
the type of guy he was.
He loved the sport, but he was

1022
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:31,920
you know, he wanted to be
in great fights. If you ever knew

1023
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,440
him, he always talked about I
want to be in great fights. Like

1024
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:42,079
his team was, come hell or
high water, I'm gonna do what I

1025
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:45,440
can to win that fight. And
and the coda, the ps if you

1026
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:50,000
will, off of this incredible battle
that he had a couple of things.

1027
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:53,519
He was never the same after that
fight. He and then he died in

1028
01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:59,000
a motorcycle accident because he was under
the influence. Two years later to the

1029
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:02,280
day. That spooky, unreal,
I mean, you want to talk about

1030
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,280
And it happens that the day that
he died May seventh is also my mother's

1031
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:09,199
birthday, which is also the anniversary
of the fight. But the fact that

1032
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,119
he engaged in that kind of battle. You know, most people would break

1033
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:16,400
them to be in that kind of
fight. He cooked joy and glee and

1034
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:19,880
being that level of violent fight.
It was the last win of his career.

1035
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:26,519
He came back and had the third
fight with Castillo. He got or

1036
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,960
i should say the second fight.
The third fight never ended up happening.

1037
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,360
He got knocked out in the fourth
round when Castillo was dramatically overweight. He

1038
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,119
then lost a split decision to Joel
cassibody or in their third fight. Then

1039
01:04:36,159 --> 01:04:40,079
he went to welterweight in the early
part of OZ seven and he got his

1040
01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:43,480
ass kicked by Joshua Cloudie, who
was still at the top of his game

1041
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,519
at that time. And you know, his career was pretty much at the

1042
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,760
coming to an end, and very
sadly, you know, he died only

1043
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:54,440
about a month after that that fight
against Cloudie in a motorcycle wreck. And

1044
01:04:54,519 --> 01:04:58,159
the fact that had happened on the
same day as that fight is just amazing

1045
01:04:58,159 --> 01:05:00,639
to me. And the fact that
that fight is eighteen years go, you

1046
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:03,360
know, is mind bobbling. I
I have said this number of times.

1047
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:10,440
I've broached the topic with Steven Espinosa
as showtime. If there's ever a fight

1048
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:16,320
that needs a documentary treatment of some
kind of the Diego keralis Jose Luis Castillo

1049
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,679
one needs that. Now. Obviously
Diego is not here and he cannot be

1050
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,119
a part of that. But Castillo
was here, Gary Shaw is here.

1051
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:29,840
Journalists like myself who covered it are
here, the announcers are here, Diego's

1052
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:34,159
widow, yeah, Joe Goosen this
here. The point is there's a lot

1053
01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:38,079
of people that were around, that
were at that fight that could speak to

1054
01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:42,079
it, and it would be it's
the greatest fight in showtime history. They

1055
01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:46,039
should spend some time honoring the greatest
fight that they ever broadcast. And if

1056
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:48,440
you think about it, the fight
was in two thousand and five. That

1057
01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:53,679
means in two years will be the
twentieth anniversary of that incredible fight. And

1058
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:57,920
I will tell you I probably washed
that fight about, you know, three

1059
01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:00,559
or four times a year. It's
it's a remarkable fight. If you've never

1060
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:03,039
seen it, you know you're doing
yourself at the service off you're a boxing

1061
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:06,840
fan. It is a glorious,
glorious fight. And by the way,

1062
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,559
it wasn't just in any old fight. It was a lightweight tibal unification.

1063
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,199
The winner of that fight was going
to be known as the number one lightweight

1064
01:06:14,239 --> 01:06:16,559
in the world, clearly, not
even a shadow with doubt about it.

1065
01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:20,039
And Odieva Cross won and you know, it may have been his last win,

1066
01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:24,239
but for that brief time, he
was on top of the world as

1067
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:28,440
the greatest lightweight in the world at
that moment. All right, great stuff

1068
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:31,519
there, and we've got one more
anniversary. So that anniversary is coming this

1069
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:35,360
weekend on Sunday to seventh. Sinco
Delmayo, as we released the podcast,

1070
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:40,559
has had great fights, but on
the actual May fifth date, two thousand

1071
01:06:40,599 --> 01:06:44,039
and seven, is Floyd Mayweather Oscar
Day. La Joya. You were there

1072
01:06:44,119 --> 01:06:48,519
for that one. It's fair to
say Mayweather's biggest win to date in his

1073
01:06:48,679 --> 01:06:53,079
career was that night. And I
still vividly remember you were there. So

1074
01:06:53,239 --> 01:06:56,239
you're going to speak to it more. Him with the sombrero on, with

1075
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,920
the Mexican flag, mocking trunks on. Floyd Mayweather a fight Oscar, and

1076
01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:03,280
then he backed it up. He
outfought him and he beat him. And

1077
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,159
I don't want to accept that that
was sixteen years ago, but that was

1078
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:11,039
sixteen years ago. Well, I'll
say this about that fight. It was

1079
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:14,039
Floyd's biggest win up to that point, but I think obviously the Pack Yo

1080
01:07:14,159 --> 01:07:16,719
fight when Trump that down the road. But it was a big win for

1081
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,360
Floyd. But the thing about it
was he was moving up. He won

1082
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,920
another yet. You know, he
had started his career as a champion at

1083
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,119
one hundred and thirty pounds and where
he won his first title. He'd won

1084
01:07:26,239 --> 01:07:29,360
the title had one hundred thirty five
against Caspio, who we just spoke about.

1085
01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:32,079
He won a title out one hundred
forty when he defeated zab Judah I'm

1086
01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:36,039
tom sorry, when he defeated Arto
Gaddi. He then won a world title

1087
01:07:36,119 --> 01:07:40,880
at welterweight when he defeated zab Judah. Now he's moving up and he's fighting

1088
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:45,519
Oscar for the WBC's junior middleweight title, which he had won in his previous

1089
01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:53,199
fight or in a great performance against
Ricardo Mayorga, and this was at before

1090
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:57,880
Mayweather pack Yow. The biggest fights
I can think of in the time I

1091
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,800
have been around covering boxing since two
thousand, you know, there's usually like

1092
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,920
one gargantuan fight like per decade,
let's say, so early on it was

1093
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:10,599
Lennox Lewis against Mike Tyson. The
next biggest fight after Lewis Tyson, which

1094
01:08:10,639 --> 01:08:15,320
set the records for pay per view
and revenue and all that, was Oscar

1095
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,399
dal La Joya versus Floyd Mayweather.
At the time, it was the all

1096
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,800
time pay per view record. It
was the first fight to exceed two million

1097
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,600
pay per views. Off the top
of my head, the fight generated over

1098
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,359
one hundred and fifty million dollars and
grows, both in terms of pay per

1099
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,960
view and revenue of the gate and
all the other stuff that goes into the

1100
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:35,439
total pot. It was as big
of a fight as there was. It

1101
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:40,920
was the front cover of Sports Illustrated. It was on mainstream news channels,

1102
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:45,279
on mainstream publications. You know,
it was covered by everybody. Now.

1103
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:48,239
It always irritating me that they called
it. At that time, we just

1104
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:53,239
finished with all this nonsense with Tank
Davis and Ryan Garcia at the time the

1105
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:56,359
fight to save boxing, which was
bullshit, but it was a catchy catchphrase.

1106
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:59,319
I guess Sports Illustrated put that on
their cover, which always pissed me

1107
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:02,399
off, and where we just talked
about the greatest fight I ever covered in

1108
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,640
Karrals and Castillo Deloya Mayweather. It
wasn't like a bad fight or anything.

1109
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,640
It didn't live up to the hype
in terms of being a great fight.

1110
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,560
But was in Floyd. That was
not the style that he fought in.

1111
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,119
He was if he was in a
great, great fight, it was probably

1112
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:15,920
bad for Floyd. Floyd was a
great defensive fighter and you know, was

1113
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,359
always on his game in that sense. Oscar de Loyd did really, really

1114
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:23,359
well in that fight. For the
first half, he was winning that fight.

1115
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,600
In the first half, he was
dominating Floyd in any regards with his

1116
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,479
jeb and then he forgot about it
for the next half of the fight,

1117
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,279
and Floyd ended up winning, you
know, a competitive, a close decision.

1118
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:36,119
Officially they called it a split decision. I didn't think that was necessarily

1119
01:09:36,199 --> 01:09:40,600
appropriate. But Floyd won. It
was the biggest fight of his career.

1120
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,319
He took the short end of the
stick and the money and all the different

1121
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,840
things, and he never forgot that. So when he got to be the

1122
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,840
guy that could dictate to his opponents, he took the deal la joya route

1123
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:54,520
and he dictated hard to his opponents. But that was a megafight, two

1124
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,920
million plus pay per view. The
atmosphere in Las Vegas, TJ was all

1125
01:09:58,319 --> 01:10:03,039
ridiculous that week, every movie star, every sports star, I mean you

1126
01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:06,199
that, you know, the hookers
came from all fifty states. To me,

1127
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,640
it was this is what you get
on the podcast. Lines like that

1128
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,039
from Raphael. I love that there's
one of the lines. And by the

1129
01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:18,439
way, there was no team mobile
arena, so everything was at the end.

1130
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,560
Did you okay, okay, but
take me to the ring walk?

1131
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,640
Did you have any knowledge? Did
anybody have any knowledge that he was going

1132
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:30,159
to come out Floyd with the sombre
and the Mexican flag trunks, because that's

1133
01:10:30,199 --> 01:10:33,960
all time pro wrestling heel or bad
guy move, that's phenomenal. So nobody

1134
01:10:34,039 --> 01:10:38,680
really knew that. And so your
reaction when you saw that because I cracked

1135
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:43,319
up. I cracked up, and
I went, now there is there is

1136
01:10:43,399 --> 01:10:46,560
an in your face. I am
a heel. Bring it on moment,

1137
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,199
bring the heel, bring the heat
from the crowd, bring it all on

1138
01:10:50,359 --> 01:10:54,000
me. I want it all on
me, and I will still beat Oscar

1139
01:10:54,039 --> 01:10:57,760
Dalahya. Maybe I'm wrong about this, and I'm sure are a stute listeners

1140
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,159
could attest to this. I want
to say that his uncle Roger, when

1141
01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:03,399
he was a professional, had done
the same thing when he fought one of

1142
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,800
the many Mexican opponents that he fought. I don't know about the trunks,

1143
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:12,119
but he frequently he was known for
a while by the nickname the Mexican Assassins,

1144
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,439
and he would wear the sombrero.
Right, I think I put the

1145
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,880
Mexican flag colors on your trunks and
the sobrero to fight Dal la Joya and

1146
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:23,680
Sicco de Mayo. I'm just thinking, and then there's that. I'm just

1147
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:28,039
thinking that Floyd got maybe the idea
of them Roger, who was obviously Floyd's

1148
01:11:28,079 --> 01:11:32,479
long time trainer. But the thing
that I remember about that fight was was

1149
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,039
the way In. Now, I've
been to a lot of way Ins,

1150
01:11:35,079 --> 01:11:41,000
but this was to my recollection.
They had opened up the arena and brought

1151
01:11:41,119 --> 01:11:44,520
in many It was not the entire
arena like they started to do later with

1152
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,199
bigger with other bigger fights like Mayweather
pac Aw and Canello Mayweather, but they

1153
01:11:48,319 --> 01:11:51,039
used to open up like half of
the MGM and the ring was being built

1154
01:11:51,079 --> 01:11:55,720
behind the curtain and they packed it
in. But the thing about the way

1155
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,439
In that I found so memorable.
I was at ESPN at the time,

1156
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,800
and not was I writing stories,
but I was also a Sports Center correspondent

1157
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,319
for those bigger fights, and we
worked and we did you know hits,

1158
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,279
you know, all through the week
on the different I remember watching you before

1159
01:12:10,319 --> 01:12:13,760
and after that night, and here
we are sitting together sixteen years later.

1160
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,720
Keep going. So here's what I
remember about that. So I'm on the

1161
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,800
stage for the way in like not
in the front and center, but I'm

1162
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:25,079
going to have to do a report
lie for Sports Center, basically right when

1163
01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:27,920
they get off the scales. So
what I can remember about it, and

1164
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,800
it was just amazing. It's still
like I can still sort of picture to

1165
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,800
my mind standing there on the stage
as the guys are getting off the scale

1166
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:38,680
to pose for the cameras and the
flash and I'm watching and I'm looking out

1167
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:44,800
at the crowd and the flashbulbs and
the phones were just going crazy, and

1168
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,239
like I had like stars on my
eyes because it was so bright and you're

1169
01:12:47,279 --> 01:12:50,199
inside of the lights run. But
I just remember thinking, like, holy

1170
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:55,960
shit, there's all these people and
the just it felt like the lights and

1171
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,159
the flashes just wouldn't stop. I
mean, there's probably a few seconds,

1172
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:01,800
but it felt like an that the
flashbubs are going on, and it sort

1173
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,640
of hit me like, this is
a big, big fight. I mean

1174
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,600
I knew that. And the other
thing about the fight, by the way,

1175
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,479
that helped make it into the monster
that it was in terms of what

1176
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,199
it generated. That was the first
fight where HBO did twenty four seven.

1177
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,760
Now twenty four seven kind of it
got to a point later on where it

1178
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,680
was sort of played out like how
many times can you watch Manny Packet run

1179
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:25,319
the mountains with the dog? It
kind of got boring at All and All

1180
01:13:25,399 --> 01:13:29,079
Access on Showtime, which you know, basically tried to copy that format.

1181
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:30,640
They do a nice job with it, but they don't. It's usually only

1182
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,439
one episode, maybe two. If
they do an extra one, it's after

1183
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:38,479
the fight with the epilogue. But
twenty four seven was real time in camp,

1184
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:42,159
like real shit. Not like it
wasn't nearly as superficial as some of

1185
01:13:42,199 --> 01:13:45,119
the other build up shows, at
least in the early goings of twenty four

1186
01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:48,960
seven. It became a little more
superficial later, But those early series that

1187
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:54,159
they did, they would show it
on a Sunday night back when HBO was

1188
01:13:54,199 --> 01:13:57,560
the powerhouse, and they would put
it on like between you know, before

1189
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,359
Sex in the City, like after
sopranos. I mean you would like they

1190
01:14:00,399 --> 01:14:04,439
would have episodes of twenty four seven
that would do a bigger audience than a

1191
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,960
live boxing match. Yeah, And
so it became a huge thing, and

1192
01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:11,439
it was a lot of that was
because of Floyd with them, and they

1193
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:15,760
were running it like for three weeks. You'd get three episodes to build a

1194
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,399
four four to build up to the
weekend of the fight. That's your point,

1195
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:24,720
and that helped with building the audience
and not everybody. It not only

1196
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,479
did it get everybody pumped up for
the fight, it brought the promotion to

1197
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,560
like a fever pitch. Now again
I'm not knocking other build up shows.

1198
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,640
I'm not knocking All Access, but
or even the later twenty four sevens,

1199
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:38,439
the early twenty four sevens and day
La Joya Mayweather being the first one.

1200
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,359
You would watch it as a journalist. You would watch it on Sunday night

1201
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,079
and there would be news made in
the show, and you would write a

1202
01:14:45,119 --> 01:14:49,439
story because they revealed something on the
show from the camp or from the build

1203
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:53,640
up from the press tour that you
didn't know about that was newsworthy. Like

1204
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,239
again, the later series and All
Access, they don't really come up with

1205
01:14:57,279 --> 01:15:00,239
things that are newsworthy anymore because it's
very, very much more control. HBO

1206
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:03,439
had a little bit more free reign
in the camp back in those early days

1207
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,600
of that show, and that's why
it won a ton of you know,

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Emmy Awards and had the great theme
music and that would just made you,

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you know, just want to you
know, you know, pound your chest.

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You were so excited about it.
But they broke news and it helped

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make that fight into a monster and
Oscar and Floyd is, without question,

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at least in my time of doing
this, in that top you know four

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or five events that I ever covered, just in terms of the sheer,

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excitement and magnitude and mainstream exposure the
fight had. It didn't turn out to

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be a great fight, but it
was a good fight and it was a

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huge win for Floyd. It really
he went from doing you know, the

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three hundred thousand type numbers on pay
per view like he had done with like

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Carlos Baldimere and against zab Judah and
against our Taro Gaddi and now after Oscar

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the Rainmaker, now he is a
million pay per view plus every time out.

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Basically Oscar's fight with Pack, you'll
put pack. You went to that

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strame, same stratus here. I
liken it too. If you're a superstar

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in wrestling, and you know you
take on the younger guy and that guy

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wins, you put him over.
Oscar put Floyd over. Oscar put Pakyo

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over. And for all the animosity
that there's always been between Floyd and Oscar,

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not really between Oscar and Pacyo,
but Floyd Mayweather should he should be

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respectful and thankful because Oscar put him
over and helped him make the probably close

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to a billion dollars that he's earned
in all those years since. And all

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of that was May the fifth,
as we released a podcast of two thousand

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and seven Cinco de Mayo two thousand
and seven, go look that one up

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to man. We have had a
full show, and of course Floyd obviously

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fought Cannelo Alvarez and that's one of
Canelo's two losses early early in his career

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as well. So it ties back
to Canelo who's in action on Saturday.

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We remind you again as we wrap
up on this podcast, whatever happens with

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this weekend, and that includes the
undercard that includes obviously also there's a British

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fight card with Joshua Buatzi in action
as a light heavyweight in the feature.

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Whatever happens, we'll be back to
recap it all on the Fight Freaks Unite

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Recap podcast Sunday night into Monday morning. We also remind you be with us

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on the bet Us Boxing Show as
you hear us now releasing on Friday live

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Friday one Eastern time. Be with
us for predictions inside an analysis on these

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fights in Mexico, in particular,
bet Us Platforms, YouTube, etc.

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Will be there for that. And
with that, Brother Raphael, I think

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that's a preview for this weekend.
Excellent stuff here from you. Let's see

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what happens with Canello against England,
John Rider and everything else this weekend.

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And with that, I think we're
good, my friend, We're good.

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Hope everybody enjoys the fights this weekend
should be a lot of fun. Thank

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you also to the Latin snake Sergio
Moral with us. He's on the call

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with Todd Grisham and Chris Mannix of
the de Zone broadcast of Canelo and Writer.

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We thank you for finding us as
well. Again, great content on

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the podcast feed. You heard this
week from Canelo Alvarez one on one with

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Dan, the special exclusive with Joe
Goosen with Dan as well. If you're

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following or subscribing to The Big Fight, we can podcast feed you get this

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content on Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, or Spotify. For now, we

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are good. Read the site Big
Fight Weekend dot com. Let's see what

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happens for Canelo and writer for Dan, Raphael I'm tja. Read We'll talk

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to you after it's over. On
the Fight Preach Unite recap. For now,

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you've been hearing the preview the Big
Fight Weekend Preview podcast and we're good

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for now with Canelo and Ryder coming
up. By