WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:10.199 The following presentation is NOL Marvis Studio's production. You're listening to the Fact Hunter 2 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:17.440 Radio Network. Here is your host, George Hobbs. Welcome back truth seekers 3 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:21.760 from around the world. It's time for a very special edition of the Flat 4 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:28.199 Earth Files. The long awaited debate between Pastor Dean Odle and Pastor Greg Locke 5 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:33.240 from Mount Juliet, Tennessee was one for the ages. You know, I 6 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:37.280 really thought it was going to be controlled well, you know, lay down 7 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:40.920 the ground rules. One person speak for X amount of time, like an 8 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:43.960 hour, and then the others speak for an hour, and then each get 9 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:49.119 a chance to rebuttal shake hands, praise God, and move on, folks. 10 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:54.840 It couldn't have been anything further from that. The first hour, Pastor 11 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:58.479 Odele did ask on at least two, maybe three occasions if he could just 12 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:03.359 get to his our point presentation and his thing. But Pastor Luck seemed to 13 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:11.359 be instigating things very very interesting. It did kickoff right at seven pm. 14 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:14.280 They had about thirty minutes of musical worship prior to it, but the actual 15 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:19.400 event did kickoff right on time seven pm Eastern six Pacific. The stream maxed 16 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:23.560 out and just on the one stream between three thousand and thirty five hundred people. 17 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:29.079 And while that may not seem like a lot for a live stream of 18 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:32.599 this sort on a Saturday night, was pretty impressive. A lot of people 19 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:34.680 were watching Flat Earth. Dave was in the chat, I was in the 20 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:38.719 chat. Zulu one was in the chat. A lot of people were there, 21 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:42.599 and again for Saturday night, that's a very good number. So a 22 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:51.239 recap hour one was a little disappointing. And I'm not blaming anyone really, 23 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:53.879 it was just I think they read one Bible verse in the entire hour, 24 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:59.480 and it was supposed to be entirely based pretty much on you know, biblical 25 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:04.280 cosmology. Obviously, you're at a worship, a place of worship, so 26 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.840 it should certainly be based on that. And again Pastor Odel, in all 27 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:12.919 his defense, he was very composed and he was a guest of Pastor Locks. 28 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:17.800 I don't think Pastor Elect did a great job whatsoever of being a host. 29 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:23.719 The crowd was very divisive, which was a little weird. Now, 30 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:30.319 for some reason, there was a lot of security. Now maybe it's normal 31 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:35.800 for this church, but they had a lot of security and tactical vests with 32 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:42.080 a lot of mags of ammunition. And at the end, when things got 33 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:45.719 a little testy, and I will tell you not to spoil the ending, 34 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:52.120 things got very, very divisive, and it ended very abruptly, very abruptly, 35 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:58.000 and then these guys walked up on stage, just a really weird scene. 36 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:01.759 But we're gonna let I did the entire four hours in like fifteen minutes, 37 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:07.280 in its entirety, so I will let you listen to everything if you 38 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:10.560 want to skip through. Hour one is a back and forth debate. From 39 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:15.400 hour number two. For about the next ninety minutes, it's pastor Pastor Dean 40 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:20.400 Odle, and he did a great job of laying things out. And then 41 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:24.400 about the next hour or so, it was Pastor Lock, and he was 42 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:31.080 a bit rude. It seemed like a little bit of name calling, and 43 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:38.120 he didn't really provide a whole lot of biblical, you know, terminology like 44 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:45.439 he promised he would, a lot of rhetoric, and he was louder. 45 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:49.280 And I pointed this out to one of my listeners, just because you're louder 46 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:53.439 doesn't mean you're you're right, You're just louder. And then again, right 47 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.960 about the top of hour four, things got really testy and about ten minutes 48 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:01.199 after that it was over, and it ended very very very abruptly. I 49 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:05.919 did try to cite most of the verses, and I'll have episode ninety five 50 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:12.360 in the show description where we interviewed Pastor Odle, and I'll have Pastor Danodle's 51 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.520 information in the show description, and I will have all the Bible verses that 52 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:17.319 were quoted that I was able to get listen. It was four hours and 53 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:20.800 fifteen minutes. I was in and out of here. You know, I 54 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:25.560 couldn't sit in one place for four hours and fifteen minutes. But I think 55 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:30.160 I got most of everything sited. So again, I would love to hear 56 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:35.800 everybody's thoughts on this, whether you listen to it live, watched it on 57 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:40.879 YouTube, or you listen to it here on the flat Earth Files. And 58 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:44.360 again I'd love to hear your thoughts, and you can do so by sending 59 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:49.120 us an email to the flat Earthfiles at gmail dot com. And without any 60 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:55.399 further ado, here is the Great flat Earth Debate with Pastor Danodle and Pastor 61 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:59.120 Greg Lock, Great Creation Debate. Who are honored that you are here. 62 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:02.920 Thank you so much for being in our house tonight, the House of the 63 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.959 Lord. Here at Global Vision. We honor you for your presence. You 64 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:09.759 can be seated all over the house. I'm going to give you just a 65 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:15.199 couple of kind of some schematics and schedule and ground rules a little bit, 66 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:19.639 if you will, for tonight's discussion and lively debate. It's going to be 67 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:25.920 super exciting. I know obviously that not just some of our church folk are 68 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:29.040 here, but a lot of other churches and other church folk are here. 69 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:30.920 And then some non church folk are here as well, And that's okay. 70 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:35.040 I'm just glad that everybody is in the house tonight. Amen, I'm honored 71 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:39.480 that you're here. We have people outside that aren't happy to be here. 72 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:42.800 I'm not sure why they showed up, but they're here nonetheless, and I 73 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:48.920 promise everyone will be well protected and respected tonight in this discussion and in this 74 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:53.720 debate. So I want to say just a word before I bring up my 75 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:57.959 friend, and I do mean my friend. Many of you don't know anything 76 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:00.360 about the context of our church. I know you're you're finding bathrooms and we're 77 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.920 pretty high tech, redneck around here. We've been in tent church for four 78 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:06.839 years and so a lot of people aren't used to that as it gets a 79 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:11.519 little cooler, we'll crank on the heaters and we'll get things to a comfortable 80 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:15.879 level for you in the house. But let me just say this, not 81 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:20.279 everybody's here for a flat spherical Earth debate, right, Some people are here. 82 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:25.040 Maybe maybe you're searching, you know, maybe your mind's already made up, 83 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.480 or for some of you, maybe you're here for the wrong reason. 84 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:29.439 Let me just say this, If you're here for the wrong reason, would 85 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:31.800 you please let everyone else enjoy what's going to happen tonight in the house. 86 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:38.199 We would appreciate that very very much as Christians, and I have to talk 87 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.639 from a Christian perspective because I'm a Christian and I'm a pastor, and I 88 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:44.959 know not everybody in the room is a Christian, nor am I forcing that 89 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:47.240 upon you. We'll both preach the Gospel tonight. We're gospel preachers. We're 90 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:50.439 not heretics. We believe that Jesus is not a way, but the one 91 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:54.360 and only way to the Kingdom of God. We believe that in this room. 92 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:57.160 Okay, now, there are some things that we are world's apart. 93 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:00.759 On world's apart. There are the things that we're a world's part there is 94 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.000 no doubt, and we'll discuss those things. But listen to me very close. 95 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:05.560 We have a lot of live stream cameras going, including all of our 96 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:10.120 platforms, many other platforms, pastor Dean's platform, and so there's a lot 97 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.319 going on. There's a lot of working parts tonight. Right, We've got 98 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:15.399 security, we got all of that. We don't want to have to quiet 99 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:17.000 anybody down. Okay, we don't want to have to, you know, 100 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:23.439 drag anybody out, and so let's just all be friends and family. Listen. 101 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:27.800 The worst thing about this culture, one of really the top three worst 102 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:32.839 things about this culture, is we think that disagreement is automatic discrimination. We 103 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:36.959 can disagree and be okay about some things, right at the end of the 104 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:41.839 day, God's right right, God's right. I'm not right. He's not 105 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.279 right, You're not right. They're not right. It's not us in them. 106 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:47.720 And so listen very very closely. I'm gonna talk. And our people 107 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:53.240 know I cry as much as I preach sometimes, so it's a weird context 108 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.360 to cry in. But let me just share something with you from my heart 109 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.240 that I think is important. And we're gonna get started and we're really gonna 110 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:01.240 have a good time tonight, I get lively, might get a little dicey, 111 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.959 but it's gonna be fun, right, It's gonna be fun. We're 112 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:07.480 gonna let the Word of God do its work. And we're coming tonight from 113 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:11.240 a strictly Christian perspective. But listen to me. As much as in this 114 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:18.319 room there are great levels of varying degrees of disagreement, understand that at the 115 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:24.959 end of the day, we want to leave being friends, being Christians, 116 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:31.120 being somewhat unified as we can. We will, as believers attack perhaps ideas 117 00:08:31.840 --> 00:08:37.440 and ideologies, but we're not going to tolerate attacking people and attacking individuals. 118 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:39.639 Okay, he's not here to attack me, and I'm not here to attack 119 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:46.360 him. Now, both of us have very demonstrative personalities, and so both 120 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:50.279 of us will have to harness ourselves a little bit. And that's okay, 121 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.360 and that's just part of who we are. That's why God made us, 122 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.840 and perhaps that's the reason that God of the universe put us up here on 123 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:01.360 this platform and maybe not some others. Because we know when we can really 124 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:03.279 mash the gas, and as the young people say, go ham, and 125 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:07.879 we know maybe when we need to dial things back a little bit. So 126 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:13.039 the context for why we're here tonight is it's not that I didn't know what 127 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:16.799 he believed about the Earth and he didn't know what I believed about the Earth. 128 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:20.240 We've been friends for a while, and I preached for him at the 129 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:24.000 Skyfall conference and had a wonderful time. I was there to preach on deliverance. 130 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.600 I wasn't there to preach on cosmology, nor did he ask me to 131 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:31.519 write, and so we knew where each other was. But however long ago 132 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:33.480 it's been now it seems like months, but I guess really only a little 133 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:39.879 more than a month. I had my now famous rant in a Sunday morning 134 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.279 message for about twelve to fifteen minutes. Because you have to understand, as 135 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.320 a local church pastor, there was just a lot of division that began to 136 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.120 creep in in various ways and various people, and I thought, you know 137 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.440 what, I'm just gonna kind of nip this. Now. I'm a guy 138 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.759 that just kind of gets up and says what I feel pastorally needs to be 139 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:01.720 said. But here's what I under and anticipate it, right, I under 140 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:09.000 anticipate it on both sides, just how passionate people are in many ways about 141 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:15.200 this issue. And so I really picked a scab inadvertently and found out very 142 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:18.799 quickly that there are people on both sides that don't just have a little bit 143 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:22.080 of belief, but a lot of belief right, and a lot of passion 144 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.600 behind those beliefs. And so all of that being said, all things being 145 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:31.240 equal, tonight we are not going to, as the old timers say, 146 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:35.639 fix room overnight. Okay, I'm not going to spend the entirety of my 147 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.840 time trying to convince you of my position nor he is. What we're trying 148 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:43.000 to do tonight is draw some simple conclusions from the Word of God and say, 149 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:46.840 what is the Lord really saying? And for those of you who aren't 150 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:50.840 Christians, I want you to understand that tonight you're going to find out both 151 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:56.440 from this Man of God and from myself and from the Bible, regardless of 152 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:00.320 where we are cosmologically, you're going to find out that they're there is a 153 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:03.559 God in heaven that loves you deeply, and Jesus Christ died for you. 154 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:07.639 He wants you to be saved. There is only one gospel, and it 155 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:11.240 is the Death, the Burial, and the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. And 156 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:16.480 because we don't serve some dead Jew in a Palestinian tune, we serve a 157 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.960 risen savior. You can have freedom and liberty and victory tonight we can at 158 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:30.200 least agree on that would just shout Amen in the house. So as our 159 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.919 folks are getting everything prepared, make sure we have Pastor Dean's mike and everything 160 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:35.360 he's going to need. Here, here's how things are gonna flow tonight. 161 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:41.440 I told him, listen, we had a gifts debate a year or two 162 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:43.000 ago, a couple of years ago, kind of a deliverance debate, and 163 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.480 we had a guide. He was super stiff, you know, and he 164 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:48.360 just managed the time. And I said, you know what, I don't 165 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.120 want us to have that divisiveness and be like, oh my goodness, we 166 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.120 only got one minute left. I said, I really want to make this 167 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:56.000 a debate but also a discussion. And so here's what we're gonna do. 168 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.399 In a moment. When I bring Pastor Dan to the platform, we're gonna 169 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:01.840 sit down and he's comfy chairs, and we're really just going to have a 170 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:05.919 bit of a discussion. Right, We're gonna open ended, just bare bones. 171 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.759 He'll be be honest, ask a few questions at each other. I 172 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:13.360 want you to get to know his mindset and the inner workings of how he 173 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:18.759 was led into this theological position as well as myself. And then after just 174 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:20.759 a little bit kind of get to know you, Tom, then we are 175 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:26.120 going to allow him to go into his time, and he will take the 176 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.639 time that he needs. I know he'll have some things hooked up through the 177 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.240 you know, the screens and the HDMI cables and all of that, and 178 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:35.679 so he'll have full control over all of that. Once he does that, 179 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:37.639 then I will get up and it won't be rebuttal time. I'll then get 180 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:43.840 up and give my biblical arguments from my vantage point. And then while each 181 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:46.480 of us are speaking, we'll be jotting some things down. You know, 182 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:50.320 perhaps maybe here's a question, or maybe here's a contradiction or something that didn't 183 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:52.279 quite sound right, and we can write that down. So then after I 184 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:58.279 get through with my discussion, he can then get up and give a rebuttal 185 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.879 to what I said. And then I'll get up after that and give a 186 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:03.159 rebuttal to some of the things that wrote down what he said. And the 187 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:07.320 only way to keep us from going back to back over and over again and 188 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:09.679 making things boring and mundane is to split it up that way, all right. 189 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:13.600 So again we're not gonna answer everybody's questions. What I found in this 190 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:18.679 debate is that hole Lee smokes. This debate could go for a week. 191 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:22.639 There's a lot of YouTube videos. There's a lot of Twitter, right, 192 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:26.360 there's a lot of Facebook. There's a lot of stuff on both sides of 193 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:30.799 the We're not going to be able to deal with all of it tonight, 194 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.360 but we're going to do the best that we possibly can. And so, 195 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:37.679 ladies and gentlemen, I would like you to respectfully get on your feet and 196 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:39.080 give a good applause for the Man of God. Pastor Dean. Oh, 197 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:41.679 look, come on up here, pastor, thank you for being at our 198 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:48.240 house tonight. We honor you, We welcome you. Hollylujah, alrighty, 199 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:58.120 wonderful, well men, thank you brother. Well, we're gonna have a 200 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:00.960 lively time tonight. It's going to be exciting. I want you to just, 201 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.039 you know, kind of welcome the people and just kind of give us. 202 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:05.759 And again, we won't take a long long time with this, but 203 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:07.919 you know, hey, church, it until tomorrow. And you drove a 204 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.440 long ways to get here, many of you, and so it's gonna be 205 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:13.559 a good time. Kind of give us a just a working idea in the 206 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:35.000 ministry of how you were led into this. Well, I came experience Jesus, 207 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:50.919 I mean in heaven a hell, and idn't know the glory of God 208 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:52.799 was around me as I walked down the aisle. I don't even remember. 209 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:56.960 I don't even remember I remember stepping out that I don't remember walking down it. 210 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:01.240 And I got up there with the pastor and pray and accepted Jesus and 211 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:03.919 I was powerfully born again and baptized not long after that. But then, 212 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.960 of course that I got into my teenage years and my parents divorced and so 213 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.840 we quit going to church, and of course, like most teenagers, I 214 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:18.039 got into my friends kind of drew me into alcohol and drugs and sexual immorality, 215 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.080 and I got into all that real heavy during my high school years of 216 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:26.080 my first year in college, and so when I got I was nineteen years 217 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:26.960 old, I decided, well, I'm gonna go out and work. You 218 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.559 know. In fact, I was in Alabama's at Troy State University's now Troy, 219 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:35.679 and I was really feeling depressed, and I was partying. You know, 220 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:37.360 I was in Singwa Kai fraternity. I was getting drunk every night and 221 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:41.000 partying every night, and I was getting burnout. And I had a modeling 222 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:43.840 contract. I was supposed to be in the first Diehard movie and all that 223 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:48.519 stuff, and so we're we're getting ready to do that. That's a Christmas 224 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:54.039 movie, by the way, it is. We have my favorite ornaments, 225 00:15:54.080 --> 00:16:00.000 the one where he's in the air duck and yeah. But I was gonna 226 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.919 just go work for the summer. And I was gonna work for the summer 227 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:07.279 and then go to Hollywood. Actually that's where I was headed. And God 228 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.799 had other plans. The guy started working for started talking to me about Jesus, 229 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:14.440 and I knew everything he's said was true. And then when he finally 230 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:17.279 said used the scripture from Galatians, he said, no, drunkard's gonna inherit 231 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:21.679 the Kingdom of God. And I was a drunkard man. And I was 232 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:27.240 convicted for three weeks. And then somewhere on my day off, about a 233 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:30.000 month into this, the Holy Spirit spoke to me. The first time I 234 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.919 really know that God spoke to me, and he said, son, you 235 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:36.480 can have everything the world has to offer and go to Hell, or you 236 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:38.039 can surrender your life to me and live forever. And he was making me 237 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:42.399 choose, and I could see if I went to Hollywood, what was going 238 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:45.320 to happen. The Lord just gave me a vision. I saw it, 239 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.320 and I said, well, Lord, I'm gonna go with you. And 240 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:49.840 I told him, I said, Lord, I'm going with you, or 241 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:53.279 I'm not going at all, when I'll be a hypocrite. And so I 242 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:56.639 went and prayed with my boss that day and repented of my sins and really 243 00:16:56.720 --> 00:17:00.480 quit the drinking and the drugs and the alcohol and the sametual imorality, and 244 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:10.480 turned my life over to Jesus. And I've had some powerful experiences with him. 245 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:12.960 Just shortly after that, I had an open vision of Heaven, saw 246 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:17.039 him, he called me to the ministry. That's a whole other story. 247 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:19.720 But so I started preaching when I was nineteen, preaching on the street and 248 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:23.960 witnessing the people. My first convert was a high level Satanist, which and 249 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:29.559 that was an experience. I learned a lot there and in fact, I've 250 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:37.839 been doing deliverance since nineteen eighty seven. Brother. And then, of course, 251 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.200 you know, then God began to progress me on and have me start 252 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:44.039 planting churches, and I did that. And I've done a little bit of 253 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:48.720 everything, preaching prisons and did evangelism, and did college campus ministry all over 254 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.319 the country and stuff like that, and been to preaching the Middle East. 255 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:56.079 Spent time in Elize, Africa, the island of Mauritius out in the middle 256 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:57.960 of the Indian Ocean. So I've led a lot of people to Jesus over 257 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:02.759 the years. A lot of them are pastors now ministers now. So I've 258 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:07.240 been in the ministry a long time. And so in twenty two thousand and 259 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:08.599 eight, I was in the church in Washington, d C. It was 260 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:11.960 kind of under working on staff. I wasn't the head guy, and I 261 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.839 found out that they were compromised in a lot of areas that they were actually 262 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:19.799 semi pro abortion. It was It's horrible, and I knew the Lord wanted 263 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:22.200 me to speak up and deal with it and confront it. So I did, 264 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.519 and uh, the Lord told me said, they're gonna fire you on 265 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:27.240 November thirtieth. It is two thousand and eight. They're gonna fire you. 266 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:30.920 And I said, yeah, okay, they're gonna fire you. And then 267 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:32.880 when you do, I want you to go back to your hometown and start 268 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.440 a church. So, uh, they fired me on November thirtieth, and 269 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:40.079 I went back home and we started firing Grace Church in Open Lake, Alabama. 270 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:41.880 We're right next door to Auburn University, so I'm aig Auburn fan, 271 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:47.880 and that's where we started two thousand and nine. So fast forward. You 272 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:49.079 know, I preach on them just about everything. I talk about, the 273 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:52.480 Nephelom, the giants, the alien stuff, the you know, I'll talk 274 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:56.640 about everything. And that's why I'm going to this place because in twenty fifteen, 275 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:02.200 the Lord spoke to me about two months before God really opened my eyes 276 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:04.720 to this, and he said, he said, I got something else to 277 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:07.799 show you, and it's big. And I thought, what in the world 278 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:11.079 could it be. I mean, I'm already casting demons out of Christians. 279 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:15.799 I'm already you know, ostracized with that. I had to walk away from 280 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:19.519 the assemblies of God just become independent, you know. And I said, 281 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:22.720 what could it be? And so a friend of mine that I had gotten 282 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.279 saved out in Hollywood, and this guy worked with all the big folks in 283 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:29.839 Hollywood. He gotten saved and I was kind of mentoring and discipling him from 284 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:33.000 a distance, and one day he just sent me this question. He said, 285 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:36.720 does firmament earth ring a bell? Now He's already a little strange being 286 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:38.519 in Hollywood, but I was like, I was like, what is he 287 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:41.640 talking about? I don't even know it. So he sent me this video 288 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:48.279 and it said nothing about flat earth or biblical cosmology, said nothing about it 289 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:49.279 in the beginning. But I just started watching it, and the first part 290 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:52.559 of it was at about NASA's fakery where they've been called faking stuff with the 291 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:56.880 ISS and all kind of stuff in the moonlandings and all that. And I 292 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:02.119 already didn't believe in the moonlanding. So he sent me this and I'm like, 293 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:03.640 what is he talking about? But as he got about halfway through it, 294 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:07.480 the Holy Spirit just came all over me. I knew. I said, 295 00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:10.519 you know what they've lied about everything, not just some things, but 296 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:15.559 everything. And I begin to see, you know, the high altitude balloon 297 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.480 footage and there is no curve, and the long distance photography and there is 298 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:23.039 no curve, and we've done the experiments ourselves with and so I began to 299 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:26.079 see these things and I was like, Wow. And then I pulled the 300 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:30.000 Bible out again and went back and go. You know, I began to 301 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:37.440 realize, I have believed men what men had to say about God's creation instead 302 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:48.680 of what the Bible just plainly said. And and I realized, you know, 303 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:51.319 even in my younger days, when I was in my twenties and thirties, 304 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:53.480 I would read Joshua ten where Joshua told the earth. He told, 305 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:56.440 you know, he's standing on the earth and he tells the sun of the 306 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:59.799 moon to stop moving. And I would always say, wait a minute, 307 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.759 little how does this happen? Because he didn't say tell the earth to stop 308 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.160 spinning. So that always troubled me. I could never reconcile that in my 309 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:11.680 mind with what I had been taught from a child. And once got opened 310 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:17.680 my eyes to this, and then I began to see the evidence and into 311 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:18.799 which I'm going to share a lot of that, I begin to see the 312 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:22.720 evidence. I pulled my Bible out, and I pulled out my strongs and 313 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:26.240 my Greek and Hebrew dictionaries and lexicons and started going back to it all, 314 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:30.200 you know, and I had to admit that I hadn't just taken God's word 315 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:36.359 literally in those areas of how he described he created the earth, and that 316 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:38.759 it was still in at rest, it was motionless, that it was stable, 317 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:44.799 that it was not flying through this vast universe. That he didn't teach 318 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:48.359 any of that. And so it took me about a month. I couldn't 319 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:53.240 sleep much because I just kept studying and studying and studying. And then finally 320 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:56.960 the Lord had me share it to our church and I turned off everything. 321 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:00.279 I turned off our public broadcast and said, I'm just going to share it 322 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.880 to our church and see how how they respond. And it it's been amazing. 323 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:10.599 And then that was eight years ago, and then it's been quite the 324 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:15.039 bride since then. I mean, it's exploded and and here we are. 325 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:19.240 Yeah, but that's that's it. Yeah. A lot of our folks and 326 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:25.480 even a lot of people watching maybe aren't as into this and understand the reality 327 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:26.720 of it. And that's one of the reasons I think it's good that two 328 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:33.599 pastors are discussing and debating this from a biblical creationist standpoint. But what I 329 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:36.640 find, and some of this, no doubt, is perception because this is 330 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:38.559 so new to me, and you have to understand, I'm going to be 331 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:42.559 a little bit guarded in the way that I discuss things tonight, because I 332 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:45.119 can be very bombastic, right, and I don't want to seem abrasive. 333 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:47.920 I don't want to come off as a jerk, for Jesus. But here, 334 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:51.000 here's one of the things that bothers me from the beginning. And I 335 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:53.319 just want to ask you a couple of questions, because you're really the one 336 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:57.480 that we brought here to explain maybe what we don't understand, what we're trying 337 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:00.680 to figure out, right, And so there's no need for me to ask 338 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:03.240 myself these questions. And so the first one is I have a hard time 339 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:08.440 with the people that see factual things and I'm not talking about curves and all 340 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.079 that, and I'm not talking about looking out the window of an airplane and 341 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:12.920 all of that. Right, we goun to argue that the cows come home. 342 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:18.519 But I watched this show, this Behind the Curve, right, and 343 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:27.279 there were three times in that documentary where the evidence proved rotation and curvature, 344 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:33.680 and in each occasion, the flat Earth individual said, ah, you know, 345 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.759 it's it's not going the direction that we want it to go. And 346 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:41.480 then of course they ended the whole show with well that's interesting, right, 347 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:45.160 And so my question is why is it that when when we do come up 348 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:49.240 with an argument, it seems like it doesn't matter what we say, you're 349 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.680 just not gonna believe it. So that makes sense. How can you just 350 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.319 reh, yeah, oh understood, yes, because we show evidence and then 351 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:59.519 everybody, you know, people go, well, I don't care. Here's 352 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:03.759 the thing about whether it be the gyroscope, that electronic gyroscope, and I 353 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:07.519 remember that. Now you've got to remember you've got to look at things like 354 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:11.119 it. Just because somebody does an experiment, that experiment has to be repeated 355 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:14.319 again and again and again and observed again and again before you realize it. 356 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:18.000 But see Michaelson Morley, the two scientists in the days of Einstein did an 357 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:23.279 experiment, the famous one where they proved that the Earth was not moving through 358 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:29.440 the ether. And the ether was an accepted concept back then, and really 359 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:32.000 more and more physicists of coming to accept the ether. Now. What the 360 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:36.480 ether is is it's an unseen You can see it sometimes if you zoom it 361 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:40.759 on the moon, but it's actually a dense type superfluid type gas. It 362 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:42.119 gets more dense as you go up and I've talked about a lot, but 363 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:47.079 here's what they discovered. When Michaels of Morley did their experiment, they did 364 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:52.480 find one sixth movement. Okay, because the ether is moving. The ether's 365 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:56.119 what we believe. That the Sun and the moon are moving in a circuit, 366 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.440 as the Bible says in Saw nineteen, that the Sun and the moon's 367 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:03.359 moving in a circuit over us, and that they're at a certain altitude, 368 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.480 and that literally that ether current is what's pushing it around. I found government 369 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:10.640 documents that actually admit this, that they believe in the ether current, and 370 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:14.559 they believe in the ether. So the ether is moving. So certain instruments 371 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:18.079 like when Michaelson Morley did their test to see if the Earth was moving and 372 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:22.200 the gyroscope, sometimes they're going to pick up the movement of the ether and 373 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:25.640 not necessarily does it mean that the Earth is spinning. Now, like one 374 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:30.599 of the big arguments of the global side, the spinning ball side, is 375 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:34.039 the folk called pendulum. But what we have discovered is that in Smithsonian I 376 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:40.240 actually have the documents. The Smithsonian admits that they use an electromagnet to move 377 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:42.599 it. And my friend Matt Long is here who used to where are you 378 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:48.000 at this area is back there. Matt Long used to work for a construction 379 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:55.000 company that actually installed one of those electromagnets on the pendulum. So they say, 380 00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:57.279 they try to tell us in the media through the media, and the 381 00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:02.400 agenda is that the Earth's spinning is what's moving the pendulum. But they you 382 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:06.160 have tour guides that will admit when the folk called peddlum will admit that they 383 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:10.039 have a motor on it, an electromagnet motor that that if it was left 384 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:14.400 alone, it stand still, but they keep it moving. So what I'm 385 00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:18.079 saying is that there's a lot of stuff that they that's put out for evidence, 386 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:19.640 but once you really look at it, and you could even find them 387 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:25.359 admitting it, that it's kind of gets debunked real quick. But there's a 388 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:27.799 movement in the ether for sure. But let me just say this too. 389 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.640 I spent I've spent hours. I was one of I am the one that 390 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:37.119 put out the government documents because I spent one day. I sit down with 391 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:41.400 a cup of coffee and at like nine o'clock in the morning and I didn't 392 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.440 get up until five that that afternoon, digging through the freedom of Information Act 393 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:52.640 Room where there's declassified documents there. I found Russian and United States Military, 394 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:59.279 CIA, you name it, documents that it meant that we live on a 395 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:04.119 non rotating flat earth. And I could give you literally dozens and dozens and 396 00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:10.039 dozens of those documents that our government admits it, but they kept it secret 397 00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:14.079 from us. So what I'm saying is there's a lot of evidence and the 398 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:19.039 original science. In fact, Einstein created his famous theory of relativity because once 399 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:25.960 they that Michaelson Morley proved by scientific they admitted that their experiment proved that the 400 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.960 Earth was not moving, but they could not accept that because there were hardcore 401 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.240 Copernicans and they just didn't accept it. And so he came up with the 402 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:38.160 E equals MC squared theory. Right. But Tesla, Tesla said his theory 403 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:41.880 was just a bunch of hogwashing and he was a fuzzy headed idiot, and 404 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:48.640 Tesla was the one that was the real inventor and true scientists. So so 405 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.160 what I'm saying is is that that it works both ways, you know, 406 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:56.279 but you got to I will say this, people that are on our side, 407 00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:59.720 my side about this issue, the other side, that you have to 408 00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.759 remember to this about us. We believed everything you believed before, you know, 409 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.079 because that's what we were taught. You know, we didn't have a 410 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:11.279 choice. I mean from childhood you on up. That's ingrained in your head 411 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.039 that we're spinning and flying through an ever expanding universe. But here's the reason 412 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.440 why you know that's not true. We can observe it. But see, 413 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.400 remember, brainwashing stops you from being able to think it, even accept what 414 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:26.440 you observe. Now, they tell us we're going around the Earth sixty six 415 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.359 thousand miles an hour sixty seven, I mean, it changes all the time, 416 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.599 and they say that that's we're going around the Sun. Then they say 417 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:37.200 that we're moving five hundred thousand miles an hour through our solar system. And 418 00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:42.720 then it says that our solar system is moving through the ever expanding galaxies at 419 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:47.759 half a million miles an hour. Now we do that, They say we're 420 00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:52.519 doing that, that we've been doing that for thousands of years, and yet 421 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:57.079 Polaris, the North Star never moves. When somebody does time laps, focuses 422 00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:02.960 on the North Star and does time lapse for potography, the circles that the 423 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:07.839 star the star trails are perfectly circular, and every night I can walk out 424 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.559 of my house in point in a direction and Orion's belt will come up in 425 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:17.279 the same place every night. Now, if we're flying, spiraling, spinning 426 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:22.440 through this through an ever expanding universe, then the stars we see should have 427 00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:25.000 changed. But we can look back at the ancient Egyptians and they were looking 428 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:29.519 at the same stars and navigating the same way we do today. So just 429 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:33.720 by what we observe and see, we are not a spinning ball in outer 430 00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:38.559 space and then flying through an endless space. That's just nonsense. Let me 431 00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:41.400 ask you a question, and we're going to get to a lot of that 432 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:47.000 more in detail when we both do our debate discussions. One of the things 433 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.160 I have a hard time with is, you know, look, I get 434 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:53.799 the government lies. One of the hard things about the flat earth idea, 435 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.319 what I would call a flat earth theory, is there's a lot of conspiracy 436 00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:00.359 theories that are true that I believe in right, there's no doubt about that. 437 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:04.240 And so it's almost like in us and them, you guys are the 438 00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.960 few enlightened people of reality, whereas I would say, well, of course 439 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:11.480 I know the election was stolen. Of course I know that vaccines are nonsense. 440 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:14.720 Of course, I didn't close my church. We even put up a 441 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.000 sign that said we're a mask free campus. We won't even allow you. 442 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:21.279 We're a mask here. And so it's not like we're into all of the 443 00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:26.759 stuff, right, And so it seems like with this you know, us 444 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.519 versus them football mentality, that we're tackling each other over some of the same 445 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.759 issues. Because yeah, there's a lot of things that you and I agree 446 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.480 on, but then it's like you got to keep going deeper in the conspiracies 447 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.079 and keep going deeper, and now you could agree with them all these things. 448 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.000 But if you don't agree about the flat earth theory, the flat earth 449 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.200 modeling concept, well then you don't really understand the Bible. I'm not saying 450 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:51.640 you can't be saved. I don't believe you believe that either. You don't 451 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.799 really understand the word. You're not really enlightened and like the rest of us. 452 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.519 But then we know, you know government NASA lies. But here's the 453 00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:02.039 problem that I have. And probably in your presentation you'll talk about some of 454 00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.599 those documents. I've read every one of those documents that you released, Yet 455 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.079 I see them release some of them, Well, the ones that you have 456 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.400 released publicly. I read all of them that I wanted to be very thorough. 457 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.680 But here's the issue. NASA bad, NASA bad, NASA bad. 458 00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:22.960 But these NASA documents that I just released tell you that NASA is telling the 459 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.759 truth. So I don't understand the discrepancy, and I'm just being honest about 460 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.920 that. Well, it's simple. When these documents were top secret, meaning 461 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:34.799 if you divulge the information that was in them before they were released through the 462 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:41.759 freedom of information, that you went to prison by accused of treason. Okay, 463 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:45.119 So the government will hide things like Okay, the mk Ultra program, 464 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:49.000 we'll use that example. The mk Ultra program was denied by our government for 465 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.480 decades and decades and decades. They Operation paper Clip after World War Two, 466 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.440 they brought all the Nazi scientists over here, gave them immunity, and they 467 00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:02.119 basically started the mind control program. Is called mk Ultra, is called Operation 468 00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:07.240 Artichoke mocking Bird. Right, So all of this was done the United States 469 00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:10.720 government, the Canadian government was involved, all right. All of this was 470 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:17.200 kept top secret until it got leaked out in the seventies and through the Church 471 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:22.640 Committee, and it got leaked out, and then they found the documents buried 472 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:27.559 in the CIA headquarters and they had destroyed. Matter of fact that the CIA 473 00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:30.680 director Allen Dullas, had destroyed about two hundred thousand documents trying to cover it 474 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:35.640 up. But they found some hidden in another office. So all the truth 475 00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.200 came out. So what I'm saying is the truth came out in the seventies 476 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:44.720 and finally, actually Bill Clinton, President Bill Clinton actually apologized because experiments were 477 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:50.079 done on human beings mind control using drugs, and physical abuse and sexual abuse, 478 00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.000 and sometimes against people's will without their knowledge, and some people died in 479 00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:57.839 those experiments that the CIA was doing. Now you could look back and go 480 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.319 back then and say, oh, that's a conspiracy. See uh, and 481 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:04.480 the government, you know, the government covered it up. But when those 482 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.759 documents come out that were kept secret, now we know, okay, they 483 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:13.359 they were discussing this between them, and they have to do that. And 484 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.359 it's the same way with NASA, and it's the same way with our other 485 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:21.119 government agencies and military. They don't tell us everything what they actually do. 486 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.440 And then the Freedom of Information Act, I'm gonnaell you this. I believe 487 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:28.559 the Freedom of Information Act is Jesus made them do because Jesus said, everything 488 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:30.440 done in secret and spoken in secret, it's gonna be shouted from the rooftops. 489 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.160 And I actually believe it's a rule that God, God has made them 490 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.400 start revealing things to us. And so that's that's easy to determine it. 491 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:45.240 I look at a document that's top secret. It was kept top secret from 492 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:49.559 us for years and years and years and decades, and finally now it's released. 493 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:53.680 Oh, I can go. I see why they were hiding. It 494 00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.680 got you, all right, I know you're going to talk a little bit 495 00:33:57.680 --> 00:33:59.480 about those documents, and so let me let me just kind of move on 496 00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:01.240 into the question because I'm really anxious to get you hooked up and let you 497 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:06.079 start doing your actual presentation and make sure the guys have the core to the 498 00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:09.199 computer and all of that. Ready, Okay, the age old question is 499 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:15.639 why don't you guys still have an actual map? Why do you have a 500 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:21.159 model but not a scaled map? Nobody does you know that all of our 501 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:22.599 maps are wrong, every single one of them. Well, we have a 502 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.719 scale, and you can tell me that this is two hundred miles apart from 503 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:29.039 certain towns, and I can look at the scale and a regular map, 504 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:32.320 and I can drive it's exactly two hundred miles. Works really well. And 505 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:36.440 again you have to know how to use map. Maps have different scales and 506 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.800 different different things that you look at. But bottom line is is that all 507 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:45.000 maps are wrong. The projection map, one of the Mercader maps show way 508 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.719 show Iceland like bigger than Africa, and that's not true. So what I'm 509 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:55.039 saying is nobody has a true, accurate, to the perfect map. That's 510 00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.800 just a fact. Not your side, not my side. We're still working 511 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:04.880 on. But we can travel based off our model and based off our map 512 00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:07.320 and get exactly where we want to get. But you can't do that on 513 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:08.840 the model of the flat earth. It's not true. And even Africa is 514 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:14.000 like three thousand miles wider than it's supposed to be because it's looking down on 515 00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:19.320 a spherical earth and it's just been flattened out. It's it's absolutely not true. 516 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.559 That is one hundred percent truth. No, it's not, No, 517 00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:24.920 it's not. In fact. Navigation and I have this in my book. 518 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:30.440 Navigation is called the great circle navigation. Ye, great sphere navigation. All 519 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:32.360 right, so everything, yeah, but every pilot will tell you that's an 520 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:37.679 actual commercial airline pilot. Where's my army pilot. Where's my army pilot? 521 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.280 Yeah, stand up, army pilot, where are you? Okay? See, 522 00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.840 So what I'm saying is not every pilot to tell you that I have 523 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:47.400 a friend. Good dear, commercial airline polot will tell you that. A 524 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:51.840 commercial pilot will tell you I have multiple in fact, because I don't want 525 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.800 to get on the plane of a guy that doesn't know about the rotation of 526 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:58.400 the Earth, because I'll end up in the wrong place. That's the entire 527 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:02.679 idea, because okay, they say, this's a perfect example what I'm talking 528 00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:07.360 about. All right, if you if you believe the Earth is spinning, 529 00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.320 and if you believe in the Coriolis effect, that you have to definitely believe 530 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.280 in the Coreolis is not even in the Seal manual. And I have a 531 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.719 Seal friend. So what I'm going to tell you right now is that if 532 00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:22.000 that was happening, you could not land a plane on a north south runway 533 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.840 because if the Earth is spinning at one thousand miles an hour and an airplane 534 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.400 is flying at five hundred miles an hour, and you have to count in 535 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.239 velocity and you have to figure all that in. They could not land on 536 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:39.199 a north south runway. It's impossible. Gyroscopes in planes tell the pilot that 537 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:44.559 they're flying flattening level. And many, many pilots have come out and F 538 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.440 sixteen pilots come out and a whistleblower and said it's flat. He knows it. 539 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.119 Here's another thing you see F sixteen. I've been down in Pensacola where 540 00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:55.800 you see the blue Angels do their thing. They will fly fifty feet off 541 00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:00.840 of the water, breaking the sound barrier. Okay, now that means that 542 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:05.079 they are moving over seven hundred miles an hour, right, they break the 543 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.719 sound barrier. Sometimes they're flying at mock two in a straight line. Now, 544 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.880 if they're flying that fast in the Earth's curving, and most people don't 545 00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:14.960 on your side, do not know how much the Earth curves. They don't 546 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:19.000 even know the formula. But it's eight inches per mile square. Now, 547 00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:22.599 if you do that going that fast, you're going to have to be nosing 548 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:24.239 the plane down. In fact, if you're going five hundred miles an hour, 549 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:28.159 you're gonna be nosing the plane down like two thousand feet, which is 550 00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:34.079 over half a mile. Every few minutes right, if you're flying at mock 551 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.239 two, it's incredible. They would have to be nosing the plane down continually. 552 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.880 And pilots will tell you that they never knowse their plane down to follow 553 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.840 the curvature of the Earth. That is a fact that they don't have to 554 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:46.000 have their nose down to follow the curvature of the Earth. They fly at 555 00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:50.039 altitude, and altitude takes care of the curvature of the Earth. That's the 556 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.199 entire point of a pilot. That's how he keeps the plane in the air. 557 00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:55.320 Let me just say that you got a nose down and go around the 558 00:37:55.360 --> 00:38:00.079 Earth. Explain something about aerodynamics, aero dynams. So tell you right now, 559 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:06.159 you cannot fly a plane at mock two. You cannot fly a plane 560 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.199 in any curve. I don't care if it's this way, this way, 561 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:12.199 or this way. They do not fly. They will come apart. That's 562 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.440 why the s R seventy one, there was one time it just came to 563 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:19.760 pieces. It had to fly straight and level or it would just burn up 564 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:22.679 and tear apart. So no, I'm sorry. They don't nose the plane 565 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:27.000 down on So you've never seen a plane curve, You've never seen a plane 566 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.360 do flips, go up, go down, barrel roll you hear you, 567 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.159 no, No, What you're talking about is you're going somewhere else with this. 568 00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:37.639 That's different When I'm talking a plane flying at mock one, Mock two, 569 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:42.039 mock three, they're not noticing the plane down yet. I don't travel 570 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.920 to go preach at mak one monk two. I'm talking about real people understanding 571 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:50.599 the science behind this, not just speculations of being able to say, well, 572 00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:52.880 a lot of pilots have come out, well, I would like to 573 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:57.000 see one of them, because here they got one. They're not They're not 574 00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:00.199 here. He just said he wasn't a military pilot, got hell. And 575 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:05.239 these are the people. These are then the white shirt guy, commercial airline 576 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.920 pilot, Army pilot, commercial airline pilot. What difference is that because the 577 00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:15.039 people that want to talk are helicopter pilots are the only flat earthers I've ever 578 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.119 met, and I've only met three of them, which is fine. And 579 00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:22.800 then people that fly out small planes for small distances, because if you're going 580 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:24.280 to get in an airplane and I know you guys hate the soun o, 581 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:28.159 their hemisphere and all that kind of stuff. I'm telling you there is no 582 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:34.280 possible way to make it from point A to point B without curvature and rotation 583 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.400 of the Earth. It's an impossibility. Now, I know your side does 584 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:43.760 not believe in that, but to say that, you guys have professional surveyors 585 00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.119 that survey I'm not talking about little bitty areas or pilot. Okay, let 586 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:51.960 me bring this up you since you bring up surveyors, Geological US Geological Survey 587 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:57.199 YEP is very clear that they don't even count curvature over one hundred square miles. 588 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.199 Well, you know what that's about, foolish because either they don't No, 589 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:02.000 they counted as flat over one hundred square miles. They count the Earth's 590 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:05.400 flat. Do you know how much curvature is it one hundred miles supposed to 591 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.760 be there? Well, we have a surveyor in the room tall No oh, 592 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:10.559 no, I'm asking you. Do you know how much curvature of the 593 00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:14.440 Earth is supposed to be there in one hundred miles? Well, if you 594 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:19.320 use the parabolic approximation, which is the zetetic astronomy, which is nonsense because 595 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.199 that's a curve is an art she would look like the world would look like 596 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.000 the Saint Louis Art. No, you're that, that is not it. 597 00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:29.199 Every scientist, I have a PhD in physics here with me. That's highly 598 00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.960 sought after across the world by Google and NIH and everything else. She will 599 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:37.559 tell you that if you're going to have a ball that's twenty four nine hundred 600 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:39.400 and one miles in circumference and it's a perfect sphere, right, you have 601 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:43.639 a sphere. And that's what NASA shows us is a perfect sphere, though 602 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.760 Nildagrass Tyson says it's a pear shape thing. Right, But here we go, 603 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:51.119 Here we go. If you have a sphere, it's not a perfect 604 00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:52.800 sphere, but I get it. Go ahead, Well that's the pictures they 605 00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:57.760 give us. So somebody's wrong. But here's the thing. If it's curving, 606 00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:00.719 if it's if it's a sphere twenty four thousand, nine hundred and one 607 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.159 miles, the math does not lie. It is eight inches per mile squared 608 00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.320 at the equator. And actually if you go up the ball going east and 609 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.320 west, it actually increases to nine and a quarter nine and a half. 610 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.760 It actually the curve gets worse. So no, these are things we can 611 00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:20.360 calculate, and they're not arguing, I have engineers and PhDs in physics who 612 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:22.119 will explain to you the math if you need explain to you. But I 613 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.079 don't know where you're coming from with that crazy stuff. The Earth, if 614 00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:28.880 it is the ball, it comes right out of the z Tech Astronomy book 615 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:30.960 from Samuel Robot. No, no, no it doesn't. I don't know. 616 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:34.880 I've never even read his book. Know, this math is very clear. 617 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.440 It's as clear as it gets. Where's my PhD in physics? Please 618 00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:46.400 stand? What's the square? I'm gonna just ask you to raise your hand. 619 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:52.159 Is it approximation? Does the Earth if it's a sphere curving twenty four 620 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:54.960 nine hundred one miles of the comfort does is that an average of eight inches 621 00:41:54.960 --> 00:42:00.960 per mile square? Yes? Right? But the square is an approximation? 622 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.559 Yes or no? No? Absolutely, and it is seven point nine inches. 623 00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.679 It's accurate. It's very accurate. So, like I said, it's 624 00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:09.159 it's that's a PhD in physics. Now if you want to go art. 625 00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:15.039 She does experiments at Tuskegee University in Alabama, and like I said, she 626 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.719 knows what she's talking about. So that's why I brought these people, because 627 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.239 we're not going to go down these these crazy roads. I mean the math 628 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:25.440 is math, yeah, exactly, Yeah, and the math is not in 629 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.760 your favor, and so I mean, yeah, anybody could bring testimonies, 630 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.639 any growing big doctors PhDs. That's fine. But the squared is an approximation. 631 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.639 It's a parabolic approximation for an arts that's one hundred percent the fact. 632 00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:42.840 No, that's that's one hundred percent true. No, No, it's not, 633 00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:45.000 it is. It is not. If you draw a circle, you 634 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:52.480 can figure out how much is curving. Yeah, so at the end of 635 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.960 the day. So at the end of the day, parabolic approximate. It 636 00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:01.079 is an approximation. But the question still has to be answered, regardless of 637 00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:05.559 how off our maps are, which we can navigate very well with him, 638 00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:09.679 why is there no real map for the model of the flat Earth? Why 639 00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.960 is there no curvature when we go out with Heizoo cast. It's not what 640 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:15.239 I ask. No, No, I can ask whatever I want to ask. 641 00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.119 Look, look, I don't agree with you about that. I know 642 00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:23.039 that's I just want an answer to the question, is there an actual map 643 00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:25.920 that can be produced? Like we have a map, we don't have a 644 00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:31.039 model. We have a map and an entire model that can be made predictions 645 00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:36.239 off of I've already answered the question. There are no predictions I'm not answering 646 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.719 again that can be made from a flat Earth model. All the maps are 647 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:44.800 wrong, All the maps are wrong. All the maps are wrong. All 648 00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:46.360 the maps are wrong, and they know it. So then why isn't your 649 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:52.519 map wrong? When you say Antarctica encircles the entire disc and the North Pole 650 00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.679 is right in the middle. Why isn't your map wrong? But our map 651 00:43:55.800 --> 00:44:00.159 is wrong? But the model proves that all the predictions for our map are 652 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.039 a thousand percent correct. They're not the early Listen, You've got to understand 653 00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.199 that there are people. That's why they I do understand. That's why I'm 654 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:08.679 asking you the question. You interrupted me. I tell you what, I'm 655 00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:13.519 not gonna do this interruption thing, all right, I'm not so we can 656 00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:15.760 just go to a presentation that we're gonna do this. I'm not doing it. 657 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:17.559 I just want you to answer the question. No, No, I'm 658 00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:21.159 not doing it. Why I'm not gonna do this interrupt Because I started giving 659 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:22.920 answer, you interrupt me. No, I answered the question. I'm not 660 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.760 doing it. I'll give you thirty seconds of silence. Why do you not 661 00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:31.519 have a map or a model that can make predictions what we do. We 662 00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:35.119 do, and I want to tell you it's been very accurate. The astro 663 00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.840 labe is another instrument that's that's proved this. It's based on a flat, 664 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:45.159 non rotating earthlab That's how they navigated Seas long before we got to this nonsense. 665 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:47.920 Okay about their spinning ball thing, it's always been based on Even the 666 00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:53.360 compass itself is based on a flat circular or not. It doesn't work if 667 00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:59.960 you're down here. It's not pointing through the ball. So what I'm saying 668 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.639 thing is is that bottom line that is not even. That is not even 669 00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:07.400 the argument. The argument is not there. We know there's discrepancies in the 670 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:12.880 maps, and the early explorers who went into the Arctic region, who used 671 00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:17.039 the instruments that they had based on a sphere trying to they would always find 672 00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:22.039 themselves out of reckoning, they said, sometimes extreme out of reckoning when they 673 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.840 went there. I document all this, Captain Ross and all these others. 674 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:30.960 I document captain after captain after captain who before they had to lie and before 675 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:36.719 there was NASA that when you go into the southern part the Southern hemisphere vest 676 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:38.559 what do you want to call it when you go there, that they are 677 00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:45.960 out of reckoning, trying to base their navigation on a sphere that's documented history. 678 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.320 Well, I mean, you can make a dead man say anything, 679 00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:52.039 So it's easy to talk about what used to happen back then. We have 680 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.639 more technology now than the world's ever imagined, and it's growing every day. 681 00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:58.719 So why can't you do those same things now? Why do you always have 682 00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:00.800 to talk about these people that used to try to do this? Did you 683 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.519 know right now there's between one and five thousand people on the continent, the 684 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.000 continent of Antarctica, and people are like, well, you know, NASA's 685 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:10.960 there, and there's these you know, gunny penguins that are keeping people from 686 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:17.119 getting it. It's just it's this fantastical nonsense where people have flown over it, 687 00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:22.559 taken pictures. You know, people have circumnat that. All of these 688 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:30.639 people have circumnavigated Antarctica. You can buy a cruise ticket, all right, 689 00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:35.599 you can buy a cruise ticket and go to Antarctica. And here's what's interesting. 690 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:38.559 In twenty nineteen, the flat Earth folks were going to take a cruise 691 00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:44.159 to Antarctica to prove their thoughts. Nothing ever came of it. Here. 692 00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:46.119 Let me explain that to you. You could fly there today. No, 693 00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.280 no, you can ye fly there and see the coastline. That's about all 694 00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.960 you can do a little bit. Oh absolutely, oh yes, oh yes. 695 00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.559 And if you want to go there and stay, oh no, you 696 00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:59.880 have to have permission from a government. Have you ever seen the amount of 697 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.519 stuff you have to fill out to go through this? And also they're not 698 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.559 gonna let you go in an expedition inland just as a just as a you 699 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.360 know, me or you. They're not gonna let that happen. And here's 700 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.840 another thing. If you know, this would be easy to prove, but 701 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:17.159 they hide this from us too. All we'd have to prove is is go 702 00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:21.639 to Antarctica. Let me and you go to Antarctica. Spend a week there 703 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:25.559 in the summer, and let's see if the sun does a three hundred and 704 00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:28.880 sixty degree circle all the way around as if so, it's a ball. 705 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.519 But if the sun comes in this way and then leaves that way, then 706 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:37.159 it's not. It is what we say it is. And there's been they've 707 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:42.440 had they have they have webcam videos, right at the Antarctica, and there'll 708 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.639 be a flagpole sitting there, and and so if the sun's coming in this 709 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:49.320 way, you should have a shadow here, and then it comes in and 710 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.679 it should be here, and then it comes over here, and then it 711 00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.159 should just be back here. What they do is they never let you see 712 00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:59.360 twenty four hours a day. They never let you. They cut the tape, 713 00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:04.679 they edit it, and Jiring of Jeronism actually has emails from them asking 714 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.519 why are you cutting the video, And they're giving these stupid explanations like, 715 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.519 oh, well it's too cold, we can't run it for twenty four hours. 716 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:14.599 We can run it for sixteen to eighteen hours, we can't run it 717 00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:17.039 for twenty four All the footage as doctors, doctor, and they minutes doctors. 718 00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.719 So then why can't we go and just see it for ourselves. Well, 719 00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:22.880 let's just see if they'll let us. Oh, they will let us. 720 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:29.199 I've already checked into it. They'll absolutely let us. Let's go. 721 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:36.440 They will absolutely let us. And not only will they absolutely let us, 722 00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:38.679 I've got a cattle rancher in Texas that will pay for the entire trip. 723 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:45.639 Let's do it. It'll fly right to Antarctica. We stay one week inland. 724 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:49.559 They gonna let us stay one week inland. Oh, absolutely, there's 725 00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.480 people in land right now. Well, yeah, they all work for different 726 00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:53.960 governments of the world. Nah, you can't, you can't. You don't 727 00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:58.800 get to use the governments of the world. There's a lot of treaty man 728 00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:02.719 Antarctica treaty. You read it. You know what I did, every line 729 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:07.199 of it, and none of it has anything to do with militarization of the 730 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:13.400 area. It even says peaceful expedition. There are people that live in They 731 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.239 go there by himself and he was seized and arrested and put in jail. 732 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:20.840 All right, So don't tell me that you can't. So you expect me 733 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:28.440 to change my entire theology over one man that got turned away? Go ahead, 734 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.159 I say you what, that's crazy, train, Why don't you try? 735 00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:35.000 Absolutely right? No, no, no, you agreed to go with 736 00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.320 me without government approval. You agreed to go with me, go there without 737 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:40.079 filling out the forms, and see what happens. Why would I go without 738 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:43.480 filling out the forms when I can plainly fill out the forms, buy a 739 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:47.639 ticket and go and they will let me in. All I say is, 740 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:52.440 don't talk about it. Until it's done. You hadn't proved that it's been 741 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.320 done. No, no, no, over and over and over and being 742 00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:59.159 done right now, been there, then you're just taking the word of people. 743 00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:00.840 You hadn't been there, just like you taking the word of people about 744 00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:02.920 space. You hadn't been in space, so you don't know it's real. 745 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:08.679 You just have faith in people that are telling you a story. Okay. 746 00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:14.880 I mean, we play that game all day long. So there's nothing I 747 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:16.559 can believe about anything because I've not done it. I've not been there. 748 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:21.239 If you can't witness it with your own eyes, you have to be able 749 00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:23.719 to question. That's ridiculous because the Bible says God is a spirit and they 750 00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:27.639 that worship him must worship him and spirit and in truth. And if you 751 00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:30.039 deny the reality because you can't see God, therefore you don't worship God. 752 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:35.679 That's heresy. And we're not even on the same Christian page. Look at 753 00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:37.840 it, we mean, look at this. Your people are just talking about 754 00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.880 the physical world and then you start talking about God. That's not what we're 755 00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:45.199 talking about. If there is no physical world without God, the physical world 756 00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:49.079 is what we're talking about. We're we are talking about the physical world. 757 00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:52.480 The heavens declare the glory of God. Have you been to outer space? 758 00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:57.000 I don't have to go to outer space. I believe it telescope, I 759 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:01.360 can look at it. Oh my gosh. Okay, is this what we're 760 00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:06.159 doing. I'm gonna tell you Gray, I'm not doing this because you have 761 00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:08.599 no answers. I have given you plenty of answers. Stop. Hold on, 762 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.360 hold on, we're stopping right now. Hold on a second. I 763 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:16.079 didn't come here to have an argument, okay. I came here to have 764 00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:20.519 a debate where we look at the scriptures. So we're gonna look at the 765 00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.199 scriptures. I'm gonna tell you right now. We got to set the tone 766 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:24.679 before we look at the scriptures, because we got to get through all this 767 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:30.480 crazy trained nonsense so we can understand what the Bible actually says. All right, 768 00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:34.559 we're spending we're spending one thousand miles an hour. We're flying at sixty 769 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:39.159 six thousand miles an hour, sixty seven. They change it regularly, five 770 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:44.159 hundred thousand miles an hours through your space that you believe in and get our 771 00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:45.559 show. I don't go. Your star has never changed. I know the 772 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:50.840 Earth rotates one time a day, one thousand miles one thousand miles an hour, 773 00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:52.519 and I believe in the sixty six I don't know about all this. 774 00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:57.360 The whole galaxy's moved. If there are people in this room that believe the 775 00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:01.440 Earth is stationary but want to convince me of upward acceleration instead of gravity, 776 00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:06.559 that's not true. Nobody believes that, truly believe that that. I know. 777 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:15.079 Nobody believes in upward acceleration in the form of to misplaced gravity. Do 778 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:19.079 you hear it? No, we don't know. No, that's the Flat 779 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.599 Earth Society. They're controlled opposition. They believe a bunch of nonsense like a 780 00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:24.840 pancake. So the flat Earth system. So y'all, okay, So y'all 781 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:29.000 don't get along with the Flat Earth Society. They're what do you call them 782 00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:32.360 shields? Yeah? So okay, Look, this is what I have a 783 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:38.639 hard time with. There are like nine different models or beliefs about flat Earth, 784 00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:43.159 and I don't understand who's right, who's wrong? Why is flat Earth 785 00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.920 Society wrong? But why are you guys correct? You know, you see 786 00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:51.280 what I'm saying. That's what I don't understand. And so just shouting things 787 00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:54.199 is not gonna help. The reason people can't fathom this is because there's so 788 00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:58.840 many different belief systems about it, whereas we have one model that works. 789 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.320 Yeah, because you've been bringing washed with it since you were born. That's 790 00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:05.559 why you have one model. That's what they wanted you to believe. But 791 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:07.239 listen, we can go back. We go okay, we can go back 792 00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.760 to the scientists who believed, you know, the people that y'all looked to 793 00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:14.159 for this, you know that created it. I don't look at any of 794 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.239 them, Copernicus and all them. Look, they were thinking the Sun was 795 00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:20.719 three million miles away. Then it was twelve million miles away. Now it's 796 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.119 ninety three million miles away. So don't tell me about you guys have been 797 00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:28.239 working on this because there's technological advancements across the age. But again, it's 798 00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.679 been changing all the time, and I don't believe the sun's ninety three million 799 00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:35.519 miles away at all. In fact, there's evidence to prove that it's not. 800 00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:38.039 So what I'm getting at is we can do, like I said, 801 00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:42.000 we can do this little argument right here all day long. But I didn't 802 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.679 come to argue like this. I mean, I mean, maybe you want 803 00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:45.559 to make a show out of it. But I'm not here to argue, 804 00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:49.519 like I just want to answer the questions that I don't have the answers to 805 00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.440 that I'm trying to figure out. Well I gave they're very simple questions. 806 00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:58.920 Very you know you're not gonna play. Look, here's what you're doing. 807 00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:02.119 You're playing this little game here with me. You don't have an answer. 808 00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:07.360 You don't have an answer because I'm not a flat Earth. Now hold on, 809 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:09.639 hold on, I'm talking about your model. You do not have an 810 00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:15.320 answer as to why we've been flying through this ever expanding universe at five hundred 811 00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:16.559 years. Well, I do have an answer. Hold on, And the 812 00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:21.360 stars never changed in our view. Ever, that's not true. That is 813 00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:23.639 true. That is true because I've been I've been looking at it for a 814 00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:25.760 long time. It is true. Well, go to the southern hemisphere and 815 00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:30.920 look at the same ones I've looked at it. I know you've been Hemisphere 816 00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:34.400 I and you've looked up. Can you see Polaris from the southern hemisphere? 817 00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.360 Sometimes you can, It depends. You never can. No, no, 818 00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:42.119 no, to a certain degree south you can. But here's the thing. 819 00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.960 In our model, the biblical model, I believe and we believe that both 820 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:51.639 the Sun and the Moon are much smaller and much lower and closer to the 821 00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.320 Earth, as well as the stars same size. We don't. Yeah, 822 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:58.440 we believe there's the same size, and we don't believe we don't believe the 823 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.440 stars are some distant allexies that are trivillions of miles away. I believe the 824 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:06.559 stars are much closer. So when things are smaller and closer, when you 825 00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:09.719 move away from them, you don't get to see them because of perspective. 826 00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:14.159 It's anything like I've got a video i'll show you in a minute where a 827 00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:17.039 guy puts his camera on the ground on a flat football field and he starts 828 00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:20.920 walking away from it. Well, he starts walking away from it. His 829 00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.280 feet disappear first, and then he gets up to his knees and then up 830 00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:25.679 to his waist, and then by the time he's at the end of the 831 00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:30.119 football field, he can squat down. You can't see he hadn't left the 832 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:34.119 flat football field, right. It's a matter of perspective. And so what 833 00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:37.079 happens is like the sun doesn't go down, it doesn't go around a curve, 834 00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:40.119 It just simply gets too far away for us to see because it's lower 835 00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:45.079 and smaller, and it gets further away. And it's actually what the Bible 836 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:46.400 says. The Bible doesn't say, you know, the King James will say, 837 00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:50.599 except the sun goes up and down. If you look the word up, 838 00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:52.719 it's bow in the Hebrew. And it means just to come in and 839 00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:54.440 go out. It's all. It means, like to walk in. It 840 00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:57.719 says like to walk in the front door and walk out the back door. 841 00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:01.320 It's not talking about going over a curve. And so again that's what I'm 842 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:05.840 talking about our model and then and that's what we get it. I'm not 843 00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:08.559 you try to take your model and apply stuff to it. To ours, 844 00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:13.800 they're completely different. Oh they're way different. There's no doubt about that. 845 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.000 Different. And I'm not trying to amalgamate the two. There is no amalgamation 846 00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:22.400 in them. Okay, there's no way I can believe that the sun and 847 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:24.559 moon of the same size and the what thirty two miles wide? Is that 848 00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:29.280 something like that, like three thousand miles? Why can't I go out in 849 00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:32.199 the middle of the night and get a telescope and find the sun? You 850 00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:36.119 can't because every instrument I don't care what we have. I don't care. 851 00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:37.639 If it's the most powerful instrument you've got, it has a limit to its 852 00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:42.119 vision. I have most of us in here have a P nine hundred. 853 00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:45.639 Yeah, but I'm talking about like a telescope. Yeah, we've used telescopes. 854 00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:49.679 We've used so why can't I find the sun If it's only three thousand 855 00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:53.760 miles it's too far away, and it's moving even a thousand miles an hour, 856 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:57.840 and it's moving too far away. Again, it's perspective. It's like 857 00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:00.360 anything. I don't care. You can drive a car down the road and 858 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:04.760 sooner or later, it's even if you're in New Mexico or Arizona, sooner 859 00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:07.280 or later it's going to disappear from your vision. Though it's still on the 860 00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:09.400 road, it's still going. And then you can take a high zoom camera 861 00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:13.679 and you can pull it back in and catch it again. But eventually, 862 00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:15.159 as it keeps going, it's going to get out of the range of that 863 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:20.599 high zoom camera or telescope. They're not Every telescope and every camera, no 864 00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:24.559 matter how powerful its optical abilities, it still has a limit to it. 865 00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:29.559 So it runs out. And so what happens to us We have a convergence 866 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.559 the way we see things. Everything goes down like this to a point. 867 00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:36.199 That's why when you see a plane, a plane can be flying in us 868 00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:39.239 from this direction, and it can be maintaining an altitude of forty thousand feet, 869 00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:43.400 But when you're looking at it coming at you, it's going to be 870 00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:46.280 low on the horizon. Then it's going to look like it's high above your 871 00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:51.599 head as it goes over you. Your eyes are seeing it as it's going 872 00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:55.480 down this way, and it's never changed altitude. That's the same with the 873 00:57:55.480 --> 00:58:00.400 sun or the moon of the stars. It can't be the same with the 874 00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:04.639 sun, the moon and the stars. That's an impossibility. And you disagree, 875 00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.239 I disagree. I disagree. You can't have a sun and a moon 876 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.679 that are the same size and stay in the exact whatever if y'all use the 877 00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:15.159 phrase orbit in the exact same orbit, in the exact same path, in 878 00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:21.559 the exact it's an impossibility to have that. There's no way in that model. 879 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:25.239 You don't understand that that scientifically was I don't understand the model because it 880 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:30.039 doesn't work well. Our government sure thinks it works. How does our government 881 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:35.360 think it works? They tell you everything. They even base their aircraft flying 882 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:37.599 off a non rotating flat earth. They programmed it. Listen, I have 883 00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.719 a document from nineteen sixty two. Now, we already had satellites, right 884 00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:46.480 in nineteen fifty eight, first satellite, Echo satellite. They this is funny. 885 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:52.079 They tell us that it had one hundred basically one hundred yard my lar 886 00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:55.159 balloon and it went into outer space. Yeah. Right, here's the thing. 887 00:58:55.519 --> 00:59:00.599 Nineteen sixty one sixty two. I have the document there was classified, 888 00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:05.519 meaning that if you exposed it, you were going to prison. In that 889 00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:09.760 document it says that to NASA scientists, rocket scientists program their IBM computer to 890 00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:15.400 track missiles in space based on a non rotating flat earth, and that document 891 00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:21.599 was classified. Now they programmed their computers. So if it's not flat and 892 00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:25.280 non rotating, why on Earth would two rocket scientists from NASA program their computer 893 00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:30.480 to track a missile in space that way? So when I say, the 894 00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:36.199 government believes it because they have to build things to work the way the Earth 895 00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:38.000 really is and the way the system really is. But they just don't tell 896 00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:43.199 you that you have to dig and find that out. Well, we have 897 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:45.639 a military got how many military folks do we have in the building on either 898 00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:49.840 side, If your military stand up, if your military stand up all over 899 00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:52.599 the room, thank you for your service, thank you, thank you, 900 00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:59.400 thank you. All right, do you, then, any of you on 901 00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:04.679 your side? And I'm asking politely, do you deny the reality that our 902 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:09.480 government has spent billions of dollars on over the horizon missile systems. Why would 903 01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:14.760 they build over the horizon missile systems unless they were gonna shoot them over the 904 01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:16.519 horizon for the curvature of the earth, for an enemy that you can't see. 905 01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:21.239 Here's the fact. Have you interviewed a I interviewed a guy named Sean. 906 01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:27.599 He's in my book. He was a sparrow missile instructor for the Navy. 907 01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:31.159 And I interviewed him and I said, tell me about your laser weapon 908 01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:35.119 on your ship. Now, the Navy has a laser weapon. I actually 909 01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:37.199 have the article. I actually have it in this The Navy has a laser 910 01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:42.800 weapon. That is clearly lasers or line of sight. They don't bend over 911 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:45.880 a curve. But I'm talking about the ones that do. I no, 912 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:50.400 no, over the You can shoot Okay, let's let's give you your alleged 913 01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:52.400 curve. Yes, you can shoot a projectile up in the air over a 914 01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.920 curve and then make it land where you want to. All right, hold 915 01:00:54.960 --> 01:01:00.719 on, I'm talk about shooting straight prog. Nothing does this. Laser doesn't 916 01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:05.000 do this. I'm not asking about a laser. I'm telling you about a 917 01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:07.639 weapon system. Now you want to talk about your weapon system. I want 918 01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:09.519 to talk about mine, all right, But I asked you about mine because 919 01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:13.159 I asked the question, and I just said, I don't know exactly what 920 01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.599 weapon you're talking about. I'm being specific. What weapon are you talking about? 921 01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:22.679 Over the horizon missile system? Which is a missile that shoots across the 922 01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:27.239 ground over the horizon because of the curvature of the earth and hits an intended 923 01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:30.760 target that you can't see because of the curvature of the earth. Okay, 924 01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:35.320 here, what I'm about to say, I don't care about that. I'm 925 01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.239 telling you. I'm going to tell you what. No, no, no, 926 01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:39.440 no, don't interrupt me, because if you interrupt me, we're just 927 01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:43.400 gonna be done. Because I'm not gonna be interrupted. We were done when 928 01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:49.400 we got started. I can tell you that. But you know, my 929 01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:52.920 brother is a lieutenant colonel in the military. My friend lieutenant colonel. Then 930 01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:58.440 I won't stand up, and I want him to publicly deny over the horizon 931 01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:01.599 missile systems in the United States military. Let's stop right there, all right, 932 01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:05.880 I'm gonna tell you about a laser because we know lasers are line of 933 01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:10.559 sight weapons. Right, my lieutenant colonel friend, he actually speaks fluent Russian, 934 01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:15.960 taught at West Point, and will tell you that there not only are 935 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:19.719 their radar, but laser weapons or line of sight weapons. The Navy, 936 01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:25.480 it mints in their defense magazine that their laser weapon that has no curvature to 937 01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:30.760 it whatsoever, it's not curving, can shoot down Russian and Chinese cruise missiles 938 01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:36.400 flying fifty feet over the water over one hundred miles away. Now, let 939 01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:37.400 me explain to you what one hundred miles is, because you didn't know, 940 01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:39.719 you didn't know a minute ago, what curvags are supposed to be there at 941 01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:43.559 a hundred miles. I'll tell you. If the Earth is a sphere twenty 942 01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:46.760 four nine hundred one miles circumference, the eight inches per mile squared on average 943 01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:52.039 means that in one hundred miles there should be six thousand, six hundred and 944 01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:57.159 sixty six feet of curvature. That's well over a mile of curves. There 945 01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:01.800 is no laser weapon shooting from a navy doing this to hit a missile moving 946 01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:06.639 at mock four. I'm sorry, but the Navy admits by that the Earth 947 01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:14.199 is level and non rotating. I can assure you the United States military does 948 01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:19.079 not admit that the Earth is flat. And if it does, then how 949 01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:21.760 come you can't trust him? But now you can trust him. You see, 950 01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:25.679 you only answered that question. You only trust people that are on your 951 01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:30.960 side. You never trust anybody that has an opposing side. Not true, 952 01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:35.480 that one hundred percent true. I've I've listened to all kinds of people about 953 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:37.480 this stuff. I've interviewed all kinds of people. I guarantee you I've done 954 01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:40.840 far more research than you have on this issue. Oh, I guarantee you, 955 01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:44.800 after this debate, I'll never research this foolishness again. I can promise 956 01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:49.960 you that right now we'll see. That means you've already made up your mind. 957 01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:52.239 I have made up my mind because I'm about to show you from the 958 01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:58.079 Bible God's made up his mind. I love to see that you're about to 959 01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:00.360 I know you can't do this. You get to go first, So get 960 01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:01.760 your computer and get that thing hooked upcause I got a lot of questions I 961 01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:20.559 could ask, Hey, shook his flook us up straight up? Ass yeah, 962 01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:36.480 get his up up fronts. There's supposed to be a car cord for 963 01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:59.880 in my hears all right, there it in this one. M hm. 964 01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:04.480 So we're an hour in and we've hardly gotten any Bible verses. You're listening. 965 01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:09.880 I'm actually recording this live the Great Flat Earth Debate with Pastor Dean Odle 966 01:05:10.119 --> 01:05:13.519 and Pastor Greg Lock. Pastor greg Lock has been I think a lot of 967 01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:15.639 people I'm watching the live chat, it's been a little disappointing. He certainly 968 01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:21.480 did not come this with an open mind. I don't know. Hopefully he'll 969 01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:27.199 be a little more open both sides and you know, share the knowledge. 970 01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:30.920 And but Pastor Lockett, like he just said, he's already made his mind 971 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.840 up. So I'm not even sure at this point why he invited Pastor Dean 972 01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:38.519 Odle to come and bring this presentation if he was going to be rude like 973 01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:42.519 that, right, I just don't get it. But hopefully this coming hour 974 01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:45.280 he's setting up his computer right now, Pastor Odle is and he's about to 975 01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:51.760 give his presentation and hopefully he can give it openly without being mocked. But 976 01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:56.440 the one surprising thing to me, and again I'll jump right back in. 977 01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:00.599 He's about to go on. But the one surprising thing to me again is 978 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.239 how closed minded Pastor Locke is. If you're going to invite somebody, if 979 01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:05.639 you're gonna have a guest, you need to be open minded. We're gonna 980 01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:08.639 turn it back over. It looks like Pastor Otle is about to start. 981 01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:32.880 I have no idea exactly at least all right, absolutely, guy in the 982 01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:42.760 green is one helping man went, m hmm, there's an issue about all 983 01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:50.840 right, she couldn't find your purser. Mhmm. Pastor Mansa couldn't find her 984 01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:55.119 with your person. But we don't want to start a tcher. They're still 985 01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:57.840 working it out there having an audio issue. But reading some of the comments, 986 01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:03.400 it's pretty interesting when person noted, where's Pastor Locke going to explain heliocentrism 987 01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:09.440 in the Bible? And somebody did mention kind of what I did. Why 988 01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:14.079 would they, you know, why would Pastor Locke make it argumentive when you're 989 01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:17.960 in the house of God? Right, So again, hopefully we don't need 990 01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:24.960 pride, you know what I mean people should be willing to admit and have 991 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.920 an open mind, and because you know, as an adult, you've changed 992 01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.360 your mind tens of thousands of time and looked at things differently. But it's 993 01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:35.360 quite obvious that Pastor Locke is not going to back down. He's not going 994 01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:42.400 to change his mind, and obviously he's not going to be open minded. 995 01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:46.440 We'll see, maybe he'll change. And one thing that everybody has made a 996 01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:51.360 point of in the chat room was that Pastor Locke made his microphone much louder 997 01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:56.760 than Pastor Dean's. I noticed that pretty quickly as well. And I'm not 998 01:07:56.840 --> 01:08:01.039 even talking about you know, that little eight second audio gaff at the very 999 01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:08.960 very beginning of the presentation. So I'd like to hear your thoughts as they're 1000 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:11.880 still you know, I'm recording this live. It's Saturday night, eight oh 1001 01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:15.640 four pm Eastern time. According to my recorder, we're about an hour and 1002 01:08:15.720 --> 01:08:29.079 three minutes in to this presentation. I do really hope that he does have 1003 01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:31.920 an open mind, because it's the most important thing. Is the word I 1004 01:08:31.960 --> 01:08:35.279 got here goes all right, everybody. I think we're ready to get started 1005 01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:43.680 here, and I'm gonna show some things I'm gonna go through. I actually 1006 01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:45.680 have a lot of slides, but I'm gonna try to get through them as 1007 01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:54.359 quickly as possible. What's that, Let's pray I agree with that. Father 1008 01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:58.039 and Heaven. We come to you today, and we just thank you for 1009 01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:00.159 this time, and we thank you for this opportunity. Just open, Lord, 1010 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:03.279 just pray you just open hearts and minds right now to hear your word 1011 01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:10.439 for what it says. It's not metaphors and similes and illustrations. That Lord, 1012 01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:13.920 your word. You said exactly what you meant about how the Earth is 1013 01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:15.600 and how your universe is. And we believe that, God, and we 1014 01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:19.199 thank you for it. And we just pray for your peace and your truth 1015 01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:26.319 right now to go forth in Jesus name. Amen. Now, let me 1016 01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:29.279 just go ahead and state this out front. When it comes to the Bible, 1017 01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:36.159 it's without question a flat, non rotating, geocentric earth. That's the 1018 01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:42.880 way it is. The only way the other side gets to make it a 1019 01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:46.000 spinning, flying sphere is that they have to say all those passages about the 1020 01:09:46.039 --> 01:09:49.079 pillars of the Earth and the foundation of the earth and the Earth doesn't move. 1021 01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:56.119 That that is just metaphors. That's just poetry. But folks, I'm 1022 01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:59.039 going to read this scripture here. We're gonna read a few scriptures first to 1023 01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:04.880 start off with. And this is tewod Peter one sixteen through twenty. You 1024 01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:08.880 guys can put it on the screen for everybody. Let's read this, he 1025 01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:13.199 says, For we have not followed cunningly devised fables when we made known unto 1026 01:10:13.239 --> 01:10:15.239 you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eye witnesses 1027 01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:19.119 of his majesty. For he received from God, the Father, honor and 1028 01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:24.039 glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent Glory. 1029 01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:26.840 This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased. And this 1030 01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:30.560 voice, which came from Heaven, we heard when we were with him in 1031 01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:32.800 the Holy Mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy, where 1032 01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:38.079 until you do well that you take heed as unto a light that shineth in 1033 01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:42.520 a dark place, until the day dawn and the day star arise in your 1034 01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:46.000 hearts. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any 1035 01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:50.199 private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of 1036 01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:55.439 man, but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the holy 1037 01:10:55.479 --> 01:10:59.560 ghosts. Now here's the other scripture. We're going to go through all scriptures 1038 01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:03.079 second time, twenty three sixteen, all scripture, even the parts that they 1039 01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:09.079 want to call metaphors and poetry. And I think Pastor Gregg called one he 1040 01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:13.720 said hyperboleeve. But hyperbole means exaggeration and lives and God doesn't do that. 1041 01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:17.279 The Bible doesn't use those things. God means what he says. Now there's 1042 01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:20.079 few, there's symbolic language. I'll say, like frist Is, let's talk 1043 01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:24.600 about a symbolic language. The Bible talks about a seven head, ten horned 1044 01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:28.960 beast in the Book of Revelation, and then Daniel right, But that seven 1045 01:11:29.000 --> 01:11:31.079 head ten horned beasts we find out as a literal thing. It's going to 1046 01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.039 be a world government. In fact, the United Nations has already become that 1047 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:39.720 a seven head ten horn beast. You have the five on the Permanent Council, 1048 01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:43.199 you have the P five plus one, which is Germany win six, 1049 01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:45.840 and then the EU head comes in when they have a serious problem like the 1050 01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:49.319 the Iranian nuclear deal. So you have seven heads, and then under that 1051 01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:54.439 you have ten rotating positions. So literally, the un that's going to end 1052 01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:59.600 up being a world government has already seven heads and ten horns. So even 1053 01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:02.840 though there's symbolic language at times in the Bible is talking about something that's real, 1054 01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:06.439 okay, and that was what we need to agree on. But all 1055 01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:13.560 scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine. So the 1056 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:16.479 moment somebody says, well, what the Bible says in the Book of Job 1057 01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:23.439 or whatever about creation, does it matter? No, it matters because it's 1058 01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:30.199 profitable for doctrine. Right. See, the thing about it is, I'm 1059 01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:35.800 not going to have to do theological jumping jacks to agree with the secular system 1060 01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:39.600 about how the creation is. I can just stick with the word of God 1061 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:44.880 all right now, when he says here, all scripture is given by inspiration 1062 01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:46.840 of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for 1063 01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:51.720 instruction, and righteousness, that the Man of God may be perfect thoroughly furnished 1064 01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:56.680 under all good works. This will not hear Revelation twelve nine, And the 1065 01:12:56.680 --> 01:13:00.119 great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the devil, and say, 1066 01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:03.560 which deceiveth the whole world? He was cast into the Earth and his 1067 01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:06.760 angels were cast out with him. Now we are told, this is in 1068 01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:11.319 the Book of Revelation, chapter twelve, that that Satan would deceive the whole 1069 01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:15.960 world. How is it that we think that Satan, who is invisible, 1070 01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:19.439 who has power, who actually has people who serve him in the government and 1071 01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:24.479 the militaries of the world, how is it that we think if we gave 1072 01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:30.319 him sixty million dollars a day, which is NASA's budget, that he couldn't 1073 01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:33.600 deceive the whole world with something. And we know from the Bible that the 1074 01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:38.239 number one way we know there's a creator, and that leads us to a 1075 01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:41.479 creator. It says that we're without excuse is the creation. So if you 1076 01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:45.680 were the devil and you wanted to lead people away from the Bible and finding 1077 01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:50.359 Jesus as their Lord and savior, you would need to twist the creation's story 1078 01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:57.279 to make it completely wrong and get people to believe that your version of it 1079 01:13:57.359 --> 01:14:01.039 is right and the Bibles is wrong. All right, but that's exactly what 1080 01:14:01.119 --> 01:14:04.359 Satan has done. Now, people old Christians, when they come up, 1081 01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:08.439 they ask, well, why does this matter? Well, we're gonna find 1082 01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:10.800 out in just a second. But here's another verse, people don't talk about 1083 01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:15.119 conspiracy. Look, there's conspiracy theories and then there's conspiracy facts. Lord, 1084 01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:17.199 when they tell you, like, for instance, they're going to make a 1085 01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:20.920 vaccine, well Bill Gates said this in twenty ten. He said, when 1086 01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:24.399 they say, oh, yeah, we're going to lower the population of the 1087 01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:28.840 world through new vaccines. Now they just told you what they're gonna do. 1088 01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:31.840 Most people can't even believe that. But it's already been happening. Now. 1089 01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:35.840 The Bible says there's going to be a massive plot, a massive conspiracy against 1090 01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:39.359 the God of the Bible and his messiah, Jesus Christ. We read it 1091 01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:42.920 right here, Psalm I. Why are the heathen rage and the people imagine 1092 01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:45.800 a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers 1093 01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:50.520 take counsel together against the Lord and against his anointed, saying, let us 1094 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:54.880 break their bands asunder and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth 1095 01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:58.039 in the heavens, though shall laugh and shall have them in derision, Then 1096 01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:00.439 shall he speak it to them in his wrath, them in his sore displeasure. 1097 01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:03.800 So he tells us here that the evil and this is the Last Day's 1098 01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:06.720 context He's going to talk about the Messiah coming and ruling with a rod of 1099 01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:12.439 iron. Jesus is going to return and fix everything right. But he tells 1100 01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:15.479 us that the kings of the earth are going to take counsel, and actually 1101 01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:18.159 the Amplifi says they're going to bring together a plot. And yes, so 1102 01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:21.359 they're all in on it. Every lie that's out there, folks, whether 1103 01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:27.079 it be about creation I mean, or whatever, every lie out there is 1104 01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:31.479 to turn people away from the truth of God's work. You understand. That's 1105 01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:34.880 what this is over. We can sit here and argue maps and models, 1106 01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:39.760 and I have my military experts and he has he is. We can argue 1107 01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:44.279 this stuff all day long. But the bottom line is the fruit the fruit 1108 01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:48.319 of what's going on, and does the Bible say it? But there is 1109 01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:51.279 a plot. Now, let me show you part of where that plot is. 1110 01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:56.119 Let's go to Romans. Here we go to Romans. He says. 1111 01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:58.199 Here, this is Romans one eighteen through twenty. He says, for the 1112 01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:02.479 wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who 1113 01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:05.720 hold the truth. Now, this word in the Greek hole means to hold 1114 01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:11.680 down, suppress, withhold. He says that there are men who withhold the 1115 01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:15.760 truth, because that which may be known of God is manifest in them. 1116 01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:18.680 For God has showed it under them. For the invisible things of Him from 1117 01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:24.399 the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the things that are 1118 01:16:24.439 --> 01:16:28.600 made, even His eternal power in Godhead, so that they are without excuse. 1119 01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:32.279 So he tells us here that part of the plot, remember Acts, 1120 01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:39.279 I mean Psalm too, we just read part of the plot. Is this 1121 01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:43.520 hiding the truth about creation? Suppressing it? They know there's a firmament. 1122 01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.560 They tried to blow it up in the nineteen sixties with Operation Fishbowl. Glad 1123 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:56.239 it didn't work. Right. Now, let's keep going here, not that 1124 01:16:56.399 --> 01:17:01.039 wrong one. Here we are now, this is what Pastor greg said when 1125 01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:05.000 his first rant here he said, I don't care about biblical cosmology. There 1126 01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:08.800 is no such thing. It's man made. A few minutes later he said, 1127 01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:12.119 I want to be fair to that side. Because we've been lied to 1128 01:17:12.279 --> 01:17:15.079 in a bunch of other areas does not mean we've been lied to about the 1129 01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:17.159 shape and cosmology of the Earth. Well, it's cosmology a thing? Or 1130 01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:21.920 is it not a thing? I just wondering but cosmology is simply the definition. 1131 01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:27.960 Cosmology is the science of the universe. Cosmology is the study of the 1132 01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:30.680 universe as a whole from its origin. And of course they use the term 1133 01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:34.680 evolution. That we don't believe in evolution, but they it's about the origin 1134 01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:38.680 of the universe. All right, this is what it's about. Now. 1135 01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:43.960 The world system has their version of this. They believe in a big bang, 1136 01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:49.039 that nothing exploded and created everything, right, which that's to me is 1137 01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:56.199 mind blowing how they believe this. But this is their thing. Is the 1138 01:17:56.199 --> 01:17:58.960 next let me see, did I do it? That one's right there? 1139 01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:00.840 So they're big bang? Look at it. Look at billions of years, 1140 01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:06.239 these galaxies and stars and all this stuff. This is their version. But 1141 01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:11.000 this is not God's version. Now let me ask you a question. We 1142 01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:15.800 would think it's ridiculous. Now, like modern science. Modern science says that 1143 01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:20.920 we evolved from the primordial goo, and these creatures came along, and then 1144 01:18:20.960 --> 01:18:26.000 we finally became primates, and then we finally, after millions and zillions of 1145 01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:31.920 years, we evolved from primates or monkeys. Now, why as Christians do 1146 01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:35.720 we not believe that number one, there is no evidence if there was millions 1147 01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:41.359 of years of this transitional phase. There would be skeletons and fossils of this 1148 01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:44.640 transitional phase. So number one, there's no evidence that we can see. 1149 01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:48.960 And the Bible clearly teaches that we didn't come from monkeys. Over millions and 1150 01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:51.960 billions year now, we don't believe the scientists. Scientists would get up here 1151 01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:58.439 and tell you it's a fact that we came from monkeys, but we don't 1152 01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:01.960 accept that that we're gonna accept their version. You say, well, I've 1153 01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:04.840 heard people say, well, I believe in the Big Bang. God made 1154 01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:08.039 a big bang, and that's the way it was. No. No, 1155 01:19:08.479 --> 01:19:13.479 he tells us exactly how he created the earth in Genesis and Joe and Psalms. 1156 01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:17.199 He tells us exactly how he did it, and it's important. He 1157 01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:20.159 said, well, why is it important? Well, let me show you 1158 01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:23.880 something before we get to that. Let me show you what Neil degrast Tyson, 1159 01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:35.000 one of our top astrophysicists, and Mitchyukaku tell us, these are your 1160 01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:47.600 scientists. A crisis in cosmology. Usually in science, if we're off by 1161 01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:51.640 a factor of two, are a factor of ten, we call that horrible. 1162 01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:55.680 If we say something's wrong with a theory, we're off by a factor 1163 01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:59.880 of ten. However, in cosmology, we're off by a factor of ten 1164 01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:05.159 to the one hundred and twenty that is one with one hundred and twenty zeros 1165 01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:11.560 out there. I think this is the largest mismass between theory and experiment in 1166 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:15.279 the history of science. Dark matter, I could ask what it is, 1167 01:20:15.439 --> 01:20:18.960 and my best answer is, we haven't a clue. We don't know what 1168 01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:24.239 it is. We look out in the universe and eighty five percent of all 1169 01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:28.960 the gravity that's out there has some mysterious unknown source. We add up all 1170 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:31.239 the stars, the galaxies, the planets, the commets, the black holes, 1171 01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:35.319 the dark clouds, everything out there that we can see, touch, 1172 01:20:35.399 --> 01:20:40.239 smell, or taste, and it doesn't add up to give us the gravity 1173 01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:44.319 that we see operating in this universe. So really we should be calling it 1174 01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:47.920 the dark force, because we don't know if it's made of matter. It 1175 01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:53.680 could be a profound misnomer, sending people off in thought directions that might not 1176 01:20:53.840 --> 01:20:58.239 really be the right path. So dark matter is just simply what we call 1177 01:20:58.479 --> 01:21:01.760 this thing about which we know nothing, responsible for eighty five percent of the 1178 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:06.680 gravity of the cosmos. We've known about dark matter since the nineteen thirties. 1179 01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:12.399 Back then it was called missing mass. That's what it was called, because 1180 01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:14.399 yeah, there's got to be some mass. Where is it. We can't 1181 01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:16.359 find it. It's got to be here somewhere, because we got the gravity. 1182 01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:19.199 If you have the gravity, you got to have the mass. Mass 1183 01:21:19.199 --> 01:21:25.079 and gravity go together. It's really dark gravity. Actually we shouldn't call it 1184 01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:30.399 anything. We should call it fred something that has no meaning because we don't 1185 01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:31.840 know what it is to call it, but it has been. It is 1186 01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:39.880 the longest standing unsolved problem in modern astrophysics. Now here's two of your top 1187 01:21:39.920 --> 01:21:45.039 scientists in the world telling you that on cosmology they're off by ten with one 1188 01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:50.159 hundred and twenty zeros beside it. Then they start telling you for our model 1189 01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:56.079 to work, this all this gravity nonsense and spinning and flying things. They 1190 01:21:56.119 --> 01:21:59.600 said, it's got to have a certain amount of gravity, but we don't 1191 01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:02.359 know doesn't have that. What they're saying is that our whole system we've built 1192 01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:05.840 makes no sense to us. It doesn't work. And I will tell you 1193 01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:09.359 why they call it missing mass. The missing mass is called the fermament. 1194 01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:14.399 You're gonna see that in a second. That's what they miscalculate. But I 1195 01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:16.479 want to share you with you this here, and we're gonna skip ahead here. 1196 01:22:17.239 --> 01:22:21.920 I'm talking about this. This is what is called the Hebrew concept of 1197 01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:26.600 the universe. This is what the Bible teaches, all right, and we'll 1198 01:22:26.640 --> 01:22:29.319 get back to this in just a second. But it shows you that this 1199 01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:33.680 is what defirmament is the dome structure over the flat, non rotating earth. 1200 01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:38.039 Hell is beneath, Heaven is above that. God's throne sits on that. 1201 01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:40.720 This is what the Bible teaches. There's all the scriptures around that. We're 1202 01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:45.279 gonna get to that in a second. So more like that. Not that 1203 01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:53.880 in fact, that sphere you're looking at there is. It is a composite 1204 01:22:53.880 --> 01:22:58.800 image. But here's what the Bible says. The Bible describes a solid firmament 1205 01:22:58.800 --> 01:23:00.960 dome covered the flat earth, set on pillars, on a foundation that God 1206 01:23:01.039 --> 01:23:05.600 himself built. Nothing in the Bible describes the earth as a sphere. All 1207 01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:08.479 right, And I'm gonna show you that, and I'm gonna prove that. 1208 01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:12.079 But many Christians ask why does it matter, or just say the issue of 1209 01:23:12.119 --> 01:23:14.720 the nature of creation doesn't matter. I'm gonna tell you why it matters, 1210 01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:17.159 and you're gonna see this now before we get to that wants you to see. 1211 01:23:17.239 --> 01:23:20.039 Jesus said this. This is Matthew twenty four. This is Jesus talking. 1212 01:23:20.119 --> 01:23:25.479 These are in your red letters here. Jesus said that immediately after the 1213 01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:28.279 tribulation of those days, the sun shall be dark and the moon shall not 1214 01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:31.119 give her light. The stars shall fall from heaven. He didn't say meteorites 1215 01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:35.119 comments, he said the stars. It's the same word he used throughout the 1216 01:23:35.119 --> 01:23:38.800 Bible for the stars. Now, either they're stars or they're not stars. 1217 01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:44.119 Now, the heliocentric Copernican model that you guys, some of you want to 1218 01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:46.720 believe in, says that the stars out there a bigger, are massive, 1219 01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:51.079 bigger than the earth. They are huge things that if one fell to the 1220 01:23:51.079 --> 01:23:56.000 earth, it would swallow the earth. So Jesus did not teach a Copernican 1221 01:23:56.079 --> 01:24:00.479 cosmology. He taught a Biblical cosmology, and that the stars are smaller, 1222 01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:08.079 closer, and are going to fall to the earth. Now that's Jesus in 1223 01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:11.960 the Bible. And if you say that it's not the stars, it's some 1224 01:24:12.079 --> 01:24:16.359 meteorites or comments or whatever, you're making up stuff because you are filtering that 1225 01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:20.640 through a bias you've been brainwashed with from birth. All right, the Bible 1226 01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:24.560 says the stars. Now, I was talking to a person who is a 1227 01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:28.640 science teacher who's a strong Christian, and I said, I said, what 1228 01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:30.880 about the stars falling to the Earth? And he goes to Revelation six and 1229 01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:34.199 he says, well, don't you think that's just what John was seeing was 1230 01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:38.479 asteroids and meteorites falling it? What really stars? And I said, well, 1231 01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:41.079 I said, you got a problem with that if you're going to say 1232 01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:44.800 it's just asteroids and meteorites, because Jesus said it was stars. So did 1233 01:24:44.840 --> 01:24:53.319 Jesus know what he was talking about or not. So here's the place that, 1234 01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:59.039 seriously, the Bible does not agree with the cosmology of this world system, 1235 01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:01.119 NASA and a everybody else. And what's amazing to me, let me 1236 01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:05.000 just say this. What's amazing to me is that Christians have tried to mix 1237 01:25:05.119 --> 01:25:13.760 the world system cosmology into Christianity and they don't work. You can't do it. 1238 01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:15.479 And this is proof of that right here. And I'm going to show 1239 01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:18.399 you what the atheists do. Now, let's listen to this. This is 1240 01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:25.079 Neil Degrass Tyson again, one of your top astrophysicists, astronomers. And here's 1241 01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:28.760 what he says about this issue of the stars the Bible, saying the stars 1242 01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:33.600 falling. People who make this case that that was the beginning, and that 1243 01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:39.760 there had to be something that provoked the beginning. Do you give them an 1244 01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:45.079 a at least for trying to reconcile faith and reason. I don't think they're 1245 01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:47.439 reconcilable. What do you mean, Well, well, so let me say 1246 01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:56.760 that differently, All efforts that have been invested by brilliant people of the past 1247 01:25:56.920 --> 01:26:01.000 have failed at that exercise. It just fail. And so I don't The 1248 01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:05.880 track record is so poor that going forward, I have essentially zero confidence, 1249 01:26:06.560 --> 01:26:14.920 near zero confidence that there would be fruitful things to emerge from the effort to 1250 01:26:15.039 --> 01:26:19.239 reconcile them. So, for example, if you knew nothing about science, 1251 01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:25.239 and you read, say the Bible, the Old Testament, which in Genesis 1252 01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:28.760 is an account of nature. That's what that is. And I said to 1253 01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:32.720 you, give me your description of the natural world based only on this, 1254 01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:38.199 you would say the world was created in six days and that stars are just 1255 01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:41.760 little points of light, much lesser than the sun than the fact they can 1256 01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:47.159 fall out of the sky. Right, because that's what happens during during the 1257 01:26:47.199 --> 01:26:51.520 Revelation, one of the signs that the Second Coming is that the stars will 1258 01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:57.159 fall out of the sky and land on Earth. Since even right that means 1259 01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:01.640 you don't know what those things are. You have no concept of what the 1260 01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:08.800 actual universe is. So everybody who tried to make proclamations about the physical universe 1261 01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:15.319 based on Bible passages got the wrong answer. So what happened was when science 1262 01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:18.680 discovers things and you want to stay religious or you want to continue to believe 1263 01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:24.079 that the Bible is unerring, what you would do is you would say, 1264 01:27:24.079 --> 01:27:26.560 well, let me go back to the Bible and reinterpret it. Then you 1265 01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:28.960 say things like, oh, they didn't really mean that literally, they meant 1266 01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:34.680 that figuratively. So this whole sort of reinterpretation of the how figurative the poetic 1267 01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:42.920 passages of the Bible are came after science showed that this is not how things 1268 01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:48.479 unfolded. And so the educative religious people are perfectly fine with that. It's 1269 01:27:48.520 --> 01:27:55.279 the fundamentalists who want to say that the Bible is the literally literal truth of 1270 01:27:55.359 --> 01:28:00.800 God that and want to see the Bible as a science text book who are 1271 01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:05.119 knocking on the science doors of the schools, trying to put that content in 1272 01:28:05.199 --> 01:28:10.560 the size shure. Enlightened religious people are not behaving that way. They say, 1273 01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:13.000 yes, science is cool, We're good with that, and use the 1274 01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:18.439 Bible to get your spiritual enlightenment and your emotional fulfillment. I have known serious 1275 01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:26.720 religious people, not fundamentalists, who were scared when Carl Sagan opened his series 1276 01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:32.720 with the words the cosmos is all it is, or ever was, or 1277 01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:39.680 ever will be. That's scared them because they interpret that to me, then 1278 01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:44.760 if this is it, there's nothing else, no God, and no life 1279 01:28:44.800 --> 01:28:47.359 after for religious people. Many people say, well, God is within you 1280 01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:50.760 or God there are ways that people have shaped this rather than God is an 1281 01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:57.680 old, gray bearded man in the clouds. So if God is within you, 1282 01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:00.960 what I'm sure Karl would say, in you, in your mind, 1283 01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:04.800 in your mind, and we can measure their neurosynaptic Okay, I way, 1284 01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:08.720 It'll move on from here. But you understand, see you say, why 1285 01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:13.359 does it matter? Because people have believed this instead of believing what's God's word 1286 01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:16.199 said, and many people have fallen away, They've walked away. People have 1287 01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:19.680 said, I'm not following God anymore. I'm not even Christian. I watched 1288 01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:28.239 the thing this week where even many Bible scholars are departing because they accept science 1289 01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:32.920 as God. It's like it's infallible instead of trusting God's word. Let me 1290 01:29:32.920 --> 01:29:35.359 tell you, this world is full of lies, folks. I believe they've 1291 01:29:35.399 --> 01:29:39.520 lied about everything. I believe they've lied about the sun, moon, stars, 1292 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:43.600 the whole thing. I can tell you this much. I don't care 1293 01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:45.800 how many people you brought in here. I'm going to stand with what Jesus 1294 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:54.479 said and the way he described it. And what's beautiful about is every now 1295 01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:58.680 and then he gives us the ability to prove it. And I have Joe 1296 01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:00.680 Hanvey here. We may call him a up, but Joe Handy has been 1297 01:30:00.720 --> 01:30:08.119 doing some amazing experiments in photography. He has actually photographed the nebula with the 1298 01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:12.880 stars in front of them, with a with a shadow behind the stars on 1299 01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:18.000 the nebula, showing you it's not what you've been told. Matter of fact, 1300 01:30:18.079 --> 01:30:21.920 NASA artists do most of what you what you think is space and planets 1301 01:30:21.960 --> 01:30:26.640 and all this stuff is NASA artistry. And I have them admitting it. 1302 01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:30.800 Disney God work for Disney, now works for NASA. I'm gonna skip this 1303 01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:36.680 atheist right here. We're gonna now I'm talking about how science can impact Here's 1304 01:30:36.680 --> 01:30:43.239 a story of how science can impact young Christians. And boy do we have 1305 01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:45.600 young Christians falling away from God left and right. And one of the reasons 1306 01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:48.720 is they go to school, they go to college, and they start getting 1307 01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:54.000 taught this stuff that is not the way that the creation, is not the 1308 01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:56.920 way God says, not the way the Bible says, and they fall away, 1309 01:30:56.960 --> 01:31:00.720 and some it's even worse than that, they commit suicide. Jesse Kilgore, 1310 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:02.800 community College student, New York, took his own life when he was 1311 01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:08.399 just twenty two years old. He was raised at a devout evangelical Christian household 1312 01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:12.279 was a firm believer of Christianity until he took a biology class in college, 1313 01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:16.319 which led him to experiencing a crisis of faith. The biology professor also recommended 1314 01:31:16.359 --> 01:31:20.920 Jesse to read The God Delusion, a book written by atheist Richard Dawkins, 1315 01:31:21.800 --> 01:31:27.359 an atheist biologist. As a result reading his book and taking the biology class, 1316 01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:30.920 he learned a lot of things which challenged and contradicted his own beliefs, 1317 01:31:30.279 --> 01:31:39.199 which caused him to abandon his faith and ultimately take his own life. Is 1318 01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:43.359 sad, but it's true, and this is where we are. I could 1319 01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:46.000 give a lot of examples of this. There's more studies, but it says 1320 01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:51.720 right here in a research study on the impacts of science and the discontinuation of 1321 01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:58.720 faith in practicing Christianity and young adults in their observations this is the Center for 1322 01:31:58.760 --> 01:32:02.199 Science and Culture. To this study, they noted that fifty nine to seventy 1323 01:32:02.239 --> 01:32:06.079 percent of students growing up with the Christian background will likely lose their faith or 1324 01:32:06.119 --> 01:32:11.560 abandon their religion by the time they reach college. An example of someone who 1325 01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:15.960 contributes to the statistic is Kyle Simpson, who had a similar story to Jesse. 1326 01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:19.079 Like Jesse, Kyle was raised a Christian, but science changed his mind 1327 01:32:19.159 --> 01:32:23.399 and beliefs when he was in his twenties. Although he did not take his 1328 01:32:23.439 --> 01:32:28.359 own life like Jesse, Kyle decided to discontinue his faith in Christianity. So 1329 01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:30.399 you're gonna tell me it doesn't matter now. I want to say this tonight. 1330 01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:32.640 I want to say hey to our atheist friends. One of the reason 1331 01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:36.840 I'm going down this road is because here we have od Morgan, who has 1332 01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:41.680 about four hundred thousand followers, another guy, the friendly Atheist, who has 1333 01:32:41.680 --> 01:32:45.239 about one hundred thousand. They're all talking about they're going to watch this tonight. 1334 01:32:45.720 --> 01:32:46.880 Well, I'm here to tell you right now. I'm gonna show you 1335 01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:51.439 some fruit that when people have seen the evidence for a flat, geocentric, 1336 01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:58.560 non rotating earth, that many atheists have seen the evidence and come to Jesus 1337 01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:08.960 as their lord and savior. They've come to the faith. And I just 1338 01:33:09.000 --> 01:33:13.000 want to say hey to them, and I appreciate them sharing on their channels 1339 01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:15.680 that we were having this debate and now they're laughing it up. But I 1340 01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:17.079 want to tell you what they don't realize. They're losing a lot of their 1341 01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:24.960 atheist friends over what we can show them they're coming to Jesus. Now let 1342 01:33:24.960 --> 01:33:27.880 me share with you. Let's go this right here now. I want to 1343 01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:30.479 say I put this up because I want everybody here and what I'm gonna read 1344 01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:33.079 this, So many atheists have come to know God, they've come back to 1345 01:33:33.119 --> 01:33:36.800 the Bible, they've come to know Jesus as their Lord and savior. And 1346 01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:40.399 they didn't do it because all of a sudden they just started believing the Bible 1347 01:33:40.399 --> 01:33:44.359 out of the blue or somebody showed them something another lie, or another trick, 1348 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:48.079 or another you know, another fairy tale. So many atheists and scientists 1349 01:33:48.119 --> 01:33:53.079 think that those of us who believe in a geocentric, stationary flat earth only 1350 01:33:53.119 --> 01:33:57.560 came to this belief our religion or crack pop YouTube videos. But that is 1351 01:33:57.640 --> 01:34:00.319 not the case. It was seeing the evidence of real experiments, doing the 1352 01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:06.159 math, making our own conclusions from our own observations about the nature of our 1353 01:34:06.199 --> 01:34:11.640 world that brought most of us to this understanding of creation. For ninety nine 1354 01:34:11.720 --> 01:34:15.159 percent of us, it was after seeing the evidences that we all realized what 1355 01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:19.199 the Bible taught, That the Bible taught these truths all along. And it 1356 01:34:19.279 --> 01:34:24.960 is that journey of examining the evidences that show we do actually live on a 1357 01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:30.560 geocentric, stationary flat earth that has brought many atheist agnostics to faith in the 1358 01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:34.560 Bible and thus finding God Almighty, our Lord Jesus Christ as their creator and 1359 01:34:34.640 --> 01:34:39.159 personal savior. Now I want to show you we're not afraid of science. 1360 01:34:39.239 --> 01:34:44.119 We actually go out with high zoom cameras and telescopes and lasers and actually do 1361 01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:50.479 test in different climate, you know, in different weather, in different conditions 1362 01:34:50.800 --> 01:34:54.039 to see what we can prove, and I'm going to show you some of 1363 01:34:54.079 --> 01:34:57.399 that in a minute, but I want to here's a testimony that. This 1364 01:34:57.439 --> 01:35:03.479 is Paul Logberg from Sweden. He was raised an atheists, became a mechanical 1365 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:09.960 engineer and again looking into some conspiracies and came across flat Earth and he laughed 1366 01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:15.119 at it, and then well you'll hear his story. It's only two minutes. 1367 01:35:16.279 --> 01:35:23.479 I was an atheist thirty nine years, have gone through universities, schooling 1368 01:35:23.840 --> 01:35:30.840 everything. Never had really an interest in God, never really was a God 1369 01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:35.520 hater. But of course I had other issues like idols and stuff, and 1370 01:35:35.720 --> 01:35:42.520 like all atheists have. In Sweden, basically all people are atheists. Eighty 1371 01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:48.279 percent atheists, fifteen percent Muslims nowadays and whatever five percent others. I was 1372 01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:54.760 one of the atheists, of course, Like oh, in twenty eleven, 1373 01:35:54.840 --> 01:35:58.760 I started messying, what is wrong with the world? Why is the world 1374 01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:03.640 going absolutely crazy? Land that flat Earth? Around twenty and fifteen, yes, 1375 01:36:03.720 --> 01:36:08.319 April twenty fifteen. Just laughed it off and you know, okay, 1376 01:36:08.319 --> 01:36:13.359 this is completely crazy. But after a month I looked into it anyway, 1377 01:36:13.720 --> 01:36:16.520 and I thought I got a good laugh, But no, I saw as 1378 01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:21.520 right, Okay, there's no way that it's a ball. And then I 1379 01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:26.680 got interested in know what does the Bible actually say? Oh, if it 1380 01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:30.199 was right about that already from the start, maybe it's right about the other 1381 01:36:30.239 --> 01:36:35.359 parts. Also regarding the endings turned out, yes it was gave my life 1382 01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:42.680 to Christ and twenty and sixteen, and yeah, I didn't look back. 1383 01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:48.680 The world is just so filled with lies. It's actually quite sickening and disturbing. 1384 01:36:48.920 --> 01:36:55.399 But we have one hope that's Jesus and his word, and I'm grateful 1385 01:36:55.439 --> 01:37:00.199 for it. I hope this helps someone take care. God bless bye bye, 1386 01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:04.359 Now. I love this. Paul flew in twenty seventeen, all six 1387 01:37:04.399 --> 01:37:08.760 foot seven of Meim flew all the way from Sweden because he wanted a pastor 1388 01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:15.359 that believed the Bible to baptize him in water. Amen. But he's not 1389 01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:17.640 the only one. This is soaring from Denmark. He actually heads up the 1390 01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:23.119 Denotle Europe page now. But he was a complete atheist. I want you 1391 01:37:23.159 --> 01:37:27.079 to hear his story. How you guys doing. My name is Sorin. 1392 01:37:27.199 --> 01:37:31.920 I'm from Denmark. I used to be an atheist up until twenty fifteen when 1393 01:37:31.960 --> 01:37:39.800 I mockingly began researching flat Earth, and when I had researched that for about 1394 01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:44.199 a year and a half, I came to the realization that we've been lied 1395 01:37:44.239 --> 01:37:48.119 to, that the Earth was in fact a flat stationary plane and not a 1396 01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:54.600 spinning water ball. That opened up the possibility of a creator, which in 1397 01:37:54.640 --> 01:38:00.279 turn shattered my atheism. And while I was researching that creator, I came 1398 01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:06.760 across videos from Pastordine and the late Robskeper, and as I was watching them, 1399 01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:13.000 they were talking about creation, Biblical creation, which matched perfectly the research 1400 01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:18.359 I've been doing and thousands of others on the true shape and nature of creation. 1401 01:38:19.399 --> 01:38:24.319 So my trust in the Bible was restored, where I before didn't have 1402 01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:28.479 any faith. Why trust the Bible when you couldn't even trust page one? 1403 01:38:28.800 --> 01:38:32.039 Now I could trust page one. And as I continued listening to these guys 1404 01:38:33.079 --> 01:38:40.760 their sermons, I began to understand sin, and I understood the Gospel and 1405 01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:44.600 why Jesus had to come and die on the cross for us, which led 1406 01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:49.720 me to true repentance and saving faith in Jesus Christ and his finished work on 1407 01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:56.159 the Cross. And now I am a born again, spirit filled disciple of 1408 01:38:56.239 --> 01:39:02.720 Jesus. Praise be to God. Were thankful that truth in truth sets people 1409 01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:10.840 free. And I'm forever grateful to my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ God. 1410 01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:17.159 Bless y'all. Love from Denmark. Hallelujah. I'm sure Soren's watching right 1411 01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:21.239 now. One more before we move on from this. This is Chelsea. 1412 01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:27.640 She's actually here tonight, and God's done a great thing. It was a 1413 01:39:27.640 --> 01:39:30.680 staunch atheist for about fifteen years, and it was a dark and despairing worldview 1414 01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:34.560 that I wouldn't wish on anyone, but always loved me Wondering what's the point. 1415 01:39:35.319 --> 01:39:39.479 I found this little corner of hope and mystery and the possibility of life 1416 01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:45.520 out there, and I could fill a library with all the Siden inspection that 1417 01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:49.600 I read over the years, trying to fill the voide of atheism enter COVID, 1418 01:39:50.359 --> 01:39:54.319 and like so many others, I ask myself, what else are they 1419 01:39:54.399 --> 01:39:59.079 lying about? And it turns out the answer is everything. It turns out 1420 01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:02.039 the world is run by a bunch of Satan loving liars who have a sooba 1421 01:40:02.119 --> 01:40:06.119 bosil that we don't even know where we are. It turns out that we've 1422 01:40:06.119 --> 01:40:11.159 been living in their science fiction. You see, when you tell a story 1423 01:40:11.199 --> 01:40:15.960 that begins with something exploding out of nothing at a aajillion years and the whole 1424 01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:17.720 lot of chance. You don't need God for that story to make sense. 1425 01:40:18.920 --> 01:40:23.479 In fact, you have to do some disingenuous gymnastics to write God into that 1426 01:40:23.520 --> 01:40:27.039 story. But if you see that we're really living in something like a cosmic 1427 01:40:27.079 --> 01:40:30.880 terrarium, you can't avoid the conclusion that we're in somebody's terrarium. Try to 1428 01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:34.560 write God out of that story, and dare you? So there's only a 1429 01:40:34.560 --> 01:40:39.520 few short steps for me from the mind blowing realization of the flat earth to 1430 01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:44.079 the God of the Bible. I thought, okay, there really isn't any 1431 01:40:44.119 --> 01:40:48.199 evidence to support the helocentric glode model short of CGI. But why would they 1432 01:40:48.199 --> 01:40:54.399 construct a lie at that scale? And how the biblical worldview is the only 1433 01:40:54.439 --> 01:40:58.600 worldview that can truly make sense of that level of deception, the level of 1434 01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:02.000 deception that is multiple generations into believing that we're on a spinning water ball on 1435 01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:10.319 the vacuum when everything in our experience screams the opposite. That little deception demands 1436 01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:14.119 that we confront the existence of evil, because that's what their science fiction is 1437 01:41:14.159 --> 01:41:17.359 and that's its purpose. People ask me, what does it matter, what 1438 01:41:17.439 --> 01:41:21.399 shakier it is, Well, the truth always matters. No lie is benign. 1439 01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:26.680 But I'd ask them, would they construct such a massive lie for no 1440 01:41:26.720 --> 01:41:31.159 reason? No way. This massive lie has an equally massive purpose from beginning 1441 01:41:31.199 --> 01:41:35.640 to end. It's the very foundation of the scientific worldview that aims to make 1442 01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:40.840 God irrelevant, and I'd bet the farm that it plays a critical role in 1443 01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:45.439 the great deception of the times I had in my experience. Had I not 1444 01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:47.880 come to the truth of creation, I can't imagine what else would have not 1445 01:41:47.880 --> 01:41:53.119 only shaken me from my atheism but also brought me to the truth of God's 1446 01:41:53.159 --> 01:41:57.640 word. I'd heard the gospel I grew up in the Bible belt, but 1447 01:41:57.680 --> 01:42:00.560 I could not reconcile that worldview with the one that I had already implicitly accepted, 1448 01:42:00.920 --> 01:42:04.760 which told me that the world is a meaningless accident. I had to 1449 01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:11.520 first understand that the very foundation their supposedly scientific creation story is a lie before 1450 01:42:11.520 --> 01:42:15.279 I could come to the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. At the 1451 01:42:15.359 --> 01:42:18.880 end of the day, I think the inherent cynicism of the heliocentric universe that 1452 01:42:18.960 --> 01:42:25.119 exploded from nothing is fundamentally incompatible with the Gospel of Jesus. Do you really 1453 01:42:25.159 --> 01:42:29.159 think that our creator, who's so personal that he offered himself as a sacrifice 1454 01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:32.760 that we may be redeemed, matches up with some behind the scenes intelligent designer 1455 01:42:33.439 --> 01:42:38.039 and had a veiled hand behind a big bang. It created an ever explaining 1456 01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:43.319 universe where there's no such thing as up or down. I don't. I 1457 01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:46.239 believe we are very carefully, intentionally and lovingly placed in a world. This 1458 01:42:46.319 --> 01:42:49.279 is not just some random peace of a vast creation, but it's the very 1459 01:42:49.319 --> 01:42:55.119 heart of creation itself. I believe that He is not in heaven we vaguely 1460 01:42:55.119 --> 01:43:00.840 imagine as somewhere else, that his throne is just right above us. He 1461 01:43:00.880 --> 01:43:04.159 has invested in us, that much the Bible makes clear. And so I 1462 01:43:04.159 --> 01:43:14.239 pray that you reject the lie that what have you believe otherwise? Now? 1463 01:43:14.479 --> 01:43:18.760 Literally, in my book, like Clay under the Seal, I have one 1464 01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:26.279 chapter dedicated to atheists come to Jesus, and it's testimony after testimony, and 1465 01:43:26.560 --> 01:43:28.800 just for the sake of time, I'm not going to read them all here. 1466 01:43:29.840 --> 01:43:33.239 But you see, I could do this. I could do this for 1467 01:43:33.279 --> 01:43:38.800 two hours on atheists that have come to Jesus because of understanding and seeing the 1468 01:43:38.840 --> 01:43:44.439 evidence for a flat, stationary, geocentric, non rotating flat earth, as 1469 01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:48.479 our government documents want to say. I'm gonna speak through this. I want 1470 01:43:48.520 --> 01:43:53.199 to say this. These are reasons people that people believe that we live on 1471 01:43:53.199 --> 01:43:56.880 a spinning ball or sphere orbiting the Sun in an ever expanding universe. These 1472 01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:59.960 are really the main reasons the boat's disappearing from the bottom up when we say 1473 01:44:00.039 --> 01:44:02.800 that doesn't happen pictures from space. We found out that that's a lot of 1474 01:44:02.800 --> 01:44:08.159 fakery. Fish eye lends photography that creates a fake curve all the time, 1475 01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:11.840 the alleged shadow of the Earth of the moon surface during the lunar eclipse. 1476 01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:15.359 That's easy to deal with folk cots pendulum. I mentioned that earlier Arrastnothenes, 1477 01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:20.319 who probably didn't even exist, But his experiment works on a flat plane with 1478 01:44:20.319 --> 01:44:25.319 a close sun exactly, so there's no sense in that using that as an 1479 01:44:25.399 --> 01:44:28.359 argument. Circumnavigation, you can go around your neighborhood, or you can go 1480 01:44:28.399 --> 01:44:30.720 around a sphere. You can do it either way and end up back in 1481 01:44:30.760 --> 01:44:34.800 the same place. And satellites and GPS I have a great deal about what 1482 01:44:34.920 --> 01:44:42.560 those are from, not only declassified government documents, but just available documents and 1483 01:44:42.640 --> 01:44:45.319 of course grandiose scientific explanations. Now I'm just going to show you this. 1484 01:44:45.520 --> 01:44:48.600 Of course we've all seen this. If the boat went over a curve, 1485 01:44:48.640 --> 01:44:55.239 there'd be no way to bring it back. But as you see, when 1486 01:44:55.279 --> 01:44:59.279 you zoom in, the boat's there. Now, if it's over a curve, 1487 01:44:59.359 --> 01:45:01.640 you can't see it. Nothing would enable you to see that boat. 1488 01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:06.680 But I don't care how powerful your zoom. But when you zoom in, 1489 01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:12.239 it's the horizon's empty, and you zoom in and the boat's there. They're 1490 01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:15.880 not disappearing over a curve. They're just getting out of our ability to see 1491 01:45:15.880 --> 01:45:18.760 it. So that is another disco. Here's the video. Actually hear about 1492 01:45:18.800 --> 01:45:24.439 perspective. There's a guy walking away and notice that this feat are disappearing. 1493 01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:31.039 Then those up the seas and up to year twey. He's walking on to 1494 01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:34.560 play football. Job. I want to disappearing from the ball, you know, 1495 01:45:34.680 --> 01:45:39.840 the wood grasses, all these buds. I always want to the boat 1496 01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:44.640 go up for nobody. They still safety, and then I can't believe that 1497 01:45:44.680 --> 01:45:53.840 they don't know me. I think the intention to your seat when you see 1498 01:45:54.000 --> 01:46:04.000 something that that's how are you are? And of course here's a so you're 1499 01:46:04.039 --> 01:46:06.880 telling me you can drag that ship back over the curve of that the little 1500 01:46:06.920 --> 01:46:10.800 telescope there. Now, I don't have time to go through. I'm gonna 1501 01:46:10.800 --> 01:46:15.000 just run through these very quickly. But we know that we've caught them photoshopping 1502 01:46:15.159 --> 01:46:18.760 clouds and stuff. They create these images of Earth. They're not real pictures. 1503 01:46:19.960 --> 01:46:24.199 Even the guy who did the blue Marble says it's photoshop because it has 1504 01:46:24.279 --> 01:46:30.279 to be. I mean, it's ridiculous. NASA artists do the pictures of 1505 01:46:30.319 --> 01:46:34.199 the world. This is just this. Here's here's two pictures they tell us 1506 01:46:34.199 --> 01:46:38.960 are from space of the Earth. I want y'all to look at North America. 1507 01:46:39.560 --> 01:46:43.119 Which one is correct? Because the one on the one there, the 1508 01:46:43.159 --> 01:46:45.960 big one, seems like North America's taking up the big section of the ball 1509 01:46:45.960 --> 01:46:50.239 there, much bigger than it really is. So we we get these kind 1510 01:46:50.279 --> 01:46:54.239 of things and they want us to trust them, but it's just impossible. 1511 01:46:56.920 --> 01:47:00.640 Here's where they faked the Uh. The big picture we had for years was 1512 01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:04.399 Apollo seventeen and Apollo seventeen they said, you know, they're at the moon 1513 01:47:04.439 --> 01:47:06.800 two hundred and forty thousand miles away, they can see the whole earth. 1514 01:47:06.840 --> 01:47:11.159 But look, they only got a picture of that little circle there. They 1515 01:47:11.239 --> 01:47:14.359 didn't get the whole lit side of the earth. So it proves that they 1516 01:47:14.399 --> 01:47:19.920 weren't high enough to get it. That they faked it. Finally, the 1517 01:47:20.039 --> 01:47:23.760 element that seals their things. And this is the way they faked that. 1518 01:47:23.800 --> 01:47:26.279 I'm not even gonna play it. You can go this. Go watch a 1519 01:47:26.279 --> 01:47:29.600 funny thing happen on the way to the moon. Bart Sembrel. He shows 1520 01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:30.840 the picture footage. How many you want to see it? Y'all want to 1521 01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:32.920 see it real quick? All right, I'll back them and show you just 1522 01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:36.600 so you know you can't trust them. Here we go, I'll play it. 1523 01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:44.399 Finally, the element that seals their things. Of all the footage of 1524 01:47:44.439 --> 01:47:49.439 Apollo eleven requested from NASA over a five year period, one gem was discovered 1525 01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:58.079 just before the completion of this documentary, an old real received Bumpstink. It 1526 01:47:58.159 --> 01:48:03.640 contains the raw footage of the crew of Apollo eleven, Michael Collins, Edwin 1527 01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:10.079 Aldrin Junior, and Neil Armstrong staging part of their mission for nearly an hour 1528 01:48:10.680 --> 01:48:16.600 in living color with exceptionally clear behind the scenes audio of conversations discussing the techniques 1529 01:48:16.760 --> 01:48:23.880 used to achieve a disingenuous picture depicting the Earth at a distance in order to 1530 01:48:23.920 --> 01:48:29.359 falsely demonstrate their far journey from it and their ability to survive passing through the 1531 01:48:29.439 --> 01:48:34.560 Van Allen radiation belts. It cannot be misconstrued that this staging was done for 1532 01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:39.920 some other reason prior to the mission. For the real itself is slated and 1533 01:48:40.039 --> 01:48:45.119 dated July eighteenth, nineteenth and twentieth, nineteen sixty nine, the very days 1534 01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:49.479 of the mission when they were said to be approp again. The illusion they 1535 01:48:49.479 --> 01:48:55.520 are attempting to create is the Earth at a distance to demonstrate their far journey 1536 01:48:55.520 --> 01:48:59.920 from it and their ability to survive passing through the Van Allen radiation belts. 1537 01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:05.439 Understand true, but only about twenty seconds of this raw footage was ever broadcast 1538 01:49:05.479 --> 01:49:11.920 to the public, and these conversations discussing their deception were believed to be private 1539 01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:18.880 until now here they discussed that these television transmissions were in fact not broadcast live 1540 01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:26.399 as everyone believed. They were first screened and edited for playback later. All 1541 01:49:26.479 --> 01:49:30.880 Right, Awaken Pity, Mary and Winn could play back weak to Carlie, 1542 01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:34.319 what were they? Thank you. Then here they discussed the fact that they 1543 01:49:34.319 --> 01:49:39.800 have turned out the lights and have blocked out sunlight from entering the spacecraft through 1544 01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:44.960 the other windows as to not cause any reflected light to fall onto the spacecraft's 1545 01:49:45.000 --> 01:49:51.760 wall in the foreground. Okay, very good, wowy that though luck and 1546 01:49:51.880 --> 01:50:00.039 away up number one went on and many reflected lights. The reason that this 1547 01:50:00.279 --> 01:50:02.560 was done is so that the truth of the matter would not be revealed. 1548 01:50:03.399 --> 01:50:08.760 It is this. Though the federal government would have you believe that this is 1549 01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:12.760 a view of Earth from a distance out of the spacecraft's window as it nears 1550 01:50:12.760 --> 01:50:16.800 the Moon, it is not. What they have ingeniously done is placed the 1551 01:50:16.840 --> 01:50:21.560 camera at the back of the spacecraft and centered the lens on a circular window 1552 01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:27.199 in the foreground, outside of which it is completely filled with the Earth in 1553 01:50:27.279 --> 01:50:31.600 low orbit. The circumference of the window then appears to be the diameter of 1554 01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:36.119 the Earth at a distance, with the darkened walls of the spacecraft appearing to 1555 01:50:36.159 --> 01:50:41.279 be the blackness of space around it. That is why they wanted the interior 1556 01:50:41.359 --> 01:50:46.079 dark and blocked out the sun from entering through the other windows. Here you 1557 01:50:46.079 --> 01:50:51.279 can see the extruded window, probably two inches thick at the bottom. This 1558 01:50:51.359 --> 01:50:56.520 is because the earth shine is coming in at a downward angle. It also 1559 01:50:56.720 --> 01:51:00.600 causes the Earth to appear to be an irregularly shaped for you are seeing the 1560 01:51:00.640 --> 01:51:04.439 outside of the window at the bottom and the inside of the window at the 1561 01:51:04.479 --> 01:51:10.960 top, which together formed two different sized halves of a circle. Subsequently, 1562 01:51:11.279 --> 01:51:16.000 this take was never used as they perfected the shot. A crescent shaped piece 1563 01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:20.680 of black material was in set slightly into the window to create the illusion of 1564 01:51:20.720 --> 01:51:29.479 the Earth's terminator line dividing night and day. It is uncannily convincing. During 1565 01:51:29.560 --> 01:51:33.399 this segment intended to be edited and played back later for the worldwide television audience, 1566 01:51:33.880 --> 01:51:40.920 dated July eighteenth, nineteen sixty nine, Neil Armstrong condemns himself as he 1567 01:51:41.000 --> 01:51:45.840 states that he is one hundred and thirty thousand miles out or halfway to the 1568 01:51:45.880 --> 01:51:49.720 Moon, as the NASSA flight log also states on this date, when he 1569 01:51:49.840 --> 01:52:00.640 is in reality in low Earth orbit of a few hundred miles a mile out 1570 01:52:02.279 --> 01:52:09.319 here. During another segment also intended to air after review, Neil Armstrong falsely 1571 01:52:09.359 --> 01:52:14.000 explains to the viewers how the shot is attained by putting the camera's lens to 1572 01:52:14.039 --> 01:52:17.239 the windows glass, as it would have to be if they were acclaimed distance 1573 01:52:17.279 --> 01:52:23.399 away from the earth. We only had one window that had a view of 1574 01:52:23.439 --> 01:52:27.439 the Earth, and it was filled up with the d error. If the 1575 01:52:27.479 --> 01:52:31.239 window was completely filled up with a TV camera, as he stated, then 1576 01:52:31.279 --> 01:52:35.000 an astronaut's arm would not be able to get between the camera and the window, 1577 01:52:35.319 --> 01:52:44.199 as it obviously does here in this outtake America the company on the terminator 1578 01:52:44.319 --> 01:52:50.640 or get you can also notice how the astronaut operating the camera reacted to the 1579 01:52:50.680 --> 01:52:55.760 mistake by attempting to pan away from it. All right, I'm going to 1580 01:52:55.880 --> 01:52:58.840 end that. You guys see, we can't This is why we can't trust 1581 01:52:58.840 --> 01:53:01.119 their picture. Finally, but I'm gonna go on. I want to go 1582 01:53:01.159 --> 01:53:04.239 through all this. I could go through all the fakery. They were using 1583 01:53:04.319 --> 01:53:09.800 fish eye lenses and all the way in the sixties. I need to get 1584 01:53:09.800 --> 01:53:16.960 to the Bible stuff. I can give you this proof all day long right 1585 01:53:17.000 --> 01:53:23.520 here. What things really are high altitude balloons, that's what satellites are. 1586 01:53:23.520 --> 01:53:30.239 We're gonna go down through all of this stuff. I'm gonna go that's what 1587 01:53:30.279 --> 01:53:32.000 they say is out there. You never see those satellites and debris out there 1588 01:53:32.039 --> 01:53:38.279 though in the ISS flyover feeds. But here we go. Let's get to 1589 01:53:38.319 --> 01:53:41.800 this, y'all. See. I had a lot of slides. There's long 1590 01:53:41.840 --> 01:53:45.439 distance photography of Chicago sixty miles. You shouldn't be able to see any of 1591 01:53:45.439 --> 01:53:48.399 it, all right, I can't do it all. I'm getting to the 1592 01:53:48.399 --> 01:53:51.800 Bible because I know we're out of time. All this stuff's on my website, 1593 01:53:51.800 --> 01:53:58.000 folks. Then the Sevenfold Doctrine of Creation series. This is our own 1594 01:53:58.079 --> 01:54:01.640 test. I can show you we saw spools sitting on the dock e eleven 1595 01:54:01.680 --> 01:54:09.439 miles away. That's my film right there, at eleven miles away, spools 1596 01:54:09.439 --> 01:54:12.680 sitting on the dock. This Earth's not curved. I can tell you that 1597 01:54:12.800 --> 01:54:15.640 right now. You can go with us and we can show you see. 1598 01:54:15.720 --> 01:54:26.319 Let me zoom out at eleven miles there should be a seven story building bulge 1599 01:54:26.359 --> 01:54:30.640 blocking my view of what's sitting on the dock in the Alabama State Docks there. 1600 01:54:31.279 --> 01:54:36.479 Now, let's keep going. I've done shots. We've catched cars going 1601 01:54:36.520 --> 01:54:42.319 across bridges at thirteen fourteen miles away. We know the height of them and 1602 01:54:42.359 --> 01:54:47.760 everything. So we've done our own experiments, and we've had PhDs and physics, 1603 01:54:47.800 --> 01:54:54.600 we've had engineers, we've had army officers. Just let you see, 1604 01:54:54.600 --> 01:54:58.039 I'm going through them quick here. I'm gonna get to the Bible. Stuff. 1605 01:54:58.279 --> 01:55:03.800 Had two hundred and forty four slides. Y'all, scientists proved that Kansas 1606 01:55:03.920 --> 01:55:09.840 is flatter than a pancake all the way across. All right, let's go 1607 01:55:09.880 --> 01:55:12.960 here. We're to the Bible. Let me do this, all right, 1608 01:55:13.039 --> 01:55:15.800 so we go back to the genesis. I'm gonna go through the Bible as 1609 01:55:15.840 --> 01:55:18.039 quickly as I can on this stuff. In the beginning, God created the 1610 01:55:18.039 --> 01:55:20.520 heavens of the earth, and the earth was out form and void. Darkness 1611 01:55:20.560 --> 01:55:24.000 was upon the face of the deep, and the spirit of God moved upon 1612 01:55:24.000 --> 01:55:27.000 the face of the waters. And God said, let there be light. 1613 01:55:27.039 --> 01:55:28.880 And there was light. And God saw the light that it was good. 1614 01:55:28.880 --> 01:55:30.760 And God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light day 1615 01:55:30.760 --> 01:55:33.279 in the darkness, he called night in the evening in the morning with the 1616 01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:36.119 first day. Now, I want you to notice something. He uses the 1617 01:55:36.199 --> 01:55:41.319 term here first of all the waters. One thing we know about water, 1618 01:55:41.439 --> 01:55:45.359 it always finds its level. We use levels to build buildings, and to 1619 01:55:45.439 --> 01:55:48.359 keep them level. And the term face is a term, it's a geometry 1620 01:55:48.439 --> 01:55:51.560 term, it's a math term. And to use the term face of the 1621 01:55:51.600 --> 01:55:56.319 earth and face of the waters is used multiple times, many times in the 1622 01:55:56.359 --> 01:56:00.319 Bible. And what does the face mean? An individual flat surface of a 1623 01:56:00.359 --> 01:56:03.199 solid object. But even if you want to argue that, I can tell 1624 01:56:03.239 --> 01:56:06.720 you that you look at and you go out and you see like a pond 1625 01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:11.119 or a lake, and you see this perfect reflection upon it, That perfect 1626 01:56:11.119 --> 01:56:15.520 reflection, that mirror reflection that you're seeing cannot happen on a curve surface, 1627 01:56:15.600 --> 01:56:19.399 only on a flat one. Let's keep going here. Here's the key though, 1628 01:56:19.800 --> 01:56:26.279 Here's what most ministers and even the so called creation ministries get wrong is 1629 01:56:26.319 --> 01:56:29.439 this issue is what is the firmament? What does the Bible teach about it? 1630 01:56:30.199 --> 01:56:31.520 God said, let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, 1631 01:56:31.520 --> 01:56:34.039 that let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the 1632 01:56:34.079 --> 01:56:38.680 firmament and divided the waters which were under the ferment from the waters which were 1633 01:56:38.720 --> 01:56:42.319 above the ferment. And God called the firmament heaven. I'm going to break 1634 01:56:42.319 --> 01:56:44.840 this down as fast as I can for you. He talks about the open 1635 01:56:44.920 --> 01:56:48.600 firmament of heaven, our atmosphere with a bird's fly. The Bible teaches that 1636 01:56:48.680 --> 01:56:53.319 the firmaments that he's talking about here, that he calls heaven is a solid 1637 01:56:53.439 --> 01:56:58.800 crystalline structure that supports waters above it. That is called heaven. And then 1638 01:56:58.880 --> 01:57:01.239 there is the third heaven where the throne of God is all right, that's 1639 01:57:01.279 --> 01:57:04.840 your three heavens, not some outer space, not some expanse. In fact, 1640 01:57:04.880 --> 01:57:11.079 the most disingenuous and the most dishonest definition of this word is to call 1641 01:57:11.119 --> 01:57:14.079 it some empty expanse. That is not how it's defined. That is not 1642 01:57:14.239 --> 01:57:17.640 how Moses and Joshua and everyone believed what it was, even Josephus. I 1643 01:57:17.640 --> 01:57:21.159 want to show you that we got to let the Bible interpret the Bible. 1644 01:57:21.199 --> 01:57:26.279 When you talk about what is the firmament? Right, we know that God 1645 01:57:26.359 --> 01:57:30.399 said here Genesis one, sixteen seven, about the firmat divided the waters from 1646 01:57:30.439 --> 01:57:33.199 the waters. The flood happened here. And it says that there were three 1647 01:57:33.199 --> 01:57:36.880 things in six hundred year of Noah's life. In the second month, the 1648 01:57:36.920 --> 01:57:41.079 seventeenth day of the month, the same day where all the fountains of the 1649 01:57:41.079 --> 01:57:44.680 Great Deep were broken up that's one. And the windows of Heaven were open. 1650 01:57:44.840 --> 01:57:46.840 That's two. And God remembered Noah. And this was at the end 1651 01:57:46.840 --> 01:57:49.279 of the flood, and all the cattle that was with him, and God 1652 01:57:49.359 --> 01:57:53.960 made wind to pass over the earth, and the waters were assuaged for the 1653 01:57:53.960 --> 01:57:56.880 fountains of the Great Deep, and the windows of Heaven were stopped, and 1654 01:57:57.000 --> 01:58:00.760 the rain. So you had the fountains of the Deep, the windows of 1655 01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:03.399 Heaven which opened to let that water in that was from above, and then 1656 01:58:03.439 --> 01:58:08.319 you also had rain. Anybody that says it was just rain is not being 1657 01:58:08.319 --> 01:58:11.560 honest with the scriptures. As that fact, we had three sources of water 1658 01:58:11.640 --> 01:58:15.199 at the flood. What Christians believe for many years was a thing called the 1659 01:58:15.239 --> 01:58:18.720 canopy theory. Doctor Carlball taught it, others taught it, where they said 1660 01:58:18.720 --> 01:58:25.119 that the firmament was a vapor canopy that was around the Earth that condensed and 1661 01:58:25.159 --> 01:58:29.800 then flooded the earth and thus doing away with the firmament. The problem with 1662 01:58:29.840 --> 01:58:34.199 that is the Bible proves that wrong, that the firmament collapsed as a canopy, 1663 01:58:35.439 --> 01:58:40.920 because thirteen hundred and fifty years after the flood, the Holy Spirit moved 1664 01:58:40.920 --> 01:58:44.640 on David to say praise him, Ye heavens, and ye waters that be 1665 01:58:44.720 --> 01:58:47.560 above the heaven. Let them praise his name, or praise the name of 1666 01:58:47.560 --> 01:58:50.840 the Lord. For he commanded and they were created. He hath established them 1667 01:58:50.840 --> 01:58:57.000 forever and ever. He hath made a decree which shall not pass. So 1668 01:58:57.079 --> 01:59:01.760 anybody that says that the firmament or was condensed vapor canopy that disappeared is not 1669 01:59:01.800 --> 01:59:08.680 true. We have thirteen hundred and fifty years later, he's telling us the 1670 01:59:08.720 --> 01:59:15.880 waters are still above the heavens. The Hebrew word for firmament is the Hebrew 1671 01:59:15.960 --> 01:59:20.680 word rokia. It has a root word. Almost all Hebrew words have a 1672 01:59:20.720 --> 01:59:25.800 three letter root word, so you have Rokia is the word for firmament, 1673 01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:30.039 and the root word is raka. All right, here's the definition of these 1674 01:59:30.079 --> 01:59:36.159 words according to not only what the Hebrew meant, but also what they believed. 1675 01:59:36.319 --> 01:59:40.520 And so we have to see how God uses it. But firmament rokia 1676 01:59:40.600 --> 01:59:44.960 does not mean an empty expanse. Anybody tells you that the firmament or rokia 1677 01:59:45.079 --> 01:59:50.039 means empty expanse, Like doctor Danny Faulkner of Answers in Genesis, he will 1678 01:59:50.039 --> 01:59:54.119 say it's an empty expanse that the firmament is out of space. He is 1679 01:59:54.159 --> 01:59:59.000 not being true to the definition of the Hebrew word. Literally, it says 1680 01:59:59.039 --> 02:00:01.960 it is an expansion of plates broad plates beaten out. So it's literally the 1681 02:00:01.960 --> 02:00:06.239 word means taking something that's solid and beating it into a shape. Okay, 1682 02:00:06.920 --> 02:00:13.000 that's the definition of the word. The verb raka acquires the sense of beating 1683 02:00:13.039 --> 02:00:16.600 out precious metals, spreading that out in results to spread over to overlay. 1684 02:00:17.000 --> 02:00:20.680 All right, he goes on here, of course, this is the brown 1685 02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:28.199 driver Briggs. It says extended surface solid expanse as beaten out, not an 1686 02:00:28.199 --> 02:00:33.000 empty expanse, but expanding something that's solid over something. That's the picture of 1687 02:00:33.039 --> 02:00:39.039 this word and the Hebrews, the ancient Israelites believed that it was solid, 1688 02:00:39.039 --> 02:00:42.399 The firmament was a solid structure and called it the vault of heaven. So 1689 02:00:42.479 --> 02:00:45.920 here's your definition. The vault of heaven or firmament regarded by the Hebrews as 1690 02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:53.439 solid and supporting the waters above. This is what all of the ancient Jews 1691 02:00:53.479 --> 02:01:01.640 believed, because they believe the Bible. Man, they believed it about the 1692 02:01:01.640 --> 02:01:08.039 firmament. Here is another lexicon Jcinius Hebrew calty lexicon defines rocky like this, 1693 02:01:08.680 --> 02:01:12.960 the firmament of heaven spread out like a hemisphere above the earth, like a 1694 02:01:13.039 --> 02:01:18.399 splendid, pellucid, translucently clear, transparent, crystalline glassy, allowing the maximum 1695 02:01:18.479 --> 02:01:25.640 passage of light as glass sapphire stone, to which the stars were supposed to 1696 02:01:25.680 --> 02:01:29.279 be fixed, and over which the Hebrews believe that there was a heavenly ocean. 1697 02:01:29.880 --> 02:01:33.319 Now this is another lexicon, defining it as they believe it, as 1698 02:01:33.359 --> 02:01:38.840 the Bible spells it out, not as new Copernican Christians want to believe it 1699 02:01:38.880 --> 02:01:43.880 is to be. Now, let's keep going, says. Additionally, Hebrew 1700 02:01:43.960 --> 02:01:46.520 scholars believe again when they translated, you know, in two hundred and fifty 1701 02:01:46.560 --> 02:01:51.760 BC, they translated the Hebrew Old Testament into from Hebrew to Greek. That 1702 02:01:51.880 --> 02:01:56.920 was called a Subtuagt version. Around two to fifty BC, when they translated 1703 02:01:56.960 --> 02:02:00.479 the word firmament, they used the word stereoma, all right. And when 1704 02:02:00.479 --> 02:02:04.960 they use the word stereoma, that is known word. There's Greek lexifi lexicon 1705 02:02:05.000 --> 02:02:10.720 defines stereoma that which has been made firm, the firmament, the arch of 1706 02:02:10.760 --> 02:02:15.319 the sky, which in early times was thought to be solid, a fortified 1707 02:02:15.399 --> 02:02:18.199 place. Do you hear that? So the word they translated, so you're 1708 02:02:18.239 --> 02:02:24.359 gonna tell me Hebrew scholars translating the Bible from Hebrew and the Greek scholars translating 1709 02:02:24.399 --> 02:02:28.079 it to make it. They just decided, No, we should pick a 1710 02:02:28.119 --> 02:02:30.640 thin vapor or some kind of gas. No, they said something that's firm, 1711 02:02:30.720 --> 02:02:34.439 that's solid. Again, this is what the scriptures teach. Now let's 1712 02:02:34.479 --> 02:02:41.399 keep going because there's more. Here's the uh. It says an strong extended 1713 02:02:41.399 --> 02:02:45.399 surface expanse beat. Now just show you that it's it's multiple lexicons. Now 1714 02:02:45.399 --> 02:02:50.119 here's Job thirty seven eighteen. Now this is gonna show you. Now this 1715 02:02:50.159 --> 02:02:55.000 may not be technically God speaking, but this is one of the wise men 1716 02:02:55.039 --> 02:02:57.439 of the East that were Job's friends, and this is what they believe. 1717 02:02:57.520 --> 02:03:00.199 This is showing you what he believed. He said to Joe hast thou with 1718 02:03:00.359 --> 02:03:04.880 him spread out the sky which is strong and as a molten looking glass. 1719 02:03:05.560 --> 02:03:09.079 So what this proves you can say, what I wasn't God talking, but 1720 02:03:09.159 --> 02:03:12.479 this is what they believed. And that why did they believe it? Because 1721 02:03:12.520 --> 02:03:15.760 they believed the Bible. They believed what God had already revealed to them. 1722 02:03:16.079 --> 02:03:20.119 But let's keep going here is it that way? Now? The Hebrew word 1723 02:03:20.199 --> 02:03:25.800 for spread out there is raca. Now here's the definition of raca, and 1724 02:03:25.800 --> 02:03:29.000 you need to We're gonna come back to this in a minute. The definition 1725 02:03:29.079 --> 02:03:32.239 of raca means to pound the earth or as a sign of passion, to 1726 02:03:32.439 --> 02:03:38.920 expand by hammering, by implication, to overlay with sheets of metal, to 1727 02:03:39.039 --> 02:03:44.079 make braad, to spread abroad into place, to stamp. Oh, somebody 1728 02:03:44.119 --> 02:03:48.520 says, stamp or like a seal pressed down. This is what a stamp 1729 02:03:48.600 --> 02:03:53.720 is. He says, this, that's what this word rock is. Now 1730 02:03:53.800 --> 02:03:59.359 let's look at the ancient Josephus the historian. Now many believe that Josephus was 1731 02:03:59.399 --> 02:04:02.199 also of a pre priestley line, that he was a priest and a pharisee. 1732 02:04:02.520 --> 02:04:09.119 So he was well acquainted with what the Jews believed about creation. And 1733 02:04:09.159 --> 02:04:12.439 this is what he said about the firmament. He said, and this is 1734 02:04:12.479 --> 02:04:15.560 in book one entitled the Constitution of the World and the Deposition and Disposition of 1735 02:04:15.560 --> 02:04:20.920 the Elements. Josephus the first born in the first century, but crossed over 1736 02:04:21.000 --> 02:04:25.800 into the second century. He said, after this, on the second day, 1737 02:04:25.840 --> 02:04:29.800 he God placed the heaven over the whole world, separated it from other 1738 02:04:29.880 --> 02:04:31.920 parts, and he determined that it should stand by itself. He's talking about 1739 02:04:31.960 --> 02:04:34.800 the firmament here, that God placed it over the whole earth, and that 1740 02:04:34.880 --> 02:04:39.520 it stands by itself. In fact, in architecture, an arch is the 1741 02:04:39.560 --> 02:04:45.279 strongest structure that you can build. And it also must be strong because it 1742 02:04:45.319 --> 02:04:50.399 supports a lot of water. And he says here that he placed this firmament 1743 02:04:50.479 --> 02:04:57.880 the crystalline nose. He says, crystal crystalline firmament round it and together in 1744 02:04:57.920 --> 02:05:00.640 agreement and agreeable to the earth, and fitted it for the giving of moisture 1745 02:05:00.760 --> 02:05:04.239 and rain and for the affording advantages of dews. On the fourth day, 1746 02:05:04.239 --> 02:05:08.439 he adorned the heaven with the sun, Moon and the stars and appointed them 1747 02:05:08.479 --> 02:05:13.800 their courses. So this right here, Josephus is teaching a true biblical Hebrew 1748 02:05:13.840 --> 02:05:16.680 cosmology because as God placed the firmament over the earth, he says, the 1749 02:05:16.720 --> 02:05:20.199 Sun, Moon, and stars are in that firmament, and they all move 1750 02:05:20.239 --> 02:05:24.600 in a circuit. So he's teaching the Sun moves, the Moon moves, 1751 02:05:24.680 --> 02:05:28.680 the Earth moves. I mean the stars, sun and the moon, but 1752 02:05:28.720 --> 02:05:33.199 not the Earth. You understand this is what the Jews taught and believed. 1753 02:05:33.840 --> 02:05:38.439 All right, now, let's keep going. Does the Bible say more about 1754 02:05:38.479 --> 02:05:42.199 this? And basically, God made a terrarium. This is the longest lasting 1755 02:05:42.279 --> 02:05:45.479 terrarium in the world. You put the right things in a terrarium, guess 1756 02:05:45.520 --> 02:05:50.199 what things flourish, They live forever. It's a beautiful structure that God made. 1757 02:05:51.199 --> 02:05:54.720 Now let's go to this. We need confirmation. We'll go to the 1758 02:05:54.720 --> 02:05:58.239 firmaent is it crystal? What is it? So? Ezekiel's talking about it 1759 02:05:58.319 --> 02:06:01.720 Ezekiel Chapter one, and he says, the likeness of the firmament upon their 1760 02:06:01.760 --> 02:06:05.760 heads of the living creatures was as the color the king Jamej's a color. 1761 02:06:05.800 --> 02:06:11.479 But the definition of that word is the appearance of the terrible crystal stretched forth 1762 02:06:11.560 --> 02:06:15.239 over their heads above, and there was a voice from the firmament that was 1763 02:06:15.279 --> 02:06:17.079 over their heads. And when they stood, and they had let down their 1764 02:06:17.079 --> 02:06:20.239 wings and above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a 1765 02:06:20.279 --> 02:06:25.079 throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone. And upon the likeness of 1766 02:06:25.079 --> 02:06:28.760 the throne was the likeness and appearance of a man above it. So Ezekiel 1767 02:06:28.800 --> 02:06:31.039 in his vision he is seeing this firmament over their heads. And he said, 1768 02:06:31.079 --> 02:06:34.239 the appearance of it is like a terrible crystal. And he says, 1769 02:06:34.239 --> 02:06:38.439 and I see the throne of God sitting upon it, and I see this 1770 02:06:39.560 --> 02:06:44.119 image of a man upon it. So the Bible says, God's throne sits 1771 02:06:44.199 --> 02:06:47.600 upon this firmament that's solid, and it's like a sea of glass. I 1772 02:06:47.600 --> 02:06:54.840 wonder where that's in the Bible. We keep on revelation for says after this, 1773 02:06:56.000 --> 02:06:57.960 I looked, and behold, a door was open in heaven. In 1774 02:06:58.000 --> 02:07:00.640 the first voice which I heard was as it were a trumpet talking with me, 1775 02:07:00.640 --> 02:07:01.439 and he said, come up hither, and I will show thee the 1776 02:07:01.479 --> 02:07:05.319 things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit, and 1777 02:07:05.359 --> 02:07:10.159 behold a throne set in heaven, and one set upon the throne. And 1778 02:07:10.199 --> 02:07:13.399 he that sat upon the throne was the luca pite like jasper, and a 1779 02:07:13.520 --> 02:07:15.520 sardine stone. And there was a rainbow round about the throne, in the 1780 02:07:15.520 --> 02:07:19.760 side of an emerald and the throne, and before the throne there was a 1781 02:07:20.039 --> 02:07:24.680 sea of crystal, of the sea of glass like under crystal. This is 1782 02:07:24.680 --> 02:07:28.800 what the Bible said, that before the throne is like a sea of glass 1783 02:07:28.920 --> 02:07:32.920 that's like crystal, and God's throne is seated upon it. And it's interesting. 1784 02:07:33.000 --> 02:07:39.159 He says, that there is an emerald rainbow or light emanating from that, 1785 02:07:39.239 --> 02:07:51.600 and I wonder what that might be. But of course the scientists say 1786 02:07:51.760 --> 02:07:57.479 that's electro magnetarialus radiation from the sun. Right, you know what I believe 1787 02:07:57.520 --> 02:08:05.640 it is the glory of God coming into the earth, shining through the crystalline 1788 02:08:05.760 --> 02:08:09.479 dome that he sits upon. Revelation fifteen also refers to the sea of glass 1789 02:08:09.479 --> 02:08:13.600 at the throne of God. He says, I saw another sign in heaven, 1790 02:08:13.640 --> 02:08:16.720 great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues, and for 1791 02:08:16.800 --> 02:08:18.840 in them is filled up the wrath of God. And I saw, as 1792 02:08:18.840 --> 02:08:20.800 it were, a sea of glass mingled with fire. Well, guess what. 1793 02:08:22.039 --> 02:08:26.560 One of the ways you make glass is melting sandy with fire, And 1794 02:08:26.600 --> 02:08:28.199 he says, he says, the listen to this. He said, a 1795 02:08:28.239 --> 02:08:31.359 sea of glass mingled with fire. And then that had gotten victory over the 1796 02:08:31.399 --> 02:08:35.159 beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the 1797 02:08:35.239 --> 02:08:39.760 number of his name. Stand on the sea of glass, having the harps 1798 02:08:39.800 --> 02:08:43.960 of God in their hands. Folks benny him the other day said heaven was 1799 02:08:45.800 --> 02:08:48.720 a planet, another planet out there. That is the biggest bunch of nonsense 1800 02:08:48.720 --> 02:08:52.239 I ever heard in my life. It's right above us. God's throne sits 1801 02:08:52.279 --> 02:08:56.920 upon it, and he looks at us like grasshoppers through his firma a dome. 1802 02:09:00.760 --> 02:09:03.159 This was Amos ninety six. Of course, the heat you know, 1803 02:09:03.199 --> 02:09:07.560 the King James. I love my King James Bible. But sometimes they did 1804 02:09:07.600 --> 02:09:11.680 not translate words, picked the right words correctly. I know some people I 1805 02:09:11.920 --> 02:09:16.560 think that they were perfect translators. They were not. This in the amplified 1806 02:09:16.640 --> 02:09:18.159 you actually have to look up every word in the Hebrew in this verse to 1807 02:09:18.239 --> 02:09:22.279 even understand what he's talking about. But listen to this. This is amplified 1808 02:09:22.359 --> 02:09:26.079 version of ninety six. It is he speaking of God who builds his upper 1809 02:09:26.159 --> 02:09:31.279 chambers in the heavens and has established his vaulted dome, the firmament of heaven 1810 02:09:31.399 --> 02:09:35.600 over the earth. He who calls the waters of the sea and pours them 1811 02:09:35.600 --> 02:09:37.800 out on the face of the earth. The Lord is his name. So 1812 02:09:37.279 --> 02:09:41.159 here's another scripture that gives you an idea of the ferment. Now here we 1813 02:09:41.199 --> 02:09:46.680 are. The Bible teaches a circular, flat earth. The North Pole Magnetic 1814 02:09:46.720 --> 02:09:50.319 Center, the Antarctic of the ice walls. We've talked about that the Earth 1815 02:09:50.359 --> 02:09:52.279 is stationary. Now this is what the Bible says with a molten dome over 1816 02:09:52.319 --> 02:09:56.079 it. Now, let's keep going through the scriptures. Now anyway you go 1817 02:09:56.119 --> 02:10:03.319 from there south. We could talk about this all day long. They say 1818 02:10:03.319 --> 02:10:07.600 there's not an ice wall, but there it is. Antarctica is the ice 1819 02:10:07.600 --> 02:10:11.720 wall boundary around the oceans. I've got a whole sermon. It's like two 1820 02:10:11.760 --> 02:10:16.119 hours long. I'm just Antarctica, the ends of the Earth. There it 1821 02:10:16.199 --> 02:10:18.119 is Job twenty six ten. He's compassed the waters with bounds until night and 1822 02:10:18.199 --> 02:10:22.399 day come to an end. He has inscribed a circular limit. Right, 1823 02:10:22.760 --> 02:10:26.840 it's not on the face of the waters. I mean you just keep going. 1824 02:10:26.319 --> 02:10:31.039 He has fixed a circle on the surface of the waters. And on 1825 02:10:31.079 --> 02:10:35.560 and on. There's even declassified documents that says most of the coast of Antarctica 1826 02:10:35.560 --> 02:10:39.079 are covered by great depths of snow and ice extends seaward beyond the shore line, 1827 02:10:39.159 --> 02:10:43.520 terminate with vertical clefts approaching two hundred feet in height. So we want 1828 02:10:43.520 --> 02:10:46.760 to say the wall's not there, but it is. Now. Language is 1829 02:10:46.800 --> 02:10:50.840 important. Language is important. A circle is not a ball, okay. 1830 02:10:52.479 --> 02:10:56.560 And God's word makes this very clear here that a circle is not a ball. 1831 02:10:56.600 --> 02:10:58.600 In Isaiah forty two, We're gonna read that in a minute, says 1832 02:10:58.600 --> 02:11:01.359 it's he sits upon the circle of the earth. There are people Christians that 1833 02:11:01.399 --> 02:11:05.520 are still saying that that means there's a sphere. It never says sphere. 1834 02:11:05.960 --> 02:11:09.760 The definition this word is kug and it means a circle, and it talks 1835 02:11:09.800 --> 02:11:13.840 about in Proverbs he inscribed a circle upon the face of the deep, not 1836 02:11:13.920 --> 02:11:18.520 a sphere. In another place in Isaiah twenty two eighteen, he uses the 1837 02:11:18.600 --> 02:11:22.720 term that Kingstain translates ball. It is the word dr. So there's two 1838 02:11:22.800 --> 02:11:28.720 different words in the Bible Hebrew, the original Hebrew for circling, ball, 1839 02:11:28.880 --> 02:11:35.239 coug and dirt. And God never uses dr, which means a sphere to 1840 02:11:35.319 --> 02:11:45.720 describe the earth, never never never, All right. Here it is you 1841 02:11:45.760 --> 02:11:48.840 look it up, a circle, a circuit, a compass. That's the 1842 02:11:50.760 --> 02:12:01.359 strongest definitions circle. Proverbs eight here's the word dr. Just show you look 1843 02:12:01.359 --> 02:12:05.439 it up, says ball, pile, something that has shaped to it like 1844 02:12:05.479 --> 02:12:11.680 that, all right, two different words for circle and ball never use here. 1845 02:12:11.680 --> 02:12:18.239 It is This is Proverbs says, when he established the heavens, wisdom, 1846 02:12:18.600 --> 02:12:20.359 I wisdom was there, when he drew a circle upon the face of 1847 02:12:20.399 --> 02:12:24.359 the deep, when he made firm the skies above, when the fountains and 1848 02:12:24.399 --> 02:12:28.119 springs of the deep became fixed and strong, when he set the sea its 1849 02:12:28.199 --> 02:12:33.359 boundary so that the waters would not transgress the boundaries by his command, and 1850 02:12:33.399 --> 02:12:37.560 when he marked out the foundations of the earth. So he's talking about God 1851 02:12:37.640 --> 02:12:41.520 drew circle. Let me tell you. I built my own firepit back when 1852 02:12:41.520 --> 02:12:45.119 I turned fifty. I'm about to turn fifty six. I don't know if 1853 02:12:45.119 --> 02:12:46.439 I can still do it. But you know what I did. I wanted 1854 02:12:46.439 --> 02:12:52.840 a perfect circle because I wanted to build a four foot diameter firepit out of 1855 02:12:52.840 --> 02:12:54.760 the We have stones in our property. So what I did was I took 1856 02:12:54.760 --> 02:12:58.680 a state and drove it in the ground. I took a chain ran it 1857 02:12:58.680 --> 02:13:01.800 down the state. Now I took another one out here two feet and I 1858 02:13:01.920 --> 02:13:09.039 inscribed me as circle. And then I started building my outer wall. I 1859 02:13:09.119 --> 02:13:13.359 just didn't put a ferment on it because I wanted to cook stuff in Amen. 1860 02:13:15.640 --> 02:13:20.159 Now this is again what God describes. Let's keep going. Now, 1861 02:13:20.720 --> 02:13:24.800 let's go back to that when he says He's made the sky strong like a 1862 02:13:24.800 --> 02:13:31.640 molten looking glass. Now let's go back. Now, let's go to look 1863 02:13:31.680 --> 02:13:37.039 at Isaiah forty twenty one and twenty two. He says, have you not 1864 02:13:37.239 --> 02:13:39.960 known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the 1865 02:13:39.960 --> 02:13:43.239 beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth. It is 1866 02:13:43.279 --> 02:13:48.840 he that setteth upon the circle coop, not dirt, circle, not ball 1867 02:13:48.000 --> 02:13:52.119 of the earth. Now, the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers, that stretches 1868 02:13:52.159 --> 02:13:56.199 out the heavens as a curtain and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell 1869 02:13:56.199 --> 02:13:58.199 in. So when he's talking about spreading out the heavens, he's talking about 1870 02:13:58.199 --> 02:14:03.880 when he spread out the front over the earth. Notice he said like a 1871 02:14:03.000 --> 02:14:09.560 tent, Like a tent, not a ball. Do y'all see the difference. 1872 02:14:11.199 --> 02:14:16.319 I ain't never been in a spherical tint in my life camping. And 1873 02:14:16.359 --> 02:14:18.399 God said he made the earth like a tint, And here we are in 1874 02:14:18.439 --> 02:14:28.079 a tent. Is the fur curved? No, God said this. You 1875 02:14:28.159 --> 02:14:31.920 want to know what the earth looks like. It's like a tent, just 1876 02:14:33.039 --> 02:14:37.720 like a tent. And the word for tints of course, here's what an 1877 02:14:37.760 --> 02:14:43.640 old tint like Abraham and Sarah would have been, in flat ground spread out 1878 02:14:43.840 --> 02:14:48.520 over them for a place to dwell in. The word for tint here in 1879 02:14:48.560 --> 02:14:54.800 the Hebrew is ohel, and it means tint. Right. But I'm gonna 1880 02:14:54.800 --> 02:14:58.960 show you something. Let's go to This is Psalm nineteen. Now Psalm nineteen. 1881 02:14:58.000 --> 02:15:01.800 I couldn't start out the beginning, but this talks about how the firmament 1882 02:15:01.800 --> 02:15:05.000 shows the handiwork of the Lord. All right, So the context of this, 1883 02:15:05.079 --> 02:15:07.920 he starts out talking about the firmament, and then he says this. 1884 02:15:09.920 --> 02:15:11.399 He says, their line is gone out through all the earth, their words 1885 02:15:11.439 --> 02:15:15.800 to the end of the world in them talking about in the world, our 1886 02:15:15.840 --> 02:15:18.600 world he made for us. He has set a tabernacle for the sun. 1887 02:15:18.680 --> 02:15:24.359 Guess what the word tabernacle is here. It is the Hebrew word o hel, 1888 02:15:24.439 --> 02:15:28.800 which means a tent, meaning that the sun is in the tent. 1889 02:15:31.760 --> 02:15:37.840 Amen. Then he goes on to talk about the sun. He says, 1890 02:15:37.720 --> 02:15:41.439 he set a tabernacle, a tent for the sun, which is as a 1891 02:15:41.439 --> 02:15:46.479 bridegroom coming out of his chamber and rejoices as a strong man to run a 1892 02:15:46.560 --> 02:15:50.479 race. His going forth is from one end to the heaven of the ferment 1893 02:15:50.560 --> 02:15:54.039 to the other, and his circuit unto the ends of it, and there 1894 02:15:54.119 --> 02:15:58.960 is nothing hid from the heat thereof the Bible word here for a circuit. 1895 02:16:00.319 --> 02:16:07.199 Guess what it is, coog, It's a circle. Its circuit means to 1896 02:16:07.239 --> 02:16:11.560 move in a circular path. So what we believe and what we see what 1897 02:16:11.640 --> 02:16:16.600 the Bible teaches. What Joshua was saying, what was happening was the Sun 1898 02:16:16.840 --> 02:16:22.079 was moving in its circular path. Now get this, this is this is 1899 02:16:22.079 --> 02:16:24.880 what'll blow your mind. Notice it says that nothing will will will escape the 1900 02:16:24.880 --> 02:16:30.880 heat of our son. Nothing. Somebody say nothing. Guess what? Look 1901 02:16:30.960 --> 02:16:33.680 up nothing in the Hebrew and it means nothing. So let me ask you 1902 02:16:33.680 --> 02:16:37.760 a question. If if nothing that God made can escape escape the heat of 1903 02:16:37.760 --> 02:16:41.959 our son, how are their galaxies millions and millions of light years away? 1904 02:16:46.319 --> 02:16:50.920 The Bible says the Sun is in the tent, inside the firmament, closer 1905 02:16:50.920 --> 02:16:56.719 to us, smaller, moving in a circular path, and that nothing that 1906 02:16:56.760 --> 02:17:00.360 God made for us escapes the heat of it. So you'll gotta deal with 1907 02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:07.879 that one right there, big time. Here's another one there. It is 1908 02:17:07.920 --> 02:17:11.840 an example of it. In the tent. Now is there evidence to show 1909 02:17:11.840 --> 02:17:16.280 that the sun is inside the tent, inside the firmament, closer to us, 1910 02:17:16.280 --> 02:17:20.000 smaller we have it every day. You're gonna start watching, some of 1911 02:17:20.000 --> 02:17:22.639 you who are skeptics that don't believe this. You're gonna walk outside one day 1912 02:17:22.639 --> 02:17:26.319 and you're gonna see this. You're gonna see it with the sun. You're 1913 02:17:26.319 --> 02:17:28.479 gonna see it with the moon. But you're gonna see the clouds behind the 1914 02:17:28.520 --> 02:17:31.559 sun and the moon. You're gonna see this. I have photographed this. 1915 02:17:33.399 --> 02:17:37.520 If the sun is ninety three million miles away, there's no way there should 1916 02:17:37.520 --> 02:17:43.200 ever be a cloud behind it. Not ever. And notice that Job said 1917 02:17:43.239 --> 02:17:46.840 there in thirty seven twenty one. Now men see not the bright light or 1918 02:17:46.879 --> 02:17:50.719 the sun that was in the clouds which the wind passes away. He's trying 1919 02:17:50.719 --> 02:17:52.920 to tell us where is the bright light he made, the great the great 1920 02:17:54.000 --> 02:17:58.799 light? Where is it in here with the clouds? And sometimes we catch 1921 02:17:58.840 --> 02:18:03.559 the clouds behind the sun. Even photographers who aren't trying to catch it look 1922 02:18:03.559 --> 02:18:05.639 at that, and then somebody want to say, oh, it's this the 1923 02:18:05.680 --> 02:18:09.600 sun so bright, it's just an illusion. And then somebody puts a negative 1924 02:18:09.639 --> 02:18:13.639 filter on it and proves it right there, clouds are in front and behind. 1925 02:18:13.680 --> 02:18:18.799 I'll tell you something else about a sun ninety three million miles away. 1926 02:18:20.600 --> 02:18:26.280 Let me tell you there's war. It doesn't make hot spots. If that 1927 02:18:26.520 --> 02:18:28.799 sun is ninety three million white. This is a high altitude balloon that reached 1928 02:18:28.760 --> 02:18:31.559 one hundred and ten thousand feet. If that sun is ninety three million miles 1929 02:18:31.559 --> 02:18:35.719 away, how is there a hot spot directly under it? There should be 1930 02:18:35.760 --> 02:18:45.959 even light across those clouds. This could have over and over again. Look 1931 02:18:45.959 --> 02:18:48.360 at the hot spot there above it. This is just a photographer who's not 1932 02:18:48.399 --> 02:18:52.479 even a flat earther. The hot spot above the clouds are there. If 1933 02:18:52.520 --> 02:18:56.239 that sun's ninety three million miles away, the light race should be coming in 1934 02:18:56.319 --> 02:19:01.360 evenly, and there's no way there should be hot You might get refraction. 1935 02:19:01.440 --> 02:19:03.399 You might say, oh, the light rays are refracted, But wait a 1936 02:19:03.440 --> 02:19:07.760 minute. Now that's a hot spot, meaning that's close to it. It's 1937 02:19:07.840 --> 02:19:11.440 just like anybody that knows lighting in theater knows that you got to deal with 1938 02:19:11.479 --> 02:19:16.799 hot spots, meaning where the light's right on it right. I could do 1939 02:19:16.840 --> 02:19:22.000 this all day long, but there's evidence, And this is why atheists come 1940 02:19:22.040 --> 02:19:26.319 to Jesus because of this kind of evidence, the sun is not ninety three 1941 02:19:26.319 --> 02:19:30.479 million miles away. It's just not like. These are pictures for people who 1942 02:19:30.559 --> 02:19:35.239 are not flat earth biblical cosmology believers. I could do it all day long. 1943 02:19:35.600 --> 02:19:39.719 Look at that. It happens with the moon too regularly. In fact, 1944 02:19:39.760 --> 02:19:41.920 this redd it posted this is a person saying I went out and saw 1945 02:19:41.959 --> 02:19:46.639 the moon and it looks like there's clouds behind it. There's no how is 1946 02:19:46.680 --> 02:19:50.120 that possible? And people were like, it's just an illusion. You're not 1947 02:19:50.159 --> 02:19:54.399 really seeing what you think you're seeing. That's an excuse they have. You're 1948 02:19:54.399 --> 02:19:58.639 not really seeing what you think you're seeing. Look at there clouds in front 1949 02:19:58.680 --> 02:20:03.760 and behind the moon. I have photographed this myself. Now let's move on 1950 02:20:03.799 --> 02:20:09.079 to this. The Bible is very clear about this. You know, you 1951 02:20:09.159 --> 02:20:13.079 want to believe we're on a spinning, flying water ball. Now, as 1952 02:20:13.120 --> 02:20:16.760 you call yourself a Christian, you've got to deal with these verses right here 1953 02:20:16.280 --> 02:20:20.920 and this verse. We're gonna start with a few of them here, but 1954 02:20:20.959 --> 02:20:24.719 it's pretty clear. Zachariah one to eleven, and here's what it says. 1955 02:20:24.760 --> 02:20:28.559 And the angel that was talking with Zachariah answered and said, and he said, 1956 02:20:28.559 --> 02:20:31.520 and the Angel answered, of the And they answered, the Angel of 1957 02:20:31.559 --> 02:20:35.360 the Lord among the myrtle trees says, we have walked to and fro through 1958 02:20:35.360 --> 02:20:39.760 the earth. These are these entities that have gotten permission. And they said, 1959 02:20:39.760 --> 02:20:46.639 behold, all the Earth sitteth still and is at rest. Somebody say, 1960 02:20:46.719 --> 02:20:52.399 all the earth sit us still? And is that rest? How is 1961 02:20:52.440 --> 02:20:58.120 it wobbling, spinning, flying, and in danger of asteroids hitting it? 1962 02:21:01.760 --> 02:21:05.239 Some people say, oh, that's just talking about the people of the Earth. 1963 02:21:05.319 --> 02:21:07.680 No, he said, the Earth said, it's still and is at 1964 02:21:07.719 --> 02:21:09.680 rest. And guess what. I look these words up in the Hebrew. 1965 02:21:09.760 --> 02:21:16.600 Guess what it means, sits still at rest, not moving. In fact, 1966 02:21:16.719 --> 02:21:22.000 the word in the Hebrew, actually a shoub here means to sit down, 1967 02:21:22.280 --> 02:21:28.959 especially as a judge, or sitting in ambushing quiet. All right, 1968 02:21:28.680 --> 02:21:33.000 now, this is what this is. So you're if you're going to say, 1969 02:21:33.120 --> 02:21:35.879 no, I believe the Earth is spinning and it even wobbles. Says 1970 02:21:35.920 --> 02:21:39.360 it spins, and it's flying through an ever expanding universe, then you just 1971 02:21:39.399 --> 02:21:43.159 got to throw this out right here. But is that the only place God 1972 02:21:43.200 --> 02:21:46.959 said it? No, it's not so. The Earth is not moving. 1973 02:21:48.000 --> 02:21:52.239 Here we go first Chronicles sixteen thirty. For fear before him all the earth. 1974 02:21:52.239 --> 02:22:01.120 The world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. Now 1975 02:22:01.319 --> 02:22:05.319 now literally, I heard doctor Danny Falter of Answer in Genesis say, well, 1976 02:22:05.319 --> 02:22:07.639 this just means like David when he said he wouldn't he wouldn't be moved. 1977 02:22:09.399 --> 02:22:13.120 Now, we're not talking about a man and his emotion or his religious 1978 02:22:13.120 --> 02:22:16.399 beliefs and his death. Were talking about the earth. He said, the 1979 02:22:16.440 --> 02:22:22.559 earth is stable. He said it, that it be not moved. The 1980 02:22:22.559 --> 02:22:26.559 Psalm ninety three one, the Lord reigneth. He is clothed with majesty. 1981 02:22:26.600 --> 02:22:30.200 The Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith he had girded himself. The world 1982 02:22:30.479 --> 02:22:37.719 is established that it cannot be moved. So they say that cannot be moved. 1983 02:22:39.680 --> 02:22:41.000 What does Satan come in? God said the world still, the rest 1984 02:22:41.000 --> 02:22:43.959 said it cannot be moved, And Satan comes in with a theory, says 1985 02:22:45.000 --> 02:22:48.799 he's spinning, flying, wobbling, moving. Yet Einstein admitted that there's no 1986 02:22:48.920 --> 02:22:52.200 experiment that can be done to prove that the Earth is moving, but then 1987 02:22:52.280 --> 02:22:58.559 he said, I still believe it's moving, right, So Einstein knew you 1988 02:22:58.559 --> 02:23:03.600 couldn't prove that the earth was moving down here Psalm one O. Four one 1989 02:23:03.639 --> 02:23:07.680 through five, he says, blessed and affectionately, praise the Lord, oh 1990 02:23:07.680 --> 02:23:09.360 my soul, O Lord, my God, you are very great. You 1991 02:23:09.399 --> 02:23:13.959 are clothed with splendor and majesty. You are the one who covers yourself with 1992 02:23:13.040 --> 02:23:18.239 light as with a garment, who stretches out the heavens like a tent curtain. 1993 02:23:18.000 --> 02:23:22.200 Here it is again multiple scriptures. The Bible says, let let by 1994 02:23:22.239 --> 02:23:24.879 two or three witnesses left every word be established. So here it is again 1995 02:23:24.920 --> 02:23:28.920 the world he stretched out like a tent to dwell in, who lays his 1996 02:23:30.000 --> 02:23:33.959 beams in the upper chambers, in the waters above the firmament. That's actually 1997 02:23:33.000 --> 02:23:37.079 exactly what the amplified says. Who makes the clouds his chariot, who walks 1998 02:23:37.079 --> 02:23:41.479 in the wings of the wind, who makes the winds his messenger, flames 1999 02:23:41.479 --> 02:23:43.440 the fire his ministers. Those are angels. So those are literal things. 2000 02:23:43.879 --> 02:23:48.719 He said. He established the earth on its foundations so that it will not 2001 02:23:48.920 --> 02:23:58.479 be moved forever and ever. So see, I'm in the earth is still 2002 02:23:58.520 --> 02:24:03.680 guy, and you got the earth the moving guy over here. It's pretty 2003 02:24:03.680 --> 02:24:07.239 plain. Then it takes us to Job thirty eight. So if you think 2004 02:24:07.280 --> 02:24:11.719 we take verses out of context Job thirty eight, you can't. When you're 2005 02:24:11.719 --> 02:24:16.000 talking about creation, God himself speaks to Job, and the context of that 2006 02:24:16.120 --> 02:24:22.520 conversation is the nature of God's creation. God himself speaking to Job, he 2007 02:24:22.520 --> 02:24:24.920 said, the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, who 2008 02:24:24.959 --> 02:24:30.079 is this at Dartmouth Council? By words without knowledge? Gird up thy ones 2009 02:24:30.159 --> 02:24:31.520 like a man, and I will demand of thee in answer, thou me, 2010 02:24:31.600 --> 02:24:35.840 where were you? Where wast thou would I laid the foundations of the 2011 02:24:35.920 --> 02:24:39.959 earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding, who hath laid the measures there? 2012 02:24:39.000 --> 02:24:41.639 If if thou knowest? Or who has stretched the line upon it? 2013 02:24:41.959 --> 02:24:46.600 Whereupon the foundations thereof are fastened? Or who laid the cornerstone? So the 2014 02:24:46.719 --> 02:24:52.000 context of this verse is clear. This passage is about creation, and God 2015 02:24:52.040 --> 02:24:56.239 says he has foundations to the Earth. Now, if you believe the spinning 2016 02:24:56.319 --> 02:25:03.680 ball heliocentric nonsense, you you believe that we have an iron molten core that 2017 02:25:03.399 --> 02:25:11.000 is that is hotter than the sun like thirteen thousand degrees, with liquid magma 2018 02:25:11.120 --> 02:25:15.239 around it. And now they say there's even water around down in there somewhere. 2019 02:25:16.680 --> 02:25:22.719 Does any of that sound like a foundation or stable or solid? No? 2020 02:25:22.719 --> 02:25:24.559 No, In fact, they say that the here's where is that? 2021 02:25:24.559 --> 02:25:30.079 They say, we have a lead nickel core. How many ever checked the 2022 02:25:30.399 --> 02:25:35.399 melting point of lead nickel. It's way lower than thirteen thousand degrees. But 2023 02:25:35.399 --> 02:25:39.120 of course they'll say, well, it's because of pressure. It's always their 2024 02:25:39.200 --> 02:25:43.959 little excuse to get out of something. But it's crazy. God said he 2025 02:25:43.040 --> 02:25:48.079 laid foundations of the hear let's step reading. He literally said, to sink 2026 02:25:48.120 --> 02:25:50.479 them down, just like you would. I used to be in construction. 2027 02:25:50.959 --> 02:25:56.559 We used to have to dig deep foundations, and they were poured very specifically. 2028 02:25:56.600 --> 02:25:58.719 So he talks about it. Now I need to speed on through here. 2029 02:25:58.639 --> 02:26:01.319 You see it right there to Saint Press. Oh, like a seal 2030 02:26:01.399 --> 02:26:05.280 too. He talks about the foundations. Now here's first Samuel to two eight, 2031 02:26:05.280 --> 02:26:09.559 and that says he raises up the poor out of the dust. He 2032 02:26:09.639 --> 02:26:13.200 lifted up the beggar from the dunghill, set them among princes to make them 2033 02:26:13.200 --> 02:26:16.520 inherit the throne of glory. For the pillars of the earth are the lords, 2034 02:26:16.600 --> 02:26:26.479 and he has set the world upon them. Does that does the heliocentric 2035 02:26:26.520 --> 02:26:31.360 Copernican model. Sound like he's setting something on pillars on a foundation, the 2036 02:26:31.559 --> 02:26:39.000 stable not moving, stealing at rest. I don't know, you know it. 2037 02:26:39.079 --> 02:26:41.840 See, this is what happened to me. You talk about what happened 2038 02:26:41.840 --> 02:26:45.520 in the beginning. I just started believing this. I didn't filter it anymore 2039 02:26:45.559 --> 02:26:54.639 through the world's nonsense. Now we see the world is stealing at rest. 2040 02:26:54.639 --> 02:26:58.559 And I mentioned a minute ago about the Michaelson Morley experiment. It says Michaelson 2041 02:26:58.000 --> 02:27:03.559 Morley found the Earth wasn't moving by using the speed of two light beams against 2042 02:27:03.559 --> 02:27:07.799 one another. The null results was one of the greatest puzzles of physics at 2043 02:27:07.840 --> 02:27:11.959 the end of the nineteenth century. It says. The possibility was that there 2044 02:27:11.959 --> 02:27:16.639 would be the velocity would be zero and no friend shift would be expected. 2045 02:27:18.079 --> 02:27:20.520 But this implies that the Earth is somehow a preferred object. So number one, 2046 02:27:20.559 --> 02:27:24.639 they discovered that the Earth is really the center, the preferred object of 2047 02:27:24.159 --> 02:27:28.000 the whole creation. And then he says that it was not what moving, 2048 02:27:28.879 --> 02:27:33.920 and of course it was. They did find one sixth movement of again, 2049 02:27:33.120 --> 02:27:37.040 only one sixth of what they said it was supposed to be moving. The 2050 02:27:37.079 --> 02:27:39.680 speed is supposed to be moving. They found one six. So that's the 2051 02:27:39.680 --> 02:27:43.280 movement again of the ether current. And I can't get into that. But 2052 02:27:43.319 --> 02:27:45.479 here we go. Let's go, let's get some of this this. Here's 2053 02:27:45.479 --> 02:27:48.280 one of these documents. Now I'm want to read this is this is one 2054 02:27:48.319 --> 02:27:50.840 of these documents. I dug up. This is Uh, let's see which 2055 02:27:50.840 --> 02:27:54.399 one of this is. Oh, there it is the general equations of Motion 2056 02:27:54.520 --> 02:27:58.399 for a damage asymmetric aircraft. Now what's interesting. This is point one point 2057 02:27:58.440 --> 02:28:03.719 two. This is one of my favorites because here in the introduction one, 2058 02:28:03.799 --> 02:28:09.920 it says, in order to analyze the dynamics of damaged aircraft, the dynamic 2059 02:28:09.000 --> 02:28:16.440 equations of motion must reflect the underlying the physics. Somebody say, must reflect 2060 02:28:16.920 --> 02:28:24.959 the underlying physics. So if they're going to study damaged aircraft and how things 2061 02:28:26.000 --> 02:28:31.000 happen to it in the sky, it says that the dynamic equations of motion 2062 02:28:31.200 --> 02:28:35.000 must properly reflect the underlying physics. In the next part, he says, 2063 02:28:35.280 --> 02:28:39.600 this is just part two that was in part one. He says, in 2064 02:28:39.680 --> 02:28:45.079 this paper, the rigid body equations of motion over a flat, non rotating 2065 02:28:45.159 --> 02:28:54.760 Earth are developed. Now, if in point one you say that studying this 2066 02:28:54.920 --> 02:29:00.600 must reflect the true proper underlying physics. And the next you say, all 2067 02:29:00.600 --> 02:29:03.520 of our equations of motion are based on a flat, non rotating earth. 2068 02:29:05.040 --> 02:29:11.000 How else can you how else can you read that? And if there's not 2069 02:29:11.079 --> 02:29:13.760 a flat, non rotating earth, why would it be in here? Why 2070 02:29:13.760 --> 02:29:18.639 would this unicorn be here? I'm talking about the fairytale unicorns. Unicorns were 2071 02:29:18.639 --> 02:29:24.200 real, by the way, but not the fairytale unicorn. Y'all see that. 2072 02:29:24.879 --> 02:29:28.079 Let's read it again. In order to analyze the dynamics of damage aircraft, 2073 02:29:28.079 --> 02:29:33.079 the dynamic equations of motion must properly reflect the underlying physics. In this 2074 02:29:33.200 --> 02:29:37.200 paper, the rigid body equations of motion over a flat, non rotating earth 2075 02:29:37.440 --> 02:29:41.000 are developed. So here we have the Bible saying that the Earth does not 2076 02:29:41.120 --> 02:29:46.600 move, it's stable, it's at rest. We have the Michaelson Morley experience 2077 02:29:46.600 --> 02:29:50.239 proving the Earth does not move. That just blew up physics in the end 2078 02:29:50.239 --> 02:29:54.479 of the early nineteenth century there and then I mean the late nineteenth century, 2079 02:29:56.159 --> 02:30:01.639 and then we have a government document about how damaged aircraft work. They admit 2080 02:30:01.719 --> 02:30:07.040 that the proper underlying philic physics and equations are based on a non rotating flutter. 2081 02:30:07.159 --> 02:30:11.000 That's three witnesses, y'all, don't hear me. That's the Bible, 2082 02:30:11.840 --> 02:30:20.879 true scientists, and a technical manual about aircraft. Three witnesses. Now, 2083 02:30:20.920 --> 02:30:24.399 I know some people love to pull this one out, so I'm gonna deal 2084 02:30:24.399 --> 02:30:28.360 with this. Oh about the earth hanging on nothing? What is that talking 2085 02:30:28.360 --> 02:30:31.840 about? Right, Let's just go ahead and get this out of the way. 2086 02:30:33.639 --> 02:30:37.000 Right. Here's what it is. King James Version says Hell is naked 2087 02:30:37.040 --> 02:30:41.520 before him, and destruction hath no covering. This is Joe twenty six, 2088 02:30:41.639 --> 02:30:45.520 six and seven. He stretches out the north, over the empty place, 2089 02:30:45.520 --> 02:30:50.280 and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Now the Copernicans, the ones that want 2090 02:30:50.319 --> 02:30:54.239 to have this space, oh cccc that's that space. That's we're hanging on 2091 02:30:54.360 --> 02:30:58.319 nothing. No, no, no, my friend, you must dig a 2092 02:30:58.360 --> 02:31:03.120 little deeper because the Hebrew words bear out what this means. And again we 2093 02:31:03.200 --> 02:31:07.479 have to take context. You can't take verse seven. You got to take 2094 02:31:07.559 --> 02:31:11.040 versus. So he's talking about hell or shield or the underworld, the underground. 2095 02:31:11.399 --> 02:31:16.600 What do we know is in hell? We know there's there's there's different 2096 02:31:16.600 --> 02:31:20.239 degrees of hell. And I'm not talking about Dante's. I'm talking about Bible 2097 02:31:20.239 --> 02:31:24.200 degrees, but we know that we have different words. And there's tarturous for 2098 02:31:24.280 --> 02:31:26.079 the deepest part of hell. And then we know that Satan is going to 2099 02:31:26.120 --> 02:31:30.600 be bound when Jesus returns. Satan's going to be bound and placed in the 2100 02:31:30.840 --> 02:31:35.799 somebody say bottomless pitch, which is in hell, which is the lowest part 2101 02:31:35.840 --> 02:31:43.040 of hell. Okay, now what this here is saying, and let's go 2102 02:31:43.079 --> 02:31:46.239 the amplified does it really well? But the Amplified Bible, and looking at 2103 02:31:46.239 --> 02:31:50.360 the original Hebrew word here when it says he stretches out the north over the 2104 02:31:50.360 --> 02:31:54.360 empty place where he hangs the earth upon nothing. When it says the word 2105 02:31:54.399 --> 02:32:00.440 for a pawn clarifies this question about the earth allegedly hanging upon nothing and place 2106 02:32:00.600 --> 02:32:03.680 is the word tohu, Now tohu in the Hebrew Tohu Vabo, who was 2107 02:32:03.799 --> 02:32:07.799 used in the creation that says the earth was without form and void and darkness 2108 02:32:07.799 --> 02:32:09.159 covered the deep. Well, if you look this word up, it means 2109 02:32:09.159 --> 02:32:15.319 a desolation, destruction, chaos, and I can't get into all that right 2110 02:32:15.319 --> 02:32:20.879 there, but he says that it's pronounced tohu, right is chaos, wilderness, 2111 02:32:20.879 --> 02:32:24.639 waste, confusion, a place of vanity or emptiness. The Hebrew word 2112 02:32:24.639 --> 02:32:30.680 here upon is all which can be translated above or over, and so in 2113 02:32:30.719 --> 02:32:33.479 the amplified it says she Old. The place of the dead is naked before 2114 02:32:33.520 --> 02:32:37.479 God, and abaddened. The place of destruction has no covering for his eyes. 2115 02:32:37.959 --> 02:32:41.360 It is he who spreads out the northern skies over the emptiness, and 2116 02:32:41.440 --> 02:32:46.440 hangs the earth over nothing. See there is this is what we believe. 2117 02:32:46.879 --> 02:32:50.000 Nobody knows how deep the earth is. God said, the heaven for height 2118 02:32:50.040 --> 02:32:54.639 and the earth for depth. Nobody would know. It's unsearchable, unknowable. 2119 02:32:56.239 --> 02:33:00.319 The deepest hole ever dugs about eight miles. The Russians didn't. We don't 2120 02:33:00.360 --> 02:33:07.280 know anything beyond that. But at some point down there in hell there is 2121 02:33:07.399 --> 02:33:09.719 nothingness. There's a place of vanity and emptiness. There's a bottomless pit where 2122 02:33:09.719 --> 02:33:13.600 saything's going to be changed for a thousand years, and God stretched it out. 2123 02:33:13.639 --> 02:33:16.719 And if you guys saw my Mountain of God in the north in Paradise 2124 02:33:16.000 --> 02:33:18.360 series, some of you. If you haven't seen that, you need to 2125 02:33:18.360 --> 02:33:22.399 watch it. You understand that God's throne is right above the North Star. 2126 02:33:24.719 --> 02:33:28.239 The North Pole is right there, and where we're taught. The Bible shows 2127 02:33:28.280 --> 02:33:33.520 us that it's really underneath. Underneath there is where paradise and hell starts right 2128 02:33:33.559 --> 02:33:37.040 there. So it makes sense. This verse makes sense when you know the 2129 02:33:37.040 --> 02:33:39.159 truth of the shape of the Earth and the nature of things. But taking 2130 02:33:39.200 --> 02:33:43.360 this into context, it's not talking about hanging the earth in some empty space. 2131 02:33:43.399 --> 02:33:46.600 It's talking about hanging the earth. Oh, the earth is just over 2132 02:33:46.559 --> 02:33:50.520 this place of nothingness. So we deal with that. Now we get to 2133 02:33:50.559 --> 02:33:54.200 Joshua. I'm just gonna say, what do you say, sun stands still 2134 02:33:54.280 --> 02:33:58.959 upon Gibeon and the moon in the valley of Ashalon, and the sun stood 2135 02:33:58.040 --> 02:34:01.600 still in the moon's and the people avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is it 2136 02:34:01.639 --> 02:34:05.959 not written in the Book of jay Shure? So the sun here's the Bible 2137 02:34:05.959 --> 02:34:16.680 says. So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven. That means 2138 02:34:16.760 --> 02:34:24.760 it was moving, not the earth. So Joshua here is teaching a completely 2139 02:34:24.760 --> 02:34:28.719 different cosmology than the world, and many of you have accepted. So the 2140 02:34:28.719 --> 02:34:31.399 Sun stood still in the midst of heaven and hasted not to go down about 2141 02:34:31.440 --> 02:34:35.959 a whole day. And here's what's interesting. He said, the sun was 2142 02:34:35.040 --> 02:34:39.399 over Gibeon and the moon over the valley of Ashlon. Do you know what 2143 02:34:39.440 --> 02:34:43.280 that means? The Sun in the moon were over specific places that were pretty 2144 02:34:43.280 --> 02:34:50.719 close to each other. It's amazing, exactly east and west of each other. 2145 02:34:50.959 --> 02:34:56.559 Look at here, there's gibbeon. There comes our moving sun, and 2146 02:34:56.600 --> 02:35:00.399 there's our moon down over here in the valley of Ashlon. He could see 2147 02:35:00.399 --> 02:35:01.879 them both there was interesting. Is that happens to us every now. In 2148 02:35:01.920 --> 02:35:05.319 their circuits they catch up with each other once in a while, and that's 2149 02:35:05.319 --> 02:35:07.040 why you'll see the sun over here sometime in the sky and the moon right 2150 02:35:07.040 --> 02:35:13.719 thereby. But Joshua knew exactly what areas of the Earth they were over. 2151 02:35:15.879 --> 02:35:20.159 And that's what the Bible says. Can we keep going? I can prove 2152 02:35:20.319 --> 02:35:24.360 here we go, let's get let's let's go on. I got more illustrations. 2153 02:35:26.719 --> 02:35:28.760 I'm going through them. The sun doesn't go down. We talked about 2154 02:35:28.760 --> 02:35:37.000 that. It says to go or come now there's Gibbean there it is again. 2155 02:35:39.200 --> 02:35:41.440 Goodness, I must have doubled up some slices. Here here we go. 2156 02:35:41.559 --> 02:35:48.719 We're getting through. Of course, these crepuscular rays, these type of 2157 02:35:48.799 --> 02:35:54.639 rays coming down shows the Sun is not far away. I can't get into 2158 02:35:54.680 --> 02:36:00.040 that right now, All right, I've covered this. The Bible says the 2159 02:36:00.079 --> 02:36:03.520 sun moves in a circuit to the ends of the earth. There's nothing hid 2160 02:36:03.559 --> 02:36:07.280 from the heat thereof there's your circuit means course or path. Here's the Hebrew 2161 02:36:07.280 --> 02:36:15.680 word for circuit. There a revolution that is the sun's course circuit. Here's 2162 02:36:15.719 --> 02:36:18.920 another thing that's impossible in their model. And I'm trying to go quick, 2163 02:36:18.000 --> 02:36:22.879 y'all, but it's a salot the sun, he says, here, excuse 2164 02:36:22.879 --> 02:36:24.959 he asked. He's the sun arises, And that word arises simply means it's 2165 02:36:24.959 --> 02:36:28.399 not elevation. It means the rays begin to shoot forth when it comes close 2166 02:36:28.399 --> 02:36:31.479 to us. And then he says, the sun goeth down again. That's 2167 02:36:31.520 --> 02:36:33.680 the word bow. That just means to come and go. It doesn't mean 2168 02:36:33.719 --> 02:36:37.440 to go up and down. And he says that the sun, though hastes 2169 02:36:37.559 --> 02:36:41.600 to his place where he arose, then he goes back to the same place. 2170 02:36:43.600 --> 02:36:48.399 How is that possible in a heliocentric universe? How can the sun, 2171 02:36:48.479 --> 02:36:52.680 they say, the sun's moving through this universe, just it ever expanding? 2172 02:36:52.840 --> 02:37:00.600 How can it ever return to the place it was before? Doesn't do it 2173 02:37:00.639 --> 02:37:07.239 either? The Bible's true, or your secular heliocentric Compernain cosmology is too. 2174 02:37:07.239 --> 02:37:13.319 They can't both be true. Here's an interesting document I found from one of 2175 02:37:13.399 --> 02:37:16.799 Russia's top scientists that we stole from them during the Cold War. Aa or 2176 02:37:16.879 --> 02:37:24.879 Law of his family was highly awarded decorated scientists in Russia, and we stole 2177 02:37:24.959 --> 02:37:30.559 this from him. And this is in declassified now. And he's talking about 2178 02:37:31.120 --> 02:37:35.399 lunar solar disturbances in motion of artificial Earth satellites and he says this here it 2179 02:37:35.479 --> 02:37:41.399 is assumed that the Sun moves along a circle near the center of a planet 2180 02:37:41.520 --> 02:37:46.000 satellite system of the masses. He says, an analysis is made of the 2181 02:37:46.000 --> 02:37:52.000 motion of the satellites could characterize any eccentric tricicity. He says, an inclination 2182 02:37:52.120 --> 02:37:56.639 of its orbit relation to the plane of the Sun's motion. He says, 2183 02:37:56.680 --> 02:37:58.959 the Sun's motion, he says. He says the Sun is moving into cera. 2184 02:38:00.159 --> 02:38:03.639 This is a Russian scientist in a top secret document says, the Sun 2185 02:38:03.799 --> 02:38:07.760 is moving, has motion, and it moves in a circle. Isn't that 2186 02:38:07.840 --> 02:38:13.120 amazing that God said in psawm nineteen the Sun moves in a circle. Now 2187 02:38:13.520 --> 02:38:18.159 the shape of the earth. I know we're pastor you told me we could 2188 02:38:18.159 --> 02:38:26.840 do it six hours, So I'm trying. I'm trying, but i have 2189 02:38:26.920 --> 02:38:30.159 to get it all in all right, Now, this is the shape of 2190 02:38:30.159 --> 02:38:33.120 the earth. Now, of course everybody knows my book is entitled like Clay 2191 02:38:33.159 --> 02:38:35.600 under the Seal from this this verse in Job thirty eight fourteen. Now, 2192 02:38:35.600 --> 02:38:37.479 I know he's going to try to attack that, So I'm gonna deal with 2193 02:38:37.520 --> 02:38:43.399 this. I'm gonna just destroy any possible attack on it, because number one, 2194 02:38:43.479 --> 02:38:48.719 the context of Job thirty eight is creation. Many Bible scholars translators have 2195 02:38:48.840 --> 02:38:54.840 translated that this is talking about the earth being or taking shape like clay into 2196 02:38:54.879 --> 02:38:58.239 the seal. But I'm going to give you some other witnesses from scripture that 2197 02:38:58.319 --> 02:39:03.319 this is exactly how God made the earth or shape the earth. But here's 2198 02:39:03.319 --> 02:39:05.920 a few verses, we'll look at them. Here's the King James says it 2199 02:39:07.040 --> 02:39:11.000 is turned. Talk about the earth is turned. It's not talking about spinning, 2200 02:39:11.040 --> 02:39:13.920 because he said it means changed. That Hebrew word means changed like you 2201 02:39:13.959 --> 02:39:18.799 would change a potato into mashed potatoes, right, or like a person who 2202 02:39:18.879 --> 02:39:22.479 was clean. The word is used when they got leprosy. It says their 2203 02:39:22.520 --> 02:39:28.639 skin changed, okay, So it's not saying spinning. He says it's turned 2204 02:39:28.719 --> 02:39:33.399 or changed as clay to the seal or the signet ring. And so clay 2205 02:39:33.920 --> 02:39:37.280 was a glump of clay or seal, and they would press it down with 2206 02:39:37.399 --> 02:39:41.479 a signet ring, all right, So that gives you a flat surface with 2207 02:39:41.600 --> 02:39:46.360 upturned edges. There the complete Jewish Bible. Anybody think the Jews know how 2208 02:39:46.399 --> 02:39:52.440 to translate their own Hebrew scriptures. I would think the Hebrews would know that 2209 02:39:52.479 --> 02:39:56.760 no Hebrew would get us the Hebrew correct, Okay. So here's the complete 2210 02:39:56.840 --> 02:40:01.840 Jewish Bible says, then the earth is changed like clay under the seal. 2211 02:40:01.000 --> 02:40:05.719 So they even got it in there. And then of course the Amplified Bible 2212 02:40:05.760 --> 02:40:11.120 says the earth is changed like clay into which the seal is pressed. The 2213 02:40:11.239 --> 02:40:16.000 NIV says the earth is takes shape like clay under the seal. So there 2214 02:40:16.040 --> 02:40:20.120 you have all these several different translations, and you have the definition of the 2215 02:40:20.159 --> 02:40:24.120 words which I could go into. Now here's the verses that confirm this. 2216 02:40:24.200 --> 02:40:26.719 Because the Bible says, in the mouth of two or three witnesses, let 2217 02:40:26.760 --> 02:40:33.000 every word be established amen. So this idea of the earth taking shape like 2218 02:40:33.079 --> 02:40:39.760 clay under a signet ring or seal being pressed down flat. This image is 2219 02:40:39.799 --> 02:40:43.440 also what we get in other verses about creation. But you have to look 2220 02:40:43.520 --> 02:40:46.440 up the Hebrew words. Gonna give it to you here. So Isaiah forty 2221 02:40:46.440 --> 02:40:52.440 two to five says this. Thus saith God, the Lord Yahweh Jehovah, 2222 02:40:52.479 --> 02:40:56.920 that created the heavens and stretched them out Lotus. It says he that spread 2223 02:40:58.000 --> 02:41:01.040 forth the earth and that which cometh out of it, He that giveth breath 2224 02:41:01.079 --> 02:41:05.920 unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein. When 2225 02:41:05.920 --> 02:41:09.159 he says he that spread it out, just remember that he spread forth the 2226 02:41:09.200 --> 02:41:13.200 earth. Another scripture Isaiah forty four to twenty four, Thus saith the Lord 2227 02:41:13.200 --> 02:41:18.079 thy Redeemer, he that formed thee from the wound. I am the Lord 2228 02:41:18.120 --> 02:41:22.000 that maketh all things that stretcheth forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the 2229 02:41:22.079 --> 02:41:26.000 earth. Again he says that term. Now I know that it says by 2230 02:41:26.040 --> 02:41:28.360 myself, I mus show you a mistake the King James makes. Here, 2231 02:41:28.280 --> 02:41:33.319 he says, who stretches out the earth by himself? Do you know I 2232 02:41:33.319 --> 02:41:35.680 can read a little Hebrew. And you know what, and I've got my 2233 02:41:35.719 --> 02:41:39.600 Hebrew scholar here. One of them are doctor John's trastras. Is it to 2234 02:41:39.760 --> 02:41:43.680 get it right there? PhD from Fuller Theological Seminary. He'll tell you this 2235 02:41:43.719 --> 02:41:48.879 too. This right here when it says he spreadeth abroad the earth in Isaiah 2236 02:41:48.920 --> 02:41:52.799 forty four by myself is not in the original. It's at my em in 2237 02:41:52.879 --> 02:42:00.600 Hebrew. At my em means upon or in relation to the watersim is the 2238 02:42:00.639 --> 02:42:05.479 waters of creation. So he's saying that he spread the earth in relation to 2239 02:42:05.520 --> 02:42:09.040 the waters, just like he says in Genesis one. Let's keep going, 2240 02:42:09.079 --> 02:42:11.799 he says. And then there's a Psalm one thirty six six. It says 2241 02:42:11.799 --> 02:42:16.520 to him that stretches out the earth above the waters, for his mercy endures 2242 02:42:16.520 --> 02:42:22.040 forever. So let's look at this term spreadeth out because three times here he 2243 02:42:22.079 --> 02:42:26.440 says he spreads out the earth, meaning telling you this is how I did 2244 02:42:26.440 --> 02:42:28.120 it. Like if a woman is rolling out some dough, she says, 2245 02:42:28.120 --> 02:42:31.399 I spread out the dough, But how does she do it? Right? 2246 02:42:31.680 --> 02:42:37.719 He's gonna tell you how he did it right. Here is the word. 2247 02:42:37.360 --> 02:42:43.559 It's that word again, raka. Where we get the word Rakia from but 2248 02:42:43.639 --> 02:42:48.000 the word rock of the verb where he spread out the earth, this is 2249 02:42:48.000 --> 02:42:52.319 what it means. Look at this brown driver brigs lexicon. Also the strongs 2250 02:42:52.479 --> 02:43:01.879 beat. Somebody say stamp, spread out, spread it out, press down, 2251 02:43:03.520 --> 02:43:09.280 y'all see it. Stamp. Stamp is just another term for guess what 2252 02:43:09.440 --> 02:43:15.840 a seal. But he uses the term stamped pressed down so literally you could 2253 02:43:15.840 --> 02:43:20.520 read those verses. If you back up to those verses that he stamped forth 2254 02:43:20.559 --> 02:43:24.959 the earth, that he pressed it down, this is the same picture. 2255 02:43:26.000 --> 02:43:31.760 So three times you have this there. It is to beat, to stamp, 2256 02:43:31.879 --> 02:43:35.159 to beat out, to spread out. Guess what you can buy these 2257 02:43:35.200 --> 02:43:41.959 they called stamp kits. You see it, Go ahead and put it back 2258 02:43:41.000 --> 02:43:48.399 up there. Stamp. What's the definition of stamp? Bring down one's foot 2259 02:43:48.479 --> 02:43:52.639 upon heavily on the ground, or on something on the ground. He stamped 2260 02:43:52.639 --> 02:43:56.959 his foot in frustration, impress a pattern or mark wax. Stamp kit. 2261 02:43:58.040 --> 02:44:03.680 There it is right there. That's where what the word stamp means. So 2262 02:44:03.760 --> 02:44:07.719 we have those verses. Now I'm gonna end, well, hopefully we'll end 2263 02:44:07.719 --> 02:44:13.239 on this. But here's if you want confirmation from the New Testament. I 2264 02:44:13.280 --> 02:44:16.680 was getting prepared to do a message on the marriageupper of the Lamb. I 2265 02:44:16.719 --> 02:44:22.639 wasn't even study in creation or cosmology, and I was reading this, and 2266 02:44:22.639 --> 02:44:24.920 I've read it many times. Out of the King James words. It says, 2267 02:44:24.920 --> 02:44:28.319 when the thousand years were expired, this is Revelation twenty seven through nine. 2268 02:44:28.040 --> 02:44:31.959 When the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his 2269 02:44:31.040 --> 02:44:33.879 prison, and he shall go out to see the nations, which you're in 2270 02:44:33.920 --> 02:44:37.360 the four quarters of the earth. God, and may God together them together 2271 02:44:37.440 --> 02:44:41.799 to battle the number of whom it has the sand of the sea. And 2272 02:44:41.920 --> 02:44:45.200 they went up on the breadth of the earth, and they compassed the camp 2273 02:44:45.200 --> 02:44:46.680 of the saints about in the Blood City. A fire came down from God 2274 02:44:46.680 --> 02:44:50.280 from heaven and devoured them. So this is talking about the last rebellion after 2275 02:44:50.319 --> 02:44:56.600 the one thousand year millennial rate. Now notice he's to use this term the 2276 02:44:56.600 --> 02:45:00.360 breadth of the earth here. Now, Now it's what hit me. The 2277 02:45:00.399 --> 02:45:03.360 Holy Spirit hit me. And I'm reading this and I'm like, he could 2278 02:45:03.399 --> 02:45:09.000 have just said that they came out upon the earth. No need to put 2279 02:45:09.000 --> 02:45:13.879 the breadth of the earth there, right, It's actually like an added word. 2280 02:45:13.920 --> 02:45:16.040 I'm like, why is that even there, and I'd never looked it 2281 02:45:16.120 --> 02:45:18.399 up. In all my thirty six years of studying the Bible, I never 2282 02:45:18.399 --> 02:45:22.600 looked it up. So I looked it up. Start looking up these Hebrew 2283 02:45:22.639 --> 02:45:26.600 and Greek words. It gainst dangerous because the word breadth. Here is the 2284 02:45:26.639 --> 02:45:31.399 word plateaus. Sound familiar, plateaus? What are plateaus? They are a 2285 02:45:31.520 --> 02:45:37.040 flat land? All right? Well, the word the root. And then 2286 02:45:37.079 --> 02:45:39.280 notice in in your Greek dictionary, you're gonna it's gonna lead you down the 2287 02:45:39.360 --> 02:45:43.799 root words. And it says the word here is plateaus, which means width 2288 02:45:43.920 --> 02:45:48.680 or breadth, plateaus. We know what it means. He says, it's 2289 02:45:48.719 --> 02:45:52.719 from though four one one six in your Greek dictionary. So let's go to 2290 02:45:52.719 --> 02:45:58.600 four one one six, which is the well the root word platus platus. 2291 02:45:58.680 --> 02:46:03.959 What is this platus mean in the strongs Greek dictionary to spread out flat? 2292 02:46:11.000 --> 02:46:16.760 So literally the verse in Revelation twenty. So they went up upon the flat 2293 02:46:16.840 --> 02:46:28.680 earth. That's the definition of the words in the original language. Here's where 2294 02:46:28.680 --> 02:46:31.479 it gets evening crazy. Notice it says that the platus has a root word. 2295 02:46:33.639 --> 02:46:37.600 Platus says it comes from four one one one, right, So let's 2296 02:46:37.600 --> 02:46:41.360 go to four one one one, and see what it says. Here's the 2297 02:46:43.200 --> 02:46:46.760 word four one one. Here's the word in Greek. Listen to what it 2298 02:46:46.840 --> 02:47:01.760 means here plaso to form, mold something from clay or wax. Literally the 2299 02:47:01.799 --> 02:47:09.879 potter, fabricase or shape something from clay or wax. That's flat. That's 2300 02:47:09.959 --> 02:47:13.040 that word, the breadth of the earth. This is why you have to 2301 02:47:13.079 --> 02:47:20.479 study the Bible deeper than many of us have over the year. We lose 2302 02:47:20.799 --> 02:47:26.559 so much understanding when we don't go back to the original Hebrew and Greek. 2303 02:47:26.600 --> 02:47:35.200 It even sometimes to the verb tenses of the Greek language. And there they're 2304 02:47:35.200 --> 02:47:39.479 all three together. And I'm gonna just end with this part. I'm not 2305 02:47:39.520 --> 02:47:43.840 going to show you, but there have been two astronauts that were interviewed. 2306 02:47:43.840 --> 02:47:52.440 One the general highly decorated mischl Hermont Hermaneski, who recently died. He was 2307 02:47:52.479 --> 02:47:56.360 the only Polish cosmonaut for the Soviet Union. He was asking an interview right 2308 02:47:56.399 --> 02:48:01.440 here you've been there is the Earth really a sphere hanging in outer space? 2309 02:48:03.440 --> 02:48:07.920 And his answer was the Earth is flat, as some may expect, I 2310 02:48:07.959 --> 02:48:13.159 didn't expect this question. I assure you it's flat. And there was another 2311 02:48:13.360 --> 02:48:18.040 Russian cosmonaut who was awarded to be the Hero of the Soviet Union. He 2312 02:48:18.079 --> 02:48:20.639 said, we haven't been to space. If someone claims that we have been, 2313 02:48:20.760 --> 02:48:24.840 it's not true. It's not the truth. These are two astronauts. 2314 02:48:26.680 --> 02:48:28.120 I believe in the days ahead, these are whistleblowers. I believe in the 2315 02:48:28.200 --> 02:48:31.879 days ahead, we're going to have more whistleblowers that come out and tell the 2316 02:48:31.920 --> 02:48:43.879 truth. The folks. I have given you the witness of scripture, the 2317 02:48:43.920 --> 02:48:48.319 witness of scientists, astronauts, But even those don't matter. The word of 2318 02:48:48.319 --> 02:48:54.200 God is clear. God made the earth still, and it rests immovable, 2319 02:48:54.479 --> 02:49:01.559 stable upon pillars, upon a foundation. And in God's creation there is an 2320 02:49:01.680 --> 02:49:07.520 up and a down. Jesus ascended up. Where is that? Where is 2321 02:49:07.600 --> 02:49:13.639 up? For the poor Australians, Heaven is up, Hell is down. 2322 02:49:13.680 --> 02:49:20.639 That is a simple concept. Doesn't work on a spinning water ball, all 2323 02:49:20.760 --> 02:49:24.319 right. But God said he made the earth with a firmament over it, 2324 02:49:24.360 --> 02:49:31.399 and it's a solid crystalline molten glass dome, and his throne sits upon it, 2325 02:49:33.600 --> 02:49:37.239 and he says over and over the earth is shaped like clay under a 2326 02:49:37.360 --> 02:49:41.280 seal. It's the breadth of the earth. The flat earth. It's motionless. 2327 02:49:43.399 --> 02:49:46.879 This is what God describes in the scriptures, and this is why many 2328 02:49:46.959 --> 02:49:52.360 atheists have got saved when they've seen the evidence. So I rest my case. 2329 02:49:52.520 --> 02:50:18.639 God, bless thank you, pastor thing, thank you. That's good. 2330 02:50:18.760 --> 02:50:24.799 Give my hand. Not everybody wants to debate these issues, and so 2331 02:50:24.879 --> 02:50:28.120 that's a big deal, right, that's a big deal, and so thank 2332 02:50:28.200 --> 02:50:31.799 you so much for your thoroughness, Sor. We don't really have six hours 2333 02:50:31.799 --> 02:50:35.440 apiece. We could talk about this for twenty hours a piece. Okay, 2334 02:50:35.680 --> 02:50:39.200 you're not going to get the whole the whole ball of wax, right, 2335 02:50:39.639 --> 02:50:41.680 You're just not. You're not going to get all of it at one time. 2336 02:50:41.719 --> 02:50:45.239 There's a lot there, and so I recognize the fact that we feel 2337 02:50:45.280 --> 02:50:48.479 like at least that we're feeding you with a fire hose and just trying to 2338 02:50:48.479 --> 02:50:52.040 give you so much information. And I know we had to skip through a 2339 02:50:52.040 --> 02:50:54.719 lot. So once again, give them round of applause. Thank you, 2340 02:50:54.760 --> 02:51:01.520 sir for your honesty. I appreciate that. And it's good to have a 2341 02:51:01.520 --> 02:51:05.600 little our honesty back, and for even our snarkiness. You know, we 2342 02:51:05.120 --> 02:51:09.399 get a little get a little fired up about things. That's all right, 2343 02:51:09.479 --> 02:51:11.799 that's part of it. And so I want to go into the Word of 2344 02:51:11.799 --> 02:51:16.440 the Lord and give you the perspective from my vantage point theologically. Now, 2345 02:51:16.879 --> 02:51:20.440 I'm not a real big high tech Redknick PowerPoint guy, and so some of 2346 02:51:20.479 --> 02:51:22.680 the verses will come up just when I call the guys in the back that 2347 02:51:22.760 --> 02:51:24.680 can throw them up. I'm just gonna I'm just a Bible god, right, 2348 02:51:24.680 --> 02:51:28.120 So I'm gonna do some flipping. And this is a Bible debate. 2349 02:51:28.159 --> 02:51:30.600 So I suppose that at least a few of you have your Bible tonight, 2350 02:51:30.680 --> 02:51:33.760 and so I don't have to take as long as he did, only because 2351 02:51:33.760 --> 02:51:37.319 he has a lot of information that I don't have, right, a lot 2352 02:51:37.360 --> 02:51:39.879 of information that I am not privy to, as it were, and so 2353 02:51:39.920 --> 02:51:43.399 he had a lot to say, and so I just I want to kind 2354 02:51:43.399 --> 02:51:46.000 of keep the perspective so we can kind of go back and forth if there's 2355 02:51:46.120 --> 02:51:48.479 time for that, Lord willing in a few moments. But let me just 2356 02:51:48.520 --> 02:51:52.399 start right off the rim with the Word of the Lord and then just kind 2357 02:51:52.440 --> 02:51:56.000 of go down through some very important aspects of what I believe the Bible teaches. 2358 02:51:56.040 --> 02:51:58.680 So I'm eight in verse one, the Bible says Oh Lord, our 2359 02:51:58.719 --> 02:52:01.840 Lord, how excellent is the name and all the earth, who has set 2360 02:52:01.840 --> 02:52:05.000 thy glory above the heavens out of the mouth of babes and sucklings, hast 2361 02:52:05.040 --> 02:52:09.120 thou ordained strength? And the Bible says, because he's ordained strength, he 2362 02:52:09.280 --> 02:52:13.799 says unto the people that he steals, he stops the avenger, he stops 2363 02:52:13.840 --> 02:52:18.840 those that come against him. And then he makes a very interesting declaration in 2364 02:52:18.879 --> 02:52:22.280 Psalm chapter eight. He begins to talk about the fact that because God made 2365 02:52:22.360 --> 02:52:26.920 everything the way that he did, because the world has been absolutely made by 2366 02:52:26.920 --> 02:52:30.440 God, I read just today, as a matter of fact, this right 2367 02:52:30.479 --> 02:52:33.840 here, he says, when I consider your heavens, the works of your 2368 02:52:33.879 --> 02:52:39.360 fingers, the moon and stars, which thou hast ordained, he said, 2369 02:52:39.399 --> 02:52:43.559 the finger work, the finger painting like a little kindergartener, the finger painting 2370 02:52:43.600 --> 02:52:46.760 of God is indeed the heavens, the firmament that the moon, he says, 2371 02:52:46.799 --> 02:52:50.040 and the stars. It took nothing for God to make that. But 2372 02:52:50.040 --> 02:52:54.280 then he asked this question, what is man that thou art even mindful of 2373 02:52:54.360 --> 02:52:58.159 him? Or the son of man that thou visitest him? So here's the 2374 02:52:58.200 --> 02:53:01.760 two different directions that we're going give in closed home. All of that. 2375 02:53:01.799 --> 02:53:05.000 We'll talk about that, But listen, my idea is not just talking about 2376 02:53:05.000 --> 02:53:07.760 the expanse, because firmament clearly means heaven. It's what the Bible says. 2377 02:53:07.760 --> 02:53:09.120 I don't believe it means expands. It means heaven. It's what the Bible 2378 02:53:09.159 --> 02:53:15.680 says. But I so believe in the expensiveness of God that David looked up 2379 02:53:15.680 --> 02:53:18.639 and he saw all the things that the Lord had created. He saw all 2380 02:53:18.680 --> 02:53:24.319 the unbelievable things in creation and said, holy smokes, who am I? 2381 02:53:24.040 --> 02:53:28.040 What is man that you are even mindful of me? Why would you even 2382 02:53:28.120 --> 02:53:33.079 think about me? Amongst so many unbelievable things that you have created, the 2383 02:53:33.280 --> 02:53:37.719 vastness, the expansiveness, the more and more you see. I don't believe 2384 02:53:37.840 --> 02:53:41.680 that the universe expanding Genesis two one. God made it all at one time. 2385 02:53:41.920 --> 02:53:46.440 I believe our understanding of the universe is expanding. And those are two 2386 02:53:46.719 --> 02:53:52.079 very different ideas, you understand, and so we have to recognize the fact 2387 02:53:52.200 --> 02:53:56.120 that, yes, we believe that we are the cream Dela cream of God's 2388 02:53:56.159 --> 02:54:00.760 creation. Okay, he didn't die for birds, he didn't die for rocks, 2389 02:54:00.799 --> 02:54:05.040 he didn't die for planets. He didn't die for atmospheric conditions. Jesus 2390 02:54:05.120 --> 02:54:07.360 died for the sins of the world. So yes, I understand that we 2391 02:54:07.520 --> 02:54:11.680 are the center of creation. I understand that we are the darling apple of 2392 02:54:11.719 --> 02:54:16.360 God's eye. But even in the Bible, the man created by God said, 2393 02:54:16.399 --> 02:54:20.159 Holy Smoke's creation is so much bigger than me, Why would you even 2394 02:54:20.280 --> 02:54:26.319 think about me? So this, to be honest, is not about creation. 2395 02:54:26.520 --> 02:54:28.479 We don't disagree on creation. I don't believe in a big bang theory. 2396 02:54:28.680 --> 02:54:33.280 I don't believe in millions of years. I believe in six literal days 2397 02:54:33.280 --> 02:54:35.520 of creation. I don't believe in any of that. I don't believe that 2398 02:54:35.680 --> 02:54:39.079 we're from monkeys. I don't believe any of that stuff. Okay, all 2399 02:54:39.120 --> 02:54:43.760 of that's nonsense. We know that that is evil. We know that that 2400 02:54:43.879 --> 02:54:46.600 is wrong. That is science falsely so called. That is Roman chapter one 2401 02:54:46.639 --> 02:54:50.719 suppressing the truth. And the Man of God said that I get all of 2402 02:54:50.760 --> 02:54:54.319 that. And so really, at the end of the day that there was 2403 02:54:54.360 --> 02:54:58.399 a lot of talk about creation, but not really a lot of talk about 2404 02:54:58.680 --> 02:55:05.159 yay or nay about flat Earth. We believe in creation just because I believe 2405 02:55:05.319 --> 02:55:07.559 in a model that is different than yours, which I believe is our show 2406 02:55:07.559 --> 02:55:13.440 and a long it's biblical does not mean that I'm an evolutionist. I don't 2407 02:55:13.440 --> 02:55:18.559 believe in evolution. I don't believe that that science is greater than the Bible. 2408 02:55:18.600 --> 02:55:22.440 Because the Bible is not a science book, but it's scientifically accurate. 2409 02:55:22.520 --> 02:55:26.440 You understand, it's not a math book, but it's mathematically accurate. And 2410 02:55:26.479 --> 02:55:35.440 so to begin the debate with really what I would consider a straw man argument 2411 02:55:35.520 --> 02:55:37.760 of it's about creation. Yeah, of course, it's about creation. We 2412 02:55:37.799 --> 02:55:43.840 don't disagree on creation. We don't even disagree on the way that God did 2413 02:55:43.920 --> 02:55:48.200 creation. We know in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, 2414 02:55:48.239 --> 02:55:52.120 and the earth was void, and darkness was upon the face of the deed, 2415 02:55:52.319 --> 02:55:54.440 and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, and 2416 02:55:54.479 --> 02:55:56.920 God said, let there be light, and there was light. Nobody in 2417 02:55:56.920 --> 02:56:00.760 this room, unless you're lost, would deny the reality of that biblical fact. 2418 02:56:00.760 --> 02:56:03.959 And so we're really not fighting creation. We're fighting let me just use 2419 02:56:03.959 --> 02:56:09.000 the word cosmology, right, we're fighting the shape of the earth. Okay, 2420 02:56:09.159 --> 02:56:11.319 So I'm gonna get to the Bible. But it's interesting because so many 2421 02:56:11.319 --> 02:56:16.399 times people say, well, this is what all of the early believers believe. 2422 02:56:16.559 --> 02:56:20.319 No it's not, it's what some ancient Hebrews believe. Absolutely it is, 2423 02:56:20.680 --> 02:56:24.760 and they like to use that little picture from Logo Software. Logo Software 2424 02:56:24.959 --> 02:56:30.000 is promoting you know, this particular idea. I called Logo Software and I 2425 02:56:30.040 --> 02:56:31.360 said, look, I gotta ask you guys a question. They sent me 2426 02:56:31.399 --> 02:56:35.559 actually a statement back, an email statement that I have in my phone right 2427 02:56:35.600 --> 02:56:39.680 now, and they say, we absolutely do not believe in what they say 2428 02:56:39.920 --> 02:56:45.079 anti science when it comes to the flat earth theory. We just have to 2429 02:56:45.079 --> 02:56:48.639 put things in there based off of what people actually did believe at one time, 2430 02:56:48.799 --> 02:56:56.120 until they begin to understand through observation, through experimentation, and through what 2431 02:56:56.159 --> 02:56:58.719 you guys would say, what you can clearly see, experience and feel. 2432 02:57:00.079 --> 02:57:03.760 And so it's not that some people did not have that cosmology. But please 2433 02:57:03.840 --> 02:57:09.360 know this because here's where flout Earth for sometimes on YouTube want to change the 2434 02:57:09.360 --> 02:57:13.440 game a little bit. They tell you that it was the cosmology. No, 2435 02:57:13.440 --> 02:57:16.120 no, it was a cosmology because a lot of people believe that the 2436 02:57:16.120 --> 02:57:20.000 Earth was on the back of a turtle, or it was square, or 2437 02:57:20.079 --> 02:57:24.479 it was triangle, or it was and some people still believe this to this 2438 02:57:24.559 --> 02:57:26.520 day, an infinite plane, over and over and over. Some people, 2439 02:57:26.520 --> 02:57:28.600 and I'm not saying the people in here, so you ain't got a boom 2440 02:57:28.600 --> 02:57:33.239 me, but some people have the fantastical notion that if you could somehow get 2441 02:57:33.239 --> 02:57:35.559 to what they refer to as the edges of the earth, when you go 2442 02:57:35.600 --> 02:57:37.600 through one side, like pac Man, you come back in the opposite side. 2443 02:57:39.799 --> 02:57:43.799 Now we've gone into signs fiction realm. Okay, now we've gone far 2444 02:57:43.280 --> 02:57:46.479 beyond the reality of the Bible. And then they're like, well, you 2445 02:57:46.520 --> 02:57:48.920 know, that's just how things operate in space. Well, you don't believe 2446 02:57:48.920 --> 02:57:52.120 in space, so you don't get that argument. You understand, right, 2447 02:57:52.319 --> 02:58:01.079 And so the Bible is extraordinarily clear. I believe. And so let me 2448 02:58:01.079 --> 02:58:03.840 say this in Acts, chapter seventeen and verse twenty six. You know, 2449 02:58:03.840 --> 02:58:05.840 if the Bible says we are all men made of one blood, for to 2450 02:58:05.879 --> 02:58:09.879 dwell on all the face of the earth. The times are appointed, And 2451 02:58:09.920 --> 02:58:13.040 here's what God says, And he hath given us the bounds of our habitation. 2452 02:58:16.239 --> 02:58:18.239 That's why I don't believe in aliens. We agree with that, right, 2453 02:58:18.680 --> 02:58:22.280 I don't believe in et and little green men. I do believe that 2454 02:58:22.399 --> 02:58:24.959 is going to be a last Day's deception, that they are going to say, 2455 02:58:24.959 --> 02:58:26.600 oh, look what the aliens can ain't no aliens. You believe in 2456 02:58:26.600 --> 02:58:28.760 that nonsense, you need quit smoking mouth. Okay, you don't believe. 2457 02:58:28.760 --> 02:58:33.280 There's no such thing as that. But I want you to understand that at 2458 02:58:33.280 --> 02:58:35.879 the end of the day, right here, according to the Bible, he 2459 02:58:35.040 --> 02:58:39.040 bound our habitation. My question is, why does he have to specifically tell 2460 02:58:39.120 --> 02:58:46.319 us that our habitation to Earth has been bound? Because the other planets, 2461 02:58:46.639 --> 02:58:48.920 yes I believe in them, that He created, are not habitable. They 2462 02:58:50.000 --> 02:58:54.399 were just built because the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament, 2463 02:58:54.600 --> 02:58:58.479 the firmament, the heaven showeth his handyword, and the handy word. According 2464 02:58:58.600 --> 02:59:01.639 to what the Bible just said in Psalm chapter number eight, that David was 2465 02:59:01.639 --> 02:59:05.959 so mesmerized by the handiwork was the moon and the stars and all that God 2466 02:59:07.000 --> 02:59:13.799 created. We have been bound to inhabit only the Earth, and so from 2467 02:59:13.840 --> 02:59:18.840 that banished point that makes us the center of God's creation. But the Earth 2468 02:59:20.000 --> 02:59:24.719 itself is not the center of a orbital galaxy. It's just not. There's 2469 02:59:24.760 --> 02:59:28.360 nowhere around that fact, I know I won't get nearly as much applause. 2470 02:59:28.399 --> 02:59:31.440 And the reason our people aren't gonna applaud because they're just trying to figure out 2471 02:59:31.440 --> 02:59:35.159 what I'm gonna say, because they never heard some of this up. So 2472 02:59:35.200 --> 02:59:37.360 they're just trying to hold on for dear life and buckle in and hope I 2473 02:59:37.360 --> 02:59:39.079 don't break a microphone tonight, right, and so they miss quiet as they 2474 02:59:39.079 --> 02:59:43.600 won't do. You see, I don't have to have collaps I don't have 2475 02:59:43.680 --> 02:59:46.959 to have validation. I got sixty six books right here that will validate everything 2476 02:59:48.000 --> 02:59:50.040 that's about to come out of my mouth. Eleven hundred and eighty nine chapters, 2477 02:59:50.360 --> 02:59:54.639 frank seven hundred ninety one thousand, three hundred and twenty eight words. 2478 02:59:54.760 --> 02:59:56.479 Okay, the Bible is going to tell us everything we need to know. 2479 02:59:56.600 --> 03:00:00.040 Now, I'm about to pull something out here, and you go, I 2480 03:00:00.040 --> 03:00:01.399 have to start flipping around with me and help me out here. But I 2481 03:00:01.440 --> 03:00:05.680 want to go further and prove that about we're the only one that's inhabited, 2482 03:00:05.680 --> 03:00:07.239 but we're certainly not the only one. You know what Hebrews eleven says, 2483 03:00:07.959 --> 03:00:13.280 it's a faith chapter. And Hebrews eleven and verse three says, by faith, 2484 03:00:13.440 --> 03:00:20.159 we know that the world's plural. We're framed by the word of God. 2485 03:00:22.040 --> 03:00:26.159 He does not say by faith we know that the world. He said, 2486 03:00:26.200 --> 03:00:31.399 by faith, we know that the world's multiple. We're framed by the 2487 03:00:31.399 --> 03:00:35.280 word of God. And the reason that's important is because Acts seventeen, as 2488 03:00:35.319 --> 03:00:39.079 we just said, because there are multiple planets, there is only one that 2489 03:00:39.200 --> 03:00:43.520 is inhabited, because there is only one that Jesus was sent to to die 2490 03:00:43.520 --> 03:00:50.639 for the sins of the people that inhabit that earth. So there was a 2491 03:00:50.639 --> 03:00:52.879 time I thought, well, you know, maybe this is not a gospel 2492 03:00:52.920 --> 03:00:54.600 issue, and I don't want to make it a gospel issue. But when 2493 03:00:54.639 --> 03:00:58.520 you say things open ended, like if you're a Christian, then you're gonna 2494 03:00:58.520 --> 03:01:07.239 have to believe the way that we're that's that's dangerous. That's dangerous because you 2495 03:01:07.280 --> 03:01:11.399 can believe flat, square, spherical and go to hell with it. Broke 2496 03:01:11.520 --> 03:01:16.680 back. This ain't about the shape of the earth. Okay, this is 2497 03:01:16.719 --> 03:01:20.680 not a salvation issue at all. And I'll go one step further and I'm 2498 03:01:20.680 --> 03:01:24.879 gonna get to the word Praise God. I got time. I am excited 2499 03:01:24.920 --> 03:01:28.239 about atheists that if listen, if you think I'm gonta sit there and me 2500 03:01:28.239 --> 03:01:30.799 be like, I'm not gonna applaud man. I'm happy when anybody gets born 2501 03:01:30.840 --> 03:01:35.719 again, Paul said, if Christ be preaching contention, he's gonna be excited 2502 03:01:35.719 --> 03:01:39.639 about it. Amen. So I'm excited when people get saved. But let 2503 03:01:39.680 --> 03:01:43.440 me tell you something very interesting. You gotta be careful about that because what 2504 03:01:43.559 --> 03:01:48.120 it sounds like is flat Earth saved me. No, the Gospel saved you. 2505 03:01:48.600 --> 03:01:54.079 Flat Earth may have been a highway that got you there, right, 2506 03:01:54.079 --> 03:01:58.760 and that's okay. Creation may be something that got you there, but it 2507 03:01:58.799 --> 03:02:07.079 didn't save you. Globe Earth didn't save you. She's a saved you. 2508 03:02:07.840 --> 03:02:09.719 You didn't put down a bottle because of the shape of the earth. You 2509 03:02:09.760 --> 03:02:13.959 put down a bottle because the shape of your heart got changed when Jesus invaded 2510 03:02:15.000 --> 03:02:18.120 your space. Now I'm supposed to be debate, not preaching, but listen, 2511 03:02:20.840 --> 03:02:22.440 I mean, just just just think about that from us. So I'm 2512 03:02:22.440 --> 03:02:24.760 not against the people that have been saved. I'm glad for it. But 2513 03:02:24.760 --> 03:02:26.799 but I want you to think about something. I wrote this down for later 2514 03:02:26.840 --> 03:02:30.959 rebuttal but we rolling listen. This is not, by the way, a 2515 03:02:30.959 --> 03:02:33.760 loaded question. Okay, this is not a loaded question. This is important. 2516 03:02:35.159 --> 03:02:37.319 I just want to ask Pat pastor Dean just from your vantage point. 2517 03:02:37.319 --> 03:02:39.120 And here's why I'm asking you this. Okay, So this is not a 2518 03:02:39.200 --> 03:02:45.639 trick question because I think we agree on this. Do you believe or do 2519 03:02:45.680 --> 03:02:48.399 you teach like a secret rapture? Because I don't? Okay, Okay, 2520 03:02:48.479 --> 03:02:52.639 great, so we agree on that. There was a time I was all, 2521 03:02:52.000 --> 03:02:54.600 you know, do you jumping Jack's? Okay? Right, I get 2522 03:02:54.639 --> 03:03:00.600 it, and and listen, the rapture is not a salvation issue, okay. 2523 03:03:01.120 --> 03:03:03.440 So there was a time that I really did you know? I preach 2524 03:03:03.559 --> 03:03:07.479 rapture, rapture, rapture. So here's why I bring that up. Both 2525 03:03:07.520 --> 03:03:15.559 he and myself do not teach a secret rapture. But neither one of us 2526 03:03:15.600 --> 03:03:20.639 would discount the number of converts that had been reached because of things like left 2527 03:03:20.639 --> 03:03:26.440 behind movies and books and teaching about a secret rapture. So neither one of 2528 03:03:26.520 --> 03:03:28.159 us teaching, but neither one of U would get a pert and say, 2529 03:03:28.200 --> 03:03:30.920 well, you can't really be born again because you came around and you know, 2530 03:03:31.760 --> 03:03:33.360 in a false theological system, no, they can get born again. 2531 03:03:35.559 --> 03:03:41.719 So it's interesting that you can use a wrong model, but get right results 2532 03:03:41.959 --> 03:03:46.719 because the results are based on the Gospel, not on the model. You 2533 03:03:46.799 --> 03:03:52.760 understands that makes sense. I hope it does. You know, Moses got 2534 03:03:52.799 --> 03:03:56.920 water out of the rock both times, but one time was right and one 2535 03:03:56.920 --> 03:04:03.399 time was wrong. Right, so understand that. I'm not against the fact 2536 03:04:03.440 --> 03:04:07.559 that people get said. I'm glad people get back in church because of conspiracy 2537 03:04:07.600 --> 03:04:09.959 theories that led them to flat Earth. I am great with that. I'm 2538 03:04:09.959 --> 03:04:13.239 not against that. Okay, there are people in this room, for example, 2539 03:04:13.360 --> 03:04:18.719 that are glaringly a thousand percent different from me. But if we weren't 2540 03:04:18.719 --> 03:04:20.479 necessarily having this conversation, I think would get along. I think me and 2541 03:04:20.520 --> 03:04:24.399 flat earth Day could go to coffee and really kind of be friends. But 2542 03:04:24.479 --> 03:04:28.079 if you put us on a YouTube channel, I'm telling you whoa the Earth 2543 03:04:28.120 --> 03:04:31.760 would spind. I'm telling you it's just the facts. Okay, It's just 2544 03:04:31.840 --> 03:04:35.559 the facts. And so I'm not trying to be a jerk for Jesus. 2545 03:04:35.600 --> 03:04:39.879 I'm just trying to tell you the Bible's pretty plain, and the only way 2546 03:04:39.920 --> 03:04:43.479 a person really comes to faith is through Jesus, not through helio centrism, 2547 03:04:43.520 --> 03:04:46.440 geocentrism and all these big fancy words that most people have no idea what they 2548 03:04:46.440 --> 03:04:48.440 mean. Okay, I'm just a hell billy. I'd like to use simple 2549 03:04:48.600 --> 03:04:52.879 King James English. All right, Now, I'm not going to guys. 2550 03:04:52.959 --> 03:04:56.040 I want you to put up the passage if they can hear me in the 2551 03:04:56.079 --> 03:04:58.159 back. If not, I'll turn to it. He said I was going 2552 03:04:58.239 --> 03:05:01.920 to attack his message in this book. I'm not gonna attack it. I'm 2553 03:05:01.920 --> 03:05:05.479 just gonna correct it. All right. So Job thirty eight is where I 2554 03:05:05.479 --> 03:05:07.479 want the guys to go if they can hear me back there. If not, 2555 03:05:07.479 --> 03:05:11.639 I'll just read it. Job thirty eight. Need you to go there? 2556 03:05:11.719 --> 03:05:15.040 This is important job chapter number thirty eight, verse twelve through fourteen. 2557 03:05:15.120 --> 03:05:18.360 All right, Job thirty eight, twelve through fourteen. Now, I did 2558 03:05:18.399 --> 03:05:20.879 read the book, not all of it, not verbatim, not word for 2559 03:05:20.920 --> 03:05:24.760 word. I did like chapter six because it had a lot to talk about 2560 03:05:24.920 --> 03:05:28.600 the testimonials of people that are being saved, that have been saved. Now, 2561 03:05:30.440 --> 03:05:33.479 let me read through this. Right. Here is the clay under the 2562 03:05:33.559 --> 03:05:37.360 seal analogy that he uses. I don't attack that because I'm gonna be honest 2563 03:05:37.399 --> 03:05:45.479 with you. I'm not real interested in the whole smashdown in the whole stamp 2564 03:05:45.559 --> 03:05:50.399 down, in the whole upturn sides. And I'm not interested in it from 2565 03:05:50.399 --> 03:05:56.559 this passage because this is not at all what that passage has anything to do 2566 03:05:56.680 --> 03:06:00.479 with. Okay, I just I want to show you now it's on the 2567 03:06:00.479 --> 03:06:03.879 screens there. But sometimes I like to turn to certain places in the Bible. 2568 03:06:03.600 --> 03:06:09.760 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days? Now again he was correct. 2569 03:06:11.239 --> 03:06:16.079 Okay, job is being rebuked by the Lord harshly. Things are happening 2570 03:06:16.120 --> 03:06:20.360 in this context. God's asking him eighty four questions and are basically unanswerable. 2571 03:06:20.879 --> 03:06:24.719 And so he says, look, have you commanded the morning since thy days? 2572 03:06:24.840 --> 03:06:26.040 No, you haven't commanded the morning? Okay, because we don't get 2573 03:06:26.079 --> 03:06:28.920 to do that. But watch this, and caused the day spring to know 2574 03:06:30.040 --> 03:06:33.600 his place? Well, what's the day spring? Well, the day springs 2575 03:06:33.600 --> 03:06:35.079 is just a King James word for the sunrise. And we know later in 2576 03:06:35.159 --> 03:06:39.399 the context that Jesus is called the day spring, right, and so understand 2577 03:06:39.440 --> 03:06:43.559 he's just he's simply talking about an analogy of the sun. Right here, 2578 03:06:43.959 --> 03:06:48.399 he says, plainly, is this not the day spring? Don't don't hey, 2579 03:06:48.399 --> 03:06:50.559 guys, don't move them things back there because I don't know my Bible 2580 03:06:50.680 --> 03:06:52.079 until I go to the next one. Thank you, And so you caused 2581 03:06:52.120 --> 03:06:56.639 the day spring the sunrise to know his place. Hey, it's obvious he's 2582 03:06:56.639 --> 03:07:01.280 talking about the sunrise. Now watch this that it and I see that word 2583 03:07:01.319 --> 03:07:05.959 it. Oh, you're gonna get quiet now that I brought the Bible out. 2584 03:07:07.000 --> 03:07:13.120 What's the word? It referring to the subject, which is the day 2585 03:07:13.159 --> 03:07:18.239 spring, which is the sunrise? Y'all quit changing in passages back there, 2586 03:07:18.319 --> 03:07:22.719 go back to verse number twelve again, hast thou command of the morning since 2587 03:07:22.760 --> 03:07:26.319 the days and cause the day spring the noise place that it the day spring. 2588 03:07:26.360 --> 03:07:31.159 The sunrise might take hold of the ends of the earth. We'll get 2589 03:07:31.159 --> 03:07:35.239 to that passage that the wicked might be shaken out of it. Next verse 2590 03:07:35.319 --> 03:07:39.920 he's still talking about the sunrise. He's saying that nothing, as the Man 2591 03:07:39.959 --> 03:07:41.959 of God said, is going to escape the heat of the sun. The 2592 03:07:43.040 --> 03:07:46.959 Sun's going to rise. No wicked person can hide. Okay, it doesn't 2593 03:07:46.000 --> 03:07:48.920 matter. Men love darkness rather than light. But the sun's gonna rise, 2594 03:07:48.959 --> 03:07:52.079 It's gonna shine light. It's what the Bible says, that it might take 2595 03:07:52.120 --> 03:07:54.920 hold of the ends of the earth. That the wicked might be shaken out 2596 03:07:54.959 --> 03:07:58.920 of it. Watch this, It is turned, and he's correcting in his 2597 03:08:00.120 --> 03:08:01.520 analogy to say that the word does not mean turned like this. He's not 2598 03:08:01.520 --> 03:08:07.680 talking about orbiting so much change. It is changed as clay to the seal. 2599 03:08:09.879 --> 03:08:13.639 Now listen, we can use a thousand analogies about rings being pressed into 2600 03:08:13.680 --> 03:08:18.559 wax. Here's exactly one thousand percent. Nowhere around it. Nowhere around it. 2601 03:08:18.719 --> 03:08:22.319 He could even come back up and explain himself about it if you want 2602 03:08:22.360 --> 03:08:26.000 suit right, But I got a long way to go, he says. 2603 03:08:26.159 --> 03:08:31.440 Just as wax has no form whatsoever, okay, And we don't even talk 2604 03:08:31.440 --> 03:08:37.600 in this terminology. This is old English. Just as wax has no form. 2605 03:08:37.879 --> 03:08:41.360 It's just wax. It's just hot wax, he says. Just like 2606 03:08:41.440 --> 03:08:46.200 when a signet, signet ring roll, I don't care what it is, 2607 03:08:46.280 --> 03:08:50.719 okay. Just like when it is dipped in the wax. What happens. 2608 03:08:50.440 --> 03:08:58.000 The wax gets into the cracks of the signet, and the signet comes to 2609 03:08:58.079 --> 03:09:05.239 life before your very eyes. When the sun rises, it takes the darkness 2610 03:09:05.280 --> 03:09:11.879 of the face of an earth that has no contour and no shape. But 2611 03:09:11.000 --> 03:09:16.760 as the sun rises, the darkness of the crevices and the cracks of the 2612 03:09:16.799 --> 03:09:24.719 earth began to show themselves. And when the sun rises, it sheds light 2613 03:09:24.280 --> 03:09:30.600 on an earth that you could not see its contours and curvature or whatever you 2614 03:09:30.639 --> 03:09:35.239 want to call it before that. And so just as the sun brings reality 2615 03:09:35.520 --> 03:09:39.520 to what we could not see, so when a ring is dap dipped into 2616 03:09:39.600 --> 03:09:43.000 the wax, all of a sudden, the wax feels up the crack. 2617 03:09:43.200 --> 03:09:48.680 There's only one thing he is talking about, and it is the revelation that 2618 03:09:48.959 --> 03:09:56.559 sunlight brings when the sun rises in the morning. Now, wait a minute, 2619 03:09:58.879 --> 03:10:09.000 is there anybody in the room that would say that's theological gymnastics, because 2620 03:10:09.000 --> 03:10:16.879 it's not talking about the dayspring. Is it talking about the sunrise? Yes? 2621 03:10:16.959 --> 03:10:24.680 Or no. It's only talking about the sunrise. And as the sun 2622 03:10:24.799 --> 03:10:31.959 rises, it sheds light on things we could not see. Just as wax 2623 03:10:31.239 --> 03:10:37.399 has no form until you dip something in it that has form, and it 2624 03:10:37.680 --> 03:10:41.639 come forms to it, and now you can clearly see it. And by 2625 03:10:41.680 --> 03:10:45.319 the way, that happened in the very first chapter of the Bible, because 2626 03:10:45.360 --> 03:10:48.559 when darkness was upon the face of the deed, God said, let there 2627 03:10:48.600 --> 03:10:52.680 be light, and guess what the light shed abroad the contour of what God 2628 03:10:52.799 --> 03:10:58.440 was creating. This verse is not about cosmology. I'm sorry. Now, 2629 03:10:58.799 --> 03:11:03.760 it may be a cute verse to use and talk about the upside the upturned 2630 03:11:03.799 --> 03:11:07.719 sides, and that's great, that's fine. I don't mind if you use 2631 03:11:07.760 --> 03:11:11.639 it. Here's my beef with it. You can believe the earth is any 2632 03:11:11.680 --> 03:11:16.760 shape you want to, and we can have coffee, just not Starbucks. 2633 03:11:24.600 --> 03:11:30.319 My dripe is not with people that believe flat earth. My gripe is with 2634 03:11:30.360 --> 03:11:37.520 people that say the Bible teaches it. That's a totally different concept. Now, 2635 03:11:37.559 --> 03:11:41.319 look, it ain't kill the ogretime. Chill out, chill out. 2636 03:11:41.319 --> 03:11:43.559 I'm five verses in and get a lot way to go. I'm going so 2637 03:11:43.719 --> 03:11:48.559 on purpose, because look, you cannot take that verse, I mean anything 2638 03:11:48.559 --> 03:11:52.479 other than what it means. It's a sunrise verse. That's it. It 2639 03:11:52.559 --> 03:11:56.399 is a sun rise verse, that is it. Okay, Anyhow, let's 2640 03:11:56.440 --> 03:12:01.680 get to some Bible and has if we've got already dealt with some When I 2641 03:12:01.680 --> 03:12:03.479 talk about the Bible, let me say something. I'm not talking about the 2642 03:12:03.520 --> 03:12:07.120 Book of Enoch. Stop that nonsense. Stop it. You see, you 2643 03:12:07.200 --> 03:12:09.799 like to quote the book of Enoch when it fits. But when you get 2644 03:12:09.879 --> 03:12:13.760 later in the Book of Enoch when it doesn't fit, you skip those parts. 2645 03:12:13.760 --> 03:12:16.040 Anybody's like the Book of Enu, Well, you know the Bible quotes 2646 03:12:16.079 --> 03:12:18.639 the Book of Enoch. Yeah, and what part of the Bible quotes guess 2647 03:12:18.680 --> 03:12:24.959 what the Apostle Paul also quoted lost historians and poets. It was historical framework. 2648 03:12:24.520 --> 03:12:30.680 But if you're gonna say the Bible teaches a flat earth, then don't 2649 03:12:30.840 --> 03:12:33.719 use a non canonized book that's not in the Bible to do it. Am 2650 03:12:33.760 --> 03:12:39.239 I making sense? You don't get to say I believe the Bible the Book 2651 03:12:39.280 --> 03:12:41.440 of Enoch says. I don't care what the Book of Enox says. The 2652 03:12:41.440 --> 03:12:45.879 Book of Enoch was not even written by Enoch. And don't say things like, 2653 03:12:45.920 --> 03:12:48.600 well, you know David had it on his mind when he was writing. 2654 03:12:48.639 --> 03:12:52.799 The Book of Enoch was at least a thousand years after David. Okay, 2655 03:12:52.040 --> 03:12:54.840 And so when I say I'm going to talk about what the Bible says, 2656 03:12:54.879 --> 03:13:01.399 I don't care what NASA says. Did you know there is not one 2657 03:13:01.399 --> 03:13:05.280 thing I believe about the Earth that NASA taught me. I can't remember one 2658 03:13:05.319 --> 03:13:07.799 single time I saw one guy. He did a video. He's like, 2659 03:13:07.799 --> 03:13:11.840 well, you know, I got a plastic globe here and on the bottom 2660 03:13:11.879 --> 03:13:15.079 of it. You know why we can't trust it because it says not for 2661 03:13:15.280 --> 03:13:18.799 educational purposes. Okay, right? Cool? You ever seen in the back 2662 03:13:18.840 --> 03:13:28.639 of a condom box it says it don't prevent sexually transmitted diseases or pregnancy. 2663 03:13:28.479 --> 03:13:35.840 It's a disclaimer, folks. There's nothing I believe about the globe that I 2664 03:13:37.040 --> 03:13:41.000 learned from NASA, right, and I love these huge leaps of faith. 2665 03:13:41.159 --> 03:13:46.159 Well, he went from working from Disney to NASA, so it's all fake 2666 03:13:48.000 --> 03:13:54.840 that is excused upon circular reasoning. That's nonsense. I don't care what NASA 2667 03:13:54.879 --> 03:14:00.719 says. There's never been a time in my life that I've ever can have. 2668 03:14:00.840 --> 03:14:05.639 I don't care what NASA says. You know, Samuel Robothum was a 2669 03:14:05.639 --> 03:14:09.239 long time before NASA. What was his excuse? He was a snake old 2670 03:14:09.239 --> 03:14:11.920 salesman that believe he had an elixir that if you drank it you would live 2671 03:14:13.000 --> 03:14:16.879 Everlastingly. The guy had more atheism than he did Christianity, and his Christianity 2672 03:14:16.959 --> 03:14:22.200 was sketchy at best. He's like in his middle twenties, when he comes 2673 03:14:22.280 --> 03:14:30.000 up with the zetetic astronomy. But I would not trust my twenty one year 2674 03:14:30.079 --> 03:14:39.159 old son to pastor and outhouse, much less build my entire theological framework by 2675 03:14:39.200 --> 03:14:43.440 some cat that couldn't get a real job. And so what he decides to 2676 03:14:43.479 --> 03:14:46.079 do is go to a channel, go to a creek that seemed to be 2677 03:14:46.200 --> 03:14:50.360 flat for like three or four miles, and because it seemed to be flat, 2678 03:14:50.399 --> 03:14:54.479 which was later disproven by the way, which was seen to be flat 2679 03:14:54.760 --> 03:14:58.440 for just a few miles. Now he's built this entire theological framework that the 2680 03:14:58.600 --> 03:15:03.479 church has bought into hook line and sinker. And they say we believe the 2681 03:15:03.479 --> 03:15:09.159 Bible, we believe the Bible, and quote no Bible. I don't care 2682 03:15:09.200 --> 03:15:13.719 what NASA says, I don't care what your fifth grade teacher said. Those 2683 03:15:13.760 --> 03:15:18.239 people are not the authority in my life. Okay, Disney is definitely not 2684 03:15:18.479 --> 03:15:24.440 the perverted authority in my life. There's things we can agree on, but 2685 03:15:24.479 --> 03:15:26.920 stop saying you believe the Bible and then discounting the Bible. So here's what 2686 03:15:28.120 --> 03:15:31.959 happened. Right from the very get go. He said, you can't get 2687 03:15:31.040 --> 03:15:33.639 up and say that the Bible is just metaphors. Well, you can if 2688 03:15:33.639 --> 03:15:41.319 it's a metaphor. If it's intended to be metaphorical, it's intended to be 2689 03:15:41.360 --> 03:15:46.079 a metaphorical You can only take the Bible literally where it's supposed to be taken 2690 03:15:46.159 --> 03:15:52.719 literally. And many times figurative analogy leads to literal understanding, right of a 2691 03:15:52.799 --> 03:15:56.719 metaphorical you know translation. There are many metaphors in the Bible. I'm just 2692 03:15:56.719 --> 03:16:00.360 gonna very quickly explain that to you. Right, think about this one. 2693 03:16:00.559 --> 03:16:03.760 In John chapter three, Jesus came to a guy named Nicodemus and said, 2694 03:16:03.799 --> 03:16:09.600 ye must be born again. Well, Nicodemus had the same mindset as a 2695 03:16:09.600 --> 03:16:13.159 lot of people in this tent, because he was such a literalist. He 2696 03:16:13.239 --> 03:16:15.360 said, oh, does that mean I got to re enter my mother's womb 2697 03:16:15.360 --> 03:16:18.479 and be born? And Jesus said, no, that which is born of 2698 03:16:18.520 --> 03:16:20.959 flesh is flesh. But that was just born of spirit, a spirit marvel, 2699 03:16:22.040 --> 03:16:24.559 not that I said under the ye must be born again. That's the 2700 03:16:24.719 --> 03:16:28.600 biggest metaphor in the whole Bible. And nobody in this room would have trouble 2701 03:16:28.600 --> 03:16:33.879 with that. Everybody sees that it was a metaphorical reference that led to a 2702 03:16:35.120 --> 03:16:39.239 literal salvation. In this man's life. But it was a metaphor. Ye 2703 03:16:39.319 --> 03:16:41.079 must be born again. No, you don't crawl back into mama's wound. 2704 03:16:41.159 --> 03:16:45.280 Thank God. Right, it's a metaphor. So you can't say things like, 2705 03:16:45.280 --> 03:16:48.000 well, don't say the Bible's metaphor. Well, you can because in 2706 03:16:48.040 --> 03:16:50.879 Psalm twenty three and verse five, the Bible says God prepares a table in 2707 03:16:50.920 --> 03:16:56.360 the wilderness. Do you think that's literal? You sitting out in the wilderness. 2708 03:16:58.159 --> 03:17:05.079 Now, look y'all gonna watch me eat arrows flying everywhere. It's not 2709 03:17:05.200 --> 03:17:09.520 literal, it's figurative. It's a metaphor. It's a metaphor that God's gonna 2710 03:17:09.520 --> 03:17:13.600 provide for you and protect you no matter what situation you face. And by 2711 03:17:13.600 --> 03:17:18.360 the way, no matter what your cosmology is, that's true. Nam Chapter 2712 03:17:18.399 --> 03:17:22.920 one, verse three. The clouds are the dust of his feet. The 2713 03:17:22.920 --> 03:17:26.239 clouds are the dust of his feet. Sometimes I play with that one. 2714 03:17:26.239 --> 03:17:28.239 I'll be sitting on an airplane. I'll look at somebody and say, hey, 2715 03:17:28.319 --> 03:17:33.680 we just missed him. Then be like what, look at the Bible 2716 03:17:33.719 --> 03:17:35.959 says name one three the clouds of the dust of his feet. Okay, 2717 03:17:35.079 --> 03:17:41.159 look, it doesn't literally mean that God's walking around right now in the sky, 2718 03:17:41.280 --> 03:17:43.920 in these clouds and those clouds, in those clouds. It's a metaphor 2719 03:17:43.079 --> 03:17:46.760 referring to the sovereignty of God that everywhere you look there's God's finger prints and 2720 03:17:46.760 --> 03:17:52.879 footprints. It's a metaphor. I love this one. Acts seventeen verse six. 2721 03:17:52.920 --> 03:17:56.399 Now, by the way, both parties are gonna like this one. 2722 03:17:56.399 --> 03:17:58.559 Pay attention, Buck Lynch, Act seventeen six. You know what the Bible 2723 03:17:58.600 --> 03:18:05.079 says. The Bible says that when these people were arrested, the religious crazy 2724 03:18:05.239 --> 03:18:09.600 political dignitaries looked at these disciples and said, these men have turned the world 2725 03:18:09.639 --> 03:18:18.040 upside down. Now, if that's literal, y'all's model is screwed. Woo. 2726 03:18:20.959 --> 03:18:24.280 That's not literal. It's figurative. It's not even a globe situation. 2727 03:18:24.440 --> 03:18:28.600 He's not talking about turning the world upside down. He's talking about the power 2728 03:18:28.639 --> 03:18:31.840 of the Gospel through them made so much change around the world that it looked 2729 03:18:31.879 --> 03:18:37.719 like they were wrecking everything. Does that makes sense? Now? I know 2730 03:18:37.760 --> 03:18:39.319 when you go to Brother Dean Church, y'all get preaching right, you get 2731 03:18:39.360 --> 03:18:43.479 the word of the Lord. But I can tell and our people they get 2732 03:18:43.479 --> 03:18:45.520 the word of the Lord. I can tell some of y'all done showed up. 2733 03:18:45.520 --> 03:18:46.879 And y'all don't have a pastor that preaches the Bible because you can't figure 2734 03:18:46.920 --> 03:18:50.479 out right now what you're supposed to believe, because what you want to believe 2735 03:18:50.680 --> 03:18:54.319 is what YouTube told you. What you failed or believe is what God clearly 2736 03:18:54.319 --> 03:18:58.559 tells you in the Bible. And that's danger, and that's where you are 2737 03:18:58.559 --> 03:19:03.600 going to have to draw the line right. And so there's metaphors and turn 2738 03:19:03.639 --> 03:19:05.440 the world upside down. That's a metaphor. Oh you'll love this metaphor Isaiah 2739 03:19:05.479 --> 03:19:09.280 sixty six and verse number one. Heaven is his throne, Earth is his 2740 03:19:09.440 --> 03:19:15.079 footstool. Okay. First of all, God is a spirit. They that 2741 03:19:15.120 --> 03:19:16.680 worship prem must Worstupremian spirit. In truth, you start talking about God having 2742 03:19:16.680 --> 03:19:24.280 feet, that's not even Christian theology anymore, okay, And so understand listen 2743 03:19:24.280 --> 03:19:33.399 to me. It says simply that the footstool was beneath the sovereign rule and 2744 03:19:33.479 --> 03:19:37.760 the authority of God. And people are like and I don't say everybody in 2745 03:19:37.799 --> 03:19:39.200 this room, but there are people all of the Internet that say, well, 2746 03:19:39.200 --> 03:19:41.879 you know, it's a footstool. Footstool has pillars, a footstool is 2747 03:19:41.920 --> 03:19:46.159 slat. Well, that's cuted until you get to Hebrews chapter one, where 2748 03:19:46.200 --> 03:19:52.840 God the Father said to God the Son, because Jesus is God, deny 2749 03:19:52.920 --> 03:19:56.200 that theology. Now, I don't care what your cosmology is. Okay, 2750 03:19:56.760 --> 03:20:01.920 God the Father said to God the Son, I'm gonna make your enemies your 2751 03:20:01.959 --> 03:20:07.040 footstool. You see, both of them are figurative, because you can't use 2752 03:20:07.040 --> 03:20:11.680 footstool Isaiah sixty six and verse one to proclaim flat earth unless you're gonna believe 2753 03:20:11.719 --> 03:20:16.520 that enemies are flat as well. It is figurative language, ladies and gentlemen, 2754 03:20:16.520 --> 03:20:22.920 there, it's a metaphor. It's an analogy that God is very clearly 2755 03:20:22.920 --> 03:20:24.000 speaking. What about this, Matthew chapter five. You are the light of 2756 03:20:24.000 --> 03:20:30.079 the world. Are you the light of the world? Yes, figuratively. 2757 03:20:30.159 --> 03:20:33.479 Here's why Jesus is the light of the world. We're the reflectors of the 2758 03:20:33.479 --> 03:20:37.479 glory and the light of God Matthew chapter five. But you don't walk around 2759 03:20:37.479 --> 03:20:43.200 with batteries in your back. It's a metaphor for the glowing of your testimony 2760 03:20:43.200 --> 03:20:46.680 because of the gospel, which, by the way, only half the crowd 2761 03:20:46.719 --> 03:20:50.479 will like this and less than half the crowd will understand this. That's also 2762 03:20:50.520 --> 03:20:56.159 a beautiful picture. You see, Jesus is the light. We're not the 2763 03:20:56.280 --> 03:21:00.120 light. We reflect and radiate that light, just like the moon reflect and 2764 03:21:00.200 --> 03:21:01.879 radiates the light of the sun, because the light does not come from the 2765 03:21:01.920 --> 03:21:05.600 moon itself. You do understand that, right half of you understand that. 2766 03:21:09.879 --> 03:21:18.000 It's metaphorical terminology. Metaphorical terminology. Metaphorical terminology. I got the mic. 2767 03:21:18.040 --> 03:21:22.600 You don't. Now here's one Remember when I said, when I did my 2768 03:21:22.680 --> 03:21:26.280 little what they call a die tribe, I got one verse. Everybody said, 2769 03:21:26.360 --> 03:21:30.239 yeah, he gonna go to Isaiah. Circle of the Earth. I 2770 03:21:30.280 --> 03:21:35.639 could care less circle ball because here's the argument. Well, a circle is 2771 03:21:35.680 --> 03:21:39.200 not a ball, that's true. But a ball is a circle. And 2772 03:21:39.239 --> 03:21:43.280 guess what ball in early Isaiah. He's exactly right, ball in circle two 2773 03:21:43.280 --> 03:21:46.959 different words. But you know what the word ball means in the Hebrew. 2774 03:21:46.200 --> 03:21:52.360 Circle. But I don't care about the circle of the earth. The comp 2775 03:21:52.360 --> 03:21:54.239 Okay, listen, that's not even than we take. You know, there's 2776 03:21:54.239 --> 03:21:58.360 one verse in the Bible that disproves flat earth immediately without hesitation. We had 2777 03:21:58.399 --> 03:22:03.559 to drop the mic and go home. Yet ready for you wanna wait for 2778 03:22:03.600 --> 03:22:09.360 it. Okay, this is what the Bible says. It's two verses one 2779 03:22:09.399 --> 03:22:16.639 concept Psalm one O three. Some of you know where I'm going. You 2780 03:22:16.920 --> 03:22:20.520 was hoping. I didn't know this one was in the Bible, verse eleven 2781 03:22:20.559 --> 03:22:24.079 and twelve. We're gonna take you one verse a time. For as the 2782 03:22:24.159 --> 03:22:28.840 heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy towards them that 2783 03:22:28.879 --> 03:22:31.239 fear him. Now do you believe that, yes or no? I do. 2784 03:22:31.479 --> 03:22:35.280 As the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy. 2785 03:22:35.520 --> 03:22:39.000 But if you believe there's a limit to the heaven, you've limited God's 2786 03:22:39.040 --> 03:22:43.719 mercy. And Roman says that you know, any height or depth can take 2787 03:22:43.719 --> 03:22:48.000 you away from the love of God. So if you're gonna tell me there's 2788 03:22:48.000 --> 03:22:52.639 a structure that's blocking the rest of the heaven, you have just minimized the 2789 03:22:52.680 --> 03:22:58.399 mercy of God. For as the heaven in the same way, in the 2790 03:22:58.440 --> 03:23:03.680 same man, as the heaven is high above the earth, not just a 2791 03:23:03.719 --> 03:23:07.600 few thousand, you know, miles, and the throne of God sits on 2792 03:23:07.680 --> 03:23:09.639 top of No, no, no, I'm explaining all that to you from 2793 03:23:09.639 --> 03:23:13.479 the Bible. Also, by by the way I have my right to a 2794 03:23:13.479 --> 03:23:20.799 theological opinion. You understand that I set there quietly clapped and amen, okay 2795 03:23:22.639 --> 03:23:26.319 the whole time, and enjoyed it and learn some stuff, because every man 2796 03:23:26.360 --> 03:23:28.520 can be my teacher. If you can't learn, if you know everything, 2797 03:23:28.559 --> 03:23:33.120 you need deliverance. So as the heaven is high above the earth, so 2798 03:23:33.200 --> 03:23:37.079 great is his mercy toward them that fear him. So then let me just 2799 03:23:37.079 --> 03:23:39.079 say it this way. My model, the mercy of God's endless. In 2800 03:23:39.120 --> 03:23:48.159 your model, there's a cap on it. Now, don't shrug your shoulders 2801 03:23:48.200 --> 03:23:50.040 and be like any what the Bible says. It's clinging with the Bibles. 2802 03:23:50.040 --> 03:23:52.680 I don't care what version you use. That's what it says. But that's 2803 03:23:52.719 --> 03:23:56.040 just the first part. Because you can believe, by the way, in 2804 03:23:56.120 --> 03:24:01.120 a dome, but not a flat earth. That's okay, I don't you. 2805 03:24:01.200 --> 03:24:03.319 Believing in a dome does not offend me. You see, you believe 2806 03:24:03.319 --> 03:24:09.600 in half a globe. You halfway there. We just believe God completed the 2807 03:24:09.600 --> 03:24:11.639 whole thing. You believe in a snow globe. We believe in the full 2808 03:24:11.680 --> 03:24:16.200 globe. Okay. But nonetheless, some of you, like man, I've 2809 03:24:16.200 --> 03:24:18.159 been believing flatter of loll inch time. I never heard my say it like 2810 03:24:18.159 --> 03:24:22.920 that. Well, that's all right, it's the facts, because here is 2811 03:24:22.000 --> 03:24:28.399 right here, the stop to the whole argument, as far shout far, 2812 03:24:31.040 --> 03:24:37.760 as far as the east is from the west. Now, wait a minute, 2813 03:24:39.360 --> 03:24:41.639 why is that even the theological concept? Because when you're going east, 2814 03:24:43.479 --> 03:24:48.680 you're always going east. When you're going west, you're always going west. 2815 03:24:50.360 --> 03:24:54.479 But when you go north, you eventually go south, and when you go 2816 03:24:54.600 --> 03:25:00.399 south, you eventually go north. Now I understand their explanation that in the 2817 03:25:00.399 --> 03:25:03.520 middle and then go south, south, south south. I just saw it 2818 03:25:03.799 --> 03:25:07.360 on his model. So not only have you limited the mercy of God, 2819 03:25:07.520 --> 03:25:13.319 you have limited the redemptive power of God. Because in a flat earth model, 2820 03:25:13.799 --> 03:25:18.120 east and west is not the same as in what the Bible teaches a 2821 03:25:18.200 --> 03:25:24.120 spherical earth matyr, where east and west never meets, never intersect, never 2822 03:25:24.200 --> 03:25:26.319 show up, and never say how they n shake hands as far as the 2823 03:25:26.360 --> 03:25:31.399 east is from the west. So God had taken my sin and remove them 2824 03:25:31.639 --> 03:25:37.000 far from me. They will never ever, ever, ever ever meet again 2825 03:25:37.280 --> 03:25:48.559 unless you're a flat earther. Is that no? Why is that not the 2826 03:25:48.600 --> 03:25:56.079 facts? Oh see, I love that. I love when they say that 2827 03:25:56.280 --> 03:26:03.079 going in circles is circumnavigation. No, no, no, Going in circles 2828 03:26:05.399 --> 03:26:13.440 is what people in a looney bin do. There is no proper East and 2829 03:26:13.479 --> 03:26:20.079 West unless you make it up on a flat earth model. Because if you 2830 03:26:20.159 --> 03:26:24.079 believe in infinite playing in all directions, some of you do, some of 2831 03:26:24.079 --> 03:26:28.879 you don't care, then guess what. North and South keep going, going, 2832 03:26:28.920 --> 03:26:31.280 going, going, going going. East and West keep going, going, 2833 03:26:31.319 --> 03:26:33.360 going, going going. And if you're going to say that, well, 2834 03:26:33.479 --> 03:26:35.200 you know, East and West just work on the inside, round and 2835 03:26:35.280 --> 03:26:39.319 round and round and round, you know as well as I do. That 2836 03:26:39.440 --> 03:26:46.680 had no intention in the text whatsoever. If that's the only verse we had 2837 03:26:46.799 --> 03:26:48.639 on what we need, I see them little balls float around. Look, 2838 03:26:48.639 --> 03:26:56.760 there is no other way to dissect and exegeat properly that verse other than what 2839 03:26:58.840 --> 03:27:00.920 we know to be true, because it's what the Bible said, not what 2840 03:27:01.079 --> 03:27:05.239 NASA said. See if you'll get mad all they want to. But I'll 2841 03:27:05.280 --> 03:27:07.399 preach to a full tenth tomorrow, whether you show back up or not. 2842 03:27:11.479 --> 03:27:13.840 I'm saying that I ain't here for money. I'm so sick of these people. 2843 03:27:13.920 --> 03:27:18.559 Well, you ain't nothing but a shield. I've heard people call Dean 2844 03:27:18.680 --> 03:27:24.319 a shield. Well, he's just paid opposition. What at least he believes 2845 03:27:24.319 --> 03:27:28.239 it. At least he's passionate enough to proclaim it and get up here and 2846 03:27:28.239 --> 03:27:30.559 fight it out and do get out in front of thousands of people all over 2847 03:27:30.559 --> 03:27:33.319 the world with me, y'all just a bunch of shields. Now, let 2848 03:27:33.360 --> 03:27:37.799 me tell you something. There ain't nobody in this room. Nobody in this 2849 03:27:37.920 --> 03:27:41.159 room. I promise you this today. Nobody in this room fought the Masonic 2850 03:27:41.200 --> 03:27:46.680 Lodge more than I have. That devilish, wicked, lowdown, sorry, 2851 03:27:46.719 --> 03:27:50.760 good for nothing, sex trafficing, satanic cult of an organization. It's wicked 2852 03:27:50.799 --> 03:28:01.360 as hell. But somehow or another, because I believe in a spherical earth, 2853 03:28:03.879 --> 03:28:09.120 I'm siding with the Masons. You know. The authority that tells us 2854 03:28:09.600 --> 03:28:16.360 who the Masons were in the historical records. Are people on YouTube that have 2855 03:28:16.360 --> 03:28:22.440 no authority to tell me that. Not everybody's in the Masonic Lodge. Folks, 2856 03:28:24.360 --> 03:28:26.639 some of you know I done called out some false prophets in this church. 2857 03:28:26.680 --> 03:28:31.559 I could have made millions with them. Cats. I ain't for sale 2858 03:28:31.719 --> 03:28:35.639 no matter what shape the earth is, So stop all this, well, 2859 03:28:37.559 --> 03:28:41.559 y'all just working for the free. We ain't working for the Freemasons. Freemasons 2860 03:28:41.559 --> 03:28:43.319 can eat my dirty socks, A bunch of devils, bunch of demons. 2861 03:28:43.600 --> 03:28:48.559 We call it out every Sunday night. There's a spirit that goes along with 2862 03:28:48.639 --> 03:28:52.719 the Masonic Lodge. And to say that a Christian that loves God been preaching 2863 03:28:52.719 --> 03:28:54.879 thirty one years, well he must be just yoked up with NASA and the 2864 03:28:54.879 --> 03:28:58.760 Masonic Lodge because he believes in a spherical earth. That's nonsense. Stop all 2865 03:28:58.840 --> 03:29:07.959 that that's apples and oranges. I mean, that's ridiculous. And I want 2866 03:29:07.959 --> 03:29:11.079 to tell you one of the reasons I called it out because we got people 2867 03:29:11.120 --> 03:29:18.559 in our own church inviscerating each other over this ridiculousness. We got marriages on 2868 03:29:18.600 --> 03:29:22.559 the rocks because of flat earth. And I'm not saying that people ain't stupid 2869 03:29:22.559 --> 03:29:24.799 that believe the other way. I mean, there's crazy people on both sides. 2870 03:29:24.840 --> 03:29:28.680 I get it. Both side. We all crazy. But I've never, 2871 03:29:28.840 --> 03:29:33.559 ever, ever, and I have messed with a lot of doctrine, 2872 03:29:33.719 --> 03:29:37.159 I've never dealt with anything that is more divisive in the local church than flat 2873 03:29:37.200 --> 03:29:43.079 earth theology. Never. Never. I mean, we got people that came 2874 03:29:43.120 --> 03:29:46.600 to this church two or three years, good people here tonight. Moment I 2875 03:29:46.680 --> 03:29:48.399 called it out, I was lost. I'm not even saved. I'm not 2876 03:29:48.440 --> 03:29:52.360 even reginerate you working for the Mason? What you believe? Everything until that 2877 03:29:52.399 --> 03:29:58.639 one little deal. It's that big a deal to you. You know why 2878 03:29:58.680 --> 03:30:00.479 it's that bigger deal. I'm gonna tell you, Oh, it's that big 2879 03:30:00.520 --> 03:30:07.799 a deal because it has become a graving image to you. It's all you 2880 03:30:07.840 --> 03:30:13.120 think about. I didn't even start studying until I said I'm gonna do the 2881 03:30:13.120 --> 03:30:18.520 debate. And I'm sick of thinking about it already. Now. Look, 2882 03:30:18.559 --> 03:30:20.000 if you can handle it in moderation, handle it in moderation. But it 2883 03:30:20.079 --> 03:30:24.760 is becoming idol of some people. It's all they talk about. And they're 2884 03:30:24.799 --> 03:30:28.840 like, well, you know who Jesus came to bring a sword and bring 2885 03:30:28.879 --> 03:30:39.360 division, not about the shape of the earth. So anyhow, y'all, 2886 03:30:39.399 --> 03:30:41.760 and wheezy, you weigh out of Salm one O three, verse eleven twelve 2887 03:30:41.799 --> 03:30:43.440 all you want to, But then I'm gonna do something real quick, come 2888 03:30:43.479 --> 03:30:46.239 of, y'all. I got it all marked up. How man, y'all 2889 03:30:46.280 --> 03:30:50.079 seen this right here? Flat Earthdoctrine dot com. Let me ask it again, 2890 03:30:50.440 --> 03:30:54.239 how many of you have seen the verses the two hundred and forty plus 2891 03:30:54.319 --> 03:30:56.799 versus flat Earth dot com. You've seen this at least floating around as a 2892 03:30:56.840 --> 03:31:00.120 meme on the internet. Dear God, I hope you've actually read some of 2893 03:31:00.159 --> 03:31:01.280 these verses, for you should to this debate. And all right, anybody 2894 03:31:01.360 --> 03:31:05.399 ever seen this? It's usually black? Okay, a handful of you. 2895 03:31:07.000 --> 03:31:13.319 Well, that's telling right there. I want to get this cat's name right. 2896 03:31:13.360 --> 03:31:16.440 He might be here tonight. I don't know. Nathan Roberts, author 2897 03:31:16.479 --> 03:31:20.159 of the Doctrine of the Shape of the Earth A comprehensive Biblical perspective. If 2898 03:31:20.159 --> 03:31:24.000 what I'm i about to read to you is comprehensive, somebody needs changed that 2899 03:31:24.120 --> 03:31:31.120 man, Stiper, he's a baby in the Lord. Yeah, I did 2900 03:31:31.120 --> 03:31:35.079 say, a baby in the Lord. Comprehensive. Doc. Have you seen 2901 03:31:35.120 --> 03:31:35.680 some of the stuff on this list? Oh no, no, no, 2902 03:31:35.879 --> 03:31:39.360 no, because you just share it on Facebook without reading the two hundred and 2903 03:31:39.479 --> 03:31:48.639 forty some odd verses that are supposedly on here. Here we go, let's 2904 03:31:48.719 --> 03:31:52.479 just deal with a few of them. Let me get some low hanging fruit 2905 03:31:52.559 --> 03:31:54.879 here real quick, by the way, two hundred and forty plus flat Earth 2906 03:31:54.920 --> 03:32:00.079 doctrines, and let me say that if you've not read every single one one 2907 03:32:00.120 --> 03:32:01.680 of the verses that are on this list, I know more about your stuff 2908 03:32:01.719 --> 03:32:05.159 than you do. That's all there is to that, because I'm sick of 2909 03:32:05.200 --> 03:32:11.239 y'all, said nurse, two hundred and forty verses. What how come you 2910 03:32:11.239 --> 03:32:13.959 don't read them? You just assume they're there? So you know, one 2911 03:32:15.000 --> 03:32:18.639 of the verses on this list is Psalm forty six y ten, Be still 2912 03:32:18.639 --> 03:32:26.559 and know that I'm God. Well, you know the earth is still, 2913 03:32:26.600 --> 03:32:28.399 so you know, so I'm forty six teen. Be still and know that 2914 03:32:28.399 --> 03:32:31.479 I'm God. Somebody didn't even know that was on the list. He could 2915 03:32:31.520 --> 03:32:35.120 have put Worship Bozo the Clown on the list and put a fake reference. 2916 03:32:35.799 --> 03:32:39.600 And some of you have been like two hundred and forty one verses. Now 2917 03:32:39.719 --> 03:32:43.399 Preacher getting even read it. Then you'll likes to say things like this, 2918 03:32:43.520 --> 03:32:50.840 Well, you know Matthew's Bible from fifteen thirty seven says flat earth. Okay, 2919 03:32:50.879 --> 03:32:54.639 First of all, I don't read Matthew's Bible from fifteen thirty seven because 2920 03:32:54.639 --> 03:32:58.479 the s's were f's and the v's were this. You couldn't read it if 2921 03:32:58.479 --> 03:33:01.000 you had it in your lap. Yeah, it says flat earth. It's 2922 03:33:01.959 --> 03:33:05.079 sort does second seven to eleven eleven? I believe it is. You know 2923 03:33:05.120 --> 03:33:11.680 what it says talking about a military installment, an army in a certain area 2924 03:33:13.319 --> 03:33:16.680 fighting another army, and it says, and they went up and pitched their 2925 03:33:16.719 --> 03:33:22.639 tents upon the flat earth, which literally means open field. And everybody's like, 2926 03:33:22.639 --> 03:33:24.840 oh, oh, give me that thirty thousand dollars. Flat Earth's in 2927 03:33:24.879 --> 03:33:31.200 the Bible. Yeah, yeah, sure is. You think one army in 2928 03:33:31.239 --> 03:33:39.360 one sax city against one other military institution installment is spreading their tents out over 2929 03:33:39.399 --> 03:33:45.360 the whole flat earth. Now you're reading a comic book if you believe that. 2930 03:33:46.920 --> 03:33:50.879 It's just a simple phrase that was mentioned in fifteen thirty seven, and 2931 03:33:50.920 --> 03:33:54.200 every other time it's been translating. And I don't even mind the translation. 2932 03:33:54.920 --> 03:33:58.040 Some people like to play translation games. I'm gonna read twenty translations until it 2933 03:33:58.079 --> 03:34:03.799 says what I want it to right now. This ain't a bad marriage. 2934 03:34:03.799 --> 03:34:07.760 This is the Bible. Some of y'all argue, until you get that person 2935 03:34:07.840 --> 03:34:13.040 in that text to say what you wanted to say. That's not exit Jesus, 2936 03:34:13.079 --> 03:34:16.239 that's ice of Jesus. That's reading into the Bible. What you wish 2937 03:34:16.399 --> 03:34:18.840 was there, because what is clearly there doesn't need to be brought out because 2938 03:34:18.879 --> 03:34:26.719 it'll make you uncomfortable and you'll have to change your foolishness about anything about anything. 2939 03:34:26.079 --> 03:34:28.239 And so he puts that in there. It's not even a reference. 2940 03:34:28.600 --> 03:34:31.399 He even puts a reference in Revelation twenty one to fifteen through seventeen. It 2941 03:34:31.399 --> 03:34:35.399 says this new Jerusalem, the huge cube. We ain't talking about cubes, 2942 03:34:35.079 --> 03:34:37.920 and we aint talking about New Jerusalem. We talk about Earth. You know 2943 03:34:37.000 --> 03:34:39.559 that was on there has nothing to do with flat Earth, as most of 2944 03:34:39.600 --> 03:34:43.200 these verses do not, by the way. But let me give you a 2945 03:34:43.239 --> 03:34:48.079 couple of good ones that I think is quite interesting in Second Kings and they 2946 03:34:48.120 --> 03:34:48.479 can put it up there, but I'm not gonna read to all these. 2947 03:34:48.479 --> 03:34:50.360 I gotta give you a bunch of just the highlights. Cliff Throats, you 2948 03:34:50.360 --> 03:34:54.479 can read this. It's on every one of your Facebook pages at some point 2949 03:34:54.559 --> 03:34:56.680 in the comment section, every one of you. I get in like fifteen 2950 03:34:56.680 --> 03:34:58.440 times a day. So don't tell me it's not there, Okay, It's 2951 03:34:58.440 --> 03:35:01.280 everywhere, he says, uh. And I love how it gives his own 2952 03:35:01.280 --> 03:35:05.639 descriptions of what the passage is supposed to say, but is it second of 2953 03:35:05.680 --> 03:35:09.120 King's twenty eight through eleven. You remember has Akaya the Bible talks about the 2954 03:35:09.159 --> 03:35:13.719 sun dial going backwards. He says, the sun moves backwards. Two things 2955 03:35:13.719 --> 03:35:18.719 about that number. One that has nothing to do with the shape of the 2956 03:35:18.760 --> 03:35:22.680 earth. Secondarily, here's what's interesting. Did you know how sundial only works 2957 03:35:24.360 --> 03:35:33.319 because of a curved earth? What home of goodness? He's breaking out science. 2958 03:35:33.360 --> 03:35:39.280 He's one of them scientists and believers. Sundal cannot work on a flat 2959 03:35:39.319 --> 03:35:43.399 earth. Y'all can stay till two o'clock in the morning, argue all night. 2960 03:35:43.440 --> 03:35:46.399 We'll turn the live stream off. I'll sleep good. I promise you 2961 03:35:46.399 --> 03:35:48.280 can argue in fuss, cause you can get mad as you want to. 2962 03:35:48.600 --> 03:35:52.559 But sun dials have nothing to do with the shape of the Earth, but 2963 03:35:52.680 --> 03:35:56.280 everything to do with the fact that, guess what, the sundal don't even 2964 03:35:56.360 --> 03:36:01.200 work forward or backward without proper shadowing of curved earth. But nonetheless, we'll 2965 03:36:01.280 --> 03:36:03.360 keep going. Eat if you don't like that description, it still has nothing 2966 03:36:03.399 --> 03:36:09.200 to do with the flatter of model. Oh I love this one. Everyone 2967 03:36:09.319 --> 03:36:15.840 sees Jesus Revelation one seven. Right, Well, you know In Revelation one 2968 03:36:15.920 --> 03:36:18.520 seven, the Bible says, when Jesus comes again, the who every eye 2969 03:36:18.639 --> 03:36:22.040 shall see him. Okay, even if the world was flat, you wouldn't 2970 03:36:22.079 --> 03:36:28.479 be doing that. Show me somebody parachuting fifteen miles from here right now. 2971 03:36:28.559 --> 03:36:31.600 Okay, it doesn't work that way. You say, Well, he's God. 2972 03:36:31.760 --> 03:36:35.280 He sure is, And so he explains himself. Well. Revelation one 2973 03:36:35.360 --> 03:36:37.680 seven is a prophetic fulfilling of Matthew chapter twenty four. When he comes back 2974 03:36:37.760 --> 03:36:41.000 and the Jews see him, they look upon him whom they have peers, 2975 03:36:41.079 --> 03:36:46.479 and the nation shall be born in a day. But just in case that 2976 03:36:46.559 --> 03:36:48.559 wasn't don good enough for you, it don't do you fancy? I got 2977 03:36:48.600 --> 03:36:52.079 one better for you, because everybody's like, well, you know, everybody's 2978 03:36:52.079 --> 03:36:56.360 gonna see Jesus. And so the only way everybody at one time can see 2979 03:36:56.440 --> 03:37:00.319 Jesus is if the earth is flat. Well, that dog only hunts until 2980 03:37:00.360 --> 03:37:05.840 you get to Revelation chapter eleven. Revelation chapter eleven talks about the two witnesses, 2981 03:37:05.319 --> 03:37:09.360 and when the Antichrist kills them, the Bible says, and their dead 2982 03:37:09.360 --> 03:37:11.239 bodies shall lie in the street in the gate of the city, which spiritually 2983 03:37:11.319 --> 03:37:15.879 is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they 2984 03:37:15.920 --> 03:37:20.040 of the people of the kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies 2985 03:37:20.040 --> 03:37:22.639 for three days and a half, and shall not suffer the dead bodies to 2986 03:37:22.680 --> 03:37:26.399 be put in the great question, how are nations and kingdoms and tongue? 2987 03:37:26.399 --> 03:37:30.120 How are people around the world gonna see two dead people in the middle of 2988 03:37:30.120 --> 03:37:37.559 the street in Jerusalem, Because it's not about cosmology, it's about technology. 2989 03:37:37.639 --> 03:37:41.479 And everybody says, well, you know, everybody's going to see Jesus when 2990 03:37:41.479 --> 03:37:45.079 he comes back. You know why, because if indeed that verse is literally 2991 03:37:45.079 --> 03:37:48.280 referring to everybody seeing him, everybody's got a device in their hands. Everybody's 2992 03:37:48.280 --> 03:37:52.280 gonna see him. Has nothing to do with shape of the earth, nothing 2993 03:37:52.280 --> 03:37:54.440 to do with the shape of the earth. But that verse is there. 2994 03:37:54.479 --> 03:37:58.799 Then I love these high altitude perspectives, right, that's what he calls them. 2995 03:38:00.079 --> 03:38:03.920 He puts three of them in here, Daniel four eleven and Daniel four 2996 03:38:03.000 --> 03:38:07.600 twenty, which are both, by the way, the same story, the 2997 03:38:07.600 --> 03:38:09.399 same passage. Look, we can stay here and go verse for verse line 2998 03:38:09.479 --> 03:38:13.559 belone all night long. But it's right there you look the list Daniel four 2999 03:38:13.559 --> 03:38:18.719 eleven, Daniel four twenty. It talks about a tree, right, the 3000 03:38:18.840 --> 03:38:22.639 tree grew and was strong, and the height thereof reached un to heaven, 3001 03:38:24.319 --> 03:38:28.440 and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. And then in 3002 03:38:28.520 --> 03:38:31.600 verse twenty talks about this tree that's so tall, and so he puts it 3003 03:38:31.639 --> 03:38:37.799 here as a flat earth doctrine that only on a flat earth model can you 3004 03:38:37.920 --> 03:38:43.079 see a tree that grows up that high. But what they do not tell 3005 03:38:43.120 --> 03:38:46.600 you is right in the context of the verse, it says, and the 3006 03:38:46.639 --> 03:38:54.719 tree that thou sawest o nebuchon Ezer is the o king, and the nations 3007 03:38:54.959 --> 03:39:01.799 shall bow down before you. And what's interesting is that in this context he 3008 03:39:03.000 --> 03:39:07.040 wasn't just talking about Neba can Nezar being the tree. It's plain in the 3009 03:39:07.120 --> 03:39:11.879 King James, he plainly said two times in the story that it was a 3010 03:39:13.040 --> 03:39:18.840 dream. You know, I've flown in my dreams, but I ain't ever 3011 03:39:18.879 --> 03:39:24.239 flown in real life. A dreams a dream, And you're gonna base a 3012 03:39:24.399 --> 03:39:33.879 theological position off an evil king's dream that already had the interpretation from Daniel himself. 3013 03:39:33.760 --> 03:39:39.799 You are the tree. So we could deal with that now everybody loves 3014 03:39:39.799 --> 03:39:45.680 Matthew chapter four, the Bible says that the devil and by still with me 3015 03:39:46.959 --> 03:39:52.799 says that the devil took Jesus up into an exceeding high mountain and showed him 3016 03:39:52.840 --> 03:39:54.879 all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them, and said, 3017 03:39:54.879 --> 03:39:58.280 if you'll fall down and worship me, I'll give you all the kingdoms. 3018 03:39:58.440 --> 03:40:01.879 I'll give you all the authority. I'll give you all this pilate Matthew four 3019 03:40:01.920 --> 03:40:05.479 eight. Look it up. Now they say the only way that can happen 3020 03:40:07.760 --> 03:40:13.879 is on a flat earth model, that he's taken to a high elevation and 3021 03:40:13.920 --> 03:40:16.840 he is able to see all the kingdoms of the world. A couple of 3022 03:40:16.840 --> 03:40:22.879 things. Number one, please show me where that mountain is. Okay, 3023 03:40:24.760 --> 03:40:33.280 we're talking about Jesus, not Santa Claus killdown Skippie, Okay, but I 3024 03:40:33.319 --> 03:40:37.520 don't care where it is. I don't care if it's Midwest Pole. Here's 3025 03:40:37.559 --> 03:40:43.239 what the Bible tells us in Luke and here's what the flat earthers hate in 3026 03:40:43.360 --> 03:40:48.079 Luke four, when it says that he was taken up by Satan to an 3027 03:40:48.120 --> 03:40:52.559 exceeding high mountain and showed all the kingdoms of the world. It adds this 3028 03:40:52.600 --> 03:40:54.639 little phrase and says, showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a 3029 03:40:54.719 --> 03:41:07.000 moment we're talking about God and Satan. This was an obvious in context vision 3030 03:41:07.920 --> 03:41:13.799 that took place on top of a mountain in a moment. I mean, 3031 03:41:13.879 --> 03:41:16.639 look, you can go to Mount Everest and you can't even see the next 3032 03:41:16.680 --> 03:41:20.120 ocean. At it's twenty nine thousand and thirty two feet high. You can't 3033 03:41:20.120 --> 03:41:24.040 even see the next ocean. Okay, Oh, you're exactly right. And 3034 03:41:24.040 --> 03:41:26.399 guess what I'm about to help you with that, because you're not either. 3035 03:41:28.559 --> 03:41:35.280 Because the whole purpose was for Jesus. Why did the devil take him up 3036 03:41:35.280 --> 03:41:39.520 to an exceeding high mountain because the devil had to teach Jesus the finger two 3037 03:41:39.559 --> 03:41:46.440 about cosmology. No, because in the Old Testament, when Israel failed in 3038 03:41:46.520 --> 03:41:50.280 demon worship, it was always in the high places. It was always in 3039 03:41:50.319 --> 03:41:56.120 the high mountain. And Jesus was the success and fulfillment of the failure of 3040 03:41:56.200 --> 03:41:58.520 the nation of Israel. And the devil took him up to a high place 3041 03:41:58.600 --> 03:42:01.399 and said, if you will fall down and worship me, I'll give you 3042 03:42:01.440 --> 03:42:05.600 all the kingdoms and Jesus basically said, I don't need them because I'm gonna 3043 03:42:05.639 --> 03:42:09.719 take them from you one day anyhow, whether you give them to me or 3044 03:42:09.799 --> 03:42:16.440 not. This ain't a high altitude perspective. This is a fulfillment of Jesus. 3045 03:42:16.959 --> 03:42:22.239 And since I ain't Jesus, I don't get to impose cosmology on it. 3046 03:42:22.280 --> 03:42:31.040 So it works both ways. From the peanut gallery, anybody, all 3047 03:42:31.120 --> 03:42:39.200 right, all right, now listen, very first, one Earth created before 3048 03:42:39.239 --> 03:42:43.000 the sun. Okay, what's that gonna do with flat Earth? Nothing? 3049 03:42:43.799 --> 03:42:50.120 Understand that universe is complete, not ever expanding. I believe that our understanding 3050 03:42:50.159 --> 03:42:54.200 of it is expanding, but the universe is not expanding. God made it 3051 03:42:54.239 --> 03:42:58.440 all bamn, just like that in a moment's notice, and spoke the word 3052 03:42:58.479 --> 03:43:01.079 and it happened, and it happens. So that has nothing to do with 3053 03:43:01.159 --> 03:43:05.920 flat Earth. Nothing, absolutely nothing to do with flat Earth. And then 3054 03:43:05.959 --> 03:43:11.399 he says this, skies have a face, and then he puts this in 3055 03:43:11.440 --> 03:43:16.520 parentheses, a geometrical, geometrical flat surface. So he he imposes on us 3056 03:43:16.559 --> 03:43:24.040 what the definition is before we even read the verses. And in this verse, 3057 03:43:24.079 --> 03:43:26.920 by the way, when he talks about you know, the sky having 3058 03:43:26.920 --> 03:43:33.000 a face, he's using Matthew and Luke same passage to different eyewitnesses. And 3059 03:43:33.079 --> 03:43:37.159 these guys are speaking, they're not talking about the shape of the heaven or 3060 03:43:37.159 --> 03:43:43.719 the earth. They're talking about weather conditions plainly. But here's what's interesting. 3061 03:43:43.600 --> 03:43:46.559 They love to use that word face. My brother did it, did it 3062 03:43:46.559 --> 03:43:54.040 a moment ago, the face of the waters. And so what he does 3063 03:43:54.079 --> 03:43:56.319 here is he says, that's a geometrical flat surface. The face of the 3064 03:43:56.360 --> 03:44:01.840 sky, that's a geometrical flat surface. Really, a couple things about that. 3065 03:44:01.000 --> 03:44:05.879 Number One, you ever seen the face of a mountain. That's not 3066 03:44:05.920 --> 03:44:09.639 a geometrical flat surface. You ever seen your own face, like look in 3067 03:44:09.680 --> 03:44:18.840 the mirror. Not only does it have topography, it's the front of a 3068 03:44:18.879 --> 03:44:30.200 sphere. It's connected to a globe on your shoulders. And he has dozens 3069 03:44:30.520 --> 03:44:35.840 and dozens and dozens of verses twenty eight in fact that says a geometrical flat 3070 03:44:35.879 --> 03:44:39.159 surface is the fact when the Bible says Earth has a face, And there 3071 03:44:39.200 --> 03:44:45.959 are twenty eight verses that simply say the face of the earth, the face 3072 03:44:46.399 --> 03:44:50.239 of the earth. But he tells us what to believe before we get a 3073 03:44:50.280 --> 03:44:52.719 chance for the context to tell us why we should believe it. It's a 3074 03:44:52.719 --> 03:44:58.799 geometrical flat surface. No it's not. No, it's not. It's an 3075 03:45:00.040 --> 03:45:05.239 expression when the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. That 3076 03:45:05.319 --> 03:45:11.959 doesn't mean that he went from one side to the other across all the flatness 3077 03:45:11.120 --> 03:45:16.040 of the earth. It's a metaphor. I just gave you ten metaphors, 3078 03:45:16.040 --> 03:45:20.799 and there's ten thousand of them in the Bible. It is a book of 3079 03:45:20.840 --> 03:45:24.559 poetry. Even if people want to say you shouldn't say things like it's a 3080 03:45:24.559 --> 03:45:26.760 book of metaphors and a book of poetry, why not. It's a book 3081 03:45:26.760 --> 03:45:33.920 of poetry. Most of what is quoted comes so often out of the Book 3082 03:45:33.959 --> 03:45:37.840 of Psalms. It's a poetry book. It's beautiful. I love it, 3083 03:45:39.120 --> 03:45:46.280 believe every word of it. But it's still a nalogistic And he has twenty 3084 03:45:46.319 --> 03:45:54.120 eight verses for that one. He has I call them up here, fifty 3085 03:45:54.200 --> 03:46:03.399 four verses for the other faces of co of water and sky, all of 3086 03:46:03.440 --> 03:46:05.879 these verses, and they all say the exact same with No, you don't 3087 03:46:05.879 --> 03:46:11.520 even need my context or your context. The context is it's a simple illustrative 3088 03:46:11.600 --> 03:46:18.479 term. Just the face of the earth. That's it. There's No, 3089 03:46:18.040 --> 03:46:22.120 there's no shape in it. Nobody wins that argument, not me, not 3090 03:46:22.239 --> 03:46:28.120 you. It's not a face as far as the shape of the earth. 3091 03:46:28.200 --> 03:46:35.920 It's an expression of what's happening in that particular part of the earth. Man. 3092 03:46:35.959 --> 03:46:39.680 There's just there's so many I love this one. Job thirty seventy ten. 3093 03:46:39.719 --> 03:46:45.319 Can we put that up there? Job thirty seventeen. He says his 3094 03:46:45.440 --> 03:46:52.040 description is waters are straight, not curved. Based off this verse, by 3095 03:46:52.120 --> 03:46:56.319 the breath of God, frost is given and the breath of the waters is 3096 03:46:56.399 --> 03:47:03.360 straightened. He's talking about frozen water. By the breath of God, frost 3097 03:47:03.440 --> 03:47:07.680 is given and the breadth of the waters is straightened. Yeah, I have 3098 03:47:07.879 --> 03:47:15.799 been, uh, snowmobiling on frozen waters. That's that's not a difficult reality. 3099 03:47:15.959 --> 03:47:18.559 Now. I do find it interesting. It's anybody back here in the 3100 03:47:18.600 --> 03:47:22.520 little little backstage place back here. I'm a I'm a gravel of something here. 3101 03:47:22.719 --> 03:47:26.520 I find it interesting. I can just keep talking to walking that. 3102 03:47:28.920 --> 03:47:33.520 One of the things that's that's always said is water finds its own level. 3103 03:47:35.639 --> 03:47:41.120 Water don't curve. It's interesting that when you get an actual tool called a 3104 03:47:41.239 --> 03:47:50.360 level, that the water in the middle of it is a bubble. And 3105 03:47:50.719 --> 03:47:56.799 wait a minute. You ever seen a rain drop? It's spherical? Huh. 3106 03:47:56.879 --> 03:48:00.600 Water don't curve? Really, you ever seen do in the morning on 3107 03:48:00.639 --> 03:48:05.879 the grass? Water don't curve. Tell us surfer that water don't curve. 3108 03:48:07.079 --> 03:48:13.239 Tell the people in Philippines right now, they're probably experiencing a unbelievable weather pattern 3109 03:48:13.360 --> 03:48:16.760 of the ocean coming against them in a tsunami because of a huge I think 3110 03:48:16.920 --> 03:48:24.239 seven point two perhaps earthquake happened to just maybe three hours before we started, 3111 03:48:24.239 --> 03:48:28.120 four hours before we started. Tell them that water don't curve. You see, 3112 03:48:28.200 --> 03:48:31.319 I love how everybody's like water finds its own level. You know why 3113 03:48:31.360 --> 03:48:35.719 this is beautiful? Do you know why water always finds its own level because 3114 03:48:35.760 --> 03:48:46.959 of gravity? Because of gravity? You know why a level works only because 3115 03:48:46.000 --> 03:48:52.280 of gravity? That's it. Now, I'm not interested in other people's ideas 3116 03:48:52.280 --> 03:48:54.399 of what they think gravity is. Would be here till one o'clock in the 3117 03:48:54.440 --> 03:48:58.559 morning, but just to show you, right, just to show you, 3118 03:48:58.639 --> 03:49:01.520 let's just be honest. We're trying to be honest, all right, That 3119 03:49:01.600 --> 03:49:05.120 what we want bootleg honesty. Let's just be honest. How many of you 3120 03:49:05.239 --> 03:49:09.040 in this room on either side in our church it don't matter. No shame 3121 03:49:09.079 --> 03:49:13.559 in this game. We just talking. We just debate how many of you 3122 03:49:15.479 --> 03:49:20.799 do not believe in gravity? But you stand to your feet right now? 3123 03:49:20.840 --> 03:49:22.639 Stand? You just stand up for a minute. And that's okay. I'm 3124 03:49:22.639 --> 03:49:28.200 not shaming you. I'm not shaming. I'm not shaming. All right, 3125 03:49:28.280 --> 03:49:35.840 letna sit out. That's fine, man. So all of that, we 3126 03:49:35.120 --> 03:49:37.920 can get into all the science. But I find it interesting that we want 3127 03:49:37.920 --> 03:49:46.360 to use Bible verses to try to backhandedly teach something that simple observation doesn't even 3128 03:49:46.399 --> 03:49:52.239 teach. Okay, you can come up with all these and I know even 3129 03:49:52.680 --> 03:49:54.120 mister flat earth Dave, I know he has a whole different you know, 3130 03:49:54.280 --> 03:49:58.239 he doesn't have the you know, Uppard acceleration he's got, He's got this 3131 03:49:58.280 --> 03:50:03.440 whole you know, fantastical idea. Get it. I applaud people that want 3132 03:50:03.479 --> 03:50:07.120 to use their brain. I'm not trying to shame people. My whole build 3133 03:50:07.280 --> 03:50:11.079 is believe in flat earth. All you won't and let's be friends. But 3134 03:50:11.280 --> 03:50:16.040 do not tell me that the Bible consistently teaches it. It doesn't. The 3135 03:50:16.040 --> 03:50:22.520 Bible does not teach any form of cosmology as far as the shape of the 3136 03:50:22.559 --> 03:50:26.360 Earth is concerned. I'm not talking about creation for all of the sound bite 3137 03:50:26.360 --> 03:50:33.399 technicians that are in the room. But then it says earth has ends. 3138 03:50:35.920 --> 03:50:41.479 There are forty verses that talk about the ends of the earth. Now do 3139 03:50:41.840 --> 03:50:46.680 I believe in that phrase? Absolutely, of course I believe in that phrase. 3140 03:50:46.719 --> 03:50:50.079 I wouldn't be a Bible believer if I didna Deuteronomy, chapter number twenty 3141 03:50:50.079 --> 03:50:54.239 eight. And again, he's got all of these verses. There's no way 3142 03:50:54.239 --> 03:50:56.479 that I can deal with all of them. But in verse forty nine, 3143 03:50:56.799 --> 03:51:01.879 listen what the Bible actually says about this context. The Lord shall bring a 3144 03:51:03.000 --> 03:51:09.520 nation against thee from far from the end of the earth. It pretty plane 3145 03:51:09.719 --> 03:51:13.399 He's gonna bring him from the end of the earth as swift as the eagle 3146 03:51:13.440 --> 03:51:18.159 flieth. A nation who's tongue thou shalt not understand. He tells Israel, 3147 03:51:18.360 --> 03:51:22.399 a nation from the far reaches of the world are going to come and they 3148 03:51:22.559 --> 03:51:31.520 are going to subdue you. But let's just say, let's just say hypothetically 3149 03:51:31.639 --> 03:51:37.799 from my side, that this really means that these people are coming from to 3150 03:51:37.879 --> 03:51:43.639 gather them up, coming from the end of the earth. Then I have 3151 03:51:43.719 --> 03:51:50.959 to be clear. Are you then saying that you believe there are multitudes of 3152 03:51:52.319 --> 03:52:01.440 people that live on the ice wall at the end of the earth that are 3153 03:52:01.440 --> 03:52:07.239 going to come in and subdue the nation of Israel. If you believe that, 3154 03:52:07.239 --> 03:52:15.040 that's okay, that's okay. But it's the problem of taking metaphorical terminology 3155 03:52:15.079 --> 03:52:18.920 and trying to make it literal, because he clearly is not talking about any 3156 03:52:18.000 --> 03:52:24.040 actual ends of the earth. He's talking about far regions and distances. Let 3157 03:52:24.079 --> 03:52:26.639 me give you another one. He gives many. You can read them anytime. 3158 03:52:26.719 --> 03:52:28.600 They're all right here, and they're all in the Bible, right, 3159 03:52:28.639 --> 03:52:33.360 They're all in the Bible. First Samuel, chapter two, First Samuel, 3160 03:52:33.440 --> 03:52:37.120 Chapter two, Verse ten. The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to 3161 03:52:37.200 --> 03:52:43.559 pieces out of heaven shall he thunder upon them. The Lord shall judge the 3162 03:52:43.719 --> 03:52:48.360 ends of the earth. The Lord shall judge the ends of the earth. 3163 03:52:50.520 --> 03:52:56.079 Okay, So it's God literally literally speaking. Is God going to pronounce judgment 3164 03:52:58.040 --> 03:53:03.879 upon those geographical real estates ends or is it maybe referring metaphorically to the people 3165 03:53:05.440 --> 03:53:07.840 in the far regions of the world that God's going to judge because they did 3166 03:53:07.879 --> 03:53:15.600 not live right. Well, if a gun was put to my head, 3167 03:53:16.840 --> 03:53:22.079 I believe I'd go with the metaphorical analogy, okay. And there are many, 3168 03:53:22.120 --> 03:53:26.000 many, many, many many of these Isaiah fifty two. Matter fact, 3169 03:53:26.040 --> 03:53:26.799 let me just give you another one, Isaiah chapter fifty two. I 3170 03:53:26.959 --> 03:53:30.680 love using the Bible, so I like to flip. I don't care about 3171 03:53:30.680 --> 03:53:35.799 them screens Isaiah chapter fifty two, Verse him, By the way, these 3172 03:53:35.799 --> 03:53:39.520 are on his lists, not mine. The Lord hath made bear his holy 3173 03:53:39.680 --> 03:53:43.559 arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the 3174 03:53:43.559 --> 03:53:48.399 earth shall see the salvation of our God. So now the ice wall has 3175 03:53:48.479 --> 03:53:54.040 eyes, and they're gonna see the salvation. No, it's the people from 3176 03:53:54.079 --> 03:54:07.920 far distant regions. It's it's simple metaphor. And it's truly unbiblically silly to 3177 03:54:07.000 --> 03:54:13.600 try to force anything else into the text. And there are many, many, 3178 03:54:13.840 --> 03:54:16.239 many of these. Matter of fact, here's one that he did not 3179 03:54:16.360 --> 03:54:20.159 put on his list, and I don't think it was accidental oversight, but 3180 03:54:20.280 --> 03:54:28.760 I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Psalm twenty two, verse twenty 3181 03:54:28.760 --> 03:54:33.680 seven. All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord, 3182 03:54:35.200 --> 03:54:41.559 and all the kindreds of the nation shall worship before him. I wonder 3183 03:54:41.600 --> 03:54:46.440 why he skipped that one well, because it proves that the ends of the 3184 03:54:46.440 --> 03:54:56.440 world are people, not actual ends that are guarded by a continent that is 3185 03:54:56.479 --> 03:55:01.600 not stretched around the entire circumference of a flat earth model. It's just not 3186 03:55:01.680 --> 03:55:07.319 And I can't wait till we go. We're going. We're going. Okay, 3187 03:55:09.959 --> 03:55:13.120 money's in the bank, We're going, We're going, Hey, lemitate 3188 03:55:13.239 --> 03:55:18.559 something I'll eat crow. I've apologize for a lot of things my ministry, 3189 03:55:20.639 --> 03:55:24.360 but I hope y'all be willing to repent as well, because we're going. 3190 03:55:24.479 --> 03:55:28.120 Don't tell you something else we're gonna do. Maybe I'm working on this. 3191 03:55:28.920 --> 03:55:31.639 You see, I came well prepared. I may not have all the understanding 3192 03:55:31.040 --> 03:55:35.920 scientifically the inner workings, and I appreciate all of his study, but I 3193 03:55:37.000 --> 03:55:43.719 do some pretty good due diligence. There's an outfit called Worldview that launches next 3194 03:55:43.799 --> 03:55:50.840 year. They got these big capsules that they put six people in. Want 3195 03:55:50.840 --> 03:55:56.040 to come out, and they no, no, no, no, don't 3196 03:55:56.040 --> 03:56:01.159 see gi me because I'm gonna put you in one of them. And they 3197 03:56:01.639 --> 03:56:05.959 they put six people in these capsules. They put them in a balloon. 3198 03:56:07.600 --> 03:56:09.799 They take them up to one hundred and ten thousand feet. Now, look, 3199 03:56:09.879 --> 03:56:13.959 look, I don't care about your fish eye lens. I don't care 3200 03:56:13.959 --> 03:56:16.040 about you. I don't care about your horizon. I fly around the world 3201 03:56:16.079 --> 03:56:20.399 all the time. You ain't gonna see no, you know, curvature at 3202 03:56:20.399 --> 03:56:24.280 thirty five thousand feet, You're just not So you win that one. But 3203 03:56:24.360 --> 03:56:28.360 I love how you say that picture of curvature out that airplane window is curved. 3204 03:56:28.559 --> 03:56:31.920 Yeah, but when it's straight, the picture's okay. I guess right. 3205 03:56:33.000 --> 03:56:39.440 So she can't have it both ways hypocritical. So I contacted the people 3206 03:56:39.680 --> 03:56:43.879 that have already done their tests and gone up there, right. They cost 3207 03:56:45.000 --> 03:56:54.600 seventy five thousand dollars. You're computing with me seventy five thousand dollars to put 3208 03:56:54.600 --> 03:57:01.639 one person amongst six in a capsule. We've got a rancher friend in Texas. 3209 03:57:03.639 --> 03:57:11.719 I called Worldview like it's what to call, and I've got things worked 3210 03:57:11.719 --> 03:57:20.360 out, hopefully not date wise. Got it down to fifty grand fifty grand, 3211 03:57:22.200 --> 03:57:28.680 and got a cattle rancher in Texas gonna pay for the ticket. And 3212 03:57:28.799 --> 03:57:41.440 I'm gonna let either Dave Dean, Mark Sergeant ain't going Mark Sergeant ain't one 3213 03:57:41.479 --> 03:57:46.760 of y'all by the way, you know that he's done more damage to the 3214 03:57:46.760 --> 03:57:50.040 flat earth movement than any Hollywood actor on the plane. I don't care if 3215 03:57:50.040 --> 03:57:50.760 you had to room the night Mark sergeant, you ain't gonna get the might 3216 03:57:50.840 --> 03:57:56.040 know how I love that show, you know, Beyond the Curve, And 3217 03:57:56.079 --> 03:57:58.360 they're trying to make flat earthers not look like they're people that are crazy that 3218 03:57:58.440 --> 03:58:01.079 live in their mother basement. And then the next scene is Mark coming out 3219 03:58:01.079 --> 03:58:05.360 of his mother's basement and she's cooking in food. He's not done you any 3220 03:58:05.399 --> 03:58:09.559 favors, but you can choose whoever you want to, whoever you want to. 3221 03:58:11.840 --> 03:58:16.920 We'll get the cattle rancher. And since I've not seen it and you've 3222 03:58:16.920 --> 03:58:18.719 not seen it, I'm gonna take your word for it. You ain't gotta 3223 03:58:18.760 --> 03:58:24.520 take no fish eye limbs. You can just go right on up in that 3224 03:58:24.639 --> 03:58:31.799 capsule, will sip you some coffee. It's an eight hour tour got him 3225 03:58:31.799 --> 03:58:39.280 down to fifty grand. What a deal. So wouldn't you get froggy let's 3226 03:58:39.360 --> 03:58:46.319 jump you see, I believe in putting money where the mouth is. I 3227 03:58:46.319 --> 03:58:48.000 don't believe in just open end and say wall I ain't never saw it and 3228 03:58:48.040 --> 03:58:54.799 you know that most people never will until now. So we gonna send someone 3229 03:58:54.920 --> 03:59:01.159 up and me and him gonna get sent out there, and we're gonna go 3230 03:59:01.239 --> 03:59:09.360 find your magnetic mountain maroon nonsense with the spirit of destiny. You started that 3231 03:59:09.559 --> 03:59:13.799 a Satanist. Don't you come about this argument of authority NASA? NASA, 3232 03:59:15.079 --> 03:59:18.079 the first person to put flat Earth on the Internet was Mark Braun, and 3233 03:59:18.159 --> 03:59:26.280 that guy is a Satanic blood ritualistic heathen. And I don't care if you're 3234 03:59:26.280 --> 03:59:30.840 in a building either. Odcast that demon out of you tonight. Quit And 3235 03:59:30.879 --> 03:59:35.399 then I so NASA is evil. You got your ideas of a lot of 3236 03:59:35.399 --> 03:59:39.479 this nonsense from Mark Braun, who is beyond evil and even claims to be 3237 03:59:39.520 --> 03:59:45.479 Satan himself. Don't come to that argument of authority. You have no authority. 3238 03:59:46.360 --> 03:59:52.040 Nobody believed this stuff before YouTube, other than a handful of people that 3239 03:59:52.120 --> 03:59:54.840 got a little bit resurrected in nineteen seventy one. But before that it was 3240 03:59:54.920 --> 03:59:58.040 just a Catholic church, which I find interesting Catholic means universal. It was 3241 03:59:58.040 --> 04:00:03.319 a Catholic church that on to Samuel ray Botham's stuff. For all these years, 3242 04:00:03.440 --> 04:00:09.079 nobody went for it. It's been outdated and disproven for twenty five hundred 3243 04:00:09.159 --> 04:00:16.799 years. Twenty five hundred years. Uh, that's fine, that's fine. 3244 04:00:16.840 --> 04:00:20.520 Oh you know, oh tells me you're part of the Last Day's deception. 3245 04:00:20.639 --> 04:00:22.840 That's what you're part of now. By the way, if you can get 3246 04:00:22.920 --> 04:00:24.760 up here and say that about me, why can't I get up here in 3247 04:00:24.799 --> 04:00:28.200 this church and say that about you. It's a deception. It's cost more 3248 04:00:28.200 --> 04:00:33.479 division than anything I could ever imagine. I have been treated better by the 3249 04:00:33.520 --> 04:00:41.959 Alphabet cult than I have flat Earthers in a month. In a month, 3250 04:00:43.360 --> 04:00:46.440 I got Muslims, and I call out that treat me better than flat earthers. 3251 04:00:48.760 --> 04:00:56.760 It has become the most fitcheryolid, divisive amount of bogusry on both sides. 3252 04:00:56.799 --> 04:01:00.360 I'm not saying that we're not always you know, the right ones. 3253 04:01:00.479 --> 04:01:03.600 Listen, we've caused in trouble too, were throwing gas on the fire too. 3254 04:01:05.959 --> 04:01:09.079 But I hope that at least we can understand that when we leave tonight. 3255 04:01:09.280 --> 04:01:11.680 Yeah we get passionate, Yeah we get fired. Oh yeah, we 3256 04:01:11.719 --> 04:01:13.920 talk back to the crowd. Yeah we throw maters and taters. Okay, 3257 04:01:13.920 --> 04:01:16.319 we get that stuff all the time. We've been into trenches for a long 3258 04:01:16.360 --> 04:01:20.920 time. But if we're gonna talk about being spiritually persecuted, make sure it's 3259 04:01:20.920 --> 04:01:24.200 for the Gospel. Now, because of what you think the shape of the 3260 04:01:24.239 --> 04:01:31.079 earth is. Oh my goodness, I just can't get my family to invite 3261 04:01:31.079 --> 04:01:33.799 me back to Thanksgiving dinner. I just love Jesus so much. Maybe it's 3262 04:01:33.840 --> 04:01:37.079 not because you love Jesus so much. Maybe it's because you won't shut up 3263 04:01:37.120 --> 04:01:41.360 about the shape of the earth. It's really not that big a deal. 3264 04:01:43.680 --> 04:01:46.319 It's really not because we believe the same thing about creation, and you've tried 3265 04:01:46.360 --> 04:01:54.719 to make creation flat earth. We don't disagree about creation. We disagree about 3266 04:01:54.760 --> 04:02:01.159 the shape of that which was created. Now, look, there's two hundred 3267 04:02:01.200 --> 04:02:05.479 and forty of them on here. I'm not going through all of them, 3268 04:02:05.520 --> 04:02:09.559 obviously, but it's shocking to me that I can ask, can I don't 3269 04:02:09.559 --> 04:02:11.360 even know, maybe a bunch of people raise your hand out when I can 3270 04:02:11.399 --> 04:02:13.879 ask who's read this? Who's seen this? And everybody's like, we got 3271 04:02:13.879 --> 04:02:22.200 this a whole full room. And these are the definitive doctrinal verses for flat 3272 04:02:22.239 --> 04:02:37.719 earth. Do you have any more? Oh? I got these lists, 3273 04:02:37.719 --> 04:02:39.840 I got all the verses. We've already dealt with some of the verses that 3274 04:02:39.840 --> 04:02:43.159 then gave me every single one of them. Do you need to say something? 3275 04:02:43.680 --> 04:02:46.000 But oh yeah, go ahead, go ahead, you've got the mic. 3276 04:02:46.159 --> 04:02:48.000 Just go ahead. Let me finish my verses, but you go ahead. 3277 04:02:48.000 --> 04:02:50.159 I just want to say this about about that list and about Nathan Roberts. 3278 04:02:50.319 --> 04:02:54.200 Okay, list, And I'm not saying you're affiliated with him. No 3279 04:02:54.200 --> 04:02:58.040 no, no, no, no, no, all right, s let 3280 04:02:58.079 --> 04:03:01.239 me just a second second. I just want to say this about Nathan Robbins. 3281 04:03:01.440 --> 04:03:05.479 Okay, what you're doing with that list there, you're debating Nathan Roberts, 3282 04:03:05.520 --> 04:03:07.000 not us. No, Okay, hold on, I'm telling you the 3283 04:03:07.040 --> 04:03:13.319 Bible. And here's how I know that, because when I discread it. 3284 04:03:13.879 --> 04:03:16.239 Let me let me finish when I say about Nathan, okay, but I 3285 04:03:16.280 --> 04:03:18.360 don't know where about Nathan. No, but but you've been debating his list. 3286 04:03:18.000 --> 04:03:20.159 I do know I have. Let me. Let me say what I 3287 04:03:20.159 --> 04:03:24.360 gotta say about his list. I have never posted his list because I don't 3288 04:03:24.360 --> 04:03:28.319 agree that all the verses refer to. I don't believe that you agree with 3289 04:03:28.360 --> 04:03:31.280 all of them. Absolutely. There's some of them that are just foolish. 3290 04:03:31.360 --> 04:03:33.280 Now, some of them refer he says flat Earth. But he's talking about 3291 04:03:33.280 --> 04:03:39.360 just cosmology in general. But listen, Nathan Roberts was a young believer who 3292 04:03:39.440 --> 04:03:43.719 I had to correct and rebuke and instruct on many things. He was a 3293 04:03:43.840 --> 04:03:46.040 very young believer, and he was wrong about a lot of things. And 3294 04:03:46.079 --> 04:03:50.000 he has since disappeared. Now, if you want to debate him, I 3295 04:03:50.040 --> 04:03:54.840 know he since disappeared. But here's the deal. These verses have so infiltrated 3296 04:03:54.879 --> 04:03:58.920 the movement, whether you wrote him or not. That's why when I contact 3297 04:04:00.079 --> 04:04:03.760 usually disproved them, the crowd shouts at me and their math. Well, 3298 04:04:03.079 --> 04:04:05.360 hear what I'm saying, though, I hear what you're saying. Here. 3299 04:04:05.360 --> 04:04:09.280 What I'm saying is Nathan Roberts is not the issue. And we don't agree 3300 04:04:09.360 --> 04:04:11.879 with a lot of scriptures that's on his list that he took them out of 3301 04:04:11.920 --> 04:04:16.760 context and they don't apply. So using his list is not debating me, 3302 04:04:16.920 --> 04:04:24.239 it's debating him absolutely. But the question is how many verses do you have 3303 04:04:24.440 --> 04:04:28.959 for flat Earth? How many? No, he didn't, No, he 3304 04:04:28.959 --> 04:04:31.920 didn't. He only dealt with the firmament. He only dealt with the firmament. 3305 04:04:33.799 --> 04:04:37.159 There were no verses that he used on flat not one. Yes, 3306 04:04:37.200 --> 04:04:39.920 I did not only the clay, and I explained that that's the sun. 3307 04:04:39.000 --> 04:04:41.440 Right. No, no, no, no, you didn't deal with the 3308 04:04:41.479 --> 04:04:43.239 other verses I pulled from Isaiah and sosngs. You didn't deal with that. 3309 04:04:43.600 --> 04:04:46.239 But I will, I suppose gonna say in my rebuttal. Do I still 3310 04:04:46.280 --> 04:04:50.120 get a rebuttal? Sure? Absolutely, I mean we are not gonna be 3311 04:04:50.120 --> 04:04:50.840 able to go all night, but you go ahead and start doing a rebuttal 3312 04:04:50.879 --> 04:04:52.719 right now, and be all right. I got so much to say these 3313 04:04:52.799 --> 04:04:56.840 verses. There's tons of these verses I got. I got pages of my 3314 04:04:56.879 --> 04:05:01.559 own notes pages. Amen. Amen, all right, I'm gonna be I'm 3315 04:05:01.559 --> 04:05:05.120 gonna try to be brief here, and I do you said, and I'm 3316 04:05:05.159 --> 04:05:09.520 gonna hold you to your word. You said that I could bring anybody I 3317 04:05:09.559 --> 04:05:13.440 wanted. So I'm gonna call up a couple of people to answer some things. 3318 04:05:15.040 --> 04:05:18.799 Austin and Uh, We'll let you come up and answer a couple of 3319 04:05:18.840 --> 04:05:20.520 things that you've said. But let me let me address just a few things 3320 04:05:22.079 --> 04:05:28.040 in what Pastor Gregg has showed. I'm gonna show you some things now. 3321 04:05:28.319 --> 04:05:31.600 First of all, I want to say this, and let me go back 3322 04:05:31.600 --> 04:05:37.559 to my notes here that I made while you were speaking. First of all, 3323 04:05:39.280 --> 04:05:45.319 you say you're okay with us believing flatter then you say that is in 3324 04:05:45.479 --> 04:05:50.600 time deception. Then you talk about you don't you don't want to insult people, 3325 04:05:50.639 --> 04:05:54.760 But then you say things like you make God a liar if you believe 3326 04:05:54.799 --> 04:06:00.319 flat earth. So I don't see how that you called us clowns. I 3327 04:06:00.319 --> 04:06:03.479 didn't say that tonight, No, but you said it through this whole thing. 3328 04:06:03.280 --> 04:06:07.440 So what I'm saying is is that we, the people out here that 3329 04:06:07.440 --> 04:06:11.200 are getting a little upset with you, is because the way that you insult 3330 04:06:11.280 --> 04:06:15.760 people. Oh no, no, no, no way. Uh huh. 3331 04:06:15.879 --> 04:06:18.799 You said we weren't Christians if we didn't believe in flat ar. Yes, 3332 04:06:18.959 --> 04:06:22.440 you most certainly did say that. Oh no, absolutely no. Don't you 3333 04:06:22.479 --> 04:06:24.120 shout me down in own church to me, I never said. And then 3334 04:06:24.120 --> 04:06:28.280 this is a fact. You absolutely You've reached this for years. Don't interrupt 3335 04:06:28.319 --> 04:06:33.600 me. I have said for years you do not have to believe in flat 3336 04:06:33.719 --> 04:06:37.360 earth biblical cosmology to be a born again Christian. I have never made that 3337 04:06:37.959 --> 04:06:41.399 an issue. We'll rewind the video tonight when we're done. When you said 3338 04:06:43.280 --> 04:06:48.000 that we're not biblical Christians, if we do not adhere to these to speak 3339 04:06:48.040 --> 04:06:52.799 out against tongues in deliverance, you were not a biblical Christian in that area. 3340 04:06:52.879 --> 04:06:56.639 And guess what tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Flat earth 3341 04:06:56.719 --> 04:07:01.959 is not a gift of the Holy spirits in the body hold aretical bunch of 3342 04:07:01.079 --> 04:07:05.120 non sin. Do I get to do my rebuttal without you interrupting me? 3343 04:07:05.360 --> 04:07:07.319 Or no quit asking me questions if you don't want me to rebuttle back you 3344 04:07:07.440 --> 04:07:11.559 I needed you said you would speak, then I would get a rebubbal. 3345 04:07:11.639 --> 04:07:15.000 Yeah I was still speaking, but I've been nice enough to let you jump 3346 04:07:15.040 --> 04:07:18.840 up in rebuttal let me finish. So rebuttal actually give one without interrupting. 3347 04:07:18.879 --> 04:07:22.040 Then don't ask me a question. That's the whole point. We did this 3348 04:07:22.120 --> 04:07:24.360 a minute ago, where we asked questions and you let me speak and I 3349 04:07:24.440 --> 04:07:26.479 let you see, I didn't say and that's what we're doing. I didn't 3350 04:07:26.479 --> 04:07:28.559 say, so give you a rebuttal. So I'm gonna give it all. 3351 04:07:28.600 --> 04:07:35.239 Right, first of all, let's say this, and by the way, 3352 04:07:35.280 --> 04:07:39.159 I'm just gonna have this in it. You know, when we came this 3353 04:07:39.239 --> 04:07:43.040 weekend, I was hoping that things would stay sweet nice between us. But 3354 04:07:43.120 --> 04:07:48.280 it's not the case. And so what I did was I rented a room 3355 04:07:48.440 --> 04:07:52.360 at the UH at the Marriotte for tomorrow morning. If anybody wants to come 3356 04:07:52.360 --> 04:07:56.760 have church with fire and gray shirt, absolutely, because I'm not gonna sit 3357 04:07:56.840 --> 04:08:01.600 here under this kind of belligerent attacks and calling people names and stuff like that. 3358 04:08:01.639 --> 04:08:03.239 I'm just not gonna. I can't. I can't come back here because 3359 04:08:03.280 --> 04:08:05.760 of okay, all right, but here you can do it, but I 3360 04:08:05.760 --> 04:08:11.040 can't be abrasive. And because then that hurts everybody's feelings. That's okay, 3361 04:08:11.120 --> 04:08:13.120 I get it. I get it. I'll second, I get it. 3362 04:08:13.159 --> 04:08:18.280 Has anybody? Has anybody? I've never called you a clown? You called 3363 04:08:18.319 --> 04:08:20.399 when you got up talking about this a few weeks ago, you said, 3364 04:08:20.440 --> 04:08:22.639 hey, quit saying a few weeks ago. That was the first time I 3365 04:08:22.680 --> 04:08:26.040 ever even mentioned it. I'm talking about tonight. Tonight you have been insulting 3366 04:08:28.719 --> 04:08:33.559 and and and I wanted to keep it nice and listen, let me say 3367 04:08:33.600 --> 04:08:35.280 this very let me say this very clearly. Let me say this very clearly. 3368 04:08:37.840 --> 04:08:41.799 You told me that I was involved in a deception. You are, 3369 04:08:41.920 --> 04:08:43.600 and then when I say it, You're like, oh my goodness, my 3370 04:08:43.639 --> 04:08:48.239 feelings hurt. We believe each other is deceived, and that's fine. But 3371 04:08:48.360 --> 04:08:52.000 when you say moronic, idiotic, when you start going down. I didn't 3372 04:08:52.040 --> 04:08:56.200 call you or anybody that. I said. We attack ideologies, and as 3373 04:08:56.239 --> 04:08:58.600 far as I'm concerned, the ideology is moronic. All right, let me, 3374 04:08:58.680 --> 04:09:01.959 let me, let me show you where you were this, this is 3375 04:09:01.000 --> 04:09:05.399 the kind of stuff, he said. Okay, you've started this out. 3376 04:09:05.520 --> 04:09:07.920 In Hebrews eleven three. I took a little note here he says, through 3377 04:09:07.959 --> 04:09:11.600 faith, we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, 3378 04:09:11.719 --> 04:09:15.680 so that which so the things which are seen are not my even things which 3379 04:09:15.680 --> 04:09:20.680 appear. Now, his argument was that the term worlds here means the planets, 3380 04:09:20.799 --> 04:09:24.239 the soldier system. The word here, if he looked it up in 3381 04:09:24.280 --> 04:09:28.760 the Greek dictionary, find out he doesn't mean anything like that. In fact, 3382 04:09:28.799 --> 04:09:33.159 the word is the Greek word eon, which means ages or time periods, 3383 04:09:33.440 --> 04:09:39.079 not planets. So that that you just did, but that verse is 3384 04:09:39.200 --> 04:09:43.680 deception and error. Well, then explain the two verses that I use that 3385 04:09:43.799 --> 04:09:48.399 led into that verse, because they did prove that we are the only habitable 3386 04:09:48.399 --> 04:09:50.399 planet amongst many. No, no, no, well, first of all, 3387 04:09:50.440 --> 04:09:54.959 the word planet does not exist. It's used one time in the King 3388 04:09:54.040 --> 04:10:00.399 James version, and that's a mistranslation because the action it's always a mistransla your 3389 04:10:00.600 --> 04:10:05.040 side, it's always mistranslation. The actual Hebrew word is mazi law, which 3390 04:10:05.040 --> 04:10:09.559 means constellations, not planets. And that's a fact. And that's not a 3391 04:10:09.600 --> 04:10:15.920 fact. Then you're deceived, all right. If me being deceived means I 3392 04:10:15.920 --> 04:10:18.719 believe in a spherical earth, I'm deceived. And you can just go ahead 3393 04:10:18.719 --> 04:10:20.639 and leave and cancel this debate right now, because you're not gonna convince me 3394 04:10:20.760 --> 04:10:26.399 what the Bible clearly says. The Earth is not flat one thousand percent. 3395 04:10:26.680 --> 04:10:28.280 And if I got people in our church that think it is, that's great. 3396 04:10:28.319 --> 04:10:31.280 I love you. But if you want to go to his little service 3397 04:10:31.280 --> 04:10:33.399 in the morning, then go to His service in the morning. It's not 3398 04:10:33.440 --> 04:10:37.719 gonna bother me one bit. The Earth is not flat. It was disproven 3399 04:10:37.760 --> 04:10:41.040 twenty five hundred years ago. You can't show me one verse in the Bible 3400 04:10:41.079 --> 04:10:43.680 that proves that the Earth is flat. It's nonsense. It's nonsense. We're 3401 04:10:43.680 --> 04:10:48.559 not gonna get anywhere else because here's the problem. You use two hours of 3402 04:10:48.639 --> 04:10:52.319 PowerPoint presentation, and your people are quiet. I use an hour and fifteen 3403 04:10:52.319 --> 04:10:54.280 minutes of the Bible and they get mad and start throwing maters and taters at 3404 04:10:54.319 --> 04:10:58.200 me. Okay, all right, so here's a bill. Let me just 3405 04:10:58.239 --> 04:11:03.120 say this, and now I will I'm out now, but I want to 3406 04:11:03.159 --> 04:11:07.600 say this. Oh listen, your folks are standing up yelling, go get 3407 04:11:07.600 --> 04:11:09.879 out. Okay, you know what. That's fine with me. Here's the 3408 04:11:09.879 --> 04:11:16.280 deal. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. I gave you the scriptures. 3409 04:11:16.840 --> 04:11:22.120 He gave you his version, he told somebody else's. But hold on, 3410 04:11:22.159 --> 04:11:24.520 hold on, no, no, this is non You came up with 3411 04:11:24.559 --> 04:11:28.280 your scriptures and gave your interpretation of them. I gave. I gave you 3412 04:11:28.280 --> 04:11:31.520 the Bible interpretation the Bible. I gave more Bible than you did. For 3413 04:11:31.559 --> 04:11:35.440 a fact, right there? All right, Oh really that's a fact. 3414 04:11:35.479 --> 04:11:39.159 Well I'll tell you what. How about how about in your rebuttal, I'll 3415 04:11:39.239 --> 04:11:41.799 keep my mouth shut and you tell me how wrong I was about your misapplication 3416 04:11:41.879 --> 04:11:46.120 of the rings stopping in joke Chapter thirty eight. First of all, hello, 3417 04:11:46.639 --> 04:11:50.879 is it sunrise or not? Not? Not at all? I don't 3418 04:11:50.879 --> 04:11:54.840 agree with that party is Mike off? Get out. Wow, you're a 3419 04:11:54.840 --> 04:12:03.479 Bible denier. You're a Bible denier. You're a Bible denier. That is 3420 04:12:03.559 --> 04:12:11.399 ridiculous, Bible denier. Just get out, get the band up here, 3421 04:12:11.719 --> 04:12:13.000 let's worship the Lord. I ain't putting over this nonsense. No, I 3422 04:12:13.000 --> 04:12:20.559 gave you our platform. Then y'all want to get up here with a bunch 3423 04:12:20.639 --> 04:12:22.159 of nonsense. Come up here, band, let's worship the Lord. We're 3424 04:12:22.159 --> 04:12:26.239 gonna we're gonna actually do something spiritual in this room. Tonight's set of talk 3425 04:12:26.280 --> 04:12:28.920 about flat earth nonsense. And by the way, if you go to this 3426 04:12:30.040 --> 04:12:33.559 church and you're upset about me taking the Bible in its context and dealing with 3427 04:12:33.600 --> 04:12:37.159 it, and you're gonna keep sowing that discord, don't ever come back. 3428 04:12:37.200 --> 04:12:39.120 That's all I'm gonna tell you right now. Don't. I'm not listening. 3429 04:12:39.120 --> 04:12:41.719 It's a last Day's deception. I do not care if this is a UFC 3430 04:12:41.840 --> 04:12:46.280 smack down to the MAP. I would highly suggest that people keep their mouth 3431 04:12:46.280 --> 04:12:48.639 shuts, getting in their car and go where they need to be. We'll 3432 04:12:48.639 --> 04:12:50.000 see you at ten thirty in the morning. We're gonna have a packed house 3433 04:12:50.079 --> 04:12:54.239 and we're gonna preach what the Bible says, if you believe the Bible, 3434 04:12:54.280 --> 04:13:09.760 global vision shot. Amen, and there you go. What a crazy ending 3435 04:13:09.840 --> 04:13:15.840 to this four hour and eight minute what was supposed to be a debate. 3436 04:13:16.360 --> 04:13:20.719 And it's a really odd scene. There's a bunch of gentlemen up front by 3437 04:13:20.799 --> 04:13:24.680 the stage who were wearing like tactical vest. Now I did see somewhere on 3438 04:13:24.719 --> 04:13:28.840 social media that there was some kind of and now there's a woman on stage 3439 04:13:28.879 --> 04:13:35.680 twirling flags and a guy in Nashville Predators Jersey standing there with a hat on. 3440 04:13:35.440 --> 04:13:41.159 Just a very weird scene. Four hours of Now listen, here's what 3441 04:13:41.200 --> 04:13:46.319 should have happened, hindsight twenty twenty got it. It should have been ten 3442 04:13:46.360 --> 04:13:50.280 minutes of here's the ground rules, one hour of pastor total, one hour 3443 04:13:50.399 --> 04:13:54.600 of pastor lock and then you know, fifteen minute rebuttals for each and done. 3444 04:13:54.799 --> 04:13:58.879 That's it. This became a very divisive event, and from a Christian, 3445 04:14:00.520 --> 04:14:05.559 you know, christ following type of perspective, it was disappointing and divisive. 3446 04:14:05.639 --> 04:14:11.360 Now you got guys in a church full battle rattle. What a weird 3447 04:14:11.639 --> 04:14:15.440 scene on this Saturday night, December second, twenty twenty three. It's now 3448 04:14:15.440 --> 04:14:18.799 eleven to ten pm Eastern standard time for all the people listening live. We've 3449 04:14:18.799 --> 04:14:24.520 been streaming since seven pm Eastern Time, and again it's now what eleven eleven 3450 04:14:24.559 --> 04:14:31.319 pm Eastern time. Just what a crazy, crazy scene tonight. Again, 3451 04:14:31.760 --> 04:14:35.639 our one was really useless. It was back and forth banter for the next 3452 04:14:35.719 --> 04:14:41.639 ninety minutes. I thought Pastor Dinodle did a tremendous job, really laid everything 3453 04:14:41.680 --> 04:14:48.040 out really well. And I looked on the YouTube count. At some point 3454 04:14:48.040 --> 04:14:50.680 I think it was close to thirty five hundred people were watching just on pastor 3455 04:14:50.680 --> 04:14:54.760 lock stream. And that's the when I looked up the Global Vision Bible Church. 3456 04:14:54.159 --> 04:14:58.360 The chat room was very divisive. And again, this is a Saturday 3457 04:14:58.440 --> 04:15:03.479 night. To have a a lot of people invested in this was quite interesting. 3458 04:15:03.520 --> 04:15:07.520 But you're in a church and you have the congregation yelling at each other. 3459 04:15:07.840 --> 04:15:11.319 So if you're going to present this in a church, it has to 3460 04:15:11.360 --> 04:15:13.559 be you can't bring teammate, a team b it's just got to be in 3461 04:15:13.600 --> 04:15:18.879 a controlled environment and you present it very peacefully. And it should have been. 3462 04:15:18.920 --> 04:15:24.239 And here's the thing. I reached out to Pastor Locke and I said, 3463 04:15:24.280 --> 04:15:30.479 hey, I want to come and present it just in the form of 3464 04:15:30.520 --> 04:15:31.639 what was in the Bible. The first hour, I think they've read one 3465 04:15:31.680 --> 04:15:35.959 Bible verse and it was because you know, Pastor lac scene to be instigating. 3466 04:15:37.079 --> 04:15:41.159 And hour two when Pastor Odal came on, he used a little bit 3467 04:15:41.200 --> 04:15:45.079 of both. You know, he talked about the Bible, but he also 3468 04:15:45.200 --> 04:15:50.319 used many of the resources that we talk about on the podcast. So again, 3469 04:15:52.040 --> 04:15:56.079 the YouTube comments were interesting, very divided in there. Inside the church, 3470 04:15:56.120 --> 04:15:58.440 people were very divided. But it also seemed to me and this, 3471 04:15:58.520 --> 04:16:04.559 I think the most disappointing thing out of the whole thing was everybody had their 3472 04:16:04.559 --> 04:16:08.760 minds made up before it started. Now, one of our listeners I was 3473 04:16:08.840 --> 04:16:15.559 chatting with I'm actually in them right now, Gary, and I was chatting 3474 04:16:15.600 --> 04:16:21.520 with Dan, and everybody is basically with the way it ended, mouths open, 3475 04:16:21.840 --> 04:16:26.719 like what really that just happened in a church. Disappointing, disappointing, 3476 04:16:26.959 --> 04:16:33.520 very disappointing. Obviously, Pastor Odo will be holding church in I think he 3477 04:16:33.520 --> 04:16:38.520 said the marriyout tomorrow morning. But it started promptly at seven pm Eastern time. 3478 04:16:40.159 --> 04:16:41.639 And again it should have been one hour of each with the ground rules 3479 04:16:41.639 --> 04:16:45.040 and maybe fifteen minutes, and that should have been it everybody should have been 3480 04:16:45.079 --> 04:16:48.719 allowed to make their own decision. Right, you present your side, the 3481 04:16:48.760 --> 04:16:52.280 other guy presents his side, and let the congregation decide for themselves. Not 3482 04:16:52.360 --> 04:16:57.600 to get into this unruly and Pastor luck if you notice guys, not to 3483 04:16:57.639 --> 04:17:04.079 say this is a conspira theory. But Pastor Locke's microphone was certainly a few 3484 04:17:04.120 --> 04:17:12.479 decibels louder than Pastor odeles. I pretty much notated all the Bible verses that 3485 04:17:12.520 --> 04:17:18.559 were used. Pastor Odele used I think close to I'm just guessing looking at 3486 04:17:18.559 --> 04:17:23.600 this twenty five Pastor Locke, uh seven or eight, and you know, 3487 04:17:23.639 --> 04:17:27.000 at the top of our four things got very chippy, and then five six 3488 04:17:27.040 --> 04:17:33.799 minutes later that was it. That was really it, Pastor Locke. I 3489 04:17:33.840 --> 04:17:37.440 don't want to make it seem like I'm one sided because I'm friendly with Pastor 3490 04:17:37.479 --> 04:17:41.200 Odele. I don't want it to come off that way. But I don't 3491 04:17:41.239 --> 04:17:45.280 think Pastor Odell overstepped his boundary. And once again I told you that the 3492 04:17:45.360 --> 04:17:48.399 alex jo in effect was going to take place. When you invite somebody to 3493 04:17:48.479 --> 04:17:52.479 your chow, your church, excuse me, to your place of worship, 3494 04:17:52.559 --> 04:17:57.799 to your home. They're your guest and they are your guests, and you 3495 04:17:57.879 --> 04:18:04.159 simply cannot Greek people that way. So very interesting. This is going to 3496 04:18:04.200 --> 04:18:10.680 be a hot topic over the next few days. We'll see where this goes. 3497 04:18:11.239 --> 04:18:14.559 I'm going to wrap this up, do a quick edit and put it 3498 04:18:14.600 --> 04:18:18.399 out. It's eleven almost, you know, it'll be close to midnight by 3499 04:18:18.440 --> 04:18:21.680 the time I'm done editing this, and I'm tired. It's been a busy 3500 04:18:21.760 --> 04:18:25.520 day. So there you go. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. 3501 04:18:26.719 --> 04:18:30.280 Send me your thoughts the flat Earthfiles at gmail dot com. Again, 3502 04:18:30.319 --> 04:18:34.920 it is the flat Earth Files at gmail dot com. I'd love to hear 3503 04:18:34.959 --> 04:18:37.959 your thoughts. So I had a whole bunch of notes. But folks, 3504 04:18:38.000 --> 04:18:42.239 it's four hours fifteen minutes in. I think everything has been said that needs 3505 04:18:42.280 --> 04:18:45.799 to be said. God bless you all. Keep your head on a swivel, 3506 04:18:45.319 --> 04:18:51.200 and until the next time we meet, my friends, we will see 3507 04:18:51.239 --> 04:19:00.760 you. You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network The Facts Mammy