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It's not Billy cunning in the Great
American of course, though we're heading forward.

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Christmas can't say Christmas anymore, I
hope so. And Representative Barren Davidson,

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who volunteered, went into the military, graduate of West Point, got

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in some businesses, made a boatload
of money, good business leader west Point

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graduates, served in the military,
and now he represents Central Ohio, of

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course, having taken the seat of
Speaker of the House John Bayner about seven

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or eight years ago. And Congressman
Warren Davidson, welcome again to the Bill

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Cunningham Show. And first of all, I want to get onto the story

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out of the Washington Post at about
forty forty members of Congress are heading for

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the exits. All kinds of reasons
given. Mainly it's dysfunction. Can you

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talk about since you have a business
experience, you've led a normal life,

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and you've been in the military US
graduate of West Point, do you sense

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this function in the halls of Congress? Well, look, we know it's

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broken. I mean that's why most
people run. Now. Will admit there

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are some people that go there because
they just want to be there, and

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unfortunately a fair number of them seem
pretty hell bent on preserving the status quo.

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They don't want anything to change.
Some of them are leaving because they

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went there to try to change things, and they're exasperated. And that's where

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the public is. I mean,
people I talk to are just frustrated,

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and like, count me with the
frustrated people. I'm not ready to throw

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in the towel. I'm running for
reelection, but there are some people that

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are like, oh, it's time
for some fresh legs. I'm sick of

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this nonsense. Yeah. And when
I look the when I just travel the

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highways and the byways, and of
course I'm on the radio six days a

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week, there's this sense of we
elect Republicans, but nothing changes. And

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I suppose smart money says next November, the Senate's going to become Republican.

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The House maybe not so, in
which case many leaders of the House want

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to get out before they have to
work for Nancy Pelosi or a king Jeffries,

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which should be unbelievable. So how
would you answer the cry of normal

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Americans who say, we elect Republicans
and nothing changes. Yeah, I mean,

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look, that's the frustration. I
mean, you know what happened this

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year. We passed a lot of
things through the House only to have the

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Senate not take them up. And
even when we had control of the Senate,

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the rules of the Senate say you
got to get sixty votes to move

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lots of things. So you know, the thing you run up against is

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getting stuff through the Senate. And
you know, we've passed a lot of

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the things that we said we would
through the House, we can't get the

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Senate to take them up. And
that's why the fights over spending become so

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critical because the one thing that can
go through on fifty one votes is a

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budget reconciliation bill, and you know, we have to fund the government one

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way, shape or form. And
go back to the start of the year,

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Joe Biden said there was going to
be a clean debt limit increase.

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You're just going to raise the debt
limit, and we said, no,

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we're not. We're going to get
some concessions out of it. And they

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weren't as big as a lot of
us wanted. I mean, frankly,

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the public, it's not anywhere near
as big as we need. But we

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got important concessions, like, you
know, really a commitment to spend less

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money past two thirds of the House, two thirds of the Senate. Joe

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Biden signed it. And that's where
you look at these crs, you know,

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like the one at the end of
September and the one most recently passed

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head of November seventeenth, Speaker McCarthy
on the one, Speaker Johnson on the

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other. Either way, they both
failed to implement what was agreed to in

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May, which is to cut spending, you know. So that's where people

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get frustrated, and they should be. So it's the system. In other

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words, I tell the American people
almost every day we have a little bit

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of control of the House, just
barely by. There's five or ten members

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that lean left. But even if
you get something passed, Chuck Schumer is

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not going to let anything come to
the floor of the Senate. So the

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system is set up to maintain the
status quo. And the status quo is

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unacceptable. So that's right. And
look, that's where a lot of people

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are like, look, how do
we dissolve the government and reform it?

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I mean, look, I've never
historically supported this idea of a Convention of

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states because it's dangerous, but the
current system is failing, and I think

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a lot of people are like,
well, maybe we do need another constitutional

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convention where it goes with some of
the far left, crazy people that are

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out there. I got no idea. That's why I'm scared of that play.

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What I will say is really unfortunately, I think one of the emblematic

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votes is this idea that we're going
to continue building a brand new headquarters for

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the FBI in the midst of all
the weaponized government. Now reality, it's

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not all the agents. A lot
of the agent's, vast majority of them

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probably great people, but the leadership
of the FBI has been terrible. And

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unless we get that reconciled, there's
no way I can vote to give these

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guys more or money. And unfortunately, seventy Republicans sided with all the Democrats

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to say, let's go ahead and
do that. Let's go back a little

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bit to the Convention of States,
because that is frightening for one reason,

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like you have no idea where it
goes. But this is an article put

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in by the founding Fathers back in
seventeen eighty nine that said, if I

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think the numbers three fourths, you'll
know the number. Say we want another

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convention, a constitutional convention, you
start from scratch, or you could have

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one one article added or whatever.
Explain to the American people the Convention of

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States and why some are advocating for
that because right now we're in total dysfunction.

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Yeah, so a lot of times
people will say the states could just

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simply decide that three forces of the
states, let's go back to a convention.

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They can limit the purpose of it, and it can only you can

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only consider these things or that,
you know. But the realitia is when

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the Founding fathers got together to form
the Constitution, they were really only supposed

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to amend the Article of Confederation,
and so they basically said, yeah,

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these are kind of unworkable. Let's
just create a new constitution and as long

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as three fourths of the states ratify
it, you know, then it becomes

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the constitution. So that's the that's
the challenge. You could you could really

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wind up with a whole different basis
for our constitution. Our constitution was created

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by our founding fathers who recognize that
our rights come not from government but from

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God. And the government can't be
the giver of your rights because if they

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can, they could be the taker
away of them. Our constitution limits the

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ability of the government to take away
rights. Uh, but there are people

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that want to spin it on its
head and make the government the grantor of

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rights, like, oh, you
have a right to housing, you have

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a right to toilet paper. I
don't know whatever else they want to have

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right to. But everything that that
involves a gift of someone else's labor can't

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possibly be a right, because that
would be you would be able to compel

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somebody else's labor. So the view
of our constitution is right. But the

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problem we see is the bureaucratic state. These unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats, people

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like Fauci, people like Chris Ray, that don't get fired. They just

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continue on Gary Ginsler at this juris
in Exchange Commission. All kinds of folks

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that are just running over the country
and abusing the power of the office with

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very little accountability from the executive branch
or the judiciary branch, and almost none

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from Congress. And the beauty of
the Convention of States would be that each

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state gets one vote. So that
means the state of Wyoming we get the

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same vote as to the state of
California. And so if you have three

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fourths of the states, I think
the numbers up to thirty five or thirty

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six right now to call for that
convention. When you do have the convention,

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you need thirty eight states, which
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state has one vote. We wouldn't
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there's more red states and blue states. Yeah, that's been the thinking,

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is that we've got a shot at
saving the country if you get on that

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path. I don't know them all
the way there, but I've been more

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receptive to it in this Congress because, look, we're just not getting things

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done that we need to for the
American people. And you know, how,

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how should it take so much effort
to make the Biden administration simply follow

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the law? Our laws are fine. If we secured a border, the

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border of Trogean Stas' saying, look, we don't need more people, we

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don't need more money. We just
need to be freed up to actually follow

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the law, and we could actually
secure the border. They're being prevented from

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following the laws of our country to
defend our country. And it really doesn't

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get more basic that than at our
border. Well, that would be a

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wonderful thing. And in the past
I've Also, I'm just a slep radio

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talk show host, but I'm thinking
the country right now is seriously off track.

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I'm looking at some polling. Of
course polling is irrelevant. Legislation is

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what matters. But according to this, according to a poll out of the

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Washington Post, seventy eight of the
country as a negative view of the future.

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One might say, who are the
other twenty two percent? But when

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you have three fords of the American
people say we're completely off track. We

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have an out of control bureaucracy the
FBI, etc. We have a chief

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executive officer who's not mentally equipped to
do the job. We have laws that

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are not enforced by the bureaucracy because
they don't want to enforce them or doesn't

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fit their viewpoint of what the law
should be. The country is seriously off

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track, and so I would hope
in the future there might be an idea

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to call the Convention of Stage get
thirty eight states to say let's do it.

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And if that happens, you could
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as southern border, such as reforming
the entitlements, such as a thirty four

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trillion dollars in national debt on its
way to forty trillion dollars by twenty thirty,

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which is only seven years away.
And the interest payments on the national

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debt now we are one trillion dollars
plus a year, which we can't afford.

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And this meme is going around of
this Norman Rockwell painting of a farmer

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standing up and saying, why should
I pay taxes if we can simply print

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more money? And yeah, how
about The writing answer to that is that

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if depthkits don't matter, then why
tax people? Is it just because you

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hate people that make money? And
there are plenty of people paying taxes don't

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make that much, and you layer
in all the layers of tax that we've

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got. You know, there's another
one I saw going around, What is

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the income tax? It's a penalty
for not being as bold as your forefathers.

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They would have never tolerated this nonsense. No, And if you look,

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one of the most important things is
bouncing the budget. You look at

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everyone knows that you have to do
that right and in theory, Congress knows

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that, but every year they increase
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had some of the most basic spending
cuts in the world laid out there and

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almost every single one. You'd have
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with all the Democrats going, well, you know we can't cut that.

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Well, we can't turn this off. Well, we can't turn that off.

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You're going to turn something off.
I mean, you've spent in two

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trillion dollars more than we bring in
in taxes and tariffs and every other way

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the government makes money. You have
to turn something off. We have a

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spending problem. Well. I also
would add that story out of the Washington

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Post that the FBI had forty confidential
informants. These are human assets tracking the

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Biden family shady business deals, beginning
in twenty oh nine. So they've been

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at this for like fifteen years of
tracking Joe Biden's monetizing the vice presidency,

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monetizing being out of office, and
then monetizing the presidency to his family's benefits.

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He's spent fifty years in government,
he has seaside properties all over the

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East Coast, and seemingly he's made
normal more than no more than one hundred

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and seventy five thousand dollars a year
in office with two homes before it became

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the president. The presidency I think
pays four hundred thousand dollars a year.

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And so you have a FBI who's
giving practological exams to the conservative organizations,

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including Donald Trump. They're going after
the Federalist Society, going after the NRA,

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and the FBI is is got his
eyeshut about all the criminal misdeeds of

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Joe Biden at all and is not
ignored. You brought up the new FBI

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building. Can you explain how that
plays in to the control we want to

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have over the bureaucracies and not vice
versa. Yeah, I mean they're basically

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building a separate campus. They the
proposal is to build a separate campus that's

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bigger than the Pentagon for the FBI. I mean, this is domestic enforcing

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the laws on our country. We
just found out like the FBI was coordinating

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with Twitter. You know, Elon
Musk bought the crime scene there at Twitter

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now x And we saw how the
f was coordinating big tech, not just

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Twitter, but all the big tech
companies. We just get subpoenas on Bank

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of America. So we saw how
the banks are turning over all your records

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just during the week of Thanksgiving.
We saw how at and t surely others

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working with the federal government to log
your phone calls and build the network out.

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This isn't tracking al Qaeda, this
is tracking American citizens. I mean,

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they're building a police state and we're
going to give them the headquarters in

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the tech to further insulate themselves from
accountability. The idea that you would cut

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them a check to do anything except
to reform the place is mind blowing.

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And look, regardless, Donald Trump
did pick Chris Ray to lead the FBI.

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He was supposed to give the public
more confident that the FBI was there

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to serve the people. But it's
not going. Well, how do we

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not fire that guy? At this
point, there has to be accountability,

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and I think that's where people are
so frustrated. And look, there are

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the vast majority of Republicans in Congress
want all these things. When I go

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talk to my constituents, I'm like, look, you know, I'm fighting

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for it. The good news is
the majority of the Republicans in the House

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right now are fighting for the same
kinds of things that you and I want

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done. Unfortunately, it's not all
of us. And that's what we need.

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We need enforcements and so if the
people that are wanting to preserve the

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status quo are getting exasperated and exhausted, and we're wearing them out, or

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they're just aging out. They've been
there for forty years. Great, let

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the country send us some reinforcements so
we can deliver on the promises we keep

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making. Lastly, no, it
needs done. Lastly, Congressman Warren Davidson,

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why not take departments of government and
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send them to Ohio, bring them
to Tennessee. Why not disperse all

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that around the country. That was
one of my first bills. Will he

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the drain the swampback? You know, the title comes from Trump's idea,

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but the idea is not new,
but it's something I always love this.

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Look at the Pentagon's got about less
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We got trips deployed all over the
planet. We could scale that back,

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for sure. But either way,
why not have the Department of Agriculture have

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lots of their employees based out here
where we grow food. Yes, yes,

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have the Department of Interior out in
the west where we own all these

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western lands. Maybe they'd see it's
okay to cut down some dead trees in

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the forest instead of letting them be
fueled for forest fires. They'd have people

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that grew up there and understand the
issues, and it would cost way less

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than all the money. The East
coast Washington, d C. Home to

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some of the wealthiest counties in the
country, and that's where the average guy

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in America feels like their paycheck's getting
wrecked and it's being sent to Washington,

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d C. So that you can
fund an elite that's totally discanted from our

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country. I hope we can pass
the drain and swamp backed, but it

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hasn't caught on yet. Well,
as you said, as long as the

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Democrats control the center or even Republicans, you need sixty votes to do anything,

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and I cannot conceive of Republicans getting
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possible, but we'll see what happens. But I know there's many opportunities.

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And Warren Davidson, you're like a
normal person. I'm glad you're there,

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but keep preaching it's an honor to
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people do keep sending us more reinforcements, more people that are there to do

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the right thing, and I've seen
the momentum shift in the House since I've

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been there, and I feel like, look keep sending us reinforcements. We

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are going to get this done because
we have to, Congressman, no question,

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we are. But we're teetering.
And if we continue beginning of next

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year, another four to eight year
run of Gavin Newsom or Kamala Harris,

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it's done. It's over, the
country's done. We'll be fifty trillion dollars.

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There'll be a dead crisis, in
which case dollars will be worth nothing,

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pensions will be worth nothing, and
you need to wear a barrel full

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of dollars to buy a loaf of
bread. And we've got to stop the

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madness. Warren Davidson, Congressman,
once again, thank you for coming on

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the Bill Cunningham Show. Always an
honor. Thank you, Willie. God

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bless you and your listeners, and
God bless America, and Merry Christmas and

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Happy Holidays. Bill Cunningham, the
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