Welcome to softcore History. What is up? Guys? Welcome back to softcore
History. I am your host, Rob Fox, and we have a very
special episode today. But before we get into that, I'll introduce my co
host, the dancing Dan Rejester. What's up, you're dancing. It's been
a long day. Yeah, it has been an unlike I guess unfortunate.
I'm really just tired. Yeah, we're all tired. We didn't get hilarious,
we didn't get our Chipotle today. I haven't eaten all the day.
Yeah, I've only had one like knockoff. Yeah, it's not great.
I'm gonna get home and uh yell at Courtney until she puts a frozen pizza
in the oven. Nice. Yeah, it's intermittent, you do it.
That's what you're doing at this point is just fasting. You're fasting. Yeah,
yeah, it's iffing all the way. And another voice you hear is
Jake Goldman. Hey, I'm not intermittent fasting now, No, nor any
other day lately. You're just having a ranchwater, having a ranchwater, dude.
You see the other day. Actually, somebody tagged us. I guess
it was going viral, some guy. I think I had a heart attack
because he dry scooped. Yes, I did see that time. People are
like, oh, Jake and Dan did this like four years ago. Yeah,
what is what? Well, we'll get Oh we have one more voice
are returning guests. I think you're the most tenured guest on the show.
Third time, third time, Veronica Rock. Hey, guys, how's it
going. It's going good. I am really happy you're here today, Veronica,
because I missed the last time you were here. You did miss it?
Where were you? I was on my second year anniversary in a cabin
out Nowhere's Ville, Texas. Yeah, huh, that makes sense for you
guys. It was just him, and it makes more sense for me.
It was Jake and his wife and his dog watching Jake and his wife bang.
I was actually unfortunately I had gotten the second vaccine and I was totally
wiped out poorly. Time we went to the Fredericksburg before that. Yeah,
I actually met up with Jake and his wife. Yes, yeah, we
got. I was gonna say her name, but I don't know if I
when a docks her, Yeah, I won't. I won't say her name.
I mean said her name on the show. Katie Katie Okay, my
wife's name is Katie. How is anyone going to find a white woman named
Katie Haitie Goldman? Yeah? No, Um, I'm not too worried about
my wife getting you know what, I don't even want to say that because
getting docks. Yeah, I don't want to you never know. Yeah,
who knows? But docs for what? Who knows? Yeah? No,
just kiss me? Yeah, because I exist. That's the last thing I
want is my existence to lead to someone's wife. Katy listen, uh me
pimping out my girlfriend's practice in business actually got her some some clientele. Really
drinking bro went in. That's all I can say. I don't really want
to according to hit Wait, what did he get fucking laser? We can't
can't say because of hippo. Yeah yeah, but but you know we don't
get it off heir though, so it would get her in a deep trouble.
A listener went in and got let's let's just continue. Okay, you
do not get her fired? Okay, A right, right, we know
what the practice? Well, I guess like if you need a building built,
yeah, my wife, Yeah, my wife's an architect, so that's
fair. Yeah, that's such a cool job. You guys are like the
reverse rom com right, Like you're in media. She's an architect. It's
reverse like it kind of is like she's Tad Mosby and I'm yes, yeah,
whatever, chick, Tad Mosby's being Yeah, you're creative. Yeah,
totally. I feel like every rom com is like she works out of magazine
and he's an archy. Yeah, it is funny. He does math will
it's crazy. I do. Yeah, they will always do well when there's
about twenty minutes left in the movie, they will. It's funny. I
do run in like really just flustered into my office every day with like four
Starbucks. I'm like, oh sorry, I'm like first dropping out my portfolio.
God, you're goofy. You eat sandwiches, You're just yeah, you
love pizza. Oh man, it's like my personality. Yes, yeah,
that and I can play Xbox and beer. I bet I drink beer.
I've had a beer. Yeah, well, you're the perfect woman. I
mean I can also sip Scotch if you let me. Okay, yeah there.
You guys don't know this, but We're going to make love to Jake
when this episode's over. I'm turning everyone on just with I'm a manic pixie
dream boy. I think it's yes, I love it. But yeah,
so speaking of me banging Jake, we are we have Veronica here today because
it's Pride month and we want to Yeah, we want to do a little
a little gay history today, gay stuff, gay stuff, but here's history.
We're we're also straight and we want to chick on chick. You're straight?
Yeah, yeah, I'm like so straight, Like, yeah, girl,
there's a lot of like, obviously none of you are so straight.
I think that's well argued. I've actually argued before that all guys should be
bisexual just to drive down the price of pussy. You're definitely, it's pure
market economics that all men should be bisexual. Amen, are bisexual. Everyone's
bisexual. I mean literally throughout history, we have so many options that we
could have went with man on man, especially in a domination like type of
Roman or Greek way. Right now, we couldn't do it. There's you
know, my favorite thing, My favorite gay joke is like liking if you're
a man, liking women is gay, Like, oh, what do you
she is so soft and she smells like flowers. That's gay? Do you
know that? That's the best dirty rock joke of all times. There's a
dirty rock quote that uh, Devin Banks, it's Will Arnett, Yeah he's
gay, and that's in that show and he's talking to uh Jack Donneghy Alcoboldin's
character and Jack like off handily mentions he's gay, and he was like me,
gay, you're the one who is sex with women? What like,
there's nothing there's nothing gayer than that you win sex with a man that's as
straight as it gets. Um, that's maybe that is where I heard at
first. It's just like been this joke in my mind, and it's so
it's so funny. I mean, yeah, the bodybuilding community too. It's
like guys don't live for other gay don't live for other girls. I as
a I guess I guess Barncas doesn't buy. But as an actively cis gendered
man. Um. Yeah, the bodybuilding for him is just dudes, yeah,
complimenting each other's pecks. And the bigger you get, the more body
just morpha you have, and yeah, and more insecure you get around other
men. But actually, here's the funny converse of that. The bigger you
get, you actually get more gravity for smaller dudes to come and ask you
what you do. You're You're like a big muscle planet, and smaller muscle
planets come towards your you become a neutron star. Yeah, you collapse and
the way I was never like this. Instead of having sex with a pillow,
like when I was a teenager, I would in my bed, I
would suck a piece of lumber. Oh yeah, okay, or a rock.
It is confusing they call it would theater? Fucking yeah? Is so
straight? Right? Like that? I guess I always had a really good
question. I'm in the same campus Veronica where like I asked, dudes,
it's like, okay, okay, so you how many male friends do you
have that you would deem like they're they're ugly? You have ugly male friends?
Right? You don't have anyone that you would deem ugly. You're subconsciously
ranking them at least two. Yeah, yeah, Like it's not few and
far between. You're putting yourself in an attractive this category with other people that
you find similar. Like, so you have some sort of objectiveness to what
you think attractiveness is between male and female. I'll say, right up,
Brad Pitt and me, Joe Black is goddamn outrageous, more attract I don't
think any woman I see, I don't think anyone disagrees with them. Yeahs
death? I mean, yeah, God, how attractive do you have to
be in order to date somebody who is death? Like who's death? Or
how how old he's death? He is death? He's death? I said
death, Death's death? Death or death is? Like I've been corrected on
this one before. I've got it right. I know I'm nailed death right,
but no, Like, all right, if a girl is death,
how attractive does she have to be for you to in order for you to
date her? Do I die if I hook up with her? When the
hooking up doesn't count? Like, obviously you're gonna do you say death or
death? Yeah? Which one? Are you talking about? The Grim Reaper
or not? Sure? Both? Yeah? Now, actually we'll go with
death well too. Similarly, is gonna have to look like Brad Pitt,
it's gonna be it's gonna be worth before imagine, Yeah, he probably probably
the Grim Reaper has to be mean. But uh, we're not talking about
dude on dude today because one thing I noticed while researching this, and I
already knew this obviasally because I'm super smart. Um was that like all the
kind of gay history the men. This is not a pun. Suck it
up, you know what I mean? Like they all the male attention,
it all goes to male attention. And it's so different from today, right,
come on, that is still a common complaint amongst you say you say
girls and gays. If you're a gay girl, you're not included somehow like
that. It's guys, you guys, you've heard you see this, these
people saying like, all right, ladies and gays that means straight women and
gay man. If you're a lesbian who is both girl and gay, like
you're you don't count and it like you're not greeted, but you are not.
So you're engaged to a woman who is a lesbian, who is a
lesbian, but you do not identify as lessian. I am not a lesbian,
no, I Um, I dated many boys, um, all the
boys. But so there's a difference though between like a guy who's like,
yeah I did, but I'm actually gay. Sure, yes, I am
not the like a closeted, repressed lesbian. That is not me. I
was pretty old when I met Taylor and my fiance, and I don't know.
I just I was always like a little curious. I guess, um,
before that, you were a noted big dick enthusiast. Yes, like
size matter, size still matters. I'll say, um, yeah, but
you can get it on Amazon. You can get it on Amazon. It's
always the right sciences. Yeah, yeah, so yes, I always eat
a boys, always into a big dick. That was me. Um.
And but I was like curious, right because I was like, I'm so
sexual, I'm adventurous, I want to do this one time. Um went
on a date, a first date with my now fiance, and I was
like, it's just gonna be the one day. I'm just gonna hook up
one time, and then like oops, I fell in love. But I
still like boys. My fiance. You guys all know her. She is
not. She is not girl like I am girl. Um. The US
Marine Corps, Yes, she's captain the Marine Corps. She looks like a
Captain the Marine Corps is ruby rosesque. Yeah, she's a bit ruby rosy.
Uh. That's like maybe a dated reference in twenty twenty one. But
she is, like I could see that though, Like she's a stud,
you know, like she is, and she's a bit of a bro.
She's definitely a gun owner as well, and owns a big old jeep,
big old jeep, like a big old hard ass jeep, like like this
thing will crush. Yeah, yeah she yeah, but she's not. She's
hot. Also, I feel like we're describing this and it's maybe because people
are and you have stereotypes. She's hot. I thought Marine Corps captain encompass
that put that in. Yeah, yeah, looks good in a uniform.
Yeah she is. She's a cutie. I would love to just go down
a list of all these things and like reverse of how we talked about them,
just to see if like it just pissed some people off or it's like
Marine Corps like cheap fucking build ship, and then it's like most American person
you can think of also lesbian. Yeah, that would just like that would
just make Mitch McConnell right right, because they have to have a heart on
until they're like what do I what do I do with this heart on it?
Right? Manti cheep, I'll say it, Anti Jeep. Yeah,
I hold their own little wave when I drive the jeep. I am I
missing pretty garbage. It's a marketing. I want. I'll never buy a
cheep Okay, let me say something. They flipped too easy. When you
see somebody driving your own car, though, don't you kind of notice that
I don't ultimotors? No, I don't. Yeah. The Ford Edge,
for edge is a thriving community of soccer moms. I wave to every what
about it? You see like a Missouri license plate? You're like, hey,
it's us no plate? So I just think I'm a psycho. Yeah,
right, I do not wave plates, but I noticed I do you
notice Missouri place? For sure? I'm like, and my wife is always
like, just shut the fuck up, yeah, because I'm like, hey,
and honestly, half the time is probably a rental car. Make me
so. I will see Gator fans scream at each other out of the windows
if they see each other in shirts you, oh, I do every time,
like go guys. Oh if I see a Missou shirt for sure?
Well, the fucking one of the barisas downstairs at the cafe was wearing a
Missoo shirt one day and I was like, what the fuck? And I'd
been like I know this guy because I've been going there for so long,
and I was like, what do you did you go there? And he's
he was like, I didn't go there, but I'm from Colombia. And
I was like, oh shit, that's that's super rare. I feel like,
I don't know, isn't this like a place you come if you're from
Missouri? From like I feel like everybody from the Midwest. Yeah. At
our old company, they were like several sea Yeah, yeah, many many.
There are a lot of Jersey. I've met a lot of Jersey here
in Austen. Actually that's more random to me. It is more random.
But I think Jersey just like New York or Miami, and then we are
yeah, oh they there, Yeah, yeah, we are. Um,
but I've met a plan. I have plenty of friends here from Jersey,
but I find them. I guess I like that energy, Jersey energy.
We like that Jersey energy. Nobody from the Northeast here me besides us,
I know a lot. I'm just not kidding. Northeast people too. And
the West Virginia guys and that's it. Oh yeah, what should I say?
Westernia, West Vinia Northeast They went to the school. Yeah, that's
the only two. There's only four I can think of. It's a really
tough. I forget you. Oh do you not? Well, I'm from
the town where like the first Wawa. But um, it's okay, it's
no state of Florida. Florida's now the Wawa state, right and it has
better wallwas too, because in Pennsylvania, at least as long as I live
there, you could not buy beer in o Wawa. You had to go
to insane Laws or Yeah. So like in Florida, it's your one stop
shop. You get your sandwich, you get your free ATMs, so you
get money from the want to go there. Right now, it's it's all.
That's all public system. I liked Wawa better than public so I'm just
gonna say it. That's a completely different comparison. That's I like flying ja
truck stop versus lows like yeah, sure, well whatever. Yeah, anyway,
lets let's get into the topic. We've had some good conversation here.
Let's get let's get what we're talking about. So, and I don't like
keep pushing your gene. I am pushing. I am an honor of Pride
month and and and I wanted to do even though you're not specifically identified as
lesbian. I feel like we talked about lesbian history kind of gets usbians.
Yes, the sea to gay history for sure, it's like, oh man,
Greeks bangle to guys. But you know, there is some interesting things
about women being with women. Okay, through history. I love to learn
some hilarious some try. I didn't do much of the uh, I'll say
up front, I didn't do much of the like funny, like a funny
some of the more fucked up like trial stuff, because it's like my traffic
in that. Really Yeah, okay, let's not let's not let's not profit
from people's misery as much as we can. There's a little bit in here,
but to the most part is wanting to be more what people thought of
it at the time. So that's kind of like the run out of it.
So we start with ancient Egypt as everything, because ancient Egypt is essentially
the oldest civilization and history. People actually think now that ancient Egypt is uh
pre dates Summer, the Summarians. It's it might have started during the Stone
Age. Oh yeah, they didn't writing then, but it was like civilization.
It was probably the first civilization essentially. So his story don't actually know
much about Egyptian homosexuality um, though it should be noted or ancient Egyptian homosexuality.
There should be noted that ancient Egypt is kind of a nonsense term.
It's a little bit catch all ancient Egypt. That term spans three thousand years
now to one thousand BC, so a bit of a long time. A
lot can happen. So you know, like what was chill in the old
kingdom might have been not so good to the new kingdom or vice versa or
whatever. But there is one passage uh written in the dream book of the
Carl Book carl Berg Papyrus, which is like a medical book. Essentially,
if a woman dreams that a woman has intercourse with her, she will come
to a bad end. Now, I don't know if that means that lesbianism
is man or if it's like I actually like to take that as it's a
bad sign that the flooding will be terrible in the spring. This is just
wetness. Um, okay, period joke. But no, I'm not gonna
period joke. What do you was this amateur hour? We're just talking about
wetness. Yeah, I'm really edgy and on on on the coat. What
is way more highbrow than period everyone in the course of course. Yeah,
but no they're so that's that is legitimately about all there exists of ancient ancient
Egyptian god. But there is a pretty interesting take on ancient Egypt and lesbians
from Jews Jewish. I've noticed it got silent. I wasn't looking at you,
and then I just see your beady little Irish eyes staring at me with
a big old shit eating grin. We're just getting way more into ethnically hating
each other here, we're the two Irish guys. What do he calls potato
monkeys like potato chucking monkeys? Yes, oh my god, that's pretty Who
do I claim? I can either way Italian like Irish order, I can
like I could ally with either. I'm Italian. I know, yeah,
you would probably with Catholics or the big nose. I just don't know,
you know, tough either way, that is tough. To be fair,
I would just call you a spaghetti chucking mucolini of sorts. So yeah,
that's a little monkey though. Um so there is one one writer who has
some interesting things to say about uh, woman and woman love in Egypt.
It's a medieval though. This is it's a medieval uh Sephardic Jewish philosopher by
the name of Mamonidas. You're getting into medieval Sephardic Jewish philosophy, So Jewish
people don't know he's from Spain essentially, Yeah, yeah, it's the very
Mediterranean looking Jews. He was one. He's one of the most prolific and
influential Torah scholars the Middle Ages. He was actually also at one point,
um well, he was also an astronomer in a physician, because you did
kind of one science back then, you did all. He was actually solid
Dean's physician for a while. He was a doctor as well. Um uh
memidadus or memidadus, whatever you one call it. He referred to uh lesbianism
as the acts of Egypt, right, because Jews don't like Egypt. Yeah,
but they have to portray Egyptians as a kind of godless, sinful out
of favor of Yahweh or or God or whatever you want to call it.
Um. But really like he was really actually more interested in portraying ancient Egyptian
women as sluts because he said they also practiced polyandry, which means multiple husbands.
So essentially it was like Egyptian women, just like anyone couldn't get enough
man women. And there is no better way to keep some sluts down right
than call them sluts. I gotta say, though, it feels it feels
like it backfire is currently Like I'm I'm thinking the enslavers were cooler than the
than the slaves in Asian Egypt. Like everyone's just getting down all the time.
Yeah, I don't know, man um. Like if you go into
like medieval philosophy from rabbetical and I do all the time. Yeah, well,
as we all do. Who doesn't you know, we gotta follow the
canonical philosophy of different scholars of the Torah. But there's some pretty insane shit
if you go far back enough too, like I mean you have you're talking
about like the Lesser and Greater Keys of Solomon at that point and stuff like
that. What's funny about this guy is he's not even writing the Torah.
He's like four thousand years removed from the writing of the Torah. That's what
I'm That's what I'm saying. Like, if you go I mean the whole
thought process of the I'm not gonna try and like, oh he was just
like obviously he's trying to can roll and distort image right there. But um
yeah, if you go through like the rabbiitical teachings from the medieval period,
there's a lot of just insane shit, Like I mean, you can get
into magic spells, you can get it really depends on who you're studying.
Yeah, I feel like the medieval period is where a lot of both current
Jewish practice and also current Jewish um hatred comes from. Oh absolutely, Like
it's really all born from like that era. How you want to interpret it?
Sure, yeah, yeah, well yeah, like what people from the
inside that and then from the outside. Yeah, I mean that's why.
That's why, like the most common movement is probably the reformed movement of Judaism
because it's like most of this shit sucks, like really weird. Will just
not do the poor thing. But what what what's funny to me, by
the way about this What made me laugh about that specifything? Always like Egypt
is chicks took up with chicks. Chicks, Yeah, they're selling it.
Chicks have multiple husbands wherever. What's the funniest about him doing that was they
essentially they had already made another civilization or two civilizations. They already put man
on man sex on them, so it'd be bad writing to do it twice.
I see, right, So sodomy, these people are all all the
men are fucking here, all the women are y yeah yeah yeah. So
in Sodom and Gomorrah and what was I gotta look at the kingdom called Amalek,
which is kind of in the lavant as well, I believe, or
nearby in the Middle East for sure. Uh, they were all gay,
like men on man on man gay, homosexual. And then Egypt they were
like, oh fuck, we need something. What can we say about that?
They're all slots, you know what they have like a lot of or
maybe there's just one like major queen, right Cleopatra? Is she the only
one? Cleopatra nefertuity would be the actual like legit Egyptian Egyptian queen. Uh.
Cleopatra was during the Roman Era, essentially she was and she was actually
not even a what Yeah, by that point the Greeks had run Egypt for
years after Alexander the Great conquered dynasty. Okay, so then so whatever,
by the way, you see anyone being like I can't believe they're having like
X I think there was a thing about Galgado playing yeah, and it's like
she's not African, and it's like, yeah, no, there was Clearpatrick,
Wow Egypt by then, Okay, but people don't know that. I
actually saw quite a bit of black Twitter being like, you guys are idiots?
Oh really? Yeah, they were like, come up, I don't
think I learn your history. Not knowing it shouldn't be an excuse to be
upset about. That's the reason not to be upset. Well, to me,
what would be problematic is if the writers of the film also don't know
that, yes, you know what I'm saying, yes, and I don't
know what the facts are, and I haven't heard anybody come out and be
like, well, actually it's because we wanted to represent the truth and she
was great. You definitely couldn't reckon on Elizabeth Taylor because they probably would have
castled as the Taylor anyway. There are as Matt Damon for everything. Yeah,
he was. He was defending the Great Wall. Yeah, as a
European. They didn't cast him with a Chinese guy. He was like a
European. Really, she's dragons, but she's she's Israeli, but she's European.
To set okay, like she's not like her. She can't trace is
I don't think she could traces. Why are you looking at me like I
know what Galgado? Look you're talking, I don't think you could trace as
Raeli. Galgado back like, well she was in the Galdo And actually,
now that you're saying this, I didn't know what girl named Gallan high school
who was Israeli? So it might be a prep not good dough, that's
more linguistic. Didn't she like correct somebody and say it was not GOODO?
What gat? Yeah? I think it's like a hard tea. We just
did it French. I think it is like because I remember correcting somebody and
then they showed me a video and yeah, I think she corrected something on
a late night show. Actually, Getta is more the of the area of
that region. There's a lot of celebrities like that. Chrissy Tigan is like,
it's really tig In actually, and Ariana Grande Grande is definitely correct,
but she pronounces it grandy And people always say register and I'm like, yeah,
yeah, yeah, so you are also part. We're on the same
level among the likes. I just like I said, I never had I've
never had my name miss pronounced folks. Yeahs Goldmain. Yeah, we both
have very simple names. Yeah, my name is pronounced a lot that h
confuses people, but like it doesn't like see it phonetically Rock. Yeah that's
how it said. Choice. Well I think really it was, or the
thought is that it was because my last name is German, and I feel
like people forget this because I'm like culturally very Italian and like seventy anyway,
but Rock is German, and I think the belief is that it like was
Rockheimer and then they like cut it off. They did it wrong. Yeah,
they didn't know. So my last name is actually the same. My
family anglicized, which your family did too, anglicized their names, and most
families did that. A read around World War One actually German names specifically,
and so mine was Fox, but just in German was which is Fuchs yeah
Bucks, Yeah, No, it's funny that happened to my family too.
We were the christ Slayers before we came over and they made it Goldman.
It's so bush like that would have been such a cooler name. It feels
like a lateral move. Yeah, I know, well nowadays with connotation,
but yeah, yeah, very cop but uh so in ancient eyshypt so that
was what the Talmud did. Talma slayers had slayers, fuck scholars. Scholars
had to say. Still, though, women during the New Kingdom and Egypt
actually enjoyed a pretty relaxed and intimate atmosphere like uh, including with female slaves
who were scantily clad or naked out of the time. Uh take that as
you will thousands of years ago. Yeah, and also very warm. I
do picture them though, like a Game of Thrones, like naked slave girls
not that off, I think. I think it's not. I don't think
it's like hot. I think they probably wore these like like flowy linen fabrics.
It makes sense. I don't know. In my Latin book there was
in high school, like my like Latin textbook, I think they had the
like slave girls dressed of that. What is it, Puella? Is that
slave girl? Do you guys know were uncula? I don't remember. I
mean, Coop, can I get some ranch waters? By the way,
that's part of our show now we just asked for ask Coop for ranch water.
Well, the thing is rob rob us to actually just go on drink
or a piss mid show because he couldn't hold it because you know, he's
he's a baby, like crushing drinks's pregnant, we are pregnant. It does,
it does kind of give the audience, though, a brief break of
him bourbon in to the mic. Though yes, yes, yes, yeah,
it's the only thing he gets in there. It's like talk. The
only thing he actually talks into the mic is when if I have to swallow,
I'm like, uh, you're not watching me. The people who are
listening. I move away the mic. Sorry, good radio. So we
moved from ancient Egypt to ancient Greece, where getting gay was for dudes only.
Dudes only, Yeah, dudes only. Really? Uh. In classical
Athens, the idea of homosexual women is briefly mentioned in a speech by or
in the speech of Aristophanes, which is part of like Plato's symposium, which
I don't know what the fun that is really, but why not, thank
you, sir um. Later references to female homosexuality in Greek literature include an
epigram by a clip be at Us, which describes two women who reject aphrodites
rules but also do reject aphrodites rules, but instead get into other things which
are not seemly okay. So again, so it is like still bad news,
like you're still it's not ideal, and we'll kind of get into why
and a bit it. I kind of like to go through it. I
mean, meanwhile, there was another work. Uh there's another guy who who
um or the same guy. I'm sorry, the same guy asked for Finney.
Who's who's talking about? Yeah, it's not seemly or whatever. Meanwhile,
like women getting together not okay, but he was like in that same
writing, was like, but yeah, I do. I do have a
couple of dudes though, and it's really interesting. We should explore that in
death. Oh so he admits like I'm kind of a hypocrite. Well no,
he doesn't make he's a hypocrite. Okay, he's just like that you
are the hypocrite. Yeah, son, men in Greece weren't really cool with
women getting down. Yeah of course. Well here's the thing, right and
what I'm hearing you saying right now is just like women being sexual is an
issue at all, and especially the idea that it would like render a man
useless is like extra problematic, like which is still that we don't do this
podcast. Okay, is it not problematic of God, we need to do
whoever we want and women? Yeah, that's that sounds like it's yeah to
whoever we want, Yeah, and we'll just throw this I think. I
mean, like it's still the case where like men are threatened by because right,
a lot of guys can't bring a girl to finish line a lot and
maybe one thing it's no her whatever, but like women care like it ladies
too, and this like threat of like, oh, it's not that they
were never sexual or like never had desire when they were with me. I
just wasn't good at it. Like that is so that is so threatening to
the ego and like from the beginning of time from what I'm hearing, isn't
like literally yeah, of course pretty much. Also think that part of that
though, that people that like men don't give enough credit to is that like
there's even if you're fucking awesome, there's there's always going to be women that
you can't get or anything like for the like, there are times where I've
hooked up with girls where it is everyone's, yeah, do I've fucked at
least three times at least once? You know that definitely I do have a
receipt? What about you virgins? I have never seen none of us do
have a recipe without the transaction? Actually, yeah, you're getting charged with
that. Yes, women where it's been like no problem, where it's been
like oh my god, we're so sympatica oh, and it's like happening or
whatever. There's also been women where it's like I don't know what I could
possibly do, so I I don't think this is necessarily like oh she just
can't. It's like, oh, we just can't. Yes, you know.
And I feel like there's a lot of like emotional stuff going on there
or like people are drunk or like not comfortable yet, and like it is
I think generally, well I can't say for all women, but like for
me, it's a lot harder for me, I think than a lot of
other women, um is. And like I also like it's it's not really
as much always about skill. It's about the like give a shit, like
do you care? And like are you not asking this question? Like I
hate I want to do it. It's like, well did you finish or
like no, probably not in the room for you in the room, did
I did I finish? No? Like yeah, give him his metal.
No, I never I did. I never faked it. I never told
the guy asked if it was no, because I'm like, that's rewarding bad
behavior, even if he did make him earn it, like further on,
be like now you gotta go, gotta go harder. I'm never thinked it
ever weak. It is a waste of time, and for what no one's
getting it. Say she actually does make you get off, or if she
makes you get off, don't reward her by saying she did or he did.
But it's not. I mean, well, well that's that's I definitely
can't speak. You're not doing it. You want to make them always constantly
question themselves. That's basically I don't think I could. Like it's easy to
like pretend you did if you didn't, which I have never done. But
I think it's hard to pretend you didn't if you did. It's really hard
as he could just be like very hard as a man unless you're staying.
But like I've actually faked it before. Now you can with a condom.
You can with a condom, yeah, I see that. Yeah, and
then you run away and throw it out real quick. Oh I just fine.
I don't like to be there during the throw out process even more so.
It's definitely they're like, let me see the comp I just doesn't look
as messy as it should. I always just keep rubber cement in my hands
at all times. I just throw it. Just got a got a little
bottle of white out. He's shaken up in the back. Just I think
that is the thing I miss the least. Come honestly, Oh, well,
yeah, semen, it's not it seems like the worst part. It's
the worst part. Some people like it. Yeah, it's not every most
people don't. Like. There's a lot of people I feel like we were
like, oh, Dick's a rasshole. It's the Well, there's a fitness
influencer that actually drinks semen in her protein shake every morning. Oh that that
seems she's trying too hard. Yeah that was really good. Figure. You're
laugh now. But when she lives forever, it's fine, keep it.
I don't need to live forever. If you could live forever by drinking,
come, would you? Yes? Yeah, you just mix it in with
your we don't even taste it. Essentially what you buy your own supply.
I think I think we don't need to buy your own supply. Yeah,
you know if you had to get it from someone else. Ye, I
feel I'm sorry you buy buy your own supply. You mean like, do
you drink your own common? Yeah? Okay, every every dude, whether
they want to admit it or not, when they were like fifteen sixteen when
they're hitting people, You've drank your own comm now, but they you need
to blow themselves. They not You wouldn't try to blow yourself, but you
jerk off and you get like a little extra in your hand. There's some
point in your life like where you just kind of go like the quick lick
you did, quick lick you? Yeah, everyone's done. It really freaks
really everyone's try like when you're when you're a kid. Times, Yeah,
how was it? You gotta you had to know and not enough to make
a difference, but enough to know. I didn't want to full load in
my mouth. Honestly, maybe every guy should do it for like sympathy purposes
empathy if someone actually suggests that there's like a ryer who wrote a thing and
it's like every guy should get fucked in the ass, and so it was.
Yeah, there was like I was like a couple of years ago,
we were on Twitter blown up about it. People were just like, no,
maybe what if the guy doesn't want to too bad? Yeah, okay,
wait a minute, Yeah, we're going down a different narrative here.
Yeah. Yeah, give it up for gay guys. I guess that is
a lot of work. I would not, not for me. Some people
do like it, like not for me. People like all kinds of stuff.
Yeah, that's really, that's all kinds of stuff. Speaking of which,
despite the fact that the Greeks didn't talk regularly, didn't talk about lesbian
sex too much, women using dildo's pretty common. I know a little bit
about that. It's in Greek vase paintings. Um here, I do have
a thing for the class. Oh wow, okay, is that going to
be up on our on your Yeah, she's that's a big boy to dude.
I know a little bit about this. I don't know if you're going
to cover it, but I need to share this. That thing Actually they're
attacked by another tribe original vibrators. They like filled some kind of something with
bees to like make it vibrate, and like that was like the original vibrator.
So there's just like a insert bees part. Yeah, I don't know
how it works. They removed the same their honey bees, so you know
it must have been some kind of thing that just closed. Yeah, and
back when we had enough bees to do that, Yeah, now we can't
do We can't be wasting our bees on vibrators. Another loss for one minute
only. Yeah, yeah, that's incredible. So one thing I read I
didn't included in this because it wasn't queer specific, but it was dildos.
The bread dildos bread bread dildos, like like a loaf of bread they would
use bread. Yeah, essentially, my baggets are pretty hard. I was
gonna say, it's just a French back get Yeah, they're a hard crust
Baggett style for sure. Yeah, all puffle work on a dick loaf one
day. I really wish we had it here today. I would love some
time someone should tell me that we're gonna have a guess bread. Also,
if you make a sour dough, that's good. Probiotics there too, that's
actually great. All I'm saying is there's zone there's not enough yeast here.
Okay, okay, first the one joke joke, okay, uh, there
was one other thing interesting thing from ancient grease in Sparta, there was like
it's well known thing where like men would essentially groom boys. It was called
Erastes wrote a romanos relationships that existed with women as well. Oh I didn't
know that. Yeah, it was. It's pretty they're pretty certain about it
one hundred percent, but they're pretty. So that Spartan women essentially took up
the same sort of twenty to thirty something on teenager relationship. They were just
drake, yes, yeah, but like a lesbian drake is a lesbian,
isn't There was also like these choirs and ancient Sparta that they were like it
was like all women and they're alone. They're like, yeah, like their
chicks were definitely hooking up in that. Well. I think any environment that's
like all women for an extended period of time, there's probably some of them
that are hooking up. I think any environment, yes, any any mono
sex, I guess, mono gendered, mono sexual, whatever you want to
call it. The society that's gonna happen because people are gonna want to fuck
no matter who's around. Right, Like prison, everyone's get in prison,
which means everything I read from some guy who was in prison, and he
was like, I don't know how you could be in prison longer than five
years and not do something gay? You can't. Yeah, that's Oh,
this is a question I used to ask before I was a gay. I'm
not again before by sextual Wall officially, um, but before those days,
I would always ask people like, how long are you in prison before you're
gay? Yeah? How long? And for me, I was like,
it depends what my sentences. If I know I'm going to be there for
five years, I'm probably just giving it up like day one, finding myself
a daddy and like going for it. Bronco's like one's booking done. Like
honestly, actually, this is the question for all of you? How long?
How long before you're gay? For sure? If I knew I was
there for more than a decade, I'd probably just like yolo it from the
start, right years? Well, and the thing is still am I still
married? Like I'm even though I'm there my wife right fair? But like
if I knew I was there long enough that I was like, there's no
way this marriage lasts, right, Like if I got life, I would
for sure yellow at day just to just start like why hold, I would
interjects real quick. Yeah, I don't know how different it is between men's
and women's prisons. A lot of times in these situations, you'll really get
a choice in the matter, right, Yeah, that's that's your have a
choice in the matter. I think I'm gonna last. We're talking about a
really fun Sandals Max security. Yeah, sure, I'm gonna last ten at
least ten minutes. Okay, Yeah, so you're you're going right away too.
Yeah. I mean I think I'm taking out in the showers, So
I don't think I get a choice in the matter. Like unfortunately, Yeah,
I feel it. I'm gonna find the lucky Pierre. You're gonna be
the lucky Pierre. I feel like I've talked to Taylor about it, and
I'm like, if I'm in prison, I'm like, I'm gonna need to
sidle up next to somebody who can protect me and you know that. And
she's like, fine, like, yeah, you're right, or just go
full human centipede. Well, we don't, we can't. We can't.
I don't know why they can't. I don't know why sow yourself to someone.
Yeah, that seems like a terrible idea in prison. I mean what
else are you gonna do other than yourself a lot of eating. I don't
know, man, there's ball courts and stuff. They're like, you could
do a little sexual right, That's just somebody's fucked up thought. Human centipede.
Yeah, that has not been happened. That has not happened in real
life to my knowledge. Okay, it probably has since the movie. You
think, well, if anything, it inspired it for sure. Yeah.
Like, also, I don't know why anyone, first off, not a
centipede. There's still only like what six legs limbs or eight eight limbs.
The people on the on the back end, they're dying for sure. They're
not gonna make it either, not doing great. Front's doing fine, thriving,
front crushes, front crushes. If you have to be in the human
centipede, pick the front. You want. You want food, whatever you
want and a constant ring job. Do you want pudding? The fishhead stud?
Oh God? Ancient Rome to move ye? Their ancient Rome was a
little uh more documented with lesbians in ancient Greece. There's a famous Greek writer
during the Roman Era, but at this point that it was part of the
Roman empire Um named Lucian, who wrote a famous work called Dialogues of the
Courtesans, and he had a couple of interesting observations. He said, they
say this is where the term lesbian comes from. They say there are women
like that in Lesbos, masculine looking, but they don't want to give it
up for men. And I love that. The Latin translation is give it
up. That's awesome. We've been using that term for a while. Huh,
that will give it up. It won't put it out for men.
Instead, they can sort with women just like men. In another dialogue,
that's me, Yeah, I'm doing that. What is it? Who tell
me about the phrases? Lucian guy would be a lesbian in this one because
they're from Lesbos, wouldn't they The Lesbos is an island in the Aegean And
weren't they lesbians at Lesbos? Yeah? Well no, it just wasn't all
women island and they called Lesbos. And I think that is where the word
lesbian arrived, where maybe Amazonians were inspired by as well. I didn't really
include Amazon have anything that great in there that wasn't um, but yeah,
enough South American history out there. Um, that's me consort with a woman
just like a man. Yeah, well it's more well, oh, is
consorting with you like a man? Oh? Like a man? Would I
got I was consorting with a woman who's just like a man. No,
no, you're lesbian. History that I found doing soft core research on this,
because this is not in depth at all, is essentially like a lot
of times they'll just attribute one of the women to being like mannish, yeah
so or whatever, and through history essentially we'll get this later. There's a
lot of people who are like, yeah, it's not actually sex if there's
no penetration, and is also still believed in it's so stupid. Yeah,
it means like you can only ah, well, they do believe that you
don't need a dick to do the penetrating, but there just needs to be
some sort of phallic penetration. Okay, so fingering wouldn't be enough. Okay
wait really yeah, from what I gathered, here's the thing. It was
phrased me so beautifully at one point, and like my perception of sex like
obviously changed once I started sleeping with women. But um, like you gotta
think of sex as a whole h l e, not a whole hlle And
I think that's beautiful and correct. So it's a journey, you know.
Yeah, it's a whole journey. Trust the process. Yeah, it is
the process because nobody likes it's not the isolated act is like not what's fun
for anybody. It's the whole process anyway, And like it when you think
about it like this philosophically, it then makes the concept of virginity so stupid,
which it all it is famously is like I don't know, I don't
know, I do it makes sense to me there's value to that threshold if
you're talking about heterosexual or or maybe even like I don't know, like man
on man sex, Like there's a difference between blow and someone and and take
to me, And I've said this before, and you know, I've said
this before, and I think it's true for a lot of women that a
blow job is much more intimate to me then than yeah, you're you're completely
servicing someone in that scenario, it's so much more vulnerable. It's so much
more like intimate. And like I think, I'm sorry girls too, Like
yeah, I think, I think And then like I guess in like you
know, Italian culture and like early eighties nineties, going down on a woman
was seen as like a sign of weakness. It was. This is what
I'm saying. There was a thing actually trending on two gay. Yeah,
yeah, there was a thing trending on Twitter today. How DC. I
guess it's point in some cartoon or something or but like an adult cartoon,
not adult like porn, but adult like. It was made for adults.
Batman Harley Quinn's pussy, and DC asked to get have it removed because the
superhero wouldn't do that today. Yeah, I was look at my Twitter right
now. I think Harley Quinn famously bisexual. I don't famouslyzations, but it's
I think there's also like kind of big and like the black community too.
It's just like it's seen as a sign of weakness to go down. I'm
sorry Batman goes down on Catwoman. That makes sense. DC asked the Harley
Quinn team to remove a scene in season three where Batman goes down and cat
Woman because heroes don't do that. That was today. Do you mean the
rich billionaire doesn't go now first out the first thing. Yeah, I'm sure
he does whatever he wants. He's a billionaire. Yeah. Um god,
this is so problematic and then here's the other thing, like that's also true.
I'm pretty sure I've not checked off on this. But a movie is
rated pg thirteen if a blowjob is simulated, but are if oil sex and
a woman is simulated, wow if a blowjob because a movie also guests are
if you use the word fuck more than ones more than once on pg.
Thirteen. Right, but like they could like if there's a you know,
a girl on her knees and you see a guy like you know, not
that you see too much, but that's pg thirteen. Yeah, but if
it's for a girl, you see the guy coming up from the under the
covers, it's r and it's just like this, like I don't know this
notion of like female pleasure being taboo and it's just so so well, let
me get into that rope right here. There's another dialogue abscribed to Lucian where
two men debate over which is better, uh, guy on guy love or
heterosexuality man and woman, And they were kind of I guess and a fucking
stand still. They're like, I don't know, they're booked pretty great.
But the one guy finally kind of I guess one the argument by being like,
well we can't fuck each other much as we would like, because if
we started making like dude on dude love is legit, then soon lesbianism would
be condoned as well, and that can't happen. Ah, oh my god.
I'm like, this is just like me making you cringe for it's what
happened as you didn't you didn't write the history. It's just so like chicken
out just at actually a timelord. It's actually every account you read is just
robbed back in time. Also, coo, can you read like four more
ranch waters? I'm just out all right, d not give him more ranchwater?
Yeah, give me. It's just it just bothers me so much because
all of these things are what like give women like issues today, Like all
of this stuff, like these mindsets still hold and it's like that is a
male insecurity, Like that is what that is. And we're reaching about like
four thousand years into the past exactly, and it's like we still haven't gotten
over it, like grow up right, Like it's just I don't know,
and I feel like I am like so passionate about like women being sexual and
like always was and that's like the funny thing that is too like it would
get dudes laid more if more chicks were allowed to like it, allowed to
express their sexuality. Exactly right. But but let me ask you this.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I totally do. Coop is the goat.
Thanks cute for giving rock booze and oh okay, I'll take one. They're
not not for the table, but they're one for me. But what I
will say is that what is it you know it gets to it's laid more.
But I will say that in the backwards ass like thought process. Now
it's not a big win because yeah, it's not. I earned this.
I'm so special. Women need to pretend they don't want sex so a guy
feels good about it. Yeah, and what is that condition? Is that
condition? What is that condition? Though? It conditions people to not know
what no is? Right? Yeah, I mean was the thing in college
like which I is bad. It is bad to do the playful know or
to pretend you don't want to so that we don't know what is Yeah,
it's bad, and I mean it's bad for other women who want to say
yes or like, it's just it's bad for everybody and like it's not I
don't blame young like nineteen year old girls for feeling like they need to do
it. But it's literally bad for everybody that that's a thing. And who's
who's also like the biggest perpetrator of like slut shaming other girls females well,
and I have thoughts about this, and I I feel like girls don't support
other girls. I feel like girls who slut shame other girls. It's like
this thing like they are shaming someone for doing what they are afraid to do.
Yes, and it's like they think, in their mind, I'm playing
by the rules to make guys like me, and she's she's cheating, she's
doing the easy thing to like make them like her, and she's better at
it because yes, And they are like so mad that like you took the
easy way when they like do it right, and it's stupid, like just
fuck if you want to fuck, or just don't if you want to down,
but like and really that's the lesson you should take away. You have
to start. Fuck. That's that's actually gonna be our next T shirt,
just as fuck just fuck. Yeah. Um, I think I mean that
can be extrapolated though any kind of legislation against sexual morality to you I mean,
like look at look at aside from abortion, though those are relatively gone,
I don't know, you still have people that can't like visit I mean
maybe not anymore now, but like I know, like people can visit their
husbands and hospital that's probably gone now, but it just happened. It just
happened though, Like I mean, but what I'm saying is though that pretty
much all that legislation at this point's gone. Yeah, sure, But also,
like, for instance, how many fucking people in certain states South Carolina
do you think there are that are trying to pass further legislation or get that
back on the docket because you know, damn well they're into that ship.
But they're playing they can't they legally can. Oh no, they have to
reverse it in the Supreme Court, right, yeah, they want all rules.
Also about gay people is also this it is also what we're talking about
sexual like legislation and like morality based, like that is what it is.
And like people think, like, oh, we have gay marriage, it's
over, like we did it, Like it's not like there's still a lot
of discriminatory laws against gay people and that is all sexually based and morality based,
and like Texas, like you can still at well fire someone for being
gay and tease ye just passed. Was the the what was it the there
was one guy. I forget which judge it was. It was actually like
the funniest I brought it up to the worst way possible. Yeah, yeah,
they'll actually it was so that did get passed. So that's not a
thing anymore. So it just happened within you don't need a reason. Taylor
was deployed. Again, they're not listening to the right works that you don't
need any you don't need a reason. It's the thing in Texas that is
true. Yeah, so yes, you could disguise it as something that was.
The lawyer was like, the lawyers argus for your court assially like you
shouldn't discriminate against because the argument was you could fire someone for being gay es
actually and and the lawyer was like, you shouldn't do that because it's wrong.
But can you think that The judge was like, but since they were
already anti sex as in gender discrimination laws where it's like, you know,
you can't fire someone for doing something like doing something womanly or being a woman
or whatever. The judge was like, well, that does anything to do.
What it has to do with it is if I can't fire a woman
for blowing a guy, I can't fire a man for blowing a guy.
Yeah no, it's like the lawyer, possible to do. The lawyer was
like, well, I get and it's like, no, no, sec,
it doesn't. Sexual orientation doesn't matter. Sex matters. He's like,
I can't, I can't. I can't. I can't fire a man for
doing something that a woman would do. Like if it was it was a
very actually weirdly conservative argument, or at least conservative based on the law that
was already written, right, the general sentiment wouldn't necessarily be I guess it
was Trump pointy. He was the first one. But it was just a
really funny situation convative. If you read the text too, it's like,
well, I'm a fucking judge, first of all, Like he's he's actually
really good about putting his party behind him, right, but like it's in
a way he's almost like telling the lawyer like, I'm winning your argument here
for you, like very much made the argument. The lawyer. It was
I was cracking up when I was reading because like this happened. I would
argue though the gays. They're on quite a run right now. I don't
know, there's still some stuff out Pretty recently, Um, within the last
six months, I realized, like Taylor will have to adopt our own children,
like, which is insane and just discriminatory. Like we can be married
and like obviously cannot the old fashioned way conceive a baby together, but we
will conceive of this child together, like do every step of the way together,
and she will have to adopt our children, even if her name is
on the birth certificate. Like that's that's just fucking discrimination. State or is
that federal state? Okay, So there are some states where you, yes,
where that is not a situation. Yes, you get to get a
lot of file like, um, when you do when you go do you
shop for this? Do you get to like what do you mean do you
get like do you get like stats from the semen? There's a lot of
different Um. No, sure, I don't know. That's that's the decision.
She probably feels like a like really super personal question that like we can
talk about some other time. But the point general, do you like if
you do it, do you get like kind of do they kind of give
you a break time a kick? Actually feel this one sure. Actually just
watched um the most recent season Master of None. So there's a couple different
ways you can go about this. You can go through a pre approved donor
at a sperm bank, of course, And but if you want to pick
somebody, if you want to pick somebody that you think would be a great
say, like you're like I want someone that was six three, You're like,
Michael Phelps will get me his sperm. No, No, But like
say you want to pick a close friend that you think is a responsible person,
would be good father for your child, it costs more. It costs
more money to pick your own donor and then someone that's pre approved in a
bank, because then they have to go through the screening process of that,
Like if you're going through a clinic situation too, which can actually be it's
even more of a diversion tactic. Really, I think it's like, oh,
well, it's gonna cost a lot more money this way because we have
to screen the sperm and we have to do all this and that. It's
like, I mean, if you want to do it through like a clinic
specifically, and you want them to like help you out, but maybe I'm
totally wrong. You should probably take this one over. I don't know all
of those facts, honestly, I feel like there I imagine even if that's
true, I imagine the cost on like the back end is like going to
be different because like I'm pretty sure you have to like pay per sample for
like through that bake and like right, and if you have someone you know,
it's kind of unlimited supply. And also the someone you know stuff is
like, yeah, you don't have to go through proper channels with that.
No, you don't have to. But if you're will but um, yes,
well if you're going through IVF, you do. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, that's another thing too. Well, there's like, yeah, it
depends anyway, we don't need to talk about my birth plan. But point
being, yes, um, but she'll has to adopt because motherhood is like
determined in a state by the carrier. So even if we use her egg
and I carry, she will still have to adopt the child that her egg.
Having watched a woman carry a child, I don't necessarily disagree with how
motherhood is determined. Fine. If that's the case, though, do couples
that have a surrogate do they have to also adopt their Okay, interesting.
Wow, that's also really so that that goes for heterosexual couples. That's insane.
Yeah, that's that's fucking backwards. I think they do it because they
it makes it seem like less discriminatory, like the but yes, motherhood is
determined to through the carrier, and like thankfully like it's now in the like
and gay people had a fight for this too, that like both parents could
be on this birth certificate. And I think once gay marriage was legalized,
they retroactively were able to like add people to the birth certificate. So as
long as Taylor and I are married, both our names will be on the
birth certificate of our children. But she will still have to adopt the child
that she parented and is on the birth certificate that doesn't prove parent How much
does it cost to file for that? I don't know. Yeah, that's
something that's but it's not for me, right, yes, exactly, right,
exactly might actually help with I don't know, every office in her dress
blues, so well please for the troops, yeah exactly, Yeah, I
don't know. But yeah, so Romans had some fun words for lesbian.
Okay, lesbian wasn't the word yet. Yeah, so the first one is
might sound familiar, tribuss oh like tripping. Yes, And actually I had
to click over to this to see to make sure it was the right thing.
And Wikipedia had a great stock photo. God, I don't want to
see it. Oh that's fine. I know. It was just mostly funny.
I mean because they fully illustrated the butthole on the chick on top shore.
She's having a great I don't know, she's she's enjoying her That's the
image for trips. Tris do people do? The people know what? I
will explain this to you, um one more time. Tribbing tribbing with bees.
It's basically like try humping but what pretty much to just gin on gin
rubbing and so like people think that scissoring scissoring is like very specifically that that
like corny position where yes, and like scissoring is a subset of Yes,
scissoring is a type of tribbing. Yes, And I don't think it is
commonly practiced. Tripping I think is more commonly to practiced, Um, the
way fucking your stepmom on a balcony is not commonly not commonly practiced right,
just like that just yes, So tripping is just rubbing giants basically, right,
So true, bus was the first one. Interesting, this is my
favorite, actually, my favorite fact I learned throughout this whole thing. Okay,
another name was fricka Trix. So tricks obviously you'll you'll know from Domina
Trix. Okay, stuff like that. So that's that's part of the etymology
of that. But it roughly translates to frick it. Yes, you're right,
friction it roughly translates to one who rubs okay. So also we're talking
about tripping again essentially, Yes, yes, okay, it's more of a
fun spin on it though, I like a t yeah it with me.
Yes, I enjoyed that name the most by fire. Maybe I kind of
being like a little emolo etymology, like nerd or whatever. But I rabbit.
But yeah, I was about to say, wait, tricks cereal its
spelled trix, isn't it. Sure? Yeah? Yeah, interesting? Not
for kids. Tricks are very much not for kids. No, not for
kid. So that rabbit pedophile we did, we just can't the rabbit.
The rabbit is not the pedophile. It's everyone taking the tricks from them.
The rabbits really puritic, The rabbits really puritanical. He's just like a very
like the rabbits, a Mormon actually sit no normal yea. Tricks aren't for
kids. Yeah, and the kids are like, no, we want It's
like you're not ready. Yeah, give it a couple of years learned about
yourself, then you can see this cereal not such a silly rabbit, very
developed. Right. We opened a lot of eyes on this podcast. The
last one, which also cracknut was virago, which translates roughly to a woman
who demonstrates exemplary and heroic qualities. The word comes from the Latin basically the
same thing meaning vigorous, and veer means man or man like yeah, if
you're a man, you're heroic of course. Uh. And ago is is
essentially the generization of the word okay, ended in all yeah, yeah,
oh my god, my little varrago. Yeah exactly, she's a little raga.
You should just start calling her that and not explain it. Maybe I
will, Maybe I just will put it in your vows. I just want
to have as big of an imprint on your wedding as possible, all right,
be like, hey Varago, yes, Veronica and varrago, I made
him more about me that, yes, exactly. And then there was one
other thing called back to an old episode or Pompei graffiti episode. There was
one piece of graffiti in POMPEII where they found um uh typically like there's all
I don't know if we talked about this graffiti and Pompeii was other um reviews
of like brothels or just random thought. It was like Twitter essentially. It
sounds like bathroom stong, like for a good time city. All of Rome
was like that, not just Pompei, but any city. The bathroom was
essentially or another bathroom. The graffiti was essentially Twitter, okay, and he
random thought you had was drawn up on it. You gotta think too.
Everyone's pissing on walls half of the time anyway, so it's kind of when
they are using the best. Yeah, alright. So there was one that
they found that they believe was a woman to a woman love. They found
lots like male to female or vice versa. Yeah, but they found one
that they believe was woman a woman And this was so essentially like a love
tweet. But Roman graffiti. I wish I could hold sorry, I wish
I could hold to my neck and embrace the little arms and bear kisses on
the tender lips. Go on, doll and trust your joys to the winds.
Believe me, light is the nature of men. But they believe that
was a girl to girl love letter. Even the girl to girl love letter
has the word man in it. I think that means I think men translates
to humans. Yeah, that at that point humankind. Can I just say,
I really think that we like got it backwards and it should have been
like men meant human and human was a man and woman was a woman.
You know, like sorry, it makes sense in my head, like the
general word could be like men and then like we specify human like right for
a man like this kind of man, woman, this kind of like it
is what it makes sense. It makes more sense you just call it human
kind instead of man kind. Yeah, I think if you keep it,
But I know mine's right. I mean human. I mean I just get
a slight, a slight like Latin X vibe from that. I mean,
you know, I'm not gonna like rewrite the English language. It's just what
I think like should have happened. I think in a butterfly effect somewhere it
is the way I've just kind you want to write that's probably the same situation
that's going on with lesbian history here, where they're like yeah, guys,
yeah, dudes, yeah, anyway, that is it for the ancient times.
We have a little bit of Middle Ages to go on though, Hilly
oh oh yeah, I sho tripping. Actually it's probably terrible. Um,
typically lesbianism was way less of a concern in the Middle so kind I was
thinking considering like medieval picture a medieval right now, like we're talking like these
like pub songs and like like knights and the Crusades. I'm not that historical
because I feel like also Victorian maybe is what Victorian's not even close later Victorians
way later. Yeah, it's basically modern times Victorians like eighteen hundred. The
Victorian era ended in the twentieth century. Okay, Middle Ages bring out.
I would think like would be like seven hundred to about fourteen hundred before the
Enlightenment, right before the Renaissance in line. Okay, I'm okay, I
feel like I have a picture medieval is like basically I'm everyone's employed, everyone's
poor, everyone's like in like some random that's a bit of an anachronism.
It's not actually quite that way at all, but like yeah, yeah,
okay, what media purchase? Yes exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah,
So it wasn't that big concerned because most people were like, dude, why
would chicks want to get with each other? Like, all our penises are
rad, they don't need anything else, checks out, checks out for logic.
Yeah, like, of course we'd want to fuck each other because our
penises are rad. That's all anyone wants, because we've got rad dicks.
But like, why would chicks need anything? Remember all the girls who like
only can finish from like oral sex and like not at all from penetration.
Yeah, it's just like remember that, isn't that like a really high percent
high. It's like it's like I feel like it's it's like most Yeah yeah,
And I don't want to I don't want to belittle your gender or anything
like that, but biologically your orgasm doesn't really matter. Sure, it doesn't
serve us, it doesn't serve a purpose, but like neither does yours most
of the time. Well, you're served a part, you're served a purpose
for three months of your life while you're trying to get pregnant. When I'm
tossing it into a cave, also, it doesn't usually matter either, So
what you call your toilet. Yeah, no, which is unfortunate actually though,
because you would think there would be some like gain to like I don't
know, you would be more prone to getting pregnant if you were orgasming or
something. Yeah, I think that you might. I would conversely though too,
maybe if you know the guy save we go take it back a little
bit. The guy is known for man, he makes everyone get off.
He's probably gonna biologically spread a seed more to travel great point, but especially
in the great community. And that's that's very good, dent. We're just
sir on the board. In medieval Europe, just to just to continue this
theme, lesbian sex that didn't use a dildo or some other kind of penetraty
thing like that's still not considered full sex, which is a pretty difficul pretty
decent life act if you don't want to get burned at the steak sure,
like no, no, no, we just rubbed on each other. It's
fine, it's fine. Who us Yeah what no, we just we just
like had more orgasms than everyone in the land. Like you'd have to keep
that um. One of the funniest parts though about people not caring about lesbianism
as much, or like women hung out with women as much as as men
hung out with men. Is that the church even had a lesser punishment for
women who well, and I really only learned it from gentleman Jack. I
don't know if you've heard of this show that's on maybe Hulu. I don't
remember um, but I feel like it was maybe like a more of like
a Victorian. It was like when people are like passion Victorian. Yes,
it reminds me just like slopping in the mud. Yeah, right, so
I think it's like kind of Victorian or I don't know if there's others similar
to Victoria, right, but she is like basically convincing gentleman Jack is.
I don't remember her name. She's a real person though, and like a
big time lesbian who like landowner, like she's wealthy or whatever, and she
like kind of convinces this like older and I have that in quotes because she's
probably like what twenty three or something like woman to be like, well,
you haven't met anybody yet, and like we're kind of in love, right,
and like it's fine, like you could just like live with me,
and like they like did like a fake marriage, like ceremony whatever. But
like as she's convincing her, like don't trust me, it's fine, she's
like it's not the same as two men together trust like it is, it's
not the Bible doesn't condemn it, Like there's no punishment for it. People
show up. There's a certain subset that might be like whoa hold on,
it's a little hot. I don't and you know who was also you know
who's also working the church and like pretty and everything just kind of makeing a
little side, a little side money the brothels so you had liked and the
Madam's probably had like the most control of everybody, like it, like that
was probably the best job to have as a female. And crazy to me
how much we like condemn sex as a society and like this purity culture when
it's like that is the reason for all of the issues, Like sex is
like the most important thing. It is so important, like we aside from
poverty, yes, I would say, okay, yeah, it would go
poverty and sexual frustration one two yeah. Yeah. Imagine if everybody was a
sexual linked in a certain way, because there's one nobody wants to fuck someone
who rides the bus. Where would society be if everyone was a sexual?
Not very far? Oh a sexual? It would be really Yeah, I
guess I have to know it would be and us so somebody would save us.
Yeah, I don't think so. You think Panis are just like up
to each other steak, there's no orangutans. Like, my god, we
have to make these fu one of the aliens in Interact. Finally. Uh,
well, I you know, it's not surprising to me though, to
hear about like the puritanical approach, especially in this country, Like we are
regardless of what we want to like feel about ourselves, we were based in
a lot of puritanical shit. You know, though, Here's what I take
up. What I get a little not annoyed or anything about, but like
what I take issue with is that, Yeah, shoot on the Puritans all
you want, and you should, but like that really lets Europe off the
hook, Oh totally, because they weren't. They weren't any better fucking pan
sexual orgy that the Puritans were fleeing. I mean, what's the guy was
touring Yeah, the fiftiest. Yeah, sure of course Europe was not.
So I mean during this time, I mean, it really to me and
you might know more. I might be wrong, but it seems like the
rise of Christianity as the rise of this because obviously you're like Rome and Greece
and Egypt. I feel like they were fucking more. Yeah, so from
what I read now, they were well, like I said, like what
I read, Egypt and Greece and Rome weren't into it, like they didn't
want women to do it, and they were definitely punishments like unofficial at least
we're fucking more. Yes, for people were fucking more. And I mean
the Catholic Church of the Vatican, most popes had kids. Yeah. Really,
Oh I didn't know that, man, I can't. I can't really
comment on the fuck rates in general. What I can tell you though,
is is that even in by the time the Christianity had really taken hold of
Europe, there's only twelve confirmed cases through the Middle Ages. We're talking centuries
upon centuries yea of women who were uh there was more for men, but
for women who were convicted of being a lesbian. Essentially, Yeah, twelve
across we're talking about. And my thought is they're like women have less power.
There's like really no point it just it feels like right in my mind,
is handled that at home? Yes, and like there's just it's like
a lot of paperwork, like and for what reason? For what payoff?
Like she doesn't hold any power, like who cares? Like who's trying to
get her? There's certainly oppressed, but yeah, right, but there's no
reason to like jail her, right, like who cares? But I really
don't know, it's really it really would be some damage, okay, jonav
big time less, yeah, right, big time for sure. I don't
know. Yeah, I think she's a less for god, I don't know
that she she strikes me as as I have heard things that where she like
maybe was trans and then so I think, my right, there's a lot
of different things, which I understand because people like it's nice for me,
like I can look back and be like Julius Caesar or like nothing, but
I have a long history, like transexual people are, they don't, and
so they have to project. But historians, even like gay histories, do
caution against like I mean, you can take inspiration from them, but it's
so yes, and it's hard to saying it. And here's the thing,
the same thing, like you can't do it today. You cannot tell someone
what they are right, and we can't. We can't tell someone else what
somebody was like, we don't know my wrong? Could my parents pretty manly
fucking wars on the front line? I get less vibes from her. Sure
that's just me. I mean, what do I know? I don't.
I don't think I don't. I think it's pretty easy to figure out they're
there. They're definitely a difference between like you being like, yes, the
vibes I get and I'm going to interpret that way versus Veronica's gaydar. It's
on point. She called Kylie Jenner kend the same person. I don't appreciate
your race. Kendall has still not come out, but she does a lot
of queer bating that that Kendle jenn Remember when she came out as having acne,
Did you guys see this huge huge She like made a net like I
have an announcement. There's something I've been hiding from you guys, And then
she was like, accutane is this before or after the pepsi commercial? After?
Okay, I still think she's I think she like, here's the thing
everybody who's like best friends with Karadelavian for six months is like probably fucking fucked
Elon Musk. Sure, but she's also like fucked every woman in all.
I want to call that a straight move. I don't know what gender Elon
Musk is, but it's probably like robots. I actually was super straight,
because you you gotta really want a dick to fucking dick with that face on
it. He's got a lot of money attached too, but fuck it,
well, that's true, is by But I feel like she is more gay
than straight. Yeah, you know, I would say, yeah, but
Elon must healthy money. Was an ugly, very fun He didn't have any
hair. He wait, he has plugs for sure, as plugs, dude,
I have no idea. I'm glad I don't know that much about him,
honestly, like I do before and after, I don't need to.
Yeah, I'll just think he was a programmer. I'm gonna move on a
little bit. By the way, so we talked about we talked about lesbian
isn't being less punished. There was one, oh, one thing that was
more punished though, and that was none on none oh. I could see
you know what, that's actually fair. You agree not to find you're breaking
a vow you are cheating on a man, You're cheating on God. You're
cheating on God. That and like that was on you. You just shouldn't
have said like that. You're still standing God. I do not standing with
you, not stand God, but I stand authenticity. And you said,
like, I'm fine, I don't need to fuck anyone. Just say I
don't like dudes. Just admit it as admit it. Talk about one of
the most abusive people in history, God, God, I mean that kind
of that kind of track record. You're gonna you're gonna step out on that
man, Old Testament, that body count. I do want to reminder you
Old Testament God killed like thirty kids with a bear because he noted that at
one point in the New Testament, Jesus a tree wouldn't give him fruit,
and so he killed the tree. No would they touched Like grim Raper was
like fuck this tree. But yeah, the bear situation. But that actually
makes me like Jesus more. But actually too. God creates every single human
being and then they die, so he's he's killed everyone. We go to
heaven. No, no, not all, not until you, but we
got well, we invented God, so fuck you, all right, I
just don't really, I do not stand God. Like from everything I hear
like he's a bad guy. He's controlling, he's jealous, like he's murderous,
like he's not my guy. Don't doubt be fair, biblical God,
it is not my guy. Which one though, yawn, I think is
actually el and then it turned into l is Yeahwah's dad. Oh okay,
Yeah, it's really weird that, like no one knows we pulled yeah away
from like a very The reason why the first rule, the first commandment is
I'm the Lord by God, you shall have no other gods beside me is
because Yahweh was jealous that people were praying to his brothers. Comes before murder,
Yeah, it's before murder, everything, before anything. He's jealous.
He said, don't question me, don't have faith in If there was no
one else, you wouldn't have to say, don't believe in anyone else.
He stepped out, He's not. From everything I hear, he doesn't telling
a good guy. But that's just me. Uh. But yeah, women
got three years of penance. Girls and widows were actually judged less harshly because
the church leaders at least recognize that, like they didn't have like sex readily
available. Okay, so it was like, well they need some times,
you know, a little whippen like everyone gotta eat. Um. This was
all from Theodooras Tarsus, by the way, who was old Teddy Yeah yeah,
yeah, yeah. But there are records about a dozen medieval women,
like I said, who were involved in lesbian sex, which is not good.
Uh that there were records of them only okay because if there's records of
them, yeah, they come from the courts, sure, and they were
all either in prisoned or executed. Yeah, so medievals that's the only execution.
Then they went to prison. It's basically like prison, not not America's
prisons. What was it like then, Just like you're in a dungeon or
you're in a cage, and if you're having sex, it's non consentially with
probably some guy that looks like yeah yeah, guttural um. You know.
It's like that in Europe, though there was This isn't This is more interesting
to me. This is more actually like the real lesbianism being like a real
I don't know that, but it's a girl and girl. It's it's women
hooking up with each other women. Yeah, that's the term girl and girl
appreciate that. I'm a little rash water deep right now, so I don't
not great with the terms. Go for it. But there were two medical
situations linked to um woman women hung out with women. One was basically that
a woman started going bananas because she wasn't getting laid as much because she didn't
have a husband, and so her seed was built up inside of her.
And if you remember from our our birth control episode, this is where a
midwife would step in, okay, because midwives were kind of catch all doctors
for women. A midwife would come in and place this is a direct quote
hot on the woman and then bring her to orgasm. I love that for
her. Yeah, so I think they maybe put like a couple of heating
stones. She doesn't count as lesbianism, right, No, that was a
medical tree. That's just a friend helping another friend out. Yeah. Well,
I mean, hey, buddy, we mentioned that in the birth control
episode. I wasn't here, but like, hysteria literally comes from like his
yeah right, yeah, yes, so like that's the really, Oh we're
treating hysteria. This is medicine and it's literally like hey, fine, your
husband's won't make you come. I'll do it. Yeah, we got doctor.
Yeah, it's like it can't be my dick. She's crazy. This
reminds me of I don't know if you know about like pelvic florida's function at
all, but what pelvic florida's function. It's like a thing that is like
really underdiagnosed and like women today and I think like a lot of times makes
orgasm difficult or it can like if your pelvic floor is like too tight or
too loose. It generally can be too loose if um, like after childbirths,
and like that's the reason like people have leaky peas or whatever like um,
but it could be too tight. Actually, if you do key goals
and you have not been told by a doctor that you should do key goals,
they are bad for you, Like it will make your shit too tight.
It is like dan gets too swollen, just like that um. Anyway,
So pelvic floors function, like you can go to like a specialists and
they pretty much like go in with their fingers and like tap on the inside
of you to like loosen up your muscles. This is this fucking safe thing
still happening, but probably more medically sound. Honestly, than yeah. Actually,
and they still they prescribe like a delto for you to like take home,
and I think they call them wands and like child the medical term is
wand you think that's what it is right now, I don't know that wand
right what Hitachi? You don't know what that is? Now? What are
you putting it? Read up, bro, I got my wand from you
it's Harry Potter World. So I feel like katachi is like the most commonly
you know, like whenever you're like, oh, it's a shoulder massager,
but oh, hitachi, it's a brandy. No. I don't think they're
quiet as large as all that. But there is something, yes that if
your pelvic floor is too tight because you did too many key goals because the
patriarchy told you too uh, you have to do that to like release those
muscles. It really is not really mostly from keygals like the Patriarchy newsletter,
by the way, where like there's no such things too tight. Well it's
so problematic, but it really is. It's like you carry tend the way
you can carry attention in your back, you can carry it in your a
pelvic floor also, and like those muscles can't relax fully believe that next total
sense. They're muscles. Yeah, exactly, exactly, So some people carry
their attention there and shoulders exactly, and it makes a lot of things that
it makes orgasm deffical, like lubrications. Yeah, um, but similar you
have the s the doctor and somebody just goes in there and like just does
the ship. Yeah yeah yeah man, it's it's still happening, yeah,
still to this day, to this day. What is it? Shit,
don't change, don't change? Pussy? Do you hate that? My wife
hates that word too. I hate it colloquially. It just seems like it
should only be insects, it should only be in sex. I actually prefer
it louds. Yeah, I prefer out of sex. But don't be such
a pussy. And I know that's obviously so insects. You're just like,
let me see your cunt. Yeah, that's like, pussy's gross in sex.
I say, cunt. I don't think it's gross in sex, but
I just like it's more effective outside. It's like to me, I don't
know, I prefer a womb broom, okay, gross womb room, womb
broom. I'm all ham wallet, Okay, I hate all of these Vagina
words. I do enjoy twat. I think it's I think it's I.
We should bring twat into the repertoire a little more, like I always mean
to call people a twat and I forget, and it's very specific and useful.
It's it's so good, it really packs a punch. It's twas such
a good yea an annoying yeah, stupid person. Yeah, it's so perfect,
it's so illustrative. I love it. I love it. It's just
non sequitur. But adult is something I think we should also bring pick.
Yeah, what is it just means very stupid adults and pratt. I don't
know. I don't know. Fucking adult, fucking adult. None of them
are TI, I'll hit out, none of them are. So we have
one more little thing to get through. Okay, there is bozo. Hi,
I think boads, don't. I think the people that use bozo run
bozo. No calling somebody at Bozo's I would be way more offended if somebody
I love using like silly words for this, like saying something is um Christina
actually says that. She's like, oh, it was all caddie wampus.
So I'm like your right. It was Caddie Wampus, wasn't it. Like
I love using words like this, so sign me up, co sign on
Bozoo Buffoon. Buffoon's good sixteenth century name for a black pirate. According to
thirty Rock, probably not accurate. I can't imagine that. Yeah, don't
don't send that out on your history podcast. That's fact. Uh So there
was obviously European Middle I just felt that there was also the air world had
some thoughts on lesbians the air I sure they have some very Arab a really
in this the like hold on the pioneer in lesbians. Probably this is weird
problem from twenty twenty. Huh okay, so we're going a little bit modern
history here in the Arab world. Well, I don't know how much has
changed, but lesbians in the Air World Middle Ages interesting thoughts. And it's
funny because Arabs Arabs at the time. By the way, I didn't include
the Chinese in this because I looked, I did research on it and there
was nothing, really nothing, because you're a coward, John Cena, right,
you don't. And it's just this is how like subdued lesbian is basic
woman and woman history. Yet because there's also like woman history as subdued,
right, Like, there's not like there's much more history on men in general
than women unless a woman is a head of state or did something otherwise.
I pressed, like wildly impressed, right, like you know you've got like
Elizabeth the first Sure, yeah, there are some famous ones in there,
but like us. Yeah, so the Arabs at this time, the Middle
Ages were essentially the best at Madison and everything, like they were it.
They were one of the reasons they were more effective a lot of times during
the Crusades, where they were better at dealing with battlefield injuries and stuff like,
I mean, they were scientifically better. I want to say, actually,
like someone else talked about this, but the two worst events in human
history in terms of like nuking knowledge where the burning of the library Alexandria,
which is actually kind of debated and I don't think that's necessarily true, but
then the sack of Baghdad, the sack of bad where the streets ran red
with blood. Yeah, yeah, yes, and this affected like our knowledge
because of like some kind of Yes, the bag Dad is like one of
the oldest like institutions in the world people, So it's it's always a funny
thing. I'm not gonna get to into this, but whatever people talk about,
like, you know, like European colonialism or whatever being destructive, no
one holds a candle to Asian I guess colonial. I mean the Mongols were
fucking wild. Yeah, that was about three hundred years before. I mean
they think that the Mongolian invasion of well, the sacking of Bagdad importu.
It was the equivalent of a nuclear bomb being dropped on back right, ye
say nuclear, yeah, pucular nuclear. Clear, come on, you're you're
a nuclear guy. I can't nuclear nuclear anyway. Clear. Yeah, it's
set like their development in science and research back like fucking they never recovered from
it, railed, that city, never recovered from it. So yeah,
Arabs believed that lesbianism was caused by heat generated in a woman's labia, which
could be alleviated by friction against another woman's uh genitalia, and so like.
Essentially, there was a Muslim philosophers. Yeah, one needs one. There's
a Muslim philosopher named al Kindy. He has missing thoughts on this. He
came up with the hot labia theory, and he said the hot labia needed
to be cooled with cold friction, which I guess included another vagina. Sure
as it does. The cold. I don't know, rob, have he
touched one? Are they cold? Didn't feel didn't usually feel cold? Well
mine do, but like I feel like others I heard, yeah my girls.
Um. But al Kindy also said when a woman ejaculates during lesbian sex,
the ejaculate is cold. Makes I don't know. I don't have the
answer. What I feel like what happened was like a chick squirted. I've
not squirted. I feel like what happened as a chick squirted. And he
ran into the room like two minutes later. So it's freezy, right.
I was like, well, that's pretty cold. It's like me like an
hour old cup of coffee and like, for sure not cold. But he
is cold. I don't know if it's on your if it's on your sheets,
and you know I have not, I do not. So he said
that women female ejaculate is cold, while male ejacculte is always hot, because
he was testing the jizz right away, like right right, sure it would
be a hot coming from inside of a body. You would think they would
both be about ninety eight degree or whatever. The fuck something is temperatured when
it yeah, the same temperature as blood and breast milk, and it's probably
all the same. Yeah about that about um? And then the last thing.
The last thing was there was another that was underappreciated. I've only been
doing it all podcast, Scott, Damn, I'm walking off, get out
of here. I acknowledged that Dan now Dan quits. He likes to just
by Dan. Dan has walked away for your listeners. It's sorry he does
that sometimes it's really our guest. M. The other theory was this is
from al Kindy. It's not from al Kindy's from another Christian Arab actually named
Masso Wea. I busher that. I'm sorry. Lesbianism results from when a
nursing woman eats celery uh rocket whatever that meant. Back at that point,
I assume it's not a rocket rocket a rocket ship probably melantoe melo. I
want to say rockets like a rugula, and then bitter flowers of a bitter
orange tree. I'll do it when she eats these plants and suckle suckles her
child she gets kind of horny. Yeah, that'll do it every time,
for chicks only, for checks only. Yeah, is that that does do
it for you? Yeah? Usually? Actually I'm gonna actually I'm gonna take
all that when I get home. Ye, like Taylor. Taylor has been
getting home. Her work schedule right now is twelve to nine, so it'll
be about time for me to eat my um what was it orange? And
what you do take? Just do a line of powdered orange leaves. Okay,
yeah, and then just flood the apartment. I will do it,
you know what. I'll report back next time. And for a good measure,
rocket is a rugula? Oh yeah, rugela an orange? Is that
all I need? Do? I need all of the ingredients, which just
celery? Dude. That explains whenever I get wings. Uh, my wife
eat the celery and then not want to fuck me while I'm covered in wing
sauce. She wants to me, Yeah exactly, I knew it. I
knew it wasn't my fault. It's not your fault. It's not my fault.
She's not like, oh your gross after wings, She's like, I
only wanted the touch of a woman. Yeah, I got it. Yeah,
bitch, I just don't order celery. Bro, No, Celary,
get the rugula off the pizza. Next time I'm Yeah, next time,
I'm I'm at the fucking sports bar that my wife definitely wanted to go to
and hang out with me at. Yeah, it has sports bar celery because
I don't need my fucking wife wanted to munchbox. She's gonna fuck me later
after I eat these wings. Yeah, has nothing to do with the lack
of attention she got for five hours, Like definitely this time A Yeah,
I knew it was you knew you were Okay, like, don't bring Clary
out? Yeah, Um, well that's all I got. Anyway, Let's
get some final thoughts from around the table. We'll go to you last,
Okay, because I'm a woman, I got it. Yeah, okay,
Well, well we're a pre progressive here. We don't open doors for you.
You go last, you Yeah, okay, So it's me. Yeah,
I'm playing a reverse in card boom back to you. No, what
are your final thoughts? You don't have a reverse, So it's you that's
you. Didn't I'm uncomfy someone though, all right, I'll just say it.
Uh was what I actually assumed was going to happened. I was actually
even still like hilariously surprised that it was, like yeah, in this era
we don't get a lot of lesbians, and then then this era we also
don't really have much on lesbians, and then this era we really don't have
much of lesbias. The funniest thing I found, by the way of the
whole thing, and it wasn't from from beyond these eras, was they're like,
oh, we have this picture of two women and I was like,
oh, that's sweet. And then I like, not sweet, but I
was like, oh, that's interesting. They finally have it, like and
it was from like the eighteen nineties, I guess you could say. And
and then I kept reading and they're like, it's from the cover of a
Criminology textbook. Okay, this is and it was like a very like there
was dressed of the period, obviously, but it was like a very um
I guess, average looking lesbian couple. There was one more fam, one
more mask and everything. And I was like, oh, that's very that's
interesting because someone even took their picture. And then it was like it was
the cover of Criminology something though, oh yeah, it's Dan just doing something
that we're coming back to me. Um. Probably most of it is not
historically kept because for the longest time, there was this crazy thing that we
just didn't let women read or write. So they said that constantly in this
they're like, well, we don't know much in part because women weren't reading
or writing. Yeah, and if they were good, it wasn't on tablets.
Yeah, and they probably weren't like spreading their business like that as well.
You shouldn't know, not when it's a crime, YEA true of all
the wreck of the alphabet community, I think lesbians are the least gossipy.
Why why you fucked up? Dan? Well, of course the gay guys
are obviously the most talkative, like pointing to me no reason, wow,
tv um. I read something interesting about gossip and that like it was originally
meant it to be like basically it was only turned into like a bad thing
like gossipy, like to be misogynistic, and that it's actually like originally the
purpose of the of gossip was to like get to know your community and like
be close building, yes, and like it was not like known to be
like a negative quality until like much more recently and I don't know years or
anything. I read a Twitter threat about it, but yeah, it was
like basically to be like yeah, women suck, right, gossip, that's
bad, but it really was like women are empathetic and care about the community
and each other, like and right, yeah, that is the number one
thing I think when I think about how people go crazy about women's sports not
being in value like men's sports and stuff like that, and like, well
look, just do it does a word like No, the problem is not
that we don't value like women's athleticism. It's that we don't value like the
things that women exceed at more than men. That's exactly I talk about this.
I think about this all the time, and like, literally society's ills
are like to me, it's like we don't value things. It's not just
that we don't value women. It's that we don't value things that are deemed
feminine. And so like you can't have an empathy olympics, well exactly,
but like empathy, you can't have it. You can't measure empathy, I
think, but you, like empathy is not valued in society when like it
is one of the most valuable things to society, and it is like viewed
as a bad thing because it's like womanly honestly, and it's like it's not
I mean to me, I don't think we should necessarily always promote like what
women should take on more masculine roles, and like, obviously I'm not saying
that women can't, Like I am marrying somebody who is very masculine and like
does all these things. But like, it's not that we should promote women
being more masculine necessarily unless they want to. We shouldn't be like encouraging girls
if they're not interested in it. It's just we should value things that are
womanly. Like all these characters who are like they're badass, it's like because
they're like dudes, Like, why aren't they badass? They're just more exactly
like being girly. You should be badass too, Like why is it not
so? Anyway, what were we talking about? I didn't even lesbians.
What would you learn today, Jake? I learned some fun words learned freak
a trix is up there for me. Yeah, and don't try to spin
that into an insult. I think it's a fun word. Who would ever
spend that? It was a great one? Um cat name Strange would have
been a way cooler name than Harry Potter. Trix is actually Latin, so
was she was trying to make belitricks like belt is what's the Bella route Beautiful
Dominatrix. Yeah, her beautiful tricks wasn't hot. She was evil and dark
and mean. Yeah, but you know some jock guys, like those goth
chicks, you know, like sure, yeah, I learned that from Juno.
Anyway, that's where the rap community got it. What bitches ain't ship
at hosing tricks? Tricks? Trick was from turning a trick. All we
really know from the trick thing. You know, Rabbit was trying to save
children from sex, right, yeah, takeaway from But I also learned the
same thing that you guys did. He was the original Chris Hansen. Oh
he's like reverse Chris, Like you don't want to see where where the there's
no rainbow. That's that's the Lucky Charms guy. Anyway, Jake, what
did you learn? Yeah? Thanks, uh, well now it's gone.
No, I learned a lot. I learned that of course, women were
not written about. Like Dan said, it's just like or maybe Rob said
it said it No, I think I think that was kind I think it's
kind of the key take. It's like, oh, I think one thing
that people need to learn is like, there's only twelve people documented in This
doesn't mean they're only twelve people doing it. Yeah, I think it was
rampant. I'm sure. Well, our main theme is shit don't change.
Yeah, no, people like the fuck dude, women were fucking everyone fucks.
That's what we need to learn. People fu people and they should and
they should. You should fuck as long as they're consenting, as the only
thing. And I guess they don't know because they don't have like a comparison.
I guess the only thing I feel bad about for anyone, it's just
the general cleanliness situation of any time before post World War two. Yeah.
Sure, but I think there were less STDs back then, or were there
not. I just mean like sweat and smell, Well, you're used to
it. You don't have a reference point. Yeah, everything's basic. Right,
Um, what did I learn today? I got angrier today than I
expected. Oh, perfect, that's what I wanted. I well, only
at these things that I'm like, literally, shit don't change. I guess
this is your catchphrase. But so many of these things that I'm like,
oh, that was a problem then, and like it's a problem still,
Like we didn't even we didn't progress from something that was an issue four thousand
years ago. We prograb, but not enough. There's still a root problem.
I think we typically find that um not endearing, one of which I
anyway say reassuring. Why because you're white man? Yes? No, because
it means that it's not like, it's not antagonism, do you know what
I mean? Like someone's not out to get you. It's just dumb nature.
And I feel like that. I don't know, I like, I
don't love that argument because then it like I think that emboldens people to say,
well, it's nature that we're hateful in these ways. Well no,
not that. I just I don't mean the hate part. I just mean
the frightened part, because it means that it means to me that you can
show someone that, like if there's four thousand years of evidence that you can
be like, oh see like they were reacting stupidly. Yeah, like that
to me shows like look at like all like that's not natural. It's it's
like look at the dumb people reacting dumbly. I don't know. To me,
it's it's reassuring to know at least the patterns of human behavior. Okay,
I see what you're saying, see me, I view it as like
a definitely a pattern, but it like it's all learned and it was learned
so long ago, and it underlies society so much in such negative ways,
and it makes me so angry because like it didn't have to be and if
if four thousand years ago it was a different way, then it would be
a different way. And like it's learned from one generation to the next and
the next and next, and like we still haven't corrected these things that are
like wrong, and that is really, I don't know, disappointing to me.
Yeah, and to kind of speak to that, I think what you're
talking about too is like evolutionarily speaking, it really benefited us to categorizings quickly
and make quick assumptions to not die. We're past that, right, past
that civilization wise, but not like our individualizations caught up to where we are.
And it's straining. It's so frustrating, I mean, especially like I
mean to me, like my salience as like being a woman is a more
salient part of my identity than being bisexual. Like and when I'm hearing all
this, I'm like, I hear it is very much more like discrimination against
women over centuries and centuries than it was discrimination against homosexuality, and like that
is still but I'm saying like the discrimination was against women more than it was
against homosexuality, because it was women homosexuality that was discriminating. So it's just
like it's just so frustrating because I feel like we still feel those effects today
and like, I don't know, man, it's bucks like girls are great.
I think we should be great. I agree. I love girls to
girls. We're excited to go to your wedding, my girl and girl wedding.
Yeah, my game excited to watch me get gay married. Yeah,
I'm gonna send it to my grandpa and be like he's dead, but he'll
be watching. Yeah, well post photos on his grave side. I just
send it to the cloud. Yeah, he's the cloud that he's sitting on.
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That feels like he seems tound like a problem with me for some reason.
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