How are you doing? No, dare, It's me Tigger am dark Wing
Duck It's me Bunkers. Keep babcat a right ya did agree your favorite fibly
you design? Hold? Oh no go. My name is Jim Cummings and
welcome to tune Jim. Welcome to tune in with Jim Cummings. I'm Brennan,
dad of the four Finger Discount Network, joined right now by producer Chris.
How you doing, sir, good? How's everybody doing today? We're
doing fantastic and of course we're joined by the terror that flaps in the night
himself. He is, of course dark with no No Jim Cummings, Jim,
how are you so superb Thank you for asking my friend stay dangerous out
there? Oh wow, is here already? Chris? How exciting he is?
Yes he is. So I'm doing fantastic. Of course Dark Wings here
to discuss bonkers today. Oh wait, no, not Bunkers, We're here
to talk about Dark Ring Dark Yes, I'm not gonna lie. I think
people have been more excited for this episode than anything we've done in the past.
They just really they love themselves some Dark Wing and for good reason.
You've said in the past that. I know it's a big statement because you've
voiced so many characters in the past. The pooh Is is just an absolutely
icon pop culture. But it's dark Wing your favorite. He's way up there.
Yeah. You know people say they always say, well, what is
your favorite character? Like, you know, and the problem is it's a
good problem. But I've got a few, you know, so uh,
Poo and Tigger or if I've said this before, I forgive me, but
they're way up there. And then you know, I go kind of from
there right to dark Wing and uh, you know, Taz is in there,
Hondo Onnaka from Star Wars, Clone Wars, and Ray from Princess and
the Frog. So I've got like five or six, you know, top
top dogs there. But you know, there's no doubt about it. I
mean dark Wing is he is the terror the flaps in the night. Yeah.
What is it about him that makes him one of your favorite characters?
Well, you know, he's the Uh I'm either sorry or happy to say
he's the most like me. You know, he's very sarcastic, he's a
he's a Wisenheimer. You know, he's not the biggest guy in the world,
but you know, he could talk the biggest guy in the world,
and uh, he was just an enormous amount of fun and and I think
it was directly related to just how much freedom they gave me, you know,
to just improvise and and play and drag everybody along for the ride.
You know. Jenny McSwain, the great Jenny McSwain, she was our voice
director and to her, I mean, bless her heart, we should get
here on here too. But she said she goes, doing a dark wing
session is like riding a horse that you're you found out in the prairie and
you're trying to attain it. And Cummings has just gone out of his mind
and he's losing it. He's he's just you know, doing all this stuff
and carrying carrying on in a thousand different ways, and it was just like,
there's no telling what he's gonna say next. So everybody had to be
on this on their toes and and I think it came came across and I'm
really pleased because of Disney Plus now and it's one of their top shows and
you know, it's thirty years twenty five years old something maybe more so I'm
very proud. Yeah, I'm very proud of that. With all the improvising,
it wasn't from the get go. That wasn't I've seen the interviews where
you said you were like three or four episodes in and they realize, oh
wait, Jim's just gonna make up the catchphrase every episode. Yeah before and
then there's an iconic story tell it again, the iconic story about the spot.
Oh well, you know, there comes a point in in every script
when there's sort of a call to arms, if you will, and dark
Wings ready to go in and do some battle with the bad guy. And
uh, and he'll show up in a back alley or a balcony of an
old, abandoned movie theater and very well let on his end anyway, don't.
I have no idea where the lighting came from, but you know,
hepe you stay. I am the terror that flaps in the night. And
then there would always be a line in the middle, and the third line
would always be I am duck, weak duck, and it would be we
probably about five or six shows in and we only did like one hundred and
however many it it said, I am the terror that flaps in the night.
It doesn't matter what I'm right here, Jim's gonna say something else anyway,
I am duck, wake duck, and sou that was true when you
sold that script. How prow were you when knowing that the rot Isn't they
trust you to come up with something? Yeah? Well, the thing is
I always did their their line as written. I always always did. That
was the first take, and I'd say, can we do another take?
Do I just do another day? Sure? And you know Jenny, Jenny
would let us do another take, and inevitably they would they would choose the
second one. It would be, you know, and it was I don't
I don't want to tell this again. But the one that was rejected was
really disgusting, and so I won't say it here. How Doc, it's
not the urine story, is it. It's not that one, Yeah,
that is. It's okay. Actually the floaty had something to do with the
floating. Okay, Oh, we don't know that one. Have you ever?
Have you ever told that one before? Maybe you know it's it's you
know, I have the floaty that will not flush in the toilet bowl of
crime. You know. I was like, wait, what what did I
just say? And I said, okay, cancel that and then I made
up something else because I was like, wait a minute, I just called
myself anyway a piece of food something like that. Yeah, and that's a
and without the H. Who is you really need the H? You really
have the age? I really do? Do you want to know something?
It's a bit freaky. And I didn't plan this and only dawned on me
yesterday that we're recording this on the sixth of September your time, twenty twenty
three, thirty two years to the day that Darkwing Duck premiered. Get out,
yep to the da Let's get dangerous. Let's do it, shall we?
That's crazy. I didn't not know that. Today, thanks for that.
On Disney Channel, Darkling Dawns the Duck Part one and two premiered for
the first time, like a movie length premiered and rightly so, and rightly
so. Yeah, thirty two years ago today. There you go, two
years ago today. But let's let's just start off. Let's just start off
those so Darkwing duck. Right, those two words darkwing duck. What immediately
springs to Jim Cummings mind when you hear those words dark wing duck, what
do you think of? Oh gosh, great times, fantastic times. You
know, it was a golden in my life, that whole. I mean,
I had a couple of decades of golden moments in my life throughout the
Disney Afternoon. Uh. And and it started, I think, I want
to say, Dark Wings started as a ABC show, No became it started
on Disney. It was on the channel or you know, in the in
the Disney Afternoon lineup, this is what they used to call it. And
and then ABC said because they didn't even own Disney yet or Disney didn't known
them, or however that goes, but they said, you know, those
are doing really well. Can we have a bunch? So we made a
bunch for Saturday morning? And I remember thinking, that is so cool that
we're doing the show. We're loving it, we're having great time, everybody's
having a great time. And somebody else noticed it, noticed that this big
DV network said can we have some of those? And early around Okay,
sure, you know so the answer is always yes when they want more shows.
Yeah. So I just remember I read that apparently has started off,
and it's sort of some people are saying it is and some people saying it
wasn't. It was meant to be a spinoff of duck Tails. Do you
know the truth blind it was it a spinoff of duck Tails or not?
Because I had launch paid on there, but I believe tad Stones is coming
and said, nah, that wasn't really it was. It was its own
idea. But when he first would pitched the idea, it wasn't pitched to
you as a spinoff of duck Tails in anyway. No. No, in
fact, it wasn't even mentioned. It really wasn't even mentioned. Yeah,
it was you know tad Stone, Tad is readies Dark Wings Dad. I
always say tad Stones is Dark Wings father, and Jenny McSwain is is his
mother, and uh, you know, the voice director, and so no,
I don't know that it was at all. I just think, you
know, the only commonality was they were ducks. Yeah, okay, you
know, and they occupied you know, they occupied this name airspace. But
say can it wasn't the same as you know where the hu we do in
Louie lived yea scrugeously so you know, yeah different, yeah, absolutely,
yeah. So I don't think so you're touching on earlier that it's one of
your most beloved roles, one of your favorites. I saw an interview recently
where you said this is about seven eight years ago that you said it.
One of the reasons for that is that you feel like it was the first
character where you were able to create your own voice for it. Because you've
been winning, You've done Tigo and things like that and Taz, but this
is one of the first roles where you felt like this was you creating something.
Yes, no, that's one hundred percent rate. You know I when
I first, I mean even in Dumbo Circus when I was lying on the
lion, he was a takeoff on Timothy the Mouse from the movie Dumbo,
And so by the time Dark Wing rolled around, he was a signature character.
He was there was there were no characters excuse me, there were no
dark Wings before MOI and there never will be another one after me. Thank
you. I just wanted to get that in anyway. Uh So, uh,
yeah, he's my guy. Yeah, and I'm very very proud of
that. Yeah, and I love the guy. Did you have any input
into the capital Was he already creating, fully fleshed out and established before you
were given the role. Well, you know, you you do have input
because with Gosh I'm a notorious ad libber. Not only with the intro.
I'm the tear of the flaps in the night Winged Scurgee, you know,
but just throughout the show, I would I would throw quick little asides in
and and they kept them all and it all went toward, uh, you
know, establishing the personality that everybody came to kind of like. And so
you know, I mean it wasn't it was it official? No? But
was it definite and palpable? Yes, because you're a big fan and it's
very very comic centric this character, isn't it. Yeah? I think so.
Well, I've got all the comic books. I've got them here somewhere,
but can't let you see them because I don't want to bend the cover.
You understand, everybody out there is going, yeah that's true. Yeah,
okay, I feel you. They're behind glass. Yeah, they're behind
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Slash Jim Cummings podcast link is in the description of this show. Chris,
were you were a dark Wing fan growing up? Yeah? I was.
Yeah, I would definitely catch dark Wing. So I grew up in
Canada and we didn't have the Disney Channel. Growing up, there was no
Disney Channel in Canada. We just had it on like a free to air
station. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was called it was called the
Family Channel in Canada. And now they have the Disney Channel in Canada,
but that was just a couple of years ago they got it, and so
yeah, it was a different schedule and it wasn't as you know, like
routine, but definitely anytime dark Wing came on, I was definitely tune in.
I just felt like Darkwing was the cool one, wasn't It was like
the cool Disney show. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, I have to agree,
even if a superhero aspect to it, the super the superheroes and supervillain
just made it feel cool when you're a kid and it's an adult god.
Yeah yeah, yeah. Well it was like, you know, I was
always a big still am comic book, and this was a comic book.
It was an animated comic book. To me, I was like, okay,
oh, absolutely full speed ahead. And I think because of so many
comic references, with whether it be the names of the characters, all the
villains and things like that, when you're watching it, don't really feel like
you're watching just a kid's Disney show. You feel like you're watching a show
that all ages can enjoy, as opposed to like Tailspin. You know,
it's it's got some adult humor in it, but you feel like you're watching
a kids show or you know, Bonkers. You know it's got adult humor
in it, but it still feels like a bit of a kid show,
where the comic aspect and the dark sort of nature of Dark Ring Duck makes
it feel more adult than usual Disney animated show. Yeah, well I agree,
I absolutely agree, you know, and I think that was by design.
I think it was you know, I know, the tad Stones and
all the great writers that we worked with, they all had that sly sense
of humor, you know, and they always you know, it was like
the kids in the back of the room. We wanted to get something over
on the teacher, and so I think that's what they were doing. Like
you know, uh, Taras Bulba was a character and it was I'm going
to forget the name of it, but it was a movie with George Chakiris
and gosh Yule Brenner, and that character came from that, I mean,
and it was Taras Balba or something like that, and it was this big,
giant bad guy. But it was played by Tim Curry and I really
really enjoyed. I mean, I have great admiration for him. He's a
a great guy, a great actor. I hope he's feeling good at this
point. And you know, it was just I remember they would bring in
these people that you couldn't believe, you know, for guest roles, you
know, like Carol Channing and Tim Curry and all these people excuse me,
and and it was just a joy. Everybody kind of wanted to. You
know, Rita Marino I think was in one that might have been bonkers,
but you know, all these incredible actors they just kind of like enjoyed moonlighting
coming over and dipping their toe into animation and hanging out in this weird little
world of ours, and you know, it was great. And A Dark
Wing was a magnet for that because it kind of had an overall appeal.
It wasn't just for I mean, it was well written because it wasn't for
first graders, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and then then it's
for college kids also at the same time. Now, that was a good
trick, and I think that was one of the keys. I think it's
one of the cases of the longevity as well, because now kids on Disney,
plus everyone like myself who grew up watching it, we can still enjoy
it now as adults not feel like we're watching a corny kids show. And
my son, like my son who's five, and my daughter who's just about
to turn three, they can watch it and enjoy it for different reasons.
You know, it's just it's just funny, being silly, but I'm enjoying
the humor. I'm like, ah, I'm pretty sure Jim, we made
that lineup because I don't think of what it would have been. Yeah.
Well, every time you think that you're right, just for the record,
every time you think that you're right, that was a little too knowing that
was a little two inside. Yeah he made that up. Yeah, you
know. So, Yeah, it's just back to your point about just dark
Wing being like a comic book, you know, kind of feel show.
And Jim you mentioned, you know, he would have been one of the
guys sitting in the back of the class. One of the reasons I enjoyed
it growing up was just like he had the same kind of like energy to
me as like a Deadpool or like a Spider Man, you know how they're
so they have the quips and you know, they're little asides, and I
think that's what really made me gravitate towards it, because I just loved your
you know, I'm now learning you know that they're all made up by you.
But yeah, but that sense of humor kind of in the middle of
action is just such a It's so appealing to me and I think many other
people too. Oh. Thanks, yeah, yeah, I could remember one.
Gosh, I can't see I can't remember the name of the episode,
but it was there was this lady that was going on and on about fashion
or something, and Darker was trying to, uh save them from being ripped
off by Taurus Bulba or something or you know, you know, bush rude
or whoever it was, and uh, it's just going and another thing and
another well, thank you for sharing. And and then he just dove through
there and and it was just and I've gotten letters and people at the time
they're going, was that written thank you for sharing? Because that was kind
of a thing at the day in the in the late eighties, early nineties,
thank you for sharing. It was real touchy feely, and everybody got
that I was being sarcastic, so that made me thank you for sharing.
Shut up, okay, goodbye. You know. I think an element that
you bring to a lot of your characters too, like Chris was touching in
there with with the humor, is that you'd like to break the fourth wall.
Bonkers did a lot as well. You'd like to address the audience a
lot with your humor. I think, yeah, it's true. Yeah,
well, you know it draws them in. It's fun for me, it's
fun for everybody. And you know, I've always enjoyed doing that, and
you can't do it with every character like Winnie the Pooh and Tigger Will will
never what wall? They didn't even know there was the first wall? Yeah,
you know, much less the fourth wall. So yeah, I appreciate
that, except at the coronation. What's that? Except when Poo's at the
coronation. I feel like that breaks in a little bit. Okay, yeah,
fair enough, Yeah busted. Yeah did you guys see that? Everybody
on YouTube? Okay? Good? Yeah, yeah, I think they're breaking
the fourth wall. To breaking that fourth wall also creates this sense of inclusiveness
with with the kids watching as well. It feels like you're it's like you're
you're acknowledging that they're watching. It's like I know you're they're watching. Come
along for the ride? Yeah, well said, yeah, I agree.
Yeah, it's very true because it's it's inclusive. As we say no,
and it's gonna be said just like that as well. I'm pretty sure that's
how you have to say. It's inclusive. So you're welcome to be included
if you include me I'll include you. How's that that's fair? Right?
Exactly right. So let's get to how you became dark Wing, right,
So is it similar to what would discuss last week with with leather Head and
all in Turtles rolls? Was Was this just something that your agent pitched you
because you were already working on Tailspin and Chip and Dale at this point or
is it a case of, you know, if Jim wants a role,
he's going he's probably going to get it. Or did you still have to
go through the same genuine audition process to get dark Wing Duck. No,
I just told them to the hell up and hire me. That's what I
thought would happen. Yeah, actually, oh no, wait no, wait
I didn't say that. Wait let me let me recalibrate. Yeah, any
I was saying. I didn't say anything like that at all. No,
So what did what did your first here about? Doc? We had had
it come back? Well, I remember, you know, the audition went
out to me and every everybody else in town, and it was They actually,
oddly enough, based it a little bit off of a Daffy Duck uh
Warner Brothers episode in which he took on the roll of the Scarlet Pimpernel and
it was a one off. It was in one one Bugs Bunny short,
you know, one seven minute cartoon. But but he he dressed he the
outfit looked like dark Wing, but it was red. You know. He
had the big flowing hat and sort of a you know, slightly musketeer ish
and it had a little bit of the shadow in it, which was an
old I guess forties pulp uh, you know, a pulp fiction character.
And so they put it together and they said, well, we can't make
it red. We can't you know this and that, and this guy's white
and Daffy was black, and so they kind of you know, massaged it
a little bit and came up with that outfit that he's got on. Uh.
In fact, I think you can see it right back there. There's
a few. I'm never far from a few dark Wing everywhere, dark ways
everywhere. I mean, in case he's I feel like someone's watching me anyway.
So yeah, they just put that all together, and you know,
they they certainly didn't want it to sound you know like at that point,
Donald and Daffy Duck were the two famous ducks if you will, you know,
and Donald nobody can understand what the hell he's saying. So we couldn't
have that, could we. And then Daffy fluffer and fuck attack, you
know, with all the spitting and the this and the that, we can't
do that. So I honestly I thought, gosh, I don't think I've
ever said this before. Okay, so nobody, everybody cover your ears,
because this is stuff that nobody's ever heard before, unless I've said it before.
And and I was thinking that it would be nice to have a little
bit of the looniness of Gaffy Daffy Duck in there, but without the spit,
and you can understand what the hell he's saying, you know, because
that's always a plus when you when you're when you're doing voice over, to
let them actually know what you're saying. And and uh, you know,
because Daffy Duck and sort of like this, and dark Wink Duck is sort
of like that, and I'm sure there was no similarity in that, maybe
a little bit, but I just thought I just thought, well, let's
try that, you know, and let's see and you know, and then
see it's not just a voice I've always said. You know, people will
say, well, how do I become a voice actor. Now, it's
not that you're becoming a voice actor, you're becoming an actor who who uses
your voice? You know, it's uh, Jess Harnell said it. Uh
when when you're a voice actor, it's a small V, but it's a
capital A and uh. And that's that's the key. You know, you're
you're you're acting in character, and that's just the voice that they have.
And you know, you know, I apparently worked. It definitely worked.
You were just landing so many roles with Disney at that point in time.
Can you remember anyone else who auditioned for Dark Wing? Like, because I
don't remember with a bonk because you said, Jim Carry, Can you remember
anybody notable that went for Dark Wing? Oh? Yeah, gosh, you
know, I don't know that I was privy to it. Uh, yeah,
I'm pretty sure, Sir Lawrence Olivier, Richard Burton, who else?
Tell me? Bruce Willis definitely Bruce, Anthony Hopkins. Anthony Anthony Hopkins was
your Brenner? Your Brenner? Yeah? Oh and Meryl Street really she wouldn't.
Yeah, I kicked her ass. Yeah, so there so was it?
Was it a different process to Boggers thinks. I know with Boker's he
said, I think you're brought back maybe five times. I think five times.
So with this one, you auditioned and was it a case of what
we found out man? Or did you did you have to come back a
few times? How was the duck duck process? Yeah? I want to
say it was like three, two or three times. Yeah, because they
didn't know, you know, they were they were going back and forth to
weather and not. He would have a certain you know, and I just
thought, oh god, I'm not going to do that really, So with
the idea of giving him that lisp kind of where they yeah a little bit.
But the most important thing with him was attitude. You know. I
mean he's he has no superpowers, he's a pretty good detective. He's got
lots of gadgets. So it was more Batman than anything else, you know,
Batman with a little shadow in there. I mean, he had the
thunder Quack, he had the the you know, all the motorcycle, the
you know, the gas gun, suck gass, evil doers. And one
of my favorite things was when I don't know if I told you, but
I remember when because it went to ABC, it was very, very,
very popular, and they went, oh, jeez, can let's put this
on on on network on on Saturday, not just you know, five days
a week. And so they put it on there and a couple episodes in
I guess ABC called me in and you know, at the at the beginning
of a recording session and they go, now, we just want to make
sure you are saying suck gas evil doors, right, yeah, yeah,
yeah. I mean he's got a gas gun. It's like one of his
It's kind of a passive weapon, and that was part of the the idea.
You know, you throw you throw a rope and it wraps around them
and knocks them down. Well, they're not going to blow up and die,
right, so a gas gun knocks him out. They're not going to
be shot in the head. So they were the sort of PC you know,
user friendly weaponry, and so the gas gun was a part of it.
And they go, okay, so he's saying suck gas evil doers.
Yes, that's that's absolutely what he's saying. And they go and then they
go quiet, and they go, okay, well, do me a favorite
really hit the g on gas because suck ass evil doers just it's not the
same, And I went, all right, all right, thank you suck
ass evil, got it, got it? Got it? Ding ding ding
ding ding? Yeah, help how it sounds. It's not my fault.
Yeah, yeah, I know you have a problem with Geez apparently, so
touching back, So you said that was twenty with the idea of given dark
wing duck a lisp all the spitting like like Daffy and Donald. What is
it about duck characters? Why do they have to give them that that speech
impediment? What? What is something about that design duck? What is it
why? I don't know, it's it's not It wasn't my idea and it
lasted for ten seconds. Okay, well, no that sucks. Why do
you think they gave Daffy and Donald like both ducks the same speeching like,
what do you think that was the case? I don't know. I think
first of all, ducks don't talk, Brandon, I don't know if you
knew that that's that's Yeah, you see now that there's a there's a problem
inherent in the system. But you know, I don't know. I think
it's it's partly you know, giving it's part of giving a cartoon character a
goofy sounding voice, and it's built into the model. You know, bubba
blub bla blah bo. You know, certain characters just have to sound a
little little dim or a little too undim or whatever, and you know,
you just have to mold it to to to fit. And I just think
that that's you know, up until that point, all the all the different
characters had speech impediment. And you know, so I gave him Tigger and
said, that's all you get with you having so many lead roles. He
had Winnie the Pooh, and you had Dark Wing and you got Bunkers.
Was ever a point where everyone else in the Disney community were like, well,
Jim's going for it. Why am I bothering? He's going to get
it. Anyway, when you're for to this day, no one will audition
for anything that I'm if If he Jim's going for it's like, well,
why waste my time? You know he's going to get it? So true?
Exactly right, Yeah, it's it's a well known fact. I can't
believe you you knew that. Yeah, it's so true. Yeah. Well
yeah, I'm by the way, I'm going next year all three powerpuff Girls,
right wow? Really? Yeah, no, I just made that,
but but it sounds good if we can get that going on. They clarified
because that would have been a big headline on comicbook dot com. Okay,
okay, yeah, yeah, all three powerpuff Girls. Yeah, yes,
Beware Beware Ted before Dark Wing. Oh gosh, that's a good question.
Would he Would he have been aware of your work when creating dcs. I'm
just interested to wonder luck with a Do you think he had you when he
better? But do you think he had you in mind when he created the
dark Green dark character? Well? Do you think he had anyone? You
know? I can't I can't think that. I can't flatter myself that much.
But you know, it's very I mean I've known him for a hundred
years. You know, all the all the guys over there at Disney,
Disney Character voices and Disney TV Animation, you know, Jim Meghan, Mark
Zaslov, you know at Wexler. I could go down the list and I'm
gonna stop, Toby, I'm gonna stop because if I keep going, I'll
leave somebody out and that won't be right. But yeah, I mean we
were all it was interesting. I mean, we were all kind of in
our prime, in our thirties or you know, and uh, you know,
cable television was exploding. You know, people nowadays think it was there
forever. But when I was a little boy, there were four stations,
ABC, NBC, CBS and whatever. You know, public television was back
then, uhf and that was it. And then all of a sudden,
boom, all these cable channels opened up and they needed programming, They really
really needed programming. So Disney started cranking out you know, tail Spend,
Dark Wing, you know, Bunkers, just on and on and on,
Gummy Bears. So yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, And so you know,
I think I was a little bit of it was being at a good
place at a good time, ray placed at a ray time whatever the expression.
Also right people at the right time as well, you know, because
it wasn't just the ideas. They had to have the right people behind the
voice as well, you know, to make it work. Oh yeah,
yeah, and Raiders and the Raiders producers, animators. Yeah, no doubt
about it. You know, I've read online apparently apparently Darkwing Dark the Show
was a last minute replacement for was originally going to be a proposed reboot of
the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show. But apparently Disney didn't have the rights to the
characters. They only had the home video rights. So they went, okay,
scrap that plan. It's something different. That's where the idea for dark
Green Duck was actually born. Wow that I didn't know. Yeah, well,
Rocky and ballwinkl were there were no Disney, no no, but because
Disney owned the rights of the home video the home video, so they just
assumed they owned the rights to the characters, but they didn't once they did
some research and wait a minute, we own the home video rights for Rocky
and Bullwinkle, but not the rights to go and make new episodes of the
of the show. Gee, Ruggy, Okay, well I don't know what
to say. Yeah, but we bull a rebbit out of my head.
I could do a terrible Bullwinkle for you. Yeah, but I blessed Jude
And you're saying you're saying it early about the inspiration for the dark Green character.
Apparently it was also inspired by There was two episodes of Duck Tales and
it was called Double O Duck starring launched Pad mcquack as a secret agent,
and an episode called them the Mass Mellard with Scrooge McDuck became a mass vigilante
superhero wearing a purple uniform and a cape, and they kind of cane the
two aliments together. That's sort of another idea of where the dark Wing Duck
was. Where Tagg the inspiration for dark Win Duck as well. M Oh
yeah, yeah, definitely the scarlet pimpernel was in there. And I don't
know that launch Pad was ever going to be the hero. I mean,
I think he's born to be a sidekick. Well, in the original idea,
he actually was. So the original premise was going to be called it
was going to be called Double Low Duck, where he would be like a
James Bond esque hero agent to be launched Pad mcquack, and he was going
to be that, but it turns out again due to copyright, they didn't
own the rights to the term double that. Yeah, I didn't know that.
I didn't know the product that it was designed for, launch Pad launch
Pad was going to be Double Low Duck that was going to be launched Pad
mcquack. And then when when that failed, Tad was then tasked with the
idea right come up with a new hero, Dark Wing Duck was born and
that's where it all happened, and he thought launched. I was still going
to include launch Pad, but we'll include him as the sidekick for dark Wing,
and that's duck Wing. Duck was borne. Wow you heard it here,
folks. So it just sounds like back in the day, Disney just
didn't know what they owned and what they didn't. Yeah. Yeah, well
I remember double o Duck. I remember that coming up. Yeah, that
did not fly. And Robot Duck was another one, Robot Duck. Okay,
yeah, and that was robot not robot Duck. Oh gosh, it
was Hamilton's. It was his character, that Robot Duck when he and he
had a wheel and he was Gizmo Duck. What's it? Yeah, yeah,
gizmo. Yeah. They had the same problem, I guess. So
it was going to be originally called like a robot Duck kind of thing.
Okay, that robot Duck. Yeah wow, Okay, there you go.
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for the name Darkwing came from? Just because it sounds like a cool superhero,
is it? No? I was never Privy Diner, so it was
already called Darkwing, but I thought it was pretty cool. Yeah, oh
yeah, yeah, and I thought it was a damn fine name. King
Duck absolutely, yeah, you know, anything dark is good. How was
he originally pitched to you? So when you're creating the voice, what did
they say to you? What did they say they wanted? Then? What
did you bring yourself as well? Well, you know it was it always
had a slate batman aspect to it, a slate scarlet peppernel aspect to it,
and you know, then they threw into single Dad, you know,
which kind of gave him a whole new dimension and uh great, yeah,
oh I know, and uh and of course she she eventually you know,
Goslin, Uh, Chrissy Kavanaugh got rest her soul and eg Daily took over
the role of the Great eg Daily magnificently. But she was quiver Wing Quack
and she you know, had her little bow and arrow with suction cup arrows
on it, and it was great and and it was a really cool addition.
And she would show up on Dark Wings missions and it was like,
oh God, no, I have to protect my daughter and get the bad
guy. You know. So it was crazy. So she she was a
real interesting curveball. It was kind of brilliant. You know, Okay,
your daughter is going to show up. Wait what I'm fighting crime? No,
get home and do your homework. Oh do the dishes too, you
know. So it was it was really interesting and I think it added a
whole new layer. It was wonderful because a lot of those shows they had
that buddy aspect, didn't they Like we touched on Tailspin during our commentary recently,
where you know, Blue and Kick Cloud Kicking and things like that,
and Mowgli and Blue as well. But others thought was so interesting to have
this this superhero being a single father of a daughter. It was very It
was just I don't think it had really been done before I had it.
Uh on a Disney show anyway. Yeah, no, no, has it
been done since? I can't think of another one? It probably has,
but nothing springs to mind. But look, was that was that element to
his character? Was that? Were you aware of that when you first went
for the role? Was that something they added in later on? Were you
where he was going to be a single father? Well? Yeah, yeah
from day one? Yeah, because such an interesting you know, I had
two daughters, Yeah, and I my daughter, Olivia is the oldest,
and she got called Goslin at school. Really and you would that, yeah,
you would think. So I said, come on, is that that
patch? Because it's a busy dad. I said, no, it's not
you. You're wondering your dad's dark wink duck. Shut up. You're welcome,
you know. I mean, it's like you know, and I can
remember, you know, answering the phone, answering the door for Halloween and
the little kids were there trick or treat and I put the stuff in there,
you know, the candy in there in their little bags there and these
I remember these two little boys that were like seven and nine, and they're
sitting there looking around the house, and I said, is there anything else
I can do for you? Well? Does dark Wink Duck live here for
reels. I said, yes he does, but he's out. He's out
now protecting, protecting, you know, the Santa Rosa Valley from uh,
you know, bad guys. And he goes and the little guy goes up
to his brother goes, I told you, you, stupid booger. I
told you he lived here, you know, and I would just bust it
up. And we gave him like all the candy and thanks, and I
said stay dangerous and then went, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I hate dark ring. Yeah. Oh man, did you ever dress
up for Halloween as the characters you voiced? Are you a Halloween kind of
guy? I am a Halloween kind of guy, but no, No.
Peggy and I had the closest. Peggy and I did an amazing It was
a wedding of of what skeletons like maybe five or six years ago, remember
that. It was awesome. And we put it all over the lawn and
we went all out. She went and got all these these sort of purple
uh lights that that kind of day glow and everything. It was a wedding
complete with white chairs, people sitting in the audience, Grandpa sitting there sleep
and they're all skeletons, and it was awesome. And Jim having that Jim
had like a speaker system set up so he would do voices as trick or
treaters were coming up, Yes, and he would do like some spooky voices
or character voices or whatever. And people got such a kick out of it.
I swear there was a line like halfway around the block. Yeah,
yeah, just to come up and get some M and m's from us.
They Jim's house. So then it was Jim doing the voice. I don't
I don't know. I don't know that some people might have known some somewhere,
yeah, yeah, but I mean it was it was not your your
your uncle's Halloween house, that's for sure. What are some of you Halloween
movies or specials or things like that, because you're if you're a Halloween guy,
I love a good Halloween TV special. Look, do you have anything?
And it springs to borrow boy, So do I you know? The
original Halloween was interesting? Yeah, you know, Jamie Lee and the gang
there. And I'm not a big fan of just slasher splasher, you know,
blah blah blah. You know, I really like it's like when it
comes to movies like that. I mean, the Exorcist is way up there,
and it was all cerebral. It was all you know in your head,
and and it wasn't like boo you know, the boogey Man jumps out
of the closet or what have you. But you know, I those the
kind of the kind of movies that I like. What about The Nightmare Before
Christmas? That's one of my favorites, Like that was a hell of a
good movie. I like that movie because you can watch it twice. You
can watch it for Halloween and Christmas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're
right, that's double up on it. Or if you like me, I
just watch them up at Christmas Carol whenever I feel like it. So yeah,
that's you're a Halloween guy, which means that we can do a tuned
in Halloween special in a month or so. Oh, I'm sure I'll do
some homework and see see what I've gotten my memory voices. Yes, beware
of he chhaking strangers. You mentioned, you mentioned Christine. You mentioned Christine
before Goslin. Let's get back to Goslin. Christine. Well, let's talk
about working with Christine because she, you know, for those underwhere She also
played like Chucky Kinster and Ruggrass. She was Babe, she was Dexter and
Dexter's Labatory, but she was Goslin in the show. So let's talk about
your favorite memories of working with Christine. Oh my god, she was.
She was just a gem. She was I'm trying to think she might have
been from Utah. She was from a small town, small town girl.
She brought all of that. Yeah, she Christine Kavanaugh. She brought all
of that sort of wide I had innocence to it, and I think it
sparkled through in the character, and I, you know, it was she
was just a doll. I was crazy about her, and you know,
we were we were all just so lucky to have her. And she was
just a bright, shining light. And she, you know, she would
occasionally, you know, sneak something by Jenny, our director, and we
thought she was doing it on purpose, and then Jenny Wine here it and
she goes, no, that's that's She said, Uh, well, I
could tell you one thing. I'm not going to be going after some guy
with a maniacal laugh and and I guess the preferred pronunciation is maniacal laugh.
But she said maniacal and we all just died, you know. And and
it was it was just perfect. And she had that kind of pure sense
of putting it out there. And she she had no she wasn't worried about
looking oops, like I mispronounced something. Nope, Nope, it was it
was It was her instinct. And you know, I've got an expression instincts,
so the best thinks. And and she was just pure and she was
And I think that's what really came across in Babe too, you know,
it was that sweet heart of hers that came through what character she played?
What's that? Which one? We were just trying to confirm which characters she
played? I got her IMDb up here. Where is she from? Utah?
Christine? Oh, where is she from? I thought there was like
Wyoming she was? Where was she from? Chris is looking up now for
us? It just says she wasn't just says American. Yeah. We unfortunately
lost her several years ago, which is just a tragedy. Such a young
a. Yeah from Layton, Utah, Utah. There you go, there
you go. But yeah, I love that. I love that, you
know, she would deliberately mispronounce words because that just made it so much more
relatables a kid because it you'd watch her and when she's playing a kid,
you felt like you were watching a kid playing the role because the kid would
a kid would pronounce words incorrectly, you know, by accident. She just
knew to do that. That's that's just It's genius, really, isn't it.
Yeah? Right, it wasn't a fox pass. It was you know,
it was it was true it Did anyone else improvise? Or was it?
That? Is that mainly your stick? You know? But I guess
that is improvising in a different way. It's it's reading words differently. But
did anyone else improvise on the shows that you worked, like, particularly Dark
Wing Duck? Did anyone else improvise? Was it okay and improvise off?
Or was it just let Jim do his thing and we'll work around it.
Yeah? While I was the worst or best depending on your opinion, Uh,
you know, and gosh, I don't know, eighty eight percent seventy
percent of the time we didn't have everybody there, like for instance, I
can I can tell you this. You know, Darkwing Duck and launch Pad
mcquack. Yeah, that's the team, right, We did one show at
the same time. Wow, you and Terry did a show. Terry and
a we did a show. Out of one hundred and nine I don't even
know how many there are the interweb, the interwebs, ninety two episodes I
believe of the show. Yeah, is that what it was? Yeah,
Well, we did a show together, that's it. I wonder if,
knowing that, because you know, we've discussed bonkers in the past, how
you know you were able to sort of create this real life conversation because you
were in the same with yourself essentially right where and you've always myself, You're
always you know, the conversations when the people in the room always feel more
natural because you can bounce off of the energy. I wonder, knowing that
you weren't in the same room of Terry, if you go back and watch
the show now, whether you can sense a difference in the chemistry compared to
that of a bonker's. I wonder if you can. I'm not sure you
don't reckon And no I don't because I have thought that you know, and
and you know, I'll occasionally, you know, late night, I'll be
sitting there and I go, all right, I don't want to dark Wing,
you know, just because it's on Disney. Plus it's an easy evil
and and it's like a nice It's like revisiting an old friend, you know,
stop by something, stopping by somebody's house that you haven't seen in a
while. And uh, and I get a kick out of it. I
do. I mean, it's like, like I say, visiting an old
friend. So I don't. It doesn't it. It doesn't bother me.
It doesn't. It's not like, oh man, I should have this or
should have that, should have you know, because I believe I don't leave
anything in the locker room. I bring it all, you know, I
I treat everything. Every single session is the super Bowl for me. I
don't know any other way. Yeah, I mean, regardless, Yeah,
it just doesn't matter. It has to be that way. So when you
go back and watch those old shows, like I said, Late Night you
on a dark Queen, does it make you want to pick up the phone
and just give Terry a cole? Did you get nostalgic like that for it?
Uh? Yeah, Well I haven't seen him in a couple of years,
but it's always great to see him, you know. And you know,
we have a pretty good Bond, you know, he and Katie Lee
and you know the various people that are you know, God blessed still Yeah,
sure, yeah, yeah, I haven't seen Dan in a few years.
But but yeah, obviously, so he played your psychic So yeah,
that's that's incredible to think that. So why was that? Was it just
he lived in different cities? Like why was Terry not around to be in
the studio? Yeah, he actually had a radio show and Rancisco, so
he couldn't morning I think it was Morning Drive, And it was literally kind
of impossible to get him here. You know, We're doing a show at
two in the afternoon and he gets off the air at one you know something,
you know, you know what I mean, something like that, and
it just it was n We just couldn't didn't work. So was it a
case of you're a voice actor? Right first and foremost? Was Terry Moore
a radio guy who did some voice acting. That sounds about right. Yeah,
that's saying it's a bad thing, but you know, like your your
job was voice actor. No, no, no, no, there was
certainly nothing bad about it, that's that's for sure. But yeah, that
I would buy that. That sounds about right for people who may not know
who Terry is. Besides launch Pad for me, I was remember who as
the guy who yells at Robin Williams at the beginning of Missus Doubt Fire.
Have you seen Missus Doubtfire? Oh you're sure? Yeah? So in the
opening scene, Chris, you've seen Missus Doubt for I'm assuming Chris, yeah,
yeah. In the opening scene where Daniel play with Robin Williams is improvising
the bird coughing on the cigarette and he's saying we can't have a children's cartoon
promoting smoking, blah blah blah, and the director says, Daniel, you
know what are you doing? You've got to say what's on the in the
script? Well, that's Terry MC. That's Terry telling off Robin Williams in
the opening scene. Now Missus Doubt Fire. M well, someone had to
straighten him marked. Did you have moments like that? Though, like he
Missus Doubtfight, there he's he's not unimpressed with what the character is doing for
a kids show. Did you ever have moments where you went this character wouldn't
do this or b should we really be doing this on a kids show?
Did you have a moment where you sort of questioned what was being put out
the what you're being what was being asked of you? Well, I told
you the sucker ass evil doer line, right, I mean we've covered that,
right, so yeah, yeah, okay, no, but this thing
between like like trying to sneak in a little naughty weight here and there,
but like, you know, promoting smoking, for example, like things like
that, where's the line for you? You know? No, while there
was certainly nothing even remotely close to smoking when you have Disney over you,
I have every cigarette I've ever smoked in my life. It may yeah,
yeah, that's that's how many I've smoked. And you know, because I
always knew, and it's not that I'm particularly virtuous. I just thought it
stunk. Yeah, I just thought my dad smoke, God rest his soul.
And I know, okay, that stinks. Why are you doing that
again? You know, how much fun could it be? It stinks,
you know, so very childish, but I'm sure better for my health overall.
But what was the question, Sorry, it was just about did you
have did you have a moment where you went I'm not so sure about this
being in a kid's show, but obviously Disney, Disney as your overseers.
I'm pretty sure Disney would have made sure nothing that they got through anyway,
Yeah, yeah, you know. I Uh. In fact, I I
have to say there were there were certain certain little shorts that I've done for
Disney over the years. And don't tell anybody this, but there were there
was a thing called, oh Gosh to Disney blah blah blah. Anyway,
it was these two coyotes or whatever, and they there was they were trying
to just discover who's who's who dropped this box or who who wasn't And oh,
we went back, wait did you drop this early? And no,
and I said, well it ain't mine. It must be Urine. The
your story, Yeah, the Urine story. And and and they they they
went to production, they went, they went all the way through and it
was this close to airing and they go, wait a minute, did you
say urine? And I said I might, did you know? And uh
And they go, well, you can't say urine. And I said,
well, it was kind of like saying yours, but he's a hillbilly.
And they go, okay, well then say yours. And I'm going all
right, fine, So I went all right, it ain't mine, it
must be yours, and so they won. You know, I tried to
get Urine in America. Sorry, Canada, we we all you know,
what can I say? Jesus? I want to talk about the villains of
Dark Quen Duck because there are a lot of them, A lot of people
have. It's kind of like Ninja Turtles now Ninja Turtles. We discussed last
week how they've got all these villains that might appear one or two episodes or
people just they hang on to them, but they just they love the villains
of Dark Quen duckfot is so memorable. But the key ones were like Mega
volt. Let's talk about Mega Voult. Dan Castellanetta, right, oh yeah.
Obviously he was working on The Simpsons at the same time, because the
Simpsons started an eighty nine. Yeah I think they had started yeah yeah,
yeah, so when I understand they did well with it. Yeah yeah,
I think it's still going. Actually I think it sims to maybe so yeah,
a little bit. So when Dan comes in, So did you work
in the studio with Dan or was he remote as well? No, No,
we're there. You know, everybody that lived around Eli, you know,
we don't come into the studio. So what tell us about this?
Obviously I'm a huge Simpsons fan. You know, I'll meet up this podcast.
So what's it like? I'm a huge dand fan. He's a great
guy, funny as hell, you know, and we did Tears Me Together
too, and Earth were in gym together too. Uh So he's uh,
you know, I mean he's so gifted, he's Ah. It was interesting
because he did Mega Volt was a combination of Gene Wilder and a little bit
of God, I can't I can't really put my finger on it, but
Charles Nelson Riley maybe, but it was, Oh, that is so like
you you know he uh, it was just a takeoff on mostly Gene Wilder,
and I thought it was brilliant because he was so frustrated. Like if
you saw the producers, the original producers was Zero Mastelle and Jeane Wilder.
You know. He uh, Jean's character needed his blanket and he had to
have a blanket, you know, And and Dan kind of brought that urgency,
that need neediness to the character and it was really cool as hell.
It was funny as hell, and you know, the two personalities played off
against each other, so well, you know, and he's he's the man,
but the talented that has brought such an energy to these to these Disney
shows. Like we were discussing Ninja Turtles last week, could you sense the
difference between making a Ninja Turtle show and these Disney shows? Because Ninja Turtles
like that, you know, it was a hit, but you know you're
saying bonga and things like that, where this one felt like you were making
a show for adults right when you're making Dark when Duck. Yeah, no,
I agree, Yeah, it was very much so. You know,
in fact, we prided ourselves on that, on being able to entertain mom
and dad and the kids. Yep, you know that that had that was
literally in the Bible, you know, so you know, I'm glad it
worked. Is that Where is that where the desire to improvise stemmed from wanting
to make sure that's or is it just is it just who you are?
Yeah? It's just who I am? Yeah, because Dan Dan's very is
great improvising as well, isn't it. Oh god, yeah, yeah,
he was great and he was on you know the Tasmania show. He was
you know, he played any number of characters in that show. And uh,
he's just a karmic genius, you know, and a voice artist,
so you know, more power to him. Need to getting hooked up on
some seasons gigs. Yeah, yeah, I did a Simpsons. Yeah you
did that. You are a horse. I was a horse. That's where
we originally, you know, that's where it all started talking about. But
also Michael Bell he played quacker Jack and Tino he played bush Root. Already
discussed bush Root when we did that commentary. But you know, you know,
Jack Angel and Tim carry already covered. It's just incredible, an incredible
roster of talent. Oh god. Yeah. Yeah, Well Michael's a good
buddy and I'll see him every now and then it conventions. Yeah and uh
and he's still going strong and yeah, very very true. Quacker Jack was
one of my favorites. Yeah, because he was going to ask you what
were some of your favorite what was some of your favorite villains? Like can
you remember the sides of the villains? Sure? Yeah, I mean well
Tim Curry very much, so Taras Bulba, and you know, I have
a soft soft spot for Tino and Sanna. You know, he was kind
of had a John Candy vibe to him, you know, which is a
beautiful guy, and I mean, gosh, bush Root, you know.
Uh, And and don't forget I was my worst enemy. Yes, I
was Nega Duck. Yeah, so yeah, Nega Duck. You know.
It was kind of like dark Wing with a bass amplifier on his on his
voice. I guess at a lot of talks played a bit how you played
the two main roles in Bonkers, but you know you were the hero and
the villain in dark Wing Duck as well, Yeah, that's the hero.
How fun was that a lot of fun? Because I could play well,
I always knew what I was going to say as the other guy, and
so I could pre pre established what how pissed off I was going to be
or how righteous I was going to be, And you know it was great.
You know I knew what was coming because it was coming from me.
Did you used to say, is what you did with with Lucky and Bonkers?
You would pre record it and then talk over the top. No,
actually no, on that one, I didn't. And uh, dark Wing
came before, I believe, so yeah, you know, it hadn't even
hadn't even occurred to me to do that. And it's not like they were
partners, you know, the way Lucky and Bonkers were, you know they
were occasionally you know, Nega Duck was occasionally in there and so and if
anybody could tell me which cartoon comic book character Negaduc's color scheme for his uniform
was, I think they should send it in and tell us, yes,
who where have you seen this color scheme before? In which comic book character?
The first person ads correctly, Jim, we'll give you a shout out
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when Jim was renee the names, and I'm thinking, when I was putting
this list together for him, I like, do I write this that phonetically
or do I do I create a challenge for him? Yes, the challenge.
It was a challenge and I did it with that I did it without
most spectacles. Yeah, you did it great, Probably did not did not
help. It's what's funny is the ones I thought you would mess up,
you didn't, and the easy ones some of them you did. I was
like, okay, whatever, ye like, who is this Joe Smith Smith?
No, that can't be raped, genuine Jed. No one's name Jed.
Oh wait, mister Claimpett Sorry yes, yeah, Well, thank you
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so far. Now, we've had a lot of questions come through on a
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though, Jim, A couple of things I want to touch on.
So people did ask about about They wanted your thoughts on the Duck Tails reboot
that included Darkwing Duck, which you weren't the voice of right, So what
were your thoughts on Did you see it? Did you see dark Queen Duck
reappearing on? Well? I wasn't. I wasn't I was. I think
it was Greg Mallard. Yeah, you know, people have asked me about
that before. My problem was I couldn't quite the storyline didn't really work for
me. I hope no one heard that. Just kidding, I help everyone
heard that, But no, it was interesting. You know, it's I
don't know how you how you do a reboot that doesn't reboot. It's pretty
much that simple. Although I guess that's not really a reboot. It was
an homage. It was a I'm not a hundred percent sure a new audience,
Yeah, for a new audience. And you know what's interesting is,
you know, I think I might have said this before, h With certain
of my characters Darkwing, uh first among them, I improvised so much that
I'm not a hundred percent sure that you know, writing for a character that
no one has written for except the guy doing it is all that easy,
you know, so you know the writer what you do. Yeah, yeah,
well, you know, a lot of the writers, they they were
grateful. They were like, oh man, I didn't know I wrote that
well, and it was just because I always do everything is written and like
I said before, and then I'll just do one as as a lark.
And a lot of times they used the lark because it's a little more whimsical.
That's in the moment, and you know, and I'm very grateful,
you know, I don't I don't make bones about it. I'm not you
know, saying I'm Shakespeare, that's for sure. But Christmas, I don't
know. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, there you go. That's
right. Yeah. But a lot of people as rumors everywhere online. It's
been gone for a long time to have they're getting more and more hated lately.
A Dark Green Duck reboot. Apparently you got any news on that?
Stay tuned two ohs, I didn't hear any. Yeah that kind of yeah,
you know, if it happens, I will be there, I really
hope. Unless they get you know, Joe Smith to do it. Can
you imagine they still Dark Quen Duck reboot and didn't include the original dark Quen
Duck. I'm pretty sure the hashtag Twitter fanfare would not be impressed. Yeah,
yeah, oh yeah, yeah, public outcry to bring Jim back.
That this is the thing, you know, the character has been so beloved
for thirty years as one person. Why change it? Why? Why would
you change it? Now? You wouldn't be madness. Yeah. And if
you're going said and if you're going to continue the show on, I hope
it's not a reimagining, you know what they want to reboot, continue the
show on. But the show is now readily available on Disney Plus. Just
just continue the show on as it was, don't change it, just keep
it going. That's that's what people want. If people are enjoying Dark Quen,
that's the point where you think it's worth doing more, then just do
more. Remake it. Yeah, No, I agree with you. I
agree with you. Yeah. And we're all still around, We're all we're
still here, live and kicking, you know, Katie Lee E. G.
Daley, who I'm going to be speaking with in in a few minutes.
Terry mcgoverns and ready to kick but let's make it happen. All the
people behind that show. You know who you are, we know you're listening.
Make it who you are now. Of course, there's plenty of other
things we could cover here with dark En Duck, whether it be the video
games, which I know you love talking about, Jim, the comic books
as well, we're not gonna be having we haven't got aten time to talk
about those today. We're gonna be doing those on a future show. But
the reason we're saving those for a future show, particularly the comics, is
we're going to be getting several of the writers and animators from the comics on
the show, the artist to talk about the comics themselves as well with Jim,
Chris and myself. So it's very very exciting a future episode as well.
They've contact us all on Twitter and we're going to make that happen.
It's going to be very exciting. But before we go, one more thing,
Chris, you're usually on top of all this, so I'm shimming you
already know. Did you know that there was actually a band episode of dark
Ring Duck. I did? I did know that, And do you want
it? I'll let you take it away to explain what what's going on here?
What episode is that? Because it's still actually banned on Disney Plus you're
still that's right, Yeah, yep, yep, yep, it is so.
I believe it was in the third season, an episode called Hot Spells.
Yeah. Yeah, if if my research is correct, it was taken
off the air because it kind of conflicted with Christianity and it featured featured the
devil? Is that sent into Haydes? Yeah, yes, so the devil
had appeared on a previous episode, but in this one here he gets Goslin
to perform dark magic, which was very no, no, apparently right right
right right. I can't agree more as her father. And do you remember
anything about that, Jim, Yeah, yeah I do. And and it
was very sting at the time when we're recording it, and I was going,
oh, okay, well this will play well and you know Amish Town
or you know the at the Vatican, uh, and so uh, we'll
see what happens here, and you know it was it was. It was
a time of innovation and adventure and and skating along the edge, skating on
thin ice. I guess and uh, I remember, and I've seen it.
Gosh, it's been years. But it looks good. You know,
Satan looked good. Uh nice, nice red tones, had beautiful horns,
yeah, Marty Ingles, so right, yeah, and well see I think
that's part part of the problem because Marty Ingles was Satan, so you know,
God rest his soul. But yeah, I'd forgotten that and it was
and the think of it, it's so silly, is that. My thought
at the time was that it was so silly that you had to work to
take offense at it. You couldn't take it seriously. Yeah, yeah,
you couldn't. Yeah, it's like you can't really really you're taking this offense
at this because yeah, and one of the fascinating things to me about like
especially about band episodes and things of that nature, is how it's still banned.
And you know, I've seen a few other cartoons on Disney Plus and
I'm a big fan of you know, sometimes you see a little disclaimer,
you know, like times change, cultures change, you know, especially when
we're going back thirty forty years, and I think it's better like for the
culture and for an educational purpose, just to like, you know, have
that little disclaimer. You know, things have changed, attitudes have changed.
This is how originally was. But we're not necessarily endorsing this anymore. But
here see it in his original format, rather than just censoring it and acting
like it never existed. That's my person, don't you. Yeah, don't
delete history, just acknowledge history is different to what it is now. Yeah.
Yeah, no, I agree. I think that's a perfect position.
I because it happens when I agree with the book in the Jungle Book has
got the disclaimer at the start, or Aladdin's got the disclaimer at the start,
which you can't skip over. You have to watch it for like ten
seconds or whatever, which is fine. I understand why it's there, but
because we did what was it was a book? Because that had some band
episodes about that. It was terrorism, wasn't it. Yeah, but they're
still available on Disney Plus. But this one here, no, still not
available. Yeah, good and believe it. But if you're a bit of
a pirate like myself, you can go on YouTube and source it. Yes,
excellent, Yes, well please do in that case. So if you
do want to watch Hot Spells the Dark Green Duck Band episode that is available
right now on YouTube, you'll I might put them, actually I won't put
link might get in trouble, but you can find it. Just just look
for it on YouTube. It's out. Go ahead, throw it up.
I don't think anybody's going to care. Maybe we'll do an audio commentary on
it for Patriot if it's available. It's available. Alrighty, al right,
Well, is there anything else, Chris you want to do? You want
to discuss before we let Jim go and dark Wing Duck go. There's one
last really short thing and it was just more about a commentary on the fandom
of dark Wing Duck and every convention I go to, I swear the fans
of dark Wing has the absolute best cause plays. Like I've seen some of
the best costumes, whether it be dark Wing like mixed with Batman, one
of my favorites. I saw a dark Wing Mandalorian and I have a picture
of that. You know, we can put this stuff in the video.
They mentioned it too, and it's so good and they Yeah, dark Wing,
by far, of all your characters, they have the best cause plays.
The poo is a lot of what do they call it bounding? Bounding
when they just kind of dress in the colors, Yeah, where it's the
colors and they not have two little ears. Yeah, but dark Wing,
Like, I've seen some super elaborate costumes and every time it's always to me
the best. Yeah, dark Wing Alorean was the Mandel you know that was
like, are you kidding me? This is great? Yeah, I'm a
picture of it. We can throw it up on Yeah. So if you
are a Cause player right there, who's done that sending your pitches, well,
we'll get Jim to post on the social media because I'm excited to see
these Mandalorian and dark Wing that sounds mood too or anything or just dark Wing
and dark Wing any dark Wing duck yeah cause plays. Send it all through.
We'll put a big collash together and we'll wack it up on our social
media. If you want to be Jim Cummings social media famous, send it
through Gim Cumings Podcasts at gmail dot com. Right. Well, you know,
The Road del Dorado was one of my movies. I always liked it
and I had these guys coming I played Cortez and the Road del Doorrado and
you know, you know, o god, I'm gonna forget the names of
the two guys that's that started it, but they it was Tulio and Julio,
not tu Leo and Julio. Anyway, it was Kevin Klein and kind
of kind of Kevin Brenner, and these two guys were incredible. They came
up and they acted like I was Cortez, you know, because I was
the sort of Orson Wells bad guy in that show. And we put it
out there and it was a sensation, mini sensation, just like years ago
on YouTube. I'm sure it's dead now, but it's fun to be the
bad guy, you know, every now and then. So, hey,
did dark Wing always have Were you always going to be naked Duck on the
show or was that something that you are still peaceful? No? No,
they just said, you know, we want him to sound like dark Wing
only if he went to the dark side. Yeah. So when you auditioned
for the role, you were auditioning for both essentially. Yeah, well,
Naga Duck wasn't there yet. It was Darkwing only. Yeah. Yeah.
And then like a year later they said, well let's do the it yeah
of of you know, whatever whatever that would be. You know, so
he was negga Duck. So there we go. This has been fun,
isn't it. Chris going I feel like dark Ring Duck is the besides,
what do I feel like Dark Ring Duck is like the pinnacle for Jim.
Don't you think it's the one that everyone that seems to the most right.
Yeah, this definitely created the most buzz on social media. So don't forget,
guys, We've got plenty more Dark Ring Duck episodes of the podcast coming
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So far, we've done Duck, Wing, Dark Bonkers, and tail Spin,
and I'm hoping the next one we're going to be the patrons get the
vote. It's going to be goof Trips. I'm looking forward to going back
and revisiting goof Troop as well Troupe. Yeah, make sure goof Troop.
I really want to hear some more Pete please. I wanted to. Will
dare you go? And if you want to get in touch, like I
said, contact us Jim Cummings Podcast at gmail dot com. Thank you all
again for listening, Absolute Champions, Thank you, Chris for joining us once
again. Thank you, thank you, thank you Jim And of course one
more final question, does Duck Win Duck have any final words for all those
amazing listeners out there. Yes, let's get toterous, but do it safely